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QUEER AS FOLK’s Davies Out, JEKYLL’s Steven Moffat In As DOCTOR WHO Showrunner!!

Published at: May 20, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST by hercules

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Russell T. Davies, who has overseen “Doctor Who” since its return to the BBC in 2005, is stepping down as series showrunner. When the series resumes with a 31st season in 2010, Davies will be succeeded by longtime “Who” writer-producer Steven Moffat, who created “Jekyll” and wrote a screenplay for “Tintin,” a big-screen kids’ adventure Steven Spielberg may direct. Read more on the matter here.

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  • May 20, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Anyone know if Torchwood is coming back?

    by GdawgCLT

    ?

  • May 20, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    FANTASTIC!!!

    by HarryBlackPotter

    This is awesome news. Stephen Moffat is by far and away the best writer New Who has (how many Bafta's has he won now?) and so the show couldn't be in safer hands. And a big thank you to Russell T Davis for his brilliance and wit which dragged Doctor Who into the naughties and made him hip and cool.

  • May 20, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    great news!

    by Obscura

    Davies is alright, but he comes up with the same ideas over and over. and loves making people run down dark corridoors for no real reason. this could be the break this show needs to take from 'kinda alright i suppose' to totally fuckin awesome!

  • May 20, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Hallelujah!

    by pidpoid

    It's geek Xmas

  • May 20, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    RAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by carefulsilly

    Oh my word! Fabulous, fabulous news and it makes the BBC news! What the f*ck. But hey let's hope we get a 'darker' Who... Blink was simply the best episode of WHO ever, closely followed by The Empty Child and then...ah you know where this is going. LOVE HIM! Maybe.

  • May 20, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Hey: GdawgCLT

    by carefulsilly

    Friend of mine wrote an episode of Torchwood - I quote 'Heard nothing, but know John and Eve are back...' So it's back!

  • May 20, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    yay!

    by Barrymore

    This is the best possible news for DW! This could usher in another era of Who-greatness!

  • May 20, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by dj_bollocks

    Pretty much assures Doctor Who for another good few years yet... The time was right, the RTD era was getting a bit John Nathan Turner-esque... although I never thought that he would outstay his welcome...

  • May 20, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Best Dr Who news ever

    by zootlewurdle

    Grats to RTD from bringing back Who, but he just can't write an episode to save his life. Moffat, on the other hand, has written some of the best episodes since Who's return. This is great news.

  • May 20, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    They actually did the right thing?

    by supertoyslast

    Amazing that they gave the job to the best person - again. RTD was a fantastic showrunner allowing the show to have amazing range. He was just its worst (and, at times, pretty much its best) writer. Moffat is, of course, an absolutely wonderful writer. I just hope that he is as brave in his choices as showrunner as RTD was.

  • May 20, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Latest Torchwood Rumours...

    by James_O'Nasty

    Jack and Gwen will be back, as will Ianto, but Martha and Mickey will join to make it more kid-friendly, more cheeky, like Who and less X-Files...

  • May 20, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    maybe we can get the Jekyll guy as the Doctor

    by oisin5199

    that would be sweet. He could be a return to the Tom Baker era, with less romantic tension and more strangeness.

  • May 20, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Woo hoo!

    by Bono Luthor

  • May 20, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    More to the point....

    by togmeister

    .....does this mean Moffat is no longer working on the Tintin trilogy for Spielberg and Jackson?

  • May 20, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Good news Steven

    by ledsyrus

    I'm sure you can be trusted to winnow the wheat from the chaff and spare us more lazy formulaic episodes. But hopefully you can also start delivering on all that tantalising mythos, and give us a Whoniverse that feels like a living breathing four dimensional place instead of just a bunch of disconnected sets.

  • May 20, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    And there was much rejoicing!

    by SpyGuy

    Moffat is indeed The Man. And if nothing else, this means we get more than one or two episodes from him per series. <p>And I think the odds of the Tenth Doctor regenerating into the Eleventh at the end of Series Four just went up, especially with a title like "Journey's End" and appearances by all of the companions from the RTD era in the series finale.

  • May 20, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    NO MORE TRIPS TO "URANUS"! =0p

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    I mean seriously! too much farting, objects up butts and general ass jokes. enough! and now, for something completely different...

  • May 20, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    They made it official

    by MGTHEDJ

    It was rumored that Moffat was in negotiations, nice they gave him the gig. The guy "just get's it."-----later-----m

  • May 20, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Oh and...

    by dj_bollocks

    Let the Sally Sparrow for Season 5 companion rumours start here....

  • May 20, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    RTD hate

    by Antifanboy

    I'm not one of RTD's detractors, and think he's been a whipping boy for everything that isn't up to Mr Fanboy's standards (somebody was even bashing him for an episode he didn't even write!). I think he did a great job getting the series back running, making it event television, with universal appeal, and hiring some great writers. I also think it's testament to his love for this series that he is not outstaying his welcome and is leaving it in such capable hands. This is great news indeed, and the man deserves praise for his contribution to Doctor Who.

  • May 20, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I hope this makes Tennant stay on longer!!!

    by Big Dumb Ape

    It's great to hear that Moffat was given the job. I'd agree with others that he's the best writer they have. On the other hand, Davies does deserve to be highly commended from bring back WHO in such a grand, glorious and certainly fun way.<p>I just hope this change in creative personnel...combined with his time off...convinces David Tennant to stay around a bit longer. I'm not ready for another regeneration just yet. David Tennant is my all-time favorite Doctor (followed by Jon Pertwee) and with Moffat running the show and Tennant fully rested, I think we could be in for some of the most glorious and astounding WHO's ever.

  • May 20, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Moffat wrote the Two BEST episodes!

    by chromedome

    Girl in the Fireplace, and Blink <p>this is very good news!

  • May 20, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    FUCKING AWESOME

    by Killah_Mate

    The Girl in the Fireplace is still my favorite of the new series. And Blink! Sally Sparrow! I second dj_bollocks here, Sally for the companion! FANTASTIC! And I'll agree with some of the Talkbackers - Russel T Davies deserves more praise than he usually gets. He really is a mediocre writer, but he is also a very talented showrunner who pulled of the return of Dr Who in a way few others could have.

  • May 20, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I hope his skull is made of diamonds...

    by Kelvington

    because the pressure the BBC and fans will be placing on him will be enormous. I can see the talkbacks now... Well he was better when he was just writing, or Please bring back RTD. This is truly Moffat's Kobayashi Maru. But I really wish he does a great job!

  • May 20, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Tennant

    by zootlewurdle

    He's already been seen filming the xmas special so he can't be regenerating at the end of the current season. I fully expect the Dr to regenerate in one of the specials in between the current and next season.

  • May 20, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Great news

    by Azazyel

    We can all breath a sigh of relief...

  • May 20, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Yay? I thought Jekyll was supposedly all sorts of bad.

    by Yeti

    Thoughts? <p> And let the anti-gay commentators begin their victory dance!

  • May 20, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    So does this mean...

    by montimer

    that every other character WON'T be gay/bisexual in series five

  • May 20, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    This gay says "yay"

    by BeatsMe

    that's all

  • May 20, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    I liked Davies.

    by zb.brox

    Sure, a few of his episodes were cheesy as hell--I honestly did not care for the show's pilot at all--but as far as I'm concerned he made up for it with the finales to seasons 1 and 2, both of which were pretty great. Having said that, Moffat has written the best episodes of every season so far, and I am ecstatic to see him taking over the show.

  • May 20, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    And not just Sally Sparrow

    by Killah_Mate

    Let's not forget that Moffat is also responsible for the Series One 'Empty Child'/'Doctor Dances' two-parter, which gave us the man, the Legend... Captain Jack Harkness! (And also were among the best episodes of the very very good Series One.) So you see, Moffat is even more awesome than you remembered!

  • May 20, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Excellent news.

    by Cameron1

    Thank much you very much, Mr Davies for giving the character a great comeback but you haven't been able to write a satisfactory ending since Century Falls.

  • May 20, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    THIS IS GOING TO SAVE DR WHO AS A FRANCHISE

    by Ray Gamma

    No doubt about it, Moffat has turned in the darkest, creepiest episodes since the re-launch. Fantastic news.

  • May 20, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Moffat quoted from the BBC News website:

    by Ray Gamma

    ¨Moffat said that the whole of his career had been "a secret plan to get this job".¨

  • May 20, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Breaking News . . .

    by Nico Toscani

    Hulk Hogan to leave American Gladiators to play Doctor Who when the series returns in 2010. Let's travel through time brother!!!

  • May 20, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Yeah more Who!

    by Blackguard

    I really like the new Doctor Who series. I look forward to new episodes more than any other show. I even download the british episodes since they air earlier than the us ones. Some episodes are better than others but that can be said for any show. I really hope Tennant sticks around. I think he is a great Doctor. Eccleston was stupid for leaving. Maybe they can have a huge crossover that involves all the spinoffs. THAT would be cool. <p> As for Torchwood, I also read they are dumbing down the series for kids. BIG mistake. I also heard Capt. Jack would not be returning. Also a BIG mistake if true. Isn't it bad enough they killed off some of the main cast? I don't need another Sarah Jane adventures. One is enough.

  • May 20, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Tennant Supreme - And Very Big Expectations

    by Hagakure

    I know that news has been all over the spectrum about David Tennant's plans concerning the show (one week reports say he is out, the next says he will be back, etc.) but as the talented actor everyone knows he is and keeps waiting for, this has got to make him consider sticking around. Now let's just hope Moffatt lives up to the hype everyone has been giving him. (He has written some of the best episodes to date, let's just hope he can be consistent with them.) And if Tennant does decide to leave, let's go back to the Coupling partnership with Richard Coyle and Steven Moffatt.

  • May 20, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Wow. I Can't Believe They Listened To Us!

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    This is great news! I have real faith that Doctor Who will be even better in this man's hands.<p>It's surprising to suddenly see all the RTD loving in this TB but it's all true I suppose. If it wasn't for RTD, we might not even have a fifth season of Doctor Who. He made some mis-steps, wrote some mediocre episodes but overall did a great job as a showrunner and brought in some great writers and actors to help him out. Plus, it was his decision to cast Tennant who is now my favourite Doctor.

  • May 20, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Brilliant News

    by sambrook

    I can only echo what's been said already. Although will Russell T. Davies come back to write the occasional episode? Sally Sparrow as a companion is a fantastic idea, really hope Moffat goes that way. It's still two years away though...

  • May 20, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Oh happy day Oh happy day!!!

    by Lloydywho

    Thank you RTD for reviving this awesome series and I am really looking forward to the Grand Moff taking over it is going to be awesome, AWESOME I TELL YOU ALL!! Whoop whoop!

  • May 20, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Fantastic news!

    by BiggusDickus

    Bill Nighy for Doctor Who and...altogether now...<p>BRING BACK TEGAN! (Grrr!)

  • May 20, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Nice!

    by Larry of Arabia

    I hope this moves the series from "guilty pleasure" to just plain "pleasure." This show may never be dark, intense sci-fi that come crave but it sure is good, silly, moderately creepy fun.

  • May 20, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Tennant likely to be leaving

    by supertoyslast

    RTD has already stated that Tennant has a "definite leaving date" (from an interview with Mark Lawson). An earlier press release said that there would be 3 specials in 2009 starring David Tennant. The new press release says that there will be 4 specials in 2009. This makes it seem likely that Tennant will leave at the end of the third special and will not be in the fourth. It's far from certain, but it does seem probable to me.

  • May 20, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST

    ...or Carey Mulligan as Sally Sparrow

    by BiggusDickus

    Either would be aces...

  • May 20, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Good news...

    by Boba Fat

    Nothing against Davies but what else can he do with the show that he hasn't already done? Moffat, on the other hand, wrote the best episodes of the new series hands down and can hopefully take the show off in a new, exciting direction. Shame we have to wait until 2010.

  • May 20, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Nah, we don't need Sally Sparrow

    by DoctorTom

    Her story worked just fine as is. Besides, the rumor that had been out there was that Georgia Moffet would be having a much bigger part in Season 5 - the rumor was going around long before the episode showing her as the Doctor's "daughter" was broadcast.

  • May 20, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Huzzah!!!

    by Urge to Kill

    that is all

  • May 20, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST

    best day evar!

    by jccalhoun

    Wow, Moffat is announced as taking over Doctor Who and anti-videogame lawyer is found guilty of 27 counts of professional misconduct. Woot!

  • May 20, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Thank fuck

    by TinSpider

    that is all.

  • May 20, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    GREAT, GREAT NEWS!!!

    by spud mcspud

    As much as I've ragged on RTD, he's responsible for making new Who the equal of US sci-fi TV shows, at least visually. He's given us possibly the greatest Doctor ever - Tennant! - and although he's easily the worst writer (what the FUCK was up with LAST OF THE TIME LORDS?!?), on the whole he's done us proud. Were it not for RTD, new Who may not have been the megahit it has become.<P> So, respect and thanks to Russell the T for doing what he did - bringing it visually bang up to date and making it a global smash hit - and all the best for his future. And so...<P> ALL HAIL GRAND STEVE MOFFAT - AND LONG MAY HE REIGN OVER THE WHO!!!!!

  • May 20, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Can I get a

    by manicart1

    FUCK YEAH!

  • May 20, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Perhaps Who can get back to being sci-fi

    by kwisatzhaderach

    again. Moffat's episodes have all been fantastic. The best Who news since the announcemnet the show was coming back.

  • May 20, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Supertoyslast

    by manicart1

    You may be on to something here. Another cause for alarm bells to be ringing is the line given by the leader of the Ood at the end of Planet of the Ood: "Your song is coming to an end I think". Blatant forshadowing of a regeneration I think. I wouldn't be surprised if we got some news about DT's future with the show very soon!

  • May 20, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Another cheer from here

    by Dreamfasting

    I'm really looking forward to what he can do with a season arc. I'd love to see him plot out an epic conflict with the Black Guardian for example ... or revisit the mythology of Rassilon or Omega in a some sweeping mystery across time and space ... or dream up some completely new epic adversary.

  • May 20, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    BiggusDickus . . .

    by Thall_Joben

    "Bill Nighy" I second that one. He'd blow Tennant out the water. More than happy with the way the show has been brought back but I won't miss weekly gay off. Not for homophobic reasons, it's just getting a little repiticious.

  • May 20, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    I hope we DON'T hear news about Tennant soon

    by sambrook

    It would be amazing if we had a regeneration without knowing it was happening (for definite, ofreshadowing hints are OK, I mean having it confirmed) and we didn't know who the replacement was. Genuine surprises are what this show's missing, they need to find a way around the leaks, official or otherwise.

