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Two reviews of the "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" series finale !!!
Glen here...
...with two reviews from the long-awaited series finale of Star Trek: Deep Space
Nine.
The first review comes from web presence extrodinaire LEE WHITESIDE (HREF="http://www.goodnet.com/~leew/sftv/sftv.html">CLICK HERE to access his site).
Lee just attended a special screening of the DS9 series finale at The Museum of Radio
and Television in Los Angeles. His initial review contained some fascinating comparisons and
contrasts between this episode's script - and what actually ended up in the final cut.
In standing with Coaxial's "no spoilage" policy for this finale (don't complain, it won't make a
difference) - I've decided to print only Lee's general impression upon seeing the finale.
I will likely run Lee's "things that changed" list...and mine as well...as a Talkback entry in the
Reader Reaction that will be opened for the finale early next weekend. So, if you're interested in
the evolution of the finale from script to screen - be sure to check out those Talkbacks.
Lee wrote:
I just got back from the DS9
finale screening at the Museum of Radio & Television in LA.
They had a good
turnout of main cast members (more than we expected, actually). Present
were Rick Berman, Ira Stephen Behr, Avery Brooks, Rene A., Armin
Shimmerman,
Alexander Siddig, Nana Visitor, Michael Dorn and Nicole deBoer. They all
took questions after the screening.
Also in attendance in the audience
were
a good number of the writing/production staff, most of whom are in the
crowd
during the scene in Vic's in the finale. It was fun to play "spot the
writer", especially with most of them sitting in front of us.
It was
also a
very good quality video presenation at the Museum, maybe even from a
digital
master. During some of the scenes on The Defiant, you could made out
some
of the detail on the ship's plaque in the background.
Overall, I think it comes off well. There's definitely closure but with
the
opportunity to continue on in some fashion down the road. There's
definitely some similarity to the way Babylon 5 ended, but almost any
show in that type of setting would have similar things happen.
There's a good
amount of humor in it as well, which lightens the mood when it needs it
in most cases. If you've been watching the show for 7 years and feel you
know these characters, you'll more than likely need a tissue in a few spots.
My good friend TheKJB just posted a review of the series finale at his HREF="http://www.backstage-pass.com">Backstage Pass website. You can HREF="http://www.backstage-pass.com/ds9finale.htm">CLICK HERE to access KJB's
review directly (it's pretty light on the spoilers, by the way).
As far as my review of the Deep Space Nine series finale? As far as I know, it
ain't gonna happen - don't think I'm getting a copy in hand soon enough. None the less, I will
happily be printing any (substantive) reviews of the DS9 finale thoughout the coming week.
So, if you've seen it and have something you'd like to say about it - send your comments to the
e-mail link(s) provided below!
More to come as the countdown marches on...
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For a show that was never given much of a chance by many, Deep Space 9 has blossomed into one of the better sci-fi shows on tv right now. I only hope that the finale can live up to the expectations held by many who have enjoyed this show for the past 7 years, and that we are able to see these characters again. I myself cannot wait to see it.
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I dunno, I was kinda disappointed with this last episode. Over 7 years, Quark was developed as a "different" Ferengi who was sensible and reasonable when it came to the demands of people beneath him. His compassion always surpassed his greed. Take the episode where Brundt tricked him into selling his body. Quark made the sensible decision not to kill himself just because he was a Ferengi. Not only does this episode show that Quark hasn't come anywhere over 7 years, it also shows that most Ferengi HAD developed to become a very caring, ungreedy people. This episode only served to UNdevelop Quark's character. The part where OBrien walked past the elevator was brilliant though.
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I liked what I saw in Quark in this episode. He's probably the most complex character in all of Star Trek, and it's not even because of a conflict with some "half-breed" origin, though ideologically he has become half-bred. His gut instinct has always been to uphold the Ferengi pursuit of the all mighty latinum. Being away from his homeworld, and surrounded by the Federation, he has had to compromise his principals. But you do things differently on DS9 than you do on the Ferengi home world. Now he learns that the rules of acquisition were turned upside down. The planet he has been away from for too long isn
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Well, I saw and taped the finale. I have to say that there were some parts that I *really* liked and some parts that just dragged... on.... so..... long....
