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The TERMINATOR SALVATION Website Is Live (Featuring Production Art & McG)!!

Merrick here...
Warners has brought the TERMINATOR 4 website online - with a message from McG about the start of production.
Like you guys, I’ve been a long-time fan of the series and I understand your passion for the Terminator movies -- and it’s my full intention to deliver a film that lives up to the previous three installments. I’ve spent time with James Cameron, spoken to Arnold Schwarzenegger, gone over the story with Jonah Nolan, and enlisted Stan Winston.
...is part of what he says. The Powers That Be have also released a piece of production art from the film, shown below. A significantly emgiggenable version is available through the site, which can be accessed by punching that HK!


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  • May 24, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    live up to part three???

    by hegele

    wow, aim your sights high sir.

  • May 24, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    So far so good...

    by wraith777

    good cast, concept art, talking to the previous folks, all check marks...please keep it real and just change your name, we would all respect you so much more then

  • May 24, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Still

    by mefrog

    It's PG-13

  • May 24, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    nice one

    by mrbong

    thanks for the link - not everyone here is a complete cock that thinks a film has to have an R to be quality, and actually just want to see the film before deciding if it is good or not.

  • May 24, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    CUNTWALKER OF COURSE YOU WERE FIRST

    by suit and tie

    YOU HAUNT THIS SITE LIKE ANAL WARTS YOU FUCKING FAGGOT LYIN COCKSUCKER SNITCH TRANNY FUCKTARD. LYING FUCKING QUEER TWINKLE TOES COCK GOBBELLING CUM CATCHING PIVOT BOY. SHUT YOUR CAKE BOY MOUTH YOU GERBIL STUFFING SHITEATER. DID YA MISS DADDY? I NOW HAVE SOME TIME TO DEVOTE TO MY FAVORITE ACTIVITY MAKING A FAGGGOT LIKE CUNTHAM SNITCHWALKER GO FETAL OUT OF FEAR OF DADDIES WRATH. RIGHT MY FAVORITE FUCKHOLE BITCH? CUNT.

  • May 24, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Charlie's Angels, never forget

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    PG-13

  • May 24, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    GET FUCKED!!!!

    by _SnakePlissken_

    "As you know, Anton Yelchin is playing Kyle Reese, and his prep has been unbelievable. The guy's been watching all three Terminators incessantly and he’s definitely going to capture the essence of the character Michael Biehn created in Cameron’s first film." Have you seen that kid?? he couldn't capture Michael Biehn's fucking left testicle

  • May 24, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    hmmmm

    by chaggard

    looks cool, love bale, but i dont know... the whole thing seems kind of forced.

  • May 24, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I'm significantly embiggened.

    by jimmy rabbitte

  • May 24, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Jonah Nolan as in Jonathan Nolan...

    by lokiboy101

    Of Memento/Batman Begins. Good sign! What happened to the Paul Haggis re-write though?

  • May 24, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    I cannot

    by MeshGearFoxx

    in good conscious see a movie directed by someone named McG.

  • May 24, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Moan..

    by Porrohman

    moan moan whinge grumble moan grumble whinge bitch moan grumble grumble moan whinge fuckin bitch grumble moan moan fucking moan!!!!!!!

  • May 24, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Wow, he is going to make a film up to the standard of...

    by TooWhippy

    T3? Way to shoot low McG.

  • May 24, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Charlie's Angels is one of the best Action-Comedies of This Deca

    by MasterBateman

    You're all just a bunch of movie snobs who can't admit how charming that film is. Ok, so it catered to the masses. God forbid you enjoy something that Joe and Jane Ordinary also enjoyed. Get over it. McG will make a kickass Terminator movie. Don't fuck it up by stirring up bad buzz. You want a good Terminator flick? Leave him alone. I might add that We Are Marshall was recently voted the best football movie on an ESPN poll. I've never seen it, but clearly McG has a decent track record, so Charlie Haters can go fuck themselves.

  • May 24, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    That's a KISS poster in the lower right hand corner!

    by 3D-Man

    It's official—the future is gonna suck.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Terminator 3 kicked ass

    by zillabeast

    Not a freakin' classic like the first two, but miles better than most of what we get these days.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Dammit Merrick! Warn us about spoilers!

    by BurnHollywood

    I didn't know Kiss survived Judgement Day! You ruined the movie for me!

  • May 24, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    The End is Near...

    by SenatorNado

    ... I'm not too impressed by this concept art. Looks like it was too much inspired by Alan Weisman's THE WORLD WITHOUT US... Personally, I am curious to know what this is all about: http://www.theendisnear.co.uk

  • May 24, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    What kind of name

    by xX_BlackThorne_Xx

    is "McG" anyways?! First few times I saw that this guy was directing T4, I figured it was short for "McGregor" or "McGill" or something... as it stands, he sounds like a McDonalds sandwich

  • May 24, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Why the hell

    by Jack_Of_Spades45

    Aren't more of you people upset that this most definitely will be rated PG-13? Everyone practically shit a brick when it was disclosed that "Live Free or Die Hard" would be PG-13 here a year ago. If anything, you'd expect this movie to be wayyyyy more violent than even a Die Hard movie. I wanted this to be like "Saving Private Ryan," with wild man-killing machines running amok and human arms, legs and heads getting blown off all over the damn place. The PG-13 rating coupled with the fact that this is directed by the same shithead who did "Charles Angels" is enough evidence in my humble opinion that this movie is going to suck dick.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    What he wrote didn't sound so bad...

    by Kevin Bosch

    ...until the end, when he signed it "McG." That kinda ruined it all.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    smart move

    by Turd Furgeson

    Keep stuff coming out along the way and talking to the internet will probably help with rumor control... I'm reserving judgement until I see a trailer...

  • May 24, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    "I'm going to live up to the last three installments"

    by fractureJonze

    Hey why cant we just forget the third ever happened? Plus, whats with the face on the flying tank? Why can't they just stick to the T1 and T2 designs? That's one of the things I hated most about 3, was that it changed how the tanks and things looked.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Jack_Of_Spades45

    by Kevin Bosch

    People aren't concerned with the PG-13 the way they were with Die Hard 4 because that had the potential of being good. Anything called "Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins" directed by an adult who named himself "McG" has no chance of being good even if it's rated NC-31.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Doc--

    by Jack_Of_Spades45

    "Anything called "Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins" directed by an adult who named himself "McG" has no chance of being good even if it's rated NC-31." Good point.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    I want the T2 ride on DVD

    by Fuck The Napkin

    I just pretend that the T2 Universal Studios ride was the third and final Terminator movie, and T3 is like one of those shit "what if?" episodes you get on shows like Buffy when they've been running for too long. These McG movies are going to be like Angel. I never watched Buffy or Angel though, so I don't even know if this analogy works.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    McDick

    by MasterBateman

    That's what you'll all be sucking when this awesome movie comes out.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Jack_Of_Spades45

    by darth rod

    Why? cuz alot have jump ship of the Terminator franchise, it's been more than 15 years of going downhill for the franchise, PG-13 it's the kiss of death for old time fans, they are going for a new teen audience, softening it for the emo-sensitive crowd, good luck.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Anton Yelchin as Kyle Reese???????

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Fuck off.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Fuck The Napkin

    by Kevin Bosch

    I agree. T2:3D is the third installment of the Terminator franchise for me too. Written and Directed by James Cameron, starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, Linda Hamilton, Edward Furlong and even Robert Patrick. Too bad more people aren't exposed or aware of it. But your analogy doesn't work, because Buffy is awesome, and Angel, in some ways, was even better.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    We Are Marshall

    by Fry Jackson

    His last movie was We are Marshall how come I never hear the haters of him mentioning this. Do you forget this was his last movie not Charlies Angel.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Good luck to McG

    by SoWasRed2012

    Seriously, I mean that. He's got the odds stacked against him, but it sounds as if he's got the right attitude. This blog is a good move I feel.

  • May 24, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • May 24, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    I just hope...

    by vettebro

    It's not going to be as bad as that piece of shit Indy 4 movie!!!