  • May 20, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Worth the wait

    by Tyrion's Tyrannical Todger

    2010, and I don't care. We need a break from Doctor Who, Moffat needs time to get his vision together. Hopefully, he'll use that time to sketch a few seasons out. It's good that we'll have the specials in 2009, but if Moffat can use the time wisely, S5 should be awesome.

  • May 20, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    I reckon

    by executiverocker

    David should do at least one series with Steven Moffat. The things that could be achieved...

  • May 20, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Jekyll started rocky but ended all kinds of awesome

    by CrichtonAstronut

  • May 20, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    And I can't wait to seewhat he does with Doctor Who

    by CrichtonAstronut

    possible Eleventh rumors incvlude Nebitt from Jekyll and Robert Carlylse. But as far as I know nothing confirmed. Sounds crazy but I think that guy who played Jeffery on Coupling might make agood Doctor he has a quirky look and manner. Still think Des ould be awesome. And thank you RTD for four brilliant years.

  • May 20, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    News on Torchwood is less Jack more family friendly

    by CrichtonAstronut

    Martha joins so does Mickey. Gwen's still on, and for some reason only 5 episodes are slated for the fifth season. Hate only 5 eps, hope they don't cut Jack out too much, iffy on the Family friendly hopefully it will be like DocWho season 3 okay for kids but still dark and clever. Love Martha joining she fit in perfectly in Reset and the following eps. Mickey I'm a bit iffy about he worked for the first two seasons of Doctor Who but I'm just not sure about him Torchwood. Coul be cool. Still think the 5 ep thing is a jip.

  • May 20, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Think they should resserect Romana and have more

    by CrichtonAstronut

    space eps. Bellman was brilliant in Jekyll and has the range for wonderful Romana.

  • May 20, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Thank fucking god.

    by Strabo

    I'm an atheist and I'm thanking god for this news. That's how awesome this is.

  • May 20, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Excellent

    by bod33

    This is the best news ever. You have to give Russell credit for bringing the Doctor back, but his writing is terrible.

  • May 20, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    You know who'd be a cool 11th Doctor?

    by KazamaSmokers

    Bryan Brown.

  • Last time I looked, the great RTD is ALIVE!!! Everyone is talking like he just died, not step down as Who showrunner. Here, let's all break into song, altogether now........ Happy days are here again, cloudy skies above are clear again, let's all song a song of cheer again, happy days are here again!!!! Here's how I feel, if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but, if they must, Moffat is the best fixer-upper.

  • May 20, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    I think the best we can hope for...

    by Kelvington

    is that the show doesn't change too much at all. That everything Moffat will bring will be in subtle dashes and doses. Not some heavy handed re-invention of a re-invention. <P><P>Personally I thought Jekyll rocked the house! It was dark and amazing, and I wanted it to go on for another three series. <P><P>So fingers crossed here, let's just hope the changes are small and intelligent ones.

  • May 20, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Wonder if RTD will get more involved in Torchwood now

    by CrichtonAstronut

  • talk of who would make a great 11th Doctor, I would be very happy if Tennant stayed on as the Doctor until I'm on my death bed, thank you very much!!! (BTW, I plan (hope) to live another 50 years.) 'nuff said!!!

  • May 20, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Agreed and I think he and RTD are have a similar enough

    by CrichtonAstronut

    sense of where the Doctor should be I think they have trusted each other and worked well together and RTD seems as excited as anyone to see what Moffat would do.

  • May 20, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    why the hate for davies?

    by bacci40

    was he not responsible for getting the show back on the air and getting eccleston? how about some props to the man...god, you people can be such aholes....shit, at least he didnt do to who what those two hacks did to supes on smallville

  • May 20, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Hope Tennate stays too, ultimately it'll probably

    by CrichtonAstronut

    be Tennate's decision.

  • May 20, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Some of my talkback was cut off...

    by axcel1

    The last word was "door" and then, "with'

  • May 20, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    As for Aint broke...Davies himself ws a big proponant

    by CrichtonAstronut

    of a little shake up casn be refreshing. Just don't do a whole sale revision. Which I doubt he'll do anyway. Just something along the lines of Ept Child thru Blink. A little change can has kept the Doctor on the air for thirty only slighly interrupted years.

  • May 20, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    GREAT NEWS!

    by gotilk

    So good.

  • May 20, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I still hope for more Jekyll what a shock he dropped in

    by CrichtonAstronut

    there with the twins having special powers.

  • May 20, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    re: bacci40

    by Dreamfasting

    "Hate" is too strong word - as you say, he brought the show back from the void and made it a modern hit. I think it's just that from a plot-structure, Davies' tales have better setups than payoffs (the twists/resolutions tend to blindside the audience rather than reward them for paying attention). Moffat's stories seem to have a real flow and rhythm that ratchets up the tension, adds twists which are plausible in the context of the world created and have finales with an element of Greek tragedy. (I just hope Moffat doesn't get consumed by the weight of fan expectations)

  • May 20, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    SHIT YEAH

    by punto

    it's not that he's a bad showrunner, he's actually good, the problem is that he's an awful writer, and the tradition is that the showrunner write the key episodes (which explain that bullshit season finale from last year). He has great ideas, if he'd just stepped back and let other people execute them, it'd be perfect.

  • May 20, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    RTD: you are the weakest link.

    by TheDo

    and then the news broketh that RTD's gay agenda had been shattered down upon the dusty ground of Llandaff. He then rode into the sunset on the back of 12 naked and greased up pretty boys. there ascended a man of amazing ability to the throne. his name was Moffat. and it was good.

  • May 20, 2008, 7 p.m. CST

    Yes Yes Yes Yes

    by Dataset

    Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes What about Torchwood? Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes

  • May 20, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Martha was TERRIBLE this season.

    by James_O'Nasty

    She was great when she was fawning all over the Doctor, but this new confident Martha was wasted. And that shit with the Hath sacrificing himself in the mud puddle? Fuck off!

  • May 20, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST

    I'd Love To See Moffat's Take On The Master

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    I'm sure it would be much more interesting than the grinning, dancing RTD version.<p>And I absolutely hated the bit in that final episode when The Doctor became a special effect. Absolute nonsense.<p>Bring it on!

  • May 20, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Captain Jack IS Torchwood

    by Mindtrip

    I could only tolerate Mickey because he was on so little, so if they bring him on fulltime... it will suck as bas as the rest of what they're planning.

  • May 20, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't Surprise Me If RTD Went To The U.S Now

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    Although I have no idea what sort of show he'd be involved in over there. Maybe he could try rejuvinating Stargate or something.

  • May 20, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Agreed Mindtrip

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    I don't really care for the rest of Torchwood. Jack was the most interesting character although he was never as good as his first two appearances in Doctor Who.

  • May 20, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    fuck Torchwood

    by the grev

    5 episodes of Torchwood is 5 too many.

  • May 20, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Great. So can Dr. Who save Marion on Robin Hood?

    by Drath

    Whoops, wrong talkback for that I guess. Hey, I've enjoyed Dr. Who since 2005, so I hope this doesn't change that. As for Torchwood, I really could take or leave that one. It's so morbid and cynical, I'm glad I don't live in a world like that and I'm not real interested in visiting for an hour every week. I'm surprised anyone is actually, but I guess the occasional guy on guy action is the big allure.

  • May 20, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Best damn news in a long time!

    by Mr Willi

    What great news! 'nough said.

  • May 20, 2008, 7:27 p.m. CST

    DT

    by the grev

    Why is everyone obsessed with David Tennant leaving? We live in an age where whichever pretentious luvvie actor gets cast as the Dr instantly starts bleating about being typecast and starts looking to get out of the show as quickly as possible. I hope David Tennant stays for a few more seasons yet, not only because he's the best Who ever, but also because you can guarantee that once he's gone he'll be replaced an endless succession of actors who only stay with the show for a couple of seasons before running off before they get 'type cast'.

  • May 20, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    RTD does two things well:

    by chris danger

    a) Anything involving shirtless Gay Muscleboys b) Dr. Who It'll be sad to see him go off Who/TW, but, he wants to do his gay man spectacle for the Beeb or ITV. I have a feeling he's cemented himself a decent chuck of change with the rights to the revised series. Im in total agreement with the mob here when I say that Moffet is the best choice for series runner

  • May 20, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    much love to rtd

    by palewook

    he brought the series back to life and made it mainstream to love the doctor. <P> BUT, I can't wait for Moffett. The man just rules all he writes.

  • May 20, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Great stuff

    by Bobman46

    He wrote some of the best Dr Who episodes, Jekyll was amazing fun and he wrote Coupling- the UK one which was great for 2 seasons and midly ok when Jeff left!

  • May 20, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Oh happy day!

    by robogeek.com

    As much as I adore and admire RTD, I couldn't be more thrilled by this news. It will be truly exciting to see what wonders Moffat will unleash! (Personally, I hope Sally Sparrow will return... as the new companion for the Doctor!)

  • May 20, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Moffat rules! Coupling rules! Spielberg Rules1

    by Proman1984

    Tintin will rule!

  • May 20, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    FUCK Sally Sparrow!

    by ZeroCorpse

    She was a one-off, and she wasn't that interesting. She was sort of annoying, actually. <p> I think Tate's doing a fine job. <p> Props to RTD. I love his work, even if I don't always love his writing. He brought WHO back, and that deserves high praise indeed.

  • May 20, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    This is fantastic news

    by Lyghthouse

    Jekyll was fantastic. Nesbitt for the Doctor!

  • May 20, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Moffat's appointment gets my unreserved approval.

    by kabong

    Killah_Mate mentioned the two best eps of the series.

  • May 20, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    KICK ASS

    by INWOsuxRED

    at least in theory. I must avoid Who talkbacks since I still haven't watched this week, and probably won't until next week. Moffat was the sensible choice, but I hope they don't stretch him too thin. I'd rather a few outstanding episodes than a ton of okay episodes.

  • May 20, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    HELL YES!

    by DarthCorleone

    Best news ever. Everything I could say has already been said above. Moffat rules. For the record, I do agree RTD deserves a little slack. His misses have been big misses, but his hits have been pretty good, and he deserves big props for bringing this show back strong.

  • May 20, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Good choice

    by BrandLoyalist

    I watched that Jekyll series on BBC America; thought the plot got a little silly as more was revealed, but the whole thing was very well executed. <p> I share many of the common complaints RTD's Who, but there have been some pretty good episodes. Loved Mike (the cool one) as a Sontaran general last week.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    THANK GOD!!! Less gay, MORE Sci-Fi!!!! :D

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Now I won't have to wonder whether each new episode will make me cringe or not. Best Doctor Who news since David Tennant was chosen!!!

  • May 21, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Makes me think more and more

    by Purgatori

    they are leaning towards the next Doc to be James Nesbitt, which was a rumor for a while. Which I would be fine with though I'd mourn Tennant. But thank god, this is a good move for the show.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST

    PHUK YEAH!

    by lynxpro

    Three cheers for The Moff!

  • May 21, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Excellent news

    by AD_Skinner

    They should have got rid of that worthless piece of shit RTD long ago, Moffatt's going to have one hell of a job ahead of him after that cunt Davies single-handedly destroyed everything that was good about who.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Go Away Trolls. It Was Davies' Idea to Leave.

    by msspurlock

    Like everything he does, it was planned. That's what the 2009 movies are about. Transition.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Really surprised they haven't used Romana yet

    by Antz

    She was left out in E-Space, so would have survived the time-war. Would be a great character to bring back.

  • May 21, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Just hope RTD doesn't adopt a "Scorched Earth"

    by V'Shael

    policy, and ruin the show utterly before he leaves.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:14 a.m. CST

    AT LAST!!

    by Maniaq

    some good news on the Who front!

  • May 21, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Woo-Hoo

    by Lost Jarv

    Hallelujah, <P>Best news in ages.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST

    yeah Jekyll really was fantastic

    by prbt

    but thank *Christ* that Nesbitt is too old to play the new funky hip-slingin' Doctor. <p>I've no idea who's in the running for the next doc, but I'd be surprised if they went older than 35.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    CrichtonAstronut...

    by BiggusDickus

    Hadn't thought of that, but top idea! Gina Bellman as Romana, The Rani...anything, really. Just get the woman involved!

  • May 21, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    "RTD has stated Tennant has a definite leaving date"

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I wouldn't necessarily trust that statement. Look, Davies could have been saying that just to keep people guessing and on their toes...he could have said it simply because he was in a pissy mood that day, doing an interview while already foreseeing his OWN departure on the horizon, and thus felt the need to say something like "Oh yeah? Well, let me tell you something. LOTS of things will change now"...heck, he could even mean that comment in a POSITIVE way and could have been saying "David loves the role and intends to break the record for the longest running Doctor. Once he's hit that milestone, THEN he'll consider leaving."<p>And finally who cares what he has to say? It's not his call to make. It's obviously Tennant's, who is clearly INCREDIBLY popular with the fans. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the change-over might actually be something that reinvigorates Tennant's enthusiasm and makes him want to stay. Not to mention, he's an actor...he knows the score about getting good, solid, steady work...so I'm willing to bet Tennant is also smart enough to know a good thing when it's sitting right in his lap. Given sydication and DVD royalities and whatnot, this is his golden ticket for possibly securing financial freedom for him and his loved ones for life.<p>So I agree with something that someone said earlier: everyone should quit trying to push Tennant out the door, as if we need a regeneration to go with a new showrunner. CASTING hasn't been the problem, the WRITING was. So now that that problem has taken a giant step upwards, I hope Tennant stays and DOES break the record!

  • May 21, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    RTD does not OWN Who

    by Fourthwall

    but tries to give that impression, if he felt he couldn't write for a full 5th season he should have handed over earlier. Imagine saying to Maericna network _"i'm tired can we have a break....". I'm sure teh fim crew employed dont want a break but want work and well if Tennent doesn't then they should use the advantage that is unique to this eponomously titled show... How RTD ruined the Daleks below... http://tinyurl.com/2qtynp

  • May 21, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST

    As for the changes in TORCHWOOD...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    I don't mind them bringing in Martha and Mickey, I just hope their additions are not going to come at a heavy expense towards Jack, who really IS the best thing about the entire show. I mean, come on, who do you really want to see leaping into action to save the day? Capt. Jack or Mickey? In Mickey's own words from the great SCHOOL REUNION episode...<p>SARAH JANE (looking at K-9): What about you? Where do you fit in the picture?<p>MICKEY: I'm their man in Havana. I'm the technical support. I'm...oh my God. I'm the Tin Dog.<p>Then again, TORCHWOOD did piss me off big time last season. Frankly, I'm not a Gwen fan at all (I don't get the fan love for her at all), and I would have been FAR happier if they had bumped her off and kept the babealicious Toshiko around instead.<p>And finally, it's one thing to lighten the show up a little bit, but if they make TORCHWOOD more "family friendly" in the vein of the SARAH JANE ADVENTURES I'll stop watching. Sorry, but I just find SJA way too juvenile, to the point that it's almost painful to watch at times...

