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RAMBO, Which Used To Be Called JOHN RAMBO, May Be Called JOHN RAMBO Again!!

Merrick here...
Dark Helmet sent this to us. Interesting that Stallone so pointedly references releasing a different iteration of his film when the theatrical version hits DVD & Blu-Ray...like...next Tuesday.
don’t know if you watched Leno last night, but he had Sylvester Stallone on to push the RAMBO DVD release. Sly announced during the interview that later on (hopefully this year but he didn’t give a time-frame) he will release a “Director’s Cut” of the film, and give it the original title JOHN RAMBO.
And now, as your mid-week picker-upper...
I love it.

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  • May 21, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    oh...

    by d a v 3 y

    ok!

  • May 21, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Rambo, John or no John SUCKS!

    by Proman1984

    Go Indy 4!

  • May 21, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Why would anyone...

    by montimer

    Buy this DVD if the director's cut is out in a few months?

  • May 21, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Well shit

    by VXXXJesterXXXV

    I really am not a fan of double dips. They could have fucking released the directors cut next Tuesday. I have already bought and paid for the Blu Ray and am not sure I am keen on buying it again later this year. Then again I loved the movie so who knows

  • May 21, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    In France it was already "John Rambo" in theater

    by TheManBehindTheMask

    So I guess it's not a news to me!

  • May 21, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    FUCK YEAH

    by eric haislar

    Man that movie was balls!

  • May 21, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Rambo Goes to Outer Space

    by Annie The Pod Racer

    or was that Rambozo the clown?

  • May 21, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    I liked the movie

    by Razorback

    I would like to see the director's cut.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    that movie was great, hahah

    by BMacSmith

    ultraviolence!!!!!!!!

  • May 21, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    I'm ready for my meeting now....

    by just pillow talk

    If it's too long, there's gonna be blood.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Ron Jambo

    by tonagan

    Roger Corman's working on that one.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Manbehindthemask

    by Dr. Zempf

    Surely that must have been "Jean Rambò" in the french cinemas

  • May 21, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Great

    by Mr Sidney James

    Now can they go back and call Rambo: First Blood just 'First Blood' again as it should be.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    The Directors Cut

    by greg39

    He also said last night he wants to give every cent from the special edition to the Burmese.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    In Iran it was John Persia.

    by MonkeyManReturns

    PERSIA.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Ugh

    by ChickenStu

    After watching this movie, I never want to eat a rare steak again.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    how...

    by g-ride9000

    poignant

  • May 21, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Rambo was the best one since first blood

    by _SnakePlissken_

    And was the best film last year I can not get over how fucking good that movie was, and how the critics missed the point of it

  • May 21, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    LOVED THIS FUCKIN MOVIE!!!

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    Wow...it was the tits...Big tits. Here is some news this site should have already found out....but I haven't seen anything about....Christian Bale has signed on for 3 Terminator flicks! http://www.mania.com/bale-confirmed-for-whole-terminator-trilogy_article_58404.html

  • May 21, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Rambo...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...kicked my ass all over the place. That movie was sweet. <p> Seriously, that scene when the mercenaries are cowering in hiding, afraid to do anything to help the people the Burmese soldiers are herding across a mine-laden paddy, and Rambo jumps out and pwns the whole Burmese squad in five seconds with his bow -- sweeeeeeeet.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    _SnakePlissken_ you're so right!

    by Sith Witch

    I can't believe the critical beating it took, because it was the most powerful and socially-conscious film I've seen in years.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    It was a good action flick!

    by MonkeyManReturns

    But was reviewed by dumbasses who adore sex in the city - hence the bad reviews! It was criminal how this film was ignored - I suspect huge DVD interest.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Seeing as the Theatrical Cut was so short..

    by C Legion

    I'd welcome a longer cut. I liked much about "Rambo" but the story was incredibly thin. But then again, I seem to remember Sly saying the same thing after "Rocky Balboa" came out, and the closest we got to a Directors Cut of that was a few deleted/extended scenes on the DVD (scenes that should not have been cut). So I won't be holding my breath for this one.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    And the epilogue!

    by DocPazuzu

    How fucking cool was that?

  • May 21, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    I'm not a huge Rambo fan...

    by amano

    ...but damn that footage sold me. I was laughing in glee at all the ultraviolence. I'm gonna get this on bluray just to see that scene in hd.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    And I thought last night's Leno was a repeat

    by Itto Ogami loses Daigoro

    You're like a few months late for promoting Rambo there aren't you Sly? Oh well I got my copy pre-ordered anyhow.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    greg39

    by CherryValance

    I thought that was interesting since he seemed to be announcing the whole thing without asking Lionsgate.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Thanks Merrick, I can make it one more day now!

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    Why didn't I see this in the theater???

  • May 21, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Because you demanded it!

    by Diagnostic

    John Rambo: Director's Cut!!!<br>Now with 25% more grunts and grimaces!!!!!

  • May 21, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    This Film is Not Yet Rated

    by sambafreak13

    So this gets an R but The Cooler was gonna get NC-17 cause there's a 2 second shot of Maria Bello's pubes. Hmmm. I have no problem with violent movies. I love violent movies. I do not, however, love the fact that movie raters (and, honestly, our society at large) believe sexual content is somehow more damaging to our youth than the shit you see in this clip. How many knuckle-headed parents do you think brought their 10 year olds to see this movie? Based on my experience, I'm guessing quite a few. This is a rant and I doubt anyone gives a shit what I think about all this, but I see a clip like that, see the rating, and just get more and more fed up with the double standard.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    THE BEST ACTION SEQUENCE OF 2008!

    by ABking

    ...with the claymore bomb scene matching it as well! "FIRE OFF A SHOT"!

  • May 21, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Oh What a Huge Blood-Turd Stallone Hath Pooped!

    by ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswaldOprahWinFreeJackHorkheimer

    Hope they cut in the scene where he uses his dick to smash a tank commanders head like a casaba melon THEN uses the gore for lube and proceeds to make Julie Benz's vag' look like an Arby's Beef and Cheddar Sandwich thats been left out in the rain.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    He NEEDS TO KILL MORE MFs.

    by Redfive!

    I want a 2000...YES 2000 not a simple 200,I WANT A 2000 BODY COUNT next time,Im talking one full hour of this clip times 1000.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    I CALL BULLSHIT!

    by UMAGA

    Sly said we were getting a Rocky Balboa director's cut on the commentary for that DVD and then said there wasn't one on this very website.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    NEED. MORE. RAMBO!

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    That film fucking owned but I want to see Rambo be more centre stage in the next one and be mobile with an ak or something and also more BOW and ARROW action is required! Rambo should have been a huge huge hit i think it will do well on DVD.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Fucking hell that was orgasmic carnage

    by heyscot

    I can't wait for the DVD to come out so I can freeze-frame that shit to see how the hell he filmed that. . .that's the most realistic carnage I have ever seen.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Oh and BTW..

    by UMAGA

    Everyone was talking about Rambo 5 switching directing and going..sci-fi? Did Sly even say that? I thought he meant it just wouldn't be a war movie anymore. The easiest direction is turning Rambo into a Punisher-like figure.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    He better earn that title

    by Vern

    RAMBO was decent but as you can tell by the goofballs in this talkback it was all about killing a bunch of motherfuckers and not very much a character driven piece. But wait, you ask, this is RAMBO, how can it be character driven, ha ha ha Vern you are a moron. Well I'm glad you asked my friend because my reasoning is because this is a sequel to FIRST BLOOD which was very much about a character and what he goes through although also had him killing a bunch of guys.<p> There were little hints of that here and there in RAMBO but I was glad it didn't use that title since it was not at all an equivalent to ROCKY BALBOA. But I would be very happy if the director's cut was more about Rambo along with making dudes at home yell RAAAAAMBBBBOOOOOOO!!!! (chest bump)

  • May 21, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Death Porn

    by Autodidact

    Rambo (4) was death porn, pure and simple. I was right there with a VIP ticket on opening day. Rambo took these fuckin guys on teh Bang Bus!

  • May 21, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    First Blood was first a fairly serious literary success

    by JackRabbitSlim

    The original book, can't remember who wrote it, was considered a fairly serious piece of post-Vietnam literature, the growing realization of the widespread ptsd that the country was starting to acknowledge. It was covered in the New York Times Book Review and even given a positive review. You can still see echoes, faint though they may be, of that original characterization in the first film.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    It's definitely called John Rambo!

    by ApneicMonkey

    I watched an early release of the DVD last weekend and the title John Rambo now appears at the beginning of the movie. It was a nice surprise.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    This movie was balls, the tits, a bag of chips

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I can't believe a person exists who didn't think this wasn't the best hardcore action movie in over a decade. And it doesn't matter that the plot was thin, for an action movie it accomplishes what There Will Be Blood does as a drama movie. When Sly appears with the bow, you're transported to a place that only Predator, Robocop, Die Hard and a handful of other action movies were able to sweep you away to. I'm totally serious, this was a transcendental movie experience for me.<p>I would be very surprised if this movie wasn't in my top three at the end of the year. And a Director's Cut is something we should all be glad for.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    And it isnt the MPAA that has decided the sex v violence

    by JackRabbitSlim

    Its the American filmgoer, who in the 90's had a chance to legitimize the NC17 rating by actually *GASP* paying to see "Henry and June" and "Showgirls" and the few others that came out but ... no one did (well, I did, but believe me the Showgirls theater was echoingly empty) preferring instead to watch the carnage candy that was Terminator 2, et al. If you want a viable NC17 rating, the next time a film comes out with that rating (though there prolly never will be one), no matter how bad the reviews - GO SEE IT!

  • May 21, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    The Director's Cut better be 3 hours long

    by ImMorganFreeman

    And 85 minutes are just scenes of him making that knife. And that monologue. Most brilliant bit of writing all year. Take THAT Diablo Cody

  • May 21, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Yes, but will Lionsgate allow it..

    by skimn

    Sly said he hasn't check with Lionsgate yet, BUT, every dime made off the "directors cut" would go to Burma. Lionsgate would look the giant hero if they would allow it, but despite the Saw profits, could they afford to do it....? I know it the costs are low to produce DVDs, but you know studios......

  • May 21, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I have to respectfully disagree with Vern

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    First off, he didn't kill a bunch of guys in First Blood, he killed one guy and that was only because the jerkoff was hanging outside an unstable helicopter. Otherwise, he just shredded a lot of flesh below the waist.<p>As far as character development goes, we've had 3 previous films to find out who this guy is. Here we learn everything we need to know: he's become so jaded with his own country that he now lives in Thailand and keeps to himself mostly. He's not trying to make a difference anymore because he realizes that change has to occur on a worldwide scale, not localized like the missionaries are attempting to do.<p>I'll get skewered for saying this, but what Sly did with the character in under 90 minutes was brilliant.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Any word yet on how the transfer looks?

    by fassbinder79

    The blu ray for rambo 4. Anyone seen it yet?

  • May 21, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    fassbinder79

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Apparently Harry watched it yesterday but he might have been doped up on drugs. But he's probably going to watch it repeatedly. As any self-respecting geek would do.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Mid Week Picker Upper

    by Darth Valinorean

    Thanks for that man... I really needed to see something like that and it hit the spot. Rough fcking week at work and nothing like watching a lil' justice, Rambo style being served out.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Didn't see the new Ramblo flick....

    by Brian

    but i just watched that clip and it's super-hardcore. this shit caters to the lowest common denominator of action movie fan. people who hunt down real war footage and terrorist torture/execution videos. desensetized people who need their reality gore fix. Rambo has repugnant levels of violence. whew! i still wanna see it, HA!

  • May 21, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Is he going for an X rating?

    by Mullah Omar

    What was cut? RAMBO was loaded with carnage and I have a hard time imagining what could have been cut to tone down the theatrical version. Or is it just a length/depth issue and he wants to put in more character development?

  • May 21, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by Go Ahead ChestBump Me

    You're right at the center of the true.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by fassbinder79

    Haven't seen it yet but everything I've watched clip wise has me very excited about it. Everyone I know who saw it in the theater loved it. I can't wait to buy it on blu ray this weekend. Just wanted to know if the transfer came out okay. Sometimes on blu ray dark scenes can come out looking really grainy. Wanted to see if it passed the mustard. But I can't wait to see it. In many respects it looks like Stallone did with Rambo 4 what Spielberg should have done with the new Indy film.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    That's not fair

    by JackRabbitSlim

    I highly enjoy hyperviolent movies - though for my money I thought Tae Guk Gi was nastier than Rambo - but I enjoy it partly because i know all the time its karo syrup, red coloring dye #2 and occasional stewed tomatoes. Its the thrill of the forbidden via proxy. On the other hand, I refuse to watch the video of the execution of that poor reporter and the two deaths i've witnessed first hand (both road accidents) were in no way cinematic, hideously smelly (something movies will never get across) and simply grotesque and repellent. Not comparable imo.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    i liked it but

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    most of his kills came sitting at a bloody machine gun on a truck.<p>i wanted more of him going at it alone against everyone.<p>i guess he wanted to return both rocky and rambo back to their somewhat realistic roots.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    maybe

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    he cut all the crazy over the top scenes. :prays:

  • May 21, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    fivezero

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Anyone who wants to see snuff videos of those crazy terrorists sawing off people's heads is a degenerate low life who needs to be served a big bowl of diarrhetic shit and wash it down with a warm glass of camel piss.<p>Watching Sly utilize the most impressive esplodin' body effects this side of the Mississippi and seamlessly slap it together with unreal editing and cheering the whole time does not mean I sit in my basement jerking off to faces of Death.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    You think Rambo is violent?

    by SenatorNado

    How about the end of the world? http://www.theendisnear.co.uk

  • May 21, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    TOTAL FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Jesus fucking Christ!!! Almost all of that carnage was cut in our fucking German theatrical version! I think my eyes just melted and fell outta my head! A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!!

  • May 21, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    The is the best movie ever

    by Series7

    This is the sort of bad ass that 300 wanted to be. All the fucking fags out there whinning Sly's too old, when this came out are just fucking bitches. I can't believe this was not a huge hit in theaters. God the American public is so dumb and lazy. Even people I know who were too hesitent to see Rocky's return on the big screen and caught it on DVD and were amazed at how good it was, were still hesitent to believe that Sly could make Rambo awesome again. Any one that sat around and decided not to see this movie because it got bad reviews should not be allowed to see it at all. I am fucking tired of people who need critics to decide if they should see a movie or not. <P> I will buy both editions, just because I can't sit around and wait.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    double dipping palooza

    by Bouncy X

    so i hope this director's cut will be included in the eventual complete series collection on blu-ray. because its retarded how they made a fancy box for all 4 on regular dvd but blu-ray just has 4 individually and they put that trilogy box from a few years ago on blu-ray.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Rambo is exactly the kind of movie

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    That would make me spend my stimulus check on a Blu-Ray player. I wish Harry would give us a review. Like fassbinder, I'm curious to know if the transfer is good, especially since there's that significant scene of the night raid on the camp when some things are hard to make out.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Did anyone

    by Series7

    See Indy on Letterman last night as well? I was surprised Leno couldn't get Ford. Also how Sly was much less awkward and nervous then Ford. Maybe it was letterman, but Ford came off wicked nervous. He was pretty funny though, but Sly was a lot more at ease. Maybe Ford is really an actor, like how DDL seems like some weird shy dude in interviews and then plays these huge characters.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Listen, America....

    by TheDo

    having a film dedicated to one of your own killing lots of foreigners may appeal to your armed-to-the-teeth xenophobia and need see yourselves "sticking it" to the baddies with skin colours different to your own but outside of america that shit falls on it's face. hard. i've got no inclination to view this "masterpiece" as, imo, stallone should've stopped making films after get carter. but, methinks he was tempted to join the sequel brigade as he has only two franchises people would pay to see so he might as well make the most out of it? amirite?