  • May 24, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = PG-13 TERMINATOR

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    I MEAN, COME ON YOU WUSSIES!!!!!!!!!

  • May 24, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    PG-13...How does anyone know?

    by jedihillis

    How does anyone know that this movie is going to be PG13? Don't you have to have a film to view in order for it to get that rating? Or is it just that the director said he was shooting for a pg-13 rating?

  • May 24, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Charlies Angels director and Catwoman writers

    by robzass

    Seems like a winner.

  • May 24, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Darth

    by Jack_Of_Spades45

    Like you said they want to reach a younger audience to make more money, and also, there's "The Sarah Connor Cronicles." That show is introducing a whole new generation of kids to the "Terminator" franchise, so they figure why not milk it and give it a rating so everybody can pay money to see it. And as another poster brought up: Anton Yelchin. This movie's destined to suck. It just gets so annoying that every oldschool action movie sequel is going from R to PG-13 nowadays. Pretty soon, the R rating will pretty much be extinct except for some of the low-budget, artsy-fartsy movies that I've never really cared much for.

  • May 24, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    This sounds like a bad joke!

    by FILMFUNK

    I've spent time with my dad but it didn't make me any good at carpentry! <P>''The actors have been watching the previous movies'' so it will be amazing!?<P>It's going to be a PG McG with triple cheddar and a side order of crap!

  • May 24, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    It should be OK, but will lack balls

    by performingmonkey

    Despite there being a harder cut of T3 in there somewhere, and the ending was cool, it still lacked the sheer balls that Cameron injected into the first two movies. That's because Cameron wasn't there to tell the studio to fuck off and allow them to make a credible flick instead of a kiddified, lobotomized tame effort that doesn't upset parents taking their kids to see it. The future war, even the beginning of it (which this movie obviously covers) should be fucking BRUTAL!! We're talking WAR here, and not a pussified war, we're talking Skynet setting out to exterminate the human fucking race. HKs, Terminators stopping at nothing, just like the original movie implied. Survivors of Judgement Day should be beating the shit out of each other, killing, robbing, generally fucking things up like what would really happen in that situation. PG-13 can't show those things. PG-13 can't do justice to the future war concept. Even if the script is great McG WON'T be shooting it in the balls-out way that would make this the fantastic movie we all want. I mean, Spielberg couldn't even give Indy 4 the balls it needed, well in comparison to the original trilogy at least.

  • May 24, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    PG-13 isnt that big a deal

    by Bouncy X

    i mean look at the last two movies, i have no clue why they were even rated R.

  • May 24, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    CGI or Models? Anyone else sick of bad CGI?

    by Grinning White Skull

    There was no CGI when Cameron did scenes of the future in TERMINATOR like shown in that pre-production art on the new website. And the wonder of that first TERMINATOR film was how amazing the model work was. It still sets a bar for using model work today along with BLADE RUNNER only TERMINATOR was made for about 8 million dollars at the time verses BR's major budget. There is a gravity to things. A reality. The air and light had a texture to it I've never seen in CGI. Why? Because Cameron was working with model creators then that were the best and he knew the tech, too. They pushed each other and were excited to take that kind of special effects to a new level. So, is this film going to be CGI heavy and lose that reality and grit that McG claims to be going after? If this film depends on CGI for what was done so well before with models, they'll fail to create the "reality" of the first two films (that used the CGI basically for the T2 stuff). When I start hearing about enthusiasm akin to the work that went into the original ground-breaking film, then I'll get excited. So far this artwork ain't doing it.

  • May 24, 2008, 7:56 p.m. CST

    McG McSucks!!

    by rhine1784

    Anyone who calls themselves something like "McG" or "Madonna" or "Cher" or "Al Gore" is obviously a egotistical and this is going to follow in the footsteps of Speedracer, flop city. Go direct a Tide commercial McG!

  • May 24, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    SO THIS MEANS IN THE FUTURE-- ART WILL SUCK.

    by alice 13

    who did that painting- rob liefeld?

  • May 24, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    You will never see that still in grace

    by quintana007

    I smell action like Charlies Angels. Speeded up stop slow motions bombarded by a crappy soundtrack. I hope there is an extra hell for McG, Boll, Bay, Anderson. Don‘t wanna spend eternity with them.

  • May 24, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Too much green in that picture.

    by JKrow21

    I always envisioned the post-apocolyptic future presented in the films without all the plants and nature about.

  • May 24, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Wow, they are so very out of touch.

    by fractureJonze

    "Don't worry guys! This is gonna be true to ALL THREE of the earlier movies." Give me a frickin break. Everyone dislikes T3, and it doesn't go with the other two at all. This just shows how much of a disconnected shitfest this is gonna be.

  • May 24, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    PLANTS!

    by zom-bot.com

    ...are hardy motherfuckers. i kinda like the mossy, weedy autumn vibe in that picture.even after nukes, plants would start to come back a bit. is it a little too close to I Am Legend? yeah, a bit, and it goes against the dusty rubble look set up in T1-T3. just concept art though, doesn't mean it's set in stone. <P> i do think that whole blog was step 1 of damage control though. and who gives a shit if the kid watched T3, there was no kyle reese in it, if i recall.

  • May 24, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Damage control...

    by fractureJonze

    ...is damn right.

  • May 24, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Kids....

    by BizarroJerry

    What's with all these youngsters playing Reese? His "Sarah Connor Chronicles" alter ego looked too young, too. Biehn musta at least been 30 in T1.<p>By the way, will this somehow tie-in to the TV show in some way?

  • May 24, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    I respect MCMLXVII

    by Crow3711

    The first time I saw your post, I just thought it was funny, and out of place. However, you're really committed to this thing. I hate Michael Bay, a lot, don't get me wrong, but I don't think I'd post the same thing in every single talk back. No one has been giving you any props for this, but I will. I get what you're doing. Hasn't anyone else noticed his post on every single story? You're dedication inspires me, keep it up. Damn You, Michael Bay. Damn You To Hell.

  • May 24, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    As for this story,.

    by Crow3711

    If the douche isn't lying about talking to all those people, between that and Bale's faith in him, it gives me a decent feeling. If it's just PR Bullshit, it makes me sick. And to answer everyones question, NO THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES. It's been reported like 1000 times, but every talk back there are a bunch of people who don't get it. Just like SCC ignored T3, Salvation will ignore SCC. It's the only way really, so stop being retards.

  • May 24, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    I'm feeling a bit more optimistic about this

    by blindambition238

    That's not to say I'm jumping for joy about this, but I actually think there's more goodness than suckage going into the production of this thing as is. It's good to hear that Jonah Nolan and Paul Haggis had passes at the script (before you start, I think he's 'decent' when he's just tweaking ala Casino Royale or Letters from I.J. and not actually in charge of the entire thing ala Million Dollar Baby, Crash, or Valley of Elah). Plus the casting isn't too bad either and I'm going to trust that Bale's apparent enthusiasm is motivated by a good script and not a truckload of cash. The deciding factor will be McG, and based on his previous work that I'm familar with, it's a 50/50 chance of being a fun but hallow action movie, or an utter disaster.

  • May 24, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Oh shit, I just remembered its going to be PG-13

    by blindambition238

    Make those odds I listed 40-60 against.

  • May 24, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Hmmm Kyle...

    by SunTzu77

    I just have an extremely hard time picturing Anton Yelchin as Kyle Reese. Someone like...David Wenham...Cillian Murphy, perhaps? Dunno...it's too late now.

  • i'm not buying any of this shit from a director like THIS

  • May 24, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    They've only just begun to screw up this movie.

    by kabong

    Yeah, what's with the head on the right butt of the HK? <p> The director's contract with the producer often states the requirement of delivering a final cut that gets the target rating. <p> Only movies that are not expected to get a mass audience will be allowed to have an R rating. Unfortunately for us that means big budget sci-fi action will never hit what we want to see hit.