  • May 21, 2008, 4:05 a.m. CST

    But SJA is aimed at kids and only kids.

    by prbt

    DW is aimed at everyone.

  • May 21, 2008, 4:21 a.m. CST

    prbt, I can't beleive people still don't understand that..

    by Lemming

    DW=family SJA=kids Torchwood=adults.

  • May 21, 2008, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Aint it good news!

    by Steve T

    The relaunch has been great, but the formula is starting to wear a little thin and I think a change like this is good for the show. Big thanks for Russell T Davies for making the show huge again, I've been a happy bunny for the last 4 years!

  • May 21, 2008, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Best thing about end of Torchwood

    by Lost Jarv

    Death to Crazy Frog!!!!! <P>Good fucking riddance to the gurning twat and I hope he never darkens the telly again.

  • May 21, 2008, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Jarv - End of Torchwood

    by spud mcspud

    A-RINGDINGDINGDINGDING-DINGDINGDING BAAAAAAARGHHBAABAABAABAABAABAABAABAA WEWEWEWEWEWEWEWBABABABABABABABA BAARBAARBAAR BWEBWEBWE WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!<p> Ding dong, the Frog is dead ;D

  • May 21, 2008, 5:35 a.m. CST

    LOL- Spud

    by Lost Jarv

    Did you know he was in Layer Cake? <P>I was wrong about Torchwood, by the way, the best thing about the end of Torchwood was that it was the end of Torchwood.

  • May 21, 2008, 5:42 a.m. CST

    Thanks for everything, RTD. Good luck to Moffatt

    by Steve Rogers

    All you idiots ragging on RTD should shut up. So the odd episode he has written hasn't been "perfect" (I thought Utopia was superb but the actual Master two-parter a bit underwhelming), but if not for him you would have no new Who AT. ALL. Cretins. Very excited to see what Moffatt can do with the show, his season 1 and 2 episodes were the best things about their respectives seasons (Blink was all kinds of brilliant but I have a personal preference for the Family of Blood two-parter in season 3). Good luck with it!

  • May 21, 2008, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Gratitude due to Davies

    by AdmiralNeck

    I agree with some here. RTD was a good thing for the show. He has much more of a hand in the show than people think, and his rewrites are really drastic when the original scripts are lacking. Some of the episodes that fans use as ammunition against him contain more of his writing and ideas than belong to the credited writer (not all of the time, obviously, but it has happened). Look at Torchwood. Some of the same writers, but none of the scripts on that work at all. He overdoes the wackiness, perhaps, but usually only at the start of the season. He likes to start light, move to dark. I loved his season three finale. There was some excellent writing in that. <p> Anyway, he did a terrific job, and Stephen Moffat is possibly an even better writer, though I was not 100% convinced by Jekyll (that could have been the appalling direction, though). Yay for Moffat, and yay for more Who!

  • May 21, 2008, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan as the Doctor

    by bateman123

    "Breaking News . . . by Nico Toscani May 20th, 2008 Hulk Hogan to leave American Gladiators to play Doctor Who when the series returns in 2010. Let's travel through time brother!!!" I think it would be more like : "We're wanderers in time and space, brother"

  • May 21, 2008, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Great news.

    by hansello

    I actually read this news elsewhere, but rushed here when I found out. I'm with the other talkbackers who hoped that: <p> 1. Tennant stays on after being rested next year and reinvigorated by Moffat's appointment. <p> 2. That Moffat builds upon the RTD framework, improving where nessacary, but not changing everything. (To see a little more of the rest of the Tardis would be cool). <p> 3. Bring back Sally Sparrow, if not as a companion then as a recurring character. <p> Thank you RTD for everything you've done and here's looking forward to many more years of Who.

  • May 21, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    All this RTD brought back Who bullshit..

    by TinSpider

    Makes me laugh. The BBC wanted to rivive it's biggest Franchise. It was coming back regardless of RTD. I first heard the beeb wanted it back in 2000 when I was working on a Doctor Who PS2 game (based on McGann's who). That's when the beeb then suddenly went back on the decision to produce the game, as they were keeping the franchise for a re-launch. The game then turned to a Dalek game, then just a space adventure with fuck all to do with Doctor Who. It was then shelved. <br> Anyway, my point is that people treat RTD like a fucking god, when in fact he was just right guy, right place, right time. It could have been any one so to thank him for 'bringing back' Who is bollocks. It's the beeb you should be thanking.

  • May 21, 2008, 7:09 a.m. CST

    The best possible news and in the nick of time

    by David Frames

    I'm a little tired to reading all this nonsense about RTD being the modern day saviour of Doctor Who - people love Doctor Who and he's effectively pitched it for a general, if slighlty infantile audience so its bound to have yealded big auidences. The problem is that almost all of his big decisions re: the series tone and direction have been wrong. Goodwill toward this show will only take you so far and we're nearly at the limit. Its widely known that he's contemptuous of the series core fans, the people who's persistance and disposable income meant there was a job for him to inhabit in the first place - he's described them as 'parasites'. This last of the time lords nonsense, the camp whimsy, the lack of depth in his stories and use of pop songs etc.., the doctor's fucking daughter and all the rest of it, Who penned and modelled by RTD has been formulaic, light and broad as bastardry. You can say 'but David, he didn't write every poor episode', well actually he did, he rewrites all the scripts or gives the writers strict parametres within which to work. By his own admission the only person he doesn't fuck around with, possibly because he knows he's the real talent in the group, is Stephen Moffat. Its no coincidence that Moffat's scripts have been the uncontested best. Moffat understands Doctor Who - hes a real fan not a hack or a genre tourist. His stories are pitched perfectly, they have depth, he never trivalises the material by adding a scene in which someone is playing a Britney Spears record, he's too fucking good for that. He takes the doctor seriously and wouldn't have been out of place in the last two seasons of the original run when the quality of writing was at its best ever. Has RTD written anything that came close to a Remembrance of the Daleks or Ghostlight? In his fucking dreams. I'm thrilled Moffat will be taking over, i'm just apalled we've got to sit though four RTd specials before we can move on. With luck Moffat will be writing at least one of them. I'd expect the 2010 series to be more focused, better written and more vaired in terms of the types of stories told - bolder, more experimental, hopefully a little darker. Mofatt must have winched watching Davis' penned drivel like The last of the Timelords and Smith and Jones, Voyage of the Damned etc... With luck he'll have a list of things he intends to reverse or quietly drop but regardless of what he does Doctor Who is in safe, respectful hands. Why the hell the BBC didn't just give him the job in the first place is a mystery even the doctor would be pushed to solve. The prospects for deepening Tennant's doctor if he stays are mouth watering.

  • May 21, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    David...

    by TinSpider

    Well said.. Lets take Who away from the camp, childrens pantomime it's become and back to it's clever roots. And no running through corridors or having the Sonic (available at all good toy stockists) screwdriver solve all the Doctors problems.

  • May 21, 2008, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Testament to Moffat...

    by Hagakure

    ...in that one of the most requested companions (Sally Sparrow) was a character HE WROTE! Moffat was also responsible for creating Jack Harkness in the Empty Child, which was eventually given his own series. It is obvious he understand the Who dynamic. And even if this season doesn't pan out to the amount of hype that is being dished out, a season of mediocre Moffat episodes will probably be a lot better than most writer's best work. And I would love to see at least one full season of Moffat and Tennant together. And damn, if Tennant does decide to call it in, just imagine the storyline Moffat would put together as a send-off/regeneration ending?

  • May 21, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    ooh, such insider info tinspider...

    by omarthesnake

    (1) RTD DID bring Who back. without him you'd still be dusting off videotapes of old shows. (2) what the flaming fuckity is it with you people claiming RTD is responsible for 'running through corridors' as if that Neeeeever happened with the earlier whos? The only point you have is the overreliance on the sonic screwdriver. other than that, RTD has had a great run and fans everywhere owe him a huge debt, rather than backbiting and bitching about every little detail they'd have done differently if only the BBC went down to their parents' basement and put THEM in charge of the show instead of a producer with a proven track record on television and a vision for the character. sheesh, you're a bunch of whiny little shits. All that said, Moffat rules! Best writer they've got.

  • May 21, 2008, 7:43 a.m. CST

    ... "less gay"??? What does that even mean?

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... I suppose you might be meaning "less camp", but Doctor Who has always been camp since the day after Kennedy was shot... <p> ... Nothing Davies has done has been anyway near as camp as Jon Pertwee in his velvet and lace doing "Venusian Karate" or ANY Timelord in his lovely frock... <p> ... there have always been boys snogging other boys behind the sofa, Davies didn't "invent" *that*... he was just one of them, the legions of gay Doctor fans... drawn to the so-called "gay sensibilities" (whatever the hell THAT means, imagination? creativity? intellect as opposed to bloody-mindedness?) that the show purportedly presents... <p> ... one could arguably even state that gay men helped keep the show on the air for decades... and that the cancellation was due in part to homophobic reaction... <p> I'm afraid that the mere fact that Davies is gay opens the show up to idiotic responses of it being "too gay" somehow, when he in fact toned down the campness considerably from the original series... <p> ...other than that, he has acknowledged the existence of gays on the show, for some I suppose THAT is "too gay"... but in fact there has yet to be a major gay character at all... <p> Even the great Jack/Ianto affair on Torchwood is watered down by Jack's obsessive pining over Gwen, and Ianto's previous betrayal of the team for a Cyberwoman. I must actually agree with the homophobic twats who keep complaining "does everybody have to be bi on Torchwood?" can't we have someone who is actually gay? <p> ... Finally to well and truly piss off the reaction-formation types on this TB, I now begin the campaign for Graham Norton as the eleventh Doctor... <p> Now I must go out tonight with my mates to get pissed out of our minds so we can have bloody street fights with Chelsea fans...

  • May 21, 2008, 7:49 a.m. CST

    James Nesbitt

    by Thall_Joben

    The guy has great acting chops . . . sometimes. But in Jekyl I thought he totally over acted. He was trying to do a Jack Nicholson but came off a long distance short. Oh and he's a thumb sucker (seriously). I wish the guy the best, but he's not the Doctor. Richard E Grant was the nuts on the web version.

  • May 21, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Prof-

    by Lost Jarv

    I was waiting for one of you militant twats to crawl out of the woodwork, although to be honest I was expecting smashing. <P>1)There was nothing homophobic about the decision to cancel Who. The BBC is suspicious of Sci-fi and that is at the root of cancellation. <P>2)He hasn't only acknowledged the existance of gays, he has pushed a homosexual agenda- the lesbian couple in Gridlocked being a prime example, or the blatantly unsubtle metaphor in the kylie Christmas special. To make any assertion to the contrary is to ignore the obvious. <P>3) can we not have a character in Torchwood that doesn't want to fuck everything regardless of species, let alone gender. Gay or Straight, I don't care- just mono rather than pan-sexual. <P>Good luck in your campaign, to retaliate I am going to start a "butt-naked woman for Dr" campaign.

  • May 21, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Militant Twats?, Expecting me?, Jarv your a total fanny.

    by Smashing

    Each week you flame the same tired, cliched anti gay bullshit and gussy it up as a pseudo intellectual standpoint, go fuck yourself, I'm done typing to you as an equal, your quite simply beneath me. <P> You flame gay people as Spud does with the same tired old rhetoric, we are militant if we defend ourselves, we are twats if we act like we think we are equals, you wanna know what it reveals?, it reveals your a sad old twat yourself, firing blank comments and I'm sure other things as impotent rage consumes you. <P> Fucking cockknocker.<P> Your very base assumptions about queers are riddled with elitist and mocking rage and I ain't listening to your spewed thoughts anymore.<P> Go push your own heterosexual agenda of ignorance and general ladies fannyness onto people all you see fit but stop here and now telling me you can put yourself into my mindset or even attempt to speak for me you tiny, insignificant, no doubt fat little tosser.

  • May 21, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Well he certainly overacted as Hyde a bit, but that

    by CrichtonAstronut

    was appropriate given that Hyde was Jackman's Id unleashed. Nebitt's performance of Jackman very nuanced and well handled. And Hyde became aot more complex and interesting toward the end.

  • May 21, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Actually, Smashing I haven't been

    by Lost Jarv

    but I'm always up for a flame war, it makes work more interesting. <P>If you look above I didn't mention the gay agenda at all. I did make a snide dig at Crazy Frog, and I did say that I thought it was great news. I didn't comment on it until I responded to Prof's ludicrous assertion that there was some anti-gay mafia that stamped out Dr Who. <P>In fact, in the past the only time I did mention it was when you were making your snide "breeders" comments. The only people I've ever heard use the expression "Breeders" are the most obnoxious militant gay twats around. You have marked your own card.<P>I would never dream of trying to talk for someone else, especially not someone with a completely different mindset to mine. <P>Hysterically, I love the fact that you think "your" so much above me when really you are nothing more than a nasty, bigoted closed minded individual that hides his true nature behind a blanket of political correctness. I <P>Call me a wanker, or petty or whatever I don't give a fuck (this is Talkbaaaaaaack, after al), but don't come on all superior. You don't have it in you.

  • May 21, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Whooray

    by gojira

    While I respect Davies for his other TV writing/producing efforts (Queer As Folk, Second Coming and Casanova)he just didn't seem to understand how to write sci-fi. And while he did a great job of resurrecting Doctor Who the direction he was taking the show and the main character always felt wrong to me. Moffat, who has written some of the best episodes (not to mention all those BAFTA's and Hugo's he won for those episodes) is clearly the best choice for leading this series forward. Hopefully the BBC won't try and spread him too thin by having him produce those spin off shows as well.

  • May 21, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    omarthesnake...

    by TinSpider

    How......oh I can't be arsed.

  • May 21, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST

    "homosexual agenda"??? again, what does that even mean...???

