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I'll give it a few episodes.
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and cheap. I hope it's just me. Angel is my favorite show of all time.
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minus maybe the initial medieval type style. But otherwise, bring it on. I'm in.
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I'm wondering how he will be able to get us to care about people who have no personalities of their own. The actors playing the "dolls" have their work cut out for them.
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Anyone else notice that after the scene where the guys point the gun at her, the part where she's hitting someone is a clip from Buffy? You can tell she's hitting Buffy.
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Almost went through a whole day without a Dollhouse post
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Since Joss doesn't seem that into this, and since the show will probably be good, but not great...
It will run for at least three times as long as Firefly. I think even Whedon will eventually comment on how the universe does this... When you don't really give a shit, things seem to work out that way for some reason. -
A version with better music, better titles and no cheap buffycuts is up at: http://www.dollverse.com/trailer/
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I think the idea is that from the pilot onward, they start developing personalities of their own, which the masterminds of the project weren't anticipating. So as the show goes on, the more personality each one will develop.
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How come we're always the ones who have to explain the plot?
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I wonder how long this show will last.
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This looks like fun.
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you guys just sound so much better doing it.
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I like most of Whedon's stuff too.
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SO I will give this a go.
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totally.
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This isn't the final version of the trailer, there are a lot of placeholder shots. Follow sparkmark's link for the final (buffy and papyrus-less) trailer.
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you shoulda posted both together...and this does look extremely whedonesque....and dushku gets to wear tight clothes and be bad ass...so i will watch the first epi
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Delete the Victor and Sierra "Actives." They exhibit zero charisma. Go with Echo as an "Alias" type heroine.
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There the inhabitants kept being implanted with new identities in a search for the human soul... that which would resist being rewritten, the basis of individuality that keeps us from being interchangeable. I always thought that was a really cool premise, so I'm curious to see what they do with this.
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so excited for next year's programming, pretty much all around. With Dusku, Helo and Whedon, this is top of my list though. I think it looks fantastically intriguing. Here's hoping it lives up and gets good ratings.
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Dig the British chick, dig Amy Acker, dig Clayton Rohner but this looks uninspired, like Quantum Leap or something. Eliza D is pretty awful too, isn't she?
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This looks more interesting than the Fringe 'trailer' but they both look promising.
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"Fringe" looks like it has a bigger budget, and it's definitely flashier with cooler images and FX, but this just looks more INTERESTING. This looks like there's an actual, long-arc of story to be told here. The "Fringe" trailer looks like it's advertising the story of the 1st episode, like there's no real story to the series.
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A Joss Whedon show with a thin chick who can kick anyone's ass. Wow! I haven't seen him do that before...
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I am still going to give this show a chance, but that trailer was sooo boring. Wow.
The Fringe trailer was pretty sweet though.
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I hate the sets, the line readings, the snarky attitude, the dialogue, the actors, the music. Everything feels like it was sprayed with liquid shit. And I'm usually such a positive person.
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Hopefully they will let it run for a while before pulling the plug this time. I can see it has potential to go in lots of directions after setting the scene for a while
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Maybe it will deliver anyway.
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Um, what the heck gave you that idea? Every interview, Joss has exuded quite the opposite. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would do anything he's 'not that into.' This brought him back to tv after the Firefly heartbreak, so that says something.
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my 2 favorite lines. Saw this clip last week, by the way. Without the Spanish subtitles. So far, my favorite is Olivia Williams. Hot and British. With great line readings.
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joss has been directed a bunch of TV in the meantime. Though yeah this is him returning to running a whole show.
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I am curious about which other writers are joining Joss on this series? Drew and or Jane have to be coming along too right?
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about the 'dolls' being boring because they don't have personalities... I think one of the themes of the show might be that you can't change the personality or essence of a person regardless of how many times you can wipe their memories.
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Needs some Adam Baldwin. Eliza + shower scene is a welcome development though.
