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As If George Bush Couldn't Be A Sadder Scarier Loathsome Cretin...
SPOILER ALERT !!
Hey folks, Harry here... I'm not apologetic in the least for my disdain of the worst President in the history of the United States, George Bush Jr. What he has done to this country & to the world outside of our borders is beyond reprehensible. In his 8 years he and his cronies have systematically Tonya Harding'd the good ol U.S. of A. - to such a point that our station in the world order has tumbled, our dollar is becoming increasingly worthless, our homes our being taken away and our brave young men & women are dying for his vanity and war mongering.
That said - I can not even imagine the exclamation mark that Oliver Stone and Josh Brolin are going to give this jackass as he leaves office - hopefully, never to be heard from again. Josh Brolin is emerging as one of our most talented young actors and his recent work has been electrifying. Oddly, I still picture him strapped upside down in an easychair by his lil brother and his friends at the beginning of an awesome Goonie adventure.
The image below came from Abin Sur - who found it on EW.com It's a haunting and disturbing picture... it doesn't so much look like the evil monkey - as much as a living caricature of him. I can't wait to see this one!
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Harry, please fire him.
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What is he 43?
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Are they going to make him look good? Or...You know..
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Really? Oliver Stone is not the same man of the late 80's. His recent stuff is not good at all. Plus who wants to sit thought a movie about this hated man so soon.
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Just because he doesn't know what he's doing.
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No Net blocking in the computer lab? & Shame on you!
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His oil's worth lots more now than it was when he came into office. Good on him, I say. It is a JOB, after all – the idea is to make some money out of it then retire.
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I thought of a constipated Mr. Rogers.
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that's some scary shit mother hubbards! He hasn't got the eyes right mind you. There is clearly intellect behind his eyes, unlike the real Bush.
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May 08, 2008 1:31:33 PM CDT
He looks just like Tony Snow (with even the "I just shit myself
by rivercb
I don't know who wants to see a movie following this miserable president, I'd rather just watch the tv coverage of them booting his ass out the door and making him walk back to Texas.
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Between this and the "review" of Crystal Skull, I'm really debating whether or not to remove AICN from my internet cycle.
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That is great!
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Banks giving people more money than they can afford for a house isn't George Bush's fault. The same can be said for the value of the dollar. Oil being where it is at has very little to do with GWB. And to say he's a war monger is uninformed blather. But I'll go see this movie.
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This must mean he's doing a pretty good job as President.
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Any relation to Walt Disney Jr., who sent me an email telling me he'd give me a million dollars if I forwarded the email to all my friends and they forwarded it to all of their friends and so on and so forth?
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The sooner he's gone the better. And Josh looks amazing, I can't even recognise him in that picture.
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May 08, 2008 1:36:24 PM CDT
Filmmakers and film critics are the biggest experts on politics
by toowhippy
Harry you are a genius! I only with I was as smart as you.
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that Bill Bailey uses to describe Ben Affleck
'He has the look of a man whos just arrived somewhere and suddenly can't remember if he left the gas on back home or not' -
can Brolin top him?
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Will Harry be mad if I admit I found that link on the Drudge Report?
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...glad to see that some of the remaining 17 percent is represented here. Did any of you guys happen to be related to the band from the Titanic?
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Of all the myriad fuckups you can rightfully blame on Bush, Harry picks inflation (only slightly his fault) and the mortgage crisis, which is not even remotely his fault, and claiming it is is fucking retarded. Jesus Christ you fat diabetic ginger mutant get a fucking clue faggot moron retard christ I've got to go do some crack
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The current state of this country is pathetic.....and what does our future hold? Moneywhore Bush.
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Doesn't seem like a charicature of him like they do in so many other movies. That also means its not spot on but they get the right point across which is more important than him being out right a copy of bush.
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...but gimme a call before hand so I can gnab that sweeeeeeeeet ring!!!!BLACKEST NIGHT!!!! Oh, that's not you that yells that...
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May 08, 2008 1:41:35 PM CDT
BUSH's fault? Bah! He's fixing CLINTON's mess! (yeah right!)
by yotzvonfrelnik
GOD I hate people who believe that.
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Here we go again. Bush saves all of us from the terrists and all the libtards on AICN freak out and think he's Hitler. Do you realize that you're alive today only because of Bush? It's 100% true. Think about it. Have we been attacked lately? You know what else Bush has personally saved you from? Fucking aliens. Seriously. Deadly killer fucking aliens. Have we been attacked by aliens lately? NO??!! Have you even seen a fucking deadly-killer alien? You can thank Bush for that. And why? Well that's because Bush is an alien ass kicking badass mofo and you birkenstock wearing shrubhugger libertardos who hate America, women, puppies and kittens, boobs, baseball, midgets, and whatever else is good in the world. Why don't you Bush haters go back to Hitler's USSR where you can eat dog and monkey brains and have unnatural sex as often as you like.
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Who in the hell would expect unbiased reportage from Harry Knowles?
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The left half looks a bit like Dubya. The other half looks like post-rehab Jeff Conaway.
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You guys should read what Reagan wrote about lil W in his diaries. Hysterical, and right on. I hate hate hate this man, and I wish he were impeached.
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Looks like the big neighbor guy in Pet Cemetary.
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...oh sore subject? This movie will be lame. They're going to re-write the script, pick the locations, shoot the film and edit it in about 4 months. Good luck with that one Stone.
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...that's not a dig at Harry, that's a dig at anybody who would be so dejected by a Bush slam on a movie geek website that they'd threaten to leave. If it disappoints you, you've earned that disappointment.
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...W has those "I burnt out every last neuron with massive amounts of cocaine decades ago, but I'm still an evil f***ing asshole of the highest order"-eyes. Of course W's just Vader to Cheney's Emperor Palpatine, as far as evil goes. (But W, being a cokehead, would've pitched Luke into that reactor pit instead of his mentor without a second thought... cokeheads are subhuman bottom feeders without even the slightest shreds of humanity remaining).
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and that worthless piece of shit asshole can go back to fucking texas and hopefully never be seen or heard of again. Fucking bastard.
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the president has no influence over it. a president can't be praised for a boom or blamed for a recession. inflation and recession are inevitabilities, regardless of who's in charge. and yes, these tax rebates will do nothing.
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Maybe because you cant vote for him again, I actually feel sorry for you. As far as the rest of you, if you dont want more of the same (policy-wise anyway) please get off of your lazy asses and vote. That is all
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So this IS a black comedy? I hope so, becuase with those script pages I read I can't see it working any other way. How do you know it's going for comedic tone? Curious?
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She'd be perfect as that whiney beaver
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A Political Science Degree. You know...Alot of actors, not all. Havent been to college. So when they talk about important issues they say "Ive studied it thoughly". Well well well smarty pants. Youve "studied". Its not studied unless its "tested". & if you dont know answers you "fail". Im so tired of hearing everyones oppinion. Heres a fact. A democrat will be in office next. So shut the fuck up. I know its been a hard 8 years for some but its OVER. Thats life. Thats presidencys. Theres alot God squads out there dont want a President to cheat on their wives. But then again, hasnt it been said that they all have? Im not making a good point here. I just hate it when actors and directors feel one way because all their friends are this or that. Or their city, LA. So they take it upon themselves to tell the rest of the country.
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Those passages were shown to be nothing more than internet hoaxes. The passages are actually taken out of some fiction book called My Dinner with Reagan.
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Get Frank Caliendo so he can bringificate
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I read somewhere that he exhibits all the symptoms: Confusion, loss of train of thought, difficulty speaking, paranoia.
Compare footage of him speaking today with stuff filmed 15 years ago- it's really quite shocking.
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At least I have to ASSUME so, since I don't have it. That's national security for ya....HAH! Seriously though, how was this guy re-elected...was LEX LUTHOR not running?? I would've voted for him...
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I want to hear about movies, not Harry's distorted view on politics. I am no G.W. Bush fan by any means, but he not interesting enough to make a movie about. Plus, Oliver Stone is an old hack, who lost his edge years ago. Please Harry, the next time you post something, make it something we actually give to shits about.
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Um get a subscription to The Economist if you want unbiased hard news reporting and analysis. This is a fan-boy entertainment site. WTF is wrong with people?
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Abraham Lincoln for preserving the Union
Herbert Hoover for causing the Great Depression
FDR or Harry Truman for winning WWII
LBJ for Vietnam
And you can't blame only George W Bush for what's happening to the US now -
I don't feel there's a single disputable statement in my story. The dollar has crashed, mortgage crisis is grotesquely out of hand, we are in a completely unjustified war, and the United States is at an all time low in world opinion. - And defenders of this jackal astound me. What exactly has he done that you're proud of? What singular accomplishment can you herald? Did he do ANYTHING that he promised?
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Please.
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Oliver Stone is a filmmaker that has truly traveled both sides of the motion picture arena-good and bad. I hope that this is a good one for him. The pictures of Brolin are astounding. I hope that he and Stone paint this man to be the incompetent SA-hole that he is. If there's anyone breathing the Earth's oxygen right now who deserves it George W., for some reason or other, the President of these United States. GO DEMOCRATS!!!
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About the current prez. So political views (distorted or otherwise) kinda go hand in hand. And just admit it stinky: You voted for the worst president (Hell the worst governor, the worst pilot, the worst businessman, the worst student) any of us have ever or will ever see in our lifetimes. Come to terms with that and maybe you wont be so iritated by all the anti-fuckface tirades here and elsewhere. Okay now that is all.
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BSB....US Cygnus....come on guys....these politically charged TB's are almost no fun without you! I want to hear how someone's mom is actually a monkey-spew guzzling ape-whore....or how someone's education is worth fuckall because they went to school in Denver or something. And I just love the play on subject lines too "Ain't it liberal propaganda"...too rich....especially considering the NY Times article speaking about those 50 "specialist" fielded to give shiny, sparkly, joy-joy optimistic reports on our noble saving of the Bin Laden Victimized Iraqi peoples.
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Think back about 9 years ago when we heard this crazy Senator running for President talk agout a Missle Shield around the US. Crazy huh? It never happened either from criticism. Then you know what happened. Yes hes an idiot. And he sucks at speaking english. But theres been alot of terrorism being blocked that we dont know about. Mall attacks especially. My greatest Americana shame is when Bush said "I want him dead or alive" the whole country said Fuck Yeah! Then 3 months later everyone forgot that they called him the best President ever after they got over their emotions. It just grossed me out to see how Americas oppinion can change so quick.
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I mean, honestly? And Harry is as much of a brainless left wing jackass and Bush is a right wing one.
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If youre Republican, or conservative, or Libertarian, or a so-called "Reagan Democrat", and youre not a complete idiot (or in serious denial), Weinerpenis has articulated the only possible position on the current dufus-in-chief.
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Dude, the United States have ALWAYS been at an all time low in world opinion. Any one who thinks the world loved the US before Bush's administration is either ignorant or an idiot.
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There are child molesters and serial killers that are held in higher regard than GW over here. I wish that I was kidding but I'm not.
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Seriously Harry, do you think Bush is the worst president ever? Look up Harding.
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I totally agree. He's stomped the country into the dirt. My dad lost his job at ATA after 22 years of service, we're paying $4 a gallon of gas, the housing market is in shambles, men and women are getting murdered overseas in the name of American imperialism...it's just crazy. I can't wait until we put a new head on this dragon.
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Just open your eyes and take a look at the skyrocketing prices of gasoline and food, and at the other various-and quite undeserved-problems facing our great nation. Then maybe you'll realize that even if W isn't the only one to blame, then he is certainly at the core of these problems. This braindead rednec k fuck doesn't pay for gas or food, and he isn't having his home unjustly taken away. He's just sitting around with a shit-eating grin on his retarded face waiting for his tenure to end so somebody else can clean up the huge mess he has made.
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/02192008/postopinion/editorials/bush_in_africa_98313.htm (remove spaces)
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I just wish someone else was doing this movie. In fact, almost ANYONE else. And the script concerns me as much as anything else.
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How about taking action on terrorism after 9/11. Y'know... like Clinton claimed he was going to do and how everyone wished he was more like Harrison Ford in Air Force One. How about standing up and doing the right thing by staying in Iraq putting his Presidency and his political party in serious jeopardy because it's the right thing to do instead of the political thing to do... y'know... like Clinton. (ooh, but now they're bad people...)
I'm not claiming Bush is perfect but he certainly doesn't deserve the derangement around here... isn't it time we just all "moved on"?
Or do you really understand why the Democrats, (y'know, those in control of both house of congress and the economy for the past 2 years) haven't impeached? Because there is no justification for it.
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We were wrong! We're sorrrryyyyy!!!!!
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Thinking GW is a poor president automatically makes you a "liberal" or a "libtard" or whatever.
It's amazing that no matter how thinly veiled the propaganda is there is always 20% of the population willing to goosestep along with it for the good of their "party."
I'm a conservative and I can freely admit that this president is the worst one we have had in the last 100 years. Not one thing he has done has been in line with what true conservative ideals are. Not one thing. If you support a smaller less powerful central government, then why are you happy with George Bush?
If you support personal freedom and the rights of the individual they why are you happy with George Bush?
If you are in favor of lower taxes for the middle class and less government programs then why are you happy with George Bush?
If you believe in hunting down those that attacked us on 9/11 then why are you happy with George Bush?
If you believe in securing our borders and protecting American jobs from illegal immigrants then why are you happy with George Bush?
And one last thing. GW has not protected us from another attack. There was 8 years between the attacks on the WTC. I wouldn't expect another until 2009 or 2010. But by then you can blame the increased terrorism around the world and our crippled national security on Barack Obama...because that's what Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh will tell you to do.
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Seriously, first, you post a bullshit indy review because for some reason, you are praying for the films failure and no we get Man-Child Harry's political rants. I would ask what has happened to this site, but looking back, it's always been terrible.
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has a turd crowning!
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Continue the name calling and finger pointing and character assassination all the while offering nothing positive. Commence with the usual politically-charged flame wars!Democrats, Republicans (or vice versa) can both be equally belligerent and dogmatic. If people on either side(s) of the party lines refuse to work with the other then they are the sad, scary, and loathsome cretins. Government is not the solution. You and I are. Be upright and responsible human beings in your daily lives and do no harm. You can make a greater difference in someone else's life in the next 10 minutes than the government could in the next 10 years. Pax Americana.
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But the site keeps crashing on me. But Bush's work in Africa -- and the US's high popularity in Africa as a result -- is definitely a worthwhile accomplishment. Maybe his only one, but definitely worth heralding.
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... I actually would never have voted for George W Bush and I would have voted for Al Gore if it weren't for the fact I am an Australian. But if I were an American and I had voted for GW in 2000, well that's what I like to think I'd be saying ...
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George Bush or Harry talking about George Bush. I can't stand W but seriously, go take the political shit to Huffington Post and save this space for movies.
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And I love the guy talking about "moving on" while he throws up Clinton BS. Too funny!
I didn't like Clinton's presidency either but he was a damn site better than GW!! OMG does that mean I am a traitor?!I know it's hard for your little brains to wrap around the fact that I am a conservative republican who doesn't foam at the mouth over Bill Clinton. -
You're an idiot.
Bush ran for his first term on a platform of hope and change.
Boy did he change things!
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Foreign Terror attacks on US soil under a) President Ford = 0 b) President Carter = 0 c) President Reagan = 0 d) President Bush (Snr) = 0 e) President Clinton = 0* f) President Bush (Jnr) = 1. So the argument that we've had no more terror attacks on US soil since 2001 is not proving anything; you could argue that every previous President had no foreign terror attacks at all during their terms. (*one domestic terror attack).
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Those are considered US Soil. Oh, you're also forgetting the WTC in 93.
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one thing about bush, or the people that write what he reads, anyway- is that he wants to take credit for what little good has happened- usually stuff that the people have done or voted into effect themselves, and claims to not be responsible for anything bad that happens on his watch. he is the president of the united states. not just some guy. the buck stops there, like it or not, that's the stress of the office. it falls on you. instead he shifts blame everywhere he can.
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It wasn't just the ARMs, it was the turning of the ARMs into a financial instrument (via grouping them as well as other bad idea mortgages together) and then selling it to investors. That's what killed Bear Stearns.
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Than he looks similar to his Dad James Brolin in that pick. I think its the more pointed nose. No offense toward James in that remark.
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"Wow... nice unbiased reporting on Cool News", says PirateEmery. What the hell are you on? This is a site where people post their opinions on movies and current events. ALL movie reviews are 'biased', you numbnuts. And given that this is his site, I think Harry can well lambaste our idiotic 28% approval rating president as much as he wants. If the fact that the founder of a movie site that you read has totally different political beliefs than you do makes you want to stop reading the movie news, that just shows that you are a head-in-the-sand conservative who can't stand dissent. Yeah, please skip this site in the future. Go ahead. Really, see if we care.
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It seemed too good to be true
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I don't come to AICN to hear about politics. Not to say that I don't like politics, but I come here to hear what's going on with movies, not what Harry thinks about issues neither he nor I fully understand. I do love American politics, but speaking as a Canadian, you guys need to stop bringing your political baggage into everything you do or say.
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I find it funny you took personal offense at that... because that wasn't my point...
Clinton derangement was just as nuts on the conservative side as it is now on the liberal side but all the libs could do was defend and demand that we "move on" (In fact many leftist sites just "ignored" the issues... including this one and Bill Maher refused to even discuss Clinton's problems because "he's been bashed enough"... so much for free speech)
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May 08, 2008 2:16:47 PM CDT
Actually, I've always thought of the US being rather cool...
by gabba-uk
you just have this really annoying habit of every 20 years or so putting a total idiot in charge just at a time when need one the least.
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Look up The Federal Funds Rate and the Chairman of the Federal Reserve.
Then go look at who Bush put in charge of that.
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poor dubya
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Needs to have their income slashed in half (or more), healthcare taken away from them and children sent to fight in Iraq. Let's see these ballsack sucklers deciding between a gallon gas or a gallon of milk. Gas has gone up over 400% since Bush took office. Groceries have gone up 200% in the same time. People earning $8-$12 an hour, even if they're frugal, are not going to be able to afford a single amenity by year's end.Bush is by far the worst president ever because he and his cronies already had obscene amounts of wealth and they used his presidency as their personal lottery to make themselves even richer. And they knowingly did it at the expense of millions of middle and lower class Americans, millions if Iraqis and thousands of soldiers who wanted to serve their country.Bush and Cheney should be hung as traitors.
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WTF is going on here? We don't come to this site for that shit. We don't want to talk about our President. We don't want to talk about Hillary or Obama either. There are plenty of other sites for that shit.
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Then you tell me what makes me what are the ideals of the conservative republicans and how GW is the ultimate representative of those ideals?
You don't have a clue.
And racist? What I said was that illegal immigration is out of control and illegals are taking jobs from US citizens. It has nothing to do with race.
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I'm aware of the original intent but I'm also aware of its evolution. I'm sure you are, too. History tells us what happens when it goes unchecked.
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Tell me, where is this magical, unbiased source where you get news from? Unless you are on the scene, experiencing the event, every piece of news you read, see, or hear is biased by the person doing the reporting. The trick is to get your news from several different sources, filter out the BS, and form your own opinion.
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You know Harry, if you want a gig ranting about politcs and hating republicans, get a gig over at HuffPo or the fever swamp at Kos.
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But that's where Bush headed quick as he could after it became perfectly clear he couldn't deliver Bin Laden.
The war on Iraq was fabricated in order to pursue the military's own agenda, which is clearly "Gotta kill Somethin'". Healthcare in the US is in the toilet, yet Bush spent Billions in order to finish the job his daddy was too much of a coward to do. Everytime he appears in public he humiliates the entire country as he's clearly an empty-headed puppet.
If the US doesn't get Obama as President they will slide further into the shitter - Clinton is a power hungry nutjob and McCain has backed his preacher who insists the people of New Orleans deserved Katrina. Obama is the only voice of reason in a crowd of oppertunistic jackals whom are only desperate for power. -
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow was an okay movie.
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That's what they were saying on the ride to Coruscant at least...
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What is happening! George Bush is a great man, I know it is easy to mock him. But how many illiterate rednecks do you know who get to become the most powerful man in the world?
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Harry,
Respect the office and the country and voice your opinion on election day instead of pissing and moaning like the typical liberal you are.
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Goonies are good enough
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Remember, he is easier to charge once he is out of office.
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May 08, 2008 2:28:50 PM CDT
GREAT POST HARRY. YOU PERSONALLY OPENED MY EYES TO OBAMA
by bringingsexyback
some months ago and triggered my switch to his camp. As I've said before, I've found this site to have some of the most intelligent and stimulating political discourse around. Plenty of reasonable people on both sides of the aisle have contributed, and you've never once, considering your own Liberal leanings, censored any right-wingers for speaking out. So any of these bitches who complain about you expressing your own opinion on your own fucking site can take some of their own advice: Love it or leave it. Sayonara!
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What? Too soon?
Bush bad, rawr! Bush, worst President ever! Rawr!
Any Titanic jokes as long as we're hitting these hot topics at the height of their popularity? Honestly, this movie is about 6 years too late to be poignant scathing commentary and maybe 10-15 years too early to be historically interesting. Move on. -
I just noticed the Spoiler box. For a historical film, where we know what's gonna happen?
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Unless you are talking about price per barrel you are wrong. Gas today was around 3.80. It was not 0.95 is 99. Also, if people overextended themselves by getting a mortgage they couldn't afford, that is not unjustly being kicked out of their houses. That is being held accountable for your actions. I don't think the current administration has been particularly good, but not everything that is wrong in this country and in the world is Bush's fault. Also, how come it is never brought up that the Democratic Congress' approval rating is lower than the President's?
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May 08, 2008 2:32:58 PM CDT
South Park had a term for people like Harry: "Aging Hippy Libera
by real american
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When a title starts off with, "As if..." it's followed up by a recounting of something even worse. But, I suppose it's no surprise that yours didn't, Headshill, since you can't write. I can't wait to see the "unbiased" *cough*bullshit*cough* "review" you vomit out for this one.
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"Aging Hippy Liberal Douche"
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Doesn't matter if you're liberal or a REAL conservative, his policies and his person have been disastrous. NEO-conservatives will feel differently, but no one ever accused them of thinking anyway.
All of this begs the question, who is going to see this film? Maybe it's bait to get the Karl Rove fans into one building so that they can be conveniently gassed and disposed of? -
AND SOYLENT GREEN IS...PEOPLE!!!!
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This "article"
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And you know what old Jack Burton always says in a time like this? Who? Jack Burton. ME.
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The sagging economy has much to do with the mortgage crisis. And the mortgage/credit crisis has to do with banks giving (giving is the key word) people WAY more money than they could afford. Now they can't pay the banks. And the banks need money. The needing of that money causes the interest rate to drop, which in effect causes the dollar to drop in value. Again, I will stick to what I said GWB has very little (his crazy spending does not help, but is not the main or even the secondary problem) to due with the value of the dollar.
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That would be Jimmy Carter.
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Between AICN, Peter David's blog, Mark Evanier's blog, and all the sci-fi/fantasy conventions I've attended, it's become clear to me we're not welcome. I guess us stodgy oil-rich fat-cats can't comprehend notions of the fantastical or whimsical, but only think about eating babies.
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For all of you who want to blame everything that is happening today on W, you need to go READ what his ACTUALLY happening then. Housing crisis has NOTHING to do with him; it has EVERYTHING to do with unethical lenders. Oil prices are the problem of Repubs and Dems alike, for the Repubs have money being filtered into their back pockets and Dems have their anti-oil/pro-environmental agenda propelled by this. THESE TWO THINGS ARE THE FUNDAMENTAL REASONS WHY WE ARE IN AN ECONOMIC CRISIS!
As for the "unjustified war", well that is a topic that is widely debated, and we as a country will never come to a consensus on that. I personally agree with the reasons for war, but thought the execution was horrendous. But I understand the anti-war sentiment. However, IT IS COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE AND ARROGANT TO KEEP USING THE "BRAVE YOUNG MEN DYING" ARGUMENT ALL THE TIME, FOR MOST OF THEM ARE PROUD AND WANT TO BE THERE! Don't be so goddamned assinine to USE THEM to further your weak arguments. Every one of my friends in the military (and I know a good bit) hate the way people use them for their own gains. Enough already, you arrogant prick!
So start educating yourself before you speak, you moron. I come here for movie news, not you convoluted diatribes. If you could present ONE shred of evidence as to why W is the cause of the Oil prices and more importantly the Sub Market crisis, then I am all willing to read and accept some of what you say. Until then, shut your cum bucket up! -
May 08, 2008 2:39:57 PM CDT
I love the people asking us to check politics at the door
by hawaiian organ donor
Obviously they don't come to AICN enough. This site has had some epic political TBs, really excellent back and forths that needed to be commended.And Real American deserves to be dropped into Basra a la Bruce Willis in Die Hard 3 with a sign that says "I hate camel jockeys."Dude, Jimmy Carter was a crappy president (this coming from a liberal) but he wasn't a degenerate douchebag who wiped his arse with the Constitution, went on vacation while one of his cities sank, fabricated a mountain of lies to convince the public to go to war and continued to protect corporations and the wealthy while the rest of the country burned.Here's a nickel. Go buy a clue.
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He looks more like Tom Brokaw than G.w.B.
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May 08, 2008 2:41:30 PM CDT
Actually I'd say Lyndon Baines Johnson was worse
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Mother fucker blatantly assassinated how many other three letter initial name guys? JFK, RFK, MLK, and who knows the ones we don't even know about! Most importantly, he authorized operation Snake Eater and had Naked Snake assassinate The Boss.
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FUCK YOU! Bush did not save my life you asshole. Have we been attack? Fuck you! Those people attack like every 15 years. Even if we did nothing after 911 they still would not have attacked us for awhile and they will attack again. This is a made up war to fight nothing. You can't win the war on terror. It's not a country it can't be stopped. As long as there are assholes in world like you. there will always be terror. I want to kick you in the face for being such a ignorant asshole!
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The easter bunny has higher approval ratings than Bushie.
Just because some people think there doing a good job doesn't mean we have to subscribe to your delusions.
Were not Biased, we live in reality.
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Couldn't have put it better myself. It still amazes me that some people still don't get it. What's worse is that they probably never will.
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Although I have no love for Bush, he inherited a shitty position made possible by Clinton's failure to realize the importance of a powerful standing military presence backed by an equipped intelligence community. Clinton gutted both.
No president since FDR has had such shitty circumstances with which to manage (W was slammed from the get go with the dot-com bubble bursting, 9/11/01, real estate collapse, ad naseum), yet we as a country persevere.
Carter is one of the worst and I weep to think where we would be now if Gore had won. Bush is, truly, the lesser of all evils.
And I never once voted for the man.
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that's why he is in power. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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And this isn't a joke. Check out his eyes. He looks like he has a soul. Now look at Bush's eyes. Can you? Do they even exist? They're like two black holes in his tiny monkey head. It's disturbing.
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256 more days of embarrassment and counting...
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When Bush was sworn into office, gas was $0.91 at the place down the street from my house. This morning it was $3.59, so just a few percentage points below 400%. And the Democratic congress has made me sick. I understand that they don't have enough votes to push their agenda through, but they aren't even trying. So the Democratic leadership can go take a flying leap too.Fake American, respect is NEVER given. It is earned. I'll respect the office of the President when there's a person in it who does something to earn my respect. And if you think that by disrespecting the President a person is disrespecting the country, you're a Faux News tool that spends too much time chest thumping to Hannity and O'Reilly.
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May 08, 2008 2:51:18 PM CDT
Dubya not responsible for economic mess?
by half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder
Well....not if you mean that he personally took out an unsecured loan for 13 trillion dollars on a million dollar home.
But other than that, does slashing funding to industry watchdogs agencies and oversight committees qualify for "Economic Responsiblity"? You bet yer Dubya-sucking ass it does....... -
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is not an argument for Bush as a leader or a human being. The fact is...More than half of the voters didn't want Kerry. There's a big difference.
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It's comments like yours that just ruin the credibility of all apologists.
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May 08, 2008 2:54:37 PM CDT
Ah, the ol' "Blame the last presidency" routine the cons love
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
And you threw that last "as a committed dem blah etc." line in there to make it look like there's something substantial to your person eh Bruce?
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Where can I donate?
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Four years from now you and the rest of your ignorant breed will be wishing and praying that President Obama had his own Dick Cheney helping him run the show. Seriously shut the fuck up about politics you dumb mother fucker.
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Try this analogy - if your town's mayor chopped the police force by half, are you going to exclusively blame the criminals for taking advantage of your idiot mayor's stupidity? 'Cause that's just what you Shrub loyalists are doing........."Fuck the roof over my family's head! Fuck the roof over my neighbor's head! Fuck my SUV's bottomless appeteite! Fuck everybody that doesn't admire me! I am DEFINED by Blind Loyalty!" Who gives a shit about the rest of the country, as long as you can just keep patting yerself on the back, all the way to the poorhouse, eh? Morons.
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Stupid mother fuckers can't manage their money and are too fucking stupid to know you can't buy a $500,000 house for $1500 a month with a monthly salary of $1200. Ol' Dub fucked up a lot of shit, but you can't hang THAT one on him.
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The first 15 minutes of WTC were great but the rest was fucking crap.
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Harry,
your opinion not only negates any review or feelings you have about this movie, it also illustrates how jaded you are about a country that gives you the freedom to write about the things you write and to even have this website. W is not perfect. no president ever was or will ever be, but to demonize this man who has presided over a country that has been in more danger since pearl harbor is irresponsible, uninformed, and wreckless.
you shouldn't venture into this forum.
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But deny the facts to your folly, Guy. The presidency is linear, the actions of the past effect the responses that follow. I hate that I have to defend the twat...
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My Dad, for voting for Nixon twice or me, for voting for this pinhead? I just don't know. If there was one great point from 'Charlie Wilson's War', it is that no matter the party alliance, there is no way a politician can do something without it getting f#cked by the political system. There will be no more great leaders, a good man or woman never leaves Washington- no matter how many go there. Paint your windows white and soak your newspapers, avoid breathing, stay off my lawn. I'll fight like Jason Robards, but it won't end in a tearful hug. Squidward said "FUTURE! FUTURE! FUTURE!" and I agree. Ye-ikes.
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would you go see this movie if you've had the misfortune of living through the las 8 years. Go away Oliver stone and take this stupid movie with you. BTW in what alternate reality is Brolin young?
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You will see Bush TWO more times if you do bad.
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The Lawsons are Back! This time they got Vicki on solar power & the laughs won't stop!!! Vicki will be played by Shannen Doherty, & Billy Corgan back as Jamie.
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Is amazing. This is the first thing about this movie that's actually gotten me interested. In the movie, that is.
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Doesn't anybody have an opinion about Bush? Don't be afraid to speak up.
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The people that are saying the banks/lenders are the culprits are right, but what allowed that to happen? Lack of regulation and oversight.
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The election of the worst President in my lifetime has only the American people he shits on to blame. Harry, I could care less about the 1 in 1000 posts about your political views on this site. This post is 25% movie related and 75% opinion. So it qualifies as MOVIE NEWS. Not to mention, this is AICN, a website owned by Mr. Fabulous himself The Headgeek. This is not my version of a stroke piece on Harry's behalf, but if all the whiners want to complain about the political views of Harry, I say STFU and start your own movie website. Post nothing but movie news 'till your hearts content. Until that day comes when you feel passionate enough about something to post it on the one outlet you love most, YOUR OWN DAMN WEBSITE.
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relax.
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May 08, 2008 3:03:13 PM CDT
nobody gives a shit about your simplistic Nickelodeon politics,
by tompiltoff
I have absolutely no problem with educated critique but your kind of 'Bush is the devil' speak has become a mantra that stupid people love to chant.
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I reckon.
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May 08, 2008 3:04:25 PM CDT
Now it's Bush's fault for home forclosures!? Try reading your co
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That, my friends is the Bush legacy. I know, it was also a disfunction of congress, but when the leaders of the party in power let you get away with anything as long as you return the favor...all I know is we will be paying for this for many years to come.
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I love how "Faux News" is thrown around with such assuredness and pride when I haven't seen a single post say anything remotely original about Bush or what has happened during his term. It's like Chris Matthews is writing every post. And did anyone ever consider that the mortgage crisis began because the Democrats got into Congress and began talking about forgiving loans and penalizing lenders so that the banks are afraid to lend any money? Also, why are the banks being villified in the first place? Whatever happened to buying homes YOU CAN AFFORD? You have people who could not afford the homes they bought defaulting on their morgages... hmm... people unable to afford the homes they took morgages out on NOT BEING ABLE TO PAY FOR THEM... wow, it MUST be George Bush's fault. Here's a hint for all the basement dwellers who don't own their own place yet: Read the mortgage terms and find out if your interest rate jumps 20% in five years and determine whether or not you can afford it then. But don't blame banks because idiot "homeowners" got mortgages they could not afford down the line. Oh, and for all the environmentalists around, how's that whole ethanol thing workin'? Hmm. Well, we're (allegedly) saving the environment, but now about a billion Chinese people got knocked back into poverty because they can't afford corn or rice anymore. So, before you start making comments about things you obviously don't understand, why don't you think or go read about it? If you're not willing to do that, go back to the Transformers post and bitch about Jonah Hill.
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...while I don't necessarily believe part one of this, parts two and three deserve consideration: go and watch this http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com
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Olive Stone is jackass. I can't wait until his 2012 film 'Obama' where they reveal he's actually been a black guy the whole time at the end.
Josh Brolin is retarded for taking this role, as is Elizabeth Banks. JD's girlfriend from Scrubs as the devil's wife--perfect. Does anyone else think she, Amy Smart, and Kristanna Loken are the same person?
There's no reason for this film to exist, who the fuck wants to watch a recap of Bush's biggest flubs wrapped around made up or exaggerated "behind closed doors" moments? I don't give two shits if he beat his wife or drank a beer in the oval office before giving his state of the union address. Does anyone else? "So that's what he did in the moments following Hurricane Katrina. Somehow I always knew it involved a rubber chicken and an ounce of weed." Eagerly awaiting the millions of people that see this film and use it as the basis for all of their talking points while they discuss politics between rounds of Halo 3 and cheeto sandwiches. -
When Bush was sworn in they were $1.47, and increase of .20 cents. If that rate of increase had kept up, gas should now be $2.87. Damn you, Bush! I want my dollar a gallon back!
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I was going off of http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/txt/ptb0524.html which showed average price of gas was 1.69 in 2000. There is a lot of blame to be spread around and the us/them Democrat/Republican thought process will not fix the issue, but rather will help keep the status quo which all politicians want (with the possible exception of Obama.) It's not worth going into anything about the war because it's all been said before and everyone is stuck with what they believe, but it's important to remember that nearly every politician supported it no matter what letter preceeds their name. There's no easy answers to the problems that exist, but many things Bush gets saddled with are not directly or solely his fault. Katrina is a good example, because that should have been a state issue first and foremost, but the corrupt LA and New Orleans government made an already horrible situtation worse. The Feds response was awful also, but technically it should have been a state issue first. Lastly one thing people bring up is Bush's drug use. Hope none of you went to Ironman, because God knows RDJr. did a helluva lot more coke than Bush ever did.
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I don't always agree with your opinions on movies, but in the case of Bush I do. I am also baffled at why Bush gets defended so often. He has done absolutely nothing to be proud of.
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May 08, 2008 3:08:14 PM CDT
tompiltoff- except Harry didn't call him the Devil, you did.
by samsquanch
He called him the worst president ever, which is arguably true. His approval rating is lower than Nixon's. This isn't a 'mantra', because you know if the numbers were reversed people like you would be singing them to the sky day and night.
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I live in NC and to be honest I should add that the gas station I live close to had the lowest price in town at that time. It was at least 10 cents more expense everywhere else in the city.
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Mellow out, dude. I'm pretty sure Darth Macchio's post was tongue in cheek. It had all of the biggest cliches in it, like "Bush saved us from the terrorists" presented with the appropriate amount of sarcasm.
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Apparently has a control room in it filled with buttons. One says "Raise Gas Prices", the other says "Lower Gas Prices". One says: "Cause People to Default On Their Outrageous Mortgages", the other says: "Keep Morons Buying Giant Houses They Can't Afford". Another says: "Cure Cancer", the other says "No, Don't". I voted for Bush (twice), and I'm not happy with a lot of his aw-shucks Huckabee evangelical liberalism when it comes to things like open borders and tacking on prescription drug benefits to Medicare . . . but even if he was a rock-solid conservative, there ain't magic buttons in the oval office to make our big, messy economy do whatever the president wants.Although I realize some candidates talk like there is. There ain't. The president doesn't control the stock market and the oil futures market and so on from the Whitehouse. It's just silly to act like it does.And, even then, lots of sectors of the economy remain strong. Unemployment is still very low in America, especially compared to the rest of the world (why we're so worried about the opinions of unemployed Europeans, I'm not sure). Our economy has to be hella-robust to have endured these oil prices and the foreclosure crisis (which also should be put in perspective: it's a fraction of a fraction of folks getting foreclosed on, just more than normal). And the legislation that loosened up lending laws to allow these sorts of insane balloon payment and zero-down mortgages was strictly bi-partisan, folks. Politicians of all political stripes like to go to nice dinners paid for by mega-banks. ;)
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I just wish there was a geek movie review site from unabashedly rightwing nerds. You know, someone that would hurl a bunch of barely considered invective about Barack Obama because "we don't need a brotha in the White House." How come all the nerds on the internet are pinkos? I love how you leftists lay all the world's problems at the feet of Bush, yet your pussy-ass worldview would solve nothing. I would love to hear some of your laughable solutions to, for instance, the gas price crisis. Probably something analogous to sucking OPEC's dick, or sucking Europe's 2 incher. But there will be no solutions, just moronic Bush bashing. Btw, I think he sucks too, but thats just because he's letting Third World shitbags into our country at alarming and ever-growing rates.
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...but I'm glad that Bush finally identified who our enemies are after almost thirty years of attacks by Islamic extremists. Ignoring them and treating them as separate crimes was exactly the wrong approach. And yes, we sold Iraq weapons, armed Osama bin Laden, blah, blah, blah. Right. We live here, now. What should we do? And that's an actual question. I want to know what all the critics of Bush would rather do. What would your foreign policy plan be? How about your domestic policy? What would you do about Islamic extremism? What would you do about the immigration problem? Really. I'd like to see something borderline intelligent--I know that might be asking too much, but I'm interested to see someone throw out something better than "Bush is a monkey" or "Fuck Bush" or repeat the latest witticism from Jon Stewart. Please. Let's have it.
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Worse, an uninformed fool.
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May 08, 2008 3:17:06 PM CDT
George Bush is "The Adventures of Pluto Nash" of Presidents.
by kevin holsinger
Way over budget, poorly received, and the product of too many people in the creative process refusing to admit that the product needed a SERIOUS rewrite.See, ladies and gentlemen, it's possible to discuss both movies AND politics on this website.Now I invite you to provide your own "George Bush is the X of Presidents" line, if you're so inclined.
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In every possible way. And then he became the worst ex-president ever. Bush may be the worst president ever for liberals, because they hate him so much. But viewed objectively, the peanut farmer was the worst president. Except possibly Harding. Hoover was not as bad as people like to say, really, but he could be up there.Compare any metrics: stagflation, misery index, unemployment, fuel shortages, embassies held hostage, blaming the American public for anything bad in his administration, cozying up to anyone who wants to eradicated the Jewish race . . . Jimmy Carter was and is a hoser.Worst. President. Ever.
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It's simple. When the government spends more than it takes in, it has to borrow that money. But the fed has a fixed interest rate policy because if they allow the free market to control rates, they would be well over 20% right now and economic growth would be at a standstill. So they print up whatever they need at artificially low interest rates, making responsible savers into suckers and encouraging people to take on as much debt as possible, with rates that don't even exceed real inflation.
