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JoBlo gets a WATCHMEN Video Journal on the Costumes of WATCHMEN!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... Our good buddy over at JoBlo.Com have scored the latest WATCHMEN Video Journal - this time with Costume Designer - Michael Wilkinson - taking us through the periods and looks that they're trying to get across in this epic of a Comic Book film. You know - the other day I was in Austin Books here in Austin and an old friend that used to buy a lot of Golden Age from me back in my days as a "dealer" - and he came up talking to me about how he's given up all hope for Comic Book films - that the pictures from WATCHMEN has made him sick of "Rubber Suits" - and frankly... I found myself getting pissed at him. I didn't blow up at him, I just moved along - I was more anxious to buy a couple of key issues I've been wanting... but it got me to thinking. Is he fucking retarded? Seriously. I can see making that comment about Dark Knight... I am not a fan of the rubber Batman suits. But those first shots of the WATCHMEN costumes were pretty dead on. And there's all sorts of fabrics, metals, leather and stuff other than "Rubber" in there. Not just that, but that the costumes actually LOOK LIKE THE SUPERHERO COSTUMES THEY"RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE... well, that's fucking cool.
And now I wonder what he'll say once his priggy bitchy ass sees this clip. Here, where you'll see them matching the costumes not only to the eras and the fabrics depicted in the film... but also the styles and looks of the illustrations in the actual comic. Yeah, let's just blow this fucker off as BS rubber crap. Sorry. I'm just thrilled by what I'm seeing on WATCHMEN. Of course - if... Warner willing... we see a WATCHMEN trailer on DARK KNIGHT... I hope it literally fries the minds of fandom. It's time to see this stuff moving, speaking and kicking our ass... as it should. Here's the latest Journal, good work JoBlo!!!
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Good for themCostumes are looking good.
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If you "don't care" maybe this website isn't for you? What kind of a geek isn't excited about WATCHMEN?
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Is this a rumor with substance or wishful thinking? Footage or just audio like last summer's Dark Knight teaser?
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I was hoping they were going to talk about the Watchmen costumes. This was cool, but I already kind of assumed they'd have someone competent making sure the extras were dressed properly. What's with the music?
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Seriously?
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Someone had to say it
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I suppose they wanted to show how close they were going to the original drawings.
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....those promo pictures made the costumes look like plastic. Rorschach looked good, but NiteOwl? Looked waaaay too cool. He should look more like Adam West Batman than Christian Bale Batman.
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I loved what Zac Snyder did with Dawn of the Dead, but i thought 300 was awful. The action was great but the acting...egh. Nevertheless I still think he might be able to pull Watchmen off since he does look to be sticking with the source material. Colour me interested and cynical until I see the trailer.
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from the comic? very exciting. This is looking spot-on so far. Probably my most hyped film ever. Haters need to read a fuckin book.
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I agree. The costumes looked great...mostly.
Nite Owl sucked...but then if they are changing the story to have Nite Owl foil Ozy's plan then I can see why he looks like Batman. -
Sweet vid though.
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I love seeing these behind-the-scenes videos that give some sort of scale to the production. The thousands and thousands of costumes needed, the detail on each one, dressing the extras, just the rows and rows of shoes... Makes you really realise why films cost so much to make. Of course the good thing about Watchmen is that there's nothing hinging on its success. Thanks to 300 Warners will throw as much money as needed at Snyder to realise the graphic novel but, if it doesn't set the world alight at the box office - well, we got our Watchmen movie, it's not like there's a Watchmen 2 out there that we'd never see.
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Mediocre joke ruined by a typo. Ah well.
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expected to see more of it but maybe they just chose to show those non-scenes...or maybe it will mainly be used for Mars.
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You just might be a douchebag. I don't even think Alan Moore does that, only geeks trying to validate their seemingly childish fascination with comic books. Can't you take pride in it? However the Watchmen comic was great, and this looks aces so far. Can't wait for more journal entries.
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I dont understand the snobery some people have towards the term comic book.