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... the don't-blink-or-you'll-miss-'em lesbians in Gridlocked are exactly what I said... acknowledgement that gays actually exist... <p> ... what appalled me about that was that on New Bloody Earth millions of years into the future an "old-fashioned cat" still can't bring himself to admit it. <p> ...As for the Kylie thing... sorry the metaphor wasn't unsubtle enough for me, so I don't know what you're on about... <p> unless the mere presence of Kylie alone makes the show part of this "agenda"... <p>... as for me I haven't been "militant" in years... that's the sort of phase one goes through after first coming out... <p> ... then you have to march in every parade and have rainbows on all your gear... you'll sort that all out when you finally find your "lost" self... <p> ... as for a woman doctor didn't Joanna Lumley already do that?

  • May 21, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    I love coupling...

    by Sakurai

    this is good news.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Not Kylie

    by Lost Jarv

    The whole Cyborgs not being allowed to marry crap that permeated the episode.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    cyborgs? I think you're stretching things a bit...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    Does that mean George Lucas was part of the whole "agenda" when droids weren't allowed in the cantina? <p> Is it Civil Unions that is upsetting you so much? Is that what you mean by "agenda"? <p> Oh, I never said an "anti-gay mafia stamped out Doctor Who" ... <p> I said "It COULD be argued... that the cancellation was due IN PART to homophobic reaction" <p> Without stating it as absolute fact, I was putting forward the possibility that Michael Grade's abhorrence to the show MAY have, IN PART been to its being perceived as a camp panto fit for nobody but children and poofters.

  • May 21, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    This is plainly great news

    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    Taking a wider view isn't this the first solid confirmation from the BBC that there will be a series 5? I never thought that there wouldn't be but you never know with sci-fi shows. They get cancelled at the drop of the hat. Even the good ones. <p>It's great to hear we've got Who till at least 2010 for sure. And beyond.......?

  • May 21, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    True, you didn't state it as absolute fact

    by Lost Jarv

    but the persecution implication that you put forth is plain wrong, and although the cyborg thing was a metaphor, it is hardly a subtle one. I wasn't particularly reaching. <P>I don't understand the persecution complex put forth by the likes of Smashing, but of course I am never going to, I just find it extremely odd that he throws around the bigoted language and then calls anyone else prejudiced. It's daft. <P>My objection to the gay stuff is not that it exists (I liked Queer as Folk), but that I think Who is the wrong place for it. I also think that if RTD put as much effort into plotting as he did into drawing clever analogies then the sonic screwdriver as get out of jail free card would be used a lot less. <P>I also don't give a fuck if same-sex couples marry. Good on them- commitment should be encouraged. <P>I'm a misanthropist not a homophobe.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Why the love for eve Myles?

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Scroll towards the end: <p> http://tinyurl.com/5wwf8s

  • May 21, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    "persecution complex" what the hell does THAT even mean???

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... acknowledging that homophobia exists? <p> I don't need a complex to know that. <p> You at least attempted to answer my first question about what "less gay" is supposed to mean, although I do not see how Davies' Doctor Who is any more or less gay than any other show today. <p> I would still like to know exactly what this "agenda" is though...

  • May 21, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I saw the cyborg thing...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... as more of a metaphor (if it was supposed to be a metaphor at all) of bigotry and prejudice in general... <p> ... it could just as easily be applied to racism or anti-semitism or anything else... <p>... stretch it enough and you could make anything fit ... oh, I suppose the Ood are supposed to represent persecuted gays because they all seem to be of one gender?

  • May 21, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Oh come on Prof

    by Lost Jarv

    It was blazingly unsubtle (RTD isn't the most subtle person), it was specifically about "cyborgs" not being allowed to marry. It wasn't about racism. <P>Persecution complex= Smashing: "Each week you flame the same tired, cliched anti gay bullshit and gussy it up as a pseudo intellectual standpoint, go fuck yourself, I'm done typing to you as an equal, your quite simply beneath me. <p> You flame gay people as Spud does with the same tired old rhetoric, we are militant if we defend ourselves, we are twats if we act like we think we are equals, you wanna know what it reveals?, it reveals your a sad old twat yourself, firing blank comments and I'm sure other things as impotent rage consumes you. <p> Fucking cockknocker. <p> Your very base assumptions about queers are riddled with elitist and mocking rage and I ain't listening to your spewed thoughts anymore. <p> Go push your own heterosexual agenda of ignorance and general ladies fannyness onto people all you see fit but stop here and now telling me you can put yourself into my mindset or even attempt to speak for me you tiny, insignificant, no doubt fat little tosser." <P>Can you be fat and tiny? It's only just occured to me. <P>In all seriousness, Smashing's belief that gay people are being persecuted and must "defend" themselves on these boards is just plain daft. It doesn't matter how many times we can reasonably say things like "It isn't just Gay, I don't want any relationship shit on who" without him throwing his dummy out of the pram and using phrases like "breeder". When I pointed out that using bigotry like that was out of order (I don't refer to people like that- I'd call them a cunt), he then gave me a tirade about being in the closet. <P>I never thought of that about the ood- You've just given my simple little nazi mind some more ammo!

  • May 21, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who has been working in

    by CrichtonAstronut

    messages of tolerance and pacivism since at least the 70s. I don't see why expanding that to include homosexuality would be inapropriate. I can't see why addressing the existence of homoseuals or the eistence of prejudice homosexuals would be any less appropriate on ANY show than acknowleging other races,m religions or prejudices thereof. Unless the concern is that the subject of homosexuality brings up the subject of sex to too young a crowd in which case somthing the like the cyborg metaphore would be way to deliver the relevant message of tolerance while avoiding poentially uncomfortable questions from the younger members of the audience.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    without a comma between "on" and "Prof"...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... as in "Oh Come on, Prof" ... you are subconsciously inviting yourself and others to come on me! <p> ...and if there were no "relationship shit" on Doctor Who at all... <p> ...then you'd have a series about a man who dresses up a lot... who hangs out mostly with girls, but isn't interested in shagging any of them... "just friends".

  • May 21, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    As far as the seriers in more general terms goes

    by CrichtonAstronut

    I can sympathize with classic Who fans taking a personal stake in the new series and being fvery emotional about which way it goes. Which is why Moffat called it the toughest job in television or something like that. Sort of like in John Adams when Washington warned John Adams "I out and you in. Let's see who's happier." Moffat know he's in the uneviable firing line. On the other hand I'm a little less sympathetic with people going on a bout how happy they'd be if Torchwood got cancelled. If you don't like it and don't watch it(and by you I mean anyone a general "you") then what possible harm can it do to you if somebody who does watch it does like it gets to enjoy it while you watch something else.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I think I've seen that

    by Lost Jarv

    OK- I meant no Martha mooning after him like a fucking lovesick puppy every week, for example. <P>heh, funny.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    HA! Whoops

    by Lost Jarv

    I meant the show about people traipsing around etc, not people coming on Prof. <P>I could live without the latter.

  • May 21, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Davies actually "butched-up" Doctor Who...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... from his haircut... to his clothes... to his "Northern accent"... Christopher Eccleston's Doctor was an "average bloke" as no previous Doctor ever was. <p> Tennant less so, but still more than any pre-Davies Doctor. <p> And Davies also changed the Doctor from "a man who hangs out mostly with girls, but isn't interested in shagging any of them" to a confident heterosexual who has feelings for women - not without all sorts of problems and complications of course, but it was a first for the show anyway (outside of a couple of computer adverts with Romana, and the Curse of Fatal Death, that is...)

  • May 21, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    and to expand further-

    by Lost Jarv

    I would like it to show some scope- I remember seeing the origin of the Daleks episode (I'm shit with names) and the Doctor having to (but failing)exterminate all of them. Let's have some fucking scale- You've all of Time and Space to play with. <P>Would an episode in the Time War not be cool?

  • May 21, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Provided that they didn't leave the time wars to

    by Lost Jarv

    return to Rose's fucking council house or some such pish. <P>It isn't the Doctor Himself as gay Icon- although now you mention it, I never even thought of it (goes to show that watching things when young makes you less cynical)- And I understand what you mean about Tennant and Especially Eccleston being less closeted than previously. <P>But really, he's a FUCKING Timelord- he should be miles beyond that sort of thing, and if you can see all of time and space would you not be confident?

  • May 21, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    I do think the unrequited love could have been

    by CrichtonAstronut

    chartaterized differently. I liked the early bits of her wanting to exlore and prove herself as a worthy human in the universe in her own right while he rattled ion about Rose. And having her faith in the the Doctor be baswed on faith in his abilities, especacially since the love thing led her departure, but I didn't find it too overpresent in a otherwise strong character.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Of course the whole Doctor/Rose ship

    by CrichtonAstronut

    was I think intensified by the fact that (at least as far as we know) she's the fisrt comanion to hoin him after his entire race died. Until then he'd be more likely to go for the Time Ladies there's certanly that sort of chemistry between Tom Baker and Lalla Ward's Romana.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    GREAT NEWS

    by DECKERS

    ...but fanboys, there will definitely not be a doc played by bill nighy..WHO will always now be played by someone easy on the eye for the laydees (the amount of gals who only watch for Tennant is huge!!). The modern mainstream audience could not handle a Pertwee/Baker etc lookalike as their Saturday night primetime hero!!! Also am dreading Mickey in Torchwood, the guy as the acting range of scooby doo for fucks sake-I saw him being interviews and, as I suspected-he is only playing himself (not a deep person, you understand). Spose he will be action hero the 12 year olds can relate to (not the bi-boys currently in Torchwood!!!). Agyma freeman has not been exactly been oscar material either*sigh*-you really wonder how much effort goes into casting-for every sally sparrow.....

  • May 21, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Camp whimsy

    by David Frames

    Theres a lot on here about Davis' 'gay agenda', he has no agenda, gay or otherwise, only the sensibilities of a gay man. No problem there except that his tastes are fundementally at odds with the requirements for producing serious science fiction drama. He might privately find farting aliens, britney or the master having a strange affection for the song 'voodo child' funny and maybe it is but not in an adult series. Whatever camp touches it undermines, trivalises or destroys - fact. If you look at Star Trek for example and the difference between the first and third seasons of the Next Generation, the difference is a shift in tone and a more adult approach with fewer infantile or melodramatic instances - the series grew up and delivered the fucking goods week on week - intelligent, thought provoking entertainment. Doctor who is simply the best sci-fi concept ever concieved but Davis has contrived to make it predicatable, bland and occasionally embarassing. It may be watched by ten years olds but it should be written for everyone. Ten years olds are intelligent, demanding viewers and they can get fart jokes and broad humour in a million other shows. A programme that doesn't talk up to its audience loses them when they grow out of it. Doctor who is too good for that and at its best has always challenged its viewers. The new adventures novels showed what you can do with it. The show how has the budget and the backing to give us the television answer to those novels and thats exactly the kind of thing Moffat should be aiming at. to that end he should also consider a return to the serial format. Lets make the programme for ourselves not American audiences.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    he's a Timelord, not Jesus Christ...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... unless that's the same thing. <p> ... over the past five decades we have seen Timelords who have gone mad, who have been petty, who have been silly, who have not been "above" anything... and several of them have been the Doctor! <p> ... perhaps the reason for regeneration is that if a Timelord did possess ALL of the facets of his/her being at once... in one incarnation... they really would be God? <p> ... and I think the Time War is coming... we've been building up to this for too long... but Davies will not likely be the one to bring it to us. <p> ... and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if Moffat's Doctor might turn out to be a bit "gayer" than Davies' !

  • May 21, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Wouldn't put it past him. Moffat certainly doesn't

    by CrichtonAstronut

    strike me as someone reluctant to adress homosexuality.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    And while do sympathize with peopletakijng

    by CrichtonAstronut

    such a personal stake in where the Doctor goes n terms of character and series. Obsessing too much over whether this is the Doctor you or I would write will lead us to become As Laura Roslin describes the Quarum "A group of perpetually unhappy people."

  • May 21, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    That is a fucking storming idea prof

    by Lost Jarv

    Doctor as villain.... <P>and I don't care if he's a bit gayer- just lets have a more adult programme. It can't hurt. can it?

  • May 21, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    CrichtonAstronut...

    by PROF IKAMONO

    ... your points a quite valid and appreciated, but I have a very hard time reading your posts... <p> ...you either type very fast without proofreading, or English is not your first language... <p> ... this is not meant as an attack, it's just that sometimes I have to read your posts several times to decipher them...

  • May 21, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    "Jekyll" was some tasty ham.

    by Christopher3

    Wherez Series 2.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Smashing

    You claim above you have not mentioned the fag agenda yet you have a post with this sentence in it "He hasn't only acknowledged the existence of gays, he has pushed a homosexual agenda"<P> IF thats what you call not mentioning it I stand by calling you a hypocrite.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    DECKERS

    by Purgatori

    Like hell I wouldn't watch for a Baker/Pertwee lookalike. I've been on the Sean Pertwee for the Doctor bandwagon FOR YEARS cause he is the spitting image of his pop. Baker and Pertwee are awesome, and that offness that their personas had is the reason I love Tennant so much. He brings that dorky quirk to the character. Eccleston was great, but he was just trying too hard.

  • May 21, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    My bad. I'll try to proof more and write slower.

    by CrichtonAstronut

  • May 21, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    good fucking news

    by Mr_X

    but we have to wait till 2010?????

  • May 21, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Yeah 2010 sucks hard.

    by Smashing

    Has there really been a good reason as to why there will be no full series next year?, In the history of episodic TV I cannot think of any other show that took a year off in this way.<P>Go Who I guess, though I hope its not a catching TV trend.<P>I am really excited to see what Moffat does with the show, though I hope the show does not become colder too much, remember when Colin Baker took over and seemed angry with the companions a lot, I did not like that. I suspect a much scarier/adult tone and maybe Sally Sparrow will return and make a million talkbackers happy.<P>I would have no issue with that as long as her sexy bf came along too, hairy shoulders and all.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    "I don't have it in me"

    by Smashing

    Jarv come admit it your Kenneth Williams. 8)

  • May 21, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    David Frames: Voyage of Damned was "Hollywood"

    by MGTHEDJ

    Many people "missed the forest for the trees" with that ep. It was "Dr. Who" if adapted by HOLLYWOOD (copywrite USA 1996). They were doing every cliche from hollywood stories. Of course there was the obvious Poseidon Adventure stuff, even the cyborg was a play off of the Red Buttons/Richard Dreyfuss character being gay. They also referenced the "hollywood hero speech" when the Doctor lays out his credentials. Kylie kissing the Doctor was a reference to the McGann movie when he was kissed by his companion.<p>As for the chemestry between Baker and Ward back in 1980, of course there was. They were dating at the time.-----later-----m

  • May 21, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Moffat is one writer I'd trust to do justice to the Time War

    by V'Shael

    Here's hoping he does something with that. I think Paul McGann would be willing to play Dr no. 8 for a little bit.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    talbackers are a fickle bunch

    by emeraldboy

    Moffat is a real hero today. but when he fucks up, the trasing will begin. Jeykyll was overrated. Nesbit should do more drama like the series he has just done. That was great tv in case you missed it as was the that mini-series with Carlyle. that gave lost a run for its money. gritty, realistic. Complex to start with. The last enemy. Excellent stuff.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Michelle Ryan

    by Dradis Contact

    Maybe Moffatt can bring in Michelle Ryan. I like Donna's character and all but I also like Michelle Ryan. forget about Bionic Woman

  • May 21, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I cant remember the name of the recent nesbitt series

    by emeraldboy

    Briefly story went like this. Nesbitt plays a hack. When he arrives home from work. His whole world shatters when he finds his wife shot dead inside thier hall door. Tramuatised and angry he begins a quest and dont wnat to say anymore. But alan Dale is in it as the villain as is Resse Dinsdale. Great cast and nesbitt has never been better as man reduced to rummaging through peoples bins.

