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HOBBIT Casting Outreach Has Begun!! + del Toro & Mark Johnson Face HATER!!
Merrick here...
The HOBBIT part of this is more of a confirmation of what was already indicated/suspected than "news", but a piece in Variety offers a brief update on the status of matters del Toro.
Pre-production is about to get under way on the two-part "Hobbit." Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens are expected to pen the scripts under the direction of Peter Jackson and del Toro. Preliminary contact has already been made with at least three actors whose "Lord of the Rings" characters also appear in the "Hobbit" storyline: Viggo Mortensen (Aragorn), Ian McKellen (Gandalf) and Andy Serkis (Gollum).
...says THIS ARTICLE in Variety.
The article also references a Guillermo del Toro-produced project based on David Moody's novel HATER.
The thriller is about an epidemic of random violence in which ordinary people strike lethally without warning or remorse.
del Toro will produce along side Mark Johnson, from a script by Glen Mazzara - a writer/producer on TV's THE SHIELD.
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No, wait... FIRST! Um, no... HEY, GREAT NEWS!
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I'm first!
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First posters are losers anyway, 2nd rules, just like David Cook!
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Will they de-age Viggo Mortensen x-men 3-style? -
Yeah, I'm looking forward to this. I hope its as well done as Jackson's lot. But (and I think I'm right here) Aragorn wasn't in, or mentioned, in the Hobbitt. Why would they be offering Mortenson a role?
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Well, either that gives us some idea of what we'd see in the second movie, or The Hobbit's going to be padded out with Aragorn stuff to fill two movies on its own. Hrrm....
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Wouldn't his character be a teenager during The Hobbit's story? I shall look it up. Don't go anywhere. Yep, I did the math. Aragorn would've been 9 years old during The Hobbit, which takes place 61 years prior to Lord of the Rings. This movie has already failed. Sorry.
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The Hobbit is movie 1.... movie 2 is set in the time between the Hobbit and LOTR.
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I guess Aragorn will be IN movie 2.
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shoot at the same time. It is possible Aragorn is in the second one that bridges the hobbit with the lord of the rings.
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they shouldn't put him into the first movie (THE HOBBIT), but Aragorn will definitely play an important part in the second movie (WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE HOBBIT AND LOTR)
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seems to be stetting the stage to do every Tolkien story ever put on paper. will we see Aragorn's decade long search for Gollum, eventually? is there a Scowering(is that the word he used?) of the Shire movie in the works?
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yes we will. and Del Toro will still not have made his Cthulhu movie.
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Scouring... spell it with me.
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!
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Aragorn isnt an ordianry human. Theres a scene in one of the movies... I want to say the last one, (the scene where he pretends to eat the soup) where he explains that he is significantly older than he appears. (one presumes due to elven magic of some sort)
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The ringwearer9 story.
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those little guys are the perfect height for standing blowjobs. and his cock looks massive in thier little hands. great news on the casting, did you doubt those guys would return?
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...for Bilbo, please.
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Looks like the Tale of Arwen and Aragorn will be fleshed out in the second movie. Cool!Hater, the movie about Ringwearer9 and his relationship with peter jackson {[:^)
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i was thinking it was a Tolkienism.
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Aragorn is one of the Dunedain, although that is not how you spell it. They are more blessed with long life.
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Or is it great minds thinking alike?
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sounds interesting.thats the concept i thought M Night's new one was going to be wrapped around, when i saw the first teaser. boy was i wrong.
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As Sir Ian Holm may be too old to play a young Bilbo, I think they should go with T.R. Knight as he looks like a Hobbit.
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Did anyone else catch the CHUD article that had a photo of Viggo as "The Man" from the upcoming film version of THE ROAD? Pretty spot on: http://tinyurl.com/5sfo4c
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Nice!
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To paraphrase Yoda..."He is too old to begin the filming". Martin Freeman MUST play Bilbo.
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...and had a greater life-span than ordinary Men. He lived to the ripe old age of 210 but, yes, was only ten when Bilbo set out on the Quest for Erebor. He will only be in the second movie, hopefully. Of course, if would be cool for Bilbo to run in to him when he's hanging out in Rivendell with Thorin and company.Elrond: Hey Bilbo, come meet this little knocker named Estel.
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Gandalf hands off baby Frodo to Bilbo and both stare at twin setting suns over Bag End. Wait a minute...
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What the fuck? That sounds like the Signal
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Simon Pegg as Bilbo would be funny as hell. And they should be talking to Liv Tyler, not Viggo.
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. . . Hugo Weaving as Elrond. Wouldn't mind seeing Rhys-Davies cast as Gloin, too. And you would think they could still use Holm. And Jessie "The Body" Ventura as the voice of Smaug.
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Freeman would be a good Bilbo under other circumstances, but since Holm is spry enough to pull it off, I say go for it.
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They need to focus on the Dwarves that travel with Bilbo in the Hobbit! John RD should be back if anyone. Glad to see Ian back though and who will be playing a young Bilbo?
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But they will need to really slather on the cgi to his ancient mug - no offense to the great Holm.
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Hopefully it will be a wizard-centric one with the white council (including a "good" saruman) taking out the Necromancer.
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he's NOT spry enough to pull it off. He said it himself. He's almost 80. The Hobbit has a lot of action and it's not like he's Harrison Ford.
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As Cartman said so eloquently, "Go ahead and play your goddamn Harry Butthole Pussy Potter!"
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I wish he wasn't, as I think he was the most perfectly cast character in the LOTR films, but the guy will be around 80 by the time the production ends. Let's be realistic, he's too old to play the lead in an action adventure epic.
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... he was 16 during the time of The Hobbit.That's beside the point as obviously, he will be a part of the second movie, which I believe will be Aragorn and Gandalf-centric anyway.I think the second movie will contain the search for Gollum that Gandalf and Aragorn embark upon.We may see Aragorn fighting as Thorongil for Rohan and Gondor before he went to Lothlorien where he met Arwen dancing underneath the stars.See, there are many avenues in which Aragorn's whole story can be fleshed-out, which serves as an awesome bridge to The Fellowship of the Ring.
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in the teasers... i can see it now!