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Obviously everyone's been saying from the start how this movie could never be done because it's just too big. there's just too much to put into a movie. Well, these two watchmen videos have both shown how fucking huge the production is... I'm pretty optimistic about this movie.
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I think ol' Zackky boy might of knocked another one out of the park. That's right son!
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May 06, 2008 4:08:08 PM CDT
If you make fun of people who call Watchmen a graphic novel...
by galactic
You just might be an intolerant douchebag. What's wrong with calling it a graphic novel?
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I think Harry needs to go back and take another look at Dave Gibbons' art. The hero costumes from the film are anything BUT dead-on to the artwork. Not that it bothers me (I'm still very excited about the film), but c'mon.... I don't know how anyone can look at those costumes and say they are (even remotely) accurate representations of the source material.
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demands some kind of humor involved. The true geek takes his shit as serious as cancer, hence the term "graphic novel" being retconned into what we used to refer to as "comic books." And yes, "retcon" is my favorite fake word of all time.
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No doubt I'm an intolerant douchebag, but here's my two cents. You know the "adult friendly" editions of Harry Potter, with more "serious" covers, so other people don't thing they're mentally ill when they whip it out on the subway and start reading? Aren't they pathetic? It's the same book! It's either worth reading or don't. A cover would only make difference to a douchebag, who care way too much about what other people think of him - and this is the very reason other people think he is a loser. When you use the word "Graphic Novel" you're trying to put the "adult cover" on comic books, and it's not even fitting on it, which is obvious to everybody but you. It's lame, but it spreads like wildfire among geeks. If you have the balls to read comic books, in spite of all the negative associations for comic book fans, take some pride in it.
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After viewing those initial images again, I somewhat retract my previous statement about the costumes not being "remotely" accurate. They definitely harken to the original art. But Harry thrashing his comic store buddy for complaining about "rubber suits" is probably a little harsh.... Considering that's what they are, after all.
I hoped they would avoid the high-tech looking sculpted-muscle-rubber suits for these characters (especially since the film is a nostalgic 'period piece', the perfect excuse to utilize Alex Ross-esque suit designs)... But again I ain't really complaining, I have total faith in Snyder to pull this off based on what we've seen so far. -
I was under the impression that the term "Graphic Novel" refers to a (usually) self contained story, longer than a standard 30 page comic but told in comic book format, published independent of any ongoing series or as a one-off, that generally has a spine rather than a couple of staples; whereas a "Comic Book" is a much broader term that can refer to an individual issue OR a 500 page graphic novel, as long as it has most of the comic book conventions such as panels, word bubbles, and people in spandex.
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They got the looks, hope they get.. well, everything else
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I've always used the term "graphic novel" as a subset of comic books rather than as a replacement term.
Maybe it's because I grew up with the Marvel GN's like God Loves, Man Kills and the like.
God Loves, Man Kills is still comic book, but it's also much different than your standard issue of X-Men and it needs a qualifying term to differentiate it from the traditional serialized magazine format. -
The only other site I check outside of here and Twitch.
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Fight?
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Keep in mind, Watchmen wasn't collected in book form until much later. It was published monthly in 26 page installments, for twelve months. It fit the description of "comic book" just as much as "NFL Superpro" did. Calling it a graphic novel just seems to be an artifact of insecure fans trying to redefine their hobby.
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wish they had done the Spirit this way...well too early to judge Miller's version yet.
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It's a novel-sized edition. It has graphics. It is a graphic novel. I don't get why you give a fuck.Should we just call it a Trade Paperback? Will that satisfy you? How about a Comic Book Collection In Single Issue Format? It's a fucking GN, get over it.Regarding the costumes... Rorschach? Dead on. Comedian? Dead on. Night Owl? Pretty fuckin close. Laurie? Would have looked stupid if it was a direct copy, good enough for Government work in this case. Ozy? Somewhere between Laurie's and "stupid." Everything else looks pretty authentic, and Night Owl's ship is pretty fuckin accurate as well.Would you be happier if they DIDN'T make the movie? Yah? Too fuckin bad, quit being a douche just to ruin our enthusiasm.Now I'll go cry because NO ONE UNDERSTAAAAAAAAANDS!!! *sob*
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I don't know a thing about Watchmen. I love the period piece stuff from the early 20th century time frame, but it is starting to feel very Dick Tracy. Don't get me wrong. DT was not too bad of a movie but it's not a movie i've watched more than 3 times either. I'll reserve judgement and wait for a trailer.
