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Marvel Taunts Us!! IRON MAN Sequel Two Years Away?? THE AVENGERS In Three?? And, More!!
Merrick here...
Okay, if you were paying attention to the IRON MAN movie, you caught several references to S.H.I.E.L.D. - both oblique and pointed.
And, if you were patient enough to sit through the film's closing credits (or resourceful enough to track the footage down on YouTube), you saw a post-credits tag featuring Samuel L. Jackson as S.H.I.E.L.D's Nick Fury...attempting to recruit Tony Stark, and mentioning "The Avenger Initiative".
Yahoo Finance now brings us more information about how these teases may play-out in the coming years:
Marvel plans to launch its 2010 film slate with the release of the sequel, Iron Man 2, on April 30, 2010, followed by the launch of Thor on June 4, 2010. Additionally, Marvel is planting its feature film stakes for summer 2011 with an Avengers-themed summer – a two-picture project which will debut on May 6, 2011 with The First Avenger: Captain America (working title), followed by The Avengers in July 2011.
...says THIS REPORT at Yahoo Finance.
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Avengers will rock if Favreau directs
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I hope and pray this works out like they are planning.
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No wait, I guess it's not.
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I just mised it....
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Favreau deserves an oscar for his portrayal of "Stark Security Guard #3." I totally believed him in that role. Has he done security work before directing?
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and after tracking down the post-title sequence on YouTube (which is as easy as typing "Sam Jackson Iron Man" into the search), i say giddy up. "I'm here to talk to you about the Avenger initiative."
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Yeah, I wonder how they'll do Thor. Will they have Loki be central to the first Avengers storyline?
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bring in arsenal!!!, no dumb terrorist version of mandarin.
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Do you think anyone around the world will pay to see a movie called 'Captain America'???? Everyone around the world hates America and the general public assume(obviously it's not true but this is the perception) that Captain America is a jingoistic right wing redneck superhero.
The only way to do it is make The Avengers and make Captain America the focal point like the Ultimates comics. Then people will see what a cool character he is, that's he's not a blind patriot and then there is a better chance that people will pay to see a Captain America movie. This is just common sense. God. Some producers. They have no idea what they're doing.
Make Avengers and keep something special, ie the discovery of Cap(after the awesome Ultimates intro with the paratroopers mission, the book is right there, it writes itself, imagine that intro filmed like Saving Private Ryan), then the team is set up and they fight whatever the plot is. And then make a solo Cap movie(set in world war 2 or crossing between that and modern times. written by Ed Brubaker). Seriously I don't understand how you could not think this is logical. If you disagree with me Kevin Feige then i'd like to hear it, but as far as this goes I am a better producer than you. (yeah you were involved in Iron Man but I think that was Favreau more than you).
Smarter business move is definately Avengers then Cap.
This has nothing to do with the character, even if they made a political movie with Ed Brubaker writing and Cap being the hero he is and not a jingoistic jerry bruckheimer cliche, people around the world are not going to see it because it's called "Captain America". The brits, the Australians, the french. They hate the 'yanks'. Unless you show what a cool character he is in Avengers.
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So we'll have Ironman, Hulk, Thor, Cap... but who else I doubt it'll be 4 main people...
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What the hell are you talking about? The trailers look utterly fantastic. The Dark Knight will be fantastic.
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May 05, 2008 9:16:02 AM CDT
Fanboys on newsarama think negative opinion of America isn't rea
by messi
apparently the view of America from around the world is a figment of my imagination. 2 people literally gave me the "have you interviewed 7 billion people before" these are the same idiots who voted for Bush and still think the Tooth fairy will come to suck their cocks.
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Let's face it. Thor and Captain America aren't really the coolest superhero's anymore. And The Hulk is questionable too these days. But with the way this is all planned out it could generate enough buzz to get a lot of people on board to see it. I'm interested in seeing how this all plays out.
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really fucking hard to do in the "real world" universe of Iron Man that Marvel is trying to cultivate. any ideas how they will pull that off? Norse god? dentist with a stick?
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that the Hulk movie kind of starts the Super Soldier Syrum storyline. Thats what turns Emil Blondsky into Abomination in the upcoming movie. Anyone else read this?
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Betta Ray Bill!
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Cap is cool. Haven't you read Ed Brubaker's run? Voted one of the best runs of all time and it's onl up to issue 37 or 8.
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sucking my cock last night, then I'm starting to wonder who it was?!?
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Batman Begins, Hellboy, Spiderman 2, Superman 2, X-Men 2, Blade, Superman 2, Spiderman, Superman: The Movie, Batman. Ya'll are drinking the Koolaid. Ironman was good, but didn't blow me away and wasn't nearly as fun as Transformers. The first act draged, and the two things that made the movie good (RDjrs Wisecracks and the Ironman vs Arabs) didn't have enough screentime. Jeff Bridges, Gywenth Paltrow and Terrance Howard were all great actors with flat performances. "Next Time, baby" God, how I rolled my eyes at that one.
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It was that good.
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Where's the Spoiler tag???????????????????????????
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But there was no way I was going to pile into the theater with tons of rude flatulent people to spoil my experience. I am sooo tired of rude B.O. smelly, bad breathed, poot droppin', loud mouth, leave your fuckin' kids at home, get off your cell phone, you're not the director, arm chair quaterbackin' fuck shits.
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Did talks with Edgar Wright fall through or something? I was really looking forward to that one, not so much because of Ant-Man but, y'know, Edgar Wright.
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The Crow, Batman Returns, and Blade 2
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So who they gonna take on?
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cap movie needs to be before avengers, and this is why
captain america movie NEEDS to be WWII era film. have cap vs nazi's (and red skull of course) and have the movie end with him getting lost. then, epilogue (after credits), teasing to cap being found by the avengers and BAM! (THE AVENGERS - SUMMER 2011!). that gives the origin the most respect while also showing cap and america in a positive light saving europe from nazis. then, the avengers movie can be all about the avengers and doesn't need to be focused on any one characters origin wasting an hour of the movie's runtime. -
what? everyone loved that line, because it was an allusion to War Machine, or did you roll your eyes because you didn't know that and you're a fucking idiot? And Superman The movie better than iron man? Miss Tessmacher!!!! yeah man. ha. idiot. but yes not as fun as transformers but not better than Superman the movie is just idiotic. and holy shit I just read Superman 2. You seriously believe Superman 2 is better than iron man? What the fuck? That is an atrocious joke of a movie. You are Retarded.
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May 05, 2008 9:24:00 AM CDT
as much as i love superhero movies, an Avengers movie will suck.
by bmacsmith
you just know it.
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May 05, 2008 9:24:19 AM CDT
Whatever, I doubt all of this is happening.
by stereotypical evil archer
Sounds like movie market politics, not greelights with assigned directors.
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...THEN bring him into modern times with the first Avengers flick. Don't mix the two, lest ye taunt the ghost of Matt Salinger.
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Except they can do that after Avengers and set it in world war 2 and cross with modern times like Brubaker's run. It has to be made after Avengers because then there is a better chance of a sequel because people may actually watch it.
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at the end of the Hulk, after mr Banner has kicked the Abomination's ass and is still rampaging around destroying things, Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America will show up unannounced to save the day. Introduce them in the same style and abruptness that they did with Fury. Get the intros over with, set up their powers and the power structure of the team, lead right into the Avengers movie. it could happen.
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Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four: ROTSS, Daredevil, and X-men 3
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Maybe they are going to set the Captain America movie in the span of that fable Saving Private Ryan style WWII flashback. witht the fianlly being his loss at sea, and Avengers picking up with the discovery of his body. The Aussies don't hate us at all, where the hell'd you get that? I was there like a year ago. The Brits are a little punchy about the politics here, but not the people. The french... well yeah, they hate us. But they hate everyone who isn't French so to hell with them, their disdain is by no means reserved for us alone.
You are right about his presintation though, I don't think he needs to be Bruckheimer esque in his wholesomely goodness. Make him a soldier. Make him a product of his era, which will be more gung ho than most of us are now. Then it will be all the more glaring how different this all is to him in Avengers.
The answer to Cap not making as much money overseas is simple. He has no super powers, per se, just film it as a great period action flick, with no supervillians aside from maybe Red Skull. That would keep the budget down, and Marvel won't have as much to lose. -
imagine the movie opening with the hundreds of planes over the atlantic and then Cap in shadow and then everyone parachuting off into a saving private ryan style battlefield. And then Cap's first reveal when he lands on the ground. Filmed by Janusz Kaminski. That is how the Avengers should be done. And then Tony Stark and Shield find him.
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No, I get why the line was in there. The delivery of the line was lame, and not at all subtle. See Batman Begins as how to set up a franchise. And speaking of lame deliveries, SLJs "Avengers Initiative" line might be his worst acting preformance ever. And not liking Superman: The Movie is damn near un-american.
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Blade better than Iron Man = bad joke. Batman Returns better than Iron Man = hilarious joke.
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over Iron Man. That movie was marred with director/producer problems. If Donner would have stuck on and made the film proper, then you could count it. In my eyes, while it was fun, it wasn't a complete picture. I call it Superman 1 1/2. Otherwise, carry on.
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it's that patriotism, in america they hate that cheesy patriotism and dub certain films "typical american movie" or "too american" this happens to films by jerry bruckheimer with cheese and shit like when Spidey jumps in front of the american flag. It's not anti american sentiment(though there is alot) in the UK and Aus, it's that cheese patriotism. And obviously Cap isn't like that, but they don't know that, they will just assume from the title Captain America that it is one of those cheesy 'american' movies where americans 'think they're the best'. Of course if they see Cap in Avengers first then they might like him and go see a Cap solo movie.
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Check out the Donner cut. You'll be completely underwhelmed.
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This doesn't bode well, partly because, in their eagerness to cash in on Iron Man's current success, Marvel wants to spit out a sequel too soon. This not only fatigues the audiences and overexposes the character, but more importantly rushes the creative & production process - a major, major mistake (X3, anyone?). Successful, well-crafted films take some time, and Marvel should allow an extra year for the writing to be honed and everything be planned to the highest standard, instead of rushing to make a quick buck. Second, I'm not sure I like the whole SHIELD/Avengers plotline because it may remove the focus from Tony Stark and become about Stark working with a bunch of other superheroes...ugh, lame (ala JLA). It also removes much of the focus on reality this first film used to great effect and makes Iron Man enter fantasy-land, flying around with four other superheroes, saving the world for SHIELD *cringe*.
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Listen, I know we have to realeave our body of built up gases so that we don't blow our large intestines out and become septic. But do you have to bring your stinky ass to the cinema and drop doo doo bisquits where I am watching my movie and eating my popcorn? You know that us humans tend to breath in and out when we eat and the last thing I want is a big waft of burnt ass to coat my buttered popcorn. Damn it to hell.
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have you seen Superman 2 recently? I hadn't seen it in years and i saw it again about 2 years ago when i became a DC nerd and what a disgrace, I couldn't believe how bad it was. And maybe you should rethink that un american comment since i'm not american, hell i'm anti-american. And even then everything after Clark arrives to metropolis is a joke, the first half is a beautiful film, but once he gets to metropolis, i skip to the helicopter rescue scene and once he says bye to Lois I turn it off. The film becomes a joke after that.
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The Dark Knight Preview.
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May 05, 2008 9:36:50 AM CDT
sorry i mean in Australia and Uk they hate the cheesy patriotism
by messi
and the things they dub 'typical america'. etc
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How is the actor playing Cap going to feature prominently in two movies that come out within two months of each other?Also, wouldn't it be cool if Captain America came out on 4th of July weekend, or is that being too patriotic?And who cares is some of the world hates America.They seem to be more concerned with international dollars than they are with American dollars.The movie should be straight up pro-America.Forget what the rest of the world thinks.They'll either see it or they won't.Hollywood needs to stop worrying about pissing off the rest of the world, and be more concerned with not alienating Americans.
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is casting the right actor in the role. Well, a good story is the first step, but casting will be big. You need someone who conveys strength without being overly gung-ho. Can't go for a weak acting pretty boy, and a big name would definitely help. Is there any way we can get a cloned young Robert Redford made for this thing?
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If they ever (yeah, I'm deep into personal pipedream territory now) reboot the FF franchise I'd love to see it set in the 60s, shot with the glossy, Technicolor look of, say, "Down With Love".. crappy movie but if you've seen it you'll get what I mean. It'd be so cool to see all those Kirby-esque hi-tech Reed Richards made gizmos in action in a pre-hi-tech era..
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You're too hung up on my Superman 2 Typo...I called myself on it before anyone else could. But you have to admit, Ironman was far from a perfect movie, and I'm not sure if there's 3 or even 2 movies. They're rushing it, and "War Machine" might be a good plotline, but look how bad they messed up Harry in Spiderman 3. It's nearly the same concept. Who's the villian in movie 3? Mandarin. A hero is only as good as his villian. I've read for a week that this was the best SH movie since Spiderman, 4 star reviews everwhere. I just dont see it. Spiderman 2 and Batman Begins were clearly better, and no one is arguing that....
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Well, they can call it "The First Avenger" in foreign markets if they want, but hopefully it's just regular Captain America in the U.S. *** As for the logistics of an Avengers movie, it could happen, but if Marvel's smart they'd get some of the filmmakers who are working on their other projects to spitball ideas, like NOW, (Favreau, Norton, Zak Penn, Matthew Vaughn) about who the Avengers would fight, why they would band together, etc. That way, assuming the other movies have done their job of selling the other characters, some new screenwriter or director won't make a completely bugfuck story about Kang the Conquerer or something and undermine the other films' appeal. All I know is that Nick Fury should already know about Hulk and Captain America, since talking about a team ("the Avenger Initiative") makes no sense if the manpower isn't there.
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That's a dumb title. If you're gonna do a Captain America film, why not call it "Captain America?" Why insult him by referencing only his status as leader of the Avengers? I mean, he's his OWN guy first. Don't reference the Avengers in the title of Cap's debut movie.
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If seeing a character in front of a flag is enough to make them bitch in the first place they sure as hell wouldn't see a movie about Cap, no matter how cool he is. It just their perception. Hell his costume is the Flag, if they don't go for it. They don't go for it. Nothing wrong with a movie made for the US by the US if those people don't want to see it anyway is there? I just don't buy that anyone that biased to be utterly offended by a little cheese patriatism on our part will give Cap a chance anyway.
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Why are people so worried about setting this in reality? The guy builds a suit that flys faster than an F-14. How realistic is that, its a comic book. btw Iron Man is the 2nd best comic movie of all time, only second to BB!
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Is just what the genre needs. I'd go see that, and maybe that as a setup to Avengers is doable.
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I wouldn't say us Aussies like Americans. We like the people but not the country and what it represents and Captain America, prima facie, represents the country not the people.
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it just makes more sense. cap period piece in ww2. anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain silly.
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I know you parents out there beleive that you are smarter than most people that don't have kids. This is because you think that you have the inside scoop on how humans come into maturity therefore giving you access to the development of mankind. But if you're this goddamned smart then you would realize that mankind does not like, nor do they appreciate your dirty little kid running his spoiled little mouth continuously around adults who are watching an adult movie. Get it? ADULT movie not Hannah Montanah! Keep the smelly little brats at home or have them play in on coming traffic, but DO NOT bring them to the theater.
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But Iron Man was also very good...and more fun. When I get Iron Man on DVD, it'll warrant repeat viewings from myself and the kids. BB I've watched a couple times and don't imagine watching again for a while. I still hold Shellhead up there with the second Spidey installment. About dead even. Neither is a perfect movie, but both were good, and very FUN
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this is obviously a great place to start...hopefully they take more from the "ultimate" cap
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Sony, avi arad and laura schuler donner messed up Harry and spidey 3. But this is Marvel, they take their shit seriously, and Favreau is more in tune with Iron Man than Raimi was with Spidey. It won't be the same mistake. Already there are 2 sequels able, stark's alcoholism and rhodey taking up iron man in part 2, and war machine and the armor wars in part 3. And yeah i'd put batman begins first then spidey 2 then Iron Man.
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Marvel did the same thing after the mega-success of Spidey 1 (announced SPIDEY 2 immediately, to be released just two years later), and a lot of people think SPIDEY 2 came out OK! The key is keeping the creative team intact, which was NOT done with X3 but looks to be the case for IM2. Oh, and technically, Cap was the 6th Avenger...
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but that intro leads to avengers. what you wrote doesn't make sense. The ultimates intro is for avengers. how can they make that for captain america if he gets encased in ice straiht away, a cap mvoie would obviously deal with the origin. the ultimates intro is an intro for avengers, it was written and drawn like a blockbuster movie. and it works.
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I saw IM twice. Once on Thursday, at which point I deemed it okay for my nine-year old daughter. So I brought her to IM yesterday at a matinee. I couldn't believe how many parents brought their toddlers. We're talking ages 4-7 at a PG13 movie where guys are getting shot, tortured (waterdunk for Tony), and RPG'd to death. I just thought that was a bit dunderheaded. I covered my daughter's eyes during the brief part where MINOR SPOILER Tony rolls on the bed (and off) with that sassy reporter. I wonder how many parents bothered to check the rating before dragging their Oshkoshbigoshers to the show.
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Marvel may take their shit seriously, but they've gotten into the game way too late. All their top tier superheroes already have movies. Thor and Cap'n are big stretches. They're about to saturate the market with 3rd tier Superheroes, and audiences will grow tired of them quick.
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Do not bring your Iron Man comic book collection to the theater and sit beside me while you look for, then bust out issues to try and find the page that looks like one the scenes that just passed. And do not refer back to your Marvel Universe character charts to see if they go the precise weight and size of Iron Man right either. I accept nerds but goddamn it guys. Ease off.
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The Avengers movie would be a natural to introduce Captain America. He'd be the natural catalyst to bring The Avengers Initiative together- a leader. I'd stay as far away from the Ultimates Cap as possible (more "realistic" maybe, but the guy's a freakin' A-Hole). WWII flashbacks are a must - hell, personally I'd structure the movie like Godfather II, with as much of the film set in flashback as in modern day - and yeah, the paratrooper drop sequence from Ultimates would be pretty slick.
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May 05, 2008 9:48:42 AM CDT
I'm Hungarian, and even I got a boner for WWII Captain America m
by david cloverfield
It's not like Americans would win popularity contests around here (and It's not like our opinion matters) but if they make a Captain America movie with a fictionalized WWII, with super soldiers, occasional robots and shit. I want Hitler on a giant robot spider battling Cap.
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This is a democracy the country is the people. Maybe that is the problem. We see ours as our country. The flag represents it as it does us. No we do not all see ourselves as our government. I think thats where we ge offended when people lambast us about the flag and things like that. We love our symbols if not always our institutions.
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If the kid is well behaved most people do not care. But you know what? Most kids these days are not well behaved. I have been to a movie theater where the parents let the two kids run up and down the isles and open and close the theater doors letting light in and sitting through the doors slamming. I tell the manager and he said to me that he'd see what he could do but dealing with kids was a touchy subject. WHAT? Tell them to leave or control the kid. But I eally beleive those type of people are daring someone to say something.
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typing faster than i thought.
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... well he is, at least from Ultimates 2 onwards. Just stick with the original Steve Rogers. They should borrow Ultimate Cap's uniform though.
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but the fact is your government is your people and your institutions do represent your will. Their foreign policy is your foreign policy.
You can defend it as much as you want, but as someone who is outside your borders, I know what many people feel and that is they do not like the US as a country, while we do still like the people, a movie about Captain America, baring an act of godlike writing abilities will appear, act and seem like a movie that is fully patriotic to America. -
not the asshole from ultimates but the brubaker one. BUT THE INTRO TO ULTIMATES IS A MUST!.
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The Moon Knight vs. The Mooninites! Dr. Strange vs. Dr. Weird! Carl's long lost brother from across the pond is actually the Crimson Dynamo!
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Not many people side with Hitler. Best angle for a movie with "America" in the title.
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Come on Marvel. You know it would rock!
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I realize that maybe in some people's minds, "it's a superhero movie, so my kid can see it." But it's just not true. Especially these days. I mean, it says "PG-13". It's probably not for your 4 year old. I know YOU want to see it, but check the rating. It does mean something, ya know...
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He is often used to contrast the best parts of American history with the things we get wrong in modern eras, so he might work as much or more with anti-America people as he would with the Rah-Rah people. He often represents someone who is trying to get America back on course. He certainly has never been someone to ignore America's faults.
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i'll argue Iron Man is better than Spidey 2. Spiderman can toss cars and lift brick walls, but when he punches Doc Oc his fist doesn't go through his face? hows that?Iron Man had none of the internal inconsistencies that EVERY other comic movie has had, including the precious Batman Begins.
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We have the great four, Hulk, IM, Cap and Thor. I'm sure they will want to use other cash cows. Can they use Spidey and Wolverine? Blade maybe? What villains? Is Doctor Doom available or he belongs to Fox? Can they even mention mutants?
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for Thor, does that mean that they finally made a deal with Nathan Jones? Because anyone else would just be a waste of digital celluloid. Unless they really get Fabio.
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if the movie played on that heavily, that would be amazing. an idealistic patriot awoken in a dissolving and unideal America. i like that, and i think it would do well.
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please dear god have the Captain America movie take place during WWII and end with him being cryogenically frozen and then woken up at the end by Nick Fury...Cap vs the Axis!!
gatsby, I loved Iron man, but it did have internal inconsistencies...there were about 4 times when Tony went from 300 mph to zero with no ill iffects...(crash landing #1, the raptors and the flaps....). I wouldnt say it had no inconsistencies. -
Fuck. Even if they made the best political movie written by Brubaker where it shows Cap fights for the ideal and it comments on america today, people won't see it because of the title. Are you dumb or something? You think people decide what to watch once they've watched it? That's why it's smarter to put him in Avengers first.
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Anyone who's seen my past posts knows I'm no crazy uber conservative. But I am a vet of this war and they know where I stand on it. We dole out more money and resources to help other nations than any other country, the American people give individually to charities in the amount nearly equal to that the UN raises every year for the same labors. We don't like being told what to do and we never have. That is why we are not more involved with the UN than we are. We will give till our hearts bleed for anybody that needs it, but we will cover our own ass and interests in the process. We are an odd people there is no doubt. We have a pride that comes from being a young county. Do we swagger alittle? Yes.
