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First Wayne played Genghis Khan, then Heston played a Mexican and now Gyllenhaal plays the PRINCE OF PERSIA!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. In the grand Hollywood tradition of casting a well known actor in a role that is out of their ethnicity, Jake Gyllenhaal has been cast as the PRINCE OF PERSIA for Disney's next attempt at making a Pirates of the Caribbean franchise. So has Gemma Arterton, who will be seen as a Bond Girl in QUANTUM OF SOLACE.
What the hell, right? I like Gyllenhaal and Arterton is cute. I'm sure we'll get some really solid Middle Eastern actors in supporting roles. I would have loved to have seen this series create a new star and give someone new a chance, but it is Hollywood afterall. Here's hoping it'll be a fun ride from Jerry Bruckheimer.
PS While the Variety story is a confirmation that he has signed, Latino Review first broke Gyllenhaal's involvement a month and a half ago!
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and first..
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Do I another reason to avoid this movie?!
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Where the Prince misses the jump and lands in the spikes. And then reloads the game. 500 times before getting it right.
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What's next, the Zork Trilogy? Marble Madness 3D? Joust?
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Seemed like his star was on the rise when he was in a lot of solid supporting roles for a while there, then suddenly he vanished. Not sure being in this would be any help to him though, kinda feels right up there with that Dragonball Z movie to me. Also, nice to see Jake in an adventure movie. He's been in far too many pretentious dramas in my opinion. Now watch this be another somber socio-political statement that takes itself too seriously.
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Where the bad guy will be the most ethnic looking person in the entire movie?
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So apparently I was the only one who thought if they used a white boy it should be Ben Barnes? At least he kind of resembles the Prince. Ah well...
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...how funny!
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so maybe Disney is not the dumba** this time
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Disney wants this to be their next live action franchise. I hope they understand that it was Depp's genius (with some help from the writers and Verbinski) which created an iconic character and hit film. Gyllenhaal is the Orlando Bloom for this film and that is okay only IF Disney/Bruckheimer can "capture lightning in a bottle" (phrase of the week) in some way with another Depp/Jack Sparrow-level creation. That will be difficult and highly unlikely, so PoP will likely end up as mediocre as the Narnia, Harry Potter or Mummy series.
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This movie is going to be awful. I'm Crow3711, and I approve this message.
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not an original idea in sight. Go now to the AICN frontpage. Nearly everything is sequels, remakes, adaptations and "re-imagined" TV shows.
I appreciate that most of these are carried off well, and I absolutely love the new Battlestar and Iron Man, but is it too much to ask for an original idea?
Seriously. The only story I noticed about something even slightly original was a film about WACO.
Fuck me, I've seen more stuff about that than I ever want to see in my life. I certainly don't want to see some fucking Hollywood re-telling of a story that had more media coverage than almost any event in history!!!
Sory for the incoherent rant, but a film based on a fairly shitty computer game (oh, and give me ONE example of a good computer game adap) has pushed me over the edge.
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May 20, 2008 7:46:18 PM CDT
is there any way to break up paragraph's in this message board
by montimer
test. test
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Wow, Jake is a way better actor than Orlando.
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Robert Downey Jr. is playing a WHITE australian actor who tries to play a black character. its not like they cast downey as a black guy. His role is just the opposite, totally making fun of an actor trying to play another race. damn, i hate ignorance and people who talk without knowing the facts.
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I'm looking forward to Kal Penn and John Cho as white guys in the remake of Short Circuit
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Paleface whiter-than-white Gyllenhaal is the honky Prince of Persia? WTF? What kind of racist shit is this?