There were the sentimental parts that played well and sentimental parts that had my wife (when I played the tape for her) saying "get on with it!!".
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Why did Terry Farrell (Jadzia Dax) leave DS9 at the end?
I think that was a bad career move since she (Jadzia Dax) can't appear in any future DS9 movies/projects.
Does anyone know why she left the show near/during the last season? -
May 31, 1999 11:56:30 AM CDT
Terry Farrell left because she couldn't take much more of kissin
by jimmer72
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Since Star Trek has been on a decline just like everything else that is creative in any arts area since about 1991 (Star Trek 6 was the last good movie, and not just because it had the original cast), this show had some good strengths and good characters. Unfortunately, I will not be nearly as sad to see this show go as I did when TNG went off the air. Now THAT was an event. Can you really imagine watching repeats of this show? Or Voyager? I never have and I never will.
The scary thought is this: Now the only Star Trek that is going to be around for a while is Voyager. I guess I'll be the first to officially say what had been unofficially happening for several years: Star Trek is dead. It has been dying a slow, painful death of political correctness, watered-down mediocrity, and having the same handful of writers do EVERYTHING including the movies. Berman and Piller have been lazy, selfish, and stupid not to allow anyone else have a hand in producing and writing TNG movies, and God, does it show! Let Nimoy and Shatner have another crack at it. How about bringing back Nicholas Meyer and Harve Bennet. Bring back some fresh talent that know how to make MOVIES! For whatever reputation he may have, I have to hand it to William Shatner: The guy can tell a hell of a yarn, and loves Star Trek. So does Leonard Nimoy. Read Shatner's Star Trek books and see the care and reverence given to ALL of Star Trek and its characters. It's sad that I have to wait for a book to come out every few years and look forward to it like I used to the movies, but that is because Shatner has truly continued the ongoing, exciting, important saga of Star Trek as a whole, not the glorified soap opera that Star Trek has been over the past several years.
Here's my ultimatum to Berman et al: If you all are getting tired of what you are doing, admit it, and hand the job over to someone who cares. Making a buck isn't a bad thing, but it's clear that all you all are in it for is to choke every last breath out of that bloated cash cow. I feel like TPM was produced by these guys! Do Star Trek a favor: If you are tired or what not, leave. Let it sit for a few years, then some new blood should come in and resurrect this thing right, even if it means going back and fixing up some continuity errors. I would start by negating the events of Generations and everything after that. I would leave Ds9's events and Voyager's relatively unchanged with the certain obvious exceptions that would be effected by the movies.
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I have to agree on W.Shatner novels being good.They might contain plotholes the size of a Borg cube but Shatner more than compensates for that in style,excitement and the Original Series atmosphere.Kirk might've been resurrected for financial reasons but his return was far more impressive than his on- screen demise.I also liked what Shatner did with ST 5.I'd sure welcome another original cast movie...
Not that there's much wrong with DS9.It's as original as a spin- off of a spin-off can get.And it's going out in style.
The only thing in Trek that needs saving is Voyager.It might have been watchable as a spin-off of the Original Series back in the 80's,since Voyager seems to inherit much from the TOS.But,being an inheritor of Next Generation and DS9,Voyager (as it is now) needs some serious re-thinking.
P.S. Played "Birth of the Federation" recently - I'm not an expert in strategy games but it looked good to me.The possibility of turning the Federation into an evil empire is definitely interesting, as is all of that Cardassian and Romulan politics and espionage and the 3d battles... -
I have very conflicted feelings about this episode, as with the whole series. I was surprised how similar the tone (and the music!) of the last half hour was to B5's "Sleeping in the Light"
I liked the parallels between how people left and how they first entered, although I think I would have prefered it to be even more blatent, so that you could look at the scenes side by side. I think there were some great opportunities that were lost.
I've never been a fan of mass battles in Trek - it goes against the spirit of individual heroism of the franchise. The Wolf 359 scene at the start of the series was so impressive because it was a moment we knew a lot about. The numerous references throughout TNG to the battle made it a mythic event in trek lore. Now, seeing a dozen Federation ships go down in flames, no matter how flashy and well-visualized, does nothing for me. We've seen so many, and no stories come out of them, so they no longer hold any meaning.
