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Great... a PG-13 TERMINATOR movie. That's what we need...
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I'm a little pissed off at this. So, we've wanted a future war movie for a long time. That movie in the TERMINATOR franchise is akin to us seeing the Alien homeworld in an ALIEN film. It's something we didn't think we'd ever see.
Word came out today that TERMINATOR: SALVATION is shooting for a PG-13 rating, producers citing DIE HARD 4. Sorry, I know DIE HARD 4 has its defenders. I think it's mediocre as an action movie, but it's fucking awful as a Die Hard movie. John McClane wasn't John McClane. He was a cartoon character.
This doesn't bode well for TERMINATOR. Why go PG-13 now? The series has grossed over a billion dollars as R-rated films. When Die Hard was PG-13ed it ceased feeling like a Die Hard movie. You can defend the film and that's fine, but I've not spoken to one person yet who has said it was a better film for being PG-13. They might have accepted it and moved on, enjoyed it for what it is, but no one can explain to me how it benefited the series being PG-13.
I feel the same way about TERMINATOR. Finally we see a future war movie where people are going to die off-screen, Terminators are going to look creepy and fire lasers that don't hit anything...
Variety cites the ability for merchandising with a PG-13 movie... Listen... aside from merchandising being a shitty way to think about what's best for this film, I was 10 when Terminator 2 came out. I saw it twice theatrically. There were toys and trading cards. I bought those, too. I dragged my parents and my friends to see it. I bought it on video when it came out (for the bargain basement price of $40, unheard of at the time for new release videos). They merchandised the fuck out of T2, so I don't buy that excuse.
I like the cast for the new movie and I don't hate McG behind the camera, but I really, really hate this decision. Bad call. Bad call. Bad call. Bad call. You know they're going to shoot a couple of scenes to put out an R-rated DVD that'll be as lame as the R-rated cut of DIE HARD 4 on DVD was.
I hope they come to their senses and not make a wussified sci-fi battle flick, one we've been waiting for for 24 years.
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dumb decision.
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I think this is a crock. When a series is slightly on it's way down and out, WHY would you blow a chance at making a new movie everything that you could by bowing down to a more family rating?!? Stupid, STUPID decision.
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Bale remains the one and only positive aspect of this film. No R rating is just another nail in a coffin that's already half-buried.
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Please don't do this. It seemed so promising with Bale....now......UGH!!
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...sucks donkey balls!
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You have got to be kidding me.....
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Just went flying out the fucking window.
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Once Terminator became a theme park ride, the thrill was gone. And once it became a mundane TV show, I officially tuned out. They may as well cash in anyway they can. Remember: The future is what we make of it - lol.
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Seriously, i know it's sad but it's fact we're going to have to learn to accept- the days of R rated action movies are long dead. The 80's (and i guess, early 90's)are long gone. The real sad part is what we get left with... Ratner, Bay and 2 hour toy commercials. That's right, i'm bitter.
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everything else we're hearing about it -3. I'm still hoping my math proves wrong and this could be a cool movie.
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May 04, 2008 11:26:07 PM CDT
DH4 was only good because he WAS McClane
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
So the jumping on off a harrier was ridiculous, oh well.
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Seriously...get out of this as fast as you can. This is going to be the film that people will hate you for making.
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i agree with the booo'ers
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May 04, 2008 11:28:37 PM CDT
"No one can explain to me how it benefited the movie being PG-13
by ribbons
Well, I don't think what benefits the movie from an artistic standpoint really went into this decision. Still, although I always love to see the producers shoot for a hard R, I suspect the movie wouldn't look that much different either way.
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Just watched the trailer and they gave it away...thanks asshats.
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Sounds like T3...only shittier. CB needs to act his ass off to save this train wreck.
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Movie has just gone to hell, RIP.