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Wow! What an utterly SHITTY casting decision! This actually makes me laugh AND cry.In terms of being front and center in a big budget movie, Gyllenhaal was acceptable in THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW, but that's only because the role required him to be a bland wimp-ass that the girl didn't even want to be with -- which suited his bland wimp-ass persona just fine. For crying out loud, Gyllenhaal has only ONE acting emotion -- it's that vacant, doe-eyed effeminate look which says "I have NO testosterone in my body. None at all." Someone above called it right. The reason PIRATES worked so well with Depp is because he actually IS a great actor who could bring an entire persona to the part, one that was so strong that it literally leapt off the screen.So I laugh because sleepy-eyed Gyllenhaal is the LAST person I'd consider to be the lead in an ACTION franchise like PoP -- that is if it's even going to TRY and be like the games.And this makes me cry because I love the PoP games, and sleepy-eyed Gyllenhaal is the LAST person I'd consider to be the lead in an ACTION franchise like PoP -- that is if it's even going to TRY and be like the games. Which now I know it's NOT!
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But I'm sure a true Middle Easterner will be cast as the brutish, barbaric villain.
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...but goes on to use racial slurs. Nice one, dumbcunt.
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I went to IMDB to check out something about Gyllenhaal and discovered that his OTHER picture in development is UNTITLED MOON PROJECT. The description for it says..."An action film centered around one crew's expedition to the moon during a time of frenzied interest in lunar colonization."I then noticed that DOUG LIMAN is listed as the Director, and I thought to myself "Ah, so I can count on this being his follow-up to that stellar Hayden Christensen film JUMPER." At which point I clicked on the link for Doug Liman to see what else he might be up to......Only to discover he's ALSO listed as helming -- wait for it -- JUMPER 2 for release in 2011.What the fuck??? Is there actually some sort of demand for JUMPER 2?!? Hollywood, do us all a favor: just shoot yourself now and be done with it! Obviously you have NO idea what movies to make anymore!!!!
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...since they were bronzing Yul Brynner and Charlton Heston to play Egyptian royalty.
On top of which, it's not like they went and got someone who can appear to be brash, princely or dangerous. If they're going with Jake G, I guess we can expect a Peter Parker-type Prince -
they all hate our freedom. or so i've been told.
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it's like every brain impaired 12-year-old talkbackers jumped in all at once...is The Hills on commercial or something?
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I'd read that he'd been asked and agreed months ago. Guess this is just the official announcement now.
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You just know that they'll be more 'authentic' for the villain.
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really wish they would have cast an unknown... but i guess jake is a bit more marketable..
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My mind hurts putting Jake's face on the game case for Sands of Time...looks so.....awkward.
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... i wouldnt cast him anyway. great actor, but not the athletic type. even if he did build up the physical look, he still doesnt have it. thats why he was considered for spider-man, because he contrasts an athletic role. thats a positive in spider-man, but not in this.
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Persians came from the Steppes of Russia and were primarily caucasian. Many still are. The darker features come from the Arabs conquering Persia and mixing in. Iran means "Arian". If anything, Mr. Gyllenhaal may be too fair to play an ancient Persian.
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touch of evil was solid.
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Jake is a bit 'white bread' to be the Prince of Persia (please correct me if I'm wrong). I mean, I fukkin love the kid - Donnie Darko was fan-fookin-tastic but seriously...the Prince of Persia? They may as well have Rose McGowan play Margaret Thatcher while they're at it.
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It'll work, like someone said, presians are more eurpoean
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Um...I meant to say Mr. Gyllenhaal may not be fair enough to play an ancient Persian. Man I hate when I screw up a good argument with a typo.
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i have been sufficiently schooled to accept this casting. crazy aryans.
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C'mon, fire that casting agent.
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The game was amazing!
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I HAD A BONNER!
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if you dont get why Downey is playing a white guy pretending to be a black guy you dont know shit about film.
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Robert Deniro as the Jew in Casino.
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of Persia (yes, the old PC side scroller). That said, the new games are great too...but Jake Gyllenhaal!!??...in the immortal words of Yoda...."break me a fucking give!"...
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I hope you are taking the piss, because no person in their right mind would let something like that get under their skin. Hyper-sensitive, politically correct rhetoric (not unlike what you are promoting) causes more problems than Downey ever could playing a white guy... playing a black guy... in a movie... ahem... try and find the humor in it - sheesh.
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I mean, what the hey right...
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i hate it when i do that. i didnt want there to be any confusion.