Do we bitch about what the rest of the world does, supprisingly little. Are we culturally isolated? yes. We are giving and yet greedy. Protective and also expected to protect. But would we be the first to come Australia or any of our friends call for help? You know we would. Without a moments hesitation. And all we ask for, if not acceptance, than a little understanding when we make mistakes. We are fixing it. We made the mess now at least let us try to clean it up so that the rest of the world doesn't have to. But we are the biggest kid on the block and therefore the easiest target as well. We just take it all in stride, and really dot fret about what people think of us. -
So that's why the movie isn't as good as Iron man? because when spidey punches his face it doesn't go through his face, is that how you see movies? Fucking hell. Shut the fuck and watch the news. Talk about not being fun and a bore who watches movies.
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He's only second to like Silver Surfer in the Marvelverse, no?They should make a movie of Silver Surfer and Thor destroying things for 2 hours.That's all I did with a friend in that Marvel Ultimates RPG.
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After Iron Man, people were WAAAAYYY too excited about the hint of an Avengers movie. Like people where high fiving each other and shit, it was just embarrassing. I mean is an Avengers movie that cool of an idea? I really don't care for the super group of super heroes idea, I don't mind the teaming up of two of them, but as a group its kind of lame.
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May 05, 2008 10:17:53 AM CDT
Iron Man had a pretty damn big inconsistency
by smoke monster loves kate
How the fuck is Tony Stark not dead when the suit crashes into the ground at a high rate of speed? How does he not black out during those high-g maneuvers? They never even attempted to explain that. I was actually looking forward to a possible sci-fi explanation cuz the arc reactor thing was a good way to explain the rest of the suit's abilities.
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i didn't dislike Spiderman 2, i just appreciated Iron Man's ability to stick to is own rules. i put spidey 2 waaaay up on my list of favorites.take some valium, dude. chill out.
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all those great heroes and they still cant find a way to film them? if it hadn't been for Nolan they would still only have Nipplebatman to show. maybe they like not making money or something.
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I actually really like the Captain America character in the Ultimates. He was the perfect symbol for Americans during early 20th century, then he's unfrozen and so much has changed that he finds it difficult to adjust.
He wants to be, and to some still is, this symbol of all that's good, but his views are incredibly old fashioned and conservative. The America he fights for is no longer the America he remembers, for better or worse.
It'd make an interesting change in the Avengers film when viewed against the character in the WW2 setting.
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This is sounding way better that Teen JLA movie. With Samuel L. Jackson, Norton, Downey Jr. part of the cast already. All Justice League has is the dude from the O.C. and Common.
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have you read Ultimates?
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Adventures in Babysitting BITCHES!
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Naw can't say I have. I am way behind the curve when it comes to the Marvel world. Maybe if was born around the time Marvel started I would be into, but it seems like way to much to just pick up. Isn't there some web site that has like a giant web showing how all the characters are interconnected?
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That's the way to do a Multi-Superhero film not this CW Justice League. If Faveru is on board for Iron Man 2 and Avengers then he'll be one busy dude.
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Thats exactly what a Captain America movie should be: a love letter to the greatest generation and the pioneers of the past, a wake up call to the apathetic generation that forgot what kind of values and actions it took to be great, and a promise to other places that we'll still try to be better than we are and continue stand up for all those noble things that used to be synonymous with the name of America.
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Ultimates came out in 2002. I am posting the first issue. Ultimates is a modern cinematic reimagining of the Avengers. Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch created it as a movie version of The Avengers.
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Wikipedia is your friend if you want to brush up on your comic-fu.
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one of the greatest runs ever.
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NEXTWAVE FILM. NOW!
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So the planed Avengers is going to be from the Ultimates. Because I thought the Avengers was an old thing? Right now I am reading Civil War.
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Ultimates is an alternate universe with a more realistic take on marvel characters and more cinematic take, ie they don't wear flashy costumes. Everything is more adult. If the Marvel U is PG then the Ultimate U is PG-13, the Ultimates themselves are the Avengers.
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mat mc for cap
downey iron man
jackson fury
norton hulk
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perhaps he could be involved
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When people say this move was good that means this other movie will suck. Because as we all know…it is imposable for two movies about super heros to both be good. Dumbasses.
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For the people that stayed, we all loved it. People cheered it. Such a cool scene for a great movie to have. Even if these people never read the comics or know who Nick Fury is, it's pretty hard not to like Samual Jackson in a cameo like that.
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seems ideal, since Cap is basically the first Avenger in the comics, and he has a history that starts long before any of the modern heroes. (Cap's starts in WW2). So it makes sense to have his movie out before the first Avengers film.
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Let me add my "ditto" to that collection. You could make a real bang-up WW2 flick with Captain America that would be a lot of fun. You even have the perfect "after credits" sequence: his being awoken years later by Nick Fury et al.
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Batman Begins (OK movie although the ending sucked major Sphincter), Hellboy (No complaint here...this is a good adaptation), Spiderman 2 (good although a bit over-rated), Superman 2 (childhood favorite...does not hold up too well now), X-Men 2 (good, also a bit over-rated), Blade (hated it when I first saw it, it has grown on me a little like a fungus), Superman 2, Spiderman (good origin movie although I HATE HATE HATE Power Ranger goblin), Superman: The Movie (number three on my list of best comic book adaptations), Batman (this film has not aged well at all!) The Crow (one of my personal favorites), Batman Returns (Danny DeVito and Chris Walken hammed it up waaay too much), and Blade 2 (OK, althought the CGI was atrocious in spots).
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Because if he appears in any of the films he'll likely demand to write and/or edit the film. As opposed to just acting.
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once inconsistent notion. all the sudden obi can use the iron monger suit with no problems? i mean tony had to go through some a hardcore learning curve, meanwhile obi is running the company, selling weapons, visiting afghanistan and still learns how to use the iron monger suit with no problem. i loved everything in the movie, but that puzzled me. maybe someone will have a good explanation...
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I raised that issue in my original review last week. I think it was the TB for Capone's review. I wondered how Tony, who built the armor, takes time to learn to use the armor. Obidiah, meanwhile, climbs right in as soon as SHIELD comes to arrest him, and he's off and running (literally) without a problem. It didn't blow the fun for me, but it was a hiccup in credibility.
In order to power the Iron Monger, Obidiah had to wait to SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER steal Tony's heart. So it makes sense he couldn't "practice" in the Monger suit. But that doesn't explain how he's able to SPOILER pop Tony's ARC heart inside, jump into the suit, and tool around town in it without a problem. -
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you're missing the point of what I'm saying. In regards to a Captain America movie, it will be looked at as propergandaism. As people outside the US do not like your government's policies, this movie will suffer from it at the box office. Which was the original point.
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The monger was more of a walking tank than a suit. It was also built for mass production and sale, the utherefore se of it would need to be more simplified, and less customized. He may have had enough technical knowledge himself to understand the construct of the suit and its working, if not the ability to build it himself the way Tony did. Of course thats just my take on explaining, "How the Hell'd he do that." It was kind of distracting either way.
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obviously he didn't know how to use it as well as Tony, cuz Tony beat him.
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Thank fucking god, someone actually gets what I was talking about. It doesn't matter if the Cap movie is good and talks about modern america etc just like Brubaker's run, people overseas won't see it based on the title. But if they see Cap in an Avengers movie first and see how cool he is and what he's like, thers a better chance of a solo cap movie actually making some money overseas.
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McConnaughy is very fit, at least he was as of "Sahara" a couple years ago. But Cap isn't just fit, he's insanely ripped. At least after the supersoldier serum he is. INSANELY! I can't think of anyone offhand who could pull off both the 1) acting chutzpah that Downey brought to IM, plus 2) insane muscularararar ripitude that Cap demands.
Oh, and Jon Favreau if you're out there reading, I once again offer my stand-in services for Mr. Downey for any IM followups. You can kick my ass, do whatever. I'll stand in and take the hits for Downey. But at this point, I'll have to dye my hairs at the temple (gettin' grey). I suspect Downey had to do that also. So there. -
And you guys for the most part probably aren't going to like them.
First off, I saw Iron Man yesterday at Regal in Lexington, and it surpassed all of my expectations. Completely surpassed them. It was the finest superhero film I have ever seen.
Then we come to Thor. Worst idea for a comic ever. Thor is not a superhero. Thor is a god. And there is no way this character can be brought to the big screen while maintaining any type of coolness or sense of awe. There just isn't. We'll have Iron Man, Hulk, and Captain America, and then we'll have this blond guy with a hammer and wings on his helmet speaking like a norseman, or worse yet, in the King's English, talking about Odin every 10 minutes. This cannot be good. I'm scared of a Thor movie, and even more scared of Thor in an Avengers movie.
And moving along those lines, let's just come to terms with something. I know that in the first Avengers comic, we had Wasp and Ant-Man. We can't have these characters today either. When Stan Lee and Kirby made this comic, it was a time when anything like this would draw a person's attention and expand his imagination. So the idea of these little superheroes was fine. Today's youth, though, wouldn't be even slightly interested in seeing characters like this in a movie. That's just a fact. And I don't want to hear about any adults who would want to see it for nostalgic reasons. Let's just forget about it and find characters that are more dynamic, and more interesting. -
sorry to piggy back on your thought, i didnt see your review. but i am glad i wasnt the only one who thought that was weird. i mean, i really cant complain, i think it was pretty much the perfect superhero movie right next to spiderman 2.
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Superman: The Movie and The Rocketeer. Hands down.
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I would also consider Sin City (and 300) as some of the best Comic Book adaptations, but I tried to list plain old Superhero Movies. The Crow and Blade were stretches. What was wrong with the Batman Begins Ending?
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...and the one after that. What do we have NEXT summer ? (I've...er....forgotten)
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he didnt beat him because he didnt know how to use the suit. tony beat him because he was smarter. tony in the iron monger suit would be obi in the mark III.
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Robert Downey Jr. really made "Iron Man" as good as it was. The casting of Captain America and Thor are even more crucial because those characters are inherently sillier than Iron Man. Let's hope the producers think outside the box when casting these characters and go with actors on the level of Downey and not just some models. I would rather the Hulk not be involved with the Avengers at all (I always thought that his involvement was ridiculous in the comics). The new Hulk movie looks better than the Ang Lee debacle, but the CGI still makes me cringe.
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I agree. The monger suit was more akin to "robot jox" than just a guy in an armored suit. Which for me begs the question even more about how Obi was not only able to SPOILER jump right in and "pilot" the thing around, but also fight a mark 3-attired Stark AND get the upper hand.
Can anyone answer this for me, the one thing I still have a question about: Was Stark's damaged human heart ever replaced entirely by the ARC devices? SPOILER when Pepper lends a "hand" and puts the new ARC in Tony, the socket in his chest suggests that there's a sizeable space in his chest where the (human) heart would be, and where the first ARC heart went, not just an electromagnetic disk on the surface of his skin. What was up with that? Clearly, Stark and that doctor Yentsin dude could not have performed a heart transplant in the cave, but when Tony / Pepper remove that first ARC heart in his workshop basement, that socket is a good 4 or 5 inches deep and at least 3-4 inches diameter. -
that is, tony in the monger suit would "beat" obi in the mark III
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Nothing. After this summer, we can kill ourselves. Or hang out to see IM2
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My opinion is he is our hero. One talor made for us. I would even sugest as I said above in the post that people who have a problem with the country will not give the charater a chane anyway. So why bother worrying about it. Read my posts from earlier while talking to Messi. You don't like the country or the culture fine, we don't care. Don't see the damn movie. But let us at least work the character out as he represents us, I see it very much as INWOsuxRED put it and blindambition238's statement "Thats exactly what a Captain America movie should be: a love letter to the greatest generation and the pioneers of the past, a wake up call to the apathetic generation that forgot what kind of values and actions it took to be great, and a promise to other places that we'll still try to be better than we are and continue stand up for all those noble things that used to be synonymous with the name of America. " is spot on in terms of the character I see. People will see the name though and not give it a chance one way or the other, so why not make it the way we see it; for us and let the rest of the world choose to see it or not. Their loss if they write it off as something not talored to their view.
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Yep, and I'm sure other geeks caught it, too. I mean shit, it took me a good couple weeks to drive stick shift with any amount of competence. It would take at least as long to master the motor skills in an armored suit, PLUS operate the weapons systems.
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CAP IS NOT A RIDICULOUS IDEA WITH STERIODS NOW ADAYS. IRON MAN IS MY FAVORITE ALL TIME CHARACTER, BUT THAT SEEMS A BIT MORE ABSURD THAN A SUPER SERUM INJECTED INTO A SOLDIER.
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for me? SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
In the comics, Tony is not publicly Iron Man until "Civil Wars," right? BIG SPOILER BIG SPOILER SERIOUSLY So in the movie, was Favreau speeding things up a bit by having Stark "out" himself at the end like that? Or did I miss something? -
A movie for him has been long overdue, He is probably the biggest badass of them all as well as the most conflicted...A Brubaker style movie just made me go into convulsions
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"Shia to play Cap'n Merica with Bernie Mac as a wise cracking Tuskegee airman / sidekick."
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i didnt like that either, but figuring a part 2 was already planned i didnt think too much of it. but as far as i knew, it wasnt until civil war that he was out as you mentioned. i'm no expert, but i am sure a wikipedia expert will be able to answer it shortly.
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Originally, Iron Man was a bodyguard/corporate mascot for Stark Industries. Then Tony revealed that he was Iron Man. Then he became secretary of defense. He made some deal to not be in the suit anymore. Convinces the public that its someone else in the suit, then the Civil War stuff happened.
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X-Men 3 was fantastic! But your point about not rushing sequels just to keep the gravy train going is legit, and I would hope the studios have finally learned their lesson. Silly of me, I know.
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without the explanations for everything, just the actual events. ;p
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It should be a WWII movie about him tracking down the Nazi war criminal, the Red Skull. The final showdown would take place above the skies of the Arctic as Cap tries to stop Red Skull from launching a Doomsday weapon against the US. Cap the sacrifices himself to save the day, falls into the icy cold of the Arctic, frozen. Then you have his funeral, with Bucky speaking about how brave and noble Cap was...fade to black.
70 years later....
The final 10 minutes of the movie show Cap's body being taken from the Arctic. We then watch as his body is warmed and an electric charge is run through his body to restart his heart. cap opens his eyes and looks up to see none other than...Bruce Banner.
Cap grabs a hold of Banner, thinking he's in a Nazi lab or something, demanding to know what's going on.
We then hear a voice off screen...
"I'd be careful not to upset him Captain. Dr. Banner has quite a temper."
We then see Nick Fury come into view, and he explains what happened to Cap and what happened in the war. We then discover that we are inside S.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters, and Fury tells Cap that a new threat has risen to threaten the peace and security of the world.
They walk out on to a balcony and look down to see Iron Man, Ant Man and Thor looking up at them. Fury asks for Captain America's help and Cap agrees. Fury then gives Cap his shield and says:
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Firstly I have to say that I have wood over this. Despite what you people think Captain America wont flop since it has 'The First Avenger' in the title. I think they should just introduce Cap in the first Avengers movie but whatever I'll roll with it. And America isnt the most hated country in the world. Take all the countries who hate America, now add America. Thats how many people hate the British, and rightly so. But this is irrelevent. Cap will sell, Avengers will rock., Ant Man wont, I have Wood and all is well.
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i'm not a giant Iron Man geek, but as far as i know you are correct: Tony didn't out himself until Civil War. But i liked it. the whole secret identity thing is overdone, and way too Bruce Wayne.
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The ARK runs the elctromagnet that keeps the shrapnel out of his heart, his heart is still there but it has shrapnel.
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I had wood over this news about 5 minutes ago, all good now!
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nice recap.
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The original cold fusion experiment in the 1980's involved a palladium matrix to contain the hydrogen. The "arc reactor" is a cold fusion power generator, tho Favreau and the writers are too clever to identify it by that name. Well done. Iron Man's armor is powered by hydrogen fusion. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion
Now as for the high-gee flying maneuvers, the old squeezing-longjohns trick is how its done in the real world, so I assume Stark has similar in his suit. Now. Hitting the ground at 200 miles an hour? Getting kicked by an exploding missle? Being punched into a bus? Not a chance. He dead. -
No kidding... Ant-Man and Wasp are completely unnecessary in an Avengers film, and I can't disagree with your assessment of Thor, but perhaps handled right it'll work.
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You could make him a la Terminator endoskeleton (shiny chrome), face like General Grievious, and try to get Gary Oldman (with some FX processing on the vocals) to do his psycho voice. An onscreen Vision would be badass too...Ralph Fiennes as Vision.***********Thor would not work as a movie...too clumsy, but I'd love to see Beta Ray Bill onscreen.
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you're not very smart are you. I love Cap, brubaker's run is amazing. I'm worried that because of a solo Cap movie before an avengers movie it won't be given a chance solely based on the title and people not being exposed to him, thus there won't be sequels because Marvel won't find it viable. but if people already know cap through avengers(talking overseas people) then there is a better chance of the film suceeding and thus one day we might just get a winter soldier movie.
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put simply even a cool and neutral intro in an Avengers movie would not make people over seas any more likely to see the solo movie later. Because there view of us is their view and they simply won't see it. In that vain why should Cap be reverted to a US neutral standing. He is a thawed out WWII comando. He would still see us as great, as honorable, and to see that we are not up to snuff with those expectations and hopes of what we could have been. That will be heartbreaking, and there in is the drama. Cap is our nations conscience right or left, correct or wrong, he is that little voice that doesn't always agree with the actions we take. But he will see us through as best he can and represent America as it should be not always as it is. To make him any differently for higher international box office is unfair to the character.
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first villain should be Kang the Conquerer or the Chitauri, but then they'ed have to introduce black widow, hawkeye etc. well if Mark Millar could do it in 13 issues, i'm sure they could do it in a 2 hour plus movie.
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.already know about Captain America?...The guy has been around for over 60 years, Make his own movie first. Your approach would be cool as well, but the guy has so much great material outside and previous to the Avengers that it would do the character as well as the rest of the Avengers injustice to include his origin/introduction in an ensemble movie...Marketing wise your idea would most probably be better, but since when do us fans of the genre put that as our priority ;) ... ohhh by that time everybody will have seen the previous movies and what they're leading up to, if not, the marketing teams will remind them and do a good job of tying everything together and telling the audiences why they CAN'T MISS seeing Captain America... All i know is, we're the winners here. Everything is shaping up great and Marvel has got balls in comparison to DC's Justice League.
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That's what I thought, too, but when SPOILER Peppers helps him out in the shop, it's revealed that the ARC heart appears to be a larger device and takes up more space in the chest (in that socket) than would, say, an electromagnetic disk on the surface of the skin.
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Hahaha! Its a good time to be a geek!
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Warners Bros. sucks.
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Nough said, bring more IRON MAN! Great movie
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Funny you should mention it, because SPOILER, the bus Iron Monger tosses Shellhead into was a hydrogen-powered bus. Said so right on the side. I was expecting a bigger 'splosion from it.
I agree that Ant Man Henry Pym might be a "useless" villain for an Avenger movie, but think about it. Tiny or giant-sized, imagine the fun to be had.
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So please feel free to kiss my ass. In that reguard my opinon for the hundreth goddamn time is Avengers first Cap first it won't matter. the negative view by oversea markets will persist based on name only of the character. The sum fewer or more people would be inclined to see it on priciple if he were in the Avengers first. He will be dismissed as propaganda either way. I loved the brubaker run too. But how about keeping personal commits limited to those who shot at you first.
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Agreed. Just the "opening salvo" of dialogue in the humvee was great, with Downey saying shit like SPOILERS "I feel like you're gonna drag me out and snuff me. C'mon, you can laugh. It's okay. Forest. You're kidding me with the hand up, right? Omigod, you're a GIRL. Didn't see that coming." I imagine he ad-libbed a lot of the funnier, smarmy stuff, and that Favreau (wisely) kept a good amount of it.
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Uhh no. They already have source material which is better than what you posted. First they should kill Bucky so they can make Winter Soldier in 20 years time(ha), but this is how Cap's awakening should be. to be honest it should end in world war 2 and avengers should start with the final mission from the intro to ultimates.
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Is he contractually obligated to do an Avengers film? Because I have a feeling after this whole public dispute with Marvel, he's not exactly chomping at the bit to work with them again...
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As much as I'd love to see Cap kicking the shit out of a robot Hitler I think the only way this film will work is if it is set half and half, modern day and WWII (with the Ultimates begining) In fact, the first Ultimates Book has an amazing way of dealing with Cap (Man out of time, clash of old values and new, patriotic american, confused by modern policy etc.) and it wouldn't be too hard to adapt it without first releasing the Ultimates, sorry, I mean Avengers film.
The important question is who to star as Cap? I'd love to see Patrick Wilson in the role, although thinking about Cap, he may be a little too old though.
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About two years ago I went and saw Flags of Our Fathers at an 11:00 pm show. Expecting not many people in the theater, I was flabbergasted when I saw a young married couple with their sleeping child in tow who couldn't have been older than four. For the first 45 minutes of the movie the kid slept, but once the battle of Iwo Jima broke out, the kid started crying his eyes out. This wouldn't have bothered me so much if the parents took their kid out of the goddamn theater but instead they just sat there. What kind of fucking parents not only take their kid to an r rated war epic, but don't take him out of the theater when he starts crying? Fucking people.
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May 05, 2008 11:44:38 AM CDT
Is their anything mutant-like on the horizon beyond Wolverine?
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Is Wolvering the last of the X-Men movies?
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Any news on a Thor script. Harry mentioned that he liked it in his Iron Man review. Any one else have any information on this? I’m interested and shit-scared at the same time over this proposed Thor movie. And let’s make Captain America, Captain Canada to modernise it since patriotic American movies don’t sell well overseas. Just look at Pearl Harbour and Independence Day. Oh wait....
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How cool would it be for there to just be little references to other Marvel charcters in the Avengers film like the headline 'Mutant blamed for big explosion thing happening' on the Daily Bugle Stark's reading in once scene.
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Thor can be done really epic and good if it's set on Ashgar , think about it, GREEK GODS, POWERS, HEAVEN HELL AND EARTH THEME, put LOTR, Legend, 300 and ad super powers., they just need a director with an imagination a nice budget and loves comics,(THOR).
