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HBO’s Recounting of the Gore-Bush Mess In Florida!! How Vote The Critics On RECOUNT??
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A look at the controversial presidential balloting in Florida during the 2000 Gore-Bush contest, “Recount” was written by actor Danny Strong, who played Nerd of Doom Jonathan Levinson on “Buffy The Vampire Slayer” and Paris Gellar’s journalist boyfriend Doyle on “Gilmore Girls.” Sydney Pollack (“The Electric Horseman,” “Tootsie”) was originally going to direct it, but it ultimately came to be helmed by Jay Roach (the “Austin Powers” and “Meet The Parents” movies).
The cast includes Kevin Spacey, Denis Leary, John Hurt, Tom Wilkinson, Bruce McGill, regular Christopher Guest players Ed Begley Jr. and Bob Balaban, and Laura Dern as Florida secretary of state Katherine Harris.
Entertainment Weekly gives it an “A-minus” and says:
… With an extremely clever script by debut screenwriter Danny Strong, Recount introduces a landslide of facts with sweaty grace, intertwining scripted scenes with actual broadcast-news clips. Anytime a moment feels overblown — like the choreographed carnival of protesters outside the Florida Supreme Court recount proceeding — up flashes some vintage CNN to remind us that the atmosphere actually was that insane. (Remember the ''Surrender Gorethy'' airplane banner?) …
TV Guide says:
… crisply told, colorfully acted Recount wants to be both legal thriller and nightmare farce …
The Wall Street Journal says:
… Even viewers who had thought they never wanted to hear about a dimpled chad again will find that "Recount" moves along at a satisfying clip and can make the old drama and suspense seem surprisingly fresh. …
The New York Times says:
… astute and deliciously engrossing …
The Los Angeles Times says:
… "Recount" may be the best political movie since "All the President's Men." With an outstanding cast and finely tuned script, "Recount" not only transcends all its potential problems, it also captures both the grim party politics, the strange collision of personalities and the obsessive heroics of a moment that was, for better or worse, unlike any other. …
The Washington Post says:
… an electrifying slapstick tragedy about a mad moment in American politics, a moment that must never happen again but easily could. … Writer Danny Strong tells the story with enviable skill and artful urgency. He makes such a good case for the seriousness of the situation -- even though it is laced with self-satirizing farce -- that some viewers might want to ask him, "Where were you eight years ago?" The film would have had a perhaps more practical, tangible effect if done closer to the time of the imbroglio depicted. ...
The Chicago Tribune says:
… intermittently compelling … Amazingly enough, the film's almost cruel depiction of her could actually inspire a bit of sympathy for Florida's former secretary of state, the imperious, much mocked and makeup-caked Kathleen Harris. …
The San Francisco Chronicle says:
… Though everybody knows that Republican George W. Bush won the presidency in 2000 by defeating Democrat Al Gore in a hotly contested election, "Recount" manages to keep the suspense taut throughout. … Dern's portrayal is outrageously funny and will no doubt seem painfully (and impressively) spot on to Democrats, but ultimately it plays more like the best "Saturday Night Live" spoof ever in the Harris oeuvre.
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:
… entertaining … there's no suspense about the outcome, but following the twisted, oftentimes maddening journey to that point is filled with tension and dark humor. …
The Boston Globe says:
… just doesn't manage to make a compelling narrative out of the 2000 fiasco …
Variety says:
… Smart, star-studded and anchored by another fine-tuned performance from Kevin Spacey, "Recount" finds the sweet spot between theatrical fare and TV that's precisely the constituency HBO wants to reach -- a bracing tonic for the pay net's battered "It's not TV" slogan. …
The Hollywood Reporter says:
… has well-written characters, first-class acting and confident directing, which produces a level of tension and suspense you wouldn’t expect in a story about a widely reported recent event. …
9 p.m. Sunday. HBO.
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...Bush won, so who gives a shit about this?!?!? It's like watching Titanic in 1922
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Herc wants in on the old political insanity TB craziness that is normally the reservce of just Harry adn Mori...
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Oh who cares?
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I blame this here special butterfly keyboard...
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...can be blamed on these thugs that stole the 2000 election. Never again!
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So tape it, torrent it to the harddrive, whatever, and wait until 2078 to watch the damn thing. Can't you just be glad that something sounds like it's, at the least, well written and interesting from the sound of it, it could have been some real lame shit. I mean Moses didn't come down from the mountain carrying a stone tablet that says to post on the internet and converse anonymously with strangers you MUST be an asshole at all times unless when excited by Batman or whatever.
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D- for originality.
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they posted an article of a television movie that hadn't aired yet, and since no one had seen it, they could only discuss the subject metter instead?My all time favorite potato chips were the Eagle brand hawaiian kettle variety, but they don't make those any more. Kay's has a good selection of kettle style chips including a sweet Hawaiian and a cracked black pepper and sea salt. Kettle chips hold up well to firm dips like cottage cheese or guacamole.I used to like Jolt cola but now that I'm diabetic Pepsi Max does it for me.
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Jays, not Kays.
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I'm tickled by this whole idea of "maneuvering". Remember, HBO produces material to get watched, not to engage in political debate. A movie about the Florida recount is a LOT more interesting in the midst of election season than it would be otherwise. No conspiracy theory necessary.
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if you want to slam Herc for including this in the TV news, consider the fact that Buffy alum Danny Strong wrote the script. So maybe it's just another example of the, how do you Herc-haters put it? Oh yeah, "sucking off Joss Whedon." (Sorry Herc, I just thought their irrational hatred should be more well-informed)
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And what is America? Why I don't know! What is the constitution? I don't know! What is the rule of law? Don't know! But love that Bush!
Bush: the President for people who "love" America, but don't know what America is.™ -
but you are ignorant of history "the retro politically-correct recasting of Abigail Adams"...if you didnt know this, visitors to the white house during the adams presidency referred to abigail as "mrs president"...she was indeed his closest advisor, and if you read both of their letters, she was his intellectual equal...as for disenfranchising voters from michigan and florida, why dont you let the dems handle it...there are rules in primaries, and florida and mich chose to supercede those rules...and the fuckin wingnuts in indiana and on the supreme court continue to work to disenfranchise voters with the voter id law...a law that has no basis as there is no evidence of massive voter fraud...it was created by the fucking repugs to keep dems from the voting booths...with the help of a criminal court in washington, the election of 2000 was stolen...try and get alito to discuss the case...he wont....that fucker should be impeached...and i am glad hbo is showing this, to remind everyone as to how the war criminal bush got into office in the first place...with the help of jackbooted thugs
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From what I understand it's the Harris figure that gets played for most laughs and is pretty mercilessly sent up. Certainly the visual resemblance is there but it depends if they are too heavy handed or not. Worth a watch though by the sound of it.
Why should AICN ignore anything Political on the small or large screen ? Out of, what... Deference, Squeamishness ? There's plenty of stories that aren't directly or overtly political. Click on them. -
a lot of the filming for this show was filmed in Jacksonville Florida, with exterior location shots being added from Miami and Tallahassee, was lucky enough to have a buffy sing along come to town before fox banned them, and danny and production crew stopped by to recruit extras.. he was a great guy as he flew in from miami late but took the time to walk down the line waiting to go in, talk to everyone of us and personally invite us to show up as extras, I had just started a new job and couldn't be one, but several of my friends did, have seen one of them in the trailer..
as for Bacci guy, well, great name, why do you find it odd Alito won't discuss the case, he wasn't on the supreme court then, Scalia has discussed his thoughts at length on the matter, and you can scream about stolen elections all you want, but can I ask why you think the votes should be counted by democratic election workers one way in democratic heavy counties but differently in the rest of florida, including the heavily Republican counties? also I'm betting the movie does not cover nbc calling the vote off too early and all the people in the panhandle (central time zone) who didn't vote because they were told they're votes wouldn't matter, (check the 2000 to 2004 numbers by county, the disparity is in the panhandle, which is more republican) Also voter id is not disenfranchisement, theres enough history of voter fraud in the us where Unions and political machines send the same people to multiple disticts to vote again and again, or the dead outvoting the living in chicago that anyone who denies a need to stop that tampering is only hoping to use those techniques to boost his own parties votes. State ids are free, no cost, efforts are made to provide availability. legally in many states you HAVE to have id if your out of your house, why not ask that if your voting? -
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Kevin Spacey is okay in my book, he's running the media circuit just as impressively as anyone else. Ironically, I can't tell if he's speaking from an actor's POV or a political... oh yeah... I get it... nevermind.
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Did it develve into the fact that people were prevented from voting as well?
And wasn't part of the overall fallout from this that the UN wanted to keep an eye on the US during the last Presidental election to ensure there were no more irrigularities (or facisit bullshit orchastrated by the GOP if you really want to get down to it) which of course Bush et all took great umbrage to? -
Nope. They are not, in fact, free. As the paying recipient of a PA and MA state ID, I can tell you that 100%. Granted, it's not a large fee, but you're still wrong. And I hate to play the cynic card on ya, but anyone defrauding the voting system will find a way to defraud it WITH voter ID. That's my own personal problem with the voter ID law. It's not going to solve the problem of fraud and it could deny people their right to vote.
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and finally got rid of hbo. have had nothing but crap on since the ending of sopranos. only show of note was john adams and it alone wasnt worth keeping hbo for.
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It is very ironic to see the democrats who wanted every vote counted in 2000, and to wait to see how everything play out between Bush/Gore in Florida, practically telling Hillary Clinton to get out of the race before all the primaries are up even though nobody has the required delegates yet. This just shows in politics(republicans & democrats), that it is never about what is right, it is about getting your side elected no matter what, and the irony rings true 8 years later.
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The cases of documented voter fraud are almost non-existent. Even the justices on the Supreme Court that confirmed the constitutionality of the law acknowledged this.
The truth is that the law may disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters to prevent perhaps a dozen fraudulent votes. Anyone with a true and serious interest in an accurate vote count, representing the people, would have to support that the interest of the people is not making it more difficult to vote.
Unfortunately, although it is bad law to create obstacles to voting, it is not an unconstitutional one. -
As Necgray points out, the few individuals that are committed to fraudulently voting will have zero problem doing it again.
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Regardless of whoever you think really won Florida in 2000, the fact remains that the final margin was well inside the margin of error. The margin of error was far too big and that needs to get markedly reduced. For that to happen, they need a better system of voting: everything from the machinery used to making it as easy as possible for people to vote. Also for the US as a whole, they need to get all of the politicians, political parties and partisan election officials completely out of the system and make it fully independent. Because at the moment, in terms of the actual mechanics of voting and counting the votes in the US, they're well behind Australia, Canada, the UK and well ... the best part of Western Europe.
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I believe that the election of 2000 was a Coup d'etat. Most importantly, it showed just how chaotic and even frightening our election process truly is. I hope that the movie focuses on just how crazy it was. We really don't need to take sides, just show the chaos and incompetence that happened in Florida in 2000.
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As an Independant Nationalist I want to see a few things in this movie. 1. Where the Supreme Court got the idea that they could make law and not just interpret the law. 2. Cover the fact that some people in Florida did not get the chance to vote. 3. Cover the fact that in a state like Wisconsin, college kids were voting up to three times since no one was bothering to check IDs. And though Kathleen Harris is off her rocker, it bothers me that I've heard Republicans were portrayed as "evil" ion this movie. (Though I don't know I haven't seen it yet). Republicans are no more evil than Democrats willing to sit down with Hamas and Iran.
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smeared bill as man as man who hump any piece of skirt. This was to make the republicans look like a moral party and the democrats immoral and weak. They would continue this excerise with Kerry, Kerry remember was a flip flopper, and would make america weak in face of americas enemys. while bush was a strong leader who could keep america safe. At the convention in 2004 the faithful brought flip flops and everytime Kerry's name was mentioned they flipped their flip flops in derision. They brought in Veterans to rubbish his record in Vietnam. He won three purple hearts. in an interview with Channel 4 new gore vidal said YOu would do better than bush, i would do better than bush, hell even the doorman over there would do better than bush, anybody would do better bush.
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Fianna Fial TD Charile McCreey conned the Irish electorate by claiming that everthing was rosy in the Garden. Two days after Fianna fail were elected McCreevey announced that their economy plan was overly optimistic. Then the cutbacks started. They hit widowers(female), the sick and the elederly.
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Yet another piece of left-wing agitprop that manages to leave out THE key fact of the matter (Bush received more votes than Gore in Florida - period). I guess there's a reason it's called "fiction"...
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You wanted to know where the Supreme Court got the idea that they could make law. Actually, the SCOTUS's actions stopped the FLSC from doing just that, doing things like changing the law from explicitly saying "10 days" to saying "20 days" and the like. This was a federal matter because the Constitution dictates that electoral delegates be appointed in a way decreed by the state legislature, not the state courts.
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but these reviews have drummed up my interest. Where are the critiques from National Review and Weekly Standard? Not only was Florida a coup d'etat, but it was a disgrace. Let's drop the electoral college and go with the popular vote, as it should be. Don't forget Texas and the district-line changing power grab Tom DeLay did there too, going so far as using the Dept of Homeland Security to track down his rival Dems. The Republican Party - what a fucking sewer.
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May 25, 2008 8:40:50 AM CDT
"Republicans are no more evil than Democrats willing to sit down
by snowpuff
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What would you call peace talks between Israel and Syria? How do you get peace without talking to your enemy? You must realize even Republican hero Ronald Reagan would have thought such rhetoric was insane. Of course you talk with your enemy. How else do you resolve your differences? By NOT talking to them? By waging war? By forcing conditions on them that are so harsh that we end up with another Nazi Germany?
And yes, we talked to North Korea. DURING THIS ADMINISTRATION.
DURING THIS ADMINISTRATION.
DURING THIS ADMINISTRATION.
DURING THIS ADMINISTRATION.
Hellllllooooooooooo in there??????? Can you hear me??????
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I was about to say something along those lines. Whatever happened to war, and all its destructive and catastrophic implications, as the last resort after all diplomatic efforts are exhausted? Liek you said, we talk to EVERYONE, including North Korea, Hugo Chavez, Syria, Libya, etc. ... all perceived (real or imagined) enemies.
This constant beating of the drum for war against Iran, which is no direct threat to us, only confirms that Bush's foreign policy is controlled by Israel, just like his energy policy is controlled by the oil industy, his health care policy by the Pharma industry, his fiscal policy controlled by the banks ... you get the picture. Where the welfare of our country and our citizenry comes into the picture, that's non-existent. -
how any mention of Iran and Hamas doesn't warrant mentioning its ties to Israel, and how exactly Iran is enough of a threat to us to wage a war against them.
Take it away, Morbid. -
Sure Iran isnt gonna provide terrorist groups with their increasing atomic stockpiles...I only hope your city is the first to be incinerated by that Iranian ultra fascist.
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Thanks for your good wishes for my city. That's so big of you.
Maybe you can help Morbid out and tell us how many nuclear weapons Iran has, how another preemptive war, this time against Iran, will solve the problem instead of diplomacy and monitoring? -
Oh, us here in the US! I hope we don't become a target of illegal regime change!
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after all the votes were counted by independent groups, Democrats and Republicans alike, Bush still won by 537 votes. Regardless of how you feel, this rehashing of the election is silly. I think everyone was angry that it had to go to court in the first place, but at the end of the day...Bush still won. Deal with it. Cast your vote for whomever you choose in the next election, and prepare to bitch about that one, too. Welcome to Democracy, and be grateful millions of your dollars don't go to support a silly family living in a castle downtown, clinging to their perceptions of royal
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Make as many movies about it as you want. That's fine. What bugs me is when the politicians keep talking about the election being stolen, when they know it actually wasn't. If people want to talk about truth in politics, the new leaders should start by clarifying their remarks. Otherwise, what else are they going to change their minds about once elected? They're all the same. Rant ends......now.
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When James Freaking Baker invited Kevin Spacey, Laura Dern, and Danny Strong to show the movie at his very own institute at Rice University on Tuesday.
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The difference is that we did not have any UN resolutions that we couldn't build them, as Iraq signed after the 1991 Gulf War. Iraq/Hussein specifically stated in the UN resolution for his unconditional surrender that he would not pursue any chemical/biological/nuclear weapons. Now in saying that, I still wasn't for going into Iraq, and I am a republican, cause I believe you let the citizens revolt against their government and make that change like Germany & USSR, not us coming in there doing 'regime change.' But I think we all need to be clear that Iran is a state sponsored terroist country as voted on by the UN, so that is the reason nobody is calling us the bad guys for having weapons of mass destruction. I still think you can contain countries like Iran and North Korea by tough sanctions and keeping public opinion against them in the UN, cause these guys know if they fire one weapon towards a sovereign country, the whole world will be against them.
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Maybe HBO will cover the Vince Foster "suicide" next...?
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To the dude who said:
"The cases of documented voter fraud are almost non-existent."
Uh, how do you document voter fraud if nobody has to even prove who they are in the first place. I guess the only cases are when the total number of votes is higher than the number of people alive in the voting district, which basically means the people who organize the cheating were very, very dumb..but since there are no laws requiring ID, they almost never get caught; so maybe htey aren't so dumb after all, just taking advantage of a system that is extremely easy to cheat.
Voter ID won't make it perfect, but it would make it slightly more difficult to cheat.
Voter ID's will "disenfranchise" poor people? LOL. Poor people maange to cough up ID when they need to buy alcohol, or get something done at the welfare office, but somehow can't when they need to vote? Lame excuse, and we know which side of the aisle uses it. And any politician who struggles to keep the system as full of hoels as it already is, well, they probably WANT it kept this easy to cheat the system.
So, when will the HBO version of the 2008 Obama-Hilary race come out? THAT I want to seee... especially how they maange to portray it as the Republicans fault, somehow. -
In all of this talkback or even in the article snippets themselves, I haven't been able to learn this. Does this movie take a side and star all heroic Democrats and evil Republicans? Or is it more even-handed and less opinionated? It would be nice to be informed of this little detail. Otherwise, I'm not gonna complain about what I'm ASSUMING the tone is.
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EW gives me the answer I seek: "Speaking of Democrats, Recount may not be downright blue, but it's not as purply as it wants to appear. Despite its ''equal time'' approach, Recount is an underdog story, and thus a Democrat story." I kinda figured as much.But lemme ask ya this... if Hollywood isn't all controlled by democrats and/or liberals (many like to see that's not true), how come there aren't many or any conservative/Republican opinion movies made? And don't give me the "because Republicans have no real basis for that" crap...Democrat? Republican? @#$% 'em both.
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"I still think you can contain countries like Iran and North Korea by tough sanctions and keeping public opinion against them in the UN, cause these guys know if they fire one weapon towards a sovereign country, the whole world will be against them." Well, I think that may be mostly true. If Iran shot one off toward Israel, though, I'm guessing there would be at least some apologists in the UN.
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I do agree that the UN are little two-faced sometimes, and if Iran fired at Israel, they wouldn't be come to their defense like we would. But these dictators are not stupid, and they know that by them doing anything pre-emptive, they won't have the world on their side. After 9/11, everyone supported us in attacking Afgahanistan, because they were housing BinLaden. In 1991, most of the world supported us in removing Hussein from Kuwait, because he invaded their country. The whole world did not support us in attacking Iraq in '03 because WE made the first move. That is why containment is much easier these days, because none of these guys are armed like USSR during the cold war.
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Ahearne's brilliance as a politician was that in the end he healed his divided party, which was divided for decades. Ahearne has considerable skill as negotiater, he was a man who brought people together. the peace in nothern ireland is a fragile one. all peaces are fragile really but I do think his talents are considerable and he will be a huge asset to anyone looking to broker deals somewhere. Even albert Reynolds did it pakistan. Ted Kenneddy told him he was mad. But reynolds pulled of the deal between Pakistan and indiana. Musharif called Reynolds personally.
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You said in an earlier post that the electoral college should be disbanded in favor of a popular national vote. That would totally disenfranchise most of the states in the country. The 10 most populated states would decide the president every time, thus would be the only states the nominees would bother to campaign in. The argument against the electoral college could be made against the senate as well. Why should Rhode Island get 2 senate votes and California get 2 senate votes. California should get way more based on population, right? Do you think the senate should be scrapped as well, and just keep the house of Reps? The founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing by creating both.
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They have lost the strength of their core value system. They have fucked over the working man for foreign interest, they have drug us into the most expeensive war in history and along with Bush, they are STILL clapping their hands in success. I mean come on. How do you support a party that grants tax breaks to the wealthy 1/3 of our entire country as if they need it, abandon the poor, destroy the foundation of the middleclass and all but divide the country by class in half. The Democrats have their issues. They have been pussies on some key strong notes but that can be improved.
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I think the problem is that, though there are many prominent conservatives in the Hollywood system (Bruce Willis, Gary Sinise, Dennis Hopper), studios don't produce the movies. And unfortunately when they do, they sometimes end up being absurd, awkward and poorly argued (case in point: Expelled). But ultimately, agreed, #$@! both of the parties. And any movie made that overtly or covertly supports either party only serves to reinforce the ideas of anybody going to see it, rather than persuade. There are three kinds of voters in this country: yellow dog Democrats, yellow dog Republicans, and third party voters. The rest of us are too consumed by apathy and disillusionment to bother going to the poll both.
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May 25, 2008 11:24:35 AM CDT
In the 2000 election - our president was selected instead of ele
by leftofcentristdotcom
... and in 2008, the Democratic nominee could be selected instead of elected if the Super Delegates choose Clinton over Obama.
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the atty general of texas spent millions on a voter fraud investigation, and found 8 cases...as far as in know, indiana has never had massive voter fraud case...who did the new stop from defrauding the system? a bunch of nuns and a disabled woman...and thanks for giving the example that alludes to the poor being drunken welfare recipients....and you fucks wanna know why we see repugs as evil bastards...and shit, if hollywood is so controlled by libs...why the fuck do you aholes keep going to the movies...
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* Democrats (middle of the road, liberal-leaning moderates who value social programs).
* New Republicans (far-right plutocrats and theocrats with fascist undertones; What we call "neoconservatives" these days.)
* Old Republicans (middle of the road, conservative-leaning moderates who treasured less government. True conservatives.)
* Libertarians (Far left socially, far right economically, dead center when it comes to foreign policy, and never electable anyway).
The far-left liberals aren't even represented by a political party. There are some people (Dennis Kucinich, for example) but no parties that will embrace them. There is no party that will embrace a purely atheist point of view for government (as it should be), and no party who will seriously look at social programs without being afraid of being called socialist or commies. There is no party on the left that goes as extreme as the current right-wing Republican party.
Of course, the old Republicans are sort of melded into the New Republican party, and their voices aren't being heard--- But at least they are included and somewhat considered when matters of party policy are brought up.
The Republicans need to get the fascists who took over their party out of the picture. I had respect for Republicans when they valued fiscal responsibility, freedom, liberty, and smaller government-- But the current batch are just the opposite on EVERY count.
Take back your damned party, Republicans! Stop letting the talking heads tell you what you've always stood for (even when you didn't) and tell THEM what matters to you!
Meanwhile, I'll be over here dreaming of a day when a guy like Kucinich will be taken seriously in an election, and we can have a true separation of church & state, legalized prostitution, legalized marijuana, legalized marriage benefits for people of all genders and orientations, and decent health care for ALL Americans. I'll be waiting for an America where someone else's gods don't dictate my personal restrictions. -
May 25, 2008 1:10:37 PM CDT
Wanna bet there'll be some recount BS after the 2008 election?
by thebearovingian
Yes, BS. As in BULLSHIT. It is, as others have said, all about doing whatever it takes to get elected. "I didn't win?! No, that can't be true! There's corruption here! It's a conspiracy! The other side must've engaged in foul play! Recount! Re-vote! And if I still haven't won, do it all over again!" F^%&ing disgraceful. Look at the Hillary/ Obama nomination race. There's gonna be a war there and just imagine if whoever wins the nomination loses the Presidential election... U really think Hillary would accept those results? The 2000 race was close but remember that even in 2004 some called Kerry out to challenge the results in Ohio and Florida (He lost by 3 million votes in the popular vote- For those who want to do away with the electoral college and go by popular vote: that's fine as long as you're not going to challenge that too, if the results are not to your liking.) This will, unfortunately and disturbingly, become the norm.
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that the heartland or middle america(red states) told bush that they were sick of being told what to think and what to do by liberal states like boston and new York. boston and new york were democratic states. They were viewed as liberal. The conversative states hated them and sent them a message. These middle americans are family values types, christian, gun loving, god fearing folk. I live in a country where the church dominated the way we lived. Ireland is now a very wealth country, The media in Ireland brought down the catholic Church and exposed the scandalous abuse of the christian bros. AS a nation we are drinking ourselves to death. We continue to ignore the drug problem. anyone who says legalize drugs is shouted down. Our health services is a disgrace. our opposition are a bunch of hypocrits. We a great leader brought down by his lousy personal finances. In modern ireland you cannot have a political leader who is flawed. Bertie was a human being. Gore Vidal said it best when he said that the bush regime have destroyed the republic and the constitution.
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No ill will here but I'm not waiting for an America where your (and I mean "yours" as in you personally) beliefs dictate my life just as you don't want others' to dictate yours. It's give and take. The majority of Americans don't feel the same as you about these things. Maybe someday they will. And not everybody has to have "gods" to believe that drugs, prostitution etc. are a bad thing. Maybe they simply value human life and feel those other things devalue it. From your comments it's clear that you take issue with religion (probably Christianity?). Many people have faith and religious beliefs at their very core so how/why do you expect them to divorce that from their public lives? They believe as passionately as you believe. They may have gained it from a religious tradition whereas you gained your beliefs from somewhere else or through rejection of the religious tradition. Would you allow these people to demand the same from you? To leave your own ingrained world view out of your decisions?
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best post here.
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May 25, 2008 2:29:14 PM CDT
Their are only two debates that ireland does want to debate matu
by emeraldboy
one is the legalisation of drugs and abortion. We have divorce in Ireland and it took a hell of a long time to get it. Bertie was a very catholic leader. in the sense that even afer divorce was legalised he still wont divorce his wife miriam and I have heard that he has a secret lover. no one will ever no if it is true. But it was death bed confession from a friend. The deal was that when and if this friend died, this friend made a secret deal with ahearne that ahearne would after this guys wife. But we will never know if it is true or not. call it a dublin urban legend. It explains why he cant could divorce his wife and it explains why he could marry Celia Larkin.
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Which was essentially legislating from the bench and got shot down 7-2 by the US Supreme Court for it.
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The 18 independent investigations by different sources all say otherwise. Well, except under ONE scenario that Gore never requested. So, under 4 scenarios, Bush wins. Under one scenario, Gore wins. Seems like Bush won fair and square.
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Except for the 1960 election
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hey chrth, even if there was massive voter fraud in chicago, kennedy won the election through the electoral college...even if you give illinois to nixon...oh, and enuf of the wingnut talking point of "legislating from the bench"...conservative courts do it all the time...and as for the 2000 supremes decision...if it is as simple as you wingnut fucks say, why wont scalia discuss the case? and why was harris in such a rush to certify the election...anyway, karma is a bitch, and by 2010, bush, cheney and rove will all be rotting in prison
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May 25, 2008 3:09:40 PM CDT
So glad the Left never uses "choreographed protestors"
by darth_inedible
But seriously who in the Hollywood media establishment is going to risk their job/social life by panning this?
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I stayed up all night and the next morning when I was too tired to exercise my distretionary faculties, I watch this movie "Dunstford brings it on home" or whatever the fuck it was called, this thing with Jason alexander and Paul Reubens about a gorilla living in a hotel or something. It actually wasn't bad and had some pretty funny moments - or so I believed in my state of diminished faculties. When I stopped to consider what I had done, though, I was reviled with self loathing. "oh my god, I just watched a fucking monkey movie" I thought, and immediately called the local cable service and canceled my HBO.Never saw "Sexy the City" or "the Superanus" or any of that critically acclaimed "it ain't TV, it's Hobo" stuff. They ain't selling me no more monkey movies.Let's just hope the people ain't buying no more monkey presidents, either, seven and a half years with a chimp in the oval office have done enough harm.
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Clinton says She can beat McCain, and Obama cannot.But Clinton cannot even beat Obama...So if Obama cannot beat McCain, and Clinton cannot beat Obama.... Hmmm"Okay, I am losing by every objective measurement, so what should I do? I know, I will claim that I can win a hypothetical future election, since I cannot win the real, current one. And I will try to have the Rules changed AFTER the fact, so that I get delegates that are not allowed by the Rules I agreed to BEFOREHAND. I have no shame, and will do ANYTHING so long as it helps ME."
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May 25, 2008 3:40:30 PM CDT
and the Most Thinly Stretched Surreal Analogy Award goes to...
by chromedome
Napoleon Park, for his wild and hilarious linking of an Exhausted (Inebriated?) Viewing of Dunsford Monky Movie to the Presidential Elections of 2008.So Surreal, Sir! Well done.
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I don't think it's a matter of expecting public officials to ignore their philosophical upbringing. I think it's more a matter of not letting that PERSONAL upbringing overtly affect PUBLIC policy. As in all things, it's a balancing act. As you say, give and take. The problem being that too often people in government positions with strong religious upbringing IGNORE the balance. They do what is determined to be best for their religion and not what is best for their constituency. Which is comprised of a variety of people, not all of whom share the same religion. To my mind, allowing yourself to become an elected representative of a population requires a sacrifice of your subjective POV. It's part of the job description.
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is punching a goddamn ballot that difficult?
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Seriously, the foam from your rant is getting on my shoes.
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They call these 'fascists' that you refer to 'neo-cons' because they've only recently joined the Republican side. They follow the power. During the Clinton years we called them 'humanitarians' and 'nation builders'. We didn't call them fascists back then(only Republicans can be fascists!) even though they were promoting the exact same policy(eg: Clinton militarizing the somalia humanitarian operation, NATO bombing Bosnia etc). Pre-9/11 Bush even campaigned against the perceived excessive military/humanitarian intervention of the Clinton years("If we're
an arrogant nation, they'll resent us, if we're a humble nation but strong, they'll welcome us.
We've got to be humble and yet project strength in a way that promotes freedom") but as soon as 9/11 happened and the public's rage demanded action 'humble' went right out the window. The same abrupt change in tone could easily happen to Obama or whoever the next Prez is, and the scary part is that it will be almost entirely out of their hands. This is why blaming every last problem we have faced in the last eight years on Bush is non-constructive and ultimately destructive to our nation. It happened, then we asked for it. We need to own up. -
I daresay your definitions of "neocon" and "libertarian" are at right angles with reality. Neocons tend to be moderate to left in most areas not related to foreign policy. And don't call them theocrats; the most prominent of them tend to be, you know, Jewish, not RR. Libertarians also can very easily be socially conservative; witness Ron "pro-life" Paul.
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I'm still upset about the election of 1932. Anyone want to debate that?
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For that alone I can forgive any number of Movies featuring Monkey's or Chimps or whatever.
And Deadwood was class. Carnivale were purdy damn good too. Sopranos ? meh. it had it's moments I spose.
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I'll be watching that instead. The last thing I want to watch is anything Hollywood has to say about politics.
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Don't get me started! Think the candidate's name may have been Dunsford...
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Because it's no surpise that it getting such rave reviews from all these Liberal media outlets.
Now for somethings that won't be seen in Re-count..
The attempts by Dems to throw out votes from Overseas Military Personal.
The illegal voting of thousands of Dem voters who though they lived and voted in New York also voted in Florida with absentee ballots.
The re-count paid for and done by very Liberal members of the MSM who found out even if the re-count was done as Gore wanted..Bush still won.
but let the Dems and Liberals have their little circle-jerk over this...at least the makers were smart enough to release this on HBO instead of Movie theaters were it would of bombed with the rest of the Anti-Bush movies of the last year or so. -
why do you watch tv...why do you go to the movies? is it just to bitch and give you something to do when el druggo and hannity aint on the air?
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i will turn that blowhard on...i dont need to read his fucked up talking points here....and will you fucks stop with the myths that bush won florida? he did because that cunt made sure to invalidate thousands of votes that shouldve counted...the election was stolen...bush is a crook and a war criminal...and after 8 years of his insane rule, america is in the toilet....i fuckin hate all you 28 percenters...you have destroyed my beautiful country
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go post your bullshit rants on a political website
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is all this is. It paints of course one-side and the la times to say the that this was the best political movie since "All the Presidents Men", hell that movie was more grounded in fact then recount is, oh and for all the people that say bush was seclected not elected, the New York Times did the full recount and guess what Bush still would've won Flordia
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Gore lost all on his 'wooden' self. If Dems would worry about actually running on a real platform then any 'I hate Republicans' ideology, they might have do a lot better.
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Hard to compete with the daily conservative circle-jerk of Faux News...
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Evading ... again?
I'm not surprised, and certainly can't blame you after our Plame Affair.
So if you please, do give us your rationale for waging a preemptive war against Iran. Is it "reforming the Arab world"? I'll even ignore the fact that Iranians are Persian and not Arab. Does that help, just a little? -
I see your point but I'm not talking about popular vote weighted by state. I'm talking about a National popular vote - one citizen, one vote. That gives equal weight to someone living in West Virginia to someone living in California or New York.
In 2000, Gore won the popular vote by 540,000 people nationwide. That's over a half million people/votes. To anyone holding Bush's 531 vote lead in Florida (which is a suspect number anyway) ... suck on that.
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Bastard.
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"I drink your votes!!!!! I drink your votes up!!!!!!"
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"Florida goes to George W. Bush" *Grits teeth*
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And no, I don't feel like another movie with Hollywood ranting about conservatives.
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National Review fact check:
http://tinyurl.com/6mfe4r
In conclusion, simply stated, if the recount proceeded in the exact way the Democrats asked for, Bush would still have won, dumbasses. -
Fench film set in a school, ensenble piece.
That is all :| -
NR is about as reliable a source for facts as Fox or Weekly Standard. They are part and parcel of the Republican establishment. Nuff said.
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(Counting Gore votes) "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no ..."
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Is there a particular fact in the NR article that you are disputing? I will be happy to cross check the fact with NY Times, LA Times, Pravda, or whatever else you like and provide links. How about Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000#Post_recount
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Not really. I just feel like playing tonight. I'll check it tomorrow. I'm still reeling from Indy 4.
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There's a clip on YouPorn from a French movie about a teacher showing her students how to suck a dick. That won my Palm D'or award too.
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"I thought that was closer."
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So far as the Democrats and Republicans go, I like Toht's line of thinking from Raiders:"Shoot them. Shoot them BOTH!"
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People need to let it go and move on. Cripes, it's what eight years ago now?
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with the HBO movie in question? Oh, right. Nothing. It's more AICN political TB posturing...
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That way I can hop on a TB and post about the fact that I disagree with the policies of Communist China...
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...in Florida, this probably would never have happened: U.S. ambassador to Iraq said on Saturday Al Qaeda in Iraq has never been closer to defeat then they are now. Though he is not ready to say Al Qaeda is defeated, he is willing to say the troop surge has dealt the terrorist organization an astonsihing blow.
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How legitimate would that have been? The liberal media had already called Florida for Gore, all the major networks did, way too early while the polls were still open in the panhandle of Florida, where there are a lot of military families, probably discouraging many to vote, and it wasn't corrected until it was probably too late. Many abentee votes from the military were also suspiciously denied. Florida was a travesty, not because of Republicans but because of the inexcusable behavior of liberal media, judges, and a bunch of cry baby democrats who can't accept losing and shows how they continue to drag this country to the level of a third world country.
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so what say you, talkbackers?
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Yea!
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But we're watching Alex Jones' Terrorstorm right now. You should catch it, it's pretty good.
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Libtard!!!!
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May 25, 2008 10:11:41 PM CDT
RICHARD ROEPER HATES FREEDOM, TROOPS, CONSTITUTION, DEMOCRACY
by bringingsexyback
Just saving Brane some typing.
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which we all know is a liberal tool of propoganda to make industrialists look selfish and soulless. Also to sell sleds.
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you moron. al qaeda in iraq didn't even EXIST until bush decided we should invade. so you're right, if the liberal media had gotten their wish that never would have happened because that group wouldn't have even needed to be dealt with in the first place. educate yourself before you blather on and on.
and i love how you retard conservatives bash a movie you haven't even SEEN yet. if any of you idiots would just sit down and examine something before you ignorantly bash it, you would realize the whole world isn't against you. the movie was actually pretty fair to both sides. -
from Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert as well. Sometimes The Onion, too. OH! And a site called "Commie Pinko Bastard News."
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As he did this morning when he addressed me first ... but refused to answer my reply.
So now he thinks he's owed some response to his questioning? I think I'll wait for his answers first, though I don't see any forthcoming. As usual. -
blocking out bad memories. Can't say I blame the guy.
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Since you've said nothing about it, that makes you ... pointless.
Do you even try to break that pattern of pointlessness, Morbid? Even your mentor on the subject of Nazis, Brane, is able to concoct a point.
And was it me who brought up the issue of Iran and nukes? Nope. It was Groothewarrior. Learn to read much? -
My first reaction was that it would be a liberal whitewash, but so far, it seems that it's actually 'fair' and 'balanced'.
Can you imagine the implications? An objective documentary that tackles not only one of the most controversial moments in recent political history, but a moment that was arguably part of the reason we're living in the butt-crack of this schism now?
I haven't seen it yet, but if it's true, the most interesting thing about it will be the reactions to it. I consider myself a conservative, for lack of a better term, but something tells me that even if this film is fair, conservatives will still crucify it. Force of habit. Have at it, bitches! :) -
you guys should just get a room already. BSB would definitely dominate.
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... before commimenting on the peice. It was better than expected. All players were great. Esp. Ed Begley Jr. and Laura Dearn and Tom Wilkinson as James Baker. And of course Spacey and Denis Leary too.
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He latches onto me in every political TB, keeps entering my supposed "fantasy" world ... kind of the equivalent of tapping my shoe.
I don't want you, Morbid. You're a loser. Get away from me. *Makes L sign with fingers* -
Dammit.
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May 25, 2008 11:04:05 PM CDT
LEAVE IT TO MORBID TO FIND ANY EXCUSE TO TALK TO ME
by bringingsexyback
all the while dropping the word "fantasy" time and time again. Subliminal suggestions don't work on me, Morbid. Maybe you'll have better luck on Craigslist M4M.
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But there's no denying some involvement there.
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I hate political talkbacks and yet I can't stop reading them! The online equivalent of a car crash. Hey antoniusbloc, if he said it, it must be true! Remember Cheney and his "last throws of the insurgency"? Good times. I'm not here to start shit on either side (I'm from Canada eh, so this is not my area of expertise, and we have problems of our own). But if your evidence for an argument is one person making some grand proclamation, you sure don't have much going for you. Again, I don't have all the facts, but weren't there numerous complaints of people (esp minorities, who would likely have voted Democrat) being turned away from voting stations? I thought that was a big part of the brouhaha. IF that's the case, then it really doesn't matter what the various recounts came up with, the results are still an inaccurate representation of the population. For all I know, I'm completely misinformed here though. Finally, necgray, I peed a little on that sled line. Kudos, mi amigo.
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CMON ITS AWESEOM! HUGE BOULDERS ARE ROLLING EVERYHWERE THERE
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I guess you like to throw me off with your subliminal strategy. Nice try, but no cigar. And don't think of the cigar in the Clinton/Lewinsky way either. Keep those fantasies to yourself.
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yes, they mentioned dems trying to do away with the military ballots.
and swordfish, yes there were people turned away for having names close to names of convicted felons. there was an actual order from the state that not only convicted felons be turned away, but those with similar names just in case. many of these people turned out to be minorities for you know whatever reason... -
Loser Take All: Election Fraud and The Subversion of Democracy, 2000-2008, edited by Mark Crispin Miller. From the publisher's comments: "An indispensable anthology of writings covering the vast election fraud that has been perpetrated by the GOP - with the Democratic Party's acquiescence - since 2000. Among the subjects treated here are: the myth of George Bush's victory in Florida in 2000, and FOX News's key role in propagating it; Senator Max Cleland's dubious defeat in Georgia in 2002; Bush's "re-election" in 2004, including evidence of systematic fraud *outside* of Ohio; startling evidence of fraud committed in the 2006 midterm elections, which the Democrats appear to have won by a far larger margin than officially reported; and, crucially, evidence that the Republicans will attempt to steal the presidential election in 2008."
On the topic of subversion of democracy, let's not forget the US Attorney scandal (pursue this groundless case against a Democrat or you're fired) or the bogus prosecution of Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman; also addressed in this book. It's on Amazon in paperback, and I'd like to check it out if I think I can make it through it without having an aneurism. -
It's not a fave of mine. But that just confirms me being the center of all your thoughts, Morbid. I drink your consciousness. I drink it up! Loser.
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Yet another example of how the Patriot Act is being exploited for the purpose of political hegemony. Read that book, despite what Morbid says. In fact, do anything, despite what Morbid says. It'll doubtless be the wise thing to do.
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Oh, thanks for the info. Any word on why this was done in Florida and not anywhere else? It seems like a ridiculous policy to me, and I'd be mighty pissed if I shared a somewhat similar name with a felon which rendered me unable to vote.
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was it done elsewhere, and they just didn't run into the same problems? Which again would beg the question of why Florida was such an anomaly. Hmmm. Just curious here, it's a strange situation however you look at it.
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May 25, 2008 11:37:24 PM CDT
THE NERVE OF MORBID TO TELL SOMEONE NOT TO READ THE TRUTH
by bringingsexyback
You have some nerve. Some nerve.
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she had the bitch down perfectly...and to the wingnuts...please note why the handcount was requested from only 4 counties...it was thanks to the bitch...fuck katherine harris
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it was uncovered in florida. probably wasn't investigated enough in other states to see what they did.
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But Morbid thinks it's an appropriate thing to do. Maybe Morbid would like everyone to get his approval before reading a book. Maybe Morbid should mind his own business.
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... and I think the Republicans were mostly portrayed as caricatures while the Democrats were all portrayed as more 'normal.' So yeah, I see a bias there. Although I'll tell you, the part where Ginsberg mentions 'washing away the Clinton stain and bringing honor back to the White House...?' ... oh yeah, that was spot on. I remember how thankful I was 8 years ago when Bush won for that very reason. Also, I used to believe that Bush-hate was just a backlash to the Clinton-hate of the 90s. Now I'm more likely to believe it's still bitterness from 2000. And to agree with the movie, yes, asking to recount just 4 counties was a HUGE mistake. Like was also said, doing that took away any moral high ground. I did find myself admiring the Democrats depicted, though, for their tenacity. Spacey turned in another great performance. So did Dern, even though I thought the movie was horribly unfair to Ms. Harris.
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May 25, 2008 11:49:20 PM CDT
OH NO, MORBID THINKS HE KNOWS BETTER THAN THE MAKERS OF RECOUNT!
by bringingsexyback
Because the movie doesn't conform to his views! Shocker!
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May 25, 2008 11:51:14 PM CDT
KATHERINE HARRIS WANTED TO HOOK UP WITH A COLLEGE JOURNALIST
by bringingsexyback
She rubbed his leg all sexy like. Gross.
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And you know this because ... you read it?
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I imagine your review is probably correct.
One thing though: You say "I used to believe that Bush-hate was just a backlash to the Clinton-hate of the 90s. Now I'm more likely to believe it's still bitterness from 2000."
You can't think of any other reasons, perhaps some extremely justifiable ones, that people might despise Bush? Bush is not the Republican party. Many, many Republicans hate what he stands for, and it has nothing to do with any 'backlash' or recount bitterness. Bush has done a great job- of giving people reasons to want to see him gone. -
Because you - MorbidObesity - disagree with one (1) word in the publisher's comment, you are calling the entirety of the book as "Leftist Alarmist Content", and advising others not to read it?
Is that about right? -
sitting in a tree...
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Morby and BSB, fellas, just screw and get it over with. This foreplay is taking forever.
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Thanks for verbalizing what I couldn't seem to put in terms that would not come across as partisan hatred (I'm trying to avoid spurring it on). I had those exact thoughts regarding the Bush-hate comment, but all potential rejoinders in my head sounded kind of dick-ish. Congrats on making a point while keeping it civil.
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He's unstable enough as it is.
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You haven't read the book, but based on a solitary word not of the author's own writing but of someone in the the publisher's publicity department, the book is all wrong, is what you consider to be Leftist Alarmist Content, and you advise others not to read it.
Maybe you'd prefer to change your name to MullahObesity, since you're so fond of censorship. -
I don't even people think about how brainwashed the left has become. Fox News gets ripped on all the time for being right wing supporters but MSNBC is the worst of the worst. What about the fantastic editing done by the team at NBC on the Bush interview. Please go back to your Michael Moore documentaries and leave the real thinking and decision making left to people who can actually determine the difference between fact and opinion to us real thinking adults. That goes for you Harry too.
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for finding it odd that Morbid likes to talk to an imaginary third person when he's talking to me. Maybe he was fantasizing of a menage-a-trois involving Brane.
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Maybe that's why he's so ill-informed.
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Oficiales de la Florida re-cuentan los votos presidencialies!!!!
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Did they use Maybelline's new Ugly line of cosmetics?
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Stop attaching yourself to me. Please.
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May 26, 2008 12:47:53 AM CDT
LOOKS LIKE JOHN HURT IS BEING PUT TO BETTER USE HERE
by bringingsexyback
than in Indy 4.
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May 26, 2008 12:58:25 AM CDT
SO IT WAS JAMES BAKER WHO LET LOOSE THE REPUBLICLOWNS
by bringingsexyback
I'm sure Morbid and Brane were part of that circus.
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Love that!
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The Electoral College will never be thrown our because that would require an admendent to the Constitution and there are enough small states out there that would not go for that. You want to change something change the primary system, now that is screwed up. Also the same morons who were running around in 2000 saying George Bush did not have as many votes as Gore in 2000 were the same morons who were running around in 2004 when Kerry did not have as many votes as Bush (There were nut jobs saying Bush stole Ohio from Kerry). If Kerry did win Ohio than Bush would still have had more votes than Kerry. One thing to the nuts on the right side of the aisle. If Bush had more popular votes in 2000 and Gore would have won Florida everyone in here would be making the counter arguements that they are making now.
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Like I said before they would have to be incredibly Heavy Handed (fart noises and slapstick Heavy Handed) for the Comedy to fail there.
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Why are Republicans prone to sexual deviance?
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What a sham.
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May 26, 2008 1:15:24 AM CDT
WHITE REPUBLICANS SCREAMING "NO JUSTICE NO PEACE"?!?!
by bringingsexyback
Nipples!
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This may turn out to be a pretty good TV weekend!
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That would be Mr. Al Gore.
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Look for a sticker like this on every bunch of 5 or 6 direct recording electronic voting machines (DREs). Peel 'em and collect 'em! http://tinyurl.com/69arr9 (imageshack.us) Got one from Georgia '02? That's a collector's item!
I hate wasting paper; I almost never print anything. But when it comes to politicians and power brokers, we simply are not and never will be dealing with a scrupulous class of people. Voting machines that leave no verifiable record must be banned. We can drop the paper records when we switch to etched hypercrystal. There needs to be a meaningful audit process in place if the interference of our high court is to count for anything.
MorbidObesity, Cleland led by 5 pct in polls leading up to the election, but lost 7 pct; a 12 point swing that R's tried to attribute to some ludicrous attack ad. Two Diebold whistleblowers later came out and explained how the company's election systems head personally supervised the secretive installation of a software patch on DRE machines there in Georgia weeks before the election. Local officials were carefully kept in the dark -- the crews installing the patch were explicitly told not to tell anyone what they were doing. Ostensibly the patch was a fix for the machines' clock, but it had no such effect. This was all reported in Rolling Stone in 2006.
You can review the facts and accept what probably happened, or you can be willfully ignorant and defend your party instead of your democracy. Well, your boss' party, but he thinks it's cute that you signed up. Or maybe you do make like $400K (where Bush's capital gains tax cuts really kicked in), how would I know. Here, I'll go first: the 1960 election was quite possibly stolen for JFK by Mayor Daley of Chicago. -
"say goodnight dick"....."goodnight dick"...laff in was the only show my parents let me stay up to watch...ah for simpler times, long before the wingnuts took over the country and a prez could say, "sock it to me" on tv
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That does sound dubious, to say the least, although Morbid will disagree because he truly is willfully ignorant.
