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Harry Steele says INDY IV is the 3rd best of the series!

Hey folks, Harry here... Yes, the film has screened. Yes, these reviews are coming from those screenings. And yes, people are all over the place with the film. Now where am I coming down on all of this? I'm excited. I've just recently rewatched the 3 original Indiana Jones films - and yes I have my plush Indiana Jones sound whip - that I love beating my pom with. That said - I feel that easily I'm giddy for the new film. I know that there's no way on this planet or any other - that it can be better than RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK - but then - that's not what I was ever expecting. That said - I love both of the sequels that I have seen. The elements in this film seem to be far more far fetched than we've come to expect... but in a way - that's what I'm hoping for. If there's aliens, ants, crocs, spaceships, wookies... whatever - I'm excited. Psychic Commies!?!? What's not to love about that? We'll see though. This is the review that I feel is probably going to be more on par with my feelings... at least I hope so... This reviewer sent this in not wanting his name associated, so I'll call him Harry Steele...

So you've probably received quite a few of these by now, so let's just cut to the chase shall we? Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Did I see it? Yes! How? Same as SOME of these other folks. Is it any good? Yes!! /Depends... Explain. Well, I should admit that Raiders, for me, has remained movie magic despite my involvments in the industry. In other words, despite how jaded I am becoming about movies and entertainment, this one and a few select others just remain untouchable classics. Now, I do love Temple of Doom and Last Crusade despite their respective flaws, but Raiders is a perfect movie for me. There's not a wasted second of screen time there. It still captures that wonder that older movies tend to have and newer movies have forgotten. So....? So, I'd put KOTCS in line more with the two sequels - which is by far not a bad thing. I am not surprised that I had this reaction, nor could I think of any way KOTCS could be improved to EVER stand along side Raiders. So there ya go. What's good? Oh, so much. The river chase is among the best chase scenes in the whole series. The ant sequence give the suitable chills. Doomtown is a haunting and fascinating sequence with an interesting ending. The one major death (nope not telling) is handled very well. The shots are impressive and familiar to the series. The acting is good across the board. Ford's Indy this time out is a bit different a bit beat down (a ton more so AFTER the events here for sure), but still witty and clumsy. The rest (especially Winstone) are a perfect fit. Shia? I had my doubts but he was just fine. Most of all it feels like Indy so rest assured, in case you are wondering/worrying...this is an Indiana Jones movie! A book should be written on the numerous ways and reasons this series just blows every other attempt at adventure films out of the croc (also a nice addition) infested water. It will bring broad goofy smiles to your faces. What's not? Well, the snake scene was a bit too illogical even for an Indy movie. While Spalko is well acted, the psychic thing is a bit hard to take ( as it was in the Fate of Atlantis PC game). Also, the end...well, since I'd heard some awful rumors of a cameo overload, I was worried, but while those were thankfully way off, the ending that is here ...well let's just say I'd personally prefer this to be the last adventure we had with Indy. They got this one right - let us not risk it again. Not sure some of us could take the wait. Also, regarding the ending, it's a bit more in line with TOD than the others, but you'll have to see it to understand. So rank em? Easy. Raiders first (see above) Temple of Doom second (close race with LC for me, but the set pieces and serial feel overcome) Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (weird to see another title amongst these others,but it belongs here I am so glad to say) Last Crusade (fun, but uneven). So seriously...after 19's actually good? It's actually very good. Now, people will be mixed on this, though I have a hard time seeing how anyone could say it's actually a BAD film. Some may not like it for whatever personal reason, but that Spielberg magic is still there. It feels like the Spielberg we know and love (well, except for Lost World - bleh). There you go. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is officially Pretty. Damn. Good. And I can not wait to see it with some real folks now! So if you do decide to run this early (spoiler free, poorly written, rushed) look at Indy 4 call me Officially Relieved.
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  • May 8, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST


    by DigitalBeachWar

    sounds like poop to me

  • May 8, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST


    by la_sith

  • May 8, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Haters smell of fear

    by Radioman75

    A good old fun time at the theater....sounds nice

  • May 8, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    THIS guy I believe

    by slone13

    He actually gave details. Still would love to know where these screenings went down. Earliest one I can get into is May 18th. 10 loooong days.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Finally, someone mentions something we didn't already know about

    by filmicdrummer17

    PERSPECTIVE. CONTEXT. Words foreign to your typical talkbacker.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Raiders is by no means perfect

    by The Dubliner

    I was watching it on TV the other day and I realized how much dopey fucking dialog is in it and some of the action, if the movie was made today, would be ridiculed to no end. So FUCK UP with all the "Raiders is untouchable" horseshit! This new Indy looks like an Indy movie. Last Crusae is probably the most all round entertaining of the 3 so far. So long as this one is fun that's all I can hope for. People need to chill the fuck out and stop expecting the 2nd coming like they did with the new Star Wars flicks...

  • May 8, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Every vote counts

    by My best friend

    if you count every vote

  • May 8, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    I think they should make lots of Indy flicks just like....

    by FlickaPoo

    ...the pulp adventures that the series set out to imitate. In the pulp tradition there would be oodles of Indy stories and they would be all over the place in tone and quality....but I'd pay to see them all...

  • May 8, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    this review i respect

    by newc0253

    I liked Temple of Doom more than Last Crusade, so any Indiana Jones film that's better than LC is a good thing in my book.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    the lost art of adventure movies

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

    will be seen in Indy 4. Haters go comment on the G.I Joe story.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    over a decade's wait is finally over

    by cndart

    I get to relive my inner childhood Indy adventures once again!

  • May 8, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Who dies?

    by bobsjohnson

    Follow the link:

  • May 8, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    I'm still cynical abou this

    by hallmitchell

    I believe this first two reviews. Is this one damage control?

  • May 8, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Sorry, not biting

    by LargoJr

    Raiders was simply too good, while the next two films relegated everyone to supporting straightmen and general bumbling buffoonery. In Raiders, you knew from the very start that even Brody was of an intellect and skill not to be taken lightly. It hinted that perhaps, in HIS time, he had been like Indy. Salah, Marion, even Beloc were all capable and intelligent. In the subequent films, every character became a shadowy reflection of their former glory, largely to exist only to be laughed at and pitied. I truly despise the 2nd and 3rd film, for denying me the growth each character deserved. LC's only saving grace was Sean Connery.. the man could stack pistachio shells and it would still be mesmerizing.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Yes!!! Fuck you dad!

    by merricks14yearoldson

    I knew it would be good.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Makes you wonder if audiences EVER liked movies this much

    by Drath

    So many differing voices of descent kind of kill the idea that anything is universally (or near enough universally) loved. Would any of the movies we love now have such spotless reputations had they come out with the amount of scrutiny we bring to them now? Even when something has a lot of fans, there's usually a backlash. There was certainly something about watching movies without all these advance reviews that made it a bit easier to just take the movie on its own terms. That said, I was mixed about Last Crusade when I saw it in 89, so I'm used to this kind of "eh, not sure it's what I wanted" feeling. Time has certainly helped me overlook most of my problems with that movie. I gotta agree about the wonder of movies being gone too. Not sure that's anything that can be helped either. You cannot go back and love movies the way you did when you were 5. I think To Have and Have Not is a great movie, but I can also tell if it were made now you'd HAVE to have a boat chase/action scene in the last act instead of so much talking. Demands are different. Oddly, THaHN isn't a movie I'd have watched when I was 5 because of all the talking, so I guess my metaphor is shot.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I rank the Star Wars movies thusly:

    by The Dubliner

    1-Revenge of the Sith 2-Return of the Jedi 3-The Empire Strikes Back 4-The Phantom Menace 5-A New Hope 6-Attack of the Clones.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    I rank the Indiana Jones movies thusly:

    by The Dubliner

    1-The Last Cruase 2-Raiders of the Lost Ark 3-The Temple of Doom.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST


    by oisin5199

  • May 8, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    first film still the best

    by oisin5199

    that is all

  • May 8, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    In Other Words, Its Really Bad

    by LaserPants

    Too bad, so sad. Move on.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Spin Control.

    by fiester

    They are beginning to sound like The Clinton Campaign: It's all about lowering expectations so a loss comes across as win. The only way this could possibly be good is if Shia dies horribly. Seriously, then I would go. Someone please put Shia in one of those torture-porn horror flicks and have him get cut to shreds and die crying and I will gladly pony up my ten bucks and even by a tub of popcorn to sit and watch and laugh my ass off.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    I Don't Understand The She-Ra LeBeef Hate, Actually

    by LaserPants

    Is he that hateful? He wasn't all that bad in Transformers, which was largely a piece of crap with some cool set pieces. I haven't seen him in anything else.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST


    by Photosuperstar

    Just had to say it before someone else did!

  • May 8, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    What, Harry, is a "pom"??

    by TheMcflyFarm

    and you write for a living...

  • May 8, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Ok, so the film has screened...

    by Gabba-UK

    But this review smacks as being a real one because as filmicdrummer17 said above, perspective and context. Not because its positive, I can handle it being bad (I doubt it will be) but I need to be told that by someone who obviously isn't so full of bile about past disappointments.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    You people are really sad

    by LordMadhammer

    "Oh I'm still hoping that this recaptures the magic." Get real. Wake up. I loved Raiders too, but for God's sake, how many times are we going to be fooled by George Lucas? I've already seen 'The Phantom Menace', thanks.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Yey, sounds hopeful

    by Avon

    I am hopeful.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    the beloved character Hitler dies

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    in a flashback. its a suicide.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    3rd best means

    by TheMcflyFarm

    that it fits with the series, and considering that they are 3 of the greatest pieces of motion picture entertainment ever, that is a wonderful thing.

  • May 8, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Yes, but what Beatles song is it most like?

    by tonagan

    Lady Madonna?

  • May 8, 2008, 6 p.m. CST



    Ooga-Booga. Have another drink, and remember: your kid hates you.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    He's not Harry Steele

    by quentintarantado

    He's Officially Relieved. He says so in his last line! And, I still want to see it, hints of a Phantom Menace disaster be damnned.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Theres Only Room For 1 Dickblood

    by Frodo T. Baggins

    Any others need to get creative

  • May 8, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Yes! THE MUMMY: TOMB OF THE DRAGON EMPEROR is on my list of 15. IRON MAN made the list 16, but I've alreadt seen it-AND IT WAS EFFING AWESOME!!! What did you think?

  • May 8, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST


    by Olsen Twins_Fan

    "Raiders is far from perfect."?!?! Don't you blaspheme in here, don't you BLASPHEME in HERE!!!

  • May 8, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    The Wookie has no pants!!!

    by Annie The Pod Racer

    Don't sweat the small stuff. No pun intended Chewie!

  • May 8, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by solobear

    I, for one, AM excited about the new INDY. I hold not one iota of negative thoughts or feelings for it. I am expecting a kick-ass movie, and I'll bet that I'll get just what I want. You can find things wrong with just about any movie, but that doesn't make them unwatchable, or any of the other vile crap that some of theses creeps are spewing.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    I just spit cherry cola all over the screen

    by Silverglade

    check out the post by the user "merricks14yearoldson" above.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    by huggerorange

    What a different and alot more positive review compared to the first review you got of indy 4..I think that first guy (shogun master) just hated his life all together and wanted to hate on indy..

  • May 8, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    You guys are unbelievable

    by decypher44

    Oh, because this person likes it, you believe him. If the others didn't like it, then obviously they were lying about seeing it, right?

  • May 8, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Look, nothing is perfect. But you can't get much better than RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. Whoever said that shit is missing part of their brain or something. Oh, sorry, they just prefer films like ALVIN AND THE CHIPMUNKS.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Whether those two negative reiviews are legitimate or not, they have no bearing on whether I'll see INDY. I prefer to make up my own mind, thank you. Yes, I hope this positive look is more in line with the truth, but just like the other two, it hasn't swayed me in the least.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Merricks14yearoldson Has Dad Anger Today

    by Frodo T. Baggins

  • May 8, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST


    by decypher44

    Who says that ANY review is going to make someone see the movie or not? I think most of us WILL see it. Even though I have had a bad feeling about this one for months, I'm still going to see it.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Do Yourself A Favor...

    by solobear

    Just go into this film with an open mind. Don't go in expecting anything. Maybe you'll be surprised. Do you REALLY think that Spielberg would turn this into crap?

  • May 8, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    There's a new Indy movie?!!?!

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    Why didn't anyone warn us about this?<p>What next? A sequel to Batman Begins maybe?

  • May 8, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    The Summer Movie Season

    by solobear

    Before I went to see IRON MAN last Friday, I had a feeling that this was going to be one Hell of a summer for films. IRON MAN was a blast on all levels, and I think that most of the films that I am looking forward to seeing this summer are going to follow suit. Of all the 15 flicks remaining on my sumer viewing list, I am only really concerned about three of them not being very good-SPEED RACER, THE HAPPENING and BABYLON A.D. But I will still see them. Hopefully, they will surprise me-though I really don't hold out a lot of hope for THE HAPPENING, though.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    The truth


    I say I hate Shia because...because I actually LOVE him! There, I said it! Man, if I could have wedged my nostrils between his sticky batwings for just 30 seconds, I could die happy!

  • May 8, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Oh shit. I can't take ANOTHER one of these today

    by finky089

    I know AICN wants to show it can run mixed reviews, but enough is enough for one day/ We already have OVER 1,000 in collective Indy TB posts. Save some load to blow for tomorrow AICN!

  • May 8, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    is that it should have went on FOREVER! When I see films like these I don't want them to end.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Long Live Indiana Jones!

    by finky089

    Raiders IS perfect. Don't ever change.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Don't worry, I'm sure that everyone will have plenty to say tomorrow, and the day day after that and so on and so forth. This stuff never stops.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Hey Budgie...

    by solobear

    Spoilers don't bother me. If you have something to say, THEN SAY IT. Don't post cryptic crap like that. It just leads us to think that you're full of crap and don't really know.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Anyone who thinks Crusade is better than Temple..

    by Prossor

    needs to be placed into a ditch and shot in the back of their head. ASAP!!!!

  • May 8, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Raiders was a near masterpiece.

    by Quake II

    There, I said it. There is very little to find wrong with that film. It had the perfect balance of action, humor, drama and emotion. I find Raiders Of The Lost Ark an overall better film than any of the Star Wars movies.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Raiders will last beyond us

    by Silverglade

    It is a timeless piece of cinema beauty. It doesn't age. It was produced in 1980 but even today it is far superior to most anything. Every once in a while production, direction, art design, costuming, music, all come together with the planets in alignment, giving us a gem that will last forever and remain fucking badass long after we are all taking dirt naps or sitting in urns.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    RAIDERS, TEMPLE OF DOOM, LAST CRUSADE, THE STAR WARS FILMS...I LOVE 'EM ALL. And there really is little point in trying to place one of them above any of the others. Why play favorites? If you want to nitpick these flicks to death, then be my guest, but it's time wasted.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    RAIDERS, TEMPLE OF DOOM, LAST CRUSADE, THE STAR WARS FILMS...I LOVE 'EM ALL. And there really is little point in trying to place one of them above any of the others. Why play favorites? If you want to nitpick these flicks to death, then be my guest, but it's time wasted.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    RAIDERS, TEMPLE OF DOOM, LAST CRUSADE, THE STAR WARS FILMS...I LOVE 'EM ALL. And there really is little point in trying to place one of them above any of the others. Why play favorites? If you want to nitpick these flicks to death, then be my guest, but it's time wasted.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by Herb West

    Fuck yeah! Great review man! You said you were going to do it and you did!

  • May 8, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    STUCK BUTTON! Goddamn modern technology!

  • May 8, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Last Crusade is an Awesome Film

    by BackwardGalaxy

    And haters need to bite me.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Shia The Beef just made dookie in your hat.

    by fiester

    Now wear it and like it, America!