Also it doesn't take two years to start getting a second movie ready for production. you just need writers that can write, care bout what they write the first time using the source material , that should only take 6 months at the most, thought I still can't see why 3 to 4 writers need more then 3 or 4 months to complete a script, COME ON PEOPLE IT'S 30 DAYS IN A MONTH!!!! it don't take writers that long to write a full season of law and order........ -
people around the world don't hate America. We just don't like the policies of your government.
Captain America, if done well would be a world wide hit. Set it in WWII, and have Cap start out as a propaganda tool for the allies. Have Roosevelt and Churchill want Captain America to be the poster boy for the Allied war effort, whereas cap himself, and the military want to actually use his abilities to fight in the war, not charm the press.
Play into the conflict between the politics of war and the reality of war. Then have the military go against the wishes of the politicians and send Cap after the Red Skull.
Show Cap as soldier, as a man wanting to do what's right, a man wanting to fight the enemy and have him try to distance himself from being just a propaganda tool, wanting to prove himself as more than just a symbol for the press to cling on to.
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Pearl Harbour didn't have America in the title and independance day was about an alien invasion. fucking moron.
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that's what i've been saying. failure = no sequel. do the smart business move and introduce cap in Avengers.
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it's because of the name you ass. people will think it's a right wing film about how cool america is etc. That's not what Cap is but people will assume. It won't do well in the UK or Australia, that's for sure.
"Show Cap as soldier, as a man wanting to do what's right, a man wanting to fight the enemy and have him try to distance himself from being just a propaganda tool, wanting to prove himself as more than just a symbol for the press to cling on to." - people don't know this, they will only know this if they go see the movie which they won't based on the title. is it so hard to fucking understand? -
They already wrote a script which was highly acclaimed(including on this site) and Matthew Vaughn is attatched to direct.
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Since everyone is talking about kids in a movie theater...
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I've got a good one for you.
First, I'm a parent. When I take one of my daughters to see a movie, I find out about it, and make sure it's appropriate for them. They don't go to movies that are inappropriate. Also, if there is a movie I really really want to see, and it's not a kid's movie and I don't have anyone to watch my kids for me, I just don't go see it. I'm not so selfish that I'm going to drag my kids to a movie that might scar them just because I want to see it.
That being said, I saw Starship Troopers when it was out in theaters. I knew ahead of time that this was an ultra-violent flick. I'm sitting there, and in walks a family of 4, a husband and wife and 2 kids. These kids were young. The boy appeared to be around 8, and the girl was around 6. I'm thinking, "you jackasses, be parents and do a little homework before you drag your kids to a movie that is going to scar them for life."
So, then the movie was over, I wanted to watch them as they left (and yes, they stayed for the whole movie). The father had this look on his face like he had just been kicked in the nuts. The mother had a look on her face like she was going to kill her husband when they got home. And the kids were wide-eyed and looked like they were scared shitless. Nice. -
The Marvel way! If there were just four maybe it could work,I guess Iron Man Thor and Cap. but they don't all need movies. I never really liked the Avengers. Marvel should go back to producing decent cartoons instead.
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people with open opinions like vadakinX will see cap overseas, people like SirFlibble will not. Reason vandakinX is willing to look objectively at the character. While others will say "PROPAGANDA!!!," no matter how he is brought to life, and dismiss it. The film will have an uphill battle overseas reguardless. Put it a a mid budget and hire a damn good director and I good star, a true big name celebrity would only muddy the waters. Hire someone like Downey who is a great actor, but not a household name. The movie will make bank if handled right. All I'm saying is don't expect an international hit and don't rearange the character to get one. budget accordingly. Not every Super Hero movie needs a 200 million dollar budget, nor I think would Cap need one to get that gritty Saving Prvate Ryan look. There I'm done on the matter. I'm going to lunch.
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I need to see this Thor Script for approval....By Odin Beard where is it? lol....
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Forgot about 300. That one was a good adaptation as well. As for Batman Begins, I just had a hard time swallowing Jim Gordon flopping around in the BatMobile like a bumbling idiot. I didn't like the "I 'm not gonna kill you, but I don't have to save you" line he gave to Ra's Al Ghul. Batman would have have had his ass locked up for his crimes. Batman has even tried to save the Joker even tho JokeMan killed his parents in the first film.
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The Mark Millar/Bryan Hitch Ultimates run is one of the best comic book series in recent history. If you're really interested in a good yarn with all the fixins, go buy the whole damn thing right now. It's practically a graphic novel of how the new Avengers movie can work and function in a way that will please the modern audience, while still tending to the needs of the comic book fan. And I agree with the Captain America in WWII idea. It really seems like the only way to do it for me. The only time he should ever be in modern times is in an Avengers movie. I think hiring a big name actor will detract from the believabilityy of the character, but that's not the thing I care the most about. What I would love is if they found someone who can exhibit the qualities of a 30s man, while still maintaining an appearance of athletic prowess and skill on the battlefield. It is something they really nailed in the Ultimates comic and I can only hope they get it right. I don't know how the fuck they are gonna do Thor, but good luck. Maybe set in modern times with lots of Beowulf-esque flashbacks (sans CG characters of course). I wants me some Frost Giant smashin!!
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I completely disagree...maybe it won't be a huge hit in the Middle East, but I don't think the name is going to stop people from seeing the film elsewhere.
It's all about how Marvel market the film. If they have posters and trailers with Cap in front of an American flag, being labeled as an American hero, fighting for American values, then yeah, maybe people will be reluctant to see it, but if they market it as a story about a soldier fighting to win a war for the common values of all humanity, then I don't see the problem.
People are a little more sophisticated than you give them credit for. The idea that everyone will stay away just because the guy has "America" in his name is ridiculous.
People aren't stupid. I think they can tell the difference between right wing American propaganda and a comic book character.
All three Spider-Man movies have shots of Spidey in front of a stars and stripes, being shown as a hero for America, yet they made lots of money. Transformers is a US Military love fest, yet it made a lot of money...the trailers for Iron Man show Tony Stark saying "that's how Dad did it, that's how America does it" when talking about the approach to warfare....yet it's making a lot of money.
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I'm not saying Cap isn't cool... just going off the general public. They're both going to be a hard sell, Thor especially to the average American viewer. I'm not well versed in either characters story but it sounds like I need to start doing my research.
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If the trailer and posters show enough glitz and explosions etc I don’t think the title would put people in Britain off seeing the movie. American patriotism is something we are all used to in our summer blockbuster and it doesn’t putt us off at all. We don’t like it of course but it doesn’t stop the movie making money. I used two films with high levels of patriotism as examples of how it’s the norm for Hollywood movies. That said I still wouldn’t be surprised if they changed the title overseas like Die Hard 4.
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And over here when Captain America was shot dead in the comics it made most newspapers. Cap'n has a huge following here.
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people are oversensitive mush heads. The same audience that Gi Joe had its balls removed for. I love you for not being one of them, but even for Iron Man we've got people whining that it's propaganda and racist right on this site just because it has afghanis in it. Whiners who are probably white themselves. Haha. They can't accept a bad guy that isn't white even though Obadiah (evil white business man) was obviously the main focus. We've been brain washed by political correctness.
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There is hope. They did cast Jackson as Fury, after all. If they're smart, they will get Mark Miller involved. If they're dumb, they will base it on Ultimates 3.
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FOR ME TO POOP ON! I can't believe someone mentioned "Batman Begins" and "good superhero movie" in the same post. What a pathetic turd all of Burton's Batman flicks were. And I was in the seat the first night for all of them. I agree with the poster who said they should set Captain America in WW2, with a prologue of him being found by the Avengers (or at least Fury and Stark). Then go right into the Avengers with Cap having to assimilate to modern America. Could be an AMAZING flick if done right.
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May 05, 2008 12:42:06 PM CDT
santi01, re: Avengers/Iron Man/CAP References in HULK
by renonevada2000
Check this report out-
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the good things about America or what it strives to be. And the character always tried to live up to it or work towards it. He went against the Government plenty of times before as I suppose is any American's right to do so. So it's an idealist character in a time like WW2 I do think it could work so long as the writing is thought out and not lazy. Thor is much weirder to translate! I don't think he should be treated like a superhero at all. It should all be mythology with him.
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Fuck Yeah! Comin again to save the motherfuckin day yeah.
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The Comic book geek in me squeals with delight at the prospect of an Avengers movie. The Film Geek in me thinks the Ultimates would make a MUCH more compelling film. Here's hoping they incorporate some Ultimates stuff into the Avengers movie.
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Okay I really need to start reading the entire talkback before I post. Ahem...dahveed1972 is RIGHT about Knuckleduster bein' right!
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I dug your "ending" to the Cap movie.
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The guy above is spot on: Thor is inherently silly and will only look sillier when translated to the big screen as a live-action flick. I dunno how they pull it off
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Now that would be cool. My favorite comic of all time (I know it will never happen - I still can't believe the Avengers will!)
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Triple H - is it any more obvious?
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50-cal shots and other bullets didnt penetrate the mark I, but the suit exploded upon impact with the sand...hmmm. maybe i missed something there.
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How about getting a REAL actor?
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c'mon merrick, how about a spoiler warning? haven't seen it yet...
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That game was awesome, even if it did lack the Punisher.
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That game was awesome, even if it did lack the Punisher.
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Starship troopers eh? Try sitting through a couple hours of The Two Towers with the family circus and their little screaming bundles of joy. This one time these 2 tweens were behind me and talking up the whole time so I farted really fucking loud on 3 different occasions. The last time was a screecher/whistler (impressed myself even). They were unavoidable. You can also use my patented "Knuckle-slap" to quiet unruly kids. Simply make a "slap" hand and then bend those knuckles in and voila...KNUCKLE-SLAP! Anyway, this little rat faced fucker kept on and on and it became obvious after the first direct fart attack failed. I quickly spun around in my chair with a knuckle-slap and knocked the noisy little tyke unconscious. It was wonderful. I would have poured my extra-caffeine Mr. PIBB on his fucking sleeping melon head but valor got the best of me and I placed half sucked lime juju-bees from the floor over his eyes.
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harry as speed racer is really creepy...especially with that chubby ham of an arm waiving back and forth.
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What exactly makes Triple H qualify to play Thor? Because he would look cool in a Thor outfit? Be careful what you wish for. Anybody remember a little movie called Blade Trinity?
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George Eades from CSI (plays Nick Stokes). He's already played the 'real' Capt America in the Evil Knievel film. I think he's got the look (just dye his hair), and he's got the attitude. As long as Cap it portrayed like Lt. Winters in Band of Brothers, the character CANNOT fail.
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Dude, if I were a producer, I'd hire you now. Shit I'd hire you yesterday. I want to see that now!
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Maggie is beautiful.
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you know we'd be watching Iron Man vs. a jobber next Thursday on WCW Thunder.
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Forget any hopes of foreign box office. So give it a lot lower of a budget than Iron Man (I read $180 mil somewhere for that? No more than $90 mil for Captain America).Tackle EVERY SINGLE CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE POSSIBLE HEAD ON. Give it SOMETHING. Make him go on long (okay not long, but succint) yelling tirades about this shit that people in the theater can either clap or at least respect his passion.And of course don't be afraid to show that American values have differed from WW2 and now... a good exit strategy for issues TOO controversial.
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There was a bunch of plugs and wires laying on the ground that were attached to iron monger. Perhaps the reactor in the other room was powering it so they could test and practice with it. Of course he needed a smaller one so he could take it out of the building and make it actually useful. Also did'nt Tony have a similar suit in Afghanistan that he controlled just fine at the beginning of the film with no practice. Perhaps lumbering forward, punching & flying straight up is a little simpler than the mid air acrobatics Tony can perform with the mark II.
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Just keep it primarily in WW2. A superhero running around Europe circa 1940s... that'll be a pretty damn unique appeal right there. You could market it internationally as exactly that... an american superhero during WW2. Everyone loved us in WW2.
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May 05, 2008 1:37:22 PM CDT
Aaahh!!! Its an American Flag!! Oh, No! What will the world thin
by diagnostic
Grow some balls.
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Really? People are bitching about some of the villains being afghanis?! Where'd you see this? Ha! Guess what peoples--some of those terrorist dudes in the middle east ARE bad. Remember 911? Take all that PC bullshit and flush it straight down the toilet. Then reach in your medicine cabinet for a reality pill
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footage on youtube yet? I want to see the money shots for free.
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Has somebody already said this? No?
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"All three Spider-Man movies have shots of Spidey in front of a stars and stripes, being shown as a hero for America, yet they made lots of money. Transformers is a US Military love fest, yet it made a lot of money...the trailers for Iron Man show Tony Stark saying "that's how Dad did it, that's how America does it" when talking about the approach to warfare....yet it's making a lot of money." Seriously I continue to think you are retarded. There is a difference between shots of spidey in front of a flag within a movie towards the end of the film, there is a difference between using the military in transformers which was only a part of the story in a movie which grabbed people because it had giant fighting robots, and the quote from Iron Man is supposed to be satirical since it shows what type of character Tony is at the start. You compare all that to a movie on the screens that people decide to see in the UK called 'Captain America'. Son, you are not very intelligent.
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thank god you are not a producer, if you can honestly say his stuff was better than the already written Ultimates which I posted pages of, then you are fucked.
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I'm a foreigner and I think Captain America's got everything that is RIGHT about the US. Cap is OK on my book. The perfect anti-Bush.
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That a very cool superhero movie comes out, yet we geeks can still find points to argue over and discuss. Guess things aren't so bad in the world if this is this case. Sigh...might be a very good summer.
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why were no longer allowed to be proud of our flag anymore? There is still alot about our country we should be proud of. (F Bush!)
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For your consideration, the Jericho...(stands back and spreads arms in a Jesus Christ pose).
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The Cap movie absolutely HAS to involve flashbacks to WWII...its too much a part of that character. They need to make it look like Saving Private Ryan crossed with a Tom Brokaw book. And then,by all means,show Cap waking up in a modern world where all that has been forgotten...a world with bullshit wars and phony presidents and people who just dont care. Then,when Cap is at his lowest and wondering why he ever woke up,bring in The Avengers. Thats how you make it work....The Avengers need a leader and Cap needs a purpose. And I dont care which version they use,they absolutely MUST include the line from Ultimates about the A on his forehead not standing for France...
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Two years is too soon (although Spider-man 2 was terrific) generally and I do not want to see Marvel commit to tentpole dates and then turn out crap like X-men 3. I would rather see Ironman 2 in 2011 and the Avengers pushed back to 2012 if need be.
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For some reason, that just strikes me as very amusing.
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I'm British, and I love the concept of a Captain America flick. I love it for the simple reason that the character harks back to a bygone era, that he has a firmly trenched system of values and morality. The core of the character is something who fights for what is right, even against his own government if need be. He won't side with an evil regime, no matter whether he's a patriot or not. He believes in the ideals of freedom, liberty and justice, and opposses all who stand against them. He's a good man with a superpower, and refuses to abuse it. How can you hate someone who cares so much about people having choice and equality that he will actually refuse to become a government employee and a sanctioned superhero?
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the only problem is MARKETING Captain America, not the character. the character rules, if people actually come to the movie, they'll love him.in fact that's the other problem. Captain America would make America and Americans today look very bad because everyone's gonna wonder what the hell happened to those values that he embodies. he's fiction, but those values weren't.Okay, let's not turn that into a political debate, but you can't argue with the fact a lot of foreigners are gonna be thinking that way.
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If he really worked the hell out for a few months, I think Rick Schroeder could pull off the Cap. He is the Lee Majors of the 00s. Get on it.
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Cap has been around for 60 some years. He is not an unknown quantity. Superman is practically swathed in the flag (truth, justice and the American way - ring a bell?), and it has not stopped audiences from seeing it - they just did not want to see a crappy Supe Returns. Sure, there will be people who will attempt to use a Captain America movie for their own points of view. Let them! The producers would practically KILL for that type of publicity!
If the movie is good, people will come out and see it. Controversy drives audiences.
Remember the Passion of the Christ? You cannot find a more controversial topic than religion, and look at the box office!
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also espoused "American" virtues. That guy was Superman. But I think most people (myself included) can disassociate Cap and the values he represents from the US government that doesn't necessary live up to those ideals anymore. I think the American people, in general, DO. The depiction of Captain America should still be consistent with ideals of democracy, fairness, freedom, etc. even if Bush and Co. are anything but consistent with them.
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An estimated total of 210 million copies of Captain America comics have been sold in a total of 75 countries worldwide.
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I have heard from various sources that the worldwide anti-American sentiment IS a huge reason why we havent seen a Cap film before now. What people and the studios need to realize,is that Captain America represents the very best ideals of the American dream. Hes not a reflection of current american political policy. Hes a reflection of The Greatest Motherfucking Generation. Cap is what the rest of the world used to think America was all about. Cap is what the rest of the world WISHES America was still about. Captain America is not a symbol of the Bush administration-hes a symbol of the Nazi punching,flag waving,freedom loving American Dream. And thats something the whole world would pay to see. Nuff said!
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I want it
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What I said, you said better.
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about your question about Stark's 'secret identity': Stark was revealed as Iron Man quite a bit before Civil War (in the 90s I believe. Could be earlier). He's gone through stages when he was publicly acknowledged as Iron Man, then "retired" so people would think he was Iron Man anymore. So the comic has a constantly changing status quo as far as that's concerned. Now, post Civil War, the world knows Stark is once again Iron Man. However, I think it was a brilliant and energetic move to rush to that point of revealing his identity. First, it separates IM from standard superhero cliches about 'secret identities.' It's essential for Batman (and even Spiderman to a degree), but it's not for Iron Man. We don't have to worry about stupid scenes in which his identity may or not be revealed to the public. The writers can move on and do much more interesting things that haven't been done to death in every other superhero film. It also is a great character move, because it reveals Stark's vanity and his desire for the world to know that he is a superhero. It places him front and center in an international scene, and by him outing himself that puts him in a further position of power. And it's a great, energetic way to end the film.
On your earlier note about kids in the theatre, I found it funny that you covered your daughter's eyes for the relatively benign bed scene but not for the scenes of torture, violence, deaths, and dramatic scenes where children are crying and screaming because their fathers are getting shot. Gotta love the American double standard about sex and violence. -
There, I said it. You know it to be true.
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With an Afghan Bucky, Nic Cage as the Red Skull and Chow-Yun Fat as Nick Fury! Let's just PC the shit out of it and sell the merchandising rights to Taco Bell!!!
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and I loved that movie. But come on. If Spiderman's not candy, I don't know what is.
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I found it funny how that line was tweaked in Superman Returns.
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Thanks for the explanation about the identity thing. It does SPOILER make sense and should make for some fun in any sequels. I, like you, can buy that Tony would want to publicly redeem himself as a 'good guy' the same way he helped cause the problem as a weapons mogul.
The bed scene was "benign," but I knew it was coming, so I covered her eyes. The torture / violence was tame enough and bloodless enough for an older kid, like my daughter, but I'd have ruled it out for anyone much younger. At nine, my daughter hasn't had 'the talk' yet, so while she does not 'get' sexual intercourse, she does know that there is violence in the world. There may be a double-standard in America, but I don't think that has much to do with it. Now, if the film had shown an up-close shooting with blood, I would have either covered her face for that or (more likely) not have taken her at all. The part where SPOILER Iron Man targets the six or seven bad guys with human shields was an iffy call for me, because when you condense it, Iron Man basically shot those dudes (cool!). I could play that off as "Oh, he knocked them out with nerve darts." But if that scene had been bloody, it would have been too much. I guess what I'm saying is, I know my kid better than anyone, and I know whats she's able to process and comprehend, and I know what things I'm ready to explain to her and what things can wait a year or two. Sex can wait. Mild violence...well, it's in the news everyday. Harder to avoid.
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Superman Returns = beef jerky
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When I got into comics I had no desire to read about Captain America. It seemed like a lame concept. I was not interested. Until I read about him in the Avengers. What a great character he is, and not what I expected. After reading the Avengers I became a big fan of Captain America and started collecting his comics.
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"I can jump! I can kick! I've been working out! Look!"
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Triple H is THUNDARR the Barbarian!! With Umaga as his trusty sidekick Ookla the monk and WWE diva Melina as Princess Ariel. That'll put some butts in some seats!
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a.k.a. Captain America
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is thats a double origin story. Think of it. We hate origins. they are slow plodding things. If you intro Cap first get the WWII backgroud and freezing established and then jump to Avengers you can start and Run with the man out of time aspect and team formation and first mission, rather that flashing back constantly.
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He would make a great American hero!
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May 05, 2008 2:41:55 PM CDT
Ant-Man will be part of it too. What else does the future hold?
by strosmer
Edgar Wright is doing Ant-Man. We may have more than 4 Avengers assembled in the first movie. And once it happens will they explore a cosmic storyline? Things are brewing at Marvel Studios and I have a feeling we'll begin to see as much crossover in the movies as we will in the comics. Marvel wants to do comic books as movies. That may sound unfeasible economically, and I'm not saying we'll see monthly episodes, but with special effects about to plateau, the cost of producing convincing CGI will only get cheaper, and we'll start seeing these movies get churned out on a more frequent basis, perhaps one every year or two per character (granted it'll take some time to get to that point). If successful, I wouldn't be surprised if we see something along the lines of an epic crossover in the works (Infinity Gauntlet without so many characters?), probably within the next 10 years.
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It has nothing to do with the Captain(that's how much I respect a fictional character) as a character, he is one of my favourite characters and one of the most inspirational. Even if they did get what Cap is all about, and the movie was written by Ed Brubaker and it was a political drama set in World War 2 and filmed like Saving Private Ryan and it shows Cap standing for the American Ideal and not the government. People overseas are still going to assume he is the government lackey since his name is Captain America, they are going to think he's a cheesy independance day "usa! usa! usa!" type character. On various message boards not related to films and comics they were discussing comic book movies and some people talked about how lame a Captain America movie would be, even though they had never read the title, they just assumed he was that false patriotism-america is the best type character. That's why, if you introduce him in Avengers, and you show what he's really like, people will say "ohh he's someone who stands for the ideal, he even says it" and then they see what a badass he is and how heroic he is, then they will pay to see a solo Cap movie. Maybe a Cap movie before avengers might make some money, but there is a better chance of it turning a profit and guaranteeing a sequel if it comes after Avengers, after he's been introduced. Then hopefully one day in 15 years they make Captain America: Winter Soldier.
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film it like Ultimates, maybe a little flashback, ie quick cut scenes of Cap's injection. I mean Nick Fury and Bruce Banner would talk about it. Then show the whole Cap story in a Cap movie after Avengers.
