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@@@@ X-O MANOWAR: BIRTH 8-pg Contest Extended! @@@@ Q & @ with author Whitley Strieber about THE NYE INCIDENTS! @@@@ The Tournament Continues: Round Two! @@@@



What’s SHOOT THE MESSENGER?

Well, AICN COMICS: SHOOT THE MESSENGER is your weekly one stop shop for comic book news that’s dropped in the previous week. Thanks to Newsarama, CBR, Wizard, etc. for reporting it as it breaks. Click on the links for the original stories. This column cuts the crap to run down all the vital information for those of you who don’t follow it as it comes in, and serves it all up with that special ingredient of @$$y goodness. It’s also the place for interviews, previews, and special reports.
Slow news week this week, but that doesn’t mean that we don’t have stuff for you!


XO-MANOWAR: BIRTH CONTEST

Hey folks, Ambush Bug here. I want to give everyone a chance to take part in our X-O MANOWAR Contest. To commemorate the release of Valiant’s new trade paperback of the recollected and remastered version of the popular series X-O MANOWAR, entitled BIRTH, which includes all new material and remastered panels. Afew lucky Valiant fans will walk away with the X-O MANOWAR: BIRTH Hardcover Trade Paperback.
15 lucky contestants will win the X-O MANOWAR: BIRTH Hardcover Trade Paperback.
5 will win copies signed by the creators.
And 1 lucky winner will receive a signed copy of the book plus a sketch by the creators.
How do you win, well it looks like HARBINGER is getting the big screen treatment soon, I thought it’d be fun to cast both a HARBINGER film and, just for shits and giggles, cast an X-O MANOWAR film as well (who knows, maybe we’ll inspire some Hollywood execs with our picks).
So send a short email here with your casting picks for an X-O MANOWAR and HARBINGER movie.

Deadline is Friday (5/9/08). Winners will be announced in next Monday’s AICN COMICS NEWS: SHOOT THE MESSENGER Column (5/12/08).


Ambush Bug back again with another Q & @. This time we’re chatting with Whitley Strieber writer of COMMUNION and creator of the new original graphic novel THE NYE INCIDENTS. This is a fascinating read from Devil’s Due Publishing mixing the alien abductions, cow mutilations, and serial killers. Let’s see what Mr. Strieber had to say about THE NYE INCIDENTS.
@$$HOLES (@): I found the NYE INCIDENTS #1 to be a fascinating read. The first issue did a great job of introducing an intriguing mystery; sprinkling just enough clues to tease us like the video tape showing the UFO cult, the mutilated bodies, the ties to cow mutilations and even the dreams the main characters suffers from as she obsesses about solving the crime. The book sets the mystery in a context that is very well could happen. Is this based on any actual events? Have there ever been human mutilations similar to the cow mutilations before?

Whitley Strieber (WS): There may have been. I came across some very disturbing cases between 1996 and 2003 that really upset me. One case involved quite a few people who were taken off the streets, mutilated by having their genitals, lips, eyes and tongues cut out, then taken 70 miles from the town where they were picked up and drowned in the ocean, deep enough to damage their lungs.
But was this a real case or not? They were street people, and they were taken from a town about a forty-five minute drive from the cabin in upstate New York where I had the close encounter experiences COMMUNION was based on.
I could prove nothing, so I decided: do your thing. Transform this terror into entertainment, and get free of it that way--as much as one can.

@: THE NYE INCIDENTS combines the UFO and serial killer genres. What type of research went into this story?

WS: I don't know exactly what genres are. I'm not much into marketing. To me, it's all about whether or not I want to tell a given story.
I actually did a lot of research. I tried to track cases down, but whenever I did, I ran into reluctant, unwilling and even hostile law enforcement personnel. Our researcher tried to pin down a case in Pennsylvania, for example, and was told to either leave town or go to jail.

@: Did you take any special considerations since this is a comic book that you are working with instead of a novel?

WS: My original treatment was transformed into the comic by Craig Spector. At the time, we were interested in making a movie. But then the comic possibility came along and I was real intrigued. So was Craig. He'd never written a graphic novel before, so it was a real adventure for him.

@: How closely did you work with the writer and artist of this comic?

WS: Craig and I worked hand in hand. I have never met the artist.