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and you thought T3 was bad... wait till this pile of feces shows up Summer next year.. Studio Executives not to worry.. if Transformers can kill at the box office Im sure all the pre-pubescent 13 year olds will lap this shit up -
You don't hate THAT decision more than a PG-13 rating? McG makes Tony Scott look like Stanley Kubrick! Talk about one of the worst directors in history! He's yet to make anything more than a 90 minute music video. Oh well, who really cares anyhow?
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May 04, 2008 11:36:00 PM CDT
This is what you get when you get a pg-13 director who makes pop
by furyofthefilmfan
Would Scorsese put up with being told to make a pg-13 film for a gangster epic?
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May 04, 2008 11:36:56 PM CDT
Fox screwed this movie when they created the TV series
by redwingshoolihan
Now they're making a movie with no connection to the series or the original films. And to top it off it'll be testicle free.
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As cheesy as his acting is, I can't see a terminator without Arnold, who confirmed that he won't be returning for the fourth installment. As good as his acting is, I can't see Brolin as a terminator, who is evidently going to take on the role; and what happened to Claire Dane, I've heard she won't be making an appearance either... isn't she Connor's wife in the future? I'm pretty disappointed with the direction this is headed.
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What else can you say? Who agrees with this being PG-13?
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I disagree with you 85%. The last Die Hard movie was great. It was even better with the unrated DVD version. However, I do agree that a PG-13 Terminator movie is WRONG, and just plain stupid to think about. The future wars need to be extreamly violent and should depict that. It's the extermination of the human race for Christ's sake! We need to see the flesh getting shot and burned of the 101's as they fight. Come on Hollywood, don't blow this one.
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Who gives a damn what it's rated? This series ended with 2. Period. 3 was a cash-in, the television show is a cash-in, this one will be a cash-in. This could have all ended with 3 if so many of you sad little bastards hadn't insisted that despite how unutterably lame it was, despite how pointless and silly it was, that it was somehow worth spending your hard-earned money on, and "wasn't that bad". You encouraged them; now deal with it.
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This is not a good look... at all.
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but fuck this.
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Yeah, seriously, FUCK THEM. Way to squander the Terminator brand on some dulled-down kiddie shit.
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The meter just broke. Someone page Vern and get him to write an open letter and summon that McSpaced bastard.
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NOT!
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I'll buy a bootleg copy. Or watch it on the internet. They're not getting my money.
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It would be one mothER fuckin blood bath of a future war movie. Can we still replace McG!!!
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May 04, 2008 11:49:28 PM CDT
They should go for a G rating, they can sell more toys that way
by mace tofu
Plus think of the cartoon spin-offs. T-4 pampers sales = Big $$$'s for the studio. They could film the whole future war on the old X3 set used for that training sequence and use spotlights to play the hunter seekers as a way to save money.
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I just wont go see these PG-13 knock offs.
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The first time I saw a Terminator movie was when my grandparents took me to see Terminator 2. I was 9 at the time. Yes, 9. N-i-n-e. I've been dying for a future Terminator movie since that very day. Terminator 3 was complete shit, as is that pathetic excuse for a television show, The Sarah Conner Chronicles. This I held out hope for, though. The stars were aligned (get it?) and everything was sounding awesome... until right now. Fuck this. I'm sick of having shit-aweful Terminator shoved down my throat... especially after the two most recent travesties I mentioned a moment ago. I'm out. This is off my watch list, I officially no longer fucking care. I am done with Terminator. This is just too much. I can't and won't tolerate being treated like the pathetically self-conscious little kid of the overprotective nazi hyperchristian parents. It's fucking insufferable.
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I had a some hope for this film after Bale's name was attached, but it's officially off my radar now.
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It was a really soft R. I think it could have been a PG13. What was so R about it?
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I care if a film is good or bad according to me, not what the rating is according to a secret society of douce bags. Without knowing the final story of this film, I don't know that it matters if this is R or PG-13. I rarely know the ratings of most films I see, and after I see them, I usually couldn't tell you what they would be rated either.