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seeing as every time they deviated from Tolkien's work in the LOTR films they weakened the story, I do not have any faith in this bizarre idea for the second film. Haven't they made enough money? "The Hobbit" alone will gross at least another billion at the BO, there's no need to milk the fucking audience.
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thanks for that The Road catch. i'm super stoked about that movie, as the book is one of my favorites.
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okay, Bilbo is actually 50 years old but Tolkien makes clear that Hobbits don't come of age (18 or 21 in human years) until 30 so a 50 year old Hobbit would be the equivalent of a 35 year old human.
Holm's a great actor but it would look silly for him to play the lead role in what are likely to be action-heavy films in heavy makeup.
If Ewan McGregor can play a young Alec Guinness, i don't doubt they find a younger actor to channel Holm.
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... they'll be fleshing out the stories contained in the Annexes.Because if you've read the Annexes, they actually read like The Silmarilian.Now that's a movie I'd LOVE to see: The Akalabeth... the Downfall of Numenor. That would be frakking AWESOME!!!
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...in the second movie. Where all the 5 wizards ride to take out the Nazgul stronghold in Mirkwood.
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Hasn't John pretty firmly said "never again" due to his allergies? Also, we only ever saw one dwarf in LOTR (except for dwarf skeletons and those lords in dark halls in the prologue). I'll be interested to see what del Toro can flesh out for those actors, and how in the world can they make them have individuality. Maybe some real comedy teams. I don't like Simon Pegg for this, but maybe Nick Frost or Seth Rogen. I can see peter going for Jack Black, but he's a little too smarmy/obvious for this kind of role. Definitely they should cast man-size guys like Jackson did, so they only need two scales.
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If his DVD commentary has anything to go by he didn't have as great a time as the others. He also had allergic reactions to the Dwarve make up. I can't wait for this, I hope they do it justice and the 2nd film is great. The battle of 5 armies will no doubt play a huge role at the end of, and I am all for that.
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Gandalf and Aragorn, the formation of the rangers, Aragorn and Arwen's romance, and the impending sense of doom that Sauron's reemergence would have brought - it could kick all kinds of arse!
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You're welcome! I'm stoked as well. If the story is handled well (like NCFOM), it should be a harrowing and moving film.
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...isn't the same as action in Rambo or Kiss of the Dragon. It's not like Holm will have to wire-fu or gun-kata goblins.
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More interested in who they'll cast to play Beorn - someone hairy!!!
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Get to watch the Balrog kick all sorts o' unholy ass.
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I don't think the reveal is important after the first viewing. The reveal of gollum would serve to remind the repeat viewer that these nine dudes don't know what follows them. The camera shows different amounts at different times, to show the characters' perspective.
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They may redesign his appearance to make him younger. Like they did in ROTK. Hope just not as ugly.
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Hopefully, he smokes a cigar.
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Rob Wells and Jean Paul Tremblay as Oin & Gloin.
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When I was in my teens I read, and reread, pretty much everything Tolkien ever wrote regarding Arda (including "The History of Middle-earth" books), so I know what they will have to work with. You say "fleshing out" I say "making up", and I just do not think they are good enough to for the task (I'm not sure anyone is). The fact is that they are making a second film purely for money, the suits said "Hey! Where's the eye candy/romance for the girls? We're going to lose that market. Tell you what, make up another film so that we can shoehorn Aragorn/Arwen and Super-Legolas into the story!".
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a movie studio exec.
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i love John Hillcoat for the Road. the Proposition was a lot of man vs the environment, and thats essentially what The Road is about. i think he's the right guy for the job.and yeah, if its done as faithfully as No Country was, I'll be a happy boy.
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I am betting on Ron Pearlman getting the Smaug voice role. This will be greatness! Thank god they haven't screwed this up so far.
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...hater to tell a hater that it's the way Tolkien wrote the story. You can read LotR(or watch the movie) and get the whole story without ever having read the Hobbit. It will be anything but "stupid." BTW, getting your trolling in early I see.
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My grandma worked in mexico for John Huston (before he died). He did the voice of Gandolf in the hobbit cartoon. When I was young he did some lines of dialog for me....very lucky kid!
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I'm not wedded to antyihg, I'm just saying.....anyone who doesn't think seth rogen is an incredibly talented actor hasn't seen freaks and geeks. And I recall lots of people not so long ago saying elijah wood was a terrible choice.
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Trolls are obtrusive dolts who say nothing but insults in their post, DGDB and Me and a bunch a people think LOTR is well....Mehhh, so we talk about it with words like stupid. Why don't you go troll the Marlyn Manson concert for 12 year olds.
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...and Doc P.: It was all decided in the last TB that James McAvoy is favored to play Bilbo. Just forget Holm, Doc, he's 77 and will have a lot of giant spider fighting, riddling and barrel riding to do. As a result of the last, he'll also be required to catch a NASTY COLD! Now, really, would you wish that on poor ol' Ian?
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When a guy could grow a beard worse than harry's, play weird hippy folk music about wonderin' the plains of middle earth, and still be a "babe magnet". Ahhh the 70's
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...as soon as I "die" my hair. Hey, me an' my hair get along just fine...why would I want to kill it?
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so you are saying you DO troll for 12 year olds at the MM show?
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...in fact, I think Seth Rogen should be cast in the lead Dwarf role of Thorin Oakenshield! BTW, compared to those in the past, you're a pretty lousy troller. But, please, keep it up with the entertaining cliches (snore)...
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just keep aragorn out of the hobbit
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...I'm not the one with "dick" in my posting handle. A case of the gay pot calling the homo kettle black?
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make a prequel. Actually, think this will be awesome, but that's a hilarious choice of tagline's or this prequel movie.