Bush is not the only one to blame, but he has tipped the balance with trillions of dollars in war spending. Inflation is going through the roof because the dollar is backed by ever-increasing debt instead of a fixed commodity. Even if we had a growing GDP, it would never be able to catch up because everything is based on a heavily manipulated CPI figure. It WILL crater and soon. The crisis right now is a direct result of the Federal Reserve trying to cater to the Republicrats desire to enrich their buddies with massive government contracts. The democrats won't fix this, they'll only make it worse. Then a Republican will get in and he will make it worse. But they are all to blame.
Interest rates should be allowed to float, banks should be allowed to fail, and wars should be conducted by referendum (with all the people voting in favor of it personally responsible for ALL fighting and funding, the fucking chicken hawk cocksuckers!!). Same goes for nationalized health care and global warming carbon taxes, those in favor pay for it, while the rest don't. Stop putting my money where your mouth is.
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In terms of box office. Certain folks might love Oliver for it, but when even avowed Bush-haters are saying they'll pass, I expect the worst Stone Box Office returns. Ever.
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The disgusting clueless left-wing liberals like Hary, or the clueless right wing fanatics. What I do know is neither speak for the majority of Americans. The problem is, neither group realize it...and never will.
At this point, the liberals have more ammo, but no facts to back up their arguments. They simply speak in absolutes. Bush knew this, Bush knows that. Guess what, he fucked up, but it's not an ego trip. Does any left wing fuck actually think Bush wanted this as his legacy. Buy a clue dumbfucks.
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There just so happens to be such a site:
http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/
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Would you be surprised?
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Although, no worse that pre-emptive strike wars. I think we need to skip those in the future.
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But you can’t blame Bush for the housing mess. It is both the Republicans and Democrats fault for this debacle. The government needs to have more regulation on new investment vehicles. Everyone was hot over Hedge Funds and Sub-Prime lending at one time or another. Nobody says shit when these are introduced as the newest way to make a quick buck to the public. Look at the FDA for example. Would they just start putting drugs out to the public without years of rigorous testing? Something similar needs to be done for the number of financial industries. People who are responsible with their money have to dig these dopes out of financial pits because there are dopes out there trying to make a quick buck without thinking of the consequences.
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How about CNG instead of oil? Never heard of it? Compressed Natural Gas. Plenty of it everywhere...even in the US, burns clean, and you can buy kits to retrofit most current cars. Problems with it are the size of the tanks (about the size of a trunk) and the scarcity of stations. Prices vary from around 65 cents a gallon to about 2.50, depending on states.
Now I wonder why oil man like the one in the WH never considered that as a solution to foriegn oil. Maybe....hmmmmm...profit.
We know real world solutions, dick. They may not be able to be put on a bumper sticker so your simple minded ass can understand them, but they're real, they work, and they're coming!!
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and fuck all the wingnuts who venture to this site...hollywood is evil anyway...you guys should be in church, or fighting in iraq...or having gay sex in a public restroom
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Right up there with Hitler: the Rise of Evil and HBO's Stalin.
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He is a well initentioned fool. Some people like to think of him as Evil, but just is not the case. To be Evil he would need to be smart enough to plan things out. I love it when people try to say he's both the dumbest man to ever occupy the office and at the same time insist he is so diabolically evil he planned out the most well orchestrated well executed evil plan of all time. He is simply a guy who's way in over his head.
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It looks like a cartoon version of the President's life, who will be remembered, by the way, as one of the greatest in American history.
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The WMDs were not there when we got there, but the intelligence suggested that they were. But intelligence is not a science--it's a lot of inference and interpretation. And it was obviously good enough to earn a majority of Congress. But regardless, the idea behind Iraq was to set an example in the middle east that totalitarian regimes would not be tolerated. It is less about democracy in Iraq than it is about democracy in the middle east in general. It should be noted that every landmark the democrats said the Iraqis would not achieve has been achieved--time and time again. They had elections, they formed a more than provisional government, horribly violent regions have seen dramatic reductions in violence, etc. But to admit those successes would not be in the interests of those who oppose the war. I don't mind opposition to the war, but willful stubbornness and ignorance is sad. Especially because odds are just about everyone who now opposes Iraq, supported intervention in Somalia and Bosnia, where the US had no real interest. The argument has been made that if we are going to take down the Iraqi dictator (Saddam) why don't we take down everyone? That argument goes both ways, though. Somalia and Bosnia were not the only regions in the world suffereing from strife, civil war, etc. Why didn't we help out in the other places? I'm not necessarily saying we should not have intervened in those situations, but the fact is, a lot of people ONLY oppose the Iraq War because it was instigated by a Republican, Bush. And I just wish they'd admit it. Because then we could stop arguing about the war's reasoning since NO reason Bush had would justify it for them. We could move on and start bitching about how much Spider-Man 3 sucked.
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that is all
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He singlehandedly destroyed the Republican party once and for all. For that we should thank him. Thanks Dubya! Thanks for being the worst President in US history!
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Same disheveled hair too. Fucking pissants.
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May 08, 2008 3:36:28 PM CDT
Worst President in modern history, Jimmy Carter...hands down.
by blue_demon
G.W. Bush has done quite a bit for Africa Harold. Not that you'd care to acknowledge that.And yeah, Bush should be blamed for the mortgage crisis. Bastard went all over the country with a gun and put it to the temples of people forcing them to buy houses they could not afford.You're not bright Harry. Never have been. You're emotional, that's pretty much it.
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Gas prices have gone up, but this knee jerk blame Bush mentality leaves you no room for digression or articulation. Oil prices have gone up because the Chinese and Indian economy have been growing at a tremendous rate. While the demand for the energy that our country needs has grown marginally, those economies need has exploded. The OPEC nations realized that by not upping their output dramatically they would reap huge profits as demand for a finite amount of barrels increases their price. Energy companies, while paying more for the oil, also have the option of just raising prices so consumers pay for it. This raises the numbers on their stock prospectus, and the shareholders in these companies get fat and happy.
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and yet it used to be. believe it or not, in particular you 20somethings, America was looked up to, admired and respected by the free world. you were the ones keeping us all safe from the Soviet threat. but then the Soviet threat went away, and, alas, in the face of these new threats, whether actual or manufactured, you have been exposed as not being able to keep a lesbian's chastity safe in a gay Turkish bathhouse. what a shame, and i do mean that sincerely. the world was a better place when one could look upon the Americans as friends, guardians and what have you with nothing but pride. and it doesn't seem that any of the potential next presidents have that charisma to put you back up on that pedestal.
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I'd ignore them and stay the fuck out of their countries so that people wouldn't be angry enough to sign up in any significant numbers. When dealing with a whiny baby, you don't slap it in the face to get it to shut up. You stop stepping on its foot and let it finish crying itself out. If the Chinese came to America to free us from Bush, and then decided to stay and rape our wives and children, would anybody be thanking them for getting rid of Bush? They'd be happy to see Bush gone, but nobody would thank the Chinese because it's none of their fucking business. They'd be shot at from every window in every red state (the blue states being disarmed and whatnot). Only pussies with guilty consciouses worry about "Islamofascism." I'm from the home of the brave, land of the free, so fuck off and go join Israel army if you want to duke it out with the Muslims. We have far more serious problems right here at home that are a direct result of reckless spending in foreign, unwinnable wars. Al Quaeda could have never hoped to hurt America as much as the cost of these wars have. We'll be paying the price for the next century at least.
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Wow. Thanks for regurgitating the arguments of 2004 for the Iraq War. What a trip down memory lane and a fine example of how stupidly gullible some people are to the most asinine propaganda. Leave the political analysis for those who actually analyze.
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Seriously, the lower your dollar gets and the stronger the Australian Dollar the more of your shit I can import from y'all... Loving your work W.. Love it long time.
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Abraham Lincoln in comparison. This incompetent fuck should never have had a second term in office. I'm not even a democrat and I hate this guy. He'll be gone soon and perhaps the next douche the American public elects will do something a little different.
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hehehe
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Is that the crisis where 98% of homeowners are paying their mortgages?
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"I don't feel there's a single disputable statement in my story."
Harry can feel all he wants. His story is the ravings of a madman.
"The dollar has crashed"
Which is pretty good if you export products overseas.
"mortgage crisis is grotesquely out of hand"
Mainly because of fools who got in over their heads.
"we are in a completely unjustified war"
Nope. The War on Terror, including the Iraq Theater, is totally justified.
"and the United States is at an all time low in world opinion."
Which is why, one supposes, even France has elected a pro American, pro Bush President.
"And defenders of this jackal astound me. What exactly has he done that you're proud of? What singular accomplishment can you herald? Did he do ANYTHING that he promised?"
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Vinnick Vs. Santos?
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May 08, 2008 3:44:04 PM CDT
"keep a lesbian's chastity safe in a gay Turkish bathhouse"
by laserpants
Haha! Thats a great image! I'm totally using that.
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Dude, you're a grossly obese wheelchair bound man-child who collects Star Wars props... write a good review now and then before you throw the word cretin around.
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If Bush were just a stupid fuckup, then statistically speaking, wouldn't he fuck up at least once in our favor in his eight years in office? Not a joke, think it through. Think about what the odds of that must be.
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Right. And after a total of two insults you contributed nothing to the discussion. So since you're obviously an acute political analyst, what's the REAL reason for the war? I'm sure you got it right there on the tip of your tounge. Lemme guess: Blood for oil. That's right. Or rednecks like to kill people. How about the "2004" arguments for the Iraq War are THE arguments for it? They were then as they are now.
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Hell, Bill Clinton is ahead of him in that department. Welfare reform, NAFTA, Somalia, Yugoslavia, and all the while downsizing of the US military and intelligence operations to the point where the nation was ill prepared for 9/11.
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if by justified you mean, supported with lies, false information, undertaken with completely overinflated estimations on the Iraqi reaction and the amount of damage that would have to be inflicted, all the while, having not finished anything in Afghanistan and leaving the military overstrained and in a bad position, while creating corrupt governments bleeding us dry of men and money, then yes you stupid fucking jackass it was fucking justified you ignorant cunty. Are you shitting me with the whole not one American has died on American soil bullshit or is that really something you point to in making a case for this asshat? Sit there and smear some more shit on your face for a while, you'll feel better.
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Don't forget that Germany has also recently elected America-friendly leaders. (Italy too? I don't remember.)
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Then if you had someone else in that White House they would have done exactly the same thing as Bush did. You cannot be attacked and not fight back, it's not in Americas blood.He was the most unfortunate president in history by being in that seat at that time. I'm not saying he was right, I'm only saying that the plan would have been the same under any government.Oh and give him some credit for staying the course. Unlike our chickenshit bastard of a Prime Minister, he didn't run off when the heat was unbearable and leave Cheney in charge.
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How many terrorist attacks have there been in the US since 9/11?
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I believe the price of Prozac decreased during Bush's terms. Perhaps you should investigate that.
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As a Texan, don't get too upset over Harry's remarks: he's an Austinite. His views are commonplace in the same "hippie/liberal/new-age" city that wants to "keep Austin weird" by totally selling out (and have, the city becomes more and more to resemble the homogenous "Austin" brand each year) to cash in on the "Austin Vibe" yet feel safe from hypocracy by banning large-scale retailers in city limits (ie, they drive an extra five minutes to shop there when not trying to vote a homeless transvestite or hacky sack mayor). Liberal or Conservative... I've never really met a non-Austinite that takes Austin seriously. The consensus it: it can be a fun town, but it and its natives are on par with Madison (Wisconsin) or Santa Fe or Portland, which are all fun towns that no one takes seriously.
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I am truly--er--astonished.
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...how come we're being invaded by economic refugees from Mexico and Harry isn't rotting in Gitmo for his George Soros-approved whining?!?
If were were truly living in the Dark Night of Fascism that hysterical liberal fascists (real meaning of the word, not the Newspeak def that the Left has warped it to as meaning anything they don't like) such as Harry, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins, Michael Moore, and Oliver Stone keep claiming non-stop in the media (spot the irony yet?), how come they are being disappeared by death squads or being imprisoned like critics of Castro and Hugo Chavez are? Hmmmm?!? What kind of Bizarro-World are all you fools living in where real tyrants are fellated by Hollywood and a hapless, inarticulate doof like Dubya is castigated as some sort of Sith Lord?
I don't feel there's a single disputable statement in my story. The dollar has crashed, mortgage crisis is grotesquely out of hand, we are in a completely unjustified war, and the United States is at an all time low in world opinion. - And defenders of this jackal astound me. What exactly has he done that you're proud of? What singular accomplishment can you herald? Did he do ANYTHING that he promised?
Coming from the foul-mouthed lunkhead who thinks "chocolate-covered pussy juice" is a phrase that will make Kael and Ebert weep with inadequacy, it reveals that the fantasy realms of comic books and sci-fi films extend to his mindless parroting of the Can'tMoveOn.Argh!/DailyKostex/PuffinstuffHost shibboleths.
The dot.bomb boom and "balanced budget" (covered with SocSec revenues) of the Nineties that Clinton gets all the credit for came about because conservative Republicans (not the Dem Lite losers there now) restrained government expansion and free market capitalism was allowed to work. Unfortunately, it was a house of cards because while Clinton partied, Enron & Pals were not being watched by Janet Reno's Justice Dept. because to do so would reveal the impending collapse that the next President would have to mop after. Same with Clinton's non-response to repeated Islamofascist attacks upon the WTC, American Embassies, USS Cole, and Khobar Towers; militant Islam had declared war on us for a decade, it wasn't until 9/11 and Dubya that we fought back.
Al Gore is the luckiest guy on Earth. Instead of reaping the bitter harvest of Clinton-era fecklessness, he got to run around in his Gulfstream, frightening people with his ManBearPig fairy tale, collecting Oscars and Nobel Prizes for junk science that is being debunked right now by the fact that we've had the coldest winter in ages and no hurricanes of note since Katrina. Nice work if you can get it!
Harry - The dollar crashed after the Dems got Congress back. The "mortgage crisis" affects only 4% of homeowners and is the result of stupid people buying more houses than they could afford in the crazy hope that the housing bubble would just keep expanding and cover their bad bets. Other than the radical Marxist racist hate-monger, Barack Obamessiah, the vast majority of Dems thought the Iraq War WAS justified, only to go Orwellian and accuse Dubya - the "stupidest President evar!" according to you, Harry - of pulling a Jedi mind trick on them when it wasn't over in 60 minutes. (We would be out of their by now if we'd actually fought a war instead of shackling our soldiers with suicidal ROEs.) The world hates us because they envy us - they've been seeking to tie us down like Gulliver forever; morons like you just noticed when a guy with an (R) designation moved into the Oval Office.
Those are the inconvenient truths, Harry. Stupid partisan morons such as yourself won't accept them because that would violate your deepest held religious beliefs that only fascist Democrats should be permitted to rule over us. For people who want freedom, the fact that so many ignorant fools are falling for the Obamessiah's empty bromides of "HOPE!" and "CHANGE!" is terrifying to witness. I know why this is happening: People are ignorant and brainwashed by the Treason Media to accept the rhetoric. How do I know? Because I was a clueless Perot supporter in 1992 who bought into his nonsense. I didn't know any better. A few years later, after I'd started to study politics, I realized what a chump I was and the same will happen with today's Obamessiah cultists. Whether this happens before or after he is elected, surrenders the War against Islamofascism, and Israel and some American cities disappear in nuclear fireballs is the only open question.
As for Stone's movie - it's going to suck, flop, and waste millions of studio dollars and make its stars radioactive with at least half of the audience. I know people who refuse to see movies with anti-American stars. If Harry could stop visually inspecting his colon and sucking up to extreme Leftist Hollyweird types he calls pals, he might notice this for himself. Naw, probably not. -
Just you wait; Obama is going to turn out to be the AntiChrist. Either he gets elected and immeadiatly brings on the Apocalypse, or Clinton/McCain will get it, fail miserably, and we'll elect Obama to bring about the end of days. Both of them make sense, seeing as the Mayan Callender is running out in 2012 and that means an election year!
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But I don't really want to see Oliver Stone's inevitably fictitious account of him, either. This just seems like it's gonna be Stone's 2.5-hour Bush-bashing session. No thanks. But Josh Brolin is awesome.
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I want to see this, it's looks great. This isn't the first time they made a movie about a current president, remember Primary Colors?
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Anyone who claims that a sitting president is the worst of all time is obviously politically motivated in their statement. There is no way you can judge how history will view Bush. Being controversial at the time is not the same as being a bad president. If Iraq goes well he will be remembered as controversial, yet overall justified by the lack of a terrorist attack in our country after 9-11. Bush may be the worst ever, he may not, but for you to claim one way or the other shows a lack of insight and perspective.
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May 08, 2008 4:03:43 PM CDT
God I love how conservatives are quickly becoming a novelty
by industrykiller!
More for entertaining with their ignorance (liberal fascist???!!! I love it!) than actually making a mark in the world. Wrong on every single social issue, wrong on foreign policy, wrong on religion, wrong on the environment. And now impotent in their wrath. Sublime. Keep entertaining us with your aint it cool posts guys, that's about all you can do at this point.
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Then it will be no more mister nice guy.
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It wouldn't matter...That's just one head on the Hydra. It'll just grow another head and resume its attacks.
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Obama is going to dominate!!!!
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You never tire of this stuff, God bless your heart. I'm a little fatigued from the last half-dozen political TBs. Whatever happened to GiLL?
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McCain is going to dominate!!!!!
It's fun watching the liberals here froth rave because it's the only voice they have in the last 8 years... and will continue to have... time to "move on". -
Assclown Fucktard. I hate him.
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You might want to look up the origin of fascism, and how it can apply *across* the political spectrum.
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Bush started his own little war and McLame has stated it would be "fine" with him if it continued for another hundred years. As for the film, Stone has lost a lot of his edge. However, if I discover this film is a dark satire of the Bush years, I might take a look. If it's a straight-forward drama, I've already lived through the past seven plus years of horror - I don't even need another two hours worth.
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It sounds like a black comedy about George W. Bush, which I think is a great idea.
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Let me count the ways:
1) Cokehead
2) Likes to blow shit up
3) Has the personality of a fucking asshole
4) Appeals to lowest common denominator
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"We should have bombed it."
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But will screw us up and they'll all go running back to Obama so his charming ass can bring about the End Of Days.
Oh, and Mohommed is Satan, which PROVES I'm right, eh? And Harry will just LOVE him! -
I don't know, Obama has a lot of the traits that prove successful to politicians: he's an handsome, eloquent statesman with a great speaking voice; and a family man a attractive wife and two young, adorable daughters. In contrast, the GOP is on the verge of civil war: McCain is a geriatric, political snake who has repeatedly pissed off almost everyone at one point or another, and the NRCC has come out and said it doesn't have the money "to save" congressional candidates. Most of all, the conservative and libertarian camps in the party have been as disappointed and angry as can be for years now (ie, the fund-raising base is seriously pissed and not about to pry open their wallets). Most of the Republican base will fall into line as November approaches, but...
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I want everyone on this site to go up and read Darth Macchio's post very carefully. Analyze it, and decide what you think he means by it.
All done? Okay. If you couldn't tell that he was being sarcastic, then you have been missing out on so much throughout your lives! There is so much subtext to what the people around you are saying, to what the dialogue in books and movies and TV shows means, that it totally flying over your radar! I only wish I knew a way to explain to you how to read a post like his and instantly understand that he is being sarcastic, and means the opposite of what he's saying, but I'm afraid I can't. You just have to get it. -
We’ve seen things happen over the last six years that I don’t think anybody ever thought they’d see in the United States. When people think of American identity I don’t think they think of torture, I don’t think they think of illegal wiretapping, I don’t think they think of voter suppression, I don’t think they think of no habeas corpus (no right to legal representation). Those are things that are anti-American, and yet they’ve happened, and they continue to happen.
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Obviously you don't know what the fuck is going on outside of your protective shell we call the U.S. Boarders. Let me guess, you thought 9/11 was a natural disaster. You thought the first attack on the world trade center was a natural disaster. You thought the cuban missle crisis was a natural disaster. You're looking so hard to the left it's caused you to go blind. Pull your head out of hollywood's ass and wise up.
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May 08, 2008 4:25:56 PM CDT
ALL HAIL THE SINGLE BESTEST PRESYDENT THERE EVER WAS!!!!!!
by chickengeorgevii
HARRIET MIERS WAS RIGHT!!!! GEORGE BUSH JR WAS THE BESTEST PRESIDENT TO EVER WALK THE PLANET OR FLOAT IN THE UNIVERSE!!!! HE IS A GOD!!!! THINK OF ALL THE GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS HE MADE!!! HE BROUGHT THE DICTATORSHIP OF IRAQ AND TURNED IT INTO A COMPLETE RAVISHING ANARCHY IN ONLY A FEW SHORT WEEKS!!!!! HE GOT RID OF THAT SMELLY NEW ORLEANS!!!! HE HELPED OPEN UP OVER 35,000 POSITIONS IN THE ARMED FORCES!!!! HE WALKED HAND IN HAND WITH JESUS AND THE ABDULLAH OF SAUDI ARABIA IN CRAWFORD TEXAS!!!! HE BROUGHT BACK COMPLETE ANIMOSITY BETWEEN THE USA AND RUSSIA!!!! HE SMASHED THE RECORDS FOR VACATION DAYS AND AIR FORCE ONE MILEAGE!!!! HE HELPED REDUCE THE NUMBERS OF PATIENTS CLOGGING UP DOCTORS OFFICE WAITING ROOMS BY THINNING OUT THE RIFF-RAFF!!! HE GAVE US A CHIEF JUSTICE WHO IS MAN ENOUGH TO EAT QUICHE!!!! HE GAVE TERRI SCHAIVO EXTRA TIME TO GET ALL BETTER BY THE HAND OF JEEZUS!!!! HE MADE HALLIBURTON A HOUSEHOLD NAME!!!!! HOW IS THIS PRESIDENT NOT THE GREATEST MORTAL BEING TO EVER EXIST?!?!?!?!? HE IS A GOD!!!! PRAISE HIM!!!!! GIVE HIM A STATE!!! AND NOT A SMALL STATE, BUT A BIG ONE FOR HIM TO FROLIC IN!!!!! WOOOOOO!!!! I GOTTA SHOOT MY GUN IN THE AIR NOW!!!! BUSH MAKES ME LOVE MY COUNTRY ENOUGH TO KILL THINGS!!!! LEEEETTTTTT THHHHEEEEE EEEAAGGGGLLLLEEE SOOOAAAARRRRR!!!!! I HAVE THE TALKING STICK!!!! I HAVE THE TALKING STICK!!!!...And thus, I can't wait for my $600 check to solve all my financial woes! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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read some history, nothing you listed is anywhere close to new, or anywhere close to as severe as it previously was.
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He's now officially the least popular president in modern history, including Nixon. Regardless of one's own political beliefs, the numbers don't lie: Bush's approval rating stands at about 28%. Q.E.D.
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I agree, conservative derangement over Clinton only presaged the liberal derangement over Bush...but somehow BDS seems more virulent and violent.
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...about Austin. I live in this town and it's just like you described it. Bunch of semi-yuppies that either fancy themselves as know it all college students, or they think of themselves as up-town "well rounded" citizens. These are the kind of people that do everything half-assed, meaning that they're more than happy to be in a protest about Bush or at a rally against the war, as long as it's on a Saturday, doesn't involve driving more than 5 miles away, and happens to involve music, food, and entertainment (in order words it's not a protest, it's A FREAKING CONCERT that's pretending to be a protest). Oh how I hate walking into any of the 300 Starbucks/coffee houses around here (I have to sometimes because of a certain girl) just to hear a bunch of unshaven (both men and women) wannabe hipster Gap freaks talking about Bush being the antichrist as they're typing away on their blogs and sipping on their lattes. You're so right Stevie about Austin not being considered serious in other parts of Texas, Dallas especially. Dallas is the real thing. Austin is like the obnoxious teenager who thinks they're something when everybody else just rolls their eyes at them.
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May 08, 2008 4:33:37 PM CDT
re: tompiltoff- except Harry didn't call him the Devil, you did.
by tompiltoff
I wasn't directly quoting him, you need only to read what Harry is saying to see that he's just another mindless 'Bush is bad' douche.
As I said, there are plenty of good, legitimate reasons to criticize Bush. But Harry is by far not smart enough to know what they are, nor are 99% of the liberal cockmonglers in this country. -
yeah, I remember watching a local news story in Austin several years ago about how it had the youngest homeless population of any city in the US, and the reporter kept interviewing UT (I'm guessing) philosophy dropouts or grads that put forth these very well thought out, dense sound bites about how society is punishing them for not conforming (ie, they don't get paychecks for sitting in coffee shops and hanging out on side-walks all day smoking cigarettes). I like Austin, though, especially the music scene.
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I voted for Bush and feel the man has done a fucking awesome job as president. If I could elect W for another four years I would. Mark my words, this movie will tank!
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And how many attacks were there before Bush took office? You can't honestly claim that the absence of terrorist attacks has anything to do with Bush. Take a moment and consider the myriad of ways that you personally could cripple this country if you had a grudge and nothing to lose. There are so many chokepoints in our infrastructure. It's freakin' trivial, even without a large well-funded network. Bush said that he only wiretaps terrorist suspects while defending his wiretapping of at least 10,000 people here. Do you really believe the world works like 24 and we always manage to get the terrorist right before the bomb blows up, each and every time, for each of the 10,000 terrorists hiding out there?
And let's not forget that our military had the independent authority to shoot down planes they deemed a threat before Rumsfeld rescinded that authority in July 2001. Instead, they managed to fly around for an hour and a half, waiting for authority from Cheney that never came (in time). During the Clinton years (not that I'm defending that fuck), when Payne Stewart's learjet went off course, we had F16s up there within 18 minutes.
I say that terrorism isn't quite the threat our government makes it out to be or we'd be seeing an incident every month here. Remember, terrorism is not about body count, it's about frightening us. So who's been doing the frightening? Who are the real terrorists? Seems like the media and the government to me. You'd have to be an off-the-charts paranoid cook to worry about your plane blowing up, but you only have to be capable of breathing to worry about the loss of liberties and economic freedom we've seen here.
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No one is excited about McCain. No one. Not even Republicans. No one wants someone who will continue Bush's economic policies. No thanks.
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I'm no economist, but it seems to me that it's hard to put much of the blame for high gas prices on Bush's shoulders. As people have mentioned, the increased demand from China and India have a lot to do with it, and that's only going to grow in the future. But what some people seemed to be scared to admit is that prices are going up because the supply is running out. It's called "peak oil." People have been predicting it for years. Because it takes oil millions of years to form from dead organic matter, there is only a limited amount of oil that we can ever have. Once it's gone, it's gone, and once we reach the tipping point, where our ability to expand production shrinks instead of grows, the prices are only going to keep going up.
So it's not Bush's fault that this is happening, but the myth that some of the conservatives like to cling to that the reason gas is so high is that we won't fuck up the Alaskan wilderness to get at another oil source is shortsighted. No matter what we do, oil will eventually run out, and Bush's downfall in this area has been his failure to take a leadership role in supporting the development of alternate energy sources. The problem is that we're still thinking in terms of "the price of gas", because the gasoline game is one that we're bound to lose eventually.
And I'm sorry, but if anyone from either side of the political spectrum denies that Al Gore would have done more to promote alternate energy, you're being delusional. Whether it's ethanol or hydrogen or solar power or nuclear power or whatever, this needs to be our number one priority, because it is tied to so many things, from the right's favorite punching bag of "Islamic terrorists" (funded by oil) to the left's favorite punching bag of global warming (increased by burning fossil fuels).
So even if four dollar a gallon gas isn't Bush's *fault* exactly, I think it's fair to say that if he had been more forward thinking about the issue, and made funding and encouraging of alternate energy a priority, we would be in a better position today. -
We can solve the oil crisis. We do have the technology to drill through glass.
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hopefully we'll get Bush tried for crimes against humanity/war crimes but I'm not holding my breath....he should be impeached for lying to the american people-and the rest of the world- but that might take balls on the part of comgress ....
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Hoffman has already proven that he is more than capable of playing the repressed homosexual. Maybe Stone can wrangle a heart shaped zoom in on the officer's shoes.
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I dream they will rot in prison as they should for opening the gates of Hell in the middle east, tearing up the bill of rights, and much more. They are tyrants. DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC!!!
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Harry, I love your site but you sound like an idiot when you talk about politics. The 1st ammendment guarentees that you have the right to say stupid things.
I don't like Bush either, but worst president ever?
LBJ was responsible for the Vietnam war the killed over 50,000 Americans. Go read about President Grant or Fillmore.
You blame the President for the housing crisis, the dollar, and oil prices. All of these issues have been developing for decades. Well before Bush was president. The single biggest mistake of the Bush years is the Iraq mess.
When you try to lump it all together you sound like a shallow moron. Sorry, it't the truth. -
tongue in check, honest-the solution to the gas price is simple..we take what we want and tell the mid east what we will payfor it-we "saved" Iraq so Iraq "owes" us we spend X $ a day to "fix" things so Irag will "give" us X $ of oil at say 50 a barrel.... of course you know its only a matter of time before someone suggests it.....
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The fact is, American politicians, on either side no longer fear the people. Politicians say and do what they think we the people want to hear, and unfortunately, we the people drink the Kool-Aid and elect based on charisma, fear of the other side, or ignorance. It's easy to blame the politicians, but what do you expect when their feet aren't held to the fire? What do you expect when the Election of the President resembles the process of American Idol or the election of Prom Queen in high school more than a serious debate into the future leader of this country? Is Obama, Clinton, and McCain really the best choices out there? No. They are the ones that were able to raise the money. The were the ones that garnered the attention from the media. Why in the Hell do we let the media decide who the best candidates are? You want to blame Bush? Do you actually think Kerry would have done better? How would have Gore handled 911? Until we the people demand better candidates, until we the people stop voting with our fears and emotions, this country will continue to stagger along like a drunken monkey.
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Iron-Kong: see McCain-Feingold, the final nail in the coffin of national political reform.
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The man without is not a good president, but he is can not be calledthe worst of all time.
Jimmy Carter was far worse than Bush. There were much worse presidents during the 19th Century. President Grant comes to mind. You want to talk about a BS incident that escalated a war just look at the Gulf of Tunkin
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident). The President behind this one was Johnson, I bet one of Harry heroes!
To blame Bush for the mortgage mess is insane. Blame congress for this one. Allowing people to get mortgages on houses they could not afford is what caused it not Bush.
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The first reason is the tanking dollar. Compared to many other commodities, oil prices have been relatively stagnant. Compare oil prices to the dollar index and you'll see the real problem. And the second reason is that oil producing countries no longer want to sell oil priced in dollars (because it's devaluing so quickly), so they've switched to other currencies. Iraq did this about a month before we invaded and Iran just completely their switch a few weeks ago. This is HUGE and was more of a reason for us invading Iraq than any other I've seen mentioned here. The dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency so we have to pay through our teeth, just as most of the world has been doing all these years.
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You can not dismiss the lack of WMD's by simply saying that the intelligence got it wrong. We went to war supposedly based upon that intelligence. I say supposedly, because it is my firm belief that the war was planned before the events of 9/11. There is ample proof from some of Bush's own former cabinet members who assert that plans were made at the very beginning of the Bush administration for war on Iraq. The Neo Cons (your name being a coincidence?) within the administration, hatched a scheme of transforming the middle east into a democratic paradise - or at least one more conducive to American interests. The problem was, 'how do we start a war that will transform the middle east, and make us all geniuses, when the region becomes more friendly to westerm ideals, even though it may take a generation or two, and cost untold American lives, and untold Iraqi lives, and billions upon billions of dollars?' The answer, was to manufacture evidence. And if we get caught, blame it on bad intelligence. 9/11 in itself, was not a compelling enough reason to go with Iraq. Afghanistan, yes, but Iraq had to direct ties to Al Qaida. So, the plans that had been put into place even before 9/11 - the now discredited 'intelligence' were ramped up. / 9/11 was camped onto and the legitimate outrage and revulsion that most Americans felt over that event, was turned into a war fever. Congressmen and Senators were no exception - hence your overwhelming support for war. For an illegal war. For an immoral war. Afghanistan was legal and worthy. Iraq was and is nothing more than the pipe dreams of neo-cons intent on reshaping geopolitics to their own liking - while ignoring and trampling upon the constitution and laws of this country.
Sadly, the only Americans who will ever pay for the crimes commited in our name, are the soldiers and Marines and other servicemen and women, who died for a political theory hatched by men who have never fought in a war. I find them and their defenders, pathetic. -
cause if its gonna be all velvety-gloved, as good as Brolin fits the role, why bother watching a film about one of the greatest ever setbacks for humanity?
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It's not because of who we vote for but a lack people getting involved!
That means not just in the general election but in caucuses and primaries like the system intends.
The reason the Republicans were presented with McCain as their choice was because not enough people got out there and supported real honest candidates like Ron Paul and others. The reason the Dems get Obama (or maybe Hillary if she pulls a sneaky) is because not enough got off their asses to support Richardson or somebody else.
And the real problem is they don't get off their butts because they think "Oh they don't have a chance at winning anyway."
But the only reason they don't have a chance is because people are too lazy to support them.
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... to the extent that George W. Bush has, is by default THE WORST President in American history. I sincerely don't see how it can be diminished any further and if it ever is, it will ONLY be because G.W. Bush set the precedent for it to begin with. That's my biggest criteria for how history should judge a President: did he (or she) uphold the rule of law per the Constitution, or did he/she actively ignore it? On that basis alone, Bush is the worst ever.
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I'm tired of all the Bush-hating. Hate him if you want, but it is almost a fashion statement to hate Bush. Give me a break. Lame.
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In true fascist liberal/Orwellian fashion, Node burbled, "The fact that we are having a colder than usual winter is a sign of global warming...and cyclones. The latest of which is now thought to have killed upwards of 100,000 PEOPLE. It's called SCIENCE moron."
Here are some FACTS for you to choke on, bitch! Take your ignorant ass over to the website www.wunderground.com and look up the 20 worst cyclones in world history. In fact, here they are for you:
1. Great Bhola Cyclone, Bangladesh 1970 Bay of Bengal 550,000
2. Hooghly River Cyclone, India and Bangladesh 1737 Bay of Bengal 350,000
3. Haiphong Typhoon, Vietnam 1881 West Pacific 300,000
3. Coringa, India 1839 Bay of Bengal 300,000
5. Backerganj Cyclone, Bangladesh 1584 Bay of Bengal 200,000
6. Great Backerganj Cyclone, Bangladesh 1876 Bay of Bengal 200,000
7. Chittagong, Bangladesh 1897 Bay of Bengal 175,000
8. Super Typhoon Nina, China 1975 West Pacific 171,000
9. Cyclone 02B, Bangladesh 1991 Bay of Bengal 140,000
10. Great Bombay Cyclone, India 1882 Arabian Sea 100,000
11. Hakata Bay Typhoon, Japan 1281 West Pacific 65,000
12. Calcutta, India 1864 Bay of Bengal 60,000
13. Swatlow, China 1922 West Pacific 60,000
14. Barisal, Bangladesh 1822 Bay of Bengal 50,000
15. Sunderbans coast, Bangladesh 1699 Bay of Bengal 50,000
16. Bengal Cyclone, Calcutta, India 1942 Bay of Bengal 40,000
17. Canton, China 1862 West Pacific 37,000
18. Backerganj (Barisal), Bangladesh 1767 Bay of Bengal 30,000
19. Barisal, Bangladesh 1831 Bay of Bengal 22,000
20. Great Hurricane, Lesser Antilles Islands 1780 Atlantic 22,000
How come only ONE of these occurred during the time where hysterical ManBearPig worshippers like you say that we've destroyed the world with our SUVs?!? Whoops!!! The recent cyclone will come in around #10 on this chart. If anyone has SCIENCE on his side, it's ME!!! All you have is your PROGRAMMING by the Goreacle, which you just rode into intellectual battle with only to discover it's like having a bulletproof vest made of Kleenex. PWNED J00!!!1!1!eleven!!
The Earth has warmed and cooled of its own accord for millennia. You know that Ice Age thing that covered the Northern Hemisphere? As the ice retreated – without any help from SUVs, capitalism, or Republicans, mind you – it revealed forests that the glaciers had covered. That means the planet was once very warm before becoming deadly cold and then warming back up. ManBearPig-worshipping nutjobs like you are systematically purging scientists who dare question their apocalyptic delusions of man-made global warming by pointing to the historical records of the Medieval Warm Period which was followed by the Little Ice Age. (Talk about an assault on reason!) Why Greenland is called that when it's now covered with ice? Did you know that grape vineyards used to exist in England but now (and for centuries) it has been too cold? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING?!?!?
Bugger off, you sorry fool. You've got nothing and dicing your empty babbling up like the Black Knight is easier than sleeping for me. You didn't even bring a knife to a gun fight; you brought a raised middle finger to a 500-megaton thermonuclear weapon fight! Do yourself a favor, Bub: Learn some REAL FACTS before you get publicly beaten to death again. You're welcome. kthxbai!!! -
Also Harry gas prices can not be blamed totally on Bush
1)India and China (ITS A COMMIDTY!)
2)No new refinery has been built in years
3)No drilling anywhere
4)Supply and Demand
5)Ethanol standards are different in a number of states instead of a uniform standard by region.
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Is that true...he was captured? I'm on BBC World News on PBS right now and they haven't said a word.
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Harry, since when does being the template for "comic book guy" make you a political expert? Jimmy Carter is the worst president ever, hands down.
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you know that Lincoln suspended habeas corpus to imprison political enemies (Congressmen and Senators) right? Whenever I here someone complaining about Constitutional abuse, especially regarding Bush, and not mention federalist issues... it just reeks of abject ignorance or a herd-mindset.
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"did he (or she) uphold the rule of law per the Constitution, or did he/she actively ignore it?" Read up on Lincoln -- he destroyed the Constitution more in one year than Bush has in his eight.
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Just saw in on MSNBC.com
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And that makes me really, really sad. Blaming one person for the current economic situation is absolutely ridiculous and shows an incredible lack of understanding about how the economy works. Yeah, it's easy to make Bush the scapegoat but it doesn't make it any less inaccurate. Mortgage crisis? Blame Congress, who mandated that banks make loans available to people who couldn't make the payments. High oil prices? Supply and demand, pure and simple. Oh, and it doesn't help that the environmental lobby has made it damn near impossible to access our own energy resources or build a new refinery in less than twenty years, much less get a damned nuclear power plant built. "Unjustified war"? Debatable. Some say we did a good thing by ridding the world of a mass-murdering dictator and possibly getting an actual Muslim democracy on its feet. World opinion at an all-time low? Are we so insecure with ourselves that we actually care what a bunch of third-world despots and socialist European ninnies think of us? Grow up.
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you forgot to mention that beer's existence is in direct opposition to the GW talking points. About a thousand years ago, Northern Europe made wine until an "officially" non-existent temperature trend that led to it being much cooler than it is now... then were forced to switch to grain to supply their liquid confidence.
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If you are going to call someone an idiot over their politics, it might behoove you to get your own facts straight first.The Viet Nam war was initiated in the Eisenhower administration - in 1959.
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mortgage crisis wa/is being caused by GREED.....if the people who got a variable rate mortgage(Stupidy in the first place) could make there payment when paying x% but not when they are being charged Y%
the smart move would be to roll back the rate-or simply not raise it simple because YOU CAN- and collect the payment- isnt a steady mothly payment better than forclosing and being stuck with yet another empty house? A little comon sense people- if wahsingto was a rational place they'd pass a law preventing adjustable rate morgages-or at the very least limiting them to say only 1 rate change over the life of the loan -
" Did you know George W once burnt down an orphanage to build an oil rig? The bastard did it with the kids still there just because it sounded funny....George W!!!!" This man farts hurricanes,plans wars in his sleep and has the Jedi mind control abilities to make us all vote for him..twice. They should just get Chuck Norris to play him, less CGI that way.