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...is that authenticity and good storytelling will make a movie a bigger hit. Not a watered down rating . Making this movie live up to it's 1st 2 predecessors in tone and quality is what will give them the atm machine they want. Cutting the balls off a violent property (hello, it's called The Terminator) is the kind of back handed corporate suck ass slap that doesn't play anymore. Film goers are staying away until the film to rally around shows up in theaters. Iron Man is one. Dark Knight will be the other. What's the difference between those movies and most bombs? They go for the jugular and they are not restricted by marketing reports. Learn your fucking lesson Hollywood and let the talent tell the story they want to tell regardless of the rating and watch the money roll in and the asses show up back in the theater. As long as you keep taking properties like Alien, Die Hard, etc. and making them kiddie friendly you will never reap the true monster hit you all are searching from. Yeah, they make money and you get to keep your jobs, but by being bold, you can make blockbusters.
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as far as I'm concerned. Terminator 2 was intended to be the final story, and it should've stayed that way. Terminator 3 was terrible, and the TV series sucks almost as much as Jericho. They should've left it alone.
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I might be in the minority, but some what ifs are better left in our heads. But remember. Deserve's got nothin' to do with it. That;s why this pile of crap is on the table. This movie will be a ver expensive, decidely mediocre, slushy of a mess.
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It's not as 'hard' as even T1. I watched both the other night, and I think T2 would get a PG13 these days. That's just my subjective P.O.V., obviously.
And you saw it at the movies when you were 10? Slightly takes the wind out of your argument. You can't say it must be hard R and simultaneously say it was fine for a 10 year old.
BTW if anyone is paying attention to this I'm not necessarily advocating PG13 this time around. R seems like a given to me for a full-on war movie in a sci-fi setting to have any weight. I'm just playing Devil's advocate because Quint's argument isn't necessarily that clean and presenting a different view.
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I'll give it a chance. Besides, you know they can't get teenagers to see it if they aren't allowed in the theater.
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Terminator 2 was my favorite movie in Kindergarten. I made my mom rent it for me like 100 times. I think I watched it every weekend for like a year. It was the first live-action movie I liked. Until then I just liked cartoons.
So please, please, please, don't let this be a stupid fucking cartoon version of a movie I could handle when I was 6.
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Cuz it was solid enough in the end. McG has done nothing to earn any trust from me or anyone above 15. PG films, hmm lets make sure we can sell the toys cuz we sure as shit can't rely on a billion in pre-sales. And do you hear anyone still talking about DH4? No. Just in reference to why it was PG.
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You all were 10 when T2 came out? So
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They're product. I wish we still got to see action movies instead of these fucking test market extravaganzas. People who would advance the idea of a PG-13 Terminator movie are the same class of scumbag who invented spyware and the 9/10's fraction of a cent added to every gallon of gas. When scientists have finally determined which gene in the human DNA code it is that makes someone name themselves Mc(x) (where x= some random letter) and make a PG-13 movie about an impending cyborg holocaust and murder spree, we should, like, send someone back through time to nip that fucker in the bud.
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"overprotective nazi hyperchristian parents"...that's slightly oxymoronic wouldn't you say? To be pointedly critical, I doubt either side of that personality disorder would be focused on making sure killer robots from the future got a PG-13 rating. It's just plain old marketing. But hey, you're only 25. So, the whole, "I'm done" speech will probably happen a few more times in your young life before you realize you're fooling yourself. Your anger might stem from the fact that your grandparents took you to the movie. If you had just snuck in like the rest of us, under a pseudo-fear of punishment from the parents that wanted more out of us than a desire to see murder and nudity on school day, maybe you wouldn't still be sucking on that ranty pacifier in your mid-twenties. This too, shall pass. So, buck up little camper! Think of me when you're in the theater, doubly mad recalling the ten dollars you wasted to see this steaming heap while simultaneously recalling that you didn't keep your umpteenth, "I'm done" promise to yourself. Enjoy the show!
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This just got waaaaay too lame to even hold out hope for. The only good thing about it is Christian Bale
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on T1 you've got the conception of John on screen (Sarah get it on with Reese), also a fake eye operation, blood and swearing.