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... there's no talking to someone like you, and I don't mean that as an insultThe thing is, I'll be 28 in June, and I've been reading LOTR and The Hobbit at least once a year since then, and I picked up The Silmarillion when I was 18. Same deal.I know no bigger fan of JRR than myself.I also realize, unlike a great many of the book purists, that films are a totally different medium than literature. I had a great cinema professor who once said that people who say the movie wasn't as good as the book are idiots, because even if the book may be the source material, you cannot compare the two artistic mediums any more than you could compare oil paintings and marble sculptures.Do you realize how stupid that is?With literature, not only do you get the inner monologue of the characters, something you cannot realistically replicate in films without the God-awful use of narration, but you also have the reader's personal imagination, and that's where the breakdown really comes down to it, is that a reader's imagination will always be better in that reader's mind than any adaptation they see on the screen.What it basically boils down to is that the books had to be adapted in some way to work on the screen. They could not be filmed any other way. The films are separate from the book. They both stand on their own merits as excellent works of art.The problem with you, C Legion, is that you are just too bitter to appreciate both forms of art. You are bitter because what you see on the screen doesn't match your imagination. It's understandable, but it's wrong-headed.Learn to appreciate two distinct and separate art-forms AS two distinct and separate art-forms, even though they may share the same source material.Once again, you can have an oil painting of David and the marble sculpture of David and enjoy them as two distinct separate forms of art. This is what you must learn to be able to do with the literature and film versions of LOTR.Otherwise, you just remain a sad, bitter man.
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English teacher is related to Twatface Mcgee morGoth (his full name in the deth guild underverse). She liked to correct me too! I wonder if she masturbated to Bauhaus, like you do morGoth.
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... should say in there that I've been reading those books at least once a year since I turned 11.
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...you should know since you're my favorite pickup. BTW, mutilating self portraits is not a healthy habit and something you really shouldn't brag about.
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I imagine him looking something like Harrison Ford.
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...oh, you call that "English?"DANNY...no problem as your post are routinely incomprehensible. At least you admit you're a troller.
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I was having so much fun and then you came back with the old, 'no, you are' rebuttal, so sad. After you pull out of your Trent Reznor blow up doll, go back to cut down school. We'll talk then....I'm getting some coffee
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Thanks for the horribly patronising response, a response that has been trotted out pretty much verbatim by a million other fans of the films when they spot someone they consider a "purist". "there's no talking to someone like you", right back at ya.
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no phony accents
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I wonder if Jackson will be taking more liberties with the storyline.
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I dont know about any of you but I can't find this book anywhere...i dont even think its written yet
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...g-ride but I'm sure you're as bored as I am. You launched first so let's just stop this childishness, OK? Peace out brudder...
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...how about Scottish accents? Close enough?
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i found it but its going for $150?
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That plagued the Lotr script. I truly hope he is the one in command, and that the Jackson-team is limited to support and suggestions. One thing is to adapt the book to fit the screen, another is to change the tone and add Hollywood-style cheesy moments.
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i think it did a lot of good for Harry Potter to keep the cast local...besides the british are a lot better at acting too.
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You know it makes sense. Also, Brian Blessed.
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Me and my buddy walked in on his super nerdy roommate playing with his precious with the Liv Tyler as Arwen scene on loop. This dude would probably put most of you to shame in the awkward/nerdiness category. I bet he is anxious to find out if he'll be getting more elf porn in the future.
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There's already rumors that they'll split the Hobbit itself into two films (the first ending with the escape from the wood elves and the second with the battle of the 5 armies)...which means they'll have to do a 3rd film to capture some of the story that exists in between the tales. Should be interesting.
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...British actors can spot on nail an American accent (even local dialects) but you can always tell a Yank trying to pull off the opposite? Hey, McAvoy can do (to my ears, anyway) a Brit (Hobbit?) accent as heard in 'Atonement' and as Tumnus in 'Narnia', yes?
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...delToro himself (MTV interview) said the Hobbit will be one movie with the second covering the events between the end of the Hobbit and the beginning of Fellowship.
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you should check out DUNE or THE THIN RED LINE to see great examples of hearing the thoughts of the characters..admittedly, DUNE is not a great movie but the way Lynch handles the inner thoughts(which are right out of the book) is spot on..and Nolte's inner thoughts in TTRL are a disturbing joy to behold...just sayn...
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... it has nothing to do with purists vs. non-purists or books vs. filmsYou just lack to perspective to be able to understand that film and literature are two distinct and separate art-forms, and you are obviously very, very bitter towards the films for not living up to your personal imagination. It's a problem a lot of people have.It's basically a bitterness which is steeped in ignorance.Again, you wouldn't compare an oil painting and a sculpture even if their subject were the same, so why do you do so with two distinct and separate art-forms such as film and literature? It's senseless.
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This is CNN you hobbit bitches!
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... as a general rule, narration in film is to be avoided unless the film is a frame story, a la Stand By Me.Film is a visual medium. Much of what can be said through narration can be artfully visualized using color, lighting, POV, or even background scenery.Hitchcock was a master of letting the audience know what was on the mind of his characters using such techniques.Otherwise... narration is lazy story-telling in film.
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Created by three writer/directors in Atlanta in 2006, The Signal is a horror/scifi with handfuls of black comedy about people lethally turning on other people with no remorse after coming into contact with...well...the signal.
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If you look at all the dramatic events which happen between Hobbit and LOTR, Aragorn is involved or potentially involved in most of them: his father dies and he goes to live at Rivendell; meets Arwen; learns of his ancestry from Elrond. He is involved in searching for Gollum after Bilbo's adventure. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to imagine him participating in the battle to expel the Necromancer from Mirkwood. I'm suprised they're contacting Viggo, though; I assumed they'd recast with a younger actor in his very early 20s.
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Please, Guillermo, Peter ... please adhere to the source material. Try not to make too much sh*t up. No matter what you think, or what the studios lead you to believe. The fans you'll upset the most if you start writing in jokes about dwarf tossing and if you start have random LOTR film cast reunions is the fans of the books themselves. We were that built in fanbase that the studios keep referring too when explaining how they can justify expectation, time and money in the project. Don't let us down.
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as professional "yank" actor who has fucking MASTERED several British accents(even local dialects), your generalization of American actor's skills is incredibly un-educated...perhaps you should ask all the British professors i studdied with at RADA why they would give me the highest grade in the class for my depiction of a Welsh accent...methinks all the bangers you have stuffed in your mouth over the years have slowed your brain activity down to a slug-like crawl...just sayn...
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After a while, it's apparent that some of the cheesiest, most out of place dialogue in the film trilogy was lifted almost verbatim from the books. The criticism of "Gay Hobbits" we got was nothing compared to what we could have seen if Jackson had kept much of the Sam/Frodo relationship in.