  • May 21, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    The brutality of meh...

    by kingralphuk

    Still, that is some serious fucking violence !

  • May 21, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Gee, do you think they got everyone on the boat?

    by Raymar

    Overkill!

  • May 21, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Ford on Letterman

    by Brian

    Embarrassingly awful. I cringed so hard that my spine almost snapped in two. Fuck that pilot bullshit. Talk about the movie! Talk about something we care about. They made like 9 pussy jokes! Shame on them!

  • I should repeat, I did like the movie and it was great to see Rambo on screen again, I just believe that Sly is capable of better. I loved the scene where he attacks them with arrows, I loved the last shot. My favorite part is when she told him she didn't know what to say and he said well, then don't say anything, which sums up his character well.<p> But in many ways the story played like the dumbass bunch of explosions and grunting that people parody the series as. I mean, the missionaries get captured, he goes and saves them (white people only), then he comes back. That's the entire plot! I am one for simplicity but this just felt a little on the lazy side, there could've been some turn you didn't see coming at some point, something that brought it to the next level.<p> But more importantly I think it was a missed opportunity not to deal with the amount of time passed like they did in ROCKY BALBOA. This exact screenplay could've been done 2 years after RAMBO III and that would've been cool but now he is old, and that's fucking cool! But they don't take advantage of it.<p> Yes, this movie is more like the type of action movie I want to be seeing, so I'm happy he tried, but it is not the fucking holy grail yet. I'm just saying I hope the director's cut (if it really happens) has more of those elements to improve on the movie. (Or give us part 5!)

  • May 21, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    i do not understand

    by Bouncy X

    how people in other countries get offended when american movies portray some of their people as the bad guys/terrorists. i mean, its not like they're making stuff up, most terrorists are from the middle east. of course, its no surprise you never heard about this sorta reaction until 9/11, because its not like middle easterners caused that or anything. i mean seriously, its just a movie...people as a whole are so moronic sometimes. and thats my pointless little rant.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Series 7

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Are you saying that BOTH Sly and Ford were on the SAME Leno show? Damn, two of my all-time heroes together, and I fuckin' miss it. I wonder what they think of each other's work. And Vern, I agree with your assessment. Rambo was fun, but didn't capitalize on the opportunity to show much character growth, the way Rocky Balboa did. I mean, after 20 years, what's Rambo been doing with himself? Why is he hunting snakes for a living? Is he staying there to punish himself? Does he HATE America? If so, why? I mean, I understand that he distrusts the US government because of 'Nam and the shit he went through in the first three movies, but surely after 20 years he must understand that the American people aren't to blame. Also, it's suggested that Rambo had a father, and that his father is alive. And since he didn't go live with his father after the events in Rambo III, I was left wondering, well, did they have a falling out? Why didn't Rambo go home? He's just gonna pick up the pieces now with his dad, who must be in his 80s? Why bother? It almost would have made more sense to show Rambo back home in the US, but walking up the road to the offices of whatever missionary Sara and Michael worked for. That would have brought "full circle" the change of mind Rambo had from Sara's little speeches--that they CAN make a difference. Don't get me wrong, I liked Rambo, but it was not a "great" movie to me the way "Rocky Balboa" was.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Brother warciple, I just wanted to add that the "sudden appearance with bow" scene was aslo my favorite part, and one of those pinnacle Rambo / movie hero moments. But I guess I was hoping for more scenes like that in the movie. Like when Rambo takes off alone through the woods with the claymore, I was hoping he'd do other little "cool Rambo things" after rigging the tallboy. Instead, focus shifts to the mercenaries and missionaries, and when we do see Rambo again, it's only because he's the catalyst for the final fight. And once that starts, he's only a small piece of the action. Whereas with the 80s movies, he pretty much WAS the action. Not that I expected him to take on the Burmese army alone. I just expected more little, ya know, Rambo moments. Stitching up the arm kinda stuff.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by fassbinder79

    Blu Ray is 90 percent worth it if you have a big tv. I have a 46 inch sony hdtv and most of my collection looks friggin' sweet on this tv. I also own an hd-dvd player (casablanca and robin hood 1938 look AMAZING - PRISTINE on hd-dvd). But night scenes can be sketchy on certain titles and the upconvert from standard discs is all over the place. Some look great like Akira and Final Destination 2. And others look awful upconverted (i.e. Zodiac and Heat). Zodiac hd-dvd is a thing of beauty though so I imagine the blu-ray should be just as mindblowing when it comes out. There Will Be Blood looked AWFUL upconverted so I am anxiously waiting for that one on blu-ray. Hopefully PTA kicked those guys in the ass to get it right. Otherwise he's going to have big problems 'cuz the standard def version on an hdtv looks like ass. Harry, please give us a blu-ray review of Rambo. Thumbs up or thumbs down? On another rambo note: the first blood blu ray look okay but not great. Hopefully for will get better treatment. And just because its new doesn't mean its going to look good. I've seen plenty of new films on my tv that are on blu-ray that didn't look so hot. Overall I am pleased with buying one though. The fact is on a big tv you can't really go wrong.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    In the Philippines it was already "John Rambo"

    by rpalompo

    Saw it there on vacation in February and all the posters and the credits called it that.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Well Vern, when you put it so eloquently

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    All I can say I respect your opinion and I hope we get a little more character exposition with the director's cut. But I don't know what to tell you, I loved it from every possible angle. Like I said yesterday, it's been 20 years since I actually stood up and cheered in a movie. The first was Costner tossing Capone's henchman over the building and then a few months later with "Dick? YOU'RE FIRED!" So back then I thought this was going to become a monthly ritual. Alas, Hollywood went almost completely flaccid in the buildup of disposing of the bad guy. Anyhoo, that's a different subject altogether.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by fassbinder79

    1987 WAS THE FUCKING YEAR FOR MOVIES! I think Fatal Attraction came out that year too.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    TheDo

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Xenophobia my ass. Rambo 5 could be Stallone crashing the Republican National Convention and I would thump my chest so vigorously, I'd crack a rib.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    I would pay fifty bucks to see a movie...

    by fassbinder79

    ...where rambo crashes the republican national convention. Would never happen but that would be the perfect climax to this series.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Brought out my inner 80's action fan happiness

    by messi

    the all out assault with the mounted machine gun, my heart jumped, i felt like I was a kid again.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    YEA!!!

    by Disgustipitated

    Ah, man. I love that scene. The movie was a blast of freshness amidst the stagnant mediocrity of modern action films. Looking forward to the director's cut. FUCK the Junta!!!

  • May 21, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    You know what movie is kinda great...

    by fassbinder79

    ...with the exception of Dan Hedaya and the guy who looks like he's one of the village people playing the villains? COMMANDO. Watched that on blu-ray a few days ago. Kinda rocked. Bill Duke kicked serious ass in that film. If you want to watch Schwarzenegger kick the shit out of people for an hour and a half you can't go wrong with that film. Its totally ludicrous but very entertaining.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    fassbinder79

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I have an upconvert for the 60" HDTV downstairs and an upconvert for the HD projector upstairs. Everything looks so much better on the projector. I might have to borrow a friend's PS3 just so I can see a Blu-Ray title on it. Seeing that stuff at Costco probably isn't doing it justice.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    "most terrorists come from the middle-east"

    by Human Tornado

    Terrorism is actually a line of work that is very well distributed, geographically speaking. Shining Path and FARCs in South America, Zapatistas in Mexico, IRA on the british islands, ETA in Spain, Supreme Truth and the Red Army in Japan, Baden Meinhoff (sp.?) in Germany, lots of shit in northern Africa (remember pelople, Egypt and Lybia are not in the Middle East), Chechnya... Middle Easterns just seem more adept of blowing up americans (as well as each others), which might explain why you people perceive them as so numerous.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Onscreen title was "JOHN RAMBO" in Sweden

    by BenBraddock

    Seems like it was known as "RAMBO" only in the USA. Though the posters here in Sweden all had just "RAMBO" on them. Weird. Anyway, I liked the movie, against better judgement, though I agree with Vern, there should have been more exploration of his age, the time that had passed etc. That's what made it interesting for me. And it had a classic ending, if only for nostalgic reasons.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    David Morrel wrote the book btw

    by BenBraddock

  • May 21, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    VERN, rate all the franchises of OLD right here?

    by ABking

    Now that you have seen KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL, how does it rate against TERMINATOR 3: RISE OF THE MACHINES, ROCKY BALBOA, LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD and RAMBO? Please grade all these new entries of legendary series of old???

  • May 21, 2008, 12:52 p.m. CST

    John Dokken Rambo

    by tonagan

  • May 21, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    I think, Memories-Of-Murder,

    by Blue_Demon

    that SnakePlissken simply meant that it was his favorite movie of last year and was using hyperbole to express that.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    M-O-M...best is quite subjective

    by just pillow talk

    The movies you mentioned were the best according to YOU. Why the hell do you have to be condescending towards Snake's opinion? It didn't attack anyone when he said it was the best movie. For him, it was QUALITY. Don't start reverting back to your 'old' ways and bash anyone's movie opinions if they differ from your own.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    John McClane's a pussy

    by stardogg

    I dare 'em to do a balls to the wall TRUE Die Hard sequel. Yippy-kay-yay-mother...oh he can't say that anymore in a pg-13 movie. Studio punk-asses. Rambo rocked!

  • May 21, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    fuck, sorry Snake

    by just pillow talk

    Replace "It" with "He'. fuck.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    ZOMG!@

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    That clip just looked freaking awesome and I'm not kicking myself for not seeing it in the theater. Damn...

  • May 21, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by Series7

    Yeah I work at Costco, ONLY as a side job they pay fucking good for min wage. And they usually have there shit set up on Vizio TVs, thats probably why it looks bad. I myself got a Sony rear projection, which I like better then the plasma and LCD. Thats unless I had $4,000 + to buy a worth while plasma, like my moms got.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone

    by Series7

    Naw man Ford was on Letterman. I was just saying that I am surprised that he seems to be doing every other talk show besides Leno when usually Leno gets the biggest guests.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    M-O-M

    by just pillow talk

    "THERWE WILL BE BLOOD or NO COUTNRY FOR OLD MEN being the best movies of 2007 is not even debatable, if you so happen to have some working brain cells inside the skull. If you liked them or not, that'd another matter, of which not much can be said."<p>Um, that's your opinion. That doesn't make it true. I have seen neither movie, so I cannot comment on them. <p>Rambo was a quality action movie for many people. While I have not seen it, from that clip above, it certainly seems like the action was of high-quality. <p>And no where is it written that one must like "artistic" and "unconventional" movies to be a movie fan/geek. That's ridiculous. I love the Evil Dead movies. Are you telling me I'm not a movie fan because I like those movies? <p>How about the Indy films? Do those qualify as "quality" movies, or are they not intelligent/artistic, etc enough? Since you do like them, are you still a movie fan? <p>Fuck, Rambo is the type of movie FANS go ga-ga for.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    M-O-M

    by toadkillerdog

    Dude, you are going over the top in trying to bolster your argument. The qualitative assessment of a movie, is without a shadow of a doubt, subjective.<p> It is the very reason why movies thought to be terrible in one era, are suddenly 'discovered' to be masterpieces. <p> It is why there are so many lists of greatest movies of all time, and no one can agree on all of them. Not the so called experts, and not the average movie goer. <p> Why? Because it is ultimately a subjective viewpoint.<p> Yes, there are some movies that seem to transcend the debate, and their greatness is beyond question. But, can you really say that the two movies you mentioned belong in such a class?<p> And you were being condescending as hell.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Vern

    by kungfuhustler84

    he actually only kills one guy in First Blood.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Just viewed the SEX AND THE CITY trailer

    by thegreatwhatzit

    God, my IQ is now below room temperature. I know the content of the film is "girly" but--to paraphrase Benny Hill--"they really abused the privilege." Winking, giggling, gowns. If anyone has a problem with RAMBO, please indulge yourself with a completely unattractive cast (Kim Cattrall, there's an Efferdent commercial waiting for you in the wings).

  • May 21, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    and didn't Rambo come out this year?

    by kungfuhustler84

    so comparing it to great films like TWBB and NCFOM is pretty pointless. Anyway, Rambo was an extremely entertaining gore fest about the necessity of action, even resorting to violent methods. It was dumb, but in a fun way that I personally enjoyed. But from a cinematic point, TWBB NCFOM, and certainly Jesse James (my favortie film of last year) are superior, in several key ways. Cinematography, acting plot, you name it, those movies are better. It doesn't make Rambo any less good. That movie is a whole other monster.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    JPT and toadkillerdog

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Welcome to the never ending contradiction that is M-O-M.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    this site needs an edit button

    by kungfuhustler84

    I look like a fucking idiot with all those typos in that post

  • May 21, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Good news - somone tell earth to start spiining again

    by Yeti

  • May 21, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Daniel Richard Blood

    by toadkillerdog

    The Star Wars movies do indeed show that 'quality' is subjective.<p> Take it one step further, these TB's have shown that some prefer TOD over Radiers, and some even think TLC is the best. <p> Most would put Raiders over all of them, but a sizable portion thinks TOD is best. <p> That is pure subjectivity.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST

    that's "spinning" not spiining.

    by Yeti

    I can't spell worth a shit. Damn you spell checker! Damn you to Hell!

  • May 21, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Regarding THE ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    In the past few years, I can't think of a better looking movie (sporting a great cast) that BORED ME TO TEARS as much as that one. Seriously. I couldn't wait for the assassination so I could eject the damn thing from my DVD player. And Casey Affleck's performance was VERY admirable but way over-hyped.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Rambo entertained me.

    by I Hope You Die

    I get the feeling that in 2008 that's apparently all I can hope for. If there was more to it, I'm guessing he cut it because it didn't work. I was glad they kept the "John Rambo is reluctant and troubled" stuff to a minimum and just had guys splitting in two in a hail of gun fire. When was the last time you saw violence that raw? The 80s? Every movie has people being intense and troubled now. Silence is the new monologue. Fucking dudes up the new introspection.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Daniel Richard Blood

    by toadkillerdog

    Thou art free to believe what thou wilt, oh misguided one!<p> But that is the beauty of free thought!

  • May 21, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    DGDB

    by kungfuhustler84

    I'm just curious why? If you said "favorite" I wouldn't even question it, but you said best. Just wondering. I personally love the film (as I do all of them), but do not consider it the best of the series.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    MNG

    by just pillow talk

    Does the circle apply here as well? :-)

  • May 21, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Call me a brainless traglodyte then

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Because NCFOM and TWBB didn't even figure into my top 5. And I don't even think I have a top 5. But I'm pretty sure Zodiac, 3:10 to Yuma, King of Kong, Michael Clayton, Once, Before the Devil, Jesse James and Ratatouille would rank ahead of either one, although I have yet to see Into the Wild, The Savages or Diving Bell.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    JPT

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    HA! Yes, I believe it would.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    blasphemy Hawaiian!

    by just pillow talk

    A "cartoon" cannot, and will not, be tolerated in any "best of" lists!

  • May 21, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    Zodiac

    by kungfuhustler84

    now there's a movie that did not get the love it deserved in 2007. What a great movie, with an excellent cast. Just go buy Diving Bell, HOD. It's incredible.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Best Movies Of Last Year

    by fassbinder79

    1. There Will Be Blood 2. Eastern Promises 3. Zodiac 4. The Mist

  • May 21, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Yup, haven't seen half of those movies HOD mentioned

    by just pillow talk

    I did see Zodiac (which I liked), 3:10 to Yuma, which was pretty damn good, and Ratatouille, which was full of QUALITY as well.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    JPT

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Is that the CoC code?<p>Hmmm, methinks that's harsh. So I gotta put Ratatouille on my neutral list?