  • May 24, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    I still have faith in this movie despite the plants...

    by JKrow21

    Hopefully Bale comes through. All I ask is that they shoot the "future" with that creepy blue lighting used in the original three. That's the look and tone I've been waiting to see for all these years now. About time they make movies about these wars, I just hope they don't fuck it up. Terminator 3, for all its weaknesses, was still an entertaining film. The nuclear-holocaust ending was perfect and really helped make the movie worthwhile.

  • May 24, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    I didn't realize they were that far along

    by CherryValance

    That image reminded me of I AM LEGEND. *shudders* However, this doesn't give me bad vibes yet.

  • May 24, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    McGruber

    by fiester

    That's what I'm calling him. Unless he can rap he shouldn't go around calling himself McG. Douchebag.

  • May 24, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Everyone calm the frak down

    by Jodet

    I swear to Cthulu I do not know how you people can get so whomped up on a movie a year away. Maybe it will be great, maybe it will suck, or be somewhere in between. WE HAVE NO REAL IDEA. Anyone who says they can see this future is full of it.

  • May 24, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    I can see the future.

    by fractureJonze

    Anyways, ppl need to stop knocking on the art. Its not that bad a drawing. They just shoulda had a little more angle jitter in the photoshop brush they used for the plants. Is all I'm sayin.

  • May 24, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    It's just not terribly inspired

    by Gozu

    I mean, what does that tell us about the film? We've seen HKs before and it's a post-apocalyptic wasteland. It doesn't really set the mood and kind of looks like it's out of "Battlefield Earth."

  • May 24, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Yeah, the color is off.

    by fractureJonze

    When I think about the future war, I think about ash covering everything, and the scenes are all drab blue or black. The face on the HK throws me off, and reminds me of that weird silver design that the one in 3 had. Why they changed it for that movie, I'll never know.

  • May 24, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    Well, its not off, it just doesnt fit...

    by fractureJonze

    what we've seen before.

  • May 24, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Why bother...

    by hiperaktiv

    T3 fucking sucked ass. Why bother continuing on from that fucking abortion...let it fade...as far as im concerned it ended with T2.

  • May 24, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    That pic suddenly makes me wish

    by seppukudkurosawa

    That someone would adapt the JG Ballard novel, The Drowned World.

  • May 24, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Grinning White Skull, I agree TOTALLY about models...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I still don't understand why CGI is perceived as the way to go versus still using conventional models (in certain circumstances) considering how extremely erratic (and crappy) CGI can be depending on "who" is delivering the goods. Hell, even when it IS a supposed top tier vendor that is hired to do the CGI work...and they subsequently grind it out due to various behind the scenes reasons...bad CGI will still pull you out of a movie like nothing else.<p>I saw an anecdote recently where Speilberg apparently had mentioned that he was tempted to put some old style matte paintings into the new INDY film to give it "that 80s feel." And when I read that I said to myself, "That's such a load of horseshit. Putting a top flight matte painting into a film does NOT make it look "old" -- it simply sells the shot. For crying out loud, to this day you can find lots of examples all through Film history of matte paintings (or composited model shots) where the average moviegoer -- even watching the movie today -- would have no idea that it IS actually a painting that they're looking at.<p>So I agree with you, Skull. Old school things like great model work comes with its own "weight", light bounces off them naturally and thus they photograph right. There is just too much of a reliance on CGI these days when other tools might accomplish the same trick cheaper AND even far, far better. Then again, this is what you get when more and more films start being directed by fresh out of film school newbies (because a studio thinks their youthfulness makes them "hip" and in touch with audiences), where their sense of film history is probably limited to what they saw the last 4 years as they went to school...

  • May 24, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    I hate you McG

    by listo65

    I hate you

  • May 24, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Terminator Salvation

    by eggart

    I don't expect this second third-party sequel to a twenty-four-year-old low-budget science-fiction action movie to be very good.

  • May 24, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Sorry, not interested.

    by Billy The Fish

    On past evidence, this man simply cannot be trusted to put a movie together.I see no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt once more, simply to have him kick us in the teeth with his tired old blend of nonsensical plotting and flash-cuts.<p>The Fish is out.

  • May 25, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST

    what???

    by listo65

    Is McG mental??? I mean he references all 3 terminator movies?? by my count there have only been two... Take McG off this thing!!!!!

  • May 25, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    ...and since it's a PG rating...

    by Billy The Fish

    and therefore exists solely to shift the inevitable range of toys, why not save a shit-load of money, stop wasting everybody's time, and go with a Saturday morning cartoon series instead?

  • May 25, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape...

    by Billy The Fish

    A valid point, sir, and well argued.

  • May 25, 2008, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Ahem.....

    by otm shank

    "like you guys, i've been a long time fan of the series and I understand....yadda,yadda,yadda". Sure, and Paul W.S. Anderson and the brothers Strausse were BIG fans of the Alien and Predator films too. How did that work out?

  • May 25, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    sorry

    by redkamel

    McG, your previous work was really lame and aimed at stupid teens. Your resume that I am aware of is weak. Please break your habits, use Christian Bale, screw PG13 and make the terminator everyone wants. this is the same BS we hear for every movie fans love and its always wrong, except for Iron Man, LOTR and Batman Begins. and what is up with that HK? It looks like the Joker-plane with that dumb grinning face. Just rent T1 and T2 McG. Then give us the same amount of action and murderous robots.

  • May 25, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    PS

    by redkamel

    PS the future cannot "begin". It is a relative term. Also Terminator salvation is ambiguous. Salvation of the terminators? salvation by terminators? Just go with Terminator 4.

  • May 25, 2008, 1:20 a.m. CST

    I feel better

    by Mace Tofu

    This info is way better than the last T4 talk back. I hope they rip-off some ideas from the T2-3D ride and have an army of those Big "T-1 millions" running around. That would be cool.

  • May 25, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Jonah Nolan?

    by Bass Ackwards

    When did that happen? I wonder if Bale talked him into it, seeing he had scripting duties on TDK and The Prestige.

  • May 25, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST

    On CGI and models.

    by veebeeyes

    I think people bitch way too much. Yeah, the CGI in the moie is probably gonna look like CGI. And if you go back and watch them today, the models in Terminator or Aliens or The Two Towers look like little fake models. Big fucking deal. I mean, really. And all that 'liquid metal" shit from Terminator 2 looks like shit. No one bitches about those movies though, because those movies were good. But yeah, it's probably gonna look fake, just like King Kong looked fake back in 1935 or whenever. This shit is NEVER gonna look 100% real, so stop with all the shit like, "boo hoo, The Hulk looks like crap because his hair doesn't blow in the wind the right way! I wish they'd just painted some big dumb motherfucker green! That'd be more realistic, cuz there no CGI!" What-the-fuck-ever. It's not gonna look THAT fucking bad, so fucking quit your fucking bitching. Did Terminator REALLY look real when its metal endoskeleton was chasing down Sarah Connor? Really people, get real here.

  • May 25, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    PG13 not an issue

    by theplant

    However, using the same writers as T3 is. I trust McG, not the writers. These guys should be banned for life of writing any Hollywood flick, I mean, Catwoman and T3, what a great resume !

  • May 25, 2008, 2:17 a.m. CST

    what is this emgiggenable word?

    by FuryofthefilmFan

    I never heard of it.

  • May 25, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Damn you IndustryKiller

    by IndustryKillers Bain

    Damn you IndustryKiller

  • May 25, 2008, 3:23 a.m. CST

    It's still a PG-13 fuckfest and still fucking McG!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    So, am I supposed to be happy now just because that fucker (or his fucking assistant) posted a few lines and a pic? FUCK THAT! This project is still fucked and no marketing blah-blah can change that.

  • May 25, 2008, 3:40 a.m. CST

    They've screwed up already!

    by xX_BlackThorne_Xx

    On the website under the photo is the description: "Preliminary concept art for post-judgment day Los Angeles."... but isn't the WAR itself called Judgment Day?? ... Sarah's words in T2: "The survivors of the nuclear fire called the war Judgment Day"..