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It is already going to have so many things going on, so many characters, and personalities, does it really need Cap's origin too? Avengers needs to be the pay off for years of expectation, it needs to be action packed, and show all the team at their most powerful. It is the pay off for all the origin movies we needed to sit through to get to the main event.
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Look at him in the TDK trailer. That guy IS Steve Rogers.
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The critical snubbing, audience boredom, and box office bombery of SR pretty much says it all. On the flipflip, the outrageous success IRON MAN -- both in terms of box office receipts AND near universal critical and audience praise -- says all you need to know about the film. To whit, SR sucked-ass, whilst IRON MAN rules. Its the new big deal mainstream popcult hit ala Spidey and XMen.
Look, face it, SR was a shit, boring, over-self-important, gay cokebinge recovery movie, from a director who has completely lost any talent he may have had -- having snorted his way to mediocrity and creepy trailer sex with underage malaysian boy prostitutes. It was a bad, bad, bad movie. I have no doubt that someday, someway, someone will make a good Superman movie, but first they have to jettison Singer, and jettison the entire Donner canon EXCEPT for the theme song and some of the set design stuff. They can stay. -
fucking hell, read Ultimates. The first arc was 13 issues which is about 2 hours screentime and managed to introduce about 11 characters and have an epic climax. I said it can have a quick shot flash cut, you know like Wolverine in the X-men movies when he remembers Weapon X. And have the lunch scene of Nick Fury and Bruce Banner talking about the serum, that's 5 mins tops. How is that too crammed?
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You know it. She's perfect.
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Dude can act as shown in Running Scared. he's 6'3". Huge. Martial artist. But needs to work on the voice. So he sounds convincing when he screams "Sit down Soldier!".
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Leaving the X-Franchise, or making Superman Returns?
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You need to be more explicit in your description of SR. Did you like it or not?
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without calling him Captain UN. You'll see when G.I. Joe the UN years tanks next year. Rambo (4) made more money internationally than it did here, and he's seen as the ultimate symbol of America by many overseas.
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He is their leader and he needs more than a 10 second Wolverine style flashback.
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will he be in Iron Man 5?
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I'm from Brazil and I read Cap since 1991. Believe me, a good Captain America movie would make sucsses in the entire world.
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Make it so.
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I'll be surprised if they keep to this, but they sure feel confident after Iron Man opening weekend. I hope Incredible Hulk doesn't deflate many of these plans.
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Are you kidding? To do a decent job adapting that... decent, all the characters are going to need to be established before you through them together, or else its going to feel like X-Men. Sure you can read 13 comics in 2 hours, maybe if you don't look too long
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nuff said
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C'mon I know you have them.
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I only saw one episode. The one where Superclosetcase jerks off on Seaman's chest. It was pretty awful.
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Blackest Night!!!!Lame. Anyway. Iron Man was fucking great. If this is a sign of what MARVEL FILMS is capable of...then color me impressed. Handle your own properties guys. Find the creative film making teams and stop giving shit to Mark Steven Johnson to make a quick buck.
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Iron Man=Cheesburger. Spot on! Yeah, I'm totally with you on the 'knowing what your kid can handle' thing. As evidenced here, I often think parents are incredibly responsible with how they approach things. But I also don't necessarily support a blanket of condemnation of letting kids see stuff. I appreciate people who do research, know their kid and his or her limits (plus what you want to expose them to), and make an informed decision. I remember taking my stepson with his mother to see AI back when it came out. I was worried about the whole 'abandonment scene' but it was really the Flesh fair that freaked him out (because he couldn't make the distinction between robots being destroyed and people getting hurt. Which is kind ironic considering the theme of the film and particularly that scene). Definite lesson learned that day. Now, with my 3 year old (who's obsessing over our Annie dvd), I guage her reactions carefully and check in with her as she's watching something ("Is it scary?"). I haven't taken her to a theatre yet and I may still wait a few years. I was surprised that she enjoyed the Sarah Jane Adventures and could handle the funny alien suits.
Anyway, I appreciate your thing with the 'eye-covering,' but let me suggest that perhaps that behavior could backfire. I'm not making a judgment or anything, but it's possible that hiding presentations of sexuality could unintentionally create a 'forbidden fruit' type of thing (you know, the more one keeps things hidden away and 'forbidden', the more one endows these objects of desire with an 'aura' or value way beyond what they need to have), which might lead to unhealthy and repressive views on the one hand, or reckless, rebellious behavior on the other. I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong or that you should sit your kids down in front of a porn and explain. It's just something to think about, because I've witnessed such a thing happen many times when parents overcensor things (candy, television, nudity, sex). For myself, my wife would often tell me that my visible discomfort at a kissing scene (for instance) was broadcasting to my stepson that this was something to have worry and fear around. Which is not what I wanted to teach him. God knows I had enough Catholic guilt issues as a teenager. I certainly don't want to pass them on to my kids. Hopefully, parents don't use movies to teach their children about sexuality (or let the schools do it, frankly). -
I wanna BE that guy!
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Red and Yellow can be put into film and look good. Right?
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1. a bag of pubic hair 2. a hammer 3. Jessica Simpson 4. Harry's wanker 5. Corky 6. Corky's wanker... The only thing I can think of dumber is the idiotic cunt up above that said SR is meat and potatoes.
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Johnson and Zack Penn don't need to go anywhere near these new flix. Raimi needs to take a break, and Singer... he just needs to stop really. We need true Marvel versions of Spidey as a smart assed wall crawler, FF that actually have some real character, and do Dr. Doom right!
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not to mention the fact he had completely shitty X-men costumes to boot. For a fag that guy sure can't dress his "heroes" worth a flying fuck. You'd think he'd be more imaginative instead of being the lazy snatch that he is.
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be the Hulk?
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Way to go.
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Batman Begins: Bad fight scenes, Gordon drives the Batmobile, cliche car chase scene.
Hellboy: Poor pacing, Bad puns, Everything explained to audience proxy character, Final fight was dumb.
Spiderman 2: On par with Iron Man.
Superman 2: Oh, jeez. Where do I start? Memory-wiping kiss, teleporting, big plastic-wrap "S", cheeseball Luthor prison escape ("did you go 'psst'?), Superman getting laid, and so on. (BTW, I love the movie, but it's not superior to Iron Man).
X-Men 2: Halle Berry (where's the accent, Storm?), Rogue does NOTHING, whole focus was on Wolverine, Stryker not a preacher but a soldier/politician, Jean dies in a FLOOD? (It did have an awesome opening scene with Nightcrawler in the White House, though.)
Blade: Doesn't count. It's a horror/action flick, not a superhero flick. He doesn't wear a costume, doesn't have a secret identity. Even within Marvel, Blade is not considered a superhero, but part of their old horror comics lineup. Either way, it had a lot of weak dialogue, but it DID improve the comic book Blade quite a bit.
Superman 2: You already said that one. You're counting it twice? Please don't tell me you meant to say Superman 3 or 4, either!
Spiderman: It was good, but the compromises made it less loyal to the comics than Iron Man. Examples: Power Ranger Green Goblin, organic web shooters, Goblin dies after his third fight with Spider-Man, and the loss of many major characters that appeared well before Mary Jane was a romantic interest. Good movie, but I would say it's only on par with Iron Man.
Superman: The Movie: Excellent flick. Unfortunately, it was a bit slow-moving and had a dumb villain plot-- Lex Luthor's real estate scheme. The deus ex machina at the end (spinning the world backwards?) was pretty lame. It also suffered from WAY too much comic relief. It's a classic, but as a comic book movie it was not exactly true to the source material.
Batman: I assume you mean 1989, and not the original 60s Batman movie. Either way, they're both campy, schlocky flicks. Burton's Batman is horribly dated, and screwed with the origins of the Joker in an unforgivable way (Joker killed Bruce's parents!) - Batman killed more people on-screen than the Joker did. Batman relied on his gadgets more than his skills. Alfred revealed Bruce's secret to a woman he had a ONE NIGHT STAND with. Gotham looked ridiculous. Gordon was useless. Batman couldn't turn his head. Batman used EXPLOSIVES to kill people. Batman made it his GOAL to kill the Joker-- not capture; KILL. Jack Nicholson basically played himself in white face paint. The Joker died after his first real confrontation with Batman. And on and on.
In my opinion, Iron Man, Spider-Man, and Spider-Man 2 were all about the same level (Spider-Man could have been better if they hadn't mucked with so much of the source material). No Batman movie thus far has captured the Batman of the comics; They only expand on the TV series version of Batman (ie Batman as a version of James Bond in a bat-suit). Superman has come close, but was hindered by lame resolutions.
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In the first Avengers comic the Hulk, manipulated by Loki, must be stopped by Thor, who is then joined by Ant-Man, Wasp, and Iron Man. Will Iron Man don the Hulkbuster armor? That's what I'm excited to see in the new Iron Man films - his mods! I guess we won't see Loki (a good thing) as the appearance of Captain America is already throwing off the actual origin story (also a good thing).
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My guess is that they made Jarvis a computer voice so as not to do an exact copy of Michael Caine's Alfred. Given the surface similarities between Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne, they wanted to eliminate that factor. Though it would be cool if there's a flashback to Jarvis being Stark's father's butler. One of the neat little themes in Iron Man that not many people are talking about, and that was mostly developed through Downey's performance, is his almost affectionate relationship with technology (which the Jarvis voice also represents). That Stark has forged these emotional connections to machines because he's been so isolated from human contact. The perspective shot of the 'smiling' robot hand isn't meant to suggest that we should see this robot as human in some cutesy 'Short Circuit' way, but that Stark sees it that way because of his experience. This theme that is further developed by the fact that after Stark becomes essentially a mechanized hybrid (mechanical heart, Tin Man, hello metaphor! - sometimes I imagine that Stan Lee actually knew what he was doing), Stark dons a 'de-humanizing' suit that further limits his human contact, but that, (iron)ically, he uses to actually make contact with humanity, helping people, etc. Which is another reason why Stark's coming out as a superhero at the end of the film makes sense. The more I think about this movie, the more I love it.
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May 05, 2008 4:02:47 PM CDT
Iron Man= snow cones with crack, SR= hot fudge brownies with hem
by teethgnasher
There, I said it. Only different.
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why Spider-Man 2 is held up as the model standard for superhero films? The plot is basically a retread of the first film (father figure goes insane due to Frankenstein-esque messing with science and technology), there's practically no character development from the first film, the villain had little to no motivation, and the film's plot makes absolutely no sense (let's stop a nuclear reactor with the power of the sun by, um, drowning it?). Granted there were a few cool sequences, but the battles were painfully cgi, and Spidey continued to be angsty emo boy instead of the wisecrackin' webcrawler we wanted. I still say Maguire was horribly miscast or at least the character was not written like he should have been. I think the perfect Peter Parker would have been Nick Brendan (Xander from Buffy), or someone like him. Or someone written like Xander. There's pain and depth there but hidden behind the wisecrack. And say what you will about SM3, but at least it was about something. There was at least a consistent theme that showed some growth from the first film. On the other hand, I feel like this depiction of Tony Stark is an almost pitch perfect adaptation.
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A "Captain America" film would be a great opportunity to make a film with depth and subtext, the irony of the American Dream. Visually, it could be equally brilliant. But I know Marvel will hire some "Yes-man" director with no real vision of his/her own to turn out a comic booky popcorn movie for the masses with Cap throwing his shield and mouth-frothing fanboys whooping and hollering "Fuck yeah, baaaby!!!" And an Avengers movie? I can see the horror already. At least I still have DC...
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it must be a period piece, with the teaser after the credits having the avengers finding him encased in ice....just like the comics...and it will work...as for stark coming out at the end of the movie...no, it still doesnt make sense...does anyone think that stark will be taken seriously as an industrialist if everyone knows that in his spare time he fights baddies? its why the bodyguard story always worked...
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...because he is The Boss.
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Tobey SM never came across as a funny smart ass. Tobey SM seemed angsty all the time.
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have different titles. One title that would probably work well would be "What ever happened to Captain America?" because it captures the idea that America isn't what it once was, while still identifying the character and some of the basic plot. From there you've got "The First Avenger" title they've been running with, and just dropping the Cap title, even though I don't think that would be necessary. That assumes that overseas markets aren't capable of understanding that Hollywood movies are from that place they hate and they either like or tollerate the United States in their entertainment enough to see a good Summer movie.
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When does Marvel get the movie rights for Spidey?
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Has no balls to make a Green Lantern movie. Any word of a Wonder Woman movie?
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you are aware that the design for gotham was taken directly from the dark knight returns...right? and why doesnt anyone ever place darkman on their list of best superheroe movies? it is without question one of the best...
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I will not watch a Captain America cries over what his country has become. I want a movie about timeless universal values.
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I thought it was universally agreed that Huge Cockman was the perfect choice for Wolverine.
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Mr. Rock Salt.
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Is basically a version of the Mutant Act from "Days of Future Past" from X-Men, or the outlawing of costumed vigilantes in "Dark Knight Returns" or "The Incredibles." In Civil War, all super-heroes must comply with regulations set down by the U.S. Government, in essence, they must work for the government. Iron Man is on the side of the Feds, Captain America is on the side of those opposing the new Act. They lead both sides and the Marvel Universe chooses sides, and a Marvel Super-Hero Civil War errupts.
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Now that was funny.
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The new Flash Gordon was shit, in no small part due to it's limp dick portrayal of Ming the Merciless as a boring bureaocratic white guy and none of the majesty and imperial authority of the original character. They turn Ra's Al-Ghul into an Asian character (or at least one guy who claimed the name), yet we can't see classic villains with a similar appearance? Shit! Everybody likes the villains better anyway, so don't fuck him up like the Fantastic Four fucked up Dr. Doom!
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And Cap gets assassinated.
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Simple, direct and funny. When it works it works well. When it doesn't you look like an ass. From you're approval I'll take it as the former.
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His Magneto dripped with the love for the cock that consumes the actor. Mags was never supposed to be a frail old fuck with a penchant for boytoys. His helmet was gay enough, though that wasn't his fault. He's gay and that sucks, but its cool that I say that cuz I know gay people and stuff.
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...the American Reality. How does Captain America fit into that spectrum? Does he uphold the Dream set down by our Forefathers or is he a blind agent of the current administration? Is he Jefferson Smith (Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) or The Terminator? Or is he both? Or do you simply make a film set in a world as pure and innocent as a Norman Rockwell painting? I think both films could be equally poignant. I'm not asking Captain America to give up anything. I just don't think Marvel has the balls to make a truly different controversial visionary film that a subject like Captain America begs for. I think they'll go for pleasing the masses on this one...
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You ruined the Equilibrium mythos! Seriously, the greatest handle of all time. Kudos, kudos.
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May 05, 2008 4:35:50 PM CDT
PEOPLE - If you try to make Captain America into Redacted
by quin the eskimo
it will fail horribly.
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He loves that slow motion flag waving stuff.
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I was laughing my @ss off at the comments you left regarding the kids in the theaters this weekend. I have to say I caught the show at 6:30pm with my friend Vicki and I was shocked how many kids there were between 4-7. One is too many. You know what though....it's not their fault. It's the parents. Anyone with two eyes can look up the rating on the paper and get a brief synopsis of why any movie is PG-13, and to be honest, it shouldn't matter.
These "adults" take their kids in so either a) we can babysit them while they irresponsibly leave their children alone, or b) don't know that when a kid won't stop talking (again, he/she is a young child, so it's almost expected at a loud movie) to take the child out and go home. The same thing happens at church or at grocery stores.
What gets me is that the parents must think , "Man, I can't just leave, I paid $15 for these tickets." So did everyone else pal, and to be honest, your $15 experience is ruining it for $2000 worth of other tickets. I really think I didn't have as good of a time as I could have if the kids weren't constantly making noise.
I'm glad I was raised differently to have a brain.
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He would have made a fine Captain America if he were. I know what's inevitably going to happen, an Austrailian will do it. Mark my words.
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May 05, 2008 4:47:14 PM CDT
I live in a red state where people bring beer and small kids to
by teethgnasher
You "people" are elitists. Pure and simple.
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a movie without "Mommy, that man walked out the door! Did you see that? Mommy, that man said something funny! Mommy, that car went really fast! Did you see that? Mommy, that was funny! That was funny, huh? Did you think that was funny, Mommy?" Needless and / or obvious comments about everything in a movie have no place in a theater during the movie. That's what talkbacks are for.
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Might as well be your theater. NOT.
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Damn. Now that would be jacked up. I could just see some Marvel Redneck giving his child some Mountain Dew before the movie starts.
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Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, Thor, and Nick Fury? That's pretty fucking rad. I hope all the films are as good as Iron Man (and Hulk looks pretty damn good too). Go Marvel Studios go! Stick it to the man!!!!!
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Don't forget that Civil War's registration act also recalls a similar event in the past history of Alan Moore's Watchmen. For non-comic geeks, Civil War is a post 9/11 (it came out in 2006) take on an old issue (vigilantism vs. public safety). In the story, we see Stark negotiating with the government, who want to impose regulations on superheroes. Stark is against this, but as a pragamatist, he sees where the wind's blowing, and tries to minimize the damage by putting himself in charge of the registration effort (better him than government bureaucracy). Yet, while this is going on, an incident occurs in which a televised fight between a fledgling group of heroes (The New Warriors) and some villains results in an explosion that kills hundreds of people, many of which are schoolchildren. This incident causes such a public furor that the Registration act gets pushed through. At this point, the public has turned against superheroes and Stark feels that Registration is the only way he can restore the public's faith. But those like Cap think that heroes giving up their individual status and being forced to work for the government is a slippery slope and wants to protect the privacy and civil liberties of the heroes (though heroes do not need to publicly unmask as Spiderman does, they do need to reveal their identities to the government). Stark and his compatriots (Reed Richards, Hank Pym) tend to go too far in trying to control the superhero situation, by imprisoning those who refuse to register in space prisons, creating a Thor clone who accidentally kills a superhero, and hiring nanite-controlled supervillains (Thunderbolts) to bring in the bad (good) guys. Thus, Tony becomes kind of a control freak prick. And thus the conflict. It's a comic version of the Patriot Act, with arguments of Homeland Security vs. Civil Liberties. In my opinion, this would be an awesome basis for a later Avengers film, but would only work in a well established Marvel crossover universe. I'd especially like to see some normal human characters, like Sally Floyd and the Frontline crew, to be a part of the plot.
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I can remember shows like Heavy Metal or Rocky Horror Show being popular on the weekend. I think most kids have city enforced curfews.
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I know most people gave up on Scifi channel's Flash Gordon early on, but I think over the season Ming was developed into a more complex character and a decent character study of 'friendly' fascism and its accompanying paranoia about racial purity. I think part of the reason the show failed was because they called it Flash Gordon and had to use characters and 'races' from that mythos, instead of calling it something original. Because, really, it had little to nothing to do with the old serials, comics, or cheesy 80s film. Sure, it hardly ever reached a level higher than the syndicated scifi shows of the late 90s (Mutant X, Earth Final Conflict, Andromeda), but it did get better over time and wasn't a complete shitstorm, in my opinion.
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What about Ultron? They apparently aren't going with the Ant-Man solo movie, and I'd be sorta suprised to see an Avengers movie without Hank Pym in some capacity (I mean, Christ, he was the one who said the originals made a pretty good team and suggested they continue, wasn't he?). Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge fan of the character or anything, but... if they wanna sort of go the Ultimates route with Captain-America-Back-When-Most-Of-The-World-Still-Kinda-Respected-Us being discovered at the end of his film and all... well, Hank Pym fucking everything up by building an evil invincible robot (and maybe beating his wife/assualting her with Raid?) would pretty much be in character. Plus, since Iron Man, being the only Avenger to have had two movies (I swear to fucking God, if Spider-Man and Wolverine are on the initial team...), seems likely to be a cornerstone for the group, they could feature some pretty damn cool fights between him and the silver thing that looks sort of like him.
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I wouldn't be suprised if someone else already suggested this. I just quickly scanned most of the posts and didn't see anything, but I didn't look too hard. Not because I'm lazy. I honestly just don't care.
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Superman in SR? The answer is no. SR is a masterpiece. Take some time and watch it again. It will blow your mind. You might rewatch Iron Man, but you won't see him lift a kryptonite island. And Iron Mans villain? He doesn't even like real estate.
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Just use lifts to make him 6'5". And have him start lifting weights NOW to prepare. :)
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Now, that shows some dark nature in a character. 2-D villains are all about taking control, but 3-D ones want real estate. Singer knew it.
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There's always Snyder's Law or The Infected. They'll be crowd pleasers .
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Marvel did say they're actively working on the Ant-Man film with Wright, but it hasn't been announced officially yet. Maybe they'll sneak it in somewhere. They did say they wanted to cover both Pym and Lang in the script. Maybe they're going the Ultimates route and have Pym be Giant Man in an Avengers film, but develop the Ant-Man technology later for a spinoff film after he's been kicked out of the Avengers for screwing up and beating his wife. I'd kinda like to see the more recent Ant-Man incarnation, in which a low level SHIELD worker gets a hold of Ant-Man technology and uses it to steal stuff and stalk women, until he reluctantly becomes a hero, but I guess they're already covering the asshole superhero angle in Hancock.
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Does anyone know when the rights for Spidey, X-Men etc. revert to Marvel (whether there is a set date, or a maximum time between films); and whether Marvel would be contractually allowed to purchase the rights back from the other studios?
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Yakov Smirnoff! Seriously! Just shave the beard and he's totally there! Plus, he's not even American, so no one will get all pissy about how jingoistic the movie is! And Jose Jimenez as the villainous Red Skull!
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I really want to see a GREEN LANTERN CORPS movie as well, but I'm afraid they would fuck it up. DC makes great comics, and great animations, but so far their movies (with the exception of BATMAN BEGINS, which totally rules) have been pretty shit whereas MARVEL has hit it outta the park several times -- Spidey 1&2, XMen 1& 2, and now IRON MAN. DC gotta catch the fuck up!
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May 05, 2008 5:28:31 PM CDT
Oh let's not start dignifying the laughably awful Civil War
by industrykiller!