  • May 8, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST E.T. the end cameo?

    by fiester

    Is E.T. the dead alien? Heh.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST


    by Napolean Solo

    I actually don't think that would be a bad idea. People would gasp, but I think if it was ET looking, it will be quite clever.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    It's a kick to see stuff from people whop aren't out to hate everything. Just this week, I talked to someone in my local comic shop about IRON MAN. There were things about it that he didnt care for, but he still liked the movie. It's easy to nitpick, and you can find something wrong with just about anything, but if you come out of a movie feeling like you were just taken on a grand ride somewhere you've never been, then the filmmakers have accomplished their mission. Yes some are better than others, some are truly crap, and few are truly great, but that's what makes being a movie fan such a cool experience.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by El Borak

    i'm pumped no matter what. for years tod didn't exist for me. i wasn't allowed to see it(i was a kid at the time) and when i did the gross-outs and tone differences put me off.<br> <br>then recently my grandad passed away and in the process of cleaning, removing things from his house i found a bunch of old video tapes. while i grieved i watched the old movies my grandad taped for me years ago. the secret of nimh, the dark crystal, those horrible ewok t.v. movies and low and behold i found a tape of temple of doom that i never knew about. my mom probably wouldn't let me see it.<br> <br>anyway, i watched it overe an over and now it's one of my favorites right up there with the other two. so even if kingdom differs tonally, contextually, whatever it's still indy. and indy(along with my g-dad) will always rock.

  • May 8, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    As much as I want to believe this one...

    by jones1899

    and despite the fact that it SEEMS more legit, I'm just gonna ignore all of these opinions. Of course having said that ------------------------------- YAY! New Indy film is damn good!!!!

  • May 8, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Temple of Doom was ASS.....

    by Big Dan

    When I left the theater the day it opened I wanted to punch something. It was a travesty.

  • May 8, 2008, 7 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    1. Raiders 2. Temple of Doom 3. Last Crusade. Anyone that thinks Crusade is better than Raiders is delusional.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    TEMPLE OF DOOM is an AWESOME film. Is it RAIDERS? No, but it isn't meant to be. It sounds like you have an anger problem, Dan. I could say something about the comparison you make, but, why bother? It's too easy.

  • Watch for yourself!

  • May 8, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    I have a hard time believing...

    by Shoun

    There are people in this world that think Temple of Doom is better than Last Crusade. I literally can't fathom this concept.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay

    by solobear

    Who gives a shit what Michael Bay thinks? Tell that valley boy to shut his pie hole and get TRANSFORMERS 2 made!!!

  • May 8, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST


    by Darth-Mike

    Watch the video... heh heh

  • May 8, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Harry likes a "balance" of reviews. But that one's a PLANT.

    by NoDiggity

    I mean, I can't believe he douches who are saying it "sounds more real" because it has "More detail". It's the thinnest review yet!

  • May 8, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    saw it a few days ago

    by joel007

    Saw this thing the other night, probably in the same screening as some others who have posted here... I have been an Indy fan since I was 8 and saw the ball rolling down the tunnel so getting to finally have another Indy flick has had me... well... anxious for a while. Not knowing if it was going to be any good... Getting a little worried at pix that would leak out or from things' I'd hear... One of the things people will need to get used to about this, is that this has become more of a 50's alien as metaphor paranoia homage - right down to the bad boy in a biker jacket. All that said, this is a really interesting film. First of all, anyone who says it looks cheap or the jungle sequences look plasticky or the CGI doesn't work is full of crap. This definitely has the look and feel of the previous 3. The last 2 indy flicks had their missteps and this one is no different. In actuality, the most interesting thing to me was that of the two screenings so far - one for exhibitors and one for paramount folk - is just how many of them happen to have seen it and then rushed vague, non-specific reviews onto this particular website. Basically all full of crap, using all the spoilers that we all know are out there and info from topps cards to pretend they've seen it, trying to trash it for us in some pathetic attempt to wreck it for everyone. Why would someone do that? Why would someone send out a virus - because they're assholes. I haven't seen this movie any more than the slate of lying bastards who claim to have. Granted, one or two MIGHT have, but the rest are BS. I could have written a big fake review of this thing just like those clowns. No correction... Clown shoes. Even more useless.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Bay was joking

    by MattmanReturns

  • May 8, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Oh, crap do I feel dumb!!! I beg Michael Bay's eternal forgiveness. Oh well, type talkback, insert foot!!!

  • May 8, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    yeah, I know

    by joel007

    but what the hell, right?

  • May 8, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST


    by Herb West

    officially owned AICN. First he made the call (repeatedly) that those were false reviews this morning. Then he told them straight out that they were going to be on their hands and knees sucking dick. We know Harry saw it because he posted shortly after. We've all seen people banned for a lot less. So why didn't they ban him? Fear. Fear of the truth that the dickblood was speaking! Then he came right out and wrote a positive review just like he said he was going to do! Wipe that blood off your ass, AICN. DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD just got finished with it!

  • May 8, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Reviews matter not!

    by solobear

    Look at INDIANA JONES. Judge him by his reviews do you? Hm? HMMM! And well you should not, for his allies are Lucas and Spielberg, and powerful allies are they. Created him they did, made him into film. Marvelous films are they, not the crude junk some claim them to be. You must feel their force around you. Here and at the local cineplex. Everywhere!

  • May 8, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    MAY 22

    by solobear

    Y'kmow, come May 22nd, all this stuff isn't going to mean a whole lot. When that day comes, we'll all be able to make up our minds for ourselves, and a grand day it shall truly be, I've no doubt about it. I just wish that I could see it now. Y'know, for every employee of Paramount who has gotten to see this film early, there are a thousand of us who deserve to see it more!

  • May 8, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    I am ashamed....

    by Herb West

    to be an AICN talkbacker today. I'm not kidding.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    These reviews have no shocked me in any way. The most shocking thing I've seen today has been the EW pics of Josh Brolin as W. Now THAT was a shock to the system!

  • May 8, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Why ashamed?

    by solobear

    What are you ashamed of, Herb?

  • May 8, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Real or not-that is the question...

    by solobear

    When I read the first two reviews of INDY 4, I got the strange feeling that they were fake. I don't know if it was the lack of detail or the general negative vibe, but they just reeked of falsity. The third one, while positive, seemed more real, but I still don't know about any of them. It's interesting to see, I guess, but I don't put much stock in them at this time. I got a much bigger thrill listening to the small snippets of Jown Williams' score for the film on Now THAT made me feel good!

  • May 8, 2008, 7:27 p.m. CST

    So basically it's an alright movie...

    by Johnno

    Disappointing I guess, but there's room for an alright movie in my schedule since I'm not such an overcritical bastard.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST


    by Herb West

    I'm ashamed at what this site has sunk to. I'm ashamed at how gutless the editors are. It's like that joke earlier about every major movie website getting a GI Joe photo except this one. Well, there's a reason for it.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Thanks for the clarification, Herb. I've only recently started posting talkback here, but I've been a daily visitor to this site for quite some time. I tend to take much of what I see with a grain of salt, if you will. But I do tend to agree with you.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST


    by Herb West


  • May 8, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Lucas wanted the film to be more episodic...

    by Canada's King

    ...which probably has contibuted to there being an overall lack of character development on Indy's behalf (as the reviews have noted). Betcha that's part of the reason Darabont was up in arms - Lucas chopped the char. development out of his script!

  • May 8, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    goddam- i wish- harry would-

    by Bunger!

    learn appropriate use- of dashes and elipses... I gather he intends his writing to read the way Shatner's dialog sounds. Hey Harry, it doesn't work that way. It just looks like you are a fifth grade drop-out. Get an editor.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    The Fear Harbored by the studios

    by solobear

    I really don't know why the studios fear sites like these. I guess that, on one hand, they think some of the negativity that flows here and elsewhere could sink their films. But on the other hand-and I think that this is MUCH more significant-they are getting a LOT of free promotion on these sites in one form or another. If their are folks from the studios checking this stuff out daily, then they ought to be able to tune out the negative garbage from the know-nothings and focus on the real stuff here and listen to what the REAL fans of their products think.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:41 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    I know that spoilers are a big gripe with the studios, but I look at it this way. If those of us who frequent this site don't mind spoilers, then maybe they shouldn't either. If you don't want to see spoilers, then don't read them. And I'll bet that I'm not the only one who thinks that some of these so-called spoilers are actually planted by studios for free publicity. Let's face it, that 2-FACE photo from THE DARK KNIGHT was up on this site for an awfully long time before it was pulled. Does anyone smell the hand of a Warners plant???

  • May 8, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    I guess that when push comes to shove, as long as we fans get to see and/or hear what we want, who really gives a damn. I want info about the stuff that I enjoy, and I'll go where I need to to get it. If that means that I'm pissing off or frightening the suit monkeys who run the studios then so be it.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST


    by Herb West

    I think there was a time when studios feared or respected this site. That is, before it became the trailer park of the internet. It would be nice to think that fans could communicate their feelings to the studios through this site and it should be a good way to do it. It's just hard to communicate with all the white noise of the trolls, haters, idiots, and 12 year olds fighting as hard and fast as they can to say absolutely nothing.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Okay. I hope that one of the site's...

    by mrfan

    regular writers gets a chance to place a review. Positive or negative it would nice to read someones familar work. Really hard to trust people not in the inner circle.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    And solobear...

    by Herb West

    I thought the same thing about that 2-FACE photo from THE DARK KNIGHT. A true leaked image that the studios don't want to be seen don't stay on AICN for over 24 hours.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Truth is....

    by Evil_Imp

    I'm not the least bit concerned about negative reviews. It's just the nature of the internet beast. Everyone loves to hate. The litmus test is, the more people hate the film, the better it is going to be for me.

  • May 8, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    I couldn't agree with you more, Herb. That's why I started posting here-I was getting sick and tired of all the juvenile, potty-mouth nonsense that seemed to become more and more prevalent here. Now I can toss a few colorful words out myself now and then, but most of this stuff is becoming truly vile. There is an overall veil of negativity that seems to be almost permanently lowered on many of these talkbacks. It is so much more fun to talk to people who truly appreciate something rather than spend time trying to defend something you treasure from idiots whose only mission is to make themselves, and more and more, this site look idiotic. Let's get back to the basics of being film fans. Only then will OUR influence ever truly be felt.

  • May 8, 2008, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Yeah and one more thing...

    by Herb West

    like you said, it's not only talkbackers that read these posts. I have no doubt that the film industry moniters and keeps tabs on what we talk about. So what must they think when talkbackers have gotten to the point of say, telling the editors and owners of the site about the many ways they are going to be sucking dicks on almost a daily basis. I've been reading these posts all day, and right now, I am embarrassed for them at AICN. Want to turn AICN around? Start by growing some balls.

  • May 8, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Why Can't We All Just Get Along!

    by solobear

    We can talk about film and tv and comics and so one without resorting to the no-I.Q. nonsense that seems to flow pretty freely around here. I don't feel like I need to insult someone because they don't have the same opinion as I do. Regardless of what anyone might say, there IS a line that doesn't really need to be crossed. I mean, c'mon, what does someones genitalia have to do with filmmaking anyway? If you're wondering what I'm talking about, just read some of the vile crap that seems to permeate these talkbacks.

  • May 8, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    People like Peter Jackson, Steven Spielberg and others have said in interviews that they frequently visit this site and read this stuff. So why do you nutballs have to drag thses talkbacks into stinking levels of foul drek. Do you think you're impressing someone? All you're doing is making yourself look incredibly stupid, and giving people reasons to see AICN and its readers look irrelevant. Do everyone a favor, GROW THE FUCK UP or SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

  • May 8, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    everyone just CALM DOWN

    by joel007

    Jeez, go to rotten, they have the old reviews compiled of the previous 3 Indy flicks. And there are critics who flat out ripped those movies - yes - even Raiders! Don't listen to people who go into this thing with some pathetic agenda or small dick complex. Just watch and enjoy.

  • May 8, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    I'm getting my tickets either tomorrow or Friday. My best friend is flying halfway across the country to see INDY with me, and nothing or no one is gonna screw up what is sure to be one helluva good time!!!

  • May 8, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    I was with this review until

    by Yamato

    Temple of Doom was ranked 2nd best of the series!?! Anyone who says that...well, let's just say I am not going to listen to any opinion they have about movies.

  • May 8, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    river chase, best indy chase? blasphemy!

    by Orionsangels

    The truck chase from Raiders will always be the best chase sequence ever put on film!

  • May 8, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Look Good, SMell Good, See A Good Movie. There's no sounder advice to give. Oh- wait a minute-turn off your frickin' cell phones before you enter the theater and don't spend the movie checking your useless text messages. There! I got that out of my system!

  • May 8, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    My Adventure Hat

    by solobear

    I'm still trying to decide if I should wear my fedora to the movie. I'd take it off before the movie started, of course. Decisions, decisions!

  • May 8, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    The Art Of Theater Revenge

    by solobear

    The Possibilities are endless...

  • May 8, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    They're not making movies for talkbackers

    by Gozu

    Big studios make movies that appeal to the widest possible audience, not whiny nerds who anonymously threaten to cut Michael Bay's dick off and feed it to Uwe Boll while shitting on Paul W.S. Anderson's chest. Did that improve the level of discourse for you? You're welcome. They don't care about what we think because we're a fairly small (yet vocal) percentage of their target audience that has been maligned and ridiculed in popular media since, well, message boards have been in existence. So don't worry your pretty little head about the power of the talkbacker. You can say whatever you want because no one is listening.

  • May 8, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    And Parents...

    by solobear

    PLEEEEEZE-keep the babies out of the first days screenings! Some folks get mad at the crying babies, but it's the inconsiderate parents that should be the true target of your ire.

  • May 8, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Ok I've been lurking, I'm back...

    by Ivan Balboa

    First off - Danny G(the original) you are just beautiful man, you never fail to entertain. Gotham_Knight - Why so serious, no seriously, what's up? You ok? Alright I think we all feel of course without further ado...ring the bell and come out punching!

  • May 8, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Gozu sounds whipped and defeated. Gozu is a true master of the art of futility.

  • May 8, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    What a thought...

    by solobear

    Yeah, imagine growing up knowing your parents were killed because they brought you to a movie and you cried because you had a movement...

  • May 8, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    If you've got a baby...

    by solobear

    SHIT HAPPENS! Figure that one out.

  • May 8, 2008, 8:38 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Boy, has this talkback taken a left turn!

  • May 8, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Not Lucas SPIELBERG

    by Megamonki

    directed this movie lucas only had in a 1/3 say in the story not the screenplay

  • May 8, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    INDY...a few more minutes closer

    by solobear's 8:41 p.m. I'm a little closer to another spellbinding Spielbergian adventure. Ain't life grand!!!

  • May 8, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Total Plant!!!

    by kdoc13

    Here's how I know, first, he thought temple of Doom was better than Last Crusade? Oh hell no! And second, he thinks Shia can act. No sir, that tells me that this guy is a plant. Because no one thinks Shia can act.

  • May 8, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST


    by Proman1984

  • May 8, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    yeah right...

    by BBSloth

    How can we take seriously someone that thinks the Temple of Doom is better than Last Crusade? ToD will always be the worst Indy film, I just hope this new one is better than that.

  • May 8, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Crusade the worst!?!?!?

    by The Old New

    Can't take this fellow serious.

  • May 8, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Darabont and Indy IV

    by bustausa

    I checked google and whatnot. Does anyone know if Darabont's script is floating around out there somewhere?

  • May 8, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Merriman - you worthless cunt

    by Laserbrain

    If reveling in the disappointments of others is, to you, better than sex; if seeing the passions of a few harmless film geeks' trampled upon and invalidated is your idea of a good time; if *that's* what constitutes a great day for you then you truly are an emotionally stunted piece of social waste and someone to be pitied. That you have been at this behaviour for almost ten years now makes the tragedy even more poignant. A few years from now when you elect suicide in lieu of what you now call a life I sincerely hope you you will honor us all by posting the note here at AICN. Godspeed, you magnificent asshole.