If I recall correctly, one of the Republicans' (and possibly Diebold's) arguments against a paper receipt for voting machines was it was cost prohibitive. Can you believe that? I don't see supermarkets going bankrupt printing out those 2-foot long receipts. I think each citizen is entitled to a 2-inch piece of paper in turn for exercising their most important of Constitutional rights. -
I like the guy.
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It's not what you think Morbid! Pervert.
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You should have fought on Mr. Gore!! Look at what happened in the last 7 years!!!!!!
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THEYRE FOLLOWING US
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Thanks for posting the talkback Herc!
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it is de shit! It's growing on me : ) can't we just go back to the good old days of politics when the democrats would hook you up with a nice hooker over at the Watergate. Those were the days ...
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if you watched carefully, the near riot by congressional aides was staged by rove...if gore had fought on they were prepared to use every dirty tactic to make it appear as if gore had stolen the election...as you can see by many of the posts here, many of the myths prevail (gore didnt want to recount the entire state, gore wanted to stop military ballots from being counted,the supreme court decision made sense) my god, even up to today, scalia lies about the decision...he says it was a 7-2 vote, but he neglects to mention the 5-4 idiotic decision that said that since the counting had not completed on the 12th, they couldnt continue, despite the fact that it was the supremes who forced the counting to stop...topsey turvey.....goodnight dick
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blair did much the same thing. The new Home sec only recently repealled the law that banned protests from outside parliament. Blair's govt merged criminal and civil law. to the point where they were indistinguishable. Even though in Ireland we have asbos. Gardai refuse to use them. proper order. The killing of the two of polish men outside a chipper over their refusal to buy a group of young thugs drink was one of shocking crimes to happen in modern ireland.
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a young actor, who had just won a role in the next Harry potter film, was stabbed to death after he intervened to stop his brother getting attacked in fight.
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Nuff said, close thread.
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his parents want automatic stop and searches for everyone. to stop knife crime. Uk police are adopting an increasingly aggressive tone in this regard. IT saddens me that Britain has reached that level where anyone is suspect. Bah!
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Diebold = Skynet. Wake the fuck up people!!!
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The way the Republicans mobbed the state building, you woulda thought they were disenfranchised black voters instead of privileged white kids given their marching orders by Karl Rove and James Baker.
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But while I'm sure the likes of true Conservatives like Samsquanch would heed your call for reason, guys like Brane and his padawan Morbid will continue to stew in their ignorance. But hey, it's nt like they have to go out and fight Hamas or invade Iran. They just want others do it while they watch the proceedings on Fox.
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This time with big exo-skeletal robotic fighting machines!!!
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When his intent was ignored, Chad takes revenge on the Republicans. Rated R for Revenge.
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GEDD DOO DAH CHOPPAH!!! BRING DA BOX OF STOLEN VOTES!!! DOO EEED NEEOOWWW!!!!!!!
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Both the Democratic and Republican party signed off on the film after reviewing it. That being said, why would the Republicans want to show themselves in such a poor light, unless they really are that stupid and think that they can do whatever they want and get away with it. Apparently, in 2000, they could. The whole thing made me mad all over because it was very clear that Gore absolutely won the election and the Supreme Court was in the pocket of the Republicans. Here's why...thousands of votes uncounted, 20,000 ballots thrown away from Democrat counties, thousands more not allowed to vote. Kathryn Harris and the officials of the counties that refused at first to count the ballots by hand should be put in jail.
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... saying how the newspapers that did their own recounts also said that Bush won? Oops... oh, that wouldn't really help sell the idea that Gore should've won, I guess. To further alienate myself from you guys, I still don't see how this country has suffered under Bush. I think you've all been fed some bullshit and you think it's yummy.
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in regards the supremes, ever wonder why to this day, scalia lies about the decision, choosing only to mention the first part, not the second and to claim it was gore, not bush who went to the courts first? as for cleland, you are probably right, it wasnt the voting machines that did him in...it was the rovian tactics that painted a war hero (who lost two legs and an arm defending your freedom) as being a terrorist sympathizer...you fucks are evil bastards that must be stopped at all costs
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, BSB, but I respectfully disagree with Wiener.
Republicans aren't "wholly responsible" for the crisis. The thing about a two-party system is that each party is supposed to be the checks and balances for the other; essentially the conscience of the government as a whole, a stop-gap preventing absolute power from corrupting absolutely. The process has never completely worked perfectly, but I believed in it. I still do, but the past 8 years have severely tested my faith. As far as I'm concerned, the Bush administration represent a radical group of right-wing extremists that have always been a component of the party, albeit a minor one. In 2000 they effectively performed a coup and took over the party, and the country. This sounds like an extremist, alarmist view of what happened, but it isn't. These kinds of things happen all the time in Washington, double-dealing, secret agendas, alliances forged and betrayed, intrigue is the lifeblood of American politics. The Necons have been carefully arranging themselves to take power for more than a generation, some people trace it back to Nixon's presidency. Whatever, assuming things can be defined in such primary colors, the profile of the Republican party has changed radically since I was a kid.
...Where were the Democrats while all this was going on? The Dems have consistently dropped the ball, been ineffectual, rolled over when they should have stood strong. The Democrats have been a strong party in the past, but if the last 8 years have seen the Republican personality shift, it's only been a mirror image of what's happened to the Democrats. The Dems can't just 'look the other way' and blame everything on Bush. Bush took power-and held it, on their watch. They are as complicit as the traditional Republicans when it comes to what's happened to America, and not only that, but have never once showed any real will to resist the neocon agenda.
As for the Diebold fiasco, I consider it a non-partisan issue. If the democrats take over in November and we see 12 years of iron-clad Democratic rule (which I doubt, but still) Do you really think they'll resist the temptation to use the precedent set by the Bush Republicans? Of course not. Diebold and it's promoters have argued that paper ballots are unreliable, expensive, and wasteful. Well, ATM machines seem to work just fine for millions of transactions every single day dispensing paper receipts, which are exactly the same thing. Fuck Diebold. Electronic ballots aren't pro-republican or anti-democrat, they're fucking un-American. Say it loud. -
I'm trying to think of something that he's done that is uniquely "far-right" in comparison to the wars and policies of say Clinton or even Carter and I'm coming up short. Unions haven't been busted, abortion is still legal and gays can now marry in Ca and Mass and this hasn't been stamped out by the Justice dept. Does talking about American exceptionalism make him "far-right"? Haliburton? Weren't they collecting no-bids in Bosnia during the Clinton years? What is it that makes Bush uniquely "far-right"?
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Notice there was a news black out. This allowed Bush to put his people in Charge, effectively ending the regan administration. Regan was president in all but name and the real president Was George Herbert Walker Bush. Bush senior became the president. but only for one term and he was ousted by paul wolfiwitz after Bush decided that the best way to defeat Saddam was to contain him.
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Don't be ridiculous. Who on earth would believe that nonsense. He's married. And an Upstanding Republican family man. Jeeeez!what a baseless slur.
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Come on ! He was a captain who was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Star for valorous action in combat. Comparing him to Osama Bin Laden is horseshit.
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Please ! Who would try and peddle that kind of rubbish just for cheap political gain. It's a Crock.
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You are responsible for the worst President in the history of the United States. Memorial Day today and we honor the brave deaths of 4000+ US Soldiers in Iraq and the blood of each soldier is on your hands. Mother fuckers.
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Doesn't that make him a fascist piece of shit ?
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you fucking piece of shit...cleland earned the bronze and silver stars for combat duty at khe san...the grenade that blew off his legs and arm were from a another soldier....how fucking dare you smear the good name of a true war hero...what the fuck have you ever done in your life??? they dont give silver stars for saving a burger from being burned...as for scalia...he is a fucking wingnut ahole liar, who refused to recuse himself from the case of bush v gore, even though his sons were working for bush on the recount...go watch his recent inteviews where he only cites the 7-2 decision and not the 5-4, where he says it was gore who brought the case to court, where he says its old news, forgetting to note that the decision was unprecidented in the annals of judicial history as it only pertained to this specific case...like all wingnuts, you choose to remain woefully ignorant..and the fact that you would smear a real war hero is downright dispicable...you pig
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Besides the glaring, striking examples like repealing the separation between Church and State, waging war as a primary purpose of rule rather than understanding war as the failure of government, and of course, treating the Bill of Rights and the American constitution as a list of guidelines to be dismissed whenever inconvenient, here's an article that I found after a 5 second google search that touches on a few topics:
http://tinyurl.com/4tvt9z
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It's intellectually disingenuous to compare one random example against another and claim that the larger scale definition of a presidency can be dismissed. That is not a rational way to argue. Saying that Clinton perpetrated right-wing actions does not provide any kind of counterweight to Bush's far-right conservatism. Bush and Clinton can both be scumbags at the same time, in the same universe, without putting us in danger of any kind of quantum-scumbag-singularity.
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I live in Indiana and I got a free picture ID when I went to the BMV and told them I needed it and to register to vote. It's the law that if you need a picture ID for voting purposes they have to give it to you for free.
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Interested in this... does it deserve my downl... purchase?
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you miss the point...was there evidence of massive voter fraud in indiana prior to the law being enacted...creating a law based on a hypothetical is absolute bs...especially when that law was created by republican law makers to make sure that it would be more difficult for dem voters to go to the polls
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You're fucking kidding, right?
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and thanks for showing that like all wingnuts, you spit on the constitution....huzzah...and thx for continuing to spread the lies about returning vietnam vets being spat upon...never happened...i dont support mccain, but that has nothing to do with his service and much more to do with his abandoning his former maverick self in order to gain the republican nomination...and you sir are no patriot....for how can you say that you respect clelands service and then alledge that he was drunk at the time of the incident that caused him to lose his legs and arm...you sir are a pig...plain and simple...just like the pig who now sits in the whitehouse...the one who should be going in front of the world court to face a war crimes tribunal...not our troops, who are forced to fight his illegal and immoral war
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as it went over all the machinations that occured during the month long period...but watch it just to see laura dern's performance...she is brilliant
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I'll bet he reads Animal Farm as a how-to manual rather than a cautionary tale, like Rove did. Disgusting filthy no good pigs. Hope you're all having some good BBQ today..
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You fucking pig. Do you even hear yourself? Where do you get off talking to humans like that? Shut your pig mouth or I'll fucking put you on the spit. OINK OINK
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Cracks me up everytime!
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calm down. I think you just let slip your calm demeanor and revealed your true face. I guess bacci40 really hit a nerve, huh? I don't agree with everything bacci says, he's a bit too left for my tastes (no offence, bac), but at least he and I realize that whatever side of the fence you stand on, we recognize and respect eachother's patriotism. Whether your a lefty or a righty, this isn't a fucking patriotism contest. Yelling at liberals and convincing yourself that they all 'spit on the noble troops' just makes you sound nuts. Is it really that important for you to believe that liberals are such grotesque caricatures? If so, you've got problems, man.
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love it or leave it. All I gotta say.
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but a bit of healthy criticism is allowed, right?
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That did happen, as well as worse things. My dad told me about hippies camped out at airports sporting placards that said things like 'baby killers' and fascist pigs' and the like, but I agree Morbid, not necessarily a relevant point when discussing Democrat/Republican politics. If anything, those dirty hippies probably didn't even vote. That should make Brane happy.
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Just look at the pig. He's fucking dangerous.
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May 26, 2008 4:48:00 PM CDT
BRANE - DID YOUR, UM, NYU CREATIVE WRITING INSTRUCTORS
by bringingsexyback
give you high marks for your, um, creative writing? Or did they report you to campus security?
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For the love of all that is good.
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In other words, you can respect the Office, not necessarily the man occupying it. I don't agree that Bush should stand trial for war crimes (not yet, anyway, I could be convinced) Like I said before, Bush is not the Republican party.
Mark Twain (a loyal patriot) said:
"Loyalty to your country always, loyalty to your government when they deserve it."
It's Republicans like you that make this country a target. You've been so brainwashed by the ruling ideology of the neocon agenda that you can't even tell the difference between what America actually is and the Brand America(tm) that's being sold off to the highest bidders in your name. Do you really think that Democrats 'hate' America? You're a fool, Brane. You've been recruited into a class of mindless drones that don't serve America or her principles, but serve the interests of a few opportunistic, corporatist oligarchs who rely on idiots like you to decry and silence rational dissent and true patriotic voices. You make it easy for them to exploit America for their own ends. All they have to do is wrap themselves in the flag and chant a few slogans, and you're out there in front clearing a path, like a good little doggie. Fuck you. -
Bush loses a vote when Brane's obvious insanity forces the county to reconsider his vote.
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So he doesn't accidentally stab himself while eating.
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Let's not give him credit where not due. Morbid is his loyal padawan dungling.
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Sorry Morbid. Barbeque awaits. You'll have to play with Brane in the meantime.
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I enjoyed Recount very much. I loved how they portrayed James Baker. I thought that Laura Dern's view of Katherine Harris was hilarious! I hope it was a satire. All in all, it was a fun look at the absolute chaos that occurred in 2000. It should also give all of us a shock to see just how "democratic" this country truly is.
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...not as revealing as Liz Trotta on Fox News giggling about the idea of Barack Obama being assasinated. http://www.viralvideochart.com/youtube/fox_news_jokes_about_killing_obama?id=BjYpkvcmog0
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FUCKING HELL.
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ya, there were a few who cried baby killers...but no one ever spit on a soldier...and the vast majority of protestors had much respect for the soldiers, because most in vietnam were from their age group, and they had friends there....remember, we are talking the draft
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They didn't include a tag at the end explaining that every independent recount, even using the most liberal of standards, showed that Bush won the election in Florida. Well done.
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There is a big difference between hyperbole used when someone is emotional and what the person really thinks, feels and does. You judge "leftists" as though you understand them by the hyperbole you hear from their mouths when they are upset. Most liberals are very intelligent and passionate about politics... because politics is about peoples lives. I am a liberal and I hold fast to logic and truth and practicality. But if you catch me after, as I wrote about above, seeing a 40 year 3 time emmy winning journalist saying with laughter that Obama should be killed along with Osama Bin Ladin... you will see me lose my shit over it. Yeah. I'll call the person who says that kind of thing EVIL. You bet I will. But don't percieve my anger and judgement as a sign of my lack of perspective or fairness or justice. It's all there... YOU just don't see it while I'm venting. I'm sure that this is the case with many conservatives as well... I know it is... I grew up conservative. This is why... at some point... we need to return to respectfully discussions and leave this trash talking behind.
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unlike your heroes the wingnuts, who believe that the constitution is equivalent to the stuff that they wipe their asses with in the morning
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jimmy carter has lost it...what he did today was frickin insane...he gave over state secrets regarding nuclear arsenols in a public forum...whether you agree with the policies of a sitting president or not, there are certain things a former prez should not do..and that is one of them...
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that the man is an absolute pig tho
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You tell me that Republicans like me are responsible for the mess this country is in, and then get pissy when I say Fuck you. Hmmm.
For the record, I never said I thought Bush should be tried in a world court. on that point, we are in agreement. Not that America would ever or could ever concede to something so ridiculous, unless the entire rest of the planet gangs up on us and opens a new Nuremberg Trial. Even then, we'd probably win anyway. I digress.
It doesn't take a lot of courage, in this day and age, to proclaim Bush a bastard, or to support abortion and gay rights for that matter. What other evidence that you possess a human soul would you like to put on display? Do you also think racism 'sucks'?
What I take issue with is your absolute dementia, your bi-polar, binary, 3-D Glasses view of our country. And Brane, yes, you do seek to squash dissent. Your rabid, frothing indictment of anyone you (in your infinite wisdom) deem to be a "Liberal" (only you really know what that means, apparently I'm one now, too) amounts to silencing dissent. What exactly do you have a problem with? Americans burning flags? Ok, yes, that's disgraceful. I agree, people who do that should have their lights knocked out. Is that, in your opinion, a much more pressing, more relevant, more important topic than, say, possibly trying to turn this ship around before we smash into a fucking iceberg? You're re-arranging the deck chairs, bud. If you spent a fraction of the energy you waste looking for bolsheviks under your pillow for actually supporting what you do have in common with fellow Americans who don't think exactly as you do, I think you might be surprised.
I might have been wrong about the finer details of your politics, man, but I'm not wrong about how much of a dick you are. You're an attack dog, a thug, and people like you are a gift to the most extreme aspects of any ideology. Why not give up your irrational hatred of the "liberal" boogyman and look around, you might find there are others who actually deserve your wrath. -
I felt like this was about as even-handed as you could expect - it beats up both parties for their scorched-earth hubris.
RECOUNT was basically how I remembered the process in 2000, and I think this is a nice little time capsule.
I'm also happy to see Danny Strong doing something new and different. -
For a second there I forgot this was a movie talkback, and not just a shit-slinging pit.
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I feel like shaking off my Brane battle. Want to go a few rounds, Morbid? Or maybe I should re-assert my conservatism and take on the Liberal Warrior?
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All Democrats are socialists, all Republicans are fascists. If we elect McCain, the LBJ 'Daisy' commercial will become a reality. If we elect Obama, he'll give all of our guns to illegal immigrants, outlaw the flag, and marry off white women to minorities. The answer?
Vote Brain Slug in '08. A chicken in every pot and a slug on every head. -
Rest in piece Sydney Pollack
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Good going, padawan. Way to keep the alliance going.
I could say you're on a roll tonight, Morbid, but you're far off what little game you have. Nitpicking LibWarrior's spelling? Is that what you do in lieu of making a point now? Is that what you've been reduced to? Desperate much?
Maybe you can just continue to bring LOLs into Brane's otherwise joyless existence. Your blooming friendship is endearing, and amusing. -
whoa... hold on there... you are completely twisting what Obama has said... he NEVER promised white men that he would get rid of their wives and he would NEVER saddle anyone with MARRYING a white woman... get your facts right
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R.I.P. indeed. Holy shit.
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Brane's contribution to democracy.
Applause, please. Everyone. -
May 26, 2008 9:07:26 PM CDT
"PONTIFICATING SO GRANDLY ABOUT HIS GREAT INTELLECT"
by bringingsexyback
Don't see any sign of him doing that, Morbid. More than likely a case of you feeling threatened by Lib, and lashing out like a child. Or like Brane. Same difference.
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May 26, 2008 9:18:06 PM CDT
THOSE SUPPOSED EXAMPLES DON'T AMOUNT TO PONTIFICATING
by bringingsexyback
You have any more you care to try?
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Do my eyes deceive me? Is there a rift in the Axis of Mediocrity?
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When it comes to BraneRobot (aka AnimalStructure & ThunderBalls), it's probably not in your best interested to side with someone who says things like this: "As far as abortion goes, the more the better. Everyone knows the majority of abortions are performed on Leftist scumbags, so it is fair to assume those little aborted fetuses would have grown into little aborted Liberals. Abortion is good for society." (Direct quote.)Just a little tip - from me to you.
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and Morbid is calling Brane "delusional" for not seeing things his way.
What a strange turn of events we have just witnessed. And only minutes ago, Morbid was making Brane LOL.
This is not just a love story, it's a tragic love story. -
Scroll up for Brane's latest declaration: in order to vote, you must be a property owner. No property, no vote. And that's a quote.
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...that's good to know. And if that's the case, I suggest you continue your trend and distance yourself as far as you can from BraneRobot. I'm talking like FAR away.
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HA! Bag it and tag it. I guess that's one for the archives.
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Notice how he read an exclamation mark where there was none? Try to focus, Morbid. Emotions lead to hate. Hate leads to the Dark Side.
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Not making any sense is another.
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But at least make some sense. Is that asking too much? Goblets of mead and big staffs? Maybe you need to rest. This was not one of your better days.
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they're the only ones without the glowing review. I haven't read most of these points and I'm not going to get drawn into more political bullshit, but congrats to Danny Strong for all the high praise. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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I believe there may even be a Pat's Kosher Delicatessen he personally waits tables for in Boca Raton.
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That movie was pretty fucking shitty, you can't deny that any which way you see the election.
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It's a simple question. Why not answer it since you laughably claim to decry hate speech ?
Though remind me, when you spoke of "Camel Jockey's" "Brown people" and "their funny ways of dress" spoke fondly of "Slobo" while trying to excuse ethnic cleansing and Genocide as well as making excuses for the K.K.K. why do suppose people might think you are one of the Lunatic fringe ?
BTW good luck in trying to scuttle away in shame & embarrasment from your previous statement, which was let me remind you "Do you own property? No? NO VOTE!" Such obvious wriggling is amusing to watch yes, but nobody will buy it. Man up Brane, you said it take responsibility for it, Batshit insane though it may well be. -
I just checked the latest "W" TB, and apparently we are in some sort of "alliance". I wasn't aware that AICN was hosting Survivor, but (especially after scanning this TB), you and I are fucked. I hate realizing I had a chance at winning a million bucks just after finding out I lost...
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did you find it boring...disjointed...please just dont say shitty...leave reviews like that for indy 4
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ladies and gentlemen, please welcome sean hannity to our talkbacks...i now take back everything ive ever said about the little nazi...he can write
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Alliance or not you certainly have a rapport with him so perhaps you can get a straight answer for a change.
Because the last time anything like what this Lunatic wants was inserted into the Voting Act was 1776 when White men with property had the right to vote but Catholics, Jews, Quakers and others were barred from voting.
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Mostly solid to very good acting, well paced on the whole and never let the complexities overwhelm it by keeping human faces the focus of the drama.
Wasn't perfect by any means the musical scoring I thought was a bit cheesy and we never quite had the passage of time from beginning to end of the entire debacle underlined clearly enough as the deadlines kept changing due to the events portrayed. But it definitely wasn't a lazy pastiche of accumulated TV News footage by any means. If anything the archive footage was used very sparingly to keep the actors the main focus.
Wilkinson, Dern and Leary were excellent. Hurt was good but maybe not forcefull enough. Spacey & Ed Begley were a bit too bland & one-note for me though spacey did improve that towards end.
A review is fairly irrelevant anyway as some will never be able to see past the subject matter.
If there ARE any glaring untruths I'm sure FOX and Friends won't be slow to trumpet them and write this off as an attack piece or propaganda even if they can't find any regardless.
But it WAS a TV Movie not a crude student polemic. It had plenty of attention to the central characters without neglecting the actual subject or the living outside world it took place in.
It was certainly a cut above most TV Movies if not quite a fully fledged Cinematic release.
Sydney Pollack was goin to direct but for his passing but I have no idea how different it would have ben under his attentions. All I can say is I still found it a very watchable film.
Oh and James Baker & Benjamin Ginsberg have largely given the film good reviews. Baker even had his own screening of the Movie. Ironically Baker has been quietly distancing himself from Dubya particularly on Iraq for a couple of years now which might have made an amusing postscript considering how the film ends. -
If not a third if I was to quantify it. Bit too much of a spacey vehicle in parts for my taste as the Leary character was interesting and very watchable.
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Gotta love that zany crypto-fascist, AnimalBraneBalls. He's nothing if not consistent -- the right-wing version of that left-wing loontard, zfisk/homewrecker.
Need ammunition to use on him? Just talk to him and he'll provide you with all the rope and intellectual bullets you need to railroad his ass.
He is the single most radioactive talkbacker on AICN, and he still thinks everyone is marching out of step except for him. I'm sure he thinks the uneasy looks he gets at the water cooler at work are because his co-workers envy him so. I'm sure he's just "waiting for the right woman", too. -
Just seeing the advertisement for RECOUNT made me want to get rid of HBO (which I will do when Big Love is over...my wife is a big fan). Why do I want to relive that nonsense again? Oh, and "It's too soon! No movies about 9-11!". Um, ok, no movies about the 2000 election. Whoops, I'm talking to Hollywood. Silly me. But they can make movie after movie busting on the USA and the troops....didn't Brian De Palma's film only make $68,000? Enough with the US and military bashing. If it weren't for the military protecting the USA, the only thing being "bashed" would be Hollywood's collective heads in the wall because they would be taken out for SPEAKING out...sure, make what movie you want, but when you only make a total of $68,000, get the message. Americans don't want to see their country bashed by their own, especially during a war.
Hey, before the year is out, a REMAKE of RECOUNT will happen...only this time, instead of someone writing a remake script...it'll be for REAL (Democratic convention with Florida and Michigan not in the equation). So much for "Every votes counts". Hypocrites!
Do you see people raising you know what about a bunch of dead people in Illinois voting for Kennedy in 1960? Where is the movie about THAT? Guess it's too soon for that film, too.
What I found amusing was that in 1960 Eisenhower told Nixon to challenge the election because of the fradulant votes, but Nixon, of ALL PEOPLE, said NO, because he didn't want to drag the country down in recounts if contesting. And this came from Nixon of all people...NIXON!!!!!!
Al Gore, nah, he wined and complained.
Just like the South Park episode devoted to the 2000 election...the CARTOON got it right...how many times do you recount? Until you WIN, then STOP recounting, 'cause it's over?
That I would believe in real life with the Dems. Get the result you want. THEN it's over!
Bush won the election. Whine and complain all you want, he did win.
The rules of the election 'game' are to get the most Electoral votes, not the popular vote. That would be why Bush and Gore campaigned heavily in states like CA and TX, because they have HUGE electoral votes. You didn't seem them burning themselves out in RI or DE, did you? No. Why? Too insignificant when it comes to Electoral votes.
Here's a silly analogy for what happened in 2000...in football terms.
It's late in the 4th quarter. The score is 21-19, Gore's team winning over Bush's team.
Gore's team has 500 yards total offense when combining rushing and passing. He has 21 points, from three touchdowns and the extra points.
Bush's team has 350 yards total offense from rushing and passing. Scoring consists of a touchdown with the extra point (7 points), plus four field goals (12 points), for a total of 19 points.
In the final moments, Bush' team gets down the field, and, on the last play of the game, lines up to kick a 50 yard field goal.
The kick is up...it's...it's...just BARLY over the crossbar! Bush's team wins 22-21!
Wait!
Gore's team throws out a red flag! They want to challege that Bush's team was offsides!
The referees review...no evidence of an offsides. The play counts.
Wait! Gore's team throws a second flag! They claim the ball didn't make it across the crossbar and that Bush' team missed the kick!
The referees review...they see that the ball DID make it over. The score counts.
Bush's team wins.
Gore's team complains that his team had 500 yards total offense, and Bush's team only had 350 yards of offense. (analogy, popular vote). This is true. Gore had more total yards.
The rules of the game are looked at again...the bottom line is who scores more POINTS determines the winner. Since this is the case, Bush wins because of the 22-21 final score.
Angry fans of the Gore team feel their team was robbed of the title.
CNN announces that Hillary Clinton wants to change the rules of the game and have total yards be what determines the winner as her first major act in the Senate (in real life, she told CNN that she would push in the Senate to remove the Electoral College. She never did.) -
Very cute. But Morbid has already denounced you. Do you have no shame, or is the love that deep? Looks like Stevie is making his move on the now available Brane though. What a soap opera you guys are. Pass the popcorn.
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Spacey was pretty good but often the story seemed to revolve around him - and it didn't need to, with such a good ensemble.
I thought Wilkinson was outstanding and I thought Leary was good whenever he showed up (which didn't seem that often).
Dern was also very good and actually humanized a living cartoon, but I almost felt like the portrayal was unfairly positive.
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BSB, Libwarrior, Brane, Morbid, G100, Samsquanch, Stevie. All the usual suspects. Brane, as always says dumb, offensive shit, then tries to justify - backpedal, and or revise. I thought you were making progress Brane. And Morbid, haha, poor Morbid. You do not have a clue do you? I think "Pathetic Morbid" is the new catchphrase. Brane and Morbid, seem to distance themselves from one another, then Brane, tried to make up. Stevie does seem to be showing his true colors, and they aint pretty.BSB, funny as always. G100, keep up the good fight. Samsquanch, as always you provide balance and reason. I was disappointed in the Libwarrior though, I wanted some more ha-ha out of him. Motarded, as always, is funny, and the takes Mule and coyote shit were funny, but were was the passion man? Not one 'diseased, purple pus dripping, armadillo twat' to be found. But you were right, Morbid provided his own smackdown. Give an idiot enough rope, and they will indeed hang themselves.
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I told you before about "Punching above your weight". Your doing it again son. You made a complete ass out of yourself with the Libwarrior. You said he was proclaiming his 'grand intellect', I read all his posts, and not one of them said anything about being smarter than you. Not one. But you just assumed by the way he was smacking you down, that he was smarter than you, and he is. You cannot even see how dumb it made you look to say something like that. Truly pathetic morbie. But funny as hell!
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I did not get a chance to watch it yet. Can someone tell me how the Supreme Court ruling is portrayed? I mean, do they take the Supremes to task for making a one time only ruling?
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The film/characters take the SC to task for making a one-off ruling and say that it has never been done in the history of the SC. Actually, they also go after them for basically pocket-vetoing the recount by basing their opinion on the deadline that their stay had caused the recounters to miss. There is an easier way to phrase that last part but I think you will get it.
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And I must say, that I never expected to say thank you to someone whose screen name is the same as the leader of the Taliban! I did understand what you meant though. The Supremes own dithering cause the missed recount date- which they could have simply resolved by telling the Florida court to waive the safe harbor in this case. But the fact that they did not, was so appallingly political, it boggles the mind.
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The movie is entertaining, though the bias is obvious, and will only really grate when watching how they portray Katherine Harris. Watching it a second time I was paying more attention to the music. They used it quite well to help sell the Dems as the heroes. Hell, you almost expect the Imperial March to start up when they show the Republicans.
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He supposedly comes across as machiavellian, as opposed to milquetoast - which Christopher is portrayed as. Who wouldn't want the former, if the latter was the only option?
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From the satiricalpolitical.com website ...
Supreme Court Stops Reruns of HBO’s ‘Recount’
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And are you trying to tell me that Nixon may have been less than truthful in Six Crises?!? Say it isn't so!
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I tried reasoning with you Brane. I truly thought that after you finally conceeded the point on the definition of genocide, and signaled you would not fight to the death on subjects and points that you had clearly lost, that you were going to be more flexible in your views. Wishful thinking on my part. I would not ever try and dissuade you from holding conservative views, because in fact I think it is very necessary that people hold differing points of view. It keeps us honest, and provides balance - to a certain extent. It would also be a damn dull world if we all agreed on everything. But when those views are as objectionable and heinous as yours, there is no middle ground. Own property to vote? That is truly disgusting Brane. Do you even realize why that is so reprehensible? How you would be disenfranchising tens of millions of people? And what would classify as 'ownership'? Having a mortgage, or owning it outright? Because if just a mortgage, you have flushed even more tens of millions out of the voting ranks. And if the property is in one spouses name, but not both, who would vote? But the most heinous of all is that the ownership of property in order to vote was one of the ways blacks were denied the vote after reconstruction. You would bring that back? You reveal yourself to be the monster everyone has always said you were. I read one of Stevie Grants posts werein he says - and I am paraphrasing, we should be happy that at least you respond because it makes the politically charged TB's more entertaining. I agreed with him - up to a point. It does make a TB more entertaining when a clash of ideas are presented. But there are other conservative leaning posters here who are not as monstrous as you. If you no longer appeared on this site, the vitriol would die down, but the exchange of ideas, and perhaps even the agreement on some, would continue. Last thing Brane: Do you have any friends on this site? I mean, people that you just send a hello to, and they respond in kind. People that you look forward to seeing pop up on the TB's, asking how there kids are, how the day is going. Asking if they liked the latest Indy movie? Just BS'ing and laughing sometimes? Do you enjoy these TB's for the communal feeling they can engender? If not, then why are you here? Yes, you have every right to be here - as long as you do not get banned again, but why are you here Brane? I feel sorry for you Brane, but I guess you would say that is because I am 'liberal'.
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The gang in Coax was very supportive and happy when Bizarro ChrTh was born. There's nothing wrong with civility and graciousness online.
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You twit. I do not have to support Libwarrior, he did that on his own, and by your stupidity in inventing his supposed mental superiority, and threats of physical violence, you have shown just how pathetic you are. I have read all his posts - I always do, because they are usually hysterical. I found not one threat of physical violence, not one proclaimation of mental superiority. You made those both up. Here is a deal for you: Show me or anyone ANY proof that Libwarrior threatened you or proclaimed his 'grand intellect' and I promise you I will not insult you again for an entire month. Two months. In fact, I will not address you at all for two entire months, regardless of what you say. Show the proof of the physical threat! Moron.
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Someone mentioned that Palm Beach usually votes for Buchanan more. That's true, but it's been overblown. We ran the numbers in my business stats class (yes, yes, I know what Twain said), and it came out to like a 97% chance that there was another aberration (i.e. the butterfly ballot). Of course, the professor was a communist (in a business program!) so he could've fudged the data ... but I doubt it.
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I agree, about the grace and civility. If all I wanted to do was post an opinion, I would pop in and do that and disappear. But finding like minded, or even those with differing points of view -who can be civil, is what brings me back. I enjoy a good debate, but I enjoy just hanging on an old TB with some online friends and shooting the breeze. Belated congrats on the birth of the bizarro Chrth.
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Still treat them with civility and graciousness. While I'm not taking sides here, if there is someone on the board you perceive is a troll (or just frakkin' off his rocker), don't respond angrily. Speak to them as if they're a colleague (er, presuming you don't hate your colleague and wish he or she was dead). If the person is a troll, they'll stop bothering you because they're no longer getting a rise from you. If they're loopy, well, maybe responding to them with graciousness may make them gracious as well. And then we can have intelligent debates on this forum.
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You can't look at numbers. You have to look at ratios. I don't recall the input numbers (this would've been back in 2002 or 3 that I did this), but it seemed pretty obvious to me that the Buchanan numbers in the 2000 election were skewed. But, since I don't have the hard facts behind me, I withdraw my assertion and put forward the idea that maybe the numbers need to be looked at differently.
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He's still getting used to this newfangled Internets, and grace and civility are not part of his character to begin with.
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even buchanan was under the impression that many of his votes in palm beach were meant to go to gore...by 2000, the jewish community pretty much hated pat as a result of his defending a nazi war criminal
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May 27, 2008 12:15:36 PM CDT
SAMSQUANCH TREATED BRANE WITH THE UTMOST CIVILITY AND GRACIOUSNE
by bringingsexyback
And was rewarded with a most rabid response. But with Brane, is there any other kind?
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How did they deal with the 7-2 SCOTUS verdict? Did they ignore it, mention it but focus on the 5-4, or give it its proper due?
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moved to exclude a number of absentee votes coming from Israel - most of which were obviously for Gore. I think Brane and Morbid, of all people, would find that offensive. Ain't that right, you two?
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Is he someone new to the political TBs? I don't remember him from the earlier ones.
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"Here is a deal for you: Show me or anyone ANY proof that Libwarrior threatened you or proclaimed his 'grand intellect' and I promise you I will not insult you again for an entire month. Two months."
He never did threaten you physically or otherwise. But you somehow jumped to the conclusion that he was going to."I simply pointed out that LiberalWarrior is so pathetic that he could only look worse if he was claiming physical superiority." Which he never did. But that did not stop you from thinking he would. Now, prove that he claimed 'grand intellect'. -
He may not have called for a recount himself, but he definitely put one in motion through his people. Don't believe everything you read in Six Crises.
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But that's a different talkback, I reckon
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Congratulations on your offspring. We watched the Jon and Kate Plus 8 marathon this weekend and wondered what it would be like to have 8 lil' ones. We concluded that 1 would be fine, 2 more than enough.
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But thanks anyway. My wife obsessively watches any of the quints+ tv movies. Deep down inside, it scares me.
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everyone here would love to have laura dern sit on their face
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My respect for him has dwindled significantly with every passing year of Bush's reign.
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This site has turned into AINTITmoveon.org
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Is it me, or was Florida incidental to two much more significant factors in 2000? One, this was Gore's election to lose and he duly choked up royally; he didn't even win his OWN state, Tennessee. Two, look at the turnout nationwide. Barely 55 percent of eligible voters bothered to get to the polls (4 years later, it scraped 60 percent, I think). Almost half the country stayed home: that's fucking pathetic for a nation that proclaims itself the greatest democracy. We get the government we deserve. Oh, the HBO movie? Fairly engaging, but this was the magnification of a sideshow.
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but her facial expression from Blue Velvet (you know which one) continues to haunt me.
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I thought Recount was quite level in the manner it portrayed the Dems and the Repubs. I don't know the personal habits of the people the characters were based on but outside of those aspects, the historical stuff seems pretty even handed.The Dems didn't "throw out military ballots", they questioned military ballots without a witness signature or dates listed and did not want those counted. A valid reason of practicality and not for any colorful reason you might dream up in a paranoid tizzy.Likewise, the republicans did not "fix" the vote or otherwise "steal" the Florida election. Just because some local bumpkin election official morons screw up their locals, doesn't mean it's a Machiavellian plot by Bush and his brother. Hell, just because certain machines all had similar results doesn't mean it was a conspiracy. I've seen real video footage of touchscreen machines screwing up in both parties favor!You can look at any event with "clear" hindsight and come to practically any conclusion you want. The truth is voting is a problem in this country. Both parties have tried to stack the deck but neither has gone over the deep end at this point. Voter fraud is not as rampant as believed but yet every city, state, and federal election are still counted and functionally maintained by private companies.If Recount was "liberal propaganda" out to smear the Republicans then what about the great moment when Baker is speaking of his becoming a Republican due to the help and support of his friend, George HW Bush, during his wife's death. I thought that was a great moment bereft of partisan schlepery.All the left vs right bullshit aside...I think we can all agree that this is a Democratic Republic and, as such, one of the most important things we have is our vote. Making sure that vote is protected, valid, and counted is paramount to our functioning democracy. Both sides of the political fence have been less than honorable in the past when it comes to voting and rigging the system in ways that give favorable outcomes. No one has the grand prize for assholery or integrity. No one has the 'market cornered' on dickheadedness or decency. No one is the 'perpetrator' always; and no one is the 'victim' always. You know this already, of course, even if you occasionally ignore it to prove a point.Now...would you please pass the JELLY?!?!!?!!?!?!?
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What a lousy candidate choice. Thankfully the Libs are back on the ballot in NC after the legislature removed them but the people spoke up. Of course, since I believe the 2008 election is a pretty unimportant one (don't worry, you'll see my essay in the Election Day talkback ... think of this as a teaser), I'm just going to vote Picard/Worf in '08.
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Unfortunately, it does not work that way in this world. Morbid, as others have described him, is harmless, if stupid. The best explaination is that he is a cipher. I could not agree more. Brane, on the other hand, is a differnt sort. He is monstrous. I have tried being civil towards him, and in fact we had a long exchange in another TB, where after I logically laid out why his definition of genocide was not only racist but preposterous, he finally conceeded -which he had never done before. It led me to believe that you could reason with him. But, he once again is back to his old race baiting hatred. There are some people on here that will argue simply to argue - whether they beleive in what they are arguing or not. Then there are others who like Brane, simply are monsters.
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Please, go on.
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Lay out your argument rationally. If they continue frothing, just ignore them and moveon.org, er, I mean move on. Everyone else will note what you've done. Responding in kind just causes conversational degeneration, and it brings others into the fray as well.
Always remember: never argue with an idiot, they'll bring you down to your level and then beat you with experience.
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How did a liberal, Jewish district end up casting a disproportionate share of votes for ultraconservative Pat Buchanan?
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By John Lantigua
Nov. 9, 2000 | As the nation waits for a recount in Florida to decide who the next president will be, all eyes are focused on Palm Beach County, the liberal, Democratic stronghold that gave Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan a surprising 3,407 votes -- more than three times the votes the ultraconservative candidate received in any other Florida county, and almost 20 percent of his total in the state.
Three Palm Beach voters sued late Wednesday to force another vote in the county, alleging that the badly designed ballot was illegal and caused Democrats to cast their votes for Buchanan when they were trying to vote for Vice President Al Gore. Even Buchanan jumped into the fray Thursday, telling NBC's "Today" that "it seems to me that these 3,000 votes people are talking about -- most of those are probably not my vote and that may be enough to give the margin to Mr. Gore." Shortly after, a federal judge agreed to hold an emergency hearing on the lawsuit Thursday afternoon.
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At the end of the day Wednesday, the Palm Beach County mystery deepened when it was reported that over 19,000 ballots were nullified for having more than one hole punched for a presidential candidate.
It's hard to imagine that liberal Palm Beach County, with its many Jewish voters, would turn out to be a Buchanan bastion. Buchanan is widely considered to harbor anti-Semitic sentiments, once praising Adolf Hitler as "an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in the Great War, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him." He has also written admiringly of Nazi Germany's efforts to counter the Soviet threat.
In 1992, the Anti-Defamation League charged that Buchanan had shown "a disregard or hostility toward those not like him and a consequent displeasure with the exercise of freedom by these others ... [a] displeasure expressed in a 30-year record of intolerance unmatched by any other mainstream political figure."
But where Buchanan earned three-tenths of 1 percent of the votes Florida cast for president, he drew eight-tenths of a percent of the presidential vote in Palm Beach County.
Gore's team dispatched a delegation of 50 workers to Florida to monitor the recount and to investigate the many reports of polling problems. Former Secretary of State Warren Christopher headed to Tallahassee to monitor the vote recount for the Democrats, while his Republican counterpart, James Baker, secretary of state in the Bush administration, performed the same duty for the Republicans.
The notion that a state led by Bush's brother Jeb holds the key to the election is a twist out of fiction, and raised intense concerns about the fairness of the election. The network's flip-flopping predictions about the Florida outcome throughout Election Night further heightened the mystery. Gov. Jeb Bush recused himself from responsibility for the recount. Meanwhile, Florida Attorney General Bob Butterworth, a Democrat and close Gore advisor, took a leading role in focusing attention on the alleged voting irregularities. Political analysts pointed to recent cases of rampant electoral corruption in Florida, including the last mayoral race in Miami, raising the possibility that the state's presidential vote may also have been sullied.
At the end of the day Wednesday, Bush's margin over Gore in Florida had fallen to a mere 790 votes, as Palm Beach County's recount added nearly 1,000 votes to Gore's tally.
Meanwhile, the Rev. Jesse Jackson flew to Miami early Wednesday and led a rally to protest possible voter fraud and intimidation. Democrats received reports that African-American voters were harassed by police in Wakulla County. "Highway Patrol troopers were stationed outside of those precincts with lights flashing and ticketing people," Florida Democratic Party chairman Bob Poe told ABCNews.com. "It was bizarre; it was like going back into the early 1900s," he said.
Other complaints focused on Volusia County, where Democrats complained that Gore's vote count dipped by 10,000 at one point, inexplicably.
But the most explosive complaints came from Palm Beach County, where officials said that Democratic votes that inadvertently went to Buchanan could provide the margin of victory for Gore.
"You look at ballots where people voted straight Democratic tickets, except that they voted for Pat Buchanan, and that tells you something is wrong," said state Sen. Ron Klein, D-Boca Raton. Klein said he had been assigned by the Gore-Lieberman organization to monitor the recount at the Palm Beach County Elections Department.
"You also have votes that were disqualified because people voted twice for the presidency. That also indicates that people were confused. This could be of such magnitude that legal action could be called for." He said that Democrats might seek a court order from a federal judge that would lead to repolling in the district.
Klein had no firm numbers for how many ballots might have been affected or if it would be enough to change the outcome in Florida and the awarding of its decisive 25 electoral votes. Absentee ballots arriving from outside the country could also affect the final balance.
Republicans branded the polling controversy a ruse. Victorious GOP Rep. Mark Foley said the Buchanan vote tally, only 0.8 percent of votes cast in the county, was not particularly high. He said that in his Florida district race, the Reform Party candidate had drawn 2,651 votes, indicating more Reform Party voters than anticipated. But Democratic county commissioner Bert Aaronson disagreed.
"I don't think we have 3,000 Nazis in Palm Beach County," he said, referring to the Buchanan votes.
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You're swiftly becoming one of my favorite posters. Still, I miss the ol' Battle Royale promotions of past talkbacks.
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Luckily for Republicans, the controversial ballot design was approved prior to the election by a Democrat, Palm Beach County supervisor of elections Theresa LePore. It featured the names of six presidential candidates on one page and four on the facing page. The names were staggered so that the holes to be punched would not be directly next to each other, but one atop the other. Arrows pointed at which hole should be used. But according to Democrats, the design still made it unclear which hole to punch if you wanted to vote for Gore and which to punch for Buchanan. Although Gore's name was the second on the left-hand side of the ballot, the hole that corresponded to his name was third.
According to the Democrats, Florida law specifies that voters mark an X in the blank space to the right of the name of the candidate they want to vote for and therefore the design used in Palm Beach violated the law.
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"Right means right, doesn't it?" said Jeff Liggio, a lawyer for the county Democrats. "The state law says right; it doesn't mean left." But GOP officials said that since Democrats had accepted the ballot prior to the election, it was legal.
LePore defended her work Wednesday. She said the two-page layout allowed larger print to be used.
"I was trying to make the print bigger so elderly people in Palm Beach County can read it," she said. "We sent out sample ballots to all registered voters and no one said a word."
But some voters voiced their complaints Tuesday and Wednesday. "I was confused so I asked for help," said John Lazet, 66, a retiree who lives in the town of Lake Worth. "I asked which hole do I punch for Gore. The woman working at the polling place told me to punch the second hole. Then she came back and told me she had made a mistake and that it was the third hole. She didn't even know, but she brought me a new ballot. I complained that it was too confusing and that others wouldn't know what to do."
Lazet said he went to LePore's office to complain and got into an argument with the elections supervisor, who defended her work.
Anita Rizzo, who runs a preschool in the town of Loxahatchee, said she also found the ballot difficult.
"'This is a little confusing,' that's what I said to my husband," said Rizzo, 57. "If Gore is the second name, then you figure you punch the second hole, but, no, it wasn't like that. Then I heard another person, an older lady, two booths down, yell out that she needed help. She said she was trying to vote for Al Gore. She was obviously having a problem. I didn't think more about it. Since then I've spoken to at least two other people who had problems, including one woman who punched the wrong hole and had to ask for another ballot. Why did this county have a ballot different than other counties'? I called the [state] attorney general to complain, but the more I hear about it the more frustrating it is."
According to Democrats, the design of the ballots hurt Gore, but not his Republican opponent.
"If you voted Republican you had no problem because the first name was Bush and the first hole corresponded to him," said Eileen Klasfeld, 50, a psychologist from Boca Raton. "But if you were voting Democrat, you could have trouble. I have a doctorate and I had trouble."
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You really are embarrassing yourself. But oh well, here goes -again. You said "LiberalWarrior gets to pontificating so grandly about his great intellect". I and others have defied you to prove that. And you can not. Hence you are an idiot. Moron.
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... seems to be an equal opportunity enabler in stuffing up election ballots.
Election Controversies
2000 was not the only time that LePore faced unfriendly public scrutiny of her work.
"Butterfly ballot" from Palm Beach County, 2000 election
"Butterfly ballot" from Palm Beach County, 2000 election
To accommodate the large number of Presidential candidates eligible in Florida, LePore designed a staggered two-page format with candidate names on alternating sides of a central punch button column. In the 1996 election,[3] the butterfly ballot caused an estimated 14,000 votes for the second candidate on the left (Bob Dole) to be miscast, but this did not affect the election outcome and went unnoticed at the time. In the 2000 election, the miscast votes would have been a decisive reversal and consequently achieved notoriety.
Responding to public anger at the punch card systems, LePore bought DRE voting machines from Sequoia Voting Systems in 2002. This choice came under fire from voting experts, notably Rebecca Mercuri.[4]
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I don't care what Spector did to it, Let It Be is a criminally underrated album. Better than Abbey Road or Sgt. Pepper? Nah. But I'd put it up against Rubber Soul or Revolver (I feel Revolver is overrated).
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How come every Beatles bio criticizes Maxwell's Silver Hammer? The song is frakkin' genius.