A terrible political allegory if there ever was one. One that has absolutely decimated the characters of so many Marvel superheroes that they have already begun retconning it. It's literally the worst massive crossover in the history of the company. Simply saying it's a 9/11 allegory doesn't quite explain how ill conceived the whole thing was. Instead of actually taking real world problems and intertwining them with the already existing world and characters of Marvel, they simply cut politicians out and pasted superheroes in, making for nothing but a clusterfuck in which every single hero involved acts ridiculously out of character simply to move the plot forward and serve the mind numbingly obvious and immature "allegory".. So enough with saying "Tony Stark is a bad guy now", it's only until someone with real talent comes along and fixes Mark Millar's narcissistic cynical bullshit.
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Anyone know anything about this? All the Secret Invasion previews seem to be suggesting Tony Stark may be a Skrull. Is the whole point of Secret Invasion fix the whole Tony-Stark-Is-A-Evil-Evil-Man thing, by saying he was a Skrull the whole time?
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who produces wolverin origins? marvel could make a ww2 flshback where wolverin meets captain america.
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"An" prefaces a noun or an adjective-noun, if said noun or adjective-noun begins with a vowel. Goddamn typo makes it look like I'm writing at a second grade level, when I'm clearly of a fourth or fifth grade caliber. Also, the word in the subject line IS an actual word. I just have no idea what it means.
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A flashback in Origins to Logan and Steve Rogers in WWII would be sick. Even sicker? Like, ebola or childhood diabetes sick? If Ryan Reynolds/Deadpool was there too. And Bucky said something completely inappropriate for a PG-13 movie.
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1.Dennis Leary
2.Tom Hanks (if he can slim dowm a bit & bulk up)
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May 05, 2008 6:00:15 PM CDT
Secret Invasion Is An Easy Way To Retcon the Civil War Debacle
by laserpants
The Skrulls did it?! Those dang dirty Skrulls!
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You know it makes sense.
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I seriously hope you're joking about Danny Glover and Johnny Depp. I haven't read much Iron Fist, but my impression of him was always as a pretty young guy. I feel like Depp is too old for the part. For some reason, I think Topher Grace would be well suited to the part. And maybe if given a decent script where he didn't use his "evil praying power" so much, it could work. But again, I'm just going off of limited reading, mostly in books that don't say Iron Fist on them. And Glover as Luke Cage? Ok, for this one I'm positive that Glover's too old. He was too old in Lethal Weapon. Also, there's the matter of Cage's physique. He's not the Hulk or Gladiator or anything, but he should be pretty goddamn big. But, I could see Glover pulling of the more dramatic elements (um... Luke Cage DOES have dramatic elements, right? Other than that he knocks up white women?). So maybe, use Glover for character moments, and for more physical scenes, put Vin Diesel through Downey Jr.'s pigment thingie from Tropic Thunder. And also, don't let Vin Diesel talk. That's important.
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What a lame superhero...and yes i meant Craptain
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As much as your name intimidates me from even broaching this subject... might you be somewhat biased, here? Just saying. Please don't do... whatever it is you do with your threatening bleeding phalis.
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You couldn't stop talking about America if you wanted to. There's a reason we think we are better than you....we are. I don't care what shithole you come from, in every quantifiable way the US and it's citizens are better. Here's the dirty little secret about non-entities like yourself. It really doesn't matter what you think. We are gonna do just exactly what ever the fuck we want to. You'll just have to learn to live with disappointment.
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Dude,
You sound like an absolute cock.
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I would love if the Iron Man sequel focused on Tony being an alcoholic and Stark Enterprises falling prey to a hostile takeover by HYDRA or AIM. These two groups could be presented as modern day terrorist groups that could show up to cause trouble in ANY of the upcoming Marvel movies.Maybe Starks computers pick up a virus and that leads to Ultron? I really,really dont want to see the Mandarin or Fing Fang Foom...they need to keep the villians as realistic as possible while still playing to the fanboys.
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the rest of the world see yanks like that...i think you all look like a sweating rapist or shitting dogs...do you still have beauty pageants where you dress little girls like sex objects...you sick fucks..anyway gotta love you guys i've always had a soft spot for retards and window lickers
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Uh, what about the obvious choice of Michael Clarke Duncan as Luke Cage? And Marvel needs to do the right thing and make Iron Fist a Chinese-American, most probably an unknown as there are like zero Asian-American stars in Hollywood right now. And the name of the film should just be "Luke Cage" and sell the film on Duncan's name with another star as the villain. Gosh, the sooner I'm in charge of Marvel Entertainment the better...
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Thanks for buying our war debt. WHOOPS!!! LOOKS LIKE YOU OFFICIALLY OWN US NOW!!! Sorry American people! So sorry!
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next Iron Man
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I'm not a comics reader so maybe someone can enlighten me - Is Spider-man part of the Avengers? I would think there would probably be rights issues with Sony if they wanted to bring him into it, but I could see him fitting into this movie better than Thor. I know nothing about Thor, but he just seems...goofy. Like, I could kinda see Spidey, Cap, and The Hulk fitting into the world of Tony Stark, but Thor? Not really.
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yeah lets get back to geekasms...
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So they're going to be making IM2 and Thor at the same time? And since they're only a year later, Cap and Avengers will also be going, almost simultaneously.This is either something to get investors on board fast in the wake of IM's huge opening, or is incredibly bold as an actual plan.The idea of having all those movies out so close to one another sounds great in principle, but I hope Marvel doesn't get ahead of themselves and rush it. If they can do Iron Man quality on this schedule, great--if not, then I say spread 'em out.
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Beauty Pagents? You weren't inspired to write that comment by that shitty program on BBC2 this evening by any chance?
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Yes, make that happen! That would be great! I also want to see... M.O.D.O.K.!!! Why? because he was Designed Only for Killing! YEAH!!!
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Fortunately for us we are not really into paedophilia in the UK so we don't entertain the whole idea of dressing impressionable young kids like adults and then trying to get then to act provocatively to adult judges..anyway you seem to know your shit on the Avengers..so its ok by me if you want to jerk off to 6 year old girls
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IK: I didn't say it was a successful allegory, just that Marvel's intent was - somewhat - allegorical in its attempt to reflect contemporary political issues. Even if it ultimately didn't work, it was still pretty interesting and ambitious and worlds better than World War Hulk and One More Day.
flickchick, SpiderMan was never a member of the classic Avengers. He always worked better as a solo act, and when he tried to apply to groups like the FF, they rejected him because he was too young and inexperienced, and he thought he would get paid. However, after the Avengers were decimated by various disasters, Parker joined a new Avengers team that was formed after a huge prison breakout consisting mostly of D-list Spidey villains. As a result, during Civil War, he became Stark's lapdog at first, seeing Stark as another replacement father figure, and being the poster child for pro-registration (complete with a televised unmasking), before he decided that he had messed up and that Stark was totally in the wrong. He then defected to Cap's side, and carried on as a member of the underground anti-reg New Avengers (as opposed to Stark's official pro-reg Mighty Avengers, both titles written by Brian Michael Bendis). Not sure what the current status quo and how the horrendous One More Day retcon has changed things, as I'm still catching up to comics from January.
Making Iron Fist Asian in any way would totally defeat the purpose of the character. The whole point of Danny Rand is that he's a white American intruding upon secret, ancient Eastern traditions, and that he has to prove that he's not just another outsider Westerner stealing from their culture. Unfortunately, he's another billionaire playboy with a secret superhero identity. Now Shang-Chi, one of Rand's compatriots and recent member of the newest Heroes for Hire, that's an Asian character that needs to be played by an Asian actor. -
Yes I was and it was a terrible show.. but its been a long belief of mine since Louis Theroux made a show about it about 6 years ago and how that the states has one of the highest amount of paedophiles in the world and the paegents obviously had some part to play in that fact...shiiit there are some sick weirdos around...dogging wtf?
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I wonder specifically what other superheroes Fury is referring to. Cap perhaps? Certainly not Hulk (yet). But I love the fact that he tells Stark that he has no idea that he has now become part of a larger universe. It's like he's talking to the actor himself, or to fans to say, Iron Man the character is himself part of the larger Marverl universe. Fuck. Ing. Awesome. Can't wait for 2010-11. Avengers films and the Hobbit!
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And I don't spank it to them Until they are at least 13....That shit will make you blind...anyway i'm slightly worried Marvel are going to release too many films at the same time..there could be trouble ahead..i've been told by someone in the know who's seen bits of the Hulk that its not looking good..
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That whole intruding Westerner on ancient Chinese secret is so dated, so David Carradine on Kung Fu. Billionaire playboy Danny Rand as Iron Fist needs to be scrapped for a Chinese kid. And Shang Chi isn't even a real super-hero, whether they've updated him or not. He's just a Bruce Lee rip-off that exploited the popularity of kung fu movies in the 70's. Iron Fist must be an Asian kid. Maybe his name could be Danny Chin or something...
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Ms. MODOK. She was totally hot, in a tarted up, downs-like, 500 gallon head sort of way. I mean, she wasn't "traditionally" hot, but you know, she was the kind of girl who'd make you look twice while walking down the street. Because she had a 500 gallon head.
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She's a "Ms.," so she's totally not married or anything. She'd fool around.
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oisin5199 would be Marvel geek
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I'm as psyched as anyone else about the direction that Marvel Studios taking here, but I just feel like being cynical for a second, so I'll indulge. You KNOW that, because its Marvel, like ten years down the road, every summer is gonna have a Marvel Studios "event" where you're gonna have to go see like twelve different movies get one complete story. And you may need to walk out of some early because their stories are running simultaniously with some of the other movies that wont be out yet for another month or so and if you stay, you're just gonna spoil the coming movies, but you had to see the first part, because thats gonna be crucial for knowing whats going on at the beginning of the later ones. And if you want to just wait for the DVD, their only gonna release an insanely overpriced hardback "collectors" DVD for the first year, before finally releasing a normally priced DVD once the movies are so far past that plot point that the entire story has been spoiled for you because you saw a movie during that interim year that summerized the previous summer's "event," and you realize that you really didn't miss anything.
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I love films and comics and i'm liking that we are starting to get somewhere near what a comic should be like as a film..but if the films are rubbish so waaat we still got the comics to go back to and our versions of the comics in our minds..happy days!
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If you did do a good, updated Iron Fist, (like the current excellent Brubaker series), it wouldn't have to be Kung Fu or Last Samurai. Rather you could reflect the changing attitudes about East vs. West without making the character just another imperialist. After all, Rand is an outsider in the Sacred City. I still say making him Asian takes away everything essential about the character.
Thanks for the Marvel geek props, everyone. To be honest, I owe a lot to bittorrent, buying used trades at cons, and internet research. I've starting writing academic articles on comics and just taught a college course on the topic this year so I've had to do some research (best research project ever!) Oh, and despite its inaccuracies in other areas, Wikipedia is your friend when it comes to comics. So much information that helps people navigate the most complex narrative continuities in the history of Western literature (Marvel and DC universes). I'm pretty anal about my reading and take stories seriously. So most of my 'knowledge' comes from reading something and trying to figure out the references, moving backwards to fill in backstory. As a total newbie to the DC universe, I've been researching various occult characters (working backwards from Sandman and Books of Magic) and have now familiarized with the basics of DC's immediate post-crisis world. One of these days I'm going to start reading the entire DC chronology from the Golden Age on until the present (thanks to bittorrent, this is now possible). Maybe by the time I'm 150 years old. -
we haveto remember that the cap movie and the avengers movie are comeing out very very close to eachother. they could end the movie with cap getting blown up and you would only have to wait like a month to see him come back. i think it has potential asapretty good way to introduce people to cap before the avengers movie comes out (which better be freakin sweet). i could be totally wrong, but im reallypulling for marvel on this one and trying to be optimistic about it.
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I seriously hope not. I was just making fun of the way that they run those goddamn "events" (which I hate for three very good reasons: 1. I have to buy a shitload of books to get the complete story 2. because everyone else seems to hate them, and I am a sucker for following a crowd 3. because Bendis usually writes them, and the crowds that I follow generally think that he has too much dialogue and writes for trade paperbacks, and therefore, so do I), but, I mean... it IS Marvel... like IN-HOUSE Marvel... so, could I see them pulling that shit somewhere down the line? I definately can't rule out the possibility. I know I can't wait for the "Death of Captain America" event, just so I can watch some fucking nerd look at the poster for it in the lobby and start crying, mumbling something about "spoilers."
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anyone have any idea regarding casting for cap? if not...got any good suggestions?
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Totally. I wouldn't put it past Marvel to start pulling some shit like that once they build their main brands up. Because, now that I think about it, they could use those "event" things to boost weaker performing franchises. "Didn't like Daredevil? Don't want to see Daredevil 2? We can't blame you! BUT! If you liked Iron Man 2, and can't wait to see Iron Man 3, then you're gonna HAVE TO go see Daredevil 2, because Tony Stark has a supporting role in it, and some really important stuff happens to his character, that will leave you totally confused if you don't go see Daredevil 2, starring Ben Affleck and whatever big black guy we can find because Michael Clarke Duncan refused to participate in another one of these." Also, something I've been wondering since I saw Iron Man's numbers. I know that Marvel is a big company and everything, but... will Marvel Studios now be their biggest money-maker (and, by default, their most important aspect)? Will Joe Quesada and Dan Buckley still be the most powerful, important people in the company, or will the heads of Studios run the show now? Will the focus shift slightly away from comic books now? Seriously. I can't help but feel like this whole thing is going to alter the company, but I'm not sure how.
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Ok, for realz this time. Because I was totally joking about Yakov Smirnoff, earlier. Turns out, even without the beard, he looks NOTHING like Steve Rogers. Plus, how long would it take for "In communist Russia, you don't throw shield. Shield throw you!" to get old? But like I said, putting my gameface on for this one. I don't think I've seen anything where he does an "American" accent, but I imagine he could do one. Most non-American actors seem to be able to. So, assuming he could pull off the accent... Daniel Craig. He's go the physique, the strong, quite intensity, and the blonde hair. He's money.
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His character has always been more about what he stands for, then the personality itself. And really, anybody could be Captain America. I'm reminded of the recent Todd Haynes flick "I'm Not There" where like a dozen different actors portray Bob Dylan. Captain America should represent every American.
My feeling is that Cap should be born not just out of a Super Soldier program, but out of a massive U.S. propaganda campaign. Cap is an invention, a product. Kind of like Gary Cooper in Capra's "Meet John Doe." A fictionalized creation come to life, except he really does have the powers. For casting, I'd say think like the Public Relations guy in charge of the Captain America campaign, go for a guy who looks like the classic All-American. George Clooney might fit the bill if he's willing to throw on tights again... -
Too much baggage to pull off Cap. The people wouldn't buy it...
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Having a non-American in the role might make it more palatable for worldwide audiences. Or, they might not ever let him back into the U.K. Or, maybe the rest of the world doesn't hate us and it's all a product of the liberal media. I really don't know. MSNBC has me convinced that upon leaving the US, I will be shot on sight. Even in Canada. And they don't even HAVE guns!
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...if the project was smart enough for him...and not neo-conservative in principle...but kind of like a Capra film...
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I is Ant-Man!
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Yeah, I know the Bond thing, and the not actually American thing... those are definate minuses to him being in the role. But, I mean, Harrison Ford pulled off being Han Solo and Indiana Jones. So, it might be possible. As for his nationality... eh. Part of me says that yes, he should definately be American. But I also think that it's Hollywood, and they have characters playing other nationalities all the time. Charleton Heston was Mexican for christsake. I recognize the added stigma of the nationality being in both the character's and property's names, but I don't think its necessarily a dealbreaker. Plus, like I said, it might actually help the movie in other markets.
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you have a point there. he does resemble SOME portrayals of steve...but i feel like he might be a tad too old. in all fairness (despite his 'out of this world' performance and damn near perfect resemblance of stark's persona) robert downey. jr. was also a touch too old. i definatley see where youre coming from though.
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I really feel like I'm plagiarizing the shit out of someone right now, so if I am, and it's you. I'm sorry. You are both more clever and insightful than me. There. Thats my Works Cited. Anyway, you know who would direct a fucking awesome Captain America movie? Oliver Stone.
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IMO. Think RDJ for Iron Man. An actor's baggage is so important for some movie projects. RDJ's past alcohol problems was perfect for the role of Tony Stark.
Someone like Daniel Craig has been playing bad boys his entire film career. He kills people a lot. Plus, he's British. Wrong baggage for someone as iconic as Captain America.
Mr. Clooney, on the other hand, is an American. He's played a super-hero before. He's portrayed military people. Americans love him. Women want to marry him, guys want to be like him. He gets involved in politics. He has a squeeky clean image, and he's immensely popular. That's the kind of baggage you want for Captain America. -
...a bit too controversial, too dark, with weird conspiracies afoot. I'd think a Cap film need to be a bit more simple, a little more pure. Not sure if Mr. Stone would do that. He'd probably rip Captain America to shreds. Nice call, tho.
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yeah i totally agree. i though that the cyclops they chose was awsome despite what many people say (although i don't like how he was in superman returns...or how haley berry was also catwoman...? enough crossing over). and to get this out of my system again: i hated x-men 3 (and wasnt a fan of the others either). they could have done that so much better.
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I mean, I totally see where you're coming from with Clooney. He's one of my favorite actors (up there with Downey Jr., Day Lewis, and Malkovich) and you're absolutely right about his off-screen persona. For whatever reason, I just can't PHYSICALLY picture him as Steve Rogers. I'm not saying its the only way Cap can be done, but right now, I can't picture him without blonde hair (blonde hair, blue eyes, all-American), and I can't picture Clooney WITH blonde hair. I dunno. Maybe it's just a mental block for me. Persona wise, I couldn't agree more. I just can't see him as the physical character. Plus, he's almost fifty. Doesn't necessarily look it, but, to me, he looks just a little too old for the part, blonde hair and blue eyes or not.
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hahaha that movie would be crazy. despite his awsomeness i dont think he should do cap. it would be too crazy and 'out there' and im not sure if thats what we need here. id see it anyway...but for some reason Natural Born Killers keeps coming to mind (masterpiece).
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...that Cap was born before WW2. A more mature Cap would be someone a soldier would follow into battle, like Patton.
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I was kind-of joking, kind-of not joking about Oliver Stone directing. One the one hand, I would absolutely LOVE to see what he would do with it. Particularly if he covered the period where Cap finds out that Nixon, while president, is the leader of a terrorist cell, and gets all emo over it and drops the American Flag costume and changes his name to Nomad. Oliver Stone could direct the shit out of that storyline. On the other hand, though, I know that he would never, ever direct an audience friendly Cap movie and would end up satirizing the very notion of Captain America instead of celebrating the character, and in that respect, I agree that he would be a terrible choice. I'm just insanely curious about what his Captain America movie would be like. The same way that I would love to see John Waters direct a live action "Little Mermaid." Well, not exactly the same way. But you get the idea.
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In Oliver Stone's Captain America, when Cap gets all emo about Nixon not being a nice person, he will take Tricky Dicky to a shitty little bar where he will play impromptu jazz piano and dance with Spiro Agnew instead.
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oliver stone should maybe be saved for something with slghtly less mental stabillity...like say D.C.'s Sandman (not really, just an example).
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May 05, 2008 8:56:32 PM CDT
Oliver Stone might make a nice "Dark Knight Returns" adaptation
by chishu_ryu
He's a bit of a copycat director, IMO. Maybe he can do it in the style of Sin City or 300. Who knows how that could turn out...
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that actor who plays Hurley on Lost. Thor is played by Richard Simmons (who else could talketh like that) and Richard Belzer as Hank Pym/Ant man..hey wait a minute that might work
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Very well may be perfect as Cap, but, unfortunately, first he has to play M. Bison in the upcoming Street Fighter movie (fingers crossed that its gonna be as super awesome as the last one), and we'll see if he can survive the Curse of Raul Julia. If he doesn't die soon after the movie, maybe he'll be a good choice.
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Bro, Oliver Stone doing "Dark Knight Returns" would be awesome. Thats a pretty fucking brilliant call. In the same vein, although I am perfectly happy with Zack Snyder, I think Stone could make a pretty interesting "Watchmen." Particularly considering how political the book is. Also, if they ever do an "Age of Apocolypse" movie or -shudder- series of movies, how about that hack Roland Emmerich? It's a disaster film, where the disaster is people who are different from us and an allusion to, among other things, minorities and homosexuals. He could even drop all pretense and lay the metaphor bare by having New York destroyed by a tidal wave composed entirely of non-white ethnicities and sodomites. And then, in the midst of the backlash against the movie, someone at Fox News would say that they don't understand what all the fuss is about because "tidal waves are powerful, so he's really empowering minorities and sinful homosexuals."
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Cap gets frozen at the end of his world war II movie, wakes up in the Ultiamtes/Avengers movie. Now THAT is how they should do it!
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Who's more American than Jack Bauer himself?
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Totally has the look, although he may be too old now.
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playing that shitty video game will help in destroying the careers of the Wachowski's and that idiot Speedracer movie.
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Once something has been released so that it is publicly available, then any info about it is no longer a spoiler. If you haven't seen the movie yet or heard about the "Stinger" then it's unfortunate, but maybe you shouldn't read any articles concerning the movie until you have. I know I do that with movies/books/tv shows or whatever that I want to see and not be "spoiled" about once they've come out. It's not on this website to "hide" info that is now "public knowledge." If you don't wanna know that Sam Jackson pops up at the end of the movie before you go see it, then don't read articles about the franchise until you have.
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I saw him as Mickey Mantle in Billy Crystal's excellent HBO movie "61*" and thought he personified everything that is Cap. Plus, the guy quit Punisher because they weren't doing the character justice - he deserves to play a superhero in a good movie. I would have voted for Aaron Eckhart, but he's currently Two-Face, obviously.
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They should introduce him in the Avengers along with Thor. That would make the Avengers that much better.
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please don't!!
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We keep hearing about the Avengers, the Avengers.. But I'm never hearing are we going to be going with the New Avengers, and end up happening Spider Man/Tobey, and Wolverine/Hugh Jackman?
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He would carry a solar panel instead of a shield.
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It's great and well to hear about Iron Man sequel and Thor movie in 2010 and Cap and Avengers in 2011 but do we know of ANY Marvel movies in 2009? It would be crazy to have a year without one after a Marvel movie every year since 2000
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Wolverine will be out in 09, its just not produced by Marvel
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I googled Cap Casting and there was one guy I saw that I liked, though at 43 he is really too old now, Mark Valley, of 4400 and Boston Public. He is a west point grad and Marine who served during the first Gulf War. Good cred for Cap and a spot on look, but again he would have been perfect 10 years ago, not sure about now.