The novels are still a good read, but Jackson took what worked from them and made the story even better, even if he should have been a little more savage when slicing out some of Tolkeins, let's face it, hugely dated dialogue. If he & Guillermo can make a pair of decent, grown up films out of the twee fairy tale of The Hobbit then they'll have earned my cash at the cinema. -
do me a favor and go watch the films that i mentioned before you comment back. yes, Hitchcock was a master... A BILLION YEARS AGO! times have changed, "cinema" has changed. don't be so stodgy in your thinking. there is more than one way to tell a story. also, i'm not talking about NARRATION, i'm talking about depicting the INNER THOUGHTS of a character onscreen. do your homework first before you blindly pull some quote from your "filmaking for dummies" book..just sayn...
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Best i can think of lately is Renee Zellweger. But yeah a lot of brits easily do american accents almost perfect. McAvoy is scottish i believe and does several different accents very well. And would make a great Bilbo.
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Doctor Who is full of them and they stick out like sore knobs. Some actors are just gifted with the right ears and tongues to pull off an accent from across the sea, some are not. Lots of those who are not are on the BBC it seems.
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is a great idea. Doesn't look like Holm, but he looks like Bilbo.
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'Ello, 'ow are 'ou?
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DANNY DICK HANDLER - you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, troll.
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The son of Bard the Bowman with his transforming Bow and Arrow?
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... is the American Southern Accent.As a southerner, I loathe listening to American actors not from the South doing a Southern Accent.Think Robert DeNiro in Cape Fear, or Keanu Reeves in Devil's Advocate or The Gift, or Katie Holmes in The Gift, John Turturo in O Brother... the list goes on and on and on.The only Hollywood actors who can do Southern Accents right are southerners themselves, and yes people, George Clooney was born in Kentucky, and his accent was spot-on in O Brother.But Brits and Scots especially can do a perfect Southern Accent.
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The material in Unfinished Tales and the 5 volumes of The History of Middle-earth and the 7/8 volumes of The History of The Lord of the Rings. There is enough material in these books to film several more movies. The question is who has the rights to these books. Also, the suit between the Tolkien Estate and New Line has not been settled.
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well, there haven't been many high-profile STARS that have succeeded, i'll give you that(although gwinneth paltrow in SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE springs to mind). there are several yanks that CAN do it, we have just never heard of or seen them is the problem...i guess my evil American pride reared it's ugly head for a minute...hey i am the most horrible; do ou want to go to 'artford???
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Bill Nighy for Thorin!
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please list some brits or scots that do "perfect" southern accents...being of scottish decent and having been raised in Arkansas and Missouri, i would love some examples so that i can be better informed....
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Get him in there somewhere.
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His accent was good enough that I had no idea he was from the UK.
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... always had a great American accent when he used one.The off course, there is Hugh LaurieBob HoskinsIan Holm has done great American / Canadian accentsAnna Friel was good in Pushing DaisiesDamian Lewis of Band of Brothers and the show Life is English... betcha didn't know thatMinnie Driver's cajun-tinged Louisiana accent is very good on The RichesAnd we don't even have to get into the Aussies that do awesome American accents like Portia DiRossi, Anthony LaPaglia, or the hot blonde chick from Chuck, who speaks her American accent with a kind of very slight, but very cute lisp.
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Scottish.... No Country for Old Men. Perfect southern accent.
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Oh, wait . . . still, I'm all for Ian Holm reprising Bilbo, and majorly for John Rhys-Davies as Gloin, although if he can't do it for reasons of allergies, I certainly understand. Ron Perlman for the voice of Smaug! I suppose Jeremy Irons would work, too. Or Alan Rickman, maybe. But I like Ron.
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I only have to name one English actress in the history of film...Vivienne Leigh, anyone?Look, the American Southern Accent is in and of itself the most direct descendent of the proper British English Accents of the 16th and 17th centuries.Whenever asked in any interview, any classically-trained British actor or actress will say that the American Southern Accent is always the easiest for them to slip into because of the similarities with their own, and yes, that includes Scots too, because especially in Georgia and Alabama where many, many Scots immigrated to, a lot of the structure in those regional dialects remain similar.Look, being from the South, I understand more than most that the different dialects of the American Southern Accent are very different to those who can differentiate between them. The Southern Georgia dialect, is different than the Coastal Carolinas is different from the Tennessee Hills, is different from East Texas. Just like the differences between New England, New York, and Philly accents.I would say other easy accents to recreate are the Minnesotan and Dakotan accents because they're basically Canadian-lite.
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I hope both films feature flashback story telling . . . The moment for it would be invented (oh no! deviation) but it would be great to have a few flashback stories, tied in perhaps to the greater history of Middle-Earth or the current quandaries of the movie plots) to the Silmarillions and their making, the downfall of Numenor, the story of Beren and Luthien, a bit of the Children of Hurin . . . it'd make me happy, but then I'm a big geek.
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And a nigh-perfect Scarlet. As Gable was the perfect Rhett.As a southerner, I hear a lot of atrocious southern accents come out of Hollywood . . . but most of them are from American actors, not Ausies or Scots. Just folks who think a few episodes of the Beverly Hillbillies and putting "y'all" in ever sentence makes them sound southern. I do declare.
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... as in, former Atlanta Hawk and all around awesome big man Kevin Willis?Man, I miss the days of 'Nique, Willis, Rivers!
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Tokien did it himself. He changed assorted things in the Hobbit over the years, a few things in LOTR (nothing major, mostly just to make the print editions match his always evolving/improving legendarium), and if the writers mined his Unfinished Tales, Lost Tales, the Silmarillion, the annexes of LOTR and the Further Adventures of Tom Bombadil (and so on) for material for the movies, there would be plenty of conflicting material on the same events. Clarifying and expanding, or reworking it a bit, certainly doesn't hurt. I love the books, but I love the movies, too. I love reading about Frodo's return to Bag End and getting rid of Saruman who has, a little unbelievably, taken up residence in Bag End . . . but the end of Return of the King (especially Aaragorn kneeling, and then everybody kneeling, before the Hobbits) kicks ass. It's a great scene, and hardly inconsistent with Tolkien generally . . . even if purists weren't happy with it. I'm pretty sure I'm going to enjoy both of these movies tremendously. Even if Ian Holm doesn't make it back as Bilbo.