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only Olivia Williams looks like she's really trying to make this work... everyone else looks like they're in a Buffy-esque sitcom
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2 min trailer and everyone already knows everything, watch the first episode and then complain....fucking geeks.
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this is officially my most anticipated show of next season. 2nd is fringe.
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I don't know about other Whedonverse writers, but we know Tim Minear's on board, along with Sarah Fain & Elizabeth Craft. I've heard that Fain & Craft my end up being the long-term showrunners, and I'm not sure how I feel about that. I mean, I enjoyed some of their Angel episodes just fine, and I know they also wrote/produced for the Shield, but I'm not sure how much experience they have for this kind of thing. Jane's still on Battlestar, and probably will be for most of Dollhouse's first season (since they're shooting them all at once, being a mid-season replacement). Maybe she'll come on next season, but I'm not sure I want her to - I wouldn't want to see "Jane's comedy hour" episodes with this show. And I know she can do serious stuff, too (hello, BSG), but with Joss shows, her history is in doing the comedic eps. Oh well, I wouldn't object if he brought her on. I'm sure she could match Dollhouse's tone if she wanted. As for Drew, I think he's pretty attached to JJ and Bad Robot these days. I'm wondering about David Greenwalt. As far as I know, he's got nothing on his plate, and I think he'd be a welcome addition to "Dollhouse."
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because the received pronounciation British accent signifies gravitas, authority, class and wisdom.
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I enjoy Fain and Craft's work quite a bit and getting Greenwalt wouldn't be a bad pick-up at all for this show.
I loved Jane's funnier episodes of Buffy and I was pleasently surprised how well she was able to handle more dramatic stuff with BSG so here's hoping somewhere down the line she can climb on board with this series.
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It's quite different from what I was expecting, but different in a good way.
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but it still looks like shit.
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..that looked way way better than I had expected. This and Fringe are gonna be around for a long time.
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I like the premise, Eliza, Tahmoh Penikett (Helo from BSG), and the overall look of the show. It's a great science fiction backdrop, so I'm hopeful Whedon can go somewhere interesting with it. I'll tune in for the premiere.
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How great Firefly season 2 would be. Why oh why can't his new project be that instead of this?
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At least enough to make me watch the first few eps. Still a bit wary after being burned on Firefly and Drive though.
Is it just me, or was this the millionth trailer to use that Massive Attack song? -
Too bad, it looks interesting
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I think Joss should present one of his sci-fi's to the Sci Fi Channel...... I'm sure they'd at least give him a season flyer...i mean they gave flash gordon a whole season. Granted not sure if Sci-fi Channel has that big of a budget..well maybe after Battlestar Galactica is done.
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If Whedon wants to be successful, why doesn't he just bring back "Buffy" and/or "Angel?" This won't last four episodes, sadly. And "Fringe?" Jeez, another J.J. Abrams show that'll ask more questions then it answers. God, is there any reason the TV-viewing public eats up pablum like "CSI" and "Law and Order?"
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eh cancels shows and doesn't afraid of anything
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Now that's a good idea. I'd even settle for a Bewiitched-style sitcom starring Illyria.
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I guess all the critical acclaim and fans must mean his stuff is poor. Or wait... how would that work? I know it's just your opinion; just seems pretty dismissive given his track record.
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Version 2 / Higher Quality.
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And I totally agree about BKV. I'm behind on Season 8, but his arc has been my favorite of what I've read so far. He really should be brought on board for this.
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Why does it put gaps in URL?
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Between this, Fringe, TSCC, Fox seems to have decided to re-make a name for itself in genre programming.
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"Samantha Who" takes a similar premise but with the opposite idea. Horrible person, memory wiped becomes a better person. So is some behavior innate or is it learned?
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The best show on television, "Breaking Bad," got picked up for a second season. Joy!