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Gosh it's nice to say 22 Marvel films...though some sucked...
1) X-men United 2) Spider-man 2 3) Spider-man 3 4) Spider-man (yeah I'm a Spidey fan) 5) Iron Man (that shite rocked! 6) X-men 7) Daredevil (sorry folks, i'm one of the few that loved it) 8) Hulk (I liked its cerebral take) 10) Blade 11) X-men: The Last Stand (had its moments 12) Fantastic Four (again with its moments) 13) Ghost Rider (the look was perfect and Cage was enjoyable at least) 14) The Punisher (Tom Jane's version...Howard Saint sucked but the parts copied panel for panel from Garth Ennis' version was great) 15) The Punisher (Dolph Lundgren's version...yeah i remember it fondly b/c of when I was a kid but I find it surprisingly re-watchable as a good action flick if not a good marvel flick) 16) Fantastic Four: ROTSS (SS was the only cool part and not in it enough) 17) Captain America (1990 version...has its moments definitely..the costume aint bad...has some elemens of Cap...and that's good enough to make the list) 18) Fantastic Four (1994 version...come on put it in the VHS and not laugh! It's camp classic...but you gotta admit Dr. Doom's look is perfect and way better than the new FF...11 years later....pretty sad) 19) Blade 2 (love Guillermo...hated this mess his only horrible movie) 20) Elektra (meh...) 21) Man-thing (it was a sci-fi movie with horrible story and acting but it had Man-thing's look perfect and better than 22) Blade 3 (utter shite...nuff' said) -
Gosh it's nice to say 22 Marvel films...though some sucked...
1) X-men United 2) Spider-man 2 3) Spider-man 3 4) Spider-man (yeah I'm a Spidey fan) 5) Iron Man (that shite rocked! 6) X-men 7) Daredevil (sorry folks, i'm one of the few that loved it) 8) Hulk (I liked its cerebral take) 10) Blade 11) X-men: The Last Stand (had its moments 12) Fantastic Four (again with its moments) 13) Ghost Rider (the look was perfect and Cage was enjoyable at least) 14) The Punisher (Tom Jane's version...Howard Saint sucked but the parts copied panel for panel from Garth Ennis' version was great) 15) The Punisher (Dolph Lundgren's version...yeah i remember it fondly b/c of when I was a kid but I find it surprisingly re-watchable as a good action flick if not a good marvel flick) 16) Fantastic Four: ROTSS (SS was the only cool part and not in it enough) 17) Captain America (1990 version...has its moments definitely..the costume aint bad...has some elemens of Cap...and that's good enough to make the list) 18) Fantastic Four (1994 version...come on put it in the VHS and not laugh! It's camp classic...but you gotta admit Dr. Doom's look is perfect and way better than the new FF...11 years later....pretty sad) 19) Blade 2 (love Guillermo...hated this mess his only horrible movie) 20) Elektra (meh...) 21) Man-thing (it was a sci-fi movie with horrible story and acting but it had Man-thing's look perfect and better than 22) Blade 3 (utter shite...nuff' said) -
started in World War 2 and that was the best part of it. Red Skull looked great as did the Cap'n costume and sheild. A few Nazis were killed and we got a brief fight with the Skull and Cap'n. Then he was shot into Alaska, thawed out in 1991 and one of the shittiest films ever made was presented to us. I have it on a foreign DVD. It's soooo hard to watch.
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with jerkwad wingnut Steve. Make it more Bru/Epting (with a touch of Steranko). Keep the original suit, not the embarrassed-by-the-source-material Ultimates crap.
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He's got the build, action chops, and all-American looks. Stand him on an apple box if you must.
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Iron fist should definitely not be Chinese. What a fool! Shang chi sure, but Daniel Rand needs to be caucasion. Osin or whoever was right. And I want to bring up something else. Who do you think should be on the Avengers team? This is to everybody. I personally vote for Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk for sure(as sort of a secret weapon like in Ultimates. This should create some interesting turnoil in the team over controlling someone.) Also, IMO Quicksilver was used extremely well in the Ultimates comic. I know the X Men universe is all fucked up now and not part of Marvel, but I really loved him in the team, so i guess it's just a distant wish. What about having the first movie be sort of an origins tale with the early members tracking down other members of the team. This could make for some dream fights. Captain America and Iron Man versus Thor. Cap versus Ant man. thor versus Hulk. Just an idea.
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But anyone Who thinks That Transformers is a better movie then Ironman IS a fucking retard in my opinion.
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Spider Man 3 is in your top five. woops. you lose. I actually liked Daredevil too. Bullseye was perfect. You totally got it right with the first two though.
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someone mentioned him for Cap. But he'd be perfect for Thor! I'm really curious how they're going to work him in, seeing as the rumors about the script are that it's an Asgard story. If you go with the solo movie first, then you definitely remove the possibility of the 'is he crazy or not' story that played so well in Ultimates. They've said they're going to introduce Thor in Iron Man 2 (my guess is we'll see Donald Blake, but not Thor. Though it would be cool to see Blake wearing one of those Asatru hammers. Make him Pagan damn it! (or Heathen to be more precise). But they're going to have to work pretty hard to tonally match Thor and Iron Man in an Avengers movie. I'm so curious how they're going to do it.
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I absolutely loved the opening pages of THE ULTIMATES, with Captain America in WWII action. Very cinematic and would make one hell of an opener, not to mention how a little creative writing could expand the scene. Captain America could be great with the right director and actor(s). And don't get me started on my feelings for an AVENGERS flick, which is jam-packed full of potential.
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Personally, I think it would be best to absorb the Captain America origin/movie into the first AVENGERS, with part 2 releasing in the same year.
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Howard The Duck(worst use of a midget in film history), Dr. Strange (wierd ass T.V. movie), and of course everyone keeps forgetting MEN IN BLACK, AND MEN IN BLACK II
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Thanks for the answers, guys, sounds like Spidey should sit this one out. Although, seeing Downey play father-figure to Maguire could be cool, but also weird for anyone who's seen Wonderboys. But some of those others you mentioned - Giant Man/Ant Man? Wasp? Do we think they'll be in it? If there are too many low-level heroes, it's gonna start to resemble X-men rather than the all-star heavyweight movie it should be, imo. If the Avengers were just Nick Fury, Captain America, Iron Man, The Hulk, Thor (I guess), and War Machine(?), I would think that would be enough. It could have room for some actual character development among the mayhem.
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Many guys are talking about Neil McDonnough as Cap. Nice; I've said that if you want good choices for Capt., just browse the cast of Band of Brothers....Matthew Settle would be great, Neil, of course. But IN BoB, Capt. America is already there...it's Damian Lewis as Lt. Dick Winters. He's on 'Life', but he's a serious redhead, so....
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To me, the role of Steve Rogers/Captain America requires an actor with a certain amount of screen presence,...with some internal weight, so-to-speak. And if Matthew McConaughey was to bulk up, just as he did for "REIGN OF FIRE" ...and was to REALLY GO FOR IT, I believe he could be great in the role. (If Matthew McConaughey comes after this role...as though it is something that he REALLY wants to do, then "please" give it to him.) And by the way, I am very curious about the costume interpretation. (Take my advice and learn from the history of the Batman costumes.) --The Captain America costume can be designed quite poorly or be extremely cool, even without anyone in it. I think a retro-styled, muted-color design for those early WWII scenes is in order, based mostly on Cap's early costume and his ULTIMATES origin (considering the leather & metal materials, back in those days). For his modern day AVENGERS reveal, give it touches of today, while remaining mostly true to the Captain America design we know. Make it freakin' cool!!!! --not dorky. (There should be lots of focus on his costume design, approached from different perspectives.)
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you said the costume in the 90's Cap movie ain't bad?Have you noticed those plastic ears by any chance? XD
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May 06, 2008 2:51:17 AM CDT
Glad to know that GTAIV, didn't put a dent in IM's BO performanc
by stalkeye
What a fucking hypefest that game is.
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perfect Cap.but i don't think he should really be a subtle 'representation' of american values. he should be a badass walking american values poster boy but in situations that call for such a guy (i.e, WW2). they have to develop him in WW2, then show him dropped into our time, doing the same thing now, and conflicting with other Americans and the govt and all that.
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was Cap beating the fuck out of wifebeater Hank Pym and then dating Wasp and Wasp not liking him because he's "too nice" and all that. good way to put our current social values in context too.
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Thor should win that matchup technically because he can do more than just go punch for punch with Hulk, though the little bit they had in the Ultimates cartoon was cool... but wtf @ Hulk lifting Thor's hammer and knocking him out for the rest of the movie with it. That was retarded.
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big, square-jawed, blonde-haired actors. they might have to go with an unknown like how they found Brandon Routh for Superman.
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Thor = Mike O'Hearn, american gladiator TITAN! check this video and tell me this isnt THOR! of course, this movie looks utter shit. but the dude looks like a GOD. he's 6'3, a former 4 time Mr. Universe and a blackbelt......
http://www.imdb.com/video/scree nplay/vi3602383129/
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if O'Hearn gets passed over for Thor? i'm sorry, that skinny twit from Dog Soldiers, McKidd... doesnt cut the mustard. he would need to hit the wieght for 5 years hardcore to beef up enough.
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DEXTER actor should be CAPTAIN AMERICA! http://www.im db.com/name/nm0355910/mediaindex
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that was Ubu, Liam Neeson was always Ra's. It was deception and he looks like a cinematic version of the Ra's from the comics, less outlandish hair but still the same direction, and no crazy robe, but an awesome long suit.
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please. the batmobile chase scene was amazing, if you don't liek it, it's because you don't have good taste in music. the way that whole scene was edited with the music and then the final crescendo bit was amazing, not to mention that shot that stays when the motif kicks back in.
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very awesome concept. and it showed who the true heroes were, if anything it was flawed heroes vs the DC style heroes, you know, those heroes who are very righteous. And the whole idea was that the bad guys won, because Spidey is the moral centre of Marvel and showing that he went from one side to the heroic righteous side showed what side Millar(no shit he's a left wing socialist) was on and in general what it should of been. And the whole allusions of ethical dillemmas such as Iron Man putting the nanites in She Hulk in case she turned knowing there was a chance, the superhero prison and the fact they spent more time tracking down rebels than criminals, using psychotic supervillains to track them down, all right wing allusions. Yeah. Fuck Iron Man.
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If they are gonna go with the original Avengers (which it looks like they are building towards) they should definitely include Thor, no question. He is one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel universe and if you really mean what you say about having all the hard hitters, not including him would be disappointing, at least I think to most comic book fans. And War Machine? Iron Man will already be on the roster so it's completely unneccessary. He's basically a more heavily armed Iron Man that uses guns and rockets instead of the energy beams or whatever Iron Man uses (his thrusters I think.) It would be making a mixed drink with a bunch of the same ingredient. No new flavor will get boring.
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Civil war was an awesome concept, the only reason you didn't like it was because it actually brought about chance, and you're a fanboy and you don't like change. If Civil war was made into a massive movie, critics would laud it and it's political allusions etc, but fanboys cry when their precious shit is changed.
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Secret Invasion has been planned for more than 3 years, before Civil War. It starts all the way back in New Avengers #1. The raft escape was written to be orchestrated by the skrulls.
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May 06, 2008 4:34:08 AM CDT
So I guess no ones read Immortal Iron Fist? Julian_Wells, Chishu
by messi
Possibly the best comic there is next to Green Lantern. How many of you asses say stuff about Iron Fist without reading the comics which are fucking amazing. He isn't just a billionaire with a secret identity, he has kung fu chinese mysticism, he has that whole badass kung fu aspect. Read The Immortal Iron Fist, one of the best reads of the decade.
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As far as I know the country i'm from is far better at Football than the US, who suck ass, and it's the one thing the world cares about as a whole.
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what the fuck? Have you read New Avengers which is the best interpretation of Cage? He's basically a modern day dude into hip hop but he has a heart of a superhero.
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As far as ai know they don't punish girls for going out in the UK and australia. you fucking ass. what makes you think because people here don't like america that they are from islamic countries?
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not part of the original Avengers, but he is actually part of a team now and has been for a while, and he's awesome in it, has great dynamics with Luke Cage and now trades witty banter with Hawkeye which is pretty funny.
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they weren't D-list spidey villains. I'm pretty sure Electro is at least an A-. he broke everyone out of the raft.
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"That whole intruding Westerner on ancient Chinese secret is so dated, so David Carradine on Kung Fu. Billionaire playboy Danny Rand as Iron Fist needs to be scrapped for a Chinese kid. " maybe you should read Immortal Iron Fist you dumbass, it's one of the most acclaimed comics of the past 2 decades. read it and tell me it's dated. Immortal Iron Fist is amazing and it uses the whole westerner becoming a kung fu master and nothing like david carradine.
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Peter thought he was doing the right thing by exposing his identity, but he only did it because he thought he was safe, because of Tony and Shield, he thought nothing could happen to him since he had so much protection and was going to become virtually a high ranking government agent. Until he realized he was on the wrong side.
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Fuck that. just start reading from 'Countdown to Infinite Crisis' and go along and you'll learn all about the DCM in no time. Ohh and get Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps from Rebirth(the point it starts), the two best comics there is.
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that truman movie was called Infamous.
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Point well-made. As I said, I'm totally ignorant of these comics, so you obviously know better than me on this topic. And yeah, as a "general moviegoer," I would prefer only the heavy-hitters so that it doesn't seem like just another X-men, and if Thor is one of those, then bring him on. I'll be curious to see how they handle him if he is supposed to be a god. I mean, all these others fit into a world of comic-book pseudo-science. A god doesn't. That's my only concern there. I put a question mark after War Machine b/c I wasn't sure if he would be part of it since he'll supposedly be in the Iron Man sequel, but I don't think he needs to, and I totally agree, it would be redundant.
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that's what I want. marvel Knows Ultimates is the good way to go, but I want Cap to be like brubaker's Cap, but keep that ultimates 'real' tone.
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is ODIN. you heard it here first. I am just throwing that out there.....and Green Lantern is LAME. "my powers don't work on yellow"...... you kinda lost me right there. you think his enemies would catch on. wear a yellow track suit and some kryptonite bling and you can take out half the justice league. D.C. characters and thier specific weaknesses = LAME
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In the comics they have a scene where the members cast themselves in a movie, as follows.
Captain America - Brad Pitt
Iron Man - Johnny Depp
Thor - Sean Bean(based on him)
Giant Man - Matthew McConnaughey
Wasp - Lucy Liu
Nick Fury - Samuel L. Jackson
Bruce Banner - Steve Buscemi
My Cast
Captain America - Paul Walker
Iron Man - Robert Downey JR
Thor - Gunter Schlierkamp
Giant Man - Matthew Vartan
Wasp - Natalie Portman
Nick Fury - Samuel L. Jackson
Bruce Banner - Edward Norton
Villain - Kang The Conquerer - Tom Cruise(Looks exactly like him) or do The Chitauri/Skrull storyline, though not take Giant Man out of it. Plus it'd be cool to have a classic villain, maybe mix the chitauri with Loki. -
fucking fucking idiot. The Yellow thing was gone 4 years ago, and please Green Lantern is lame? Read Sinestro Corps War the best Superhero story ever written, and one of the most badass, brutal and violent blockbuster epics put on a medium. It's the War of the Ring from Lord of the rings in superhero form. Fucking idiot. Geoff Johns' Green Lantern and Dave Gibbons' Green Lantern Corps are two of the best books of the past 2 decades. A movie done right would be the next Star Wars. Saying Green Lantern is lame is equivalent to saying Star Wars is lame, Aliens is lame, Terminator is lame. Fuck you.
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got confused with hm and Matthew Vaughn. Though he still isn't the best choice I know.
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Favreau and Feige flew in Bendis, mark Millar, Axel Alonso, Tom Brevroot and others to go over the script and it was Millar who suggested taking out The Mandarin and beefing up Obadiah. Ok so I have even mroe trust. Maybe Feige will ask ED BRUBAKER to consult on the Captain America movie. FUCKING HELL! WHY ARENT YOU GETTING GEOFF JOHNS ON THE SCRIPT FOR GREEN LANTERN WARNER!!!!
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The premise was kinda cool, but its pretty clear the writers didn't think it through, and had to bend over backwards to make characters do things the characters would never do (hence it was all Skrulls, of course). Its also not a clearly delineated battle between right and left. The Registration Act is, obviously, meant to evoke the Patriot Act, but its not really the same thing.
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It's really Iron man since it was his idea, and then Cap was thawed from ice not soon after. But I can see them changing that story I guess.
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Holy shit, my head may explode... is it 2010 yet?
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He'd be perfect for the role!
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I'm English, and still think you're a cunt.
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One of the funny things about you messi is that you are an absolute hypocrite. You lambast every other user for being a fanboy and then post drooling man-love post after drooling man-love post in every thread about Green Lantern/ Sinestro Corps War or some other such shite. For the record, Green Lantern is lame, (I had to look it up to see what his powers are): oooooh MAGIC RINGS!!!!.
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Am I right or what?
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May 06, 2008 9:07:27 AM CDT
Green Lantern is lame, people who don't love padington are lamer
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flaming something.
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you are so angry.
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I don't care if he's American or not. And they can give him hair. It won't matter.
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Who says that Captain America has to be some 20 something hunk;)
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maybe if you read sinestro corps war you wouldn't make such an ignorant statement, fucking ass. it'd be like me saying "star wars is lame, magic swords, how childish". Idiot.
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rides the bus and yells at the other passengers about the Ultimates or about who played the best Batman.
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STOP IT! THEY AREN'T GONNA CAST SOMEONE BASED ON WHAT YOU WANT!
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That's Alan Scott the golden age green lantern, and he only appears in JSA and checkmate. Green Lantern when people talk about it, is Hal Jordan, it's star wars meets superheroes. Don't assume and be an ignorant cock. It's one of the most acclaimed comics there is.
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Is this because you make stupid opinions? I don't yell at people. I punch them.
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Listen, you angry little clown shoe, what I was pointing out to you is that you are a loser hypocrite fanboy of the highest order. Thanks for proving me right. That was too easy- but to break it down for you: You pepper every TB with your inane, profanity laced (so bad that even I notice) Sinestro Corps shite, and when someone ventures a different opinion all you can do is swear at them, or call them a fanboy/ nerd no matter how well constructed their argument is. To such an extent that I'm starting to think that you work in DC's marketing department. So go back to the bathroom and keep pulling yourself off over your precious Green Lantern.
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It'll work!
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"I don't yell at people I punch them". No you don't. This is the internet. You are the same drooling fanboy dickhead that can forgive Spiderman 3 because it had a sequence that, as you said, if we'd seen it on Youtube it would have knocked our socks off. A stupid, moronic, asinine statement that totally ignores the fact that you should hold a movie to far fucking higher standards than youtube. Dickhead.
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She agreed with most that Eckhardt would be the best choice
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May 06, 2008 10:04:26 AM CDT
After reading thru this thread, I've come to the conclusion:
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Messi is a douchebag. That is all.
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punches people on the bus that don't like the Green Lantern.
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who don't know who green lantern is. Fucking old ladies don't know shit.
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those who speak dont know, those who know dont speak. well, not more than once....
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Captain America: (with slow Texas drawl) Avengers Assemble...! Yeee-haw!!
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Haven't read Immortal Iron Fist, but according to Wikipedia, there is a new Iron Fist every generation that comes out of the mystical city of K'un Lun. Why, Marvel, have the last two Iron Fists been white guys? Wouldn't it make sense that there'd be a Chinese Iron Fist? Comic books have been historically mostly segregated on who gets to have super powers. Whites to the front of the bus, ethnic minorities to the back. I think I can count on both hands the number of non-white Marvel super-heroes. Does there need to be some kind of affirmative action for comics, too? Marvel can correct their past sins by at least making a fourth tier character like Iron Fist an Asian kid. As laid down in Immortal Iron Fist, there is a new Iron Fist every generation. Time to give the Iron Fist power back its rightful owners. Martial Arts came from China, at least give them that, Marvel.
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He's just an angry fanboy that can't understand why his nerd obsession of choice is ignored or derided by the general population. He's one bad Monday from a tall tower, a high-velocity rifle and unfettered bloodshed. As the cops come for him, and he goes for the prerequisite gun-barrel blowjob the last words he'll whimper will be "damn it Hal, I still love you".
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Bob Geldof as Captain America, Eartha Kitt as Thor, Shakin Stevens as Loki, Hulk Hogan as Red Skull, Common as Hawkeye, Wolf from Gladiators as Wasp,
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Talking about the next season of Heroes..."Because the last one made me pop my own eyes with a sewing needle and plunge a hot poker into my ear canals. Then I nailed my scrotum to a fence post and jumped as high as I could."
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His anger has turned upon himself when he could have been smiting shitheels. Like messi.
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shut the fuck up man. you should know by now how I talk around here. that spider-man 3 comment was never about defending the movie, maybe you should reread it again, i thought it was a bad movie. it was about people(industrykiller) comparing it to batman and robin which is asinine. And the Green Lantern comment is still valid, how can you talk shit about it if you haven't read it? It's ignorant. Unless you have read Johns' series, then your opinion even if it's different than mine isn't valid because at least I know what i'm talking about. And derided by the general population? You fucking idiot, because so many people knew what the fuck Iron Man was before the movie was made. Dumb fuck.
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Yeah, I know that Secret Invasion has been planned for over 3 years. I can read the Bendis interview, too. I wasn't suggesting that it was some kneejerk thing planned six months ago when Marvel realized that a fair percentage of their readers (certainly many of the more vocal ones) weren't too fond of the recent characterization of Iron Man. Myself, I couldn't care less. I actually enjoy change in comic books, but it seems like the publishers don't always agree with me. I was asking if, even though Secret Invasion has been planned for awhile now, they are taking it as an opportunity to "fix" Stark's less-than-popular persona. PS-telling me it's been in the works since the raft breakout in New Avenger's one (even though I was fully aware of that) didn't actually address my question. Just FYI.
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Also, as I said before, no, I haven't read Immortal Iron Fist. He's not someone I grew up reading, and when I eventually found out who he was and whatnot, it didn't do too much for me. Whatever. Personal opinion. There's quite a few books that are supposed to be rather good that I don't read for whatever reason. But, I mean... I said that I didn't read it, way up there. Didn't make any excuses for it or anything, just said it's not my thing. So, why get all self-superior and inflammatory about it? Seriously, just chill. Everything's cool.