  • May 25, 2008, 3:43 a.m. CST

    The concept art looks good

    by SUPERJIM

    I hope the movie focuses on that style, where human civilisation can still be recognised. Other future Scifi film usually give us a world that is devoid of any signs that it was actually this place previously. I know the realisation is often a huge distance from the concept, but still, it could look good.

  • May 25, 2008, 4:39 a.m. CST

    I hope they at least get the music right.

    by fractureJonze

    They need to get Brad Fiedel in there to do it up right, and put in some brooding old school synth stuff in there. Right now I'm picturing them using something similar to what was in Iron Man, with a score that has a freakin drummer and a low brow heavy metal guitar in it. Ugh.

  • May 25, 2008, 5:14 a.m. CST

    And is that a fucking face on the HunterKiller?!?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    WHAT THE FUCK? Are you fucking kidding me?<p>So we got McG, PG-13, Face on HK, a fucking KISS poster, a wrong colour palette. The future is blue and not green, you asshats! Plus, there aren't no fucking plants! If you keep rewatching the old flicks, like you say you do, watch closely forfuckssake!<p>My Gawd, I can't believe how fucked up this movie already is - prior to shooting!<p>Face on HK = Flames on Optimus. I keep repeating that from now on!

  • May 25, 2008, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Face on HK = Flames on Optimus!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    There. I did it. First time. And definitely not the last.

  • May 25, 2008, 5:22 a.m. CST

    For A Big Dumb Ape...

    by Grinning White Skull

    ...your thoughts were like a cinematic Einstein. Veebeeyes, those models in the original TERMINATOR that we spoke of ...ARE real. 100%! And they weren't that little nor as fake looking as CGI. Your aesthetics are just less discriminating than ours and that's okay. You just don't appreciate the details that Big Dumb Ape and I speak of and how it affects one's viewing of a film. But the good news is there seems to be a backlash towards CGI brewing in Hollywood and an interest in pursuing model work again. Personally I think the key is using CGI to enhance model work along with the seamless integrating of it into a film. A lot like the model work which was used in BATMAN BEGINS (and I believe is the reason we are seeing an interest in model work and effects again).

  • May 25, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Fuck McG, he does what he's told

    by ingloriousjedi

    and dosnt fight for a better film. He makes films for the paycheck. PG13.

  • May 25, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST

    The reason why he refers to T3

    by moviemaniac-7

    We all know that T3 wasn't as good as the first and second, and we all know that the fourth won't be that good, so he sets the standard lower. He - and I with him - hopes that this one, Salvation, will be better than T3, but he knows that can never better T1 or 2. But the fact that Jonathan Nolan is in there somewhere polishing up the script makes my kind of happy. And I agree with xx_Blackthorne_xx about McG... His name sounds like a fucking McDonald's sandwich - or an AICN TB nickname... The stench of Charlie's Angels will be around this one, but still I hope (I really do) that this one will be better than most people fear.

  • May 25, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Do you guys

    by optimus122

    even like movies? I am stoked about this..Bale will deliver and both Yelchin and Sam W are good actors. I am not worried about McG screwing this up , I think it will blow away T3 even without Arnie who lets face it has helped turn the killer cyborg from T1 into Hymie from Get Smart.You just know Arnie wanted to show his comic chops during discussions with Cameron and Mostow. The Terminator was at its most fierce when Arnie didn't care about being a well rounded actor. No emotion was what that character called for.

  • May 25, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Come on, T2:3D was lame

    by I Dunno

    I mean as a theme park attraction it was cool and the 3D was good but the dialog was horrible. All they did was repeat lines from T2. It wasn't movie-worthy. <p>I watched T3 the other night and it wasn't as bad as I remember. If you can get past the fact that they shit all over Cameron's T2 and that he movie was basically one big chase scene, it wasn't bad. What other movie could get away with a girl getting thrown around through walls and beaten with fire extinguishers? Not that I'm a mysogynist but you have to admit that it was different.</p><p>As for this one, PG sequels to R rated movies always suck. Always. And a director who sounds like he's a rapper or DJ doesn't scream "serious filmmaker".</p>

  • May 25, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    No Matter What, It Will Be Better Than T2: OLD YELLER

    by LaserPants

    Lord of the Rings was also Pg-13 and that managed to be good, exciting, cool, and appropriately scary and mean where necessary. This could be very cool, actually. And, most importantly, we know it can't be worse then the nadir of the Terminator saga -- T2: WE WUV WOO ROBODADDY!<br><br> And, just to get it straight:<br><br> T1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> T2<br><br> T3 >>>>>>>>>>>>> T2 <br><br>

  • May 25, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Why don't you just fuck the hell off, Laser Pants,

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    you fucking wanker kid! Repeating that T2 is oh-so-bad doesn't make your infantile attempt to badmouth one of the greatest sequels in movie history any better. And stating that T2 is inferior to T3 doesn't make you believable at all.<p>And your moronic comment on LOTR being PG-13 shows that you don't know what this is about: T4 is meant to be a SCI-FI WAR MOVIE. About death, destruction and mankinds struggle to survive. It's ridiculous to shoot such a pic as a kiddie compatible PG-13 pc borefest.

  • May 25, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Wheres that blue atmosphere we all remember?

    by Grums

    A quick photoshop helps bring the Terminator vibe back into that image. http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5515/lt4fixlz4.jpg Now someone just needs to cover the ground in skulls and were getting somewhere.

  • May 25, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Terminator Salivation

    by palewook

    McG = fails.

  • May 25, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    fractureJonze

    by Captain Mal

    This may surprise you, but you don't speak for the entire film community. I happen to think T3 was a far better sequel than T2 (though it lacked Cameron's singular cinematic acumen), and definitely a worthy entry in the series. In fact, I was quite disappointed when I learned that Danes and Stahl wouldn't be back for the next installment.

  • May 25, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I Dunno

    by Captain Mal

    Both of the first two movies, you may recall, were also nothing more than extended chase scenes. With that aspect in particular, the third movie was true to the spirit of the series.<P> Also, I keep hearing people talk about how T3 "shit all over T2," but I haven't seen anyone specify how. Can you help a brother out?

  • May 25, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    The argument that 'R' Rated keeps the kids away

    by BiggusDickus

    ...is just bollocks. Any director/producer/studio who thinks that an 'R' is the kiss of death to a multiplex has obviously never been in one. <p>There is no policing whatsoever of the age restrictions here in the UK - Odeon, Cineworld, Showcase...nobody gives a rat's arse about your age so long as you pay your wedge and the spotty oik at the doorway can rip your stub in two. This is why the majority of movies I've been to in the last few years have been ruined by hordes of little wankers talking loudly and incessantly throughout the whole film. <P> Rate the fucking things whatever you like, movie people. Add as much filth, gore and gratuity as you can fit in, it won't make a blind bit of difference to the audience demographic...

  • May 25, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Blue Atmosphere

    by Grums

    Removed the little pink flowers as well. http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/959/lt4fix3im7.jpg

  • May 25, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    They should scrap the PG-13 rating

    by performingmonkey

    It should go from PG to R. It's all Lucas's fault! Give us a Terminator movie aimed at ADULTS you fuckers!

  • May 25, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    T3 is no longer canon. We can forget about that shit now

    by HarryBlackPotter

    The SCC tv show did one good thing and that's reboot the franchise just a tad which rendered the time-line of T moot.

  • May 25, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Motoko, Over-Identify With Your Entertainment Much?

    by LaserPants

    Wow, seriously, man, are you okay? Do you have money invested in T2 or something? I mean, really, like, it seems like you like it too much. Like you don't realize that its a separate entity from you. Are you schizophrenic? Bipolar? Or just sad? <br><br>So, hows the transformation into a female anime character coming along? I bet the man boobs you no doubt have are a serviceable substitute for those of an actual human female who isn't your mother or a prostitute. <br><br> Oh, and T2 does suck. Hard. I still remember my girlfriend and I laughing our asses off in the theatre at how bad it was, how it completely ruined the coolness of T1. Later on, whilst in Japan, and with a new girlfriend, I saw T3 and thought it was great. It was funny on purpose rather than unintentionally hilarious, featured the best action set-pieces of the series, and managed to have a darker ending more in line with the tone of the original film, which, lets face it, is the only one worth the status of classic. I love T1, like T3, and hate T2: OLD YELLER -or- T2: WE WUV WOO ROBODADDY!