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I'm quite sure that the vast majority, if not all, of the fans that have climbed oboard the Firefly 'verse since it left the air at FOX would happily (gleefuly even) tune in to sci fi for Firefly season 2 and beyond. And not many of the actors have made a big splash since leaving, and they all seemed to love the show, so probably not as much arm twisting as you might think to get them all back. Summer might be a tough one though. I'd quit watching Sarah Connor if I thought it would help. haha
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People should just accept that "Firefly" is never coming back to theaters or television. Maybe comics, but that's it. You can whine and bitch all you want about Fox hacking up its schedule, but the show's time has passed. It's dead and buried.
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He's explored the idea of erasing a person's memory (but eventually coming back to one's true identity despite this) in Buffy's "Tabula Rasa," and River Tam's abortive arc. Neither were very entertaining to me and neither were sustainable over long periods of time. Moreover, Whedon is an atheist to his very core, and people don't have souls anyway; so the seems kind of dishonest from the start. As such, I wonder if there is enough material to support an entire series. The notion of a darker conspiracy and the idea (fairly well telegraphed) this program is not entirely voluntary may add some gravitas to the show. I'll give it a shot, but I think this will last a season or so and die quietly.
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What does having a soul or not have to do with atheism? You can still wonder about souls and explore them in stories even if you don't believe in God. The whole 'soul' thing with Angel and Spike is a prime example.
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One-trick pony. Hey, maybe he'll come up with a cute bunch of buzzwords for all the characters. You know, like "antagonist" will be assigned the term "big bad" and the crew will call themselves "gilligans" or something.
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Hell network TV is a tough market and I wanted to be impressed after 2.5 minutes. Frankly I wasn't. Of course I will give it a chance but the only question for me is will it last 6 or 7 episodes before being cancelled.
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looks awful
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You're on. I give it 6 weeks. First ep scores highest rating. Exponential drop for second episode. I forsee an extra sexy third episode before a three parter that will end the series run with a Christmas episode that's actually pretty good and gives us a glimpse at what the series had the potential to be. Browncoats will unsuccessfully lobby for its return but will have to settle for the complete series on DVD for $27.99. Any other takers?
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Hasn't Joss learned his lesson?
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O_Goncho's post above is the best thing ever. You pinned Fox down in one awesome sentence. I even made an account here just to say that.
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Of course, it'll probably be so good that FOX will cancel it after 5 episodes and replace it with some neocon screaming head pundit propaganda show.
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It's like the mortality rate - no matter what happens, eventually, it's still 100%. It's just a matter of the timing and the circumstances.
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This basically looks like Buffy+Firefly+Angel. Yawn.
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Gerry Andersons speccy little kid that had spy sh*t downloaded into his brain every week
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Buffy was never canceled. It switched networks while Whedon and co. were negotiating beyond the 5th season when the WB was not offering enough $$ per episode and UPN was willing to cough up the dough. True story. Never canceled. Also, if we're going by your definition, quality = ratings. Which means Criminal Minds is the Citizen Kane of television and The Wire is the worst show out there. You might want to rethink that formula. Fantastic and original shows are canceled all the time.
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we do agree that your opinion shouldn't matter to me, as mine shouldn't to you. Different strokes.
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They should set-up the Dollhouse as a front for college dorm. All the students involved are seemingly normal kids with normal families, and they real remembered lives...but no...we discover they are Actives (programmable agents). The families they each have, and sometimes interact with a plants...all undercover agents playing a role to give cover to the Dollhouse Actives.I think that this concept would work better for the show, something the producers can quickly graduate to and alter the show's concept to be enclusive of.Imagine, instead of just being child like persons in between missions, the Actives are actually living false cover lives as college students in a campus co-ed University dorm, fully unaware that their lives as they know them are shams. With the dorm and the University culture providing cover, the Active Agents are regular programmed to take on different personalities for various secret government missions...no matter how morally gray. When Echo begins to recall that someone may have programmed her to take part in a 911 style attack against the United States...she begins to fully regain her memory.Although still programmable for missions, she always retains her base memory...something that she hides from her handlers as she begins to secretly investigate the Dollhouse program in order to learn who sent her on the secret 5th Column mission to attack the U.S.? Is there a mole within the Dollhouse secretly pulling strings behind the scenes...or is the whole organization corrupt???All this would unfold amid the backdrop of a seemingly normal college life as our heroine discovers her family is nothing but deceptive undercover agents...and perhaps even her boyfriend. Further, she begins to realize that she and the others in the program may have been kidnapped as children to service the program. Her whole life a lie, she seeks to secretly find her real family while covertly searching for the secrets needed to bring down the Dollhouse.My reworking of the concept just sounds better to me and playes better in my head. If you guys at Fox want to pay me for it...I'm open to the idea!!!