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Dummies.
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Now, bear in mind, I just got off the phone with Kelvin Chavez over at Latino Review and it seems like AICN is giving a fellow movie blog the old brush off. Linking to a more mainstream publisher of movie news rather than a "friend". Latino Review gives props to AICN in their article "Why Both Variety and Hollywood Reporter Both SUCK!" I mean IGN got it right, why the hatred to the Latino readers throughout the world wide web Quint? Hmmmm?
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Revisit your histroy books...not the internet. The steps of Russia? What the hell are you referring to? Plus, it's not Arian...it's ARYAN. Which has been debunked by historians, geneticists, and anthropoligists. Indo-European influence in ancient Persia was far from caucasian. The climate and evolutionary geography wouldn't allow it.
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this will, too, regardless of the lead actor.
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So He can he pan on this Turducken.
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I'm amazed, Shia didn't get this role? What the fuck. That just made George Lucas neck fat jiggle.
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has to do with linguistics, unless you're referring to the Iranian Shah's renaming of the nation to buddy up with the Nazi's. And, sorry, but any human can live in any human settlement (every major city, regardless of geography, has every "race" as natives).
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I didn't credit Variety with the scoop, I credited them with the confirmation that he's signed. I wasn't away of Latino Review's rumor, but now that it has been brought to my attention, I have credited them accordingly. I promise I wasn't ignoring or brushing off anybody and I think you were out of line accusing me of hating Latinos.
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"away" was supposed to be "aware"
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Even if you went with a non-Persian actor you they could have gotten some who at least looks like they come from that part of the world...like a young Keanu Reeves. Even that Ben Barnes dude in Narnia would have been a better choice.
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He looks the role at least, and could be doing some good after Caspian...haven't seen it yet, but I hear he's convincing.
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Quint, I think you solved the credit issue. LationReview broke the rumor. Variety has the confirmation. But I don't think nomihs was saying you had hated for Latinos as a people... but Latino Review readers. All good now?
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I'm Latino.
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They cast him as a Dwarf too. Fucking Hollywood.
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Just know there is $150+ million on the line and you have to have a name to make money. And usually those names are Caucasian pretty people. I know this sucks and that the more money, the more white-washed it is, but that's the business. It's why the first Jet Li / Jackie Chan collaboration is about a WHITE KID. I hate it, but it's a fact that shouldn't shock you every time it happens. Also, where is all the outrage over Cate playing a Russian villain in Indy?
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Didn't Curtis save him from Marwan?
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However, this is why Iron Man rocks. Because Terrance Howard was not stunt casting, he was true to the character but also a strong acting choice. And he hopefully will play a complex villain in the next one. So hopefully it's changing little by little. But count the non-white people in all of 2008's blockbusters. And you get Terrance, Will Smith, and Jet Li in the Mummy.
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Yes, you are correct Quint about the credit issue. Also, being sarcastic to a complete stranger via letters grouped together to make a sentance can be tough. Sorry for the confusion, I am sure you don't hate Latinos or anyone who reads Latino Review, well maybe some of their readers.
And by the way, this isn't the only movie to be miscast at first, then come back and bite the naysayers in the ass. Just sayin', who would've thought Bale could've pulled of Batman at first casting eh? -
May 21, 2008 12:57:00 AM CDT
Why would Terrence Howard be a villain in Iron Harder?
by pops freshemeyer
Last I checked Jim Rhodes wasn't ever a villain.
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Pre-War Machine... when the Iron Man suit makes Rhodes go crazy and Stark has to stop him. Hopefully they'll use some of that because it adds depth to their friendship. Also, I think Jake Gyllenhal would be perfect as the Mandarin.
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should have been
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As long as they don't ruin it with a second and third as half-assed as pirates', I don't think having a white boy play the Prince will be too detrimental to the film.
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May 21, 2008 1:08:55 AM CDT
Think I read maybe two comics with Rhodey as War Machine.
by pops freshemeyer
Pretty sure they were all part of an extremely lame Avengers crossover. Why I haven't killed myself yet, I'm not sure.