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Go and read Douglas Feith's "War and Decision: Inside the Pentagon at the Dawn of the War on Terrorism" and see how totally clueless you are in your baseless belief that the Iraq War was a fraud. Better yet, answer this one simple question that trips up all you "Truther" lunatics: If Team Dubya faked all the intelligence to justify going to war, WTF didn't they plant some WMDs when they got there to prevent looking like idiots? If they were willing to lie to get there, why stop? Instead of saying, "Whoops!", they could've said, "SEE?!? TOLD YA SO!!! NEVER DOUBT US!!!" and been hailed as heroes for saving the world. [crickets] Yep, thought so. And spare us the BS that you thought Afghanistan was worthy; you jokers would've been screaming if Dubya didn't go to Iraq - I remember you twerps whining that Bush 41 didn't "finish the job" in the first Gulf War - and since he did, you've naturally taken the other tack.
Admit it, whatever Dubya does would be wrong in your blinkered eyes. He could give everyone a puppy that pooped gold bars and TV sets from which porn stars and anime characters step out to have sex with you and you'd demand that he'd be impeached and executed. OTOH, if Al Gore had managed to steal the 2000 Election and had reacted to all the disasters Clinton left him in the exact same way that Dubya has, tools like you would be demanding that all critics be rounded up and shot for treason against the Fearless Leader.CLASS DISMISSED!!! -
First off Iron, John McCain was not raising the most money, he was among the weakest fundraisers in the field. If it was all about money, then Ron Paul would be the nominee right now as he beat all the other Republican candidates combined in fundraising in the 4th quarter. He also had more contributions from active military and veterans than all the Democrat and Republican candidates combined.
And Pariah, we're still seeing pretty good turnout for Paul in the state conventions. He still doesn't have a chance, but the Republicans hate McCain so much that they aren't contributing money or showing up in many cases. We're getting much higher delegate numbers then the earlier straw polls would suggest. And here in Colorado, we have a few tricks up our sleeves for the state convention May 31st. Hopefully we can parlay that into a speaking spot at the national convention, but the GOP knows it's screwed. Paul supporters aside, the party filled with a bunch of old geezers and they know they're doomed unless they get fresh blood. They'll either have to embrace the Paul-types or wither and die as a party. Either way is fine by me, I suppose, but I suspect we'll trend democrat for years to come if they don't wise up.
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Ouch. Pwned.
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the worst we've had. The father the modern socialist state damaged our country in ways that may never be fixed.
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This film will fail much more utterly than G. W. Bush did even at his worst. It will fail even worse than the slate of ideologically-related Iraq war movies. Also, crazy people on internet forums are very much removed from the bulk of mainstream American opinion.
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You mean the guy who was under investigation by the FBI and Senate Intelligence Committee regarding the falsification of evidence? The one who likely resigned over his connections to the Franklin spy scandal? Yeah, thanks. I'll pass on that traitor's book.
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how's that kool aid taste, harry?
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It will not be a "failure," it will be "daring." Because, apparently in Hollywood-speak, "daring" means a film that is designed to lose money. Therefore, everyone who signed onto it are "daring," because they are pissing away tens of millions of dollars and willing to have this piece of shit stain their resume.
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Your kind is so pathetic, that I alomost feel sorry for you. Knee-jerk reactionary - and pretty stupid too. If you are going to trumpet some neocon hero - like Douglkas Feith, it really should be one who is not hip-deep in shit. And just who is Douglas Feith? Read on.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1146.html
"Douglas Feith is a former Pentagon official closely associated with the neoconservative political faction who has been investigated for allegedly distorting prewar intelligence on Iraq. Feith served as the deputy undersecretary of defense for policy, the number three position at the Pentagon, from July 2001 to August 2005. In May 2006, Georgetown University hired him to teach a course on the Bush administration's strategy in the war on terror.
Feith's resignation from the Department of Defense sparked widespread speculation among observers that he was pressured to leave because of a number of then-ongoing investigations related to the administration's efforts to bolster support for the Iraq War. As Juan Cole, history professor at the University of Michigan and author of the widely read blog Informed Comment (JuanCole.com) wrote in January 2005, when Feith announced his resignation:
"Feith has been questioned by the FBI in relation to the passing by one of his employees of confidential Pentagon documents to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which in turn passed them to the Israeli Embassy. The Senate Intelligence Committee is also investigating Feith. There seems little doubt that he operated in the Pentagon in such a way as to produce false and misleading 'intelligence,' that he created an entirely false impression of Iraqi weapons capabilities and ties to al-Qaida, and that he is among the chief facilitators of the U.S. war in Iraq. Feith is clearly resigning ahead of the possible breaking of major scandals concerning his tenure at the Department of Defense, which is among the more disgraceful cases of the misleading of the American people in American history."
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...really should read a history book or two. I seriously can't understand how someone could say that when we have presidents like Franklin Pierce or James Buchanan or Andrew Johnson or Ulysses S. Grant or Benjamin Harrison or Herbert Hoover or Jimmy Carter or Richard Nixon or whoever else. If you want to make the lofty claim that Bush is "the worst president in U.S. history", go research those presidents first and then see what you think. And even the worst of these often barely compare with the best leaders in many areas of the world. Bush may be bad, I can concede to that, but to say he's the "worst" president frankly shows a stark ignorance of history, and an unwillingness to see the world outside of your 21st century, American bubble. (I don't like to speak so harshly, really, but some people just need to wake up to reality.)
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Congress authorized him to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Congress authorized the Patriot Act. Whether you think any of these things are "violations" or not, Congress has been complicit. That being said, can we also address Medicare and Social Security, both of which are clear violations of federal powers (not to mention incredible drains on taxpayers)? Can we address the McCain-Feingold bill, which is a clear violation of free-speech rights, yet approved by Congress, signed into law by the President and upheld by the courts? Like Bismarckf said, Lincoln did more to violate the Constitution that Bush supposedly has, and let's throw in FDR and LBJ for illegal expansion of federal government powers (yes, illegal. Read about the Tenth Amendment sometime...and read about the perversion of the general welfare clause in the last one hundred years).
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Can I come over and pummel you with a bat, rape your wife and daughters and shove your cat's paws down a garbage disposal? Upon doing so, I want you to not respond with anything but a coca-cola to refresh me from all my hard work, and you have to just let me get on my way. Don't you dare try to defend yourself or even call the police afterwards to come and attack me! Chances are, I won't ever attack you or anybody else ever again.
My favorite part about these blogs is how so many people (mostly the libs, but some repubs too) post arguments that are nothing more than jumbled curse words of insults, and this is supposed to win me over to your side? Very intelligent indeed.
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May 08, 2008 5:31:01 PM CDT
Bush is dumb, but the people who voted for him are dumber.
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Sneak peak at W!
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Got us out of the Depression and through WWII? Easily one of our countries top 5 best Presidents. You're an idiot if you think otherwise. And by idiot I mean right-wing nutjob.
Oh, and btw, it was rampant right-wing ideological policies and laissez-faire capitalism and greed that started the Depression to begin with. Hey! Just like today! Imagine that! You know it is possible to have capitalist entrepreneurship AND a social safety net. FDR proved that. Face it, as Stephen Colbert said, "REALITY has a liberal bias." -
I'd been wondering when that'd turn up again!
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I'm sorry I don't follow with most of the Liberal shreiking on this one. Now, don't get me wrong. I think Bush has been a horrible president, but I don't buy into all the gestapo rhetoric being thrown around.
Personally, I don't think Bush is any more evil or tyrannical than anyone else. I just think he's in over his head. When he got into office he tried to run the country like a business, and business sense and political sense are two completely different things. I mean, look at the people who surrounded himself with--great business men but absolutely lousy politicians. Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest--their blunt force style of politics just doesn't work. The only decent guy Bush had, Powell, was stupid enough to hang around for a second term. -
are fucking each other in the ass while you sit there dumbfounded trying to find an answer but if that is the only retort you two cunts can come up with I suggest you not open those two cum catchers you fucktards try to call mouths and fill it with each others cackers instead. You'll look a lot less like total tools that way shit nuggets.
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no, it was protectionism and big-government that created the great depression. and, all FDR stuff aside, what he enacted and what exists today are not in the same species, they are even in the same kingdom.
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aren't in the same kingdom
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Congress doesn't have the right to pass a law contradicting the constitution, without an amendment. So free speech zones and warrantless searches and torture are unconstitutional regardless of what a bunch of corrupt old farts say. And an authorization of force is not a declaration of war. Obviously Bush knew this or he wouldn't have declared "Mission Accomplished", just before the war powers act could no longer justify his actions. Of course the war didn't really end there, but ambulance chaser logic doesn't get him off the hook with his constitutional violations.
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but being a Marine, I prefer us to be having their corpses...that kool-aid must be good, people
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if he were any of us would be in jail right now. His shit for brains daddy did a fine job raising this douche.
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Harry,
It's quite disappointing that you had to inject your immature political commentary. Because you did, I will choose to post my comments.
I am a 33 year old movie buff who happens to be a republican and a supporter of W. I am educated with an engineering degree and an MBA. I saying this you can lend some credibility to my comments. I find that liberals in the media are angry people that attack and you my friend have fallen into that category. You have taken the easy read, the low road, and the lazy road. It's sad. You should examine your approach and ask yourself if you should polish up your dialogue. My question to you Harry is - Are you better off today than your were 8 years ago? Financially, emotionally, romantically, etc. I would guess that your answer would be yes. Let me know if it's different. If it's yes, then you cannot say that W has made life worse over the last 8 years. See my point. I hope you can get your head around this.
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Or bats in your belfry. Yeah, thought so.
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...were both handed to us by the fed. Or as I like to call it, the fifth plank of the communist manifesto. Centralized banks always lead to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
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dude you're giving away too many clues that you're not getting laid
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May 08, 2008 5:52:58 PM CDT
There is zero defense for a pointless war. Give it up, people.
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YYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!! WOOOOO HOOOOO!!!! WE GOT THAT BASTARD WHO HAS BEEN RUNNING THE TERRORIST GROUP FOR THE LAST ELEVEN MONTHS!!!! HE'S GONE!!!! DANCE IN THE STREETS!!! EVERYBODY CAN MOVE BACK TO NEW ORLEANS NOW!!!! EVERYBODY IS BUYING GAS FOR FIFTY CENTS A GALLON!!!! PALASTINIANS AND ISREALITES ARE SINGING IN HARMONY!!!! TERRI SCHAIVO HAS WOKEN FROM THE DEAD AND WILL BE TEACHING A CLASS IN PROPER SPEECH!!! ALL THE MISSING BILLIONS HAVE BEEN FOUND AT HALLIBURTON, AND THEY ARE RETURNING THEM WITH INTEREST!!!! RUSSIA IS CALLING AND WANTING TO APOLOGIZE FOR THEIR SNOBBERY!!! CHINA AND NORTH KOREA TOO!!!! THE TROOPS ARE COMING HOME!!!! THE TROOPS ARE COMING HOME!!!! THE INJURED ARE GETTING THE HEALTH CARE THEY NEED!!!! BELLIES ARE FULL IN SOMALIA AND THE SUDAN!!!! OUR GLORIOUS PRESIDENT DID IT!!!!! HE CURED ALL!!!!! GODDAMN IT IS A GREAT DAY IN AMERICA!!!!! A HAPPY GLORIOUS DAY!!!! LETS ALL SING TO JESUS!!!!....And thus, you don't have to eat dog food anymore! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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It might behoove you to learn more about your fellow posters on this board, before launching an ill considered missive. I am attempting to be a 'kinder more gentler' Toadkillerdog, hence, the less than inflammatory language in responding to nitwits - such as you. And thank you for your concern with my sex life.
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"Personally, I don't think Bush is any more evil or tyrannical than anyone else. I just think he's in over his head."
Well put. There are all sorts of legitimate problems that you can have with the things Bush has done (I've got a bunch of gripes, myself), but I think there are far more _evil_ politicians in (for example) Congress. And, when somebody uses a phrase like "worst president ever", they are willingly displaying an ignorance that makes it hard to give much weight to their opinions. It's like if somebody watched Cloverfield and declared it the "worst movie in a hundred years." -
I find it amazing that a bloated useless piece of shit liberal can find so much to bitch about. For gods sake, what do you do anyway? Go to movies and review movies. Big fucking deal. Try putting on a uniform and fighting for our country. Then you might have a right to bitch so much. Until then, keep stuffing your face with pizzas and shut the fuck up you shit eating holywood liberal maggot.
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We need you out of the gene pool.
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Isn't there a message board ANYWHERE where liberals can listen to another opinion without crying like a baby...a baby that HASN'T been aborted.
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you puke. Who do you think founded this country? Men that were willing to fight for what they believe in. The liberals sit back and whine while the real men get the job done. Thats fine. Stay at home on your couch and bitch. Just make sure you remember when you go to bed at night .... NO ATTACK ON THE HOMELAND IN SEVEN YEARS. Have a good nights sleep.
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There's an entire train of people lined up to take that dumbfucks place by next week. But yeah, for the next 24 hours great news.
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I've no love for Bush, but the unlucky fuck was dealt a really bad hand. I'm a Dem comfortable enough to tell my peers "Stop the unwarranted Republican bashing." Bad shit happens...and in this case it happened to happen to Bush...my party should be thanking it's lucky stars we lost in 2000...
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May 08, 2008 6:14:18 PM CDT
The "crying" seems to be those who dislike Harry's statements.
by flim springfield
But we're under his "roof" here, so he can say whatever he wants.
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...because I am inclined to mop the floor with your hide. You are a sopping wet cunt evidenced by your post and I want to pulp you. Bring it on, DB.
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May 08, 2008 6:16:59 PM CDT
Better "home on your couch" than murdering innocent people.
by flim springfield
Newsflash: Iraqis are human beings. They do not know you, they wish no harm on you, and yet you're spending a trillion taxpayer dollars to build bombs and explode them in their country. Often in their homes, schools or hospitals.
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are spouting about being liberal if you don't support the war in Iraq. Now THAT is some silly twisted follow me or else shit only cuntys like Bush supporters would use. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on you shit sniffing anal warts.
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over Harry posting his opinion on his own site. Maybe you all need to petition O'Reilly to start a geek site. Suckers.
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Not for me. In the time that Bush was in office, my father started and maintained a very successful business. Our family's standard of living has only improved from Bush Sr., to Clinton, to W. So, you're never going to get me to care about politics, because a president has never affected my life. If that makes me apathetic, I can't say anything but "I don't care" :)
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Which uniform do you wear?
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I completely don't believe that FDR was a terrible president, but it's pretty widely accepted by historians now that it was the mobilization of the country for WWII, not FDR's New Deal, that brought us out of the Depression. I.e., though FDR did a much better job of handling the Depression then Hoover, it wasn't his liberal programs that saved the country, it was the war.
As far as what started the Depression, most likely not laissez-faire capitalism, actually - economic depressions far worse than what we faced were plaguing areas in Europe, and the consequent worldwide economic ripple reached us eventually. Maybe laissez-faire had something to do with it, but even Hoover, the most prominent example of laissez-faire in U.S. history - predicted the depression for reasons other than conservative economic policies.
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I'm in college (paid for myself), about to start my senior year next fall. I'm going to get a degree that's going to make me 50,000 a year starting out - with a job right back in my modest hometown where I want to stay. Life is pretty good, and I'd hate to waste it being pissed off at people that don't seem to matter all that much. WE make the US go - not anyone else.
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Sometimes people can't see past their own narrowmindedness. Pretty much every single person I know, friends and family, who call themselves conservative are completely, %100 against the war. I don't think this is a rare opinion. The people who think being a conservative means you have to support something as disastrous, wrong, and self derstructive as the war have 'drank the kool-aid' in my opinion.
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heh.
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Flim Springfield...I am calling you out. I will show you how violence trumps diplomacy each and every time the two meet. If you ever, EVER, besmirch the deaths of my kin (and others) fighting overseas, you are begging for a feud, bitch. Back up your opinions through action.
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You realized that you just admitted that you don't know more than a few people (if any) in the military, right? And in the same statement, you said that they should be killed in service of this country rather than raise children for some inane reason [regardless of your politics, our soldiers have zero choice in their missions and volunteered their lives to fight ANY fight Washington (representing the US population) deems suitable]? You asshole.
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Did someone claim that criticizing Bush's drug use was equal to criticizing Robert Downey Jr.'s drug use? Did I imagine that? And then go on to say that if you're going to criticize Bush you shouldn't enjoy Iron Man for the same reason?
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That brings up my biggest problem with politics, too. Everyone is so hung up on reducing things to "labels." Have we actually heard things about "policy" in any of these debates? Not much. It's all been reduced down to "the reverend said this, how does it affect you" or "you attacked her, what do you have to say for yourself". It's ALL petty stuff. If you're going to get people to care - DISCUSS the issues THOROUGHLY. Make me care, instead of labeling one candidate, labeling the other, and then telling me "if you're conservative ---> vote here"
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I have to find out who that was...
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May 08, 2008 6:29:43 PM CDT
My statement was towards the pro-war pinheads IN THIS TB.
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I know that the military preys on the poor and undereducated, and most don't want to be there. I think anyone who is FOR the war should be there in their place. I don't care what your excuse is, you can help out somehow.
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And locally, I am inclined to whoop your doughy, pale worthless frame. Too old to serve...but young enough to beat you to a bloody pulp, Flim. Accept the invite to the beatdown I intend to give you. Man enough? I doubt it.
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May 08, 2008 6:30:58 PM CDT
(btw: pacifist as an insult? Hilarious! ...That stupid Gandhi!)
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I don't mind the habit or tradition of voting with the party, I've changed parties over the years, but I'm still what I would consider to be a conservative, more or less, according to the way I was raised to believe that the word meant something. I doubt my grandparents would recognize a lot of the attitudes expressed on these boards by so-called 'conservatives'.
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Preys? Really? All the guys and gals I went to high school with who couldn't afford a college diploma went into the military to get one. And, in the college I'm about to graduate from, all the ROTC guys and gals are using ROTC to get their diploma and then get valuable technical and leadership experience in the military. It's called opportunity, not predation, you idiot. Of course the "poor and undereducated" (as you seem to think of the military) who want higher education but can't afford it, are more likely to take advantage of these opportunities than other people who don't need pay for college. Tool.
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May 08, 2008 6:36:24 PM CDT
Also: Gus Van Rant, I highly doubt Hillary is menstruating.
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In which M Night Shamalammadingsog directs this movie and crazy Stone directs "The Happening" and both wind up being far more interesting films if that were to happen.
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Wet your pants already? The First Amendment exists for twats like you...and I exist to edit your remarks. Man up and accept my challenge.
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Between the Bush role or Doc Block.
Oh...except Doc Block was smart.
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May 08, 2008 6:44:09 PM CDT
Bruce: After school, bike racks. Be there! (since you sound 12)
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George and Laura are sitting in their giant apartment, when suddenly a giant rock smashes though their front window.George: Gadzooks, what the hell was that?Laura: I think Ben from down the street just threw a rock through our window. I saw him running away yelling "Death to the windowpanes!"George: Alright that's it, with God as my witness, I'm gonna find that sumbitch and teach him a lesson!Laura: But George, it's dark, you're never going to find him...why don't we just call someone to fix the window and tomorrow we can try to get in touch with him and find out what-George: SILENCE WOMAN! I'm going out there to get him, and that's all there is to it.
Cut to 8 minutes later. George returns home.
Laura: Oh George, thank god you're home. did you find Ben? George: Nope, didn't find him at all. But I found this guy named Steve that I heard knew Ben, and so I killed him and set his house on fire. Heh heh heh, it's still burning, actually. Laura: Steve? Next door? He doesn't know Ben, he's never even met him!George: Well I heard he did, and I fixed him up good. He's never gonna-Laura: Wait, Steve's house is next to ours, and you lit it on FIRE? You've put us in more danger than when we started, you idiot!George: No rocks through the window in the last 8 minutes though, right?Laura: No, but the house next door is on fire, and Steve's friends are going to-George: Mission Accomplished!The End
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Not defending Film, but Hillary is in her sixties dude. She aint menstruating.
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Good show!
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May 08, 2008 6:47:45 PM CDT
I defer all further questions to Wonka's play. Well done.
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I have so may FF miles to use...and that fucker needs a beatdown.
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I live in the same town with Focus on the Family, the Air Force Academy, Peterson Air Force base, Shriver air force base, Fort Carson army base, Norad and a bunch of other bases. Pretty much every conservative I know is against this war. And what's more, I'd say a good half of all the active duty soldiers I've spoken to in the last couple of years have brought up the term "revolution" as if it's right around the corner. I don't believe that for a second, but there is a reason why the only true anti-war candidate had more backing from the military than all the other candidates combined, according to FEC records. Our soldiers are proud to fight, but not in a pointless war promoted by a bunch of chicken hawks. Most soldiers are constitutionalists, not worshipers at the presidential alter. If you support the war, go fucking fight it.
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...the Republican prowlers, who troll the internet and post on Harry's site and other places trying to convince us all that most Americans really like Bush and the rest of us are a bunch of whiney baby liberals. At this point, it is really sad, cause they just come across like pathetic idiots now. Stop already you smug jerks.... no-one buys into this any more.
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There should be an earlier scene where George receives a memo from Ben earlier that day that says "I'm going to throw a rock through your window tonight." But George, being retarded, merely rolls the paper up, snorts a line of coke with it, prays to Jeebus, and throws it in the trash.
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You made me laugh dude!
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Harry sez: "And defenders of this jackal astound me. What exactly has he done that you're proud of? What singular accomplishment can you herald?" Well, now, let me see. I can name one thing Bush HASN'T done that I admire him for. He hasn't turned into a several-hundred-pound human version of Jabba the Hutt who spends all his free time on the Internet praising ultra-lame movies to the skies, while frantically trying to conceal the director jizz dribbling down his chin--because if people ever once saw that, they would realize that this site has become crappy Hollywood's crappier pimp, and spends not nearly enough time promoting quality ANYTHING. Yeah, I'm pretty proud of Bush for not being that. That is all.
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Wow...you must be as fat and stupid as he to invoke Vilanch in a post, Gus van Rant. Calorie reduction I recommend for you my fiendishly fat friend.
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If you support the war, why don't you enlist? If anyone is a "sopping wet pussy" its the chicken hawk pussies who watch FOX News all day and are afraid to fight the war they support so vigorously. Age isn't a really a factor unless your like 60 years old, so that argument is moot. They'll pretty much take anybody at this point. So why not step up to the plate and enlist? Scared? Not scared enough to threaten anonymous people on the internet, though, right?
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I've from a heavily militarized area, and I only know of three soldiers against the war. The consensus is: if we pull out of this "expensive" (which, Iraq, has all together has the same cost that US spends on SS annually) and costly (only around 4000 troops lost over half decade out of the hundreds of thousands cycled through there), our next engagement would be a total hell. Because, the lesson will be: if the enemy makes the war long and bloody enough, maximizing troop casualties, and add on the most civilian casualties for extra points... the USA will give up as long as the resistance holds out for a decade. This is a very cheap war with ridiculously hyped coverage to justify a plan that would ensure the next engagement lasts 20 years of troops lives just to prove that we won't "give up" when the media and politicians bitch enough... we're there, now, stop talking about retreating/defeat and start debating how to win/ensure a stable country. Don't pretend you're doing the military a service by pulling them out, you're just making the next occupation that much harder.
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Keep up the bolstering of your ego, Rant...and keep up the unrelenting masturbation to assuade the fact you have never had a woman. But my beef is not with you, Gus. I am of a mind to pulp Flim. Where is that cowardly cunt hiding?
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Since we can't impeach him (Congress is too cowardly) we'll have to settle for Stone's film, assuming the film will be very critical of Bush as it should be.
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... you are beneath responding too. Bust of luck in your endeavours, ya twat.
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Harry - you are a stupid, ignorant, fuck. Seriously...at least show some respect you anti-American son of a bitch. That's right - anti-American.
Asshole.
I may never have liked any Clinton's, but I at least had the common decency to respect the man made the office.
Seriously...you are a stupid, anti-American, unpatriotic, son of a bitch. Only stupid, fucking, idiots like you, who honestly show their true ignorance on anything but entertainment (which is usually questionable at best anyway), have the gall to say something like this. Totally unrespectful. Seriously...I hope our Founding Fatherskick your stupid, ignorant, anti-American ass, then spit on what's left of you when you get to where ever you are going after you die.
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BGAWWWWWK! CHICKEN HAWK!
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don't pretend there won't be another occupation... we still have "peace-keeping" troops in the former Yugoslavia... why American, and not European, troops enforced peace and continue to is proof enough there will be other occupation, whether or not it's in our interest.
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...for every other one of you stupid ass, anti-American, cluster fucks you have no respect. Seriously...there is a special place in hell for all of you unpatriotic, anti-American son's of very ugly bitches.
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No one cares about your opinion. Move along, move along.
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is overwhelming. But the honest to God truth is that one day...you'll all get what you deserve. When liberals rule, they lead us into a depression (as opposed to the recession), gas prices are raping your children's asses...you'll all see. The liberal punishment has yet to even come.
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That's a seriously real offense, Vain. No joke.
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What is it like, 80% of the country who hates him now? Seems like its the wackjob neocon Bushies who are the real anti-Americans. You want a theocratic dictatorship? Go find an island and build one.
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I only have about a dozen friends in the military, so that's hardly a statistical sampling. And I tend to know them from circles which lean heavily in favor of small government, so it's probably a biased sampling. But Ron Paul (at least before Super Tuesday) was drawing twice the support of any other GOP candidate and his solution was to order an immediate pullback. Maybe they were drawn more to his other positions though, who knows.
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It may have actually prolonged it by raising tax rates to pay for the war (as well as continuing to fund the socialist, anti-free market programs started under FDR). What ended the Depression was a reduction in federal spending in the early 1940s, by the tune of about 50 billion dollars. Funny how that works out...when taxpayers are allowed to KEEP their money instead of feeding the monetary sinkhole of federal bureacracy, the economic situation brigtens considerably.
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That still isn't reason enough to stay. The occupation is happening for no reason that anyone can figure out, the official line is officially bullshit, this isn't even really controversial anymore, so even though the so-called 'enemy' might be emboldened by our leaving, couldn't you reasonably make the argument that they've already been 'emboldened', radicalized, militarized by our going over there in the first place? I don't claim to understand the mentality of the people fighting over there, but when the Russians were in Afghanistan the extremists were carrying out terrorist attacks in Russia, for the express purpose of convincing the 'infidels' to get the fuck out of their country. When the Russians left, the terrorist attacks stopped.
I honestly don't believe that either side (assuming you can reduce something so convoluted to two sides) really knows what the shit is going on anymore, American soldiers don't know why they're over there, I'm sure a lot of the so-called 'insurgents' don't really know what they want to accomplish, other than for us to leave them alone, so I don't really know if this is a 'war' in the traditional sense that can be defined by victory or loss. What, exactly, would a victory look like? We're well past expecting rose petals and dancing in the streets. As far as anyone can tell, the entire region is in total chaos, and after years, nothing seems to be getting any better. Are we winning? If we left would we 'lose'? Would we even know if one or the other happened? Could we tell the difference? -
May 08, 2008 7:14:17 PM CDT
So laser, buff as you claim to be, care for a tumble as well?
by bruce vain
I will emasculate you. Think you can handle having your ass handed to you by someone too old to join the Marines? A fatuous cunt is all you are, Rant. And Flim seems to be hiding from this convo ... how utterly appropriatte.
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...until he sided with that fat drunken murderer known as Teddy Kennedy in trying to legalize millions of wetbacks who, with the assistance of radical degenerate blacks, are destroying our nation, our culture, and human civilization as a whole. The world is doomed demographically to a future of collectivism, stupidity, laziness, and immorality. Read Pat Buchanan's latest column.
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Don't worry, you can always start a blog and start blaming Obama for all the shit that Bush did. Thats what all the rest of the neocon pundits are gearing up for. Get on the propaganda bandwagon first!
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Hmmm...guess I did. But the threat of a beat down is predicated on his agreement. Am I in the wrong for offering up the challenge? I am truly unsure.
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You sound like a super-villain mad scientist.
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Dude, do you want to go to jail? You realize your making terroristic threats, right? Funny too, coming from a pussy chickenhawk hiding behind a keyboard. Too old to join the Marines, really? THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE? Trolling for young boys to have sex with? Or beat up and have sex with? Typical right-wing nut job; underneath it all you're just another homosexual pedophile. And a pussy chicken hawk to boot!
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yeah, most all my buddies and other military people I know have lost faith in the Republicans and seem to be more or less Libertarian and are seriously pissed at the current state of the Republican Party. But, I got a lot of friends dads in the various intelligence positions (they were drunk and, I suspect, giving away more than they meant), and them and the sarg's I know seem to be in complete agreement that pulling out is ensuring a bigger clusterfuck next time.
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The way our world ends
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Posted: May 02, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
© 2008
"This is the way the world ends/Not with a bang but a whimper," wrote T.S. Eliot in the closing couplet of "The Hollow Men."
Eliot's poem was written after the Great War of 1914-1918 had carried off 9 million soldiers, wounded twice as many more, brought down the Romanov, Hohenzollern and Habsburg empires, and ushered onto the world stage Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini and, soon, Adolf Hitler.
Readers have ascribed various meanings to Eliot's words. One college professor of English suggested Eliot was looking back to the "whimper" in the cradle in Bethlehem that signaled the end of the old world, the Pax Romana, and the coming of the new Christian age.
Some saw it as the whimper of a man facing the executioner's ax. Others say Eliot was referring to the middle-aged protagonist of "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock," who had "measured out my life with coffee spoons" and soon would "wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled."
Recent reports suggest God has another end in store for us.
An Augusta, Ga., group, The National Policy Institute, has meshed the figures on fertility rates with the continents and races on Planet Earth – to visualize what the world will look like in 2060.
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In 1950, whites were 28 percent of world population and Africans 9 percent, a ratio of three-to-one. In 2060, the ratio will remain the same. But the colors will be reversed. People of African ancestry will be 25 percent of the world's population. People of European descent will have fallen to 9.8 percent.
More arresting is that the white population is shrinking not only in relative but in real terms. Two hundred million white people, one in every six on earth – a number equal to the entire population of France, Britain, Holland and Germany – will vanish by 2060.
The Caucasian race is going the way of the Mohicans.
Arabic peoples, 94 million at the birth of Israel in 1948, outnumbered seven to one by Europeans, will rise to 743 million in 2060, a tenfold increase, and will be 75 percent of the white population.
Fleshing out the NPI picture is the U.N. population survey of mid-2007 that points to the 21st century disappearance of Western Man.
By 2050, a fourth of all the people of Eastern Europe will have vanished. Ukraine will lose one-third of its population. Russia, 150 million at the breakup of the Soviet Union, 142 million today, will be down to 108 million. Such losses dwarf what Hitler and Stalin together did to these countries.
CIA Director Michael Hayden said this week that Russia will have to import workers from the Caucasus, Central Asia and China, exacerbating already serious racial and religious tensions in a nation with thousands of nuclear weapons.
With Russians east of the Urals outnumbered 100 to one by the Chinese, there is little doubt who will control the oil, gas, gold and timber of Siberia and be staring hungrily across the Bering Strait at Alaska.
By 2050, Iran's population will have risen from today's 71 million to 100 million. Pakistan will add 84 million to reach almost 300 million, the U.S. population today. Afghanistan's population will triple from 27 million to 79 million. Iraq's will go from 29 million to 62 million. The destinies of these nations will be beyond the capacity of an aging, dwindling, dying West to dictate.
The U.N. statistics, however, show the populations of Northern, Western and Southern Europe stabilizing or falling only slightly.
How can this be when only Iceland and Albania have fertility rates – 2.1 children per woman – that can stop population declines, and all the rest have birthrates that would put bears, birds and wolves on the endangered species list?
Answer: Western Europe's populations are being sustained by immigrants from the Maghreb and Middle East, Asia and Africa – and the baby boom among these black and brown peoples is lifting and changing the face of the Old Continent forever. Islam is returning to Iberia, Italy and the Balkans. The Third World is coming to colonize the mother countries.
And America? According to the Pew Research Center, the Hispanic population of the United States will triple to 127 million by 2050, as Mexico's population grows to 130 million. An erasure of the U.S. border, or merger of the two countries, or the linguistic, cultural and social annexation of the American Southwest by Mexico appears fated.
Yet, last October, in another Pew poll of 45,000 people in 47 countries, a majority in 46 expressed fear of a loss of their traditional culture.
Sixty-two percent of Americans told Pew we should do more to protect our way of life. Three-fourths of Americans wanted more restrictions on immigration. Yet all three presidential candidates voted amnesty for the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens.
Hopefully, the peoples of Asia, Africa and the Middle East, who are about to inherit the earth as we pass away, will treat us better than our ancestors treated them in the five centuries that Western Man ruled the world.
Otherwise, we all go out with a bang.
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You have made sense in the past - especially with your knowledge of economics, but this time, I am afraid you are dead wrong.
Consider, what if somehow the entire country was FOR the Iraq war? Would that mean that the insurgents would just say ' oh darn we should just lay down our arms and quit?' Hell no. Do you really think that the insurgents, organized or not, huddle around the campfire at night debating U.S. policy? The same false argument was made for Viet Nam - and the only thing it accomplished was to drive the American death toll up. And speaking of the death toll, I defy you to speak to any family that has lost a son or daughter and say 'only around 4000 troops lost in half a decade'. I will not fillet you for that comment though, because I do not think you meant it to come out as cold as it sounded, but believe me, as a former and still very proud member of the military, there are no small number of deaths -especially in a war that should not have been fought.
No soldier or marine wants to be in Iraq fighting - no rational one that is. None that I know talk about staying there because 'it makes the next conflict easier.' At least none not reading from a script prepared for them by the DOD/ Every serviceman I know only wants to do their job and get home safely. There are no flags being waved during a firefight, and no discussion of policy when a bullet is flying past your head, and damn sure no desire to stick around because it will make the next war easier. THIS was supposed to be the easy war. -
We don't often get the totally insane around here. Everyone! Look! A real live FUCKING LUNATIC! Man, this guys crazier than USS Cygnus and cchhrriissm put together!
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An illiterate homosexual pedophile chicken hawk pussy! All the neocon traits rolled up into one!
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A challenge is not a threat...accept said challenge and prove you are not a vapid mouthpiece. And for fuck's sake, read up on legalize you worthless wankers.
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has concluded that most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-twentieth century - roughly 1.5 degrees F (a vast amount of heat is required to accomplish this, think about the arithmetic) is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (man-made) greenhouse gas concentrations. The Academies of science in 30 countries agree.
There is no point in assuming that tens of thousands of hours of evidence gathering and analysis is some kind of left wing conspiracy to impoverish oil barons or to inconvenience motorists.
DirkBelig (if he is not simply ranting for effect) makes two fundamental errors:
1.The earth cools and heats in a complex pattern, the Milankovic cycle, over roughly 41,000 years - this is caused by the interaction of three variable patterns, earth orbit fluctuations, axis tilt and a "wobble" in the axis. The pattern of temperature changes has been evidenced in ice core samples and other indicators over hundreds of thousands of years.
But the current heating is entirely outside this regular pattern. It is a major anomaly.
2. Recent cold winters do not disprove the average temperature rise because they are accompanied by higher summer temperatures.
As a matter of simple arithmetic based on conservative estimates you, yourself, can calculate the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere caused by burning fossil fuels. The figures are available to you, try the math it's inexorable.
Check out the facts - there's a vast amount of new information now available on the net and in the science press. Bear in mind, whatever your politics, that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists agree that there is significant and accelerating warming and that it is caused by humans.
It's probably the most important problem facing humanity - although it will affect us, far less than our children and grandchildren who may have to fight wars over Water.
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You guys are two examples of differing opinions that can be stated sanely and with respect. hats off to both of you.
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re your "If you support the war, why don't you enlist?" argument -- are you likewise a fan of the "America, love it or leave it" argument?
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"Victory" is allowing enough of an mobster/aristocracy to establish itself to the point where "extremist" attacks are directed against the local, Iraqi government once again. Osama changed the game. In previous decades, the Islamists fought the local dictators, but after Afghanistan (and, more importantly, the Mog), Osama managed to convince enough people that the Islamists could defeat the US in the same way they defeated the Soviets... by taking the fight to 'em. We need to get the "terrorists" fighting local governments again, by empowering them. "Terrorism" is decades old, just terrorism directed against the West is relatively new.
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Wow Harry, I have totally lost respect for you. I used to come here about movie info, rumors, consumer reviews, etc... But now you have to use this site as a sounding board for politics. And that first paragraph was one of the dumbest things I have ever read. Seriously, re-read what you posted, the stuff that you imply, is as stupid as the actual accusations, regardless if it is true or not. I would say stick to what you do best but that would be being an idiot.
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First, I have to ask -- Who, had, the, sale, on, commas?
Second -- way to devastate your opponents. By simply piling one insult on top of another, without making any attempt to support your position, it only italicizes the fact that you don't have one. As far as I can tell, the best you've got here is "if you disagree with me you're a stupid, ignorant, anti-American, unpatriotic, unrespectful [sic], son of a bitch asshole fuck male ass fucker".
Uh... well done?
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Having fun with your hockey stick graph? Nut.
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The basic arguments are set out in the discussion page attached to Wikipedia's "Global Warming" entry. All points of view are strongly represented - well worth checking out, whatever your politics.
The overwhelming consensus of climate scientists (as opposed to political scientists, spin doctors and politicians) in the last 5 years is that global warming is happening and is caused by human activity. The academies of science in 30 countries endorse the view of the Intergovernmental Comittee on Climate Change - a non-political, scientifically conservative body. -
Good catch, LaserPants.
That having been said, you are still a sopping wet pussy. Let's settle this dispute as men used to...with a gun or a knife.
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my previous post explains my position, we need to exert enough influence against terrorism and empower the local gov's enough to where the extremists focus their attacks against them once again. This shit has been going on forever, the whole, "Great Satan" crap is relatively new.
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is based in large part on the hockey stick graph, which has already been shown to be statistically suspect by Stephen McIntyre. Yet the global warming/climate change people insist on its accuracy. They're wrong. So are you, irritable.
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about George W. Bush by Harry... Vagina.
OK Harry, let's all go off of emotions and post a dumb ass picture of a comedic Josh B. and utter our disgust of our current President—it only goes to show you are a woman and all -acting on emotion wich the media and elitist Hollywood PREY upon to get their Agenda across—yes you are a part of a smear campaign. I do not excuse the President but you are an idiot not taking into account the good things he has done. Go buy some Maxi-Pads already!
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That lame line about "hockey stick graphs' might have cut it 5 years ago.
The majority of climate scientists are not nuts. I'm repeating their views.
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I agree that Osama changed the rules, but if what we're seeing is a new generation of Islamic extremists fighting the west the way they fought the Soviets, I'm afraid they might win. And by 'win', I just mean live in a state of perpetual stalemate with an American and possibly allied (though I doubt it) occupation to maintain some semblance of sovereignty, or whatever they call it. If this is the case, and we will be there for decades, I don't know how that outcome can be understood as anything other than failure for us.
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...in addition to being a coward, is also a homophobe. Care to respond, Laser?
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I second your opinion about Toadkiller and Stevie Grant.