  • May 21, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Desmond from "Lost" for 11th Doctor

    by The Gipper

    Martha and Mickey join Torchwood Season 3!!! And bring on Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond from "Lost" as the new Doctor.)

  • May 21, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Desmond from "Lost" for 11th Doctor

    by The Gipper

    Martha and Mickey join Torchwood Season 3!!! And bring on Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond from "Lost") as the new Doctor.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Smashing, why there's no full series next year

    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    I've read it had something to do with making sure David Tennant stayed on as the Doc. He was offered the role of Hamlet in a stage production that will be running across this summer, which is the time that next year's series of Who would be being filmed. Tennant was eager to play Hamlet and given this conflicting scheduling choice he (supposedly) came close to quitting Who so that he could do the play instead. The BBC, eager to keep him in the role, gave him the opportunity to do both by only having to film three Who stories this year. Albeit longer ones than normal, but 3 longer stories would still require far less filming than 13 regular eps.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Torchwood

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is shit.

  • May 21, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I'm So bisexual!

    by David Cloverfield

    Remember Jane in Coupling? Proving left and right that she likes women too, yet never shagging one. Moffat doesn't think sexuality is a big deal. I'm sure it won't matter that much in Doctor Who either. Although I must confess, I've enjoyed the occasional gayness in DW, like the new Master or Captain Jack. It made the show unique.

  • May 21, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Jarv / Prof

    by spud mcspud

    All this stuff about the Doctor flying atound in time and space with sexy young women and not copping off with them, indicating therefore that he's a closeted gay man...<P> If he's over 900 years old - and I've heard Jarv bring up this point more than once - wouldn't he, quite possibly, have got a bit fucking BORED with sex of one kind or another? There's a famous hetero proverb* regarding relationships - "Wherever there's a sexy woman, there's a man tired of fucking her" - which means that no matter how long you're with someone, or how long you're in the market for one-night stands or whatever, at some point you'll get bored. If you love your partner and want to stay with them, you'll flip the boredom on its head by trying to spice things up. Maybe you'll allow other partners in, or have an "open" relationship. Maybe you split up and go your separate ways.<P> After 900 years, maybe you just don't give a shit any more. Maybe you've fucked EVERYTHING in the universe that there is to fuck (so far). Maybe by that point, your intellect is more interested in being stimulated than your libido. People in this day and age live perfectly satisfactory lives as celibates, or wait until marriage, or just don't care as and when it happens. I happen to think the Doctor isn't interested because he's just outgrown that stuff. If it's possible to outgrow it in a human lifetime (ask any monk, nun or celibate if they're bothered about not having sex - there are as many answers to that as there are celibate people out there), it's almost certainly possible for a Time Lord just to be piss bored with sex by now. And if almost every human female who travels with you fawns over you in that same boring moon-eyed way, you'd get irritated by it.<P> Why does there have to be sex in EVERYTHING? Once upon a time, and not many of those who read and post here will want to fucking admit this to themselves, but once upon a time sci-fi was the preserve of those too socially awkward and too shy / scared / bullied / frightened of life / unschooled in society's "rules" / different to blend in with the mainstream. It was all we (yes, I count myself in there) had, and it kept us going, kept some of us from doing something really fucking stupid. Now the mainstream gets a hold of something like Who, and suddenly it has to have a sexual agenda - gay / straight / fucking whatever - because suddenly "cool" people vfrom the non-sci-fi mainstream like it, and suddenly sci-fi has to be fucking soap opera-fied, has to have "ooh who's fucking who" oozing from every pore. In my humble opinion, those fucking pinheads who spend all their time while watching LOST wondering whether Kate will end up with Jack or Sawyer, or sit watching BSG wondering if Adam will ever fuck Roslin or not - those mental midgets are completely MISSING THE FUCKING POINT!!! What makes LOST different are all the SF issues about that damn weird island; the central issue with BSG is the survival of the human race, and what that means in so many different ways. The soap opera bullshit is crowbarred in there nowadays becuase the fucking casual non-SF viewers demand some silly bollocks like that to make the SF palatable to them. As a result, the old-school SF fans get unhealthy dollops of soap opera right in their favourite genre shows that (a) they didn't want in the first place and (b) stick out like a sore fucking thumb because they DON'T FIT THE GENRE!<P> Is sex ever right in SF? Of course: FARSCAPE handles sexual tension very well; BUFFY, DS9, LEXX all handled non-hetero relationships well. WHO did not - and as far as TORCHWOOD is concerned, it doesn't seem to be possible to hold down a monogamous gay relationship without fucking everyone else as well. I've given up trying to figure out why the gay community has no problem with this overwhelmingly negative portrayal of gay relationships - does this mean gays CAN'T be monogamous? Not in SF shows on the Beeb right now, NO! - and I just fucking despair right now. WHO was primarily a history show with SF overtones and a set of cool characters aimed at people who weren't fucking interested in sex at that age. In these "enlightened" times, where 7-year olds wear tops that say FUTURE PORN STAR on them, I'm not surprised about the fact that sex is crowbarred into shows that are plainly aimed at an audience too fucking young to need this kind of complication - gay OR straight. Dr Who was never about sex - it was about SF: space ships, SF concepts, morals, ethics, battles, aliens, monsters, and in the middle, a pacifist hero who never excluded anybody. He managed this BECAUSE he was asexual - it FUCKING WORKED FOR THAT CHARACTER!<P> Now RTD is obsessed with getting all the fucking HEAT readers and Paris-Hilton-wirshipping twats watching his pet show, all his episodes are full of references to stuff that has fuck-all to do with SF and everything to do with him, his interests and his lifestyle. None of which were written into the character of the Doctor up to the end of his reign in 1989, so why the fuck should they be now?<P> End rant. Smashing, Prof, bring it on.<P> *Must be a hetero proverb - I read it in PLAYBOY!!!

  • May 21, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Alexander Siddig

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Dr. Bashir would make a great Eleventh Doctor. While we are on the subject of LOST, Sonya walger ought to make an appearance. Alan dale has already shown up on TORCHWOOD pretty much playing Charles Widmore. why not Penny, too?

  • May 21, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Moffet lurve

    by the grev

    All this unadulterated Moffet loving going on here makes me laugh... because in 2-3 years time most of you RTD haters will be on here bitching that Moffet's completely blown it coz he's done this, that and the other wrong and the last episode was crap and...etc etc.

  • May 21, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Going a little off-topic here....................

    by axcel1

    I know, I know, "Hail, Hail, the King is dead, Long live the King!!!!", but, I was wondering about Cardiff, being an american, would it be considered UK's version of Los Angles (Hollywood) or more like New York City? I googled it, sounds like a great to visit. Also wondering if anyone's seen any filming of the xmas special yet? They usually start working on it during or after the current season(series).

  • May 21, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by proper

    I dub thee http://tinyurl.com/5yg8ce :),Sci-fi,disturbing situations and quality monsters please.

  • May 21, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    My sole contribution to this discussion

    by Clancy Van Lustbader

    That line in Jekyll: "Love is a psychopath." Ain't that the truth. Moffatt is obviously a very talented writer as long as he doesn't fall into his own self-devised tarpit of cleverness. He skirted around it a few times on Coupling without ever actually falling into it and I respect him for that.

  • May 21, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    X-Mas Special

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    there are some Cybermen photos floating about. They are rusty and worn out. fans are speculating they are the same ones the doctor sent into the Void in "Doomsday," so they haveseen better days. a couple other photos feature Tennant surrounded by people in Victorian era clothing. <P> I have them posted, but I am loathe to self link twice in one talkback. But hey, the eve Myles naked photo was worth it, no?

  • May 21, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    I know this is a little late...

    by O_Goncho

    ...but WOO-FUCKING-HOO! Yes, yes, yes! This couldn't be BETTER news for Who fans! Particularly those of us who (whilst eternally grateful to him), are sick to fucking death of RTD ruining the very same series he helped reinvigorate. So again, WOO-FUCKING-HOO!

  • May 21, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    McGann for the 11th Doctor...

    by lynxpro

    I want Paul McGann back if Tennant is leaving. Do something new like a degeneration and give McGann a proper chance at the role. He could've been the best Doctor since Tom Baker had it returned as a series in 1996/7, or anytime before the RTD relaunch in 2005. Back before Billie Piper was cast, I posted plenty that I wanted Sienna Miller as the female companion...funny that flashforwarding to 2008, she's paired with Christopher Eccleston in *G.I. Joe* as the Baroness and Destro.

  • May 21, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Do an entire season on the Time War...

    by BurnHollywood

    Bring back McGann as the 8th Doctor, who regenerates into Eccleston towards the end, after losing a fist-fight with a Dalek.<p> Would be a blast.

  • May 22, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Hugh Laurie for the Doctor!

    by board shitlez

    But it'll never happen. Bill Nighy? There will never be an older gentleman doctor again. Ever. People seem to think Moffat will instantly hark back to some kind of fanboy wankfest with the time meddler coming back dressed as Ace and the Hand of Omega up his eye of harmony. He won't. Brilliance of the new Who (and praise to RTD for it) is CHILDREN like it. Smart, inclusive family fun. He can be cool and drop ni the fun for the fans, but why alienate the bulk of the audience?

  • May 22, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Yes to Moffat, and GOD NO to Nesbit.

    by AnnoyYou

    Over the moon about the Moffat news - this is as if Whedon had been smart enough to leave Buffy in Drew Goddard's hands. Excellent successor, in other words. As for anyone even THINKING the execrable James Nesbit could be the next Doctor: OH HELL NO. He's an annoying middling actor and much too unattractive (yeah, Eccleston was no beauty, but his personality and talent more than made up for it). I say: Robert Carlyle (YES), Jack Davenport (I know that US swinging singles show is going to fail), Kevin McKidd (GINGER DOCTOR!) or, yeah, Richard Coyle, who would be weird but interesting. It's almost too bad John Simm played The Master (although he was brilliant) - he would have made a smashing 11.

  • May 22, 2008, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Smashing-

    by Lost Jarv

    what I said was in response to the Prof. I apologise for the clumsy wording- I meant that I only mentioned it in response to an allegation thrown by someone else. <P>Not hypocrisy, lazy writing on my behalf. <P>Sorry.

  • May 22, 2008, 2:43 a.m. CST

    oh and I stand by the fact that you are a pompous bigot

    by Lost Jarv

    Just in case I forget to mention it.

  • May 22, 2008, 3:19 a.m. CST

    My suggestion for the next Doctor... Murray Lachlan Young.

    by workshed

    http://tinyurl.com/5xb6x2 - i reckon he would be perfect for the role.

  • May 22, 2008, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Goodbye you fucking donut puncher!

    by SonOfTorah

    Thank Adonai that Russell T Davies is stepping down from making Dr Who. Maybe we might be able to get an episode or 2 that doesn't feature some promotion of homosexuality in some form or other. i fucking hate it when film makers use a popular medium to promote thier own agenda. Want to push out homosexuality, you pervert? Then do it with some kind of late night tv series, not something that the Brits watch at 7pm! Fucking shit stabber...

  • May 22, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Hugh Laurie would be

    by tomdolan04

    an absolute blast in the role, and a welcome return to UK shores. Even if he pretty much played the same character as House it would be a wild ride. A shame he's tied up. <p> Phillip Glennister (guy from Life On Mars)? I'm easy, as long as it's not a pretty boy under 25 with jack experience.

  • May 22, 2008, 4:41 a.m. CST

    BurnHollywood

    by spud mcspud

    I think we'd all love to see a DOCTOR WHO: TIME WAR movie or season, but as it's what all the fans want, that's precisely what the Beeb WON'T do.<P> Although - they DID get Moffat in. Maybe not because of the fans, but...<P> There's hope. A tiny, sparkling glimmer of hope...

  • May 22, 2008, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Spud, the Beeb probably won't do a Time War

    by Lemming

    because most British sci-fi fans are happy when stuff is eluded to and used as a plot device. We like a bit of mystery. We don't need prequels and back stories and 'Doctor Who Junior!' or whatever shoved down our throats over this side of the pond..I'm looking at you 'Caprica'.<p>A Time War prequel is not needed. However, I'm all for it if <i>another</i> Time War happens..

  • May 22, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    axcel1 re: Cardiff

    by Lemming

    It's not really an equivalent to anything in the US. But it is a great little city. I went to University there. Smallest Capital city in Europe..but more importantly, the chick to guy ratio at Cardiff Uni was 3 to 1. :D. Oh and Welsh women all have large breasts. Something in the water, I think..

  • May 22, 2008, 5:41 a.m. CST

    proper

    by spud mcspud

    LOL - Potato Assassin! Silent but deadly... ;P

  • May 22, 2008, 5:46 a.m. CST

    re Cardiff

    by Lost Jarv

    It's in Wales so there isn't a US equivalent- certainly not either of the 2 examples you gave. It is effectively a state capital. <P>It's quite a cute little city, but I wouldn't bother going back. <P>And it isn't the smallest European capital city. I'd bet on the Vatican (city-state doncherknow), or whatever the capital of Andorra, Lichenstein or Luxemborg being smaller.

