May 10, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST
its about time we got a new Kevin Smith film....too bad his Fletch and Green Hornet failed to come to fuition......
May 10, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST
by Franklin T Marmoset
As a Romero fan and a Smith fan, I think it would guarantee me some kind of geek chic double word score.<p>I have, however, no idea where I would wear such a thing. I like proper shirts, me, tailored from the finest Oxford cotton and with collars and whatnot. Maybe I could wear it to bed.
May 10, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST
Kevin Smith Rocks! That is all.
May 10, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST
The guy will be the first to admit that he's surprised he's gotten away with it for so long. He's a poor director and a so-so writer of contrived dialogue....much like Tarantino. P.S. this is my 1st post so be gentle on me!
May 10, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST
If K. Smith and Tarantino are poor directors and so-so writers, then we need more poor directors and so-so writers in the world.
May 10, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST
I am positive Kevin Smith is probably one of the funniest and interesting people to have as a friend. This post is no way meant to disaparage Kevin Smith as a person. <br><br>That said, with the exception of Dogma, I don't understand the appeal of his films. Smith gets the greenlight for his projects and opts for potty humor and inane laughs as opposed to making a film about something important. <br><br>Kevin Smith wastes our time with this shite.
May 10, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST
Kevin Smith doesnt "opt for potty humor and inane laughs" they are his bread and butter, and there are plenty of people out there (myself included) who cant get enough of it. For me, watching movies is about having fun, laughing, being entertained, and his films reliably hit those marks for me.
May 10, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST
by Lance Rocke
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May 10, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST
The Saddest part of this is that I've met people who have the entire Kevin Smith collection, and because of it, they see and/or think of themselves as some sort of avant garde film buff, with witty yet delicate tastes. <br><br> I love a good laugh, and some times, a good dirty joke is perfect, or the F bomb couldn't be more appropriate, maybe even 3 or 4 times. Smith brings the national IQ level down with his writing, drowning in the depths of his own idealized artistic [or lack thereof] self importance.
May 10, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST
by Franklin T Marmoset
Nah, only joking. Someone was going to be grotesquely rude to you at some point, so I thought it might as well be me. I don't do it that often.<p>Welcome to the Ain't It Cool News!
May 10, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST
Before you get on this talk back and start bashing all things Kevin Smith, including the new movie sight unseen, take a moment to realize that in this world there will always be those who have different taste than you, and putting down the things they like is petty and pointless. I have a whole list of Directors/actors/movies that I dont care for, but I recognize that there are those who feel differently about them, and I refrain from slagging their poor taste (in my eyes).
May 10, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST
Not "great" as in "visionary" or something like that, but damn, all of his movies still hold up for different reasons, which is much more than you can say about most that Tarantino or Shyamalan have done.
May 10, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST
by Franklin T Marmoset
Surely you can see the irony in criticising Smith for 'drowning in the depths of his own idealized artistic [or lack thereof] self importance' while simultaneously using the phrase 'drowning in the depths of his own idealized artistic [or lack thereof] self importance'.<p>Besides, I think Smith is pretty well aware of his limitations and rarely pretentious. I think he's a funny guy, myself
May 10, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST
There are many, many films that I laugh at, and am entertained by, without giving me the impression it was written in a high school locker room. <br><br>Knocked Up, & The 40 Year Old Virgin, two of many films that I enjoy that certainly have their quota of toilet humor, yet, don't pivot around the humor as a way of telling a story. They're not award winning filmmaking, not at all, but they are funny without being adolescent,
May 10, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST
I don't hate Kevin Smith, in fact, An Evening With Kevin Smith was brilliant. <br><br> I think what upsets me about Smith is that I know he has more in him then what he constantly gives us. <br><br> Kevin Smith is thought to have one of the highest IQs of his peers, I want him to viscerally engage me, and he hasn't yet. So, you could say, this is about me, these are my issues. I'll freely admit that.