  • May 21, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by fassbinder79

    You're not alone. I hated Jesse James. Soooo disappointing.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    JPT

    by kungfuhustler84

    I hope you're joking. Ratatouille was an excellent film about pursuing something you love, no matter how much others object to it. Persepolis was another great animated film last year. I would recommend seeing it as an example of animation's ability to express mature issues. Also, consider Hayao Miyazaki's work. When Spirited Away came out, it blew a lot of stuff that year out of the water.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I am stunned with how much people on these boards...

    by fassbinder79

    ...love temple of doom. The worst in the series. Seeing Crystal Skull tomorrow morning which I expect may wind up being even worse. If I'm wrong I'll bow down to all of you in shame. But I doubt it.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    fassbinder79

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Eastern Promises. Good call. And you know what, I know it took a lot of crap, but I loved The Mist. Maybe not list worthy but all the ridiculous "ohh come on!" moments aside, I loved it. Screw it, throw on the list somewhere.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Kungfuhustler84

    by fassbinder79

    I think Howl's was even better than SA.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    HOD - naw

    by just pillow talk

    Just referencing M-O-M's "grading" system.<p>I own Ratatouille, and found when he was controlling the chef quite funny.<p>The CoC code does not quantify movies on the same basis as critics. Witness the Leprechaun & Tremors series, Beastmaster, Evil Dead series, etc. These are the pillars of CoC.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by fassbinder79

    I loved the Mist. I think Darabont is on fire right now. He's one of those directors like Nolan who has really taken over the spot I used to have for Spielberg back in the 80's. I'll see anything that Nolan and Darabont put out at this point.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Rambo 5: Rambo vs Illegal Immigrants

    by W3bzpinn3r

    Rambo, back at Arizona, takes on Rednecks trying to sneak mexicans over the border.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    RE: The Mist

    by fassbinder79

    And the end of that movie is one of tbe best in horror film history.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    No Country For Old Men

    by fassbinder79

    I'll probably get beat down for saying this (and I own it on blu-ray actually) but the end of NCFOM is pretty pathetic. Everything up until just after Brolin's death is FANTASTIC. But everything after that ruins the film in my humble opinion. The end simply did not work for me at all. It didn't earn it.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Kim Cattrall: ancient history

    by thegreatwhatzit

    Yep, I remember a 30-year-old Kim Cattraal when she was cast in BIG TROUBLE/LITTLE CHINA; that was 22 years ago. You do the math. As she matured, she transformed into an egocentric, p.r. parasite who post-SEX/CITY "career" is a string of boxoffice losers. Not as bad as Sharon Stone but close. And, no, there's nothing wrong about middle age (Heather Locklear, Patricia Heaton, etc., etc.). But Cattrall is a vanity-driven douchebag (probably supports Clinton).

  • May 21, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    thegreatwhatzit

    by fassbinder79

    Sharon Stone will always have respect for her performance in Casino. You've got to at least give her props for that one. And Total Recall and Basic Instinct ain't too shabby either.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by Series7

    I am probably in the majority when I say that I did not care for 3:10 and Zodiac. Which probably boils down to the time frame in which I watched them. See when I netflicks Zodiac I just moved and didn't have a job and was sitting at home watchinig 4-5 Law and Order shows today. Throw in Zodiac and it just kind of blended into the L&O shows, and just fergot about it. And for 3:10 I was in the middle of watching season one of Deadwood, and the whole time I was watching 3:10 I was like, man this sucks I could be watching Deadwood instead. Plus the whole Ben Foster performence was way over the top, and in the end I just thought he was a homo in love with Crowe. And Crowe didn't come off as a bad guy enough. All we knew about how bad he was, was through Ben Foster stories save for the fork scene and Dallas Roberts was the best co-star and was not even noticed. So they may have been good movies, I just think its funny how TV shows fucked with how I viewed them. <P> As for fans of Eastern Promises, yeah that would have been an awesome piolet (so would have History of Violence) but as stand alone movies they are weak. And for anyone that says they are crazy violent, has not seen any of Croneburgs other work.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by fassbinder79

    Eastern Promises and History Of Violence awesome pilots? What??!! Those movies rule! Cronenberg is doing some of the best work of his career right now.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Rambo should be shown

    by Abominable Snowcone

    in all high school civics classes, so the boys will learn what it means to be a man

  • May 21, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Vern

    by fassbinder79

    What is you "holy grail of action movies" in recent memory? Not in a bad way. Just curious. For me its Bad Boys 2. Haters bring it on - but that movie has some of the best action sequences I have ever seen.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Great argument

    by kungfuhustler84

    But I think Indy's motives are less different than you make them out to be. In going after all the other artifacts, Indy always believes they should be placed in a museum for all to see. He never really does anything for himself, except fight the bad guys so he won't die. And addressing what you said about Indy being a machine in ToD, I feel this actually pulls away from what attracts me to Indy. I have always loved the very human moments of Indy, where we see him struggling. Like when he is on the ship and Marion flips the mirror. It's Indy's human moments and vulnerability that make the character, because seeing someone actually suffer but still somehow having the strength to conquer an obstacle is an incredible thing. It's one of the reasons why it has become so hard to find any good Superman stories. There's no real way to challenge the character or really give him something he can contend with. Still, that finale is pretty fucking incredible and the scene you're talking about where the guy slides like 20 feet is one of the best Indy moments ever. It is extremely entertaining, but like Rambo, is more an exercise in style and semantics rather than syntax and characters. We are expected to know the character, and accept what he does unconditionally, which can weaken a movie. It's a great piece of film, but lacks the humanity and character of the other two.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    And good Christ almighty

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I've got enough cerebral crap on my best of lists the past 10 years, I see nothing wrong with throwing Rambo on there.<p>Besides, best of lists are all nonsense anyway. How many people don't put Kanye West, Gnarls Barkley and Arcade Fire on their music lists year after year and I wouldn't have that sewage piped in my coffin.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    whups

    by kungfuhustler84

    semantics are actually missing in ToD. What I meant was syntactics. Semantics are more of something you see in Raiders and Crusade.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Zodiac is a masterpiece

    by fassbinder79

    PERIOD. And I can't wait to see what Fincher does with Heavy Metal and Burns' Black Hole.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    fassbinder79

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I gotta go with Asian cinema for good action lately. Kill Zone and Invisible Target.....those movies owned my ass so much they should show up on my credit report.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    There Will Be Blood.....

    by BilboRing

    Saw it last week. DD Lewis was brilliant and so was the preacer kid from Little Miss Sunshine. But the movie was average at best. Really slow paced and the plot was so so. I did not really think No COuntry for Old Men was that good either....go figure.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Penn Is A Solid Director

    by fassbinder79

    So i buy into the wild being one of the best of last year. But I don't buy anything being better than There Will Be Blood from last year. That is one of the best films of the decade and a triumph for PTA. It is also one of the most relevant films I've seen in recent memory. The themes have biblical proportions.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by fassbinder79

    Kill Zone was good? Really? I had it on netflix for a while and then I some pics that made it look cheap and direct to video. You seem to have good taste in action though. I'll give it a try.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Sharon Stone: DOA

    by thegreatwhatzit

    I'll give her points for the very early films. But every subsequent movie, released after BASIC INSTINCT, has commercially tanked. She's boxoffice poison but Stone is delusional ("I'm still a movie star"). And, honestly, I thought her CASINO performance was little more than hysteria. And she's a p.r. whore; only a matter of time when she's shilling her autograph at geek conventions.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Killzone

    by kungfuhustler84

    Donnie Yen vs Sammo Hung. that fight scene is fucking incredible, and a dream come true. Imagine Daredevil vs Kingpin if it had been done right, except that ridiculous part at the end where Donnie flips Sammo over his head, wtf?

  • May 21, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder

    by fassbinder79

    Jesse James had a lot of problems. And any film that put James Carville in it goes on my shit list IMMEDIATELY. All those Clinton people make me sick.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Kill Zone

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    It all depends on how you like your action. I've tried to convert people to Asian cinema and it wasn't their bag. But my brother insists he be present every time I put one in so he's hooked. The movie is a 90-minute infomercial on how to kick a guy's ass using any means at your disposal. I don't think the fighting ever lets up. Which is how I like my Hong Kong films.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by fassbinder79

    I see alot of asian action films. I own every celestial shaw brothers dvd release. Although truth be told I am being forced to watch them on my hdtv through my region free player that isn't 1080p. :( a sizeable bummer for me right now especially after watching by blu-rays and hd-dvds in all their glory.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    fassbinder

    by kungfuhustler84

    you know I haven't actually seen Howl's? I'm dying to though. About NCFOM, if you didn't get the ending, you missed the enitre movie's message. That's where the real meat of the story and the main character takes place. Consider the title. It wasn't called that for nothing.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    fassbinder79

    by Series7

    They would have made for awesome piolets to new HBO TV shows. Neither of them has an ending. I really don't get all the praise for them. <P> And since this is becoming a I LIKE THIS WHY DON'T YOU fest, I think 07 was total shit for movies, everything I've seen this year has been head and shoulders above 07 (save for TWBB but I saw that this year so I count it for this year. Yes I know it came out last year, whatever). Just 07 was full of movies that got all this hype and got there balls cuped and in the end they never really delivered. Like nothing in 07 pushed cinema to the next level. All the summer movies where crap, I finally found a Pixar character I didn't really care about. No Country for a single critic with a different opinion. 300 was cool and all, but after one viewing of the trailer you'd seen it all. Transhumans. Any movie with 3 in it, was useless. The few movies from last year I liked: Simpsons and TMNT were great cartoon TV to cartoon movies, which normally doesn't happen. Superbad was the only comedy from last year worth remembering. Sunshine and Daywatch were amazing Sci-Fi (whatever you wanna call Daywatch) movies. And DH4 was the only summer movie worth seeing again (yeah it was retarded, but how did Bruce have a more bad ass actioin scene then Optimus?). 30 days of night was better then it should have been. Beowulf is what 300 should have been. Bridge to Terabithia started to make kids movies watchable again. I am Legend, while still way to on the safe side, Will Smith gave a pretty damn impressive performence. I say last year was the best year for the critics, because for some reason everyone just fucking ate up the crap they copied from each other. 08 may end up having more crappy movies then 07, but the high points (so far) have been a lot higher then last year.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Kungfuhustler84

    by fassbinder79

    Howl's is a masterpiece. But I'm a sucker for Miyazaki and Satoshi Kon's work in general. The japanese are kicking our ass when it comes to animation (and food). I get the ending for No Country I just didn't think it deserved the jarring narrative shift. I get the stuff going on with Jones' character I just didn't think it earned its approach. And truth be told in the end I was more interested in what happened to Brolin than I was with what happened to Jones. His character was also too similiar for me to the one he played in Melquiades Estrada.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by fassbinder79

    I agree with quite a bit of what you said. Beowulf was far superior 300. But Sunshine and TMNT sucked. And Transformers looks awesome on my TV. Ratatouille was great (though it was no Incredibles). Did you see Berg's The Kingdom? One of the best flicks of last year. I agree with you about Will Smith in I am Legend although the effects were terrible. Haven't Terabithia (one of my favorite books from when I was a kid) yet or DH4 which looked awful. Simpsons was just okay. Nothing to write home about.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Forgot to mention...

    by fassbinder79

    Superbad and Knocked Up are so overrated.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Rambo is the only movie from 2008 I've seen so far and I don't care what anyone says, it's set the bar mighty high.<p>Oh wait, I saw Cloverfield too. And it doesn't deserve to stand in Rambo's shadow.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by fassbinder79

    Haven't seen the new Rambo yet. Pre-ordered it though...But I gotta say Cloverfield was much better than I thought. In many ways I thought it was the movie Spielberg's War of the worlds should have been.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    OK

    by Series7

    Anyone thinking Jesse James was going to be anything BUT boring did not see Chopper. The movie had one good scene in the whole thing (the ending scene with the sort of poem). And since when did Sean Penn get credited for being a good director? Again another maker of boring plodding films. The crossing guard (if you have not seen it, you should watch just for the world slowest chase scene between Jack Nicholson and David Morse). Also I just don't know how anyone can feel anything for the character in Into the Wild, besides a big lack of teaching standard in american education, I bet that kid in real life probably had some major metal health issues. BUT HEY lets honor him with a movie! <P> As for Micheal Clayton, I did enjoy it and I usually hate Clontang, but it wasn't any better then A Civil Action or (insert any John Grisham legal drama here).

  • May 21, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by fassbinder79

    Penn is a strong director of actors. Crossing Guard has some of the best acting you will ever see. Some of the best since early Cassevetes which is saying a lot.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor and Fassi

    by Series7

    Hawaiian, you need to catch Speed Racer in theaters if you haven't yet. Yeah I've only see a handful of movies this year as well. I can see where you wouldn't like Cloverfield, but I saw it more as an experiment then a movie and in that way it worked. <P> And Fassi. You didn't like TMNT or Sunshine? Did you not see Sunshine in theaters? I like Sunshine because there hasn't been a good Sci-fi in forever. And if you didn't like TMNT then you probably didn't like the show growing up, also it had the most bad ass fight scene with Leo and Mike in the rain. Yeah saw the Kingdom, I think I was expecting too much going into it. Plus the use of the Mr. West song in the trailer was killing me. It was pretty damn good, thought Bateman was kind of out of place in the whole thing. But it continues the trend of Peter Berg making movies a lot better then they have any right to be. I am calling his best director Oscar within ten years now. If anyone is looking for anyone who will remotly resemble the "NEXT" Steven Speilberg, watch Berg career. Between him and Danny Boyle man those two can probably direct any type of movie and make is good to great.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Rambo Director's Cut?

    by Mattyboy122

    Where's the Rocky Balboa Director's Cut he promised? The fact that he mentioned releasing a DC of that is the one reason I haven't bought the original on DVD or Blu-Ray (the flick looks great in HD) yet. I didn't get to check out Rambo in theatres, though, so I'll definitely have to check it out on disc. It looked unbelievably hardcore.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    DannySeriesFass

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Ok, let's address some points.<p>The ending of Cloverfield bothered me. This 30-story monster snuck up on them? Swallows a guy and spits him and the camera out, intact? And Rob runs back for the camera witht he monster standing right there? Ehhhhh, they lost me. But I enjoyed much of it.<p>The way they handled Moss' death in No Country bothered me. We got to see peripheral characters bite it but not the central one? Maybe that randomness was the point but it still bothered me.<p>I'm the only guy on this site that openly admits his love for Clooney. What others see as ego and annoyance, I see as charm and a guy I want to have drinks and talk politics with. Flame away.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Crossing Guard

    by Series7

    ???????????????????????????????? How so? Also Peter Berg is a much better actor turned director.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I'm making up for my lack of movies this weekend

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Going to see Indy, Iron Man and Speed all in one day.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder

    by Series7

    I think Penn is a lot like his movies. He acts like he is so deep and emotional, but really he's just a douche full of himself. And his movies are full of themselves. His movies are simple and he acts like there to them then there really is.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by fassbinder79

    I was actually a fan of the turtles cartoon. I just thought the new one had cheap looking cg and it took me out of the movie. Didn't see Sunshine in the theaters but on dvd. I know what you mean about good sci-fi but that movie wasn't it to me. But 28 days later and Trainspotting are awesome.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    The Kingdom

    by Series7

    I already said that I didn't think it was that good. I am more talking about Friday Night Lights (which is better then anything Penn's done). And yes, Rumble in the Jungle (The Rundown to those of us not outside the U.S.A.) was pretty fucking good. The movie should have been trash, and it was more then entertaining. Plus it will probably be the last good use of Christopher Walken since now everyone expects him to BE Christopher Walken rather then just letting him do his thing. As for Hancock, it could suck (it looks like it'll suck), lets just see if Berg can stop this trend of William Smith picking up talanted directors and just endinig their career.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    MoM

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Ouch! C'mon, man, at least give me As Good As It Gets. I mean, I know it's Jack being Jack, but he was great. Besides, he played the part as it was written. And he played it beautifully. Maybe it's not hard for Jack to play a performance like that because he's just being himself, but that's like not thanking and appreciating the doctor after he saves your life because he was just doing his job.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST

    MOM

    by Series7

    I just don't feel that Sean Penn is genuine, in his behavior and his directing. I put him in the Susan and Tim Robbins category of actors. That yeah their hearts may be in the right place, but they come off way to whiny and preachy. And have that AICN TB'er attitude, in that if you don't believe me or agree with me, your wrong.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Makes more sense.

    by I Dunno

    Now if someone could tweak the highly original "Star Trek", we'd be set.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Good movie but there's no need for a sequel

    by Stalkeye

    unless he goes to Dafur to take on the genocidal warlords whilst saving the civilians.I think the movie ended best when "John J" returned back to the states,after all, part of the story refered to Rambo coming full circle so with that it's time for Sly to pursue other ventures.<p>Killzone was great and to think I had my shrink wrapped copy collecting dust for over six months until recently.Invisible Target is right up there and now I had no idea that it will soon be released by Dragon Dynasty so I already have it pre ordered. What's odd is that there's a(Bare bones?) Region 1 copy for $7.00 on Amazon.Like HOD, I highly recommend IT for all Asian action fanboys and collectors alike.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    I gots to wean myself off these TBs

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    They're like crack.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Honestly

    by Darth Melkor

    Could the Chaingun sequence be the most brutally and graphically realistic sequence in movie history? It could be...