  • May 25, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Captain Mal

    by fractureJonze

    <p>You're right. Instead of saying "Everyone dislikes T3." I should have said, "Everyone except Captain Mal dislikes T3." Or even better, "Most people I know dislike T3."</p> <p>About T3, I just didn't like all the goofy jokes (star shaped sunglasses, etc). Also, the female Terminator was just the most predictable thing they could have done. People talked about it like that was the last option they haven't done yet. There were so many possibilities. Maybe they could have had a T1000 that was the good guy this time. Maybe he looked like Kyle Reese for some reason. Maybe they could have had an army of evil Arnies, with one good one mixed in there. Who knows. T3 just overall felt like too little too late, for me. Plus they changed the HK designs. And they changed John Connor(not just the actor, they changed him from a resistance fighter to some voice on a radio at the end). And they changed Skynet into a computer virus. It just didn't fit with the other two for me, that's all. Peace! :D</p>

  • May 25, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    ...But which time-line will T4 adhere to, the tv show or T3?

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Also, will Kate Brewster show up in the tv show, if so she'll be a few years older than John, but he's still supposed to marry her? If T4 simply follows the events of T3, then McG needs a slap 'cos that movie sucked ass.

  • May 25, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I guess I'm repeating myself, LaserPants

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    but I thought I already explained about that female anime character thingie. In extenso. So I won't get into that again.<p>I'm pleased to hear that you've bought yourself a new "girlfriend". Congrats! But please don't get into detail about that one.<p>The star shaped glasses joke, for example, may've been funny on purpose. But it was one of many annoying things in T3. That's why I didn't like it as much as I love T2. T2 simply was a genius movie experience back then (at least in a theatre packed with teenage Terminator fans like us) and I've rewatched it >50 times since then. And I can't say that it gets old, stale or something like that. That may sound kinda stupid to an asshat like you but I simply love that flick! Thanks for listening.

  • May 25, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    by redkamel

    anyone who thought T3 was better T2 obviouslt doesnt really like the Terminator? oh really you thought it was funny when Arnie got his clothes from a MALE STRIP CLUB? that was just degrading. Danes and the guy were shit actors, the T-x was freaking retarded and had no cool weapons or skills...they should have made a terminator that could split into three or turn invisible or something. The chick wasnt even believable...an emotionless man looks like a killer or a psycho, an emotionless woman just looks like shes a huge bitch. And the robo-daddy..that was like only 5 minutes and was a reflection on the difference between man and machine you fool. I bet you think Batman Forever was the best one too cause it was so "funny".

  • May 25, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    watching the movies

    by redkamel

    these guys probably just have it play in the background while they are surfing the internet.

  • May 25, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    laserpants

    by redkamel

    damn I made a shit ton of errors in that TB. ok heres corrections for laserpants and so it makes some damn sense. anyone who thought T3 was better T2 obviously doesnt really like the Terminator. Oh, really you thought it was funny when Arnie got his clothes from a MALE STRIP CLUB? That was just degrading. Danes and the guy were shit actors, the T-x was freaking retarded and had no cool weapons or skills...they should have made a terminator that could split into three or turn invisible or something. The chick wasnt even believable...an emotionless man looks like a killer or a psycho, an emotionless woman just looks like shes a huge bitch. And the robo-daddy was only 5 minutes and was a reflection on the difference between man and machine you fool. I bet you think Batman Forever was the best one too because it was so "funny".

  • May 25, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Yes, I Understand Motoko

    by LaserPants

    You want to transform into a female anime character. Why? Because that is the only way you will ever be able to feel a female human being's body without being related to her, or paying for it. So you're sort of like Buffalo Bill then? Buffalo Bill with a obsession with T2: WE WUV WOO ROBODADDY! that borders on the manic, if not full blown schizoid obsessive compulsive. <br><br> Its cool though, like my current girlfriend likes to say, "life is meaningless without obsession."

  • May 25, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    The T-X WAS Retarded... RETARDLY AWESOME That Is!

    by LaserPants

    I mean, resizable roboboobs?! How awesome is that? And that hardcore bathroom fight scene betwist DER AHHHRNULD and the TX kicks the living shit out of any of the fight scenes in T2. (Although, I did like in T2 when DER AHHHHHRNULD punches through EARLY 90s CGI MAN's head. That was kinda neat.) <br><br>Boy, they got lucky that they were able to hijack that giant truck of liquid nitrogen! What are the odds? Hahahaha! Yeah, cause theres ALWAYS giant trucks of liquid nitrogen driving around. Hey, also, how come the EARLY 90s CGI MAN bothers torturing BUTCH LESBO MOM into calling for her son when he can mimic her voice and body? A trick he pulls not more than 30 seconds later? D-U-M-B. <br><br> Now, sure, T3 had all kinds of dumb shit in it too, but it was GLORIOUSLY dumb, and funny, and action packed. T2 was even stupider, but has this tone of unintentionally hilarious gravitas that makes the whole thing ridiculous. Its just a bad movie that was marketed well. I think people like it more of a sense the marketing which surrounded it rather than the actual movie which was terrible. I think Cameron made two great movies -- Terminator and Aliens -- the rest of this work has been mediocre-to-awful.

  • May 25, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Screw McG

    by Aethyrr

    We need a sniper--and we need him fast

  • May 25, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    You bunch of wankers.

    by Playkins

    Production's barely begun and you're complaining already. Why don't you at least wait until you see some footage?!?

  • May 25, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I think we can all agree though...

    by fractureJonze

    ...that Christian Bale is the perfect casting for John Connor in the future war.

  • May 25, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    McG can prove himself to me

    by antonphd

    He hasn't made anything that worrys me about having him direct this film. Charlie's Angels films were live action cartoons... the entire idea of a Charlie's Angels film done straight would have been impossible. I credit him with finding a way to make the movie work for audiences. I see potential in McG. Hell, what had James Cameron done before Terminator? What? Piranna 2. Granted he did a short before that, but, he proved himself with Terminator. Many many other directors have done the same. McG hasn't done anything that was shit... sorry, but as nuts as the Angels movies were... they were well made. The energy he put into those films gives me enough reason to give him a chance. A chance... something none of you will ever have at making a Terminator film, but go ahead, keep shitting on someone who clearly loves films when he gets his chance to pour his passion into a dream project.

  • May 25, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Christian Bale

    by antonphd

    perfect casting. if McG was going to fuck this up...he sure started out making the right decisions. Jonathan Nolan for writer? what exactly has he done wrong so far? Anton Yelchin... see, I can imagine what he's doing with Anton...hehe...maybe cause I paid attention to Anton since he shares my name... but I think that this kid has something very special about him that is betrayed a bit by his boyish appearance. and if this is a trilogy and it spans a time that Reese is a young man... changing from wide eyed Anton to what he becomes in the first film... McG is really making amazing choices here.

  • May 25, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Models all the way!!!

    by alienindisguise

    I think they work much better in sci fi than in any other genre. I mean the opening of t2 rocked so damn hard why? Because it was a REAL ENDOSKELETON SMASHING A REAL SKULL!!! CGI can not yet give objects the nuances they need to be absolutely photorealistic.