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I didn't say the majority of climate scientists were nuts. They are, however, relying on bad evidence that was deliberately falsified. I said YOU were a nut, on the other hand, and I'm standing by that opinion. And yes, I will always find views that are supposedly based on statistical evidence, but in fact aren't, to be unpalatable. I'm funny that way. I like a little truth in my science.
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Where do you live? I'm in NYC. Wanna meet at Central Park?
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He was born in New Haven, Connecticut - he only claims Texas. He can march his ass back to New Haven when he's thru
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You two need to get a room ...
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well, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan failed because of American led resistance (shitloads of funds courtesy of multiple nations; and high tech weapons, courtesy of Reagan). But none of the assholes fighting the Americans in Afghanistan know that now. Iraq is another story. Bin Laden has convinced enough people that the US is a "paper tiger" and if they inflict enough casualties within our borders, our influence will magically disappear from the Middle East. There has always been what we call "terrorism" in the Middle East, but historically it's been against the local rulers. Our goal should be the restore that norm.
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No, your subsequent post does not explain away the need for staying in Iraq, nor does it adress the 'expense' of doing so. I have seen you mention the Soc Security angle before, but a war that currently cost's 7.1 billion dollars a month - since 2003, is not trvial, even compared to the gargantuan Soc Security cost.
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He challenges the analysis of Michael Mann, a more qualified climate scientist. That's what scientists are supposed to do. However, McIntyre has not managed to pursuade the overwhelming majority of climate scientist with his challenge. The consensus is against him. In particular, the 2007 report of the Intergovernmental Comittee on Climate Change, based on up to date material, appears to demonstrate that McIntyre's analysis ought not be accepted.
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he's been upfront about his Liberal beliefs and his disdain for Bush since the man took office. not to mention, it's his site, and it's not CNN, why on earth shouldn't he be able to speak his opinion?. disagree if you want, but this phony disgust, as though you were caught off guard by this stuff...that's pretty transparent.
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It's one of those "looks good on paper" scenarios...
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May 08, 2008 7:45:59 PM CDT
BringingSexyBack...I didn't think I had a beef with you...
by bruce vain
...but I'm inclined to accept any challenge. Central Park it is. When? I'm not even sure why I will be beating you into a bloody pulp...I reckoned that privilege was reserved for Rant, Pants, etc. ... Send me the details of when you want to be embarrassed so thoroughly.
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Thanks for saying what I couldn't be bothered to say, but what very badly needed to be said. cheers.
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I conducted a study of dittohead talkbackers and the conclusion I arrived at was they are all fucking idiots.
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All of you who are taking what he said as serious are way off base. He is a Lib pretending to be a Pro War Repub by posting the common annoying rhetoric that Pro war peeps say all the time. He is just trying to make the ProWars look bad. If you fell for this, I am sorry for you.
I am a Pro Iraq Invasion Rebublican, and I say this because I do not like war. I wish we never have to go to war. Unfortunately, war has defined our world since man walked his first bare foot on its soil. The reason for war is to bring peace. Yes, I know it's ironic, but it's the truth nonetheless. Legitimate wars are always started in order to end the reign of a true "war mongerer" dictator and to bring the peace that said dictator disturbs.
So same thing exists with this war. We had a series of small attacks before 9/11, but this attack was so severe and direct to us that our peaceful existence was raped. So, the only answer to protect us from future attacks was war. I still support the invasion of Iraq, because we established a foothold in the middle of the hive, and we have brought the war to them and away from our homeland. Contrary to propagandist opinion, we are NOT over there killing innocent Iraqis; we are, however, killing Al Queda insurgents who threaten the peaceful existence of the innocent Iraqis.
So to sum up, I am anti war, but completely support it when it is necessary to eliminate evil and bring peace. You don't stop a serial killer by ignoring him and letting him just live his life, all the while hoping he won't strike again. You start a fight to find, capture and put him away from innocent people forever. -
Can someone please record Bringingsexyback and Vain fighting in Central Park and post it on Youtube? And can someone please inform Darth Macchio? He needs to hear about this!
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May 08, 2008 7:49:16 PM CDT
Stone's Movies are about as Meaningless as Moore's
by alice cooper stalker
Nobody cares about Stone's twisted reinventing of history any more than the care about Moore's twisted fairy tales that he passes off as documentaries. They are useless and irrellevant.
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Check out the ICCC 2007 report. It's freely available. If you can point to any deliberately falsified evidence which is used to reach the conclusions, you're in line for a Nobel Prize. That's what people get when, like Einstein, they prove that there is a fundamental flaw in a commonly held scientific theory.
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First off, it's the Intergovernmental PANEL on Climate Change, or the IPCC. This error on such a minor detail does not give me confidence that you know what you're talking about on the larger ones, especially as you go on to cite a report by a group you misnamed. Second, one does not need to be a climate scientist to refute Mann's work--one only needs to know statistical analysis, which is what his climate conclusions are based off of. I assume that McIntyre has the statistical skills necessary to do that. I've read McIntyre. I've read the 2007 IPCC report, which uses variants on the hockey-stick graph as part of its package. I am unable to find any evidence that the climate scientists of the IPCC were able to refute McIntyre's statistical analysis. Therefore, I believe McIntyre. The pity of it is than in fifty years, when it's common knowledge that my side is right, I won't be able to contact you and give you the mocking you so richly deserve.
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But you're pretty off base, and more than a little naive.
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I'll be at the entrance to the Central Park Zoo at 1:45PM wearing my Fuck You You Fuckin' Fuck t-shirt. You don't have to tell me what you're wearing, I'm sure you're gonna be the stupid looking tard.
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Again, it is the IPCC. Unfortunately, McIntyre has already pointed to the "falsified evidence," so I won't be dusting off my tuxedo after all...but hopefully he will.
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please elaborate. You make a direct statement, but you don't explain HOW I am off base or naive. I will contend that YOU are naive if you believe evil in the world is defeated with roses and wine.
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We are already in a stalemate situation, and will remain so as long as we remain in Iraq. Why should the Iraqi insurgents stop fighting? The surge has come and gone, and they have survived. We are still there, we are still a target. Stevie Grant is partially right about Afghanistan - where Bin Laden got his training fighting with the Mooj - the Mujahdeen that is. We gleefully supplied weapons and assistance and the Mooj fouhgt the Soviets to a stalemate. But Iraq has no such superpower benefactor, and yet we are still there, and they are still fighting us. They will continue to fight.
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no, I said why I think we shouldn't leave Iraq, and when I think we should leave. And, yeah, the portion of the Congressional Budget devoted to the Iraq War is trivial compared to social spending (even given the amount financed via deficit).
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I hope you're right. I really do. Because if you're wrong, we will likely have more and greater trouble as a country than we've ever had before, possibly for decades to come. I hope that George W. Bush has not done terrible damage to our economy, our environment, our judicial system, our constitution, and our reputation and standing in the world. Time will tell, of course. If my suspicions (as a liberal) are right, at best the US has a lot of work to do, post-Bush, to clean up what has been left in his wake. At worst, it'll hardly matter, since things will be descending into chaos before long, anyway. So basically, I'm saying that I TRULY, DEARLY hope that the conservatives are right, and that Bush has been a great president who will make life easier and more peaceful for current and future Americans. I cannot see how this can possibly be, but perhaps I have managed to misinterpret what I've seen for the last seven years. In twenty years, when Bush's legacy as a president is more clearly visible, history will judge him and his administration, either positively or negatively. My suspicions tell me that the latter will be the case; I pray that it is the former.
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However, a mere triumvirate composed of Rant, Pants and that other guy would incline me to laugh more than grunt through exertion. Bring it on...any of you worthless bitches.
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I live too far away. Someone, please, a New Yorker, or someone nearby, we need to see this.
Darth Macchio has been calling for a left vs. right Battle Royale of nerdy talkbackers. Maybe we should get AICN to foot the bill for some flights/accommodations for those willing to take part in what is sure to be a HILARIOUS display of nerd-on-nerd action.
Rumble in the Central Park!
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I was talking about Mogadishu, Somalia when I said "Mog"
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Im a very active Republican, though I support the war as it is now (took 3.5 years to fight to win), I detest what W has done to the party. That said, to call him, "worst president ever" is just an ignorant statement on ones education of American history. Bottom 10 maybe, though numbers change as time goes by. But to say he is worse then the line of presidents before Lincoln that allowed people to remain enslaved or reenslaved aor just allowing Rebellion to take over nearly half the land mass of the country then you are a fool.
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the "conservatives" haven't been in control of the Republicans for a while. They pander to the Creationist or homophobe base occasionally, but they don't practice limited government, limited foreign intervention, or fiscal responsibility. Bush's poll numbers are low because the conservatives and libertarians are pissed.
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May 08, 2008 8:02:07 PM CDT
Shit...too soon for me to arrange a flight BringingSexyBack
by bruce vain
Are you in your 30s by any chance? Do you harbor a deep resentment against us on the left coast because you were beat up by a West-Coaster as a child? Did you cry after getting socked in the face by a kid who stood up to 30 New Yorkers as he defended the honor of the Lakers? I doubt that was you...that kid had cojones...you obviously don't.
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But I just can't be bothered. Read some of the exchanges I've had right here on this talkback. For a more nuanced perspective, read Stevie Grant, Toadkillerdog, Maltheus, etc if you like.
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You coward.
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We conservatives don't necessarily say Bush is a great president. I personally disagree with a few things he has done, most recently the Bear Stearns move. I think he is not a fiscally conservative president, and he has shifted away from the Republican part standards of less spending. War funding aside, he and this congress has done nothing but mismanage the country's money.
With that said, I do support the Iraq Invasion, and I admire him standing his ground against unpopular public opinion. Unlike Hillary, whose positions change with the next polling, Bush has been steadfast on his beliefs and he stuck to them. I respect that trait in anyone, even if I disagree with them. I am not happy that McCain is the Republican nominee, but I have the utmost respect for his honesty, service to our country, and his strong opinions that he does not stray from.
The ultimate sign of hypocrisy in this upcoming election is how Libs say all the time we must stop partisan politics, and here we have a nominee who is anything but partisan! He and Leiberman are the two most known for ignoring their parties' standards and working across the isle to get things done. So why are Libs so hypocritical? Why not vote for the man who stands for non-partisanship that they proclaim to promote? The answer is that the LIbs are no less partisan than the Repubs. You will vote party lines regardless of who is running. -
Something about making a "historical" film during that history makes it seem like a send-up rather than a documentation of the period.
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Bring it. Elisian Park. Next week. Say...noon. I will break you and your cadre in half.
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Another voice of reason. This talkback might actually be civilized after all...
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thank you sir...and how you doing by the way?
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... are afraid of a fight. Why am I not surprised?!?!
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duly noted
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Prove me wrong, wanker.
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I think part of what Samsquanch was alluding to, with regard to your naivete, was the reason why you supported the Iraq invasion and subsequent war,
Very briefly, Iraq had zero to do with the events of 9/11. Zero.
Even the Bush administration backed off claims that Iraq had a hand in 9/11.
The reason they did use, was WMD -and that was a very flawed argument even if weapons had been found because a far more persuasive argument for attacking North Korea - which has been proven to be exporting nuclear technology -see Syrian nuclear reactor(Tech from N.Korea) that was bombed by the Israelis.
We knew N.Korea was exporting such nuclear technology to hostile gov't, but Iraq was chosen as the invasion target, not for WMD, but to further a geopolitical strategy.
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I consider Xiphos a voice of reason because he's a soldier, and he's served his country. That, and he usually knows what the hell he's talking about and has enough brains to make a metaphor make sense.
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sorry, but harding himself was not corrupt, its just that he turned his back on all the corruption around him...harding was only in office one term, didnt get the us in a never ending war, and didnt leave the economy in ruins...wasnt there long enuf...i think it is you who needs to bone up a bit more on history
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Welcome to the party.
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you heard me...lined up and shot...because not one of you fucks really cares about the country...bush is a war criminal and needs to face the man
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Great to see you here. I wanted to wish you the best before you redeploy.
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Congrats man. When you're filthy rich with your new technology, please cut me in. For I'm the one who spurred you on; you had develop the new tech to get revenge on me and defend your pussy-ass leftwing honor! Jesus, does anyone have a solution that doesn't involve science fiction?
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I'm simply reporting what thousands of non-political climate scientists have investigated and concluded.
Please feel free to identify any factual errors or falsifications in the 2007 ICCC report.
Any suggestions as to why ICCC scientists would lie to the world are welcome.
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Ah, the perfect 9/10/2001 mentality on display. How about that "tolerance"! Yeah!
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Doesn't mean your idiotic leftist ideologies/opinions are unassailable. Trooping through some sand for a couple years doesn't innoculate you from counter-argument, especially when your point of view is essentially watered down communism.
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What a county when a Leftist boob like Harry can start a website and make megabucks...yet still be completely clueless as to how the world works. Even better, the same site can attract every conspiracy nut, pinko fruitcake who hates the Right. Even BETTER, they can all con themselves into believing the "everyone hates W". EVEN BETTER, then they can blame every possible ill of society on the Prez. Sad really. W is a good, decent yet deeply flawed man whose biggest mistake was trying to play nice with you on the Left. Instead of telling you to stick it and using the bully pulpit to advance a conservative agenda.
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Whether or not Iraq was directly involved with 9/11 is irrelevant. This may sound cruel, but Iraq served multiple purposes, one of which is a military stronghold in the middle of the fight. There are many reasons for the invasion, and yes WMD's was one of them. Nobody, or at least noone I remember hearing, disputed that they did have WMD's. Everyone was arguing that we needed more time to inspect. But remember, the inspectors were toyed around with time after time, and there were, if my memory serves me right, 16 resolutions that Saddam ignored.
Contrast that with N. Korea. This is just a diversionary ploy by the Dems to say Bush is invading the wrong country. Now, aren't these the same Dems who kept saying we needed to let diplomacy play out in Iraq? Well, why not try diplomacy on N Korea? That's hypocrisy at it's finest. The fact is, Iraq was years of failed diplomacy, while N Korea was a new development. So, we are supposed to keep trying diplomacy with Saddam who kept snubbing his nose at it, but we were supposed to just rashly invade N Korea without ever trying diplomacy? How is that consistent? -
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Ha ha ... all you cunts are all talk ... just as I reckoned.
by bruce vain
Pathetic, cowardly twats...incapable of raising a fist to defend their honor. RIP, bitches.
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doing well. back in Seattle, sold quite a bit of writing, though not always for quite a bit of Moolah though. got 3 meetings in LA in the next couple months on one script, so with a little luck...last itme I heard, you were still in your convalescence, is that all done with?
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Stay strong, folks! Do not yield 1 inch to these Leftists! They are on th wrong side! Stay on point and beat them in the debate.
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Bush is easily the biggest fuck-up in the history of the presidency...well, maybe Buchanan was worse. George Bush has cut taxes during a time of war: that has never been done in the history of mankind until now. And why are taxes being cut? To provide for the richest people in the nation. Now, I know a lot of Bush supporters take the Libertarian view as far as distributive justice goes...well, then don't use any public services, you fucking bozos. Get the fuck out of the country if you don't want to pay taxes. Another about this boob is his hatred of science. At every turn he has denied the consensus conclusion that global warming/climate change/whatever is man made. There is no recognized scientific body that doens't label global warming et al as man made, only a few (usually oil industry-backed hired guns) scientists dispute this. But I guess that's enough for Bushies. Guess what? The majority of biologists think that men can't LITERALLY be giant pussies, but I've taken college level biology classes and I think that all you Bushies are giant pussies. Same thing, asshats. Someone tell me why we're in Iraq. Someone tell me why they bail out Bear Stearns yet they can't bail out poor home owners. Someone tell me why stem-cell researched isn't being pursued. Why has gas more than tripled in eight years? Is that normal? Why does Bush say that he supports the troops yet Ft. Bragg and Walter Reed are hell-holes? And what about body armor and armored vehicles? Why did Bush chort change the troops? He knew damn well that there were no WMDs. Yet he let bin Laden off the hook to go into Iraq for no reason. What a cocksucker. No Child Left behind is a fucking joke. Health care is in shambles. The trade deficit is one of the largest in the world. Didn't Clinton leave him a surpluss? What happened? He's printing money too fast and borrowing from the Chinese. What the hell? I guess we and our kids will pay the debt. Fuck, I hate this man. Anyone who supports him is a fucking shit-eating pussy cocksucking traitor who should hang themselves.
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Worst US President, no, I'd have to disagree with you there. I would say James "The 19th Century Ron Paul" Buchanan was. Worst President elected so far this century, sure, I would agree with that.
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Bruce Vain, your mother sucks cocks in Hell. Internet tough guys are quite possibly the saddest example of squandered humanity on display in the modern world. At least Demon Dave made a movie. You are a fucking joke, and I imagine, a complete embarrassment to the dead thugs you idolize. Keep it up, though, you just can't write comedy like this.
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Quite a few people disputed the WMD's, the American U.N. rep who was responsible for searching for WMD's reported time and time again, that none were in Iraq. Iraq was and is a failed geopolitcal manuever - and because of such stupid, careless, and dangerous policy making, we have made that region far more unstable an inimical to American interests. neocons actually beleived there would be parades in the streets of Iraq welcoming us.
I do not advocate going into N.Korea, I do beleive in diplomacy, my point is that the reason given for the invasion was extremely hypocritical when compared with the genuine threat posd by N.Korea. -
This anti-American = anti-Bush bullshit is such a fascist plow that I don't even know where to begin. And for all you foreign policy geniuses, al Qaeda in Iraq has pledged loyalty to the REAL al Qaeda, that's it. They are not in cahoots. They are two seperate things. al Qaeda in Iraq showed up there AFTER we invaded. It's not the same thing. Read a fucking paper, you pieces of traitor shit. Or better yet....DIE!!!!!!!!
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... afraid of a bloody nose. What a pussy. He'll talk a big game but puss out on committing to his words....what a worthless cunt.
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I am one "fucking shit-eating pussy cocksucking traitor who should hang themselves"
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I love you too, sweetcheeks
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Righties don't debate, they just make up the rules as they go. They nevefr have any fucking facts, only logical fallacies (and I admit, I use emotional language and ad hominen arguments sometimes, but hey....FUCK YOU RIGHT-WING CUM CLOWNS!!!!!)
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I hear you. Good call. And D'Jesus? I don't know where you morons hang out...the local junior high parking lot? Check there.
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Take care brother.
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Why do you support Bush?
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Are you off your meds? You refuse to come to NYC AFTER you said you would, and you got the balls to call me scared? And why in the fuck would I waste a dime of my money to see you? Anyway I know you're a Brit and just fucking around. Anyway if you showed up at Central Park I would've just had my friend, who's an NYPD detective, take you to fucking jail you dumb motherfucker. And maybe Amadou Diallo your ass for fun.
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Okay, with all of these things there's a middle ground that history will report on. The Iraq Debacle, however, has no luster on it anymore, and for you delusional folks thinking it was a good idea, I hope you're pleased with the nice hike in gas prices since this shit began.That said, the Democrats began with capitulating with idiots on Captiol Hill because the threat was open: You fuck with us on Iraq, and guess what? It's Veto Time Forever. So, the Dems said 'It's the wrong place, the wrong war'. But only one guy running for President had the guts to say so even today. The rest of them were gutless fucks.As for the Dems changing their tune, it's like this, children. The Republicans wanted to fuck this pig called Iraq for all the pork they could bring home. They like to fuck pigs, what can a brother say? When they started fucking, they noticed its cornhole was lathered with superglue. So while the Republicans are embarrassed and grinning like the dogs they are, they continue fucking this pig and not admitting they were fucking duped.FOR NEARLY A DECADE. Meanwhile, the Democrats are trying to figure a way out. So the Republicans are screaming 'Don't cut our dicks off! You're a coward! You don't know how great it is to fuck a pig! Let's fuck this pig for a hundred years!'Knowing damned well that their dicks are superglued to the pig's asshole, and there has to be a way to extricate the Republicrat's pecker from that pig's asshole without ripping off the dick.The Dems then say...'Well, shit, man. You're balls deep in that pig, dummy. Let's try some solvent, from our buddies in Iran...''Are you fucking crazy?!' 'They hate us for our freedom!''The freedom to fuck a pig in the ass?''Precisely, Defeat-O-Crat! You're not chopping my dick off!'So you see, it's the fact that the dicks of the Republicrats are on the line, their stupid fucking oligarchy and fucking pig-fucking corprotist whore masters are trying to figure out what to do...and STILL walk away from this illegal occupation with the money.Meanwhile, their dicks are stuck firmly up that pig's ass.Metaphors rule.
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There's no point in debating with such people. Any remaining Bush/GOP supporters are either A: monumentally naive, stupid, or ignorant, or B: just plain corrupt, selfish, evil fucking scumbags. Pick one. A discussion with a GOP supporter about politics is about as informed and well-reasoned as a conversation with a Klansman about civil rights. Fuck you, you have no one to blame but yourselves for the fucked up situation going on today. It's no sympathy night. It's "you're wrong" night. Here's to hoping that your way of life IS destroyed.
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Stay safe. I don't understand why you do what you do, considering you had an option, but you're good people that much is true. I wish Vain was going in your place, or any number of the brain dead dittoheads in here, so you can stick around talkbacks. Come back soon.
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I would advise not coming to where we hang out. It would be dangerous to enter the lair of war mongering mad men with an arsenal of guns and a will to kill. You wouldn't fare very well.
Remember, we are crazy "RIGHT-WING CUM CLOWNS" who "make up the rules as they go". You wouldn't like the rules we play by.
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1) Clinton is not the nominee. 2) If you saw a guy repeatedly pulling on a door, trying to get in to a building, but the door needed to be pushed, wouldn't you expect the guy to figure it out and push the door open? So...you admire Bush for pulling on the door even though it's wrong? Even though all his reasons for going to war have been proven wrong?
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"Tax Cuts for the Rich!!"
According to IRS.Gov:
86% of all federal income taxes are PAID by the top 25% of wage earners. The Top 50% PAY 97%.
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Staying on point will not win the debate. It'll just prove how retardation is incurable.
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is about as good as is regular movie reviews - absolute shyte. This is why morons shouldn't talk shit about things they know nothing about. In Mr. Kowles' case, politics. This is leftist fever swamp idiocy at its most pure. The right-wing version would need black helicopters and IRS agents stealing souls in the middle of the night. I haven't read anything this dumb since I read the Matrix 3 script. Mr. Knowles - pull your head outta yer arse and keep it out by staying out of politics. Let's keep this a movie board so that everyone's asshole opinion is of just as much weight as anyone else's.
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A lot of brand new Talkbackers seem to have signed up for this TB. I wonder what that's all about.And that picture of Brolin is intriguing. It's like what Llewelyn Moss would have looked like 20 years later...had he not died.
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Or continue to insult. Either way we win
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Would an Islamic country actually have a pig in it?
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Keep speaking your mind on this stuff, anything that pisses off this many scumbags (as they, ironically, voluntarily generate revenue for your site with their crying) is entirely worthwhile.
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I was thinking the exact same thing about the sudden influx of new posters - and most of then right wing nutters.
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Is the Iraq War justified under Just War Theory? No. Taking a consequentialist view, is it ethical to cut taxes for people who have too much already? What are the consequences for the other 99% of the population? Do they reinvest in their companies, or do they just reap the benefits? Or, in other words, are Bush's tax cuts a crock? If one of our goals in Iraq was to free the oppressed citizens of the country, isn't it fitting, as that was based on deontological ethics, that we free the people of N. Korea, where Kim Jong Il is worse and actually has nuclear weapons? Do I need to go on?
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I really like coming to this site for "cool news" but am pretty sick of getting the political views of the people who run it served with my "cool news".
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bush's tax cuts led to higher government revenue in a very short amount of time (ie, the government got more money from taxes, because tax revenue increased). that class warfare bullshit doesn't fly unless you just want to punitively take money from the "rich" and you want the government to take in less revenue.
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Hey, fuckhead. You're talking about two fucking different taxes. The majority of the country pays PAYROLL FUCKING TAX and SOCIAL SECURITY. Not JUST Federal Income Tax. It's a lie that the Right likes to tell, because the facts don't back you up. We pay the lion's share in sales taxes on gas, fucking food, lodgings, property taxes, and every other goddamned thing, and the big boys? They pay less than they have in decades. Since around the Depression. It's time for us to reap these bloated fucks for all we can get. Financially speaking, we're gonna eat the rich...Tighten up those assholes, fuckers. It's a bad time in history to be a rich dickbag.RightSock, the tax hikes wouldn't affect you in a million fucking years, because I seriously doubt your dumb cracker ass makes millions a year.By the way, it's scary story time: Let's say you make 50k a year. How long would it take to make your first million? Considering energy and food costs too Goddamned much now, and only rises because of the devalued dollar...Forever and ever seems a pretty good estimate. When your yearly income reaches 3 million, meaning you pull in 3 million in gains in a year, then you start paying those 'taxes for the wealthy'. So, yeah, good try. But let's not play with numbers, fuckbag. The wealthy get off light, and the thinning out middle class gets fucked for it. This system may collapse, and I for one would laugh all the way down...Just to see the looks on the douchebag's faces who think Bush and his whore masters give half a shit about them.Get your facts straight.
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I guess that means I am a corrupt, selfish, evil fucking scumbags. Where do I pick up my free swag?
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What a simpleton you are. If someone earns $20,000 a year, it would take 50 of them to earn as much as a millionaire. So, you think that it's normal for 1% of the country to have as much capital as the bottom 50%. The reason why they should pay more is because they can afford to. Thanks for playing.
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...he hasn't killed any innocent people. Bush has killed thousands. There's no defending mass murder.
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Yup, it's done wonders for this country....tell me again how he wasted the surpluss that Clinton gave him by balancing the budget?
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Wow...that's pretty amazing. From each according to his means---To each according to his needs. That Karl Marx was brilliant huh?
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WEAK idea for a movie. WEAK that anyone would plunk down $9 to sit thru this piece of shit (You couldn't pay me to sit thru a 'rip fest' of ANYONE I despised. WEAK sycophants like Harry who will sit like a giddy little girl gibbering at the screen with each put down. WEAK that anyone would classify this as "entertaining". You know the people like Rush Limbaugh and his callers who wildly HATE Bill Clinton...THAT's YOU! Just on the other side. Clowns.
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President Lincoln was responsible for a war that cost the lives of over 600,000 Americans and his generals destroyed the south which still suffer today.
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no... the capital gains tax is at 15%, and not higher, because no one wants to discourage investment, especially now, and the market has a large inherent risk involved that a higher tax rate makes prohibitively expensive to a lot of people. and the largest fed. revenue is from the income tax, which the top 1% pays just over a third of... the top 50% pays 97% of... and the bottom 50% of wage earners (using wage as the scale) is just 60 million people in our nation of over 300 million people. cut out the class warfare bullshit. it's not supported by irs stats or census stats... just cut that crap out.
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think about the majority of historians naming Bush the worst president ever? How do you get around that? How about the Iraq War? Justify it. I mean, did you want terrorism to go up worldwide? Because that's what happened. What about wasting money and lives? Because that's what happened. Do you like that the 8th amendment has been pissed on? Are you really that blind because of party loyalty, or are you really anti-American? McCain? Great candidate...Dole '96, anyone?
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In Hell, I'm guessing. Just get in line behind Bruce Vain.
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Clever clever. Your right, they need that 5th lake home. Fight for the people, you boob. The infrastructure is crumbling and Exxon is netting 11 billion a quarter. Glad to see where your head's at. Chump.
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So we have a workforce of 150 million. Interesting. Asshat.
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I don't know, man. I'm no longer surprised by the topics that bring certain "types" out of the proverbial woodwork. But it is interesting.
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Harry blaming Bush for the mortage crisis....Some clown thinks Lincoln is the worst prez ever. Hilarious. This site is by far and unequivocally the home of the most uneducated, knee jerk, emotional doofuses I've ever visited. Unfortunately, I can't look away. Please...continue to entertain me
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Hey man, you guys always tout Karl Marx and Lenin when something that sounds like populism is brought up as an argument.Guess what? That shit's old news, man. Nobody's scared of the Red Threat anymore. It's really old school, man.Second, you want to know how Karl Marx and Socialist/Communism gained a foothold in Russia? Because there they had a monarchy that financially oppressed the masses of people to the point of revolution. Now, we have a so-called Capitalist nation, running itself as a pseudo-monarchy...the worthless rich in the country removing the tax on their gains so they can bequeath their holdings to their worthless, shiftless children in perpetuity, to keep the wealthy wealthy, and create a peasant class.The best part is, Right, is that all you fucking Dittoheads and Bush Backers and fucking Right Wing dipshits are PART of the peasant class they despise. Just because you're the 'manager' of your department, doesn't mean you're in charge of shit. The corporate ladder has a top, and that's far and away from where the actual financial power lies. So, for idiots who despise Marxism, you sure as fuck are pushing it on the poor and desperate as an option. I have hope that not everyone is fucking stupid cow-folk, but hey, again, I'm loving this ride so far. I'm sitting here in my house with all the lights on, typing on the 'Net, feeding my fat face and watching Lost...I'm the picture of capitalistic glee, because I know that this is a dying system, mathematically it cannot continue growing exponentially into the future without some consequence. Man is not designed to allow for perpetual productivity.I predict a dark age. (Check out the pictures of the GI Joe costumes for proof of THAT.) :)
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Clinton got his surplus due to economic growth started a decade before, the tech bubble, and by cutting defense spending down to an unsustainably low level. Bush lost that surplus because he had to rebuild the military (which lost a third of its personal and all its smart bomds during the previous administration), institute Keynesian policies due to the economic downturn he inherited, he created a whole new branch of the government, expanded the gov. payroll, and then he pushed funding for all sorts of shit he didn't have the funding for. And, he never really quit the Keynesian policies (increasing gov. spending or the money supply or both). Bush has been extremely fiscally irresponsible, but only in certain areas (admittedly, those have proven to be the largest expenditures by and far). Some of the expenditures are justified, a lot are total bullshit.
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I meant to say, the questionable spending has proven to be the largest by and far.
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The bottom half of America brings in less than $30,000 per household. That's around 15% of all the income earned. You people are slime.
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no, we have a workforce of roughly 200 million, and only 60 million comprise the bottom 50% of wage earners (using wage as the scale).
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With facts please describe how the "The majority of the country pays PAYROLL F-ING TAX and SOCIAL SECURITY"? You seem emphatic about this so please explain in detail. Also...uhh...most of the other taxes you listed are not adjusted based on income, so explain how you pay more? I do not pay any more or less tax for food or gas than you do. In fact, because I probably make more money than you and have a bigger house in a nice suburb...I probably pay MORE property tax! If you only make 50K in America, than you really need to examine your situation. Unlimited possibilities here folks. Even for a some dumb old hispanic with a a high school education
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Cool, thanks ebonic_plague.
Personally, my only major beef with Bush is that he has never manned up to his role as Commander-in-chief in the respect that if the commanders on the field are not doing their jobs and getting results that their boss and the president's boss (the American public) demand, something approaching normalcy in Iraq so we can get out of there, then they should be relieved, just like Lincoln did in the Civil War. -
We went into Iraq because we thought Iraq had weapons. Iraq wanted the world to think it had weapons hence why it fucked about with inspections and acted shady. Iran & Iraq don't get along. After the first Gulf war Iran saw how Iraq was weakend and under sanctions. It waited until things cooled down and was preparing to start up some more shit and invade Iraq. In order to stop Iran Saddam had to make Iran think they had weapons hidden. Saddam's game with Iran fucked himself because people thought he was hiding shit. Now I personally think he had some stuff he shipped over to Syria. But regardless we rolled in to make sure. Nothing found, fuck the coalition right. That is why I feel the invasion was justified.
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Who do you know that earns minimum wage that ain't a teenager or a part-time employee?
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I’ll come to NYC to pulp you, it seems only fair. I just reckon you’d prefer to have your sorry ass beat in the sunny environs of SoCal. And, fucktard, I ain’t a Brit. I am a yank inclined to beat the snot out of you, supposing you are willing to get beat down.
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Steve, Steve, Steve...Okay, man, let's talk about the 'top 50%' of wage earners then...Hold on. Let's talk about your numbers.Which census are we talking? Which IRS stats? Is it now, when the poverty level is around 24,000 bucks a year, and growing? What are we talking about the top 50% then? Show your work, man. Or it's just stating that there's a fact out there and it backs you up. Let's see the math, and go ahead and reference your source too, the year as well. Because I bet you're using old stats when it suits your argument, because intellectual dishonesty seems to be the only way for righties to gain any argumentative ground.What's MORE intriguing to me is what's in this fight for you? Educating people? Making people love America? Making people hate terrorism and communism? What's in it for you guys that makes this so tempting? Do you think the wealthy's gonna 'trickle down' on you? I got news for you pal, that trickle you're feeling from the top 1% ain't money. Much love, man, but without actually referencing your facts, you're either mistaken or lying. (That's my MLA handbook talking. You probably are honest as Good Old Jeebus).
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Clinton did away with "laser painting" a target and had the airforce stock up with JDAMS, which Bush I didn't have. So, I don't know where you're getting your shit (Rush, I'm guessing), but you're a liar. In 1986, Reagan's second year of his second term, the defense budget was $273 billion; in '96 $266 billion. Man, he gutted that military. If Bush rebuilt the military, what happened to the armored vehicles and body armor?
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Clinton was indeed the benefactor of events that he had no direct control over i.e. the Dot.Com explosion. However, it was his own fiscally responsbile policies during eight years in office, that kept that surplus.
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I like this site, but give it up. HK is the archtype fat, shut-in, fanboy. He knows as much about politics as Bush knows about Terminator 4 (i.e. nothing). Stick to info-tainment there chubs, and leave the real world to those that can handle it, m'kay?
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and Clinton didn't tax capital gains either. And he balanced the budget. Spend and no taxing doesn't work.
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Made you look!
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And this is one of it's cornerstones: From each according to his means---To each according to his needs. No amount of spin can change that. Your beloved social programs cause deficits not wars.
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that earn that little. They're still out there. And they need more help than I do, than you do, and definitely more than the richest 1%. Tell me, are you a fan of Ayn Rand?
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CNN poll: Economy far ahead of war as top issue in 2008 race
New poll: 49 percent say the economy is the top issue in their vote for president
Poll suggests inflation is the top economic problem in the minds of most Americans
Iraq War was top issue in most of 2007; now a distant second, at 19 percent
By Paul Steinhauser
CNN Deputy Political Director
INDIANAPOLIS, Indiana (CNN) -- A new poll indicates that the economy is issue No. 1 with American voters, now more than ever.
The new poll found Americans are more worried about high gas prices than rising food costs.
Forty-nine percent of those questioned in a new CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Friday said the economy is the top issue in their vote for president, seven points higher than found in a March survey.
The Iraq War is a distant second, with 19 percent of those polled saying it's the most important issue, followed by the issues of health care at 14 percent, terrorism at 9 percent and immigration at 8 percent.
"Through most of 2007, the war in Iraq was the top issue in voters' minds," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "But starting in November, the economy and Iraq tied for first and by December the economy was in the lead. Now the economy beats the war by more than 2-to-1."
The poll suggests that inflation is the top economic issue for most Americans, with 47 percent of those questioned identifying it as the biggest economic problem.
The housing crisis, at 19 percent, came in second, followed by taxes,13 percent; unemployment, 13 percent; and the stock market, 5 percent.
Both gasoline prices and food prices have skyrocketed this year, but 68 percent of respondents said prices at the pump concern them more, while 23 answered food prices did.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll was conducted Monday through Wednesday, with 1,008 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage
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Lets' see now...
The Economy
The Iraq War
Health Care
Terrorism
NNnnnnnnnnnope! no sign or mention of the guy who used to preach at Obama's old church !
But how can that be ! FOX thinks this is the most important story in the world so it MUST be !
Otherwise FOX would be guilty of Political spin doctoring !
yeah right !
BTW there are 6 entire months till the Election EVEN FOX and the Republicans can't keep this trivia going for that long but I hope to God they try as the response from Americans worried about thier Jobs, Healthcare, Gas prices, Food prices and the Iraq war to week after week after week of these desperate attempts to distract will be amusingly harsh.
Oh! and here's one just for you and McCain whackamole
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Poll: More disapprove of Bush than any other president
President Bush's disapproval rating hits all-time high in polling
More than 70 percent disapprove in CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll
Survey indicates support for Iraq war has never been lower Low approval numbers come five years after "Mission Accomplished" moment
By Paul Steinhauser
CNN Deputy Political Director
WASHINGTON DC (CNN) -- A new poll suggests that President Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history.
A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll shows 71 percent disapprove of President Bush's job performance.
A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday indicates that 71 percent of the American public disapprove of how Bush is handling his job as president.
"No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating in any CNN or Gallup Poll; in fact, this is the first time that any president's disapproval rating has cracked the 70 percent mark," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director.
"Bush's approval rating, which stands at 28 percent in our new poll, remains better than the all-time lows set by Harry Truman and Richard Nixon [22 percent and 24 percent, respectively], but even those two presidents never got a disapproval rating in the 70s," Holland said. "The previous all-time record in CNN or Gallup polling was set by Truman, 67 percent disapproval in January 1952."
Who would have thought anyone could (or indeed should) make Nixon look good ?
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The primary fallacy in class warfare logic is this: Bill Gates could earn another 50 billion dollars tomorrow and neither you or I would be worse off. Wealth is not finite or limited, it is always being created and destroyed. And, my stats come first hand from Jeffrey Liebman, one of Obama's economic advisers and one of the more promising young economists, and Martin Feldstein, one of the top economists in the world for decades. You aren't arguing with me, you're arguing with them.
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Bush has fucked this country five ways from Sunday. The country is firmly in the Democrats corner now...that's he's only achievement.
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Uh, immigrants. Adult waitresses make LESS than minimum wage. You are misinformed, and a bit elitist saying that shit.And to my 'adversary'...Uh, no thanks. I don't want to be your enemy, dude. Because at the end of the day we both want the same thing, I bet. We want our country to do the best it can for all of us, and allow America to be the best it can.Your little remark about Unlimited Potential is also true of Myanmar, Iraq, and Bosnia. Everything has unlimited potential. Even the stock market says there's no way to base future earnings on past performance. So, you made it, you're making more than my wife and I, bravo; it just so happens that we're starting out, and we're in a very growth heavy industry (which is great), but there's guys out there who get their jobs shipped away to line the pockets of the wealthy. And it does happen. More and more now, for us to play pretend that capitalism is great for democracy, it depends on us pretending that these outsourcing companies are just part of that healthy growth. But they're bringing nothing back to us in the form of taxes, and there's nothing to stop them. It's fucked up, man. And again, as a guy lower than you on the ladder, it's easier to laugh when you got less to lose.A wise man said 'Any country that goes without three meals a day for a week can easily slip into Anarchy'. And it looks like milk's more expensive than gas...The people are getting hungry, is all I'm saying.
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I am a fan of Ayn Rand. But I've only read Atlas Shrugged, and just a few months ago. I really enjoyed the first half. The ending was shit and totally jumped the shark, however. And don't bitch about that, I'm also a huge fan of Carson McCullers.
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Sorry. :-)No edit sadly.
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Just checking
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What's really funny is all the moonbats blaming Bush for the high price of oil. About seven years ago he try to pass an energy bill that actually produced energy (instead of raising taxes), and was shot down by the dems. "It will be 8 years before that oil will come on line" Blah blah...Guess what moonbats, if that bill was passed the first time it would only be one year till it was here. I think liberals are really just mad gas isn't $2.00 a gallon because they now have no room to tack on a $3.00 tax to waste your money with. Also funny, left wing tree huggers with much love for Senior Prick Chavez and President Tom Thumb of Iran. Those two have way more to profit from by creating turmoil and raising the price of a barrel of oil than Bush does.
Don't see them pushing for wind and solar power either. Here endeth the lesson, dickheads.
