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Is McSpaced dead? Nikki Finke sure thinks so...
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. McG's SPACED was doomed from day one. It would have had to have been phenomenal on top of hugely successful to shake any of the negativity surrounding it right now.
I don't lay all of that on McG's feet. From what I understand he always intended to include Edgar Wright, Simon Pegg and Jessica Stevenson in the process, but was advised against it in the early days of the option. If that's true, then it's a shame, but still... McG should have known better. That one little thing could have made the difference here. And from what I understand it took him over 6 months since the option to gather up the nuts to contact any of the original creators... strangely timed immediately after Moriarty's "Fuck McSpaced" article.
According to Nikki Finke at Deadline Hollywood, who has had a fantastic line on the business for years now, Fox has just turned down the pilot.
If it wasn't for Wright and Pegg's continuous statements on their displeasure for this project and the fan community surrounding them on it, would Fox have made this call? Who knows? I'd like to think it did, but not because Fox cares about fans (what they've done to their superhero and sci-fi franchises proves that), but because the series remake really is surrounded by a Pigpen-like black dust cloud of negativity.
Spaced was always made by fans for fans. That was the appeal of the show. Without the fan support I can see how unattractive the project looks.
What do you folks think?
PS Remember, producer Robert Green said this:
"i’m just so sick of all the bullshit coming out of simon and edgar’s camp directed towards McG, who has acted completely honorably all the way on this. that idiots on websites swallow that load without even having to wipe their chins surprises me not at all."
Nice. Well, maybe on the next one they'll give more of a shit about what the fans say and treat the creators of what they're trying to remake with a little more respect, no? Maybe I'm just an idiot wiping Simon and Edgar's cum off my face... (I would have included Jessica in that, but none of the remake producers ever did, so why start now?)
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spaced isnt gonna be bastardised like so many other things have been!oh and dare i say first?
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But now that it has already been shot and edited and produced and finished, now I want to see it. I don't want it to be some nagging footnote in geek lore, I want to see the damn thing, if only for trainwreck-style rubbernecking.
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McGood.
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POODING!
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Did common sense finally win over greed? Nah, just a fluke - but a good one!
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Even if she was lied to about the writers' strike ending much sooner than expected, that was a hard hit on her subsequent credibility.
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Stay dead, you bastard.
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they've squandered every cool franchise they've had with cheap hacks and cost cutting...
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Symbolic of everything that is wrong with film industry.
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If only it was true.
Mc G is Dead, Long live the Wright.
Bring on episode 3 of the Cornetto trilogy, I got wood already.
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If Fox has proved one thing over the years it's that it's totally ignorant to fan, critical, or public sentiment regarding its programming. The only reason "Family Guy" made it back was the ridiculously massive DVD sales.
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a remake was doomed from the start, having said that i was curious to see how you mericans would bastardise the fuck out of it
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I'm McFucking happy about this.
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May 11, 2008 7:48:27 AM CDT
Spot the guy who doesn't read AICN regularly on this TB!
by iammrmonkey!
Yup, it's you Mike_D!
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I can't McStop!
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This coming from the guy who thought it was funny to put an 'r' in the word testicals?Who would have thought!
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Me no understand. Me want to see original.
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cuz I've never seen it, never even heard of it until Shaun came out, and now I can't sleep or eat until I do, which means I am hallucinating...
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What does that mean to you?
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I only read two statements from Pegg and two from Wright - and that was because they kept getting asked about it. Continous bitching by the fans; sure.
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Just tickle my ass with a feather, why don't you?
For a minute, my heart skipped a beat. Thanks a lot. -
then you don't read Edgar's Blog, then...
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May 11, 2008 8:42:08 AM CDT
Nikke Finke is a scaremongering, hatemongering cunt.
by the gospel according to bastardface
I hate her attitude, her negativity, her superiority, her self-promotion, her ill-informed opinions, her voice, her face. I hate her.
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"Below average, i only got one or two laughs from it."