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...now before you all jump down my ass. Gwai Lo had it the closest. No one goes to the comic shop every Wednesday to pick up a stack of "graphic novels". A graphic novel is larger than a typical comic book...although sometimes collected issues ARE refered to as a graphic novel. I don't think it has anything to do with snobbery...it's just to distinguish...and sure it sounds more adult. That said, you're NOT a douche if you use the term graphic novel...you ARE a douche if you use it IN PLACE of comic book when comic book is more appropriate.
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...though I'm totally open to the possibility of it sucks. BUT, I likes what I see so far. And fuck...I LOVED Dick Tracy.
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Examples of excellent graphic novels are "Gemma Bovery" or "Tamara Drewe" by Posy Simmonds. These are proper grown up books about relationships, work , boredom and fame that just happen to be in the medium of being drawn rather than just written, not one superhero in sight. Please check them out, I can really recommend them. Also, if you liked Watchmen (and what's not to like?)have a read of one of Alan Moore's other books "The Ballad of Halo Jones", it's really good! And it's set in the future and lots of it is set in space so not too far out of a geeks comfort zone. But it's from a woman's perspective and really works. Also I don't think you could call "When the Wind Blows" by Raymond Briggs(about an elderly couple after a nuclear war) any kind of comic book, it's a proper novel in graphic form. And don't get me started on "Persepolis" by Marjane Satrapi or "Maus" by Art Spiegelman, these aren't books for kids.
Pester your local library to get them!! (or move to Sheffield in the UK, we've got them all!)
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at first I thought you were just picking a fight for the sake of picking a fight, but your explanation was kind of neat. as for me, i do say "comic books" when i go get the monthlies every week, but if a story is originally presented as a book long story (Goon: Chinatown; LoEG: Black Dossier and the like) then I call them a graphic novel... because they're novel length and, you know... graphic.
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we call 'em trades if they're thick because Graphic Novel and Trade Paperback are too long for us busy folks to say all the time, we love to talk so we save time where we can. However, when we go to the comic shop, we're going to buy comics, whether they be 32 pages or hundreds. Also none of us give each other shit for saying comic, trade, trade paperback, or graphic novel. We usually argue about whether Superman Returns was any good or whether JMS is the best or worst thing to happen in comics. (He's the worst!)
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JMS...in between best and worst with a hair over onto the WORST sideSuperman Returns....BAD.
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are we allowed to say "trade paperback" when refering to a collected comic book series? or do the "subjective-term-police" have a problem with that as well? geez. comic book = a single issue of a comic. trade paperback or grapic novel= a collection of more than one comic from a series. if you wanna get technical about it, calling a single issue a "graphic novella" would really be more along the lines of "snobbery". in fact, i think i'll start using that term. excuse me while i go pick up my stack of "graphic novellas" at the local "hobby shop".
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May 06, 2008 5:26:51 PM CDT
Joblo is a great site for the casual persective on film
by blindambition238
It lacks the absolute negativity or fanboyishness that pervades most of the talkbacks here, and has a more amicable tone to everything they do. Other than their 'writer' James Thoo, who manages to write something so asinine or retarded that make me go "What the fuck? Are you serious?" in every single article, they do a good job on reporting the news without provoking either side. Suppose thats a plus or con depending on the person.