May 10, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST
I laughed at his jokes when Cheech and Chong wrote them.
May 10, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST
I see what you mean. Personally I want a back rub from Uma Thurman because she is thought to have some of the strongest hands of her peers, but she hasnt yet. Thats my issue, also freely admitted. Cheers!
May 10, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST
...a shirt with that logo. NOW!
May 10, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST
and diss the fuck out of all of you...
May 10, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST
by So What?
I really like most of Kevin Smith's work,he makes me laugh, can't wait to see this.
May 10, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST
You said, "pretty metal" which leads me to guess you smoke weed. <br>Therefore your opinion on Kevin Smith has just been nullified.<br><br> And hiperaktiv, I hope to god he does so I can call him a hack rip off artist that he is. I would tell him that he panders to pot heads because he knows they have not the memory realize that he uses the same joke over and over again. And most of them aren't old enough to really remember Cheech & Chong. <br> I would also ask him why he can't write a decent comic book, but yet still claims to be an authority on the subject.
May 10, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST
From Wikipedia: "Smith began a lengthy association with Marvel Comics in 1999, taking over as the writer of the Marvel Comic Daredevil. His run, which lasted eight issues, was plagued by delays (which artist Joe Quesada publicly took responsibility for, though it was a sign of things to come). His tenure on Daredevil was controversial among Daredevil fans. Some fans accused Smith of misogyny in his handling of Karen Page's death, and others objected to the killing of long-time Spider-Man foe Mysterio in a non-Spider-Man series. John Byrne and Howard Mackie (then-current writers on the Spider-Man titles) would bring the character back to life (though ironically, because of the delays in his Daredevil run, Mysterio's return to life in the pages of Spider-Man was published before the issue of Daredevil which featured Mysterio's death was published). <br><br> Kevin Smith followed this by jumping to DC Comics, producing a 15-issue tenure on Green Arrow that saw the return of Oliver Queen from the dead and the introduction of Mia Dearden, a teenage girl who would become Speedy after Smith's run had ended. <br><br> Smith returned to Marvel for two mini-series: Spider-Man/Black Cat: The Evil That Men Do and Daredevil/Bullseye: The Target. The former is six issues long, but the final three issues were delayed for three years. The delay in part was due to Smith's movie production schedule (in this case, work on Jersey Girl and Clerks II) causing him to shelf completion of the mini-series until the films were completed. <br><br> He was announced as the writer of an ongoing Black Cat series and Amazing Spider-Man' in early to mid-2002. However, because of the fatal delays on Evil That Men Do and The Target, the plan was switched so that Smith would start a third Spider-Man title (originally planned for then-ASM writer J. Michael Straczynski), and even this plan was eventually abandoned and the title (by then known as Marvel Knights Spider-Man) launched, in 2004, by Mark Millar instead. <br><br> While the Spider-Man/Black Cat mini-series was ultimately completed, Daredevil/Bullseye: The Target remains unfinished, with one issue published. As of May 2007, Marvel and Kevin Smith have indicated that there are no plans for the mini-series to ever be completed. The Black Cat series has been quietly "forgotten", with no comment on it since the original SM/BC hiatus, and thus while no official announcement has been made on its abandonment, it is extremely unlikely to ever happen."<br><br><br> All other comics he did were returns to the Jay and Silent Bob well which can be summed up with "Fuck you man, you're a fag, lets go get high." <br>Hilarity!<br><br> As for his up coming movies? Let's see we have Red State, which is obviously going to be Texas Chainsaw Massacre. We have another Jay and Silent Bob film, and we have some sort of Flash Gordon spoof. <br><br> Creative genius at work there. <br> As an artist I find Kevin Smith offensive.
May 10, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST
by Amy Chasing
don't people abuse their Wii controllers enough already?