  • May 8, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Marion's got to be the death

    by performingmonkey

    Shia won't die because...well, it's SHIA! they don't want to upset people!! It was probably in his contract that he has to live and be the hero. Indy won't die because Indy dying in an Indy movie would be really pathetic. If they want to continue the franchise kill Indy offscreen as an old man. ONscreen Indy should always prevail! These leaves Marion. No-one would mention Cate Blanchett or Ray Winstone's characters as 'major deaths' or John Hurt. It's Marion IMO definitely it can be no-one else.

  • May 8, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Temple of Doom is the worst of the bunch

    by The Old New

    Between Raiders and Crusade is a tie. I bet Alien Skull will be on par with ToD, or even worse.

  • May 8, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Oops, got my TB's mixed up.

    by Laserbrain

    Doesn't matter. Merriman will be skulking around here soon enough.

  • May 8, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    I didn't read any of these Indy reviews...

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...or talkbacks. I prefer to make up my mind for myself, and after waiting so long for this, I'd like to get as much enjoyment as possible without watching the film through the lens of the reviewers. But when will Harry post his orgasmic love letter to this movie as he does to all movies that he's decided to love before he's even seen them.

  • May 8, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST


    by El Borak

    that was a mis-statement. it's a side character. don't worry.

  • May 8, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    I know which character dies

    by Ye Not Guilty

    Click here to find out:

  • May 8, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    why the hate for last crusade?

    by bacci40

    and love for temple...temple made me wann puke...crusade made me wanna hug my dad

  • May 8, 2008, 11:08 p.m. CST


    by timmer33

    The truck chase in Raiders is good, but has its shares of flaws. Let's face it, you can see the ditch that Indy is dragged in under the truck. The f/x where the car flies over the cliff doesn't work anymore. The ability to throw a 200 pound man through the windshield with one hand behind his head (while he's sitting) doesn't just border on cartoonish --- it *is* cartoonish. Don't get me wrong, I love the film. It's just that I watched it recently, and that sequence just didn't stand the test of time for me. The best chase sequence in movies though, for me at least, imho, is the final chase from THE ROAD WARRIOR. No f/x to feel dated there. It was all created with stunts. Watch it again, you'll be amazed.

  • May 8, 2008, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Glad I am not obsessed with Indy

    by antonphd

    I'm going to have a total blast with this movie while the people who are obsessed will be dissapointed... sad how not being obsessed means I'll be the happier viewer.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST


    by Uncapie

    "Indy 103.1 FM, that is!""No time for love, Dr. Jones!"


  • May 9, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Had the prequels been great

    by slappy jones

    there would not be this worry or skepticism but we were burnt once so it is really no surprise people are nervous about the quality of this film. I can't wait to see it but I personally feel the prequels are three of the worst movies ever made so I am a little worried. And I am not being over the top or trying to "troll". I FUCKING love star wars but the prequels are awful. to me they don't exist.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Prossor - Fuck you. Crusade IS better than TOD

    by Lamerz

    That is a motherfucking fact

  • May 9, 2008, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Raiders of the Lost Ark IS a perfect piece of cinema

    by Lamerz

    End of discussion.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:20 a.m. CST

    I´m Spielberg´s bitch

    by CuervoJones

    Give me the movie.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Do you remember Sophie Hapgood

    by CuervoJones

    That redhead psychic was a great Indy girl.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Indy does not die

    by CuervoJones

    Don´t you remember the old Indiana Jones in the TV series?

  • May 9, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Lucas is forcing things

    by Jed Black

    I read an interview in which he states that he had this idea, "the macguffin", immediately after Last Crusade. Spielberg and Ford thought it was lame then and said "what else ya' got George?" Lucas responded "It's this or it's nothing!" 20 years go by and nostalgia trumps better judgment and the result is a ridiculous, obscure "MacGuffin" (I hate that term) that requires a lot of explaining and time spent to involve the audience. Lucas seemed completely oblivious and referred to the Holy Grail as underwhelming and anti-climatic. Now, maybe it's just me, but if someone says "Nazi's want THE cup that held Christ's blood!" I say "Oh, FUCK NO!" I'm on board just like that. I know almost everything I need to know with just that much information. Someone says "Russians want a crystal skull." I say "Good for them, the carnival comes to town next week." A minimum two hour conversation is required before I can muster enough enthusiasm to raise my eyebrow. Storytelling 101. You know Lucas went a little Howard Hughes when his movie lost to Annie Hall. Plus, Coppola lost his marbles too, so it must've seemed cool to lil' Georgie.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:09 a.m. CST

    What IS interesting about this particular review is...

    by alucardvsdracula

    He's the only one who mentioned the Ant sequence and that a major character dies! Makes me wonder about the previous reviews actually.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Ms DuPont, I presume?

    by Ommadawn1959

    Your elegant, yet quirky prose and love of Temple o' Doom betray you, Alexandra DuPont.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:04 a.m. CST

    High Hopes

    by bod33

    I may be mad, but i still have high hopes for this movie. Please be good, please be good.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Now this is what im talking bout.....

    by UKfilmfan

    we all know it wont be raiders....but damn this is a good well rounded review Thanks!ShogunMaster NIL BEFORE ZOD!

  • May 9, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay


    Damn You Michael Bay

  • May 9, 2008, 3:55 a.m. CST


    by Literarywanderer

    What happened to Indy dealing with his age? I thought this was supposed to be about an Indy in the twilight of his life. Sounds to me like they're doing what I feared: pretending Harrison is still in his thirties and ignoring the fact that he looks older than Connery in Last Crusade. God Lucas, why the fuck can't you face reality?!?!? Darabont, now I understand you're pain.

  • May 9, 2008, 4:26 a.m. CST

    ranking the movies...

    by digginjim

    of course is a matter of taste, but Raiders is a flat out classic. I was always surprised that the sequels were so different in tone to the original which has a sort of casablanca gritty, pulp feel about it. yep, the characters are much more rounded and the script is sharper than the other movies. But then again I think it would have been a mistake to try a retread raiders in the sequels - LC tried that and we got some kooky semi spoof with 'comedy marcus' and 'comedy sallah'... Connery just saved it from being damn near unbearable. Its certainly the film i revisit the least. I love ToD - took me a few years to see it, but its basically a cartoon - all deep reds and crazy loud Williams score. All the movies have problems with vfx, strangely Raiders the least of all, despite it having the lowest budget. KotCS has the highest budget and will probably look the most cheesy - law of diminishing returns. But hell, its Indy - cool.

  • May 9, 2008, 4:37 a.m. CST

    the most encouraging thing...

    by digginjim

    ...I've read about this movie is that it starts of a bit like Crusade and then turns Raiders when they get to the jungle (some of the new screen shots at certainly suggest this). That'll do me.

  • May 9, 2008, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Ant Sequence

    by Munro Kelly

    I wondered what the "creep factor" scene would be.

  • May 9, 2008, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Can anyone explain

    by kwisatzhaderach

    why they think Last Crusade is a better film than Temple of Doom? I'd be really interested in hearing what people have to say, beyond the usual trite "OMG Capshaw was shit" comments (conveniently forgetting that Alison Doody's performance in Crusade was appalling).

  • May 9, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Temple Of Doom

    by mystic_dreamer

    Definitely my favourite after Raiders. There is some very poor acting in Last Crusade, particularly from Alison Doody and Julian Glover. The green screen stuff in the plane is risible to say the least. Nah, Temple for me.

  • May 9, 2008, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Childhood raping...

    by sapno_krei

    For me, the fear that the franchise could be ruined by this movie -- or any Indy movie -- just isn't there, because Indy's adventures are pretty much standalone and watchable in any order. Like the James Bond series, you can watch the ones you like and skip the ones you don't, and not be any worse for wear. <p>This is in sharp contrast to the STAR WARS movies, which are one large story. I watch STAR WARS this way -- IV, V, III, VI, and that works well for me, but I can't shake the knowledge that I and II were letdowns and I'm skipping a chunk of the story on purpose.

  • May 9, 2008, 5:20 a.m. CST

    The Dubliner

    by Lost Jarv

    Never, ever post an opinion on anything again. Never buy a cinema ticket. And for the love of god, please never breed.

  • May 9, 2008, 5:51 a.m. CST

    So the UFO / Alien stuff from Darrabonts script remains

    by HarryBlackPotter

    That's good, I hope. I've heard though that we only get a glimpse of a UFO right at the end; right after the Loch Ness monster turns up with Hoffa and Big Foot.

  • May 9, 2008, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Oh, that's just my pet Wookie Chewie.

    by Dr Gregory House

    I hate Wookies, Jock! I hate 'em!

  • May 9, 2008, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Indy 3 last?!!

    by 1st and only

    Indy 3 was awesome! The rapport between Ford and Connery was mesmerising. Where as Doom felt over the top and relied too much with filming on sets. It just didn't feel real to me, very cartoonish. One of the most irritating lead women in history too(Speilberg's wife?). If this guy is putting Crusade last then I don't trust his opinion at all...

  • May 9, 2008, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Raiders IS fucking perfect...

    by reni

    ... and the dialogue isn't dopey, mate.

  • May 9, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    That'll do for me!


    if it's as good as the sequels that's cool I love all the Indy films like I love all the original Starwars Trilogy even Jedi but wait a second!... I don't really like the Prequels so maybee this will... Argh!

  • May 9, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST

    he ranked TOD #2?

    by surfsup22

    That movie sucked.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:05 a.m. CST

    I understand...

    by tomdolan04

    the criticism of Crusades slapstick moments but I saw it the other week and Connery's 'Let It Go' line is just perfect. A bit older and wiser than when I first saw it as an action happy 8 year old the significance of 'letting go' things that may ultimately lead to your downfall. I prefer the movie as a whole to Temple, but it admitedly pales to Raiders. <p> Regardless of the quality of this movie I wish they'd left it as a trilogy, as riding into the sunset was a perfect finale.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Fuck the haters

    by Rickey Henderson

    AICN has no problem slobbering all over the candycane colored cockmeat sandwhich that is "Speed Racer" but they can't show a little love for one of the greatest franchises of all time? Rickey calls bullshit. Get me a review from AN ACTUAL Indiana Jones fan, then we'll talk. Enough with the ADD riddled geekdom love for stupid cartoon franchises already. This is goddamned Indiana Jones we're talking about people, you dig?

  • May 9, 2008, 7:35 a.m. CST

    You have a point Rickey.

    by rbatty024

    Speed Racer is getting trashed by the critics but they have no problem sticking up for it, but when a couple of bad reviews come in for Indy 4 they throw it under the bus. You would think they would at least take a wait and see attitude.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Great Ceasar's Ghost

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    It's only 8:30 in the AM and this TB has already exploded. I don't think I can take going through this a third time.<p>I think it's safe to say we're all going to see this in the theater and I'm guessing most of us will probably enjoy it. And the people that hate Shia would drag their sack across a desert of broken glass and swim an ocean of lime juice just to be him. Love him or hate him, he really is living the dream.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    mystic dreamer

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I agree with your points. Plus, Crusade felt like a retread of Raiders. You get sequences at the university, in the desert. A fire (not in Marion's pub, but at the castle). And yeah, the green screen with the blimp and the plane sucked. The best parts of Crusade were the opening exploit (young Indy / cross of Coronado) and Venice. Temple was completely different because Indy is thrust into the action and it's darker.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    OK, so even if we're to believe

    by Abominable Snowcone

    that Indy 4 is not the best, at least it's no Jaws the Revenge or Superman IV Quest for Piss.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST

    It is surprising that there has been a

    by Lost Jarv

    mass explosion of ejaculate over some bullshit cartoon, but not Indy. <P>Is it better to only love more obscure geek subjects?

  • May 9, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Should have set it in space

    by Lost Jarv

    Seriously, the golden rule for successful part 4 of a franchise is ALWAYS SET IT IN SPACE. <P>Leprechaun 4 and Critters 4 are prime examples. As is A New Hope (Star Wars IV), and Alien Resurrection (Only joking).

  • May 9, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    stop it with that retread shit, you'll send diggers into explosions of joy

  • May 9, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    thank you, rbatty024!

    by Rickey Henderson

    Not all of us are on board with irritating children's racing movies. The reviewers of Speed Racer may love candycane colored cocksuckery, but Rickey does not. Here's a dynamite idea: how about giving this Indy fellow a shot? He's kind of a mensch...

  • May 9, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    It's just strange that they're so ready to condemn a film...

    by rbatty024

    they haven't seen. Back when the early reviews of Speed Racer were coming in, and they were mixed at best, they took a more objective attitude. But now that the same thing is happening for Indy 4 they sit there with their arms crossed claiming, "I knew this was gonna suck from the start." I don't know what the difference between the two situations are.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:47 a.m. CST

    better than temple of doom

    by palewook

    is what this reviewer appears to say. which doesn't exactly mean its solid. more for anyone who is absolutely jonesing for the next Dr. Jones movie.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:56 a.m. CST

    The love for Speed Racer over Indy is nauseating

    by Rickey Henderson

    They ain't even in the same freaking league. Indy is an iconic character. An archetypal figure.<br> <br> When I was growing up, there was a big pit in the woods near my house with a vine hanging over it. (For an eight year old, the pit seemed big at the time, but in reality it was probably only 5 feet across. Anyway, I'd go out there, grab on to the vine and swing across that pit while humming the theme to Indiana Jones. I could spent an entire afternoon doing this.<br> <br> My point is that Indy taps into something classic and all american that some cheap, shitty, Japanese imported movie never ever possibly could. And if my kid ever started showing love for this ADD riddled neon tinged Wachowski nonsense, then I'd have no choice to tie 'em to a radiator and beat them with a sack of valencia oranges.

  • May 9, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    Sorry...didn't mean to stir up the miscreants!<p> I'm reading all this stuff about a "lost crystal skull." I'm kind of disappointed. I thought in this one Indy would be looking for his car keys and theatre ticket. Sigh...

  • May 9, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST


    by Mr Gorilla

    were brilliant films.

  • May 9, 2008, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Foolish fanboy mortals

    by Rocco Curioso

    I told you this would be weak, but apparently you're content to sit in that field all night and wait for the Great Pumpkin to arrive. Lucas doesn't like you. Spielberg doesn't like you. They like your money..... A LOT. Mebbe hey used to be innovators, dreamweavers, call 'em whatever salutation seems appropriate. But I'm guessing those first few hundred million $ throws that to the wind. So, by all means, go waste your money on May 22nd (count me out). If yet another reach-around from Uncle George is what gets you off, you probably won't be disappointed.

  • May 9, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Yes, Rocco Curioso, you warned us...

    by Rickey Henderson

    And alas we took no heed to your prophetic fanboy warnings of "I tells ya, this is gonna suck!" And we are so much the poorer for having not heeded your advice. You miserable, joyless fuck. Enjoy your Speed Racer kiddo.

  • May 9, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Rocco, if everyone on these boards listened...

    by rbatty024

    to those who said this or that movie is going to suck, and refused to see the film, then we would have nothing to talk about because no one would be watching any movies. If this site was around in the seventies people would go on and on about how crappy Chinatown looks or that The Godfather is going to be the end for Coppola. Also, no offense, but I trust my opinion more than yours, so I'll be seeing this movie on opening day.

  • May 9, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    junior let it go

    by LarryTheCableGuy

    crusade kicked ass doom kicked ass movies are flawed so are your stupid asses get over it

  • May 9, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Also, the venom towards Lucas is just silly

    by Rickey Henderson

    His foot print on the Indy series is minimal at best. Rickey's sorry that you're unhappy that the Star Wars prequels were little more thas a three part trade and some hollow empty special effects. But this is Indiana Jones, something entirely different. And despite what you think these are Spielberg's films, not Lucas' and they rock as a result.