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Mo'nique sho'nuff is a "black panther." rwar.
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I caught a matinée yesterday and -maybe it was my midday doldrums- I didn't really dig it. The best part was when he goes to Gulmira and destroys the bad guys. The quips and humor work at first but become stale as the movie goes on. How the hell is Rhodes everywhere at once? Are there 3 of him? Clones, perhaps? The movie is too long and drags in a lot of places (don't deny it, you know its true) AND SOME GUY IN THE ROW IN FRONT OF ME FELL ASLEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. I SHIT YOU NOT (this was a 12:30pm showing). Thank God he didn't full on snore. Not hatin', just not impressed.
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An "Asian kid" really? Because I'm pretty sure Kun Lun is in China. Did you mean Chinese? I think hiring some South Korean or Japanese guy just because he looks asian enough would be pretty stupid. And in terms of there being more than one Iron Fist, in the comics the protagonist has been Daniel Rand pretty much forever. When a comic book fan hears Iron fist, that's usually the name that springs to mind. I could definitely go for some flashbacks of previous Iron Fists like in the comics (probably my favorite part of the series, besides Fat Cobra, who rules, is all the flashbacks. For a great example, check out issue 7, it's entirely about a female Kun Lun local, so basically a Chinese Woman, who becomes the Iron Fist)but the primary protagonist should be Daniel rand, whose dynamic lies in his otherness. I am all for diversity, but changing the ethnicity of a beloved protagonist seems a little excessive, especially with Shang Chi around, who could actually be pretty cool if done right (I'm thinking old school 70s setting, lots of big zoom ins, blaxploitation style soundtrack, think like the theme for Enter the Dragon.) Why haven't there been more period superhero movies? Anyways, just because the tradition of the Iron fist is based in Chinese history, doesn't mean the character HAS to be Chinese. Rand's uniting with the people of Kun Lun is a testament to the ability for diverse cultures to join together and learn from each other. You could always read the comics t better understand this. Daniel Rand's father Wendell Rand especially has to deal with this. And believe me, there are plenty more Asian characters in the comic that are really badass.
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And I think you are worng about that. I have a Korean friend who gets upset if you say he's Chinese. They may not be obvious to some people, but there are differences, and if it's that important to Chishu that he is Asian, he might as well be the correct nationality. Anyway, that wasn't even my point. I just don't see the point of making him Asian just because a majority of superheroes are white and the history of the hero is based on Asian mysticism. Plus, I don't really want to get into race, but I'm pretty sure it is a whole different thing for caucasians. Chill man. I'm pretty sure your "yellow is yellow" argument won't be enough to get me to "FUCK OFF"
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If they want to make an Iron Fist movie about someone other than Danial Rand or Orson Randall and have him be Asian, awesome cool, I'm going of course. But if they are going to make it about Daniel Rand I just see no reason to change his ethnicity.
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I've been reading this thread for a couple days now and the part of me that keeps me from running red lights, picking fights with people twice my size or asking women how much they weigh is screaming right now that I shouldn't say anything but I can't help myself. Call me a thrill seeker.
A variety of topics as covered by this thread...
I) Civil War-- Worst cross-over ever not only because it pitted heroes against heroes and made so many long-time comic fans hate the out-of-left-field-characterizations of their favorite heroes but because they screwed up the politics collosally.
Earlier someone mentioned that super hero registration in Civil War was meant to be an allegory or a direct comparrison to the Patriot Act. That's true. It was meant to be. Mark Millar is a left-wing nut job.
I'm not going to argue the merits or problems with the Patriot Act but in essence it allows the government to more closely monitor whoever they want to monitor.
That is very different from REGISTRATION. REGISTRATION means an individual must him or herself... wait for it... register. The "state" forces itself on an individual. They know who you are and what you've got in that holster.
In the United States of America we have gun registration. It's controversial. Guess who tends to be in favor of stricter gun control and registration laws... the left. Guess who tends to be in favor of fewer registration laws and less "control." The right.
The right always tosses out the Hitler argument. The great dictators of the world, Hitler included, always begin their encroachment on freedom, by registering those who could rise up to oppose them.
If you follow actual freedom v. registration logic (and this was the ONLY debate in Civil War) then Captain America is a conservative and Iron Man was the king of all liberals.
Anyone who actually read the books and the characterizations knows that that's the complete opposite of how Millar tried to color them. Cap was an idealized hippie and IM was portrayed as a raving right wing lunatic... especially interesting given his characterization in his own book right before Civil War as an idealized hippie complete with a new mentor / sidekick Berkley style professor who roamed around the SHIELD helicarrier in the nude while high on hippie lettuce.
It was at this point (Civil War) that I all but quit buying Marvel books. I don't mind interjecting a little bit of politics here and there but geez louise, at least get your basic political philosophy right.
II) America-- We are still the greatest nation in the history of the world, despite our faults and I'd take it over any other system or application of government on the planet. Period.
If I read the crowd correctly I'd say we've got maybe an 80 / 20 lib to conservative split here on these boards and of that 20 there's maybe a 1% minority who still supports the President. The 80%? Looks like about 75% of you hate America and have nothing nice to say about her or in her defense. And that's fine. Just keep in mind that the rest of the country isn't anything like this board. Yeah, W's approval numbers might be somewhere in the 30s right now but most of the country thinks this place pretty much kicks all kinds of backside. 90% of us are still proud to be Americans and a straight-up solid unflinching patriotic non-watered-down-no-BS Captain America would play huge domestically. And it'd play huge internationally too. Foreign governments might not like us and foreign citizens might think GWB is a dumb monkey but they don't hate America or what we represent.
III) Casting-- Only one thing to say... get that Vlad K. guy from the 13th Warrior to play Thor.
IV) Iron Man 2-- PLEASE please please don't make this a downer and make IM a total irreconcilable dick. The man just had a $100 million opening and is the current Marvel standard bearer. You're not going to do yourselves any favors by making him unlikeable (remember emo Pete?) and anyone who's followed the character for longer than the last two years knows he's one of the "Big 3" for a reason. And remember... Demon in a Bottle wasn't just a story about a guy's fall... it was a story about his redemption.
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While your basic premise is correct, the way you stated it, was a bit offensive and misses the broader cultural and international audience point. There was a little dust-up over an ethnic Chinese being cast as a Japanese in the movie Memoirs of a Geisha not too long ago. In America, we would just shrug, but if the goal is to market to a broader audience, as most movies are these days, and specifically - in the case of the geisha movie to a pan asian audience, then you have to be a little more aware of the cultural implications.
As for the RDJ comment about German or Irish-Catholic, well yes and no. The Godfather had a mostly Italian cast - with the notable exception of James Caan, but could you have really seen - lets say Redford as, as Micheal Corleone? No. So, ethnicity does matter - somewhat. Caan, was great as Sonny, but for every ethnic bending role that the movies get right, a dozen can be listed that they got wrong. Japanese and Chinese, Korean, and other asian races, are different. And I am not talking just in terms of their culture. There can be stark physical diferences. Some lighter in skin, some darker, some taller, some shorter. It does matter sometimes, and it can make a world of difference. -
so do you think Daniel rand deserves to be Chinese? just wondering
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Just got back from seeing theIron Men movie. It rocked man! gutted I missed the fake ending, I always leave as soon as the bad guy gets it. But apprently it was with samuel Jackson talking to Tony about the sequel. I have been thinking all day about how a sequel would work. Here is my thoughts.
Iron Men 2: The Revenge
Iron Man: Tony Stark
Polly Potts: Gwineth Paltrow
Red Skull: Charlton Heston
Stan Lee cameo of course. Would be kinda fun to see Iron Men losing his powers for a bit and then getting them back later. Glad this was a bit hit hopefully we shall see him fighting my other fave hero Superman in the cinema soon. Excelsias. -
I hope that was all justjokes. Lose his "powers?" He wears a specially equipped suit. You mean he loses the suit? fight Superman? different universe there scooter. I am comic book nerd. Hear me roar.
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does what I said make sense now?
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If you were a real comic book nerd you would know that Superman can fly to all universes. And for your information in my village a scooter is a man who sweeps roads, this is not my job. i am in IT.
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Thank you for typing my name in your subject line. I feel like I've... arrived... or something.
Your mom says "hi." Well "hi" and "stop interupting, son, this goat is amaaaaaazziiiiiinnggg.... ooooooooooooooooooooh!"
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thanks for clearing that up.
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I think the unspoken assumption everyone has (including Favreau) is that the sequel will probably explore Tony "losing" or giving up the armor to Jim Rhodes because of his (Stark's) alcoholism. This would be based on a storyline from the comics in the mid-1980s. The Iron Monger plotline from this first movie was from the alcohol storyline as well. Just google "Invicible Iron Man #170" and you'll find the comic cover with Rhodey donning the armor. For an extra geekasm, google #200 and you'll see Iron Man (Tony) fighting Iron Monger (Tony's wearing the red-and-white armor)
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Problem is it might be hard to find the right actor who's specifically of Chinese descent. I believe that even many Asian countries themselves are melting pots of different Asian ethnicities, why not a Korean actor. It is acting btw. Anyway, K'un Lun, I think, is more of a mystical place anyway, as opposed to an actual place in China.
Maybe Danny Rand could be half-Western, half-Chinese. My point is a character like Iron Fist isn't exactly Marvel canon, changing to fit a more modern broader view of the world wouldn't shake up the precious Marvel Universe any. It's not like making Nick Fury a black guy or anything. Oh, wait... -
it's just really unneccessy, and could result in an essential part of the character being lost.
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you can actually converse with your fellow talkbackers about the stuff we all want to talk about instead of resorting to lame insults and offesive nonsense. Spread the word, THERE IS HOPE! Then again, sometimes a good tiff between talkbackers can be hilarious. I remember when Land of the Dead came out and some fools argued for hours about which was better, fast zombies or slow zombies. I laughed pretty fuckin hard, and immediately wanted to become a talkbacker. Ambitious? You bet your ass.
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You make some valid points, but at the same time, you twist some logic, and facts, to fit your own view. First, the valid points.
Civil War was total garbage, for every reason you mentioned. I think that about sums that up.
I have no idea about Millars politics, but lets say he is a left winger. Does that automaticaly make him a nut job? A bad writer - yes.
I agree that drawing a parallel between the Patriot act and Registration is a stretch. But you cannot dismiss the fact that both are extremely intrusive to American Freedom. In real life, Republican's tend to back the Act, and Dems(liberal and otherwise, because there are more than just liberal Democrats) tend to be against it. Who is protecting your freedom more? Registration does exist. Ever hear of Registering for the draft? And I do not mean the NFL draft. Selective Service. Every male in the U.S. 18-25 must register. They already know who you are. Now, as for Cap and IM. It was a travesty what they did to Tony Stark/Iron Man's character. IM was always a low key, conservative -and I do not mean Republican or right wing(although he may have been), but conservative in that he was not a flamboyant type. Stark, on the other hand, was nothing but flamboyant. Cap has always had conservative values, but he has exhibited a surprising liberal streak. His partnering with the Falcon in the 1970's being the height of it. My point is, you can not pigeon hole either character. The Hitler reference is simply pathetic. That is a right wing revisionist canard, that tries to put Hitler in a leftist camp. But I will concede one point, the meaning of fascism has evolved over time, and there is a debate over where the term will ultimately end up, but most scholars put fascism firmly in the far right wing.
I say you are reading the board incorrectly. There are far more moderate and or libertarian voices on here i.e. not liberal or not conservative, than extremist. The extremists - on both sides, tend to 'yell' louder though.
And I completely reject what you said about '75% of the 80%' hating America. That is pure bullshit.
These boards may hate W, may hate extremists of either stripe, but that does not translate into hating America.
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A Japanese actor can certainly play a Chinese role. A European can certainly play someone from another European country. But Nationalism is almost always problematic - it closes off lots of opportunities for cultural diversity. I have no problem with a black Nick Fury or a black Kingpin (though, for some reason, I had more of a problem with Jessica Alba as Sue Storm than any of those). Anyway, all of that doesn't mean that all Asian ethnicities are the same in reality, and that 'yellow is yellow' isn't incredibly racist. Anyway, kungfuhustler is absolutely right: the key to Rand's character is his otherness, and his ability to cross cultural boundaries respectfully. Messi may be a douchebag, but he's right about one thing. The current Iron Fist title is the best presentation of the character so far, in my opinion. I never really cared about the Rand character until I read that title.
Yo Mom's Goat, some good insights on Civil War, but I think you're oversimplifying the situation. In interviews, Millar has said that he's surprised how many people saw Stark as the villain of the piece, because he personally thought Stark was in the right. So dividing the argument into conservative/liberal only gets you so far. Another point you've missed is that outside the main title, many different writers with different views and perspectives wrote the various Civil War crossovers, so there wasn't some monolithic political position being touted. Heck, in the Frontline series, Captain America comes off as a total self-righteous dick. Despite some weaker elements of the execution, I think Civil War was a significant game changer in the Marvel universe that addressed certain elements of the current political environment rather well without providing easy answers (and provided a way to shake up the Marvelverse in interesting ways). In my mind, a much more successful "event" than House of M, World War Hulk, or (gag) One More Day. -
I do indeed think Daniel Rand, should be the Iron Fist. No need to mess with his ethnic background.
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Thats crazy - Who is Daniel Rand. Only one guy to play Ron Fist and that is Dan Shanks.
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some of the worst casting for a comic book movie ever. The polar opposite of RDJ as Stark.
Everybody should be readin Iron Fist. Well, the creative team is changing now so I don't know about the next issue but I can tell you the current Brubaker arc just finished on a pitch perfect note, so if you haven't jumped on the bandwagon yet (for shame!) you can always buy the trades.
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I dunnoe man, I used to be the number1 xmen fan, i saw both films, my fave superhero was wolverine but I also like Iceman (altough I preferd in him in Spiderman and his Friends) I kinda didn't bother too much with the comics but I LOVED the movies man. Thoughts?
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Cyclops is an incredible character if done the right way(like in Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men and Messiah Complex) and I was really disappointed they killed him off right from the start. Also, the combination of the mutant cure plot and the phoenix plot was too much. Spider Man 3 had the same problem with combining two separate plots, causing the film as a whole to suffer as they both diverted from, rather than complimented each other. then again, Messiah Complex kind of has the same problem as Last Stand in terms of the overabundance of characters. X Men 2 is one of the best comic book movies ever. Nightcrawler has always been one of my favorite X-Men and his scene in the White house is fan-fucking-tastic. The first one was fun, but had its stupid moments. I have also always had a problem with the movies' focus on Logan rather than the x-men as a team, which can be so much more dynamic and entertaining. Wolverine is really great when used wisely(once again, check out Astonishing X-Men for a great example of how to use him.) Give him his moments, but make room for the rest of the time to enjoy their screen time too.
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...has to stand as THE worst casting for a comic book movie. At least Jessica Alba is hot and we got to see her in her underoos. DD was already a bad movie from the moment they finished the script, but Ben Affleck's presence made the movie near unwatchable.
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Now there's a flick that could use some Marvel re-tooling. There's nowhere to go but up on that one...
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i kind of liked Daredevil
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When the filmmakers decided to make him an insufferable prick w/little to no depth. That was not the tragic Cyclops/Scott Summers from the comic books, and unfortunately, they decided to make Wolverine the heart of the film at the expense of Cyclops. Such a waste. Singer kind of made up for it by making the excellent action film that was X2, but the mistake comes full circle when he's completely punked in Last Stand (which should officially be considered a bad dream, btw)
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Then I'm afraid that's where we really differ.
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too think I was excited when the Hulk Thor and Daredevil TV movies came out. Wow!
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Chasing Amy, Sum of All Fears, and Hollywoodland. Other than that, he has always sort of bored me. Just my opinion.
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I think that's why it didn't bother me so much. It had some plot holes (how the hell can he afford all this as a struggling lawyer?) and the casting was not that great, but it worked as a stupid little movie.
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That guy can play anybody.
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the Directors Cut more than the movie I saw in the theatre.Also, count me in as not caring for Civil War. I really think Marvel dropped the ball on that one. Personally, I wish they would not do these grand storylines.
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Beast was my favorite in the show. I always loved when they would go into space or when they went to the Savage Land.
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Maybe the only good apple in a barrel of rotten ones aka MSJ's "DD"
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But will they bleach his skin? Or is he just that good that he can make his skin look white? Because you know that the rich white investors will never let a black man represent America. Harlem, maybe. But not the whole country. Fuck, we'd sooner have a black president! Oh wait...
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I like the guy. Think he's more or less enjoyable to watch most of the time. But, I don't know that I would call him a chameleon for his Bullseye. I mean, sure the accent must have been tough for him to pull off, but...
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http://tinyurl.com/5u2mz3
Brad Beyer (from JERICHO) as Steve Rogers.
End of discussion.
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Skin bleaching that is...
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Yeah, but if he did that, they may as well cut out the middleman and just cast Elizabeth Taylor as Cap.
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1st things first... I'm not dropping the Hitler bomb... I'm pointing it out that it has been dropped by conservatives. Facism, by the way, no matter how folks have tried to change it's meaning or understanding, is a far-right-wing philosophical application. I would personally entertain the argument that it's so far right that it actually circumnavigates the entire discussion and becomes leftist, but that's neither here nor there.
The argument that Cap and the Falcon in the 70s was liberal... ummm... going to disagree with you there. Take a look at the era in it's context. Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act. Republicans marched with MLK. Democrats defended Jim Crow and segregation in the south. Freedom and equality are the cornerstones of american conservatism... in that way Cap and Falcon were the picture of conservatism realized. Note, please, that I said conservatism, not "republicanism."
The 75% argument... I read american haters on these boards every single day. It's very VERY rare that anyone objects. Still, I suppose 75% might be a little harsh... my bad. 70 maybe.
Selective service sucks... but for the sake of clarity, let's remember that every 21st century suggestion about the reinstitution of a draft have come from some of the more liberal Democrats in Congress (I'm talking to you, Congressman Rangell).
What else...
Millar is a lefty, of course he thought Stark was in the right. He imbued the character with by-the-book big-government lefty philosophies... but then he tried to SELL him as a neo-con.
That's my problem. Not the way they tried to characterize them... although personally I've always figured Tony Stark and Captain America are the two super heroes from any company most likely to vote straight party Republican... just get your philosophies and your characterizations straight.
You're right about other authors tweaking here and there... I won't argue that. But for the sake of clarity, I was talking about the main editorial thrust of the cross-over.
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on a PA earth.
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Good post. You summed up exactly how I felt about X2. Always felt that they should have saved Wolverine's search for his own movie.
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In defense of 70's Cap being "liberal": What about the whole "Nomad" thing? A president, strongly hinted to be Nixon (Republican) leads a terrorist cell and Cap changes his indentity into Nomad because he's so upset? Granted, I said Nixon was "Republican" and not "Conservative," however, based on your explaination of Conservativism and your cited examples of Republicans acting in a synonymous manner, it seems safe to say that the two ideas, at the time, were relatively similar. And with Cap literally quiting his position because he was so opposed to the behavior of the highest ranking Republican official... well, I know politics cannot be broken down into "your either liberal or conservative," but it does present a rather compelling arguement for Cap's liberialism, as per your examples. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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I have posted earlier on this talkback on my feelings concerning Wolverine and how he should be used sparingly, so I can actually totally agree. Still it didn't bother me too much with all the other nice little moments in the movie. Pretty much every line from Mystique was great, we get some great hints at Pyro's future, and once again, that Nightcrawler scene is just supremely badass. Seeing colossus too ws a major geekgasm, especially when Logan told him to help the kids, I knew he would be on the team for the next one. Too bad he was suffocated along with every other character by tons of other nonsense. I still think an X-men movie should find a balance between the whole team, not just focus on one character.
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Wolverine is one of the top five most popular Marvel characters. It makes sense then to center an X-Men film (which has to appeal to the masses) around the most popular character, and in turn, make him the romantic lead. And if the audience is going to root for Wolverine (as far as getting the girl and all that), then formulaicaly they have to root against someone else. That character was unfortunately Cyclops. It's a shame, because I've always been a fan of Scott Summers and feel it could have been handled differently while still making Wolverine the center of the movie.
Also, in X2, I don't think Logan so much looks for his past (he does go searching at the end of X1 and beginning of X2) as it finds him, through Stryker, who is the main villain. Remember, the X-Men went to the abandoned military base in order to save Professor X and humanity, not to learn where Wolverine comes from. -
Wasn't that the period where they reworked Iron Man into more of an anti-war figure? Because he definately started out as a pro-Vietnam War, anti-communism hero. Look at his rogues gallery for fucks sake. 90% of them are Chinese or Soviet (Russian). Then there was all the backlash against the war from younger people (their target demo) and all of a sudden Iron Man had to see that the weapons he was making were killing both sides of the conflict and damn it but that just wasn't OK! So, while I wouldn't really say that Iron Man became an "anti-war" comic, they definately altered it to reflect a less hawkish stance. So, it's not unreasonable to suspect that this sort of thing wasn't fairly widespread amongst most if not all of Marvel's titles.
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Agree. That was my other problem with the first X-Men, that Singer failed or didn't want to make it a true "team" film. I understand that doing that can risk a film becoming disjointed and uncentered, but I think the Fantastic Four, with all its failures, succeeded in doing that. So it can be done.
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I said "wasn't" and meant "was." Easy mistake because their meanings are so similar.
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The reason that I don't think X-Men could pull off the same easy team dynamic as FF is that, since it HAS to be an origin movie because it's the first movie of a comic book series, you can't have the X-Men team already formed and ready to go. With FF, the characters all knew eachother already. The family dynamic was in place before the opening credits. For an X-Men origin movie, you have to bring several new characters together who don't really know eachother (Wolverine, Rogue, and Xavier's little squad) and then create the relationships from scratch. FF had the luxery of skipping that step because the characters had already known eachother for decades. So, while I agree that FF did the team dynamic thing better, they had a serious advantage in terms of character relationships on the team.
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he'd be great for C.A.