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Not a Beatles fan, but I'll take your word for it. :)
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"You are nothing but a scared, quivering piece of radioactive coyote shit brought to life by Morbid beating off on top of you while dreaming of a crack addicts toilet seat!" -A devasting blow by LW! That had to hurt!!!Will this latest destructive blow go unanswered? Can Brane withstand the devastating effect of LiberalWarrior's uppercut? We'll see how the fighter answer's the call in the next round. Now a word from our sponsor....Would you please pass the JELLY?!?!?!?!!?!!?!!?!Seriously, LW, you've got the multiple adjective/noun laced insult thing down bro. Creatively twisted and hilarious, I laugh every time!
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There have been elections that were fixed (mostly on a local level) and Dems have not been shrinking violets in that department. Republicans can justifiably point out some election irregularities in the past, that cost them seats. I don't beleive Florida was 'fixed' in the classical sense, I do believe that the political interests were put ahead of electorate though - when the opportunity arose. And Katherine Harris is a prime example of doing just that.
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While Katherine Harris was definitely biased towards the Republicans, the fact remains that the Florida law allowed her to certify the results when she did. She did nothing illegal. And you can only say that she put political interests ahead of the electorate if you believe that an endless wave of recounts would produce a Gore victory, and there is no evidence that's the case.
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Why do you hate democracy and the troops?
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They don't need the help
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Please give it up son. I have asked you a direct question, and you respond with another question. Once again: Show where he is "pontificating so grandly about his great intellect".
Because if you really think that saying 'smackdown' equates with pontificating grandly about intellect, there is no hope for you. I have encountered your type before, when confronted with a losing proposition, you go into repeating over and over again a mindless point. In this case, the word smackdown, suddenly equates with 'pontificating so grandly about intellect' You are so sad - but funny! I am really cracking up while typing this! -
I believe that by the rules of chess, either of you can declare a draw. Please move on.
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All of this stresses the need that the entire US needs a massive overhaul of how its elections are carried out. Firstly, that everyone entitled to vote gets to vote, secondly that the person they choose to vote for gets counted and finally if needed, the vote can readily be verified. They also need to get all of the partisan hacks of both parties completely out of the business of counting the votes or having anything to do with the verification of the election, so that it can be as independent as possible.
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The (documented) scene in which senior Republican advisor Mac Stipanovich orders Harris to "bring this election in for a landing with George W. Bush in the cockpit"
Katherine Harris, the Florida secretary of state who was also a co-chair of Bush's campaign in the state, promptly ruled that the deadline to certify the vote was the next day, and that manual recounts would not be permitted. When three of the counties requested that their manual tallies be included, she ruled against them. That is a pure politcial hack - regardless of what the election outcome would be. The Gore team created their own mess by not requesting a state wide recount, but by cherry picking. However, the United States supreme court, by entering the fray, and making an unprecedented one time only ruling - that had never been done before, and not allowing the recount to occur - because they had in fact dithered away the time, but who still could have ordered the Florida courts to do so, they are truly the shame of the election. Bush very well may have won the recount vote, but partisanship at the highest levels of our democracy, will always hang over that election. -
Morbid: No, I didn't say that. I just said that *by the rules of chess* a draw can be declared.
Brane: Believe it or not, BSB is not a troll. I've actually had some good arguments (and the occasional agreement) with him. He just slips into this 'troll mode' sometimes (for lack of a better phrase). But if you actually ignore it and try to discuss things with him rationally, he will respond in kind. He's actually who I was thinking of earlier when I talked about "responding to them with graciousness may make them gracious as well" -
So you're a fellow North Carolinian. I hadn't heard about the Libertarians being back on the ballot. I remember back in 2004 getting a letter in the mail stating that I would have to choose a new party because the Libs didn't get enough votes to have official party status in NC. I'm satisfied to be an Independent though.By the way, this TB is hilarious. As pissed off as I was in 200 over the election results, I think we, as a nation, got what we deserved. Too many people in this country have no foresight when it comes to politics, consumerism, the environment and their health. We need to hit rock bottom before we can finally make some real progress. Sadly, we're no where close to rock bottom yet.
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I'm beginning to think I imagined it. SCOTUS, by a 7-2 vote, declared that what the Florida Supreme Court did was unconstitutional. Period. The only partisanship was by the Democrat Florida Supreme Court. SCOTUS was right to shoot it down.
As for the 5-4 vote, yes, I know there are issues there. But the votes weren't completely on party lines (2 had been appointed by Republican presidents, 2 by Democratic presidents).
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Last week sometime, I think.
Personally, I hate North Carolina voting. The whole "straight party ticket" choice makes me vomit in my mouth every time I see mention of it.
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However, I personally didn't fall for that "one republican might have a heart, too" scene as I personally know quite a few republicans/conservatives with hearts. If, that is, you mean to imply that I don't believe republicans have a heart which is patently absurd (I myself hold views firmly entrenched in both camps, thanks!). On the contrary, I was indicating the moment as something preventing the movie from being nothing but a conservative hate-fest. Something a lot of people who call themselves 'liberals/democrats' might do inadvertently with anything "liberal" Hollywood makes. You didn't fall for the "everybody hates me, it's me against the world" thing did you?Come on man...part of my bullshit on these political tb's is that most of us have all kinds of shades of red and blue and black and white and ultimately gray. I'm more conservative than you on some things and more liberal on others. Only Siths deal in absolutes!And a running commentary is obviously best spoken and not written...I speak very fast so that wouldn't work either! Altho I can do a pretty good 'Macho Man' Randy Savage impersonation but that's not the same thing as commentating now is it?
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Speaking of hitting rock bottom, gas consumption is going down! We need to keep gas prices around $4-5 for the next year or so, maybe then we'll get some permanent behavioral changes.
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Yes, you first said you conceeded for arguments sake -although why you would do so unless you knew you lost the argument, is a mystery. But you then went on to say "Even if you weren't wrong about what genocide is." Now, does that sound like someone who is conceeding merely for the 'sake of argument'? Here is the entire post. "Let's say I cede your point about genocide for argument's sake okay? Now what? I still have the view that America has no business intervening in those affairs that have no direct correlation to American security. You're arguing semantics. Even if you weren't wrong about what genocide is, it still doesn't mean a thing as to what American foreign policy should be. Again, indifference is not advocacy! You seem to have a poor understanding of such terms."
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Pure win!
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Sorry 'bout that
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Thanks, C. MorbidBrane knows only diversion and evasion.
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The Florida Supreme court did render a partisan decision. But it was done in the sake of fairness - allowing the recounts to be certified, when Harris - a Bush operative, had denied the counties the right to a manual recount, and only given one day for all recounts. Had the Supremes stayed out, or at least balanced the decision by allowing the recount to unfold, and lets not forget they are the ones who dragged their feet and delayed the recount, if they had shown the fairnes, none of this would be an issue. Bush may have won and it would not be tainted. The supremes would have maintained their air of impartiality. The 7-2 vote was probably correct. But it was ultimately the supremes issuing a warning to lower courts not to do what the supremes themselves had just done - interjecting themselves in a partisan way into a political fight.
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is like lesbians talking about cock. May have some general familiarity with the subject, but certainly no meaningful expertise derived from firsthand experience.
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Why is it so difficult for you to admit that you are wrong about anything? I will admit it, I was wrong when I thought that you would not 'fight to the death' over a lost point. See how easy that is?
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I don't buy that for a second, toadkillerdog. I'm sorry. The law is what the law is. If Harris had tried to act outside the law then I could see the argument. But it was the Gore campaign that wanted to limit the recount to counties it believe it would grab more votes from. How is that fair?
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the best part of the 2000 election was when Dan Rather and the CNN crew went insane. That was high comedy.
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Now THIS is some funny shit! That was the passion missing from you posts of yesterday!
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Tell that to the Supreme Court, chrth.
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Did SCOTUS overstep its bounds? Yes. Would it have had to if the Florida Supreme Court hadn't overstepped its bounds first? NO.
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May 27, 2008 2:24:17 PM CDT
DON'T LOOK NOW, BUT MORBID IS LOOKING FOR FRIENDSHIP
by bringingsexyback
He's being awfully friendly in his most frequented pretend/fantasy place.
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Regarding your earlier question - "Who's this Brane character?"Was this ever answered for you? If not, do you recall AnimalStructure? ThunderBalls?I'll say no more.
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That would explain it. Hey, that reminds me: who's the latest incarnation of JarJarForPrez? Haven't seen anyone who qualifies lately.
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The damned gun-happy, war-loving, abortion clinic blowing up conservatives. And by "if Gore had won," I mean if he had been given the presidency. After all, he DID win.
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That may be all you have to say, but it certainly is not all that most will have to say when dissecting the motives behind the Supremes decision. Two wrongs do not make a right. If the Supremes had acted in accordance with their own tradition - regardless of what the Fla. courts did or did not do, then their reputation would not have taken the hit it has. I do agree that for the sake of our argument -See Brane that is how you are supposed to use that phrase, we are finished with the debate on this point.
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The village idiot.
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That's nationwide. Even with the tens of thousands of disenfranchised voters who got no say in Florida, he sneaked out with a "lead" of 537 votes. Now that's comedy.
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I'm nothing if not concise.
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MorbidBrane need all the clarification they can get.
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Wow, none of us knew that!
(I may be gracious, but I can be sarcastic, too) ;)
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Choo choo!!
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So I give him props for that
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Actually, my earlier post was truncated. I went on to say, something to the effect that two wrongs do not make a right, and that the supremes tarnished their reputation. Then I said for the sake of our argument - See Brane, that is how that phase is supposed to be used, I do agree that our debate is finshed on this topic.
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Ah, good question. My money is on "Jeff Albertson". Although it appears he's gone silent in the past few weeks. Keep your eyes open.BTW - there is someone who has posted in the INDY4 Talkback who I believe to be one of the most nefarious Talkbackers in AICN's history. I'm hesitant to call him out because I don't want to drive him away before we have him cornered.Just let it be known that we have TARGET ACQUISITION!!!
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and I totally recognized that I set myself up for the 'two wrongs don't make a right' line. And to that I can only respond: 'three rights make a left'
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but since I haven't seen the movie yet (maybe next week when I'm at the beach and can dump Bizarro ChrTh on an in-law), I need to avoid that talkback
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They both want branes
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Over half a million votes. What a joke. And all the Republicans can manage with all the legal maneuvering, in Jeb's own state even, is to squeeze out a mere 537 votes lead. There were more people in my theater watching Iron Man.
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Well, this guy's posts in the INDY4 TB are surprisingly tame and on topic. However, he made a few random appearances several weeks ago and his posts contained nearly all the trademark signs......the signs of one who wrecks homes.That's a clue. Heh.
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May 27, 2008 2:51:32 PM CDT
BSB - lets congratulate ourselves and drive Morbid up a tree!
by toadkillerdog
Nice going BSB. And Chrth, even though we agreed to disgree on some things, it was done in a civil manner, I congratulate you as well. MNG - and this will realy drive Morbid into spasms, good to see you here!
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But that's ok, my brain doesn't operate at 100% on this board, and Xenu knows I haven't crossed paths with every malcontent herein.
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Congratulations on another Mission Accomplished, TKD. Victory over MorbidBrane - just as sweet the 100th time as it was the first. It's a good thing they fail to understand how "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it", because MorbidBrane seem to be stuck in some repeating timeloop where they get Pwned time and again. You'd think they would learn by now. Thankfully, for amusement's sake, they don't.
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Ha! I know how you feel. Sometimes, when I read these TBs, I can feel my brain melting. (Especially when drifting through the filth of the likes of BraneRobot.)And the Talkbacker that I'm refering to appears to be our first candidate for the return of zfisk/homewrecker. It's still pending review...
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Quite right old man! The forces and goodness and rightness (not to be confused with the far right) and all the 'nessess' that are good and positive, have once again defeated the forces of baddies and branebots and moron Morbies!
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zfisk: that's a name I know. Didn't know about the homewrecker incarnation (although now that I think about it ... I may have seen it a couple times before but not made the connection). It's so hard to keep track sometimes.
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Did he update his blog?
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Holy shit?
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I believe he's been back for awhile now. (In a seemingly castrated capacity.) However, he never sticks around long enough for us to be sure. I'm not sure about the blog.
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...looks like Mori is "pwning" BraneRobot over in the HULK TB.
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...only one man or woman can stand at the top of the heap of bludgeoned flesh and powdered bone that is BATTLE ROYALE!!!!![Cue triumphant but ominous music]Did somebody remember to bring the t-shirts? Cause this whole thing is gonna be totally screwed up if we don't have any t-shirts. Either that or some glossy battle action shots. Notice the four panel giant LCD display? Yeah, dat's right! Spared no expense! Spared no expense!
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Those are some great leads you're giving out. I need to check out those TBs. Thanks.
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The endless fights goes on - think of the globetrotters vs the generals. Morbidbrane are the generals, who always lose. But they come back the next day.
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In one post you say:
"bacci40 - save that self-righteous bullshit! Your party SPIT on those very same Vietnam vets you now claim to hold in high regard when they came home. The Democrats have always been anti-troop. You think they are bloodthirsty pigs who rape children and kill indiscriminately."
good enough?
Also, you never cease to make these connections:
"A lot of Democrats are good upstanding Americans, but their party has been hijacked by far Left wackos like bacci40 who think we need to submit to a World Court. He cares nothing for our nation being sovereign. He is a Leftist shitpig who deserves no respect. He spits on the troops, the flag, the Supreme Court, etc. I bet he supports buring the American flag yet protests at a Koran being flushed down a toilet."
So I think I may be forgiven for having trouble believing that you can differentiate between what you consider a "vile leftist" and a member of the Democratic party.
Anything else you'd like me to back up while I'm at it? A bit of advice, man- don't pull that shit on me.
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the election was ratified, George W. Bush won… period. People need to move on. We do not need some fictionalized HBO film to keep stirring a pot that’s been empty for a long time now... almost 8 years!!!
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Imagine yourself making that same argument if Gore had been in the White House for almost 8 years.
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Laters
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... if the Supreme Court had voted to allow the recount to continue, then what were the possible outcomes?
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Well, that's a tough one. If I'm understanding the info correctly, the date for certification in Florida was fast approaching. Moving the date would've been extremely tough, but I guess an emergency session of the legislature could've done it? Not sure what the Florida legislature makeup was at the time, though. Also, the recount would've had to have been statewide, not just limited to the pro-Gore counties.
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Bush would've conceded because deep in his heart, all he wanted to do was chase possums on his ranch, which was what he did for 8 months after taking office anyway.
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I'd be president and everybody would have a kick ass rockin time. I'd invade Canada immediately (they've been asking for it). I'd legalize prostitution, gambling, zoophilia, necrophilia (with pre-death consent from the soon to be dead of course), I'd legalize sodomy with plastic plants (is this illegal? nothing that much fun can be legal...I've heard), same-sex marriage with intraspecies variations (who are you to tell someone they can't have true love with a turtle or a gopher?). I'd legalize running in the halls. Clothing would be optional all the time. Babies would have their vocal cords tied into remote devices only their parents can hear. Hmmm....so much more...I'd outlaw Shrek sequels too...tax payers or not...that abomination must be stopped. Hmmm....I didn't prepare a statement or anything...
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What most certainly would have happened is this: The deadline was rapidly approaching, so the Florida courts would have been instructed to push the deadline back. No need to involve the state legislature at that point. The lege might have been involved in working out exactly how the recount would go - in commitee, not full session. Once the details had been ironed out, a statewide recount would have taken place. None of that would have been illegal if the Supremes had mandated it, it just would have taken time. How much? No one knows. As to the ultimate winner, that is pure supposition.
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could've changed the due date. Even if they ruled it illegal/unconstitutional, it would still require a legislative action to set a new date.
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Very weird to get I Am The Walrus followed by Glass Onion when listening on shuffle
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You want to turn this into a semantic argument over grammar? I didn't quote you. I asked if you really thought Democrats hated America. It was a question, not a quote.
Dude, if you're really so desperate to defend yourself against these completely understandable impressions you leave with people, maybe our impressions aren't the fucking problem.
You're so offended that I was left with the impression that you believe that Democrats hate America, even though it took no effort for me to find two examples of your writing that say essentially that. You get upset that your good name has been smeared, and demand evidence (based on your own strict guidelines, after the fact) even though anyone who'd read anything you've written would be more than sympathetic to my impression. You cry foul, and yet you and I both know you're guilty as sin.
What are you really after? Do you want (need?) me to admit I'm wrong on this one, trivial point? Sorry man, no dice. Any one who knows me on this board knows I'm pretty fair, but that I don't suffer fools. Your last few posts have made you look like a fool, at least to me. I'm willing to respect almost anyone's opinion, as long as they show some basic respect; for the truth at least, if not for me personally.
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the movie didnt have the time to deal with the supremes decision...it mentioned both rulings...but im not sure why it matters...for the first time in history, the supremes made a ruling that only held for that one case, in that one time...talk about fanciful...if the equal protection standard was held for every election, we would have absolute turmoil...and that 5-4 decision remains asinine...we stopped the counting, but since you didnt finish the counting by the deadline, you cant start again? it was the ultimate catch-22...and the law is not supposed to be about a catch-22, and election of a president should not be based on a catch 22
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whenever I mention the 7-2 ruling to someone they give me a blank stare. It's like people think that the Supreme Court came out of nowhere to tell Florida to stop counting. I was just wondering if the movie maintained that fiction.
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as though we were part of his social circle, and that we even care.
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According to the December 5th, 2007 ruling by the U.S. Supreme court, the Fla. court did have the right to extend safe harbor without legislative approval -IF they could do so without using the Fla. Constitution as the basis for the decision. In a nutshell, the Dec 5, 2007 ruling nullified the earlier Fla. court extension of safe harbor, and awarded the election to Bush, temporarily at the time, because the supremes suspected that the Fla. court violated article II of the U.S. constitution. That article says that a State legislature trumps an act of the people. At least in the particular case of electors. Meaning the Fla. constitution is considered an act of the people, and if the Fla. court used it to trump the lege, they violated the U.S. constitution. However the supremes worded the unanimous reversal so that the fla. court, with just a little tweaking, and removal of the Fla. constitution from the decision, could indeed extend safe harbor. Ok, here is a link.
http://tinyurl.com/3m3qhh
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You may find that article Ironic, not to mention prescient
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when I'm title spamming out in the "real" world. I have to admit it looks a little silly. Good catch Morbid.
But you can slow down with the cozying up to me bit, okay? With Brane now gone 4ever, you must feel desperate to find another special friend but you and I don't have the foundation for that. Just come to grips with that, okay snookums? -
Ok, I admit I didn't understand everything in that article, but the decision in the article predates the 7-2 decision (which was coupled with the 5-4 'stop counting' decision) ... since SCOTUS once again shot down the Florida Supreme Court, my guess is that they were not able to do what SCOTUS asked them to do.
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Brane may be gone, but we're assured that his legacy will live on in the padawan that is MorbidObesity. Maybe Brane'll appear to you as a spiritual apparition, ala Obi-Wan, and give you support, and more importantly, companionship.
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May 27, 2008 6:59:54 PM CDT
I THINK MORBID IS IN PANIC MODE OVER BRANE'S DEPARTURE ...
by bringingsexyback
Sorry to have been the one to break the news to ya.
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is for anti-social loners like you, Morbid.
The rest of us, who aren't afraid of real life interaction, go out on weekends. Good thing you're "well-connected". -
(er, the Meat Loaf version, not the Celine Dion version)
That's what it was. The Florida Supreme Court refused to listen to SCOTUS. That's what I meant when I said they were legislating from the bench. The 5-4 'stop counting' decision was motivated in part by the frustation of the FSC basically ignoring SCOTUS.
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The 7-2 ruling had only to do with the manual method of recounting, not the safe harbor provision. And further, four justices wrote opinions offereing remedies for the recount. The 5-4 decision, was exactly what the article I posted feared would happen, if the court broke along party lines - which it did. That decision issued a stay to stop the recount. Once again, had the court not split along party lines the second time, then safe harbor would not have come into play. Nor did it really come into play at all.
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My knowledge has its limits, and in this case it's limited by the fact that I've been trying to supress the 2000 election in my mind for eight years now. I still retain the impression that the FSC was wrong, and I'll add that frankly, if Gore hadn't pushed it (i.e., conceded after the first 'final' recount), he would've won the election in 2004 easily. A lot of mistakes were made, and I'm not really enjoying picking over the bones.
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While the rest of us have to deal with all sorts of annoying mania on Friday and Saturday nights, you get to stay home, alone.
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I doubt you'll be having that much fun on Fridays or Saturdays any more ...
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Thanks for reminding me! It'll be in a few weeks. Truth to tell, I feel like I've been married for a while already. We're just making the parents happy at this point.
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It is the smell of a BraneRobotless world! Get used to it - at least until he returns in another guise. But inhale deeply now, and savor the smell free of vileness and hatred.
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What does 'motarded' mean?
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in every TB. Between feeling abandoned by Brane, and now finding out I'm "unavailable", Morbid's in for a long sob tonight.
As for attending the screening for the "surprisingly strong" The Strangers, only Morbid would think he's special for
(1) sitting in a theater full of "cretins who got their passes from some radio station"
(2) having time on a Tuesday afternoon to watch a movie.
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... that Al Gore (most likely with input by the people around him) asking only for a recount for 4 particular counties was a mistake. Even then, even though I knew as little as I did about about American politics that it made more sense to ask for an entire state recount. Regardless of the outcome, it would have looked better for the Democrat Party.
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I was joking around. It was BSB that said that alliance thing, not sure why though. I think it was because either I responded to one of his posts or he responded to one of mine or something along those lines. If you recheck this TB, you'll realize I haven't posted anything besides a failed attempt at humor.
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I am BY FAR the most intelligent person on AICN. Have been for years. In fact, I am so intelligent, my opinion of myself is *deflated* and I'm still way smarter than anybody.
But mine is a lonely burden to bear. Embrace your humility. It's the only thing that keeps you tethered to these fragile bonds which we call human society. -
These days as I get older, I basically consider myself your standard middle of the road type guy. I'll lean Left on certain social issues (we should do more to help the poor, make sure education equal and better for all, make healthcare more affordable), but then I'll lean Right on other things as well (taxes should be lower, there should be far less government interference in things, and I support the notion of a strong military that gets pulled out when or if anyone fucks with the U.S., at which point you bitchslap the aggressor hard and fast. SO hard and fast that you send a very, very clear signal that you NEVER fuck with us.That said, like most people I'm sure, I also believe in a fair, honest election and in the basic democratic ideal that all votes should count. Well, assuming you voted the right way...My Mom -- God rest her soul -- was an election official in my hometown. And the stories she could tell about "how" people voted wrong or "how" they got things wrong always made me laugh because it just went to show that people will still be people and no matter how hard you try, you'll still ALWAYS have boneheads that get things wrong. For example, one of the most COMMON mistakes that people always make is they'll go into a voting booth and they'll pull the overhead lever to close the curtain -- at which point the voting switches are now active. So you're SUPPOSED to simply push them down and THEN pull the overhead lever to re-open the curtain, at which point they go up and your vote is registered. We've all done that, right?But my Mom would always talk about how many people would stupidly push the levers down and then push them back up...thinking THAT registered their vote...and THEN they'd open the curtain, not realizing that they had now NOT voted AT ALL. And later in the night, as they'd tally the votes, she and the other women would always roll their eyes at the number of people who had signed in versus the number of actual registered vote -- all because people stupidly had negated their OWN freakin' vote. And no matter how hard she and the other women working there tried to explain it to people...no matter how much they asked people "Do you need help? Do you want us to show you on the sample machine how it works?"...the moron contingent would still get it wrong. And when they tried paper punch cards, the same thing. No matter how much the poor ladies working there tried to explain things, you still had a moron contigent that simply couldn't grasp the idea of fucking marking a card the right way or punching a hole correct.But as I said, I believe in a fair election...in counting things right...and back in 2000 I had no problem waiting for a full and proper recount to be done. Hey, the will of the people be done, right?But then it just got nasty...BOTH sides were guilty of pulling tricks, truth be told...but then Gore lost me when he ONLY wanted to recount 4 heavily Democratic districts. And that's when I said "Fuck you. Either recount it ALL or don't count ANY of it at all. You have to live with whatever the system did produce." But I thought it was utter bullshit when the Gore people trotted out two old ladies (or whatever it was) and they tried to hang their whole argument on the notion that they got confused...they thought they had accidentally voted for the wrong person...and thus were entitled to a do-over. Fuck that shit, too. If you're too stupid to punch the card right, that's YOUR mistake and YOUR problem. If you're voting and looking at your watch and saying "I want to get home to watch TV" and in your rush you mark the wrong thing, that's YOUR mistake and YOUR problem. And for the Gore people to even say AFTER the fact "well, the ballots were confusing", let the record show that a Democrat designed the infamous Florida ballot...the DNC signed off on it's design...and so did the Gore campaign people, too. So don't tell me that everyone SAW the ballot in advance...thought it was okay...and THEN come to me on election night, when you've lost, and say "Gee, I think we should have a do-over because the ballot confused people." Uh-uh, you don't get to play that game either.So I agree with Shan above. Gore should've bet the farm on a FULL recount of the WHOLE state. But to be in a tight race where you're ONLY looking to pick up a few hundred votes so you ONLY want to recount 4 districts that you already KNOW heavily favor you, is where I said "Oh, fuck you, Al. Now you're just being a fucking baby" and I thought Bush deserved to be declared the winner...
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...don't you people have ANYTHING better to do?
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I guess the stress of losing his BFF Brane, and losing hope of ever 'having' me, the object of his talkbacking desires, has led him to reveal his preoccupation for cock and sucking.
Despite our understandable skepticism that Morbid knows anything about blowjobs, it's safe to say that after a weeknight date with, well, himself, he goes home and engages in a bit of auto-fellatio. But don't feel bad for the man, because for lonely anti-social recluses, it is paradise. Just be glad he hasn't broken his neck.
As for Brane, well, he knows all about lies, you see. Because to this day he hasn't given proof of ever going to NYU and having a "Non-Liberal Creative Writing Instructor". And of course we know that NYU students never, ever go out on weekends.
But hey, maybe he and Morbid can hook up every Wednesday. They have so much in common, and Morbid will finally know what it feels like to have a mouth on his dick other than his own. -
What the fuck are yall doing? I've only read the few postings around my latest, and I have zero clue about what yall are arguing about; probably, cause yall ain't arguing. I know this is a geek website, but giant, fucking, hissyfit bitch-fight rants are never acceptable (for adults and, especially, men).
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May 27, 2008 10:47:44 PM CDT
They didn't have that fat guy goin' cockeyed looking at a voting
by mrmysteryguest
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May 27, 2008 10:52:18 PM CDT
AND BRANE, DO COME BACK AFTER YOUR FIRST DATE WITH MORBID
by bringingsexyback
and tell us what he smells like. Because now we know you like to sniff dudes.
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between afternoon and evening. But not on him sucking his own dick. Interesting.
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is of interest to anyone other than himself. Self-esteem is one thing, but having a grossly over-inflated and unwarranted opinion of oneself is another. But it would make sense that someone who auto-fellates would be prone to stroking his own ego.
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I don't know if you ever saw a certain SNL skit, but, when the day comes that interweb-bonded losers can kiss their own pickles, I imagine AICN's dies.
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In Morbid's case, he dates himself in the real world, and comes here to fulfill his fantasy social life. He's got it made, if one is into that sort of delusion.
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to change the topic, auto-fellatio: gift from God, or check-mate from the gay conspiracy? Please discuss
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is an invaluable contribution as a movie critique. That's, um, nice. Maybe you were Brane's creative writing instructor, because he's about as illuminating as you are.
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May 27, 2008 11:28:50 PM CDT
Did anyone actually watch this...? Any thoughts?
by youareallmybastardchildren
Or are people still here just bitching about partisan politics? Blarney.
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and your valid point. You're interrupting anonymous strangers insulting each other over.... something.
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May 27, 2008 11:34:44 PM CDT
I SEE MORBID IS NOW WAITING WITH BATED BREATH FOR MY POSTS
by bringingsexyback
How would he react if I left him hanging, as real life evidently has? With his fantasy world shattered here, will he mentally break down (more than he already has), or perhaps seek a Yahoo chatroom for solace and companionship? Shall we find out?
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Doing exceptionally well and feeding my sadistic streak with Morbid here.
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Thanks for that long-winded and illuminating story about the moment you said "Fuck you, Al." Following in your footsteps I will forever tell the tale of this--the exact moment I said, "Fuck you, Big Dumb Ape." Had you watched the damned movie or read any one of the four books it was based upon, you'd already see the faulty logic in your declaration that the entire state should have been recounted. The truth is that (1) no one would have allowed a true full recount--they didn't even end up allowing the partial recount, and (2) there wasn't time enough for a full recount. Gore won the popular vote anyway, so who gives a shit what you and others believe was cheating on his part. The man won fair and square. And had he been rightly given that title, there may have been no 9/11 (no matter how much you bastards try to blame it on Clinton) and there definitely would not be a war in Iraq. Also there would not be a recession and $4 a gallon gasoline. Also, Gore would have signed the Kyoto treaty. You conservatives make me sick.
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Hillary Clinton steals the Democratic nomination from Obama in 2008 by counting Florida and Michigan, and paying off Superdelgates!
Superdelegates = "Gee, we in the Democratic Party want the public to pick a candidate, but just in case we think the general pubilc is a bunch of morons, we'll override THEIR vote for ours!" Not even the Rebublicans, in their infinite wisdom, have Superdelegates.
Obama protests because he voluntarily withdrew his name in Michigan to apease the DNC's request that Michican doesn't count. He calls for another vote.
Hillary Clinton protests, saying, "Hey, the voters have spoken! Follow the rules!"
Obama protests! "Hey, I followed the request of the DNC! My name wasn't on the Michigan ballot!" RECOUNT!!!!
Recount 2: Election Bogaloo! Coming Soon to a DNC Convention near you!
SOLD!!!
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"The truth is that (1) no one would have allowed a true full recount--they didn't even end up allowing the partial recount,"
Um, every vote is supposed to count. The FULL recount should have been allowed vs. just, what was it, four counties that Gore requested (heavily Democratic counties), not to mention the suggestion that absentee ballots from the military be thrown out.
"and (2) there wasn't time enough for a full recount. Gore won the popular vote anyway, so who gives a shit what you and others believe was cheating on his part. The man won fair and square."
Um, because he won the popular vote doesn't mean he won the election. The election goes by the ELECTORAL COLLEGE, NOT the popular vote. That's why both Gore and Bush campaigned hard in big states like CA and TX. You didn't see them going nuts in RI or DE, did you...so like a Liberal, let's change the rules of the game after the game has been played? Bush won. Even when the networks did recounts of votes months after the election, Bush still won. Hey, want to change the rules of the game and go just with the popular vote? FINE. I agree with that concept. But you can't change the rules of a game after it's been played.
"And had he been rightly given that title,"
Why should he have rightfully been GIVEN the title?
there may have been no 9/11 (no matter how much you bastards try to blame it on Clinton)
Um...not true. The terrorists were already here. No matter who was President, 9/11 was going to happen. And you can blame Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan, and Carter for all of this, not just Clinton. From the Iran hostage crisis, to Beiruit, to the first Gulf War, to 1993 WTC to the USS Cole, EVERY one of the previously mentioned Presidents handled the situation wrong.
and there definitely would not be a war in Iraq.
Now that we agree on. Gore is too much of a woosie to do anything over anything drastic. I can see President Gore now, apologizing to the terrorists on 9/11 that those two buildings in NYC were in their flight path, and that was be America's fault.
Also there would not be a recession and $4 a gallon gasoline.
I remember hearing before the 2000 election the media acknowleding that whoever becomes President, Gore or Bush, that they would be inherating a recession from Clinton. $4 gas? Worldwide demand is much higher now, especially with China and India, both countries with over a billion people, industrializing like crazy. If we were drilling more in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska like we could have been in the 1990's, we wouldn't be in the fuel mess we're in. Think of it, Bush had to go to Saudia Arabia to ask them to drill more, but WE WON'T. Hey, China and Cuba are drilling not far outside of Florida, but WE CAN'T?
Also, Gore would have signed the Kyoto treaty. You conservatives make me sick.
Kyoto is a failure. China signed it. Guess what...all China's obligation with Kyoto is is to, wait for it....tell other nations they should sign on. China is classified as an industrialzing nation, therefore, Kyoto environmental rules don't apply to them. And they are now the worlds biggest polluter. That would be why new environmental rules are being attemtped in the world so that every nation is on board, without exception.
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You're kidding, right? It was completed when he was Vice President. In fact, Gore didn't even push to have it signed. In fact, Gore's biggest triumph during the Clinton years was NAFTA, which hurt the environment. In fact, Gore didn't become an environmentalist until after the 2000 election, and based on how much energy he personally consumes, I have doubts that he's an environmentalist now. In fact, I used In Fact way too often.
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Are we still in this thread? It's time to move on. How about the Schrute in Transformers thread?
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Gore too much of a wussy (that's the correct spelling by the way)? To what? Blindly attack the wrong country? Your gung-ho war-loving D student 28 percent approval rating asshole of a President was hellbent on attacking Iraq and Afghanistan but didn't have the balls to attack Saudi Arabia. I mean, if you really wanted to go after the terrorists, that's where'd you'd go, right? Just because you fuckers keep saying the war in Iraq is a war on terrorism doesn't make it so. Al-Qaeda represents less than three percent of the insurgents there. That is not a hotbed of Al-Qaeda activity. Face it: we invaded the wrong fucking country. How this doesn't embarrass every single American is beyond me. But then, how Bush doesn't embarrass every single American is beyond me, too. But then, let's be honest, patriot or no, there are a lot of dumb Americans still out there (as Bush's fans prove). After all, something like 10 percent of Americans still think Obama is a Muslim. People can't be bothered with the truth when they have slanderous, ignorant e-mails telling them what to believe. Look at the smear job Bush did on McCain in 2000, telling southern voters that he had illegitimate black children. No one bothered to find out the truth.
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Interesting your response almost ONLY had to do with Iraq War, and NOTHING ELSE I said was challenged (added a statement about Obama). So, you feel you only have 'ammo' on the Iraq War and not the 2000 election, Kyoto, or anything else I stated?
I'll make my response simple. What Bush did in Iraq is absolutely NO DIFFERENT from what CLINTON said he WOULD do in 1998. Only Bush actually went in. Clinton didn't.
Fact.
"Saddam Hussein is a threat and must be stopped" came from both Presidents. Only Bush acted.
Oh, and Bush put up with how many months of going through the UN? Meanwhile, Clinton went into Kosovo WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE UN! It was strictly a NATO operation. So...can we now start busting on Clinton for going after Milosovic and bombing a 'sovereign nation'? AND he didn't go through the UN. He just attacked. Hey, we attacked the wrong country! Milosovic was a mass murder. So was Hussein. Um...I'll let you elaborate on this one.
Oh, and Obama being a 'muslim'? Kinda hard to believe with his CHRISTIAN pastor being in the news all the time...oh, wait, didn't the CLINTONS reveal all of this pastor stuff? Maybe you should be attacking THEM instead.
Speaking of Muslim, amazing how NOBODY is "allowed" to say Obama's middle name, "Hussein". But if, say, McCain or Bush's middle name was "Stalin", we'd never hear the end of it. Speaking of Stalin, that's what libs like. Stalinistic tactics. Shut people up. -
What irritates me the most is when someone criticizes Bush, and then the automatic knee-jerk reaction from republicans is to invoke Bill Clinton's shenanigans as if Bill Clinton is a liberal. Bill Clinton is a centrist. He may be more socially liberal then a republican but his foreign policy sure wasn't "left" by any means.
Also it comes down to how issues are covered in the media. Take abortion for example, the media likes to make a left vs. right issue but the truth is, when polled the majority of americans want it safe and legal(this is not counting third trimester which is pretty much it's own issue itself).
The media is obviously playing a much bigger role in who people vote for then the issues themselves because when polled the public routinely comes down on the left side of most issues, yet votes for candidates from the right more often.
One last issue I have is that so-called "disconnect" between coastal people and people from "america's heartland" Now, I am sorry but this is a bunch of media manufactured BULLSHIT, that people need to stop buying into. There is NO CONTEMPT between all of us. I am from California, however a poor economy is a poor economy no matter where I or anyone else lives, the Iraq war is happening and affecting EVERYONE. I am so f'n tired of the media trying it's best to divide this country by this "blue state/red state" horseshit. -
Maybe it was the difference in how to go about "stopping Saddam"
Clinton took a containment approach, which basically meant that he would never let Saddam develop any type of nukes or chemical weapons, and used inspectors to verify this. Saddam was contained.
Bush on the other hand felt a full scale invasion of Iraq was the only way to prevent Saddam whatever he felt he was doing, but the fact that no WMDs have been found to this point, kind of reflect that the containment strategy was working. -
CL - The supremes intervened in the Fla. courts decison not because of the four county recount, but because they believed it violated article II of the U.S. constitution which, in that particular instance, allowed the state legislature - in the form of the safe harbor statute, to trump the 'will of the people', in the form of the Florida constitution, which the Fla. courts used to extend safe harbor. Node, in all likelihood, a Gore Presidency would not have stopped 9/11 from happening. The planning was years in the making, and the warning signs were ignored. The F.B.I. ignored warnings from a field agent who had come across suspicious flight simulation training. There is very little reason to believe that a Gore presidency would have made the F.B.I. more cognizant of the warning signs.
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To the blatant partisanship of the Florida State Secretary, who would not extend the manual recount deadline beyond Nov. 14. Which she had the power to do. A documented encounter between Harris and senior Republican advisor Mac Stipanovich, who orders Harris to "bring this election in for a landing with George W. Bush in the cockpit" should be convincing enough of her partisanship. However, she was also a Bush operative within Florida - which is perfectly legal, but compromising nevertheless. The Fla. court acted to allow the recount deadline to be extended. Bush later on appealed to the U.S. supreme court, who in a unanimous decision, told the Fla. court that they applied the wrong logic to the case - the article II provision that I mentioned in a previous post. Here is a link that explains it all in detail. http://tinyurl.com/3m3qhh
In short, the U.S. supreme court in its first ruling, did not prevent the Fla. court from extednding safe harbor because it was inherently illegal, or unfair, but because the underpining (the Fla. Constitution they relied on) was trumped by article II. All the Fla. court had to do was remove the Florida constitution from it's argument. Now, had the Supremes stayed out of it after that, then all would be well, but what happned next was pure partisanship by the SCOTUS. In the first unanimous ruling, Scalia came up with the article II argument because he knew that the court would split 5-4 along party lines if it came to an outright rejection of the Fla. Court extending the deadline, and no one wanted that. The compromise article II, was exactly what was needed. But when the issue came back to the Supremes a second time, they did indeed split along party lines. There were two votes. the 7-2 decision, and the 5-4 ruling. The 7-2 ruling only dealt with equal protection under the constitution clause, in that the method of the manual recount might deny a fair accounting. But, in fact, four justices wrote on how that could be corrected. It was the 5-4 ruling, that stopped the recount process dead. There were actually two 5-4 rulings. The first stopped the recount on Dec. 9. The second, on Dec 12 - which is when the 7-2 ruling occured, concerned remedies that would have allowed the recount to continue. That was the partisan split that the court avoided the first time around. And whether you believe Bush or Gore would have ultimately won the recount, it is severe blemish on the SCOTUS, because not only the blatant partisanship, but because it was a one time only ruling. Here is a more concise recap of the Dec. 12 decisions. "Tuesday, Dec. 12—The U.S. Supreme Court rules in Bush v. Gore 7–2 to reverse the Florida Supreme Court, which had ordered manual recounts in certain counties. The Court contends that the recount was not treating all ballots equally, and was thus a violation of the Constitution's equal protection and due process guarantees. The Supreme Court of Florida would be required to set up new voting standards and carry them out in a recount. The justices, however, split 5–4 along partisan lines about implementing a remedy. Five justices maintain that this process and the recount must adhere to the official deadline for certifying electoral college votes: midnight, Dec. 12; other justices question the importance of this date. Since the Court makes its ruling just hours before the deadline, it in effect ensures that it is too late for a recount. The decision generates enormous controversy. Those objecting to the ruling assert that the Supreme Court, and not the electorate, has effectively determined the outcome of the presidential election. As Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg writes in a scathing dissent, “the Court’s conclusion that a constitutionally adequate recount is impractical is a prophecy the Court’s own judgment will not allow to be tested. Such an untested prophecy should not decide the Presidency of the United States.”
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For Bush "winning" that recount. Hopefully President Obama takes the environment as seriously as Gore would have. Its sad that this green movement is starting 8 years later than it could have.
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May 28, 2008 11:56:52 AM CDT
The problem Coughlins Laws, is that it was all partisanship
by toadkillerdog
Both on the Democrat side and the Republican side. Harris's compromised position - being a Bush operative, and the deciding voice in an extension, should not have been a factor. The Fla. court acted - in a partisan way no doubt, to allow the will of the people, to be heard. People can argue until the cows come home over whether the will of the people, in the form of ballots cast, should trump a legislative deadline, but what is not in dispute is that once the recount got underway, pure partisan politics all the way up to and including the SCOTUS, tarnished the results. Bush may have won, but the way it sullied the SCOTUS, has left a permanent stain on our Democracy.
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was right!
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relax man. Seriously, you are going to have a heart attack. Besides, Coughlin pretty much countered every point you made and you are coming across looking like a beaten dog. Why don't you try and salvage your ego and post in the Sex and the City TB.
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For a whiny little pup, you sure come across mean when you call me "glovedouche" My feeling are hurt. If Gore was President I'm sure there would be a law against you hurting my feelings. I say, go fuck yourself ,Sir!
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has hanging chads in his mouth!
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when he participated in a "gay pride" march. Unsatisified with a penis, he resorted to using a riot baton to satisfy him sexually in the anus.
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It's so over Node. you got your ass handed to you...maybe you can go the the Prince Caspian talkback and reclaim your manhood..
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Great posts, man. I enjoyed reading them. Thanks
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For close to a month and a half, the greatest nation on earth, the bastion of democracy and freedom, was reduced to a banana republic in all but name. Consider how we would react if we saw this scenario played out in the third world: A highly contested election that comes down to one province controlled by the son, of a former leader of the Country, whose other son is now running to be elected leader. Questions of voter fraud, and deception run amuck. An operative of both sons, decides whether to allow a recount to proceed past a deadline that could be easliy extended, but is thwarted by an opposition loaded court, who then are trumped by a higher court loaded with members of the former leaders party. Bush won the election, but the reputation of the highest court in the land took a hit that will stain it for a very long time. And that is without a doubt, period.
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Take this challenge. Go to any banana republic at any time of the day and I bet you that there are at least 7 asian people.
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Coughlins Laws, your debate with Node has been pretty interesting. One huge thing I take issue with:
Criticizing our foreign policy and recognizing that there is in fact a track of events that lead to terrorism, including building military bases on holy sites in the Middle East, as well as our support for Israel, not to mention a brutal continuing occupation, is not tantamount to "hating America". You have to understand this. By allowing yourself to understand the events that led up to 9-11 is not unpatriotic, it is, in fact your duty as an American to know how and why it happened, as much as we can ever understand the motives of murderous terrorists. None of this implies complicity, much less sympathy, for their motives, it is simply understanding. Anyone with half a brain knows that Al Qaeda didn't attack us because "they hate our freedom", there have been decades of cause and effect at work, and most people in Washington knew that a direct attack on the U.S. mainland was probably an inevitability. I imagine that a lot of those folks breathed a sigh of relief on 9-11, and said "well, at least it wasn't a nuke."
All this to say, pick your battles. To understand the terrorists is not to excuse what they did. Hopefully, it will lead to more rigorous vigilance and more effective prevention. You can't see what's coming if you've got your head shoved up your own arse. -
The 2000 Gore decision just pisses liberals off because it went against them and their guy.
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you are calling Brane "spinless", but you are attacking him annoymously on a TB. Super job, cupcake!
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Loyalty to your government when they deserve it.
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im very drunk
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Liberal, it wasn't rape. Your mom consented fully. All it took was a banana for the bitch to give it up.
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what is the deal with you and Monkeys? I'm going to help you out...Instead of repeating yourself with different apes and primates, try using other mammals. Here's one. Badger-raping. Also, feel free to try aquatic life. Jellyfish-filled, shark-shit. Now, you try!
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It isn't about blame at all, whether blaming our own policies, a particular president, or an enemy. All I'm advocating is using intellect on the problem, without making it too much about anything else. If you refuse to understand the situation, you're only handicapping yourself. I get what you're saying, that you don't think it should be our job to seek understanding, since we were the ones attacked, but trying to see the big picture, and seeking to understand the scope of the problem is an advantage for us.
America is more than it's current leadership. I personally can't trust any politician who does his best to blur the lines between himself (or by extension, his party) and the nation. That's some sneaky, underhanded shit. The soviets did that shit. I don't blame 9/11 on Bush, but I'm against the war in Iraq, totally. I believe it was a wrong turn for this country, and yes, I do believe it will cause more terrorism that it prevents. You're right when you say that it is a president's job to do what he feels is in our nation's best interests, but it is also our job to call him out when he does something that could harm this nation.
Again, I have to stress, it isn't about laying blame, but that said, you can't give our own policies a free pass, and you also can't just pass off the terrorists by waving your hand and saying they're crazy. Of course they're fucking crazy. But why? If we can at least try to figure it out, maybe we can prevent it in the future. The war in Iraq and the larger war on terrorism is the wrong way to go about it. You don't prevent terrorism by attempting to shoot all the terrorists one at a time. You discredit them, strip them of their base, their motivation, isolate them, seed discontent within their ranks... etc. Sneaky shit. But sneaky shit that works for us, rather than agaisnt us.
One last point- you may disagree, you may disagree strongly, but it's never about evil. Bin Laden did not fly planes into buildings because of some abstract concept of human evil. The result was certainly an evil thing, but there were actual, real intellectual motives. There was reason and rationale behind what he did, as twisted and perverse as they were, but they were there. To call it evil is to ignore his responsibility in the act. -
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I'd like to see the true version instead. With the help of a rogue Florida State Supreme Court, Gore tried to steal the election until his litiginous antics, which precipitated a Constitutional crisis, were stopped by THE Supreme Court. Didn't see it all, but Gore's cronies would have never celebrated the state court decision to count ALL the votes. Gore never wanted that despite the oft repeated mantra. He wanted only to count 4 heavily Democratic counties where he could pick up the most marginal votes for himself. I don't think the film ever revealed that the butterfly ballot and the polling places in question were created and run by Democrats or that subsequent recounts paid for by major anti-Bush newspapers showed unequivocably that Bush won and Gore put the nation through this for nothing. The most Gore could have actually done, according to the state constitution, was throw the election into the Florida Statehouse that was heavily GOP. It never would have come to the recount if Dirty Trick Gore hadn't made public a previously expunged Bush DUI the Thursday before that tightened the race or if some networks hadn't called Florida for Gore while polling places in Florida's heavily GOP panhandle were still open for another hour.
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I already kicked your ass. No need to do it anymore. I was hoping you might be a challenge. If you practice real hard, I might come back
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US lives are more important than terrorist lives, I completely agree. But do you understand what I'm saying about evil? Evil is in the consequences, it isn't a person. If it's enough for you to say that he did it because he's evil, it keeps you ignorant of the real reasons he did it. Calling it evil is a placebo, it prevents unlocking the bigger mystery. If you can't solve a puzzle, is it because the puzzle is evil, or is it because you haven't tried hard enough?
Also, dude, I have to say this again, I guess, but no one is asking you to justify anything. You "refuse to justify what he did and plans to do." Well, good for you. I refuse to justify what he did and plans to do to. The difference is, I'm actually thinking about it. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but you seem like a pretty smart guy, and I'm just trying to get you to think about it too.
You're right, he did declare war on us. So we fight that war. We meet him on the battlefield. But what battlefield? Where? Who is the enemy? Civilian Iraqis? Sunnis? Shiites? Saudi Arabians? The entire Muslim world? We have to be smart, we have to be civilized, especially when our enemies are savage, because we're America, not some backwater. We win by being better than our enemies, not by meeting them on their shitty level.