  • May 9, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Temple of Doom made us go look for Indy hats

    by johnnyg korrupt

    Me and my brother saw it when it came out. Loved the darker tone to it. I mean what kid doesn't like scary things? We made our mom take us out looking for the hat like Indy wears. Considering this was 80s Australia - we must looked like little idiots. Last Crusade came out - and bored us shitless. STory was boring, Connery put us to sleep. And it tried to be a laugh-a-thon slapfest. Wish it would go for a darker tone again.

  • May 9, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    The best parts of RAIDERS were unscripted...

    by sapno_krei

    The swordsman showdown was improvised because Ford was ill, and the truck chase was filmed by a second unit director, with the uner-the-truck stunt having been suggested by a stunt coordinator. not to to take away from Lucas and Spielberg, but some of their best stuff has been accidental or off-the-cuff. <p>Have the Indy sequels been made without room for such serendipity? Not entirely. The big fights in the mine in TOD were filmed around the fact that Ford was injured and resting back in the States. And those scenes turned out pretty well. The fact that Indy's face isn't seen in many shots seems like an artistic choice, rather than a necessity.

  • May 9, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST


    by misnomer

    Marion isnt the death....its Mac. END SPOILERS

  • May 9, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    I believe Vic Armstrong was the stunt director who suggested the under-the-truck bit. In fact, I think Vic played one of the last Nazi guys to climb out the back to fight Indy in the cab.

  • May 9, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    In Soviet Russia, Cate Blanchetts You!

    by Rickey Henderson

    (sorry, but it had to be said)

  • May 9, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    CGI Pat Roach

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Is it true that the late Pat Roach (who played oversized bad guys in the first three movies) was added-in CGI as "Ivan Shonovsky" for the warehouse fight? A cool tribute.<p> I'm just kidding. Would be cool though.

  • May 9, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Still can't get excited for this

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    My fingers are crossed this will be a good one, but somewhere inside my lizard brain is a neuron that is saying: "No, Frank! Let's wait and see. Okay, so this review is a little better than that one from yesterday, but don't you remember The Phantom Menace? Do you really want that to happen again? Caution is the watchword, my man. We will see it on opening day and hope to be pleasantly surprised! Also, don't forget to buy milk on the way home. And Leprechaun In Space rules!"<p>So, those bastards have my money already, but I think I'm keeping my expectations as low as possible.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Is it true

    by Abominable Snowcone

    that Ellen Brody crashes the boat into the shark, and the shark "howls" as it gushes blood? What crap.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST


    by just pillow talk

    If you can enjoy the FF movies, I'm sure you can enjoy the latest installment of Indy, guilt-free!

  • May 9, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Crusade > TOD

    by Pandas

    Someone asked why some people think TOD is the weakest of the first three films, without mentioning the Capshaw element. To me, she had nothing to do with it being not quite as good as Crusade. Even though the Raiders had strong fantasy elements, I still somehow find it fairly believable and gritty in places, or at least, I'm able to suspend my disbelief. It almost seems to take place in the real world, the places, costumes and customs seem to have been at least passingly researched. With Crusade it's a lot harder to suppress you disbelief, but just about possible. With TOD I just can't. it just seems like it's been written by someone who has no idea what is outside the USA and has no idea of physics. I just sit there thinking, "People in India don't eat monkey brains and baby snakes", "Those are fruit bats, giant vampire bats don't exist", "This all seems to be filmed either in a studio or in California", "The mining cart just couldn't make that jump", etc, etc. It just seems like a cartoon, as someone mentioned above. Don't get me wrong, it's lots of fun, but just seems too "unrealistic" compared to the others. I appreciate how ridiculous it is to complain about a lack of realism in the Indy films, but TOD just seems more like the Goonies than an Indy flick. Good fun, but childish nonsense at the same time.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Everyone should enjoy Fantastic Four!

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    They are misunderstood modern masterpieces and sure to be re-evaluated in years to come, jpt. Mark my words!<p>Still, I would very much like to enjoy this new Indy adventure for being, well, an enjoyable adventure, and not for being a ludicrous clusterfuck. You know I love the ludicrous clusterfucks, but I believe Dr Jones deserves better.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    So are there farting robot Ewoks and a dance off or what?

    by skycrapper

    Sorry Talk Back carry over...

  • May 9, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Oh, I agree, Indy shouldn't be a ludicrous clusterfuck

    by just pillow talk

    And I don't think it will be, but only time will tell...<p>I give ya shit all the time on FF, but I confess I enjoy the Daredevil extended version, and I know I am in the extreme minority in that one!

  • May 9, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Indiana Jones & The Collected Works Of The Pixies

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    All this arguing over which is the best/worst Indiana Jones film hurts my brain, much as it does when I am asked which is my favourite Pixies album. I can't separate them!<p>If pushed, though, I'd have to say I like The Last Crusade the least, mostly due to the silliness and self-referencing that started to creep in. Also, I can't stand Sean Connery.<p>In conclusion, The Last Crusade is the Trompe Le Monde of Indy adventures - still better than most film, but not up there with what came before in the series.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    here's what I hope for Frankie...

    by just pillow talk

    That this fourth installment makes me actually think hard as to the order in which to put in against all the previous ones. If it does that, I think it's succeeded in making another worthy Indy film.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Daredevil question for JPT

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Is the extended version good-good or stupid-good?<p>A couple of people have recommended it to me, but what the hell do they know? They didn't like Fantastic Four (philistines!).<p>Tell the truth, all I remember about the original version is Jennifer Garner's midriff, which I believe is among the finest midrifs on the planet. Mmmm... what was I talking about?

  • May 9, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    ToD > Crusade...?

    by Rickey Henderson

    Yeah, I could see that. I love all the Indy flicks pretty equally in their own way, but I agree that ToD does have that Goonies feel to it. My gripes with ToD are as follows:<br> <br> 1) Not tnough globe trotting. They go from Shanhai to India then they stay in India for the durations of the movie. For a decent Indy movie, you need that red line traversing a map of the world at least twice.<br> <br> 2) No Nazis. Sorry, but it ain't an Indy movie if he's not whomping on Nazis. At least they're trying to make concessions with the Soviets for the new one... we'll see if it works.<br> <br> 3) Not enough vehicular action. Yes, the mine cart scene was fun, but you need Indy involved in car chases, planes, tanks, etc.<br> <br> All that having been said, ToD is a fun 80's movie that's very much like the Goonies. It just feels out of place compared to the other two Indy flicks.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST


    by just pillow talk

    Jen's "performance" is riveting....<p><p><p><p>Sorry, what?<p><p>Oh yes, it just explains how the cops end up showing up at the Kingpin's place at the end, and how Coolio divulges what he knows. <p>If you didn't like the theaterical release one bit, I can't see you enjoyed the extended version....

  • May 9, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Marmoset, I'm going to steal your quote.

    by rbatty024

    "The Last Crusade is the Trompe Le Monde of Indy adventures." That is fucking classic. The analogy is genius. Even a lesser Indiana Jones film (whether you pick Crusade or Temple) is better than just about any other adventure film out there.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Anything featuring Jennifer Garner

    by Abominable Snowcone

    in skimpy or tight clothing causes an "extended edition" in my pants.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    that's why I had to watch Electra....

    by just pillow talk

    Sometimes one has to take one for the team...

  • May 9, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Maybe I'll give it a go, jpt

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    We haven't done the transatlantic DVD exchange in a while, so why not give a chance to Daredevil. I do like Jennifer Garner, so it won't be a complete waste of time. Mind you, I sat through 13 Going On 30 the other day (it was a very boring Sunday afternoon), and I did not enjoy it even a little bit.<p>For rbatty024 - I agree completely. They're all good things. The BBC has been on the ball recently and has shown all three, and I was suprised by how well they all held up. Let's hope this new one doesn't let the side down.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Frankie, I caught the end of that movie...

    by just pillow talk

    I have to say that I'm quite glad I did not see what came before the ending....

  • May 9, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Aaaah, Elektra

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Jesus, that was fucking awful, and not even in a funny retarded way. Just an old-fashioned, vanilla flavoured turd.<p>But still, that outfit... She does look damn fine in that outfit. I don't know how many crunches she does each morning, but every one of them is worth it.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    TOD = PoS

    by palewook

    just watch the 1st few minutes. if a raft-chute onto a mountain doesn't make you zone out...

  • May 9, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    yep, even a lesser Indy movie is brilliant

    by Rickey Henderson

    Rickey doesn't dig Temple of Doom as much as the other movies, but that scene where Indy is fighting with the slavemaster on the conveyor belt and his head is about to get crushed never ceases to cause Rickey to get hold his breath. That shot is tense--modern movie action sequences don't convey that sort of suspense. Or maybe you're not a huge Crusade fan, but you can't argue that the theme John Williams created for the Jones Boys is just pure awesomeness.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    a good assessment of it Frankie...

    by just pillow talk

    A complete missed opportunity to make a good turd. It should have been written in her contract for every movie she does that the midriff must be shown 83.6% of the time.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST


    by just pillow talk

    As someone who enjoys all three Indy movies, I agree with what you said about each one. Sorry palewook, you are completely and utterly wrong! :-)

  • May 9, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Elektra as a movie was poor

    by Abominable Snowcone

    as Jennifer Garner in tight red leather, I was okay with it. The movie even had four villains with "elemental powers," like the dudes in "Ghost Rider." Note to Marvel Studios: cut that out

  • May 9, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    3d best in the series?? LOL! This gets better and better!

    by Merriman Lyon

    What, as in: it's NOT AS GOOD as one of those MEDIOCRE sequels spawned by the excellent Radiers? LOL! What kind of recommendation is that! Not only does this PLANT fail to limit the damage of the two authentic reviews, he actually damns 'Crystal Skull' even further. Oh, this is too much! Temple od Doom and Last Crusade are worthless and should never have been made. I tells me everything about this movie that the reviewer thinks this is in the same league! Oh for God's sake! I TOLD YOU SO!

  • May 9, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST you read these things before you post them?

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    You decided to make up the name Harry Steele for this the last sentence in this review clearly states that he wishes to be called "Officially Relieved"....why give him some ridiculous nickname you have for your penis? It just screams plant to me.

  • May 9, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Last Crusade is the best Indy Movie so far

    by ev1ldead

    so I don't give a fuck about the review and a ratsass about the boring rant of wannabe comicbookguy "merriman lyon". Even if Crystal Skull is a little weaker than Temple of Doom it still will be better than all Pirates of the Caribean and Mummy-Flicks combined.

  • May 9, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Merriman Lyon

    by Sithdan

    You're a moron.

  • May 9, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    O and TOD is the worst one....

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    if you have to rank best to worst TOD is it, it's all Capshaws fault, short round tried his damndest to make up for her hysterics and over the top "I learned to act form 1930's musicals and silent film arm waving" performance...actually it's Lucas's fault, cause he didn't stop that casting choice (what are ya gonna do though, Spielberg wants to cast his Poontang, could you tell him no at the pinnacle of his career..coming of of 4 Oscars (8 nominations) from Raiders?) and while I'm on that subject let's see what this does to people...Temple of Doom won 1 Oscar...Last Crusade 0 noms...should that count for anything in the ranking system? (if it does my whole argument is out the window)

  • May 9, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    o snap...

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    I take it all back..Last Crusade won for Best Sound Effects editing, and also recieved noms for best score and sound...practically none of which either Lucas or Spiel's can really take credit for

  • May 9, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    just so ya know

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    TOD won for Best Visual Effects..again, not really such a pimp Oscar, like Best Director would be...Spiel's knows that feeling (2 wins actually), but Lucas NEVER will.

  • May 9, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Merriman Lyon

    by slone13

    <p>You told me nothing. And Sithdan's right, you are, indeed, a moron.</p> <p>Now get back under your bridge, jackass. I hear some billy goats coming.</p>

  • May 9, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Who ranks TOD 2nd!? Ever!?

    by Baked

    Raiders, Last Crusade ... and let Temple of Doom and Crystal Skull duke it out for last.

  • May 9, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but Visual Effects Oscars a crock of shit

    by Rickey Henderson

    Half the time they don't make any sense whatsoever. In what parallel universe does the Golden Compass beat ILM's work on Transformers?

  • May 9, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST


    by Proman1984


  • May 9, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    I like your enthusiasm Proman

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Uncle Steve's been good to us.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Oscars for Best Visual Effects...

    by sapno_krei

    ...are unofficially "Best Picture with Visual Effects In It." Hence, good movies with only "okay" fx beating bad movies with awesome fx.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    You're clutching at straws, Lucas whipping boys.

    by Merriman Lyon

    Seriously - you're pinning your hopes on this one review that says 'Crystal Skull' isn't terrible - it's just below average? And THAT gives you hope?? Have things really fallen to that level for Lucas apologists? What's next? You'll be praising Indy IV for being in colour and having sound?<p>Oh, and I'm not a troll, by the way: I've been pointing out logically and systematically FOR MONTHS how 'Crystal Skull' will suck. And this in spite of the most pathetic blind facts-ignoring faith from the Lucasboys. And now I've been proven right - so it's my turn to say, I TOLD YOU SO.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Of course Raiders is the best

    by I Dunno

    It's my favorite movie of all time and I'm a fucking film student who had to watch a lot of pretentious foreign shit.<p>But Temple of Doom...when the movie starts ans Indy is a cold hearted mercenary prick who trades a sacred artifact for a diamond and drags a child and an innocent woman for "fortune and glory", to someone who gives it all up to save some random Indian village and some children....that's fucking character development. </p><p> So is threatening to blow up the Ark of the Covenant to get his girl back and care less about the Holy Grail compared to saving his father. These movies are fucking deep. Hopefully this one will be too.</p>

  • May 9, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Merriman Lyon

    by I Dunno

    Could you give us a list of your favorite movies? <p>And please don't say Citizen Cane or 2001.</p>

  • May 9, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    The correct ranking order of the Star Wars saga

    by Merriman Lyon

    Great to see the Lucasboys applying their blinkered, CGI-fixated perspectives to the order of Star Wars movies. Here's mine. The six movies are all in their correct place. All true fans will agree.<p>1. The Empire Strikes Back<p>2. Star Wars (No, I'm not calling it 'A New Hope'. That's bullshit.<p>Return Of The Jedi<p>4. No other movie elligible to be called a Star Wars movie.<p>5. No other movie elligible to be called a Star Wars movie<p>6. No other movie elligible to be called a Star Wars movie.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    TOD is better than Last Crusade!!!

    by Theforce23

    I get tired of people talkin trash and cussin out people who have opinions. It's inappropriate and makes one look like a fool. I happen to think TOD is more in line with the serials than Last Crusade and like it better but thats my opinion. I respect everyone else's opinion. You dont see me throwing insults around. Grow up people!

  • May 9, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Merriman - how have you been proved right?

    by just pillow talk

    And because there are those who have hopes for this latest installment (BTW, they were all good), we are "Lucas whipping boys"? Since you've been in these threads for MONTHS, then you should know that most base their hope on Stevie, not Georgie. <p>And who's pinning their hopes on this review? My hopes are based on the last trailer, which gave me a good feeling. <p>So you've told us nothing. You need a review from someone you don't know to prove yourself right over a movie you haven't even seen?