May 10, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST
Bitter much? Heres the deal, some people like Kevin Smith, why do you take that as a personal insult? No one forces you to watch his films. Or is there someone who does? Does your mom drag you to each of his new releases? If so, be angry with her, not with other people you have never met who derive entertainment from K. Smith. Cheech and Chong had their place way back when, and now its Smith's turn. So what if he reuses some jokes, they are still funny! And as for Kevin Smith being an authority on comics, even if you dont care for the comics he has written, he is still an authority on subject, in much the same way that University professors can be authorities on things such as English literature without being best selling authors themselves. It comes from depth of knowledge from studying the material and does not always translate to being able to produce it. I have enjoyed some of the comics he has written, they havent blown me away, but neither were they the worst I have read.
May 10, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST
Oh dear...I wish people would get a clue and make informed statements. People have been asking what Smith can do to put his supposedly "highest IQs of his peers" to practise, and I think that will be it. A comedy nor Chainsaw Massacre pastiche it is not.
May 10, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST
I'm curious, why does smoking weed nullify one's opinion?
May 10, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST
You said, "I would tell him that he panders to pot heads because he knows they have not the memory realize that he uses the same joke over and over again." and left out a word, which leads me to guess you also smoke weed. Therefore your opinion on Kevin Smith has just been nullified.
May 10, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST
Art is all about perspective and is highly subjective. Who are any of you to say that Smith's films aren't art? Half of the "art" I see hanging in museums looks like a 4 year old threw a bunch of paint at a canvas. Is that art? To some people, yes, it is. If you don't enjoy his films, feel free to express yourself. Call the man a no talent hack (he does this himself) or piss all over his films. But what you shouldn't do is belittle other people for enjoying his work. Some of you take these compliments to Smith's films as personal insults against yourselves. Which doesn't even make sense. There really should be a more productive use for your time. Like smelling your own farts. Pretentious people still do that, right?
May 10, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST
Look, I enjoy Kevin Smith to a point. The guy is a fantastic writer at times and he can suck at times. "What's a Nubian?" Brilliant. The name Ollie Trinkie, not so much. The same can be true for his directing. I actually think Jersey Girl was a great movie. But if you were expecting Clerks, Chasing Amy, Mallrats, or JASBSB, you were going to hate it. My only complaint about Kevin Smith is that while I like the Askewniverse characters, I just want him to grow up, get a directing style, and challenge himself again. Clerks was great because he had something to prove. Dogma & JASBSB was just phoning it in. I am actually hoping he does well with this movie, and it's a step in the right direction. Because if you are a fan, you've got to realize that at some point, a 50 year old Silent Bob just isn't going to be funny anymore.
May 10, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST
It doesn't nullify one's opinion. It nullifies one's opinion about Kevin Smith for the reasons I listed.
May 10, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST
Is it art if I directly copy somebody else's paintings? No, sorry in any definition of art that is not part of it.
May 10, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST
I don't understand where your talkback-handle comes from, therefore your opinion is nullified. I'm not listening to you, so that means I'M RIGHT....Right? Kevin Smith is no David Lynch, but he also doesn't pretend to be, and it's not like he's making "What Stays in Vegas" or "You, Me, and Dupree" his films are geekdom and none of his fans pretend otherwise, so leave it alone. Go watch some art-flicks, and keep drinking your frappachinos with soy-milk, and scoffing at "long-haired freaks". It makes you REALLY REALLY cool....Right?