Anyway, I figured that was what you were referring to, but I don't know, I'd much rather see them bring in other Iron Man villains like....um, I don't know, a bottle of Nighttrain? -
This is like subconscious racist bullshit. Like everyone here, I am sure they will hire a "middle-eastern" guy as the villain though. Maybe some token 'ethnics' as cannon fodder. You know, cause only the white man can be noble and deliver the oppressed from evil.
This is a fuken joke...gonna shit in a sock and chuck it at the cast at the premiere.
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Damn you to hell!
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had to throw that in ;-)
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Another black guy plays Jim West. Black guy plays Harvey Dent. Ah, yes. I remember when people said it was wrong that black people were'nt in Lord of the Rings. Isn't it time to put this PC shit to rest instead of making asses of yourselves?
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Stupid casting. Why?
- Persian argument aside: Jake is too much of wimp too play such an iconic character.
- Jake is not a physical actor. He doesn't really have that manly presence required for such a role.
- Jake as the Prince? Really? This is a joke, isn't it?
Only one actor could have played that role and that was John Abraham (Water). The dude was made to play that character - he looks Persian (Indian origin but has persian connections), is built like a tough guy and is an action actor (okay, so in India but that's not a bad thing). But the casting idiots have done it again - 'shall we cast an actor cos he is right for the role?' or because the producers are only interested in money, not entertainment, and thus go for a NAME?'
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People say Spielberg and Lucas ruined Hollywood. Actually it was Simpson and Bruckheimer.
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You might as well cast a white guy to play Malcolm X.
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I don't think it's so much that an actor should or shouldn't play outside of their race - it's that with the scales so heavily tipped in favor of white actors - it leaves no room for actors of other ethnicities to get any real work. It's especially unnerving when the role is clearly for a Persian and there are capable Persian actors out there who will probably never see a role offered them that isn't the villain or other stereotype.
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Seriously, I thought we were done with this garbage, Still I guess with all the fuss people make over a Black Nick Fury (even though Fury IS BLACK now (ultimates) AND was set up to be Sam Jackson IN THE COMIC) I shouldn't be surprised. Along with the ANY ORIENTAL WILL DO approach to casting Korean's as Japanese, and so on.
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bruckheimer keeps making turd after turd, but you geeks keep watching them. never mind that you turn pirates3 into a huge blockbuster, but now you have even turned national treasure into a bonafide franchise.
and since when has an actor of different ethnicity be given a chance by you? yeah? did you go see kungfu hustle? the host? paradise now? amores peros? did any of those make money stateside?
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(1) More than geeks watch Bruckheimer. In fact, I would say geeks are a SMALL proportion of Bruckheimer's wide appeal audience. (2) The first "Pirates" was pretty great. (3) "National Treasure" was terrible, yet it was WAY better than "The Da Vinci Code," which NT was ripping off. Do you blame Bruckheimer for aiming low and succeeding... or Ron Howard for not even making a good film? (4) I would say geeks are the ones who gave "Kung Fu Hustle" and "Oldboy" and "The Host" an audience. Geeks worship "Lost" and "Heroes" which are filled with ethnic roles. (5) Lay off the geeks. We take risks in what we see. The point is Hollywood is not taking risks in what they THINK an audience wants to see. Even if that means trusting that an audience don't mind ethnic actors as leads, especially if the parts are ethnic. (6) And I think the other problem is that white or not, Jake doesn't really seem like he could kick anyone's ass, let alone be an acrobat and jump off walls before beheading someone.
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I thought it before superman returns came out, and I still think it now everytime i see his face or hear his name!
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Yeah, J.G. for a persian is a lame idea, true. I agree. But, keep in mind, this is a videogame adaptation about TIME TRAVELING SAND! I think realism may be strained a bit. But, hell, if it's a hit and they spawn a series out of it, Gyllenhall will be great for the darker aspects of Warrior Within and 2 Thrones. Play the games, they rule all.
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you would have thought he'd have known better, Bruckheimer on the other hand....