  • May 9, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    The correct ranking order of the Indiana Jones movies

    by Merriman Lyon

    1. Raider Of The Lost Ark (note: it's not called 'Indiana Jones and the Raiders Of the Lost Ark'. That's bullshit.)<p>2. There are no other legitimate Indiana Jones movies.<p>3. There are no other legitimate Indiana Jones movies.<p>4. There are no other legitimate Indiana Jones movies.<p>

  • May 9, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Good God, Pillow talk, did you even SEE the trailer?

    by Merriman Lyon

    It's geriatric blandness is confirmation of EXACTLY what these THREE reviews have been talking about: this movie is mediocre at best. It should never have been made.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Merriman Lyon

    by slone13

    <p>1.Your lists are incorrect.</p> <p>2.You are a troll.</p> <p>3.I told YOU so.</p> <p>4.End of story.</p> <p>5.Good day.</p>

  • May 9, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Wow, Merriman...

    by sapno_krei

    With your so-called ranking orders, you have made your opinion and tastes irrelevant to most of the people who visit this site. Context and perspective are wonderful things, I tell ya.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    um, yeah, I did say so in my previous post

    by just pillow talk

    But continue with your hate pilgrimage. I for one will be checking out this Indy movie, and whether it's good or fails to meet my expectations, I'll find out for myself.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    I agree with all his thoughts and ratings on previous films

    by FleshMachine

    including the lost world "bleh"...seeing that we may have similar feeling about those other movies...this review gives me hope!!!! i remmeber after seeing crusade (at 17 i think) that the fantastical stuff seemed too far fetched...but then i realoized that raider and doom had the same elements (the end of raiders for gods sake!!! how can we forget how utterly fantastical that was!?) I WILL OPEN MY MIND!!!!

  • May 9, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Most Accurate Indy Movie Grades

    by Da B-Meister

    Raiders - A++ Temple of Doom - B+ Last Crusade - B

  • May 9, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    The Lost World

    by sapno_krei

    Didn't like it, but I do think that the trailer-hanging-off-the-cliff scene would have worked great in an Indy movie.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Raiders bases everything in reality ..

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    the entire fucking film is based in the real world, with the Ark and the final showdown and confirmation of God's powers being the only "Fantasy" element involved...that's what makes it head and shoulders above the rest, by the time indy screams at marion to "not look at it, keep your eyes shut" you believe that it can happen, cause everything beforehand was based in reality... Temple disregards this right out of the gate with the inflatable raft/parachute scene....all the way to the mine cart sequence...shit that couldn't happen Crusade did it's best to clone the reality set forth in Raiders,but just falls a little short in the delivery..not to mention the fact that Marcus Brody becomes a bumbling c-3po who got lost in his own museum...he was as smart as Indy and ready to go with him if he were younger in Raiders...he even says so...but then they needed some more comic relief, like naming Indy after the dog...jumpin the shark

  • May 9, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Merriman Lyon

    by solobear

    Feel pity for the poor fool, Agent Johnson. It is obvious that whatever brain cells the indistinguished Merriman Lyon possessed departed his fucked up head a looong time ago.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST

    I don't want to say raping my childhood ...

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    but you should have seen what i was wearing..i was asking for it

  • May 9, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    All 3 Indy films...

    by solobear

    All three INDIANA JONES films are entertaining. They may not have gone in the direction that some of you might have wanted, but they're not you're films. They belong to George Lucas and Steven Spielberg. And contrary to what you might think, there are plenty of us who think that what they have done in the past is terrific, and we are not doubting what they are doing now.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    If those of you reality junkies out there atren't getting what you want from these films, that's too damn bad. If you want reality, save your money, stay home and watch CNN, the Discovery Channel or The Learning Channel. Like Agent Johnson says, these are fantasy adventures. If you can't suspend your disbelief, then you shouldn't call yourself a film fan in the first place.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by just pillow talk

    That's why I sign each of my DVD copies. I then try and resell them for five times their value. <p>Still waiting.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Johnson's Theory...

    by solobear

    I have no problem with those ideas, Agent. My problem lies with these pricks who are dissing something they haven't had the opportunity to view yet. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but why don't you wait to form it until you've seen the entire picture. If you let the reviewers make up your minds for you, then you have become brainwashed. Don't talk trash about these films until you know the full story, which I would venture to say the majority of you DON'T.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    yeah, I don't get the realistic angle either...

    by just pillow talk

    Getting the idol for real = dead<p>The whole truck scene = dead<p>Like solobear said, you have to enjoy them for their escaptistic (making up a new word) value.

  • May 9, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Suspension of disbelief

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    may have worked in 1952, but not today, I can't suspend my belief that a 64 year old man wouldn't break his hip when he crashes threw the windsheild of a moving truck and has time to get off a one liner before knocking out 2 baddies with his old elbows...I mean, honestly...if that's what entertains you, then by all means blow some more money up Georgie's ass, as for me, I gave at the office.

  • May 9, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    so then HitchCock...

    by just pillow talk

    You must have trouble finding a movie that fits your criteria then? Almost every single movie requires some level of suspension of belief.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Raiders "based in the real world"???

    by slone13

    <p>This is a discussion in semantics. Raiders had melting faces. I'm far more likely to "believe" in an inflatable raft parachute than the power of God melting a man's face like candle wax.</p> <p>But then again, I'm completely capable to suspending my disbelif whenever I so chose.</p>

  • May 9, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST

    by solobear

  • May 9, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Hitchcock should watch Megaforce

    by Abominable Snowcone

    It will either convert him or kill him. Either way, problem solved

  • May 9, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    you better not say Sex in the City HitchCock

    by just pillow talk

  • May 9, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Apologies,my mistake: 'Crystal Skull' actually rocks!

    by Merriman Lyon

    Sorry, guys, I don't know what came over me. You're right, and your well-reasoned arguments have won me over. Because, y'know what? This is a great series of movies. Lucas and Spielberg spend their time creating these moments of movie magic - these moments of pure perfection. And all for our entertainment. Just stop and think about what they do. The hard work. The inspiration. The craft and experience. And all for little or no money. I bow before these Gods of Cinema.<p>From the moment they hatched their idea to do a new Indy movie, twenty years after the last one; from the moment they made it be about crystal skulls - in fact, from the very inspired moment they decided to call it 'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull', this movie was destined for greatness. Not goodness - greatness. We should all be thankful. I know I am - now that I've seen the error of my ways. And that's partly thanks to you guys.<p>Hey, wait a minute, look at the facts. Read the reviews. This movie's a piece of shit - and always was going to be a piece of shit.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I do....

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    I do have trouble finding movies that fit my criteria....I like movies that don't pander to the lowest common denominator, i like films that destroy pre-concieved notions of what is right or wrong about or society, i like movies that get under your skin and make you uncomfortable... i like being treated like an adult by a filmmaker and making my own inferences as to the "Point" of the film. those are some pretty wild ideas I know...but it's what I like...and also, I never once decided that this new flick was gonna suck or be worse than the others or anything like that, I will go see it, just buy a ticket for something else like I did for the last 2 of the new star wars flicks...He got my last dollar with Phantom Menace...he will never get another penny from me...but i will go see this and hopefully I will have a good time...but the trailers do not imply that I will.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Merriman Lyon

    by slone13

    I said "Good day", sir.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    What's the goddamned problem here?

    by Rickey Henderson

    Rickey leaves for an hour or so and the doubting thomases appear? Ok, look, we all had our little fun a year ago with the INDIANA JONES AND THE ____________!!!! talkbacks, but now funtime is over kids. Dr. Jones is back, complete with bullwhip, fedora, and crankyness. And he's going to beat up the Havard Yacht Slub, a whole shitload of godless Myans, E.T., Cate Blanchett, and Joe Stalin himself. What's the goddamned hold up here? What part of the greatest action hero returning for a new exciting adventure is unclear to you fuckwits?

  • May 9, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    All films are, in one form or another, ascapist entertainment. The majority of them require some form of suspension of disbelief. When I go to a movie, I turn reality off at the door. Then I can enjoy the movie for what it is for. Otherwise I'd waste my viewing time going, "Oh, that's fake," or "They can't really do that," or some other load of garbage like that. And when that happens, there goes the fun of the whole thing. I don't believe in Superman, talking apes, sound in space, people living inside my computer, or countless other things. But they are all imporatnt forms of entertainment for me, and have been for many, many years. What exactly are all of you reality junkies trying to find anyway?

  • May 9, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    I believe

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    that Iron man is a documentary if im not mistaken

  • May 9, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I mean seriously: what the everloving fuck?

    by Rickey Henderson

    This isn't some flimsy tier-3 Marvel character: this is goddamned Indiana Jones, an American institution! What part of how this is the equivalent of Thomas Jefferson's face on Mount Rushmore suddenly coming to life and giving the statue of Libery a cleavland steamer is unclear to you?

  • May 9, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Where did ya'll misunderstand me?

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    I LOVE Raiders, and ALIEN, And ALIENS, and BttF...I love escapism, but it has to be somewhat grounded...or it becomes parody.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Paying attention to reviews...

    by solobear

    The first film reviews that I paid attention to were in 1978,when I began watching SNEAK PREVIEWS on PBS. I got a kick out of watching the supreme team of Siskel and Ebert, but I watched it more to see the clips from the films than to let them make up my mind for me about what films I chose to see. Their opinions were interesting, but at no time did what they said sway me from watching anything. Now, these many years later, I still read reviews, but only for two things. 1.) Curiosity and 2.)To see whether any of there opinions are close to what I think. Nothing more, mothing less. And for five and a half years, I reviewed films for a local radio station, and I knew from the get-go that when I went in to see any film, I needed to check any pre-conceived notions or biases I had at the door, and watch the film with an open mind. I had sirp[rises both good and bad, but it was well worth it. And I think it's a lesson that many of these pre-release nay-sayers should take into consideration.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    and I don't wanna see Dr. Jones

    by HitchCock'n'Balz

    become a fucking joke...

  • May 9, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    like Darth Vader did

    by HitchCock'n'Balz


  • May 9, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST


    by MattmanReturns

    "look at the facts. Read the reviews. This movie's a piece of shit - and always was going to be a piece of shit." Since when does someone's opinion equate fact? What an objective outlook you have. How about I see the movie along with the rest of the planet and decide for myself. A couple of negative reviews from people with anti-Lucas agendas does not mean the movie is bad. I'll see it for myself. I have no idea whether it will be good or bad, but I will not fabricate a predetermined opinion based on something only a few people have seen. Sorry.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    How is one adventure better than the other?

    by strosmer

    The third best? I didnt read the review, but why is there any ranking system going on with the Indy movies at all? Clearly they are each distinct in tone, humor, and action. I suspect this one carries on in that tradition. You can argue the qualitative points of these movies until youre (for some reason my apostrophe key isnt working) blue in the face. In the end, these films are nothing more than an homage to the serial format and not meant to be taken that seriously. Why bring so much expectation to it? Im looking forward to seeing Indy in action again no matter what anyone has to say about it.<p>What the fuck is it with this damned apostrophe key?!

  • May 9, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST


    by Rickey Henderson

    How is one adventure better than the other? It depends on what Indy's looking for, where he's looking for it, and what the set pieces are. Because while all the flicks are great, they're certainly not all equal. For example, if Indy's adventure in the fourth movie involved sitting down with his accounting to file his tax return, then we could safely conlcude that this adventure would be subpar compared to his previous ones.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Mattman: you are joking, right?

    by Merriman Lyon

    'I will not fabricate a predetermined opinion'? Oh, I see. Such as claiming that some obviously fair and balanced reviews are written by 'people with anti-Lucas agendas?' Oh, you joker! Would your name be 'Pot', by any chance? Those reviewers were clearly people who LIKE the Indy franchise. But 'Crystal Skull' sucks and they're calling it like they see it.<p>So when the hundreds - even thousands - of other negative reviews start pouring in, are you going to claim that all these people are part of the global anti-Lucas conspiracy?<p>Of course you are. Because you are a Lucas apologist. A Lucas whipping-boy. You're still saying the prequels were great Star Wars movies.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Er, Dannyglover...

    by Merriman Lyon

    If it helps, I don't know what you're talking about. If it doesn't help, it doesn't really matter.

  • May 9, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST


    by MattmanReturns

    HAHAHAHA. I HATED Episode I and II. I did enjoy Revenge of the Sith, aside from the "I love YOU more" shit. When and *if* hundreds or thousands of negative reviews show up, I'm still gonna see the movie and decide for myself. That must really piss you off.

  • May 9, 2008, 2 p.m. CST


    by just pillow talk

    Apes do talk.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by Rickey Henderson

    So you're Harry Steele, eh? Nice write up. Question time: does the movie go as far as to actually show a live alien or a UFO? Is the action well shot? And most importantly, Marion, is she still fuckable?

  • May 9, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Merriman, you call everyone Lucas whipping boys...

    by just pillow talk

    Yet you are basing your facts on someone else's review, so you are letting someone else tell you how YOU will feel about a movie. Sheep.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST


    by just pillow talk

    I can tell you just from the quick look of Marion in the trailer: Yes. Quite.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    But she's like 85... how is this even possible?

    by Rickey Henderson

    Move aside Morgan Fairchild, Rickey's just found himself a new GILF.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Saw the first half of 'Sith' on TV before I tuned out...

    by Merriman Lyon

    - and it was clearly the worst of them. I switched over round about the time some piece of CGI was whacking some other piece od CGI over the head with a long piece of CGI. And apparently, Anakin does this comical 'NOOOOOOOOOOOO!' bit at the end.<p>Couldn't care less about you going to see 'Crystal Skull' (Crystal Skull? - tell me that's a 'Revenge Of The Jedi' -style deliberate fake title, please). It's your funeral. You pay to have your childhood raped. My money stays in my wallet - out of Lucas' hands. And there's nothing you can do about it.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    You're lying, Merriman

    by MattmanReturns

    You are definitely pissed. You're pissed you can't convince people not to see this movie.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST


    by gringostar

    Dude you are dead on! Kate Capshaw totally ruined that movie - horrible actress, this combined with a weak story that featured glowing stones and no Nazis... nuff said! In regards to the Oscars, in my mind they don't mean shit. The Oscars are not voted on by the movie going public and therefore are completely irrelevant. They don't even make for interesting television anymore. HitchCock'n'Balz, your argument is sound. well done sir!

  • May 9, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Rickey, but

    by strosmer

    we can also safely conclude he won't be sitting with his accountant and filing his tax return. We're (hey, apostrophe key is working again) actually in agreement on at least one point - they're not all equal, they are each distinct. And does it depend what he's looking for, where he's looking for it, and what the set pieces are? Not for me. What matters to me is that he is looking for something new in some new exotic place and that there are new set pieces - that Indy is, in fact, on new adventure. Does that mean that when I see the movie I'll love it no matter what? No. But I'll give the movie it's fair chance and not go in with any preconceived notions about it (not to say you won't do the same thing).

  • May 9, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Oh, pillow talk, please keep up.

    by Merriman Lyon

    I called this movie six months ago. I was one of the first to state that this movie would suck. And that was based on the information coming out about the movie. The reviews now confirm it. Many Lucas apologists gave me flak back then. And now it turns out I was right. It's my moment of glory - and nothing anyone can say will spoil that. You guys had your turn praising a movie that was clearly msconceived. But the facts are now out. Bring on more reviews. You think they'll be any different from these ones? Ha! Even the 'good' review states that 'Crystal Skull' IS NOT AS GOOD as the mediocre 'Temple Of Doom'! !! Like, I say: bring on more reviews. Let's read 'em.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    My Review Of The New INDIANA JONES.......

    by thelordofhell

    Cereal. Kellogs' Limited Edition Indiana Jones Cereal At first I was waiting in anticipation for the new cereal. After all, it seems to have the best parts of two of the most popular cereals in the line (Cocoa Puffs with Marsmallow Bits), and by looking at the preview on the box, it appears to be quite delicious. My taste buds were prepared for what must be a flavor paradise. I mean, this cereal is being made by the titans of the worlds' cereal makers. You would think that these genuises of the genre would not put out a cereal that would disappoint. I was wrong. The flavorless cocoa puffs get soggy fast and taste like pieces of mush in the mouth. The marshmallows suffer from the same blandness as well as looking for the most part like rotten eggs. It's just amazing that I was snookered by the familiar look of this cereal just by looking at the box and the name, it just wasn't the same experience as the other cereals. Shame on the cereal makers for playing with my emotions. My rating: 2 stars **

  • May 9, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    The best 3 Indiana Jones are

    by The Old New

    Raiders, Crusade and Atlantis

  • May 9, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Although, strosmer...

    by Rickey Henderson

    If they were to make a movie focusing on Indy sitting down with his accountant to file his taxes, it might be fun. The IRS has had it with Indy claiming Short Round as a dependent: that kid is like 40! And what the deal with all of Indy's charitible donations to mongoose husbandry programs?