T2 swearing, skin pealing of Arnold's arm rvealing endoskeleton, Sarah's flesh desintegraiting and becoming a skeleton with agonizing screams.
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Amen, brother. Amen.
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What are these people thinking! Oh yeah, toys and bed sheets and shit like that. WTF, this isn't Star Wars!
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how does it being a pg-13 movie mean we wont see no one get killed....happens all the time with pg-13 movies....maybe it wont be gorey but there will be on screen death...
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Why not just release straight to DVD. Fucking retards.
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Its only gonna get worse from here. Expect to see Drew Barrymore fighting T-800's in bullet time while Destiny's Child blares over the soundtrack. Christian Bale will probably take out one of the cyborgs with a baseball bat and someone will make a witty commet about him being "The Batman"....and you know that kickass Terminator TV show that most fans seem to love because it treats the property with some respect? It'll be cancelled after the next season so as not to cause "Brand Confusion". Maybe this will finally lead to a Terminator/Aliens/Predator movie where they all sing and dance and kill humans in a merry PG-13 way. Somebody get those horrible Strauss brothers on the phone and see if they want in.....
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My point is that kids can and will see R-rated films, especially one in a popular franchise. It's not that I want T4 to have hardcore sex or Tom Savini like head explosions (okay, I want the last one), but I want it to fit in the universe set up by the previous films (and yes, I exclude T3... that's a joke). If it was just another lame sequel, whatever. But it's the movie that gives us the first full on future war. If there was any story in this universe that deserves not to be kiddie friendly it's the future war movie.And me seeing it at 10 doesn't deflate my argument. I was watching R-rated movies at age 7 (earlier without parental consent). My argument is that kids that are into these movies will see them. Probably like me, with family. Or the cool parents or older brothers of their friends.Could there be a successful PG-13 Terminator movie? Sure, but is it more or less likely that it'll fit in the world we know? That's my point.
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Its pussification.
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At least they aren't going for a PG or a G, i think they shouldn't even tell us what they're shooting for ratings-wise. This project has enough against it
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I liked die hard 4, but... It can't hang with the rest of the earlier incarnations. And now this T4 is PG13... Chock that one up as a loss. that is outrageous. You can't sell out for tickets man. And they are doing this before they've even finished? You heard it here first, R.I.P. Terminator
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... with McG and PG13 being hurled at this film and maybe with other bad news we already had or is yet to come on this, revealing it to possibly be a turd - do we think that Bale might have made a mistake being in this film and it might be bad for him? Bueller anyone? There's a ride on my captain's log for anyone who answers.
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Back to Arbys for one of their delicious lunchtime Terminator meal deals. Get a Beef'n'Chedder,some curly fries,and a plastic Terminator cup with real light up eyes!! Hasta la vista burger joints! Come with Arbys if you want to live!!!!
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...put out a Special Edition (read: Double Dipper) BluRay with cg bood added in like they did with Die Hard 4. But it will still suck.What are they going to have? Terminator's with black oil for blood? I'm getting visions of Attack of the Clones, where the clone wars ended up being a couple of wind-up toy armies going at it.
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Double Darnit!!
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May 05, 2008 12:26:24 AM CDT
I don't give a rat's ass if it's G, PG, PG-13, R, or X
by rocco curioso
Once McG became attached to the project... "Game over, man!" You can't kill a corpse; it's already dead.
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I don't care if the MPAA gave it an R, it was PG13. Wow she the Terminatrix punched through a guys head so they give it an R. That's the only reason. Get use to it, movie studios dont care if they are loyal to the fans. They know if they release a PG 13 movie they can not only make more money in theaters, but can release the Unrated DVD which should have been the theater version. Take Die Hard 4, christ the unrated DVD had a little too many "fucks" for my taste.
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Seriously, FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING STUDIO EXECS!!! A PG-13 Terminator movie? What the fuck are they thinking?!?
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just so we all know the ropes here.
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Mainstream cinema might as well be network television now.