  • May 25, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Bale Will Be Good In This

    by LaserPants

    All busting on T2 aside, I really do think that this could be pretty cool if done right. I mean, okay, this McG might suck, but he's not writing the thing. If he manages to put together a workmanlike thing, but with a cool, exciting story, it will work. It doesn't have to be genius, it just has to be cool, dark, exciting, scary and have a decent action / war movie plot. And if it really is going to be a trilogy (which I think is a bad idea. Better to stick with one cool movie. Like, maybe the events leading up to Reese going back in time. Although Michael Biehn is too old to reprise the role.) I think it could be cool to see humanity slowly come back and retake the planet, re-establish themselves, save the world, etc. etc. I think the danger is going to be if it starts getting up its own ass like what happened with the Matrix sequels; cool, simple premise that got like a bad, pretentious undergrad comparative religion / philosophy paper written between deep tokes of a bong.

  • May 25, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    R Is Preferable, But PG-13 Isn't A Dealbreaker

    by LaserPants

    Like I said, the LOTR movies managed to be pretty awesome and violent under the PG-13 banner. I mean, of course, a HARD-R T4 would be the ultimate kablammo of wow, but even a Pg-13 flick can work.

  • May 25, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    TERMINATOR GOIN' NANNERS!

    by LaserPants

    THEE OOOOOOOOOOOZI NEIN MILLIMETAH!!! GED DOO DAH CHAPPAH!!! DOO EEED NOOOWWW!!!!

  • May 25, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    This is better than Terminator 4:

    by pleasebanme

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=E1xjw9Kzb5o

  • May 25, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Terminator vs. Hello Kitty

    by LaserPants

    Man, I'd see that. He would FUCK HER SHIT UP!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!

  • May 25, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Terminator vs. Phyllis Diller

    by LaserPants

    FUCKIN' A!!! YEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!

  • May 25, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Isn't future in a way always beginning?

    by andrew coleman

    This movie is fucked. I can't really understand why Bale is in this. The PG-13 is everything it simply means the action will be stupid and the war scenes will be nothing like what people wanted. Fox literally doesn't give a shit they just want money ex. X3 and Live Free or Die Hard and AVP they care not for the fans just for their wallets. Don't see Fox films they used to be the best and now they are the worst!

  • May 25, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    TERMINATOR SALIVATION: TIME KEEPS ON SLIPPIN' SLIPPIN' SLIPPIN'

    by LaserPants

    INTO THE FUTURE! DOO DOO DOO DOO!

  • May 25, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    TERMINATOR VS. MORBIDLY OBESE COMIC FANS

    by LaserPants

    THE WINNER?! NOBODY!!!

  • May 25, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST

    TERMINATOR 5: THE FUTURE CONTINUES TO HAPPEN!

    by LaserPants

    INEXORABLY IT MARCHES ONWARDS!!!

  • May 25, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST

    TERMINATOR 6: THE FUTURE ENDS WITH A BANG N' WHIMPER!

    by LaserPants

    It was as if a billion fatbody's suddenly farted and burped up their seventh supersize meal of the day only to be silenced.

  • May 25, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Models, Cameron and Veebeeyes...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Veebeeyes, following up on what Grinning White Skull said to you, there's another reason WHY model work is making a bit of a comeback -- and it goes to the heart of WHY it was even created in the first place. That's because it not only LOOKS perfectly fine on-screen (when done right like any other technique, of course), but because it's actually COST EFFICIENT.<p>As I said before, things like model work (or matte paintings) may be "old school" filmmaking to some -- and in the age of computers they may even be techniques that are completely lost on film school students who sadly have less and less of a sense of filmmaking history -- but doesn't change the core fact that THEY DO WORK. Properly done model work or a matte painting is virtually indistinguishable from any CGI effect you can name. And they work because a model DOES have weight relative to it's surroundings -- gravity is a force of nature that NOTHING can escape and the human eye, from the day we're born, is used to seeing its effect on everything around us. Hell, even a properly scaled model plane hung on a simple string tips from side to side correctly BECAUSE of gravity and the weight distribution of the wings to the body.<p>But if you make that same plane as a wire frame in a computer and render it up, sure, it might look all right as a computer illustration, but unfortunately then you have CGI artists who will start putting it in motion in ways that are just not right. And as subtle as it might seem, as I said before, the human eye just picks up on that. The same is true with lighting on models and certainly on matte paintings, which are rendered by actuals ARTISTS who have trained themselves in proper color balance, but even more important a true artist has trained his eye on the use of light and "how" it actually shines or reflects on something.<p>In fact, speaking of models and cost efficiency, I thought I'd share with you, Veebeeyes, one of my all-time favorite production stories. And this is a story that ANY aspiring filmmaker should file away as something to think about the next time they find themselves wondering "how" you are going to pull something off...<p>You know, hard as this might be for some to understand -- given your age and depending on whether or not you were around on May 25, 1977 (31 years ago today) to actually experience STAR WARS as it premiered in the theaters -- but back in the day when Fox made STAR WARS it was considered a HUGE gamble at the studio because of its whopping cost of...yes, wait for it...$9.5 million dollars. In an age when people are used to genre films costing $150-200 million (or more), it's amazing to think that there was a time when a studio thought gambling a mere $9 million on STAR WARS was a gigantic risk. Such a risk that executives like ALan Ladd, jr. had his job on the line for even greenlighting the thing.<p>And even though Fox obviously made out like a bandit on STAR WARS, the studio still considered Ridley Scott's ALIEN a risk, too, because that as going to cost them $11 million -- which to their mindset was tossing $2.5 million MORE at a funny little sci-fi flick.<p>So what does this have to do with models and cost efficiency? Why are smart filmmakers starting to RE-realize the value of models today? Well, I'll tell you...<p>When it came time for Fox to likewise make ALIENS (and keeping those budget numbers that I just mentioned in mind) Cameron turned in the script and it was immediately turned over for budget analysis. In turn, that caused some accounting Poindexter to come running into the Fox executive suite screaming, "Oh my God! We can't afford to make this! We ran the numbers and this is going to cost $50 million at least!"<p>So Fox called in Cameron and told him they would have to scrap his idea for a sequel and start all over again simply because what he wrote was too expensive to film. At which point Cameron said, "What are you talking about? How the hell did you come up with these numbers?" And the Accounting Poindexter explained, "Well, here's an example. You have this terra-forming base and a lunar buggy driving through a gate and pulling up outside. My God, we're going to have to build that exterior for the base...we're gonna have to pay to cover the ground to look like a foreign planet...and worst of all we're going to have to custom build a rover that actually drives about. And do you know what it cost us to make the FIRST Alien suit? Do you know what that ONE suit alone cost us, and now you want to have tons of them running around?! I know it's easy to write things like that, but do you have ANY IDEA WHAT THESE FUCKING THINGS ARE GOING TO COST?"<p>At which point Cameron looked back at him and said, "Yeah, I have an idea, but obviously you are an accountant and you know NOTHING about actual filmmaking. I'm NOT going to build an entire base and gate and rover and all that. It's a quick ESTABLISHING SHOT and I worked for Roger Corman, so here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to build a fucking table top MODEL. And for the buggy, I'll build a small model too. Hell, I don't even have to put a motor in it. From off camera, I simply have to fucking PUSH IT to make it start rolling and on camera that will be just fine. As for the Alien suits, I don't need FULL suits on everyone. They're going to be moving fast and furious, so all I really need are copies of the headpiece and the hands to put on the actors, then I'll just put them in BLACK BODY STOCKINGS and glue assorted fiberglass parts of the costume onto the stocking so they CAN move about, but in a 3 second shot on camera you'll only see "what" you THINK you saw.<p>The best part of the story? Not only did Cameron obviously talk Fox into the movie (since we've long since enjoyed it), but he struck a deal that his profit participation went up if he delivered the movie under their estimated $19 million budget...which he did. Cameron brought it in for 16. And thus he made a classic...thus he made a studio happy...thus he made more money for himself...and thus he proved an accountant shouldn't be making filmmaking calls and that model work DOES have a definite cost efficient place in movies -- yes, even in this age of CGI.<p>And keep this in mind, too. If model work is so "old school", then why the hell did Peter Jackson use it as well in the LOTR movies over CGI in spots? Same reasons. He knew it worked...it would look fine...it had weight and texture...and it saved on money.