That says more about you than it does about the show! Never before has anyone been so wrong so spectactularly! -
May 11, 2008 9:02:33 AM CDT
The show only had 14 episodes. This is one of the few remakes th
by ev1ldead
Same stupid bitching like the time the Office US was announced.
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Some things shouldn't be messed with. Even NBC had to pass on the American version of "The I.T. Crowd", despite having the very funny Richard Aoyade as Moss in this version. At least the UK version is getting a season 3 this year...
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it is your own opinion, as spectacularly retarded and tasteless as it is..
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Bloody McHell! That's McGood News! I don't McMind the odd Oversea McRemake but this just sounded McRetarded.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but opinions can be wrong!
What we have to remember is that just because someone doesn't like something doesn't mean it sucks, it just means it is not to that persons taste.
Its fair enough you didn't like Spaced, but it was most certainly not 'below average' -
I'd love to know your nationality, just to see if it conforms with the initial justification of bastardising such a great show in the first place :D
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"TOLDJA!"
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I have to see this travesty.
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. . . It's out in 2 months and I don't see it available for preorder anywhere. What's the deal?
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I like shitty shows...
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I was totally willing to give this a try. I mean it's on TV and free, it's not like I was going to give them my money. Anyway, I'm a big fan of Spaced and cannot wait for the DVD in July.
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GOOD!
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...their cultural programming. The whole point of Spaced was that it made references to shared pop-cultural products: Star Wars, Scooby Doo, Hawk the Slayer, that ANY English speaking person born in the 70s could relate to, whether American or British. The US version of The Office completely misses the point of the original by making it a slick comedy about a buffoon without depicting offices as the soul-destroying hellholes that they are; the decisions was made that Americans can't watch critiques of their own lives; shows that provoke uncomfortable laughter by pointing the finger at the audience. Imagine Peep Show made for the US: completely cleaned up; sanitized of its constant mental cruelty, sexual nastiness, foul language and mean-spirited inner monologues. Eventually, American audiences demand closure; happiness, success and the neat marriagey endings that eventually disfigured everything: call it Friends syndrome. I am seriously starting to think that you guys get a totally distorted view of yourself from TV. Seinfeld was cruel. Please. the only show remotely close to UK levels of loathing is Curb You Enthusiasm.
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I'm English (born in Oxfordshire), and I thought Spaced was rather average. So naturally, I found the backlash against the remake (from fans and Pegg/Wright) rather baffling. Granted it must suck not to be asked to contribute a program, but the vitirol was ridiculously over the top.
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One of the most annoying, bitter people in Hollywood.
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The same kind of outrage/horror was present when NBC announced The Office remake, not to mention Fox doesn't give a shit what fans think. I always thought that the premise of Spaced was the thinnest part--guy and girl pretending to be couple to get an apartment--but the execution past the premise was magnificent and what made the show. I don't think you can translate voices and execution in a remake. I think the only way it works is to put your own spin on the project a la what they did in The Office on NBC. That show is distinctly different from the UK version, not to mention it's cast and written brilliantly. From everything I had heard, this felt like a high school production of Spaced with new kids playing the lead roles and following the original scripts with some slight tweaking. That said, I'm sure it's a sad day for everyone involved in this US version since a lot of the buzz was this show was getting picked up in spite of the internet backlash.
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It was bland, the jokes were flat and you didn't care about anyone.
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The Office is a great example of this working, but it is by far the exception and certainly not the rule.
Given the right treatment, this could have worked, but why bother? If they stick to the scripts then it is unlikely that it would be better than the original. If they don't stick to the scripts then its just another show about a bunch of friends sharing a flat and getting up to mischief - so no need to call it Spaced at all.
This could only ever be worthwhile if it stuck to the inspiration behind the original - and the way the creators were treated shows that this wasn't the intention. -
Do you mean the script to the pilot, or the original show?
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I've got enough remade shit coming my way that I'll end up watching out of morbid curiosity. It's once less piece crap on my "I'll give this a chance, maybe against all reason it's not shit" list.