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He's gone really fat and I'm not sure he's quite ready for a starring central role in a movie franchise. But then...is Gyllenhaal?
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Prince of Persia is alot older than the current series. It may not be the Sands of Time arc at all...
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I'm all for sarcasm... and am a pretty sarcastic bastard myself in every day life... But sometimes it's hard to read sarcasm in the written word. My apologies for jumping to the conclusion that you were serious.
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You know, after hearing all this bullshit about how Hollywood casts Middle-Easterners/Muslims in "nice" roles, I find this to be frankly appalling. Maybe Middle-Easterners would actually like us better if we all just looked at each other as just regular people. ... ... ... ...ahhh idealism...
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It's considered ok to higher the most qualified person for a job regardless of race, yet when casting for a role suddenly race is the most importent part hmmm?
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Like the first Pirates. Straightforward adventure movie about a young prince, the daughter of the maharajah, a magical dagger and an evil Vizier. Sands of Time had surprisingly good narrative for a video game. Everything fell into place. Would make a good, solid movie.
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dammit. need coffee before I post.
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Easy. Edward G Robinson in "The Ten Commandments".
"Where's Yer God Now, Mo-zhes? Hah? HAAHHH? Mnyah." Fucking Gold. -
Damn You Michael Bay
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to Indo-Europeans.Persians ARE the original Indo-Europeans. Iran literally means "Aryan". the Indo-Iranian branch of Indo-Europeans is the oldest and most distinguished one.they were basically the first Indo-Europeans to become civilized (not counting the ones who invaded India because they were absorbed into preexisting civilization). whereas modern day Europeans are some of the latest in human history.the nordic/germanic tribes left asia to take over uninhabited europe very recently in history, and even more recently destroyed the Roman empire (and all their Greek idealogical heritage). ironic how white people in europe (outside of greece) and north america are closer to the Persians in 300 than the Greeks both in terms of ethnicity and idealogies.in recent times Iranians mixed with other people from the middle east.the only modern European ethnicity that came out of the caucasus anywhere near as early as the Iranians (who went south) were the Slavic tribes that are in Russia/Ukraine today (they went north)... technically not Europeans.gyllenhaal with some makeup and costume would look like a completely normal Persian of the time. but since we know who he is it might be a bit jarring. it would've been better to cast an unknown.
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some French would be the closest ethnically to modern day Iranians.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alansthere's plenty of that in both.
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i wonder how the iranians will actually receive this or if they'll at all be amused. they caused a fuss in the media about 300.
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Were utter dog shit. The first one was entertaining mainly due to Depp, who became tiresome in the sequels. Knightley and Bloom barely registered, Nighy, Fat own the screen in other films but were wasted so I will give this a miss...Also they should really cast someone at least ethnic looking, so agree with Naveen Andrews who plays Sayid on Lost or the chap who plays Dr Suresh on Heroes. Gyllenhall has the screen presence of gangrine foot.
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I've never read Latino Review, but from what I've gathered lately from this site, they seem to really be on top of their shit over there. Good job, Latino Review.
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oh, wait, 'cause Lucas still hasn't sued Disney for Pirates of the Caribbean...
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Also I thikn they'll be ditching the whole Sands of Time storyline.
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Tell me you are joking. Seriously. Tell me that was a joke response. Cos if it wasn't - and you can't see how illogical your response was - man, the world is in trouble.
Hint: Prince of PERSIA. Re-read the PERSIA bit. PERSIA. Do you see it? PERSIA. Now look at this job title DOCTOR. Do you see it? DOCTOR. Not US Doctor. Or British Doctor. Or Persian Doctor. Just DOCTOR. Do you see where I am going with this? Do you? Hmm? PERSIA. Prince of PERSIA. Not AMERICA. But PERSIA. Not China but PERSIA. Can you see it now? If you can't, then you'll probably accept Denzel Washington playing the role of George Washington cos hehehe he's the best man for the job. Or I know, why not get Sylvester Stallone to play Lara Croft - cos it would be political correctness gone mad to hire a woman for that job - especially since Stallone would be the most qualified person. Right? Sigh...PERSIA. PERSIA. I know, lets hire a British cockney bloke from London to play Nintendos Italian Mario in a movie and - oh, hold on... -
There are a LOT of blue eyed, fair skinned people there. Really.