  • May 21, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I'm glad you enjoyed Killzone. I don't think there's ever been a rock 'em sock 'em robots fight like Yen vs. Hung.<p>And that's spectacular news about Invisible Target coming stateside. I hope all the regulars (you know who you are) add it to their queues.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by Series7

    I was talking about their personal politics. I was saying that Sean Penns movies, just aren't as deep and moving as people say they are. <P> HBD I know what your saying, fucking, who else here is at work right now?

  • May 21, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I should have been shown the door

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Looooong ago. These fools are paying me to rant and dissect movies.<p>Time to go though. Gotta pick up the kid at daycare.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Danny

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I think I suggested it to you under either Kill Zone (or Sha Po Lang the Asian title) and if by robots you mean two unstoppable killing machines in the form of Sammo Hung and Donnie Yen, then yes, it has robots. If I didn't suggest it then I'm a schmuck and haste thee to Netflix and add it.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Vern

    by DocPazuzu

    You may want to watch Rambo again. They didn't just save "white people" in the army camp. They freed as many as they could, which meant pretty much everyone left alive (very few) except the women being abused by literally hundreds of soldiers in the big tent. I know it's a Rambo film and all, but even taking on those odds would have been ridiculous at that point. <p> The Karen they rescued presumably parted ways with them afterwards.

  • May 21, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    M-O-M

    by DocPazuzu

    Be honest: hasn't it occurred to you in these talkbacks, at least once, that there might be something offensive in the way you address people? I mean how many times do you have to be told that you're being condescending before you begin to entertain the notion that: "hey, maybe I should start thinking about how to debate something without making people think I'm an insufferable shit." <p> Your definition of the inviolate status of "quality" is also completely false. Lesson number one of cultural anthropology is: "there is no such thing as objectivity."

  • May 21, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    5 o'clock.

    by Series7

    OFF TO JOB 2! No desk there. Later, Rambo rules.

  • May 21, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I love you Sly

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Come see the new "Indy" movie with me

  • May 21, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Yeah HOD, you remember how I hinted at the fucked up ending?

    by Stalkeye

    Damn and I thought The Killer was a letdown back in the day.Something about that final scene on the Beach left me with.."aw, shit"! but Asian movies and Anime is known for pathos, almost Greek tragicesque endings but it's realistic as the hero does'nt always make it in the end. And if he does, there's often consequences.Call it a Pyric victory, however Invisible Target's finale was bittersweet.I can't belive how this one went under the radar.With highly charged fight scenes as well as omiting the antagonists as one dimensional villians it's another fucking classic.Unfortunatley, since the Weinsteins are behind the US release, it's only available as a Blockbuster exclusive.Butit's worth buying from Amazon unless you already have a BB subscription.

  • May 21, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Can "Raiders of the Lost Ark"

    by Abominable Snowcone

    be called "Raiders of the Lost Ark" again, and "Star Wars" be called "Star Wars?" I'd like that

  • May 21, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Best movie =most entertaining

    by bioforge

    Thats how I judge movies and probably most of the general public. Hence judging movies that the average moviegoer found boring as great is idiotic.

  • May 21, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Rambo wasnt gory enough

    by Prossor

    i hope with Rambo V Sly REALLY makes it gory. ok just kidding that was fucking gory but still SKYs the limit!!

  • May 21, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    I want HAMBO.

    by Damien Chowder

  • May 21, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    The version I saw was called John Rambo

    by pokadoo

    I think it was a French or Russian screener. Either title, it's got lots of bloody guts and stuff. Yay!

  • May 21, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Stallone just irks me.

    by Boromir

    It's irrational and stupid, but it's true. I've never seen a single one of the man's films, and have zero desire to do so. There are always people who feel the same way about David Lynch or any other auteur theory practitioner, I know--and I realize that some people consider Stallone to have carved out a certain niche for himself in the world of film. For me though, (admittedly without the benefit of having seen any of his films) Stallone's vision and filmic interests seem pedestrian and drenched with the musk of stale testosterone. I give him credit for the writing, directing, and acting he's done, but I still can't think of him as very different from Jean-Claude Van Damme or Dolph Lundgren. My loss, I guess.

  • May 21, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Yeah, FUCK YOU BURMESE MILITARY REGIME

    by tylerzero

  • May 21, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Wow DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by I Dunno

    I haven't felt so oppositly about an opinion in a while. Up until Indy wakes up from the blood of Kali, he's a mercenary bastard. He deals with gangsters to trade an artifact that clearly "belongs in a museum" for a diamond. <p>He doesn't decide to go to Pankot until he finds out the rocks are the Sankara Stones. Fortune and glory. He doesn't give a shit about the kids. </p><p>So he drags a child and a semi-retarded woman into the depths of hell because he's "not leaving without the stones". He never mentions the kids. He was ready to bail. Only after he heard the screams of the children did he get the least bit curious about the stolen kids. THEN he becomes the hero, not before. That's why ToD is a prequel. In Raiders, he's still obsessive but much less mercenary. He's still willing to leave his girlfriend to the Nazis in favor of getting the ark. Only at the end is he willing to give it up for her.</p><p>Then by Last Crusade, he's pretty much a pussy. He doesn't care about the Grail at all until the second his father is shot. That's the character arc of the movies.</p>

  • May 21, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    into the wild

    by ectocriminal

    the protagonist was supposed to be a rich, idealistic child. you were supposed to sometimes root for him, somtimes be angry with him, and sometimes be happy for him. you were watching a child develop and die right as he turned into the man he would be. this child's ideas of going into the wild to discover himself and become a man have ancient, even primal roots, but it seems new to him, like any timeless idea presented to a child for the first time. into the wild was borderline brilliant.

  • May 21, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Dannyglovers...

    by Boromir

    No, I've never seen a Rocky film. I've seen clips of his films, but that's all. I thought that my own comment was relevant because...well, because it's a comment on a personal view or understanding of Stallone's oeuvre, and this is a Stallone talkback.<br><br>Don't get me wrong, I'm not so elitist that I'd claim that his films have no merit or that no one should enjoy them. It's just that his work as a whole seems to me to be (or to be advertised as being) steeped in a dysfunctional male mythology that I reject.<br><br>My reaction to the clip that Merrick posted above is a fairly representational example of my reaction to Stallone's work in general. I already know that no matter how the story is set up, I wouldn't be cheering for the "good" guys here, nor did the carnage excite or thrill me. I get the 25 minutes of Omaha Beach carnage in Saving Private Ryan, but I don't get the artistic or emotional value of the flying hamburger and blood sprays in the footage above.<br><br>Anyway, I could probably go on for hours explaining my thoughts, but that'd be pointless. Mine is just one dumb opinion, and shouldn't matter to you or anyone else. I posted it solely because it is mine, and I was given the opportunity to do so.

  • May 21, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Soylent...

    by Boromir

    Never said I didn't watch movies. Though I do love radio--there's a reason for the bidding war the studios had over first-look rights to This American Life stories.<br><br>I certainly don't dislike film.<br><br>And finally, odd is relative. I find your apparent taste in film to be odd--though I wouldn't call you stupid because of that, in a nice way or otherwise. There's no test for the validity of taste, and I kinda like things that way.

  • May 21, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!

    by Pageiv

    Anyone suspect the government in Myanmar is blaming the damge caused by Rambo on a made up "cyclone"?

  • May 21, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    This is the most bout it bout it

    by Darth Thoth

    Most violent movie ever!!! I can't wait to get the Director's Cut!!!!

  • May 21, 2008, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Temple of Doom. Good.

    by Prossor

    Temple of Doom > Last Crusade. You know it to be so.

  • May 21, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    it's called RAMBO IV in asia

    by cloudrider`

    and it still sucks!

  • May 21, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by CherryValance

    I think Ford was on Leno last week or the week before. If I recall he told the Kids' Choice Awards slime story.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Watching Last Crusade right now

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Screw the detractors, this movie rocks. There's some silly stuff but there's a whole lotta brilliance.<p>And anyone who can't get excited about flying hamburger and blood sprays needs a cold Sam Adams and a hand job while watching it. Let's see your excitement level be anything less than a 10 after that.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Temple of Doom trums all TomBodet

    by Proman1984

  • May 21, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    trumps*

    by Proman1984

  • May 21, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    SHIT RAMBO is the best title of them all

    by Proman1984

  • May 21, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    VERN IS A GODDAMNED IDIOT

    by Underoos Hero

    Vern, what the fuck man?!!! Here's a quote from your TB post: "I mean, the missionaries get captured, he goes and saves them (white people only), then he comes back". Are you fucking serious? Are you one of these white bleeding heart fucks? Did it not occur to you that Rambo prefers to live in Asia?!! With Asian's?!!!! And Rambo's story is about saving these ASIAN people?!! It just so happens that most of the time, a lot of the types of people that go to these places and try to help people are white. So what does that mean you fucking retard?!! Is Sly a racist?!! You must really be trying to get your "News at 5 card". Spare us your bullshit.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Stallone Should Stop Pussing About

    by ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswaldOprahWinFreeJackHorkheimer

    - and produce a faithful adaption of Philip Jose Farmers "A Feast Unknown" It'd make "Rambo" look like the Care Bears Movie. Praise "BOB"

  • May 21, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    VERN, GET OFF THE RACE CARD FROM NOW ON

    by Underoos Hero

    People like you help to keep this race war brewing. Everyone shut the fuck up about race and some of this tension will die down. Racism is here to stay and will never go away, but you can releive the strain by not ALWAYS bringing it up in the media. It happens, deal with it when it comes, but do not promote it.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Last Crusade = lame

    by Prossor

  • May 21, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    If you watched the Screener...

    by BurgerKing

    It was John Rambo already. Wait, we weren't supposed to watch the screener version???!?! <p> Way I see it is, if a leaked movie is good and I watch the leak, I'll pay to see it big and without annoying studio watermarks on the screen. Let's just say I watched Rambo screener...and didn't go to the theatre after.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    also rambo is the best title

    by BurgerKing

    Because everyone has been calling the whole fucking franchise Rambo, so might as well go out and actually call one of the movies RAMBO right. <p> Sly was thinking of us, so we wouldn't have to say "Excuse me, dumb fuck, it's not RAMBO it's FIRST BLOOD thank you very much." Now we can just assume they are talking about the newest film (but we secretly know they aren't)

  • May 21, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Doc Pazuzu /underwear kangaroo guy

    by Vern

    I was not actually calling Rambo a racist, but I have a different interpretation. I think the reason is personal, not tactical. He came there specifically to save the blond gal who he knew personally. That was the mission he gave himself, not to save everybody, which he does not believe is possible. So I understand the logic of what he does in the movie. But still you have to admit that it is kind of unintentionally humorous that he made a movie where literally dozens of Asian women are being horribly abused but go unrescued and he saves the one white lady. I mean it's a little funny, right Doc? I think it is.<p> And to the underwear dude, I apologize for being such a god damned idiot, etc. although it is now balanced out by you being a belligerent prick who jumps to conclusions and flies off the handle based on a misinterpretation of one casual off-handed three word phrase. anyway thanks buddy I'm sure you're a nice guy on other days.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    AB King

    by Vern

    I will accept your challenge, but I have not seen Indiana Jones yet. I'm gonna see it tonight at the witching hour or whatever. So I will get back to you on that essay question. thanks AB.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Will probably buy both

    by xX_BlackThorne_Xx

    ... but I hate how movies studios release 2-5 versions of movies on dvd.... God dammit, just give us the "unrated, uncut, extended, special edition" right off the bat!

  • May 22, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Yep, seeing it again was a great nostalgia trip...

    by Han Cholo

    The scene where Rambo comes up behind the Burmese soldier and liquifies him and mows down the rest of the bad guys WAS a transcendental moment that I have not experienced with action film for a LONG time. I would have liked to have seen a deeper, longer film with some more character development but what we got here was awesome. I was cheering when Rambo was kicking ass and I don't do that often.

  • May 22, 2008, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Rambo = antidote to sex and the city

    by messi

    that's how i feel like a man goddamit.

  • May 22, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    You insufferable prick Memories

    by Lost Jarv

    Listen, cocksucker, how many times do I have to tell you this. When people say "best" they mean "my favourite". This isn't hard- why can you not seem to understand this? Also, having a different opinion to yours does not make someone stupid. <P>On the other hand, I can say as a student of the holy scriptures of the Church of Chang that Evil Dead 1 is not the best of the series, and anyone that thinks it is is a sanctimonious little fungus infested clit-ring with delusions of grandeur and an overinflated sense of their own worth. Evil Dead 1 has the strongest horror content of the three, but lacks the humour, charm, arse-kickingness, brilliant central character, and quotable script that its sequels have.

  • May 22, 2008, 3:45 a.m. CST

    and that is not opinion it is fact

    by Lost Jarv

    HAIL TO THE KING BABY!!!!!

  • May 22, 2008, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Rambo V: Rambo n' da Hood.

    by kirttrik

    My God, people said Rambo was violent but, Jesus. That clip made me actually want to see this simply for shock value.

  • May 22, 2008, 4:39 a.m. CST

    It won't be racist, but he will save a blond woman.

    by kirttrik

  • May 22, 2008, 6:53 a.m. CST

    I was going to buy

    by Dazzler69

    but now I have to wait for sp ed.

  • May 22, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    I know what you meant, Vern...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...but I'm serious. Look at the movie again. It's a bit difficult to see in the rain, but Rambo and his team do rescue Karen prisoners as well, albeit only a few.