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Lucky old US! 'The I.T. Crowd' is abysmal, right down there with 'Hippies' and yes, 'Coupling' too. British talkbackers have such a chip on their shoulder about British TV/Comedy, I think the novelty of being able hold forth on something *before* American talkbackers makes them lose all sense of perspective. Trying to generalise about how 'our' comedy is 'cruel' or 'dark' (therefore better and more sophisticated) is simply a waste of time, the fact of the matter is that 'Friends' (which is funny, and more mean-sprited than it appears) is really popular over here whereas Britain has tried and repeatedly failed to ape things like 'The Simpsons' ('Stressed Eric'), 'Curb Your Enthusiam' ('Lead Balloon') and, well, 'Friends' itself ('Coupling'!!!). How can you possibly pretend that Americans don't know self-loathing *and then* go on to namecheck 'Curb' and 'Seinfeld' (which is far more sucessful in the US than is over here)??? And have you ever watched 'Arrested Development' or 'The Larry Sanders Show'? Give it up, man-- we fail, they win. Even 'Dr. Who' is just 'OK'...
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I can ONLY assume based on the evidence you've presented me with...as far as SPACED not being Americanized and further McG and Fox-ized...all join me in a loud Tim Beasley "THANK FUCK!"
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It has more than enough episodes that "provoke uncomfortable laughter by pointing the finger at the audience". The Dinner Episode at Michael and Jans House as a great example. But they do more episodes in a year than Office UK in its entire run. (Most of them great.) So they can't only rely on uncomfortable laughter. This kind of humor is getting old really fast. Curb as the exception of the rule, but their is only 1 Larry David.
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It's simply godawful.
I was in college with the big Irish guy in that, Chris O Dowd; he was the worst, most poorly-disciplined, attention-seeking, shouty mugger that ever defaced a drama society. And he hasn't improved one bit. He's not fit to clean Bernard Black's shoes. -
How hard it must be to not come up with ideas of your own. How hard it must be to have to procure those ideas from the minds of others. You know those people that didn't get their jobs by taking the Producer loop holes. The one's who's resumes actually refelct the work they've done. I know a MILLION of you Robbie Green. Your day is done! We don't need you anymore.
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May 11, 2008 1:53:12 PM CDT
Arrested Development was canceled due to lack of interest.
by sepulchrave
And yet...the sheer number of episodes that the US audience demands in its programming is BOUND to suck the life out of a concept very quickly. It demands committee writing of a very high and focussed calibre, and committee writing cannot, by definition, be a work of genius. Individual vision is the driving force behind all ground-breaking art: very small groups of people. Is The Simpsons still on TV? WHY? I started watching that show in middle school and I'm 32 now. Jesus, people, let it go. It's dead. The Office IS highly competent, but it is smooth, family-friendly stuff. I don't demand sexual content and foul language in comedy but you KNOW that the world on that screen simply doesn't resemble real life situations in any way. South Park is still the best you have and, as far as I know, it's not committee written.
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...that I liked Arrested Development very much. It sounded as though I was criticizing it.
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Really, it started in the 1960s and is still going today. Humiliation is the root of all comedy. Even Aristotle knew that.
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Because wasn't fucking COUPLING than re-made INTO COUPLING in the US!?!?! What the fuck is wrong with us people...As far as the US/UK tv shows goes...both have had ALOT of misses and a few hits. Although I believe we top them in the REMAKE OF AN IMPORT category...Sanford and Son, All in the family, Three's Company..
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at McDonalds
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come on, you all know you wanna see this
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The clue is in the title! Friends was about friends.... Coupling was about couples!To be fair when I heard about Coupling I thought it was a UK version of Friends but upon seeing it it turned out to be anything but. I saw the US pilot and didn't think it was that bad TBH.
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Personally I love both. I love dark cringe inducing humour in TV shows from both US and UK deliver in spades. I have no problem with import shows or exporting... hell the more folks that see Peep Show, Black Books, Brass Eye etc etc then the better!
Its just a shame that a lot of 'our' shows get remade for US audiences, and they end up as being abysmal. Just leave them alone!
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http://tinyurl.com/5u6su5
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May 11, 2008 3:03:02 PM CDT
Now if they would cancel that "Terminator" movie he's ruining
by industrykiller!