  • May 9, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST


    by MattmanReturns

    There have also been two good reviews of the movie... which are about as credible as the negative reviews. So really you're just ignoring the facts in favor of your predetermined bias. I applaud your tenacity though. Golf clap.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Temple of Doom is really good

    by The Old New

    If you're looking for a parody.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Going to be a great summer!

    by batzilla

    We got this (which I think just may suck donkey balls but who gives a shit?!) and we have Wall*E, The Chronicles Of Narnia: Prince Caspian, The Incredible Hulk! But, most of all...THE DARK KNIGHT! FUCK YEAH!! And I still haven't seen Iron Man (maybe tonight!) and Speed Racer as well! WOOHOO!! Great summer indeed. unless they all suck. Which is possible. Except The Dark Knight! No fucking way that it'll suck! CAN'T WAIT!!!

  • May 9, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Merriman Lyon: can Rickey pay you for your services?

    by Rickey Henderson

    Because Rickey is sorely in need of an random internet jackass telling him what's going to suck six months from now. For example: Rickey's got some canned peaches he's looking forward to eating shortly. Will they suck? Also, Rickey's going to be attending a Mets game in a few days. Will that also suck? Rickey was planning on relentlessly railing your mother this evening. Will this also suck? For these brilliant prophetic tidbits, Rickey will gladly pay you a sum of $1.8 million!

  • May 9, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST


    by hollywoodsummers

    RAIDERS is hands down the best. We all know that. In fact in a Star Wars comparison I'd even say that it's better than A New Hope (but I think Empire is the best of that series). DOOM is the least of the 3 Indy's and here's why. After a fun opening in China, the whole movie grinds to a halt until the Bugs/Crusher Chamber sequence wich is followed by some more slowness until the Freeing of the Children and Mine Car. Love the Bridge seen, but CAN'T STAND WILLY SCOTT!! Short Round doesn't bother me as much as it does others. The Muguffin is the weakest too, three rocks no ones really heard of and the Kali cult (and the bridge) is a stright rip fron Gunga Din. I like things about the film, but it's flawed. CRUSADE is a close second best beacuse you get so much more insight into Indy's character (his childhood, relationship with dad and issues with faith) and also way more ACTION! The film moves well until they go to Venice, which slows until the Boat chase which I like, then the movie steps up a huge notch when you bring Ford and Connery together (loved their chemistry). We get the Motorcycles and Plane chase then the Tank, which could be the best overall Indy chase seen of all the films (yes I do love the Truck in Raiders too). The film does die after the Tank, but putting a bullet in Connery's stomach does raise a little tension. This one also has the best score of the three, but only because Williams was able to build on what he started with Raiders. So it's 1) Raiders 2) Crusade 3) Doom and from what I know about Crystal Skull (which is a ton, but I won't say how) I think it will fit nicely behind Crusade at #3. There is some amazing action scenes, and set peices and some great charcter acting by some of the best in the business. Are there moments when people might wish they didn't "go there", yes, but I say let it go... we get one more Indy film to debate and compare. I know one thing... IT WON'T BE PHANTOM MENACE! but it may be along the lines of SITH.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Merriman Lyon

    by strosmer

    Congratulations on your moment of glory. Quite the accomplishment. I do believe AICN has a "Greatest Caller of the Year" award up for grabs, and you are definitely a shoe-in for it. I would also think your chances are good for taking home "Talkbacker Least Capable of Forming Their Own Opinion About a Movie." Man, walkin' home with two AICN awards in your hands will no doubt make you a big hit with the ladies, and the envy of every nerd on the planet. Well done.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    how is this your "moment of glory"?

    by just pillow talk

    Dude, you're pathetic. Again, you are just looking for anyone to back up YOUR opinion, i.e. "mediocre Temple of Doom". See, that's YOUR opinion.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by Merriman Lyon

    On AICN talkbacks, pointing out that Indy IV will suck DOES take special ability, believe me! With all the blind, fact-ignoring sycophants around here? As obvious as it is to any sane person of average intelligence that this movie is an aberration, you have to tell these people again and again before they can see it. And that takes persistence - take my word for it. I've been pointing out the logical facts for months and months - and even though the reviews have started coming in CONFIRMING IN DETAIL EXACTLY WHAT I POINTED OUT, some people just don't get it. Because they are sheep. Sheep who've voluntarily removed their own brains and are now unable to think for themselves.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST

    The Truth About Merriman

    by solobear

    I think he's one of those guys that's locked up in the basement of gunshop run by a pervert, and he's taking his frustrations out on us!!!

  • May 9, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by hollywoodsummers

    I had a lot of typos, but I was typing fast and have to do real work now

  • May 9, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST


    by strosmer

    You may be onto something there.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    you're a joke Merriman

    by just pillow talk

    Calling other people sheep when it is you who has made up his mind about a movie he has not seen.<p>See, most of us are anxious to see this new Indy movie, and are hopeful that it will be good. Do we know that it will be good? No. Do you know why genius? <p>Because we haven't seen the fucking movie yet!<p>You're as pointy headed as NoDiggity.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Holy fuck, Merriman Lyon is actually Morpheus!

    by Rickey Henderson

    All this time we've had it all wrong, but this kind fellow Merriman Lyon, much like Morpheus from "The Matrix," has been hard at work trying to enlighten us to the reality of the situation. And now we all know that Indy IV sucks, we've broken free from The Matrix, and are better and more evolved for it. Well done sir.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Merriman will be first in line

    by MattmanReturns

    He's too obsessed with the movie not to see it. Otherwise he'd be able to shut the fuck up about it. He will secretly enjoy it (even if it DOES suck), and he'll never be able to tell anyone. Kinda sad, actually.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Mr. Lyon...

    by solobear

    How the Hell do you know that INDY 4 is going to suck? Are you a fucking clairvoyant or something? Or are, as many of us think, some bitter Lifetime Channel movie buff who thinks he knows more about films than the rest of us? You wouldn't know a good movie if it ran up and kicked you in the nutsack. But then again. You sure think that you talk the talk, but the words issuing forth from your pie hole are meaningless to the true fans. We know enough to ignore your pander. Listen, you crotch sniffing maggot, I just got done purchasing my tickets online for INDY 4, and I am dancing a jig knowing that you, for whatever reason, won't be there. THERE IS A GOD!!!

  • May 9, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by The Old New

    I think you've hit the right spot about the series. Can't say the same about Indy IV, but that's because I haven't watched it yet. I doesn't look good, though.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by The Old New

    I think you've hit the right spot about the series. Can't say the same about Indy IV, but that's because I haven't watched it yet. Ir doesn't look good, though.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by The Old New

    I think you've hit the right spot about the series. Can't say the same about Indy IV, but that's because I haven't watched it yet. It doesn't look good, though.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    ouch sorry fellows

    by The Old New

    I thought I could it stop it from posting.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Danny boy...

    by just pillow talk

    You're absolutely correct.<p>Except for the last part....heh-heh-heh...

  • May 9, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Pre-release TBs are the best...

    by sapno_krei

    These frenzied talkbacks over early reviews remind me of high school: <p>One of my high school History teachers was dumb enough to give the same version of his exams to all his classes. So, invariably, someone who already took the exam would pass out the answers she wrote down on a scrap of paper to her friends. Of course, this person was a total moron, and when she got a D on an exam, so did all of her friends.<p>The lesson: Anyone who bases their opinion solely on an early review from someone they don't know (or heck, even someone they do) gets a big FAIL on their forehead.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    The truth is

    by MattmanReturns

    There's NO WAY it can be as bad as you're making it out to be, Merriman. Therefore, you're inexplicable predetermined hatred of this movie can only make it better, whether it's bad or not. I think we all know it will be, at the very least, entertaining. This isn't an Uwe Boll movie... it's a Steven Spielberg movie. His worst movie was The Lost World, but even that had T-Rexes ripping a fat guy in half, so my money wasn't wasted.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Seriously though Merriman Lyon

    by Rickey Henderson

    If trying to convince people that a movie's gonna suck is your big life's mission here at AICN, then your contributions are even less worthwhile than that MCMLIVIII guy who pops on here to say "Damn you Michael Bay." Come on, you insane goofy bastard, there's your cue...

  • May 9, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Anti-Lucas rhetoric...

    by solobear

    Y'know, all this anti-George Lucas crap is nauseating. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If it weren't for this guy, you slack-jawed faggots would have to find something else to bitch and moan about, because modern cinema as we know it would not exist. Get real. He didn't fuck up STAR WARS and I'm sure he hasn't fucked up INDIANA JONES. Your infantile expectations and pablum-puking opinions are what's fucking things up!

  • May 9, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by strosmer

    I'm watching TOD again on Sunday. There are great moments in that film, and I'd rank that moment where Indy knocks that kid-beating fucker to the ground from off-screen among the best in all the films. That's what Spielberg is able to deliver that most action directors cannot, those "Fuck yeah" moments.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    I consider Raiders one of my all time faves... but...

    by Knuckleface

    ...watching it again the other day, I noticed that Raiders has a lot of staging issues. The bar room brawl in Nepal in particular was very poorly staged and filmed. To me, Raiders doesn't hit its stride until after Indy thinks he's accidentally killed Marion. However, one great aspect of Raiders that's been lost in the sequels is Indy's selfish/dark/amoral impulses.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    The Old New

    by hollywoodsummers

    I think a good test for liking CRYSAL SKULL will be how much you liked REVENGE OF THE SITH. SITH has a lot of flaws, but I can still watch MOST of it without cringing or hitting the next chapter button (the first 2 episodes are pretty unwatchable for me). CRYSTAL SKULL should be much like SITH and hopefully leaning toward JEDI a bit... but it won't be RAIDERS or CRUSADE... and I can live with that personally.

  • May 9, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    There is absolutely NO ONE in the entire history of cinema who can deliver great movie moments like Lucas and Spielberg. Strosmer is right. It takes someone who loves movies to make movies that are as good as theirs. By dissing these guys, you just make yourselves look like morons, not the "Lone Heroe Who Isn't Afraid To Stand Against The Masses" that you seem to think you are. Go ahead, stand alone and keep screaming your worthless opinions about things you don't know about. The juggernaut that is film fandom will run you over and leave you behind, with nothing to show but a stinking stain on the roadway.

  • May 9, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Knuckleface, really?

    by Rickey Henderson

    That Nepal bar scene seemed pretty damned tightly shot to Rickey. Starting with Indy entering and casting a shadow on the wall, there's not a wasted or unecessary camera shot in that scene. The scene may feel a little antiquated, but that's only because they were going for the serial/pulp adventure novel look in the movie...

  • May 9, 2008, 3 p.m. CST


    by slone13

    I'm confused what with all these imposters floating around. Where can I find your review? When did you see it?

  • May 9, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Y'know, since 1981, I've always thought that Lucas And Spielberg could really take the bronze treasure that is DOC SAVAGE and turn it into a great series of films. That George Pal nonsense was nothing short of a travesty, although I think that Ron Ely wasn't a bad casting choice for CLark Savage Jr.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Howard THe Duck II - it's official!

    by Merriman Lyon

    Whoa - never mind all this Indy nonsense. The real news is just in. Almost thirty years after the first Howard The Duck movie, Lucas has announced that the sequel is to be shot this year with a view to a May 21 release in 2009. With Lucas as producer/writer and Spielberg to direct. The reason for the long delay is that Lucas wanted the script to be just right before he would let Spielberg make it. But now that Spielberg has caved in to Lucas' demand for that the inclusion of space chickens, the way is clear for production to go ahead.<p>And IT WILL ROCK! I mean, c'mon - it's Lucas and Spielberg! Praise be!<p> So rejoice, DannyGlover! Rejoice, Laserbrain! Rejoice, Solobear! Rejoice, Ricky Henderson! Rejoice, Mattman! Rejoice,Pillowtalk! Rejoice, anyone I've left out!<p>It's all ahead of us, boys!

  • May 9, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    In today's cinematic landscape, anything is possible. And that is due to George Lucas and his ability to make the impossible real. He had the backbone to do things people said couldn't be done, and he changed an entire industry. Christ without him and ILM, things would be pretty damn boring. Think about that while you try to tear apart one of his films.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    M. Lyon

    by solobear

    Leave it to Merriman Lyon to bring up HOWARD THE DUCK. I'll tell you something, Lyon, you effing pussy. You probably dislike THE DUCK because you're too fucking stupid to get it. You're pathetic. Go crawl back into the hole from whence you came, unclean beast!

  • May 9, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Hey Lyon!

    by solobear

    Why are you on here in the first place? You don't know JACK about INDY 4. You're just trying to provoke people. Go watch SPONGEBOB and leave the adults alone!

  • May 9, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST


    by strosmer

    When you are the creator of the work, when it's your vision you are trying to put out there, you have all business telling people to fuck off until you have what you want. Reminds me of something Ridley Scott said, "I wonder how many people have fallen to the wayside because they didn't really push their point home? Nobody respects you later for having been a nice guy and given up. You've got to stick to your guns, you've got to get it right, and you've got to get it now because you're going to wear what you've got. You can be very unpopular on the route, but if you're right, all is forgiven." <p>None of that is to say that Indy 4 is going to get it right, but a big reason Lucas found success as a filmmaker in the first place is because he followed the philosophy Scott described.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    George Lucas is a filmmaking maverick. He does things no one else will do. He tries things others won't try. And he's willing to take chances no one else can take to make the filmmaking arena better and more productive. Tell me, who else in the past thirty or so years has managed to accomplish what this man has?

  • May 9, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    George Lucas has earned the right to do things his way, regardless of what anyone else might think. Meanwhile, there are those who pop up out of nowhere talking trash about this man. It is truly sad and aggravating to watch them and their pathetic attempts to make themselves look important by running off at the mouth.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    In the past thiry-five years or so, I've seen much said about those in the filmmaking indutry who have inspired others to take up the gauntlet. People like Willis O'Brien, Ray Harryhausen and others. In 1977, I was inspired by a man named George Lucas and his ground-breaking film. And I was inspired by those who worked with him to achieve his dream. I know I am far from being the only person that felt this way.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Don't knock THE DUCK II till you've seen it

    by Merriman Lyon

    Because digging up a franchise that died 25 years ago is a wonderful, wonderful idea.<p>And kudos to maverick filmmaker George Lucas for holding out for twenty years so that he could get his space chickens. That's what's called staying true to your vision<p>Also - he's left the way clear for HOWARD THE DUCK III if DUCK II is successful. But of course it WILL be successful 'cause you guys are all going to see it. Already booked your tickets online, right, guys?<p>Man I'm so jazzed for this movie. And I haven't even seen the trailer.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    TOD>Last Fuckade

    by Prossor

    if you like last fuckade more you are an asshole. like lamerz.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Play? Speed Racer will get your date epilepsy...

    by Rickey Henderson

    Unless that's what you're shooting for: a date that flops around on the floor and foams at the mouth.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Rickey Henderson

    by Prossor

    so every Indy movie HAS to have nazis? You're a stupid fucking cunt. Go fuck yourself faggot. Temple of Doom was refreshing to not have nazis again.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    seriously, why so serious?

    by nefarius1

    I really don't understand what people are expecting. I know that I was never expecting a modern update on the franchise with 'Bourne' shaky cameras. I'm not expecting a revamp/reboot or realistic take like the current Batman films. I'm not expecting a deconstruction of our hero like Unforgiven. Hell, I'm hoping to feel the nostalgia, but I don't expecting Speilberg/Lucas to turn back time to when I was a kid. What I'm looking forward to is another adventure with Indy in the style of last three. These were never high art films with political/social commentary. These were 80's summer blockbusters, some of the first. They're supposed to be fun and entertaining. Besides, if they did any of those things I mentioned and reinvented/updated or deconstructed it people would probably complain anyways. Some people around here are far too invested in these films. I mean to say your childhood was raped is ridiculous. Some people need to get past childhood and fucking grow up.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    If you think you are being brave by coming on here and trying to vomit venom onto those who appreciate what these filmmmakers have done, then you are sorely mistaken. You, and those of your ilk, are nothing but purveyors of false hatred. Seriously, you remind me of terrorists, in a strange way. You appear out of the shadows, stab people in the back for no good reason, then disappear before anyone can get to you, once again hiding in the dark until another opportunity arises to pop up and spread hatred and discontent. It's rather unsettling, when you think about it.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I'm inspired too, Solobear

    by Merriman Lyon

    Fine words, my friend, fine words. George Lucas has inspired me in more ways than I can list here. But I'll try.<p>Whenever I'm taken out of a movie to watch some flat-candy piece of CGI flying into some other flat piece of CGI, I feel inspired. Because Lucas made it happen. Whenever I see perfectly good movies from the 70s with flat-candy CGI shoehorned into them, or guns turned into walkie-talkies I give thanks for the inspiration. Because Lucas made it happen. Whenever I see two-and-a-half hours of CGI with no plot, characters, drama, tension or any other outdated concepts of story-telling, I gasp in awe at the inspiration. Lucas made all this happen and I thank him for it. So should we all.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    The final 45 minutes of Revenge of the Sith...

    by The Dubliner

    ...are fucking amazing! The previous hour and 15 were decent enough. Lucas still has it...Spielberg has always had it. This new Indy has the potential to be great. Time will tell.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Easy there, Prossor

    by Rickey Henderson

    Rickey didn't say it HAS to, it just helps. Indy beating in Nazis is just plain fun. ToD is a great flick, but Rickey digs the other two a bit more. Does this justify the use of such vulgar language on your part? Rickey suspects not. Try and save that sort of foul talk for when it really matters, you know, for divorce court proceedings, eviction notices, and unemployment lines, you know, stuff you'll be familiarizing yourself with one day.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST


    by Sithdan

    I nominate you as president.