  • May 22, 2008, 5:48 a.m. CST

    I've said it befoire and I'll say it again

    by Maniaq

    I still say RUFUS SEWELL would make an excellent Doctor - watch him play Murdoch in Dark City and tell me I'm wrong? <p> Not crazy about the other choices mentioned, although I must admit I do find Brian Cox an interesting suggestion. Does anyone know what Sean Pertwee would think of the idea? <p> At the risk of getting into a "gay agenda" debate, I think Frames put his finger on it - RTD doesn't necessarily have a gay Agenda, he just happens to be gay with gay tastes and sensibilities - which are 90% out of step with this show and its core audience. <p> He needs to take a leaf out of Don Simpson and Jerry Bruckheimer's book - they successfully integrated "gay" culture into the mainstream without most (straight) people even realising it. <p> Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on the subject. Again, GREAT fucking news and I honestly don't mind either way if Tennant was to go too, or not...

  • May 22, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Brian Blessed....

    by Lost Jarv

    heh, Although Rufus Sewell is also a great idea.

  • May 22, 2008, 6:26 a.m. CST

    James Purefoy

    by Lost Jarv

    that would be a bit strange. Not Sean "son of wurzel" pertwee. Or how about a female Doctor?

  • May 22, 2008, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Clumsy wording equals clumsy thinking.

    by Smashing

    Try to dissemble your way out of lie above if you must Jarv but don't expect some entry level insults to make people forget or not see your real actions, you self hating heterosexual. 8)

  • May 22, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Rufus Sewell... hmm...

    by spud mcspud

    Definite potential there. You need someone with the doctor's kind of otherworldliness, that indefinable sense of dislocation, the feeling that he isn't thinking on the same level as the rest of us...<P> I like the idea of Rufus Sewell - he did that disconnected state very well in DARK CITY (still on of my all-time favourite SF movies, and criminally under-rated), and is of course physically nothing like the previous ten Doctors, which I think is hugely important. People saying things like Alan Davies are basically saying they want Tom Baker back - going for someone who resembles your favourite Doctor is not the way to go! Otherwise all the Tennant fans might get their wish and the 11th Doctor would be Jarvis Cocker (well, he DOES resemble an ugly David Tennant).<P> I think the days of the older, more arch statesman-like Doctors may well and truly be over - and why not? Does the new audience for Who REALLY want to see creaky old thesps giving their best Shakespearean to this show? The acting may be better, but kids will find it very difficult to relate to the likes of Bill nighy and Richard E Grant, great ideas though they may be.<P> So, to recap... someone young-ish, with gravitas, depth yet able ot do action, a sense of disconnectedness...<P> Rufus Sewell. James Purefoy, I like (looking forward to SOLOMON KANE!). Definitely NOT James Nesbitt. Sean Pertwee would be better fronting a UNIT special ops squad, I think. Or playing Tarrant in the remake of BLAKES 7. Henry Ian Cusick would be awesome, but you'll not get himm off of LOST until 2010.<P> Sewell's got my vote, for that quirky darkness he does very well.<P> Smashing - Get over this shit. You're a bigot, only you think your bigotry is justified as you are hating the majority. Go after the REAL homophobes like SonOfTorah and give it a rest. You claim to be intelligent, yet patently don't see the difference between people like Jarv and myself who are sick of seeing political correctness being used by people like you to justify forcing acceptance of your lifestyles on others who live by different lifestyles. SonOfTorah is obviously a complete hater, so go waste your time with him. You'll have much in common.

  • May 22, 2008, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by spud mcspud

    The problem with a female Doctor is that people think quirky females in the UK on TV begin and end with Fr5ench and Saunders. I'd cast Lucy Montgomery myself - she's a gifted actress who began in comedy (TITTYBANGBANG) and could be an interesting leftfield choice. I'd still go with Rufus Sewell though.

  • May 22, 2008, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Smashing

    by Lost Jarv

    No, clumsy wording= posting at work, so having to post fast. <P>At least I had the grace to apologise about the mistake.

  • May 22, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    and as I said before:

    by Lost Jarv

    "Try to dissemble your way out of lie above if you must Jarv but don't expect some entry level insults to make people forget or not see your real actions, you self hating heterosexual. 8)" <P>You pompous little bigot.

  • May 22, 2008, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Spud

    by Lost Jarv

    I was thinking about the woman in Happy Go Lucky (I think that's what it is called)- Quirky, offbeat not conventionally attractive, can absolutely act. <P>But you're right, Quirky female according to the BBC= Dawn French or Catherine Tate. Neither of whom I would want darkening my TV.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Call me crazy but I'm not sure i want to see the Time War

    by CrichtonAstronut

    I mean I'd watch if it were made. I'd certainly watch it if Moffat wrote it. But I'd sort of pefere it being something eluded to or brought out in a few flashbacks. But not the whole thing. I just think it would kill the mystery and the War that's shown would never live up to what we've already built up in our imaginations. Like the Star Wars prequels, The Clone War was so much cooler when it was just a name and we didn't know anything about it.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    And Desmond from Lost would make a bloody brilliant Doctor.

    by CrichtonAstronut

  • May 22, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    We already have a female Doctor.

    by CrichtonAstronut

    Doctor Martha Jones. We also have a female Gallifreyan Time Lady. Romana. Her and a Tardis of her own, now That would be a spinoff.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Hey shouldn't the Master have a spare Tadis somwhere near

    by CrichtonAstronut

    the end of the universe. I doubt he walked.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    I don't know about the Alan Davies/Tom Baker

    by CrichtonAstronut

    comparison. Jonathon Creek seemed a little bit grumpier and more socially awkward than Tom Baker ever did as the Doctor. I o think the actuall Tom Baker should come back as one of the Baddies, that would just be awesome. Maybe Tom Baker as the Black Guardian.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    I remember the Coupling where Jane tried to make Steve

    by CrichtonAstronut

    jealous with her completely gay male date. And Jeffery's commentary on the probable advantages of being homosexual wass priceless.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Martha Jones?

    by Lost Jarv

    Doctorate of drippyness

  • May 22, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I think the relatiionship issue on Torchwood isn't

    by CrichtonAstronut

    a sexual orientation thing. They can't hold proper commited reationships because of their jobs. It's sort of like the MI5 guy who keeps going in and out of relationships, he has to keep too many secrets and it poisons things. Gwen's the only one whose had the courage to make a real go of it. Possibly because she was the only one who had a relationship going in. Owen's died before he joined. As for Jack what does a lifelong relationship mean when you're immortal in a mortal world. As the Doctor pointed out to Rose she ca spend the rest of her life with him, he can't. And at somepoint getting too close to any one person becomes too painful.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Rufus Sewll a good idea. I loved Dark City

    by CrichtonAstronut

    but I fear he might be too broody. We don't want the Doctor to lose his sense of fun.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    gayness

    by Steve T

    I find all this gay agenda talk fascinating. Some people can't just accept that if a writer doesn't have a problem with homosexuality then it's quite natural to put a gay character in. the same way you'd have a male or female character, black or white or asian, blonde or brunette. It's just a character choice not some huge statement. I have to admit some of the sexuality stuff has been a bit awkward at times (first series of Torchwood for example) but other uses have either been entertaining (some of the Jack stuff) or touching (the two fellas in the Agatha Christie episode). As always there is a fair bit of bullshit flying on both sides tho. The Doctor hanging around with women and not doing anything because he's gay thing for example. I mean the Doctor spent five years surrounded by men in uniform and never got remotely worked up... And if anyone doesn't thing there is some Homophobic ranting on here then you haven't seen posts by dipshits like SonOfTorah. I'd never want a new doctor to be patterned after an old one, but I'd love to see Sean Pertwee play his father's doctor in a multi doctor episode!

  • May 22, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Speaking of forrest for the trees Ecceston definitely

    by CrichtonAstronut

    wanted to pollinate with that tree lady in End of the World.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    I like the idea of Sean Pertwee in UNIT he has the

    by CrichtonAstronut

    right look and personality for a Lethbridge-Stewart type character. Something about him just looks official. And clever. Watch him in Brother Cadfael he's brilliant.

  • May 22, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Totally agree about the character choice Steve T

    by CrichtonAstronut

    it's just as legitimate to say a character is gay or bi or head over hills for a member of the same sex as it is to say this guy character is head over heels for this woman. Or this charcter has this reigion, or comes from this culture.

  • May 22, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    If were back to suggesting a female Doctor

    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    Then I stand by my suggestion given when this subject came up last year. Helen McCrory would be all kinds of wonderful.

  • May 22, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Before I forget. Don't know if there are any Death Note

    by CrichtonAstronut

    fans or Manga or Anime fans here but I just saw the live action Death Note movie and Wow unbeleivably awesome. Might be the best movie this summer. Great story and great acting brilliant pace and vsual style. Definitely worth seeing. Think it's off American theaters as it was only on for two days, but if it ever comes on DVD get it. It's awesome.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Sean Pertwee in unit

    by Lost Jarv

    already been made. It was called Dog Soldiers and was, in fact, kickass.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    I don't see why a female Doctor is such a bad thing,

    by Lost Jarv

    I really don't AND I would be pro-keeping Tate if they did it.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    JAck Davenport as the Doctor

    by Lost Jarv

    already been made. It was called Ultraviolet and was also fucking great. <P>I'd like to see an Ultraviolet revival, but that stupid manga thing killed it stone dead.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    If wwe want to go femme hero I don't see why we don't

    by CrichtonAstronut

    go with the chick Time Lady heroine already established cannon. As in Romana.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Because that would be another spin off-

    by Lost Jarv

    Here's an idea: The Doctor has what 13 regens and is seriously running low. What they should do is have the 13th Doctor "Die" but transfer consciousness into Romana (willing sacrifce, yada yada yada- somoeone more talented than me can probably find a non parasitic way to do it) who is only on regen, what, 1- that way the 14th Doctor would be female and on her first go. <P>They are painted into a corner with limited regens though.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    By style oin Death Note I do mean style not

    by CrichtonAstronut

    Fx of which there is virtually none. But Light and L are fantastically potrayed.

  • May 22, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    The limited regens has an easy out...

    by V'Shael

    The Time Lords offered the Master a new life cycle once. <p> If the Doctor brings the Time Lords back from oblivion, don't you think they would be a BIT grateful?

  • May 22, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    even easier out

    by palewook

    goes back to time war, grabs another time lord, tosses him in tardis, while the doctor stays. <p> so cheesy and easy it deserves "Star Trek:" in front of its name.

  • May 22, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Very good news: All Credit to RTD Though

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    It is vogue to bash RTD, but he did successfully revive Who. Now is the time to take it to the next level!

  • May 22, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to Moffat

    by tylermo

    Don't get me wrong. RTD brought the series back, and sometimes he did it sort of well. Other times, it was just a bunch of fart joke, pop culture references, and one-sided social awareness nonsense. That said, don't think that Moffat coming onboard translates into 12 or 13 5-star episodes each season. Even he can't deliver that. And, who's to say DW still won't suffer from what I call the 90's/2000's sitcomsy-dramedy feel? It very well could. Although, I'd say having Moffat at the top is a good call. Blink was good, as was Empty Child. Not to mention the others. Plus, I think he'd be likely to push for more great ep's from other writers like Mysterious Planet and The Satan Pit, as well as Human Nature and Family of Blood. Some of the new series greats no doubt! Thanks for bringing it back RTD. And, welcome aboard, Mr. Moffat! At long last.

  • May 22, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Alan Davies as Who?

    by the grev

    Ah, Alan Davies as Dr Who... I can see it now. The door of the Tardis opens and out pops cuddly funnyman, Alan Davies. Except that like all comedians he's actually a grumpy manic depressive who was last in the news several months back for lurching out of a restaurant, exploding with anger and biting a chunk out of a wino's face!! Are you planning on Alan Davies' Dr. Who being pre or post watershed?! Just thought I'd ask...

  • May 22, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Full Metal Who

    by the grev

    On the other hand, Alan Davies as the Dr. would make a great origins story for the Cybermen - fed up with having an angry manic depressive comedian Dr. Who popping out of the Tardis whenever he feels like it and biting chunks out of their faces, they give themselves a full metal body makeover in order to gain some protection. 'Let's see that psycho Dr. Who try chomping his gnashers into that lot, the curly haired violent bastard!' Announces the Cyber Controller, before he starts worrying about rust. 'Damn that Dr Who, we've been foiled again' etc etc etc

  • May 22, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Mo-fo (at)

    by mulberry

    I think a lot of toys will be thrown out of prams come 2010. Some people here are envisgaing some form of hardline sci-fi paradise. Moffat is not stupid enough to ditch the fluffy, dopey, camp elements which make Dr Who perfect for family viewing on 6.30pm on a Saturday evening on BBC1 (plus the merchandising). If people here had their way it would end up being 9pm on a Wednesday on BBC2 with a small fraction of the audience.

  • May 22, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Cardiff, Wisconsin

    by mulberry

    US equivalent of Cardiff? <br> Hard one to come up with. The whole of Wales was for a long time dependent on mining and heavy industry, then it was gutted in the 80s by a combination of Tory government policies and its lack of preparedness for post-industrial Britain. <br> Very much on the up now, with its own devolved Parliament, pride in its non-English heritage (albeit often in an annoying, soccer mom wants Bryn to have the chance to go to a Welsh-speaking school and get a nice job in local government way). Nice castle. Horror story when the pubs kick out on a Friday night. Great music - Manic Street Preachers, Cerys Matthews, Tom Jones, Duffy, Hot Puppies.. It probably dreams it is New Orleans (before the flood), or even Seattle, probably more like a teeny Boston or Detroit or Chicago.

  • May 22, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Lost Jarv & mulberry, thank you for your thoughts on Cardiff

    by axcel1

    As an american fan, one of the things I enjoy about Watching Doctor Who & Torchwood is the city (Cardiff) it uses as it's backdrop. When you consider the fact that most american tv shows uses LA, NYC, and, to cut costs, Vancover, Canada locations, Cardiff is a very pleasant change of pace.

  • May 22, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Oh, one more thing..........

    by axcel1

    I also watch The Sarah Jane Adventures and enjoy that, too. One thing Liz Sladden and Harrison Ford have in common, niether look 80 and over.

  • May 22, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Sorry, I meant 60, not 80!!!!!

    by axcel1

    What can I say, I'm no typist!!! lol

  • May 22, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    I've said it before - the next doctor: TIMOTHY DALTON

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Being American, I don't know what the BBC is willing to pay for the lead role...that is, how much they're willing to break the piggy bank to keep someone great in the Kirk captain chair (so to speak)...and I don't even know what someone like Dalton would want, but according to his IMDB listing he doesn't even have anything listed as coming up. He's free and clear.<p>I've always thought he was under-appreciated as Bond...in HOT FUZZ he still looked great, showed he's still in good shape, and he exuded a fun boisterous playfulness that I naturally want to see the Doctor having. So come on! Think larger for the next actor! Pull him out of retirement for 2 or 3 seasons!<p>But of course that's only if Tennant leaves. I love him in the role (he's my all-time favorite) and he can stay forever as far as I'm concerned. As I said at the beginning, and given how successful he's made the show for today's audience, if I was running the BBC there's no check too large that I wouldn't write to keep Tennant happy and onboard no matter what...