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May 08, 2008 9:43:06 PM CDT
Pay no attention to the trillion dollar elephant in the room!
by flim springfield
I love how people are trying to pick their battles in defense of Bush. You have to defend the WHOLE turd, folks, you can't just pick out a peanut that you think might still be okay to eat.
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Uncle George also had approval in the 70's too.
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I'm talking macro. If you think reducing nation wide info to manageable stats is "elitist," stay the fuck away from the FED or the Census Bureau... or Congress... or any nation wide Non-Profit or charity... well, I don't need to continue.
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It WASN'T meant be posted.But really, quibbling with the Question ? On EVERY poll ? There comes a time when reality has to sink in surely ?
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You are quite correct about people such as Morbid being selective about which poll they choose to believe.
By any stretch and any poll, Bushie simply has the worst polling numbers of all time. And as some on the right are fond of saying, the Viet Nam war was far more unpopular than Iraq, yet Bush is still the lowest rated on any and every poll. -
I think that your example is a good one. If Bill Gates earned 100 billion next year, no one would bat an eye and it wouldn't hurt me or anyone else...Because he's earning his money on a commercial product that people can choose to have. And he also throws money into charities, like the model top 1%-er in true capitalism would do.On the other hand, Exxon-Mobil earns record profits, and we are a little annoyed: They earn their money on a resource that they tout as finite, and increase the need for it by putting political pressure on our government to hack away at research that would change how we power our vehicles. These are facts as I see them. Pretty fucking crass to name a tanker after our Secretary of State, but hell, whatcha gonna do? These guys are fucking criminals in the merest shades of gray. So, what do I need more? Windows Vista? Or Gasoline? One is a product, an option for my lifestyle...the other is a utility. So yeah, we're both right on this one, man. I think that guys using the resources of our Commonwealth, and using our political system with their money to outweigh the will of the people (and yeah, misinformation through the media is also one of the ways they can manipulate with their vast wealth in a way that mere 'voters' cannot). So its imbalanced, man. That's all. And the more imbalanced it becomes, the more the desperate are going to be sharpening their knives. I'm not saying 'Yay! Marxism!' I'm saying 'Watch out, this is how revolutions begin.'.
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Lefties are people too and I wish no one ill will. Keep working hard and fighting for all you are worth. You will succeed. The only barriers in this country are those we place on ourselves. I predict within 10 years you will lean Right. You will see 28-35 percent of you check going to failed federal welfare programs and it will anger you. You will see a $6500.00 property tax bill on you $285,000.00 house and it will steam you that your kids get a crappy public school education. You will one day want to put money away for your kids to go to college. And it will piss you off that the $300.00 you could have used that month went to Social Security.
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Reread "Catcher in The Rye"; there's a message in it for you.
One last thing: Sure, Gates making another 50 billion wouldn't do anything to me, but does he need it. Steve, you pass ECON, you fail ethics. -
Listen to this nonsense! He EARNED it Colonel, it's his company! You could start a business too. Find a need and fill it. THEN the money will be yours to do with what you wish...
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I reckon you are too cowardly to respond to me, so I'll leave it at this: stop commentating on matters that are beyond your intellectual grasp. Ta.
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You are my Economics Hero! I bask in your glory!
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I don't get your post. Especially your reference to Exxon. Exxon has made record profits by selling more gas. Unless you're posting from Wyoming or Alaska or somewhere similar... both the state and federal gov's make multiple times the profit margin of Exxon from the taxes, and the gov. isn't the entity providing it at every gas station. I'm not getting into a lobbyist debate, because their influence is unknowable (although the coal and environmental lobbies obviously have shitloads of pull given the several decades absence of new nuclear plants). Also, MA is a Commonwealth, the US is supposed to be a Republic. There's a difference.
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Economics is the study of how society distributes its scarce resources. I pass Econ and you fail ethics because you don't seem to care what the effects of said distribution are, as long as it's got a feel good case.
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May 08, 2008 10:16:28 PM CDT
Why it's worthless to berate Harry for his political musings
by zacdilone
He gets off on it. In fact, his level of hatred for Dubya is rooted more in his desire for attention than in any cogent political analysis.
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You may not like President Bush, and he has clearly made some mistakes, but let's cut out the far left talking points and stick to movies. What is it? Less than 2% of homes are in foreclosure (this after record-setting home ownership). Is it Bush's fault that some people paid more than they could afford? Perhaps we should curse him for our credit card purchases as well.
"Our station in the world"--Have you noticed the elections in Britain, Germany, France, Italy and South Korea? All have moved back or toward the pro-American wings of their respective parties. (Also, Reagan was the boogeyman of left wing European activists, but that didn't make him wrong in his stance on the Soviet Union--sometimes bucking world opinion can be a good and necessary thing.
Economy: Bush's take cuts created MORE revenue--not less. The economy has recovered remarkably well from the dot com collapse and 9-11. There has been sluggish growth of late, but it is still growth. What has frustrated people most lately is gas and the weak dollar (a legit problem for the Bush administration).
"War Mongering"-- Iraq was in violation of a cease-fire agreement made during the last Gulf War. After 9-11, the Iraq/Saddam threat was viewed differently (and both Clinton and Gore described that threat as great indeed when they ran against GHW Bush--and again during Operation Desert Fox). Bush (AND Congress) used the best interpretation of the intelligence available and took us to war. You can disagree with it, call it unwise, whatever, but there is NO evidence that it was a mere spirit of "Warmongering" that made the president's decision. These kinds of cheap and conspiratorial claims are poor politics and beneath the spirit of a loyal opposition. It is an American War, not a Bush war. You can criticize how he conducted it, and there are several valid reasons to do so, but this kind of personal attack and conspiratorial nonsense doesn't do anyone any good and I think does the country some harm. Lives have been lost in Iraq because Bush has tried to keep a smaller footprint, and while every casualty is horrible and every casualty represents a unique human life which can never be replicated or replaced, casualties in Iraq have been extremely light compared to all other U.S. wars.
President Bush could use some criticism (spending, failing to plan adequately for the post-war, poor communications), but we should endeavor to make it constructive and accurate.
As for this movie, after all the thinly disguised attacks on Bush at the theater, does ANYONE, left or right, REALLY want to see ANOTHER? It looks like a big snoozer to me. I mean, by now, who really thinks it's brave, bold or clever to make fun of Bush. It's done competently every night by Stewart and Colbert, (I don't always agree with them, but can see their talent), and is done incompetently by countless others. -
Rendering any such attempt to overturn Policy moot.
And because if he isn't already, by November he and his Iraq Policy.
Also, amusing though it would be to take the credit for a massive chunk of the American Populations views, it's the Polls that say Iraq has never been so unpopular, not me or Toadkillerdog. -
9/11 was an excuse, not a reason. Iraq had no connection. Iraq had no WMDs, the weapons inspectors had already confirmed that. Bush did not act on "best intelligence", they fabricated intelligence as a means to an end. They sent Powell out to lie to the world because he still had some respect. They were and are warmongers.
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I'm sure it will be as high quality and well attended as all the other left-wing politi-prop Hollywood has excreted the past decade or two.
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He is not George Bush Jr.. He is George W. Bush. His dad is George H.W. Bush. You cannot be a "Jr" if you have a different name. That said, W. is a douche.
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I'm not berating you, but I do sympathize with you. Your whole argument for Bush is grounded in an idealistic but misplaced trust that he and the NeoCons acted in good faith. You said, "there is NO evidence that it was a mere spirit of "Warmongering"". But there is - there is testimony from former Administration officials who saw first hand how Cheney and Rumsfeld, and the aforementioned Douglas Feith, all steered policy towards an ill-advised invasion. I'd wish half of the wingnuts in this TB would give a fraction of your idealistic faith to the Left, but that's not to be the case, so to appeal to the Left to do so for Bush, after what he and the NeoCons have done in the last 7 years - that's just unwarranted.
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but unfortunately it's ranked lower than the economy as a driving issue among voters. Just because it's not the hot topic on people's minds doesn't mean they support it. The polls among the populace, including active military, show otherwise.
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You should speak out about 9/11 Truth. Everyone knows 9/11 was a fucking inside job. Jet fuel and a plane cannot bring down a steel-framed building, let alone the THIRD building that fell that day in NYC!
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Now that most of you have gotten your venom for whatever side you aren't on, I just wanted to comment on something that has become blatantly clear about our society.
In recent history going back into the 70's (don't know when it started as I am only 30) it became acceptable and fun to mock the Commander in Chief. Not only that, but it seemed to evolve into a sport where ridicule over things that had nothing to do with the effectiveness of the President, but more to do with what could get a cheap laugh. In more recent times with GHW Bush, Clinton and GW Bush it has almost taken a heated turn in to a mocking hatred being aimed at the office holder. Part of me suspects and wants to blame SNL for it as they seemed to always be at the forefront of the latest political satire on TV and were always one to mock the CIC for cheap laughs, but if I am honest with myself it couldn't have started there. No it probably just got a more attention there, but the hatred and mockery has over the long haul degraded the office in the eyes of the public.
I pity whomever wins our next election. I personally don't care for any of the three possible candidates running right now, but whomever is selected in November, they are in for at least four years if not eight where they will be looked at as the village idiot whether they make good decisions or not. They will be the source of all problems in the world and they will have personally killed every person to die an accidental death. Now this is ment as sarcasm, but will the reality be that far off?
No person is perfect and no person is capable or responsible for the all the problems out there. Like most things they are complicated and created by lots of decisions and people making them. Not that the CIC isn't due a measure of fault for bad situations they are involved in, but to treat them as Satan, the Anti Christ and the reincarnation of Hitler all rolled into one is extreme no matter what.
So take responsiblity for your own life, be happy with your place in the world if things are good and know you can change things if you really want to. Above all, if not the person, respect the office and the symbol that it is. -
Grandstanding over a catastrophic war with an Election and New Policy a mere 6 months away.
Nah! don't think your services will be required at Democratic headquarters as a strategist somehow.
This War is now very unpopular. Wishing the evidence away by blaming CNN, or anyone else who conducts an opinion poll that confirms it, just ain't gonna cut it I'm afraid.
And since you already know it's obviously been overshadowed by a car crash economy why ask me unless it's to try and paint a polyanna scenario yet again ?
B.T.W. The same Oil Analysts who were called Doom-mongers for predicting Oil would easily Top $100 a Barrel not so very long ago, are now saying the $200 Barrel is just a matter of time, so what do you think the chances of pretending there isn't a recession are then ? -
That's an interesting observation. In the Internet age and the freeflow of discourse like this, Presidents, like celebrities, will be brought down to our level ever more easily. Without the Net, would we ever have been able to talkback with Bruce Willis, live, with him wearing a wife-beater? You can rightly blame satire like SNL for making Presidents more human, and fallible as they are. But that doesn't even compare to the nationwide character assassination the Republicans committed on Bill Clinton throughout his Presidency. From Whitewater to Lewinsky and the Ken Starr witch hunt, they have completely reduced the office of the Presidency to a joke in order to take it. Critical satire is one thing, but that was a real transformation of the way government operates in this country - dirty as all hell.
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your comments on Global Warming, or "climate change" as they call it now that it gets cold, are based on the premise of the interpretation of scientific findings, rather than established scientific fact. considering that scientists are running around now bewilderingly announcing that "global warming is off the agenda until 2012", i would show caution in relying on all that they say.
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And understands 9/11 was not caused by Al Quaeda? Anyone else listen to Alan Watt? Anyone else understand that we arent the USA anymore but the North American Union, and this is why we don't deport illegals? Anyone else aware of the NWO, CFR, Bilderberg, Alex Jones, knows what a false-flag attack is, understands predictive programming, culture creation, that our entire political system is a hoax, the media is all a lie, and knew food and gas prices were going to go up years ago and also knew the dollar was going to crash like I did? Just curious.
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And in a way, such predictions feed the effects. They do drive the speculators, but that's just part of the equation. Gas prices did not cap out in May, but some analysts predict they will continue to rise through the summer. Just mere weeks ago a reporter asked Dumbfuck-in-Chief what he thought about gas going to $4 a gallon - and the moron said he hadn't heard anything about it. Seriously, if you read and watch him, there is no conclusion to be drawn other than that he is totally clueless. So anyway, the effects of higher gas prices will continue to weigh down the economy. Food prices, prices on everything. The Fed has a rough road ahead in controlling inflation - I give them an A- so far on the effort but it's far from over. Today oil hit what, $123 a barrel? It was less than $100 just months ago. This is insanity. When it hits $200, what will be the price of gas? $7, $8 a gallon? What are the effects of that? 7 years ago, a President Gore would have had the foresight to enact an energy policy that would lessen the effects of such a drastic energy cost increase. Now, we're wading in the shit looking for a way out. I'm really baffled by Bush supporters. You guys amaze me to no end.
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May 08, 2008 11:14:17 PM CDT
And for the record I am NOT for deportation of illegals.
by robertplant
Just wanted to clarify that. I support everyone, legal and non-legal. Fuck this non-government.
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I take that as a cue to check out some of those sites.
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No I'm talking about conservation and developing alternative energy resources. Now tell me about drilling at ANWAR. How much oil is there? What are the costs for developing those fields and how much of a reduction in gas prices would that yield, and for how long?
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May 08, 2008 11:25:44 PM CDT
God, some people are still peddling that "Loose Change" crap?
by flim springfield
I hope you're just being sarcastic, plant.
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...updated and altered FOUR times because its claims have been debunked? You mean the film made by the ultra-dubious Dylan Avery who has backed away from the controlled demolition theory and now believes they may have been wrong about WTC 7?Why is it that the people who peddle those theories never keep up with the current events of their own movement?Just a random thought.
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That makes perfect sense.
Unemployment is just one indicator which can lag behind an Economy teetering into or already in recession. Negative Growth per Quarter is generally held to be the key indicator and that is only keeping in positive figures by mere fractions of a percent. Most Economists consider the health of the Housing Market to be another fairly important Key indicator which no doubt you will also tell us is somehow doing just swell.
Actually the more the Republicans and their Pet Pundits keep trying to pretend everything is just peachy all the way till November the better the Dems chances will be.
Voters, a huge proportion of which will be having to make real financial sacrifices now and by November, will waste very little time punishing Politicians who try and them they have never had it so good.
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some people have trouble translating what they read into useful information. If you go back and read I did use the word SOME, not all. But unfortunately conservatives enjoy using the "if you're not for us you're against us" bullshit far to often. Especially when treading on the Constitution. That seems to be their only avenue of debate. And Bush's sorry ass is behind most of it.
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May 08, 2008 11:37:11 PM CDT
HERE'S HOW GORE AND CONSERVATION WOULD HAVE BENEFITED US
by bringingsexyback
Jimmy Carter made no apologies for his 55MPH policy because he believed that to be a sound way to confront high oil prices. Let's do some basic math. $2 a gallon at 16 MPG for your average SUV and minivan = $125 to cover 1,000 miles which is your average monthly driving distance for most cars on the road. At $4 a gallon, that's $250. At $6, that's $375. If Goldman Sachs is to be believed, and gas hits $8 in 2 years or thereabouts, that's $500.
Now take a hybrid that gets about 40 MPG (my friend who has a Prius gets 44) ... $40 to cover 1,000 miles at $2 a gallon. $80 at $4 a gallon. $120 at $6, and $160 at $8.
So at $8 a gallon for the hybrid, it's just slightly more expensive than $2 a gallon for the SUV to cover that same distance.
And that's 62 gallons for the SUV vs. 25 for the hybrid. To do the same job. And because Shithead-in-Chief and his puppet master Cheney are deep in bed with the oil industry, from the Saudis to the Exxons, we have not heard one peep about conservation in the last 7 years.
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My mistake he walked hand in hand tripping through the Daisies before asssuming the position for his beloved Dictator and close friend of the family.
I'll bet the King of Saud had rarely felt so under pressure and no doubt Bush is on the phone right now ,whispering sweet nothings, I mean, strongly shaping America's interests and persuading his greatest Mid East Ally to make his case forcefully to OPEC. -
Looks like I was ahead of you. So anyway, let's hear how drilling at ANWAR would solve the oil crisis. And we do agree there is a crisis, right?
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...The President works for us, not the other way around, remember? And having grown up with Tricky Dick, Gerald fell-on-his-ass Ford and Jimmy "Mr. Peanut" Carter, I can tell you, slamming the POTUS is nothing new. In fact, it's as old as the hills, and as American as apple pie and all that crap (Example: http://tinyurl.com/4ouo7f ). Fuck mindless "patriotism" and "symbols": I respect the office only to the extent that the individual occupying it warrants. And for the reasons Harry cited above, it couldn't deserve less respect at this point...the least of the three running now would be a massive improvement.
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Why pay attention to someone with their head in the sand ?
The Iraq War is VERY unpopular. You know it. I know it. Bush certainly knows it. The overwhelming majority of Americans know it. Even FOX News knows it but will never of course admit it.
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You keep doing the same tiresome dodging over and over. Do you not read? Conservation. Alternative Energy. Now for the fifth time, how would ANWAR solve the oil crisis? Expound on that enthusiasm, maybe you can solve the problem and I can own a car again.
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Have you noticed a pattern to your posts? Endless rhetorical questions without ever detailing your own facts. You gotta give a little to get a little, know what I mean? Jesus.
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Looking forward to that ANWAR Solution, if you ever decide to grace us with it.
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I wasn't going to chime in and I am sure this is horribly out of sequence to the current posts, but a while ago Pariah74 (I think) talked about people being too lazy to get out and vote for good candidates...has anyone mentioned that fact that a huge number of people never get to have a say in who the two main candidates are? Try living in a small (population wise) state that has its primaries well into the season (if at all - because the candidates are usually already decided). You want to talk about disenfranchisment? Try living in Idaho. I basically have no voice, and I have no one I feel good about voting for in the upcoming election. I may just write in, "None of the above." like Pryor said in Brewster's Millions. Although, really what do I know, I am just a typical white person clinging to my religion and guns.
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For someone who's "enthusiastic" and "enjoys" talking about ANWAR, you're sure silent about it. Maybe it's not the elixir you imagine it to be. Or maybe you suspect I have some inconvenient figures about ANWAR that will compromise your "enthusiasm"? Whatever it is, smart move to dodge the issue, I give you that. Good night.
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May 09, 2008 12:19:10 AM CDT
THe War is popular becaues Dems won't follow a piss poor strateg
by g100
You seem curiously obsessed by a hypothetical strategy that no-one has enacted or ever will enact since the Election is imminent.
Do you REALLY think it is some sort of Bizzarre proof that a War, which every Poll in the Land and common sense tells everyone else is unpopular, is in fact popular, simply because the Dems haven't enacted this frankly idiotic and pointless strategy, which only YOU are obsessed by and only YOU think they should enact?
The Political Genius of trying to cut funds to the Military in a time of War when the President will just Veto it anyway ????
Yes, the only possible reason the Dems haven't and won't do that is because the Iraq war is actually very popular !!!
This despite what the Dems say and what everyone else believes. Riiiiiiiiiiiight!
Perhaps there is a reason you aren't a Democratic Party Strategist Morbid ? And perhaps until I hear them actually say it I won't labour under the eccentric delusion you do that the Dems think the Iraq War is popular.
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are the two-party system and lobbyists. Between those two, this country has been distorted beyond recognition.
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Who reveals his ignoranc about politics by putting too much faith in it, and giving it power it simply doesn't have. The government can't solve all of our problems, nor is it responsible for all our problems; part of the problem is the liberal point of view that the government should solve all of our problems. To blame a president for all our problems is just pure ignorance, as if a democratic congress had nothing to do with it, and the fact that the more 'green' that is being demanded of us as a country, the more the government is involved in the private sector econmomy, which tends to screw things up. The point is, after the attacks on 9/11 we could have been in much worse shape economically, especially if many more attacks on our soil occurred, but this President has spared us from that by keeping us safe, and fighting a war on terror that cannot be wished away. If we had a leader that did attempt to simply wish it away, we would be in much worse shape, with no one spending money out of fear of a bomb going off at the mall or a restaurant. Harry, thanks for revealing what a complete idiot you really are.
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I thought I would feel bad when you finally had your heart attack. Fuck that, I hope you go soon. This site may be yours but this abuse of your viewers shows you would be much more of a tyrant than GWB could be even in your rotted mind. You really should be producing movies; you are that big of an asshole.
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First, I never EVER mentioned Loose Change. Having said that, cite your sources on the follwing:
"You mean the film made by the ultra-dubious Dylan Avery who has backed away from the controlled demolition theory and now believes they may have been wrong about WTC 7?
Why is it that the people who peddle those theories never keep up with the current events of their own movement?
Just a random thought."
Also, explain to me how Osama Bin Laden is more than a theory. Check the FBI website: It says nothing about him being wanted for 9/11.
Seriously. What do you mean by "They may have been wrong about WTC 7?" What does that even mean?
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...but he isn't the worst.
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Do I know about Lincoln and the games he played with habeas corpus? Hell yeah I do! I've never agreed with what Lincoln did then, any more than I've agreed when ANY President abused the Constitution. And I'd like to share some more thoughts on what happened back in the day so far as the Civil War goes... but that would open up a whole 'nother can of worms for this thread. But since ya brought it up: no, I've never approved of what Lincoln did either, no matter how "saintly" his reputation.
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May 09, 2008 12:48:39 AM CDT
Antonius,in all fairness the republicans have been blaming
by iron manga
Bill Clinton for everything from the economy to 9/11. Let's not throw rocks around glass houses. And wishing death on Harry? if you don't like the site, try Superherohype for your movie news.
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How hard is it to take that in. Seriously ?
The Strategy you have outlined is just weak and counterproductive. That is why they haven't done it. Not because they secretly think the War is popular and Public Opinion is lying about it.
You make Bizzarre assumptions at every turn. It's clearly not "taking political advantage of an unpopular war" because it's just a terrible strategy. Repeating McCains statement of a 100 year Iraq occupation every chance they get is self evidently "taking advantage of an unpopular war" and solid proof the dems KNOW Iraq is very unpopular.
Simply saying "taking political advantage" doesn't make your peculiar and feeble strategy any good or true and it certainly doesn't make the war popular. It's only what YOU believe they should do and for whatever strange reason you think it's a Brilliant strategy they MUST follow.
It's childishly poor tactics because it would play straight into the hands of anyone wishing to paint the Dems as unpatriotic by simply saying they aren't willing to fund the Troops in a time of War. Any half serious Political operative could see that coming a mile away.
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Shoveling the same old bullshit. Please, put on your shit-kickers.
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Just imagine a situation where after four years of treacly American apologism and talks with Syria and Iran the economy is worse then Bush left it, gas is $6.50 a gallon and we get hit again by a major terrorist attack. I realize that intellectually dealing with the serious problems we face as a country is terrifying, and that it's so much easier to join the crowd and blame everything on a convenient political totem of loathing, but eventually people are going to have to come to terms with reality.
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Your accusing people of wrongly blaming Bush but.. Obama's not president yet and already you're blaming him for some hypothetical future terrorist attack and economic meltdown. Nice going hypocrite.
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You mean freeing a people from a cruel dictator who filled mass graves. Answer that simple question mr. pacificst, was it wrong to free the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein, do those people deserve freedom? If we succeed in Iraq, will the chances of stabilizing the Middle East be better or worse? President Bush has actually strengthened our position in the world, and it has more to do with respect, and less about being liked. President Bush has helped many other countries under the threat of Islamic terrorists become safer since 9/11, pursuing his policy that no terrorist be given safe haven in any country. Again, its not what the intellectual elitists, the UN bureacrats, the liberal international press and entertainment industries think of our country, but the common man; like the common man in Iraq who now doesn't have to worry about his daughter being randomly snatched to be raped, torutured, and abused. The common man in Iran, who sees that perhaps America really does stand for freedom not allowing a dictator like Saddam to endure, and will now be more likely to stand up to their own dictatorial regime. As one of President Bush's 'cronies' as the head fat slob puts it, Secretary Rice explains, the way to gain credibility is to be consistent in our policies based on the philosophy that all people deserve and have the right to be free.
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Seriously - the morbidly obese should check out the glass walls of their house before they chuck those stones
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Looks like antonius been drinking the White House Kool-Aid.
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May 09, 2008 1:04:53 AM CDT
Prez Gore would have mandated nano-synthesized bio-planktoline
by darth_inedible
Magic liberal power to the rescue. Jesus H. Christ what would they do without Republicans to blame their failure to produce workable solutions to real problems or even a single new idea in the past 60 years? The great thing is that even when they fall on their faces for the 10001st time they can just point to the few spindly, emaciated Republicans left standing in Congress and blame their evil mind rays for contaminating their magical powers of goodness and hope.
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"it's so much easier to join the crowd and blame everything on a convenient political totem of loathing" nicely describes your last post. Good going hypocrite.
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who would NOT be bashing Gore if he was the President right now. LOL
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Republicans, or i should say conservatives, blame Clinton for policies that involve the government more in our econmoy and private life, such as raising taxes, forcing us to live 'green'. As far as 9/11 goes, national security is one aspect you can put direct blame on our government being a clear duty of the government. But the government's duty is not to control the economy. The idea of tax cuts is to allow the private sector to grow, and leave government out as much as possible. Yet, democrats like Clinton love taxes. Obama doesn't even want to provide temportary tax relief on gas. Aside from the real issues, where does Harry get off calling the President a scary cretin? In addition to being completely wrong in his political analysis, not even that justifies such an insult. Good or bad at the job itself, he is a man of good character and faith, who stands for what he believes, and he actually leads, not base his decision on the latest polls. Go ahead and make an idiotic political analysis but don't insult his character without good reason. For the record, i'm not the one who wished death on Harry, I wouldn't wish that on anyone. What I do wish is that Harry would go on that tv show The Biggest Loser, so we could all laugh at him as he sobs about how tough it is not to eat donuts after the effort of pushing the buttons on the treadmill, and the in the next episode he cries shirtless on the scale and quits for medical reasons as his excuse being the model for the photo they put right next to the word FAT in the dictionary.(syn. Lardass)
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Both Colin Powell, US Secretary of State, and Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's closest adviser, made clear before September 11 2001 that Saddam Hussein was no threat - to America, Europe or the Middle East.
In Cairo, on February 24 2001, Powell said: "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."
This is the very opposite of what Bush and Blair said in public.
Powell even boasted that it was the US policy of "containment" that had effectively disarmed the Iraqi dictator - again the very opposite of what Blair said time and again. On May 15 2001, Powell went further and said that Saddam Hussein had not been able to "build his military back up or to develop weapons of mass destruction" for "the last 10 years". America, he said, had been successful in keeping him "in a box".
Two months later, Condoleezza Rice also described a weak, divided and militarily defenceless Iraq. "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country," she said. "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
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all setting himself above the law he is signing and the total of which nearly double the total of all signing statements from all previous presidents. Illegal war, no stepping in to stop unjustified gas price hikes, not taking care of the men sent on quadruple tours of duty, printing money rather than earning it, borrowing trillions of dollars daily from a nation of the greatest abusers of human rights.....he isn't the only problem, the nation and it's leaders are just as guilty for allowing it to continue.
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since Kool-aid himself has decided to bash the President, and blame him for all the problems in the universe....we must stop global warming! while we're at it, let's stop all deadly cyclones and hurricanes, let's end all bad weather, and just make it rain when we need it. If Bush can't accomplish this, he's a fascist.
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"But the government's duty is not to control the economy. ".. tell that to Bear Sterns who got bailed out. Or to the Federal Reserve for cutting interest rates to spur the economy. ... "Obama doesn't even want to provide temportary tax relief on gas. ".. the tax relief woulda been about $80 for the household. That's not a real solution to the problem when gas price increases are higher then the relief. Stop drinking so much Kool-Aid.
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You hate bush because hes a good man who tries to do the right thing. Its your existence you really hate from abortions to euthenasia you enjoy causing misery. everything you touch goes wrong and youclaim your intentions were right but the ends came out wrong when in reality ends are always the result of intentions.
You complain about high gas prices and blame the oil companys when its your own fault prices are so high since you refuse to let oil be produced from our own fields along California Florida and Anwar on top of that you say no to nuclear power when both could be gotten safely and easily with no harm to this planet. The economy you kill by lieing and saying its bad when there was a 3% growth rate for most of the last 8 years till you regained the Congress in 2006. After which it started going bad. and the war in Iraq was legitiamte Saddam could of avoided it by coming clean to begin with instead of playing games. And when the muslims say the intend to kill you you blame Bush when in truth your really complaining that hes in their way down deep in your souls you know the earth rejects you and you beliefs and yet you misread this to be that humans are the problem when its just you liberal leftists that are. Youpretend that Nautzism is a right instead of left system when the truth is its National socialism as if your beliefs.If you really loved the earth youd find a way to leave it and let the decent people have it. even if that meant you all take your own lives since in the end thats what you really want even though you dont admit it to yourselves you also believe in Global warming and that its mans fault for existing when the weather is supposed to change over time as it always does so in closing follow the logical conclusion of your beliefs and give up your pathetic lives -
they were wrong before 9/11, President Bush's father was wrong for allowing Saddam to stay in power, so was Clinton, and the current administration was wrong to continue that policy, so the point is, learn from history. They learned from 9/11, President Bush himself acknowledged that his father was wrong for not finishing the job back in the first gulf war when the people of Kuwait were freed, but the people of Iraq remained oppressed. Rice has made the point recently this is a new direction, to be more consistent in supporting the freedom of all people.
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Have you been sneaking Antonius's Kool-Aid? Even Newt Gringrich is on tv with Nancy Pelosi talking about climate change. Welcome to 2008, time to play catch up. And way to go with the Nazi comparison.. that basically is the death knell of any debate. Time to move on to Indy..
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than the kool aid drinking line, kool aid is a fat red idiot who runs this site, i want nothing to do with the drink. Simple question, why would Obama, typical liberal, be against giving $80 back to the household, instead of giving it to a federal government who wastes it on some delusion that we can control mother nature? $80 is better off in the private sector than in the government's hands, and every dollar helps. that goes for any tax, i would trust a family trying to feed their kids with that $80 more than i would the federal government. The government of course has a role in the economy but not a primary role, we are not a communist or socialist country, at least not yet.
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That $80 is paying for this war you're supporting, or who do you think is paying for it? Exxon?.. As for you last post, Cheney was against a full scale invasion of Iraq back in the first gulf war when he was Defense Secy. Not until he could profit through Halliburton was he now in support of it. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
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Double posts, Strabbonehead.
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I'll start a rightwing geek site you can all go to. I love profiting off the ignorant.
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May 09, 2008 1:51:15 AM CDT
I dont give a shit what Newt Gingrich and Pelosi is 'talking abo
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You just make my point that you place so much importance on it. Who gives a fuck you green kool aid smoothie drinker. Gingrich is a useless former member of congress and Pelosi is a completely irrelevant current member of congress who might as well be computers that make decisions based on what the insane democratic base texts their votes in. These aren't real leaders. climate change! It's sad and funny at the same time. Please define it Iron Manga, define climate change. Yes the weather changes, so what? That doesn't mean we can control it, for better or for worse. But its the liberal version of fundamentalist religion and you have your own version of the apocalypse, and for all who don't believe and talk about 'climate change' we'll all be left behind. Manga, you're the biggest kool-aid drinker of them all.
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or is it? The democrats keep refusing to fund the troops for a war that is keeping us safe. That is one place our tax money should be going, to help the troops in the war that is keeping us safe here it home. Enjoy your green shit flavored kool-aid smoothie Iron Manga. BTW, Iron Man was overhyped.
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Face it. Get over it. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.
The Bush Administration with Condaleezza and Powell considered Saddam no threat at all. And since he also had nothing to do with Al Qaeda Saddam himself was a poorly judged diversion from getting the real culprit. Or have you forgotten Osama Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 and is still at large in the NorthWest Frontiers of Pakistan ?
Osama Bin Laden didn't change the threat assessment for Iraq & Saddam because the terrorist atrocity used no weapons of mass destruction and had nothing to do with Saddam.
That dog just won't hunt anymore. Afghanistan is NOT Iraq. Saddam is NOT Bin Laden
And what are these "freedoms" you speak so glibly of in Iraq ?
You appeat to be woefully uninformed about what is actually occuring on the ground there. The Shia & Sunni Militias and Death Squads have set up DeFacto Sharia Law as harsh as any in Saudi Arabia and harsher than any Secular Rule.
Women are terrified to go out of thier homes and the Sunni & Shia enclaves are riven with gang warfare and the religious dictats of the clerics.
The Politicians of the Governing Council in the Green Zone are now little more than an irrelevance as the Tribal Leaders on the ground enact Policy (Policy being Territory grabs) via gunpoint.
The Mahdi Army openly defies President Talibani whose attempt to disarm Muqtada al Sadr's Mahdi insurgents and Death Squads was a hopeless failure that ended with him calling in American troops to help his remaining Government troops back to their base.
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That's what was on the banners hanging from the Eiffel Tower, 2 days after 9/11. Yeah, most of the world did actually like us at one point.
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Voted for Beer and BBQ in 2000 because they want to delude themselves they can be president.
Ego maniacs who can't handle the idea of someone smarter then them is president.
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It just seems fitting,
Immature delusional president..
Immature delusional director..
Both make inappropriate jokes about 9-11 to hide there incompetence that no one finds funny.
Both have about 8 months left in there career.
Both appreciate vampires, death, destruction, and explosions.
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When are we going to get the Iraqi's oil?
Yeah I remember the good old days of Clinton. The Days of Ruby Ridge and Waco. The wonderful way we all lost our pensions and life savings in the Dot.Com scams. Sandy Berger stealing 911 documents, getting convicted and now is working for Hillary? In the 60's Sandy Berger would of been killed for stealing secrets from the national archives. Bush cut Sandy Bergers punishment WTF? Bush helping a Democrat stay in the Government and now Berger is back working with the Clintons. Bill Bombing the Serbs for 30 days using the UN and our AF planes to help the Muslims without congress permission. Black Hawk Down, another Clinton winner. Baby Milk Factory? Troops are still in Kosovo and they are still fighting and killing. Africa was in worst shape due to 90's politics. Clinton sold missile technology to China then after leaving office gets $20 million for a speaking tour over there? Now they can hit the US with a nuke.Was that worth $20 million? Al Gore sold off our WW1 fuel oil emergency supply (would be nice to have that now) to a company his father was a major stock holder in ( Occidental Coal for pennies on the dollar. We now buy back that same oil at $100 more than he sold it for and it was ours, the US peoples oil. Sold it to his dad for cheap( , Gores family fortune was made in Coal but today now makes $100 million selling carbon credits , a scam that lets polluter's pollute by using a non polluter's "Carbon Credit" a "credit" that the UN made up. If I'm a owner of a dirty power plant and I need to cut my polluting by 10% I can PAY Al Gore money and he will find a third world country with 10% Carbon Credit for sale that I can buy and cut my footprint on paper without lifting a finger. I'm not making this up . the EU put out a report this year that Carbon Credits added to green house gas because it was cheaper to just buy credits than fix the real emission issues) ... Harry you can hate on Bush but don't be blinded by what our side does to. The Dems promised to cut Gas prices and bring the troops home if we voted them back into power. All they did was line up and take the biggest % of tax dollars from the War chest. The Top Dem. politicians in California have Husband who now have defense contracts worth billions. Billions! With all that money and power do you really think things will change much? Gas is high in the USA because we will not drill or refine any extra oil. We are sitting on it . Why not use it? Not sure what Obama would do but we know what Hillary would and even though I voted for Bill twice I regret it today and would never vote for another Clinton. -
americans are getting dumber by the minute and we deserve the leaders we end up with - too many of us dont care and dont vote - and the rest care for the wrong shit and vote for the wrong people - "id like to have a beer with that guy" - when did the majority of this country's population become completely retarded? - what kills me is that there are still people defending and praising bush - unbelievable - i hope stone rips bush apart with this movie - even if it aint a great movie - bush deserves the harshest pointed criticism anyone with any sense can throw at him... and then some
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if you think the war in iraq is keeping us (americans) safe then you are too stupid to live - you and your ilk need to be spanked and sent to bed hungry - too many people think like you and keep guys like bush in power - and the rest of us suffer for it - he is a fear monger, and you supply him with the fear - its your fear that keeps him in power and filthy rich - he loves you for it - your life is worthless in his eyes, but your fear and support for him and his "ideas" is invaluable - bush, his cabinet and all of his power players couldnt give 2 shits for "the troops" - the troops (us, americans) are just food for the machine - they feed soldiers to that sausage grinder with out a care in the world - wake up - visit any veterans hospital for the proof - bush is an oil man, and he got what he wanted - a fucked up world that is keeping him and his buddies rich
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He'll be remembered as another President that's being addled with Alzheimers. He has an astonishingly vacant look about him now; more so than the early years of his office. I f those hanging chads back in 2000 had been seen differently America wouldn't be in the economic and moral mess it appears to be in now. Just an observation from accross the pond but it seems to me that Democrats come in and create a good economy, the voters get complacent, vote in Republicans who start wars and ruin everything. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like.
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Y'all who're bitching about the price of your petrol, it's now £5 or, if you prefer, $10 a gal here...
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That's why I come to this site. If you intend to make this "Ain't It Political News," be my guest. I come here to ESCAPE politics and to bask in the glow of mediocre reviews. Instead, Harry mouths off about stuff he hasn't the slightest clue about, using his soapbox to spew his political opinion.
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France Electing Sarkozy had nothing at all to do with America. They just took his like for bush as a necessary evil in comparison to Royale.
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Fascist= RIGHT WING totalitarian government. This is not hard.
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I've seen 2 different pro-bush posters use the recent European Elections as support. The British Elections last week had absolutely nothing to do with Bush. The kicking that the current group of fucks got was down to corruption, Iraq, abolition of tax relief, crashing economy (including the collapse of a bank that is now been propped up by the tax payer- and can be directly linked to the sub-prime fiasco (thanks George)), that we were disenfranchised when Blair resigned, and most importantly the fat useless cocksuckers have been in power for too long. France was similar. Just a correction, please carry on
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Why stop at a city ?
It's surely clear that terrurist evildoers are going to place an Iranian (D.Y.E.)* Nuke into the San Andreas fault causing Califoria and most of the estern Seaboard to slide beneath the waves. *(Doesn't Yet Exist)
Where will yew libs be when a red underwear garbed flying volunteer is required to orbit around the earth backwards to turn back time and save the world from these evildoers ? Nowhere that's where!
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Fascism is a right wing philosophy, albeit an extreme one. One of the defining characteristics of fascism is the suppression of liberal, especially communist ideals and organisations. Mussolini himself (the man that coined the term): "Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism". Now, can we please retire this nonsense about fascism being a left wing philosophy. Although I will grant you that Fascism and Communism share many features (the extremes appear closer than the middle), the term liberal Fascist is a complete oxymoron- and an utter fabrication by the right wing press. Unfortuantely, it was a necessary creation as the term "Commie" has been systematically devalued through overapplication to anyone on the left. Really, the term Commie should be rehabilitated, but it is too late. Here endeth the lesson.
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shite, I forgot to say that although what you have quoted as current policy is indeed totalitarian I would argue that it is communist not fascist. I'm not saying either is not despicable, but this ludicrous crap you are spouting would make Hitler, Franco, Pinochet, Mussolini et al left wing dictators. A concept that is laughable and misinformed.
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Continue voting Obama over Hillary. That way when it comes time to the national vote, he will lose to McCain as predicted and shown in polls... and whammo McCain continues Bush politics.
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Canadians were sure Lyin' Brian Mulroney was the worst Prime Minister ever. And he was. Until the next lot.