  • May 9, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Why do you even go to films? You seem to have some sort of inate ability to hate everything. What are you, anyway? If you think you're impressing anyone by trying to "distance yourself from the pack", you're not. If you think you're some sort of forward-thinking critical genius, you're not. If you have a notion that your lone-wolf attitudes and iopinions are impressing anyone, they're not. Hell, you can't even be amusing in any sort of way. You're little more than an annoyance. Kind of like a pimple on the ass. The only difference is you can squeeze a pimple and get rid of it, but you are more akin to a chronic diease that just won't go away.

  • May 9, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by MattmanReturns

    Why do you tease me, Merriman? That would be a laugh riot.

  • May 9, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Merriman Lyon is a huge follower of Woody Allen!

  • May 9, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Why would I turn on Lucas

    by MattmanReturns

    Just because the prequels sucked? I'm not that fickle. EVERY filmmaker has some shitty films under his belt, even the great ones. Lucas gave us Star Wars and Indiana Jones, and he'll always rock for that. And I don't care what anyone says... Willow was fucking awesome. Madmartigan? General Kael? Sorsha? Some of the coolest characters in fantasy. You don't like it, then enjoy another helping of my dick in your ass.

  • May 9, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    I'm starting to agree with.... Merriman Lyon!

    by Hooded Justice

    There may indeed be method to the merry man's madness. I'm afraid he's right about how absurd the whole Lucasfilm industry has become. Yes, Lucas is digging up long-dead franchises that should've stayed dead. Or at least he should have gotten some one else to write/direct them. He's not the passionate young director of the 1970's, not any more. He's an old guy who's at the head of a business empire. Frankly, his movie projects have become an embarressment. It isn't actually so far-fetched that he would make sequels to Howard The Duck. You may laugh at the idea..... but remember that Lucas came up with the idea of midi-chlorians, irreparably sabotaging his own mythology, like flying a 747 into a tower. I was kind of looking forward to IJATKOTCS, but after the lacklustre trailers and unenthusiastic reviews, I'll probably wait for a DVD rental.

  • May 9, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson...

    by Hooded Justice

    Yes, but he destroyed the thing he'd created. The Force is the heart and soul of Star Wars - even more than the iconic characters (of the OT of course - not the prequels!). Without The Force, there is no Star Wars. It strikes me that the midi-chlorians idea was the most unnecessary addition to the franchise. It added nothing - but took away everything IMO.<p>And it's not like it was an idea in which Lucas strongly believed. It smacked of carelessness on Lucas, pure and simple. As soon as fans re-acted badly, Lucas dropped it. But it indicated that Lucas had lost sight of the very things that made Star Wars what it was.

  • May 9, 2008, 4:26 p.m. CST

    How do you "destroy the thing you created"

    by MattmanReturns

    The original trilogy still exists, and you can watch it anytime you want. You guys are a bunch of drama queens.

  • May 9, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Don't Shit on Lost World

    by WolfmanNards

    It has a T-Rex running through a city. Fucking Awesome.

  • May 9, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    And the T-Rex eats the screenwriter

    by MattmanReturns

    I'm not kidding. It eats David Koepp. It's like Koepp knew how bad his writing on that movie was and said, "screw it, I don't deserve to live."

  • May 9, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST


    by solobear

  • May 9, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    except for your wet dreams of where you wanted HIS saga to go. When you come up with a hit concept, do whatever the fuck you want with it. I sure as hell don't see your name on anything except for your worthless talkback passages. They're worth even less than midi-chlorians.

  • May 9, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Lucas as a risk taker

    by strosmer

    I just wanted to add that as an admirer (and proud apologist) of Lucas, any flaws you could pick out in his work are largely the result of his risk taking. I hold SW (as a series) in high regard for the fact that each film pushes the cinematic envelope in substantial ways. If we’re being real, SW (more so than Indy) serves more as a platform for creating and using new filmmaking techniques than it does anything else. His movies are easily picked upon because he is more preoccupied with filmmaking techniques than telling a compelling story. That’s not to ruin the magic for anybody, just to see his filmmaking approach from a broader perspective. Certainly the fact that Lucas doesn’t completely ignore the literary and theatrical aspects of his movies, or the audience itself, is the reason they succeed on the level they do.<p>Lucas has visions in his head, and as with any artist who strives to bring those visions to realization, he seeks out the means to translate them as closely as possible to the medium in which he works. That involves risk, and with risk there is inevitably failure. Lucas’s true legacy is not as a director; it’s as a visionary who helped bring about new tools that help filmmakers of all kinds more closely realize their own visions on screen. Don’t get me wrong, I love SW and Indy films on more levels than just the technical aspects, but let's face it; these films were never intended to be the greatest films of all time, just simply a blast at the theater. Incidentally, the films do rank among some of the best ever made because Lucas’s (and Spielberg’s) passion to push the envelope, and take risks, has surrounded him with immensely talented people that do deliver not-completely-disappointing new cinematic experiences to audiences. Anyone think they can do better? Please, have at it. I guarantee there are people waiting for that next great cinematic experience. In fact, they will likely come out in droves; even wait in long lines for hours (or days) on end just to see what is you have to offer.<p>PS - Here, here solobear.

  • May 9, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Er, not sure what you're talking about, solobear...

    by Hooded Justice

    But you sound bitter. Was it something I said? Last time I looked, this was a forum for expressing opinions. Don't like other people's opinions? Don't come here.

  • May 9, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    I have nothing against honest opinions, oh Hooded one. What I can't takew are all these schmucks coming on here claiming that the new INDY movie sucks when they haven't even seen it. It's hard to take an opinion seriously from anyone who would do this. Here's a suggestion-instead of saying that this movie sucks, try saying that you think it might suck. But when these purveyors of cinematic hatred start their petty tirades, it's hard to think that their opinions amount to crap when they really have no idea what they're talking about in the first place.

  • May 9, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Problem with saying it will suck before seeing it

    by MattmanReturns

    Is that after you see it, you'll probably stick with that assessment just to prove to everybody you were right... even if deep down you enjoyed it. So it immediately destroys credibility.

  • May 9, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    if only we could funnel this energy

    by My best friend

    towards making our country a little better! No offense. I hope you all become our Senate one day.....the truth will definitely be carved out at the end!!

  • May 9, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Don't ever remember saying it sucked...

    by Hooded Justice

    ...because I haven't seen it. But I've seen a couple of very boring trailers (and trailers are supposed to make you excited, aren't they?). I've read a couple of negative reviews on this site that sounded pretty fair to me (don't see how they're anti-Lucas - they just sound like unremarkable movie reviews). And let's be honest: the whole idea of reviving the franchise just seems daft. These movies came out in the eighties - everyone involved is way too old. All of which leads me to be unexcited - but marginally curious to the point where if it was on TV, or available to rent, I'd probably give it a try for a little while. But I can see no reason to deliberately go out and see it in a theatre - unless I happen to be out with friends who are going to see it. That's my opinion and I'm comfortable with it. If you don't like that, there's nothing I can (or should) do.

  • May 9, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    That's fine, except for the fact those reviews don't seem very legitimate-not only to me, but to others as well. If you don't want to see it, that's fine. It's obvious that our opinions on this matter differ a great deal. I could care less that this is an '80's frnachise revival. I liked ROCKY BALBOA, LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD and RAMBO. But they're not by any means the only films that I've enjoyed recently. I have 16 films on my summer film watching schedule this year, and I'm looking forward to each one of them. The only one I have much doubt about is the M. Night Shyamalan film THE HAPPENING. I haven't cared for any of his other movies, but the subject of this film looks intriguing, so I think I'll give it a chance. If you, or anyone else decides not to go see INDY 4, well, more power to you. But I've already got my tickets, so I'm there! As far as what you've said, I take exception to the remark that Lucas destroyed the STAR WARS franchise. I never thought that. There are things about the prequel trilogy that I don't like, but I don't think any of them are bad films. I think the main problem lies with the fact that everytime anyone makes a sequel or continuation of a popular film, people think they'll get the same rush from it that they got from the original. That is virtually impossible, because the sequels/continuations are lacking a vital ingredient that only the original can have-the surprise factor.

  • May 9, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    I Just Wanted To Say...

    by Rando Calrisian

    You guys all kick ass. Among all the true BS that has been in these Indy talkbacks over the last couple days, there actually is some good film discussion going on here. <br> <bR> The bottom line is Lucas dissapointed a lot of people, and Prequel Pain apparently takes a long time to heal. <br> <br> A lot of people are tired of hearing how awesome Lucas is, because the dissapointments have outweighed the amazement in the last 10 years. That is a long time without something from Lucasfilm that TRULY KICKED ASS. <br> <br> And it hurts me to say that. Because I have been the biggest Lucas fan since I was 6 years old and saw Star Wars in the theater for the first time. <br> <br> I love Star Wars - I still do (I even love 85% of the prequels - 85% is pretty good). But I love Indiana Jones even more. He is the most perfect movie character of my time. BAR NONE (of course that's my OPINION). <br> <br> I say MY time, because it if kind of obvious through this thread, a lot of people just don't get Indidana Jones. It's been almost 20 freaking years since the last one. I think Young Indy did far more to damage the character of Indiana Jones that Indy 4 could ever dream of. Some of thse are pretty tough to watch. <br> <br> I don't want to sound bitter, but I kind of am. I want this movie to be incredible. But I also don't hold these impossible dreams for it. <br> <br> I think it will be the best film that Spielberg, Lucas and Ford could make. Let's face it, Lucas is a phenomenon, but he has aged, and gotten a little too comfortable - All of us have along side him. Is it possible, maybe a little we expect too much from him? <br> <br> As much as I want to feel like I did when I first saw Indiana Jones, I'm 26 years older now. But I for one salute Lucas and Steven Spielberg for at least trying to entertain us. After reading this kind of crap within this thread - he still trys to entertain us. He's still delivering Event Movies that many of us still want to see. <br> <br> I already bought my tickets for May 22nd, and I hope those of you who WANT to see Indy kick some ass will join me. I don't care if it's a little cartoony, I don't care if Harrison Ford is older, I don't care if Shia is here to bring in a younger audience. I'm there to have fun in the Cinema. Watching a fun movie with an audience that wants to be there. <br> <br> I feel sad for people who just want to kill any enjoyment other people get from this film coming out. To bad you can't enjoy it with us.

  • May 9, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    The other thing that sequels have against them is that some of the viewers can't accept the fact that the filmmaker is making his or her film there own way, not the way this or that person may have wanted them to do it. I'm not accusing you of this Hooded, but I think that some people go to some films ready to hate them, and I can't see the point in that. In my case, I haven't liked M. Night Shyamaln's movies-I think he is extremely overrated-but I'm willing to give his new film a chance. I won't be going into the theater thinking, "Well, his other movies are crap so this one's going to stink, too." Being a film fan-in my humble opinion-does not lend itself to having a defeatist attitude. I want to be entertained for a couple of hours.

  • May 9, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Rando, you've brought tears to my aged eyes...

    by solobear

    I couldn't agree with you more. We're certainly kindred spirits in many respects. I was 15 when the original STAR WARS was released. And only RAIDERS and E.T. have ever made me feel the way that film did. I DO NOt like what they did with the young INDY series. Trying to shoehorn Indy into historical moments/situations just didn't cut it with me. But I've always thought that the Indy I knew and loved would be back someday, as rough and ready as I remembered. And All fingers that I'm seeing are pointing to the fact that Lucas, SPielberg, Ford and Co. have done just that.

  • May 9, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST


    by solobear


  • May 9, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Okay, Solobear...

    by Hooded Justice

    We seem to understand one another. But I really can't see any value in the prequels. I'm probably way too old - and am not the target audience. That being said, even as an adult, I still think the Original Trilogy has some terrific characters, snappy dialogue, witty ideas, and some real heart - and that's not something I can detect in the prequels. And I've never heard of anyone who has detected any - even people who claim to have enjoyed them. I find the storylines incredibly dull and the characters just terrible. I mean, in the OT, Obi-wan was a terrific, magnetic character - but in the prequels he was a bad actor speaking awful lines with a silly accent. Wasted potential. And then there was Anakin - a very poorly written character who additionally suffered from disastrous casting. Wasted potential again. The whole thing just reeked of laziness and lack of inspiration. I could go on and on, but all of this has been said before by many others: you're probably tired of hearing it.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    For your information, dickhead, I have a wife and I don't fuck and/or beat off with action figures or dolls. Not that it's any business of yours. You seem to be obsessed with things of a sexual nature. Does your moommy know what you're doing? And how the fuck do you know about what Lucas does or doesn't do with women. What are you, a stalker or something. It sounds like you have some deep rooted problems, young man. It's about time your daddy or mommy had a talk with you. Oh, and your potty mouth doesn't impress anyone, either. It doesn't make you cool. Why don't you go listen to your Hannah Montana Cd, stare longingly at the women's lingerie section of the Sears Catalogue, and leave this stuff for the big people, okay?

  • May 9, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Conspiracy... you made me laugh.

    by Rando Calrisian

    Thank you. <br> <br> You forgot Radioland Murders. <br> <br> Even if he only made 4 good movies... they were pretty damn good movies that did change cinema as we know it. Is it a good thing? I don't know, but I know I frickin' love my THX sound at home. That's something!

  • May 9, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST


    by Rando Calrisian

    Solobear... you're letting them get to you. <br> <br> feel the midichl--... I mean - Feel the Force... Only then will you learn peace...