  • As I said in an earlier post, David Tennant stays until I'm on my death bed, which I hope won't be for 50 years.

  • May 22, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    New Doctor?

    by Hookman

    I like Tennant. I like him a lot. But to be honest, while the show is great, I would love to see a darker side to it. I think that Moffat can pull it off, hell, look at the Eps he did. Some of the best, and darkest. The shows tone will undoubtedly change, for the better I think, but can Tennant keep it up. I hope so, but if not, I would love to see Robbie Coltrane (never will happen), James Nesbitt (If you have not seen Jekyll, go rent it, he would be a great doctor) or even Robert Carlyle (Begbie as the Doctor...) Face it, Tennant is not going to be there for more than a few more years, and I suspect he won't be back after 2010...

  • May 22, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Fanboy Fuckwits

    by the grev

    You lot are fucking hilarious. You hate RTD - despite the fact that no matter how much you protest it RTD is the SOLE reason Who got recommissioned in the first place - and you worship Moffet because you think he's going to turn Who into a Fanboy wankathon whereby Who becomes hard SF - which it won't. You then claim that DESPITE the fact that you all know damn fucking well that the hardcore audience of Who are kids that it should ignore them and create hard SF episodes that don't 'dumb down' to the kids. In other words you expect the average kid in the playground to be overjoyed that he's going to have to watch 2.5 hours of 'real' Sci-fi like 20001: a Space Oddessy, or Solaris. Where any of you cretins ever kids? What a bunch of elitist fucking fuckwits.

  • May 23, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Moffat

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    I do not believe nor do i desire Moffat to turn WHO into hard Science fiction. What i am hoping for is a more Gothic tones, new villains other than trotting out the Dalaks ever six episodes, and an end to puppy love suffering companions. <P> I have no problem bouncing between historical settings and futuristic sci fi settings. I have no problem with a mix of smaller stories like "The unicorn and the wasp" and epics like "Doomsday." I do not even mind romance for the Doctor if it is handled maturely like "The Girl in the Fireplace. moffat has demonstrated he can pull all that off, so i have faith i will continue enjoying his adventures of the good doctor."

  • May 23, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    SonOfTorah

    by board shitlez

    That's a brave move man. It takes guts to come out on a forum like this. As SonOfTorah rightly says, there's absoulutely nothing wrong with being gay and he's right to point out the prevalence of hatespeech on this site. Well done SonOfTorah. For coming out as gay.

  • May 23, 2008, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Bitching about WHO being more adult...

    by spud mcspud

    No-one who wants a Who spin-off show would have been complaining if the "edgy, dark, adult" show we'd been promised in the upcoming TORCHWOOD hadn't turned out to be fucking CARRY ON ALIEN RECTAL PROBE. If Jack isn't fucking everything that moves he's being a 2-dimensional berk with no idea how to run a top-secret team. Ianto is, simply, a plank. Gwen is an adulterous cow who treats her fiance like shit; Owen (inexplicably the sex symbol) is a loudmouth obnoxious twat who scarily resembles the Crazy Frog; Tosh is there for racial cliched stereotyping (because Orientals are ALWAYS the scientists - right, Sulu?). The only time they act with any cohesion or intelligence is when the plot demands it, and the lurch from unlikeable no-hoper twats to instant professional scientists is so lurching and atonal it would look out of place in a David Lynch or McG film.<P> We who would like to see a darker, hard-edged series based in the Who universe were promised just such a show. What we got would not have shamed Kenneth Williams or Frankie Howard in their heyday: a classic camp shitfest that plays like a bastard offspring of FLASH GORDON and X-FILES. Adult, edgy, dark, Who: all of these it ain't.<P> I don't blame Moffat - he'll keep the lightness with the dark, and hopefully no patronising agendas will creep in other than out-and-out SF family entertainment. I'm fucking angry at the Beeb - for not having the balls to give us a decent adult (meaning fucking scary, not rife with meaningless immature sexual relationships) Who show, when the original producer of the first Who is also the woman who produced arguably one the greatest bleak adult sci-fi series ever - QUATERMASS (THE CONCLUSION).<P> BBC, you're fucking useless. Sort yourselves out - keep the gayfest that is TORCHWOOD, you can at least lay claim to the first SF show aimed firstly at the gay/bi market, then at everyone else - but at least show you can still deliver decent SF for grown-ups. IF you still can...

  • May 23, 2008, 4:47 a.m. CST

    doesn't have to be hard SF

    by Maniaq

    but I think we'd all like the show to be a little darker - like the old series used to be and this version occasionally is, too. I remember some of those eps, when I was a kid, used to be genuinely creepy! Not exactly scary, like a horror film, but still... <p> The number of times someone became trapped or infected or in some kind of imminent danger - and the music came on and it was the end of the episode! <p> I think RTD had all the right intentions but was limited in his execution - and possibly by the BBC, warning him off making it too "adult" - and I hope Moffat will not suffer from the same limitations...

  • May 23, 2008, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Best news I have heard for ages

    by SKULL1138

    RTD is an idiot, all of his scripted episodes have been awful, if he allowed that episode 2 weeks ago to go on air, with the Doctors daughter he should be ashamed, that was the worst episode of Dr Who I have ever seen. <P> The guns were bent, meaning they could never hav fired bvullets and you could see the bunsen burner attached to the end to look like fire was coming off the muzzle, awful. <P> Thank god last weeks was really good, Donna is best sidekick ever, but they dont use her enough, why did they bring Martha uninteresting back. <P> Moffat writes the best stuff and I think he is the best man to rejuvinate the series.

  • May 23, 2008, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Well said, sir Tubor

    by Lost Jarv

    Spot fucking on- but seeing as they've just purged the cast of Torchwood, maybe they can do it properly. <P>Ultraviolet was proper adult Sci-Fi/ Horror so the BBC sure as fuck can do it, but they'd rather chase reality TV dreck (I want to be in X musical, but am a tone deaf twat so please abuse me Mr. Llyod Webber) fronted by the most overpaid annoying tit on television. <P>Rant over.

  • May 23, 2008, 5:41 a.m. CST

    I should say

    by SKULL1138

    I thak RTD for bringing it back, he made abad choice using Ecclestone IMO, but Tennant was an inspired choice, best Doctor since Baker. <P> But his own scripted episodes like the finales are usually a let down, and he lets too many bad scripts per series pass through. Its like they have 9-10 great scripts and then they just fill in the wholes with some shitty episode and a couple of phoning it ins that he writes. <P> Will moffat be any better as the show runner? I dont know, but he definitelyhas written some of the best episodes for RTD, he seems to gett hat Dr Who should be scary, in a kiddy way, the kids should be a bit scared of it, without it going too adult. <P> Dont get me started on Torchwwod, they really need to cancel that show, I for one am never watching another episode, I have watched 2 series now and have been waiting for something that is just not there. <P> I know... I could write a better series plotline for Torchwwod in 30 minutes to follow, in fact if they gave it to me right now I am confident I could rejuvinate it. <P> I have sent a script in for Dr Who before, but apparently I am not well known enough to be considered. But then you look at that ep 2 weeks ago, my god, I could have written better than that when I was 11.

  • May 23, 2008, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Skull,

    by Lost Jarv

    The first thing they need to do with Torchwood is get it out of Cardiff. It's daft to set it there- Cardiff isn't that interesting and lacks the history, range and seediness of London. <P>Then recast Crazy Frog, Kill Plank boy and that horrible Welsh slapper, Bring back Tosh (if only for my sexual gratification) and do a series where Barrowman has to keep it in his trousers and not try to nail anyone. If he overacts like a pantomime dame, then find some way to write his immortal character out as well. <P>Then, borrow heavily from the likes of Ultraviolet, Quatermass etc and bring on some fucking darkness.

  • May 23, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by SKULL1138

    agreed, essentially, Jack was all abiout the sex when he first met the doc, but after his immortality and his losses, he like the Doc should ahve become celebate. <P> Jack should be the anchor of morality and they should use his cant dies skills more a la Captain Scarlett. <P> they need to completely re cast the show, with actors that can act. <P> Heres an idea, Thye dont have any iconic bad guys in Torchwwod like Dr Who has, you know what neither did the Doc till someone created them for the first time. <P> What Torchwwod needed in series 2 was a great villain to keep coming back, Spike from buffy was...well Spike from buffy, thats all he did, bt he was gay..Yawn. <P> It makes Cardiff seem like the gayest city in the world <P> and yes they need to get out of Cardiff, let them go to Glasgow, london, Liverpool etc from time to time <P> I think its so far gone now, they probably cant save it without a complete start over, wonder if RTD will still oversee that show, that was not mentioned, basically he will make it Queer as aliens wont he?

  • May 23, 2008, 6:16 a.m. CST

    It's infuriating,

    by Lost Jarv

    and I know that a lot of people here like it, but I'll just use a non-geek (my much nicer half)'s reaction. <P>She's only seen 2 episodes (only a few less than me), but was rolling around with tears of laughter. Admittedly, the 2 she saw were the Alien fuckmonster one, and the first Spike one. The first spike one was a real source of amusement to her- "look they're fighting, now they're kissing, now they're fighting, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Who do you think's the bitch in the relationship?" and She is San-Franciscan raised by gay dudes so more tolerant than anyone else I know. She just thought it was fucking stupid and laughable. <P>I think that reaction shows that it is (as spud said) Carry on Secret Governement Agency. It's like it was written by a fucking adolescent: "How can we provoke the Mail reading squares this week?" and "So, wouldn't it be cool if Jack fucked Spike from buffy this time?" <P>Pathetic.

  • May 23, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Jarv - Agreed with ULTRAVIOLET

    by spud mcspud

    I very much enjoyed it - some beautiful cinematography, all gun metal blue steely filters, and some great ideas (I love that vampires are referred to as Code 5 - 5 being V in Roman numerals!) but did, I think, sink a little under the weight of its own pretentiousness. It felt very portentous and serious, with no laughter at all along the way. It's as if someone watched the X-FILES, inexplicably missed the dry wit of Mulder, the incredulity of Scully and the more silly yet still brilliant episodes (JOSE CHUNG, I'm looking at you), and thought that all the X-FILES comprised of were espionage type killings carried out by anonymous dudes in raincoats, to keep knowledge of the alien agenda completely silent. Then they took that over-serious view of the X-FILES and made the aliens vampires, and whoomp - there's ULTRAVIOLET.<P> This isn't to say I hated it - I thought it was awesome! But it definitely needed some lighter moments in there - it got VERY depressing towards the end...<P> I thought INVASION EARTH was great for similar reasons to ULTRAVIOLET - UK sci-fi gone ambitious and large-scale - and I enjoyed the downer ending, but it went too far the other way; whereas ULTRAVIOLET was serious as hell but tightly plotted and brilliantly acted, INVASION EARTH started to have people do things that made no sense, or not react with the kind of horrified reactions we'd have expected - it was a little too "in their stride". But there were some suitably horrific scenes where we saw what happened to the abductees taken by the nD race, and it had a great payoff at the end. Both ULTRAVIOLET and INVASION EARTH showed the best of UK SF - ambition, scope, great acting and story, gripping plotting... We're capable of greatness over here, so why settle for the sop to the politically correct Beeb honchos / stick to poke the middle-England WASP Mail readers with that was, and is, TORCHWOOD? It's a fucking embarrassment to all concerned, and needs to be put the hell out of its own misery. In contrast, I enjoyed the hell out of ELEVENTH HOUR (ITV I know, but it WAS great to see Patrick Stewart back) and SEA OF SOULS, which got great in the second season. More stuff like that please!

  • May 23, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    What happened to QUATERMASS anyway?

    by spud mcspud

    The live BBC Three remake with Jason Flemyng as Bernard Quatermass (and starring a pre-Who David Tennant) was a bit of a flop, but laudable for its attempt to relaunch its source - it was ambitious and well written, but with no real payoff. And if there was one big mistake - it was too close to its own source material. We all KNOW the UK doesn't have a space ministry (and if you're going to do an altered history story, you'd HAVE to do Warren Ellis' MINISTRY OF SPCAE or ORBITER anyway) and the story didn't move quickly enough. Take RTD's sense of pacing, Nigel Kneale's darkness and cynicism at the Government to do anything worthwhile, his take on humanity and its inability to learn from its own mistakes, add actors the calibre of Tennant and Flemyng (though I'd have a James Nesbitt or a Derek Jacobi as Quatermass now) and give us a story as dark as the near-future apocalyptic QUATERMASS CONCLUSION. Ringstone Round still gives me the shivers, and that is one of the best endings to an SF show EVER. Fact.

  • May 23, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Its dead to me

    by SKULL1138

    I have no Torchwood on my TV (Rips his jacket) <P> By the way, this season of Who in general has been pretty poor, if iot was not for Tate I think I would have stopped watching it as well. <P> I hope it goes for a good ennding, although with RTD writing it as per normal, I doubt that it will be that good, like all the others it will be too big, all the SFX budget will ahve been used on it and the story will suffer, thats what happened at end of every other series, with least offense in the first series. <P> I hope they make it a little smaller scale and maybe also not set in 2008 England, looking forward to 2010. <P> Oh and if Tennant doesnt do another I say bring in anybody but James Nesbitt, I hate that guy, he is always rubbish in everything he does IMO. <P> Id like to see someone a little older next time, not Hartnell old, but justa little older, dont know who, no idea, prefer someone not too well known as Tennant was.

  • May 23, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    This season of who has been resoundingly "meh"

    by Lost Jarv

    First episode- Poor, second one- meh to good, third one- meh, fourth meh, fifth- meh to bad, sixth- fucking dreadful. <P>Tate has surprised me and until last week, I would have said she's been improving with every episode> Last week's feels like it was shot first and she hadn't got into it yet. <P>I'm happy to eat my words on this one.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    I like her

    by SKULL1138

    I just think its refreshing to have soemone who argues and takes the mickey out the Doctor. <P> She has that natural comic ability, whereas Marth was just a some extra in a previous series that must have been giving head to people on the set to get the part (Not RTD obviously) <P. She has nothing, totally boring to watch, perhaps its not her acting ability at all however, it could be the part was written for her being dull, its just did not work and I think they realised that and thats why they changed it, but she was obviously contracted and so they had to have her in TW and the odd episode of Who.