@: After doing a bit of research on you, I found it interesting that you are not quick to say that your experiences with the paranormal were actual UFO experiences straight out of the X-FILES. You seem convinced that something happened to you, but call these characters that abducted you "visitors" instead of aliens. Could you elaborate on this experience a little and what you believe happened?

WS: Basicially, I have had an entire life of a kind that supposedly does not and cannot exist. I have unknown intelligent beings in my life. It's as simple as that. After my close encounter in December of 1985, I proactively sought to engage their interest by going out into the woods at night.
This resulted in the richest, most astonishing and complex relationship I can imagine having, and it continued for 11 years until we lost our cabin due to financial difficulties brought on by the fact that I was made a laughingstock, and people quit buying my books.
We moved to Texas but, sadly, the visitors did not follow.

@: Why you? Out of all of the people in the world, why do you think you were the one chosen to have this abduction-like experience?

WS: One of my uncles was involved in the attempt to catalog the debris from the disk that crashed in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947. I think that his involvement led to the visitors' interest in our family, and to me.

@: No doubt, this experience was a life-changing experience since you've dedicated quite a few books on the subject and you continue to explore this theme in THE NYE INCIDENTS. Do you think something like this will ever happen again to you or is this probably a once in a lifetime happening?

WS: Oh, it is a lifetime happening, not once in a lifetime. It is a way of living. After we left the cabin, the visitors did not follow, but since December 7 of 2007, they have been coming around again a little bit. You get to the point where you just live with the truth that you do not and cannot know what they are. Just that they are real.

@: There seem to be thousands of reports of unidentified flying objects, alien abductions, and other strange experiences. Just as one would assume that some of them have validity to them, one also has to guess that some of these people are full of shit or want to believe in this phenomenon so much that they make themselves do so. What is it about UFO's that capture so many people's imagination and makes them want to believe?

WS: Not too many of the people who are really involved want it. I didn't want to get raped on the night I got stuck with the 'rectal probe' that has made me into such a joke. Then, in May of 1989, two people broke into our cabin and placed an object in the top part of my left ear. I was awake but immobilized when they did it. They were people, not aliens. Their work left no scar.
When I tried to have to object removed, the doctor was horrified to see that it was a white disk, and when he touched it with his scalpel, it moved on its own into the lobe of my ear, down from the top. He got a sliver of it, but closed the incision because he had never seen anything like this.
The pathologist who examined the sliver reported that it had cilia on it, which was probably why the thing could move. A few days later, it went back to the top of my ear, which is where it is now.
So, what I believe is that this thing is in my ear because I can reach my hand up and feel it right now. I don't know what to believe about who put it there or why, or even how, given the absence of a scar.
My beliefs extend as far as facts. The rest interests me as speculation--the whodunnit aspect.

@: There are skeptics and believers out there. No real in between. Believers believe whole-heartedly that we are not alone. While skeptics roll their eyes and claim that the believers are full of it. Why do you think people are so all-or-nothing with the topic of UFO's?

WS: There certainly is an in-between. The media lives in its own world of skepitcs and believers. The folks who actually have this happen are mostly like me--wondering what the hell is going on, here.

@: I know no one knows the reasons why UFO abductions and cow mutilations occur. But if you had to guess, what do you think the reason is for all of this udder…I mean, utter carnage and mischief? *(sorry, bad pun)*

WS: If it is real, then whoever is doing it must or they would not. God only knows why.

@: Why cows? I know steaks and burgers are damn tasty, but why not emus or elephants or monkeys or lawyers?

WS: One thing is that bovines have DNA that is surprisingly close to ours. Or perhaps we get abducted and mutilated because our DNA is close to theirs.

@: Now that you've dipped your toe into the comic book pool, do you think you might want to work more in this medium?

WS: I love this medium! I'm a fan, and my wife Anne, who is also a writer, has a dynamite idea for a graphic novel so, yes, I shall return...

@: Sounds great. Check out THE NYE INCIDENTS Thank you so much for taking the time to answer these questions, Mr. Strieber.