And who gives a shit if Bin Laden thinks we're weak? You want to show him we're not weak? Beat him. Use your brain. -
Because Bush didn't fuck it up enough.
Long time, no see. Where've you been, sunshine? -
Get over it. It's been 8 years.
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But Chrth? really? He seems like a smart dude. And you forgot Xiphos.
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He reams Bush and the NeoCons right in the skull with this one. Meanwhile, the White House has "no comment because they have not seen the book". Riiiight.
Though I'm not saying they're entirely without fault, Ari and Scott jumped the ship when they realized the Captain was a drunken buffoon steering the USS US towards the iceberg. Tony Snow got out due to cancer, not conscience. Who's the current mouthpiece? Expect another revelation from her in '09. -
I hate to be the proselytizing centrist or whatever, but I honestly believe that most people actually agree with sense. Even if they've had nonsense sandblasted into their skulls. That goes for Liberals and Conservatives, naturally.
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Match made in heaven.
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It's been swell.
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i thought we were at a truce. I'd be more than happy to break it, if that's what you want. Besides littlewarrior is boring
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Thanks for posting your Tuesday night itinerary for us. Great insight into the life of a lonely (not by choice, I'm sure) anti-social auto-fellating recluse. Although I find it quaint that you would refer to a Yahoo chatroom as "an event". That's a new one.
And for someone who thinks it's sad to "launch into smalltalk", did you not find it ironic that that's precisely what you were doing with Stevie? Are you looking for a friend, Morbid? This really isn't the place for it. In fact, it's not really a "place" at all. Just thought you should know.
Looking forward to seeing what you'll be doing tonight. Big plans? Maybe download some emo songs for your MySpace page? -
Who signed a truce without my consent?
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for the inclusion in that list. What do you know about a truce with BraffedOne? I didn't get the e-mail, as usual.
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It's really sweet how you came back from your 6-hour self-imposed exile to rush to Morbid's defense, but he's a big boy and can take care of himself. More to the point, your rushing to someone's defense really ends up hurting them more, because you're the most celebrated idiot ever to haunt AICN.
I never called you or Morbid "gay". Your obsession for smelling strange men, and Morbid's sucking his own penis - both are not inherently gay traits, just really deviant behavior by socially maladjusted freaks. Please don't align yourselves with the gay community; they have enough problems with the Republicans.
As for my bride, it's not fair for you to bring her up. It's not like you and Morbid have any women I can attack. -
I'm sure you're a real sweet girl, but i'm just going to say this one more time. I mopped the floor with you. I've already concluded and proved that you can only come up with vulgarity and beastiality in your pathetic comebacks. It was fun for a while, but I'm breaking up with you. i'm sure you'll find someone who shares your passion for anal penetration and "monkey-raping". good luck to you sweetheart. If it makes you feel better..you were a great fuck!
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You have to ignore Glovedone. He's not even political - if this was an obit TB he'd still say the same things. He's just playing around.
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How are things with you? See any good movies lately?
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Haven't gotten a response from Cruel Kingdom...but I'll entertain NoCalFlicks...
"Maybe it was the difference in how to go about "stopping Saddam" Clinton took a containment approach, which basically meant that he would never let Saddam develop any type of nukes or chemical weapons, and used inspectors to verify this. Saddam was contained. Bush on the other hand felt a full scale invasion of Iraq was the only way to prevent Saddam whatever he felt he was doing, but the fact that no WMDs have been found to this point, kind of reflect that the containment strategy was working."
I'm afraid you need to take a look back at 1998. Clinton wanted to go into Iraq, and had the support of Congress. Sen. Tom Dashle through his full support behind Clinton. Nothing happened. All words, no action. Spineless. Was it to divert from the Lewinski scandal? HMMM?
Containment? Yeah, let's send the UN in to make sure there's containment. Gee, if you look at history, the UN withdrew. So much for 'containment.' -
Yes, I watched the Assassination of Jesse James. It was surprisingly strong. And you?
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"9/11 would have happened anyway, apollo? You sure about that? Apparently you don't remember the entire Bush administration flat out ignoring the warning signs including detailed memos about the exact nature of the plot. Fucking idiot. Go back to the playground, that is if FATFUCK han't crushed it under his weight. Speaking of flop sweat... "
Hmmm...I seem to remember the 9/11 hijackers coming into the country DURING the Clinton administration? Where was Clinton during all of this???!!!
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Well, if Morbid and Brane do have lady friends, someone should warn them about their extracurricular activities. But I have enough faith that no woman would be dumb enough to get involved with those freaks anyway.
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"Why I HATE and LOVE America.
by Node32774 May 28th, 2008
01:46:23 PM
HATE:
Coughlins Laws
MorbidObesity
BraneRobot (aka AnimalStructure, Thunderballs)
kevinwillis.net
chrth
apollo80
glovedon
gotham_night
LOVE:
BringingSexyBack
Mr. Nice Gaius
DocPazuzu
LiberalWarrior
samsquanch
toadkillerdog"
Why apollo80 LOVES America:
Because you can say what you just said, Node 32774, without getting your head cut off. Thanks to our men and women in uniform protecting us from nutjobs.
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Cool. I wanted to see that. I heard it was pretty good. i actually went to the premiere of Sex and the City last night. The review on AICN is right on. It was fucking awful.
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Well first off, no I am not that other person "Cruel Kingdom"
Secondly, considering the lack of WMDs we found in or around Iraq after the invasion, I'd say the argument that the containment strategy is pretty strong.
Maybe Clinton didn't invade Iraq because he didn't feel it was necessary and that it wouldn't have solved anything other then bogging down America in a long drawn-out Occupation which is why Bush41 refused to send troops into Baghdad when his neocon buddies were trying to talk him into it.
Oh and please stop propping up Clinton as a "liberal hero" like I said before, Clinton's foreign policy was hardly "liberal" so referencing something Clinton did as evidence that Bush is doing the right thing is hardly a valid point. -
The publishing world is currently bracing itself for an entire Library of ex Loyal Bushies bringing out books between now and November. There will be little or no interest after Bush has left the building and you don't get your book into the top 10 if your Bush tell all has no "exclusive secrets" to headline in the Media. These political kiss and tells will be a constant background noise from now until the election.
As for the notion that Bush has no resonsibility or power & he is completely at the mercy of Terrorists and other countries decisions as well as having no control over the U.S. Economy... well the all time record 71% disapproval rating tells us that the American public aren't buying that particular buacket of horseshit.
McCains hilarious banning of the cameras from a joint Bush/McCain Fundraiser tell us all we need to know about how the McCain campaign views Bush and the past 8 years and they will be desperately distancing from now till November while pretending McCain isn't a Republican.
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It's amazing to me how many people have posted comments without actually having seen this. WTF? That's how rumors start, or in the case of election campaigns how war heroes get vilified as liars and cheats. Last time I checked you didn't get a purple heart 3 times for lying and evading combat. No, instead in this country you GET TO BE PRESIDENT!
I watched this show and found it frustrating and entertaining. Yes, we know how it ends, but it's the process that is fascinating. Both sides really screwed the pooch, but when it comes to litigation the Republicans were first to file lawsuits. Bet you conservatives thought otherwise. Make no mistake. Both sides acted dishonorably, but bussing in a bunch of right wing radicals to appear as a spontaneous protest that then devolves into a near riot smacks to me of an organization that is using draconian tactics similar to other groups in history that we have come to loath and excoriate as evil, like the Nazis and Communists of old. To respond to one other post, yes, the Dems did ask to have overseas military ballots disqualified, BUT ONLY THE ONES THAT HAD NO SIGNATURE OR DATE. As a permanent absentee ballot voter, it very clearly states that both must be on the ballot in order to be valid. My only guess is that these ballots either came from folks who can't read or didn't bother to follow instructions or were manufactured, i.e. VOTER FRAUD. That's the whole purpose of it - to prevent fraud. If you believe a voter ID is a good thing to prevent fraud, then you have to support the position that these overseas ballots should have been excluded if they weren't signed and dated.
Voter fraud exists, and it's well documented. See Richard Daley in the Chicago elections of 1960. There was much unscrupulous behavior going on there.
And finally, yes. At the end of the day Bush had more votes than Gore in Florida. BUT...were all the votes counted? When the Supreme Court finds violations in the Equal Opportunity voting laws but then delays the decision so that the deadline passes, what recourse do we as voters have? The damn thing is the hand recount would have been completed in time had the Supreme Court not stepped in and issued a stay. What is that all about? We as citizens should be concerned as hell when our government process goes off the rails this badly. And the 8 years that followed should just how far down the rabbit hole we can fall when government no longer has governance over those who govern. For those of you that missed your history lessons, this is called TYRANNY, and it's the reason we had a revolution and fought England for our own right to self govern.
Also, Bush got more votes in Florida, but Gore got more votes in the entire nation. So that argument doesn't hold a lot of water because it's the ELECTORAL votes that count, unfortunately. -
Umm, you need to go back to your news reels, too, buddy. The reason we didn't go into Iraq in 1998 is because Saddam capitulated before we were going to bomb the crap out of his country. In fact, there was one hour left before the deadline when the Iraqis finally met the US demands and allowed the inspectors back in. It was very close, but Saddam knew then that it wasn't a good idea to mess with the US. Given that, doesn't it seem a little odd that he would stockpile WMD and defy the US knowing that we would invade? Hmmm. Doesn't that sound like maybe the so-called evidence was really fabricated so we could just go in anyway? That's what Scott McLellan is saying now. But, that's right. He's a disgruntled ex-employee. No doubt he's just all lies and deception. This administration has been nothing but the model of virtue. Give me a break.
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Don't you agree?
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How come he's so uneducated? (Let's not entertain his fantasy that he attended NYU)
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Get all up on their body odors, did you?
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You're either an "unemployed bitch ass" or a "corporate drone".
Good to know Brane (and his BFF Morbid) have an answer for everything. Even if that answer is wrong. -
I'm a corporate drone because I work during the (you guessed it) work week, and socialize on the weekends. Silly me, I thought that was the responsible norm. But I guess Brane and Morbid, the weeknight partyers (if you consider 1 person a party), have it all over me.
Also, too bad I don't have a job that puts me in uncomfortable proximity to stinky men. Good thing for Brane he does. -
...I wonder what Braneless thought of himself when he shit the bed over in Mori's HULK TB...
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dude, that term can only be insulting (as opposed to comical) if it is said with a British accent and by someone with gravitas in spades. Neither condition is possible on TB's. And, yes, I realize the irony of bitching about other people's bitchings.
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Node, are you Patrick Stewart?
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May 28, 2008 7:00:07 PM CDT
Sadly this all could have been avoided if only Gore has sucked i
by detinue
...like a man on election night and admitted his narrow defeat, but n-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o he had to try and steal and sue his was to another couple a hundred votes and drug the nation down into the mud pit with him.
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May 28, 2008 7:00:27 PM CDT
IS ANYONE ELSE NOT SURPRISED THAT DREW WAS NOT NICE TO BRANE?
by bringingsexyback
Not only would I not be nice to Brane if I met him, I would steer clear away from him. Because who wants to be nice to a lunatic?
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Some how it got cut off.
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Why am I not surprised that Brane would pull him out to support his sudden interest in Blacks? Sowell is a great intellect, who has carved his own unique place in the world. But I find it ironic that he would use the word 'mascot' to describe how liberals have treated blacks, when he most certainly is the token mascot Black trotted out by conservatives (See Brane) whenever they want a black face to support or front an argument. I do not doubt for one second that Sowell believes everything he says, and is brilliant enough to be suasive. But just because he is black, and criticizes blacks, that does not make him correct. He does make some outstanding points, that deserve discussion, but he also makes generalizations that only serve the point he is arguing -his viewpoint that is. Since Brane posted a long article of Sowell's, I wiil counter with an article that shows how someone as smart as Sowell can still blinded by his devotion to one point of view. A conservative point view that ignores reality for the sake of ideology.
In his May 12 syndicated column, Thomas Sowell criticized those urging higher wages for employees of the discount retailer Wal-Mart. Sowell referenced a May 4 New York Times article that contained a quote from a Wal-Mart employee who said he was not earning a living wage. Sowell asked: "How is he living, if he is not making a living wage?" Several studies show that he might in fact be getting help through government assistance programs.
Sowell argued that Wal-Mart stockholders should not have to subsidize higher wages for Wal-Mart workers "through lower earnings," but he apparently failed to recognize that taxpayers are subsidizing Wal-Mart stockholders and executives through the high levels of public assistance that are used by its employees compared with other retail workers. A number of studies and analyses have shown that taxpayer-funded government programs are picking up the tab resulting from Wal-Mart's low wages and insufficient health insurance coverage.
An August 2004 University of California, Berkeley Labor Center study found that many Wal-Mart workers in California rely on government safety net programs such as food stamps, Medi-Cal (California's version of Medicaid) and subsidized housing at an estimated cost to taxpayers of $86 million annually-- $32 million for health-related expenses and $54 million for other assistance. Further, families of Wal-Mart employees utilize these services considerably more than the average for families with employees of all large retail companies. In fact, if other large retailers in California were to provide wages and benefits at Wal-Mart's level it would cost California taxpayers an additional $410 million in increased public assistance costs. According to the study:
The families of Wal-Mart employees in California utilize an estimated 40 percent more in taxpayer-funded health care than the average for families of all large retail employees.
The families of Wal-Mart employees use an estimated 38 percent more in other (non-health care) public assistance programs (such as food stamps, Earned Income Tax Credit, subsidized school lunches, and subsidized housing) than the average for families of all large retail employees.
A 2002 internal memo from the Georgia Department of Community Health that focused on the state's Children's Health Insurance program PeachCare showed that the children of Wal-Mart employees accounted for 10,261 of the 166,000 children enrolled, about 14 times that of the second-highest employer, the supermarket chain Publix, which had 734. Wal-Mart, with 42,000 workers in the state in 2002, had about one child in the health care program for every four employees; the ratio for Publix was one child in PeachCare for every 22 employees [The Atlanta Journal Constitution, 2/27/04 (registration required)].
The state of Connecticut discovered in January 2005 that it pays an estimated $43 million annually to cover health costs for workers at the state's 25 largest employers; Wal-Mart was at the top of the list with 824 employees or employees' adult dependents on state public assistance programs. Beyond Connecticut, Wal-Mart had the most employees on Medicaid in a total of 11 states: Alabama, Arkansas, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin, according to examinations in those states [Employee Benefit News, 5/01/05].
A 2004 study conducted by the Democratic staff of the House Committee on Education and the Workforce looked at Wal-Mart employees' eligibility for a wide range of public assistance programs and estimated that one 200-employee Wal-Mart store may cost federal taxpayers $420,750 annually, or about $2,103 per employee. This includes $36,000 for free and reduced-price school lunches, $42,000 for Section 8 housing assistance, $125,000 for federal tax credits and deductions for low-income families, and $108,000 for federal costs relating to health care assistance.
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May 28, 2008 7:23:14 PM CDT
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE BLACK, WHITE, ASIAN, ARAB OR JEWISH
by bringingsexyback
If you're a man, Brane wants to smell you.
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had not tried to steal the election.
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You claimed to have no qualms about accepting money from them.
Good to see you changed your mind (yet again) about scuttling off and hiding under a new alias because of your hilarious Brainfart on the Mori Hulk thread.
Though lets face it it doesn't matter how many times you try to hide under a new alias your Batshit Lunacy will always shine through in mere minutes.
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How about a Wii?
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As always!
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BraneRobot.Oh, and Dunkin Donuts.WTF?!?!?!?!?!
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McLellan is just the most high profile at the moment. Suffice to say of the many schizms and turf wars that occured in the Bush Adminstration those who were shafted, mistreated, sidelined, fear blame & want to spell it out how THEY knew policy A/ or B/ was bound to be a disaster but weren't listened to, now have a ticking clock till Bush disappears and the last remnants of Media attention with him.
Let us not forget there are a great many former Loyal Bushies who have now fell by the wayside since 2000 leaving the sad figure of Cheney almost alone to prop up the remaining lame duck months of Bush.
Will a great deal of this have to do with score settling, and attributing the blame ? Yep. Does that mean they won't have extremely revealing details and truths "accumulated" in their time in the inner circle ? Nope. The dirt will out. -
That rings very true.
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goddamn snake. I don't plan on reading his book because he wrote it for one of three reasons. First, he threw his lot in with the current administration and is the proverbial rat. Second, he has had major problems with the administration for years now but said nothing, cause rats thrive in filth. Or, third, he had a change of heart (as an adult, politico careerist... I seriously doubt that's possible) and then decided to sell out all his employers, fellow employees, and fellow fuck-ups. Fuck McClellan.
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Let's burn McClellan in effigy!
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You can't steal something that is already yours. It wasn't Bush calling for endless recounts in heavily democrat and democrat controlled counties; and, it wasn't Bush supporters filing lawsuits up and down Florida trying to get conservative military ballots thrown out. Now, if you want to talk about stealing in that election we can talk about how Gore stole New Mexico, Wisconsin, and probably Missouri with dirty tricks and voter payoffs.
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fuck that snake. It ain't like he can claim any moral high ground, and he's trying to grab his fifteen minutes and capitalize on a sinking ship by selling out everyone he voluntarily worked side by side with for years and years. Fuck this cocksucker.
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She won't be able to cash in and she has to trash a previous holder of the job she now does with a straight face.
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May 28, 2008 9:42:15 PM CDT
Hmmm, this anti-McClellan feeling is exactly what the Bush
by toadkillerdog
Spinners want the public to believe. They are already questioning his sanity, his authorship, his loyalty ( to Bush which trumps loyalty to the truth and the state), and you can bet they will start questioning his morals, and his sexual inclination (not kidding) in the next few days. And though I too say he is gutless and cashing in while he can, that will not detract from his story if it is the truth.
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They should debase that rat; the guy is a guilty party member who then ratted out his fellow guilty party members for his own benefit. Their's finding your conscience and fighting against whatever, then there is going along with it for years and then ratting everyone else out for your own benefit. McClellan is a fucking rat, and lower than low.
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Brane would sniff McClellan in a heartbeat.
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The Bushies will circle the wagons and smear the guy every way possible - because that is what you do when someone you trusted breaks that trust. But is it correct? Which trust is paramount? If everyone who writes a memoir that is critical of their bosses - well after the have left the job, is villified for doing so, we would have a lot less truth telling. Yes, he did not have the spine of Richard Clarke, but perhaps he did not have the resources either to be able to out his former friends. You have to be able to pay the bills and make a living before you go after folks who can wreck that while they are still in power. I have no idea what his financial resources were then or are today, but before we make too hasty a judgement about his motives, it is perhaps wise to consider he may have had to earlier alternatives.
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is what that last line should have read.
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If the White House do go and totally Ballistic on McLellan then his book sales will rise pretty darn fast too. This man however implicated and however "Loyal" KNOWS P.R. (He drinks it, He drinks it all up) There will be talk shows and News spots aplenty if this gets to a really personal abuse level. All of which is grist to the publicity mill and the Book sales.
I also doubt McLellan would be foolish enough to make claims he can't back up with some certainty. So there IS going to be some unpleasant reading for the WhiteHouse in the days to come.
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Do you believe loyalty to Bush takes precedence over loyalty to country, nation and the citizenry? You're describing a mafioso scenario with the rat analogy. If what he says is true, then impeachment is warranted. Or other appropriate measures. Don't you think so?
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May 28, 2008 10:13:21 PM CDT
THERE MUST BE SOME MONSTER YAHOO CHATROOMING GOING ON
by bringingsexyback
Morbid's been AWOL all day. I didn't know there were so many auto-fellatio stories to be exchanged.
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Do you still believe we live in a democracy, government for and by the people? Or do you view Bush as some quasi-royalty?
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Lets not rule out personal revenge either. If he did the Job he was asked to do day after day and was then dropped like a Hot Turd when it was expediant for Bush to do so that may just be a motivating factor.
We also don't know what went on behind the scenes and just how much he was forced to peddle laughably obvious Bullshit to the press core over his objections.
Do I personally think he was complicit ? Yes. But do I also think the Upper Echelons of the White House may have treated the guy like shit ? Also, yes.
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May 28, 2008 10:16:17 PM CDT
MAYBE MCCLELLAN WALKED IN ON A BUSH/ROVE/GANNON CIRCLE JERK
by bringingsexyback
and freaked the fuck out. Maybe that'll be Chapter 9.
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He never stays for long. And that adds to his air of mystery.
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May 28, 2008 10:22:03 PM CDT
After the beatdown Libwar put on him, I am not surprised braffgl
by toadkillerdog
It was stunningly one sided
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Think through what you have to say before you say it; so you don't, for example, have multiple postings to my points. My point is, while McClellan is just as guilty as the administration, he's the one selling them out for the exact same shit he pulled. He's a rat. They loyalty to country thing doesn't factor in because he didn't show it for years, until he decided to cash in by selling out other people that he's comparably guilty.
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and, yes, there are massive spelling/syntax errors in my previous posting because I did a lot of editing without much re-reading.
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McClellan was the WH spokesman, not policymaker. He said what he was told to say, or was responsible for dodging and diverting when told not to say anything.
He may have known about wrongdoing, and should've come clean at the time, but was he a party to the crimes being committed? Probably not. That falls into the hands of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. -
which is why he disappeared - that is what i meant to say
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he's a PR guy, he's a faux alchemist: he spins shit into gold. If he had a problem, he should have come clean then. Otherwise, he's just as guilty. And, I get tired of saying this, but I'M NOT A REPUBLICAN. Stop asking me to justify what Bush does.
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Are you still drunk?!?!
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I'd be dead if I had drank enough (several days ago) to still be drunk. But, I've made it very clear I'm not a Republican, and, especially, not a Neo-Con. McClellan went along with the Bush Administration for years after he claims he philosophically/politically/morally broke with them. That makes him equally guilty, and, to make it even worse, a rat.
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have ever been able to spin shit into gold. I've seen through the bullshit from Day One. Only utterly gullible fools would buy their lies. Speaking of which, where's Brane?
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Do you consider governmental and corporate whistleblowers to be rats, or was McClellan a rat because he went along with the lies and deceit? If he had come clean at the time, years ago, would you have supported him?
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My point is, don't ask me to justify or explain the current administration's policies or actions, because I don't support them. I really, really, really don't like the neo-cons/current Republican Party, but, while I can't answer for what they do, I can still smell a rat.
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Appreciate your answers. Not trying to give you a hard time, but I just see McClellan in a slightly different light. He's no angel, but he's not the devils he spoke for.
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of a rat... If you have a problem with what's going on, you don't go along with it. If you do go along with it, and prosper from it, and then sell out everyone else for your own benefit: RAT. No moral high ground or any leg to stand on, just as guilty and less trustworthy. So, yeah, BSB, I consider anyone who sells their soul (for their own benefit), then sells out their partners-in-crime (for their own benefit) to be a disgusting rat.
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But I'd prefer the rat who comes clean to the criminals who persist. You catch my meaning?
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I wasn't thinking you were ribbing me, it's just that I think McClellan is disgusting (and am very pissed off that he thinks he can sell out everyone else and get a free pass, despite that he's just as guilty as the rest).
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May 28, 2008 10:57:46 PM CDT
BUT THINK ABOUT IT - HE'D BE MORE DISGUSTING IF HE DID NOT
by bringingsexyback
come clean. Better that he did and divulge the truth, than to keep it hidden from Americans for eternity.
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It's still going to be fascinating reading. If I bother to read it, that is. I'm not sure my skin could handle the multiple shower breaks I'd have to take.
He's definitely more of a rat than a whistleblower, but man, if there was ever an administration that deserved to have one of their former inner-circle roundly punish-fuck them in public, it's definitely this one. -
Too bad that will never happen. Isn't the guy a Christian? I guess he sucks at that too.
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what I'm saying is... McClellan is just as guilty as them. This seems like a last-chance, career saving maneuver to me. I honestly don't believe he wrote this book for any reason besides his own benefit. That's why I despise him so much.
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May 28, 2008 11:11:27 PM CDT
SCOTT CAME CLEAN ABOUT ROVE'S VALERIE PLAME DECEPTIONS
by bringingsexyback
but I'm sure Morbid will be skipping that chapter, if he bothers to read this book at all. He actually thinks he knows better than the CIA whether their employee was covert or not. Good thing he's sucking his own dick instead of working in a national security capacity.
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Seriously, I could never figure out why that one didn't have more traction. Where's my TV movie??
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It was at the height of the war, and the focus was on the situation in Iraq. Not to mention it took too long. It has nothing to do with the validity of her case, though Morbid would like to think otherwise.
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Looking forward to more revelations from Brane tomorrow. One thing you can't call him is predictable. Sniffing random men? Color me shocked, and disgusted!
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story didn't gain traction cause (from everything I've seen so far) it was bull. But, before anyone responds, I gotta admit that I feel absolutely zero reason to debate the topic.
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same here.
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aaand... wowzers. Brane has been completely fucked.
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I'm out of here.
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You were publicly HUMILIATED and slapped down HARD for talking complete bullshit and being called out on it. EVERYBODY saw it. You can't pretend you "triumphed" against Mori when he Bitchslapped you till with the real facts till you were on your knees and blubbing. Jeeeesus you ARE certifiable if you are deranged enough to think anyone other than you isn't laughing and laighing HARD at you by now.
Nobody gives a fuck what you say anymore and to be frank, very VERY few ever did.
Take your Bugshit crazy ass somewhere where people appreciate K.K.K. excusers and War Criminal excusers and ethnic cleansing & Genocide excusers and find some insane Ron Paul conspiracy talkback on the net that might think "No Property? No Vote!" wasn't a sign of someone who needs to take a good long lie down in a dark room or that "Purge all Muslims" isn't pathetic hate speech from a babbling fool.
If you were so sure you had won why did you throw a hissy fit and threaten to leave the site and grab a new Alias ?
Was that because you had "Triumphed" ? Or because you wanted to throw the toys out of the pram but then didn't follow through and ended up looking like a Prize Twat ?
Go and find someone who actually gives a fuck what you think as you have proved your contempt for the site, those who run it, those who frequent it and made yourself a MASSIVE laughing stock in the process.
If you actually had any Balls Brane, instead of the constant crying and bitching and whining you do about the site and those in it, you would actually have the fucking minimal commonsense to go somewhere else if you really hated it and everything else that much.
But as you yourself said and as I will be happy to post each and every time you keep infecting these boards with your Batshit crazy babbling...
"Please keep paying attention to me, I love it!"
YOU SAID THAT BRANE. IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE. And anyone in any doubt WHY you are still here despite making a complete fool of himself will now know it too. EVERY TIME. -
check the recount review: eattheblinds.blogspot.com
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Don't raise your hopes guys. I say this from experience that that book will be dull as dogshit. We already had our PR whore's "memoirs", and ours was a big one- it was that complete and utter cunt Alastair Campbell (the man DIRECTLY responsible for "sexing up" the dossier that went to Bush- including the "45 minute" claim) publish his diaries. He could have revealed the rotten core of "leftist scumbag" ((c)BraneRobot) New Labour, but instead just wrote complete inanities. The book will be neutered. You can bet on it and they will use "official secrets" or whatever the US equivalent is as their justification. What I'm saying, if you want to read what you already know then buy it. But don't expect revalations.
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oh yeah, I'm not American. That post was for Brane's benefit- seeing as he keeps telling me that I hate America and that this is a bad thing. (For the record, I like America- I just hate your government and a lot of your blimp-esque tourists. Not that our exports are any better)
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I am so gonna steal that.
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I can see it coming
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I hope he didn't choke on a bad load or break his neck. That's the dark side of auto-fellatio - no one to rescue you when something goes tragically wrong. It'd be pretty embarassing for someone to find him dead on the floor with his own cum pool on his mouth.
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NoDiggity's Indy review is finally in. Remarkably sensible, but still off in several ways. There are also indications that NoDiggity is a female! Shock! Horror!
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That was beyond weak. Yet another indication of your lie of being an NYU grad, much less a grad of any institution for higher learning. Any admissions department would discard your application the moment they saw the drool on it. Man smeller.
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Such an abomination is an affront to the lord. Man, Woman or androgynous she-male I'm still going to have to apologise for being rude about Indy. I can, however, take solace in the fact that I'm right about Alien.
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PSifire in the SATC Talkback. I've handed out the obligatory kicking, but it hardly seems worth it as it would take a legion of plants to generate interest in that film here.
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How are things?
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I'm just finishing work for the day.
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Another beatdown? Still waiting on the first beatdown, moonbeam. Don't worry, in my infinate goodness, I will give you another chance to pull yourself out of the hole that I stuffed you in yesterday. However, if you try that same tired shit that you were pulling yesterday, I will have to leave you to your delusions and seek other forms of entertainment.
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Don't hurt yourself...
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Funny as always. I enjoyed reading the smackdown, but please go back to the diseased monkey jokes!
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Morbid will think it's a party and will never come back. Maybe he shot himself in the eye and can't type? Hope you're okay Morbs! Visine gets the cum out!
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Brane is a lying liar.
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but is not the least bit disturbed by the Bush Administration's lying and the tens of thousands of deaths resulting from it. Nor is he bothered about how they purposely allowed 9/11 to happen resulting in thousands dead. But he'll make it his life's mission to clear Ed Norton's good name.
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Back to the lies again. Here is what Sowell said regarding liberal politicians making use of blacks. "Politicians who use blacks as mascots" and here is what I said regarding the politicians on the right who do the same thing. "I find it ironic that he would use the word 'mascot' to describe how liberals have treated blacks, when he most certainly is the token mascot Black trotted out by conservatives (See Brane) whenever they want a black face to support or front an argument."
I do not think Sowell was being racist when he used the word 'mascot' to describe what white liberals were doing, he was simply trying to use a word that would inflame his readership, to describe what he feels is how liberals use blacks. But what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If liberals use black mascots, conservatives most certainly use them as well. There just are not as many! -
But you have to give him some credit. He's doing a service by coming forward, though he could/should do more. He'll be on Olbermann next - do you think Brane will be watching? I doubt Morbid will - he prefers to remain ignorant, even more so than Brane.
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That cracked me the hell up!
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Spin from the Elephants, spin from the donkeys. It's the same old shit, different day. Both sides have three pages of proof why their party isn't guilty of this, or did the right thing. All of this in the hopes that people will be too busy raising kids, working one or two jobs, etc. to have to just sit back and act like a damned party loyalist. This old hybrid of conservative-friendly, libertarianism has watched the shit for years. Accusations against Republicans for being uber-protestant, trying to restrict our pop culture freedoms, personal decisions, or abortion rights, and any other number of things. When the Dems have been just as good at that sort of thing, as well. For example, they've been more vocal about video game violence causing school shootings (which is ludicrous)than the damned protestant Repubs. Or, we'll hear the REpubs rail on about Dems and Roe v. Wade, when in reality those cocksuckers can't, or won't overturn R v. W. I could point out all sorts of significant and insignifcant examples of these two highschool rivalries(I mean political parties). The reality is (in Washington, D.C. at least) is that other than guns, the war, abortion-to a degree, and couple of other issues, there's not a damned dime's worth of difference between the El's and the Donk's. Pay raises for themselves, security, no term limits, spending like there's no tomorrow(Dems want to tax and spend, and worse yet, the Repubs want to borrow and spend), foisting suggested "guidelines" upon citizens when it comes to what your child can bring to school in their own damned lunchbox(Sprouts yes, Cupcakes no), doing everything possible to continue NAFTA so more jobs can be moved out of this country(Perot may have been shit for brains, but he was fucking right about that one), etc. I'm not exclusive to one party these days. Used to vote a lot of Repubs in the late 80's, and much of the 90's, a small number of conservative dems, and these days even the odd libertarian. I'm told that I'm a Southpark Conservative. That may be true. Kind of a mix of Matt and Trey, and conservative-friendly libertarian talk show host, Neil Boortz. Let's not forget the important splashes of small government, gun rights, and less spending for good measure. People can rail on about the evil of guns in this nation, or how bad abortion is, and 50 million other insignifcant issues, but meanwhile Repubs and Dems will spend this country to death, move jobs out of this country, and destroy our language, culture, and borders. Mind you, I'm pro "great melting pot", but some seek to remove the afore-mentioned with bullshit political correctness. Well, at least we're still not as far gone as some other places across the pond. Just my off-topic thoughts. WHoever said Southpark gets some things right...it's true. They sometimes do. THey're "Team America" assault on some of the Hollyweird Elite" was long overdue. DOn't even get me started about Chavez' buddies Danny Glover, and Iraqi ambassador Penn, Sean Penn. Penn was so pissed at Matt and Trey, but they fucking nailed it.
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Or maybe that should read "Al Gore and I".
I went and saw Al Gore talk in person in Sydney last year (2007). My opinion was that this Al Gore would have demolished GW Bush of 2000.
Al Gore was clearly free of all of those Democratic Party Election Advisers who had micromanaged numerous campiagns to an inch of their life and well down the path into failure. The best thing the Democrat Party could do is toss all of those people on the scrapheap. Al Gore was finally able to be himself which he should have been during the election of 2000. If he had, I think he would have won easily.
As for the talk itself, the feeling I got was that even if you didn't agree with a word of what he said, here was a man who really enthusiastically believed what he was talking about. We don't see enough of that these days.
I guess that was one of the stupid things I remember from the elections of 2000. Supposedly people were staying Al Gore was stiff and robotic (Had any of these people looked in a mirror lately). Anyway, they're trying to elect a world leader, not a talk show host.
It still boggles the mind that the voters chose (in such numbers) a candidate with no national government experience and 1 term as a state governor over another who'd been a senator and vice president for 8 years. I'd still say that if the candidates party affiliations had been reversed too.
I mean, honestly - chosing the candidate you'd most want to have a beer with. Once again, you're chosing a leader of a nation, not a drinking buddy.
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May 29, 2008 12:13:48 PM CDT
WHY DO MORBID AND BRANE TREAT JEWS AS THEIR MASCOTS?
by bringingsexyback
They only use Israel as a pretense for vocalizing their hatred and advocating the genocide of Muslims.
Brane had said he doesn't care if the Israelis and Palestinians kill each other.
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Wow! Just be glad you aren't near as annoying as that god damn energizer bunny. That fucking guy even gets near me and I'm committing battery-operated-toy-homicide on the spot. Fucking jihad on the energizer bunny!!!
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Liberal kiss asses.
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If you guys argued solutions instead of blame.
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Wasn't me.
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I'm so frightened of him. I mean, he proved me to be a liar, after he triumphed over Mori in the Hulk talkback... I'm just trying to find a safe place where he won't catch me...
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sure...plenty of them but, and more to the point, I'm not the one going back and forth for like 4 days on this TB arguing about who fucked up this or that.And the name is DARTH! Short for Darthemius if you must know.
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Ban the Republican Party and mandatory IQ testing for voting privileges.
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Do you even THINK about what you type before you post it? Time to - once again, expose you for the utter moron you really are. But before I do that, lets play: Connect the dots. Follow along Brane, maybe you will learn something. During slavery (in this country) and disregarding all political affiliations, would slave holders be A) More apt to be liberal? B) More apt to be conservative? I say B. And once again, the party affiliation means nothing, they could have been conservative Dems, and liberal Republicans (which held true quite a bit back then) Next question: During slavery were slaveholders: A) more apt to respect the black slaves? B) More apt not to respect black slaves? I say B. Hmmm, it seems that the liberals(regardless of party) would be showing more compassion and respect for blacks than conservatives. Is it possible that the liberals of the 20th century, you know, the ones that pushed for inclusion and equality (with some help from Republicans)were actually showing less respect for blacks than the conservatives (which also included some Dems) that wanted to keep Jim Crow? Hmmm? Now, to your post. Once again you revel in inanities and generalities. You wrote: "Libs DO NOT RESPECT blacks, therefore they are mascots to be paraded around. Conservatives RESPECT Sowell, and as such, he is no mascot." So, all libs show a lack of respect for blacks, and all conservatives respect Sowell? Really? Putting aside your new found ability to read the minds of every single liberal and conservative on earth, and putting aside that quite a few liberals are not white, are infact black, that means even the black liberals do not respect themselves and treat themselves as mascots to themselves. Quaint theory you have there Brane. Well, if that is the argument you want to make, so be it. Now about the conservative side, all conservatives respect Sowell. Really? Are conservatives that monolithic, and is your psychotic, er I mean, psychic ability that great that you can say with utmost certainty that all conservatives respect Sowell? I mean, does every conservative like and respect one another, just because they are conservative? Yes or no? And if no, then that means that all conservatives -as you say, like Sowell, but not because he is conservative, because by answering 'no' that means not all conservatives like or respect one another, but it means they like him because he is black. Hmmm. Sowell himself denies being conservative, he says he is more libertarian. And all conservatives respect libertarians, right? Ok, that was just food for thougt, now to the actual meat an potatoes. You posted "Liberal PC bullshit has served to deaden discourse. Only blacks can talk about blacks, only Jews can talk about Jews. It's the world YOU AND YOURS have created. And calling a respected scholar like Sowell a mascot is racist!" So, in your view of the world, the libs have made calling someone a mascot racist unless you are members of the same race? Ok. Brane, are you a liberal? Yes, no? If no, then you are free from Lib PC rules, so you can call anyone of any race a mascot. Guess what Brane, I am not a liberal either! Back to Dr. Sowell. Two questions for you: Can blacks discriminate against blacks?Can blacks be self hating? (and I am not accusing Sowell of being either, but you can find many, many, many blacks who do think he is one or the other or both - just google him). Yes, blacks just like any and ALL races can be racist and can discriminate against their own race, for a variety of reasons. Is Sowell doing this? I have no idea. But many within his own race seem to believe he is. And if so, then calling other blacks mascots, is, in your view-(because he would be a racist) wait for it, racism. Last thing. You said: "he is not criticizing blacks in this article either as you claim". Well if someone said that I was being treated as a mascot, I damn sure would take that as a criticism, and be highly offended, but I am sure he meant no offense, because he is black. Right Brane? Oh yeah, I forgot to add, you dipshit.
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...I still think there should be a Battle Royale. Politics is one of those 'untouchable' subjects in most professional situations (work, etc) making it a catalyst for verbal conflict. Well, verbal conflict is for pussies! BATTLE ROYALE!!!!!!Someone where I work said "Obama is just like Hitler you know." and I went full-on Battle Royale on them. It was a kick-ass rockin' good time. We had cake and dumplings afterwards. Somebody wanted to sing a song but we threw that fucker out the window and then pissed on and threw nerf footballs at his body thousands of feet below.
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...to stir such a bogus shitstorm that it causes Dunkin' Donuts to drop their Rachel Ray advert because it's "too Muslim".BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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That's too funny. I weep for humanity. At least those who are Republican.
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Another time I went full on BATTLE ROYALE was when someone else said that "Bush planned and implemented 9-11!". Seriously, I'm not talking death or anything. And no nihilistic FightClub nonsense either...we welcome all girl BATTLE ROYALE just as much as any gender, species, or anything else (I'm still working on a Canary and Pidgeon BATTLE ROYALE but they're all very demanding...only yellow M&M's, Evian no tap, Beyonce CD's, I mean fuck! This aint the Sheraton Grand asswipes!) Hell, I'm not even talking hospital visits or dentist visits. Just good ole fashion beatdowns the kind of which most of us haven't seen since grade school. (Well, this old lady grabbed one of my pieces of bacon on my Sampler at IHOP so I bashed her fucking melon old lady head right quick...I don't care if you thought it was your bacon! Touch my pork and you die!)
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It looks like he very well could be talking to a mirror and not Node.
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I demolished every point you tried to make, and you know it. You have zero comeback, so what do you do? You quit and call ME a racist? Please. Just show me where I cherry picked ANYTHING! Those are direct and FULL quotes from you. You racist, coward.
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When you read one of Brane's rants, just take comfort in knowing that he's really describing himself (which is obvious to us) and trying to project his own faults on you.
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I feel exactly the same way about pork. And Battle Royales.
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Here is my post again, sans slavery part - which was answering the whole mascot issue, but since you have no reading comprehension skills, here are your arguments in quotes and my responses. You can not squirm away this time:
You wrote: "Libs DO NOT RESPECT blacks, therefore they are mascots to be paraded around. Conservatives RESPECT Sowell, and as such, he is no mascot." So, all libs show a lack of respect for blacks, and all conservatives respect Sowell? Really?
Putting aside your new found ability to read the minds of every single liberal and conservative on earth, and putting aside that quite a few liberals are not white, are infact black, that means even the black liberals do not respect themselves and treat themselves as mascots to themselves. Quaint theory you have there Brane. Well, if that is the argument you want to make, so be it.
Now about the conservative side, all conservatives respect Sowell. Really? Are conservatives that monolithic, and is your psychotic, er I mean, psychic ability that great that you can say with utmost certainty that all conservatives respect Sowell?
I mean, does every conservative like and respect one another, just because they are conservative? Yes or no? And if no, then that means that all conservatives -as you say, like Sowell, but not because he is conservative, because by answering 'no' that means not all conservatives like or respect one another, but it means they like him because he is black. Hmmm.
Sowell himself denies being conservative, he says he is more libertarian. And all conservatives respect libertarians, right?
Ok, that was just food for thougt, now to the actual meat an potatoes.
You posted "Liberal PC bullshit has served to deaden discourse. Only blacks can talk about blacks, only Jews can talk about Jews. It's the world YOU AND YOURS have created. And calling a respected scholar like Sowell a mascot is racist!"
So, in your view of the world, the libs have made calling someone a mascot racist unless you are members of the same race? Ok. Brane, are you a liberal? Yes, no? If no, then you are free from Lib PC rules, so you can call anyone of any race a mascot. Guess what Brane, I am not a liberal either!
Back to Dr. Sowell. Two questions for you: Can blacks discriminate against blacks?
Can blacks be self hating? (and I am not accusing Sowell of being either, but you can find many, many, many blacks who do think he is one or the other or both - just google him).
Yes, blacks just like any and ALL races can be racist and can discriminate against their own race, for a variety of reasons. Is Sowell doing this? I have no idea. But many within his own race seem to believe he is.
And if so, then calling other blacks mascots, is, in your view-(because he would be a racist) wait for it, racism.
Last thing. You said: "he is not criticizing blacks in this article either as you claim".
Well if someone said that I was being treated as a mascot, I damn sure would take that as a criticism, and be highly offended, but I am sure he meant no offense, because he is black. Right Brane?
Oh yeah, I forgot to add, you dipshit.
I never had respect for you Brane, but at least you seem to stand up and take a beating like a man. Now it seems, after the Mori smackdown, whenever you get get whupped, you just scream 'uncle' and run away. Only to come back later, with your tail betwen your legs, like the whipped dog you are (no offense to the pooches intended). -
Like I said earlier, I have no respect for Brane or his ilk. It is almost a waste of energy trying to debate someone as inflexible, unbalanced, and spineless as Brane. When he loses, and I mean clearly loses an argument to the point he has no comeback at all, he resorts to name calling. Ooh, that hurts. Great debate tactic - for kindergartners.
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I never had respect for you Brane, but at least you seem to stand up and take a beating like a man.
Now it seems, after the Mori smackdown, whenever you get get whupped, you just scream 'uncle' and run away. Only to come back later, with your tail betwen your legs, like the whipped dog you are (no offense to the pooches intended).
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I smell your public humiliation, I smell it up !
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A luminous performance, if I may say. I've made it a mission of sorts to find that bastard, no matter what his name is, and discredit him in every TB I see him in. This has been going on for a few years now, and I've seen at least four different incarnations of him (Kip Kinkel, Thunderballs, Animalstructure and Branerobot).
It's heartening to see so many others view him for what he truly is. Each time he mouths off he becomes even more pathetic and ludicrous. He has literally zero credibility left, and his faux high ground posturing is ALWAYS his very last gambit. When he runs out of his horseshit, he claims to have beaten everyone and closes shop.
Hilarious and sad.
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Last I checked you challenged me and then ran away for a few hours after I called you out. Then you try and attack me indirectly to ToadKiller? Pretty weak, but I can't really say I'm surprised. I gave you plenty of time and even advice, but alas, you proved the weaker. Thanks for playing. If you're really quiet and nice, I might give you another opportunity later. kisses!
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Good to see you around these parts. Thanks for the kind words. You are almost like Van Helsing (the 'real' one not the Jackman version) tracking down Dracula! Only Brane is far more, stupid and evil. In the Mori TB, after he knew he was being 'banned' and he ranted like a two year old needing a bottle, an image came to mind. Do you remember the serial killer in Star trek, the episode where Scotty is thought to be the killer? It turned out to be the little weasely, mealy-mouthed, milquetoast guy who when cornered, had a meltdown, and starts screaming, 'Rejek' Rejek' Rejek'? That is who Brane reminds me of.
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From Brane:"If I respond to Mori, I will get banned. My political views never got me banned, but AS and Thunderballs were banned only when I dared to take on Mr. Sensitivity who fancies himself a Hollywood player.
Fact is he is an awful writer, and Carpenter has not made a good film in decades. But Mori seems to think his "success" is masturbation worthy, and the 15 year old geeks here desperate for a film career suck up to him. Mori, you're nothing but an anonymous screenwriter, no different than a thousand hacks out in L.A. who lucked into a crappy career churning out shit like "Amusements."
And you're nothing without AICN. Film Threat called you guys out for the charlatans you are. And your only defense is to call the author of the article unemployed and a homosexual cruiser. Tell you what, when you actually write something that is more entertaining than Mansquito, then you can brag. But until then you're just another pale, fat, Internet site writer.
BraneRobot is now retired. Look for me in my new guise in the coming weeks where I will continue to "pwn" the deluded geeks and vile Leftist scum that inhabit this site. Why do I come back? What can I say, I am a glutton. And I like the layout. And it's fun to know Mori knows me in real life but has no idea who I am on this site. That's the real treat. To stand next to the man, is to smell the man. That's all I'll say about that. Harry stinks like piss too, but he is actually cool. Not full of himself like Mr. Sensitivity. Now, commence with the comments about how I just had a meltdown. You're all nothing if not predictable." -
He has got to be Michelle Malkin.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200 80529/ap_on_en_tv/dunkin__donu ts_ad_pulled;_ylt=AgsgDtQtLLFx leSMOXbBrCEDW7oF
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...there was no shit for you to call out on Moriarty. It's all some sort of bizarro conspiracy that you've manufactured to stroke your cowardly ego. One thing is for sure though, Mori (and everyone else in that Talkback) definitely called you out on your bullshit.Now look at ya. You're flailing.
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Kudos! Keep up the good work.
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don't listen to these assholes. You have a right to say whatever you want. I think that you have some valid points. They might not be popular, but neither is LiberalWarriorPrincess and he still gets to post his musing here. Preach on! (oh, and LiberalWarrior likes to smell pickles)
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Are we still all but accusing conservative blacks of being Uncle Toms? Good fucking god. If some minorities have thoughts independent of the so-called mainstream...well, you know. UNCLE TOM! UNCLE TOM! Ridiculous. Still hear the talk about how racist, or nearly racist Republicans are. I wish some of those naysayers could hear some(NOT ALL) of the southern Missouri Democrats I know. The ones who are typically pro-life, pro-gun, anti-gay marriage, and pro-protestant faith, but still(like a lot of true believer repubs) vote for the biggest liberal types going out of party loyalty. Getting back to the point, I've heard several of these Dem true believers who say they'll vote McCain if it comes down to it. You know why. Because they refuse to vote for a black person. I've heard that from more than one person as of late. WHy I thought Repubs were the racists supreme??? Not just trying to pick on these minor-league racist dems. I know plenty of Repub Christians that would have (begrudgingly) lined up to vote for not just McCain, but liberal Guiliani to keep Hillary or Obama out of office. But, what else is new. Most Dem and Repub sheeple voted for the lesser of two evils. And, to quote some very wise soul, "The lesser of two evils is still evil." In the afore-mentioned groups, you'll find that a lot of Christian repubs and dems will put the elephant or the donkey over Christ. Not judging them. Just pointing out a political fact.