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May 06, 2008 5:32:33 PM CDT
Also, 'graphic novel' always strikes me as a label for the insec
by blindambition238
I always refer to comic book as such. The label of 'graphic novel' always seem like some pretentious that people try to tag onto the medium as a way to make it sound more 'legit'. Anyways, to paraphrase Darwyn Cook, labeling comics as graphic novels is just a way for nerds to overcompensate for the gerne and connect it to the literary medium; really if comics were similar to any other medium, it would be film or television since its more visual that literary by nature.
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that genuinely think they are legitimizing comics by calling them graphic novels, but can we cool it with the conjecture? Find me a nerd reading a single issue of a comic book that says he's reading a graphic novel, then maybe you'd have some substance for your battle against these imaginary pretentious literati types. All the term 'graphic novel' really indicates is that it's longer than a normal, single issue comic book. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to sew patches on my tweed sports coat so I can head down to the coffee shop and tell my barista that I'm reading a graphic novel.
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Doesn't anyone want to discuss the movie and not something so pointless as what to call a fuckin comic. I am a huge comic book fan, and I really don't give a shit. Does Nite Owl really foil Ozy's plans? I really liked the original ending. And is anybody wondering where Doctor Manhattan is? They are probably keeping his appearance under wraps until later. Damn.
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I remain constant in my opinion that the film needs the same EXACT ending as the book, YOU know what I mean. Sure it would be hard to film and easy to mess up, but what are you Zac Snyder? a coward, someone without the cojones to film the ending shouldn't even think of doing this movie. It CAN be done, anything CAN be done. Don't chicken out. Think of it this way, you'll never get the chance to do an apocalypse by squid ever again if you miss this opportunity!!!! You'll have to go to your grave knowing what a glorious chance you missed.
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look about 3:21 into the clip and tell me if I am wrong. I don't remember a character with the same color scheme in the comic. But I've also been drinking.
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...like 300 and Sin City. Very cool experiments, both of them - but they were fairly dull movies. I regret to say that I walked out of both of them through boredom - though I'm a big fan of their comic versions. If Watchmen is to have any chance as a movie, it needs to work on its own terms - and needs to distance itself a fair bit from the comic book. It's not enough to do a frame-by-frame remake: hopefully Snyder will have learned this by now...
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Seeing that clip reminds me just how complex and big a Watchman movie really needs to be. Looks great so far. And once again, keep going in this direction and you'll make me as happy as when I nailed that stripper on her living room floor.
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It seems a shame that that Night Owl seems to have lost his middle-aged paunch, and that they've put him in a "dark" rubber suit. I thought the whole point was that he and his costume should look incongruous. After all, he's a washed-up, impotent has-been: pity they didn't have the guts to put him in kitschy spandex like in the comic version. Oh well.
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May 06, 2008 6:56:42 PM CDT
If anything is worth of the term "Graphic Novel" it's Watchmen
by mefrog
The writing in that book is superb, and the story is excellently narrated and told. Not like the trashy dollar comic books lying around that get all mixed up in their canon and stories trying to cash in on what was great years ago.
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But those first costume shots did have a really rubbery look to them, much like the Batman suits did. The video does give me hope, though, that they're going to get it right.
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The promo shots they released might be (for example:) the eighties versions of their suits, which would explain why Ozy hasn't heard that Batman and Robin killed nipples on the batsuit, and why Nite Owl isn't paunchy yet. Or they might be the current versions of their costumes, and in flashbacks they'll be wearing gaudier outfits. We've only seen one picture of each character, we don't know.
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Overrated my arse. Everything that I have seen related to this adaptation looks fantastic, but I do have alarm bells - How is it all going to fit in one 160 - 180 min movie? This really does call out for a HBO 12 parter or something - That being said, I'll be there on opening day, fingers crossed and hoping for a good movie. Bring on Walter Kovacs!!!
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...is the kind of debate that explains why, despite geeks' considerable validation as cultural taste makers and profit machines from television to film, jocks still give nerds wedgies.
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I'm less than impressed with the costumes. they look very blocky and generic, so I honestly get no visual concept of this world through the costumes. It's a shame, I won't rule out this moive but I'm definitely disappointed.