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That makes a lot less money. Unfortunately. So, not that one, alas. Although my mother lives in Atlanta. So there's that.
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"Macho Man" Randy Savage must be the voice of Smaug (if you've forgotten this genius...watch Spider-man again...Bonesaw McGraw is "MACHO MAN" RANDY SAVAGE!!! There is no other and if he is not immediately hired I will buy all copies of anything anyone involved in this abortion creates and shit incessantly on the box. I'm not kidding.
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... I wasn't expecting you to BE Kevin Willis, maybe a fan.I totally agree with you on the scene at Minas Tirith, though. It made me cry like a little bitch when I first saw it, and it still does bring some tears to my eyes when I watch now. Awesome.
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May 21, 2008 2:01:10 PM CDT
The second film better be a musical starring Robin Williams as B
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Oh that would be just so fantastic!
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Definetly. Very Hobbit-like and looks like young Holm.
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Go and watch this to get your LOTR fix! http://tinyurl.com/5ajzzz
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Pan's Labrynth being my fave. But directing a Tolkien story? I just don't see his style fitting at all here. I'd have rather waited a few years to see Jackson do it instead.
BTW - Robbie Coltrane as Beorn, Simon Peg as Bombur (or any dwarf besides Thorin), definitely Ron Perlman as Smaug.
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http://tinyurl.com/3gs2x7
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Really? I can't recall. Was he two years old or something?
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Viggo's too old to play the younger Aragorn in these movies. He would be a teen in The Hobbit. Including him in the second movie would still require a younger actor UNLESS the second movie is set close to the time of LOTR.
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Great actor, deffo has the Hobbit vibe, he's got that doe-eyed 'Baggins' look, better choice than Freeman who's a bit too dour and dull for the role IMHO.
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Totally could see him working as Bilbo.
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Heres the deal.
The hobbit is to long for one movie.
To short for two, so there doing two movies and going to flesh out the time line.
Simple and awesome.
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If you can seriously read the LOTR and still say that the Hobbits in the books are as ass jackhammering gay as they are in that lame ass LORTR movies you're a stupid fuck. He tried to translate the books but it came out as tickcle fights and longing "I'd like to get a piece of that ass" stares. It was done poorly and quite frankly after the first viewing those goddamn movies are unwatchable.
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Know this, young posters. I, borg, have been touting Mr. Freeman for some time. In fact, it was I who first threw his name out into the ether back in those heady HHGTTG days of yore. So you're welcome. Hey, Petey - I'll be happy with a seat at the premiere in Wellington for my fee.
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McAvoy the choice for more hobbit luvin
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Now see here cutest, you'd best stick to what'ee know best an' that's them Star Trekkies things.
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He's a bit young, but i think he's more versatile than Freeman.
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you people are fucking FREAKS.
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That would kick ass!
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...Robbie Coltrane was made (I thought saying born would be too stupid of a pun) to play Beorn. But who can play the dog that walks on his hind legs?
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I do indeed know me Trekkins. But Mr. Freeman was technically in a space movie so there you go. All hail Freeman!
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Brilliant! Must avoid falling into any Hagridisms, though.
Smaug's voice? Ron Perlman or Ian McShane.
I can get behind either Freeman of McAvoy as Bilbo. Or perhaps an unknown who can "channel" Holm as someone suggested before. -
...is what I meant to say.
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...and that's final! Must I rat you out to the Mistress?
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why not Zack Braff for Bilbo
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How do people think he did with that?
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Actually... no. But I'd still very much like to. Plus Aragorn is supposed to be hunting Gollum in Hobbit 2 n' shit. And a recast would fail big time.
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is having vertebrae removed for a role as a hobbit.
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Vaterite is a Genie- us!
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Why not? It makes just as much sense as all these other suggestions. lol
hey hobbit fans, check out this cool new movie blog by a disgruntled producer. it's on blogspot. it's called thebitterproducer -
he was born to play it.
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...are waiting by their custom built tiny phones as we speak. Bless.
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Sorry, Station Agent!
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Someone needs to tell these idiots that Aragorn does not appear in The Hobbit.
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Do you think there'll be a Lucas-style special edition of FOTR turning up later on down the line, with the flashback scene to Bilbo finding the ring being replaced by whichever actor they end up getting? Cos I can actually see that happening.
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Although in the books, Aragorn would be far too young to play any kind of role in the Hobbit, don't forget PJ has contracted the years before. Remember in the Fellowship, it is apparent that Frodo doesn't wait twenty some years (the exact numbers fail me) between the long expected party and Frodo setting out. (It did beg the question of why if Gandalf was so suspicious of the ring did he not sent it with Bilbo to Rivendell right then.) So, if PJ has contracted the years before, he may very well do so in the Hobbit--though there is not much for Viggo to do unless there are radical changes. A cameo wouldn't surprise me, with a bit of foreshadowing for whatever the second movie is about.
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for the love of go, if you can't even bother to keep up with this project, which follows events AFTER the Hobbit, at least you could bother to read THIS GODDAMN TALKBACK, where it's mentioned like 50 times...sigh...
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It wouldn't surprise me if they retro the LOTR movies to fit whomever they cast in the Hobbit. Interestingly it would be the opposite of what the dear old prof. did with his book. He altered those scenes in the Hobbit to fit what the ring would become in the LOTR!
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Just kidding.
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hater is about living in the UK nowadays? that seems to be pretty much what happens here.
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I first posted the idea on november 26th 2006, so if you can find a post you made that predates that one then kudos.
In any case, at least I didn't get it from you, but he IS a perfect fit.
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hes already lookin at other movies to do.. while doing this
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Yes use Ian Holm please.
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...still think the second movie idea is iffy.
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Is anyone really going to want to see Hater?
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Cor blimey!
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100 bucks says that orlando bloom's ego is to big to come back for this movie and therefore legolas gets left out completely in the segueway movie
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The more I see of this guy, the more I like him. He could really carry both Bilbo's initial indignation at the idea of 'adventure', and also the quick-thinking that gets Bilbo out of the stick stuff.
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hes already the right size!
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May 21, 2008 11:33:49 PM CDT
Joe Pesci is a little guy too he could be Oin or Gloin
by groothewarrior
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Damn you to hell!
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'Bilbo's ALLIIVVEE!