As for Shrub, what does it say about the American people that they didn't just elect him (maybe, unless one buys into his having stolen the first election) once - anyone can make a mistake - but then re-elected him for a second term?!? -
Even if he wins the presidency, the establishment Bush leaves in place is going to manipulate him and scare the shit out of him, and force him to wind up doing idiotic shit thinking it's the only way.That might even be what happened to Bush. The man is incapable of orchestrating such crap by himself, we know that much.
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...but let's not forget Dick Cheney and the Neoconservative cabal responsible for the carnage. Are you well aware that GW Bush isn't the only one to blame? Cheney is considerably more powerful behind the scenes as a veep.
If USA dares to attack Iran, it's gonna be a clusterfuck. A major FUBAR.Fuck anyone who disagree with you. They're blind sheeple. It's not politics as usual, the policies have put USA in danger more than ever with integrity and national security compromised thanks to the selfish, vain fucks running the US government like tinbot despot morons. -
This is Harry's house, he's allowed to server whatever he feels like, you don't like the dish? DON'T FUCKING EAT IT.Oh, and GW sucks shit, don't give me that Africa shit. Like John Oliver said on The Daily Show, the fact that he's doing good in Africa shows he's capable of it, that means he's not totally incompetent; he just decided to play incompetent for his first 6.5 years.
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...is correct on every point in this TB, but perhaps mostly when he says "this is not hard."
There are certainly a few misguided and/or ignorant people who actually buy the "fascists are leftists!" deal, but the most vocal proponents of this position are anything but misguided or ignorant. What's at work here is much more sinister than that. What these people want is to equate any movement to the right along the political scale as a move towards more freedom, since there is "no such thing" as right-wing totalitarianism. When the idea of right-wing dictatorship is banished, there is literally no limit to how far to the right you could go since the right direction is also the "right" direction. The opposite then also holds true; that any move to the left along the political scale, no matter how small, is a move towards totalitarianism or "fascism", as they would have you believe. It's quite insidious, really. -
Nothing would make me more happy than another American civil war along ideological lines. I think its about time. The only way to solve the differences we have now is to split the country.
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...is a right instead of left system when the truth is its National socialism as if your beliefs"
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You fuckers would like that shit, wouldn't you? Iron Man was pretty good at killing those cave dwellers and cleaning up the mess in Afghanistan, didn't he? Fuck NATO, Iron Man's on the job!
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...why are Congress' approval ratings lower than his? Grow up, grow a pair, and realize that ALL politicians, from the neocons to the radical libs, are after one thing and one thing only--sustained power for themselves and their cronies. It's all about holding office, not serving the people any more. And in that light, I actually think Bush is different. I think he honestly believes what he did was the right thing for America. He was wrong, but I think he honestly believes that. So call him naive, call him stupid, but to say he is responsible for the problems America is having right now is more naive and stupid than even that. Our problems are rooted in a corrupt political establishment that existed before Dubya, and will continue after Dubya. Until we have the guts to throw out those who perpetuate this atrocity, nothing will change. When Bush leaves office we will still have a mess in Washington. Not one of his creation, but ours.
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heh, and what is Nautzism anyway? My best guess is that it is a right-fin totalitarian underwater state. Vicious SS Sharks keep the other fish in line, and many a harmless crustacean has gone to the "Death Pots"
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on a more serious point than that last flippant post: I agree with you about the reason for the seismic shift in the meaning of the term, but what I find especially worrying is the amount of TB folk that agree with it- and spout the line that Nazism/ Fascism is left wing. Obviously, AnimalStructure and his equally vile cronies have underdeveloped brains so it is not surprising, but there is an element of TB'er that is swallowing this shit hook, line and sinker. Examples include 900Lb Gorilla, Nighthawke, Morbidobesity, Anchorite and countless others. Some of these are, although pygmyish in their beliefs, are more than capable of rational analysis. It is a frightening prospect that usually intelligent people are potentially walking into tyranny because they are simply swallowing an incredibly obvious piece of spin. I blame hippies for this- if they hadn't been so useless forcing the overuse of the term "Communist" then the right would never be able to get away with it. Who started this crap, anyway? the first time I'd ever heard it was on these boards.
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is that those allegedly on the left have moved a long way to the right in order to cement votes. In this country, an allegedly socialist government has so far abolished free education, attempted to get rid of tax relief for the very poor, gone to war, completely abused our civil rights, demanded the onset of ID cards, and countless other non-liberal/ socialist measures. I'm sure the democrats are the same in America.If the left and the right merge into one appaling centrist mess, then extremism will become more popular due to frustration. It's a lesson from history, and all too predictably inevitable.
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To all you right wing George W. Bush supporting Americans. Fuck off. He is an incompetent, oil mad, war hungry fascist. I'm from England, and about 90% of us hate the shitty president. I don't care who wins the Democratic vote (probably Obama) but hope it's not the ageing Republican McCain.
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American Dream and all that. I was born under light communism in Hungary. Movies, books, comics about the American frontier, spirit, "teenagers forever" were genuinely inspiring, especially when in Hungary we had (and still have) the "Be glad you're still alive" mentality. So yeah, my opinion for example wasn't exactly low of the USA. But W actually made me hate you guys a little (I had a friend from Iraq in High School, who's family you massacred and a mate in the British army who told me horror stories about trigger happy American troops. No fun.) It's still my dream somewhat, It always will be. But now, I'm leaving for a job in Dubai next month. They welcome every European in the ad industry, people can start their lives again in hopes of a higher standard of living. In fucking Dubai. American dream huh?
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Mission Accomplished...
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Where do you live? I seem to remember you been a Muslim.
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This was a very bizarre TB - I mean the right wing nutters came out in droves. It lead me to suspect that they were either the same few people with multiple ID's, or some right wing group determined to spam up the boards with nonsense.
To answer your question about the fascism revisionists, they are merely regurgitating talking points made by the likes of Jonah Goldberg and others. He is the neocon author of Liberal Fascism. He is a radio and TV commentator, who is intent on rebranding terms that have always been associated with the extreme right wing, onto the left wing, and he is making progress - though not among serious scholars. -
Yeah I am a Muslim. I reside in Canada. I bring up the flight suit thingee because I remember that a company release a Bush doll with him dressed up as Maverick...
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Definitive proof that "Liberal Fascism" should be retired as a term- straight from the horse's (arse) mouth comes: "To sort of start the story, the reason why we see fascism as a thing of the right is because fascism was originally a form of right-wing socialism. Mussolini was born a socialist, he died a socialist, he never abandoned his love of socialism, he was one of the most important socialist intellectuals in Europe and was one of the most important socialist activists in Italy, and the only reason he got dubbed a fascist and therefore a right-winger is because he supported World War I. " Absolutely untrue on every level. The fact that such a historical fallacy is being swallowed wholesale, should be enough to discredit the whole argument. Especially laughable- 1)"fascism was originally a form of right-wing socialism." No it wasn't 2)Mussolini died a socialist- hugely wrong. 3)"Mussolini....was one of the most important socialist intellectuals in Europe". Hysterical. 4)"only reason he got dubbed a fascist and therefore a right-winger is because he supported World War I." Where did he get that from? I am astounded that anyone with even the slightest knowledge of History could swallow this bile. It's little more than fallacious propaganda horseshit.
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For all those who claim that people who call Bush "the worst US president in history" not being historically literate enough to make the call. Well then lets see what actual historians have to say - http://hnn.us/articles/4891 6.html
"98.2 percent assessed the presidency of Mr. Bush to be a failure while 1.8 percent classified it as a success."
"Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the current presidency is the worst in the nation’s history"
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thought so.
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May 09, 2008 8:26:08 AM CDT
Jarv, Mussolini takes a place next to the other great 20th centu
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like Derrida, Lecan, Foucault. Mussolini was truly an intellectual titan.... ;)
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Goldberg is one of the pseudo intellectuals that can make a persuasive argument - if you are weak minded enough, and too lazy to do your own research, to swallow it.
Unfortunately, there are so many who do just that.
There was a nutter on here named DirkBelig, who touted Douglas Feith as his neocon hero. The same Feith who resigned in disgrace and was investigated for manufacturing evidence that helped spur the Iraq war - and the truly sad thing is that finding out about Feith is so easy. I posted a link and the contents that destroyed that argument, and DirkBelig never showed his face again. But some people can be lazy, or just plain stupid. -
how many people swallow this bullshit. That quote was one I got straight from an interview he gave to promote his bog-roll worthy tome. The interview is even funnier, because he started it with "the book is historical revisionism". You don't say. Darfur, I've always thought of Mussolini as the Italian Kant, so I'm glad to find out that he should be up there with Wittgenstein and the rest of them. What a load of horseshit.
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If you want a word/ phrase I suggest Marxist. It's not been used in ages and fully fits what you are aiming for.
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is that he starts with a hypothesis- Fascism= Left Wing- and persuasively bends known historical fact, no matter how contradictory, to this viewpoint. And in doing so he ignores everything that contradicts his stance. He won't abandon the hypothesis, when he clearly should.
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...who more or less equated liberals with Hitler because he was a vegetarian?
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...not LooneyBalls
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Yes. He called me a nazi in the speed racer post as well.
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Is why I truly detest revisionism in any form. It makes a mockery of history, for purely a political or personal gain. I realize history is mostly written by the winners -hagiography is alive and well. I also realize the true value of getting different perspectives - such as the Russian perspective on WWII. In Short, the Russians have a legitimate gripe against the portrayal of how the war was won -not on Normandy's beach, but on the Eastern front were more people fought and died than in all of the other theatres combined. And most of those were Russian and German soliders. The war would have been very different of not for the Russians. But in the west, we never really hear about that. That type of perspective is welcome, but re-writing history to serve a political or personal purpose, is heinous.
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The south is a steaming pile of stupidity. Lincoln should have let them go in the 1860s. Without the North's industry, innovation, and liberal culture, the entire South would have rotted away and fell into the ocean by now. I'm sick and tired of the shitkicker vote fucking up this country.
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That's an Urban myth- and he had 2 testicles not one. I think Goebbels might have been though. A vegetarian that is, not monoballed. The song says "Goebbels has no balls at all"On revisionism, yes history does often need revising, but only to remove the subjectivity form it. Not to add your own spin. It's heinous and gives some of these low-lifes the chance they've been waiting for.
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had to have been Cygnus. The USS moniker has been AWOL since getting curbstomped by Mori a few weeks back but no way could that guy stay away from a political TB.
Node - you're welcome and thanks too. You da man when it comes to these talkbacks. As is Toadkillerdog.
Douglas Feith wrote a book? The same guy working the Office of Special Plans to manipulate data to support the Iraq invasion? The guy who provided intel to AIPAC and Israel? Looks like a bunch of trees died in vain for those books.
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I read some of your responses above and was impressed. When you choose to do so, you have great insight and intelligence - which is why I called you to task for playing the lowest common denominator card a few days ago. But I do realize that this is talkback, and no sense in getting holier-than-thou, because I damn sure aint holier than any! Just keep up the good fight!
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I knew you guys would come through for me!!! I leave the TB yesterday with a tiny lament to the repugnant civility of this TB and what do I find this morning? BATTLE ROYALE!!! (verbally anyway) You guys always bring me the best violence!!! Hugs and kisses!!! Hi-fives all around!!! I didn't see if this is the top posted TB or not and I certainly haven't read each and every post (like any good egoist, I scanned for my tag first!) but this is delicious!!!! To me this is like those media events prior to a (hopefully) good boxing match. You know, where De La Hoya and Mosely are standing nose to nose with barely contained yet somewhat contrived fury. It's a testament to the Martin Luther technique of bashing the head of those with inane and purely dumbass opinions. I salute each and every one of you...especially those who were so ready to pounce that they miss thinly veiled and relatively crappy sarcasm.Of course, they're actually correct. I truly believe without question that if not for Bush we'd all be speaking Muslim in this TB. Oliver Stone is an operative of the USSR and since the fall he's been out of work in his quest to destroy America. And Jimmy Carter wasn't just the worst president ever. I have proof that he's actually the anti-Christ (or was anyway). Peanut farmer? FOOLS!!! It's a cover for acts so horribly vile you'd shit your pants with fear (or glee if you also worship Satan like any good liberal would). Know who else Bush has saved you from? Immigrants!! That's right all you haters! I know the right betrayed Bush on this by not agreeing with him that Immigrants are out to kill every non-immigrant on the Earth. You think I'm making this up? Being sarcastic? Wait and see when there's a platoon of immigrants outside of your front door with AR-15's, bazookas, grenades and machetes. Hope you don't also hate Blackwater cause they're the ones who will save your leftwing ass from the onslaught of the imminent immigrant apocalypse.
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BSB, Node, Jarv..... I'm on you guy's side all the way in this..........I find it fascinating to watch the chest-beating of rivetheads like Vain.........."I Appoint Myself DEFENDER OF MY FELLOW RIVETHEAD'S HONOR!!!", and he relentlessly pursues his Appointment With Destiny.....until he actually has to stand and deliver. Shit. Even a REAL terrorist puts it on the line sooner or later.
Guys like Vain.......It's Funny. When a brown-skinned Furrigner stalks, plans, and eventually physically attacks an innocent civilian in the name of his own Holy Code, he's a Terrorist - but when Vain does the same thing, he's a Fuckin' Heeeero. And he will never see that for what it is...... -
Quote: "...it's not like they ever get to hear that kind of thing in the big scary real world."You know this how exactly? Or, are you deflecting your own reality onto them in the hopes of scoring some cheap TB point? It's nice you have AICN, too.
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Yeah, that was definitely AnimalBraneBalls who tried that whole Hitler=Liberals thing. He's also taken to calling us "American hating Nazi scum" because we take him to task for his rather inhuman (and wildly circular) views. As if his love of MIAMI VICE isn't enough. Heh.
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I love Bush - chicks bush, that is but W has made his mistakes but defending the country isnt one of them. The day the UN and the rest of the world tells America how to defend itself is the day America is no more - could be Jan 20th, 2009 if Obama or Lady Sell Out takes the oath.
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Are you fucking kidding? Have you even tried French dressing? Taste like unicorn cum. Not that's I've ever blown a unicorn or anything. All France has ever done is give us shit....attack our submarines during WWII, tax the fuck out of us for their cheese and wine. And how fucking poisonous are French fries? Saturated fat induced heart attack anyone?
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People who post soundly reasoned arguments -whether I agree with the argument or not, get the respect due to them, from me at least. If you had made a sound and reasoned argument, instead of just posting rhetorical questions and ducking from answering a question, even when repeatedly asked - see the G100 questions to you above, then I would have given you the 'atta boy Morbid' that you seem to crave.'
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That's funny, because I've never once talked about this in the real world. Possibly because I don't know anyone stupid enough to propagate the Liberal Fascist nonsense that you have latched on to. Thanks for playing.
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Doesn't have friends. He only has "useful" uniformed minions, or nazi scum that are out to get him
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Glad to see you back fighting the good fight against MO. And Jarv, I stand corrected, AnimalBraneBalls has no friends.
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Well, since you declared the talkback over, I guess you were just conceding defeat.
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Seriously...the French didn't even build the Statue of Liberty. It was made in Detroit by the Kiwanis Club. The French were taxing the shit out of us for tea, powdered wigs, and French Fries but you say they helped us out in the Revolution? Which one? Little Red Corvette Prince and the Revolution? The French are just 'French-Fries dipped in French dressing' eating pacifists who hate us for our freedoms. I've been to France too...all they wanted to do was pinch my ass or kick it the whole time. Weirdest experience of my life. And what the hell is up with those French McDonald's? What...a god damn good ole American qtr pounder too good for you?
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But it was too easy, because I knew you couldn't resist. So, I would like to point out the irony of your last post. Having just said "proudly proclaim myself to be the winner of a debate here...or, even lamer, if I ever write a post marveling at how I've so thoroughly pwned somebody"- and what did you just send to MNG?
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ha. unjustified as it may be, i don't for a second doubt that Dubya thought Iraq had WMDs. they probably didn't. but everyone thought they were hiding something. remember where we were. right after 9/11, and here's Sadam acting all sketchy. what are you gonna do? this is the guy that both Dubya's daddy and Clinton had to deal with. the guys going into office knowing he's going to have to deal with him too. after 9/11, the gloves were off. we were a pissed off country. i think Dubya had good intentions. and i know all about the kind of roads good intentions pave. but do you seriously hate a guy because he made a bad decision? because he did what he thought was best for our country? do you buy the whole "this war was for oil" or "now Bush is making a killing at the gas pump" arguments. he has nothing to do with the gas prices. come on, guys. now i know the iraq thing should have been handled differently. no doubt about it. it went nothing like they intended it to go. they thought if they got rid of Sadam, that'd be it. enter "mission accomplish" banner. they thought that was it. they thought this would be cake. but cake it was not. now, we've f**ked up their country. and what are we going to do? just walk out? "sorry for the mix up guys! i'm out!" that's crazy selfish talk. if we are going to come out of this with honor we have to stay until the end, admit we messed up, and get our sh*t together. one last thought. i'm so sick of hearing people talk like Dubya planned all this crap. you know, that "loose change" sh*t, like he's emperor palpatine or something, and he had all of this planned from the beginning. But seriously guys. have you heard the guy talk? he can barely make a coherent point. how could he con america into a war we didn't want? he couldn't. he wouldn't. i hope the oliver stone movie paints him as an idiot, cause he is. but he's an idiot with good intentions. if we're sticking with the starwars reference, he's jar jar binks. even though jar jar sold out the republic, evil he ain't. he's just annoying and stupid.
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Take the idea that the USA's status has declined in the world, for example. Pro-American leaders have been elected in Germany, Italy, England, Canada and France and they were not secretly pro-American. They ran on pro-Amercian platforms.
Similarly, every single "point" that Harry and the sophisticated political thinkers who are aligned with his positions make can be refuted with simple facts. But facts don't matter to Harry any more than light matters to the blind. -
are you English?
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We're pumping millions of barrels of their oil every day. The American taxpayer is paying for security. The Iraqi people are getting nothing out of it. And who ever said, just because we got their oil, that they were going to sell it to America cheap. The US government is OWNED by the oil companies.
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"Please quote anything I've said that contradicts myself in the past few postings. Or is this just another "childish" post to get a response from me? Mr. Nice Gaius, please note Lost Jarv as a good example of a talkbacker who's simply desperate for attention." Contradicts the sentence I quoted both in spirit and fact- you put that up trying to show that you are winning with MNG, and now you've done it TWICE. I would like to note that you are a humourless specimen, entirely without a sense of irony.
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It's because their campaigns are financed by the same global corporations that run our government. Why shouldn't they be pro-American? They all work for the same guys. Unfortunately in many countries, the middle class hates immigrants even more than they hate the US.
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Blowing shit up is fun! DUH!!!!Haven't you guys ever had fireworks before? Melted a crayon for Christ's sake? Burning and exploding shit is like mad fun. Fire is the kewlest element EVER and using it to blow shit up and make loud noises is even better. BOOM! FIRE! BOOM!
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He did Born on the Fourth of July, JFK, and Nixon.
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They're the ones who enjoy the great benefits of our society, security, good food, the best medicine, art, travel, freedom, botox and a lot of them can live off their daddy's interest and still pass the fortune along to their heirs. Who do you want to take the money from, the poor? They don't have any. and the middle class is disappearing.
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Whoever gets elected is going to have to shovel monkey shit for his or her entire term. Presiding over recession; the 200 dollar barrel of oil and an unending war in the Middle East that will drain your economy dry.
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You said to MNG that he would have a point if you ever posted that you had won an argument or lamer that you pwnd someone- then in the very next post you put me up as an example of someone that does, completely missing the point that what you were posting in an attempt to win an argument on AICN. Then you replied to me in the same way, and now you've just done it again. 3 attempts to win an argument. You did not mention politics in the original post and this is the first time you've bought it up. Seeing as you are slumming it in the TB brawl, you really should drop the condescension because you come off as a self-important humourless prick. Anyway, it's Friday, the Sun's out so I'm off to the pub.
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I'm conservative. I do not like Bush, and I did not vote for him in either election. He has outspent the democrats under the guise that he's a fiscal conservative. The size of gov't under Bush has more than doubled because his spending is out of control. While he's a republican president, his administration has been, from strictly economic/fiscal view, pure Democrat Agenda. So a vote for Obama means a vote in favor of the past 8 years of fiscal mis-management and out-of-control federal spending. What we need is a president that is going to tell BOTH parties to go to hell. And McCain has done that several times. The guy is a reknown fiscal tightwad, and with the economy now replacing Iraq as Issue #1 for voters, anyone who spends 8 minutes looking at the proposed government programs of the 3 candidates has to like McCains 'im not raising taxes, Im slashing the spending' approach. Hillary and Obama both want to increase your taxes to pay for their programs. You will be taking home less money. Thats the bottom line.
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Very interesting that a conservative is actually backing McCain. I will make one point regarding taxes and slashing spending. If we stay in a war that has costs approaching one trillion dollars, how are we going to pay for it? McCain if elected, will not want to pull out of the war, but he promises not to raise taxes and slash spending - at the same time. While fighting a war.
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Now he's projecting his self defeatism on the Libs. Not even his rightwing cohorts buy into his 'there is no recession and the economy is just fine' line. Morbid therefore remains totally pointless, unless he sees fit to share his theory on how drilling at ANWR will solve the oil crisis issue. But knowing the ever dodging and weaving Morbid, I won't be holding my breath. Sidenote: A highpoint in this talkback was seeing Total Fucking Destruction and ChickenGeorgeVII share their political views. Group hug for all my peeps!
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And screw all the Democratic turncoats who are deserting Hilary. Don't they get it? The Republicans have voted in democratic primaries and they've even given money to Obama. Because they know that in November they can beat him.
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Node, give Morbid a hug
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Didn't Truman's poll numbers suck at the end of his term? And didn't contemporary historians rate him as the worst president ever?
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Jeez. Get a life.
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Well Harold, I usually ignore your whiney-ass politics personally but every now and then you piss me off so open wide...this is a blessed nation you are living in so stop crying and suck it up! I survived 8 years of the Clinton fiasco so you can make it through 8 years of this - in case you ever decide to breed one thing you should teach your sucklings is to respect whoever is in office! pray for them daily, ask God to bless them and to send wise council to them, this is the only hope we ever truly had and ever will have. Hope you don't mind me borrowing some of this platform stage that you've been so blessed to have in this great country of ours but I'm really tired of your Bush bashing...get over it already.
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Is everybody in? Is everybody havin fun? The beatings have only just begun!!!Hi-fives all around folks.We even have some new players in the ring and it looks like there's been an even trade on blows for a while now. I don't know about you guys but I'd like to see some more of the intra-party fighting too. McCain supporters versus the neo-cons. Obama supporters versus Clinton supporters. I don't think I've even seen the word "Wright" anywhere.What would truly be the best tho....would be some ardent flag lapel pin wearers pummeling ardent flag lapel pin non-wearers. Or maybe "true" Republicans beating the shit out of "Bush" Republicans. Perhaps DLC progressives versus the liberal populists? Shit...why not good ole fashion communism versus fascism?Hell, I'd have been happy with souless ahteists versus jesus crispies but here we get the whole ball game!Still....it isn't quite the same as an actual cage match is it....think the chain link surrounded basketball court in the shitty EfNY sequel...put all the forehead-vein-throbbing partisan followers in the mix...put a fucking destruction proof mic on a hill and watch the fun unfold. The prize for round one is 5 minutes of free ass kicking for the pundit of your choice: Ann Coulter or Michael Moore! Talk about fun time people! NOW!
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Read this you ignorant slut. $5 to fill up in Utah today where they have ~5000 vehicles on the road. 91 stations in Utah alone, and 22 along a nearly 500 miles of interstate.
http://tinyurl.com/5gmuuy
So again, why is this not being done? Oil man in the WH, oil man as VP!
If you are going to spout this right winged bullshit, please back it up with facts. We're coming, and if it takes knocking your ignorant stuck in the past jackasses out of the way to advance instead of just being converse to good ideas, we'll do it.
Progress, not regress.
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I give you your post from 5:45 yesterday ... "It's been a fine economy under Bush, and even the current much-hyped recession isn't fulfilling the doomsayer's fantasy. There simply isn't much recessing going on. " So much for making up quotes.
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but will Stone make a gutsy movie or a another pussy movie.
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Chuck Norris can speak braile.Chew on that fukerz!
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To be fair it's relative. The amount driving required in the UK vs. the USA is two completely different amounts. Most likely you can pop down to the market on foot. Here my closest market is 4-5 miles away. My job is 7 miles away. North America is spread out and sprawling. Where you guys build up and things are stacked upon each other.
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Are you kidding?! We're alive today because of da "w"?! WTF?!?!?! If anything, we're now less safe than we were before all this shit took place. We're hated all over the world now because of this facist's policies. We're not alive today because of bUSH. For god's sake, 911 happened on his watch with months & months of warning signs. C'mon you weak minded, cowardly twit, pull your head outta the sand & wake up.
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Are they making a munsters movie? Oh that's suppose to be George W. Bush now I got it.
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"The economy is fine. I never said the economy is fine. I stand by my quote that the economy is fine. My name is Morbid and I am a monkey."
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Dude...you totally rock! Seriously! I thought that gun wasn't even remotely loaded anymore but apparently there's still fire! Cheekago Bang bang! Hoo ahh!You are most definitely alive today because of Bush. Without Bush...none of us would be alive today. See? I'd be more descriptive but nobody wants to be shown how to make armpit farts...people just want to hear em and laugh like little girls on the prairie.
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So you're saying that Republicans have been voting for Obama because they think they can beat him. If thats the case, you should be happy because he WILL beat Hillary. So why are you upset then?
I'll tell you why - because you're full of shit, and you know that Republicans can't beat Obama, but they could beat Hillary because she's a polarizing figure, and even many Democrats hate her. Hillary supporters don't hate Obama, as you pointed out, many of them are abandoning her for him.
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I have been to the UK and unless you have been to America I don't think you quite understand what I am saying.
Population Density of UK: 246/sq. km
Population Density of USA: 31/sq. km
Just because some people in the UK don't live in London doesn't mean gas prices should be equal. Your country consumes much less gasoline per capita than ours does. You pay more per gallon but you use less over all. It evens out. You are not spending more on gasoline than we are...ON AVERAGE. -
It'll last until the oil fields play out and then the war will move on to Iran or wherever the oil remains. That is if China doesn't get all Iran's oil first.
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Immigrants.Discuss...
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Are you never going to enlighten us on how drilling in Alaska will alleviate gas prices? Maybe some displaced penguins (the non-magic ones)is worth getting gas back to $2 a gallon. I'd support it - you just need to sell me on it.
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with promises of rewards and the cash he's getting from the Republican party. But it's all meaningless because Hilary voters are going to switch to McCain.
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The liberals in this country are placing mind control devices in everything from lightbulbs to Flinstones vitamins. International terrorist organizations like the Red Cross (modeled after the Red Triangle gang in Batman Returns) and the Salvation Army (army?!?! may as well say Salvation Terrorists!!! are you blind?!) are continually subverting freedom seeking peoples all over the world. And you guys are arguing about gas prices? Obama just called hillary a money grubbing ape-whore on Fox and we're talking about displaced penguins? Hillary just shot McCain's wife and we're worried about nuclear subs near Iran? Maybe they're loaded with foodstuffs! Ever thing of that? Do you know how much food and pepsi you can fit in a nuclear submarine? TONS & TONS! So unless you can read minds from millions of miles away...stop pretending that you're Nostradamus ok? Thanks! Thos subs are carrying food and blankets for the long winter nights. Hot dogs and cookies dude! WTF?!
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And why should I care? I am just gonna start learning Chinese so I can get ahead of the game. Also politics are dumb to talk about because McCain is going to win, and your are way to optomistic to think otherwise. So i got a better topic. Why does that banner ad for Redbelt look like a shitty DTV movie?
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So let me see if I can wrap my head around your ... logic. Drilling at ANWAR and potentially alleviating the current gas price problem is not a suitable topic, but speculating on what policies in a hypothetical Gore Presidency of the last 8 years is?
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Harry, I have read this site for years as a MOVIE site. Sadly, I have seen far too many arguments erupt over politics. What amuses me is that the majority of this sites readers...including you Harry...only consider "history" to be the events that span their own lifetimes. For example, I recall the heated dabates about the 2000 election. Most readers claimed it to be the most "corrupt" election in "history". Yet, historically speaking, 2000 was MAYBE in the top 10 most contested. CERTAINLY not in the top 5. What I am trying to say here is that Harry, you are entitled to your opinions. And yes, this is your site, and you have every reason to tell me to fuck off, you'll rant on whatever you wish. BUT...perhaps you should keep it to MOVIE rants? Just my 2 cents...
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BSB - that cracked me the hell up!
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Too bad ol' Cygnus ain't around to enjoy....or IS he?
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That sure looks like Jason Bateman puttin' the choke on Chiwetel Ejicantspell.
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What can I say? Morbid is ... an inspiration.
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May 09, 2008 1:36:41 PM CDT
Morbid - You throw bombs with no explosives in them son!
by toadkillerdog
No bang!There's no pop to your kick son! Try and focus son, one inane argument at a time.
Do not try and open a second front in a war you are fighting with the same rhetorical rants after another. If you EVER answered a direct question, it would be a first - and once again - since you are fond of saying BSB leaves a trail, so do you.Once again I say, look at the posts where G100 asks you repeatedly to answer his questions, and you duck and dodge, and try and change the subject. What is hilarious, is that you try and change the subject, by accusing someone else of doing the very same thing!
You are a funny little Morbid.
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Stevie Grant fails ethics. Deal with it. Morbid, ANWR would be like giving Paris Hilton aspirin for her herpes. Get off it. What happened in WWII when the Germans were trying to develop an atomic weapon? The US gov't gathered our brightest and gave them unlimited resources. We had a bomb in four years. If we need an alternative form of energy, we'll get it. ANWR drilling is fucking pointless (It will happen though. The mob is restless...). The war is a failure, the rich are getting obscenely wealthy (they couldn't possibly spend that money, and yet millions starve and live in poverty...that is UNETHICAL, Stevie), the dollar is tumbling, the infrastructure is crumbling, the troops are being worn thin...where are the positives?
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Now unless George is appearing as a guest star in Lost, can politics just fuck off from Aint it cool News?
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...get on with the god damn Battle Royale? Sick of me yet?! Hahaha! This whole "you suck", "no YOU suck!", "well, you suck more" blah blah between BSB and Morbid isn't bad but it's not as juicy as I've seen these things get. Come on guys....this isn't about you...it's about the opinions and the fight! I see it here and there...but it still seems like passing rabbit punches back and forth...or maybe ass punches when the ref's back is turned.Let's start the chant: B-A-T-T-L-E-R-O-Y-A-L-E (sung to the tune of Bay City Rollers "Saturday Night"...you can make it work..trust me).B-A-T-T-LE R-O-Y-A-LE, Hey!B-A-T-T-LE R-O-Y-A-LE, Hey!B-A-T-T-LE R-O-Y-A-LE, Hey!B-A-T-T-LE R-O-Y-A-LE, Hey!Gotta keep on bashin' on the high death tollOn Battle Royale! Battle Royale!Crushing mellon heads and we can watch em roll!!!Battle Royale!Battle Royale!I, I, I, I have to bash your face!!I, I, I, beat you into paste!!At the Battle Royale!!!Battle royale!!!
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Morbid lacks the firepower and the heart for a Battle Royale. You need to dredge-up BraneRobot.
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Hey! Do you fear foreigners? Do you think people with skin darker (or lighter) than yours might possibly want to kill you, take your stuff, and have sex with your spouse or children? Do you believe Earth is 6,000 years old? Do you think the customs of people in other countries might be a clue that they were put here by Satan himself, to test your resolve as a God-loving American? Do you believe the founding fathers of America were Christian fundamentalists? Do you think "terrorist" defines any brown or yellow person who speaks another language? Do you believe it's our Divinely-inspired right to conquer other nations for their resources, no matter how many hundreds of thousands of non-Christians we kill in the process?
Yes? Then WE'VE GOT A PRESIDENT FOR YOU!
So what if he is officially the most unpopular President in modern history? So what if the slim minority you find yourself in is considered the most greedy, selfish, cowardly, goose-stepping lot of fucks this nation has seen in the modern age? You've got GOD on your side! Yep. God, Oil, and Cocaine; all the things that fuel your champion George W. Bush. It's too bad he acts like he actually snorts all of them, but hey- Our heroes can't be perfect. I mean, like grandad, like grandson, right?
If xenophobia, hate, and greed are your cup of tea, then Bush is the man for you. Wind him up and point him at a problem, and watch it get worse. Listen as he bungles even the most simple sentences, and be amazed as he turns our foreign policy into an international joke. Stand in awe as he personally racks up the highest civilian body count via his war policies. Hey! It's OK! They're just brown people who worship the wrong god!
Yep. If you like getting fucked in the ass with a pineapple, Bush may be the man to lead you.
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Hmmm?
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I would be shocked if Morbid ever elaborated on his "enthusiasm" of and "enjoyment" on the topic of ANWR drilling. But Colonel Activity pretty much debunked any argument he would have had just now.
As for the fight, Vain apparently accepted the challenge but didn't disclose being from L.A. So no psycho was going to show up at the zoo, and if he were to show, I would've had his ass arrested on the spot. That woulda been one less jackass on the streets. -
Not to mention that the apparent discovery of some potentially massive reserve off the coast of Brazil some weeks ago did absolutely nothing to level oil prices. ANWR would make even less of an impact - meaning none whatsoever. Just more record profits for the oil conglomerates.
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H, you know next to nothing about politics and all your doing is spewing what you have been forced fed by the media in general. Please thing for yourself.
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Better yet, have Yoko thing for you. Always better when a woman does it anyways.
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then click to another one. it's that simple. no one is holding a gun to your head. harry can say whatever the fuck he wants because its HIS site. if you don't want to hear it get the fuck out. the internet after all is a huge ass place. some of us are rather entertained so fuck off.
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"What happened in WWII when the Germans were trying to develop an atomic weapon? The US gov't gathered our brightest and gave them unlimited resources." If that's the case, why not give our current military unlimited resources to fight back Islamic extremism? Wouldn't it have saved lives (and money) for FDR to instead just sit down with Hitler and Tojo to work it all out?
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That sad state of this country is due more people knowing who the finalists are in American Idol rather than who their senators are. Both GOPS and DEMS have just as many morons in Washington. Nothing will ever get solved, for if it did they would be out of a job.
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I really like your site and I think you have a great knowledge of Cinema. But this was like some sort of spell breaking. Oh, well... It sucks to be me now.
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May 09, 2008 2:59:00 PM CDT
Morbid, there are no questions of mine you could answer
by toadkillerdog
And I never asked you any. But you might try answering G100's first, then BSB's.
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Why do you dodge direct questions?
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May 09, 2008 3:04:04 PM CDT
LEAVE IT TO THE POINTLESS ONE TO MISS COLONEL'S POINT
by bringingsexyback
Pookie!
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May 09, 2008 3:06:19 PM CDT
I HAVE ANOTHER DIRECT QUESTION FOR THE SENATOR FROM MONKEYVILLE
by bringingsexyback
Why did you say the economy is fine and there is no recession, and then said it's not fine and there's a recession and then say it's fine and what recession? Are you a flip-flopper sir?
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Nice one, Harry. Idiotic rant, showing your shallow nature.
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May 09, 2008 3:14:33 PM CDT
AS FOR THE QUESTION DODGING BACKPEDDLING MONKEY MAN:
by bringingsexyback
Again fails to answer a direct question. You ought to be White House spokesman.
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... George W. Bush easily qualifies as the single worst president in history. His administration has violated nearly every single one of the Bill of Rights. People wearing anti-war T-shirts have been threatened in front of the White House and people who want to speak against Bush and the Iraq war have been kept from speaking their minds anywhere near Bush - that takes care of Amendment #1. The Patriot Act clearly violates Amendment #4 by unreasonable searches and seizures and warrant-less wiretaps. Amendment #5 guarantees representation and charges will be filed before anyone is imprisoned, yet even American Citizens have been arrested and detained without a lawyer, a judge or even a jury. These same people lost the 6th Amendment's guarantee to a speedy trial and the 7th Amendment applies here as well. Torture violates the 8th Amendment's promise of no cruel and unusual punishment. 9 and 10 talk about laws that the Federal Government has no right messing around with, yet with his pen, Bush has stepped on several of these. Of course this is just the Constitution. Let's not forget habeas corpus, lying to the American people to get into war, obstructing justice by ordering people not to speak to prosecutors or Congress. George W. Bush has ruined our reputation with nearly every nation around the world. The only people who still support Dubya are war mongers, red necks and idiots!
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on a job not done, he declares some imagined and deluded victory over Toadkiller. Have a banana, monkey.
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp Ok, so Snopes says he never said it. But it's pretty darned good nonetheless.
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May 09, 2008 3:27:36 PM CDT
Morbid - If I wanted a Flat-Earther's opinion, I would ask you
by toadkillerdog
If I want an informed opinion about something, I would just ask my bulldog.
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there's no evidence for this "wimping out" you're proclaiming. Keep striving to make a point chimpy.
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I never asked you anything Morbid, not one question. So how is it I 'wimped out' about doing something I never did in the first place?
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What in your opinion justified the war with Iraq? And I have only until 5:00PM Est to get your answer.
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Wars are mostly unpopular, but even then have been regarded as necessary evils. To that extent, why the obsession with poll numbers? We're not a democracy, and never have been.
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Because toadkillerdog is in a time crunch and because I don't want to block-paste: http://tinyurl.com/ 6hm6z3
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It's taken me a while to get back to this TB again (I'm recovering from the flu and got bored last night, only reason I jumped in on the discussion). But, re-reading your posts without a fever, I'm assuming your about 15/16. Because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about: macro-economics is counter-intuitive and due to the variety of factors, it borders on incomprehensible in certain areas. Your understanding of it seems to be random, ridiculously broadstroke correlations, then assuming those correlations are causations. And you clearly have no understanding about how pervasive oil is in our market or standard of living. And, sorry, the "rich getting richer" is a bullshit argument. Unless the "rich" are getting poorer there's nothing in that statement that indicates anything that would make you happy. And, if the "rich" get poorer, then everyone else is getting poorer as well since the "rich" are a socio-economic class living at or above their means. If the wealthy (which I assume you meant by the "rich") get poorer, then we are in trouble as a nation, since the wealthy have the vast majority of their wealth in bonds, stocks, options, spots, various currencies, ect. If they are getting poorer as a group it means our economy is shrinking, and the global markets are in such chaos that they can't find safe-havens for said wealth, in which case we are all going to get poorer and everything will suck more. Don't bitch about people getting richer, any rational person's goal would be in creating more and more wealth so more and more people in our country are "rich" or "well-off" or "wealthy," cause the more of those we have the more jobs, the higher pay-gradients, savings, investment, and tax revenue we get as a nation.
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May 09, 2008 3:55:19 PM CDT
So we are justified starting a war to reform the middle east?
by toadkillerdog
Why not start a war to reform North Korea? They have been PROVEN to be exporting NUCLEAR technology to hostile countries. Should we go in and blow them off the map? Why didnt we do them first? Or, are we justified for only starting a war, based on faulty evidence? 'Oops, my bad. Sorry i started a war based upon manufactured evidence and false beliefs that you are sponsoring terrorism. I will just tip-toe out of the country now. Here is a broom and a shovel.'
Prove that Saddam was training terrorists. Show me any proof of that.
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We paid $1.39 for gas back in 2000. We had a World Trade Center. We could get on an airplane without being strip-searched. We had a vibrant housing market.
Point made.
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This is exactly why your site sucks and has devolved into a mosh pit of pathetic 12 year old fanboys. Since when did MOVEON.ORG start funding your site, you fat prick?