The rather jarringly sudden Bajor finale left me thinking "Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty!" (well, OK, the parallel only go so far).
I think I'll miss "plain and simple" Garak the most :)
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Over all, I enjoyed the show and am a little sad to see it go. As one of the reviews said, the end of the Emmisary/Pa' Wraith plot felt tacked on and poorly done. One part of this show/season that my family especially disliked is the Vic Fontane lounge singer holoprogram, can anyoner tell me why he was there?
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not the best DS9, not by a friggin' long shot (any number of 3rd to 5th season episode beats it easy), very sentimental at the end and a few borring "epic space battle" at the beginning. The humour was rather good (even Dukat gets in a jibe before he makes a Kin Win-B-Q) but aside from a pretty cool fight between Dukat & Sisko (that was WAYYYYY too short. They shoulda edited stuff before and gave the 'final battle' more punch). All in all, DS9 is off the air *shrug* this season kinda blew, anyway. (PS- Last shot is really epic, though)
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... this series ended. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Trek fan and all, and for a while I thought DS9 ruled (the middle years, basically). But the last two years have just been painful - what a fall from grace. Now we're left with Voyager, which has never reached DS9's better eps, and never will. Paramount needs to re-invent ST the way that ST:TNG did over TOS. Jump another 75 years into the future with a new Enterprise. As they did before, discard all the stuff in the current series that comes off as naive or boring, and give another new vision of the future. As others here have said, the franchise has been dying a long, slow death. Time for a new incarnation.
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Unlike many of the posters here, DS9 was one of my top two favourite shows (The X-Files being the other) and was my favourite Star Trek series. I saw the finale on a big screen at the special showing in Toronto and wasn't disappointed, though was a little distressed to be seen in public with tears running down my face. I'll miss it.
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...David Caruso told her that it was the best career move she could make.
DC is currently teaching other stars his new course in career management. Benjamin Bratt is a recent alumni. -
I've not seen the DS9 finale yet, but I do anticipate it eagerly (how's that for split infinitives?). I'll admit I spent the first three seasons bitching about the lack of continuity, the episodic nature of the show and the poor writing, but once they latched on to the story arc idea (all hail Bab. 5 for getting that going in American sci-fi) the show really improved and started to hold my interest. I was sorely disappointed to see Terry Ferrel leave, but she's got a career to tend to. I will miss the show, but eventually you've got to run out of Weyouns.
It occured to me that it might be interesting to see that Ben Sisko's alter ego had actually written the finale to his Deep Space 9 pulp stories and moved on with his life, or was reading them to his grandchildren (it could reasonably include a look forward as to what fates befell the characters). Fanboy woolgathering, take it for nothing more.
Cheers.
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The best part of this episode was the irony of Quark's statement that he will surrender profit (position) in order to defend Ferengi values (greed). The statement is indicative of how much he has changed.
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I must defend the honor of one of my favorite shows--the much maligned Star Trek Voyager. I would argue that the 97-98 season was some of the best Trek ever and the season just past was almost as good (some of the stories seemed to wrap up a little too quickly this season for my taste). The storytelling has been first rate and they've done a good job of incorporating the sort of slice-of-life stuff about the crew that often seemed forced on Next Gen (Data & Spot, for instance). Sure there are a few weak links in the cast and they haven't done a great job of highlighting every crewmember (how 'bout a few more Tuvok stories and a few less Doctor & Seven stories, guys?) Sure the first season of Voyager was bad but so was the first season of DS9 (many of the episodes played like Murder She Wrote in space in those early days). And ofcourse the first season of Next Gen was atrocious. I think the last two seasons of Voyager hold up well against the best of TNG (and will hold up well in syndication). I think Trek producers have learned their lessons from the other series and have created good backstories (not to mention cool time travel stories) for the characters and an interesting universe around them. I think some of the people who dislike Voyager either haven't watched it since the first season or are upset by the gratuitous over-reliance on the sex appeal of Seven of Nine. Regardless, they're missing out on some great science fiction storytelling. Watch it in reruns this summer. It's the only Trek left... and it's good Trek.