  • May 22, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Rambo was the shit!!!!!! loved it!!!!

    by geodesigns

  • May 22, 2008, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Vern, you have finally lost me.

    by Knuckleduster

    I think expectation got the better of you. How you manage to get excited over the average Seagal movie, but left disappointed with Rambo... That's just beyond my understanding. Rambo was a perfect balance of character study and hardcore action, in my opinion. But hey, it takes all kinds.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    So V E R N, what did you think?

    by ABking

    ...about SKULLS?

  • May 22, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    No, I said bring me the BIG squibs.

    by Iowa Snot Client

    Overheard on the set.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Dannyglovers...

    by Knuckleduster

    Nope. I just can't do it anymore, man. I've been fooled into watching a Seagal movie twice in the past couple of years. I've learned my lesson. No more for me, thanks.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Nice and quiet over on this TB

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    That new Indy TB is insane.<p>Didn't make that connection before today about Vern taking issue with elements in Rambo and yet being a huge Seagal fan.<p>Last Seagal movie I saw was with DMX and I thought it was trash. Has he put out anything good recently I should watch?

  • May 22, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    I think you are the first person who has never

    by just pillow talk

    seen any part of a Rocky movie Boromir. Danny boy is right, it was impossible not to run across a Rocky movie at least 50 times a year.

  • May 22, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    I haven't even gone over to that TB Hawaiian

    by just pillow talk

    I don't want to know anything about Indy. I hope to see it tomorrow or over the weekend and make the judgment for myself.

  • May 22, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    I'll be seeing it on Saturday

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    So here's hoping. But Abom, whose opinion I trust more than say, Harry's, was not glowing about it at all. Curious to see what you, Danny, BSB and Jarv will think of it.

  • May 22, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    stay strong Danny!

    by just pillow talk

    I just wish there were some other active threads to post to. I certainly don't want to read any of the vile postings from Braneballs in the Waco thread.

  • May 22, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    that's a great fucking Seagal quote!

    by just pillow talk

    So Danny, is Pistol Whipped better than Exit Wounds or Half Past Dead? I have to admit I haven't seen all his recent DTV stuff...

  • May 22, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Hawaiian...

    by just pillow talk

    Just to be upfront with you, I'll probably be much more forgiving than others when it comes to the new Indy film. I guess I'm an Indy loving scum!

  • May 22, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Only Indy can save the Indians,,,

    by Supermans

    Well, in Temple of Doom, Indy did save everybody that was being killed and tortured in the Temple.. And he saved a young chinese kid and a Blonde female as well.. I guess Rambo never watched that movie.. ;) I happened to think John Rambo was an OK movie at best, with little suspense throughout and no plot twists. Had Rambo been captured and tortured in the middle of the film, or his entire team been captured and he had to save them along with everyone else all by himself... it would have been more unbelievable but at least it would have felt more like a Rambo movie. The blood and gore after awhile was just comical. It looked like the Wiered Al Yankovic parody he made all those years ago. Including the whole scene on on the Jeep with the Gatling gun.. If had he done more sneaking around in the mud and in tunnels as he did in the third film, and so forth, it would have been better.. My favorite scene and one that gave me hope this would be a good movie was the boat scene where he kills all the men on the boat rather quickly to save the day. This scene had some tension in it and to me was the only tension.. Overall, I enjoyed the Rambo movie a lot more than the new Indy flick I saw last night...

  • May 22, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    wow...Seagalastic praise indeed....

    by just pillow talk

    So it's better than Out for Justice?

  • May 22, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Anybody seen Richie?

    by just pillow talk

    I'm going to keep coming back until someone remembers seeing Richie.

  • May 22, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    never got through watching Rainmaker

    by just pillow talk

    Probably never will...<p>BTW, caught most of Blood Diamond again last night. I much prefer Leonardo's performance in that versus the Departed.

  • May 22, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    I'm in your camp with Departed Danny....

    by just pillow talk

    I felt the performances were disappointing, too over-the-top, almost comical to me. Jack should never, ever play a mafia boss, and the ending in the elevator makes me laugh with everyone getting popped in the head.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    The Departed should never, ever have been made

    by Lost Jarv

    and it hurts me that Scorcese made it. <P>Just watch Infernal Affairs- it's a lot better.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    The Elevator bit

    by Lost Jarv

    is straight from Infernal Affairs, but the actual ending of IA is so much better

  • May 22, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    No Country

    by Lost Jarv

    Nope, didn't grab me either. Frankly, I thought it was a bit dull.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Lip ripping goodness

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    OK, you sold me, I'll add Pistol Whipped to my queue.<p>I thought Blood Diamond was good. Not excellent but Leo played a different character for a change. And it didn't tiptoe around the brutality like Hotel Rwanda did.<p>I love Under Siege and even the sequel was cheesy goodness.<p>The Departed wasn't bad but Best Picture? Uh-uh. Been over a decade I think since the Academy got that one right.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    I thought it was with a "c"

    by Lost Jarv

    but I can't Spel Gud.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Fucking Memories of Murder

    by Lost Jarv

    the Bastard has killed the Mori TB stone dead with 3 collosal posts. <P>What a cunt. You know who he is? He's the bastard that stands in the corner of the pub and berates people not fast enough to get away on the complete history of British Rail from inception to privitisation- including all mind-numbing details in the subject. And when your eyes start to glaze over the cunt then starts screaming at you for being too stupid to understand.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    I've never seen Infernal Affairs...sigh...

    by just pillow talk

    But if it's in there as well, unless it's handled better, I'll find that comical as well.<p>And Under Siege 2 is quite cheesy, but yet enjoyable nonetheless. Travis Dane is the man!

  • May 22, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    yeah, I saw those posts Jarv...

    by just pillow talk

    and he's on top of the world right now cause he's had a captive audience. I'm not going to attack him, I just wait until he reverts to whacking people who's opinion differs from his own...like above.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    no, and he's been okay with me....

    by just pillow talk

    but his posts earlier in this thread using his condescending tones towards a talkbacker with whom he didn't agree with, that's how he was all the time. Before he had his "time-out".<p>When he spouts bullshit like that, I cannot refrain from saying something.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Danny- this is what M-O-M is like:

    by Lost Jarv

    1) "It's even a branch of the philosophy of perception and of knowledge, as so well structure by Emmanuel Kant." Most pretentious sentence ever put on TB- and it's had some competition. <P>2)"i see people do simplistic acessements based on nothing else but their own self-indulgence. This goes triple bad when they have the balls to consider themselves movie geeks/fans/whatever. That is just not cool." Condescending prick <P>3)"I cannot say anything about INTO THE WILD given that i haven't seen it yet. But i have no doubt that it's a very good movie, one of the best of last year" Hypocrite prick. I especially likes where he says that he can't comment because he hasn't seen it and then, erm, comments. <P>4)"i can't think of anybody who claims to love cinema and not like, at least, the first EVIL DEAD. That would be just stupid" Again, judging intelligence based on taste. <P>And these are just some exanmples from this TB. He's a cunt.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    It took me ages to drive him away

    by Lost Jarv

    the breaking point was his love of AvP:R- just wait till he starts on Transformers. <P>Pillows- infernal affairs is about 1471 times better than The Departed, and the Elevator bit is a lot better. Plus the dude playing the "jack" part is fucking lots better,

  • May 22, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I know what you are saying Danny....

    by just pillow talk

    and yes, Jarv is predisposed to attacking M-O-M, while I prefer to wait until he makes statements like Jarv just mentioned before calling him out on it.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    I'll have to eventually check it out Jarv

    by just pillow talk

    I'm thinking I may want to try the netflix box at some point once they get the recent stuff to play on it. It sounds much more appealing than the current mailing process that I canceled.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    I just can't stand him

    by Lost Jarv

    He's a snotty patronising bastard. I know I look like a dick for it, but I always think it is better to stop him. For example, he's been stopped in his tracks- hence a TB about Seagal, Rambo, the Departed etc. Interesting and concise posts. Look at what he did to the Mori TB. when he gets going you get essays, the sole purpose of which is to demonstrate his colossal intellect. It's far better to stop him.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I sort of agree with 4 as well,

    by Lost Jarv

    but in a different way, and this is important. The distinction that I would make is between being stupid and acting stupidly. To make such a claim about Evil Dead is to act/ say something stupid, but he thinks it warrants a seat on the special bus.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    LOL Jarv

    by just pillow talk

    "when he gets going you get essays, the sole purpose of which is to demonstrate his colossal intellect. It's far better to stop him."<p>Me, I just ignore his essays when they are not directed at anyone. He can write his books if he must, I'll just skip over them.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    So I should

    by Lost Jarv

    back to the Departed- best thing about it: Mark Wahlberg. And it surprised me to say that. <P>The Ending was such a fucking mess- In IA when the confrontation takes place at the top of the tower it is a gripping piece of cinema, whereas in The Departed it falls flat. <P>And triads are way scarier than bostonians.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    hmm...I think because

    by just pillow talk

    he didn't seem so over the top in the Departed. And yes, the ending to me was just rolling along, with no impact whatsoever. I really tried to like it, even watching it more than once. I didn't find Leo very believable in that role either. The whole Baldwin character...while it had some funny lines, I just don't think it worked. It should have been far more dramatic...2 guys going undercover on the opposite sides...I didn't feel the drama.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Missed that

    by Lost Jarv

    Funnily enough IA2 is meant to be better, but I just didn't feel it the same way I did with IA. <P>There's a whole rash of Hong Kong/ Japanese gang movies that fucking rock- just be very careful if you see the name Miike on the box. You might end up with Visitor Q and that is too be avoided like the plague.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    My beef with Memories

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Was his statement yesterday about anyone not thinking TWBB and NCFOM were the two best pictures last year is a moron with zero taste.<p>He does nave some good points from time to time but he needs to find something other than a soapbox to stand on.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    He needs to remove the cock from his arse

    by Lost Jarv

    and the wax from his ears before he posts. He does have some points of merit, but he's a snotty little bastard- just wait until he starts being rude about America and how they can't use English (but he learnt English from a native!).

  • May 22, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I never saw that one either....

    by just pillow talk

    Joaquin is good in it?

  • May 22, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    IA2

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Bored me to sleep. Loved the first but that series took a dive when they decided the story needed further development.<p>You want solid cinema about the Triads? Election 1 & 2. Johnnie To at his best.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Not a big Joaquin fan

    by Lost Jarv

    didn't like Signs, Gladiator, or Walk the Line. <P>I'm being controversial today. <P>I think with Walk the Line my feelings were coloured by the nagging feeling that I'd seen this story before done much better. And I don't like Reese Witherspoon as a rule (although I do like Cruel Intentions and Election).

  • May 22, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Election 1 and 2

    by Lost Jarv

    Fucking great. IA3 was pants as well.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    They went the wrong way with IA

    by Lost Jarv

    they did what shall forever be called "lucas-itis" and decided that showing us every buggers background in an overblown prequel was a good idea. It never is.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Joaquin ain't bad

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    But there's a car chase scene in it that's so chaotic and shot from an entirely new perspective (car chase wise), it deserves a spot in the time capsule.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    let's see...

    by just pillow talk

    I liked the first 3/4 or so of Signs. Sue me.<p>I love Gladiator. <p>Never wanted to see Walk the Line. The status quo won't change.<p>Reese is annoying as hell, and even if she does something good, it cannot erase the legally blonde shit she did before.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    To be fair,

    by Lost Jarv

    in all those films I just mentioned, I didn't like them but not because of him. I did like Buffalo Soldiers (I think that is the right one).

  • May 22, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    the car chase in We Own the Night....

    by just pillow talk

    How's it compare to Ronin? I love Ronin. I miss you DeNiro.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    And I'm out of the Indy TB until I see it on Saturday

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    We Own the Night has very interesting cinematography. There's a prevailing washed out effect that is used appropriately and made me think of Kaminski once or twice.<p>That Indy looks like it'll be epic numbers wise.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Ronin? Now you're talking

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    That movie was the tits. The exchange scene under the bridge still ranks as one of the highest on my Pucker Meter.<p>Loved Gladiator too even though I realize that factually it's f-ed.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Danny...

    by just pillow talk

    Now you've piqued my interest with that car chase scene. One of these days I really gotta check it out.<p>I try and disregard the whole "swing away" with the Alien thing. I really don't think they needed to show the whole alien at the end there. The dynamic between the family was more than interesting enough on it's own. <p>The only one of M. Night's that I love through and through is Unbreakable. I do like the Sixth Sense, it's just not a movie I rewatch. The Village...well, not sure how I feel about that one. I've only seen it once. I'd say I'm meh on that one. And I never saw Lady in the Water.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I love when he attacks Sean Bean with

    by just pillow talk

    the coffee cup.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    "Swing Away"

    by Lost Jarv

    Where's my bucket? Oh, there it is, be right back.... <p>*BLEURRRRRRRRRRRGH* <p>Sorry what were we saying?

  • May 22, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    I like Ronin

    by Lost Jarv

    Whatever happened to Deniro? <P>Maybe Tarantino could do some career salvage for himself and Deniro

  • May 22, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    off home

    by Lost Jarv

    have fun, chaps.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Aw, take it easy on M-O-M, guys.

    by Knuckleduster

    English is his second language, so he probably just copies and pastes the shit he finds on the interwebs. To be fair, English isn't my first language either, but at least I don't sound like Borat.<p> Hawaiian, you're right about Johnny To's triad movies. I fuckin love the first Election. Guess I should find the time for Election 2, but the first had such a great ending that I'm almost afraid the sequel will disappoint. It probably won't, though.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:12 p.m. CST

    What's the color of the boathouse at Hereford?!

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    That movie had pitch perfect dialogue.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    what the hell does dinero say...

    by just pillow talk

    when he says he was tortured before? They gave him...a grasshopper? They say what's that..and then he tells him how to make the drink. classic.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Knuckleduster

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Election 2 might even have been better. I need to watch them both again.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    "You ever kill anyone?"

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I hurt somebody's feelings once.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Going to have to put in Ronin again

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I really had forgotten about the dialogue.<p>No offense to the current crop of screenwriters winning awards but "Honest to blog" can't compete with "It covers my body."

  • May 22, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Ronin has got so much great stuff in it...

    by just pillow talk

    I love when they are at the hotel lobby where they Russians are staying, and he leans the sign against the suitcases to see how they'll react when the sign hits the ground. Snap away Bobby!

  • May 22, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    And the "firecrackers" in the plant bed

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    It's a perfect movie. OK, near perfect. They killed Katerina Witt. Back in the 90s I wanted her to bear my children.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    that movie had balls...

    by just pillow talk

    kill the ice skater. Gregor shot in the head when he thinks he's in control.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    love when Dinero is telling them how to remove

    by just pillow talk

    the bullet. If it's okay with you, I'm going to pass out now.

  • May 22, 2008, 12:52 p.m. CST

    what do you want for Christmas?

    by just pillow talk

    My two front teeth.

  • May 22, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST

    hmm...I only caught the end of Last Crusade

    by just pillow talk

    on Sunday, so I missed that part. I don't seem to remember the X changing on the floor though.<p>It really must just be me, but I like all of them. Why the fuck do I want to put down any of the first three when I love them all to varying degrees?

  • May 22, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST

    and that tank scene is still fucking great...

    by just pillow talk

    love every minute of it.