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There is no "current" version of these characters, the film (like the comic) is set in the 80's (with flashbacks in 50's and 60's). If those are the 80's costumes, Nite Owl *should* have his paunch, etc. Not to nitpick... I really do love where this film is going.... I just happen to agree something seems a little out of place with Nite Owl. The only explanation I can imagine for the lack of paunch (and looking half the age he's supposed to) is if that is actually the *vintage* costume, in which case the Joel Schumacher look is even more wacky.
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I have seen the 1930's era Comedian costume they are using and it is taken EXACTLY from the artwork, to the last stitch. So us sticklers for detail won't be too disappointed. :)
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he looks like ass.
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but I would volunteer to mete out some wedgie justice on some of these nerds.
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Hey now, nerds like us are why this film is even being made! :)
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I can't help but have a sickening feeling about this movie. I'm almost suspicious of the fact that they're going out of their way to show how they're "sticking to the source material". I think Underoos hit the nail on the head. There is something that smacks of Dick Tracy and I can't put my finger on it. I'll admit that I am from the camp that believes this should have never been made. And for those of you who say "fuck you Alan Moore", fuck you right back. It's his story and he has every right to shit on any filmed version since they have ALL SUCKED. "V" was just awful and all of the dread from the novel was diminished into some mall version of it.
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See all those eras in the video gets me pumped.
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Except that Watchmen ISN'T a graphic novel. It's a comic book that has been sold in trade paperback form for the last 20 years. It was originally released as one of those trashy dollar comics you seem to think are below you.
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It kinda ruined the video for me. Well, no it didn't ruin it but it was really anoying. Watchmen is looking great but there's a long wait ahead. I hope they don't show the whole movie in video journals, trailers and spots, like they did with Ironman (loved it). I stoped watching the promotions around TV Spot #4 or 5
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Damn them to hell! Everytime I see tidbits like this I just think "trailer? trailer?!" but NO it's just some shit about the set or costumes! Everytime! Sure, it's interesting and it's talent, but it'll be on the fuckin DVD anyway, this doesn't hype up a movie, it's the shit I want to see AFTER when the dust is settled and I go "oh yes, I remember this set from the movie, very nice, bravo". Who gives a shit now?!! Sorry..
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awwww....bummer
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if you read the original wachowski script for v, it did indeed stay with the source material...that changed with the suits, who felt that the movie had to relate more to an american audience (bullshit)...anyway, zach is in dread of a fanboy trashing...so much so, that i lay odds that the first screenings will be offered up to aicn and other fan blogs...so much so, that he is adding both "under the hood" and tales of the black freighter to the dvd
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I was very skeptical of this project but everything I see only gives me more faith in it. It could just be a good hype machine, but so far I think it's looking great.
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Ozymandias looks NOTHING like he does in the comic. Nite Owl II and Silk Spectre sort-of look like they do in the comic. The Comedian looks pretty close to the comic. Rorschach looks exactly perfect. Dr. Manhattan? Who knows? Maybe you should read WATCHMEN again, or at least take it out and look through it. Ozymandias from the movie looks like he is visiting from the set of BATMAN AND ROBIN.
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That's the only thing that keeps me from completely crapping on this. Snyder is going out of his way to show how close he wants to stay to this. This is starting to remind me of all the video that came out during the filming of the Lord of the Rings movies. I figure that if he was getting away from this he wouldn't be as open about the production. The only problem I have is that all the stuff we've seen is detail oriented. I think it's great that their taking this so seriously, but i have to see some motion and some acting before I make up my mind.
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You are correct. Harry needs to look at the book again and take a good look at Night Owl and Ozy specifically. He is way off on that one.
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That's the post-modern term for the single issue 24 page comic book... you fuckers. Damn I missed out on the pretentious douchebag nomenclature argument.
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I do
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over comics vs graphic novels. I had to go take three showers after just reading some of those posts.