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..hasnt been the same since Jasmine ran off with that Hunchback dude from France. And now that he's been partying with Lohan and Hilton, I suspect a rehab stint soon. He needs this gig people. Otherwise he'll just become another statistic.
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for this? dude runs miles and miles a day. he was pretty damn big in Jarhead. its not Donnie Darko, folks.
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i'd be impressed. the rest of you are fucking hippocrites. and arabs dont count. you really think they are gonna cast someone no one has ever heard of?
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You heard of Brandon Routh before Supes Returns?? No, didnt think so. Funny how they still cast him?
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May 21, 2008 9:00:35 AM CDT
Quint pens the single most stupid thing in this site's history
by arcadiands
anyone who compares Jake Gyllenhowmanyconsonantsdoesoneneedhall to John Wayne and Charlton Heston is absolute, weapons-grade retarded.
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I care that I will probably laugh out loud when I see Jake Gyllenhaal try to sword fight, do parkour inside a fucking castle, and wear a determined and hardass look on his face. I'm laughing already! No se puede!
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i think you missed the point of the article title, dude.
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a C-grade actor to star in these crappy video game movies. not sure if Gyllenhall is an improvement.
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needs to re-watch Jarhead - I've never seen anyone on this board but ... I guarantee hes more dieseled up than anyone on this board. Not a huge fan of his but don't say he doesn't have the physical presence.
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I spent five years learning Farsi and living in the Middle East. My language teachers were all Iranians, all of whom were highly educated. And none of them were dark-skinned or dark-haired. They could've been mistaken for North Americans or Europeans if they didn't have such a distinctive accent. SmokeMonsterLovesKate is exactly right. Also, I know it is "aryan" and not arian. Another typo. Please oh please forgive me all of you who are perfect-spelling wordsmiths!
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thank you. as if you need fucking Sargent Slaughter to play the Price of Persia.
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Is that he's a passive actor.
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Persians aren't Arabs.
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for Batman, and no one will buy Toby Maguire as Spiderman...fans have second guessed casting decisions since day one. As far as ethnic casting, yes, this is Hollywood, and Schlomo Jomo is not going to be the lead in an expensive possible tentpole for any studio. As far as Gyllenhal, he can be physically imposing when needed although that isn't a factor for this role. Question is, will anyone care when this comes out? A loved but not widely known video game title?
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Jake Gyllenhal? Are you kidding me? Shia is perfect for this! Oh, well, I guess I'll just have to be satisfied that Shia is the new Indy...
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... is going suckkkk so badddd. Jake should not be doing this.
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That phrase does not mean anything. Ethnicity refers to a person's origin and can refer to caucasian, afro-carribean etc and theirs subgroups. Ethnic-looking is a borderline offensive phrase - it paints people not of a familiar colour as being 'foreign' or 'other'i.e not one of us. Makes me uneasy.
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I love how giant Hollywood movies can just pick anyone to be any race/ethnic character (Daniel Craig and the entire cast of Munich), for movies that should've had actors that at least look like they come from that culture. But then for movies like Kite Runner, where yes it is very culture of the film is very important, they have to go and take kids directly from Afghanistan and essentially totally fuck up their lives. When a kid from a much more lenient country would have been fine. I don't think people who saw Kite Runner, would have known the difference if the kids were from Afghanistan or Italy. I don't understand where they decide to draw the line?
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The entertainment industry in this country is trying to brainwash people into thinking GEEKS ARE COOL. Well they are not. They can make Shia the new Indy & Geekenhaal a prince, but they still suck. They've pushed ganster rap music & games about car theft. Wake up people - no wonder our society is going down the toilet. In other countries people are living longer & growing taller & getting a better quality of life. Our dollar is becoming more wothless every day & we risk becoming a second rate nation. Stop pandering to the lowest common denominator & take our country back from ultra liberal disease. It's great we have a all inclusive society, but we now risk electing someone who has no experience & is just a smooth talker.