  • May 22, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    to AB King

    by Vern

    Okay, I am now prepared to answer your ranking of the returns to old franchises challenge. I'll only talk vaguely about Skulls so nobody who hasn't seen it yet gets spoiled. And this isn't easy so nobody get mad at me. I do not subscribe to the Memories of Murder Theory of Scientifically Measuring Artistic Quality Levels so I'm just going by my own criteria here. And all of these I've only seen once except for LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD which I've seen 3 times and kind of worn out, so this could totally change after watching them again.<p> For the all around best addition to its series I am gonna go with ROCKY BALBOA. I'm not sure it was the one I had the most fun with but it's the one I was most impressed by, the one that seemed most worth doing all these years later. I really felt like that character was what the original Rocky Balboa would become, a funny old man. He even looks like he's been punched in the face too many times. I like how it's a direct sequel to the first one and stays pretty down to earth and character driven. It's moving and inspiring.<p> In second place I think I'm gonna go with Skulls. It does have some clunkiness to it and and personally I prefer the slightly less jokey tone of part 1 to the goofball shit in all three sequels, but this movie was a hell of alot of fun mainly because of the three or four classic extended action sequences. It's funny because I never worshipped Spielberg the way alot of people do but these days he's about the only one holding the torch for the art of staging exciting action sequences. He needs to sit down his buddy Michael Bay and some of these other guys and teach them shot-by-shot what he's doing in these chase scenes.<p> Then I would put LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD and I know people will give me shit for putting it higher than RAMBO. RAMBO is definitely more pure, it doesn't have the ratings issue or a wisecracking sidekick and because RAMBO movies don't have to come up with a new twist each time, just a new jungle, it doesn't feel as much like a part 4. And now that I think about it and remember the Kevin Smith scenes I almost want to move this below RAMBO. But to be honest LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD was just more enjoyable for me on the first viewing. It was so great to see wiseass McClane back and do see that stupid Dungeons and Dragons guy direct some exciting action sequences like the District B13 guy attacking in the alley, the fight with Maggie Q, etc. (Also keep in mind I'm more into DIE HARD than RAMBO, more into an underdog fighting in an urban environment than a super soldier fighting in a jungle.)<p> Next I will go with RAMBO which I liked and look forward to seeing again. Sly was great but I'm way more a fan of FIRST BLOOD than the sequels so I wanted a little more leaning toward that type of movie. It's a refreshing return to old school action (plus CGI blood) but held up to those classics like PREDATOR and what not it doesn't build and escalate and thrill like the best do in my opinion. There are many things I love about it but also many things that could've improved it, for example if the team of mercenaries were a classic DIRTY DOZEN team of great badass characters. They weren't bad but I don't remember any of them.<p> And last I will put T3, but that's not really a diss. I actually did not watch this in a theater because I didn't want somebody besides James Cameron to make a TERMINATOR movie, and I was also kind of mad at Schwarzenegger at that time for becoming a politician. But when I watched it later with low expectations I enjoyed it. Some of that comic relief is deadly but I loved the fight in the bathroom and the chase scene and the twist at the end. It's better than many big summer movies in recent years but not really worthy of the series and kind of pissed me off when I later read that Cameron wanted to do T3 at one point but those Vajna and Kassar guys or whatever they're called bought the rights out of the blue and ruined that chance.<p> Anyway thanks AB. Are you gonna rank them now? I want to see your take.

  • May 22, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Danny.. a valid point

    by just pillow talk

    You're right, they probably felt the need to do some 'splaing, that's why they didn't have Indy just take off. But really, Indy would have just gone at a drop of a hat (oh no, which hat!?!).

  • May 22, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    hmmmm.....

    by just pillow talk

    If Vern says that it's #2 on that list, I'm pretty psyched. I haven't seen Rambo, so I can't speak to that one. But if it's in between Rocky Balboa (which I thought was great) and DH4 (which I enjoyed and wished besides not having the Smith scene, not having the jet/truck crappy over-the-top scene), then I'll be more than satisfied with Indy 4.

  • May 22, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Danny...

    by just pillow talk

    Vern was comparing the latest entries to legendary franchises: Rocky, Rambo, Terminator, Die Hard, Indy, and ranking those latest movies in order of preference.

  • May 22, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    oh, and there's no spoilers

    by just pillow talk

    So no worries...

  • May 22, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    As for this Seagal business

    by Vern

    I realize this is something I'll have to deal with forever now, but the "how could you not like SUCH AND SUCH when you like Steven Seagal movies?" business doesn't make much sense if you ask me. If there's somebody that only enjoys one thing I don't want to talk to that guy. So you can use that argument on any worthwhile person. "Why did you say this cake was too rich, and yet you enjoyed your mashed potatoes during dinner?" Seagal and Stallone are two different guys working in different styles with different histories. And I have different expectations for Sylevester Stallone coming back and finally doing a fourth Rambo movie than I do for Steven Seagal doing his fourth DTV movie in a year. And if you don't then you are silly. I'm looking for different things in those movies and although to me PISTOL WHIPPED fulfills the potential of Seagal DTV better than RAMBO does the potential of returning to that character after all these years, I would not recommend PISTOL WHIPPED over RAMBO. And although I'm glad to see PISTOL WHIPPED talked up here I actually don't agree that you should see it, because I think you'd hold it to the standards of his studio classics like OUT FOR JUSTICE and it doesn't stand up to that at all, it's a different animal.<p> And the other thing is, if anybody's genuinely scratching their head about what I see in Seagal then you're in luck, there is a book about exactly that topic which you will be able to buy for about ten bucks starting June 10th. Hooray! Everybody wins!

  • May 22, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    it depends...

    by just pillow talk

    Did you have gravy with your mashed potatoes? Makes all the difference in the world.<p>Can we steal "Memories of Murder Theory of Scientifically Measuring Artistic Quality Levels"? I think that's as apt a description of M-O-M as we'll come across.

  • May 22, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD.....

    by travis-dane

  • May 22, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD.....

    by travis-dane

    You can preorder "Seagalogy" on Amazon.....

  • May 22, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    a "DTVer" has been spotted!

    by just pillow talk

    When will you guys launch another DTV thread upon the world again?

  • May 22, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    I'm still going to see Pistol Whipped

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Look, even I realize that on many levels, Under Siege 2 was so campy and over-the-top, in another dimension I'd call it sht. But it had everything I want in an action movie: a great villain that chews the scenery, a bunch of military guys who look like buffoons, implausible physics and some of the greatest deaths ever put to film.<p>Vern, if I came off as being a jackhole, I apologize. I enjoy Seagal's oeuvre as much as the next action geek, save for a few clunkers. I just found it odd that someone who takes such great joy in that cheesy goodness would take an issue with anything in Rambo. But you're right, Stallone and Seagal bring two very different sets of expectations to the table.

  • May 22, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    so then Danny....

    by just pillow talk

    Do you love I Come in Peace? Universal Soldier? Solo? No Escape? Cyborg? Tango & Cash? Commando?<p>I love that cheesy shit...

  • May 22, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    you got it Danny!

    by just pillow talk

    I think I need to own that one.<p>Later dude.

  • May 22, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    NO you MUST listen to the CRITICS!

    by Johnno

    They told you Speed Racer was shit and you listened to them. They're told you Rambo is shit, therefore you've got no choice but to listen to them! There is no room to disagree! What Rotten Tomatoes tells you is the undeniable truth!

  • May 22, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    No Escape

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Is that the one that starts off with Liotta shooting some dignitary in the head? I haven't seen that since the theater.<p>You guys need to throw more of these forgotten titles at me. I have GOT to expand my action cheese collection.<p>Rambo was depressing in retrospect. Hadn't looked at it that way, Danny. All those pricks were mowed down but Burma is still infested with evil suppressing good.

  • May 22, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    So we done here?

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Second highest TB but we're struggling to keep up. Why doesn't Vern come back and check in on us?<p>If it wasn't for the NBA game tonight, I'd pop in Ronin and a Seagal movie.

  • May 22, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    No Escape is great stuff.....

    by travis-dane

    I love that movie!Ray Liotta is a serious BADASS in that one!

  • May 22, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    just pillow talk....

    by travis-dane

  • May 22, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    just pillow talk.....(i hate the "enter" button!)....

    by travis-dane

    After the "powers to be" shut us down,we fucked off into the Zone....

  • May 22, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Cliffhanger!

    by travis-dane

    Sly uses a Bad Guy as a sled and tears off the Face of the dude while doing so.....thats great shit!

  • May 22, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    just checking in, Hawaii

    by Vern

    DannyGlovers_DickBlood has a good point. (I am proud that I just typed that sentence.) I do appreciate Stallone's sincerity about the movie but I feel a little creepy getting pumped up for an action movie that starts with a montage of actual war atrocities. There's something to be said for a more fun tone in action movies, but Stallone's approach is completely legitimate too.<p> If you are looking for cheesy action greatness I highly recommend STONE COLD starring Brian Bosworth as a cop who goes undercover in a biker gang led by Lance Henriksen and William Forsythe. I have recommended this to many friends and they are almost always blown away by it. It's one of the few ridiculous action movies that pretty much lives up to how ridiculous you hope it's gonna get. For example, there's a scene where Bosworth dodges a motorcycle which flies out a window, collides with a helicopter, the helicopter explodes, then it falls and lands on a car and the car explodes.<p> The director is Craig R. Baxley, who also did ACTION JACKSON and I COME IN PEACE. Before that he was a stunt guy who choreographed the fights for THE WARRIORS and was second unit director on PREDATOR. So he's one of the unsung heroes of action movies.

  • May 22, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Cliffhanger is a classic

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Up until that time, I think Cliffhanger was the most fun I'd ever had at an action movie.<p>John Lithgow? Awesome villain.<p>And the stunts were epic.<p>I bought the special edition. I should see how it looks on the ol' HD projector.

  • May 22, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    STONE COLD!!!

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Hell yeah, love that movie. I was so glad when they finally released it on DVD last year. Lance Henrickson mowing down the judges dressed as a priest? Ballsy as hell.<p>It was a cardboard performance but I never understood why the Boz didn't get another big budget offer afterwards. He was perfect in that role.

  • May 22, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    STONE COLD fucking rawks!

    by travis-dane

    Produced by Michael Douglas!He thought Brian Bosworth is next Big thing........well he was wrong,but the movie KICKS ASS!

  • May 22, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    This movie was easily the best of 80's return

    by THENIPPLESOFGOD

    I mean shit! that one scene pretty much sums it up

  • May 22, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    THENIPPLESOFGOD & DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by travis-dane

    <p>in one TB.....<p>I love it!<p>

  • May 22, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    TO VERN...WHAT ABKING thinks!

    by ABking

    VERN, thanks for your opinion. Nice read. This is how I see it and I will mention LETHAL WEAPON 4...even without CAMERON I liked T3 alot. The KING OF THE WORLD would have donE it differently but...heck it was still a solid film. ROCKY BALBOA and RAMBO are great entries to the series of films. LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD and LETHAL WEAPON 4 are on par. Lots of good and some bad. More so for LETHAL 4 which had alot of bad. And now this is what I thought of SKULLS ---Just saw JONES and all I have to say is ACME INC! Jones has become a "BUGS BUNNY CARTOON" character. "SKULLS" is 50/50 for me. I guess I liked many many things in this film, but then there are many many things in it that left me stupified. Now I remember what it felt like to see THE LOST WORLD back in 1997. Ok...the theater wasn't packed, but it had a decent amount of people in it so that was good. Once the LUCAS logo came on screen it felt like the 80's again. The opening with the "kind of" drag race was really good and the intro to Indiana Jones was great. Ford is awesome as Jones. This is the Harrison Ford I love to watch on the big screen. Once the action begins in the wearhouse I was excited and not disappointed. Ford sure can fight and looks believable doing so. Great action scene. Spalko wasn't bad as some have said. When we first meet her I wanted to see what this character was going to be like. In the end she was 50/50. Not great but not a bad character either. I hated Ray Winstone and his "Jonesy line" Such a waste. Ok, so the first big action scene was great and then we get the "BUGS BUNNY" scene when Jones survives a nuclear blast by hiding in a fridge? huh. Jones is indistructable in this film and I don't mean like he was in the other films. This is something different or it feels different. ACME INC. ACME INC. Ford, or was that Dr. Richard Kimble, is accused of being some sort of traitor to his country. OK! That idea is dropped fast and never heard of again? Probably a good thing. Jim Broadband (sp) makes a forgettable appearance and we don't see him again until the end. A waste. The plot was a bit confusing and sometimes I WAS WONDERING WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. Sometimes I didn't care. It was nice seeing Connery's pic in this as well as Brody's statue. Both were good. I liked the intro to Shia. Nice Brando homage. The bike chase was nice...but again "BUGS BUNNY" JONES. Still nice action scene. Shia calls Jones "80 years old and old man" in this several times just to remind us that Ford is old ::) :o ::) Shia and Jones go to some prison (yawn) and then some temple (this scene was silly). and then blah blah blah. Jones gets captured again and we are re-introduced to Karen "I havn't aged well" Allen. I was shocked when I looked at her. She looked so young and pretty in the pics on the net. Sad to say ILM must have touched up those pics. We are also introduced to John Hurt, the babbling idiot. I was shocked that a great actor like Hurt was reduced to babbling and babbling and acting like a crazy idiot. We get a Jones snake scene that was just plain ok, not bad, but just ok. Now for the BIG ACTION SCENE. This is what gets me. SPIELBERG is an action sequence GOD just like CAMERON. This scene was 50/50 for me. There was ALOT of great stuff in this scene, but just as many WTF moments. Shia getting hit in the nuts; Shia acting like a monkey, the scarab beatles from The Mummy, I mean red ants make an appearance and Shia and Spalko sword fighting. WTF moments indeed. I loved when Ford fired the rocket launcher and when Ford was fighting the russain guy and beats him really good. Loved those moments. But then Karen Allen decideds "hey we are in a bugs bunny cartoon" so lets drive off a mountain, land on a BIG tree limb and have it slap the bad guys in the face. I'M NOT KIDDING ABOUT THIS! The ACME sequence continues as Jones and family survive three death defying drops. That was a bit much... We end up at a cave where out of a SCOOBY DOO cartoon you see someones eyes behind a statue wall. This scene is so POINTLESS and the cave men are so non-threatening that I was just sitting there waiting for the next scene. We end up at the big finale and it involves ALIENS. ok. What was the point of the plot again, honestly. I have to see this film again to see if it all holds up because right now I like some of it and had major problems with alot. I LOVE RAIDERS, TEMPLE and CRUSADE and think they are PERFECT films. SKULL feels like something else entirely. People clapped at the end which is a good sign, but I was left saying to my little brother...that was good but. I wanted to LOVE this film. I give it 2 and a half stars!

  • May 22, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with my name?

    by THENIPPLESOFGOD

  • May 22, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Thenipplesofgod loves you to my son!

    by THENIPPLESOFGOD

    There will be a place in movie geek heaven for you my son!

  • May 22, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Danny

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I only saw Abom in the Indy TB but then again, I only went in there once and early this morning. Who knows what that sucker looks like now.

  • May 22, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    rambo=best 4th intsallment ever

    by Prossor

    agreed on best 80s comeback. puts the others to such shame like indy4 and diehard4

  • May 22, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    LETHAL WEAPON 4 was a let down as well!

    by ABking

    :(

  • May 23, 2008, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Danny

    by Lost Jarv

    The difference is- the puke gag was (at least I think) an obvious joke and summed up my reaction to that film. I didn't question anyone else for liking it nor did I make out that anyone else was stupid. <P>Big difference. <P>Also, Best 4th Installment ever: Leprechaun in Space. You know this to be true!