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You truly are. That is no longer just an insult. Your own words: "BraneRobot is now retired. Look for me in my new guise in the coming weeks where I will continue to "pwn" the deluded geeks and vile Leftist scum that inhabit this site. Why do I come back? What can I say, I am a glutton." File it, print it copy it. Unlike you Brane, I do not run away from an argument, win or lose. It was you and me, mano-a-dipshit. I answered, and destroyed, every point you tried to make. And your only response was to say, I cheery picked and so you would not answer me. I posted my responses again, even condensed it, and pointed out that I used FULL quotes and asked you to point to ANYTHING that was cherry picked. Once again, you whined, and bitched and moaned, but would not answer, no rebuttal other than to to say, I was being unfair because I do not hold the left to the same standard, or some such shit. Ok, let me get the exact quote from you so you can ignore that as well, and say I am cherry picking again. "Does this describe anyone on the Left here? Has any Leftist on this site ever lost an argument to a conservative, in your opinion? See, you make out like you're some paragon of fairness, but in actuality, only take the right to task for their percevied misgivings, and continually praise those on the Left like LibWarrior who ONLY spout invective." I said it before, it is a waste of time to try and engage you in any meaningful debate, because when you lose you start the insults, then take your ball and go home - only to come back later. But let me answer this for you, yes, other posters on this site, some of them liberal, some of the conservative, do the same thing when they lose. And the only reason I do not call 'them' on it, is because I was 'debating' - all one side of it, you at the time.
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I am sure the Indy TB was four days worth of stimulating conversation as well!
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I hope you enjoy SATC!
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Why do you have to act like such a little shit? Keep it dignified!!!
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Extremely entertaining though---truly one for the books.
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We can talk smack to one another. But the thing is, he is right about Brane being a jackass and that no matter what arguments you make, in the end, it does not matter.
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Thank you. I will, but perhaps not quite as often! Because as much as I enjoy a good debate, I am not really getting one here.
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For giving Brane a false sense of security and support so we can fuck him up even more.
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Right. Keep out of sun or melt. Good thinking!
How could I have ever doubted you going to NYU with that superior intellect?
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how the hell does "NYU" status automatically convey intelligence?
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and I'm not joking around either: college diploma's don't equal intelligence.
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you should know that I'm not defending Brane, just attacking you're defense of NYU. I don't want another (baseless) "alliance" accusation. I know many soon to be Magna cum laude grads (ranging from NYU to to Yale to Harvard to Amherst to countless other colleges that don't have the name recognition), and only some are intelligent, not all.
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Give it up BraneRobot. TKD has thoroughly demolished you. He's taken your central argument about Race (and by the way, you racist fuck, look at what you posted to Node straight afterwards) and destroyed it point by point using nothing more than your own reasoning. I also find it laughable that you can accuse him of recycling shite like moveon (which he hasn't), when you will recycle verbatim from the hugely discredited Liberal Fascism. As I've said before, you only deem a source worth using when it supports your point. Anything contradictory is to be ignored. Stevie- FYI the NYU thing was BraneRobot lying about his alma mater. That's what BSB is getting at.
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Furthermore, your quite right. I went to one of Britain's best Universities and I know people that graduated with good degrees that are too stupid to walk and breathe at the same time. We used to joke about how easy it was to get a 2:1
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anyone that wants to say anything. Brane is entitled to say whatever, to whoever. why isn't anyone coming down on NOde for saying that he hates America. It's funny that you people will gang up on Brane for just sting his opinion and not jump on Node for saying Yep. I hate America.
by Node32774 May 28th, 2008
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It does feel good to get that off my chest, Coughlins. Thank you. But I'm determined to love it again by educating ignorant morons like yourself. Everytime I walk down the streets of my crumbling city and see its delapidated schools and its malnourished, parentless children oozing with the potential to have lightning strike them and make millions playing basketball and selling out to any corporation with a checkbook or rapping about how shitty their lives are, and drive around town in gas guzzling vehicles wearing bling a remnant of their ancestors had his hand chopped off for, I'll remember you, Coughlins, and be reminded of why the cities and rural areas in the richest and greatest country in the world have people living in 3rd world squalor with no hope of an actual future. Thanks."
you people need to check your priorities.
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I can answer that: The reason no-one is slaughtering Node for that post is that is is very, very obviously sarcastic. It also follows at the end of a long period of abuse from Brane and Coughlins trying to get him to say he hated America.
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I haven't a clue if the picture of urban deprivation he paints is accurate or not (it is in the UK), but if it is then his previous assertion that although he did love America it wasn't blind is even more accurate.
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Why do you want me to admit I hate this country? I don't love it or hate it. I live in it. I have a certain attachment to its people having been born here and lived here for over three decades. i love my friends and family. i certainly hate your guts, but I don't hate or love a country, even if it wants me to.
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it's just as bad here, but at least in America and probably UK, one can overcome thier station with hard work and perservence and that is what is to love about a counrty with democracy. You don't like something. Change it. You're poor. Get a job. Go to school. Don't like the governmet. Protect. We are still one of the few countries that has those rights and, that should be something to love
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Probably be the only sex you get.
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and the point is that Coughlins and Brane were conducting some sort of McCarthyite witch hunt. By trying to demonstrate that Node hates America they can then unjustifiably seize the higher ground- and every response to him can then be destroyed with "You hate America". His response was irrelevant, and if you notice he had many attempts at getting rid of them, because to be accused by them is, in their minds, proof. It's a dirty, low, shitty rhetorical trick and should not be tolerated. It's pure Lowest Common Denominator sophistry and they should be fucking ashamed. Their argument should be strong enough to defeat him without resorting to this sort of shit. But this is BraneRobot's MO to a fucking tee. When he gets thrashed (usually due to his wilfull ignorance- and I think he has been absolutely creamed by every participant here at one time or another) he resorts to puerile insults, base rhetoric and eventually the Mugabe-esque stunt of declaring himself the winner and fucking off. It's pathetic
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If you're stuck and unhappy that's your own fault. Don't try and drag me or anyone else into your misery. You are a sad and lonely person who probably blames everyone else and the governmet for your own short comings. I suggest that you go get your GED, try some community college and join the American work force. Maybe after a few steady paychecks you will feel better. Ass.
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Anyway, who the fuck in these TB's is going to change anything anyway. You are a coward that tries to pander propoganda to ignorant fools in hopes that someone might take your distain for this country to the next level. Guess what, no one here is going to rally around your anarchy. Take your cause to Washington and speak it there where it matters. It will be a lonely march.
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Ever hear of the Poverty Trap? It's a very, very sad reality for many people in urban areas and solely down to government incompetence. Basically the way it works is that a lot of British families are in this situation where by taking work they see a net fall in their household income. Many of them want to work, but to do so will put them in serious danger. For example, in London, a temp will earn (after tax) between £200 and £300 per week. This sounds like a lot, but rent on average in a flatshare is between £100 and £200 per week. Travel is also another £30 per week. So before you've even bought food you are left with about £50 per week. The dole works out at £42 ish, but you get housing benefits etc. Urban poverty is very real, and no fucker has a clue what to do about it- conservative or liberal (here comes branecell with SPONGERS- FUCK THEM LET THEM STARVE MWAHAHAHAHAHA)
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have fun people.
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i was raised with it. I saw what it was early and made the effort early to make sure I didnt go that same route. What makes this country great is that I was able to rise above the standard. I know other people who have done that same. I will agree with Node on a few issues that need fixed in this counrty. My biggest issue is that dispite my hardwork and education, I have still have to pay for programs for those have no disire to leave the poverty level. They are content with sitting home and shitting out more and more kids. God fucking help us if Obama is elected..
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have a good evening.
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I'm a declared Liberal but very much to the Center as I oppose welfare and open borders, among other things. I understand your frustration at having your tax dollars going to causes you don't support. But that's not the sole gripe of the Right. It applies to the Left too, when we see our tax money going towards war, war profiteers and general corporate welfare, which amounts exceed that of social welfare.
I don't know if you've been following the political TBs but this one is just part of a long lineage of discourse on such matters. Brane has been vocal and no one has or could shut him up. This continues to be a battle of opinions and facts, with lots of hyperbole thrown around. It's fun, and mostly educational too. Name one other site that has this kind of massive, uncensored discourse between both sides of the political aisle. And in a great format too.
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By British standards I have an upper-middle class background and I can honestly say that before adulthood I was never in poverty. However, the nature of London is such that where I live (and I have a nice place) has a fucking slum behind it. I know people in my local pub that work cash in hand because if they actually declared what they earn then they would put them and their family below the poverty line. However, by working in the Black Economy they can afford to feed their families- and have enough left over for a few beers. Basically, when they have to pay rent, lose chid benefits and (worst of all) have to pay council tax (which I forgot on that list but me and the wife pay something like £150 per month) they literally cannot afford to live. To make matters worse, the education system in this country is in fucking tatters- so realistically they have no means of self improvement. We are the most taxed generation in history and I am very, very far from happy about it- but the whole problem is insurmountable.
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but the whole fucking system in the UK needs a drastic fucking overhall- we have the nerve to preach about Democracy when we have an unelected prime minister raping our wallets for every penny he can get to creat bullshit administrative non-jobs for probable Labour voters. We have councils that seem to do fuck all other than collect tax (another group of administrators) and we're disenfranchised and angry. We need a revolution- but the weather's too shit.
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Good talk, bro. I understand your side as well. I like to think that i'm independent, but I do lean to the right on most issues. I was in the Army for 6 years and was able to go to Iraq and Saudi. I understand both sides of the arguement. I'm not taking Brane's side, but I do like a good debate. especially if I can call someone "gay".
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and I also agree taht there should be a aptitude test to vote...and procreate for that matter.
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this is a hate of mine and I have a fascistic solution that I would abso-fucking-lutey implement. When my missus worked in Social Services she saw legions of teenage women having child after child after child. They knew the risks, but thought that they would either get the guy to stay or they would get housed/ cared for by the state. This in turn leads to another stupid generation with the same attitude following- except there is about 5 kids per family. I would operate a 2 strikes and you're out rule. If you have 2 children by different fathers before you are 20 then tough shit- you're sterilised. Accidents happen, but not 3 times- and especially not with the range of precautions available before and after. FYI there is a woman in the North of England that became a grandmother at 26 (true). Fucking state of the world.
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Cheers. FInally finished for the day. Don't fall for it. BraneRobot is the only universally despised participant here. He is a fucking monster that believes some truly appaling things and never, ever side with him.
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18 is what I meant. I wrote 20 as part of another sentence and then deleted the wrong number
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You are so in the right place then. Talk to you later ...
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I do not think the problems are insurmmountable, but they must by addressed in a unique fashion, by someone who is uniquely qualified to do so. That is one reason why I strongly disagree with what glovedone said about Obama. It will take someone of his background, who can not only see the problem with a different view, but address it with policies that have not been attempted before. Will it be easy. No. And it will ceratinly take a generation or two of hard work, but it can be done. That s not to say that only Obama can help correct this, because many, many people, of all races, will be needed. Obama, or whoever, will need to do this on a national scale. But it has already been done on the local scale in neighborhoods. An example. In Atlanta, a white busnessman, who was an avid golfer, bought an old country club that bordered a dilapidated housing project. In just ten years time, he not only transformed the country club and the housing project, but the entite community. He provided, new, safe housing, jobs, a future, and not coincidentally, restored a grand golf club, that at one time excluded blacks, but now teaches them the game. Change can be made, we just need the will, and unique perspective to do so. Here are Obama's words to describe the condition.
"We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country. But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.
Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools; we still haven't fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the pervasive achievement gap between today's black and white students.
Legalized discrimination - where blacks were prevented, often through violence, from owning property, or loans were not granted to African-American business owners, or black homeowners could not access FHA mortgages, or blacks were excluded from unions, or the police force, or fire departments - meant that black families could not amass any meaningful wealth to bequeath to future generations. That history helps explain the wealth and income gap between black and white, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many of today's urban and rural communities.
A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one's family, contributed to the erosion of black families - a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened. And the lack of basic services in so many urban black neighborhoods - parks for kids to play in, police walking the beat, regular garbage pick-up and building code enforcement - all helped create a cycle of violence, blight and neglect that continue to haunt us."
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Jarv, I respect you, and find myself agreeing with you a great deal of the time, but the sterilising comment is beyond the pale, and you know it. That is Brane territory, and the same goes for you glovedone, with the aptitude test to vote. Why not just adopt Branes 'No property, no vote' mentality?
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Why? This county is producing more and more inbeciles as well as illegal immigrants that might get a chance to vote who can't even speak english. Voting should be a privilage and incentive to get educated and be a productive member of society.
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I do remember your march. it made all the headlines and I hear that they are taking your wonderful ideas and implementing them into law. super job!
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its still a shithole. Over-populated, vile shithole. Not to worry, I live in Baltimore, so i live in a bigger shithole. Actaully, I'm jealous of your shithole
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sorry, you so set me up for that one.
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I did not attempt to insult you, but perhaps you are right 'inbeciles' should not be allowed to vote. You never mattered to me before except for the beatdown LibWar put on you. You started with the insults on him, then he nuked your ass, and you ran away screaming how you had won. "Really?". Guess what bunky? I have whole lot more than insults to throw if you really want to start down that road with me. And I was deployed in Iraq and Kuwait as well - missed out on the Kingdom though. Soldier or Marine?
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What post were you reading, Socko? LibWarrior's comebacks were just vulgar. I'm always up for arguing with someone that is original. I guess after reading "monkey-raping" for more that 3 times, I lose interest...
Also, I'm not insulting you. I'm challenging what you are saying.I called you toad the wet sprocket because that was the first thing that came to mind. (great band, too). You went down the glovedunce road, my friend.
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I'm just fucking with you. I will refrain if it's going to put you in a tizzy.
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really.I look forward to more interactions with you.
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It was Node, not me who called you 'glovedunce'. And though LibWar does not need me to fight his 'battles' I will say this about the beatdown, you started it with an insult, he nuked you back and kept on dropping heavy arty on you, so then you tried to change the ROE, and accused him of just using vulgarity, when in fact you did no better. You lost the insult fight - very badly, and then tried to take 'high ground', and declared yourself the winner, and disappeared. The exact same bullshit method that Morbid and Brane use when they lose. All of you are cowards. And I was and will always be, a Marine. Ooh-Rah!
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I salute your service. Regardless of what I think of you today.
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Could not resist
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that explains the skewed perception and anger issues.
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ZZZZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!
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If so, then I guess they have a say. If not, fuck 'em. (joke)
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Never thought of TDk as a fake marine, but it makes sense. He is very left and no Marine I've ever met is that far gone. Semper -fib!
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You never met a marine with politics different from yours? Speaking of unbelievable...
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I have. I was in the service for over 8 years and I have met all kinds of people. However, there were NO die-hard Marines (espically that still say OOOO-RAH) that would ever march on DC. None. The US armed forces are a different breed. They may not like who the leader is, but at least respect the leadership.
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May 30, 2008 1:58:48 PM CDT
So- being a liberal means you have no respect for leadership?
by samsquanch
Honestly curious. And before you bite my head off- ask anyone on this site. I'm not a Liberal.
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i have not met or known any memeber of the armed services that left his post, became a civilian and marched on DC to protect anything. I call bullshit on this one
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Braffed, what you said is plainly ludicrous. Most of the really active anti-war people are ex-military. Veterans for Common Sense for one. And don't be surprised that quite a few of the recently elected Dems in Congress are vets of the current war.
Brane, like I said, only you know why you chose NYU as the basis of your fabrications. Why the fuck are you asking me? To make some sense of what you say? That's impossible. And even if you didn't choose NYU to lie about, I'd call your bullshit on any college you would've named. Because judging from your writing, you were clearly homeschooled by a retard. -
I think it's a bit sketchy to start accusing people of lying about being in the service. Especially based on political leanings. Bit of a slippery slope, there. Have you ever shared a TB with Xiphos? Curious what you two would make of eachother.
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All I'm saying is that I haven't met any. I'm sure they are out there. I'm also sure that for every liberal ex-vet you show me i can show you 5. The military is set up to basically brainwash most kids into God and Country. I'm not trying to start any arguements, just stating my observations. Especially in the Marine corp. So, to have an ex-marine be so politally involved to the left just doesn't make sense to me.
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As far as I'm concerned, once he posed with Jane Fonda, any credibility went out the window
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That's all fine, but even by your experience alone ToadKiller would be that 1 of 5.
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I'm not a Lost watcher, but I'll check it out - thanks!
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And thank you - for sharing your obession for male body odors with us. Truly it is the gift that keeps on giving!
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First-up, Brane. You never learn. I have told you before, I am not a liberal. I have told you before that regardless of being allied with anyone on a particular argument, if I find what they say offensive, I will tell them so. Here is quote from you: "See, you make out like you're some paragon of fairness, but in actuality, only take the right to task for their percevied misgivings, and continually praise those on the Left like LibWarrior who ONLY spout invective." And here is what I said to Jarv just today: "Jarv, I respect you, and find myself agreeing with you a great deal of the time, but the sterilising comment is beyond the pale, and you know it. That is Brane territory, and the same goes for you glovedone, with the aptitude test to vote. Why not just adopt Branes 'No property, no vote' mentality?". You never learn Brane. But you continue to disgust me. Now, on to another nutcase. glovedone. Are you drunk or just stupid? As I pointed out earlier, it was Node you called you 'glovedunce' though now I wish I had, and it was Node who said he marched on DC. I gave you the benefit of the doubt about serving, and I see no reason to rescind that. The moment Brane (Brane?) questioned my service, you fell into step like a whipped puppy. MP? I will hold off any disparaging remarks about what I think of real MP's, and the Army in general, but suffice to say whether you were one or not, it aint good. And the equally retarded - no, Motarded, remark about no Marines marching on washington, is just so laughable, and frankly so stupid it is hard to fathom. Service members - from all branches, have been marching, or riding (Every hear of Roliing Thunder?) on Washington for over a hundred years, and they damn sure are still doing so. And I am not a liberal, or conservative, I am an independant. A moderate. And finally, learn how to read and write before you attempt to start an argument that you have neither the brains or the background to finish.
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He protests with explosive tipped arrows! tochee
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Not only did he move to Thailand because of it, but Sly said so too.
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I heard of Rolling Thunder. Roy Schnieders finest flick if you ask me. I am lumping you and Node into the same person. ToadNode is your new handle. You both spew the same shit. What you got against MP's? Aptitude test too high?
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Word of caution - watch out for Glovedone's pickle-sniffer strafe attack.
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I never once mentioned, commented on, had an opinion about, or even considered your education. Like with most, if not everything about you, I couldn't give a shit.
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For shame!
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wasn't that the original script for R4? That he had to make up for singlehandedly defeating the Soviets and handing Afghanistan over to the Taliban?
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Glove, you are a coward. A pathetic, cry-baby, gets called on his shit, and whines, coward. Can not even acknowledge that you confused the posts - and hence fucked up your own argument about me, so instead, you try and make a joke about it, without addressing the fact.
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Still haven't seen it?
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or Myanmar
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It makes Zombie movies look like Hanna Montana
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I know what I'm renting this weekend!
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Totally fierce!
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Was fucking loooonggggg and booooring. Won tickets on Wednesday night. Still feel violated on Friday.
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I coulda used those tickets, man.
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To the top people!!!
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May 30, 2008 3:12:41 PM CDT
BRANE - DID YOU PLACE THAT ORDER FOR MCCLELLAN'S BOOK?
by bringingsexyback
You know, the one entitled "What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception"?
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Is that code for Mary J. Wana?
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0848 - out of Sill
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Jarv is not a Liberal. He's British. Dumbass dude sniffer.
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Yeah.
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I was stationed there as part of the detachment - and it indeed sucked to be surrounded by Army assholes, in the middle of oklahoma, with only the strip in Lawton as entertainment. Were you there?
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May 30, 2008 3:43:26 PM CDT
MORBID'S BEEN AUTO-FELLATING HIMSELF FOR 3 DAYS STRAIGHT
by bringingsexyback
His neck must be so sore now.
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I had a buddy who was Air-Force for five years, then went into the Army until retirement. Must be a culture shock going from Army to Marines. Sill indeed sucked ass, we had a small (relatively speaking) detachment, and since you know Sill, it was nothing but Army assholes. They had us near the training battalions, so it was always some funny shit when we would cross paths with the army drills conducting morning PT for the newbies. Lawton was an interesting town, as small as it is, it had the most diverse ethnic background I have ever seen in such a concentrated area. German, Korean, Japanese, Italian. Any place in the world that an army base is, you will find people of the nationality at Sill. Some damn good restaurants though!
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Damn that is a beautiful place.
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When reality falls hard on his dumb man-sniffing head. Love it.
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when one considers how many blockbuster right-wing TV and movie hits there are out there. Answer: ZERO. Pwned! Again!
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The absolute strangest weather patterns I have ever seen in the winter. Xi, I kid you not, the morning would start off around 35 degrees, then drop and a little snow would fall. Around 7AM, it would turn to rain. Around Noon, the sun would come out, and at 4 PM, it would be about 77 degrees. I hated that place.
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Noted. Logged.
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Imagine how happy his nose would be, especially in the showers.
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Hah, I considered that path at one time -don't hate me! I started out as a cannoneer. I thought being a drill was cool. I got wise. Ended as an E-7.
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May 30, 2008 4:12:02 PM CDT
WHAT WOULD A DATE BETWEEN MORBID AND BRANE LOOK LIKE?
by bringingsexyback
Well, imagine Morbid sucking his own penis, and Brane hovering over him and sucking the smell like there's no tomorrow. How romantic!
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We had kids who enlisted that came across like Brane does, and if they were not caught and weeded out at the reception station, they never made it past the third week in the battery.
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Don't let this TB end. I'm begging you don't let it end.
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But I'd like to connect one to Brane's ears and flip da swtich.
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ZZZIIIINNNNGGG!!
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Fucking Harry and his mind control
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They were all NCO's around my age. The older ones still held grudges from who knows when or what.
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Brought back some good memories! Once again, stay strong, stay safe.
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Chicks dig the DI hat!
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Own up man, I think you owe TDK an apology.
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Everything I write is my own unless I attribute it with double quotes from an outside source or someone on these boards, and I have never, ever, even visited the moveon site. If you can find one instance, just one, of me 'cutting and pasting' from moveon, I swear to you, i will disappear from these boards forever. You can't, because I have not. Have a good weekend all. BTW Xi, yes the Battery is the name we in artillery used.
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May 30, 2008 7:40:43 PM CDT
I think it's finally time to let this TB set peacefully ...
by samsquanch
into the internet horizon once and for all.
As usual, interesting, funny, and just plain strange experience.
As usual, the folks I've come to expect rational, if not shared opinions from represented.
But very, very NOT usual, one poster seemed to take up all the air in the room, and didn't really accomplish anything except make himself look like a sociopath, even compared to some fairly toxic, vulgar characters. He rose above, out of the muck of obscurity, as it were, to stand alone, one talkbacker amongst many who was able to take on all comers, to ceaselessly reach new lows with every post, seemingly invulnerable to shame, clearly unable to take the many, many hints offered, even from his brethren. I think we all know who we're talking about here. LiberalWarrior.... no, just kidding....
Brane, take a bow, you fucking freak. You've succeeded in being the most memorable, if also the most miserable character I've dealt with in awhile. You remind me that no matter how good my life might seem, no matter how little time I ever actually have to spend with real jerks in my actual, real life, that there are BraneRobots out there. Thankfully, not in any great number, or the world would look very differently. Thank Fuck for that.
I know it's too much to expect, but I hope you move on to greener pastures, I hope that a critical mass is reached sooner, rather than later, and you quietly leave town. Even the villiage idiot can be banished, man.
Congratulations for making me, the consummate diplomat, the moderate, the centrist, the guy who tries really hard to listen to all sides, the guy who prides himself on never taking anything too personally on a fucking geek talkback forum too seriously, absolutely despise a complete stranger. Congratulations, you absolute fucking loser. -
I quite enjoyed it.
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You got snuffed out by a couple of Marines. What a way to end a spectacular week of implosions.
Man sniffing? Lying about your education? Falsely accusing TKD? You truly are the love child of Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter.
Samsquanch has you pegged - you are seemingly invulnerable to shame, the only benefit being the continuing amusement you provide. Here's to many weeks more of free entertainment - thanks, douche! -
Brane, the Marines destroyed whatever little was left of you. Not to worry, though, I'm sure they're just Communist Marines.
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I just realized where you got the "sunshine" line from - it's used a lot in the army, ain't it? Did you see Delta Farce? They invaded Mexico!! ROFLMALOLOLOL!!!!
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Did you have to start a new database for cataloguing Brane's latest meltdowns? He put out a lot of new material this week. Damn.
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I liked the movie too. Learned a lot from it. Like how the young Repubs were mobilized by Baker and Rove. Fucking little Hilfiger wearing shits.
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Brane thought he was cutting Mori down, but it was his own knees he was taking that saw to. Bitch.
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And that's why he has my support. We are being overrun by CGI. I don't know what's real or not anymore.
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Fake rubber pussy jokes? Comebacks like "Move.Org talking points"? "Cunt faced fake Republicans"?Could. You. Be. More. Pathetic???
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...you call me a "liar", yet most of what I do is simply repost shit you yourself have already said. By all means, please repost anything I've ever said here on AICN. I've never been banned during the six or seven years I've been coming here so there's plenty to choose from. Go ahead, and let's see if anything I've said draws a fraction of the firepower which has been trained on you from both the left, right and middle.
And Brane? Man up and say something other than "They're ALL leftist filth!" because apart from being patently untrue, it's also old and tiresome as fuck.
Oh, and in case you've forgotten or hoped that we'd forgotten it -- you got pwned by a couple of U.S. Marines. -
Rambo with his jeep gun-turret thingy, against a moderate, Libertarian-leaning giant robot lion?
Shit, I just can't stay away from this TB.
Brane calling me a "cunt faced fake Republican" is the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time. Seriously, coming from him, it's a high compliment. Not kidding. -
Somewhat bewildered by Branes clear Masochistic Tendancy. Whereby he just keeps digging and Babbling in an offensive deranged manner and he keeps getting slapped down HARD by all and sundry.
Besides that who actually DID say "It's a Lion" Is that now lost to Legend as it IS one of the more amusing episodes of late. (apart from Brane) -
I remember seeing the board and laughing very hard indeed at seemingly earnest people telling everyone who would listen why it MUST be "It's a Lion". But I wondered if it actually HAD a source like an original poster or was just one of those things that inexplicably took off as the more eccentric took to the, NO NO! they definitely said "It's a Lion", bandwagon.
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That was the most staggering thing I learned after the Movie as the beast was designed to be the newborn form of something mindbogglingly huge that is probably already designed.
As for the film, sorry Liberwarrior I liked it and I don't apologise for that. Xiphos is right though the internet Hype saddled it with an importance that a B Movie (and lets face it apart from the clever conciet of the Videofootage it WAS a B Movie) deserved. I think the Gargantuan Bug in The Mist was more Cthulu like personally. Wish we'd seen more of that. -
A couple of drinks on the house an' he said and he said "take me to New York and I shall stomp on it!"
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It was short and it was a one watch thrill ride. It was not a Movie that has any real importance and like Transformers it was caught in a flurry of hype that distorted the essential eyecandy nature of the subject.
But again I can still enjoy those movies without giving in to the hyperbole that always surrounds em.
As for BAD Movies if there is a better Movie than Turkish Star Wars then I have yet to see it.
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I could have sworn I heard the feeble babbling of a Lunatic ?
I don't think all Lunatics are Monsters but I do think anyone who has said "Please keep paying attention to me, I love it!" and keeps coming back for Public Humiliation needs treatment and adult supervision at the very least. -
Yes, in a few weeks I'll be Mr. BSB, and as for being here so much I can tell you that not only is AICN the most entertaining resource I have (beating out movies, TV, radio, other sites), but when you're about to get married, it's best to stay out of your woman's way and let her and her gang do all the work. But since you don't have a woman and never will, it's not a problem you'll ever encounter, so don't worry about it.
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was draw that brilliant post out of you. Bravo, good sir. That was by far the best post of this talkback.
As for your writing, excuse me but what are you talking about? Just because Brane has access to thesaurus.com doesn't make him a better writer. It's all about content and subject matter, and that single post of yours alone puts every word Brane ever vomited here to shame.
I know you don't like to get involved in the politcal TBs, but your insight from time to time has always been invaluble precisely because of your real world background. Look at Branedead - going on and on about supporting the troops, yet never hesitating to denigrate them (like ToadKiller) for their personal views. You can't reason with a lunatic like that. And you shouldn't - you just let them implode on their own.
To everyone but Brane, there was never a doubt about TKD's truthfulness. Even Glovedone didn't push the issue when the truth became evident. As always, Brane stands alone in his Malkin/Coulter-like lunatic condemnation of anyone Liberal - including servicemen. Fuck him, and let him stew in his own bile.
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You the man.
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If Brane were a Muslim fanatic instead of just a regular fanatic, he would've strapped on the bomb suit long ago.
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love of America? Nothing.
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of what, I have no clue. You? Morbid? What is there to be jealous of?
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For that alone your post is worth a Million "Damn you michael Bay!" style posts. (There may be a conversion chart using the Damn you Michael Bay! post as a unit of measurement to more accurately guage this but sadly I cannot find it.)
People are People. Soldiers are People. People not Political props or statistics. Mortal, fallable, capable of greatness and as mistake prone as the rest of us.
Those who post in these talkbacks should be primarily motivated by Love of Films and TV.
I know that's why I'm here.
The Politics appear because of the obviously more blatantly Political films and TV but also because most people have views on Politics if you scratch the surface.
Knowing your background gives you a unique perspective on things Xiphos I for example would be intrigued to see what you will make of the coming "Generation Kill" mini-series. I come to it having been frankly amazed by the depth and quality of The Wire and cannot wait to see what David Simon can do next. But I fear that Simon's warts and all portrayals of life may draw the wrath of those who would prefer a far simpler less complicated view about things "over there".
Anyways enough about that it's not even on yet but I can assure you as someone who has a sketchy command of prose at best and has no illusions about my limits you should have no worries on the intelligence or clarity of your posts as they always seem a cut above. -
May 31, 2008 8:17:19 PM CDT
Leftist soldiers are not real soldiers. But most soldiers are so
by g100
Because you say so ? I've got news for you shithead nobody believes a word you say anymore. You're a liar and a public embarrassment.
You clearly didn't listen to a fucking word Xiphos said Brane.
Soldiers are People. Not political fucking talking points you Lunatic Douchebag.
And when you try and reduce them to a Demographic percentage for your own nefarious purposes and babble ignorantly that someone who you don't personally know, but disagrees with you and holds you in the same contempt almost everyone here does, can't possibly be a "real" Marine (What exactly Qualifies you to judge "real" Marines ? shit for brains) All you do is mark yourself ever more clearly as someone who is in dire need of some rather extensive Therapy. -
To him, "real" Marines are those who just do as wants. He'd rather not have them give a personal opinion, unless that opinion jives with his. There are a bunch Conservative vets here, and despite differences in opinion has it ever occurred to anyone to question their service? No, only some fucking loon like Brane would even conceive of that. Like Samsquanch says - he's shameless.
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What's more torturous to a lunatic who can't stop spouting his lunacy? You take away his podium. And that's exactly what I will do if you elect me Black Box Moderator. Thank you.
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Wow, I'm really happy you posted that. I wondered if that might have been part of your motivation, and I'm glad it is.
I take some shit on this site for being what I refer to as a 'traditional conservative' or an 'old fashioned republican", not just from fools like Brane, but from lots of so-called 'intelligent' posters from both sides of the political spectrum. I consider it my lot in my e-life, to seek to interject sense between rival ideologies that from my perspective have more in common than they do differences. Basically, to folks on the far right, I look like a moonbat lefty, and to the far left, I look like a fascist tyrant. I don't get no respect (from the idiots).
One of the things that absolutely burns my cock is how both sides shamelessly trot out 'the troops' as mascot avatars for their causes. Most often, when someone starts mouthing off about the troops, I'm forced to wonder what an actual serviceman (or woman) might think of how they're being represented. Until you came along, I was left to wonder, abstract academic thinker that I am.
You might think that you're not bright, or that you're a bad writer, but take it from someone who is respected in those fields, (not on AICN necessarily) you do just fine, buddy. You consistently say what needs to be said, and heard, more importantly, by the very people who employ flowery and incendiary language in your name.
I keep my real identity pretty closely guarded. I don't reveal much about my real life on these boards, partly because it's no one's fucking business, but also because I find it a liberating forum in it's anonymity. That said, I respect your forthrightness and honesty, and more than anything your generosity in offering what you have offered this forum. We can argue all day long about how Brett Ratner fucked the X-Men franchise and how the new phrase du jour should or shouldn't be "Nuked the Fridge" over "jumped the Shark", but when it matters, when people reveal themselves to care about things that matter, you're one of the few anonymous strangers on this board, in this forum, on the internet that I respect whithout reservation. Who gives a fuck if you can't spell, buddy, your words mean more than most of the trash spoken here, including my own.
Cheers, and good luck, my anonymous brother.
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I agree. Even barring a "real" Giant Robot Lion, if they were smart they would look for a Lion Statue, Lion Headed Landmark or failing that hit the Zoo.
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Hello Brother. I just got home and was checking mail, when I decided to look over here. I had no intention of posting anything, but then I read yours. I can only say: Wow! A few weeks ago, back in the Greengrass TB, you paid me an enormous compliment regarding what I had posted about how the Marine or Soldier really feels in a war, and how they(we) do not care about politics when bullets are whizzing by, but how the men and women fighting next to us are the most important things and people in the world, because they and they alone will determine if we get home safe -not someone sitting on a couch thousands of miles away who only 'knows' what it means to be in the service by watching a John Wayne movie. I did not know until after you responded, that we were brothers, but when you revealed your service, I was proud. That feeling pales in comparison with how I feel about you now and what you wrote tonight. I felt myself swelling with pride reading your words and feeling the passion behind them. And I never want to hear again you saying that you can not write! And as far as intelligence goes, you take a backseat to no one in these parts. The reasons for service is not monolithic, and too often those who have never worn the uniform, or even contemplated doing so, form opinions based upon completely inaccurate knowledge and personal bias. It is not necessary to wear the uniform to feel the pride in what it represents, and I was always proud and honored to wear it. A long as people who have never worn the uniform do what you said, and look at us as people, not martinets, then a mutual understanding can take place. I say this truly, your opinion of me in this TB is the only one that matters. You proved beyond a shdow of a doubt the meaning of : Semper Fi. And my mere words can not express the depth of my feeling in knowing that the Corps will always be great as long as men like you are in it.
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seriously, what the hell is going on in the NE cities right now? Whenever the local news (Boston) isn't covering the greenline T crash or massive fires, they're covering cranes collapsing in NY or all sorts of other shit along those lines in other towns. Man, I know local news is always depressing, but it's even more depressing when it's actually news.
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I meant New England, and I lumped NY in with it. Preemptive apologies to any real Yankees regional sensibilities by including NY.
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Instead of the Statue of Liberty head we have the 2 Stone Lions from the NY Public Library torn from their plinths and hurtling down a street smashing cars aside like bowling pins eventually coming to rest next to the handheldcameradude amid screams of "It's a LION and theres TWO of them !" cut to black - cloverfield 2.
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Very nice, touching post. I for one am very happy that you did come out of the closet. You really are the only person in armed services that I communicate with, even if it is mostly to talk about someone's large "cans". :) You have accomplished your goal of giving the armed forces some kind of human voice for me, if not a face. And you are not a bad writer. Can you really land on a one foot target from 30,000 feet?
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It’s puzzling really. Hate monger, hate Magnet, bizarrely enraged, the unwelcome guest who stubbornly refuses to shut up or leave, tirelessly making overbearing and vicious attacks on anybody perceived to disagree with his strange belief system.
And when he’s contradicted or corrected, unable to concede any error. Like Monty Python’s Black Knight, limbs amputated, immobilized in his own gore, still issuing dire threats and impotent challenges.
Does medical science shed any light on this sick puppy? Probably.
DSM_IV - the American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition - provides the following glaring illumination:
301.0 Paranoid Personality Disorder:
They exhibit pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others. They persistently bear grudges and are unwilling to forgive the insults, injuries, or slights they think that they have received. Minor slights arouse major, persistent, hostility. Often feel that their character or reputation has been attacked or that they have been slighted in some way – quick to counter-attack and react with anger to perceived insults. Generally difficult to get along with. Hypervigilant for potential threats. Their excessive suspiciousness and hostility may be expressed in overt argumentativeness, recurrent complaining or hostile aloofness. Although they may appear to be rational, they display labile affect with hostile, stubborn and sarcastic expressions predominating. Their combative and suspicious nature may elicit a hostile response in others, confirming their original expectations. Rigid, critical of others, but unable to accept criticism. Attribute malevolent motivations to others, tend to develop negative stereotypes by simplistic formulations of the world, may be perceived as “fanatics” and form tightly knit groups with others who share their paranoid belief systems.
Does that sound startlingly familiar?
Then stir in a dash of 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Which all suggests that debating him is a waste of time.
And Xiphos, thanks for those candid posts.
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Speaking of cans, have you checked out the scriptgirl talkback? As much as your post inspired some proud and warm feelings here, her cleavage has inspired some raging hard-ons over there. Hysterical.
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The villains in this story are the developers and contractors who, it seems, are trying to rebuild NYC in a matter of a few years. They're rushing their projects and putting deadlines above safety. From the people I see on these sites, it looks like they employ a lot of non-union, untrained labor too. And the buildings department is understaffed, with no real oversight on all the city's projects. If they had the balls, they'd put a stop order on every single project and go through them with a fine tooth comb - deadlines be damned.
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Just read your post about HALO. Had no idea what that meant, but goddamn!!
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That is, if more MLRS were deployed. It still burns me up that the Army seized the lead in rocketry, and we are still playing catch-up. I know all about the bugs colon, but I could wipe out the entire nest! HALO? Much respect. I was just a static line jumper.
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Dude, you are one of the posters on this board that I have a great deal of respect for. And I always look forward to reading what you have to say. Now, back to geekdom. The mention of Spiderman and lions -although not in the same breath, reminded me of Kraven. Didn't he wear Lion skin? TomBodet, what does that mean? Well, I am out of here soon, it is a great day here in the East, and I am going to ride! And fellow bikers around here? I have an '06 Heritage.
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something u should all contemplate about bush/gore 2000 is that if the american voting process wasnt hijacked by the republicans and the supreme court, which just handed bush the presidency without counting the votes of harworking, taxpaying americans there would have been alot of differences...no 9/11, which means no 3000 lives lost in nyc, no loss of american soldiers in both afghanistan and iraq, no budget deficit...it all doesnt happen if gore is elected president... ...want a preview for the future if obama gets the democratic nomination ? every democrat will vote for mccain, mccain gets elected in a landslide and he keeps troops in iraq, then iran till he croaks of old age, which will prob be before his first term is up..then god knows what hick the vice president will prob be , will keep us there even longer....btw if anyone thinks the american people are going to vote for obama in the general election, think again....based on comments by his wife, and also his "life-long" pastor, which are all racist, how far do u really think obamas apple is from that tree ? not far at all...vote hillary or we're in for a lot more shit before it gets better/.
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9/11 had been in the planning stages for years, and regardless of the missed signals and ignored intelligence, it is highly unlikely that a Gore administration would have been fundamentally more alert than Bush was - one of the biggest problems was within the FBI, and at a level that would not have been affected by Presidential appointment. I hope you are wrong about Obama's electability though.Now, it is time to ride!
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Cheers man, the feeling is definitely mutual.
Since someone brought up Obama- slkboxrman, are you honestly trying to use that argument? Do you honestly still believe that? After what we've seen in the last 6 months or so, you still think Obama doesn't have a chance? take off the blindfold, buddy. I think you might be in for a shock.
About the comments made by his pastor, wife, sherpa, whathaveyou, no one makes anything of those things but the right-wing media. No one was really able to gain any traction in their Bush-bashing when Billy Graham was sticking his foot in this mouth on a daily basis. That kind of agit-prop shit never really convinces anyone who isn't already convinced.
Obama's only real blunder was the one of his own making- the 'bitter' comments about Pennsylvanians. Ironic that now, 5 minutes later, after repeating it ad nauseum for anyone that will listen and trotting it out as proof of Obama's elitism (which it is, but so what) Hillary is essentially making the same statement, by telling people that a Black man can't defeat McCain.
Why not? Is it because Americans are racist? Maybe even...bitter, you might say? Claiming your race as your pedigree in politics is something we haven't seen for a long time. Kennedy was persecuted for being an Irish Catholic, but even back then it was considered in bad taste for his political opponents to roll it out against him. The American people have already voted for Obama. how do you think he's gotten this far?
To think that all of a sudden, Joe and Jane public are going to slap their foreheads and declare... "DANG! Whut am ah thankin' voting for a negro? That wuz a close one!" ...is naive, to put it fucking mildly.
All this to say, I'm not actually voting for Obama in November. I think Hillary is about as good or bad a candidate as Obama is for the Dems, it don't matter much to me. It's silly though, really, really, silly, to listen to Hillary's last-ditch, desperate campaign strategy and think it's divine truth. -
I'm trying to get a hold of the book right now actually.
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Hehe Homer found it on his old leather Jecket in the Spinal Tap Ep if I remembers rightly.
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over his own apparent, and embarassing, inadequacies. Because there's a difference between real machismo (as in a Marine) and "bullshit machismo", the kind of verbal BSing exhibited by the likes of virginal basement dwelling anti-social misfits like Brane. When taken to task, he lashes out like a little bitch. Hence, the continuing implosion of Shitforbranes with no end in sight. Or until his mommy cuts off the net access.
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The only thing preventing any man from appreciating those nice hooters is (1) homosexuality and (2) voluntary mental illness, as in the case of Brane.
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I was not trying to denigrate the discussing of a woman's cans. That should start at 14 and never end. Wars have been fought over the majestic majesty of nice, supple tits.
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But that my friend is one hellofa impressive feat. I'm gonna use you as a stunt man in one of my flicks.
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Not surprisingly, the obvious eludes you. Everyone is simply finding satisfaction in watching you self-destruct. As for your psycho-analyzing anyone else ... words can't describe how completely inane that is.
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And leave it to Brane, of all toxic motards, to tell us what "real men" need or don't need. Maybe by shining example he wants to convince us that real men don't need a woman either.
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That gives me a creepy feeling all over ...
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Jun 01, 2008 9:23:39 PM CDT
BETTER THINGS THAN BRANE: TITS AND GIANT ROBOT LIONS
by bringingsexyback
Both more intelligent than him too.
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Apparently Brane doesn't have a comment either. He finds it hard to keep up with normal conversation. Chalk it up to a total lack of real life experience to help him out here.
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Just wanted to give you a shout out.
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Been a long time. Thanks to Brane, he brings out all the "homies" cuz it's beatdown time!
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on a separate talkback, but I don't remember what the topic was. I do remember though there being some kind of a middle ground that was found.
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Remember, it was Vicious Fishus who actually injected Brane with some antidote for whatever ailment he's suffering, but alas, it was not long-lasting. As we now see.
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I imagine you SCREAMING THE SUBJECT LINE INTO MY EAR then immediately whispering as fast as you can
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And I'll do it until ChocolateReign enters the sanitarium over it ...
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and i love it
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Just straight...
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They'd rather stay destitute in a poor Russian town.
BWAAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!! -
A student asked a professor of economics: - What is the difference between socialism and capitalism? The professor answered - Capitalism is the exploitation of humans by humans The Student: - And socialism? The professor: - It's the inverse of course.
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Jun 01, 2008 10:35:22 PM CDT
JIMMY CARTER OPENED THE FLOODGATES FOR RUSSIAN BABES
by bringingsexyback
Reagan just took credit for it.
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PIG!
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I know- it was to satisfy my curiosity. I wanted to see if Brane would latch on to it.
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That sterilisation comment is not a valid conservative argument. It's a pretty awful piece of social engineering that smacks of intolerance and a fundamental lack of understanding of human nature. The consequences of such a move would be truly, truly dreadful, but I'm not surprised that you think it is a plan with some merit.
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If he actually replies to you in any meaningful way to your questions I'll stop posting for a month.
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only enlisted to go to college (which is obvious horseshit) and is one of the more enlightened, erudite posters (not to mention that he also has one of the clearest styles and makes concise arguments), then maybe Brane should enlist for the same reasons. It would probably do him good. And who wants to bet that he has never been outside of 'merica...
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Re-reading the thread, TKD got on me quite correctly for propagating a truly dreadful argument. He obviously understood it- there wasn't much to misunderstand. I'm glad to see you support it though.
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The reason why I think so highly of you is reflected in your reply to me. You did not fly off the handle or even try to defend the indefensible. In short, you are an adult. Now, lets make this a Changian TB!
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30, really? LOL. I have three. But in my defense, after you have fired a 155mm, everything else pales in comparison! Just about every male in my family was in the service at one time or another. It was a no-brainer for me. And yes, I took advantage of every benefit possible, and proudly so.
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First Brane- From the post you've just put up; "Nowhere did I say I want sterilization or supported it nor did I ever say it was a valid conservative argument." Then from the post at 03:06:55 on 30th may- "As usual, you have a poor understanding of points others try to make. You're so dense, you're rapidly becoming a joke with your facile retorts. When a Liberal responds to a perfectly valid conservative argument with invective, as the Illiberal Warrior does every time, you praise him". These are your words. Just yours. The "perfectly valid" argument in question was the sterilisation one that is totally beyond the pale. Furthermore, this post also implies your tacit support of such a position. WHo's lying now?
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it was a piece of trollbait, and it wasn't very effective. I should have made it race specific.
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If you ever want to see a grown man weep(iutside of Brane when he gets smacked down) - just follow me to the gas staion every week!<p
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Once again you never learn. "TKD only takes on right wingers for their hypocrisy or whatever, never the left" - this is my response to slkboxrman when he said Gore would have prevented 9/11 "9/11 had been in the planning stages for years, and regardless of the missed signals and ignored intelligence, it is highly unlikely that a Gore administration would have been fundamentally more alert than Bush was - one of the biggest problems was within the FBI, and at a level that would not have been affected by Presidential appointment" But I guess slkboxrman is a right winger. Nitwit.
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*sigh* The quote was from your response to TKD when he castigated me for that very, very illiberal policy. and as for "Only a conservative can make a conservative argument" complete horseshit. Just admit you fucked up. We all do. BTW- in the London election I voted CONSERVATIVE.
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It's the best time of the day to go fuck yourself.Quote: "these guys are such sub-moronic abortions of human beings, that they need to be shot down at every chance, and I am only too glad to do so."Uh, when and where did this happen? Because all I've seen since May 25th is you getting your ass kicked at every possible exchange. Seeing as how you're a "c"onservative who prefers to live in a world of shit, that doesn't surprise me.You keep saying/repeating that no one reads your posts...or that they folks can't seem to "comprehend" them. -- Not to mention your penchant for calling people "liars" (i.e. me) or "Liberal scum" (i.e. everyone else) --.Brane, have you ever stopped to consider what it is you post on these boards that causes so many Talkbackers to take offense? I mean, have you ever truly considered it? Maybe if you were to examine your own rhetoric, you would find that maybe you're not explaining yourself or your views in a crystal clear, concise manner. Or, you may find (and this is the more likely discovery) that you are simply a lunatic who trolls these boards out of frustration and contempt. And when confronted by well-informed talent, you panic and sink further into denial and bullshit.I find it hilarious that you have dodged numerous questions thrown your way while opting for spiteful posts loaded with outright falsehoods. I guess it's just easier for you to paint everyone with that same "Liberal scumbag/sub-moronic" brush of yours instead of taking into account critical assessments of your statements. Sucks to be you, eh?I'm glad to see my fellow Talkbackers have continued to hold you to account and have kept this TB alive for all to see. Kudos.
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How the fuck you can have the bare faced cheek to question someone else's comprehension is a mystery. I've taken your posts apart before line by line and you just ignore the points. This is frustrating, because you clearly are not an idiot, but your wilfull failure to recognise other perspectives is pig-headed and ultimately dangerous.