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May 19, 2008 3:42:45 PM CDT
Amended: Here Is My Reworking Of The Dollhouse Concept!!!
by media messiah
They should set-up the Dollhouse as a front for a college dorm. All the students involved are seemingly normal kids with normal families, and they have real remembered lives...but no...we discover they are Actives (programmable agents). The families they each have, and sometimes interact with are plants...all undercover agents playing a role to give cover to the Dollhouse Actives.I think that this concept would work better for the show, something the producers can quickly graduate and alter the show's concept to be inclusive of.Imagine, instead of just being child like persons in between missions, the Actives are actually living false cover lives as college students in a campus co-ed University dorm, fully unaware that their lives as they know them, are shams. With the dorm and the University culture providing cover, the Active Agents are regularly programmed to take on different personalities for various secret government missions...no matter how morally gray. When Echo begins to recall that someone may have programmed her to take part in a 911 style attack against the United States...she begins to fully regain her memory.Although still programmable for missions, she always retains her base memory...something that she hides from her handlers as she begins to secretly investigate the Dollhouse program in order to learn who sent her on the secret 5th Column mission to attack the U.S.? Is there a mole within the Dollhouse secretly pulling strings behind the scenes...or is the whole organization corrupt???All this would unfold amid the backdrop of a seemingly normal college life as our heroine discovers her family members are nothing but deceptive undercover agents...and perhaps even her boyfriend. Further, she begins to realize that she and the others in the program may have been kidnapped as children to service the program. Her whole life a lie, she seeks to secretly find her real family while covertly searching for the secrets needed to bring down the Dollhouse.My reworking of the concept just sounds better to me and plays better in my head. If you guys at Fox want to pay me for it...I'm open to the idea!!!
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Even if this doesn't turn out well, a single side-shot of her incredible ass will make it all worthwhile.
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That series has been a legend for years--my brother telling me about it ever since I could remember. Lucky me, I was finally lucky enough to see an episode a few years back, this after well over a decade of hearing about the show. I was surprised by how serious the series' tone was which was refreshing as it was not dumbed down for kids. The show had tremendous foresight and The Matrix, Ed and Dollhouse have all been inspired by this 1960s gem.
That said, I look at Joss Whedon as my personal writing guru and I would love to work with him as I am a great muse. I think we would compliment each other. Show me a good or great idea...and I will show you how to make it better!!! -
That series has been a legend for years--my brother told me about it ever since I could remember. Lucky me, I was finally privileged enough to see an episode a few years back, this after well over a decade of hearing about the show. I was surprised by how serious the series' tone is, which I found/find refreshing, as it was not dumbed down for kids. The show had tremendous foresight and The Matrix, Ed and Dollhouse have all been inspired by this 1960s gem.
That said, I look at Joss Whedon as my personal writing guru and I would love to work with him as I am a great muse. I think we would compliment each other. Show me a good or great idea...and I will show you how to make it better!!! -
I remember it too. Funnily enough I mentioned it in the other Dollhouse talkback but I think I waited until everyone had stopped reading it! Ah you can't beat a good bit of Gerry Anderson, puppets, cool models and stuff blowing up. What more could you want?
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I didn't see the YouTube version before it was yanked, but found this one, which is also about 2.5 minutes:
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http://www.dollverse.com/trailer/ no space in "trailer"
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Because anything more and you'll feel sick.
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