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ROUND TWO / BRACKET THREE

Sixty-four of comic bookdom’s best fighters enter, only one will be crowned THE SECRET TOURNAMENT OF INFINITE @$$-KICKERY Champion. It’s comics’ version of March Madness, only it lasts a bit longer. Ambush Bug here yet again, on behalf of the @$$Holes at AICN Comics, welcoming you all back to a contest unlike any other: boiling fanboyism down to its basics...whether one guy can kick the other guy's @$$.
We’re halfway through Round Two this week. We’ve the zeroes have been felled by the heroes. But before we move on to this week’s fights, let’s see the winners of last week’s bouts.


USAGENT VS BANE

Winning submission by Labontae

“What, I only get to fight illegal immigrants?” USAgent said as he jumped into the ring, only wearing his costume this time, the flamboyancy of his last bout still ringing in his ears from where his showmanship nearly cost him his win.
“I will break you!” Bane said, clapping his hands together and reaching for the control to his Venom-injector. “Oh, wait…”
“Yeah, that’s right, no magic juice,” USAgent said, walking toward the towering Bane. “Even put the kibosh on my strength.” He stopped, smiling up at the misshapen monster. “What else you got?”
Bane reached for his neck, much as he had previously with Crossbones, only to find his hands batted away and USAgent’s face flying towards his own. His nose was pulverized by the forehead of the USAgent, and as he fell back he noticed the calmness that USAgent had spoken to him with had been a lie.
The American was still a raving lunatic from his fight with the KGBeast!
USAgent’s foot lashed out and crushed Bane’s crotch not once but four times before Bane fell over and the foot moved to his kneecaps, snapping them both as his hands clutched his balls. Doubling his fists, USAgent slammed them into Bane’s neck, crushing his windpipe and Adam’s apple. As blood splashed on the inside of his mask, Bane felt himself picked up and hurled from the ring and onto the judges table.
“Go home, Taquito!” USAgent said as he held his hands above his head, the crowd on their feet cheering U.S.A. again. “I ain’t some playboy millionaire with a bad back. I’m Captain America, bitch!”
“Uh, no you’re not,” the ref said, a second before he found himself flying out of the ring as well.
“Never correct me!” USAgent screamed.

WINNER: USAGENT


WILDCAT VS RED SONJA

Winning submission by HI-FI

A massive broad sword drives deep into the ground. Red Sonja steps away from it tentatively and approaches her unarmed opponent; a man in black wearing the face of a jungle cat.
Poised in a classic pugilistic stance, Wildcat readies himself as the tall woman approaches him—her muscles tense, a scowl forming on her face.
“Do you think we could settle this over coffee?” Wildcat quips.
Sonja snarls and leaps towards her opponent. Her massive arms outstretched. Wildcat stands firm, reaches back and lets loose a right hook, connecting with Sonja’s jaw.
The she-devil falls to the ground and rubs the side of her face. “No man has ever felled me. And no man will.”
Wildcat cracks his knuckles. “Well, I ain’t never been beaten by no girl neither.”
Wildcat lands a few more jabs, then shoots a haymaker which connects. Sonja’s red hair flaps as she staggers, yet she doesn’t fall.
“Gnnnnrrrrrrraaahhhh!” She clasps both hands and swings them like a mallet, connecting just under Wildcat’s chin. The man in black goes flying backward.
Wildcat rises and meets Sonja toe to toe. Both opponents throw punch after punch. Both weakening the other, yet neither falling.
The two stagger. Eyes bruised. Teeth loose. Bleeding out of new holes in their faces. Both cock their arms back. Both fists connect instantaneously. Both stumble and fall to the ground.
Wildcat shakes his head. His head is heavy and the sounds around him reverberate in his ears as if they are filled with cotton. Instincts more than anything bring him up to one knee. He looks up to see Red Sonja already on her feet.
A large leather boot ends the match. Staggering and weakened, Sonja looks down at the fallen boxer, “You fight well…for a man.”