Then the skies would clear and much rejoicing would be had.
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http://tinyurl.com/5u6su5
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graphics. Since Matt links to her quit often when something in hollywood goes wrong she plays up on it. And it seems she gets off on it too! I do know that Nikki comes from quite a bit a money and gets her kicks when a big name actor doesn't do well at the box office. And when I see her talkbacks it's coming straight from Drudge's site. It looks like Fox news watchers over there.
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And it's "just" concept art. (At least that was the last thing I've heard about it)
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viewers or listeners on her talkbacks. Ultra-rightwing motherfuckers!
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Spaced is kind of like the British TV comedy version of "Reality Bites". I'm enjoying it (three episodes in so far) but I don't see what makes it "classic" or "for geeks" -- I think there's a serious generation gap, though. I'm in my 30s, and to me, "Spaced" doesn't seem to 'click' as much as it does with mega-fans of the series.
I am glad that a shitty American version isn't getting made, though. I really wish they'd stop doing the "American version" and "British version" of shows and just release a show on both sides of the pond in original form. Why don't the American networks ever run British shows in prime time? Why do I have to tune to PBS or BBC America or MTV (in the old days) to see BBC fare here? Can't NBC work something out with the BBC? A trade? Let them have Knight Rider and we take the original Spaced on Saturday night in place of one of the dozen CSI shows? -
first place. They're the ones who listen to Rush, Hanity, O'Reilly, Beck, etc, etc, and tell them that actors are socialist commies who live in a fantasy world and know nothing about the "common folk."
Well those fucks know nothing about regular folk either. It's funny, hearing them attempting to blame the donkeys for high gas prices. It was $1.43 nation wide when W. took office. It's $3.60 here and I live in motherfucking OKlahoma! But when you put in office two oil men thats what we're gonna get. -
I really wouldnt mind wiping her cum off my face. She's smokin' hot.
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And while you're choking, if you're near somebody who knows the heimlich and has enough heart to even want to use it on you, then thank the world that you're still alive by going out and getting a real name. I still hold up my promise that I will one day rape your flaming corpse.
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I myspaced him as well as you. I didn't realize I missed one or two entries. However, in my weak defence, they are interspursed with other promotional material - so not "continuous" but "frequent" maybe?
Hairs finely split, it is still great news!! -
Rawk on!
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Fuck it up it's McArse!
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Someone will McLeak the McPilot onto McInternet, where it can be McMocked McMercilessly. And then I'll fly to Hollywood and spray diarrhea all over Robert Green's face just for sport; he can wipe THAT off his chin. What a massive wanker.
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And the I.T Crowd had its moments, especially when Matt Berry turned up as Son of Denham. "FATHHHEEEEEEER!"
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...it was just billed as 'The British Friends' in order to attract viewers. And somehow, it was even worse...
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and if you don't like it, you're wrong. And you kick puppies. And nuns. And you tempt children with sweets then touch them in wrong ways.
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and I watch far more American shows than British ones. The likes of Bones, Dexter and others too numerous to mention are far better than most of the dreck churned out over here.
Spaced, Red Dwarf, Father Ted etc. were great, and theres been virtually nothing matching their quality since. The I.T. Crowd is OK but very one note, the rest is game-shows and talent competitions...bullshit in other words. -
The Brits did it right the first time out the gate and they know their comedy. The American script was just shit and not funny. Hope this clarifies.
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..there's plenty of humorless fucks in the world..
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Pegg and Wright acted a little bit like whiny assholes? Yes, Spaced was a brilliant TV show and McG should've given them a ring. But the market will speak: if the American version sucks, it will get canceled and be an embarrassment. The American Office was surprisingly good and is still going. The American Coupling sucked, lasted less than ten episodes, and everybody laughed at it without the original creators getting all pissy about it.
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the American Re-make of Darkplace?
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I was always the loader Robert, not the "loadie".