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When I got done watching this bxtch my ass had one thought. The ninjas in charge of DS9 must have pitched a 1 1/2 hour finale. But when they were working on it they forgot they had this whole Prophet thing to take care of so they tacked on another 10 minutes with a crapy ass ending to that story. The first 1 1/2 hours was some good shxt. Seeing motherfxckers blown to hell in the space battles and seeing ninjas on Cardassia get vaporiezed by the dominion cuz they biggots was da shxt bxtch! The way the founders turned around in like 10 seconds of linking with Odo was lame shxt too, that shxt looked like it was just slapped in there with no forethough. Otherwise bring your bxtches and hoes and Faygo and watch this bxtch motherfxcka!!!
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I watched the finale of DSN
last night and I MUST say that
I'm little disappointed.Most of the battle scenes were older
stock footage that we've
seen before and when they
arrived at Carassia for the final
battle,they didn't show ANY of
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WGN shows DS9 in Chicago and usually they are great at showing DS9 arround the cubs games.
But this time they FUpd.
Instead of showing the finale as one 2 hour event. Its getting show a week apart as a 2 part episode!! AAAAAAAAHHHHHGGGG!
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They are good? Have we been reading different books? They are pathetic, Kirk-deifying garbage. A pathetitc cry for help from a man who can't won't accept that his chubby, bald character is gone. Note to Bill: Kirk is dead. Grab the reigns and deal with it.
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May I simply quote this week's TV Guide? --- "When we look back on this franchise in the future - and we will - DS9 will be considered the best acted, written, produced and altogether finest of the four Trek series. There, we said it."
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I've always been a fan of Deep Space 9 - I was thrilled to see the arc develope even if it didn't do it with enough mystery. DS9 took what many folk thought was a disadvantage (how many times have we heard, "it's a space station - it doesn't GO anywhere?) and turned it into an advantage by creating a central location where politics and personalities could gather. It was always best when dealing with the characters and then with it's mythology/arc... With that said, sigh, I can only say the series finale was pretty tepid. The Dominion War ends and Carsassia gets it pretty bad - but , well, I didn't much care. I thought the Cardassians were great enemies and I should have felt for their plight... but the writing or editing or whatever just didn't do it for me. So it all kind of ended abruptly... and but that was nothing comapred to the tacked on "hey waitasecond" end of the Emissary plotline. Was it just me or shouldn't there have been something that tied the two storylines together? Somehow? Oh well. As to the leavetaking scenes - well, I wasn't a big fan of the "it took 'em three or four episodes for everyone to leave" finale of Babylon 5 - but I think I prefer that to this episodes' "it took everyone 5 seconds to leave and about ten minutes of memory clips" routine. Not enough emotion despite the best efforts. Only thing I can say that I really liked was the uncertainty of how it was going to end for each character, or for the war itself. It wasn't a fitting conclusion, unfortunately. Oh well - at least Voyager is a go for 2 more seasons... if they can just keep up the qauality from this season (I'm not crossing my fingers).
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It is 1:39 a.m., Sunday morning, June 6, 1999, Austin, Texas and this is no more Star Trek on free T.V.
Our local FOX station boardcast the finale at 11:35 on Saturday night. All two hours (and I am grateful it was shown all at once). Knowing this was the final season, I have been staying home a lot on Saturday night to watch this last season. It has been great.
But not without flaws. I hate Vic Fontaine and I hated his song. I wanted a long "beauty" shot of the armada to Cardassia. I wanted to see the Romulans, Klingons, Federation and other ships for a bit - no a quick shot. And I wanted to see the Romulans take a bigger part in the action and the story.
I guess, I just want more.
There is a U.P.N. station here is Austin but it is a local power sucky station that depends on cable. I can't have cable - I get addicted and I don't do anything else.
So there is no more Star Trek on free T.V.
And I'm hoping Nana Visitor - I loved many of the actors on this series - but she has a special place in my heart. I hope she finds a long and busy career in the future.
And truthful, I have loved DS9 for a long time but I have been resigned that it became a war movie these last years. This is *not* Roddenberry's vision for Star Trek. Star Trek was never might to be a war movie. I hope future Trek shows move away from the big wars and find writers who can find tension, intensity, and passion with having the worlds at war.
Goodbye, DS9.
I wish I could rest in the Celestial Temple.
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