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Persia (such as it was) no longer exists so suck it up.
Free your mind,
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at a comic book store back in early 05 this disgusting comic book groupie was saying jessica alba was too ethnic looking to be sue storm. I just thought it was funny. Brando and Heston played Mexicans, and were pretty great so if someone's a good actor their ethnic background shouldnt come into play. Is Jake in their league though??
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Just to sidetrack to something mentioned above... That article doesn't say Williams has confirmed he's composing them, it's obvious someone's looked up his future project and his name was attached to Potter 6, Man of Steel and Jurassic Park IV as he's creditied with creating the themes. Nicholas Hooper has already been confirmed as composer for Half-Blood Prince. Williams is due to return for the finale.
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Cliff Curtis for this role? I know he's not ethnically correct. But he is slowly becoming a big action star (haven't seen 10,000 BC though which looks to be his biggest leading role yet). And he was good in that movie where Ethan Hawke was downgraded from star to co-star for Oscar "ETHNIC" quota purposes. Just as long as they don't end up with that Syid guy from Lost he would be terrible. Not quite as bad as Legars bottom, because at least he has some emotion. Ledgars bottom has only been in one movie where his acting mattered, October Sky.
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May 21, 2008 3:40:24 PM CDT
Why does Hollywood insist on casting white people as Persians?
by leafar the lost
Couldn't they cast someone whiter than Jake Gyllenhaal? I am surprised that Shia LaBeouf wasn't even considered...
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http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/specials/bachelors/mag/jake_gyllenhaal.jpg
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http://www.gameguru.in/images/prince-of-persia-2.jpg
Really?
I was officially psyched for the film when they said they planned to make it the next POTC franchise but now...
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Make-up better be Oscar-worthy.
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why the fuck would we be outraged about Cate being a Russian? They are fucking white as snow and so is she? Are you a dumbass or something?
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While I definitely agree this casting is WAYYYYYY off the radar, everybody laughed and winced and hated the casting of Michael Keaton in a little movie called Batman in 1989, and yet until Christian Bale, he was the best one to don the batsuit. Now i'm not saying that Gyllenhall is on the same level as Keaton, not even close, I am just pointing out that odd casting doesn't always spell disaster.
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(1) small proportions or not, geeks are still part of the problem. bruckheimer makes shit(except for that 2 movies). if you guys keep watching, he'll keep giving you the same.
(2) WTF ron howard gotta do with anything??? i'm talking about geeks and bruckheimer. it's not a healthy relationship!
(4) yeah? the one or two of you maybe. oh you think if the same geeks who went into the LOTR movies went also to kungfu hustle, the movie will flop stateside? and oh, lost and heroes have WHITE leads.
(5) it's hard for hollywood to take chances with 100 or so millions dollars projects, when it's been proven again and again you won't even go see a stephen chow's movie with one tenth the budget.
(6) jake's a great actor. if keanu can do kungfu, and toby can swing like tarzan, jake can do anything. he's not the problem, it's the american audience. -
I mean it's Bruckheimer and they're looking to make it the next POTC. Think about it. I think it's fairly obvious from that that they're not going for realism. So who cares what ethnicity the lead actor is? Besides how many white people have played Sinbad?
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Do you guys remember that SNL skit where Andy Sandberg sang that love song "Iran So Far" to Ahmadinejad? Well if you remember Jake popped up in it because he was supposed to look like him. I guess that qualifies him to play the prince of Persia. LOL
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It's time for change, dammit!!Hey, I'm throwing a party this weekend. Anybody got a number for a good Kenyan mariachi band?