  • May 23, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Why?

    by SKULL1138

    Nearly every post I put on misses the last paragraph off on this shit site, its been happening for 2 days, I cant even be botherd explaining why I thought Martha did not work right, so it looks like I am just having a go at her <P> Fuck it no one wants to hear what I think anyway.

  • May 23, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST

    And In Other News

    by ericinwisconsin

    Steven Moffat has announced that Terry Nation will write the first script of the next season. When pressed, Nation admitted that he felt the fact that he's dead shouldn't interfere with his story output. "I've been dead a long time," Nation told us. "But I continue to write due to contractual obligations." Nation also stated that he hopes to write a multi-Doctor story. "We're hoping to get Jon Pertwee for that one," he said.

  • May 23, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    The real question is......

    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    In the absence of Who tomorrow night, will we get a Eurovision talkback here?

  • May 24, 2008, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Jarv - Last ep WAS shot first

    by spud mcspud

    Apparently THE UNICORN AND THE WASP was the first ep shot after they'd done the Christmas special, which means Tate was still in "bellowing fishwife" mode. She's not THAT bad - well, not as bad as I thought she'd be - but she's still not good either. The ability to cry on cue does not constitute good acting - and it's a shame the Beeb seem to think it does.<P> Still anything's better than the RUNAWAY BRIDE. The best original villain design so far, hamstrung by a lack of CGI budget (would've loved to see the Racnoss MOVING!) and a crappy ending (an indefinable CG blur constitues millions of Racnoss children? If we can't SEE them, we don't care when they die!!). The WORST companion by far. The annoyance of having the BEST action sequence (TARDIS pacing a runaway taxi, the Doctor trying to catch Donna as she leaps from said taxi) in one of the WORST episodes. And VOYAGE OF THE DAMNED was even worse. I look to this year's ChristmasDay episode with barely concealed dread...

  • May 24, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    RTDs last laugh.....his final scripted episode...

    by Seph_J

    will be 'Doctor Who & Terry Wogan'.... where the Tardis intercepts a signal that sends it crazy... forcing it to emergency-materialise in some crazy neon european city. Turns out the signal was the Austrian entry in the Eurovision Song Contest, and the TARDIS couldn't hack its awfulness. The Doctor finds Terry Wogan staggering around outside a pub, drunk as fuck, and takes him as a one-episode companion, and together they foil a plot by some grungy Finland 'singers' who dress up as monsters. But ACTUALLY they really are MONSTERS who are planning to use their song lyrics during the Eurovision telebroadcast to hypnotise all of Europe. <p> Of course its RTD, so it HAS to be crazy large scale... as in end of the world every week. But of course, NOBODY watches the eurovision song contest, so the plan fails. But Terry Wogan wants to live forever, so he looks into the heart of the Tardis, kills the doctor... and the Tardis disapears, leaving the entire of Europe rubbing their eyes as they watch it unfold on the TV. The Doctor dies, to the music of the Maltese entry. <P> Series 5... Moffat has to write the new adventure of 'Doctor Wogan'. Maybe Gabby Roslin as a companion, as they travel around the galaxy making sarcastic comments about other life forms and complaining about how awful the languages and music of other planets sound. <p> And you guys think I'm kidding. <p> Remember when the Titanic flew over London. And the Queen came out and thanked the Doctor.

  • May 24, 2008, 7:54 a.m. CST

    and Spud... I totally agree about the

    by Seph_J

    Runaway Bride TARDIS/Taxi scene... fucking brilliantly done. Gave me Doctor Who chills. <p> Still waiting for the music cue from that scene to get released.

  • May 24, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Going off-topic again............

    by axcel1

    Anyone over in the UK hear of a movie called Captain Eager And The Mark Of Voth? It's a UK Sci-Fi movie.

  • May 24, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Davros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by carefulsilly

    He's back then! Oh that trailer gave me shivers!

  • May 24, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Trailer????? What trailer?

    by axcel1

    Is that a trailer for the second half of season 4?

  • May 24, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    carefulsilly.... eh what?

    by Seph_J

    Elaborate?

  • May 24, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    No New Who This Weekend...

    by Kelvington

    There's no new Who this week, so I thought I would give you a mashup coming attraction for "City Of Daleks".<P><P>You can find it here -<P><P> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfINGHnZbRA

  • May 24, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    by carefulsilly

    If you check out the BBC website the NEW trailer for the rest of the season is up. It was broadcast on BBC 1 tonight after 'I'll do anything.' And you get to see a shadowy half Dalek...

  • May 24, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Trailer

    by carefulsilly

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/s4/videos/ 46 seconds in - turn your contrast up! And there he is...

  • May 24, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Any chance you wonderful UK Doctor Who Fans can............

    by axcel1

    make that trailer available to your fellow Doctor Who fans in the USA and, of cause, other countries? The BBC website only allows the UK to see it. As we say in America, pretty please, with sugar on it?

  • May 24, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    WOW!

    by spud mcspud

    DAVROS IS BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!<P> EASILY the coolest thing about the Daleks. Can't fucking wait! I could, however, give a shit about Rose. I know breaking the walls down between universe is to allow the Daleks and Cybermen (the press in the UK is reporting rusty Cybermen in the Christmas special, but who knows how true THAT will turn out to be...) back into the Who universe, but Rose too? Takes all the hard-won drama out of that fantastic tearful goodbye sequence in Norway at the end of DOOMSDAY. Rose the Dalek Slayer? Stranger things have happened...

  • May 25, 2008, 1:47 a.m. CST

    carefulsillly thanks!

    by Seph_J

  • May 25, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Here ya go, Axcel1...

    by Dasinfogod

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZTQ1MD4OjM

  • May 25, 2008, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the effort, Guys, but........

    by axcel1

    The YouTube video is not available or blocked, but, no prob, someone was nice and put on the big T. So, does this mean that the Daleks & Cybermen bust out and Rose and company have to come back to this Universe to stop them? And, will the central theme of the 4 "Bank Holiday Specials" be cleaning up the mess from the season 4 finale? Also, any idea when the 2 middle 2009 specials will air? (the 1st and 4th being the xmas specials.)

  • May 25, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Trailer

    by DimensionsPlural

    Definitely Davros in the shadows, nice that they've updated his bas to the new gold design. Nice job with the glowing third eye, can't wait to see what they've done with his face. Would love to see a proper nuclear-accident-melty mess of a face, bit like the new Two-Face, maybe a bit scary for kids tho. Looks to be an awesone finish to an amazing season. Oh, and we were right about the disappearing planets being the story arc...

  • May 25, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Aaaagh!!!

    by the grev

    Why oh why oh why is everyone on here obsessed with predicting who the New Doctor will be after Tennant leaves? Firstly it's pure speculation that Tennant's leaving in the first place. Secondly, who on here would have predicted that when Eccleston left the new Doctor Who would have been David Tennant? Most people had never even heard of him!! Just name checking your favourite actor on here is no better than the tabloids claiming Laurence LLewelyn Bowen was going to get the gig!

  • May 25, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    the grev, I agree with you 100%

    by axcel1

    Good God, unless someone out there knows for sure that David Tennant is leaving the show, (Like if you lived next door to him.) stop the craziness, please!!! Come on guys, let's get back to what this Talkback is all about, RTD hatred, yessssss!!!!! Guys, get the angry mob together and get out the torches and pitchforks, march to his castle and tar and feather him. Then ride him out on a rail. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. Come on, what's taking you guys so long?

  • May 25, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Oh, one thing I should tell you..........

    by axcel1

    I can't be part of your angry mob, I don't share your hatred for RTD, sorry guys, but, as I have said in earlier Talkbacks, I don't know what all of you are talking about. I have enjoyed every episode of every season. But, don't let me stop you from marching to his castle with your torches and pitchforks, if you must, you must. 'Nuff said.

  • May 25, 2008, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Respect where it's due

    by the grev

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - without RTD Who would never have been recommissioned. He was the only one in the right place at the right time with enough clout to even get Who discussed, let alone recommissioned. And what thanks does he get? You lot cheering his departure because you want a 'darker' Who - despite the fact you all know fucking well that Who is primarily a kids show - and that Moffet is going to deliver a hardcore Who to please you, alienate the core audience and get the fucking show cancelled. For fucks sake grow up!

  • May 26, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    the grev

    by spud mcspud

    I'd agree with you, except that Paul W S Anderson nearly got a Who series made back in 1999 off the back of the (admittedly lukewarm) interest the US had in Who after that risible TV movie. Granted, it never came to anything, but think: if a PAUL W FUCKING S ANDERSON Who movie can ALMOST get made, it's not the score of the century getting the gig for Who, is it? They ALMOST gave it to the second worst director* EVER!<P> He was the only person moderately talented enough to get it made in the current Beeb climate, with the bodget they offered, in the timeframe they wanted. It could have easily gone the other way. And while we're feting the great RTD for getting Who going again, just think: he also gave us farting baby-faced aliens, the gay agenda, plot holes you could pilot a Star Destroyer through, and the worst Master EVER. Not to mention that fucking awful Dobby the Time Elf / Peter Pan ending to Season 3. RTD isn't only the best thing to happen to Who - he's also arguably the worst. *After Sir Uwe Boll, obviously.

  • May 26, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Budget - not bodget!

    by spud mcspud

    Although, looking at some of the sets this season (yes, DOCTOR'S DAUGHTER, we're looking at you...)

  • May 26, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Sci-fi plot holes

    by the grev

    Plot holes are part of the territory when it comes to sci-fi series. They're full of 'em!! Even great ones like BSG have them - the idea that the Cylons have absolutely no idea what the remaining Cylon models look like is one of the dumbest plot holes ever ever ever, with knobs on. Lo and behold, every time one of the crew is revealed to be a cylon agent, suddenly hordes of them can be seen wandering about in background shots of Caprica. Where were they before - hiding in the cupboards? Ha!

  • May 26, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Sci-fi plot holes

    by the grev

    Makes for an interesting topic though - the biggest sci-fi plot holes of all time??? (not including Lost, coz when that's finally resolved it'll leave more plot holes than the rest of Sci-fi put together!)

  • the grev, the voice of reason, and, spud mcspud, you know, I was going to ask you something that you may have found insulting and, I don't want to do that. I will only say that you have the right to your opinion, just like me and everyone else. I will also say that I hope you enjoy the next episode of Doctor Who, I already know I will.

  • May 26, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Trailer

    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    I caught the trailer for the rest of the season tonight. Looks good don't it? I was pleased to see the upcoming Moffat story looks a hell of a lot better than the trailer at the end of last week's episode made it out to be.

  • May 27, 2008, 7:04 a.m. CST

    axcel1

    by spud mcspud

    Don't worry about it - it takes a lot on here to make me offended. You kind of have to have the hide of a rhino to post on an AICN TB!<P> Thanks for the courtesy, it's very appreciated - but feel free to ask me anyway, I won't be offended. I do agree that grev seems to be the voice of reason on here - and the Cylon thing had me howling with laughter, 'cos he's ABSOUTELY RIGHT! - and I am CERTAIN I'll enjoy the next episode of Who - been w3aiting for this one all season! Glad you're loving it though, and I hope the rest of the season continues to do it for you. Personally, am hoping for the return of... DAAAAVROOOOOOS!!!

  • May 27, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    the grev

    by spud mcspud

    Damn good point about the Cylons - I can kind of understand why some identities may be shrouded from other Cylons (plausible deniability - if the "known" Cylons in the human population don't know who the "deep cover" Cylons are, they're less likely to blow their cover by recognising them, treating them differently. However...<P> You're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about the sudden huge populations of "deep cover" Cylons suddenly wandering all over the Basestars and New Caprica that only appear wen said deep cover Cylon has finally been identified! Ha! I do still love BSG just for the much-needed gravitas that it has, and I love the super-serious approach it has taken. Not that I think this should be applied to Who - Who is a kids' show, and really we should have had an adult SF show in TORCHWOOD, long may it show us all how NOT to do adult SF in the UK - I think Who just needs to obey its own rules a little more, pay attention to its own mythology more, and check its scripts for plot holes BEFORE making the show! As kids' shows tend to have more simplistic scripts than the likes of BSG (which still doesn't let them off the Cylon gaffe you pointed out - it's their hubris that let that one slip the net!) they should be easier to vet for lapses in logic. I also second what you say about LOST - the ending is likely to kick ass and suck ass simultaneously! Not to want to reveal any spoilers, but at the end of the most recent episode of LOST, what Jacob tells Locke he must do...<P> HOW THE HELL DO YOU DO THAT?<P> I, for one, can't wait to see how they get out of the corners they keep writing themselves into in LOST. And it'l be fantastic if they go with the "it was all inside a snowglobe" or the "Dark City" ending, both of which would be hilarious... :D

  • May 27, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    I just like a he setting of a mood through images

    by CrichtonAstronut

    like in Blink. There was almsost no FX in that just shots of statues and rainy days and it wass brilliant. Dark City had a lot of that too and it made the big FX shots when they came that much better. Worked in Jekyll too. Very effective sense of style there, very few FX. Just a thought I had thinking about Death Note and watching Blink.

  • May 27, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Blink was superbly directed

    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    We rightly give a lot of credit to Steven Moffat for his script to Blink, but it was also I think the best directed episode of new-Who there's been so far. At no point do you ever see any of the statues physically move. We only know they move because they appeared in different places and positions from one second to the next. So to make those monsters seem scary without showing them actually move was a fantastic piece of directing. <p>Hettie Macdonald was the director. They should give her another ep to do.

  • May 27, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Definitely. She should get much more to do after

    by CrichtonAstronut

    that fantastic job. Every building and hot had a wonderfully gothic feel.

  • May 27, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Still looking forward to Silence in the Library

    by CrichtonAstronut

  • May 27, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Love the one where Sally blinks at the police station

    by CrichtonAstronut

    and the angels that were on the building next door were gon. Then the cmera zooms back from the outside of the police station and their at the window on either side of her.

  • May 27, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    and the pan to show time slip.

    by CrichtonAstronut

  • May 28, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Gaiman? Shearman?

    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    There are rumours abound that Steven Moffat has already begun work on his first season in charge by asking Neil Gaiman to write an episode. Lordy let this be true! <p>Moffat has also supposedly been in contact with Rob Shearman, who wrote the excellent 'Dalek' in season one before a falling out with RTD, and so there's a chance he'll return to Who in 2010. <p>Great times ahead eh?

  • The next 2 episodes of Doctor Who will be PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!! Who out there say no way????? No one!!!!!!!