  • May 23, 2008, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Nice one, Lost Jarv

    by Knuckleduster

    Always great to find a fellow Leprechaun fan. We should start that Leprechaun vs. Chucky project one of these days.<p> As for the Seagal/Rambo comparisons. Yeah, they are very completely different and shouldn't be judged by the same standards. Neither should Meet The Spartans and The Godfather, but if anyone ever tells me he prefers Meet The Spartans I think my heart will give in (and no, I'm not comparing Rambo to The Godfather). I can certainly understand that Seagal is more fun and ridiculous, but I don't want that from a new Rambo movie. I actually take that character quite seriously.<p> Anyway, Seagal's just not my cup of tea. I can crack open a few cans and enjoy the hell out of Norris, Schwarzenegger, Lundgren and even Van Damme. But Seagal leaves me cold, man.<p> Just pillow talk, I Come In Peace! I haven't thought of that movie in decades! Gonna go buy that fucker right now. Thanks for naming that one.

  • May 23, 2008, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Dark Angel-

    by Lost Jarv

    best pay off line ever: <P>"I come in peace" <P>"Yeah, but go in pieces" <P>I love the premise of that- Intergalactic drug baron trolling round injecting people with massive heroin OD's to harvest their brain fluid. Fucking Genius. <P>Golden rule for a successful fourth installment- set it in space/ With aliens: Lep, Critters, Indy, all successful number 4's (I hope about Indy) and all are stellar rather than Earthbound. <P>Sucky number 4's: Halloween, Die Hard, Friday 13th, Death Wish, Superman, Batman, Nightmare on Elm St- all basically rehashed the things the earlier ones did and failed. <P>I don't know where Alien fits in there because it is 2/3rd's good.

  • May 23, 2008, 6:33 a.m. CST

    I've never seen Alien Resurrection from start

    by just pillow talk

    to finish. From what I saw, I guess I must have seen the 1/3.....

  • May 23, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Anyone around?

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    That Indy TB is still insane so I'll avoid it if possible. Anyone see the movie yet?

  • May 23, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    not yet Hawaiian...

    by just pillow talk

    I'll be going this afternoon since my office is closing early...wa-hoo!

  • May 23, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Be sure to post your opinion

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    So I know whether to go see it with one beer in me or six.

  • May 23, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Hola HOD, JPT

    by toadkillerdog

    I saw it last night. I was disappointed. <p> I will spare you the details. <p> One of the best criteria I have for how enjoyable a movie is, is whether or not I would pay to see it again.<p> So far this summer, I would pay full price to see Iron Man again, half price to see Speed racer again, and would not pay to see Indy IV. And that is very sad.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Couldn't pay me to watch Speed Racer

    by Lost Jarv

    I've no interest in the subject matter, the visuals make my brain bleed and if I want to beat off to Christina Ricci I'll rent Black Snake Moan again. <P>I would pay to see Iron Man again and remain cautiously optimistic about Indy, although the Evening Standard gave it 3 out of 5 yesterday which worries me, because that dippy bitch is never right.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Anyhoo

    by Lost Jarv

    I'm getting smashed and going to the midnight showing of DOOMSDAY (which is the one I've been looking forward to most- even avoiding all spoilers, and I don't give a fuck if anyone thinks it blows. It's Neil Marshall doing post-apocalyptic thriller.) Provided it does what it says on the tin I'll be a happy drunkard. <P>The bastard wants to explain why we've got to wait 2 months longer than the rest of the world though. It's a fucking BRITISH film for Christ's sake.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    I will Hawiian...

    by just pillow talk

    And I echo Jarv's sentiment, I'm still hopeful that I'll enjoy Indy 4.<p>And I would most definitely go see Iron Man again. <p>Since I was never into Speed Racer to begin with I wasn't going to see it anyway. And the trailers have done nothing to change my mind on that.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST

    I've got good feelings about Doomsday

    by just pillow talk

    I think it'll be stupid-foolish-crazy-makes-no-sense fun.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    C'mon Jarv

    by toadkillerdog

    All we are saying, is give Speed a chance!<p> Sing it with me! LOL

  • May 23, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    I'd much rather since Narnia II than Speed Racer

    by just pillow talk

    Hands down.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    what's wrong with me today...

    by just pillow talk

    much rather see not since<p>Picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    I'd rather watch Memories-of-Murder

    by Lost Jarv

    lecture on Abstract cinema and the rise of postmodernism than Speed Racer.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    I'd much rather watch BraneRobot

    by Lost Jarv

    try to break his personal best for reassambling an automatic weapon that Speed racer.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    I hear there's gonna be an audio tape....

    by just pillow talk

    "Memories of Murder Theory of Scientifically Measuring Artistic Quality Levels: How you too can make sure your opinion is the only one that matters."

  • May 23, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    greatglam.com

    by just pillow talk

    I believe that is honest to gosh advertising. Those fun bags are in 3D.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by toadkillerdog

    You need to get to that pub - pronto!

  • May 23, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    LOL Pillows

    by Lost Jarv

    That's a good one. I wish I'd thought of it. <P>Where's Dannyboy?

  • May 23, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    That's Vern's from above Jarv

    by just pillow talk

    Vern is da man!

  • May 23, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    perhaps Danny boy is watching some action cheese

    by just pillow talk

    right now? I think he said above that he was seeing Indy last night.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    1 hour and 20mins of miserable work left

    by Lost Jarv

    should be fine

  • May 23, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    I got 3.5 hours of wonder and awe left at work

    by just pillow talk

    Plenty of time to declare pencil jihad on the Legal department. And 4.5 hours until Indy.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Vern is da MAN!

    by Lost Jarv

    That's brilliant and neatly summarises what a tit memories is.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Jarv and TKD

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Sorry you had to wait so long to have Doomsday open. I hope it lives up to your expectations. You going in with a belly full of ale or something stronger like scotch?<p>Toad, sorry to hear about your thoughts on the movie. 24 hours from now I'll be seeing the Lucasfilm logo and I'll either share your pain or Harry's happiness.<p>If time permits I'll see Iron Man afterwards but Speed Racer will have to wait until another day as the guys want to cram in some drinking and MarioKart tomorrow as well. Should be a day to tell the grandkids about.<p>Jarv, hearing you makes me want to go back to England. Best trip I ever had.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    this pretty much sums up Braneballs....

    by just pillow talk

    "Spidey 3 best of the trilogy... If only because it was the least boring of the three. It's still not a good movie, but the whole trilogy was terrible. I rank them 3, 1, then 2. Spidey 2 was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. So long and terrible, and nothing in Spidey 3 is as bad as that Raindrops sequence. Not to mention Doc Ock being able to withstand punches from Spidey. So stupid and awful. Oh yeah, and putting out a mini-sun by....dropping it in water! Lamer than anything in 3. # felt like a comic, the others felt like crap."<p>Immediate response by mr_sinister7381: <p>"You are a fucking retard."

  • May 23, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Hope you get to Iron Man Hawaiian...

    by just pillow talk

    That movie is fun as hell.<p>I've never been to England, just passed through. I personally love Italy and Austria/Germany wasn't bad either.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Series7

    OK so you couldn't wait to Doomsday..... but you have no interest in seeing Speed Racer???? I don't understand this philosophy?

  • May 23, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Series7

    OK so you couldn't wait to Doomsday..... but you have no interest in seeing Speed Racer???? I don't understand this philosophy?

  • May 23, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    We don't have a legal department

    by Lost Jarv

    or it might be on my list of duties <P>*Scuttles away to check JOb description* <P>Thank fuck that it isn't

  • May 23, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Yea

    by Series7

    Saw it last night. Though I get it confused with Mummy 2/Die Hard 4/National Treasure 1 and 2 (i think I actually saw them filming the new one in the back ground of some of the scenes). I am not a big Indy fan, and I watch 1 and 3 before seeing the new one, but I was doped up on painkillers (pulled my back at my second job on tuesday night took the day off from the desk job). But I wasn't doped up going into Indy 4, THOUGH now I wish I had been. <P> Its like I am Legand, you go to the theater, leave your brain in your car and enjoy. Rent it a couple of months later and go???? That was fucking retarded and realize that why you see movies in theaters when they come out.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Series 7

    by Lost Jarv

    Simple really, I'm a big fan of Dog Soldiers and the Descent. I love the genre it is in and I think Marshall may be the heir apparant to Carpenter. (OPtimistic, I know, but what the hell) I also love the cast with the exception of Rhona Mitra who I would like to fuck, but can't act. <P>Whereas, I was born in the late 70's in England so never saw Speed Racer. My only knowledge of it comes from a reference in one of my favourite books. I don't like The Wachowski's films since the first Matrix (and even that one was flawed), and the trailers make me want to puke.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Chim Chim - Ruled

    by toadkillerdog

    And woe betide any who disagrees with that assessment!

  • May 23, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Not yet Danny

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Will be there tomorrow morning. And then maybe some Iron Man.<p>I guess I can understand people not liking Spider Man 2. Personally I loved it and it's one of those rare movies I'm willing to look beyond the MANY plot issues because it's so well put together, but to trash it like BraneDead, hmmmmm, that just don't add up. And SM3 was total crap. Started off OK, but wow, it degraded fast and hard.<p>I went to Amsterdam, Paris and Rome the same whirlwind trip I went to London. Loved them all. I f-ing love this country, but I wouldn't mind living in Europe.

  • May 23, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Indy 4

    by Series7

    ALSO had the worlds ugliest cast ever. Cate Blandchett (who is pretty ugly and talentless to begin with, she is like the Heath Ledger of actresses) who wore hefty bags for pants throughout the movie, and had one of the top 5 worst movie accents ever, she's sure to earn a razzie nom for this (though the razzie people are fucking retarded, what should be something funny and good is just lame and boring). AND OH man there is this like small part for an actor at the very end, and the dude has to be the ugliest man I've ever seen in a movie that wasn't about being gross. Like he came on the screen and the audience laughed. Its at the very end, you can't miss a mustache like that very very TED like (a TED in America is different then a TED in England, it stands for Typical Enlisted Dude, not a dumb scotsman).

  • May 23, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Hawaiin

    by Lost Jarv

    Nope- Guinness, <P>London is muggy and horrible today- It's a pity, spring is usually the nicest season

  • May 23, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Dog Soldiers

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    That movie really took me by surprise. I was expecting nothing special and ended up watching it twice the same day. What a great movie.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 3

    by Lost Jarv

    i bought a pirate copy of that last summer- Watched it and couldn't believe how shit it was. A friend of mine asked to borrow it, also couldn't believe how bad it was. Then when he tried to lend it to someone else or give it back he couldn't find anyone that would take it- because pretty much everyone had seen it and didn't want it in their flat. <P>Awful.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Series7

    Dude, Doomsday and Speed Racer pretty much fall into the same genre. And unless you have a bad problem with motion sickness you should be able to handle Speed Racer. I was born after Speed Racer was done and I still enjoyed it, I mean you saw Transformers did you not? You don't need to be a fan of the cartoon to enjoy it, if you are a fan of the cartoon its only going to make you like it all that much more. <P> I feel like convincing people to see Speed Racer is like convincing people to catch U23D. Yeah no one likes U2 that much any more but the movie was fucking amazing to see, its going to be the future of cinema. People were like WELL i don't like 3D, well you've never seen 3D like this. Just like people are like I don't like/know Speed Racer, so what the story is good? Well I don't like flashy special effects, well its not a Pokemon cartoon, the effects are ground breaking and amazing to see on the big screen. I just can't believe someone that is excited to see Doomsday won't give Speed the time of Day.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Dog Soldiers was a pleasant surprise

    by Lost Jarv

    I only watched it because I saw Marshall interviewed and he said he wanted to bring back the old Hammer studios. <P>Went in and I laughed and laughed and laughed. A rollicking little movie with some of the best dialogue seen in a werewolf film. <P>The Descent, on the other hand, was a whole different level of brilliance. <P>I'm hoping Doomsday continues in this trend, but I'll take batshit crazy entertainment for second prize.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Danny and Jarv

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    So you saw Indy then?<p>Ah, Guinness, the nectar of the gods. Took me a while to get accustomed to the taste but when I finally did I was drinking nothing but stouts and porters for the longest time.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Me and my buddy

    by Series7

    Killed a 6 pack before seeing doomsday, and finished another in the theater. That movie is great for drinking beer too. They need to let people drink in theaters, at least then I'll know why someone is being an ass, rather then having to deal with the fact that they are just a douche at life.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    The Descent

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Haven't watched it. I'll add it to my queue.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Spidey 2

    by toadkillerdog

    Was great. My favorite of the series and tied with X-2 as my favorite comic book into movie adaptation. <p> I grew up with Speed re-runs (It was a bit before my time)- I own all of the cartoons on DVD, and I was as giddy as a five year old on chocolate at getting to see it on the big screen. <p> I quibbled with some changes, but really, for a fan, it is not the vharacter of Speed that draws you in, it is the Mach 5. <p> Every boy wnated a Mach 5.<p> The Mach 5 delivered in the movie - although itcould and should have delivered even more (those quibbles). <p> And Chim Chim, ruled! <p> That monkey cracked me up!

  • May 23, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    I think I am the only one here

    by Series7

    Whos seen Indy??? Like I watch 1 and 3 right before going into 4 and it fits right in with them. I never thought Indy was that deep. 4 just seems bad today because they've had to ramp up the action to ludicrious speed to match Die Hard 4's level and todays expectations. Plus the first 3 Indies were never that deep, they were just the original and its been done to death now so many times (Mummy/National Treasure/Pirates kind of/Saraha) that it's no longer WOW, its just more of the same. <P> So far this summer its Speed, Iron Man, Rambo again on DVD next week, something I may have missed like Narnia, Indiana.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Series

    by Lost Jarv

    No- Doomsday is (from what I've seen on trailers) an 18 rated adult hardcore apocalyptic drama. Speed Racer is a Family movie. <P>Totally different. <P>I HATED transformers, and am no fan of stye over substance which is what Speed Racer appears to be (from the trailers). If it isn't then I hope they fire the marketing peole and I'll find out when I see it later in the year. I'll also admit to being wrong.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    The first half of the descent is fucking brilliant

    by Lost Jarv

    the second half not so good, but the end (if you get the European one- and I can't emphasise this enough GET THE EUROPEAN ONE), is fucking bleak and terrifying. A magnificent movie- easily the best Horror film in fucking yonks, although that isn't saying much. <P>I still say GIVE NEIL MARSHALL ALIEN 5. I would start a petition for it but Fox keep raping the corpse of the series with this AvP pish.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    The Descent is great

    by just pillow talk

    I watched it every single time it was on cinemax it seemed...

  • May 23, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    yeah, I heard about the European ending

    by just pillow talk

    I will never fathom why they changed it.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Ok DGDB

    by Series7

    What did you think of Indy? And also would you agree that if you want to see a movie like Doomsday, you'll enjoy Speed? I totally agree with you about the family plot. I think John Goodman gave an amazing performence that will go unnoticed. I had a feeling too that Speed would bomb, but not this hard. I thought it would make at least 100. Seriously though, its an unmarketable film, but the way they marketied it was terrible. They made it look like Yughio was fighting Pokemon on Hot Wheels.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I am prepared to be wrong,

    by Lost Jarv

    but $40 for me and the missus to see it is a shit load of cash- before dinner, beer, travel etc, so I'd rather watch things I'm really up for in the cinema and wait for those I'm ambivalent/ uniterested about. Speed falls in the latter category.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I saw Indy IV

    by toadkillerdog

    The comparison to National Treasure is valid.<p> I was disappointed in the movie.<p> To me, it started of slow, and out of sync. They made Indy into a clown at first with the jokes and the damn prairie dogs. I will not put any spoilers in here.<p> I am not a fan of Shia in this movie. <p> The CGI, did not bother me as much as it did some, but it added to an overall feeling that this movie was not an Indiana Jones movie, but a tired retread of action movies of the past decade.<p> I will hold off on any long winded review though and simply say, see it for yourself.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    "They made it look like Yughio was fighting Pokemon on Hot Wheel

    by Lost Jarv

    Exactly right. And that is what killed any lingering interest I had in it.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    even though it was on tv...

    by just pillow talk

    Caught the last half hour or so of Heat. Thought it was pertinent to bring up due to our discussion of Ronin and Deniro's bad-assery in both flicks. "Look at me...Look at me!" BAM BAM!!