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I think it was the plan all along to have a nice long protracted conflict where Haliburton could make a ton of money and oil companies would make windfall profits while the taxpayer picks up the tab. The Bush guys WANT Iraq to be a mess. That's where the money is.
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To justify the unjustifiable. You will regurgitate some neocon geopolitical hoohah about making the middle east safe for American interests. Well, explain this, we just created an entire new generation of anti-American's, and allowed real terrorists a foothold in a country that had none. Saddam never tolerated terrorists, he was too paranoid, and realized they could undermine him. That was the reason we left him in power in the first war. It was too dangerous and unstable without him. The neocon twits thought they knew better. Prove how we are in ANY way safer now that Iraq has become a haven for anti-American terrorists.
Enjoy twisting yur brain and logic around that.
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We would be thoroughly justified in toppling the North Korean government. But that would be far more stupid than the war in Iraq, because we would be unable to stop NK from immediately destroying a large portion of South Korea (our ally). This is different than Iraq, who was easy to defeat, without inflicting massive casualties on ourselves or our allies. Both the Iraqi and NK regimes deserved the political death penalty, but NK is too painful to excise right now. Iraq wasn't. The occupation of Iraq is problematic, but their initial defeat was very well executed.
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Side note: I think I remember you making an "Ayn Rand fan" comment last night as a negative (that's like saying you can't appreciate the writings Adam Smith and Marx and Engels on their respective merits). But, you seem of the liberal persuasion, and if you like reading/watching shades of gray and the projections of people... read The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter,. It's one of my favorite novels, by an author who died way too soon. Alot of the main characters are socialist and it is not a "right-wing" book or something, it's just a damn fine read... depressing though
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It'll take a lot more than one broadly painted post to negate a hundred pointless ones, but good thing there's no limit to the talkbacks.
So how did the invasion "reform the Arab world"?
How was Saddam "ranting about all his WMDs"? Was he boasting about having them, or being vague to deter Iran, or even the US, from an invasion?
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And what's funny is some of you speak as if you're the important one here or anywhere for that matter. As if any one person can even understand what is actually going on....contain and actually process all the noise and nonsense of the world in their heads. You can't; nuff said. But now Harry can't critique politics cause he runs a movie site? That's total bullshit jackass; as an American taxpayer he and fucking every other person can say anything he or she wants. But no....only a few actually know what's going on in this TB and therefor are the only ones qualified to speak. And of course only they can determine who is qualified to speak on this topic and who isn't (genius logic there; contestants in the race getting to decide who can be in the race..that bullshit didn't fly when i was fucking 7 but it's ok as adults?). Silly humans! Smells like arrogant, self-centered bullshit to me! However, maybe you've got it all figured out. Perhaps it is only you that has taken the time to analyze and process the available information in order to form an opinion and, ultimately, a political philosophy. While I'm not a cynic per se, I'm not an idealist either and I don't think for one second that any (and only) one person in this TB is correct about everything much less anything. Our discourse is so stupidly 'WWE Exxxtreme!!' that all I can do is be facetious and try to have fun with everybody. I mean no insult or blatant offense to anybody, even those with opinions bereft of any trace of real and honest contemplation. Any temptations to weigh in to the argument formally is always voluntarily hampered by reality. The reality which, basically, is that, at the end of the day, I don't give a shit about your opinion or whether or not you're wrong or I'm wrong or whether you care about what I have to say or will even listen (read). It means absolutely nothing to my life as my opinion means absolutely nothing to yours. As it should. Thank the Emperor-Godz no one here makes policy altho some of you might do a better job than some of our asshat "leaders". But again, If this is what passes for "democracy in action" then can we at least make it the show it so desperately wants to be? I'm talking t-shirts, girls in bikinis, fat dudes with faux-hawks shaking their hammy fists in the camera, some steroid-loaded human-mutant-hulk gritting over barely intelligible rantings about who's ass is to be kicked next. That makes it fun. This isn't democracy in action...it's the circus maximus. And I love it! Huzzah!! Cheers!!!
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Wait a minute, are you now suggesting that we should go to war in North Korea? Would you still be in support of that war now if we'd gone in five years ago?
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As I read in another TB: We need a god damn edit button! Nincompoops! Lol!
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May 09, 2008 4:08:54 PM CDT
Mania.com doesn't pull this stupid POLITICAL GRANDSTANDING
by jeditemple
So, I'm headed over there and leaving this ridiculous site to rot.
I encourage people to walk away from this crap before it gets worse.
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Gas prices? They would have raised anyway, but Bush's policies probably accelerated the increase. Trade Center? That would have occurred regardless of who was president, and it's loony to think otherwise. Housing market? Bush had nothing to do with the boom or bust, pro or con. It was overly speculative banks and really stupid homeowners that caused the problem.
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Despite Seoul's official statements, I just can't see South Korea wanting to absorb/reunite with North Korea. Why would they want to increase their population by a third... by brainwashed, uneducated people who have been conditioned to rely on everyone else for everything they have? It would be economic and polito-cultural suicide. Hell, East Germany is still a shit hole and a heavy anchor on the rest of the German nation, and the Berlin Wall has been gone for a long time now.
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So did you catch my last post? The one with the direct questions? 3 of them - hope they don't overload your noggin.
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May 09, 2008 4:16:54 PM CDT
Balance of trade deficet has been going on for a long time.
by smerdyakov
That's what's weakened the dollar and that's what Bush totally ignored in favor of globalization. And Bush set up the housing scam boom which ended in the big bust. He has MUCH to answer for.
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i must have misunderstood.
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So the war is "still ongoing". What, to you, will define victory in this war? And what will this reformation of the Arab World entail? Is it limited to Iraq, or will it reform the entire Arab world? Do these grandiose designs include Iran, which is not Arab?
Claims to have WMDs is not the same as evidence of having them, despite your rudimentary reasoning.
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I hate to break it to you, but the dollar has a long way to depreciate before it reaches equilibrium, and the housing boom was due to congress primarily (and this is in hindsight). Bush had as much chance of squashing the housing bubble as Clinton did of squashing the tech bubble: next to nothing.
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Didn't Lebanon give up their nuclear program? That undoubtedly counts as at least one reform. I'd say Kuwait is happier now that there's not a knucklehead next door. That's probably another reform.
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That was one of his biggest talking points back in '99; "under my Administration America has the highest rate of homeownership ever!". So how did he achieve this miraculous rate of homeownership? He gutted the regs that had kept things in check and strong armed lenders into handing out MANY more subprime loans. You can certainly blame Bush for letting things bloated out of control during the post-9/11 recession but his policies didn't cause the boom.
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is as complex as that on the Middle East. Disney World you say? Intriguing.
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We already toppled Saddam and his government. This is more akin to our Reconstruction or -- more accurately -- post-WWII Japan.
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Didn't you just say last night that the President should not be blamed for the country's problems, and yet here you are blaming Clinton?
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Jack Murtha and John Kerry, both decorated veterans themselves, hardly put our military in the same category as Al Qaeda. Please don't stoop to Morbid's level.
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Really? I wasn't aware of full-on combat engagement in Japan after the Emperor surrendered. Probably not even a single gunshot outside of your odd lost soldier on a remote island incident. But okay ... Iraq = Post War Japan. I don't think you'll get a lot of takers for that one Bismarky.
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Shit man, we've gone at it enough now for you know I'm more or less Libertarian. And you know I don't defend the Neo-con policy as a whole (just specific issues). Most of my posts here (granted, they were last night and I had a fever) were expressing why I think the GOP is flooring it head on into long-term lminority status by ignoring their conservative and libertarian bases to play politics in Washington with money Washington doesn't have and geopolitical influence/favors/maneuvers that they just ain't getting 'round most of the globe.
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I'm not against you. I didn't mean to give that impression. Obviously, I'm not with you on every point, but, I'm more with you than against you.
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Otherwise why do you bother to engage anyone?
I see you have no answer for my direct questions, yet again. Let me simplify them:
How do you define victory? What are the benchmarks so we'll know it when we see it?
This "reformation" you speak of ... how do you define that? Again, benchmarks? Will everyone in the Arab World be playing Grand Theft Auto?
Do you always equate claims with facts? If I told you your sister is riding my cock right now, does that make it true?
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May 09, 2008 4:43:53 PM CDT
STEVIE, I DON'T PUT YOU IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS MONKEY
by bringingsexyback
I don't even put AnimalBranes in the same category. Morbid's in a class all by himself. A class that apparently doesn't have logic in the curriculum.
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May 09, 2008 4:45:00 PM CDT
STEVIE - HAVE YOU COME ACROSS GiLL SINCE THAT LAST BIG TALKBACK?
by bringingsexyback
Remember him? Fascinating guy, I hope he comes around again.
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just want to add I don't have anything against you either. Yeah, we obviously clash politically, but I respect your opinion and that you rarely insult me, and (just to clarify) the only times I've insulted you were when I was drunk-posting.
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You haven't answered any of my questions, champ. No definitions for victory, "Arab reformation" ... nada. Nothing resembling a real justification for war at all.
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I haven't been online for a while now. The only reason I started posting last night was because I was in bed sick, and was bored. Gill had great, informed and interesting posts... but given the little he mentioned about his personal life (assuming it was true), I doubt he has much chance to post here.
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Mutual respect, dawg, but let's not get too cuddly or Morbid will get jealous. He looks down on the socializing aspect of talkbacks but just beneath the skin he's yearning for acceptance and friendship.
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There's some mystery to that guy but no denying the unmatched depth of his knowledge of Afghanistan and Pakistan. I do think he was a little detached from the big picture, but his insights - which I had not come across before - were astounding.
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about the "cuddly," as an independent... I'm very use to feeling alienated and isolated... and lonely... (sniffle). As far as TB "political enemies" go, the only one I want in a DarthMacchio deathmatch is Suit & Tie. He's unbelievably gifted at talking shit, but in my experience, that gift is negatively correlated with fighting ability.
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is that I wasn't wanting to debate you. I was just asking for clarification on some pretty broad strokes you were painting there, homeboy. Just that "Arab reformation" statement alone is completely meaningless - and pointless, naturally - as a justification for war.
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...reading the indignant posts by neo-cons who feel offended by Harry's political comments. My favorites are the ones who profess disgust and declare that they're leaving and never coming back.
Boo fucking hoo.
Why wouldn't Harry be allowed to write whatever the fuck he wants on HIS SITE? Show me the chapter in the neo-con rule book that says the owner of a film geek site isn't allowed to make political comments.
If these assnoids had the courage of their convictions, and if politics on a geek site really bugged them so much, they'd leave the site because of the political posts of all colors which litter the talkbacks without being removed.
The real reason they leave (or come back under a different name) is because they belong to the "why do you hate America" club and cannot abide opinions they construe as being anti-American, that is, different from their own. -
Suit and Tie gives the TBs extra zing! We already had ChickenGeorgeVII and TFD in this talkback. Imagine if Suit and Tie and the pre-born again Braffed had made appearances too. I'm curious as to their political leanings (if any) ...
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Like Altoids for your butt. Now available in Cinnamon and Winterfresh!
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Stick to movie reviews. I don't come here for infantile armchair politics tirades.
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He touted how it would help poor families become part of the "ownership society." Instead, they wound up being owned by the banks.
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Neocons aren't he only ones who get pissed at Harry being a typical, Austinite tool. You go mountain biking around Austin, stand in amazement while some hippie/new-age fucktards keep trying to HAND-FEED a obviously rabid raccoon (staggering about in a clearing, at 10 am, in broad daylight) a granola bar, just to sick your dogs on the animal to spare them, then face the hyper effiminette, pissy backlash, and have that level of idiocy be commonplace EVERY TIME YOU VISIT AUSTIN... then try to take Harry seriously.
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There are literally dozens of tin-pot dictators and groups who give money to terrorists, some even give a whole lot more than Saddam ever did. The fact still remains that the United States lost a hell of a lot more invading Iraq than they would have if they continued containing him and concentrated on Afghanistan. Iraq was an idiotic and irresponsible project from the get-go, and because of this administration's arrogance, ignorance, stupidity and greed, it's a project which has done almost incalculable damage to America and its cause.
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I'm a moderate and I grew up in Austin so go fuck yourself.
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May 09, 2008 5:13:46 PM CDT
AND THAT'S THE SOUNDS OF MORBID'S VERSION OF "MISSION ACCOMPLISH
by bringingsexyback
Checklist:
1) Dismissing any direct questions posed to him
2) Acts indignant and accusing others of doing same
3) Insert "Oh, well."
4) Reference "facing the real world"
5) Mention Node for no reason whatsoever
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I grew up in rural West Texas... fuck all yall in Austin. Yall know jack shit about being Texan, and from my experience: nonething, at all, about nature. Go hang out in a Starbucks and bitch about Corporate America, Austinite.
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Nobody, and I mean nobody, is impressed with your aloof posturing here. Either answer the direct questions put to you or shut the fuck up. Nobody's buying that faux disdain you adopt for questions you consider to be beneath you.
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Care to tell us what you mean by "reforming the Arab world"? Or how Saddam trained terrorists, but they're not really terrorists?
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you can't argue, regardless of all the myriad of problems the other Texas cities have... they all share a disdain for Austinites. Shit, even Mi Cocina (of Dallas) or Chuey's (of San Antonio) couldn't take off in you're "definition of Texas cool" asshatedness, because they weren't born of Austin.
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You are right about one thing: I really don't know "nonething", at all, about nature.
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She said you guys have flying cockroaches in Texas. Is that true?
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"In 1994, President Clinton set a goal for the nation to reach an
all-time high homeownership rate by the year 2000. That goal has been
reached a full three years ahead of this target. The new figures,
released by the Census Bureau and announced by the Vice President today,
break the previous record homeownership rate of 65.8 percent set in the
third quarter of 1980.
Housing and Urban Development Secretary Andrew Cuomo said, "Today's
historic news proves that President Clinton's strategy to increase
homeownership across the nation for people of all backgrounds is
working. Growing homeownership strengthens communities, strengthens
families and helps more hard-working Americans enter the middle class."
"VICE PRESIDENT GORE ANNOUNCES OVER $21 MILLION IN NEW HOME OWNERSHIP GRANTS... "For millions of Americans the surest sign of the American dream
is homeownership. For too long, though, sky-high interest rates caused
by sky-high deficits made homeownership a dream deferred," Vice President Gore said. "We have cut FHA closing costs for first-time homebuyers, and cut the time for an FHA loan approval from two months to two days. And
Secretary Cisneros' "National Partners in Homeownership" initiative has
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I'm not concerned about any takers, BSB. I don't expect many people have read too much about "terrorist activities" in post-war Japan (or Germany, for that matter.) Or hell, about post-Civil War violence in the South.
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Austin is fucking awful. It has all the sheen and outward look of being "cool," and it's music scene is awesome (ranges from the Meat Purveyors to Spoon), but if you spend any serious amount of time in the city... you realize they poseurs of poseurs. Austinites are a joke in the rest of the Republic. Seriously, every single time I fly home (in DFW) it's so goddamn ridiculous to spot 40-50 year olds wearing some bastardized version of a suit and a vaquero outfit, with some manner of facial hair that screams, "I want to look fierce, but not tickle random dudes' balls." That or frat boys. I'm guessing the difference is in the years.
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Austin is enjoyable, as long as you aren't a tool, and know where to go. Fuck you Austinites... go buy another pair of RedWing boots, chain 'em behind your truck, then create the illusion that you know what manual labor is. Doc, if you live in Westlake. congrats on being a Dellionaire, but fuck you for being a total tool.
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as soon you answer mine. Can you do that for me?
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I'll cut out the "Texan" crap from here on out (unless some Austinite tries to claim they know anything other than jack shit about the Republic).
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Yes, Stevie Grant is the stereotypical, tight-jeaned shitkicking, line-dancing, secessionist country fuck you imagine when you think of Texas.
All hat and no cattle.
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Austin sounds like the gentrified Lower East Side to me (here in New York) or any number of gentrified places in Brooklyn - Williamsburg, Park Slope, etc. Without the flying cockroaches though ...
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It would be a waste of my time to cite posts that are already here for you, or anyone who cares (that would be zero), to see. See, I'm giving you a chance to redeem your question dodging ways. So why not prove me wrong and answer those questions I've asked?
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Okay bucky, let's get some things straight: 1) I know that the standard of living and much of our foreign policy resolves around oil. It appears to me, however, that your grasp on even the most basic of ethical theories is tenuous at best. Here's an analogy: I'm eating a five course meal by myself, in front of ten homeless people. I don't even come close to finishing the meal. Instead of giving my left over to the homeless, I keep the left overs. Granted, I don't need the left-overs since I'm just going to go buy more groceries, but I earned that right...do you understand why that is unethical? And I understand "that the rich will get richer"; admittedly, that is poorly phrased. But, froming reading your posts, I think you know exactly what I mean. The gap between the rich and the poor is widening. This is fact. Now I now that you like to say that the wealthy create more wealth, but how many blue-collar workers do you know? I'm originally from rural Minnesota, and I can tell you that no one is feeling "the trickle down" and no one has. I know that the richest 1% like money, but to think that Bill Gates couldn't pay an extra 5% a year in taxes is asinine. Now, I don't agree with hand outs, I believe in social programs. I agreed with reforming welfare. I can tell that you're well read; instead of saying things like "you don't understand what oil means to our standard of living, etc." why don't you pick up a book on ethics? And the Ayn Rand reference was to your obvious love of rational self-interest. And once again, you flunk ethics....and on other note: To that boob who thinks that we're not giving the troops enough resources....you, sir, are a moron. This administration has worn the troops thin and then they come home to run-down medical facilaties and awful health care. Also, comparing Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan to fucking al Qaeda, Sunni insurgeants, and Shiite death squads? Really? Guess what? You can't declare war on an abstract concept, dick-wad. Bush had the right idea in Afghanistan and, as is his nature, he fucked it up. May he burn in hell.
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Austin can be a very cool town. Just stay away from sixth street (unless you want to deal with massive crowds of UT frat boys and Sorority gals). 4th street has some of the best bars, in my opinion, but you have to search through the various gay bars (fourth street has some high end, nice bars, and a shitload of creepy gay drinking holes). Personally, my favorite bar is at the Driskall hotel.
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I'd say it's been fun and educational ... but it hasn't.
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oh boy
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Okay now that sounds like Greenwich Village. Between the hordes of NYU fraternity boys (of which I was one) and sorority girls, gay bars and various forms of posturing, sounds like a mirror image to me. Later, watch out for those flying bugs!
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"Stevie Grant" has spent the last four years in Cambridge, MA., and about to receive a Harvard diploma. I know that intelligent shit-kickers is an unfathomable contradiction to Austinites, but yall are tools, and the rest of the state knows that yall think doesn't really matter. Hold on, what's the name of that 6th street homeless transvestite that got, what, 80,000 votes to be Austin's mayor? Leslie is it? (I actually can't remember the creature's name, but Leslie sounds right)
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read the NIE from 2005 that should that the war in Iraq has caused more terrorism? Haven't they read the Pentagon reports stating that there was no relationship between Saddam and al Qaeda?
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Sorry, but most of your post just proved that you have zero understanding of the mechanisms under which our economy functions. And that last bit, not me. I don't know who that was meant to be a response to, but I haven't brought up Nazi's.
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why can't the wealthiest 1% pay the same tax rate that they did under Clinton? Or are calling bullshit on Buffet? I mean, he said himself that he pays less than his employees...
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exactly how fucked up do things have to get under his (bush) watch for you limp dicks to start getting upset with him? - some day, if we last long enough, it will all come out - we will all openly agree on how awful and destructive the bush administration was - honest to fucking christ - did someone actually bring up carter? - as if carter was a bigger fuck up? - this country is hopelessly lost - we deserve everything coming to us thanks to the overwhelming majority of lame ass short sighted citizens that keep voting with their hearts and not their heads - when america is hit hard by "the enemy" we will have no one but ourselves to blame
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Bush is the worst ever. Deal with it.
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Buffet could raise his tax rate by at least 25%, tomorrow, if he wanted to. The vast majority of his income falls under the capital gains tax... and given the very troubling amounts of uncertainty in the fiscal or monetary markets (ie see administration or FED statements meant to increase confidence)... the last thing we should due is raise the capital gains tax. I know you want to steal money from the "rich," out of some misguided envy, possibly because you are bitter or something? I don't know, but raising the capital gains tax would lower the government's capital gains tax revenue and only make liberal bloggers happy.
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So, you're perfectly comfortable tossing out stereotypes but when you're at the receiving end of them, they're suddenly the result of not being able to understand an "unfathomable contradiction"?
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The Speakeasy around Colorado is a very cool bar also. This has to due with a previous post. Others are: Guerros on South Congress, La Vaca street bar around 4th street, and the Ranch 616 also has a cool bar, from what I can remember. Just stay off 6th Street. Lake Travis has some really cool bars, but I can't remember the locations.
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Apparently insurgency in post-war Japan and Germany is an abstract concept, so I'll go back further in history: how about during Alexander's reign? Were there insurgents during his conquest of Afghanistan? Why is it such a foreign concept that with war comes insurgency (even and especially after the war)?
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I'm not tossing around stereotypes when talking about Austin, Austin shamelessly capitalizes on said anti-capitalist stereotypes.
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Be honest: given Austin's present day state... how much time do you think Townes Van Zandt (assuming he was still alive) would spend there nowadays; outside of smack/booze holidays?
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Yes, I am envious. I live in a nice metro-area, I have a decent job with great benefits, and I'm young. So, yes, I am jealous AND envious. That's a significant leap of logic. I'm talking about ethics, which is (as a Harvard boy should know) the study of what we OUGHT to do. I have never taken a business class in my life, because, frankly, I don't care for it. I'm talking about the ethics of haveing more money than you can spend in a lifetime and complaining about taxes while people starve. And yes, I know that your view on distributive justice is from the libertarian slant (maybe leaning towards the meritarian), but do you really think that it is ethical for CEOs to have golden parachutes worth hundreds of millions when the poor don't have health care or the chance to go to college. If you think it's ethical, tell me how it is, applying an ethical theory. (And yes, I know that the rich pay more in taxes, increase gov't revenues, and I don't agree with taxes dividends...just like Clinton. Stick to the spirit of the debate: Are trickle down policies ethical?
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When did I ever say that there weren't insurgeants? Confusing them with the people who masterminded 9/11 and, more to the point, conflating them is what I was talking about. There is no link. And to the people who hold the misconception that Iran is funding "terrorism" or ie al Qaeda: one is Sunni the other, Shia. They hate each other. Now, Iran is funding Sadr's militias (which the PM of Iraq approves of) but not al Qaeda. And more to the point, what do you expect? In Vietnam, China and Russia both supplied arms to the Viet Cong (unless you think they made AK-47s in Hanoi), but we didn't attack either of them. If you step into someone's backyard, expect to step in some unseen shit.
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Once again... you clearly have now idea what you are talking about. I've never taken a business class in my life either, just economics and econometrics. You're points are pointless and unless you actually bring up regarding the mechanisms governing our economy, and not some crazy rainbow/chocolate-river expectations, you aren't worth responding to.
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heard some nice things. More of a DeLillio guy myself.
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i'm hoping (with very high doubts) that you've actually read Atlas Shrugged since you criticized it before... but assuming you have: you sound like James Taggart. Repeating a previous sidenote: read Carson McCullers... I can't pimp that author enough. She can't be confused for right wing (but easily influenced by Hemingway with regard to her prose), and The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter is kickass.
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I was on the phone and didn't refresh the TB. But, yeah, get all caught up on your "Singer", man.
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I clump business and econ together; many who don't care don't bother to differentiate. So tell me about the economy, and how my financial analyst friends tell me that Bush's economic policies are dreadful. Sell me on them. I'm talking ethics, you seem to know the markets better than anyone. So tell me about how it's impossible to go back to Clinton tax rates. Tell me why Bush squandered the surpluss handed to him by issueing refund checks. Lay it on me...
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I was raging last night and had no direction...so I took it out here. Then I went off to a pub, picked a fight with Gigantor, and nearly had my head knocked off. Good bloke though. Bought him a pint after he damn near killed me.
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nor have I mentioned it. I did read The Fountainhead, however. Where you're fouling up here is that you're assuming that I'm picking at your tastes in books when I'm actually just pointing out that you seem like a guy who would be into Ayn Rand's objectivism...rational self-interest, identity theory and such. You don't have to read a novel to get the gist of the author's views. For example, I can recite the main points from "The Simile of the Cave" to you, and you'd get the theory behind it without reading the essay. Yes yes?
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You obviously haven't been paying attention to my posts, because you seem to think I'm a Bush supporter. Also, your financial friends are ought to make a buck, the FED and Administration is ought to flatten out this recession. Two different animals all together. And, I don't claim to know the markets, I just claim to know a few inevitable outcomes (that those markets know also, but wanted to keep getting while the getting was good). Your "Clinton tax rate" comment just proves everything I've been saying: Bush's tax cuts led to higher tax revenues... and still do. To go back to the Clinton tax rates would lower tax revenue. I know you hate the "rich" for... something... but reverting to Clinton's tax structure would decrease tax revenue (and I'm assuming you know that the Clinton tax structure wasn't static over his eight years).
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by "ought" i meant "out"
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I've only read the Greek philosophers enough to write papers over them... not to memorize their philosophies. You will know this by my following question: while I realize Plato and Aristotle are very different... I don't remember most of those differences and can't remember which is responsible for that Simile of the Caves (though I remember the gist of it). I want to guess Aristotle, but it doesn't seem to correlate with what I remember of Aristotle's philosophy.
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Seriously, we've had enough of Bush. Who wants another 2 hours?
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it wasn't static, but I also know that we've had record defecits in both Reagan and Bush II's administrations. And my friends are talking about principle. Yeah, they do fine, but the idea (other than increasing tax revenues) is that the effect will "trickle down". Knowing scads of people from "the country" I can tell you that it doesn't. As far as "the rich" go, I have nothing against making money. I have nothing against being successful. I do, however, have problems with people who make enough money to own two homes bitching about paying a 33% tax rate while the poor in this country are seeing the programs that help them cut. And tell me: What have we done with all those tax revenues?
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is the founder of Nichamaen Ethics, Socrates was the founder of the Socratic Method (the forerunner to the scientific method) and Plato wrote the Republic, which contains "The Simile of the Caves". And I guess that doesn't really matter. But, on another note: I don't know anyone who's attended an Ivy...how hard was it to get in?
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is pretty much just natural law. Such as, "It is the goal of the guitar player to play guitar well. Therefore, it is in their nature to try to play the guitar well." It's a little teleological...and I suppose a half consequentialist and half non-consequentialist. Depends on how you look at it.
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You're just bringing up talking points. You clearly have no idea what's going on. If I have the time later tonight, I try to summarize the basics of our budget and tax revenue... but I've come to realize that shit's pointless on AICN's TB's. No one cares, and then they just repeat the exact same crap the next time around. And, I'm assuming most of our differences are ideological (ie, you don't actually care about realities or effects of policies, just the policies feel-good selling points). For example, I think it's bullshit that someone who earns 120k a year works roughly half the year for the government, meaning they don't see a single penny of 4-7 months of their labor per year. You seem to think they should work over half the year for big brother. I flat out don't get that. Obviously, you have no idea how inefficient big brother is, or how much of a abused joke our social safety net has become.
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Nicomachean ethics.
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Actually, if you live in America, you are agreeing, implicitly, to a contract of sorts. You live here, you enjoy the protections and freedoms, then you pay the taxes. If you don't like it, move to Iceland...the happiest place on earth (literally, I guess) where they pay a 60% tax rate. The highest tax rate on income right now is 35%. I'm pretty sure it could be bumped to 40%. And yes, I know that the government is inefficient. But cut heating-oil programs to fund tax cuts? Tell me where in the world do low tax rates equal happiness?
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our social safety net is prison.
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I'm about to take off... but I honestly remember next to nothing about Greek philosophers. Now, if you want to talk phases Ancient Greek literature or the defining couple decades when Classical sculpture truly transitioned to Hellenistic... I could debate you, yet I completely and truly don't give a shit.
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May 09, 2008 7:22:19 PM CDT
Loyal Bushies are ensuring the Election will be about 8 years of
by g100
I fail to see why people are getting upset over the little Bushie revisionists trying to persuade people that Iraq isn't unpopular, or the Economy isn't heading into recession or that Bush doesn't have the greatest disapproval ratings of any modern President.
They keep this up till November and those who actually live in the real world, the Voters, will make sure the last 8 years are remembered accurately via their votes.
Because the Voters interact with the economy every day, pay the bills every month, see the quagmire continue with no end in sight, and hear Bush constantly repeating the same old tired talking points while playing out his lame duck status.
No amount of tame pundits on FOX or Republican scaremongering will convince people that the Bush era was in fact a "Golden Age" now.
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no, you're talking about income tax which is 37% in the highest tax brackets, and just the largest of a multitude of taxes. See previous statements for breakdowns of income tax revenue. And infrastructure, education, and law enforcement primarily come from the much lower state taxes. Fed. taxes subsidize national defense, retirees who didn't save for retirement, and degenerates and addiction cases by and large.
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are you a lit major or something?
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I see that you're firmly a meritarian. Whatever. Thoughts on Iraq?
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I feel like an idiot for not mentioning this... but a MAJOR source of tax revenue goes to the paychecks of about the (approaching) 40% of the workforce... that works for the government. That means, that rest of the workforces pays their salaries, cause they don't generate products or goods, just services that come with a big-ass dead weight loss to the economy. Col: No, I spent about a year and a half in history, then switched to economics my junior year. And I'm graduating very soon.
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I don't think that should tax dividends, fyi.
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basically, I've spent the last two years reading economic papers, writing economic papers, and creating economic models. I'm more than ready to finish this and start earning a paycheck. But, I'm leaving right now, so I probably won't respond to anything to a while, if I do at all.
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for a Pub Crawl. Have a good one Colonel Activity.
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I see. Iraq War?
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don't drive
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Dubya is looking a little Heath Ledger in that shot. I can't wait for this movie. I'm not saying it's going to be good or at all accurate, it just sounds damned entertaining.
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stevie thinks "golden parachutes" are ethical, as most conservatives do, because in his eyes the poor are poor by choice - or rather, they wouldnt be poor if they tried harder - because its always been a level playing field (in the eyes of conservatives, "bootstrap pulling" and "everyman for himself" etc) - conservatives white wash history - they think everyone has and gets a fair shake from birth - which we all know is not true - america was built on the backs of the poor and powerless - you cant have very wealthy heads of industry without millions of poor functioning as their mattress - american poverty is a myth to conservatives - "the poor are just lazy, thats all"
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if after all this shit talking and bickering, if even one person reading this will alter their opinions even slightly. If you're here defending Bush still, then you'll probably do it all the way to your grave. Which could possibly come a little sooner because of Bush laying the ground work for WW3 :)
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He's a, "morbidly obese", fellow in a wheelchair who happens to run a popular website that deals with something I think many of us enjoy: movies, television and other pathways of nerd-dom.
He has an opinion that differs from some people and also strikes a familiar chord with some people. Some might consider it appaulling and while I'd personally never express my views in such a fashion, if you disagree with it, why even bother acknowledging it? You're not going to change anyone's political opinion on a 'talkback' section of a website. By replying with even the slightest of pugilistic innuendo, let alone F-bombs, you're only giving the opinion credit for existing. If you just ignored it, it would resound with the people that cheer around such journalism but beyond that, the rest of the world, ie. the majority of living sentient beings on our planet with opposable thumbs that don't live in trees on this planet really don't give two shits about what Harry has to say or how he says it.
Spreading political hate and animosity is something best left ignored. Reacting to it with equally venemous rhetoric simply causes it to fester and boil letting those with differing views point out your own inadequacies which simply creates a clusterfuck amongst people that otherwise share common interests.
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May 09, 2008 8:47:03 PM CDT
I'm amazed at the number of people who purport to spout facts
by leftofcentristdotcom
In truth, even The National Intelligence Estimate tells us that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq prior to the US Invasion. Saddam Hussein was too much of a micro manager to allow terrorists to train in his country. Rather than simply spout off like so many others, allow me to produce proof.
http://tinyurl.com/5t336q
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You heard it here first. Just remember that.
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"Golden Parachutes"... ??? Why the hell did you put quotation marks around a fact of corporate life? And, despite you're fight for the little man attitude, corporate policies like "golden parachutes" help the little man. The entire point of providing CEO's and other executives with these no-matter-what-you-do, you are independently wealthy, deals is to promote good behavior. Remember Enron? All the employees and owners lost everything because the management were stupid, selfishly driven assholes who kept trying to keep the board and shareholders happy by delivering higher stock prices. Capitalist pig policies like golden parachutes are designed to prevent the management from fucking anyone over by purposely inflating or deflating stock prices, or empire building. I've written over fifty pages over this stuff, spent hundreds of hours reading hundreds of economic papers over this: and you are dead wrong. Corporations enact these programs to preemptively buy-off management from doing anything destabilizing to the company.
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If you want to debate the cost effectiveness of these policies, that's another issue. But remember, cost effectiveness doesn't involve the little man.
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about that, after two beers I realized I still wasn't well enough to go on one... so I went back to my room, then back to this TB.
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We had to wait in 3hr lines everyday for Gasoline. When we have to do that under George Bush. He officially becomes the worst president ever.
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are you for real? - do they work? - because it looks to me like theyre a reward for bad behavior - theyre given out to every rich asshole that screws over his companys lesser employees and its share holders - apologists like you are part of the problem - keep legitimizing corporate greed all you want - its not good for "the little man" - the little man has yet to reap the benefits of any golden parachute - because dupes tricked out of their life savings arent entitled to yachts - number crunchers like you want it all to be okay - the way its supposed to work - a good economic model - in an abstract sense, like an equation on a chalkboard, maybe it is - but numbers and variables in the form of chalk marks dont have human impulses, like wanting to eat because theyre hungry or wanting to get laid once in a while - you want to be there at the top yourself one day, after college, an internship, and whatever - you said "Corporations enact these programs to preemptively buy-off management from doing anything destabilizing to the company." really? - so corporations tell there execs that "if you fuck to the point of no return, destroying our name, we will fire your ass, but also cover your ass with a gift wrapped fortune the likes of which your victims will never see in many life times" - im not impressed by the # of papers youve written or read (in an attempt to legitimize this shit) - your the same guy these fucks hire to help them fudge their #s at the end of the year - you have a big future - dont drink and drive tonight
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May 09, 2008 9:59:58 PM CDT
and carter did more for the middle east than bush or his dad
by jimmyjoe redsky
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Does it matter what time we live in? It's the experiences you're forced to endure under a president, that can make him the worst president for an individual. I still remember being a kid waiting in 3 hr lines in the backseat of my parents car every single day. Fuck Jimmy Carter! I'll never forgive him for that. Gas maybe expensive, but I can get it a lot quicker. So fuck you! I don't defend Bush, just because I don't think he's the worst president ever. I must like him, of course. I can't stand George Bush and I look forward to Bush free country!
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in the first place. He started this whole domino effect. The idiots along the way made sure the dominos kept moving.
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... more of you didn't pick up on this shit he was doing but its good to now see so many reasonable people on these boards whether Republican or Liberal. W fucked things up. Admitting that doesn't make you a tree hugging alien chasing weed smokin Liberal. It makes you a person with logic and just a little bit of common sense.
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You obviously did no research, even Wikipedia, into that last post. After Enron and Worldcom and ect, these programs got even greater importance. And you realize those programs aren't blank checks, right? The execs still got to keep the board happy and perform according to explicitly stated business operation guidelines and such? Do you really think the lawyers these corporations employ don't draft blank-check contracts? Are you a teenager also, or just another idiot 20-something-year-old liberal?
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IT WAS ALWAYS BURNING SINCE THE WORLD WAS TURNING! Come on everybody sing! WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE! WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE!
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May 09, 2008 10:04:18 PM CDT
every industrial emissions regulation was lifted under bush's wa
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May 09, 2008 10:10:40 PM CDT
it amazes me how anyone can seriously still support bush
by slappy jones
these guys are the epitome of the big government you so called conservatives are meant to be against. they are spending more then ever before. but since they keep giving tax breaks we are pretty much sitting in chinas pocket.I have no problem with conservatives but I just don't see how you can claim to be a true conservative and support bush and his cronies. it had been proven without a doubt now that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. NOTHING. does anyone seriously feel safer due to this administration? and before anyone gives the old "there hasn't been an attack since 9/11" lets just remember whose watch 9/11 happened on.
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im neither of those - but youre hopeless - after you leave school and need to fend for yourself in the real world (where no one gives a shit what youve read) youll come around to my way of thinking - or not - i hope your first big corporate gig is in austin - it must suck being a virgin so late in college - cruise over to the art department - look for some cute frizzy haired liberal girl with good strong hand-job hands (pottery class?)
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there is a difference between getting a fucking blow job and starting a war based on lies. everything they told us turned out to be untrue.so they were either lying or just completely fucking useless either way it is time for the republicans to move aside and let someone else have a crack because the road we are on right now is the wrong one. and mccain is hardly a step to the future. he is just too old. I don;t wan t a 72 year old president. Can you anyone tell me any business that would hire a 72 year old in any capacity??? its might be ageist but its true. he is just to old and don;t want to see the presidency handed over to a fucking muppet like romney or whoever mccain picks as his VP. I am not to crazy about obama or clinton either but now that mccain has turned from the "straight" shooter to a flip flopping right wing panderer ready to serve out bush's 3rd term I would rather see someone else have a go.
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Iraq didn't HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9/11... SEE HOW TYPING IN CAPS IS STUPID? No one said it did, they just said Iraq had a serious chance of making future terrorist attacks worse. Given how Saddam constantly fired against American planes flying UN missions on the borders, refused weapons inspectors until Saddam realized his shit-hole was about to get stomped, used WMD on his own population, and garuanteed payments to the families of random assholes who suicide bombed random Israelies (US allies) at the the local markets.... No, there was zero justification for invading Iraq following the worst attack on American soil ever, given and extra strong bout of Saddam's secretiveness...
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can someone please make a list of the good things bush has achieved? what has good has he done? and how come when the economy is going great republicnas are quick to claim credit for it and say that its because of a conservative administration but now its in the shitter and you are saying you can't blame bush?? you can't have it both ways.
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I actually take it a point of pride that I've never done any of the Austin bar-chicks I've met... I have too many friends who spent too many years in Austin and learned and experienced way too much to view those gals as anything other than diseased head-cases. And, actually, there is a serious chance I will work in Austin in the next few months, but that will only be if I don't find a better job in the DFW area and the pay-grade losses don't convince me to stay up here in yankee land.
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if you refer to bush as a conservative, you are just admitting, you know jack shit about the political spectrum or politics in general.
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Overrated. Chicago and MSP is where it's happening.
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isn't gannon the same asshole link has to kill every zelda game?
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wouldn't a good time to use them be WHEN YOU ARE BEING FUCKING INVADED??? (SEE HOW I DON;T GIVE A SHIT HOW STUPID THE LOOK)when the fuck was he going to use them if not then?? he was not athreat to anyone. Do you think our government and our country would have any interest in the middle east if there was no oil over there. I am not being a silly "its all about the oil man" hippy consptracy theaorist but lest face it. there are many many "evil" regimes and dictatorships all over the world that we don't bother ourselves with.we wouldn't give a fuck about the middle east at all if there was no oil. thats just a fact. and I don't mean just this administration I mean in all of US history. the only reason we care about what happensd over there is oil. if we stayed out of there business they would not trouble us. they don't hate us for our freedom. they hate us because we keep sticking our nose in where it isn't wanted. then there is also the fact that the christians want to make sure they have easy access to jerusalem for the lords return.
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Bush is a neo-con. Barry Goldwater was a conservative...Arlen Specter, Chuck Hagel, etc.