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You can't hold it against the boys from protecting their baby. I'd do it if I was in their position. Hell most people would. And about your Coupling argument, Freakemovie... behold: “I can answer it with three letters: N-B-C. Very, very good writing team. Very, very good cast. The network fucked it up because they intervened endlessly. If you really want a job to work, don’t get Jeff Zucker’s team to come help you because they’re not funny … I think I’m entitled to say that because I think the way in which NBC slagged off the creative team on American “Coupling” after its failure was disgraceful and traitorous. So I enjoy slagging them off. That’s the end of my career in L.A. I’ll be leaving shortly.”
-- Steven Moffat, a writer and producer on the successful BBC version—and demonized NBC version—of “Coupling.” -
Just like I said in another talkback, we here have the power to make shit happen, and in this case, unhappen. Hopefully Christian Bale hears about all the crap surrounding McG and bails out (pun intended) of Terminator.
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He was a shithead for not calling back that poor bastard who wanted a date with Drew Barrymore and he's a bigger shithead for these hijinx. He's utterly talentless. Time Out said it best: the guy couldn't direct his way out of a paper bag. I was SO READY to enjoy Charlie's Angels, and that schmuck ruined everything with his flat-out BAD direction. I still haven't seen the original Spaced, but the more I hear about it the more I want to check it out.
By the way, if you guys want to see another awesome British comedy series with horror elements, check out The League of Gentlemen (NOT the Alan Moore League!!). Great, twisted stuff. -
I just hope these reports are true, that's all I have to say. I look forward to Spaced's DVD release in July!
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But I'm sure as hell glad that this version didn't get picked up...not because I didn't find the original funny, but because the creators deserved to be involved in the remake, and fans deserve to be listened to, PERIOD. McG and Robert Green can go fuck themselves for being such arrogant pricks.
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Not British. Whatever else you've got, you don't get to claim that one.
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That's all that needs to be said.
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Whichever of you posted that Two-Face thing- where'd that come from?
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Good, outside of the American Office, which was overseen by Gervais and Merchant. The Majority of US remakes are a big pile of Shit!
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of recent years have all been hidden away on late night Channel 4 or BBC Three. I’m not having the complaints that there has not been a classic British comedy in years, as the 5th series of Peep Show is airing and the criminally udnerated Benidorm (although this series has nothing on the first). And there's The Thick of It and Extras. Part of the problem is the fact that most British comedies do one or two series and don’t get repeated anywhere, i.e. – Catterick, 15 Stories High, I Am Not an Animal, Nighty Night (2nd series wasn’t that good) and so are forgotten. And Coupling was shit.
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The real problem in British TV is the drama. Channel 4 always have an interesting documentary or two but they just take the easy road and buy a new hit US show instead of making their own. The beeb and ITV are doing more than they used to as well. Compare what’s on American TV now: Lost, Battlestar Galactica, The Sopranos, 24 to Skins and all the shit on British TV. The channels need to clean their act up and get some original ideas that arnt Doctor fucking Who. Comedy seems to be the only fictional genre we still have a National Identity in.
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Spaced rocked! to think McG almost had his hands on yet ANOTHER beautiful series and turned it to crap.
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I assure you the cancellation of this has nothing whatsoever to do with reaction on AICN. Don't give yourselves so much credit; you are really not remotely as important as you believe.
This was a decision taken purely on the merits of the pilot. Your readership represent s a tiny microcosm of the overall potential viewership. Your bias has been transparent for a long time now which is why the intelligent followers abandoned your site some time ago. Check out your talkbacks these days and one is hard-pressed to find anything approximating coherent discourse.
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I'm also in my 30s, and I enjoyed The Young Ones. It's a bit of a geek thing, but it's more than that even. It's just good comedy. I'm not gonna tell you you have to like it, but myself, my wife, and even a friend of mine who is older and hates most things I show him, loved Spaced. To the point that after season 2 ended, we were both so depressed. It was such a great show, and we wanted more. But it ended the way it should have, so no real complaints. I can't wait for the DVD!!!
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Stovetop beat me to it. It's not a generation thing. How can it be? I'm in my 30's as well and was in my late 20's when "Spaced" was originally on. As the characters were in their 20's as well. I relate to it now just as much as I probably would have then. Once a geek... always a geek. Have to disagree with your comment about the likeness to "Reality Bites". ehhh.