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May 22, 2008 3:35:37 AM CDT
Sorry, Rogueleader, I don't agree with your Keaton analogy AT AL
by big dumb ape
The problem is the characters themselves. Casting Keaton made brilliant sense because of something Burton himself noted back when they were filming, though the fanboys didn't "get it" at the time simply because the batsuit was kept tightly under wraps. Basically, Burton pointed out that Batman is two people. First, you have Bruce Wayne, millionaire playboy, who onscreen has to exude a strong sense of LIKABILITY to the viewing audience, to dramatically show WHY he always gets his way in the boardroom or the bedroom. And Keaton at the time was considered a likable star, seeing him on the screen people just LIKED him and thus took to Bruce Wayne.But second, there was something that Burton and Keaton knew -- something that all the fans weren't aware of UNTIL that historic day when Warner Bros. released the first trailer and people literally went bat shit over it. Come on, remember your history: anyone remember how people were literally sneaking out of their own movies at the theaters at the malls and multiplexes at the right time JUST to see the BATMAN trailer? Anyone remember what a media sensation that first trailer actually caused back in 1989? And it was because of my second point. The ace that Burton and Keaton had kept up their sleeves was that Batman would NOT go running around in a cloth costume like Adam West - instead he was going to have this fucking molded rubber suit that made even Keaton look totally BAD ASS. When the first stills were released of Keaton standing next to the Batmobile, which itself looked cool as all fuck to people, everyone suddenly realized "Holy shit! They really ARE playing this straight!"...and hence a blockbuster was born.PRINCE OF PERSIA's casting doesn't have the luxury of that same one actor/duel role structure. Gyllenhaal is your lead, straight through, and he doesn't get to put on a molded Persian cloth outfit. He doesn't get to wear a mask to hide his face, where so long as he has a cleft chin it will still look good. It's HIM...He's the guy we have to LOOK AT THE WHOLE TIME, which is why everyone is instantly gagging big time over this. The analogy to Keaton being likable Keaton onscreen and then suiting up to leap into action is just not a comparable case to this HORRIBLE miscasting...
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...Well not really hairy since they shell out a lot of cash for monthly Brazilian waxes, etc.! (I know from firsthand experience with Persian chicks)
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on who SHOULD have done this.
Alexander Siddig is about 20 years too old for the part, and what does that leave us as far as young dark skinned actors? Kal Penn? Please, the guy sounds like Dell Customer Support everytime he speaks. -
Point well made, and I must say when you put it the way you did, I have to agree 100% with you. Oh and thank you for not being insulting like alot of other talkbackers do. What do you guys think if they cast that guy from The Mummy movies as PoP? Oded Fehr, he surely looks the part. Too bad it wont happen, maybe they will cast him as PoP's sidekick, wich would be retarted.
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...there are a lot of Iranians who, though they have dark, almost black hair, have very light skin. They tend to live in northern Iran near the Caspian Sea. There are also Iranians with light hair and blue eye, though it's somewhat rare. Persians are not Arabs, and do not look like Arabs. Wonder if they'll find a role in this for Shohreh Aghdashloo, who IS Persian. Hope so.
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Oded Fehr was actually the first person I thought of when they announced this thing. The only problem he's 37 and in Hollywood or Bruckheimer's eyes he's probably considered too old for the part versus Gyllenhaal who is 27. Which is sort of fucked up because Harrison Ford was 33 when STAR WARS came out and no one thought Han Solo was old and ready to be put out to pasture, and certainly no one thought he was an unbelievable action hero when RAIDERS came out and he was actually 39 (2 years OLDER than Oded is now). Speaking as someone who has turned the big 4-0 and who is in good shape and feels like he's in the prime of his life, I fucking hate aegism in Hollywood since they keep skewing things YOUNGER, which to me makes things like "action heroes" more and more UNBELIEVABLE since they aren't MEN leaping into action anymore, it's just teens and kids who somehow think at 22 (or younger) they've learned all their is to learn in the world.I thought Oded was great in THE MUMMY FILMS. He was dashing, heroic, good looking -- but the knock he might have had against him is that he wasn't the classic blond-haired, blue eyed white guy. But for a PRINCE OF PERSIA movie, I think he would have been great. Ironically, when I played the games and thought of a movie version, he was who I first pictured...
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