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And you're beiong stubborn- You've been massively self "pwnd" and should just admit it. Fuck me, I apologised for Diggers for slating him over Indy. It isn't a crime to be wrong occasionally.
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A special shout-out to you, man. That was a hell of a post you made earlier. And don't discredit your writing skills. You were heard LOUD and CLEAR.
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curse my sloppy typing. "We used to smarter"
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"TKD NEVER takes on a Liberal who spouts bullshit, he only takes on conservatives"
slkboxrman said"something u should all contemplate about bush/gore 2000 is that if the american voting process wasnt hijacked by the republicans and the supreme court, which just handed bush the presidency without counting the votes of harworking, taxpaying americans there would have been alot of differences...no 9/11, which means no 3000 lives lost in nyc" I responded "9/11 had been in the planning stages for years, and regardless of the missed signals and ignored intelligence, it is highly unlikely that a Gore administration would have been fundamentally more alert than Bush was - one of the biggest problems was within the FBI, and at a level that would not have been affected by Presidential appointment"
Brane, if you would just stop and think for ONE minute, and not try and lump people into categories that only serves your narrow purpose, then perhaps you would make a more persuasive argument instead of being the AICN equivalent of the town joke. And that is exactly what you are the town joke. I have always said that I value debate from all sides, and i still do, even yours. But when you go off on these lunatic ad hominem attacks that do nothing but expose your own very, very precarious hold reality, it accomplishes nothing, it advances no argument, it convinces no one of any point you are struggling to make. Look Brane, this is a geek website, we aint solving the worlds problems here, so fine continue to act moronic, and beg for attention then contradict yourself. I came across this posted by LibWar on your very words "It's not that I actually want the attention" then a few sentences later."But again, please keep it up. I love the attention"
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Show me an example. Do it right now. Can you do it, Brane? Can ya?
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I own a big ass gas guzzler too - and I have it for many reasons. Towing, hauling, but most importantly, it provides protection in the event of mad gopher attacks. I drive a much smaller car, and my bike when possible though. Chill dude.
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I think Node was referring to what was happened to the Mets for the first 95% of the season, before they've gone on their "mini" run of winning 5 of 6.Toad, don't forget it's used to run over shitheels and infidels as well.
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and Jack chews some scenery? That one?
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For one very simple reason: I live and work in Central London and a car would be a massive waste of money. As a rule I don't like city drivers tooling around in big ass SUV's, but I'm not really sure why. Just seeing them always makes me mutter "wanker".
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pick your battles carefully
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I do not think it has much to do with intelligence. Whenever two sides to an argument start calling each other scum or other such names there isn't usually any kins of meaningful debate. Which in my opinion, is what is going on right now. What exactly are the issues being discussed here? Masculinity and guns right now. As you already pointed out Brane, that bit of psychology is a generalization. This entire last week I was in the Colorado wilds throwing axes at a target every day but I can assure you it was not to prove how manly I was. It was simply fun. Like throwing a ball around or watching a flick. People have different hobbies. My friend loves racing cars but he isn't particularly vain or deficient in testosterone. But like you said, it was a generalization. And there are some fellows who are compensating for something. Just not all. And I include Xiphos in this category.
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You do realize that a Chevy Blazer is not even a full-size SUV? It's at best a midsize and such vehicles have utility in hauling lots of stuff. In fact, for hauling things it's more fuel-efficient than requiring multiple trips with a car. And in any case, Xi even bought a used Kia from a widower - a much more energy efficient and sensible thing to do than to buy a new car. FWIW I don't think Xi has even a smidgeon of arrogance. For a guy whose capabilities put many here to shame, he's awfully humble. As for owning guns - I'd rather he own 30 of them than some lunatic like Brane to own 1. Knowm sayin'?
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My bone!
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Yes, but I'm not comfortable with Brane owning anything that may be a weapon. Not even a rubber chicken.
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The infamous Jimmy Carter Man from Plains Fascist talkback. Let's not get into that one again please.
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Too bad it backfires every time he shoots it.
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Been to a couple of games at Shea.I'll go to a few more, probably next one will be vs. the Yanks.
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Chill out. Until this country has some kind of viable energy policy, there is absolutely no cause for jumping on Xi for owning a Blazer.
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Sort of like Brane, but with an agenda.
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Sort of like Brane, but with an agenda.
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Many of them own guns, rifles mostly for deer hunting. I did some target practice with them, but could never bring myself to kill Bambi. Didn't stop me from eating up the venison jerky though, that is some fine gourmet. Fucking delicious!
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Changian TB! I just smited shitheels! I was in a meeting that turned into a finger pointing session, so I pulled out my butane powered cigar torch, dumped some fuel on a handy No. 2, lit that puppy on fire, and launched it onto the infidels! The screams of outrage made the noble sacrifice of the No. 2 worthwhile.
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But the deer and wild turkey populations are in serious need of culling. With little to no natural predators, they are starting to get as obnoxious as Brane!
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Office infidels are the lowest form of scum. In other depressing news: I'm back on Quota time. Curse my poxy IT department.
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Or if you do, feel free to reload and have another go.
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at all. I don't understand the reason for them, or the passion that keeping guns seems to arouse. This isn't some liberal thing, but a cultural difference.
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saw Indy 4 this weekend. Bad. Very bad.
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Good work at culling the infidel population!Venison is delicious.No need for chrism to populate these boards. Really.
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Probably stems historically from the Revolution.
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I was going to say it was because of Dirty Harry. I think it's his fault.
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Very nice. And did you know that there is no such thing as an American Buffalo. We have bison. Africa has buffalo. So in effect, Buffalo Bill never killed any buffalo at all.
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I've only had buffalo, er bison, burgers.
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here's a recap: "What you LIEberal's don't understand is that I'm an educated Black Man and I'm voting for MCCAIN/ CONDI 2008. What? Nobody mentioned race? well I am, and what you LIBTARDS don't understand is that an INTELLIGENT BLACK MAN can despise BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA the one-term serving no-experience America hating racist." ad fucking nauseum.
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or Wildebeest or something. All tastes the same anyway
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And being confronted with an ethical dilemma. Should one torture to obtain information? I wanted to kill that bastard for withholding information about the girl. Little did I know there would be serious discussion of such a thing when I grew up.
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Surely then the Right to Bear Arms enshrined in the 2nd Amendment should be reformed? I mean it is over 200 years since.
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I also had buffalo burgers.
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I'm so, so sorry for that. I can't even bring myself to put in the punchline.
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But it didn't completely suck either. I'm just not enthusiastic about it, and I can't summon up the venom to hate it either. It was just lacklustre.
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What's wrong with a bit of arrogance? I have a friend, loyal, honest, dear friend, who's line is always: "What's wrong with being arrogant if you have every right to be?" Sort of funny, but also true. I have to point out, also, Xiphos doesn't seem 'arrogant' at all to me.
I understand where you're coming from, and in a way, I agree with you, that the way things are now, we all have to limit our appetites and sacrifice a bit of the instant wish-fulfillment we've always taken for granted as privileged westerners. We feel entitled to our entitlements, and fuck anyone who says different. I agree, if there was ever a time we needed to take a moment, and take stock of how our privilege has become a burden (at least of conscience) now is that time.
But here's the thing, it has to be something we come to on our own. You can't preach this form of self-sacrifice from the pulpit. I don't own a car, never have, I ride a nice hybrid bike and it gets me where I need to go. If I need a car I rent one. You'll never see me with one of those "one less car" stickers on my helmet however, that is the sole province of the 'wanker', as Jarv would say. Do I think I'm making the world a better place by not driving? I guess in some, infinitesimal way, but I don't disparage anyone for owning a car, not really. I do take deep umbrage at the assholes driving gigantor Hummers around my city though, those people truly are wankers, and probably would be no matter what they drove.
I guess I'm saying balance the truth of what you say against the benefit of saying it. I don't care what Xi drives, personally, or how many guns he owns. He lives in the country, different set of rules. And I know, these sacrifices and entitlements that we're re-evaluating are national, if not continent-wide, but still, patience. Preaching will get you nowhere. Lead by example. -
And I'm no constitutional scholar by any means, it clearly seems to be talking about a militia.
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It is very dry, but excellent on the grill, especially, when wrapped in bacon.
Jarv it is beyond a doubt a cultural thing, that probably had its roots in the revolution. If you read any old west stories, you would swear that the gang violence and gunplay was ripped out of todays headlines. Guns are part of this society, and will always be so. I am in favor of stricter gun controls, but no the elimination of ownership. One of the bigegst problems facing any type of legislative change, is that advocacy groups seem to believe that if you give an inch on ANY issue regardless of how sensible, it will open the doors to more legislation that will nbe restrictive. That holds true for every divisive issue, not just guns. -
Jesus, what was I thinking? Just writing his name could have been some sort of summoning spell. I should be more careful.
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They're the ones I'm talking about. Wankers.
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I really don't. I can understand Rifles for hunting and shit like that, but it is fucking uzi's and rocket launchers and shit like that. It's a complete cultural difference, really, and we are often bemused by it on this side of the pond.
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And I tend to agree with Toad regarding gun control/ownership.And Node, while I agree with a decent amount of what you say, you tend to veer off into extremism sometimes. And Indy was merely okay for me, but glad to hear that you loved it.
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with the missing bits: "I just don't get it. I really don't. I can understand rifles for hunting and shit like that, but I cannot make the mental leap to Uzi's and Rocket Launchers etc." Sorry.
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Don't get me wrong..seeing ford inthe fedora was worth the price of admission, but as far as a sequel...ouch. i did have a question...When INdy is at area 51, how did he know what the russian were looking for? i mean, he knew to use the megnetic field to find it, but I thought he was under the impression that they were looking for the arc.
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I'm off home now. To circumvent Quota Time I've logged in as one of them. That'll teach the cunts, but 'tis the end of my day and I have a date with This is England and some Guinness. Have fun guys.
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My bad, I thought it was the same truck as the GMC Jimmy, which is kinda smallish as I remember. One of my cuz's has a Ford F450 or something. A monster I had to really climb into. He owns a farm, so needless to say he hauls a whole lot of stuff. Not something one can do in a Honda Accord ... unfortunately.
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I thought I missed something though.
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In the UK, if you drive a honda you are a bingo playing, blue-rinsed pensioner. Funny and true. Last car I owned was a 2nd hand Ford POS that I sold when I moved to London.
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Soccer over here. You see American football is king. I happen to be a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. But even though the rest of the world loves 'Soccer' Americans do not. We take perverse pride in that. I enjoy a good soccer match, but it will never even come 1/10 as close to my love of football. Guns are the same thing. I am not a gun nut, but a proud gun owner - and I believe responsible too. I go to the range once a month. Sometimes to a buddy's farm with plenty of acreag. We shoot at targets. I am not a hunter, although I have hunted in the past. But guns, big loud powerful guns, are a draw. I admit it. Will not deny it. Two weeks ago I rented an S&W .500. I bought twenty shells at 3 bucks a pop. My thumb was sore for a week afterwards. That gun is for 'hunting' not target shooting. But it is really just a show piece. The Desert Eagle is the same.
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I'm sure one of the gun owners will correct me, but I don't think one can legally own an Uzi or rocket launcher around here. But living in NYC I have to tell you I'm very cautious, I don't fuck with people who look like they could remotely be carrying. One chick got shot a couple of years ago just for looking at a homey the wrong way. Fuck that. I wanna live and torment Brane for decades to come.
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Looks like a BMW 5, but nicer. Chris Bangles' flame surfacing is fugly on every recent Beemer, except for the 6 and 1 series. If I ever get a car though, it'll be either an Accord or the new Honda Hybrid coming out next year. The prototype pics look HOT.
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and you'll never convince us that "football" is a great sport. Although, I was reading an interesting article today about Patrick Tillman. I generally like America, my wife is American, I spend a vast amount of my disposable income on American stuff, but somethings just leave me scratching my head.
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We're talking about cars and venison and guns. Stop trying to be the center of attention, you insignificant tool.
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There's never been any evidence of you posessing an independant thought. What you do, however is recycle other people's opinions. One's that you haven't read and don't really understand. But only those that fit some nebulous and indefinable criteria.
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Have fun fellas.
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... and missed BraneRobot's crushing rejoinder to my free psych. consult.
Truly Brane, you are to internet flame wars what Stephen Hawking is to World Wrestling Entertainment.
And thanks for the delicious irony of your Black Knight-style claim of victory in the Global Warming Challenge. You certainly shook the Academies of Science of 30 countries to their foundations with your demolition of their namby pamby conclusions. That'll teach all them liberal scumbag Nobel Prizewinners to cut'n'paste scientific data from MoveOn.org.
But I have to correct you factually (yet again I'm afraid). I didn't cut'n'paste your diagnosis from DSM_IV. I took it down off the shelf and typed it out, verbatim. Because its so devastatingly accurate. -
Jun 02, 2008 11:25:51 AM CDT
BSB - to own a full auto, it must have been made before 1986
by toadkillerdog
Then you must buy it through a regsistered dealer and get a transfer. It depends on ths state though, but it can be done. The reason is why would you do it? I have a problem with some types of weapons in the hands of civilians, and full autos are one of them. Yes, they are a helluva lot of fun to fire, but very few ranges allow rapid fire of even semi-autos, so full autos would be prohibited. Firing outdoors on private property, ok, but still do you need that for target shooting? No, you can not own a rocket launcher.
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Cheerios
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I am reposting.
Once again you never learn. "TKD only takes on right wingers for their hypocrisy or whatever, never the left" - this is my response to slkboxrman when he said Gore would have prevented 9/11
"9/11 had been in the planning stages for years, and regardless of the missed signals and ignored intelligence, it is highly unlikely that a Gore administration would have been fundamentally more alert than Bush was - one of the biggest problems was within the FBI, and at a level that would not have been affected by Presidential appointment"
But I guess slkboxrman is a right winger.
Nitwit.
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Jun 02, 2008 11:31:21 AM CDT
THEN I GUESS FULL AUTOS ARE LIMITED TO AVID COLLECTORS
by bringingsexyback
and not your average gangbanger. $7000? That's nuts!
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That's all I wanted to hear. You're leading by example right now.
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Toadkillerdog. Regular poster here in the talkbacks.
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Jun 02, 2008 11:39:04 AM CDT
Irritable- not to worry, it was appreciated by the rest of us.
by samsquanch
cheers.
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I thought they stopped making the Camaro? Or was that the Firebird? The new Dodges are nicely designed, I give them that. My dream car has been and always will be the Acura NSX. What a gorgeous work of art - the original with the black roof. I wish I could get one.
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At least it is a name that lends itself to shortening well. I have another boring meeting rapidly approaching. Will be some serious name calling going on in there! Xiphos, I like the new Challenger, but the old Charger still kicks ass.
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That's right, absolutely fucking no one.
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cheers fellas
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Tis a victim of the same problem any blockbuster that appears on this and other sites have because it engenders huge anticipation & massive amounts of Hype.
If I had seen Indy 4 without knowing anything about it and not knowing the pedigree I would have thought, yeah that's a fairly good film especially compared to the crap that passes for some of the films I have seen.
BUT it's been hyped to death has Lucas on board and so is a target for the vociferous who will jump on anything Lucas as well as those who think it was a bad idea to have a new indy film in the first place. Counterbalanced by the devotion of those fans who can't get enough of Indy or Spielberg/Lucas.
Result Huuuuge anounts of bomb throwing by both sides of the shit/great divide and alot of noise which after viewing the film signified nothing.
I just can't work up any enthusiasm either way. To shit on it from a great hieght or to praise it to the skys. It's not worth that kind of mad attention. If I had managed to ignore all the hype I would undoubtedly have been more impressed with it but at the same time there are things in that Movie that would have had me raising my eyebrows and shattering the suspension of disbelief no matter what the background was.
Iron Man has been one of the few examples that seemed to break through all the Hype and stood fairly solidly on it's own merits but it's still IMHO just a great Superhero film and NOT the second coming in Movies.
I just hope Dark Knight can raise the bar yet again.
BTW I think it's a bit pointless to hammer anything that isn't a Hybrid or an Electric these days. Gas isn't going to be coming down anytime soon so there IS a dicincentive built in now days. The skyrocketing price of Oil has made the development of new fuel cars not just cost effective but highly profitable now and there is no reason we won't be seeing Hummers and large SUVs with a huge reduction of emmissions in the near future. The size or make of the car isn't the thing. If Xiphos could get a Blazer that ran more efficiently on a cheaper fuel I'm sure he might consider one. Sure there's a romanticism associated with muscle cars, V8's and certain brands but it's the same kind of devotion some have to Supercars and it too will become a Rich mans pursuit before too long if the Oil price keeps rising. -
Let's resume cartalk later. Beats politics!
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I just re-read your last post. Then I went back and read mine to you. Talk about cherry picking! You only pulled out and commented on the quote of yours that Libwar pulled from your own post. You cheery picked that one - and did a laughable job of defending it, but still you ignored your oft mentioned "TKD NEVER takes on a Liberal who spouts bullshit, he only takes on conservatives" . I then proceed to post my response to slkboxrman, who is not a conservative. Did you respond to that?
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Since this TB has gone off the tracks anyway, I figured I'd ask a sorta-on-topic (topical to one thread) question. I have my answer (from the 60's no less!) but I'm just curious about the general perception.
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... sunburned rustics? Collarless Amish?
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...what Stephen Hawking is to World Wrestling Entertainment."
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There are no "rednecks" in Oz?
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... giving them away free with iPods, shooting them out of T-shirt guns at football matches.
Dr Paz- it's an Honour! -
I just got cheesed off with BR for his spitefulness and jumped in.
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Yeah it's a hell of a price and the exact opposite of a Hummer and certainly not anything like a Blazer, BUT the idea that performance electrics or high performance SUV hybrids or even something as simple as FAR better Miles Per Gallon being still in the realms of science fiction just ain't the case.
I'm not telling you to dump your High Torque High Powered High Gas vehicle Xiphos, I'm saying you are going to be priced out of it more and more whether you like it or not and that the alternatives aren't all the antithesis of the kind of car you value.
There's an increasing apprecitaion in the automotive world that the new types of cars we WILL be seeing in the coming years won't all be tiny euro-cars but some of them may even outperform the old ones. The days of "green" cars just being one off types such as the Prius are gone and every Big Auto manufaturer is looking at their bottom lines in the face of sales of Gas inefficient vehicles dropping like a stone.
They know they won't get you and most of AMerica into a Prius and they will be pushing the next generation of Hybrids and Electrics hard because nobody thinks the Oil price is a "blip". -
Colonies on the moon ? Meals in a pill ? Hypersonic passenger jets ? Cities under the sea ? Hoverboards ?
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http://tinyurl.com/3qyl4d
The GS450h luxury sedan combines a 3.5-litre, direct-injection V6 engine rated at 218kW and 368Nm with an electric motor that generates a claimed 147kW and 275Nm right from standstillTheir combined output of 255kW makes this the most powerful hybrid on the planet.
The company says it's capable of 0-100km/h in 5.9sec, 80-120km/h in 4.9sec and a top speed of 250km/h, rivalling the performance of its V8 rivals but with "significantly lower fuel consumption" - 7.9 litres/100km in combined cycle driving.
Yep sadly it too is very pricey but these are the first generation real commercial vehicles and Americas Big 3 Auto makers will sure as shit be bringing out more of the same lest they get left behind. -
Yeah
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...gimme yer definition of a redneck. Can't leave poor irritable and Node as the only responders.
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Uh, have you ever heard of the comedian Jeff Foxworthy? Seek and ye shall find.;^)
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The "chicks named Lerleen," cracked me up!
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Check this car out - it's coming out next year as Honda's Prius-fighter:
http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/?gallery=1
Beauty ain't it? Sweet!
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Check this car out - it's coming out next year as Honda's Prius-fighter:
http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/?gallery=1
Beauty ain't it? Sweet!
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I for one don't wanna touch it because I don't wanna denigrate anyone for the amount of money they have or don't. Jeff Foxworthy and Larry The Cable Guy have a helluva fortune, despite being rednecks. All I can tell you is, if you got a mullet, you're definitely a redneck.
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That's without a doubt.
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Are the classic Simpsons stereotypes though the reformed alcoholic travelling jug band and shirtless Zeke seem to be cut from the same cloth.
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Would they count ?
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Brane's infamous "Srebrenica = a few broken eggs" talkback:
http://tinyurl.com/5vlcbk
And here's the hysterically masturbatory Ann Coulter/Joe McCarthy talkback:
http://tinyurl.com/6owlf2
You will find his posts under the username "Thunderballs".
Sorry, Brane -- I know you think that ridiculing me for having "Word documents" with your posts would somehow make me stop, but it won't. It's my patriotic duty to keep fighting you wherever and whenever you show up. AICN is a small arena, to be sure, but even here we must do what we can to keep America safe from evil sociopathic ghouls like you. -
http://tinyurl.com/5cawgp
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In fact, every culture does. Check out a Canadian show called 'Trailer Park Boys'. It's actually where I got my screen name from, and it's fuckin hilarious.
I'm a reformed redneck. That is, grew up redneck, moved to the big city, got some class, and now my sister makes fun of my city 'accent'. Her name's Lerleen, btw. (j/k, but close) I still rock the 'Canadian Tuxedo' from time to time. You can take the boy out of the country... -
...since this arena is the only place where I have any interaction with you, it will have to suffice. Needless to say, it does the trick. The good thing is that you're aware of how weird people consider your politics in real life and therefore you keep schtum about them, say, at work. Your only outlet is on internet boards like this one. I, on the other hand, have no problem talking politics in any environment. Therefore, this arena is more important to you than it is to me. I don't have to worry about your vile, nutty propaganda affecting anyone in the real world, and I've played a part in making you completely radioactive here, so I'm pretty content.
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I believe that in Scotland for example there is also the "Ned" who is of the same breed as the Chav but apparently pre-dates them.
Though even more intriguingly there is evidence of REAL Deep South afficianados in a great many places in Scotland who fly the Confederate Flag and attend country and western clubs, quick draw competitions and line dancing nights religiously.
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two towns right next to one another will hate eachother's guts, even though everyone's pretty much related.
Check out this funny Canadian redneck shit:
http://tinyurl.com/53wzqg
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Nobody here actually believes that about you, you know. However, I'm glad you admitted that people view you as an insufferable cunt whenever you try to talk politics in the real world. I knew I had you pegged correctly. No doubt I'm right about everything else as well, like you "waiting for the right woman".
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Ever visit Turlock? I think a good third of this state is redneck. We've got both the space and the weather for their kind to flourish.
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That must mean new political talkback wars. In brighter news, Obama will be confirmed as the Dem party candidate in a matter of days. FINALLY! Just let Hillary bow out gracefully (Bill kinda did already today), and let's move this country forward already.
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..."meltdown"? Really? That's like the third or fourth time over the past week or so that I've seen you try to reverse something that's being said about you and hurl it at someone else. Weak.
And no, people don't generally go apeshit over Republican views which are within the realm of reason, any more than they go nuts over Democratic views within the realm of reason and decency. My guess is that you simply cannot abide anyone to the left of you which, since you never answered my question about that, means the rest of the population of the planet, i e "leftist filth".
Man, I'd love to see the look on a potential date's face when you start sharing your views on ethnic cleansing in the Balkans. Then again, if you pay the "date" enough, I'm sure she'll give you any look you ask for. Yeah, I'm sure you have an awesome "love life". I'm certain that "right" woman will come along any day now. After all, who can resist the charms of a murderous, sociopathic, crypto-fascist homunculus? -
Fucking hate them. Rude, uncouth bastards. A brief history of the chav goes as follows:- The word itself is an acronym for "Council Housed And Violent", and perfectly describes them. The chav is a revolting section of the UK population that can mostly be found hanging around bus shelters smoking Lambert and Butler. Easily recognisable through their distinctive shell suit tracksuit and Hoody plumage, sometimes adorned on the Alpha Male with a baseball cap and so much knock off Argos gold jewellery that it is a miracle they can stand semi-erect. Education: Negligible.Prospects: Zero. Other distinguishing characteristics: Many of them will be furnished with at least one "Asbo" (Anti-Social Behavioural Order) which will be a source of some considerable pride. YOu nger Chav's/ chavettes will often be seen swigging from a bottle of "Sunny D" (A radioactive orange drink that has no oranges in it and will actually turn you orange eventually). Frequently seen in the company of vicious dogs (that we suspect may actually be smarter than their owners) which may or may not be called “Asbo”. The chav is bizarrely proud of his mobile phone, and other pieces of “Bling”. The term itself is only recent, and the Scottish equivalent is “Ned”. The football Hooligans that we inflicted on Europe in the 80’s were a sort of proto-chav, but at least had some sort of purpose that the current chav lacks. I want to point out that it isn’t a class or money issue. It’s a fucking mindset and one we could do without.
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THe power in Britain is NOT in the Royal Family. It hasn't been for a fuck of a long time, your ignorance of Britain and Europe is astounding,
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You weren't that far off. They're a sort of urban redneck, except they've no inclination to work. They hunt in packs, and can be easily smelt from fucking miles away because they lather themselves in either Lynx for men or whatever aftershave is currently en vogue. They took to wearing Burberry clothing like a duck to water so often their cap is in that brown tartan. It's a mystery how they can afford it,
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The chav thinks Jordan (plastic model with giant fake tits) is sexually attractive, The Sun is a good newspaper, and that INGURLAND would only win the world cup if it wasn't for those fucking dago's. They aren't wiggers because frequently they are actively racist, and they are massively xenophobic. Yet despite this every summer they flock to some Iberian concrete tourist hellhole (Benidorm, any of the Baleariacs or Canary isles)where you can't buy any Spanish food or drink, but you sure as fuck can get Carling on tap, a full English breakfast and everywhere has Sky Sports. Once landing in Majorca (Pronounced MAJ-YORK-A) or Ibiza (Pronounced I-BEEF-A) they will cook themselves to a gentle shade of vermillion, refuse to talk spanish ("It's for them facking dagos, innit?"), pick up a few venereal diseases from willing chavettes (no spaniard would touch one), and start a fight that may or may not involve a night in prison.And we wonder why Europe hates us.
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No, Germany is still despised. Something to do with repeatedly invading the rest of Europe. We were never Europe's most loved nation, but the real hatred among the Med countries started with the explosion in package holidays and cheap air travel in the 80's. We had been blighting mainland Europe for a while with hooligans, but it was the ability of the chav to travel (something that had previously been too expensive) that really exposed the Med to our worst inhabitants. It's now got to the stage where many of the islands are virtual no go areas if you want to avoid them- and it is purely economic- A few years ago I spent 10 days with the girlfriend at the time on one of the undiscovered (at the time) greek Islands for less than the flight out would cost. It was a nice island that has now been defiled by our tourists. The whole thing is embarrasing, and I'm quite anti-Europe. (Another Conservative trait, Brane)
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Put those guns to use man!!! We got company!!
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and the person to ask, although I am loath to say it, is Memories of cock. I can however, tell you what we think of them. Spain is tourist paradise for most Brits, and there is a fucking HUGE ex-pat community there that do nothing apart from embarrass the rest of the nation by refusing to learn Spanish or fit in with the culture in any way at all. There are general stereotypes of the Spanish that are amusing to repeat for us: they're lazy (taken them 100 facking years to build a church in Barcelona and they haven't even got the roof on yet!) etc. Personally, I love Spain. I think it is a great place and go every year (miles off the beaten track), but I wouldn’t emigrate until I learnt the language. Luckily for me, the good Mrs. Jarv is completely fluent (I always know I’m in trouble when she starts swearing at me in Spanish. Apparently, it is completely acceptable for her to call me a cunt in Spanish, but it is a word never to be used in English), so we can disassociate ourselves from the rest of the Brits.
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You know less about legislative and actual power in the UK than you do about, erm, fascism. Even the history you refer to is older than the USA. You lack insight, context, perspective, a factual basis, or any understanding of the nature and makeup of the United Kingdom.Don't comment on what you know nothing about. Just admit you fucked up, made a snide remark that you have been picked up on and give it up. Don't pretend that you have been slighted in some way, be a man and admit you made a mistake.
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because if you knew any British/ European history at all you would know when the power of the Monarchy started to be eroded- (hint: it was before America even existed.)
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You paint a helluva word picture, I can almost hear Bob Hoskins or Vinne Jones saying "facking!"
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Alba Varda's a ship. Not a woman!
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You better duck out of here, I think I saw LibWar lurking.
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posted there too, baby!
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I had a run in with a group of them when I went to get a pack of smokes this morning, Fuckers.
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Just kidding - you better change your glove though, smells kind of bad.
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It fails to mention that the Gore Legal Team never ever committed to a full state-wide recount. They insisted and attempted to make legal moves (including having the Democrat led state legislature draft new election laws DURING the recount process) to have only four districts of THEIR SELECTION be recounted. Then Gore goes on TV and says all he wants is a fair accounting of every vote. Then his lawyers attempt to block all the votes of everyone serving overseas in the military because their absentee ballots were late. Problem: the law in FLA always allowed extra time for people who had to vote from places like submarines 100s of feet below the surface of the ocean - that kind of thing. Gore's Lawyers pushed a bill through the FLA legislature to change that law so that nobody overseas in the military (traditionally republican voters) could count. The bill was NARROWLY shot down.
Im a centrist, but more than that, Im a purist when it comes to historical fact - and this movie paints a very one sided view of the events, and even stoops to outright character lampooning of anyone who doesn't fit with the film's mission statement. -
you are on top of your game today, moonbeam
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Just give it up man.
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and it gives me a chance to get out of the office frequently. Sure, I know that they'll kill me, but I was sort of expecting some respiratory disease or cancer. I wasn't expecting being knifed by a 13 year old because I wouldn't buy him beer at 9 o'clock in the morning.
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Jun 03, 2008 9:27:32 AM CDT
Not trying at all glove - just wasting time until next meeting
by toadkillerdog
You aint worth working-up a fuss about. You have proven your craven, cowardly worth countless times on this very thread. All anyone has to do is scroll-up. No words of mine needed. I am surprised you popped back up though, and I really do hope Libwar shows up - of course you will just run away - again, with the flag of 'victory' in your back pocket. Off to my meeting, but I will be back sunshine.
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it doesn't mean they have any power. BTW, cretin, this is your remark: "But in America, the power is in the people, not in the royals". I think you are actually unaware of what you type. Just be a man, admit you fucked up and I'll leave it. it's a very minor fuck up really- why should you know any European history? You're American. I know some American history because of my wife and Hollywood, but other than that I wouldn't know any. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
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Didn't "run away". I had this thing, called a "date". YOu should try it. It's where you meet memebers of the opposite sex, go out to dinner, maybe a movie and then have sex. It's pretty sweet. As far as GlibWar is concerned, there was no victory, becasue there was no battle. I don't get into a battle of wits with anyone who is unarmed. Even you. Have fun in your meeting, though. I hope Anger Management teaches you how to cope with your issues. toodles!
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You do know that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews consider themselves zionists, right? And that a majority of Israeli zionists would like to see a two-state solution, right?
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Put aside your differences!!! Robots are attacking! Toad, you take point! Braffed, you stand guard! Brane, clean the latrines!
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Israel, Palestine, and BringingSexyBackLand.
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Thoughts?
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That reminds me. Some guy bought himself an old Naval observation platform off the south coast of England. It's just far enough out to sea to make it in international waters and he called it a state. He issues diplomatic passports and everything- for a price. I think the government closed him down though.
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You did not run away? Really? Ok, because generally speaking dinner dates happen after 6PM. Perhaps it is difrerent where you live. Now, I know the dates stamps are for CST, but that is still only a one hour difference if you lived on the East coast. Your glove is stinking again. It smells of fear, lies, craveness, stupidity, and rank cowardice. Yes, glove I think you must be the most cowardly "MP" I have ever encountered. Grow a pair, or shut up. BTW I am not saying it is impossible for you to have been on date, but up until Libwar showed up that day, and called you out, you had been very loquacious. Here are the "date" stamps.Dude, Sex and the City...
by glovedone May 30th, 2008
02:52:17 PM And LibWar's calling you out - which you missed because of your "date"
Bucky shit glove
by LiberalWarrior May 30th, 2008
02:58:52 PM Six minutes. I guess it takes quite a while to get your glove cleaned for the "date".
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I think it's fucked now. What a shame.
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timestamping me now. I'm flattered. and a little scared.
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Brane can do it twice in six minutes. But only if he can avoid popping the blisters on his right palm.
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I'll get my camera and we can film the attack from a unique perspective, and then sell it to a bunch of geeks who will proclaim it to be a great post modernist fable for our times!
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And although this thread had some major fireworks, it is time. And glove, yes we know just how scared you are.
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If anything, you do make the day go by faster.
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I sort of regret that Blister comment now. It was nasty.
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Jun 03, 2008 10:35:05 AM CDT
glovedone, your posts are an eloquent expression of your stupidi
by toadkillerdog
Not to mention your cowardice. By all means, please continue to post lies, and not acknowledge huge mistakes, and to run-away from confrontations with Libwar. It is most amusing. Thank you. You do make the day go by faster.
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I'm going to go to the bathroom now. Thought you might want to know for timestamping purposes. Might even go to lunch afterwards. Clock me out for a while, princess.
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I know you failed reading comprehension, and that your eyesight is failing you as well, with all the times you confused my posts with Node. So I wanted to make sure you understood the subject title that was cut-off. No need to thank me. I would do the same for any other mentally impaired individual.
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It doesn't make sense, and TKD has 5 less letters to type. Or am I being stupid?
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Why do you have this giant blind spot where Israel is concerned? I mean seriously man, Israel is a sovreign nation that had to literally fight from day one on all sides just to exist. Do you honestly believe that given the history of the region, 'dismantling' Israel (which would never happen, but even the prospect would make me re-enlist to do all I could to prevent it) would result in anything less than a second holocaust? Damn Node, you have been an ally, but you are beginning to get very irrational on this.
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Jun 03, 2008 10:50:59 AM CDT
jarv - it was because his halfblind, totally stupid self
by toadkillerdog
Kept mixing Nodes post's with mine. Such as when he accused me of marching on DC, or turning his name into an insult. Both of which Node said or did, not I.It was alsothe basis or his argument, stupid as it was, that a Marine would not march on Washington. And even though I have not, I pointed out that many do, and also that they Ride in the motorcyle vets advocacy group called Rolling Thunder. Did glovedone even acknowledge how thouroughly wrong he had been? That would be a no. So, not only do I have no respect for him, I also think he is a coward.
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Clock me in Toadster.
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What. A. Load. Of. Shit.
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt even after you defended the odious street crusties, but I was apparently wrong in doing so.
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is that I didn't want to muddy the waters and point out how massively wrong you were about the elected official thing. Just admit you fucked up rather than this frantic backpeddaling,
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The sentence does not imply history. The key word in it: "is". PRESENT TENSE. Give it up, you have no wriggle room on this one, you fucked up.
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are fucking great. You should really keep going with those, I can practically smell the cologne.
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Jun 03, 2008 11:27:02 AM CDT
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by samsquanch
I just watched an episode of the Office (American version, I know, I know, sacrilege) the one with the bat on the loose, and it suddenly occurred to me... Brane is like a real-live Dwight Shrute. Watching that show, Dwight's character is so unbelievable, but after this talkback, his stylized insanity seems more than plausible....
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Your notion that the banning of kahanists is some sort of evil plot by the government is ludicrous and I merely called it shit because you have nothing to back up that claim. Your circular logic is worthy of the Branester himself. No, seriously, if Kahanists had NOT been banned you would have said that their existence is proof of how racist Israeli society is.
There is literally nothing good about Israel that you can't twist into some sort of Orwellian fake-out on the part of the government to dupe the world.
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...wrong with Israel without having to resort to conspiratard rhetoric.
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isn't kosher!
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You have made almost the exact statement Brane made with his regards to Islam. He contends that the world would be better off without Islam, but that he harbors no ill will for the billion or so Muslims who follow Islam. Right. You are saying that the Jewish state should be dismantled but that the survival of the Jewish people does not rely on it. There are 5.4 Million Jews who live in Israel, just what do you think would happen to them?You are using Branes 'logic' to argue an indefensible point. A hideous point. There is no difference between you and Brane on this. None. Think about that.
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Toad and Node are fighting. Guess the honeymoon's over!
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Let the hair-pulling begin!
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As head of BringingSexyBackistan, I will act as mediator between the Israelis and Palestinians in the region. Xiphos and ToadKiller will be my royal guard. We will have casinos and many thousands of beautiful naked women roaming my land. Truly this is the only solution.
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Bring it people!!!
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It's startin' out ugly! Let's rock!!!!
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I think we should look at the situation practically. Enough blood has been shed for generations now, and I think reasonable people on both sides are ready for an accord. Even Jimmy Carter has gotten Hamas to recently recognize Israel. That's huge. A two-state solution is the only one to maintain peace, and stop bloodshed. Obama is the only leader capable of making that happen - he's not beholden to the Israeli lobby like the Republicans are - they'll do as he says, and not the other way around. Mark my words - that peace accord will take place during an Obama Administration. But frankly, there are more pressing world concerns we need to address anyway. Those two sides need to stop acting like children and make peace on their own instead of dragging the world into their tribal turmoil.
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Who goes on a date on a Tuesday afternoon? Except Morbid, with himself?
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There is no difference between you and Node on this. Neither you or he has the power to implement your hideous suggestions, and there is no way either will ever happen. So both of you are just wishing and philophisizing. But it is still disgusting. And contrary to what you think/hope, invoking your name is not the biggest insult around here. That is reserved for Michael Bay.
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I say the Marines. They got better commercials.
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Do MPs eat donuts like regular po po?
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The Army is much larger than the Corps. But everyone knows that it takes ten Army dudes to equal one drunk Marine with one hand on a bottle and another hand on a babe.
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We'll have extravagent parties, endless liquor and women, and thousands of computers to talkback on! So let be written!
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All they eat are donuts and chicken parm heros.
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Keep it real!
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Oh really? Name one other case where you would have supported the actual dismantling of a state in order to right societal wrongs in the form of second class citizens. Zimbabwe? South Africa? The United States?
What's truly frightening and preposterous is that you actually seem to believe that the more viable of the two scenarios is not the creation of two states, but the dismantling of a state with millions of citizens who would then be stateless, much like the Palestinians are today. Why is it you have no problem trading the statelessness of one people for the other rather than try to find a solution that helps both? And why would your solution be more realistic?
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Could I apply for citizenship in BringingsexyBackistan? I have some marketable skills, and can prove my heritage with many timestamped URLs from this very site. Sounds like you guys are going to have some fun.
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No, fuckhead, I do not support the banning of political parties. Whatever gave you that idea? I support the rights of cretins like you to spout your filth because your rights make America stronger, even if your views are as un-American as they come.
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...with one hand on a bottle and another hand on a babe.
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Are you going to see Kung Fu Panda?
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We just trade out all the Chavs from Britain with the Jewish settlers? Make Council Housing projects the new holy land? The Chavs will be happy, since the climate is to their liking and there's an ethnic group already there that will hate them as much as they themselves are despised, the Chavs can prove their manliness by withstanding the occasional suicide bomber (unfortunately, the Chavs will not have the benefit of the equivalent- the air strike- since they won't be able to figure out the technology required to carry one out) but since the Palestinians have had the shit kicked out of them for thousands of years, the Chavs won't seem so bad.
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...that his talk of getting rid of Islam is "philosphical" and that he supports the killing of Muslim terrorists. He also calls Srebrenica "breaking a few eggs" and that Milosevic had "his heart in the right place". In other words, Brany's definition of "Muslim terrorists" is not only those who have actually taken up arms against American civilians, but people like the 8000 civilian men and boys of Srebrenica who were slaughtered, SS-style, by Bosnian Serb forces in 1995.
When it comes to Brane it's all in the delivery. Sure, killing terrorists -- most people can get behind that, including me, but it's how he DEFINES terrorists which sets him apart from decent human beings.
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Hell no!
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I am guessing you will be relying on the mass-transporter technology that will be coming on line any millenium now in order to provide the means of rapidly moving millions of people from one locale to another. Sweet.
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The few. The proud. The high-school drop outs.
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You got me... I was thinking WTF?
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ROTFLMAO.
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The Palestinian/Israeli conflict is not going to ever be figured out. You have two ancient cultures based on opposing religions trying to co-exist in the same hot, dusty, fucked up part of the world, that have equal claim to the place, which is even more fucked up since God in his infinite wisdom decided to put all of America's Oil under the ground there.... You have three of the world's most insane monotheistic religions with violent histories spanning thousands of years, and with a combined constituency of over half the human population competing for an area roughly equivalent to the Lower East Side, add to that the fact that for FIVE THOUSAND FUCKING YEARS the Jews had no place to call home, and it took the first industrialized, bureaucratic wannabe empire trying to literally expunge them from the Earth for anyone to take a break from spitting on them long enough to consider they might have a plight worth listening to... shit. You think you're going to figure it out? Do you think that since you can point to this piss-ant conspiracy, or that awful but all-too-common atrocity it's going to matter one iota to them? Listen. The only way that part of the world is ever going to have peace is one of two ways: Either every single asshole willing to kill or die for their cause actually gets their wish, and they're all just fucking dead, or the human race spontaneously evolves and we all shake our heads and decide to play with our newfound telepathic powers instead of shooting eachother. Which do you think will happen first?
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Jews have a place to call home. It's called Hollywood!
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Do you know why there are Jews in Hollywood? Because the first wave of European Jewish refugees were given a small, insignificant backwater corner of the American economy to keep them busy and out of the way. No one knew that in a few short generations it would become one of the most lucrative industries in the country.
People wonder why Jews are so persecuted. The simpleminded among us assume it must be deserved somehow, and invent rationalizations to serve that narrow opinion. If you're part of a small, ethnic minority, let's say anywhere in the world, in any culture, and at any time in the last 5000 years, and you don't have a homeland, no back-up, essentially, and then something goes wrong- let's say the crops fail, or the King dies, or a war is lost and your parent culture is conquered, who do you think is going to get the blame? No one understands this better than the Jews. "Scape Goat" is actually a Jewish term.
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They are fighting over Olive groves and desert. But it is their olive groves and their desert. Just do not ask me to define who the 'their' refers to.I am unshakeable in my support of Israel, but I do acknowledge that change and compromise must take place. It is a conflict that may never fully end though, because it is passed down from generation to generation. It has become ingrained. But that does not mean it can not get better. The tensions can be lessened, so that future generations - while not necessarily peaceful, at least have some hope. There is a pervasive hopelessness now, that can only be ameliorated by men and women with enough desire and vision and guts to see beyond their own self interest and their own generation.
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I agree.
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thanks for that enlighting update, numbnuts!
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That same pervasive, hopeless feeling can be found in some American inner cities. It takes a very strong will to overcome such an environment. But there are those whose desire to overcome their environment requires aid -not a handout, but a ladder.
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That's one of those areas that is so divisive though, when is it a hand-out, and when is it a necessity? When are we our brother's keeper, and when are we our brother's nursemaid? The Liberal attitude to just soak everything in money and hope for the best never really works out, especially because it has more to do with assuaging liberal guilt than actually helping those who need it, but the conservative attitude that the poor deserve their poverty completely ignores larger-scope realities that make such judgments ignorant and cruel.
I believe that fixing poverty in America is a much more realistic and reachable goal than the Mid-East conflict though, honestly. The poor are fucked in America because no one gives a fuck about the poor, including the poor themselves. The problems in the Mid East is because people care too much, about too many things, too much of the time. -
but it won't happen. Communism sounds pretty good on paper too, until you give it a moment's thought.
Secular democracies seem really wonderful from our perspective, but this isn't the way most of the world wants to live. Dismantling the Jewish state and reforming it to fit a secular model can't really work, since the state only exists because of the religion. What you're talking about isn't reform, it's destruction, which is exactly what the Jews are so terrified of, with good reason.
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I'm on a working vacation for the next two weeks, I'll check in to see if this TB will ever fucking die.
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My post regarding Brane's odious beliefs wasn't aimed at you. I do think you have some heinous opinions but that's another matter altogether. My post regarding Brane was just another reminder for the TB about what kind of maggot they're dealing with.
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American security comes first and always. But we do not live in a vacuum, nor a perfect world. Conflicts arise that demand not only a diplomatic solution but a military one as well. Conflicts arise that push and test our moral judgements and we do not always make the right choices. That is human nature though. What makes us all better is when we strive to overcome the predjudices and societal limitations that have hamstrung us in the past. And by 'us' I mean all of humanity. Arabs are no less or more deserving of respect and fair treatment than any ethnic group or race. And I will stipulate that past and some present policies have created a great deal of ill will in the regions towards us. Not all of it is warranted, and no doubt some of it is inflamed for political gain within the region. But in dealing with that or any region, reality must be faced. We are not the worlds policeman though, and we have to pick and choose when we become involved. Doing so will guarantee that we alienate one side or another. Your 'solution' to what you consider a problem, is wholly untenable, and unrealistic. While there is little doubt that a compromise needs to occur, your 'solution' invloves the destruction of the Jewish state. You can couch it in any rhetoric you wish about creating a democracy - show me one Arab dominated democracy outside of Turkey. But in the end, it would mean the destruction of the Jewish state. European Jews were almost completely wiped out during WWII, and immigration policies worldwide - including the United States prevented them from immigrating in numbers. They have a country now, and yes it is far from a perfect country and far from a perfect solution, but there is no way on Gods Earth -and yes I am a practicing Christian, that they will give that up, nor should they ever.
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That humans are not robots. Neither are we so self-sacrificing that others needs or the needs of the group trump personal accomplishment. When you try and impose that, it results in atrophy and stagnation. What is the personal incentive to strive for greatness? There is also the fundamental hypocrisy that creates a privileged leadership that is exempt from the proletariat. In order for anything to get done, you would have to impose draconian rules that punished the majority, or implement a rewardds program for the select few, that destroys the whole purpose of working for all. Utopianism, is for TV like Star Trek. It is not for the real world.
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You and everyone in this Talkback are welcome in my kingdom. Even Brane, as my court will also need a jester. The only exclusion will be Morbid, for all the obvious reasons.
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The only worship you need is of yourselves, and your family. So let it be written, so let it be done.
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Like, duh!
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Have you polled the Palestinians about living in a "secular" state? Maybe they would like a religious one? And I find it *very* disingenous when anti-Zionists like yourself envision their new one-state as some kind of place where Jews and Palestinians will live in peace and harmony. We are talking about a rather small piece of land that will not be able to sustain the current Israeli population along with the 3 million or so Palestinian refugees that demand return. Therefore, I assume that you have some plan in mind for the Jewish ex-Israeli refugees that will have to find someplace to live -- will it be North America, Europe, Australia?
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Communism simply isn't compatible with liberal democracy. The period during which those values are to be "instilled" in people is during the so-called dictatorship of the proletariat, which lasts for how long? Until the ruling elite has decided that "Communist Man" has been born and the perfect society can be unleashed upon the world.
In other words, never, since there is no mechanism built into Marxist doctrine whereby the controlling elite is subject to any system of checks and balances or oversight.
Wherever hard-line Marxist regimes have ruled, oppression has been a rule rather than an exception. Communism, in several of its forms, has been responsible for the deaths of roughly a hundred million people during the last century. Mao alone killed more of his own people than Hitler and Stalin combined.
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Jun 03, 2008 6:37:59 PM CDT
NO JEWS OR MUSLIMS ARE ALLOWED IN BRINGINGSEXYBACKISTAN
by bringingsexyback
Only sexy people need apply!!!!!
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Jun 03, 2008 6:40:12 PM CDT
THAT EXPLAINS WHY BRANE DOESN'T GO OUT FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT
by bringingsexyback
You're one of them observant Jews aintcha?
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Correct me if I'm wrong (that's rare), but I don't think China or Russia have ever been Communist or Marxist at all. Both systems, IMO, are purely totalitarian and use the label Communism to mask itself. As I understand it, Communism only has a temporary centralized government, but the goal is for every person to have an equal say as to the distribution of resources. China, the Soviet Union, Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea - none of these even resemble Communism, only Totalitarianism. Dictatorships, one and all.