Born to play Thorin Oakenshield.
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Bilbo - James MacAvoy.
Thorin - Brian Blessed.
Balin - Ian McNiece.
Bard - Gerard Butler.
Beorn - Ron Perlman.
Thranduil - Doug Jones.
Smaug - John Hurt.
Now what the fuck is wrong with those choices? Exactly, nothing! :) -
Brits that do great American accents: 1)Gary Oldman, 2)Hugh Laurie 3)Tim Roth, that's just off the top of my head. Americans that do great English accents: Renee Zellwegger (I fucking despise Bridget Jones but she was spot on) 2)Gwyneth Paltros (SLiding Doors- Fucking hate it, perfect accent) and so forth. However, Americans that do serious damage to ANY accent: Kevin Costner, Keanu Reeves, I think they give the rest of their actors the bad name. The WORST accent of all time was, funnily enough, one of Britain's greatest ever accents: John Geilguld playing a southern preacher. AWFUL.
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Not sue about Gerard Butler as Bard but the rest sound OK. IMHO voice of Smaug should not be a recognisable actors voice. Maybe they could synthesise (sp?) a CG voice?!!
Wouldnt mind seeing Jason Isaacs cast somewhere, but unfortunately he can't be Thranduil after his stint in HP.
Ron Perlman for sure as Beorn, and Brian Blessed as Thorin!
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If you have listened to the BBC radio adaptation (celebrating it's 40th anniversary this year) then you will realise that any actor who is used as Smaug will have his performance 'treated' to create volume and age. Try and get hold of it if you can, it's superb.
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Yes I bought that a long time ago and in fact only recently rediscovered in a box from the attic - but alas.... it's a cassette tape! Will repurchase on CD soon, along with Farmer Giles of Ham (which is a classic in its own right)!
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Why do they need a movie to bridge the gap? Unless it's just 3 hours of a black screen reading 61 years later?
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Why do they need a movie to bridge the gap? Unless it's just 3 hours of a black screen reading 61 years later?
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Why do they need a movie to bridge the gap? Unless it's just 3 hours of a black screen reading 61 years later?
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Isn't he meant to be half-elf? I'm sure I read that somewhere...
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May 22, 2008 5:36:48 AM CDT
Oh and all dragons are Sean Connory or Liam Neeson aren't they?
by lemming
..although I'd like Peter Cullen to have some more work.
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Sean Connery. He may be cool, but you know this to be true.
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Was second choice to play Bilbo in LOTR, he's also too old for it now. But he is already hobbit sized :-)
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God, I hope this makes lots and lots of beautiful money, so they can go on to make more LOTR sequels! Maybe it can be a film series like James Bond! And if they run out of material, they can just make up their own. Maybe they can turn Roverandom into a trilogy! Trilogies are hot shit these days.
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...needs to be in more fantasy sci-fi type movies. Who else is larger-than-life on the scale that that guy is? Interviews with him are hilarious reads -- both intentionally on his part as well as unintentionally. His commentary tracks are fucking gold too.
One of the funniest slams I ever read in a review was where the critic lambasted an actor for overplaying his part by stating that "apparently, he'd been thrown out of the Brian Blessed School of Acting for laughing too loudly."
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I think the one thing that we should be working out is, who would be cast for the 13 dwarves that travel with Bilbo? 13 Dwarves, that's a hell of a lot of bearded men to be in the background for the majority of the first film...
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a force of nature- who else could be costumed in bondage gear, blatantly plastic wings to deliver some of the most atrocious lines ever writted and still be a hero?
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peter dinklage is a great actor and would be incredible in The Hobbit but after Prince Caspian and his contract for Voyage of the Dawn Treader he may not be interested in another fantasy, costume, adventure.
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I dont have a problem wiht the adaptation being different from the books, you dont see anyone moan about Jaws do you???? You cant film a book exactly like it was written, look at Harry Potters the best film was Azkaban and probably most of the book was shoved around and changed, but then you can fuck it up too, i.e. the end of the HP&TOOTP
Aragorn should look like he 30 frm the age he is about 30 until he is about 120 ish, thats what they did, they did not get too old looking even when they were 200 odd, because they did not fear death, it was the fear of Death, which illuvatar gave to men as a gift that he did not give the Eldar that cause people to die sooner and get old and tired. Thats what Tolien wrote anyway
So Viggo playing Aragorn in the seocond movie if its set during white council and dol guldur would probably be fine, but they should young up hsi beard and that just to indicate he is slightly younger in Numenorian years.
Bear in mind that the entire first film here, will be about Bilbo and the Dwarves, there will not even be that much Gandalf as he alwasy buggers off and then comes back from time to time, no Aragorn, small roles for Elrond and Gollum and possibly a very short Cameo of Legolas, (His Elves were written as bad guys in the book BTW. Until they get to Laketown and then they can have some Humans, completely different tone of film from LOTR.
Therefore the Jump from the Hobbit to LOTR for those fans who dont read books, would be quite a jump in tone. Therefore... I think the second film showing how this lighter tone of events, (well it does get a bit darker once they get to the Battle of the five Armies) is the catalyst that causes the events of LOTR is an excellent idea, but only those that were actualy involved in those events should be therei.e. no Legolas or Gimli please.
Also someone a while back said Saruman as a good guy...
Well if you read the history of the Istari, you would know thta Saruman was never a good guy even in Valinor, he wnaterd to come to Middle Earth to get the ring for himself, he was greedy for power and alwasy feared and was jealous of Gandalf, but Humble as Gandalf was (at times) he always gave Saruman his place as leader of the Istari, until he realised all too late what was going on.
So Saruman would still ahve to play that part of decieveing everyone and having his own schemes
In fact does Saruman not block the sacking of Dol Guldur as long as he can? And Galadriel wanted Gandalf to be the leader of the WC not Saruman!
All of these plot lines and skullduggery make for an interesting story, hope they make it before Chris Lee dies off.
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There are ways they could show some of the footage from the old history of ME in flashback.
Sauron, when they discover who the Necromancer really is, Gandlaf could explain soem of Morgoth and Saurons history.
Numenor - this could be explained in aragorns peoples backstory.
Children of Hurin - some of his could be shown explaning how Dragons came into being and the first Dragon that was killed by Turin.