May 10, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST
"Bitter much? Heres the deal, some people like Kevin Smith, why do you take that as a personal insult?"<br><br> Not bitter at all. And I didn't say I was insulted because you liked him. I find him offensive as an artist is what I said. It has nothing to do with you. Lots of people like all kinds of crappy stuff. "No one forces you to watch his films. Or is there someone who does? Does your mom drag you to each of his new releases? If so, be angry with her, not with other people you have never met who derive entertainment from K. Smith." <br><br> Wow a mom, insult? Seriously? And like I said. I think he's a plagiarizer...I don't have an issue with you. <br> "Cheech and Chong had their place way back when, and now its Smith's turn. So what if he reuses some jokes, they are still funny!"<br><br> That's possibly the dumbest defense of plagiarism I have ever heard. <br> And as for Kevin Smith being an authority on comics, even if you dont care for the comics he has written, he is still an authority on subject, in much the same way that University professors can be authorities on things such as English literature without being best selling authors themselves.<br><br> Except that to acquire a PhD you have to develop a theory that advances your chosen specialization. You can't simply rewrite Newtonian physics and become a physics doctorate. <br> "It comes from depth of knowledge from studying the material and does not always translate to being able to produce it. I have enjoyed some of the comics he has written, they havent blown me away, but neither were they the worst I have read."<br><br> They were never finished...except for the ones where he could simply have two crudely drawn guys smoke weed and call each other "fags." <br><br> And as for the guy laughing about Red State...we'll see. I bet anything you want it's a rip off of at least Texas Chainsaw Massacre...with maybe some Deliverance thrown in...as if TCM didn't take from Deliverance already.
May 10, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST
If my opinion is nullified why do you care enough to insult me?<br><br> I think you do care. I think you are a mute little nobody in real life so you pop off all the louder online so people will notice you. <br>I noticed you.
May 10, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST
he is the perfect comedic actor, yet only smith will hire him
May 10, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST
still you gotta love the haters ....here you've got Kevin Smith like it or not, a voice for his generation.....a man who has made Movies that people have watched, liked and become cult classics if not "actual" classics(Clerks) of this generation...who is still able to make films that people will watch and enjoy.....that is more than can be said for a lot of other directors.....not to mention posters here....personally I can't wait for an evening with Kevin Smith 3
May 10, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST
Oh how special to be noticed by you, we should all be so lucky! Pariah74 is a REAL artist and has taken the time to respond to me, how special! Also, I didnt insult your mom, if your mom is the one taking you to see Kevin Smith movies, then she clearly has better taste than you (in my opinion, feel free to think differently), its a compliment to her, in the spirit of it being mothers day tomorrow and whatnot. Also, last time I checked no one held a copywrite on dick and fart jokes, and they can be funny every single time they are used, by anyone, anywhere. Its not plagiarism, no one's intellectual property is being usurped. And by the way, last time I checked their were plenty of PhD's out there who havent contributed jack shit to their fields of specialty. Being an authority on comics is not equivalent to a PhD anyways, it merely refers to the fact he has dedicated a great part of his life to reading, analyzing, and discussing them. He may be an authority who you disagree with, but you will probably encounter authorities you disagree with in any given field.
May 10, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST
"PhD's out there who havent contributed jack shit to their fields of specialty."<br><br> You don't know shit about gettinga Ph.D. Converse with many of them about your pot and dick jokes do you?<br><br>Oh and you're the one who compared the PhD to the comics authority...not me.<br>Go smoke another one dipshit. Jesus, you're fucking slow...no wonder you like Smith. yawn.
May 10, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST
Not. How about the Monroeville Shoppers... or the Monroeville Survivors... anything that doesn't make the reference so BLATANTLY obvious. OK, I guess I'm losing my mind looking for subtlety on a hockey jersey in a Kevin Smith movie.
May 10, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST
"You dont know shit about getting a PhD" Says the self proclaimed artist. No, I guess not first hand, I considered going the MD/PhD route, but I figured being a Medical Doctor was fulfilling enough. But I do have many friends with PhDs or currently working towards them at this time, and as it happens many of us LOVE to sit around and talk about dick and fart jokes. I dont smoke pot, but I have nothing against it if you do(in moderation). Marijuana is a lot less harmful than alcohol , or even tobacco, though I dont condone its abuse, let me be clear on that. The dose makes the poison. There is nothing magical about a PhD, and plenty of worthless people have managed to get one and have NOT contributed jack shit! (I was referring to PhDs in things such as literature, not the sciences, though you can come across some louts with PhDs in science also if you look hard enough). Let that not reflect poorly on those who have made contributions, but there will always be some people who just suck. And why are you so up in arms about defending everyone who ever got a PhD? You either dont have one, or you do, and realize that it means jack shit because its in some worthless area like art, or literature, which is an effing joke.