WINNER: RED SONJA


BLACK PANTHER VS CATWOMAN

Winning submission by Barry Hammer

“Good grief, these @@$holes sure have a thing about cat fights, don’t you think?” Catwoman says, looking across the ring at the Black Panther.
Black Panther, for his part, simply folds his arms across his chest. “I will not fight a woman,” he says defiantly.
“Works for me,” Catwoman grins as she rushes up to Black Panther and lands a solid kick to his chest.
“Woman, desist!” Black Panther cries, getting up.
“Sorry,” Catwoman says, “But I’m something of an equal opportunity gal.” Catwoman kicks at Black Panther’s knee, hoping to immobilize him.
This just makes Black Panther angrier. “I am telling you for the last time,” Black Panther says, “stop this, or I will be forced to hurt you very badly.”
“Give me your best shot,” Catwoman replies defiantly, throwing a punch at Black Panther’s face.
Finally getting into the fight, Black Panther grabs Catwoman’s wrist, and in one sweeping motion lifts her off her feet and throws her to the ground. Black Panther picks her up and starts pummeling Catwoman, until her costume is barely holding in her bleeding body. Black Panther is about to land the final blow, when he stops. “I cannot,” he says, and lowers his fist. “You are of the weaker sex. I am ashamed at the damage I caused you.”
Catwoman opens her swelled up eyes, looks at Black Panther turn his back to her and feels the rage build as he walks away. “You…” Catwoman leaps and throttles Black Panther’s neck. “I’ll show you who’s the weaker sex!”
Black Panther stands in the middle of the ring, with the choice of finishing off his opponent or letting her kill him right there. “Forgive me,” he whispers, as he reaches around and snaps Catwoman’s neck, dropping her to the floor. “Forgive me…”

WINNER: BLACK PANTHER


LADY SHIVA VS KARATE KID

Winning submission by Steve “Buckle Down” Crow

Karate Kid faced Shiva in the arena, insisting, "I know every martial art in the galaxy of the 30th century. Jim Shooter said so." He shifted into the 39th kata of the planet Bismoll, designed against biting opponents.
"How splendid," replied Lady Shiva, moving forward in a weaving snake-style kung fu maneuver. "But that gives you three weaknesses." She launched an almost-casual kick that Karate Kid just as casually parried.
"And what would those be?" Val Armorr asked, using a specially designed two-armed Venusian Aikido strike. Shiva ducked beneath it then tried for a leg sweep. Karate Kid leaped upward with a jump from the Zero-G Masters of Cygnus IV.
"One: you have a stupid 1960s style DC Silver Age name. "Kid" this and "Lad" that and "Boy" and so on."
"Embarrassing, but hardly fatal," Karate Kid conceded, launching a tiger-claw strike developed by Taghurrhu of the planet Kama.
"Second, you have learned the martial arts of every 30th century civilization, but are ignorant of the "antique" skills of the 21st." Shiva used a karate block against the claw attack, twisted his striking into a hold, and wrapped her other arm around his neck.
"True, but I still know more styles than you." Val countered, preparing to dislocate his arms with a technique learned from the Elastic People of Olsonius Prime.
"And third: with your girlfriend Projectra retconned so the two of you were never lovers, that leaves you celibate after decades dedicated to nothing but mastering the martial arts. While I have "mastered the softer arts as well." With that, Shiva gently blew in his ear, then nibbled on his lobe.
"That's... not... a fighting style," Karate Kid muttered as Shiva tightened her hold and rendered him unconscious.
"Why, that's the oldest fighting style of all."

WINNER: LADY SHIVA


Congratulations to all the winning participants. Winners will move on to Round Three. Be sure to check out this week’s bouts. But first, the rules:

@ To even the playing field, contestants are powerless and weaponless upon entering the ring. They must win on fighting prowess and character alone! @ Check out the fights listed below and send a 300 word (or less) fight scene to us determining who the winner is and how the fight should play out. (Remember: it’s best to SHOW, don’t TELL, in these submissions. That means write the scene as if it is happening, don’t tell us what will happen…it makes for more interesting readin’, don’t cha know!). @ Be sure to indicate the winner of each match in the subject line of your email. @ Submissions are judged by a select group of @$$Holes (hint: we’re looking for the most entertaining one to win, not necessarily the one that has been done and over done in comics before. ORIGINALITY RULEZ!). @ Winners of each match will be announced in the column a week later (that means if the fights were introduced in Monday’s SHOOT THE MESSENGER Column, the winner will be announced the following Monday, same for Wednesday’s reviews column). @ Submissions can be sent in to @$$Hole HQ via the link below until midnight Friday. @ THIS CONTEST IS NOT FOR PROFIT but done out of love for Fan Fic, comic book store trash talk, and online comic book debate. @ Have fun and enter as many times as you’d like! There can be only one winner, it’s up to you who that turns out to be!