If done correctly these would realy enhance the big scale of these films and show us some of the History told in the Silmarillion????
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I cant belive that no one has suggested Clancy Brown.
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That would be cool, SKULL1138. I think the battle of Dol Guldur will be the culmination of the second movie, with Mirkwood elves and Gandalf and the other four wizards gathered to drive out The Necromancer. Could be pretty fucking badass and dramatic, especially with Del Toro channeling his "Pan's Labyrinth" vibe.
Guillermo and the writers may choose to touch on the larger history of Middle Earth too. In subtle ways, not sweeping info-dumpy expositions.
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About Dol Guldur (from wikipedia.com):
"Dol Guldur was established by Sauron after his return to Middle-earth somewhere after 1000 Third Age, although his identity was long unknown. Dol Guldur was originally known as Amon Lanc (bald hill), and had been the capital of Oropher's Silvan Elves, who had departed north to the Black Mountains (later known as the Mountains of Mirkwood). After Sauron took over Amon Lanc, Thranduil son of Oropher led his people over the Forest River, where they remained.
The White Council long feared the power in Dol Guldur might be Sauron. In 2063, Gandalf went to Dol Guldur, and Sauron, not yet powerful, fled to the east, returning in 2460 just as the One Ring was obtained by Sméagol the Stoor. However, the Ring disappeared with Sméagol under the Hithaeglir.
In 2845, Thráin II, King of Durin's folk in exile and holder of the last of the Seven Rings of the Dwarves, was imprisoned in Dol Guldur's dungeons. In 2850 Gandalf again entered Dol Guldur, finding the dying Thráin, and was entrusted with the map and key to give to Thorin Oakenshield, although Thráin could not tell him his own or his son's name before he died. Gandalf confirmed that Sauron was the master of Dol Guldur at that time.
Gandalf returned to the White Council and urged an attack on Dol Guldur, but was overruled by Saruman, who had begun his own search for the One Ring in that area. In 2941, Saruman finally agreed to an attack, which occurred at the same time as the Quest of Erebor. This was carefully planned by Gandalf so that Sauron and Smaug could not assist each other, as they otherwise surely would have done. Sauron fled to Mordor, his plans now ready. Dol Guldur remained staffed by Khamûl, a lieutenant of Barad-dûr and second of the Nazgûl.
During the War of the Ring, the forces of Dol Guldur made three assaults upon Lórien, causing grievous damage to the outlying woodlands. They were driven back each time by the power of Nenya, which only Sauron himself could have overcome. After Sauron perished, Celeborn led the Lórien host over the Anduin and captured Dol Guldur. Thus Dol Guldur was finally cleansed by the Elves of Lórien, for Galadriel herself came forth and "threw down its walls and laid bare its pits". Renamed Amon Lanc it was part of Celeborn's realm of East Lórien for a time."
For those who aren't familiar with Tolkien's unfinished tales, I hope this helps. I don't know that much about them, either, but I've read all the books and a few of the tales.
Imagine a scene with Galadriel, in all her fiery rage, throwing down Dol Guldur's walls and laying bare its pits. Damn... -
that scene and WETA and his own people do the effects.
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...so imagine my disappointment when PJ didn't show it in Return of the King. Well, to be fair, Jackson only hinted that he was going to show other periphal action in Return and the fighting at DolGuldur, as well as the seige of Dale, was to be included. I would rather have seen a few flashed scenes of them instead of dragging out the Battle of Helm's Deep for so long. At any rate, don't expect to see that as it happened during the closing phase of the War of the Ring and not before which will be the subject of the second movie, AFAIK.I speculate that Gladriel became even more powerful after the destruction of the One Ring since she could weild it without fear of Sauron taking over. O yes, I would love to see that! Erm, unless it would show her in even more of the Electric Bugaloo stage.I would also have loved to see the Ents wiping out the force of orcs who were to lay waste to Rohan while Theoden and crew were away at Minas Tirith. Sigh, maybe some day...
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...she could weild Nenya without fear of Sauron taking over.
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Firstly, Holm is 76 (not 80) years old. Yeah, that's old. He may be too frail to play Bilbo. Maybe.Anyway, the filmmakers should offer him the role and let Holm decide whether to take it or not. He has more than earned the right, and it should be his role to take or give away.Once again, there are NO logic problems with Holm playing Bilbo as we already saw an older Bilbo beneath the Misty Mountains in flashback. And remember: the ring preseved him exactly as he was at that time. I doubt seriously that there would be a problem making Holm appear as he did at the beginning of FOTR. Alternately, casting even a 30 something as Bilbo WOULD pose a huge logic problem for the same reasons. Bilbo in the context of the films must appear to be 50-60 years old in human years. I know this doesn't jibe with the books, but neither do the LOTR films in this matter.One more time: Holm was perfection as Bilbo. There should be only one reason not to cast him again: because he doesn't feel up to it. But I have no reason to believe he'd turn it down unless he's suffering from some ailment I know nothing about.
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Avery Brooks
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Le fishus, I'm pretty sure they made an attempt to young Holm down so that he did look thirty in the beginning of fellowship. At least, he looks substantially different when he comes across the ring in the dirt than at the long expected party.
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Alan Rickman!
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... before the battle of the 5 armies, the climax of "The Hobbit".
The Appendices to LotR set out the events over the next 60 years. There's no obvious dramatic climax before Bilbo's Party.
Nothing in "Unfinished Tales" or "The History of Middle Earth" hints at a dramatic story during that period. Aragorn grows up, meets Arwen, fights battles, walks the earth having adventures and stuff, searches for Gollum and captures him, but no climactic event occurs. -
Aragorn doesn't capture Gollum until after Bilbo's party.