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The 60's was the height of the Cold War with Russia, and this Red Scare informed a lot of Stan Lee's stories. Bruce Banner becomes the Hulk because a Russian spy called The Gargoyle sabotages him. Dr. Doom is from an Eastern Bloc country. And so on...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knZuskFYVe8
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You seem to have a problem presenting the entire truth of an argument. The Hitler comment, for example. You brought it up, and tried to associate it with a liberal leftists. Then you say, the republicans are saying that. That is disengenuous, at the very least. And regarding Republicans and the Civil Rights Bill. Uh, the Republicans certainly helped pass the bill, but they did not 'pass' civil rights by themselves, nor even sponsor it. The final tally was 73-27. There were 67 Dems in the Senate, and 33 Republicans. A Republican Senator was instrumental in the Cloture, that stopped the debate and allowed the bill to be voted on. It was indeed his finest moment, but the Dems voted overwhelmingly to pass the bill. You need to make an argument without citing conservative propaganda.
As for Cap n the 1970's, I think Julian_Wells explained that quite well. Bringing up Jim Crow in an argument, is a pointless diversion, unless you are willing to dive very deep into the history of recontruction, and the aftermath of 19th and 20th century politics that had a shifting of agendas. I will stipulate that the party of Lincoln, was Republican. Furthermore, Blacks voted for Republicans, and the Klan was mostly made up of southern democrats, and 20 southern democrat senators voted against the cloture. But agendas change, and in the 1960's, it was the democrat party that was seen as progressive and all encompassing, not the Republican party.
As for the '70%' anti American attitude you sense, you are just completely wrong. Just because someone does not say 'America is great' after every post, does not make them anti American. This forum is not a political on per se. I have not come across much if any anti American posting - from Americans on this site that is. Please show some examples. -
Has anyone seen this?!! It's a great little CGI story with Iron Man, Spidey and Hulk!!
This is how I'd like to see the Marvel Movies in the future with the Characters together!!
Iron Man's Adventure Pt. 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFnWeIzVsg&feature=related
Pt. 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wch19zFJHWU&feature=related
Pt. 3
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Julian... I didn't say that 70s Cap was conservative... I said that Cap's relationship with the Falcon in the 70s was conservative. Not liberal.
As far as Iron Man's villains in the 70s, particularly the early 70s during the war, that's when he fought the Crimson Dynamo and the Titanium Man. And worked with the Black Widow.
Heck, even during the 80s he was a part of the space race... see cover #142.
Remember, he didn't get his own title until 1968.
As far as the "whole argument" thing... Republicans voted solidly as a block in favor of the civil rights act. Democrats couldn't pass it even with an overwhelming majority in the Senate and as a percentage voted against it in much larger numbers.
And yeah, Jim Crow is devisive. So's Hitler. I'm noticing you don't like those. I don't like them either. Sad parts of world and American history. Doesn't mean they didn't happen. -
Did I say anything about TDK or Nolan? (Were you, by any chance, that BATMAN BEGINS SUCKS ASS guy?)
I stand firm behind my opinion: Iron Man wasn't that great. Entertaining yet forgettable.So, yeah, you're a real pleasure to talk with. Keep it real. -
I'd say that's more of Cap being anti-criminal than anything else. Perfectly in character. You think conservatives didn't feel betrayed by Tricky Dick?
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I am way too lazy and easily distracted to be expected to actually read the entirity of the conversation that I'm forcing my way into. I was basing my response off of this sentence: "The argument that Cap and the Falcon in the 70s was liberal... ummm... going to disagree with you there," which I read as saying that Cap AND Falcon were conservative, not that Cap and Falcon's relationship was conservative. I know. I know. Goddamn internet causing subtextual confusion. Anyway, I'm STILL too lazy and easily distracted to go back and find your initial post, but if you were talking about their relationship, and not their individual characters, then my bad. And I know that Iron Man fought all the Cold War villains and whatnot. That's what I was saying. But his character started out much more "YAY!!! FUCK THE VIETNAMESE!!! (and, by proxy, the Chinese and the Soviets)," than he ended up.
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...got a little TOO liberal at times...if you know what I mean...mmm hmmm...
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And no, I'm sure that conservatives felt betrayed by Nixon. It's just that Nixon was, by default, the leader of the Republican party, and Rogers' abandoning of the Cap persona based on the actions of said official suggests a percieved link between the Cap costume and the people he felt betrayed by. And since, I'm fairly certain, Cap didn't feel like the costume represented CRIMINALS, the next logical association that he could have made would have been with an idealistic US political system, which he was clearly disillusioned by. And since the man who did that WAS the head of the Republican party... I mean, I feel like, regardless of political affiliation, there's some merit here.
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I dunno. Cap is an A-list Marvel hero. He could probably do better than the Falcon. I think if he was gonna go gay for anyone it would be Black Goliath. I mean, Bill Foster could have used the Goliath nickname even if he didn't have Pym particle powers. Because he's black. With a huge black penis. They say that he could grow 25 feet tall and lift 10 tons. And I say, well, what about the rest of his body?
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Bucky "Winter Soldier" Barnes. He'd be perfect. Little angsty, but whose not these days.
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http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=8658 Has anyone seen the cover for this yet? Please tell me that's a goddamn shadow and that Iron Man does NOT have a nose!
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That stupid title says it all, even if it's a "working title." Marvel is going to unleash cinematic stupidity upon the world very soon. Most of you may have enjoyed "Iron Man," but the seeds are there. I hope I'm wrong...but the writing is on the wall...
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What about Ryan Reynolds as Capt? http://tinyurl.com/w8gpf
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Is a Canadian. Daniel Craig is British. Besides, Reynolds has gotta play Green Lantern.
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gotta say, this is the one of the first superhero flick talkbacks that hasn't resorted to mindless bashing. I like it.
comments on X-Men and Cyclops. Singer would have had an uphill battle making Cyclops a main character in a film, given that we can't see his eyes. So many things were weak about those films, but so many other things were great. I'd like to think that most of the mistakes were because of Rothman and Fox studio influence. Like the casting of Halle Berry, for instance. Now I'm not one of those people who's automatically against Ms. Berry. I do think she's a fine actress. But just miscast. At the time I would have gone for the fan favorite, Angela Bassett. Nowadays, I still say Gina Torres would be perfect. Anyway, Berry's characterization was way inconsistent (especially with the magically disappearing accent). But she was far too American. Storm should be a barely Americanized African who still has roots to her exotic past. Halle Berry just does not exude African weather goddess. Anyway, back to Cyclops. What I think worked in the X-Men script are the little shorthand scenes. The ones that indicate the long history between Scott and Xavier, or how Stewart read the line about Magneto helping to build Cerebro which laid out an entire back story in one line. Or Logan's 'Every time' in response to Rogue's 'does it hurt'? I had no problem with the reinvention of Rogue - obviously you couldn't do the comic origin with the whole Ms. Marvel thing. I think how they portrayed Logan and Rogue's relationship (especially when they heal each other) was a really nice way to represent Logan's continual mentoring relationships with younger female characters in the comic (Jubilee, Kitty Pryde), and I'm still touched by that climactic scene between them in the first film. However, once Rogue was set up so well in the first film, they didn't know what to do with her. It would have been interesting for it to be her and not Pyro who defected and had her develop an adoptive daughter relationship with Mystique (another vastly underwritten character for film). In fact, I think it was Joss Whedon (but I could be wrong) who said he would have had X3 be an extension of the Dark Phoenix theme with a lot of the characters getting too much power. This would have been the perfect opportunity for Rogue to go too far and absorb someone entirely, leading her to go insane and turn against the X-Men. Wolverine would get too feral and have a harder and harder time pulling it back. I think this would have made for a much more interesting script, with more emphasis on character and less on mindless scenes of nameless mutants battling each other. Which is funny, because it's Joss' cure story that they lifted. But they could have taken a page from the Nolan playbook and had X3 be about escalation. Because, damn it, there should have been Sentinels in X3. Not Danger Room Sentinels. But real freakin' big robots developed by the government. The threat of extinction. The cure should have been treated in a later film, or at least have it be developed as a way to stop Jean, but not go into the whole 'will you get the cure or not' in a 4th film. I do think they were right to attach Beast to that part of the movie, one of the few things they did right in X3. Anyway, I think if they did the Dark Phoenix thing, and maybe she did still 'kill' Xavier, then, damn it, it should have been Cyclops rallying the troops and being the team leader for once. The Dark Phoenix story should have been about Scott reeling from the resurrection and change of his true love and the death of his father figure, Xavier. Wolverine could still have played the mentor role for the younger types, being the one that gives it to the kids straight and acts as a liason, while Cyclops played military commander and called the shots. And actually have Logan trust him. And Iceman. Same problem with Raimi's Peter Parker. Too much emo angst, not enough wisecrack. And developing an actual relationship between Kitty Pryde and Colossus. Having Nightcrawler return and become a swashbuckling hero. God, so many things. At least this Wolverine film seems to be reworking that stupid Sabretooth wrestler thing. Anyway, my point is Singer's heart was definitely in the right place and the first two movies were essential in the evolution of the current superhero film wave, but he was probably constrained by so many things with Fox. Heck, even the X3 scriptwriters have complained that things didn't turn out the way they intended. If the rumors are true about this Young X-Men thing being a prequel, maybe it can correct some of the mistakes.
But hey, I hope everyone keeps this thread going even through the summer. We should have one thread that's for intelligent discussion of these topics, where every other comment isn't another stupid Singer or Ang Lee bash.
One last thing - I did not mind Affleck as Daredevil one bit. I actually liked the director's cut somewhat. The movie was just a bit stylistically schlocky. In the hands of a more nuanced director and screenwriter, things could improve. Though I don't think Affleck would return anyway, since he's slagged on the movie so much.
Almost done here. The Iron Man controversy: I thought the story went that Stan Lee had written him as a gung-ho commie basher until the tide of public opinion turned against the Vietnam War and Lee started to feel more and more conflicted about presenting a jingoistic weapons dealer hero. In essence, Lee WAS the later Stark, the guy who started to feel guilty about what he had wrought and began to seek redemption. But I could be wrong. -
Just found this on another site. Apparently they cast an unknown Australian actor as a young Scott Summers (?). Check it out: http://forums.superherohype.com/s howthread.php?t=302001
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Well done- spot on on your usual moronic tells. Nice that you don't actually try to defend the point that you are worse than those you label fanboy/ nerd.You are a stupid, obsessive, drooling fanboy hypocrite of the lowest order. Remind me again what Iron Man had to do with your Green Lantern obsession? For the record I think you are right about Captain America (the sun shines on a dog's arse on some days)- the majority of the UK is put off by excessive American patriotism, and there is no getting around the title- even though there is a lot of name recognition.
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which political party authored that? Hrrrmmmmmm....
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First. I don't think Iron Man's charecterization is less popular and marvel know about it, Iron Man has sold more than ever before so I doubt it's to fix Stark, I think they've got balls and will keep it this way. Unless he gets confronted by his teenage self. Second the Iron Fist thing is a silly thing, please check it out, they're only up to issue 14 I think, but it;s a whole reinvention. Just because you mgiht not have liked Iron fist before doesn't mean he's not good now. 2 great writers, one being a god came in and reinvented the thing. If anything it's like the change from Lee and Kirby's X-men to Claremont and Byrne's X-men. A whole reinvention with some of the best storytelling there is. You won't regret it. And my god the art. It's basically a whole different thing now.
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A blogger brought this up, i think from CBR. It actually changed the Marvel U, it wasn't a waste like House of M or Infinite Crisis/One Year Later. House of M killed most of the mutants so it was something but still lacking in execution but Infinite crisis virtually did nothing. 52 brought back the multiverse but Infinite Crisis could have been so much better. Civil War changed the landscape and because of Civil War we got a sweet New Avengers title with that awesome new team and if it took civil war to get that then i'm for it. Plus what made Cap a leftist etc was the one line that totally stuck with me when they tell Cap that he has to register and he tells Maria Hill(what a bitch) that if they register the Government will tell them who the bad guys are etc. The reason why Cap went all Nomad is because in his day presidents and politicians were good people(probably not but he was naive) and now it's all about power and he finally realized that, which is why he became dissulusioned.
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The whole reason I got ticked off is because of your comment about Green Lantern, you make it sound so childish and to my mind it's ignorant to make such a comment by taking it at face value. When everyone who reads it knows it's a one of the best titles there is, it's violently epic and has one of the best mythologies in comics. And yes I doubt any of the brits or australians will see a Captain America movie. Unless they get into him through Avengers.
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Is your constant fucking cries of "Fanboy" regardless of how well constructed the argument is coupled with your constant shilling of a B-list character. You are a hypocrite nerd, and need to accept your geekiness. Look at the post above- You've just given an encyclopeadic explanation of the marvel universe (down to fucking issue numbers for chrissake). Just accept your nerdiness, and stop caling other people "fanboy" or "nerd" when you are probably the biggest geek posting here. And that's saying something, And before you say anything, of course it's childish. So is Star Wars/ almost every comic property/ and a whole shit load of other things. Being childish is not the same as being poor.
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No the fanboy thing has nothing to do with how much you love comics, i'm a comic book geek that's for sure, but fanboys are the ones who are never happy and resistant to change. IE Superboy Prime is a metatextual character that comments on fanboys who whine about things in comics. Not me. Industrykiller yes. Call me a geek if you want but i don't fit the bill of fanboy. Plus i'm not the only one shilling Green Lantern, Abin Sur, Laserpants, the reviewers on this site, every comic site there is. Maybe I just think people should read it since it's the best Star Wars stories since Empire.
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call them a pedant, or a cockusucker (this is AICN after all) or whatever (In fact, you've given a very accurate description of Ringwearer9 there). From urban dictionary: "An extremely devoted follower of a particular media (i.e. film, film director, band, TV series, writer) who takes their love a step further by deriding those who have an opposing opinion. Early use of the term had been directed to anime and Stars Wars "geeks". However, growing popularity of both has limited this stereotype and "newer" fanboy subjects tend to be more polarizing in popularity. Typically, fanboys spend their time lurking around internet messageboards, calling any detractor of their media a "troll", "idiot" or just allege detractor(s) don't "understand" particular subject. Knee-jerk responses like this (over rational, intelligent discussion) makes for quick and easy attribution. Fanboys are also known for creating their own realities and interpretations of their beloved subjects." Sound familiar?
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In all his movies he never seems to catch a break even though hes a great guy in just about all of them. Like in Supes Returns, X-men 3, the Note Book. Hes a goood actor
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The poor guy won't catch a break if he's Cap, either. Iron Man will probably steal his girlfriend. Scratch Mr. Marsden from the list, please.
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So i'm wrong about the Superboy Prime commentary? Industrykiller is a fanboy, if you read my posts I never attacked anyone for not liking Green Lantern, I attacked them for making opinions when they haven't even read the books, there is a difference. Because that is ignorance. A fanboy is the guy who whines about how they rape their favourite character and things aren't how they are supposed to be. There are countless articles and forum threads on this all spinning out of infinite crisis.
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I've no idea if you are right about the superboy thing. The reason I'm going after you for this is that you bandy the term fanboy around with absolute abandon when you don't know what it means, and worse you are probably the biggest fanboy on here.
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I called Industrykiller a fanboy because he doesn't like anything and only complains about stuff in comic books, that's a fanboy, thats what people on newsarama, chud, comic bookresources determine as fanboy. again nowhere did I attack someone because i didn't agree with their opinion on green lantern. One thing is industrykiller attacking me cos he thinks j strazynski's run on spidey was shit when i liked it and he named all these silly reasons, that's a fanboy. me attacking you for saying the whole 'ohhh magic rings' i mean that's ignorant, it's taking something at face value and my argument that it's the same as saying 'star wars is lame ohh magic swords' but we know that's not the truth. i said it because i think it's ignorant to look at green lantern like that when it's the most acclaimed superhero comic there probably is, look up the review of GL 25 on this very site and the reactions people have. I still don't see how that makes me a fanboy, if you read the thing and you said 'nah i don't like it' and i said 'well you're an idiot because you don't know shit' then i'd probably be a fanboy.
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You are a fanboy because you have an obsessive love of a relatively obscure geek subject, and when faced with criticisms of said subject respond with tirades of abuse. Now, as a Green Lantern ignorami, I will tell you that it is, for me, completely unappealing and I will stay happily ignorent of it. It doesn't matter how much you wail and gnash your teeth, or call me an idiot, but at the end of the day it is about a guy with a magic ring. Or even worse a legion of guys with magic rings.I'm aware of the hypocrisy of this, but every time you proclaim sinestro corps war to be the greatest thing since sliced bread you put me off it a bit more.
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perfectly why you are a fanboy- His argument as to why civil war is not good is reasoned and clear. Your response is to tell him to "shut the fuck up" and ignore every point he makes. That's pretty prime fanboy behaviour.
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I like James Mardsen and feel his role as Scott / Cyclops in X-Men didn't give him enough to work with. His acting in Hairspray and Enchanted alone (not to mention Supes Returns) proved to me he's a lot more rounded. Can he be Cap? I dunno. They'd have to blonde up his hair a bit and make him work out like a freak, and THEN juice him full of 'roids. And then we geeks would have to get past the idea that the same actor plays two Marvel heroes. That's a lot to ask, but it's certainly not a disparagement of Mardsen's talent. He's no Bruce Campbell, but he's cool
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I don't know why, and I'm not even sure how he popped into my skull. I'm not a huge fan, but when I was thinking of 30-something blonde actors, his named appeared in my Cerebrolodex. Pump him full of 'roids and set 'im loose with a star-spangled costume and shield, bitches.
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I like your biblical language, like "wail" and "gnash your teeth." That is why you are a scribe of consummate regard
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I thought I heard something about it a few years ago.
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He can play suave with a southern accent in the Notebook. Play a comedic caricature (oxymoron?) of a prince in Enchanted, and can do the intense superhero roles even though as the X-Men movies continued his screen time got less and less. That is a good thing as if you give him a blond dye job he'd be perfect as Rogers/America. As you didn't see his face in the X-Men movies except for a few brief seconds, no one is going to go out of their way and say "hey, that's Cyclops, are he and Cap brothers?"
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May 07, 2008 7:39:05 AM CDT
It's interesting that there was nothing in his
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X contract saying he couldn't promote any DC product. When anyone makes a Pepsi or Coke commercial their contract has fine print saying they cannot promote the rival product. I'm surpised a movie contract didn't have that clause.
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James Marsden could work as Cap, and he would need to bulk up a bit, but not too much. The early Cap wasn't a juiced up monster.sinestro corps war!!!!!!
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You have a point--Mardsen wore Cyclops goggles for most of X-men. A lot of people wouldn't notice. You're right. So give him a blonde dye job and blue contacts and suit him up. It worked for Alba in F4. Oh wait, it didn't.
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I seem to be involved in a lot of silly battles recently. I must be getting more argumentative in my old age.Sinestro Corps Banana Yoghurt ORGY!!!!!
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SINESTRO CORPS DIY SESSION!!!!!SINESTRO CORPS GAME OF TENNIS !!!! SINESTRO CORPS CROSSWORD PUZZLE. this could be very funny
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I have been following your battle with Messi, from your explainations, and his attempts at deflecting the truth, one can only conclude that he is a fanboy in denial. Anyone who hurls invective at someone who disagrees that 'so-and-soMan' is the 'greatest comic book of all time' well, they are a fanboy.
Worse still, they are someone who can only appreciate a limted view - their own. Until you have read a shitload of books, over a shitload of years, it is pointless to say 'this is the greatest comic book of all time'. And even then, it is a purely subjective assessment.
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It's been like banging my head off a brick wall arguing with him
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Now with more fanatical fanboy fiber.
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The kids love it...
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"You dropped the soap Abin, bend over so I can properly inspect your 'magic ring', you know you want me to, bitch"
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Can Hal Jordan turn around a failing restaurant without the help of his magic ring? We doubt it.
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24 galactic superheroes locked in a house. See the real interspecies drama: "You ate the last piece of cheese Abin", "Fuck you Hal, you used my magic ring when I was asleep, anyway I fancy GL 21 and you know it".
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Sinestro Corps Summer Camp
Sinestro Corps Full Throttle
Sinestro Corps Awapuhi Kiwi Conditioner
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something lame onto the end of Sinestro Corps, as "Sinestro Corps" sounds faintly ridiculous itself. Therefore I'm going to change the first bit from now on: CARE BEARS WAR FANBOY WARPINK BRIGADE WAR nope that's too easy as well.
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Grilled sinestro corps on rye is also good.
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It was a bit sinestry though...
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"SINESTRO CORPS is the finest food you can possibly cram in your pie hole. In fact I wish everything was more Sinestro-esque. And if you don't believe me you are an idiot cunce and I will punch you" Guess the User.
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Simply sinestrous.
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No Superfriends. Just the Legion of Doom. Have them get regular jobs in offices and shit (but keep them in costume). Make them take buses and trains to work, get Starbucks, etc. It'll be great.
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I was hoping this thread would stay primarily about Marvel stuff, and with nice civil dialogue without people calling names. So much for that. Welcome to AICN.
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It was a very good thought.
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And if any thread is about any sort of superhero, there's the regulars who either love/hate said superhero, and call anyone who disagrees with them a cunt/shit stain/fucknut..etc.
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I had to throw that in.
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Even when a thread is sucessfully hijacked, and the mutants are kept out because the conversation does not involve a superhero, the thread still disappears.
What you need is a thread that is off the main page, that still attracts a loyal following due to the content.
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that happens quite a lot- be sure of it.
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I hardly come on here but I had to say something. I've been following this battle between you and messi and yeah he comes off as an asshole but he's actually right. His point is not that he's a fanboy because you attacked something he likes, generally fanboys get angry when someone attacks something that they thought wasn't very good(like the whole stuff that came out of Identity Crisis/Infinite Crisis about darkness in characters etc), but you haven't even read any Green Lantern. It's pretty ignorant to say it's lame and just about a dude with a magic ring. I keep thinking of that attitude and maybe people had that to Daredevil in the 80's when people were propping Frank Miller's run but assumption and ignorance kept them away from it. And attacking Sinestro Corps War and making fun of it? c'mon man that's ludicrous. What's wrong with someone propping something awesome. Maybe you should see why messi is so crazy about it and why other people on this site(yes alot of people thought it was very awesome and worthy of promoting) liked it so much and would say thing like "the blackest night" in a subject heading. Making fun of Sinestro Corps is like making fun of retarded children or the empire strikes back and on a geek site? That's actually pretty silly. Maybe you should go somewhere else. I'm surprised no one has really come to defend it. Maybe you should read Geoff Johns' run on Green Lantern, you just might like it. It's pretty sad someone attacking something on a geek site that is itself geeky but it's actually good.
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