  • May 25, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    FUCK ALL T3 HATERS

    by jah_kingdom

    Jonathan Mostow is a great, succinct, action director(Breakdown) andT3 stands up way better than T2. Re-watch T2 and tell me it's not boring and dated. Linda Hamilton's character is one dimensional as are the special effects. They were cool at the time but now that we've seen CGI effects a million times. And without the ahh factor of liquid steel it becomes obviously clear that T2 is thin on story or ideas. The ending of T3 was satisfying and offered up a great seque into another Terminator movie. Which sadly, will suck.

  • May 25, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    The effects of T2 actually look better

    by quintana007

    than t3. And Terminators with funky sunglasses are gay

  • May 25, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Alice 13: nice shot at Rob Liefeld!

    by darwinmayflower

    that dude almost sucks as bad as this movie will. and Michael Bay.

  • May 26, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    A new member joins LaserPants club of asshats...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    The effects on T2 are "one dimensional", jah_kingdom?<p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA<p>I'm starting to wonder what two annoying kiddies like you are doing on a site about movies...

  • May 26, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Aww, bloody hell!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    What happened there?

  • May 26, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    I just hope

    by redkamel

    The humans dont win. The dark endings were always the best parts.

  • May 26, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    I wasn't talking about costs.

    by veebeeyes

    If it's cheaper to use models, then by all means, use models. My point was that it DIDN'T "look fine". The Aliens dropship sequence looked like a model in front of a matte painting. The Ent assault on Isengard didn't look like Ents attacking Isengard, it looked like a toy playset with some little kid turning on the hose off-camera. And that;s a fairly recent example. I wasn't responding to a budgetary analysis, I was responding to simple bitching about how "CGI looks fake". If the effects work in the new Terminator films looks anything like the effects work in The Terminator, I guarantee that eery single one of you bastards and bastardettes is gonna be calling for murders. Shit that looks fake LOOKS FAKE. You don't watch a movie and say "well, this shit looks fake, but that's okay since they used models (instead of CGI) to make it look fake. Fuck that. It's not CGI that brings people out of the experience, it's FAKE-LOOKING-SHIT that pulls people out of the movie. CGI or practical effects, if it looks like shit then it looks like shit.

  • May 26, 2008, 1:51 a.m. CST

    It looks fake because of camera angles and not...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...because of CGI.

  • May 26, 2008, 2:21 a.m. CST

    veebeeyes, all I ask is no one runs around in

    by Mace Tofu

    STARSHIP TROOPERS uniforms or helmets. Please! I don't care if you paint it purple we can still tell it came from another movie.

  • May 26, 2008, 4:42 a.m. CST

    The only thing that really bugs me about the picture...

    by SunTzu77

    ...is all the vegetation. This installment is set in 2018...after the nuclear holocaust, correct? Or, is this installment taking place in South America?

  • May 26, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Damn right! That vegetation doesn't resemble anything

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    we know from the previous two (three) pictures. It would be a bad decision to keep all those plants in there. Makes no sense at all.

  • May 26, 2008, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Why bother?

    by The StarWolf

    They lost me at the third film when they decided to just toss the second onto the scrapheap and practically pretend it had never happened.

  • May 26, 2008, 6:31 a.m. CST

    T4 will rule !

    by theplant

    Arnold will cameo ! Kate Brewster and Elton John sunglasse can kiss my arse ! Terminator is the ultimate series, fuck Star Wars !

  • May 26, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    I've always though skulls were kind of silly.

    by David Cloverfield

    Ground covered in skulls. Not piles and piles of bodies/skeletons (which would be a stretch already) but skulls. It's cool in a 12 year old thinks it's cool way, but I'm pretty glad the world is not covered in skulls in the new trilogy.

  • May 26, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    I'm Starting To Wonder If You're A Pre-Op Tranny, Motoko

    by LaserPants

    Its the man boobs. And the desire to transform into a female anime character. Don't get me wrong, though, I think its great you are willing to -- like some strange, mad, morbidly obese virginal caterpillar living in his, er her, er it's mother's basement; writhing like an overstuffed sausage in fast food detritus, empty ice cream tubs, several gallons of soda, hundreds and hundreds of hoagie wrappers, pizza boxes, pimple cream, sticky magazines, skin flakes, and crusty underpants -- transform into something sleek, beautiful, and deadly -- the ivory skinned Motoko Kusanagi. All the while masturbating, whilst weeping, to the various unintentionally hilarious dialogue of T2: OLD YELLER ~or~ WE WUV WOO ROBODADDY! You should change your name to Sarah Connor instead. Because her performance in T2 is as hilariously awful as your borderline obsessive, schizophrenic love for this laughably awful piece of shit movie is profoundly disturbing.

  • May 26, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    GIVE US A MICHAEL GONDRY TERMINATOR!!!!!!!!!

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    Just get some actors to remake the original Terminator with cheap props and make it 20 mintues long in someone's backyard. Now THAT'S a sequel worth watching! The models can be made out of popsicle sticks and gravel. Just imagine the fun that would be!

  • May 26, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    Well, LaserPants, I for my part am starting to wonder...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...whether you're just a dumbass or already a fucknut. I can't really decide. I mean, you liked T3 more than T2 and you also enjoyed CHIMP-THE MOVIE quite a lot, afair. And you keep repeating this hilarious shit over and over again.<p>Plus, you're named "LaserPants" which in my book sounds like you need assistance or something...

  • May 26, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    They should remake Terminator...

    by fractureJonze

    ...in the same vein as that movie Happy Accidents. They'd have you guessing the whole movie as to whether Reese is from the future, or if he's a crazy druggy, and that big guy trying to kill them is just some drug dealer's enforcer.

  • May 26, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    THAT Is Your Best Comeback?!

    by LaserPants

    Geez, Motoko. I almost feel sorry for you now. Btw, what is a fucknut? Do you lick that whilst pretended to be Motoko Kusanagi? Btw, what did you think of GitS 2? I thought it was visually interesting, but the story was meh. More Oshii crawling up his own ass. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a brilliant writer / director, but sometimes he's a little obtuse in a bad way. Sort of like the Wackowskis. But, hey, managed to make my favorite Summer '08 movie thus far that, sadly, bombed due mostly to lack of interest on the part of mass audiences. I think it will eventually make its money back, but, yeah, it failed big time. Oh well.<br><br> But, you're right, I fuckin' loved SPEED RACER (aka CHIMP-THE MOVIE), and couldn't care less that you hated it. Especially because you never saw it. Shame too, because you might have actually liked it. Although, it's not quite as flat and bland as T2: WE WUV WOO ROBODADDY, plus its funny on purpose rather than unintentionally, so that might not get you to where you want to go with the whole brooding pre-op tranny thang you appear to enjoy.

  • May 26, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    by misnomer

    I liked T3 more than T2. Its a minority im happy to be in. T2 is severly broad and has a good terminator and a kid in it.

  • May 26, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    by misnomer

    ...T3 had the sardonic edge that was missing from T2. Thats my preference. T2 IS a better made movie- its better directed and has a consistent tone and story, but I enjoy T3 more. T3 does have its flaws of course. That said...all of the above is moot, because they should have left it at the first one which is by far the best. T4 is the only sequel that has a reason to be made- its exploring brand new territory and is a different kind of story. From the very outset, T4 has a much better chance to suceed than any of the other sequels, which is why im very curious to see how it turns out.

  • May 26, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    "WTF!! PG-13?"

    by Laza-rus

    It's not that big a deal, T3 could have had the same rating if it wasn't for the terminator babe punching a few of that cop's vertebrae through his rib cage, and I thought that film was great. I think some of us are forgetting that one of the greatest sci-fi franchises in geekdom is being resurrected. After watching the Aliens franchise be raped without lubricants after a promising return with the first AvP, I'm looking forward to what I hope will be a new milestone in the Terminator canon. If no one believes in this possible new trilogy, we're bound to get another fucking 'Fast and the Furious.' Let's all have some faith and give it a go, mmm'kay?