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But he refers to him self as one. they claim to be conservatives. my whole point is he isn't yet a ton of conservatives still stick up for this administration you fucking idiot.
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I got carried away.
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people are stupid to say that the war is all about oil. It's protecting America's interests as it pertains to our energy policy, which, as it happens, depends on oil. And all this is tied to our standard of living. I mean, do you really think that we would give two shits about Kuwait if they didn't have oil? How long has a civil war been going on in DRC? If this war was really about terror, we would have stayed near the Paki-Afghan border. We are an oil dependent country. A is A. Law of Identity, boys. Adn Saddam poised no threat. The whole WMD meme is so fucking retarded I don't know where to start. Biological weapons need to be dispersed by low-flying planes on nearly windless days. Conditions need to be almost perfect. Plus, with modern medicines and protections...you see where this is going. Also, the thought that Saddam Hussein, a thug who came from nothing who, in the end, sat on a golden toilet, would be in cahoots with a formerly wealthy religious zealot who gave up his cushy lifestyle to live in caves and fight a "holy war" is laughable at best and pathetic and myopic at worst.
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I'm a pretty young guy, and I'm kinda ashamed about remembering all the way back to the Super Nintendo Zelda. Shit, my Mom rather recently told me about how I use to get super-pissed when I was 3 and couldn't read, and would get "super-pissed" enough to break my oldest brother's controller while playing Zelda on the Super Nintendo. Apparently my parents had to save me more than once from my 8-years-older brother back then...
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older brothers suck until they can get you booze...
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Calling Bush a conservative because he calls himself a conservative is the logical fallacy of false authority. Why would any believe a word that comes out of this chimps mouth? On a seperate note, Bill O'Reilly is a fucking cocksucker. Just wanted to throw that out there.
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you can easily find all the top democrats (including Pelosi, Gore, the Clintons, Kerry, etc) saying the exact same "lies" the Bush administration put forth... in the late 90's when Clinton was in yet another scandel. I hope you don't want to claim the then Texas governor managed to manipulate the CIA and Congress back then, right... Fuck it, I already know you don't give a shit about that.
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Also cut and ran from Lebanon and then showed up at the end of the cold war with a six pack of Mike's Hard Lemonade and called himself the life of the party. He also put off combating AIDS because there was a thought that it was "gay cancer" and crime (and I'm guessing here) tripled under him. Gotta love that crack.
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To say that they did nothing would be facetious. There were airstrikes performed against Saddam. The difference was that Clinton et al actually vetted the situation.
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Bill O'Reilly has a damn good business mind... news not so much. He routinely tops the ratings race because he reports on somewhat random, usually stupid, crap that, by design, has a huge pull. But he nails the crap that draws in the best ratings, and you can't criticize him for that. Yeah, he and FOX news are Neocons, but they are a business, and they are kicking the shit out of CNN, MSNBC, and the rest.
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Comparing Clinton to Bush....er, one was a tad bit more successful. Better learn to pick your fights a little better.
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I forgot, crack and AIDS are a CIA conspiracy... What the hell are you talking about?
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Bill O'Reilly's audience 1/2 that of Good Morning America? But yeah, his ratings among seniors is far above that of Olbermann's. But, Seeing as he's built his audience for twice as long and is only about 100,000 viewers ahead in the key demo with a shrinking audience isn't such a great thing. I'm not much into ratings, as that should be the last thing that you strive for if you present yourself as news. But yeah, they've found a niche and are making some good scratch (yeah, I just said "scratch") but they're also the laughingstock of the journalism business.
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It's a well-known fact that Reagan didn't act urgently enough when AIDS first sprouted on the scene. As for where it was "born", I don't know. South America? Africa? I couldn't tell you. Do you think that early 80s "Rambo is a Republican", Bruce Springsteen co-opting, hanging out with Anita Hill Ronald Reagan didn't try very hard to stymie AIDS, then I don't know what to tell you. And crack was made by some clever inner-city criminals...Reagan just failed to contain it. No conspiracy...at least I don't think so. Being a boob isn't a conspiracy is it? What about senility?
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That should read "If you don't think
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FoxNews routinely, and substantially, beats CNN, MSNBC, NightTime, ect. in primetime ratings. I'm not defending Fox's news material, I'm just saying they recognize the business aspect and capitalize on it. Sure, you could maintain that the NYT is the hight of news service... that has consistently lost suscribers and membership for the past decade... I'm not saying Fox News has the best news and opinions, I'm telling you, no one news-junky gets their news from the tv or publications anymore: it's almost all internet now.
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Here I thought you were a teenager, now I'm guessing you are a aging Baby-Boomer. To be honest, I like the previous stereotype better, because it meant there was still hope for you.
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Dude, I'm talking about the 24-54 demo. O'Reilly is about 100,000 viewers ahead of Olbermann there and he's had twice as long to build his brand. Sure, there are spikes, like when he interviews Hill Dog, but otherwise, it's becoming tighter. And I know that you're not defending them. All newspapers have lost subscribers with the advent of the internet. I have never read a copy of the NYT in paper form, only on line. In fact, I try to read it everyday. And you're right about the business aspect, too. Truth be told, I do have Republican friends and they sound a lot like you Stevie. You're a good egg.
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Then I'm glad your Republican friends haven't been sunk hook line and sinker into the Democrat/Republican mindset. I'm a Libertarian: I really don't like those Dems, and am just consistently disappointed in those Repubs... and... fuck McCain. That asshole won't get my vote in ten thousand lifetimes.
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...When they start that lame, whiny "YOU probably think that GWB was behind (name of an event clearly not related to Bush's incompetent reign)!" For them, accusing somebody of being a conspiracy-monger is kind of like a Bond villain's jet pack: a last ditch escape method...
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I'm 27. A PR/Philosophy major who works as a recruiter.
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... too much credit for being an evil mastermind.
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You struck me more as a meritarian. Hmmm.
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News flash Harry...much of the world was fucked up long before the war on terror started. It's hard to confuse Iraq with a utopia when it's leader attempted genocide and set out to destroy another country. And I don't recall George Bush selling loans to irresponsible home buyers.
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I have a degree in PR/Philosophy. Semantics, semantics...
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If Saddam attempted genocide, and failed to wipe out the Kurds in Iraq, then what threat could he poise to the US? That's pretty sad for a power-crazed dictator. Gassing a village as a political reprisal is alot different from genocide, boy-o. And what country was that? Kuwait? Yawn. Throw a dart at a map of Africa and whatever country it hits has a worse dictator (ok, that's hyperbole, but you get the picture).
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Yup. Everything. That's why Stevie just took me to school on economics. Because I know everything...
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libertarianism is based in meritarianism, by and large. It's essentially classical liberalism adapted to modern day. That is, you don't mess with other people, no one has a right to mess with you, especially the government. And, you are entitled to your earnings (but that's a long, drawn out labor argument I don't have the energy to get into).
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Libertarianism and meritarianism are two distinctly different forms of distributive justice. Libertarianism is the "no one has the right to mess with you" school of thought, where as meritarianism is who get what you earn. If you're a Libertarian, you don't have to earn it. So, I'd say you're a meritarian how just has his terms messed up...maybe a little Libertarian. I'm about halfway in between socialist and meritarian, as are most Americans.
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"who has his terms"
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libertarianism is by definition calling for meritocracy. no one gets handouts, but everyone keeps most everything that they earn. hence, saying you're between socialism and meritarianism is like saying your Rawlsian who like Friedman. Utilitarianism doesn't mix with other philosophies.
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staying home on voting night?
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Although we disagree, I respect your opinion and apologize if I insulted you at any point. I'm going to bed, but wish all the best. Night.
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you can take bits and pieces of philosophy, my friend. For instance, I can say that I believe those in need who have no means for which they can better their situation deserve help, but those who are afforded oppotunities equal to the majority of the public are worth what they earn under the constraints of the government. So, they're what the earn. See? And libertarianism, as I learned it, meant that there is no government interference; and it didn't matter how you got the money. I'm guessing you would want no government interference and to earn what you keep, yes yes? Also, socialism and utilitarianism are not the same things. Utilitarianism is the most amount of happiness or good produced where as socialism just means that everyone has enough to survive.
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Stevie. Take it easy.
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I'll vote, just not for Obama or McCain. Later (and, yeah, I know, I'm throwing away my vote, but I can't vote for either of those candidates in good conscience).
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That would be funny if true. He did seem to like those cheerleading outfits a bit too much...
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Colonel, you need to reread your philosophy. Libertarians use economics as the guiding principle for active government, and economics calls for government intervention in situations where the market can't reach equilibrium on its own. Just read Locke, and then the writings of the Founding Fathers, and then Friedman, and etc, etc. Externalities such as pollution, inherit uncertainly, etc all call for certain means of government involvement, but libertarians don't flinch from the solutions that are, sadly, regarded as the best solutions among economists, yet politically impossible... hence, no libertarian influence in the national political sphere. Anyways, I'm going to bed now.
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The theme of this past presidency has been bias. And not just the bias of the cabinet, but of the entire public. We tore ourselves apart, and we don't need this movie to keep poking at this vicious wound. We need a movie with a clear head to step back and look at the entire situation which consisted of itchy trigger finger sensationalist post 9/11 liberals who aren't willing to account for their actions. So many fucking people were for the war when it first started. Liberal and conservative alike. Stick to your guns. Congress voted for the war. Where's that movie?
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May 10, 2008 12:10:28 AM CDT
Harry, your fat ass could not even be in the military let alone
by brian_de_man
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Ha ha. Hilarious. Gonna use that, since it, well, applies so well! Brolin looks awesomely like W.
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"All the psychiatrists and doctors are frauds because Ron Hubbard says so. I've studied it, so I know"
Or like the creationists - "All the evolutionary scientists are wrong because a mathematician wrote in a blog that the human eye is irreducibly complex."
And as for using a typographical error in my post as proof climate change is not occurring, grow up.
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... Do you mean the ones the US sold him or the stuff the UK sold him - or both?
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Jeff Gannon or Monica Lewinsky? If you're Bush or Rove, you'd be looking down on Gannon and pushing his smooth bald head down on your knob. The hypocrisy of the Bush Administration, the Republican party and any of their minions is mind blowing. And Christ, all this opposition to taxes but simultaneous support of war ... you guys sure have the right formula for bankrupting this nation.
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Tonight, Chris Hanson investigates Morbid's claim that "At least BSB's got Node to tell him he's a genius."
Dateline's investigators conducted a thorough search and could find no such evidence of Node calling BSB a "genius".
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I call bullshit. He got hurt from rough ass sex.
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Keep it trimmed. AY-OOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Nuff said biotches!
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At least he knows that there are just fifty states in the Union and not fifty seven, as that ignoramous Barack Obama does.
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Keep in mind that Stevie Grant isn't talking about all Libertarians, just Libertarian Conservatives. There's a broad range of libertarians out there. I'm a libertarian socialist, for example. Just so the term isn't getting confused. :)
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Palmyra Atoll, American Samoa, The Northern Mariana Islands
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Was it right or wrong to free the Iraqi people from the dictatorial rule of Saddam Hussein? Keep in mind the true meaning of the word 'liberal'; it means belief in liberty, for ALL people. Or, perhaps your the type of modern liberal who only believes in the right to liberty and freedom for americans, or for the country you live in. Of course, typical of the modern elitist liberal. What is the logical progression of that? The modern liberal reasons, freedom and liberty is only deserving of people who think like them, who are 'educated', and only people who think like them deserve freedom and liberty. Others need to shut up and to the gov't should shut them up. If you don't agree with them it's hate speech. In fact, some people don't even deserve to live. Some births should be prevented, so they continue to deny liberty, even to the point of accepting killing, under the so-called label of 'birth control', which is more accurately, 'birth prevention', and under the label of 'population control'. So the for the so-called liberal, liberty is an ideal only for a special group that gets smaller and smaller. That is why the modern liberal doesn't really hate dictatorships, they're philosophy ultimately leads to it. So, the modern liberal isn't a true liberal at all, and my question above won't be answered directly, answers will be given that sound like republicans after the first gulf war, when liberals gave an outcry that the first Bush didn't finish the job. So is liberalism really about freedom, or about pragmatism? More and more liberalism is looking like fascism.
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But I could then ask you why we haven't "liberated" all people in dictatorships?
Better question for you is who is April Glaspie? And what did she tell Saddam about his invasion of Kuwait?
Another good question for you is who were the people that Saddam gassed when he "gassed his own people" and why are we now killing them as well?
Another really good question is why are now giving arms to the Sunnis? Have we not learned this lesson?
But the real question...the only I won't allow you to avoid is this:
No matter the reason we are over there, no matter what the politics, why are we allowing this administration to treat our soldiers the way they are? Why is KBR still handling logistics over there when we KNOW they have failed so miserably in their duties just to save money. Why are they allowed to continue to run dangerous and unhealthy conditions?
And why is no one being held accountable for the sorry state of the veterans hospitals?I know many soldiers and all of them are now what you would call "liberal elitists" because the hate George W. Bush, and more they hate Cheney and Haliburton.
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I even stooped to reply to somebody who thinks the war in Iraq is about liberating people. JESUS! You would think I would realize that somebody who swallows that much bullshit from the administration is gonna be full of shit...I mean that's A to B.
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Go fuck yourself.
With that out of the way, let me ask you a question in return. Do you know what pretense means?
Despite announcements to the contrary to fool people like you into thinking they had honest intentions, The Bush Administration had no interest in promoting democracy in Iraq. Their primary objectives were permanent military occupation and privatization of the economy, with the goals of securing their oil for our consumption and to bring in foreign investors to take over the economy.
If you really give a shit about what your government is actually doing in your name, I suggest you do some investigative reading on the matter. If you're just looking for excuses to bash Liberals, go fuck your mother.
Here's an excerpt from an early article on how General Jay Garner was replaced as the American Administrator in Iraq after only a month, to be replaced by Paul Bremer (a protege of James Baker, family friend and counsel to the Bush family) ...
"Jay Garner, the US general abruptly dismissed as Iraq's first occupation administrator after a month in the job, says he fell out with the Bush circle because he wanted free elections and rejected an imposed programme of privatisation.
In an interview to be broadcast on BBC Newsnight tonight, he says: "My preference was to put the Iraqis in charge as soon as we can, and do it with some form of elections ... I just thought it was necessary to rapidly get the Iraqis in charge of their destiny."
Asked by the reporter Greg Palast if he foresaw negative repercussions from the subsequent US imposition of mass privatisation , Gen Garner said: "I don't know ... we'll just have to wait and see." It would have been better for the Iraqis to take decisions themselves, even if they made mistakes, he said.
"What I was trying to do was get to a functioning government ... We as Americans like to put our template on things. And our template's good, but it's not necessarily good for everyone else."
Describing his dismissal after he called for elections , he said: "The night I got to Baghdad, [the defence secretary Donald] Rumsfeld called me and told me he was appointing Paul Bremer as the presidential envoy ... The announcement ... was somewhat abrupt."
Gen Garner was careful not to criticise his successor directly. He said the imposition before elections of free market economic schemes drawn up by the US as early as 2001 "was a more orderly approach" than his own.
But he had wanted the Iraqis to decide economic policy for themselves. "They'll make mistakes, and that's OK ... I don't think they need to go by the US plan."
Despite being a protege of Mr Rumsfeld, Gen Garner was the subject of what was alleged to be a White House whispering campaign, describing him as weak.
A year after the invasion, his disclosure of policy differences with the White House highlights the dilemma still faced by the US occupation forces." ...
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It's shocking how selective and hypocritical neo-cons are. "Free the Iraq people"? Does that mean, "bring civil war and ethnic cleansing"? Because that's what has happened. The justification for going to Iraq was that it was a state-sponser of terrorism and that it possessed WMDs (the smoking gun being a mushroom cloud and all that). And while the Shia population surely hated Saddam, I don't think that the Sunnis cared much. And how can you spout about liberty and freedom? You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Because we didn't want to go into an unwinnable war means we don't want people to be free? Guess what? Things have been worse in North Korea, Sudan, DRC, Somalia, Sierra Leone, etc. for so long that it isn't even funny. Why don't we "liberate" those people? Why do you hate freedom? Is it that only people that fit George Bush's foreign policies deserve freedom? You elitist (and by the way, the POTUS should be ELITE, not a dry-drunk, trust-fund retard). You're throwing a bunch of weak shots out there. That whole "hate-speech" thing? I hear about that more from Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity than anyone. They cry about it all the time while they play "newsman" and spout lies and opinions (journalists are objective, remember?). As for your stupid, stupid abortion reference: Define viability. What is it? Could you take out a fetus that was one month old and raise it? No you couldn't. There is a certain stage where the fetus is viable and then and only then is the fetus a person. To be a human you need (a) The proper components for a human body (b) the proper arrangement of said components (c) functionability of the components (d)emotions (e) memories (f) personality (g) and intellectual ability. Abortion is not murder anymore than women getting her period is. If you think otherwise, next time a woman you know gets pregnant, ask her if you can take the zygote out of her after one month so you can raise the child. Assure that the child is fine; maybe you could put it in a stroller and guy to the park. When you eat scrambled eggs are you eating a chicken that was once alive? No, you're not. Same concept, jackass. And do you want some definitions are fascism, since you are just repeating whatever talk-radio or god knows who has been telling you? Here are some, since you obviously have no idea what the fuck you're talking about: From Mussolini..."Granted that the XIXth century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the XXth century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the 19th century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State." Franklin Delano Roosevelt says this...."The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power." From Roger Griffin..."Genuinely revolutionary, trans-class form of anti-liberal, and in the last analysis, anti conservative nationalism. As such it is an ideology deeply bound up with modernization and modernity, one which has assumed a considerable variety of external forms to adapt itself to the particular historical and national context in which it appears, and has drawn a wide range of cultural and intellectual currents, both left and right, anti-modern and pro-modern, to articulate itself as a body of ideas, slogans, and doctrine." and finally, Dr. Robert Paxton from Columbia University..."A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."
All that makes fascism sound alot like the current administration, doens't it? Next time you have something to say make sure you know what the fuck you're talking about, boy.
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OUr government as a whole, both parties are controlled by lobbyists.
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Good show, gentlemen. I feel a little sick that time and energy was wasted on someone so obviously comfortable in the role of a willing fool, but it's always good to put good information out there. Cheers!
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May 10, 2008 10:05:52 AM CDT
"Was it right or wrong to free the Iraqi people from the dictato
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We (the West) supported Saddam Hussein for decades. We gave him weapons (including the means to make chemical ones) because he was fighting the Iranians - who by the way were another monster of our creation. After all, we overthrew their democratically elected government in the 50's to maintain cheap oil (that worked out well) and opened the door for the current leadership to take over in retaliation for the dictatorship we put in the Iranian democracy's place. We turned out back on Saddam gassing the Kurds in the 1980's, we sold the people of Iraq out after the first Gulf War (the infamous "rise up against Saddam" comments of George Bush Senior) and to this day, we tolerate dictatorships all over the world and in fact actively support a lot of them. South and Central America probably still hate us because we brutally tried to crush almost every democratically elected government there because they were leftist leaning. No wonder they've swung so far to the left now almost to a country. And no, I don't hate America. We owe them a lot, especially in saving us in World War 2 (along with all of our allies). When the US is great, it truly is great. But when it is not it can be as needlessly destructive as the worst of everyone else. (The US overthrew the democratically Guatemalan government on behalf of a US fruit company whose landholdings had been nationalised for God's sake ...).
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We only seem to talk about liberating people and granting them democracy when it suits us and it benefits our ulterior motives. Just ask the Burmese who have been waiting for decades just for starters.
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Where are you from? You seem like you have a nice grasp on recent American policy...and you're right about America being truly great at times. Loving one's country means recognizing its faults as well. Otherwise, you're a jingoistic boob like Sean Hannity.
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So i'll ask it again, and listen closely, try to get passed your cynicism and your obsession with conspiracy theory, and reflect on what you really believe. Was it right or wrong to free the Iraqi people? I'm taling about what is right and what is wrong. Now, if you're not a real liberal, i'll understand you saying its wrong, because you do not really believe in liberty, so cynical intertpretations of this administrations motivations aside, was it right or wrong? Answer the fucking question! Do the Iraqi people deserve to be free? Answer the fucking question! No? Then you are no advocate of liberty. Civil war you say? Take a history lesson! This country went through civil war, freedom is not easy you ignorant bastards. But the alternative to chaos is not dictatorship. Are you liberals or pragmatists? What is your philosophy. don't answer by bashing this administration, and past mistakes. My point is, freeing the Iraqi people is how they are trying to set things right, especially in that region, and LEARNING from HISTORY. Yes, we should work toward making every nation free, as a superpower, that is our responsibility, especially in the context of 9/11. What 9/11 taught us is that when we devalue the ideal of liberty, for all people, then we lose respect around the world, and terrorists are bred. When we take the attitude that "Saddam is contained, fuck the Iraqi people suffering under him" we suffer the consequences, and lose credibility with the people who count: the common man, who wants normalcy for their families, even if it means going through the growing pains, which our own country did, and the countries we helped free in HISTOTRY from fascism and communism. So, stop dodging the question and examine what you really believe about freedom and liberty.
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It was wrong.
Democracy cannot be forced on a people. They must build it themselves.
Oh and dipshit, the countries we SUCCESSFULLY freed from fascism PREVIOUSLY had democracies in place! Dumbass.
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Freeing countries from Communism. Could you show me a couple of things in "HISTORY."
Show me a communist government that we over turned through military might that successfully became a democracy?
And please show me that you actually have read and understand the "HISTORY" of the middle east and talk about why we deal with Saudi Arabia when they are every bit the dictatorship that Saddam's regime was.
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It's wonderful that we "freed" them from Saddam. Now they have civil war, Shia death squads, car bombs, a terrorist organization linked to the REAL al Qaeda operating there, a bombed out infrastructure and 150,000 causualities in 5 years. AND YOU DON'T KNOW THE FIRST FUCKING THING ABOUT HISTORY!! 9/11 didn't happen because people "hated our freedom", you fucking piece of shit jackass. They attacked us because of our foreign policy in the mid-east, paricularly supporting Saudi Arabia. It's called blowback. You have no idea what you're talking about. You sound like you're basing your "history" on a Sean Hannity radio broadcast. What your saying is that we should go around and "free" every country in the world? What kind of fucking jackass are you? And who's to say that the majority of Iraqis weren't free already? Is George Bush the only person who can decide what freedom means? I'm glad that you fucking assholes are being marginalized in this country. Where did you go to school anyway? You need to go back to whatever CC you crawled out of. Idiot.
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Has obviously lived in William Kristol's ass for the last few years.
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...it's bunch of people who get on a proverbial soapbox always talking about righting the world and stopping the war and cleaning the environment and so on, but short of $1 bumper stickers, $1 wristbands and forwarded emails, they won't do any real hard work towards their cause. In other words it's actions that involve the least amount of work possible for the Austinite, but they always want it to have that outward illusion that they're doing something for their cause so that other people can think "hey, this person cares". Ugh that always just irks me. It's so easy to take a $1 "no-war" bumper sticker and slap it on the back of your car, but try actually volunteering at a VFW location for retired army personnel, or try actually going door to door asking for signatures and petitions against the war. Harry is a perfect example of the average Austinite. How easy was it for him to go on here and go on a written diatribe about Bush. All the effort of turning on a computer and pasting something on his website. But would he actually ever send money to a cause against the war, or would he volunteer his time at a troop counseling center? Of course not, because that involves REAL work. But as long as he and other Austinites can make it appear to others that they're for a cause, that's all that matters. Freaking Austinites.
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I'm from Australia but take a lot of interest in world history. We especially follow the US as it has such a big impact on us for decades. I had fun in the early 90's explaining to my American friends how their electoral college worked. I also said back in 2000 that that man McCain was someone to watch out for when he was coming second last in the polls as Republican nominee. I heard my friend's dad in the background of the phone call say something like "McCain, he's that Senator from Arizona isn't he?". As for recent US history (and all history), those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it and repeat it and ... Apparently one of the oldest - if not the oldest surviving piece of writing (from several thousand years ago) was about a son reviving his father's military campaign in Iraq over some natural resource they needed and leading his country into disaster. Who would have thought it? (I think it was one of the kings named Darius from Iran over silver mines).
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... Yes it was the right thing to do to free the Iraqis from Saddam. It's just that no-one should kid themselves that to bring them democracy or liberate them was the reason we did it. The West left them to languish for decades under him. After all, there's numerous other countries whose people fit the same criteria and we're not going to be doing anything any time soon. That inlcudes Burma, Uzbekistan, Egypt, Zimbabwe, Sudan and probably several dozen other nations - too many of which are our allies. While we're at it that includes China and Saudia Arabia too. Especially Saudi Arabia. Apparently the people there hate us because we're propping up their ruling royal family and have promised to intervene militarily against their own populace if they try to overthrow them.
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Sucks to be you and so ignorant. Even when given facts you prefer to wallow in a comfortable blanket of lies and faked idealism. Gullible little fool.
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. . . is doing him too much justice. Trying to un-fuck this place after 8 years in 4 just isn't possible. The movie may help paint the picture to enlighten some, but its too little too late and the real evil one still lurks even after this election. That's the fucked state of this country. Destroying is far easier than creating.
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I am late to this discussion, but what the hell. The war in Iraq has nothing to do with American freedom. If the Bush administration wants to bring freedom and democracy to the middle east, they should start with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. American foreign policy in the middle east is about keeping the region stable to keep the price of oil down, mostly by backing any dictatorship that is willing to be friendly to the US. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are primarily motivated to fight by the American backing of these dictatorships in Saudi Arabia, etc and feel they are fighting a defensive war against American Imperialism.
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Thanks Democrats, you want a bunch of pussies in office like Pelosi, Carter, and Obama. Here is Obama's solution to the matter. While Iran and Syria are at war with our ally Isreal, Obama and Clinton want to have talks about neutrality. Same thing happened in WW2. A bunch of STUPID ASS LIBRALS whos policy is WORRY ONLY ABOUT ME ME ME, let Germany, Japan, and Italy almost take over Europe. The President wanted to go to WAR, and the stupid ass LIBRALs wanted isolationism (Lets stay out it does not concern us) So Germany sweeps in, Takes France and pushes Britain back to almost a complete lose of the European nation, and the only thing that sets you Librals to maybe we should do something is Pearl Harbor.
Thanks fucking Democrats for once again putting our nation and our Allies for a free democracy into a pussy filled selfish stance and only worrying about yourself.
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Brian_De_Man needs to put a Brian_De_Rifle in his hand and go defend America in Iraq against the results of its own foreign policy, lest he be branded a pussy as well.
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A US President has no influence over the value of the dollar fat boy.
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The Freepers got bored and signed up to defend their Führer.
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He does have indirect influence through executive appointments to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors positions. And also through foreign policy and a myriad of other things.
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..are in love with one another, and you secretly desire to spelunk each others' dirtshoots, and suck the manmilk out of each others' papayas? DarthMacchio, forget the Cagematches. These guys should meet for a giant geek orgy where they lube each other up and slip and slide through their mutual crevasses.
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One of the Fed's main roles is to maintain price stability. This means that the change in the consumer price index over time should be as small as possible. The ability to maintain a low inflation rate is a long-term measure of the Fed's success.
Inflation has been out of control since Reganomics and Alan Greenspan.I blame Reagon, Bush I, Clinton and Greenspan for the .com bubble. But I blame Greenspan for never getting inflation under control.
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Syria and Iran are not at war with Israel (that's the correct spelling of our so-called ally who are spying on us more than Russia and China). Your freedom is not being threatened by Iran, it's threatened more by our links to Saudi Arabia and our voluntary dependence on the region's oil. Get a clue. I can't believe the depths of ignorance around here. Harry, you need to mandate an IQ test for talkbacker registrations.
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Oh... so Iran has never threatened the US with annihilation? Are you suggesting that we attack Saudi Arabia then to take their oil (being that you have confirmed they're a threat?)
No blood for oil, eh?
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quick, name the country where the 9/11 hujackers came from....QUICK!!!! And Israel is just as at fault as the other countries. They wanted their country, they got it. Now, defend it. Also, that Brian_de_Man rant was pathetic. A liberal president (FDR) took was into WWII, a liberal president (Truman) stop the war and helped shape the Marshall Plan. Call liberals pussies, and then look at where the war heroes are on the political spectrum. McCain and Hagel on the right and then....who? Dumb ass.
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you're scared of Iran? What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you think that any country actually poises a threat to the United States other than China? You fucking jackass.
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This election is going to be bloody murder for the Republicans. Adios, muchachas.
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who don't know the first thing about the Middle East. http://tinyurl.com/3kuurq
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Wanna know some great statistics?
Who is more likely to be a republican?
The majority will be more educated, male, white anglo, make more money, and go to college.
The majority of a democrat will be uneducated, a minority, make less money, and never have attended college.
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There are more ways to bring about change in the world than at the end of a gun. To invade Iraq under the premise of removing a dictator to "liberate" its people, when the US backs a number of dictatorships in the middle east, is pure hypocrisy. Especially since Saddam was one of them until the first Gulf War. The war in Iraq was the result of false intelligence about WMDs from exiled Iraqi's who wanted Saddam overthrown. The CIA told the Bush administration this, but they refused to believe the CIA. The war in Iraq has made the world a more dangerous place for the US, at the cost of ~4000 American lives and ~20,000 American wounded.
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You do realize that during the 1970s all the democrats split and half became republics because the democrats now a day are so libral and stuck up, they wanted nothing to do with them. FDR would be a republican today not a democrat. He could not stomach your weak back bones.
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The core of the Republican party are blue collar, church going, gun owning men and women who do not have a post secondary education. That is why Hillary is making such a fuss about her ability to win them and why Fox news is all about truthiness, not fact. The Democratic party tend to get the majority of voters who have a post secondary education, who are in the minority in society at around %25 of the population.
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Those are some questionable statistics coming from a spelling and grammar-challenged toolbag like you. Where did you get those statistics? Post your link now.
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From the Wikipedia page on the Democratic party demographics:
"Professionals, those who have a college education and whose work revolves around the conceptualization of ideas, have supported the Democratic Party by a slight majority since 2000. Between 1988 and 2000, professionals favored Democrats by a 12 percentage point margin. While the professional class was once a stronghold of the Republican Party it has become increasingly split between the two parties, leaning in favor of the Democratic Party. The increasing support for Democratic candidates among professionals may be traced to the prevalence of social liberal values among this group." -
Did you even understand my post? Read Colonel Activity's post for clarification. It's really no wonder so many Republicans are so enamored of the simplistic brainwashing by Fox. You lack the the critical capacity to process even minorly complex issues.
I didn't say attack Saudi Arabia, toolknob. I implied that we need to ween ourselves away from our reliance on their oil, and on the region.
And Iran's saber-rattling is not the equivalent of an assault on America. We've rattled our saber across the world too many times to count - does that give other countries carte blanche to preemptively attack us?
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Or be the dumbest, most idiotic Sandler film to date (which is really saying something).
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The Democratic party split in half because we passed civil rights legislation, you fucking piece of shit. We didn't wnat Strom Thurman or Jesse Helms, you cocksucker.
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Yeah, there the more educated. That's why they're always complaining about how liberal colleges are. Because they're the ones with the education.
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FDR would be a Republican? THe guy who implemented "The New Deal" would be a republican? You're such a piece of shit that I don't know where to begin. If your thinking about presidents that would have a different political persuasion today than they had in their lifetime, you could start with Lincoln...and Eisenhower.
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Why do so many people who claim to be raging truth-seekers eat this musty old anti-American bullshit up without even investigating it? I guess it validates their prejudices...
"In November 1992, Iraq's former deputy prime minister, Tarik Aziz, gave Glaspie some vindication. He said she had not given Iraq a green light. "She just listened and made general comments," he told USA Today. "We knew the United States would have a strong reaction." http://www.c-span.org/iraq/history.asp -
President Eisenhower warned America of the dangers of the military industrial complex dominating our governmental policies, and his prediction was fulfilled to the letter with the innumerable war profiteers in Iraq and Afghanistan, and their total influence at Bush's White House and Pentagon. He'd shed his Republican badge in a heartbeat in the current climate.
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thanks for not being afraid to criticize the fucker, harry. and remember, SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!
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You're right. I didn't mention how broad the Libertarian political spectrum is. I just personally view it as a direct continuation of classical liberalism, yet there are many other camps that equally, highly value personal liberty and the freedom to do what you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Also, just to throw it out there, I've been feeling guilty all day about stalking this TB while sick and bored earlier this weekend. That's a very bad mindset to start postin' in.
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May 10, 2008 6:38:47 PM CDT
THEY SURE DON'T WRITE SPEECHES LIKE THIS ANYMORE ...
by bringingsexyback
And even if they did, Bush would deliver it like a spastic monkey anyway:
"A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."
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I am watching Lil Bush from like two weeks ago and they mentioned this web site on it.... and no one said anything. I guess no one watches that show.
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You can be educated and liberal, but you can't have an actual understanding of people, economics, and government and still be liberal. That is all.
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Seriously what is all this revisionist bullsh*t about "freedom" for the Iraq people ?
Bush used childishly obvious scare Tactics in his feeble attempt to justify invasion. Noteably the fictitious W.M.D.s and lying about links to Bin Laden & 9/11.
Somewhere in amongst the 24 hour Media scare-athon a few Right Wing Media Pundits did Mention the fact that Saddam was a Brutal Thug (the West's Brutal Thug until he got uppity) but the retrospective casting of this as all to do with "freeing" the Iraqi people by pounding them with Daistcutters, JDam's, and other assorted high explosive "firecrackers of freedom" is just feeble.
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So did "Saudi Arabia" attack us on 9/11? No. Some "Saudi Arabians" running a para-military organization in Afghanistan. That's why we went after Afghanistan and not Saudi Arabia. But then maybe if you learned to read instead of just spewing stuff you saw on Loose Change you'd have a better understanding.
So QUICK! Should we invade Saudi Arabia! You said they're criminals! Huh? No Blood for oil. Oh and you dems will screw up the election again. Just watch. -
You're talking about Iran like they've done something to us. I'm sure they provided arms for militias, just like how I'm sure that we've bombed a mid east country into the stone age. You're all pissy about Iran, when the people that REALLY hate America are from Saudi Arabia. If you would have read further back into the talkback, you would have seen that I said that Bush had the right idea when we concentrated our forces at the Paki-Afghan border. That still doesn't change the fact that we are at war with a country that didn't poise a threat to us and we haven't lifted a finger over Saudi Arabia. You were just take to the woodshed, cakeboy. Oh, and there are 72 million Democrats to 55 million Rethugs. Good luck, pussy.
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The fight against the people behind 9/11 is in Afghanistan/Pakistan, NOT Iraq. In fact, according to Michael Scheuer (the former head of the CIA Bin Laden unit in Afghanistan), the remnants of Al Qaeda and Bin Laden were trapped in a valley in Afghanistan by American forces, but because American forces had began to withdraw from Afghanistan in preparation for the invasion of Iraq, America did not have enough forces in place to finish the job and Bin Laden et al escaped into Pakistan. The reason all of the 9/11 hijackers are from Saudi Arabia is because they want to see the American backed and corrupt Saudi Arabian dictatorship overthrown. The Bush administrations war in Iraq has taken resources away from fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan/Pakistan and allowed Al Qaeda's position in the world to grow, making the world a more dangerous place for America. Michael Scheuer calls the war in Iraq "a sham causing more instability than it prevents". Michael Scheuer also notes that the only current candidate that has said they are willing to go after Bin Laden in Pakistan is Obama, and says that McCain is incompetent on foreign policy and still living in the cold war.
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When did I ever say "No blood for oil"? And when have I ever advocated invading Saudi Arabia. Foreign policy consists of a lot more than invading, my little cum slurper....Hey Stevie you said, "You can be educated and liberal, but you can't have an actual understanding of people, economics, and government and still be liberal. That is all." Really? Didn't Clinton have any understanding of all these things? Also, what was it that Churchill said about not being a liberal when you're young? Just kidding, buddy...oh, and read some DeLillio if you haven't already.
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Michael Scheuer also says that Iran is not a significant threat to the US, but is used as a boogie man by the neo cons.
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Churchill said that "Anyone who isn't a Liberal before the age of 30 has no heart .... and anyone who is still a Liberal after the age of 30 has no brain." This is in reference to him switching from the conservatives to the liberals to the conservatives. He also said
"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." Personally I don't think the old pigeon holes of Liberal and Conservative hold much water anymore. I am a gen X'er and generally I consider myself a conservative, but I have liberal views on things like socialized medicine, abortion, and religion. -
Didn't Scheuer also show up with Ron Paul to back him up after Rudy tried to show him up at a debate with some reading material about the causes of 9/11?
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it's tough to classify people now-a-days. I just stick with calling neo-cons "assholes".
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I believe he did. He totally pwned Rudy. If you go to you tube, you will see him toss people like O'Reilly around like a rag doll. Bill O'Reilly is a total lightweight. I love it when David Letterman accused him of making up his facts.
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...At which point he'll write a glowing review that kisses Stone's ass, all the while comparing the Bush presidency to an asteroid hitting the Earth, then followed by a glowing passage about how Obama or the Democrats running the country will be the equivalent to licking and eating pussy. Really, based on your utterly laughable writing on this article alone, Harry, I can see it already. For fuck's sake, the movie hasn't even been made yet and you're probably ALREADY got a GODIZILLA or PHANTOM MENACE-like praising review filed away and ready to go. Hey, why not? Much like your intro here, I can count on the fact that your review will once again not deal in discussing any real hard facts and instead will just be more hyperbole so you can give Republicans the finger.I swear, I generally like this site till it gets into Harry's standard over the top politically biased rants, which is then followed by everyone suddenly dropping all civility to shout "Fuck you!" and "Fuck you back!" at each other. Mark my words, you think think the electorate is mad and angry and bitter now? Wait till November when we REALLY find out how divided this country still is. Everyone says Obama is the "healer"? I got a bet that says come November you're going to see more mud and racial tension and Red and Blue state divisions than ever before. And it will all play out in yet another squeaker because I'm predicting that neither side will walk away with any kind of landslide or "mandate"-like voter count, which means that whoever wins will leave the OTHER half of the country TOTALLY pissed off again...
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When O'Reilly gets his ass handed to him, it is a delight to watch. He should have stuck to Inside Edition.
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Huh, last time I checked, Bush had a 28% approval rating and McCain supports his views. The only healing that needs to be done is within the Democratic party; the independents are already on board.
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Learn to spell before trying to argue anything more complex.
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... the following, so I would argue that not everything he said should be listened to ...
"Winston S. Churchill: departmental minute (Churchill papers: 16/16) 12 May 1919 War Office
I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.
I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected."
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Just saw your post mentionint McCain and Hagel.
IRONICALLY, they are considered the most LIBERAL of Conservatives by the newly dumbed-down Right, as represented by the likes of Skyunwise here. I'm a big fan of Hagel and wished that he would've run for President. If you can track down a Time article on him from last year, it's worth reading about the changes in his political beliefs of the last few years and the interesting insight into his relationship with his brother, a staunch anti-war Liberal. I think that relationship reflected those of a multitude of families in this country since the Iraq War began. -
"Hey folks, Harry here... I'm not apologetic in the least for my disdain of the worst President in the history of the United States, George Bush Jr."
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Sorry, the worst president ever was a man named JIMMY CARTER. Clinton sucked, too. Bush wouldn't even be in the top ten worst. Bush has been a flawed president, but nothing worse then that. -
Buck Fush.
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that might take the cake as the dumbest thing in this talkback thus far...and that's saying quite a lot...
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It will come back at you as fire and blood.
And you will deserve it.
Left-wing hypocrites. -
"fire and blood". Easy on the drama there dude...
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Al Gore. He sucked so bad, he wasn't even elected.
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