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May 23, 2008 8:40:12 AM CDT
I contributed to PJ's *vast* monetary fortune...
by damned if i can login
I paid for theater tickets...multiple times. I bought the first quickie edition of the Fellowship. I have all 3 mega-super-extended-mondo LOTR DVD sets. Hell, I even sprung for the stupid Nat-Geo DVD whatever that turned out to be an extended trailer for the 1st film. And let's not forget the *many* hours I've spent watching all this stuff.That being said...I do have the right to say I was disappointed (1st key word: DISAPPOINTED) that the synopsis (2nd key word: SYNOPSIS) of the story was far from intact.Am I upset that Legolas surfed down the stairs at Helm's Deep? Nope.Am I disappointed Aragorn didn't carry the Sword that was Broken? Yep.Am I disappointed that Ghan-Bhuni-Ghan was not in the films? Ummm...not really.Tom Bombadil and the Barrow-Wights? Yep.Upset that Bilbo's song about Earendil the Mariner wasn't sung at Rivendell? Hardly.Gimli being portrayed as a bumbling FOOL? Yeah...I didn't care for that.So all this talk about "Sculpture vs. Painting" doesn't hold water. It's like saying you're gonna do a sculpture of DaVinci's painting of the Last Supper, but you're throwing out half the disciples and replacing them with Roman Centurians and women for "dramatic effect"...because the general public will go for soldiers and chicks a lot more than 12 disciples.Now...will I shell out good dough for Hobbit theater tickets and Hobbit DVD sets? Undoubtedly. Will I be disappointed? That remains to be seen....but with Walsh and Boyens doing the writing....well, I'll reserve judgement until we have a product to judge.
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... in the LotR films which fell flat.
The adaptation of existing material from the novel was pretty cool in places. Classic cases: the escape from Moria, the lighting of the Beacons.
The "new" ideas (Frodo at Osgiliath, Sam sent home, Scary Faramir, Arwen's fate tied to the Ring etc) were weak and introduced contradictions into the plot.
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Exactly. And if that wasn't enough, even *more* of the original source material was axed to make room for these new, lame ideas.
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...we also got the great scene where Elrond was showing Arwen what her life would be like marrying a mortal. It even worked in a bit of back story by showing a tapestry of the Two Trees framed by Arwen standing one one side and Elrond on the other. We also had the scene where Arwen learns of a future Aldarion(sp?). So, while I do agree that most of the fictions only complicated things and left those familiar with the story baffled, I think it balanced out quite nicely in the end.That said, I certainly share the concerns over the writingirritable, don't you think the second movie could have the White Council carrying out an assault on DolGuldur as a possible climax? I think there will be plenty of ingenuity on display...for better or worse.
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Gandalf vs the Witch King. Though it has been creatively argued otherwise in the past, there's no way the WK was going to prevail over Gandalf at Minas Tirith. That sene was saved only by introducing the sound of the Rohirrim's horns bringing it almost on a par with Tolkien's original scene. Still think the latter would've been better but that would be the beginning of a pretty long list of such things, yes? In fact, I'm still stunned that Sam's gift from Galadriel was the rope! No gift box of dirt with a mallorn seed and thus no new Party Tree (needed the Scouring for that anyway...mumble, grumble) in the Shire.
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Having a few hundred Elves show up at the last minute was no substitute for Aragorn NOT having Anduril at Helm's Deep. Sigh, I guess the choice was between having Arwen bring it to him and being at the Battle of HD or having it play out the way it did.
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In fact, the storming of Dol Guldur is a logical climax to one of the movies. It's just that it occurs in The Hobbit, BEFORE the battle of 5 armies so, from the outset, the writers are messing with the Tolkien timeline.
Does it really matter? Only in so far as the writers have tended to stuff things up when they invent new plot details.
I agree that the Witchking/Gandalf slapdown was grating and unnecessary.
I guess we have to be grateful for the excision of Xarwen.
The one omission which seems remarkable, because it's the most cinematic incident in the whole novel, was the rising and dissipation of the vast black Sauronic cloud over Barad Dur as the Ring is destroyed. The collapse of the Tower in RotK was probably a technical tour de force of CGI, but the book's description of the huge column of smoke and fire in the form of Sauron seemed like an obvious opportunity for a mammoth CGI climax. -
I know that many say Tolkien's dialog wouldn't work...but some things...well, I just didn't understand why a good bit of it couldn't have been used in places. Such as the WKoA's threat to Eowyn:"Come not between the Nazgul and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shrivelled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye."I don't understand how anyone could say that this dialog is not "cinematic", or that it's confusing. Pretty damned straightforward there.I was always jazzed by Tolkien's writings of the Orc scenes in Cirith Ungol, especially where Shagrat and Gorbag (*killer* names) are fighting over Frodo's Mithril mailshirt. Like, Shagrat spins around and stabs Gorbag in the throat saying "not dead yet, eh Gorbag?" And then Shagrat leaps on the body of Gorbag, stabbing and slashing horribly, and let's out this terrible roar of triumph...and then licks the knife clean. It's one of those scenes I just can't get enough of.PJ's version was absolutely *nothing* like this...although he decided to use the knife-licking in one of his own scenes he added. Puzzling it was.And Lugburz.....what a great Orc-name for Barad-Dur!
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...yeah, and the whole conversation between Gorbag and Shagrat where all they want to do is go set up for themselves, away from all the Big bosses. heh, sounds like work to me. No wonder Tolkien agonized over whether orcs had souls or not!
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...so maybe it'll have to be a flashback or something. Of course, that would pretty much kill it as a climax. Walp, let me go home, review that bit from the Appendices and see what else I can come up with. Hey, I know, the big party Bilbo threw for Frodo when he adopted him!
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it's style maaaaaaay be a little rough, but it's still creepy as hell with an ending that's like an R-rated Twilight Zone episode, I'm very looking forward to the movie
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There is no lateness, only arriving on time.
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a year early. Then maybe you'll arive in real time to give the loser his rim job.
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He says he owes ScorchedTBurntLembas 5 bucks for banging his dick on the side of her head
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Yo mama said she'll do you and Wally 2 for 2. You'll have enough left over to pay yo sister too.
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Jun 11, 2011 6:12:13 AM CDT
scorchedtburntlembas, is your mamma still walking funny after Orcus banger her up the ass?
by orcus
Orcus heard that she can no longer walk out on windy days since she now makes this WOOOOOOOOO noise. That and the doctor looked up her ass and saw the top of her head.
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Jun 11, 2011 6:17:19 AM CDT
Banged actually, Orcus mistyped when your mom bit the tip of Orcus' cock
by orcus
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I see you're still fixated on your limp dick and lame i fucked your mother in the ass insults.
work on your dick problem with a new blowup doll. They don't mind when you can't get it up.
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