Here are this week’s combatants! Be sure to follow the links to find out how our fighters have gotten this far!


Bracket Three Fight One KINGPIN VS DEATHSTOKE

Last time, the Kingpin bought his way through to the second round against the Goon. This time, he faces Deathstroke, who manipulated his way to victory against the Punisher in the last round.
Will the Kingpin of Crime be able to buy his way out of this match or will he break a sweat this time around?


Bracket Three Fight Two CONNOR HAWKE VS ECHO

Connor Hawke used Ronin as a human arrow in his first match. The martial arts master faces another kung fu artist in Round Two. Echo wasn’t able to understand The Question in the first round and the faceless detective paid dearly for that.
Will the deaf assassin be able to take on one of DC’s best kung fu masters?


Bracket Three Fight Three JONAH HEX VS HOWARD THE DUCK

Jonah Hex put the boot down on Luke Cage in the last match. The surly cowboy will now face his oddest opponent yet in Howard the Duck. The cranky fowl took down Groo the Wanderer due to a misunderstanding that only happens in comic books.
Only you will decide if it’s Duck Season or Cowboy Season?


Bracket Three Fight Four SNAKE-EYES VS BLACK WIDOW

Without his radar sense, Daredevil proved to be no match for G.I.Joe’s go-to guy, Snake-Eyes. The silent commando now faces the ultimate secret agent, The Black Widow, who taught The Huntress a thing or two about fighting in the last round.
Both black clad warriors are deadly in unarmed combat— only one can move to the next round.


Send in your 300 word (or less) fight scenes to the link below. Deadline is Friday. Those of you complaining in the talkbacks, I challenge you to take a shot at it if you don’t like what you see. All of this is up to you. Look for the winners of these match-ups in next Monday’s AICN COMICS NEWS SHOOT THE MESSENGER Column, and look for the last batch of Round Two’s match-ups in this week’s AICN COMICS REVIEWS Column on Wednesday.
Send your fight submissions here!

Good luck, have fun, and go kick some @$$!

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  • May 5, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Best comics/movie news of all : Avengers greenlit.

    by critch

    Marvel Entertainment released their first quarter report to its shareholders this morning to coincide with the announcement about the success this past weekend of Marvel Studios' first production Iron Man, which grossed an estimated $100.7 million domestically and over $200 million worldwide. The announcement included an update of Marvel Studios' feature film slate with the already-rumored Iron Man 2 announced for a release on April 30, 2010, followed by three more movies for the summers of '10 and '11. Matthew Vaughn's Thor is set for a release on June 4, 2010, and The First Avenger: Captain America (the working title) will kick off the summer of 2011 on May 6, followed by the highly-anticipated and foreshadowed The Avengers scheduled for July 2011. (Edgar Wright's Ant-Man is also listed as being in development with no release date set.) With that in mind, one can start expecting a lot more announcements in the coming months about creative teams and casting for those movies including who might direct the Captain America and Avengers movies. (Whomever plays Steve Rogers AKA Captain America presumably will be making two movies at once.) There will be a webcast for investors at 9AM Eastern at www.Marvel.com/webcasts where the same information should be relayed.

  • May 5, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    second

    by ingloriousjedi

  • May 5, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Aaron Eckhart for Captain America

    by Laserhead

    and the tournament still sucks. God Bless.

  • May 5, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    lady shiva vs karate kid.

    by doodah

    i call bull. its a known fact, girls can beat boys in anything.

  • May 5, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    King pin vs the goon

    by kingben

    the goon should kick his @ss for buying out!

  • cos people around the world love America. Cap is awesome but people will go on perception, worldwise the only way you're going to get people to watch a Captain America movie is if you introduce him in Avengers and show what a cool character he is. Only then will worldwide audiences go see Captain America. Fucking hell, just film at least the first half of Ultimates, it's there for you. And god don't hire Zak Penn.

  • May 5, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Actually, Cap represents the America everybody loves

    by Laserhead

    the liberators from WWII, the GIs who epitomized this cool new culture and stomped the axis powers. Anyway, I don't think anybody on these boards is qualified to ascertain who will go see what.