May 10, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST
"Wow....MONROEVILLE ZOMBIES! That will earn some nerd respect! Watch me make another shit comedy chock full of jokes about getting laid and donkey jizm." ZZZZZZ. Kevin Smith must have photos of the Weinstein brothers fondling little boys' assholes, because I can't figure out how else he gets funding for such absolute cinematic dogshit. He's only kept relevant by a handful of douchebags who revel in his amazing talent to make fun of dick-rubbing.
May 10, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST
Please love me. I am so lonely. Teach me about Newtonian physics!
May 10, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST
by Uncle Stan
It never rings true. No one (including geeks) talks like the mannequins do in a Smith movie.
May 10, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST
They were doing some filming either somewhere in Monroeville Mall, or right outside of it. My wife worked there and one day the food court was filled with extras and the food services trucks were outside, so not only does Smith reference DOTD obliguely with those shirts, he filmed at least a bit of the movie in their own 'house'.
May 10, 2008, 4:26 p.m. CST
May 10, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST
Sweet as fuck, with Clerks & Dawn of the Dead both being on my top 4 favorite films of all time, this is great.
May 10, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST
Well, maybe not, but it is a plan in life to make a trip to monroeville mall at least once....
May 10, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST
Why do people insult each other on here when 95% of the time they wouldn't say any of that shit to anybody's face? It's just a movie everybody so calm down. You might like it, you might not. Either way the world will still see another day.
May 10, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST
At adding deluded pop culture references in his movie. As far as directing, writing, eating and personality he SUCKS BIG COCK! Good thing Banks has that Oliver Stone movie ahead of her, otherwise Smith would have ruined her career just to stroke his ego.
May 10, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST
by Jay Mammoth
Something Kevin Smith related pops up on the site and all the jealous idiots slam him in the talkbacks. Move on guys, his movies are funny make a profit and he will be around for many more years.
May 10, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST
by Jay Mammoth
Clerks 2 budget 5 million gross $26,983,776 Clerks budget $27,000 Gross $3,151,130 Chasing Amy $12,021,272 Dogma Budget 10 million Gross $30,652,890 J&SBSB Budget 22 million Gross $33,788,161 All not including DVD sales. Which by the way are usually released no longer than 3-6 months after the theatrical release here in the States.
May 11, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST
That's why he turned away from The Green Hornet. Give him a decent budget and watch that f'er tank. He just plays the odds....and the buffet line.
May 11, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST
A stoner comedy with overly verbose dick jokes is just the ticket. My favorite is Mallrats.
May 11, 2008, 4:15 a.m. CST
May 11, 2008, 5:57 a.m. CST
Why has this site become (or maybe it always was and I have rose tinted specs) a place for all the hate filled, negative, bitter so called movie 'fans'. Why can't a site like this be about cellabrating the culture that we are all so obssessed with? Yeah I like Smith, always have, but I also like world cinema (even if- shock horror- I have to read subtitles) big blockbusters, classic movies, arthouse, whatever -I justy love film. There are bad movies and moviemakers, I just don't feel the need to linger and obsess over them. I want to start a revolution.....a positive rebellion.....something to show that us movie geeks are not all self absorbed, hate filled, lonley wankers. Who's with me?
May 11, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST
I like those Apatow dudes 2 so I look forward to this V much!<P>Shit! I must be Twatmental round here!
May 11, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST
There's nothing "oblique" about it. The opposite.
May 11, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST
Smith should have gone into stand up comedy and left filmmaking to others.
May 11, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST
Kevin Smith isn't intelligent, or wise, or interesting. Where does he get the nerve to have a condescending elitist personality? based on his "films?" he has never made a smart movie to justify his attitude. he got lucky, thats it.