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except he usually wears a loose purple shirt thing over the gold armor underneath. I guess they just decided to remove that. But you can see it yourself in the comic when he's performing the gymnastics on the television in Chapter Seven while Nite Owl's gettin some.
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Blenders?
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I thought we killed that conversation. Can we just talk about Watchmen please?
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Comic Book: Originally referred to a booklet collecting comic strips. Now generally accepted as a catch-all term for any single issue of a magazine filled with sequential art. Graphic Novel: a bound novel filled with primarily graphic elements. Can be hard or soft cover. Can be a stand-alone story compiling comic books (Watchmen), or a small chunk of an ongoing story (Amazing Spider-man Vol. 3), or even something that has never been printed as individual comic book issues. (I'm blanking on an example of this type right now, but I know there are plenty.) Trade Paperback: A printing industry (not comic book industry) term for when something is re-printed as a soft-cover book. The original printing can be a hardcover book, or it can be individual issues of a serialized story. If the soft-cover version is the first version ever to be printed, it can't be called a trade paperback. Trade paperback applies to regular novels as well, which is why graphic novel is generally the preferred term when referring to comic book collections. For example, those Harry Potter paperbacks with identical artwork to the hardcovers are trade paperbacks. The smaller, cheaper versions with no artwork and crappy paper are mass market paperbacks. I generally refer to things by the term I feel best describes them. I'd call Watchmen a graphic novel. I'd refer to a Spider-man volume as a trade paperback or even just a collection. I refer to an individual issue as a comic book, no matter what the content, and everyone I know would do the same. Saying graphic novel is a pretentious replacement for comic book is like saying DVD is a pretentious replacement for the word episode.
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Comic book, graphic novel, comic novel, graphic reads... Call it what you want to call it! Anyone with half a brain will understand and if on the off chance they don't it's a simple explanation.
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12 issue limited series comic book later collected in a single trade paperback volume, it's Watchmen. Because that's what it is.
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May 07, 2008 8:30:14 AM CDT
Graphic Novel = Comic Book, but Comic Book doesn't = Graphic Nov
by galactic
It's pretty simple. Yes you can call all Graphic Novels comic books but you can't call all comic books Graphic novels. Take the Dark Knight Returns for instance. Yes it's a comic book, but it's also a graphic novel.
It's like saying Punk Rock music and Rock music. One is a much broader term than the other. If you want to label Punk Rock music as Rock music you wouldn't technically be wrong, but you could get more specific with it and categorize it as something else if you want. -
It all goes back to this, I read a post saying Nite owl should look like Adam West's Batman... As he was drawn, yes he should. BUT how seriously could that character be taken if he looked like that? Honestly. So, yes, they tweaked the suits to make them look cooler. I can forgive that. So long as they nail the story and give us an ending like the story, I'm perfectly fine with some liberties taken in the look of a couple of the heros. Because lets face it, West Owl, See through shirt with a one piece bathing suit heroine, and gold mylar wearing super villian, really wouldn't have looked that great on screen. Now I still wonder will we be watching blue pennie bouncing across the screen any time Doc M is around, becaus I honestly think I'd laugh my ass off at that. Female nudity = very nice. Male nudity = comedy. At least the way I'm programed. call me immature, but that's me.
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It's such an important element of transferring that visual excitement to the big screen, while being mostly faithful to the source material.
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I agree they wouldn't have looked cool on screen--but that's kinda the point. Watchmen is, largely, about how ridiculous and kinda sad the whole drive to be a superhero is in some ways, and making NiteOwl in particular look "cool" rather defeats the point. He's supposed to be a maladjusted middle-aged man who can't get it up unless he's out there saving the world. Not that there's nothing noble or cool about him, but he shouldn't be Batman.
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Bat-nipples, and a shrimpy little actor. NOT GOOD.
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I thought that either the Comedian or Rorschie were supposed to be Batman?
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Your last post might just be the most annoying thing I have ever read here. INCLUDING some of Harry's reviews.
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Ha ha. kidding.
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Who cares who's watching the Watchmen if you can be hitting on THAT!
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