  • May 26, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    "...T3 had the sardonic edge that was missing from T2."

    by LaserPants

    Agreed. T2 is corny ass unintentionally hilarious dork-brooding gun-nut fetish film w/ some okay set-pieces. Nothing that left that much of an impression on me other than derision. T3 is simultaneously funnier (on purpose, mind you) and darker and the action set-pieces are completely insanely awesome. That whole giganto-truck smasho sequence with the punchings and crashings was fuckin' BAD ASS and fun / funny / campy / cartoony / impossible / ludicrous / awesome. Can't say theres much in T2 that thrills me in any way. Other than DER AHHHHHHHRNULD's vocalizations which are just funny no matter what he says. I'm not a Republican by any stretch of the imagination, but I would vote for him for President if he ran as an Independent. Why? Because how awesome would it be to have President Terminator! WATCH THE FUCK OUT!!! IDS DAH DERMINADOR COMMIN' AATCHOO!!! GED DOO DAH CHAHPPAH!!!! DOOOOO EEEEEED NOOOOOWW!!!! IM RIGHT OVAH HEAHAH!!!!! YEEEEEAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!

  • May 26, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Re. Timeline. Prettty sure this is a T3 sequel, not SCC

    by TallBoy66

    Although I did hear rumblings that the Sarah Connor show would lead into T4, but I think that was just some P.R. / producer / Fox exec droning on about the Terminator "brand" to advertisers and yadda yadda yadda. The Terminator timeline is pretty screwed since post-T2 (both films lead pretty logically into that point), so basically there's Terminator Universe A and Terminator Universe B (which could also mean that T1&T2 were Terminator Universe C and the storyline ended there, so Cameron fans can be happy about the cannon in that one). Anyway, Terminator 3 would be Universe A and Sarah Connor would be Universe B. Since Judgment Day hasn't happened on the Sarah Connor show, Salvation would be a T3 sequel. So its like the Mirror Universe from Star Trek or something. Anyway, all that aside, I hope the Sarah Connor show guys can finagle shooting on the Salvation sets for an episode or two, it would give the series some shocking continuity for once.

  • May 26, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Wings Hauser as John Connor

    by jah_kingdom

    Id see that movie. And I'd also like to say I totally agree with everything MISNOMER had to say about T3.

  • May 26, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    TERMINATOR ANIME

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    Do we get to have that at least? If McG fucks up T4, at least we'd have some anime to look to, right? I definitely enjoyed the ANIMATRIX over the actual MATRIX sequels. They were more fun.

  • May 26, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Matrix Reloaded Had Some Great Ideas That Went Nowhere

    by LaserPants

    I especially liked the idea of the virus programs, that whole Merovingian scene with the ghostly rastafarian vampire dudes. But even that kinda didn't go all the way. It got yr cock hard, but didn't let you come.<br><br> The Architect thing was pretty cool too, I thought, but then that kinda just fizzled. <br><br> Ultimately, the whole thing makes no sense because, what happens? Zion continues to live-on and re-build? Do they free all the humans? Or do they make a pact to live / work together? If Zion frees all the humans, the Matrix and the Machine City dies, so people will have to stay, right? Zion will have to except that not all humans can or want to be free, right? Likewise, the Machines have to be willing to let the people go to Zion if they so choose, right? Has this ever been explored in any of the fan minutae or spin-off thingees? Are there many spin-off thingees other than the Animatrix and some PS2 video games? <br><br>The Matrix is a supercool premise, with some awesome action set-pieces and sequences that, sadly, ultimately resulted in a big dumb unresolved whimper of an ending. But the ride was mostly fun.

  • May 26, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Captain Mal

    by I Dunno

    Well in T2, Judgment Day was averted. There were even scenes filmed with Sarah Connor as an old lady and John as a senator. The movie postulated that the future could be changed. T3 said the future could be changed but just a little bit. And T2 was much more than an extended chase scene. There was almost an hour where the T-1000 wasn't even in the picture.

  • May 26, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    HARD "R" PLEASE

    by Antz

    Don't be wimps, did people not see the matrix movies because they were R rated? It has been proven again and again that going for the softer rating is a franchise killer. Go the other way, go hard.

  • May 26, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    And TSCC did not "Ignore T3"

    by Antz

    But they did alter the time-line. There was the whole sub-plot about her jumping forward past her own death from leukemia for anyone who was paying attention.

  • May 26, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Imagine If The FIrst Terminator Was PG -13

    by rickdeckard1

    There would have been NO franchise!! Hard R bitches!!

  • May 27, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Hi, This is McG. Please Believe In Me guys

    by McGee

    I know my previous films and Sugar Ray videos were basically high paying fashion shoots. You have to start by selling out somewhere right? but with T4 I will redeem myself, I swear you guys, I will. This will be the best Terminator film ever, even better than T1, T2 and T3 and you'll see more terminators, we'll have black and chinese terminators also and a CG Arnold. You see, we motion capture scanned his face in and we have someone else to mimic his voice. T4 will live up to other similar post apolocalyptic films like Matrix 3, I promise you. I know I can do it!! As for you turdfucks criticizing the PG-13 rating. Listen, Pg-13 is basically R now, on TV you have extreme fighting with real blood,. with PG-13 you'll still see CGI arms and limbs blowing all over the place as the terminators (there will be more terminators, and black ones too) mow through fallout victims, you'll just have no "fucking" scenes, maybe a tit or two, but that's it.

  • May 27, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Script script script

    by McGee

    Paul Haggis has gone over this, Jonah Nolan has gone over this. Cameron has spoken with McG, Christian Bale hasn't taken on one bad project in his career (maybe with exception of that dragon movie w/ mathew mcconahey however u spell that douchebag's name) but that was just a "starting out" role for Bale before he had major success. So I wouldn't worry about the performances, dialogue and story. Halycon needs to take care of their baby. It's going to be "real" and "Tactile" I imagine the whole movie won't take place at night but will also be more reminiscent of a really good world war 2 movie with day shots of a post apoc world. As for the weeds growing around a blasted out L.A. realistically, the radiation from nuclear fallout would render parts of the earth plant ungrowable, but not in all areas. Plants would grow back, (and this is 2018, way after the actual nuclear holocaust(s) So plants will grow. I don't see why people make comparisons to completely different film (I am legend) because their's plants growing up buildings. This makes it more realistic, that it's taking place way after skynets' nuclear attacks and emphasizes time has passed since. If it's a good movie I don't care if it's PG-13 or R, but they better stick to canon and not alter Connor's destiny so much to the point he's not the resistance leader. It would obviously defeat the purpose of the first 3 films. Anton Yelchin as a younger Kyle Reese? no problem, he sortof resembles michael beign (remember Reese is sent back from the year 2029. This movie is set in 2018, so that makes sense as Reese is in his early 30's in T1. Obviously now of course everything comes down to me, McG. Do I have a vision? let's not doubt the man, the movie could come out and be mindblowing, or good-but-less-than-stellar. Considering his portfolio, but I think he will do a good job on this. This is one hell of a franchise and burden to helm, and as a director I think he'll pull it off and surprise us. The problem with you fucking critics is you go into everything equipped with subconscious preconceptions leading you to pan the movie because you've seen a fucking scene. I understand this cynicism, and that you never know, this film might turn out to be complete shit or less than stellar like T3. wait until the thing comes out before you start whining about plant growths on destroyed buildings and faces on HK's, atleast Hayden Christianson isn't John Connor

  • May 27, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Fan of the first three movies?

    by Kaitain

    There as as many good Terminator movies as there are good Indiana Jones movies: one. The first. T2 is a travesty of a sequel, a sell-out kids' movie.

  • May 27, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    There are people here who like T3 better than T2???

    by IndustryKiller!

    Wow. Now I can honestly say I have seen it all. I have stared into the black hole of the fanboy abyss and seen directly into the gaping maw of the prince of lies himself. oh yes brothers, i've seen how it will all end, and it is glorious!

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