Kudos for mention of The Young Ones. Bless Mtv for showing it back in the day. -
McI just McDiscovered a really mcKewl way to McCommunicate with McPeople! Every noun, pronoun, or verb with everything you write or say must have a "Mc" in front of it. McPeriod. After about 5 McSeconds of that McFucking McAnnoying McBullshit and fucking McNobody would ever want to be called "Mc" fucking anything ever again.It's true with a McYippe McKai McYay McMuther(McGunshot)er. McFuck this...I'm getting McConfused now. McHoly McShit! McO.McM.McF.McG.McW.McT.McF.Mc?
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No, she's the bassist you idiot.
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and how robert green could say all of that with McG's cock in HIS mouth is pretty phenomenal. fucker must have quite the jaw...
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now that was just unneccesary haha.
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Don't get me wrong. I'm glad to see that McG won't be raping this wonderful series, but I'm curious to know who they had cast in the roles of these beloved characters.
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According to imdb pro it had Will Sasso, Federico Dordei, Josh Lawson and some guy called B.J. Clinkscales.
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I can't McGet enough of the McJoke. I'm not McBeing sarcastic. I fucking McLove it. It never gets McOld to McMe. By all McMeans McKeep it McUp.
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McHonest.
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McThis is McFreaking McAwesome. McNow if McOnly McEverybody around McG did this all the McGod McDamn time then McMaybe that McAssMcHat would McSee how McGFucking annoying it McIs putting a McGod McDamn "Mc" in front of McEverything. McIncluding someone's McFreakin McName. McSorry. McI can't McHelp McIt.Anybody else notice this "McG-eese" language sounds an awful lot like the freakin weirdo language used between Marissa Tomei and Natasha Lyonne in 'Slums of Beverly Hills'? McMaybe McG is McOnto McSomething? Nah...he's just an McDouche. Again, McSorry.
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Thanks for the info. Wow. It looks like they weren't even trying on this one. Will Sasso? Now I'm even happier this thing will never see the light of day.
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Having watched both series of Spaced, I think that it's WILDLY over-hyped. I'm very happy to step aside for the show's fans when they geekgasm over it, but I don't think it's weird that you don't like it. Instead, I think it's a show for a certain kind of geek. For them, it's nirvana; for me, it's about as notable as funny (and as forgettable and unfunny) as, say, Three's Company.
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I LOVE Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz was great. For me, Spaced is a good show but nowhere near as good as Arrested Development or Peep Show.
I do think that it is great that you guys wouldn't even give McSpaced a "McChance". I know, it is hard to let something you love get bastardized. For me, it would be like watching Brett Ratner remake Clerks, but I would hate to think that I would blindly condemn it on the levels that the fanboys are.
I once had a friend who refused to watch Shaun of the Dead because he was tired of all the spoof movies that were coming out and he felt that it was bastardizing Dawn of the Dead. Hewouldn't listen to me that it was a legitimate movie and that it holds water on its own... what if McSpaced does too?
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May 12, 2008 5:08:44 PM CDT
"Maybe I'm just an idiot wiping Simon and Edgar's cum off my fac
by mcdee
You've got white on you.
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So it's Irish, close enough isn't it? Oh well, now we'll just have to wait and see how much he fucks up T4.
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well that is nice to hear. actually it just made my day a bit better.
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Love British comedies, love Hot Fuzz and Shaun of the Dead, but Spaced wasn't my cup of tea. It was hyped up as the most compelling, smartest comedy, and it was a pop culture "Remember, it's just like in Robocop! it's just like in Pulp Fiction! It's just like in Scooby Do!" wankfest. Famous scenes in everyday surroundings, out of context, without any clever twists. I can see how "Who can get more pop culture references" can be fun for the geek crowd, and there were some bright spots in the five episodes I've watched (Really wanted to like it so I gave it a chance) but if you praise this as the "best comedy evah" you may start watching Family Guy too and praise the shit out of it. (Hey, it's full of pointless references too)
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