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Not every Muslim wants to cut your head off, you nut. That's real slander against Muslims, the vast majority of whom are not only opposed to the extremists, but are victims of them themselves. Your bunker mentality is really driving you to extreme paranoia. Why don't you go out and befriend some Muslim people - not just Arabs, but Eastern Europeans and Persians, too, and give yourself a wider view of humanity and the world.
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Jun 03, 2008 6:50:58 PM CDT
I REALLY CAN'T SEE HOW YOU CAN LIVE IN NYC AND THINK THAT WAY?
by bringingsexyback
Do you live in Brooklyn by any chance?
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...are not when you help your neighbor. They are when you're neighbor puts a gun to your head, steals your hard-earned money and gives it to somebody else. It's not exactly the kum-bay-yah moment that liberals envision (unless they're the ones getting the money). It's using force against someone who never initiated force against you. That is the precise definition of evil in my book. And it's an epidemic in the world today.
But as far as Israel goes, Node is a bit closer to the truth. I equate Zionism with bigotry in the same way that I equate Nazism with bigotry. I know, I know, that makes me an anti-semite to call a spade a spade. But I couldn't care less anymore. The anti-semite card is just as played as the boy who cries wolf. The Nazis were evil because they stole land and denied people their rights as individuals. International law was set up to outlaw wartime annexation, in response to Hitler's evil deeds. And although the creation of Israel was backed by the UN and other major powers, everything taken after '67 was clearly illegal and there are more resolutions against Israel on this, then there ever were against Iraq (even with the US in Israel's corner). You can't have it both ways. The hypocrisy is too blatant.
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All you are pointing out is that true Communist-style Marxism isn't possible in the real world. People aren't going to give up their land and money, unless there is a government there to take it. The notion that the state would simply disappear and we would all just agree to share is too naive for even a child to believe. It can only exist on paper. It's a scam. The only way to even begin to enforce it is through totalitarianism. And that crowd will never give up their power once they have it.
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You wrote: "The Nazis were evil because they stole land and denied people their rights as individuals". No mention of starting a second world war. No mention of the tens of millions of lives they were directly or indirectly repsonsbible for ending. No mention human rights abuses, the racism, the countries torn apart, generations lost. And no mention of the Holocaust. Any nationalistic movement whether it be based on race, religion, ethnicity or all of those combined, is susceptible to extremes. But in the history of man on this planet the list of attrocities commited in the name of nationalism, is topped by one and only one group. Nazis.
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Precisely. I remember Marx's formula for Communism calling for a temporary centralized government, but that it should be dissolved once the equal distribution was completed and a system of equal representation set up. But you are right - it's some ideal (not one I believe in BTW) that is unachievable in the real world.
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He's sneaking in before Hillary to try get some much needed P.R. under the Hillary concede/proclaim Barack winner speech and McCain is now hilariously speaking of the changing changeness of changeity change.
He's dropping in words like "research and developent" and "new technology" just so we know he's down with the internets and all this new fangled stuff.
And BOY is he hammering the GOVERNMENT !! Those no good sons of bitches who are to blame for all these problems he will cure. (The Government TM is in no way affiliated with the Republican Party, Bush or McCain).
Now he's getting very snippy about people pointing out he's a supporter of Bush's main policies and making a funny, funny joke about how he is such a very old man.
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I do not think you are in any way evil, but I do think you are very naive with regards to Israel and communism. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be fair and equitable to the Arabs living in Israel or in the immediate surrounding areas. But you can not go about it by destroying the Jewish state in hopes that an 'enlightened' form of secularism will suddenly spring forth. As for Communism, it has been tried and it has failed because it could not overcome several basic human traits. I and others pointed those out in earlier posts, but if you or anyone truly hold on to the notion that communism is the answer, well like I said, that is very naive and just denies history.
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Will do a reveal pretty soon. I know y'all are nervous with anticipation, but be patient.
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He just wants our country to do right by itself and others. And after 8 years of the NeoCons running us into the ground, who can blame him?
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Is it on CNN? Gotta check it out ..
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Yeah she's gonna milk this for just a bit longer and try bartering those delegates for the Veep slot I think.
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Totally! She's definitely angling for the VP slot. Although I think Obama should see who McCain chooses, and match up accordingly. But after tonight's speech I have no doubt she'll throw her full weight behind Obama no matter what, because even if she doesn't get VP, she'll definitely get a high-ranking Cabinet spot. As King of BringingSexyBackistan, I look forward to working with your new Democratic Administration.
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Mr. Obama Goes To Washington!
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You know it makes sense.
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Jun 03, 2008 9:41:28 PM CDT
LEAVE IT TO A DARK MAN TO LEAD US OUT OF THE DARK AGE
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Gimme an O!
Gimme a B!
Gimme an A!
Gimme an M!
Gimme an A!
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Jun 03, 2008 9:49:10 PM CDT
BRANE, I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE YOURSELF NOW
by bringingsexyback
but you are the essense of the NeoCon Zionist lapdog. You have been brainwashed into the perpetual victimhood that they teach. What they WANT, and what they want all Jews to believe, is that all Jews worldwide are being persecuted when that is not the case at all. Jews are not under seige by rabid Muslims, but that is what the NeoCon Zionists preach. Why? To get numbnuts like you so riled up in hatred, to live in fear, and of course to support their Washington lapdogs, the Republican Party.
Try stepping back and viewing Muslims worldwide as human beings. None of this "I don't mean American Muslims" bullshit. They're not all out to get you, get me, or get all Jews. Okay? I can't even believe that has to be explained but that's part of the deprogramming.
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because there surely are some vile, hateful, violent and generally evil extremists out there who twist the Muslim belief for their purpose. Just like such people exist under the Jewish belief. What you need to worry about are extremists of all stripes. That's at the heart of our problems.
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Jun 03, 2008 9:56:30 PM CDT
AND MAYBE IF YOU EMBRACED YOUR RELIGIOUS TENETS A LITTLE MORE
by bringingsexyback
than your political NeoCon Zionist tenets, you would see how faulty your thinking is. Because your implied support of the Kahanists just hours ago betray a bent towards the fanatical too.
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"A Leader We Can Believe In" ... now he's plagiarizing Obama. Give it up, man.
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You infidel! How dare you talk to your King in such a manner? Off with his head!!!!
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But otherwise, off with your head!!!
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They supported the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, for Christ's sake!! What is there to agree with? Say goodnight to your head!!!!
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Jun 03, 2008 10:46:29 PM CDT
UM, ANCHORITE JUST PROCLAIMED HIS JUDAISM IN THE TERMINATOR TB
by bringingsexyback
Is this coming out night or something? WTF
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Jun 03, 2008 10:48:09 PM CDT
HE ALSO JUST SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A CHOIR SINGING JEFFERSONS THE
by bringingsexyback
at Obama's inauguration. I think AICN is about to slip into political chaos once again.
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Paging Chrism! Chrism please report for court jester duty!
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Jun 03, 2008 10:54:28 PM CDT
I THINK THE BANNING OF A GROUP THAT SUPPORTS POLITICAL ASSASSINA
by bringingsexyback
is, what's the word ... sensible?
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Any recommendations? Maybe I can live amongst your tribe? We can hang out on weeknights!
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Is that even a question?
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I know I've mentioned this before, but think through what you want to say, before you say it; for example, in order to avoid the multiple postings directly above this. AND THE ALL CAPS TITLES ARE VERY, VERY, VERY TIRED.
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...Fuck you.
You actually posted something in which you:
1) Implied that the Soviet Union "slipped into totalitarianism" only after Stalin was in power.
2) Implied that Stalin's atrocities, number two on the mass murder hit list of the 20th Century, are -- at least to a certain degree -- the result of outside "Capitalist pressure".
You do know that the camps in the Gulag were envisioned way back under Lenin's heyday, right?
I'm sure you buy that horseshit Mugabe is shoveling when he blames all of Zimbabwe's ills on Britain, the U.S. and just about everyone except himself and his party.
With all due respect to TDK, I can't get behind his description of you as being naïve anymore. You're simply an apologist for Communist atrocities, even with the benefit of hindsight.
You sicken me as much as Brane does.
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...they are bigoted scumbags -- the Israeli equivalent of Britain's National Front or Le Pen's party in France.
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1) Brane: Go fuck yourself. You fucked up. I picked you up on it. Now grow some fucking balls and admit it. I like the way you ignore your fuck up over the tense to throw out some spurious red herring in an utterly transparent attempt to shift culpability. Either admit you fucked up, which is patently obvious, or admit you are a cretin that posts without thinking and frequently finds himself backed into a corner and forced to attempt to defend indefensible positions. Although this would explain a lot about some of your more reprehensible postings.
2)Node- your interpretation of Communism and Russian history is so far wrong that it is actually painful. Lenin established all the apparatus of the regime that Stalin eventually exploited- the roots of the evils of Stalinist USSR actually date back to the split in the communist party when the Bolshevik's subverted Marx's ideals by insisting on a ruling Politburo. Don’t forget that Stalin was never “president” of the USSR- rather he was head of the Secretariat. Interestingly, although called Bolshevik, Lenin's faction was actually in the minority for much of the genesis of the USSR- Bolshevik is a complete misnomer. The very fact that a minority wing of a political party can usurp the ideals of Marxism shows that communism is completely undone by Human nature. It just can’t work.
3)Re: “Outside Capitalist forces”. Utterly untrue. The state slipped into totalitarianism because that was always Lenin’s goal. For much of the 20’s and 30’s there were active communist parties across Europe and there was widespread sympathy for them. There weren’t sanctions imposed per se, and although despised by the Right Wing governments in the 30’s in places such as Germany, Italy and Spain there was no outright pressure exerted. After the 1917 revolution, pretty much the first thing that they had to do was fight a civil war. This was not an “outside economic force” but an attempt to restore the pre-revolution political status. Arguably, all of Russia’s socio-economic ills can be traced back to Marshall Kutuzov’s “Scorched Earth” plan to defeat Napoleon. I had a professor that argues strenuously that Russia never recovered in the 19th Century, and was frankly backward when the First World War happened.
4)Re: Muslims. I will bet that I know more Muslims than you lot because I live in Londonistan. Where I live in London is pretty typical and I happen to know lots of Muslims, Sikhs, Jews, Hindus, Christians. I don’t know any Buddhists though, which is a shame. The majority of Muslims that I know are also for all intents and purposes just modern Brits. They drink, watch movies, work hard in their jobs, support a football team, or England in whatever international is on, and, although may worship at a mosque rather than go to a church, chapel, synagogue or whatever, do not want to press their way of life on us- rather they have assimilated to our way of life. There is a despicable minority of fundamentalists that we just can’t fucking deport because of the stupid European Union (either to their home countries or America- the Death Penalty is an absolute evil that should be abolished), and every Muslim I know fucking loathes them more than we do. They despise the violence of the fundamentalists, they loathe the hard line towards women, and they are perplexed by suicide bombers. Do not forget that in the 7/7 bombs Muslims were blown up along with everyone else. Interestingly, my old boss was telling me that the fundamentalism preached by the likes of Osama Bin Laden is not representative of Islam, rather it is a subversion of the teachings of one particular cleric (who’s name eludes me as I haven’t had my coffee yet). One of the central tenets of Islam is tolerance, and it actually openly acknowledges other religions. I’m not fooled that fundamentalist Imams are fucking despicable and I would deport the likes of Captain Hook back to Egypt in a fucking heartbeat, but don’t forget that fundamentalist Christians are equally vile, as are any that turn the teachings of any religion to political and dictatorial ends. Do not tar over 1 billion people with the same brush. It is thinking like that that leads to genocide.
Sorry about the length of this
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as a good changian I will be forced to declare Pencil Jihad and call in the flying possums on you all. Pah.
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and is from California. I am a very, very lucky boy. This does explain why I am never likely to win the lottery though,
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unless we're talking about incarcerating Brane for the good of society.
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Filthy fucking temper. Seriously. They get in fucking moods that last for days.
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Excellent post. It manages to flatten both Brane and Node with a frightening efficiency and effectively make any further posts on the matter extraneous.
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Cheers Doc, I do my best. BTW, that is the guy, and I meant "scholar" rather than Cleric. Xi, hoo-yeah- Latinas, although moody and tempermental make up for it in so many other ways. Communism: It started with a throwaway comment by Sam that was picked up on by Node (who I'm unsurprised to learn is a trotskyite- just like I'd be unsurprised if Brane ever came out of the closet as a fascist), His argument was that communism can work. It can't. On paper it is a perfectly utopian ideal, but it wholly fails to take into account either human nature or history. Marx was a big fucking hypocrite anyway. The various points that he has made are either totally misninformed, blissfully optimistic, or wilfully pigheaded. A few other things: 1)Brane, you are quite right. It isn't racist to be prejudiced against Islam. It's bigoted. Wow, so much better. 2)Chavs. I don't think it is fair to inflict them on Israel. As much as I'd be ecstatic to see the back of them. They're a sort of biological weapon of mass vandalism. And in honour of that I give you: MICKEY CARROLL- KING OF CHAVS http://tinyurl.com/53obcd or http://tinyurl.com/5la8k4 The cunt has $20m in the bank and is currently in prison for various scumbag offences. Not even "proper" crimes, stupid shit like affray.
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Isn't it interesting that if you did a straw poll among AICN I will take a bet that 3 of everyone's top 5 fuckable women are latina. Maybe Latinas appeal to geeks. Someone should do a study but they're too busy fucking around with finding that cure for cancer.
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They go from nice and friendly (!) to vicious evil hell cat in the time it takes me to finish the sentence "Hail to the King, Baby".
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that's the joy of TB's it can go from politcs to Latinas to politics in a heartbeat.
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And I shall take the issue of CAPSLOCK to Parliament. Let it not be said that I am not a kind and gracious ruler.
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I already knew you were a Chosen fella, but it was odd that last night both Brane and yourself 'chose' to proclaim it loud and proud at the same time, for different reasons of course. Made it look like coming out night.
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Agree about Indy - fraking terrible!
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No ethnic prefs, will go anywhere provided they're willing, able and decent to great-looking.
If I wasn't married, that is...
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Yes, I've generally been into whatever decent looking (when sober, damn you beer goggles), that was kind enough to sleep with me. However, I've no settled and married, so Latina seems to be a preference I never knew I had. It's a line from Porno- The depressing pursuit of quantity over quality.
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I needed that morning laugh.Jarv, rejoice my fellow warciple, I saw a good chunk of Tremors 4: The Beginning last night. It didn't start until 11pm last night, and as I was tired, I couldn't last through the whole thing. What I did see was enlightening, and gives hope to all current, and future, warciples that they too can grow from humble beginnings....Fuck, this is much more important than arguing over
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should read:Fuck, this is much more important than arguing over the monstrosity of communism.
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the glory of tremors must be witnessed.
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Oh yes! I banged, er I had an encounter with a MILF latina who had the finest Ass, er, who had the most prodigious rear-end it has ever been my pleasure to grasp. She was from the PR, and had that smokin MILF attitude, that just screamed she knew she was hot and had been so for over twenty years, and you damn sure better believe she could throw down! Xi, few things are worth going AWOL for, but if you feel you must, then my only advice is this, if you are going to be a bear, be a fackin grizzly!
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Nothing, and I mean nothing, compares to a beautiful woman, regardless of race or nationality.
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of Latinas is. But that means I'd have to own up to posting here (posting on AICN: the geekiness that dare not speak it's name), and she can also be pretty fucking unbearable when she gets overconfident. Which I've noticed is another Latin trait.
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All these people were being loud complaining about the price of gas. These coming from people who own gigantic SUV's. So I go "Welcome to how the rest of the world is regarding gas prices. Hopefully it'll go up to $10/gallon and you'll turn in your SUV's."I got a good many dirty looks thrown my way. Little do they know they signed their own death warrants with a #2 pencil....heh-heh-heh...
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Whatever it takes to motivate you to do some serious writing is a good thing, because you can bring it son. Doc,I am not yet willing to give up on Node. I can not quite gauge his age, or even background, though he leaves some tantaizing hints, but a geek, Zionist hating, Arab loving, Brane hating, Obama loving, Trotsykite is such an exotic blend that it demands a more indepth analysis before discarding to the unredeemable pile. Part of why I engage in these debates - is a a hope that an exchange of ideas can modify some of the more extreem views out there. Perhaps that is folly, but I am multitasking, so even if it does not work, I get to spew some BS while doing my real jon.
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Smiting shitheels with the trusty No. 2! True story, a colleague of mine asked me yesterday why I still carry around a sharpened pencil, don't I know, he asked, how dangerous that can be if I walked around the corner of a cube and someone was coming out? I just smiled and walked away!
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Not extreem, and doing my real job.
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The CoC is proud of your pencil gouging skills, as the workplace is a perfect location to "sharpen" one's pencil jihadism.
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I'm waiting for Brane to turn up and call me a moron now.
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Yes, tis a boring day.
Historically pencil makers also use combinations of letters -- a pencil marked "HB" is hard and black; a pencil marked "HH" is very hard, and a pencil marked "HHBBB" is very hard and really, really black! Although today most pencils using the HB system are designated by a number such as 2B, 4B or 2H to indicate the degree of hardness. For example a 4B would be softer than a 2B and a 3H harder than an H.
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I'll put your post up again and then I will properly dissect it for you. Really, I don't see why you are having such problems admitting you fucked up. Persistance in this case is not a virtue: "But in America, the power is in the people, not in the royals or in some elected official" Now, this states that in America the power IS (note present tense) vested in the people. The comparison that you then move on to is (obviously) Britain, and you say not in the Royals or some Elected official. Now, where in this sentence is there a tense change? I can't see one. Just admit you fucked up, and either posted ignorantly, posted without thinking about it, or put up a confusing and erroneous post. Any way you choose you fucked up, and are utterly nailed. This is an easy one to climb down from. Fool. FYI, an unelected ruling class of cocksuckers has the power here now, and we badly need a revolution to clean out our political class. Just not a communist one.
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I think a communist has been elected before- Allende in Chile. But it didn't work and he got booted by the Fascist military government under Pinochet.
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Once again, a democratically elected President was overthrown by so called Western Democracies because it was the "wrong" kind of political system. This is why the South American nations can be decidedly ambivalent towards the US, they've had a hand in overthrowing many of their governments. A similar thing happened to Iran thanks to the UK and some help from the US - leaving open the door for the current leadership to take over. If we'd not overthrown Iran's democratically elected govenment then, we'd be much better off now. As would the Iranians.
In Chile on September the 11th 1973, two US made jets bombed the Presidential Palace - stop me if you've heard anything like this before.
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I've discovered (through numerous pencil stabbings), that your run-of-the-mill pencils just don't do an adequate enough job of dispatching shitheels and infidels.I've started to manufacture my own with the following marking: 1FEHFucking Extreme Hard.Also, all my pencils have the Pillow signature.
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Clearly your sentence states that you think the Royals have power. Why continue to dispute what you yourself wrote down? It's rather a small thing to admit to that you're wrong in. I just don't understand why you are being so pigheaded over this specific thing? Is it because Jarv pointed it out, and you refuse to admit your wrongness to him?
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Re Brooklyn -- Weren't you going to move to Williamsburg? You ought to like it -- hipsters and Zionist-hating Satmar Hasidim.
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because my home-forged changian implement has "DFH" on it. Which stands for "Double Fucking Hard". I'm sure Burt would approve. And I don't know why he's been so pig-headed over that. Its bizarre. Cheers Shan, I thought he was an elected communist but will stand corrected on that.
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That would be much better. Provided we get the fuck out of the EU though.
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That is what I call my personal changian weapon of graphite detsruction. Shit Heel Smiter Toadkillerdog.
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Or would it require strict adherence to changian beliefs?
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Changian one person at a time....toad, does yours have the rubber grip? I find that much more conducive to having a quality follow-through....
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to Changian beliefs, and it isn't exactly difficult to live by. Plus watching Army of Darkness to fulfill your spiritual requirement is not exactly hard. We would, however, be frequently at war with places like Wales (country full of sheep molesting shitheels if ever there was one).
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to any random shitheel on the street. You must prove yourself worthy, and pledge your devotion to the Holy Trinity. Required viewings of their masterpieces, as well as mastering pencil jihad are all part of one's training.
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Just a suggestion:TKD:SHS
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That's how warciples roll toad...
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a sort of Borg hive mind type deal.
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come out, come out wherever you are. I think you're right Pillows. If it had been someone other than a "Vile Leftist" that had picked him up on it he'd probably have backed down.
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Since everyone is vile leftist scum (can't believe you forgot scum, very important point), I think it's a specific vile leftist scum (ie - you)to which he will never back down to.
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I want to pledge my soul to the CoC, but have been having doubts lately. I have come to realize that there may be one person who can resist both flaming leg kicks and Nr. 2 pencils -- even if they are dispensed from the back of a flying motorcycle. The person I am talking about can even resist the mighty Burt. And his moustache.
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No he wasn't. He was a consummate pragmatist that took advantage of a situation to install himself and his minority party as a dictatorship. If there was a hero among the Bolsheviks it was not Lenin. It was Trotsky.
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Jun 04, 2008 10:26:53 AM CDT
Doc! I say thee NAY! (Using my finest Lee/Kirby Thor voice)
by toadkillerdog
No shit heels are impervious, to the No. 2 of doom! It is simply a matter of their brain stems being so primitive that it takes longer than normal for it to register to themselves, that they are indeed dead! Pillow, yes it does indeed have a rubber tip for stability. And I will heed thy suggestion TKD:SHS
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One man's dictator scumbag is another man's hero.
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So, all it takes is to oppose an oppressive regime to be a hero? Thanks for exposing yourself for the myopic cretin you are. When you've grown up a bit, read a few books and come to realize that it actually is possible for one form of oppression to be replaced by another and that resistance to tyranny doesn't automatically mean you're a hero, come back and take part in an informed discussion.
Until then, you can fuck off.
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You can't absolve Lenin from Stalin's crimes. Don't forget Lenin called Stalin "That Wonderful Georgian" and wholeheartedly approved of Stalin's methods.
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No shitheel, and I mean none, are impervious to the might of pencil jihad and what the CoC represents. It may take them longer to be stuck down, but make no mistake, they will be struck down.
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...even pointed at the person I'm referring to will burst into flames, scorching its wielder's hand.
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I am not questioning that. What I'm saying is that arguably Trotsky attempted to implement a pure version of a socialist revolution, and also his military record is the only one of the Bolsheviks that stands up to scrutiny.
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was a long fucking time before the revolution. It took a disastrous war to instigate it.
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and smite down this....creature. The Holy Trinity commands it. While Kloipy is on "inactive duty", toad can take his place since he has fully embraced the CoC. Abom, time to ride!
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and take your cause to Washington. It's time to go national, fellas.
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We're already international.
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but I do know that the Secret Rulers of the World are behind it somehow.
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Stalin was a bad fucking guy.
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We are already everywhere. BTW, your fiancee is a member.
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I think my statement summed up everything you said. Starting the second world war, what did that entail? Invasion and the stealing of land. And if killing millions isn't denying people their rights as individuals, then I don't know what is. You just want to sensationalize it cause you've watched too many war movies as a kid and you're obviously emotional over the issue (despite it all happening before we were ever born -- I don't get worked up over Thermopylae either). If you distill it down to its core, then maybe you'd be able to open your eyes and see the parallels. And perhaps even see what's happening here, in our own country (and the UK as well).
We were all suppose to learn how not to behave from the Nazis, but so many people seem to think that as long as we're not precisely following the Nazi playbook, then we're all good. It doesn't work like that. History doesn't repeat itself, only the patterns do. Recognizing those patterns requires dispassionate analysis and personal honesty. -
I feel like Rosemary in Rosemary's Baby.
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Trotsky and I think it was Zhutosov (but I may well be both wrong and misspelled it) were in on the suppression as it criticised all the politburo in most unflattering terms, especially those that were in a position to follow Lenin. It was too little too late.
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Really- You know that thing she does that you like? Well she learnt that following the woman's teachings of the church. The blessed Reba taught her.
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Or am I wrong in this? Also, wasn't the Red Terror during Lenin's time, where they went after anyone whom they thought was against Lenin and the Boshevicks?
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Please stop it with the spurious and offensive Nazi Germany= Israel shit. It's an utterly repellent argument used by the left and does nobody any favours as it just devolves any debate into an argument. Not that I'm not up for an argument, but this one is unwinnable as it is asking you to change entrenched beliefs. Which is impossible
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Yes he did make the appointment, and he was also the designer of much of the Soviet Apparatus used with such relish by Stalin. This is why he is not a Hero.
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REBA!??!
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You will understand (and thank the CoC).Jarv - that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.
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But I'm talking about the true wife of Burt. If that helps.
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One can point to parallels between virtually every country and society in history if you're willing to dissect them into small enough pieces. However, this is in many cases a pointless endeavor as it blinds people to the things that are truly unique and different in those countries and which add up to a much more interesting and larger picture.
Anything else is engaging in moral relativism for the sake of either laziness and moral torpitude or, more ominously, to try to erase the things that make liberal democracies different from true tyrannies. -
The Neo-Cons are Trotskyites! Or at least their founders were. One of the main founders, Irving Kristol (father of commentator Bill Kristol), said flat out that he was a proud member of the fourth international. But they supposedly to just all decided to become Republicans one day (skipping right over Democrats apparently). Now, you can argue that they may have drifted from, or even truly renounced their Marxist roots, but why then did Bush hire former chiefs of the KGB and Stasi to work for "Homeland Security"? I believe it was Primiakov who's working on internal documentation (i.e. papers please). And whereas wars use to be brought to us by the Democrats, now they're brought to us by the Republicans. Hmmm. None of this is conspiracy theory, none of it is denied, it is all true and you can look it up yourself. The only point in dispute is to whether or not they truly renounced their roots or if the neo-cons behavior is simply reflective of those roots.
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...but I have yet to see a pencil jihadist who can overcome the sheer manly power of DCI Gene Hunt.
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If that is the case then it just goes to show that the exremes are closer than the middle.
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I avoided Ashes to Ashes, because it looked like poo. What you don't know is that Hunt is a true proto-changian, he drinks too much has massive chops and happily beats up shitheels. Although john Sims did deserve Pencilling for being such a wuss and getting in the way of Hunt. This is all behaviour that 2true would approve of.
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(Aussie Question Speak). That title should read "Have you just discovered life on mars"
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I'm not the one taking the position of a moral relativist. Quite the opposite, I define what is evil and stand my ground. I don't see much difference between "true tyranny" and the soft tyranny of so-called liberal democracies. The initiation of force is evil and it's that simple. There are no excuses. Lost Jar may think it's impossible to change people's entrenched beliefs, but I haven't found that to be true among my Jewish friends. Only the "true believers" are unconvertible, and they are always the problem in any society.
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This Talkback is like an unstoppable growing mass. God bless it.
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Maybe he's on a date. I'm sure he'll return after I go to proclaim himself the winner.
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I just think it is impossible to change someone's entrenched beliefs through the impersonal and curtailing medium of AICN Talkback. I also think that it would be very, very difficult to change either yours, Nodes or Branes beliefs even if I was face to face with you. Difficult but not impossible
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I like your style. Despite the pandering lip service to the AIPAC faithful, Obama's bold plans for Israel/Palestine given this morning is really the only solution to the endless conflict there. Finally, an American President will break the grip of the right-wingers in Israel whose belief that endless war and conflict is the only way to keep their country together has made them, the region, and us weaker. When Obama said Palestine needs to be one contiguous state, I could hear the hardliners' jaws drop. We could be seeing a resolution once and for all - and not one that is detrimental to the Palestinians.
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What you're talking about isn't relativism. It's absolutist. The world is not as black and white as that, and to take such a position is naively idealistic and flys in the face of history.
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I could convert you to the Church of Chang for the one true Absolute position. But I can't be arsed and suspect your more a candidate for a pencil jihad. Or at the very least a flying possum attack.
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have fun guys. The sun has finally come out and we have to take advantage of such a rare occurance.
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I have to disagree - my mind has been changed by interacting on the talkbacks. Others, I'm sure, too.
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Nah, long time Life on Mars fan (even though I hated the ending). Just recently started watching Ashes to Ashes and no, it is most definitely NOT poo.
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I can be convinced when I hear a good argument. Hell, I even use to be closer to Node on the political spectrum. Although even when I was a devout liberal, and loved the first few pages of the communist manifesto, I was able to see how absurd the second half was. Now I'm an extreme conservative, which is just another way of saying classical liberal.
As for the extremes being closer than the middle, I have always thought that so. You have the establishment liberals and establishment conservatives typically agreeing on big government solutions that often include big government wars and the loss of liberty, but then you also have the principled liberals and principled conservatives, who both just want to be left alone with their rights intact, but can't seem to find a home in the parties that should reflect their beliefs (i.e. Democrats and Republicans). I think the true break down is between authoritarians and sovereign individuals myself. -
So let me get this straight: Kristol and the other neo-cons who said that they used to be leftist but now conservative are secretly still Communists, yet you who profess to have been close to Node's views are now a real conservative?
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You're a fucking moron. Most Israelis ARE Zionists, even those on the far left in Israeli politics. Most Zionists are appalled by the treatment of the Palestinians and would like a two-state solution.
You're using the most extreme right-wing Israelis as an excuse to brand all Zionists Nazis. And why? As you yourself stated, so that Zionism, the desire to support and maintain a Jewish homeland in the Middle East, can be completely demolished and the state of Israel along with it.
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Where there are no women, no liquor, and partying is forbidden on Friday and Saturday nights? I think my homeland is much better.
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I'm not necessarily saying they're still secret communists as much as I'm saying that it's their political lineage and they do seem to use the same bag as tricks. Homeland, motherland, fatherland, whatever! I believe that communism is just a big scam to get people to accept totalitarianism. I don't think that most rulers are truly that ideological in the end, they merely crave power. True ideological conservatives see Bush for what he is. I have dozens of conservative friends who all view him as pure evil. The Bush wing of the Republican party had always been viewed with great suspicion before they managed to take over the GOP. Now the GOP looks on all old school conservatives with suspicion.
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Did y'all know Monaco is a purely socialist state?
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First let me repeat a word I used in my first response to you. Specious. Now let me give you a definition: Having deceptive attraction or allure
: Having a false look of truth or genuineness
Recognizing patterns based upon historical precedent is paramount to understanding and perhaps avoiding similar situations in the present and future. But it is also important to truthfully recognize and not exaggerate that equivalence, just to fit your ideological needs. You were exhorting me to see the parallels - that you were refering to in your first post, that equated Zionism with Nazism. I pointed out how the Nazis had committed enumerable attrocities and had launched WWII which was responsible for the deaths in Europe, of between 50 and 70 Million people. I also stipulated that Zionism, like any nationalistic movement, was susceptible to extremes. I will further stipulate that any nationlistic movement has a built in discrimination towards those that are not a part of the core group. There is no doubt that some Arabs have a legitimate grievance towards Zionism. But I defy you or anyone to prove that Zionism is in any way equivalent to Nazism. And by equivalent, I mean just that. That it holds the same weight, has caused the same destruction, unleashed the same tyranny, attempted the same genocide, and killed the same amount of people. Your second post stated that WWII was just "Starting the second world war, what did that entail? Invasion and the stealing of land." No. WWII, as launched by the Nazis, as being responsible for the deaths directly or indirectly of close to 70 million people, as for destroying much of the European continient, as for destroying a generation of people, and for being the launching point of the Holocaust, was far more than just invasion and stealing of land. Someone who plants crops on his neighbors land, 'invaded and stole'. That is not the equivalent of WWII. And That is what I mean by a specious argument. And it does not require that I lived through an horrendous experience in human history in order to understand the impact that it had. Prior to the Nazis, there existed evil, and subsequent to, evil exists. That is not debatable. But drawing equivalencies to suit an ideology - your own in this case as you are an admitted anti-semite, is not only disingenous, it is also shows an emotional connection to the cause you are supporting that trumps rational reason. -
Wow.
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Jun 04, 2008 12:38:50 PM CDT
IT WAS JOSEPH LIEBERMAN WHO COINED DEPT. OF HOMELAND SECURITY
by bringingsexyback
and he was the bastard NeoCon mole in the Democratic party at the time. Maltheus is right - there never was pure Communism, but the ideal and philosophy are useful to dictatorial regimes who seek power.
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Peanut choking motherfucker.
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I meant pretzel. I'm a little distracted!!!!!
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How many CoC places of worship have been erected in your homeland? Just FYI, if you are running short of funds, the CoC has an excellent mortgage lender that you can use. Just be aware that the 2for2true loan must be paid on time each month. It's backed by FLAMING LEG KICKS.
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Why is there a pyramid with an all-seeing eye on your dollar bill? Why is there an Egyptian obilisk in Washington, honoring our first President? Why do June and July, the center of our calendar, begin with Jew?
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I am now soliciting contracting bids from Halliburton and Donald Trump for erecting CoC temples. So far, I'm leaning towards Trump. For one thing, his numbers look good. For the other, he's not an evil war profiteer.
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This conversation could serve as the heathen ritual that summons the most unholy of AICN demon motherfuckers. I can feel it.Warciples - you best sharpen your pencils...just in case...
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If you want, we can put a picture of a pencil on the currency. Let me know by Friday.
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The CoC has no association with either Trump or Halliburton. As we have our very own pencil factory, we view Halliburton as a competitor, albeit a small one. And we don't use currency, unless you are referring to pencils as our currency. In which case a pic of a pencil on a pencil is just plain silly.
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"I could hear the hardliners' jaws drop. We could be seeing a resolution once and for all - and not one that is detrimental to the Palestinians"
Unless hardline Palestinians decide to start blowing themselves (and others) up the way they did in the early '90s when Rabin was Prime Minister. -
Well, good thing you're not running for President or have anything to do with making peace, because with that self-fulfilling defeatist attitude you would only perpetuate endless conflict. Which wouldn't surprise me to be your real agenda.
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The security of Israel is sacrosanct!
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The Israeli and Palestinian sides. I blame them on both sides. Don't you fucking read? And I said that I support a lasting peace with a two-state solution that is fair to both sides. Don't you fucking read? Off with your head!!!!
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Why are you so overjoyed at seeing Palestinians kidnapped and tortured, buried under the rubble of their bulldozed houses, and torn to shreds by missles and gunships? Hmmm? You are such a fucking zealot you don't even see the hypocrisy that lines every word you utter. And you have the nerve to project your own hate upon me.
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No SHIT you weren't talking about right-wing Israelis. That's the whole point, you imbecile. Kahanists and people of their ilk ARE bigoted nationalists, but most Zionists are NOT. You're trying to soil the very notion of Zionism by making a rabid few the examples by which to judge Zionist Israelis.
You posted earlier trying to make excuses for Stalin's practices by diffusing the blame, just like Strasserist National Socialists try to make excuse for Hitler's practices.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Jun 04, 2008 2:01:52 PM CDT
This will all seem moot when WALTER MONDALE owns your asses!
by rickey henderson
Leninists? Trotskyites? Rickey cares not for these things! Isreal? Palestine? Bah, Rickey is not concerned with these petty matters. This is because somewhere, as we speak, WALTER FUCKING MONDALE is lying in wait, buding his time until he emerges to steal the 2008 election. He's like the Methodist Cthulu!
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That was a good diss on Brane. High five!
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Pedro for Prez!
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Jun 04, 2008 2:07:20 PM CDT
IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUE NATURE OF ISRAEL/PALESTINE
by bringingsexyback
Watch Star Trek VI. That is the most accurate portrayal of the political machinations that ail those two tribes.
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Mondale's stalking horse, Gerraldine Ferraro, has already been making hay! Neigh!
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Excellent post vis-á-vis Maltheus. That guy just creeps me out. Honestly, where do all these nutters come from?
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Dude can hit too! Two hits last night from Petey! Things are looking a bit more rosey in Mets world at the moment, eh? Get Ollie Perez some psychotherapy and trade Heilman ASAP and you've got the makings of an October team...
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It will be a wild card team though...fucking Phils.
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As far as I'm concerned, Zionism and Nazism don't have to be equivalent to both be wrong. I accept that Nazism has resulted in the greater tragedy, in terms of lives lost, but it's not a pissing contest. Both ideologies have racial supremacy at their core (yes I know that Judaism is not a race, but it makes no difference for this argument). Both ideologies led to the imposition of collective punishment. Both ideologies resulted in the illegal acquisition of land. Both ideologies make the distinction between a first and second class (subhuman) citizen. Both ideologies claimed they just needed a little extra living space. Both ideologies are steeped in propaganda. And both are spawned out of hatred and resentment. Like abused children who go on to beat their kids, the buck always stops with the latest abuser. The excesses of Nazism does not set the bar, it's just an extreme example of how far evil can go.
Also, I am not an admitted anti-semite, I merely said that I knew the label would be applied to me and I don't care because it's thrown out against everyone, and therefore means nothing. The impact of the word has been completely trivialized through it's overuse and disrespects those who have suffered from true anti-semetism. And by definition, you can't be an anti-semite if you're arguing the Palestinian cause, since they're closer to being semites than most Jews. I have nothing against anyone for how they were born, only for what they do and advocate. My sister and I both believed that at least half this country was Jewish until we got to college because the majority of everyone we knew was Jewish (grew up right outside New City and Nyack). And my solution, following WW II, would have been to welcome all the Jews to come live in America. So no, I don't care if I'm called anti-semite because I know it's not true. It's just a cheap tactic that Zionists used to "win" arguments, but it doesn't work anymore.
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There's a difference between bigoted nationalists and ordinary nationalists. Love of one's country, or the desire for one's country to continue existing does not automatically make you a bigot.
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Doc said BIGOTED nationalists. Non-bigoted ones are OK (at least to non-Trotskyites).
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Jun 04, 2008 2:22:49 PM CDT
YOU KNOW WHAT WILL SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS ONCE AND FOR ALL?
by bringingsexyback
A big fucking asteroid. Christ, humanity is hopeless. Especially with Brane around.
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I'd be happy to end the "endless conflict" if all the other side were to as well. And I'm not sure that the tiny area of Israel/Palestine equals whatever the Federation and Klingon Empire mde peace over in STVI.
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...we can all agree that Geraldine Ferraro is a complete bigot, yes?
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Jun 04, 2008 2:27:40 PM CDT
I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ISRAEL BEING A JEWISH STATE THOUGH
by bringingsexyback
That could only mean that Arabs would be expelled, or officially deemed second-class citizens. If Israel is to exemplify a true democracy, then by definition it cannot be a Jewish state. No other democracy in existence has ever identified itself with one creed/color/religion etc.
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Why would I? I love America, and it is the greatest country ever.
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In Star Trek VI, there was a secret conspiracy between hardline Klingons, Romulans and Federationers to sabotage peace. At the expense of their respective peoples at large. They failed, thanks to our valiant crew.
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That's why I cannot stand illegal aliens inhabiting our soil by the tens of millions. That number just boggles my mind. Obama better build that wall that Bush conveniently never got started because he's beholden to the business interests who benefit from the labor. Not that I'm against immigration - just the illegal infiltration of our country. If you're here, this and only this land must be your homeland. If you have a deep affinity or loyalty to another country, feel free to get ta steppin!
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Yes, I knew what you were referring to re STVI - I was just commenting on one difference between that film (which was actually a late glastnost analogy) and real life.
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Imagine that a group of prominent Iranian-Americans created a political action committee designed to influence US foreign policy to help Iran and its foreign policy goals. Imagine that all current US leaders and US presidential candidates would go speak before this PAC and essentially pledge fealty to the goals of Iran. Can you imagine it? Rickey sure can't.
So why is it considered normal that we have current and future leaders speaking before a group (AIPAC) that is an agent of a foreign power (Israel), pledging to help said foreign power?
Any why do Americans not realize that this is the reason why many in the Muslim world hate us? It’s got nothing to do with freedom. It has everything to do with our current blind support for Israel.
Divorcing US foreign policy from Israel and treating all parties in the Middle East fairly as equals would do more to stop terrorism against the US than all of the bombs we could drop.
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Please don't let your disappointment with government policies cast a dark cloud over your love of country. We truly are the greatest nation. There's a reason why the world looks to us, still, after so many mistakes. I can't imagine living anywhere else. Except Monaco.
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If Israel is NOT going to be a Jewish state, than what is this two-state nonsense? Just have one state with ethnic Arabs in the majority like Node wants (and then watch the Jews flee).
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What part of Zionism do you disagree with? That Jews deserve a homeland? That Jews deserve a right to govern themselves? That Jews deserve to be able to defend that right and their homeland? Then there are the radical zionists. Those such as the aforementioned Kahanists, who want a theocratic Jewish state, with all non Jews either removed, or subservient. No where in mainline Zionism, will you find such despicable tenets. That group has been outlawed for good reason. Yes, I am aware that within Israel, the plight of the Arab-Israeli is not a good one. I am aware of the Racism and discrimination that they face. And it is indeed such a shame, that many Jews in and out of Israel are trying to change it. Discrimination, though is not limited to only Israel, however I do not see you equating discriminatory practices in this country or others, to Nazism. Because it is not, and neither is Zionism. As for what your solution in WWII would have been, well, when you acquire that 'way-back' machine, and put yourself in charge of American immigration policies, and allow mass Jewish immigration, then perhaps you can speak on such matters. But reality was and is, that no one wanted them.
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Even with 2 separate states, that doesn't preclude Jews and Palestinians living in either country, according to their preference. There is a lot of inter-marraige in Israel, and if a Jew chooses to live in Palestine, or vice versa, then that should be allowed (that should go without saying) without any repercussions or diminishing of said person's rights of citizenship.
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Who is talking about living separately? I never suggested that non-Jews be expelled from anywhere (although I'm sure that every Jewish settler will be kicked out of any post-1967 settlement forthwith with no possibilty of return). I am questioning your insistance that Israel no longer be a Jewish state. No one is asking the Palestinians to call their political national entity a "non-Palestinian state, thus we have two non-Jewish states. And while Iranian Jews theoretically have full rights there is still discrimination. Very few Jews are left in Lebanon, which is also a "supposed democracy" (no thanks to Syria).
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You forgot about IKEA.
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I don't want to sound like a sterotypical no-nothing American, but if Sweden is such a near-Utopia, have you (and others of your mind) tried to immigrate there?
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Now you're really entering dangerous territory. I happen to be living in Sweden for the time being, and the things you just listed are true only to a certain extent.
Some corrections:
DENMARK was the first country to recognize same sex partnerships.
Obesity is on the rise and viewed as an acute problem.
Literacy, as well as math skills, have been on a steady and dramatic decline since schools were decentralized and left to the counties in the early 1990s. Currently Sweden is slipping ever further down the list of the best educated in Europe.
Swedes are by and large binge drinkers. Once taxes for imported booze were dropped a few years ago, money started leaking out of the country at a rate of millions of kronor a WEEK to other EU countries by way of "alco-tourists".
Smoking is on the rise among women and young people.
Much of the aid provided to developing nations is without any strings attached. As a result, Swedish aid has financed child and woman slave labor in several developing nations with leftist regimes.
Sweden also has a HUGE problem with growing segregation between immigrants and native Swedes.
Sweden is also the home of Pirate Bay.
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Well that's a tough one because we're so far past 1917 and 1948 now and I consider today's Zionism different from yesterday's Zionism. America should have never gotten involved, but as you said, that's all in the past now. But I will say, that if the Jews actually deserve a homeland, then the only people they'd have any right to "deserve" it from would be the Germans. German atrocities, do not give Jews the right to take Palestinian land. Two wrongs, do not make a right. The only reason they went after that particular piece of land is because they got tired of waiting for God to return it to them and figured their brief, ancient claim on it was enough to justify moving in and driving the British out through terrorist activities, like blowing up the King David hotel. So I guess I basically have a problem with people saying, "well God told me I can do it." Because, that's what this all boils down to. It's not about having a homeland so much as it is about fulfilling prophecy.
Today, Zionism is less about having a homeland, than it is about the dream for a "Greater Israel." Regardless of what the Palestinians do, there will always be a highly influential sect of Israelis who believe that everything across to the Jordan and up to the Litani rivers are rightfully theirs, according to biblical tradition. But I don't believe in silly religious mumbo-jumbo and the Palestinians believe in different mumbo-jumbo, so where does that leave the rest of us? I'm fine letting people indulge in their delusions, so long as there is not a cost to me. In this case, there is a huge cost that the whole world has to endure. The cost is in terrorism, unease over oil supplies, being dragged into wars, foreign aide, etc. If my tax dollars weren't stolen from me at gunpoint to support all of this, I might not care so much. But we too, are paying the price for what the Nazis did to the Jews and we're the ones who stopped them. Talk about a thankless effort. I believe in avoiding foreign entaglements, like George Washington advised.
At this point, the only viable solution I can see would be for the Israeli's to pull back completely and unilaterally to the 1967 borders. Yeah, they may still have to endure the occasional rocket attack, but those will wear off after the Palestinians have a chance to pull themselves out of the muck. And it's no different than what they are dealing with now anyway. Israel doesn't need a buffer anymore because everyone else realizes that they'd get nuked if they try to invade again. What's more, if I were the Israelis, I would be genuinely be trying to help the Palestinians develop into a viable independent state, given the inevitable demographic drive. Or at least, not blocking international efforts. If they continue down the current path, eventually the tables will turn, and the Israelis will be fucked. Best to foster a codependent relationship, like the one we have with China, and ignore the fundamentalists on both sides. Easy? No. But it really is the only solution.
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U.S.A. is number one. I mean really who gives a shit. I just couldn;t care less. for one is completely pointless a claim to make...It just seems that we are the only country who really make a big deal about how much we believe we arte the best. I have never understood it at all. Bill Hicks said it best in his bit about people overseas asking him if he is proud to be american and his answer was he didn;t have much to do with it - his parents fucked there was about the extent of it. and that is spot on. seriously..who cares which country is the best?? what does it matter.
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You can live wherever you like, whether you love it or not. However, if you really wanted to learn Swedish and get a workers visa (what kind of work do you do?) I'm sure that both can be accomplished
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The extremists on the Palestinian side have Iran. What would you do about that? And who would get "nuked" if they crossed the border?
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I suppose I would just leave them alone. Iran doesn't have nukes. But quite frankly, I wouldn't care if they did. I know we're told over and over again just how mad-dog crazy those Muslims are, and yes, there are poor destitute, loser Muslims who will blow themselves up to make a point, but the leaders are not crazy. They aren't going to jeopardized their positions, not to mention their lives, by attacking Israel. That's pure paranoia. It would be the end to any government.
If the Iranians were so foaming at the mouth crazy, why haven't they eliminated the 20,000 or so Jews living in their own country? If Iran got the bomb, I suspect it would have a moderating influence like it did between India and Pakistan. At the very least, I wouldn't have to worry about my crazy leaders going to war with them anymore. Iran is just after the kisses and lollipops we gave to North Korea over the nukes they had. Through our actions, we've now encouraged all Mid-East nations to rightfully pursue nuclear weapons as fast as they can. We have no choice but to live with it now since we're too broke to do anything about it.
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I think you'll find that it's more convenient to speak Danish if you're going to live in Denmark rather than Swedish, even if the languages are very similar.
America is great for different reasons, not the least of which being that the Scandinavian countries can enjoy their higher standard of living thanks to existing in a Western sphere of liberal democracy, the existence of which is safeguarded to a huge extent by America's existence. Now you can twist that any way you want, but Danes, Swedes and Norwegians would be speaking German or Russian today if it weren't for America and Great Britain. -
"I've been to Denmark and it's awesome. Just one problem. I don't speak Swedish and I don't have a work visa."
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Bush said he'd fix it before his term ends. Easy. problem solved.
Everythings gonna be juuuuuust fine.
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That's rather amusing that Node picked the country that Doc is living in right now. And you should know Node that a #2 pencil is mightier than a measly hockey stick.The CoC approves of this message.
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I have many problems with the current administration, but I still love my country very much. Perhaps you can live on BSB's la-la land?
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I know you're well-meaning, and you'd have my ear as to how we can improve my nation. Unlike Lenin and Stalin, I am a benevolent ruler. Just don't forget to curtsy when you see me.