  • May 9, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    I actually liked Obi-Wan in the prequels. I Do think that a much better job could have been done with Anakin. I think too much blame has been placed on the shoulders of Hayden Christensen. When Episode I first came out, my biggest gripe was that I thought Anakin should have been more along the lines of a 15-16 year old hothead. I would have been more satisfied with that. But I still enjoyed the film. I realized when I left the theater that I would never capture that feeling I got when I saw STAR WARS the first time, but I still wanted to see more. For good or ill, Lucas made the decisions about the prequels himself-he earned that right and I respect him for it. I guess that was the reason he made SW/EMPIRE/JEDI first. He knew that they would be the stories that folks would take to the most.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    Anger leads to hate-hate leads to suffering. But that clown seems to be suffering from something!

  • May 9, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    I agree

    by Rando Calrisian

    Anakin should have been older. I thought around 13 in the first movie. Jake Lloyd is unwatchable in that movie. And I swear to god, I bust a hemmeroid every time they call him Annie in the entire trilogy.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Gotta go, Gotta Go, Gotta Go Right Now...

    by Rando Calrisian

    Go Go Speed Racer. <br> <br> Y'all have fun complaining about movies, I'm off to the theater.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:27 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    I could sit around and ponder the mistakes and falaciesof the prequel trilogy forever, I suppose, but they are what they are. I respect them for that. I'm not as down on them as a lot of other people seem to be, but I think I look at them differently. I was fifteen in 1977-do the math-and I knew I wouldn't get that'77 STAR WARS vibe when I went to see EPISODE I. In a way, I think I was just happy to be getting a new STAR WARS film. I had really begun to lose hope that we'd ever see the first three chapters at all. And I feel the same way about INDY IV. I'm just glad that, after 19 years, they've all come together again to give another adventure.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    I'd like to go to SPEED RACER tonight, but my best friend is flying here on the 20th to see INDY with me, and we promised each other to wait until then to see SPEED RACER. Good times, great films (we HOPE!!!).

  • May 9, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    I blame Ford

    by bender7

    Remember, if this really does suck, it's freaking Harrison Ford's fault! Speilberg and Lucas didn't want to do another one but Ford is the one who kept wanting to do it.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    That's simply not true. All three of them, Ford, Lucas and Spielberg, have said at one time or another, that they'd like to bring Indy back. It was just a matter of having the right story and time to do it. Issues with the script are what has been holding this film up for so long. I think it would be damn cool if someone would release a book with all the scripts for this film that have been turned down over the years. That would be one helluva read!

  • May 9, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    I think I'm most curious about the script for INDY IV that Frank Darabont wrote. There's word out there that some of what he wrote turns up in this film, but what or how much? Will we ever know? Has anyone out there read Darabont's INDY script?

  • May 9, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    I'd like to throw this out there as well. I don't think that any of them-Ford, Lucas or Spielberg-really NEEDED to do this film. I'm reasonably sure that all three of them are wealthy beyond our wildest imaginings. But of the three, Harrison Ford is the one whose career needs a shot in the arm. I really like him, but the last film of his that I liked was AIR FORCE ONE. SIX DAYS, SEVEN NIGHTS, HOLLYWOOD HOMICIDE, FIREWALL, just three different ways to spell junk. I'd like to see him back on top once again.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:46 p.m. CST


    by Ethan Big Nuts McKinley

    You know something dudes, I love Movies (sorry Film), I have many Criterion DVD's. I like David Lean Felini, blah Blah BLah. But You know what....I looked at my Criterion Collection the other day and I thought Hey, Beyond watching them (once on day purchase) I NEVER FUCKING WATCHED ANY OF THEM SINCE!!!! AND I WATCHED SWAYZE IN ROADHOUSE TWICE LAST WEEK!!! I realized I got them just to fool myself I was some sort of Cinifile, I mean I got "The Killer" by john Woo off e-bay for £100 pounds!!! WHAT THE FUCK WAS I THINKING???!!! Just so I could Complete the "CRITERION WING" of my DVD library???!!! CRITERION IS JUST FOR ASSHOLES, I mean they do some cool old movies, But 60 bucks??!! For a DVD??!! and mostly zero extras??!! WE'VE BEEN HAD FOLKS. LOOK DEEP INSIDE YOURSELVES AND TRY TO EXPLAIN AND JUSTIFY YOUR CRITERION COLLECTION, NO IN 1080 TO TYLER DURDEN.............YOU COULD'NT COULD YOU. STOP LETTING THESE FUCKERS PANDER TO YOUR CINEMA TROLL, LIVING UNDER CINEMA EGO BRIDGE. AND BOYCOTT THIS CRAZINESS. I MEAN HOW FUCKING GOOD CAN THEY MAKE A FILM FROM 1876 LOOK FOR FUCK SAKE??!!! OR ANY FILM FOR THAT MATTER?? UNLESS YOU HAVE A SUPER HI-DEF WIDE-SCREEN TV, THE BEST PLAYER WITH GOLD FITTING LADEN HMDI CONNECTORS, THEN IT,S FUCKING POINTLESS ANYWAY!!! BRIGIT BARDOT IN 1080??!! WHAT?, ARE FUCKIN' STUPID??? I CANT EVEN SEE REAL PEOPLE IN 1080!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 9, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    It's comedy reading you guys...

    by hollywoodsummers

    take personal shots at each other over your opinion on films even though you have no idea about the other person's life besides the limted info they tell you in posts (which could be complete and total bullshit).

  • May 9, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST


    by solobear

    The only Criterion DVD I own is NAKED LUNCH. I'm just not into the art house type films that they put out. MAny consider them to be great cinema. I got into arguments about this type of thing when I was in film school. All I can say is different strokes for different folks. Me, I prefer my mindless special effects films. Oh well, you can't please everyone...

  • May 9, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST


    by hollywoodsummers

    EPISODE ONE UNWATCHABLE: 1) Jar-Jar Binks 2) Jake Loyd as Annie 3) Boss Nass

  • May 9, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Comedy Reading?

    by solobear

    I guess it could be looked at that way, but for some reason or other, I fail to find some of this stuff funny. Here's something new...try discussing films without descending into foul mouthed nonsense that is not only insulting to other people, but to their intellect.

  • May 9, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST


    by hollywoodsummers

    EPISODE ONE LAME: 1) Midi-Clohriens 2) Darth Maul's lack of dialouge 3) FUCKING Darth Vader built C3PO!!?

  • May 9, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST


    by hollywoodsummers

    I'm just curious... are you Mormon or something? I mean I understand a distaste for foul language if used too often with little content to make a point, but I can also enjoy a good "Cocksucking, motherfucker!" or "Whore-cunt!" This is a talkback, not Barney's romper room where we all sit around a lick each other's fucking pussies.

  • May 9, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    pillow talk

    by palewook

    how can someone be wrong about whether they enjoy a movie or not. what only your opinion counts for the entire world? <p> ppl are free to like or dislike whatever they want in the freeworld.

  • May 9, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST


    by Ethan Big Nuts McKinley


  • May 9, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    I've no problem with Anakin's age in TPM...

    by Hooded Justice

    He could've worked fine as an eight-year-old, or whatever age he 's supposed to be - if the story and screenplay had been well-wrtten. And if the kid had been well-cast. And if the kid had been well-directed. But none of those things happened so it makes Anakin's age completely irrelevant. He might as well have been six months old. Or sixty years old. Wouldn't have made the movie better or worse. <p>But it's just the whole process of making the prequels that was assways from the beginning. Lucas' judgement at every turn was faulty. When faced with any choices, he always seemed to take the worst possible decision. Such as deciding to write and direct. Such as casting Jake Lloyd - instead of that other kid (on the TPM extras DVD) who was absolutely spot-on perfect for the role. That's right: the kid who looked exactly like an eight-year-old Mark Hamill. Who had a a hunted look about him. And who made Lucas' woeful dialogue sound meaningful. Now that kid could act. He wasn't chosen. If he had been chosen, we mightn't even be having this conversation.<p>Yes, Lucas may have earned tthe right to make all these bad choices. But having that right doesn't make his films good.

  • May 9, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice YOU'RE SO FUCKING RIGHT

    by hollywoodsummers

    about the other choice for Anakin being spot FUCKING ON for the role. Everytime I watch that part of the behind the scenes I want to scream, "NOOO! PICK THAT KID!! HE'S SO MUCH FUCKING BETTER!!" Then I realize it's been many years since that decision was made and there's no going back. Then sadness turns to anger, and anger turns to hate... and so on.

  • May 9, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Yes, hollywoodsummers...

    by Hooded Justice

    I too stared in disbelief at that kid's audition. Disbelief that there was even a question of not choosing him to play Anakin Skywalker. I mis-typed the word 'haunted' above. That kid had a haunted look. You only get to see him for about twenty seconds - but in that short time he communicates so much. He's a kid that scares you slightly - but at the same time you're scared for him. And his line delivery is surprisingly convincing, making Lucas' dialogue sound good. There's an alternative universe out there where he WAS picked. And in that universe both I and all the other anti-prequel talkbackers are right now praising the alternative prequels to the skies.... I fear we're in the wrong universe, folks.

  • May 9, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Ford is on Leno Tonight...

    by heks

    For anyone who is interested

  • May 9, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST


    by Gozu

    Try to not be a condescending ass.

  • May 9, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    This movie will take Cannes film festival by storm

    by Proman1984

    Expect rave review from REAL critics and people. This movie will own.

  • May 9, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST

    There's No Touching Raiders..

    by skoobyx

    I couldn't agree with this guy more. And as to the TB'ers who find it dated; I'd argue that it still has the best opening scene in the history of cinema. At the very least there hasn't been anything better since 1980. <p> My only real problem with the sequels is that they were played too much for laughs. The Raiders formula of a serial presented with a straight face worked far better and had enough room for jokes. <p> Still, I know where I'm going to be on opening night...

  • May 9, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    TOD is the best of the three (so far)

    by Krinkle

    And I truly believe that. While that may sound insane to the talkbalk nation, note that Pauline Kael and Roger Ebert both agreed that TEMPLE was superior to RAIDERS. And Willie Scott does not suck. She's a perfect foil to be dragged through muck by Indy, she's hot-as-hell (easily the hottest Indy girl), and her "girly" act actually serves as a refreshing throwback among the much more PC 80s films where that stereotype of the "screaming dame" was a distant memory... actually TOD is a lot of "forbidden fruit" in that way - the "eerie" India, Short Round, Willie Scott - it's all great stuff from 30s movies that were no longer allowed in '84. But, to add my ranking of the Lucas mega-movies to the mix, here goes: RAIDERS: A+ TEMPLE OF DOOM: A+ LAST CRUSADE: A- STAR WARS: A EMPIRE: A+ JEDI: A PHANTOM MENACE A- ATTACK OF THE CLONES: A- SITH: A That's how I see 'em. Love 'em all, basically, which bodes well for CRYSTAL SKULL. And I guess I'll never understand the geek-hate for the prequel trilogy. Seen objectively, they're a far more fleshed-out, deeper, and rich body of work than the original trilogy. They're slightly less fun & funny, but it's a trade-off. Someone above mentioned that they thought the prequels were "3 of the worst movies ever made". Really? Really? All that visual imagination, all that inventive action, all that sturm-und-drang? And they go on the all-time worst pile because of a some 50's-biblical-epic dialogue, a poor child actor in the 1st film, and Jar-Jar. That's called throwing the baby out with the bathwater, folks. And y'all are baby murderin' sons-of-bitches!

  • May 10, 2008, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Best Indy Film?...

    by kingben

    Easily The Last Crusade. Temple of Doom was the worsst.

  • May 10, 2008, 1:01 a.m. CST

    I think the potential problem with Indy 4.....

    by Rocco Curioso

    won't be the movie itself, it'll be with Harrison Ford. It seems like after "Air Force One", the man lost his chutzpah as an actor. I think what made him so good as Indiana Jones in the first 3 movies (and the SW OT as well) was that persona he carried: one of a guy who was a bit dorky but ultimately fearless, and with that dry, self-deprecating sense of humor that balanced out the heroics. Ford was (emphasis on "was") utterly brilliant at pulling that off. If any other actor had played Solo or Dr. Jones in those 6 movies, they might have been 50% as good... at best.<P>Fast forward to 2008. Yeah, he's still in great shape physically. Yeah, his face betrays his age. So the capacity for derring-do and the appeal to women are still there, albeit somewhat reduced. But, if that trailer was any indication (he seemed listless)... then the SPIRIT of the man appears to have become blunted somewhere along the way. I'm guessing this will come into sharper relief once the entire movie is unveiled. Maybe I'm wrong, but my better intuitive sense tells me otherwise.

  • May 10, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Simple facts.

    by Mr402

    Simple fact is that this movie no matter if it is good or not will never live up to the originals. Mainly because they waited so damn long. Should have pumped out a sequel 5 years after crusade. We have all grown up with it and nothing will recapture that magic and wonder like the first time you viewed them. Also I agree with Krinkle TOD was the best one.

  • May 10, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Temple of Doom OWNS! Last Crusade

    by Adolf_Hitlers_Moustache

    Is fucking way better than Last Crusade.The Last Crusade was Raiders of the Lost Ark leftovers. Nothing can beat Raiders, its a high watermark of cinema and its greatness probably had a bit of good luck involved, everything about that movie is dead on in its performance. Temple is very flawed at times, but still better than 99.9 percent of movies made. All Ive really hoped for with the new Indy movie is that same crazy/dark tone that Temple of Doom had.

  • May 10, 2008, 7:11 a.m. CST

    the next "full length" trailer is out

    by TheSeeker7

    I just DL'd over at Dave's Trailer Page, but for the love of god... why do they keep putting these out if they're just replaying the SAME FOOTAGE over and over again?? I'd say at the absolutely most, 35-40% of the footage in this trailer is stuff we haven't seen before (& mostly stuff we've seen about 17 times already). With the iffy reviews coming in, Paramount's marketing department isn't doing any better of a job to get people excited for this.

  • May 10, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Still excited...

    by Bubba Gillman

    I don't agree with the position of some talkbackers that one has to acknowledge that Raiders isn't a perfect film and that our love of it is largely informed by nostalgia, and that this is the additude one should take into the theater for Indy 4. Raiders is a perfect film, but it is a perfect film of its kind. I don't think anyone would suggest that Lucas and Spielberg set out to make an all time classic, highly acclaimed, Oscar winning film. They were making a fun adventure movie. The reason it's had such an impact is because it is so well done. The exuberance of the total package is why we love it, and that exuberance is why we are able to look past the sort of nitpicky criticisms that plague these parts (e.g., the less than convincing Sapito dummy with the spikes through its head, the offhanded way in which the Marion in the basket switcheroo is handled, the way the skeletons in the Well of Souls seem to be attacking Marion, etc.). I'm not expecting something on the level of Raiders from Indy 4, but I am hoping for something that captures that same sense of fun and adventure. That's what an Indiana Jones movie should do. And if it does that, I won't care about CGI cliffsides or improbable stunts, just like I didn't care about obvious matte paintings and wax Nazi heads for Raiders.

  • May 10, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    I really can't stand temple of doom.

    by Cotton McKnight

    I really do. And if you really think about it, you hate it too. I remember back in like 95, I was in line at a store where laser discs were on sale (this was before dvd players for you young people out there). This guy was picking between two movies.. I don't remember what one of them was, but the other was Temple of Doom. He asked me which one he should pick to buy, and I recounted some of the plot details of Temple of Doom. He was like "oh yeah" and put it down. So unless this somehow betrays the character of Indy by making him a stooge or something, there is no WAY this movie is worse than that. Personally, I LOVED Last Crusade. If it's anywhere close to that, I will be happy.

  • May 10, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    I can't drop this.

    by Cotton McKnight

    I mean I really disliked Temple of Doom. Short Round, Kate Capshaw, Monkey brains, that pit of bugs, that coal mine car chase. I STILL don't know what that movie was about. Of course I saw it when I was a kid and haven't really seen it since but those factors have kept me away for the past 20 something years. Also I think the coal mine car chase was excessively long and looked really fake.

  • May 12, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST


    by just pillow talk

    Yeah, I realize that, hence the reason why I put a smiley face at the end of my statement. I was agreeing to disagree as it were.