May 11, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST
that's not to say he still doesn't have anything interesting to say...well his director commentaries are always better than the movies themselves. And I remember when I replied to every post in a Talkback...kind of a crazycool thing to do. I dig him, but not really dieing to see this one.
May 11, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST
Anderson will not be Randal and this will not be Askewniverse canon.
May 11, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST
he sucked as the wizard. but the whole character sucked as well. making john mcclane look like a chump is a bad idea by the writers first and foremost.
May 11, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST
by slappy jones
its actually gotten really boring. I saw the story title and pretty much guessed what the boards would be filled with. jealous fucking losers trying to to out hate each other...see who can come up with the biggest insult. Its all so lame now. the hate is so over the top most of the time that you guys don;t even believe your own posts. its all nonsense.
May 12, 2008, 12:36 a.m. CST
by Hikaru Ichijo
Can you imagine driving past a shopping center in February and seeing Christmas decorations still up? Like we haven't endured enough? Smith gets props for fucking with an entire population and then filming outside Ralph's Army Surplus during business hours to boot. There was rigging parked in the mall for months, he is definitely showing you what the place looks like today (Great Zombie Walk, btw.)The guy popped into Phantom even, so that's how he's playing his nerd card for real. We might be getting used to the guy shooting around Pittsburgh, so this is a nice nod to the regions minimal film history. This movies skyline will be DREARY.
May 12, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST
Is that he's so anal about his scripts, that it seems he doesn't allow the actors to do their jobs. If they go off page, OH NOOOO! it's not exactly what I wrote. Well, often times the words just seem forced, or performances stilted, most likely because his direction is just "Say the words." He's a great writer, for sure, but a director works with actors and allows them to become part of the process. Directing isn't about composition and camera lenses. It's about setting tone and shaping performances. Something Smith's films sorely lack. He seems like a really nice guy, though.
May 12, 2008, 3:55 a.m. CST
by Steve T
The reason people think talkbackers are cunts si because so many arseholes on here have nothing better to do than look at threads about stuff they have no interest in and bitch! Seriously, some of you have ripped Smith for one small inside joke sweatshirt some characters wear! Fucksake, get out there and do something useful with your lives! On topic, I like the fact that Smith is moving away from the old flicks/characters. Much as I love 'em, he needs to move on a bit and grow.
May 12, 2008, 7:07 a.m. CST
I'm not usually one to say anything positive about Kevin Smith (I think he's as overrated a director as the next guy), but I have to say that I quite like REAPER. Now I'm sure he might not want to hear that as he's shooting for more success in the movie business, but let's face it, he hasn't done anything quality wise since...well...since CLERKS, and maybe MALLRATS. Okay, there were a few moments in JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKES BACK. It's been a long time coming for him in the film industry. Maybe this REAPER thing is a good sign for him. Maybe he should get more involved with it. Get back to his roots a little more. Redefine himself so to speak. Then come back and make a movie that he can put his heart and soul in. Not just something that he thinks is clever with witty dialog. In any event, this is supposed to be a positive post. Just to say, hey, I like REAPER. Even though the premise has been done a time or two before, the casting is top notch. And the dialog really works.
May 12, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST
May 12, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST
by milurs big fat mouth
are you fucking kidding me? 40yov? not adolescent? It was a mid-life crisis version of Porky's! On top of that I couldn't even sit through knocked-up.
May 12, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST
that is all...
May 12, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST
with you Cowboy. Although I'd be a hypocrite, cause if there's a person I feel is crazy overrated (cough, JJ Abrams, cough), I sometimes duck my head in and offer up my opinion. I don't ever seem to match the viciousness here though. Meow! I was a big fan of Smith's early stuff. Loved Clerks, Mallrats, and Chasing Amy. I've been a little underwhelmed with his recent stuff, but it's not like it even approaches the worst crap out there. I'll give this a look and then decide if I like it (what a novel concept). Oh, and justanothermoviefan, that's a really interesting theory on why his stuff sometimes doesn't work. I'm buying what you're selling.