  • May 5, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Laserhead

    by messi

    but people don't know that. I know what Cap is, it doesn't matter if they make the awesome Cap from brubaker's run, people will see the title and the brits, the australians, the french. they aren't going to go to a theatre and say 'yeah i want to see captain america' because they hate 'yanks'. and american patriotism. i'm not sayin it wouldn't make any money, just that a smarter movie would be to introduce him in Avengers and then show what a cool non jingoitsic character he is.

  • May 5, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    captain

    by doodah

    it would be better if they leave it in that wwii time period. more people see that version as opposed to updating it to an iraq-war captain. that would totaly bomb.

  • May 5, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    I think we need a great Captain AMerica movie

    by blindambition238

    Can you imagine what a truly great Cap story could do for people in and out the US? But yea, its a tall order, and will probably be Marvel Studio's biggest challenge.

  • May 5, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Mr. Strieber

    by Shigeru

    I read Communion when I was 10 and saw the movie soon afterwards and um they both FREAKED THE EVERLOVING SHIT OUT OF ME.

  • May 5, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Whitley Strieber = Ultimate Con Man

    by fiester

    Single handed revived a dying writing career of limp horror fiction with claims of alien abduction. Can't say the guy doesn't know how to seize an opportunity and milk it for all it's worth.

  • May 5, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    well he has conjured up fucked up images

    by messi

    even if he lied he still would of come up with it, fucked up images, shit that used to scare me as a kid. alien in a corner etc.

  • May 5, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    How do you KNOW he's lying? You DON'T...

    by Psynapse

    But hey, way to show how narrow minded you are.

  • May 5, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    To Psynapse

    by human2

    How do I know he's lying? He makes impossible claims, that's how I know he's lying. No evidence whatsoever, coupled with economic advantages for the one perpetuating the lie. Same reason I dismiss the claims of theists, astrologers, and other mumbo jumbo.

  • May 6, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Ah.

    by Shigeru

    Well that's a shame. Have fun with your life.

  • May 6, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Nice to see the Flat Earth Society is still kickin'....

    by Psynapse

    'Cuz, Y'know, assumptive declarations based on incomplete information is SO the rage these days.

  • May 6, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Hey Shenjanno

    by Shigeru

    go screw.

  • May 6, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    It's cool Shig...

    by Psynapse

    It's a sign of success when you get your own "Internet Troll Stalker". Just wish mine wasn't so pathetic and predictable. 'Cuz hey, continuing to attack someone over a mistake they admitted makes you so fucking cool don't you know?

  • May 6, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    And yet, you refuse to simply leave me be

    by Psynapse

    Or am I hallucinating all the posts with my nick in them? *looks again* Nope, didn't think so. It's okay though.....wait, this is WAY too many keystrokes devoted to someone clearly not even worth the time it takes to type them. Screw this noise, I'm out....

  • May 6, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    ^^^ Evidence that Psy's right.

    by Shigeru

    GO SCREW. YOURSELF. YOUR MOM. WHO CARES. Just go away.

  • Christ. A completely open mind is a completely empty mind.

  • May 6, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Are you narrow-minded if...

    by Laserhead

    ...you don't believe that Jerry Falwell actually communicated with God Almighty? Are you narrow-minded if you refuse to believe that Jesus talks to George W. Bush? You see where this is going. Stories of alien abductions that make their author a boatload of money? Could be true. Right-wing evangelist hears the voice of God? No way. The answer is that none of the above is true, because it's all a complete crock designed to lend credibility to the statements of the liars. That said, if Striber's books are actually good entertainment, good for him. But it's not exactly narrow-minded to think their claims at being true are a load of bullshit.

  • May 6, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Call it bullshit if you want...

    by Shigeru

    that's fine. But Shenjanno didn't call it bullshit, he called Strieber a LIAR. Which is a lot different. And as Strieber said, from Communion on, he has been MOCKED and RIDICULED for his statements about what he himself admits are unexplained phenomena. <br><br> And yeah sorry but if one OUTRIGHT and completely dismisses all religion/phenomena/things that aren't easily/scientifically explained then they are close minded. And insulting oh about 85% of the Earth's population. (who wants to call all of them liars?)

  • May 6, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    My apologies

    by Shigeru

    for inflaming situation, btw.