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Ditto to everything you said. This anti-Iranian paranoia, even as expressed by Obama today, is actually counter-productive to his own diplomacy strategy. Iran's economy has been in the doldrums for years now, the prime concern of the people is making a decent living. But ironically, the NeoCons' aggressive stances towards Iran has only served to unify the country under their own hardline leadership. Ridiculous.
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Why don't you move to Canada if you feel that way? We will not miss you. America has problems, but America ALWAYS has had problems. Name any point in the entire history of this magnificent country where we did not have problems! But none of that prevented the American spirit from overcoming the negativity and bigotry of the likes of you Brane. I would much prefer Node's ambivalence than your wishy-washy 'going down the tubes - but were still great' sentiment. At least I know where he stands, but you as always look for the worst, and would offer only jingoistic solutions. This country is far from 'going down the tubes' but if you truly feel that way...move.
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just want to wake up to a world that's no worse than the day before, and Liberals want to make the world better? How does that jive with his "can do spirit" statement? Does that make him a Lib now?
Node might not be a cheerleader for America, but he does embody the Liberal can-do spirit. At least he wants to make it a better country. But it helps to see the positives as well as the negatives.
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When blacks who don't own property got the right to vote.
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Especially ones that stay aloft.
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We need unity more than we need polemics!Strength through unity! Unity through faith!
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It's too freedom of speechy.
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I can't believe that. She's worse than Elan!
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It's gonna be tasty!
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Get the hell out. Did you sniff him like Brane does?
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So contrived. I'd rather watch his British shows.
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Why are you having such trouble admitting you fucked up. Your post was transparent, very clear and massively wrong. If I had made the mistake you had I'd have posted something like "shit, sloppy writing, not what I meant". I've done it before.
As for your response: I'll put your original post up *again*:
"But in America, the power is in the people, not in the royals or in some elected official"
And now your response:
” Maybe you misunderstood me, which is your deficit, not mine. The history of England is one where power was not in the people, but in a ruling class. Hence why America was founded. I was contrasting the difference between America and the United KINGDOM! Here, power is in the people, or it is supposed to be, in England, power has been in the royals and in the elected officials. You take guns away from the populace as a way of remaining in power and neutralizing any threats to your power. Early Americans recognized the need for the government to be IN FEAR of its people, as that is the only way for government to not become all powerful. They did not want career politicians, but people from regular life who would serve and then go back to their old jobs after their term. But what's the point? Some of you clearly lack any and all sophistication, and seem to forbid someone making a larger point. The only reason I am being challenged on this is because of Brane-rage. Any clear minded person could see what I was referring to when discussing the historical sources of power in America and England. I have the ability to think on the micro and macro view. Some of you seem stuck on micro. Again, your fuck up, not mine.”
This response does not serve to clarify your original post. All it represents is you trying to slither out of an untenable position, but I will go through it for you to correct some of the MASSIVE inaccuracies contained within. (I warn you against arguing British History, Law or Politics with me- you will be far, far too ill informed and prone to sweeping inaccuracy laced generalisations to hold up one end of an argument).
” was contrasting the difference between America and the United KINGDOM!”- Completely true. That is what you were doing. However, the point I am making that you are stubbornly refusing to acknowledge is that you made the comparison in the present. ” Here, power is in the people, or it is supposed to be, in England, power has been in the royals and in the elected officials” Complete crap, but at least you got your tense right. I don’t want to get into the history of Electoral Reform in the UK (although I can) with you, so I’m going to leave it, but I will point out one massive inaccuracy. In Britain we do not vote for individuals (“elected officials”),as a rule- there are exceptions like the London Mayor, we vote for the party we want to govern, Furthermore, we have national referendums where the people vote DIRECTLY on the issues (or we would have if the current group of corrupt cunts hadn’t reneged on a promise). Now, I’m not saying that this is a good thing, in fact I think it is deplorable and an absolute democratic deficit, but the power does NOT reside in elected officials. In theory, it resides with the population who can at every general election boot out the party in power. In practice, power actually resides with a loathsome political class and a group of unelected fucknuts in Brussels. But that’s another discussion. ”Early Americans recognized the need for the government to be IN FEAR of its people, as that is the only way for government to not become all powerful. They did not want career politicians, but people from regular life who would serve and then go back to their old jobs after their term” Relevance? A blatant red herring and one I can happily disregard. Oh, and congratulations on not getting career politicians. That worked out well. ” But what's the point? Some of you clearly lack any and all sophistication, and seem to forbid someone making a larger point” The point is, Brane, that you are not making a larger point. What you are doing is trying to spin a fuck up. ”The only reason I am being challenged on this is because of Brane-rage. Any clear minded person could see what I was referring to when discussing the historical sources of power in America and England. I have the ability to think on the micro and macro view. Some of you seem stuck on micro. Again, your fuck up, not mine”- No. The reason I am picking you up on it is that you fucked up and I see this as the thin end of the wedge. If I can get you to admit to a mistake here, on a very minor point, then possibly in future I can get you (through reasoned argument like I am doing with this one) to reconsider some of your more outrageous and reprehensible positions. Which I suspect you know, ergo the refusal to back down. I can, and frequently do look at the micro and macro position, but when I see something as erroneous, dogmatic and pig headed as your post I am damned if I will let it go.
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The good Doctor will correct me if I am wrong with this, but I'm going to put it up anyway. There are shit loads of problems with Scandanavia, one of the chief ones is..... It's FUCKING expensive. Like really, really expensive. I live in one of the most expensive places on the planet and I baulk at the cost of living there. Other than that, it has a shit load of problems that all of Europe has (especially since the EU has slithered it's tentacles into nearly every facet of life)- the doc did things like plummeting education, rising teenage pregnancy and obesity etc. Me, I'd live in the South of Spain. But I like the climate, food and people that aren't ex-pat Brits (who I find embarrasing). Just to make you chuckle- If you can guess- without research- where the lowest life expectancy in Europe is then I'll give you 1,000,000 internets and a "Get out of Pencil Jihad free" card. You have until 5PM UK time.
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Hmph. So it is good then? I'll have to catch it when it is repeated. Probably next week. It'll give me a way to avoid Big Peasant (sorry, Brother) for the next 18 WEEKS. 18 WEEKS! I can't get over this. It's all the Netherlands fault. They invented it.
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I see the London Mayor has gained some international fame. described by Jon Stewart as "comically unkempt" and showing footage of masses of people shouting "Boris is a wanker!".
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I've had bad luck in Portugal.
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I thought you were asking about where I'd emigrate too. And no, it isn't Portugal with the really low life expectancy.
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I voted for Boris. He's a bumbling fucknut of the highest order, but he's less of a cunt than "red" Ken. Comically Unkempt does describe him, either that or "hysterically inept".
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I can't think of one reason for going there. Go to Spain instead, it's much better. Just don't go to anwhere where there are loads of Brits. Because our tourists will ruin the experience. That Economist piece is bang on but Portugal hasn't fallen below the Eastern European countries. There is only one place in Europe that has
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Bizarre but true.
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can kiss my arse, that fucking Ad banner is knackering my Internet. I know it has JAck Black in it so Harry has to try to insert various parts of his anatomy into the film, but it looks awful on every level.
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Course from what I understand it is a tool of statecraft used by the Head of state the Prime Minister and his cabinet as it includes some hefty powers like declaring war and calling elections but it is never exercised by the Monarch in modern times and at most she is advised occasionally by Ministers and the Prime Minister of their use.
In fact I believe Tony Blair was fond of using the Royal Prerogative to increase his nominal power from leader of a consenting Cabinet to almost Presedential levels of Dictat.
Point is from what I know of it, Queenie has nothing whatsoever to do with formulation of Policy or Law though she does have a ceremonial role in the implementation of some of these Royal Prerogatives.
The British Queen strives to remain as apolitical as possible which may be why she retains popularity and why she is still there.
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...is also where Memories-Of-Murder lives -- definitely a reason for NOT going there.
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Calling Node's antics the embodiment of liberal can-do spirit is the kind of shit that keeps people like Brane going.
Node is a fan of Lenin and a Stalin apologist. STALIN! Also, I seem to recall you saying something about running a business of some sort. I guarantee you that if Node and his ilk had power, you'd have to say good-bye to said business.
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And London's Imperial War Museum would seem to be a good place to visit.
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...Sweden is expensive, but since the crown is much weaker than it used to be, Norway, Denmark and Finland are more expensive -- especially Norway, which is fucking insane.
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Depends when you're going. Football season is August-May. If you're going to watch a match I'd suggest Arsenal (spits on carpet)as they play the nicest football. Funnily enough, since moving to London all those years ago, I haven't been to one Museum/ Gallery/ whatever (Tate Modern doesn't count). The missus keeps trying to make me go on one of the open top bus things but I keep refusing. She thinks it's cute. I keep pointing out that she's lived here nigh on 10 years now and behaving like a tourist is not acceptable. Lots of my relatives etc loved the Imperial War museum, so I reckon it is good, and Portsmouth is indeed rife with Naval history. Other than those there is so much in the way of history/ culture in London I keep getting surprised. I hope Brane does try to bring up the Royal Prerogative because he is heading into the territory of Britain's unwritten constitution- the intricacies and subtleties of which will be totally beyond his black and white thinking. But in a nutshell you're sort of right and sort of wrong. Basically, a system of conventions has evolved that operate as a series of checks and balances on ministerial behaviour. Although absoutely legally unenforceable (and many of them do involve the Crown), they are followed (in a terribly English sort of way)and before the constitutional vandals of Nu-labour were elected in worked amazingly well. For an example of how they have been eroded by unscrupulous shitbags: ministerial responsibiity is pretty much gone. Thought so, Doc, I knew a lot of Swedes, Danes and Norwegians at university and they all said Britain was dirt cheap in comparison.
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Prime Minister is not Head of State. The Queen is. Blair just liked to think he was- as does that incompetent Scottish shitweasel that is currently ruining the country.
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Rome, Florence, Venice...the Riviera (never been there). Since I married an Italian, I've very partial to the women over there...
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Friendly people, great looking women, excellent food. Don't go to Germany. I've no real rational reason for this, just generations of ingrained prejudice. Oh, and I've got mates that reckon the baltic states rock. But that might just be to get smashed in.
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I've been to Munich and it wasn't bad. I prefer 'old' Munich, and I certainly love the beer gardens.I would like to get back to Austria since we only got to go to Salzburg.
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Now altogether to the tune of Campdown Races: "2 WORLD WARS AND ONE WORLD CUP" I don't know why our hooligans sing about the one world cup seeing as Germany has won about 4 and regularly dumps us out on penalties. Mind you, thinking has never been their strong point.
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Nothing of interest there. Or Amsterdam- overrated toilet of a city. France is nice, except they've got an attitude problem. I speak French (complete with crap accent) and even when talking to them in their own language they still treat me like shit. Or that may just be Paris. For something excellent go to Noramandy and the landing sites.
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But since I'm a beer whore...Oh, and they did have an excellent Riesling. And I finally caught I am Legend last night...it wasn't bad, but I still have no idea why they went with CGI infected beings instead of real actors. They were just too cartoony. But I thought Will Smith was fine in it, a bit over the top with the "hordes" of infected coming after him at the end.
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It's pointless to go to Switzerland in the summer, so don't go there either. Greece is fun- but the British chav is busy ruining it. I generally quite like visiting places in Europe.
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Normandy. Not Noramandy. I've no idea where Noramandy is.
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but alas, it does not seem to be. And when we went to Paris (ten years ago), we didn't have any problems. My wife can mumble some French words, so they seemed happy that the attempt was there on her part. Paris was absolutely beautiful though...
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Austria, on the other hand, sucks balls -- rude people, horrible toilet paper and creepy taverns with octagenarians in lederhosen who whisper among themselves while giving outsiders the evil eye.
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Would also like to go to Prague. My wife was there for business a number of years ago and really liked it.
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Because I had it in the "avoid like crack whore with herpes" pile. And bear in mind I actually BOUGHT Alone In The Dark. Which is not something I'm especially proud of.
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...is fantastic. You owe it to yourself to pay a visit, Jarv.
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I loved it. And I'm stealing that "octagenarians in lederhosen" line. Just so you know, Doc.
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Though they did make me wear lederhosen and dance all the time.
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House of Cards! One of the greatest mini-series i have ever seen. Just fackin blew me away. I bring this uo because you were talking about Ministerial powers. And it brought back fond memories of two shows. The otehr show was the comic Yes, Minister!
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Alone in the Dark...really? heh-heh...
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but putting it off. I've got very lazy about going to things in London if they aren't in NW1, NW3 or at a push NW8
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It's next up on my que.
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piece of Satire Britain has ever produced. And we're good at satire. For another excellent savaging of British politics dig up The New Statesman starring Rick Mayall- it's hysterical and Sir Alan B'stard is one of the most despicable people ever created.House of Cards and it's sequel (To Play The King)were spookily accurate but the final part of the Trilogy was dire. Ian Richardson is one of our greatest actors and needs more work
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or queue. Didn't mean to throw un pequeno espanol in there.
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And it's OK. I wouldn't recommend it unreservedly as I think it has serious problems (chief among them being balance- when you see it you'll know what I'm getting at).
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We've turned this into sort of a Rough Guide to Europe.
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...no love for The Thick Of It? That was fucking hilarious and excrutiating at the same time. Peter Capaldi's party hatchet man is a pure joy to watch.
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Ian Richardson died last year. NOomore work on this plane for him,. He was brilliant though. I agree that the final installment did not do the character justice. I guess he had to get his comeupance, but he was just magnificently self absorbed in the first two. Yes, Minister, just killed me every time I watched it. I had no clue about the British political system at the time, but it did not matter. I loved that show.
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It's a pity that Chris Langam is likely to be convicted of Paedophilia though. Nothing touches Rik Mayall cutting the head of a Paddington Bear charity box with an axe to get the coppers out.
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Ever been to Franenmuth, Michigan? They were lederhosen up there, and have all you can eat chicken dinners too!
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in that case, reanimate his corpse for the next Indy Film. Did you ever see Tinker Tailor? That was excellent and had some heavyweight actors in it. Why does the BBC generally suck now?Regarding Yes Minister- Paul Eddington is dead as well (fucking horrible thing killed him) and I've a feeling that Nigel Hawthorne has also shuffled off his mortal coil.
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Notably- The Trial of Tony Blair, which was wonderful, and the Blunkett comedy-drama (A very social secretary) which fucking nailed New Labour. You probably won't get this, but: What's this: ....... ....... ........ ....... ........ ........ ........ ....... ........ ........ ........ ...... ........ X
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David Blunkett's Resignation Letter hehehehe
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Great mini as well, With Sir Alec.
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Easily best Le Carre adaptation so far. Alec Guinness WAS Smiley. There can be no argument on this.
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a corrupt, blind, unprincipled, (alleged)socialist twat. Despite being a socialist, he put his principles aside as Home Secretary and tried to force through some truly Right Wing legislation. He eventually got caught nobbing a married woman and was forced to resign. The man's a complete cunt.
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and want to go to the park, but they won't let me. *sniff* It's sunny and everything.
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Al Gore saw to it - he created the internet for you! Explore!
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Nope, never been to Michigan, only been to Minnesota on business in that area.
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to actually do it yet.And it's overcast here, though the weekend is supposed to be great. Which is nice since I have a wedding to go to at the Cape.
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Yes, but I've just spent the last half an hour gazing out of the window. I bet there is hot women wearing bikinis sunbathing in the park.
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"m7676 whatever how about you move and help my cause."
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before the fetid stench of Animalparts returns. Although Memories of Murder does live in Portugal, so that should be pretty much a solid reason for not going there, I think it is actually a reason to go. You could kidnap the bastard and tie him to a chair with a perpetual loop of Michael Bay films playing. I bet his tiny mind would explode.
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I would suggest you pay Frankenmuth a visit. Oh, yes,they also have a store called Bronners that sells nothing but christmas knicks knacks and whatnot 364 days of the years.
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is like us dispensing pencil jihad every day. Pencilmas.Leadmas.
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and loved it. Granted, I don't know where exactly in Portugal it was.
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Why? How strange.
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Gives third world countries a bad name. Fucking hate the place, and I've been to lots of different bits of it.
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A few people at my work went there and loved it.
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even if a lot of it is me talking to myself. But fuck it, I know I'm a great conversationalist.
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Jun 05, 2008 8:08:04 AM CDT
Lederhosen, all you can eat chicken dinners, and christmas store
by toadkillerdog
Bronners - from the website (and why do I feel like the chamber of commerce?) Oh well, Frankenmuth is a cool place to visit.
Bronner's was founded in 1945 by Wally Bronner. When Wally painted his first sign over 50 years ago, little did he dream that his small business would one day become the world's largest Christmas store visited by millions of people. Open 361 days of the year, Bronner's features over 50,000 trims and gifts, including Christmas ornaments, artificial Christmas trees, Christmas lights, Nativity scenes, Christmas decorations, collectibles, and more.
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Because they got some serious beer up there. They call it Little Bavaria.
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The housing is relatively cheap - but the commute is a bitch!
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Yeah, that's what I heard. Very good white water rafting too, though I've never done that.Toad - Wally's tears of joy turn to snowflakes every winter at Bronners from high above.
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That place rakes the money in. I even bought a trinket or two, you can't help it.
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Saw on SportsCenter there was an event in England called "shin kicking contest" or whatever the fuck it was called. Guys kicking the shit out of each other's shins. So.....how long has this been going on for?
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Gobble gobble!
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but it wouldn't surprise me. Seriously there's all sorts of weird competitions in the countryside. One place has a "slug wrangling" (or it might be worms) competition where you've got to collect as many as you can from a small bit of ground. I hate the countryside.
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Is that what you do to Korean immigrants? For shame!!!!!
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Fuck I'm bored. I'm going to try to pursuade my local landlord that he needs to sell me Guiness at 8AM Saturday for when Ireland play New Zealand. But I'm not optimistic.
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off the North West coast. Then they get drowned and there is an outcry that lasts for a good five minutes. It's all very sad really.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=03XrnpUN540
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Youtube is banned here. Fucking work.
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It keeps telling me that if I sign up to find love and fail then they'll give me my money back. Leaving aside the fact that if you sign up to internet dating you are destined to only meet fat mingers, how do they determine that you have failed to find love? This is all very confusing and I only mention it because the stupid banner is knackering my internet more than the Kung Poo Homo one was.
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The funniest thing about that Ad is that there are 2 people CLEARLY about to shag (despite the terrible flash animation) and then it pops up with "They won't be getting their money back. Will You?". To be honest, if I was signing up to internet dating and a chick that hot would consent to shag me, then they can keep the money. They don't seem to know their target market. I'm tempted to start a sort of online brothel where fat losers sign up and then I send a nasty crack whore round to their place to give them a dose and then rob them. The strapline will be "If you don't come then I don't care- you still won't get your money back. Because, let's face it, if you've signed up to this you're a pathetic gimboid that should be thankful to even SEE a pussy"
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And proceed to kick the shit out onf one anothers shins!
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Morbid's been waiting a long time. Now he can stop dating himself.
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There's all sorts of weird shit that takes place in the countryside. Outside of incest, obviously. And Cider drinking.
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Thanks for the video. I now weep for Western Civilization.
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is there any way harry can turn it off. It's driving me mad.
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for that vid ...
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Saw it on SportsCenter the other night.Jarv, it's only you. So you have the ad and shin kicking. Not sure what else to say...
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It's taking fucking ages for AICN to refresh because of it. AAAAAARGGGGGHHHHH. This is driving me mad.
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"The Shin Kicking Association of Britain (appropriately abbreviated SKAB) are petitioning the Olympic committee to make shin kicking part of the 2012 Olympics in London. Now all they have to do is prove that shin kicking is played by men in 75 countries on four continents and women in 40 countries on three continents.The Cotswold Olimpicks do actually have a long history and began as early as 1612, which just helps prove that even the most inane features of British culture are steeped in tradition and history. The games were originally organized by attorney Robert Dover as a protest against the growing Puritanism of the day. "Say no to Puritans! Kick a friend in the shins!"
Apparently back in the early years competitors would toughen up their shins with hammers and would then wear iron-capped boots during the competition. Talk about extreme sports... These days such hardcore shenanigans are not allowed - competitors must wear soft shoes. Last year's winner also recommends the use of a light anesthetic - in the form of a couple of beers - to help get through the event. It's hard to argue with him."Priceless... -
http://www.daeschner.com/movies/shin_kicking.mov
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or Gloucestershire. And I've changed my mind about that dating chick. She isn't hot. I've had plenty of time to look while the page takes a fucking age to refresh. This is not a good Ad campaign. And I should know, I've approved some shocking ones out of laziness.
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We need a CoC convention!
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Perhaps at his daughter's school for "Career Day" telling then that they too can grow up and become a warciple.Practice spelling and math? Fuck no. Pencil stabbings kids...and it's all in the wrist.
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It's not hard to find any sort of craziness around the world. Olympic shin kicking? It may well happen.
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I think political threads bore him. But he doesn't know we've hijacked it for inanities.
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she's not attractive at all. And a bit of a slag, judging by the ad
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Look up "Extreme Ironing". Seriously, I kid you not. Extreme Ironing.
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for long distance pencil hurling and cross-country pencil jihad.With pencil hurling, they release shitheels into the area and pencil jihadists use all their skills to hurl their #2 pencil at said shitheels. Points are awarded for accuracy, distance, and number of shitheels eliminated.Cross-country pencil jihad entails contestants cross-country skiing and then instead of shooting a gun, hurling a pencil at infidel targets.
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Says the tit that has spent all day reading the Over by Over report on the Cricket in the Guardian. And posting on AICN. I want to try to break 2000 before I leave. If we manage it I'll reveal the death capital of Europe.
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It sure sounded like you were, asshole.
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and can only be improved by Changian events. Pencil hurling sounds similar to the Javelin. But a lot more interesting.
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seeing as drugs are not prohibited under the church doctrine, and I'm pretty certain steroids couldn't enhance your performance in either.
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but it does involve more participants (sure, most of them don't make it, but they are still part of the "goodwill" of the event) and who doesn't want to see shitheels impaled with a pencil on tv?Would probably make a great drinking game BTW....
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Fuck, we'll just go off on our own from the Olympics. We'll have it the sametime to put them out of business.
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from competing. We'll keep a level playing field that way.
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cunts. And she's a pigdog slapper. I've now decided.
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...the USSR into totalitarianism was because he believed he could have a socialist revolution in Russia only, but because of outside capitalist forces he was driven to use extrmem force to achieve his goals."
There it is, right there in black and white. You're becoming as proficient as Brane is in denying posts made in the very same talkback. -
The wife has been nagging to do something like this.
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Actually Node- WW1 was imperialist. You can't blame capitalism for that one.
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I think we may have a misunderstanding here. Please define both Capitalism and Imperialism for me- so I can look at what you are saying. I will do so afterwardsI don't want to have this discussion fall apart and degenerate into a slanging match because of a communication error
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anyway that WW1 was NOT a capitalist war.
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BY THE COWARD SHIA LEBEOUF
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How would capitalism have been able to destroy so many without the power of a central government? Would Microsoft or even Lockheed Martin start bombing Iraq on their own? And where does our government get the money to do these things? Through their socialist income taxes (i.e. the second plank of the communist manifesto) and by printing up money out of thin air through their central banks (i.e. fifth plank of the communist manifesto). We may call it capitalism, but most of the leaders throughout the 20th century have swallowed the socialist blue pill.
Regardless of their intentions, once you concentrate that much power into so few hands, you're pretty much guaranteeing the atrocities we saw throughout that period. Evil people will always seek out that concentrated power. In a true laissez-faire capitalist society, you'd still have plenty of fuck-nuts out there, but their power would be kept in check by the competition. If Microsoft were to start a war, the cost of their products would go up, and everyone would switch to Apple. And Bill Gates probably does more to help people with his money than the government did for the Katrina victims, so I don't buy that we need them for that either. Centralized power is the evil, not capitalism. -
Cheese.
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Yes, you admitted it was a cut and paste job, but you omitted where it came from: A marxist website. Tad bit suspect there. Node, I truly would like to understand how you are come to the belief that Communism (in whatever form you choose) is superior to Capitalism (which I stipulate is not the greatest form of gov't, but it is what we have that works)? Not only why you believe, but how you would implement it - in a real world scenario, not some 'you are given godlike powers' thing. I want to know based upon what evidence, not just hatred of capitalism, but upon what solid evidence that a communist system is superior to capitalism. I will not hamstring you by forcing you to use the Soviet, Cuban, or Chinese models. Feel free to explain disregarding those precedents.
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...without government sanction. How else would they be able to keep their competitors at bey? This is where greed is good. The biggest companies might try to form a cartel to do as you say. But eventually someone would get greedy and start trying to undercut their competition to dominate the market. Monopolies are essentially awarded by governments to get a better rate on contracted services.
Right now, large companies lobby government for all sorts of regulations and licensing that make it very difficult to get into their business. Eventually, the cost of compliance becomes so high that only the biggest companies can survive it and nobody new can get in. And because they are always on the cusp, they eventually have to merge themselves in order to survive it. Our regulatory environment is responsible for the drift towards a few corporations controlling everything. Not to mention that they make or break companies depending on who they award contracts too. Microsoft, for instance, would not have the lock on the desktop that they do if it wasn't for the need of business to be compatible with what the government and government schools are using.
I work in a large corporation and we're quickly getting to the point where the only customer we'll have left is the government. And aside from out contracts with them, we're constantly in training to fulfill one government mandate or another (I write commercial software, not exactly building missiles here). Quite frankly, we do more activities related to the cost of compliance, than we do for generating profit. But we get bigger and bigger each day thanks to our stranglehold on a few choice government contracts. Those government contracts subsidize us and enable us to underbid our competition in the commercial/consumer sector. We're a huge player, but we'd be nothing on a level playing ground.
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And I completely see where you are coming from. Unfortunately you are using a wholly marxist interpretation of history and not one I agree with.
Arguably the WWI arouse as a direct result of several different factors- imperialism, but not in the sense you mean was just one of them- I won't do them all, as this would turn into a very, very boring thesis but I will do imperialism.
Imperialism in the sense that you mean was already finished by the early 20th Century. All land had been grabbed, and there was literally nowhere that the European Empires could expand into. The most important Empires for the purpose of this conversation are the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Germany, Russia and the Ottoman Empire. Of these 4, Russia, AH and Turkey were in serious trouble, and Germany was nascent. Germany only unified in 1872, and had spent the vast majority of the 19th century in internal strife. The Kaiser did look on the British Empire enviously, but had no way to take it on. Austro Hungary, on the other hand (the most important of the empires) was in real shit. It was seriously in decline and the ruling family were absolutely desperate to hold onto power and the integrity of their state. Unfortunately for them, the Balkan states (Serbia in particular) were breaking away, and to make matters worse were establishing themselves as successful modern nations. The Ottoman Empire was the sick man of Europe and was on the verge of collapse, and the Russian Empire was rife with internal problems most of which would have led to the Aristocracy losing power. These nations needed something to unite them, to hold the integrity of their Empires together. Britain was mostly isolationist at this stage (sound familiar), and as the dominant power in Europe really has to take some blame for not stopping the decline. Nevertheless, the main bodies formed themselves into strategic alliances and engaged in a futile arms race to deter the other side. This plan, to quote Blackadder, was Bollocks. The Entente Powers (Britain, France and Russia)were becoming increasingly nervous of their own situations- Russia in particular, and Germany, Austria, and turkey were becoming increasingly bullish. In Germany’s case it was eyeing up German Eastern Europe, whereas the thinking in Austria was to conquer the Balkan states again to serve as an example to the rest of their Empire.
Eventually, it came to a head with the assassination of Franz-Ferdinand by a Serbian separatist giving Austria the excuse needed to invade. The Entente had guaranteed Serbian nationality, and were left with no alternative but to declare war. Therefore, I counter that the imperialist cause of the First World War was not, as you assert capitalist based on the expansion of markets, but rather political as it was about maintaining the integrity of the old Empires.
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I hope it wasn't too dull.
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You laid out the foundations for war in a very succinct manner. The interlocking alliances and desperation to hold onto power, are indeed what drove the conflict.
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I do understand his capitalism argument, but it just ignores the passage of time. I forgot to include that Germany as a new nation did not feel "complete" and therefore when eyeing up the likes of Poland was not expanding in a capitalist fashion, but rather attempting to finish the job Bismark started. It's been over 10 years since I studied this, and thinking may have moved on, but that long post contains the crux of the matter as I remember it.
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Due to the Balkan states wanting to separate themselves from Austro-Hungarian and Turkish rule. If I remember correctly, there was a series of small wars before WWI in the region involving numerous countries at one point or another.
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Pillows said in 3 lines what it took me an essay to say. Curse my long-windedness.
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2 simple reasons: 1)The colonial powers were Britain and France, both of which were instrumental in the Entente, and therefore culpable, but not the driving force. The driving nations did not have colonies per se- They were not even democratic. What they were is trying to hold on to the integrity of the nation state and the Aristocracy were attempting to keep their grip on power. It was about power in it's purest sense not economics. 2)I know this is a very, very silly reason but don't discount it: pride. When you have the power of the nation concentrated within a limited group the personalities of those making the decisions becomes all important. Kaiser Wilhelm, Tsar Nicholas and the Austrian Emporer were obsessed with challenging Britain and their legacy. Especially in the case of Wilhelm- a relatively new Monarch and one related to Queen Victoria. Economics was not the driving force of politics in the early 20th century that it is now- else the Russian revolution would have occured in 1905 after Nicholas dissolved the Dacha.
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The place is Glasgow. Life expectancy for men in some areas is below 50. Worst in Europe. Viva Ecosse!
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I think the basic problem, Node is that we are looking at this from two different perspectives. You are a self-avowed trotskyite, and I'm not. We both, therefore, have our interpretations of history that we prefer, and although I do not agree with your argument and can put up a reasonable counter-argument of my own, I also recognise that it is a not-unreasonable interpretation. Historians far more qualified than us have been arguing this for a long time- so it isn't going to get settled here.
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You have thumped on capitalism quite a bit in the past few days on this TB, and talked up Trotskyism like a true believer. So, I find it hard to believe that you would not believe such a system is superior to capitalism, regardless of whether you have seen it implemented properly or not. Why else would you believe in a form of government if not wanting that government? And why would you want a different form of government (by your belief in that different form) if it was not superior to the one that currently exists?
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How the hell did that happen?
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Well it is from a liberal writer with a liberal director featuring mostly outspoken liberal stars and it will air on one of the most biased liberal cable channels. I sure hope we get a balanced flick.
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The Thick of it is Genius and doesn't need Langham, tis a worthy descendant of the Superb Yes Minister. House of Cards was a masterclass in machiavellian politics and, but yeah did fall away at the last series. Tinker Tailor is a bona fide classic and Guinness is utterly mesmerising and convincing. (Also Patrick Stewart does a nice little turn as a menacing Karla in it)
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I actually thought you might have had some creative ideas of your own, but it appears that you're just another mouthpiece. When you trotted out the old "Capitalism has killed more than Communism" cliché your credibility sank even further.
The comparison itself is completely erroneous to begin with. The correct comparison should be either "Capitalism has murdered more/less than Command Economies" or "Liberal Western Democracy has murdered more/less than Communism".
As the learned Jarv has pointed out, societies and cultures are, in contrast to the myopic Marxist view, much more than the sum of their economic systems. They are entwined, of course, but it's impossible to place, for instance, modern free market Denmark in the same basket as Pinochet's 1970's Chile. Sure, they're both capitalist economies, but so far apart when it comes to everything else that labeling them the same is ludicrous. Brane's problem is a variation of this theme, since he can't differentiate between Socialism and National Socialism, but that's a separate matter.
The second bone I have to pick with you is your Stalin apologism. Communists and Nazis are frighteningly similar when it comes to this. Many of them want to distance themselves from the past but not entirely cut the ties with their heritage.
Modern Communists dismiss Soviet bloc states as, to borrow a term from our Slavic friends, examples of "real socialism", meaning they were either merely failed attempts at establishing true Communist states and that their hideous methods are in no way linked to Marxist ideology, or that they were intermediary forms of government on the way to utopia. What immediately follows this description every time I've argued with Marxists is that yes, there were hideous things going on at the time, but "it's understandable considering *insert anti-liberal democratic cliché*."
Neo-Nazis, especially the Strasserist variety, say the same thing: "Nazi Germany wasn't truly National Socialist, it was Hitlerist", after which they make excuses for what went on in Nazi Germany based on *insert anti-socialist and/or anti-liberal democratic cliché*.
Now you tell me what the difference is between you saying the things you said about Stalin and the things Brane said about Milosevic, namely that "his heart was in the right place" but that "he went about it the wrong way" and was "just trying to defend his country from invasion".
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...a favorite of mine is A Very British Coup from the late 1980s. It deals with a hardline Socialist who becomes prime minister and the events set in motion by arch-conservative elements to have him removed from power. A terrific mini-series in every way.
Why is it Britain seems to be able to make amazing political dramas at the same rate America makes shitcoms while the U.S. will produce something of similar quality maybe once in ten years? -
...the truly terrifying, ghastly and soul-searing nuclear holocaust drama Threads while we Americans got Steve Guttenberg in a bald wig in The Day After.
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Yeah, but America has the best po po dramas. My favorite are the Law and Orders. Turn on the tele any time of day, and there's bound to be some L&O on. Great stuff. And Xiphos LOVES him some Alicia Witt!
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Actually there was an older British Drama from the 60's called "The War Game" that the Government deemed "too horrifying" to air and was banned for decades though it won an Oscar.
Threads was as bleak as a Movie can get yet is compelling and still teaches all these recent so called "apocalyptic" Movies what the word really means.
A very British Coup was an excellent book by Chris Mullin M.P. turned into an excellent drama with a great central performance from Ray McAnally. -
Though the Brits did have a Police drama called "The Cops" which was actually pretty hard hitting, realistic and unglamarous and is well worth hunting down on the internets.
Inspector Morse is pretty good too. (not forgetting the far older stuff like The Sweeney The Profesionals and the more recent and very good Life on Mars.) -
That's pretty fucking weak.
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..."misguided" as close enough.
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Life expectancy for men in some parts of it has plummeted below 50. A combination of drugs, shit fried food, fighting, smoking, alcoholism, stupidity, crap housing, and many others have basically produced conditions the 19th century would be ashamed of. Viva Ecosse!
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Seriously: Boys from the Blackstuff, Threads, Very British Coup, GBH, Lipstick on Your Collar, Young Ones, New Statesman, Spitting Image, The Singing Detective, I can go on for ages.
The 90's were pretty sweet as well: Drop the Dead Donkey, Red Dwarf, Ultraviolet, Prime Suspect (fuck the wire- Prime Suspect is the shit), Cops (The Shield rips off Cops wholesale), People Like Us (My favourite ever comedy line- It was mock interviews in British Workplaces done in documentary style- One Woman says: “The worst thing about being female in the British Workplace is the glass ceiling” and the interviewer replies “Is that because it’s very difficult to keep clean”. The Royle Family, Spaced and so forth.
This decade on the other hand has been FUCKING atrocious and an embarrassment compared to what we can do. We’ve had some great comedy (Peep Show is the current king) and revitalised Who, but it’s been solid reality drivel for years.
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our educational and informative little thread seems to be going the way of the dodo. But it makes me happy that Brane ran off because I've clobbered him so heavily.
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Just because Brown is a Scot and is feeble minded enough to actually want to mimic Tony Blair, no matter what the cost, doesn't mean everyone who hails from there is the same.
The Scots I know are amused by the Hard drinking & Drugs image and certainly don't deny that it's true. But they also keep telling me that Scottish universities produce more graduates in the natural sciences, mathematics and computing on a per capita basis than Japan, the US or any country in Western Europe. Fried Mars Bars & Neds or not.
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shithole of a place
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Glasgow in particular, and it isn't bashing Glasgow for the sake of it. There was a bit of an outcry about it.
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and it does spread around Lanarkshire as well. It's on the news pretty much every day- Scotland has the highest obesity/ heart attack rate in Europe, Aids/ Drugs problems, and is second to Iceland for alcoholism. I despise Brown, but am not convinced he is actually a member of the human race, let alone Scottish. If he had any human decency then we'd get an Election and the chance to boot his useless arse to the kerb.
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and I am not proud of my MA from one of the best. Really not at all. We pull this along with the fact that Scotland invented practically everything of use on the planet (true), and that Scots are second only to Jews in terms of percentage of genius in the population (no idea if true or not).
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Yes, there a few great U.S. cop shows, like The Wire and The Shield, but most of it is forensics shit peopled only with actors who look like fashion models. Britain clobbers us in that department with shows like Prime Suspect and Cracker, which are mind-bogglingly superb.
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and Prime Suspect was also great.
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yet had British tea. Well, sort of.
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What the fucking hell? It's supposed to be sunny today according to our esteemed meteorologists. Weather update: It's raining pencils.The Jihad against the weathermen has begun...brace yourselves.
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and now I'll have to go see IT since I'm experiencing technical difficulties. I fail to see why they decide to touch something that works.IT intervention = broken
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What will they have on tap at the wedding tomorrow? I'm parched for some delicious beer. Bah...probably Bud or some other liquid roadkill..
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The reason, Pillows, is that It departments are filled with complete fucknuts to a man (and don't give me any shit about female IT techs. I've never seen one). Obviously 99% of what they do can be accomplished by anyone that knows where the OFF button is on a computer. Therefore, to justify their existance and not get a well deserved sacking, they have to constantly tit about installing things, removing things and they just make a mess. Or they put me back on quota time. But I've threatened FLAMING LEG KICK to their precious server if they do it to me again.
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Watch Cracker, Peep Show, Spaced, League of Gentlemen and Prime Suspect. There were 2 excellent documentaries on Cricket on the other night but that would not be of any interest to you at all.
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I swear we should have just stayed on the 25 column sheets...And we actually have a female IT help desk person right now (contractor). She's merely average in real life, but I'm sure a hot pepper as far as female IT people go...
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for British tv? I can't watch any U.S. television, it all sucks as far as I'm concerned. And sorry BSB, but I fucking hate all the law & order shows. Enough already.
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to go from one pc to another. And after giving it a wee bit of thought, I suppose I should not have stabbed the IT person in the neck this morning. It did nothing to speed up results.
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person play with my toggle switch.
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The rest of them are historical, most telly at the moment sucks like a dyson. Fucking Big Brother
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No such thing as female IT Tech. They're all fat guys with "ironic" curry stained T-shirts.
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such landmarks should be commemorated.
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I thought the third one was ok, but I always love looking at Helen.
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Now granted, I've never seen her do anything but sit in front of her computer, but she does sit in the same area as the help desk heathens....Actually, that probably makes her more effective.
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Ours is a fat useless cretin. He actually tried to get on big brother this year despite having the personality of tapioca. I wanted him to go, just so we could get someone with a fucking clue in. Maybe you should catch her and put her in a zoo for rarity value?
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but it wasn't as good as the first 2. The last one, that was on this year, followed the rule of British series and was crap.
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There's been much debate as to whether she will mate in the wild or not.
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It is a shame that this TB will go the way of the Polar Bear, it was damn good for a while, but we got some good debate and airing of issues, and not just the same old name calling - although plenty of that too!
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I thought there was loads of them
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to march on the humans and maul us all?Cause that's what the polar bears are up to. Kung-fu Panda my ass...
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no way in fuck she can breed in the wild. There's no evidence at all to support that males of her natural mating group can breed in the wild (and plenty to support that they can't), and IT techs need each other to survive.
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pussy needs to be set upon by an angry Kodiak bear. That'll learn him
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is the biggest disgrace to Bearkind. I think so. Not only is he a pussy vegetarian bear, but he's fat and dim and wants to learn martial arts. He should chomp his sensei. Luckily they're going extinct. Gay Panda's not senseis.
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They be in trouble
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they would strap on some armor and go to war. Reclaim their fucking name.While they are at it, chomp down the rest of the panda bitches.
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While we have no proof of this, we believe she is the only one of her kind.
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Grizzlies would never stand for that shit! The only ones on the endangered list would be humans who got in their way!
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One would think with humans moving in on their territory and the forests diminishing, they would have mauled more people. Show them who's got the bigger furry balls. But alas, quite the opposite has happened. Less maulings. More children's books about snoring bears and going on bear hunts.If anyone needs to go on a jihad, it's bears.
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I do believe you missed the mighty Bear thread. We discussed the merits of bears, chomping and which pussy bears are a disgrace to the species. In honour of that, I'm going to go and find my Crap Bears guide. It may take a while.
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A massed, rampaging bunch of heavily armed bears attacking humanity with trusty No. 2's!
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It's part of the genesis of Changian doctrine. Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/48xfva
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One of my funniest posts. I'm inexplicably proud of this: Bears that deserve to die1) Pooh: kids love him, but he is an instrument of corporate evil, and seems to be inexplicably proud to be stupid
2)yogi: has homosexual relationship with booboo. Thinks he's smart. Isn't
3) booboo- see yogi. If one of them dies the other also has to.
4)bear in the big blue house. He thinks he's nice, and a talented singer. Deserves to die.
5)Care Bears. Flourescent and useless. Must die
6)Sooty. Please see my post above. I hate him. (Post above= SOOTY you cunt. Take your wank magic and your shitty squeaking and your hopeless inbred panda girlfriend and your moron puppeteer and FUCK OFF"
7)paddington bear. Named after a station. Wears duffel coat. Illegal immigrant
8) gentle Ben. Complete sell out cunt. 9)Baloo- Thinks he's wacky and zany. Borederine inter-species paedo. complete cunt.
10)Bear with the shites in that dr doolittle sequel. Everyone involved in that should die.
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And bears are not wielders of pencils. But they will be the first wave of the CoC Army when we...errr...nothing. Never mind. Move along, nothing to see here...
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from the new Narnia movie that was referenced in someone's review to your list Jarv.
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is we were doing it on purpose to keep AvP off number 1. And we succeeded, We Rock.
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The Power of the Bear is not yet extinguished...
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through that thread and made some coherent critical points. What were we thinking?
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That would be shameful on my part, plus nearly impossible. Oh, look, a pretty light...
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Clearly the CoC and the spreading of its messages are more important than a silly income.
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and pencil jihad on Kloipy's employer. Rotten fuckers.
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I will get to it.
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for over a week on tangents. It's magnificent.
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node, I believe you wanted to post that to the 'W' thread.This is clearly a bear discussion.
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and the only thing working is my internet explorer. Hysterical. No work for me until the fat dork in the mocked up i-pod tshirt with the dubious stain on the front fixes everything! Yay!
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As in bears.
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anything to add to the WW1 conversation? "Trench warfare would not be effective against bears" Discuss.
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while a fine sweet product do not do the noble bear any favours becuase they're soft and squishy and kids love them.
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while a fine sweet product do not do the noble bear any favours becuase they're soft and squishy and kids love them.
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that fucking D & D column. Seriously, I speak geek as well as anyone here but what on earth does this mean? "I've been P&P RPG'ing for 20 years. And I've done my time w/ EQ, DAoC, and WoW. If D&D has been turned into a P&P version of WoW, that will suck. With 3e, I was starting to be willing to play D&D (I don't do ed 1 or 2), rather than my beloved (tho nowhere near perfect) Palladium Books system. I wish WotC the best of luck!"That's not English, that's a collection of random letters thrown together. Fucking shit makes my brain melt. And I like Final Fantasy.
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in the Balkans in 1913 have solved everything?
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Forgive the short sentences, I am multitaksing big time at work today.
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this is AICN, a haven for this sort of shit, but really, what the fuck?
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that words can not do justice to...
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I think.
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Don't ever, ever, paste anything like that again. Whatever that was, it was rather disturbing.
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give us peace in the middle east? These are important things.
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and don't want to find out. I mean really, do people like that ever get laid? And this may not surprise you, but Ringwearer9 is into that shit where people dress up as elves.
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as my running mate. Clearly I would win every debate by default due to my opponent being eaten. No politician left uneaten.
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I'd love to set a bear lose in the House of COmmons. There's over 600 of the fuckers. An angry bear would make the UK such a better place.
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Seriously.
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an IT tech. And I bet he has an "ironic" T-shirt featuring some thankfully defunct obscure british punk act that were only ever cool for about 3 nanoseconds in 1981
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I've just read the next comment in that D &D thread. And although it is in some form of discernable English I also have no idea what it is about. There has to be an upper limit to geekiness, surely? I'm never reading that again.
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Jun 06, 2008 10:36:56 AM CDT
clearly there is no limit after reading that gibberish
by just pillow talk
Talking about bears makes you cool.That's quite obvious.
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what isn't cool about Bears?
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see you next weekend, Bye bye thread *sniff*
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Yes, I will miss the thread as well. Maybe someone will spam it back up the charts and we can resume on monday!
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One: This thread is still here. Amazing! You guys are great. Could this possibly be a semi-permanent political thread? Is it the times we live in? I'm nont sure how much I'll be able to check in, but I'm back home on the 17th, if it's still here then perhaps we should apply for permanent status.
Two: Holy Fuck is Anchorite ever a racist sumbag! I've had interesting, even fascinating conversations with him about all kinds of topics, but he's obviously so, so very sad that it looks like we might get a Democratic president that he's climbing over himself in his enthusiasm to sound like an absolute FUCKING ASSHOLE. Hey Anchorite! I used to respect you, but now all I have to say to you is GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU MISERABLE SHIT.
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I just tried to scan and speed-read as much of this TB as I could, Am I really the only one who's commented on Anchorite's post? June 4 12:29 AM. It's more honestly and unabashadly racist than anything Brane's written.
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We kept it alive for you! I do think it is on it last legs, but I have been wrong before. I missed Anchorite's post. It is deeply racist, and offensive. And the coward that he is, he never returned to post others - thankfully. I would have enjoyed ripping into him, just like that asshat Tophat over on the Memflix TB.
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bling? WTF anchorite? Why not say something about the old white bastard then?
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I just had to yell at a bunch of people in my area yapping about the lies Bush & Co. told about WMD's, and that they would have been fine just dropping a bomb over there. Are you kidding me? They're so quick to wipe out untold numbers of lives just so that their own life supposedly wouldn't be bothered by rising prices of goods and oil. Fucking ridiculous. I swear to CoC that I should buy a tank, and me and my pet Bear (forthcoming) will just take over the world....
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He is long gone. This was a great TB though, because it evolved. I am glad it was not just flying insults -although, they can be very funny! There is another jackass named Tophat over on the Generation Kill TB.
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Because he will be called - Bear-Bear. Not a Bearly name at all.
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and your excellent post.This is a very common example of what the warciples do to dead threads. Resuscitate them back to life through bold declarations of pencil jihad and other nonsensical tidbits of non-information. Tis quite fun.
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Apoc for short.
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Jun 06, 2008 2:03:51 PM CDT
don't know if you saw it in the Hulk thread (Massy's)
by just pillow talk
Here's what MNG had to say about I am Batman:"I am Batman = The Eeyore of AICN"I found it quite amusing....
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ur so racist! BTW did you ever notice that George Bush looks like a monkey?
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I just replied to your post over there. i did not read what MNG said, but that is quite funny! Lets bring this puppy back to life!
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We can let this TB live! At least until 5:00 PM Est.
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well, more like 3:50pm for me. I'm outta here my friend. I've got to go home and take my stats exam now.I can promise you I will be having many adult beverages tomorrow...The CoC does NOT approve of statistics exams.
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With the adult beverages I mean! Stats exams are beyond the ability of luck to influence. They are a sign of Apoc!
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XOXOXOXOXO!!!
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In about one hour I will be on my Heritage - just burning fuel and not giving a damn! Life is good! If this TB exists on Monday -I will be pleasantly surprised.
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Pencil jihad? CoC? What is up?
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Inedible, I hadn't thought of that. It takes the wind out of me just realizing that you're so, so right.
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to get this back on the top 10
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But this is worthy
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But I will give it a shot - at home today
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Until then
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Until then
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That's funny- last message is a double post.
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lets put it back in top 10
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Yes we can!
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And it was an accident!
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AICN is being very weird at the moment. There's the new look Zone, which sucks, Mirajeff's meltdown, Harry selling the site, and that Gone fiasco- which I missed because I don't open stories that don't interest me.
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Where??
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What did you end up thinking about Doomsday?
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