  • May 23, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Pillows,

    by Lost Jarv

    I've no idea why they changed it. I don't think Marshall knows. The US ending really knocks a layer of symbolism and subversion off the film- and I think it is this uncertainty that elevated it from the pack.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    BraneRobot thinks Miami Vice is better than Heat

    by Lost Jarv

    Dude's insane. <P>That wasn't really relevant, but I just thought I'd share it with you. <P>I watched Series 7 last night, and I'd forgotten how good it is. Just thought I'd share that as well.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Series7

    Doomsday = Style over Substance Speed Racer = Substance used hand and hand with style. Plus fight scenes in Speed Racer are better then the fight scenes in Doomsday. Turst me I loved Doomsday to death and just thought it was a kick ass movie with the fucking brilliant choice of Frankie Goes to Hollywood blasting during the final fight. But I was in awe after leaving Speed. I doubted the movie as well. ALSO for both movies I pretty much forced buddies of mine to go see them, because I knew/hoped that they would be awesome. Both were like I don't know what the fuck that is (Doomsday) and I REALLY don't want to fucking see that! (Speed). But afterwards they both thought they were awesome.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Danny...then we'll have to strongly disagree

    by just pillow talk

    over that then. I found Miami Vice to be bland and boring, and very unmemorable. Heat, while a bit long, was much more involving for me. I'm sure that had a bit to do with much more interesting actors for me.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Series7

    by just pillow talk

    I still won't see Speed Racer in the theater, but I'll give it a shot when it comes out on video.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    DGDB

    by toadkillerdog

    I have not seen Heat in quite a while, but I remember thinking it was ok, not great.<p> I liked Miami Vice, and though I saw it on TV, not at the theater, I remember it more fondly than Heat as well.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    oh...and bad movies, but not in a good way....

    by just pillow talk

    From Dusk till Dawn 3<p>John Carpenter's Vampries (with Bon Jovi as a "hunter"!)<p>Both were on sci-fi last night. I just couldn't make it through them.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    That's my big concern about the movie

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I just finished watching all 3 over the past few weeks and there were action set pieces that were great but not overloaded. And the action was minimalist by and large. It took a back seat to the characters and the story. Even in Crusade. I just hope the beards didn't put together a chock-a-block action extravaganza where you barely have time to absorb what just happened.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Speed will probably suck

    by Series7

    ON THE TV. Unless you got some nasty ass system. I got a 50 inch and bose surrond sound, but I know I am going to be dissapointed when I see Speed on DVD. If the closest IMAX SHOWING FUCKING SPEED! (I got an Imax like 2 hours away and I will be in that area this weekend but all they show are the god damn Nature movies WHAT THE FUCK!) was not 4-6 hours away I would've gone and seen it there. And Jarv I know thats a lot of quid you gotta spend to see it so I guess I can kind of understand, but I know if I had spent that much on it I would've been ok with that.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    see, and I felt the same way about Miami Vice

    by just pillow talk

    The whole 'romance' with Colin and that chick...could care less. Nor is Heat perfect either. I don't think the 'romance' between Deniro and the chick really worked for me either. And I much prefer Dinero's performance than Colin's.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    MIAMI VICE is a failure.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    "I'm a fiend for mojitoes."<P>'Nuff said.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    yes, but if there's substance in it like you said Series7

    by just pillow talk

    then it should offset anything that's lost in style by seeing it on tv. Nevertheless, I'll take my chances and see it on the small screen instead. If it's any good, I'll enjoy it just the same.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    I'll probably see it on DVD

    by Lost Jarv

    it isn't that it's a lot- if it was next month then I'd go. It's that in May we've got Indy and Doomsday which I was always going to see, and Speed and Iron Man- one of which I was going to see and I chose Iron Man. If I regret it then so be it. <P>Someone's head should roll in that Marketing Department- But I've got a mate working at Warner Chappel and he says they are in deep financial poo. So the studio is probably in a similar mess. <P>When I said style I meant CGI. Fuck knows what I was thinking.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well, it's more the unintentional comedy factor of it all that really kills it for me.<P>Keep in mind that I'm a huge Michael Mann fan and I thought this was one of his lesser films. Very, very much lesser.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I will tell you this Danny....

    by just pillow talk

    I've only seen it once, so unless I absolutely hate a movie, I will watch it again. When it comes up on cinemax again, I'll give it another look.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I loved Heat but know people who hated it

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    So I can understand the divide. It's not for everyone.<p>OK, so I wonder if the UK version of The Descent is available over here. If not, I can always order the R2 version as I thankfully have a region free player.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by Series7

    Yeah there is substance, but lets face it, the special effects were probably the closest thing I've ever seen that could be considered mind blowing. And that may get lost on the small screen.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    The bit that killed Vice for me

    by Lost Jarv

    was the inexplicable sex scene "Ola chica". <P>oh deary, deary me.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    The UK is in R2

    by Lost Jarv

    It's only R1 that has the shite ending.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Good old Michael Mann

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    The Insider, Manhunter, Mohicans. He's made some cinema gold.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    I know you say your going to catch it on the DVD

    by Series7

    But I feel that since Speed Racer is bombing so hard at the BO, it needs anything it can get. Where as Iron Man has probably made enough for Paramount that it'll help soften the blow for the lackluster Indy numbers.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Manhunter is the shit

    by Lost Jarv

    Far superior to Silence of The Lambs and Red Dragon. I don't want to talk about Hannibal.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    well Danny...

    by just pillow talk

    I decided to cancel netflix and do the cable channel thing. I miss out on the newest stuff (though since I turned around movies quickly, it seemed like they would delay in sending me my next one in my queue), I get to run across oldie but goodie movies: Conan the Barbarian, Night of the Creeps, The Last Starfighter.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    I hear what you are saying Series7....

    by just pillow talk

    But like Jarv, I have to pick and choose which movies I'll go see as I don't get out to watch many.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    The Insider

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Can someone please explain to me why that movie didn't get more love? Crowe, Plummer and Pacino? And all gave exceptional, uncharacteristic performances.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I've already seen Iron Man though.

    by Lost Jarv

    And I know what you mean about Speed getting a good hard fucking. <P>But still of the 3 remaining films to see this month it is still the least. <P>BTW anyone know what is out in june? It seems like fuck all until TDK. <P>This is very bizarre. And I don't give a monkeys about Hancock or Narnia. <P>Maybe Speed can hang on till next month?

  • May 23, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Especially given the paucity of June's release

    by Lost Jarv

    Schedule. <P>It's like they all rushed to get out in May. Should have saved Speed 3 Weeks- it would have done much better.

  • May 23, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    off to grab lunch now...

    by just pillow talk

    Carry on gents, I expect more movies to be discussed during my absence. <p>And I don't think anything is coming out in June. Not looking forward to the Hulk...unsure about The Happening...Wall*E?

  • May 23, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    You guys will hate me for this

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    But I don't enjoy the theater going experience like I once did. I see two or three movies a year tops, the rest are all at home. And I now that sacrilege for a movie geek but cellphones, today's teenagers and Hispanics (and no, I'm not racist, I'm half Mexican) have killed the experience for me. Indy, Iron Man and Speed will be the only movies I will probably see in the theater this summer and therefore the rest of the year.

  • May 23, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    if it was called "Man-eating Panda"

    by just pillow talk

    that would be something to look forward to. But instead, bears will yet again be misrepresented by Hollywood. First a retarded bear in Narnia, now this!

  • May 23, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Hawaiian...

    by just pillow talk

    WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!<p>I kid, I only get to see a handful of movies in the theater now as well. Out of the movies Danny mentioned above, I'll probably only see Hellboy II, TDK, and maybe Wall*E in theaters.

  • May 23, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    JPT

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Those are the only 3 movies on that list I'm interested in as well.

  • May 23, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    I really think all 3 will come through with flying colors

    by just pillow talk

    Since I'm a fan of the first Hellboy, that trailer I thought rocked, so looking forward to the sequel. <p>TDK - nothing needs to be said, only I cannot fathom anyone's dislike for Batman Begins (sorry Danny).<p>And Wall*E looks promising.

  • May 23, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Batman Begins

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    My beef was the microwave weapon. I'm not a science guy but I know enough to realize it was a poorly conceived device. It would have cooked everything, not just the water.<p>Other than that, it was solid.

  • May 23, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Hellboy

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Took a few viewings to grow on me but it was so unconventional it was awesome. Del Toro may very well be a genius.

  • May 23, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian...I felt the same way

    by just pillow talk

    It improved on multiple viewings...<p>Danny, it matters not that we differ on several movies, but that you enjoy No Escape in all his full blown chessiness. Fuck, it's got Ernie Hudson in it!

  • May 23, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Queefer Bukkake Alert!

    by just pillow talk

    In the Hooper to be a Dick thread: <p>If Bush Isn't a Conservative... Why did the fucking conservatives vote for him? He has ruined our country, and it is the fuckers who voted for him who carry that responsibility. FUCK YOU everybody who voted for Bush. If I could seek each of you out I'd slit every last one of your throats!

  • May 23, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    now Blade II is fucking great.....

    by just pillow talk

    That movie kicks all sorts of ass. I miss Wesley.<p>I should also mention that a month or so ago I did catch Passenger 57 on cinemax. I couldn't cut that cheese with an ax!

  • May 23, 2008, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I haven't even thought of going in there...

    by just pillow talk

    Think I may leave work a wee bit early to catch an even earlier show for Indy.<p>Yeah, he tends to really go in depth with his opinions.

  • May 23, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Loved Hellboy, loved Blade and Blade II

    by toadkillerdog

    Sneak out Pillow!<p> Branerobot is over on the Spidey thread - same ol same ol.

  • May 23, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    heh...he's over there and the hooper thread

    by just pillow talk

    But don't worry, Queefer Bukkake is in the hooper thread. <p>He always ends up unleashing some sort of threat in my direction after I proclaim my love for his insanity.

  • May 23, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Unfortunately they gave us Blade 3

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Why can't they complete a trilogy properly these days?<p>Slitting voters throats? Hmmmm, interesting proposition. I fear we may all need neck protectors soon though. With all the turmoil rising gas prices are causing, it's only a matter of time before the have-nots say enough and we see an unprecedented upheaval and things will get bloody.<p>Three more hours and I'm headed home to relax on my deck with friends and beer. I'd give a finger to be able to slip out early.

  • May 23, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian...

    by just pillow talk

    Much like the Spidey series, I only own the first two of the Blade series. There is no trilogy.<p>As long as you have enough sharpened #2 pencils, we can weather the coming storm.

  • May 23, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    igotbigballs has SMALL BALLS!

    by Proman1984

    How else do you explain that nickanme.

  • May 23, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    yeah...I just bought a couple six packs for the weekend

    by just pillow talk

    Supposed to be some fine weather.<p>Some Belgium lager and some Italian beer. I feel so worldly.

  • May 23, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    peace brothers...

    by just pillow talk

    I'm outta here.

  • May 23, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Enjoy the weekend Pillow

    by toadkillerdog

    Beer sounds good!

  • May 23, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    NO ESCAPE!!

    by Series7

    Sorry just got back from lunch. I LOVE THAT MOVIE AS WELL! I was just talking about it AT LUNCH! Mentioned the new Australlia movie and my buddy was like whats it about and I didn't see the whole trailer and think it looks like the colonization of Australia IDK and he said what with prisoners. I said yeah its the prequel to No Escape. <P> If you guys really liked No Escape you should catch Fortress and The Condemed. Though not as good, Fortress is awesome cheesyness and The Condemed suffers from Pre-Rambo back to normal fighting no quick cut bullshit that movies were making at the time. Which I hope with QUICK cut editing finally earning 3 Oscars for the Boring movies (if you like it I'm sorry I don't I don't want to talk about Bourne right now) we can be done with quick cut editing to allow no fighting actors to look like they can fight.

  • May 23, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Blade 2 is awesome

    by Series7

    And yeah I don't understand the love towards Pans and Hellboy. My girlfriend fucking LOVED Pans, but that usually happenes when I hear about a movie 2 years before it comes out because of this site and sit and wait and want to see it so bad, just to blow it WAY TO UP IN MY MIND that when I see it it can only let me down. Except the Host, I loved it she hated it.

  • May 23, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by Series7

    Why do you think the AIM now a days HAS TO be a Trilogy? I mean it looks like Spidy is moving past that though, which I think could be good. You think it has something to do with numbers? Like I am trying to think of some movie that had more then three installments get released in theaters (NOT DTV, and not RETURNS - like indy/star wars/Die hard/Rambo) all I can come up with is Bond. You got any others? Star Trek as well. Hmmm i am gonna go check box office mojo.

  • May 23, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Series 7

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Don't know about the trilogy thing. If there's enough source material, I suppose you could keep going and going. Look at Aliens and Predator. The comics alone pack enough for 4-5 really good movies. And Spider Man, X-Men and Iron Man probably have enough history to keep pumping out movies beyond me being dead and buried. The problem is keeping the movies in the right people's hands that understand and adore the source material. Blade 3, Spidey 3, X-Men 3 and AvP were handed off to people who didn't give a damn about the characters and just wanted a huge opening weekend. And then there are movies like Pirates. That was meant to be a stand alone movie. You can tell they had no ideas for sequels in mind when they filmed it. But the siren call of money was too tempting to pass up and they cobbled together some truly dreadful storylines.<p>When I think of all the great movies that could have had a sequel because they were successful but the studio/filmmakers decided to let it standalone, it makes me wonder what it will take for Hollywood to return to the days of "one and done." Surely there must be stacks of new, fresh ideas with iconic characters waiting to be born.

  • May 23, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Series7, good point about ugliest cast

    by Prossor

    in fact ima make a post about it in indy4 tb

  • May 23, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    dickblood RE:HEAT's mediocrity

    by Prossor

    I'm going to have to agree with you. I watched it again on TV last night after a year of first seeing it, it has a lot of pukingly awful things in it, it's status is wholly devoted to: Pacion/DeNiro onscreen together for the 1st time, and the Bank robbery shootout, which inspired the North HOllywood shooters (larry+emil RIP), DeNiro has beeen phoning it in since the early 80's. He works in pretty much two dynamics when Scorsese is not holding his hand, Pacino has more range but the 90's were the lowpoint, a travesty for an actor who was THE best in the 70's/80's. Another thing is focusing on Pacino's family shit too much, and waaay too many minor character stories, do we honestly need a scene of some black dude and lady out of nowwhere talking about his life goals in a diner? really cheesy acting for the other cast like DeNiro's girlfriend trying to look worried and nervous as hard as she can in a car (that's good dear, keep it going, more more more keep moving your head around and your mouth open), AWFUL ATROCIOUSLY NAUSEOUS GROWNING sappy feel to the whole thing, and hilariously goofy "troubelesome" marriage of Pacino and that ugly wife of his. If it only focused on the rivalry between the two it would have been a much better sharper flick.

  • May 23, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    John Lithgow

    by Series7

    WAS THE BOMB IN CLIFHANGER!

  • May 23, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Heat is fucking awesome

    by Stevie Grant

    Not the best movie ever; but, still, a damn good film. That is all.

  • May 24, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    slickslanger slydog

    by lipshitz

    I expected no less. no less denda best.