  • May 6, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    and yeah Shenjanno didn't say that

    by Shigeru

    I'm confused a bit! *boom tubes out*

  • May 6, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Insulting 85% of the Earth's population

    by Laserhead

    --isn't wrong, if by 'insult' you mean, 'say you believe they are willingly devoted to a lie because it is in some way beneficial to them to be devoted to that lie.' If you don't believe in even one of the major world religions, you are de facto saying you believe a substantial percentage of humanity is devoted to a lie. At what point does it become an insult? When the percentage gets high enough? "People will tell you it's awful/ to see facts eat our dreams, our presumptions,/ but they're wrong. It is an honor/ to learn to replace one hope with another."

  • May 6, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    btw

    by Laserhead

    I don't feel the situation's inflamed. It's just that among the vocal proclamations of ideas and opinions, I feel like adding mine. It's all cool till the name-calling starts.

  • May 6, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Lasermind....

    by Psynapse

    It was once thought that it was 'impossible' for humans to fly or communicate over a distance indirectly and yet here we are. Much of our every day lives was once thought impossible. What is often thought of as 'impossible' is in fact merely an improbability of the time. A person not believing Strieber's claims doesn't make him a liar and nothing he states IS actually 'impossible'. The world we live in is far, far stranger than the average person believes (For example: Time behaves MUCH differently in certain circumstances than the average person's perception of it and much how it behaves would seem 'impossible' to these same people). Speaking for myself, NOTHING is impossible merely on a sliding scale of improbability. Declaring a person's stated experience as 'impossible' simply because you don't believe it is the epitome of narrow-mindedness.

  • May 6, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Crap...I meant laserhead....

    by Psynapse

    That's what happens when you post while on the phone with a customer. Stay in school kids!

  • May 6, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Declaring something impossible

    by Laserhead

    because it contradicts known facts is. Humans still can't fly or communicate over distances. We have devices that do that for us, which we use to fly and communicate over distance. I am not claiming that anything is impossible because I don't believe it; I'm claiming I don't believe something because it's impossible. Adherence to reality is not narrow-minded. Quite the opposite. I also don't believe in unicorns or leprechauns.

  • May 6, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Psynapse, just to follow your philosophy to its logical end--

    by Laserhead

    you do think it's possible that God spoke to Jerry Falwell, and you do think it's possible that we're all infected with thetans created when galactic Lord Xenu destroyed the universe-- since nothing is impossible, and you must be open to anything. To be open to anything being possible requires a severe lack of value judgments, so severe as to be the definition of an empty mind.

  • May 6, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Speaking of known facts...

    by rock-me Amodeo

    If myriad people believed in existence of unicorns and leprechauns, and through belief in that power, were able to change their lives, or beat an addiction, or get healed...then that would be something remarkable. It doesn't happen, so there's no use in thinking there's anything to those beliefs.<br><br>But if myriad people believed in the existence of God, or Jesus, or galactic Lord Xenu...and through that belief, were able to change their lives, or beat an addition, or get healed...then that would lend itself to acknowledging the existence of something that, while unknown, clearly is not impossible: the existence of more things in heaven and earth, Laserhead, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

  • May 7, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Thank You Rock-Me....

    by Psynapse

    My point exactly (and hey, unlike my detractor I didn't have to resort to insulting him to make said point, see the difference kids?).

  • May 7, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    LOL @ irony

    by Shigeru

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  • May 7, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Why are aliens "impossible"??

    by Shigeru

    I thought the odds of intelligent life outside our own are very probable???<br><br>Also, "willingly devoted to a lie because it is in some way beneficial to them to be devoted to that lie.' "<br> Uhm you do know that Christians (and lots of other beliefs) were and are killed for their faith.

  • May 7, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    The difference between 'Knowing' and 'Believing'....

    by Psynapse

    I know I have two things called hands attached to the ends of these things called arms. Now are those hands an atomic construct of matter based on smaller constructs of atoms and particles or are they merely complex holograms whose interpretation is nothing more than a subspace electrical signal? We know that reality exists because we ARE here but definitions of WHAT this reality actually is is very much still up for debate if you've done any comprehensive reading in particle physics of the last 40 years. The only thing I KNOW is that I do exist. Everything else, is a mere belief supported by whatever evidence I have at hand on the subject.