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It's easy to forget how nasty that film was, the scene with the impaled foster father was particularly memorable. It burned right onto my childhood brain. They really don't make action movies like that anymore.
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Thank you for posting about this! Didn't Stallone's latest "Rambo" movie prove anything to these people?
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John McClane ceased to be a charismatic and flawed anti-hero who was thrown into problems and became in Die Hard 4 a generic action hero who resembled John McClane in appearance only. John McClane didn't ask for the shit that was thrown at him, but in DH4 he seemed to rush headlong into it. And a PG13 Terminator movie is like sex without dicks and vaginas and boobs; it just aint the same thing. T3 was shit and anyone who liked that, I simply laugh at them.
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OK, here's a question debate for you guys, and maybe we all need to do our homework and get some research from the BO/studio reports what not. - Do you think that making a franchise, as well as a film a PG13 rating down from a 'R' makes more money for the studio? As it is only money that makes the studio make any action? If we find that it DOESN'T make more money for a studio, hyapthetically or for real, then there may be a case for stopping this 'sell out' trend - as far as the studio is concerned that is, not our own 'good taste' as we like to call it. So let's think - PG13 brings in a larger age demographic in allowing more of the younger audience seeing it (all of them that is, not just 'some' who saw it in their own dodgy uique ways) and it therefore allows greater merchandise - BUT does it weaken and water down the movies so much that it can crush the franchise or lower the BO takings as time progresses? Does it also EXCLUDE a lot of the otherwise older audiences who might be put off by the softer approach and make this demographic shrink for a single film as well the sequels as the franchise tries to continue. All the Box Office pluses and minuses taken into account for being a lower rating, DOES it actually make a movie/franchise make more money?
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I much prefer it here in the (at times) underrated talkbacks to the so called 'real movie debate' Zone you know! At least here, people are talking about this subject in this thread. :)
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Would it kill you guys to put an 'edit' feature into these typing boxes!? If only Ellen were here.
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They're making it for the mainstream who couldn't care less about what they watch. It sucks I know, but what can you do? It's what we get for being smart with our money, I guess.
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Obviously they want to market this to kids and teenagers. Then when they do,people will complain about them marketing a PG13 film to kids just like they complained about Iron Man toys at Burger King.Aliens,Predator,Terminator,Die Hard...all these fims were hits and made millions as R-Rated franchises. So why does the studio think that watering them down and ruining what made them great will make more money? Because all their market research shows that PG13 is what sells...so by god they're going to make a PG13 movie come hell or high water. After all,Iron Man made a ton of money and its PG13 so Terminator should be PG13 too...cause thats the only reason Iron Man made money. Nevermind the fact that it had a great cast and a great director and a great script...those things dont REALLY matter.
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They've already neutered the Alien, Predator, and John McClane. Do you think that's honestly gonna change now? No amount of internet outcry will change the fact that Fox doesn't give a flying fuck about the fans. It's all about making the biggest opening weekend possible...and nothing else. That studio is notorious for having some of the stupidest execs in town. That's why they've destroyed each and every franchise they've ever built.
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www.boxofficemojo.com
Die Hard 4 made a bit more money than the other three before it - domestically - and slightly less internationally than DHwaV. So it is simple to calculate and they will probably want to lure the audiences away from Night at the Museum 2.
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May 05, 2008 12:45:16 AM CDT
The universe needs balance. They got Bale, now they get a PG13.
by mike_d
its karma.
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Or has he just been rumored the whole time?
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Me neither.And, factoring in inflated ticket prices, how much more money did Die Hard 4 make more than the previous ones?
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Aside from a few f-bombs and the odd gore shot (guy getting it in the eye in T2), I don't think the series was ever about real bloody kills. Sure, the Terminator shot up a cop shop in the first movie, but it wasn't that bloody. I think freaking out over a PG-13 Alien vs. Predator movie IS called for because those movies have alot of gore. Terminator? Not so much...
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Yeah I'm with you on the BO takings of DH4 against the other movies. But inflation or not inflation, how much difference did the new PG13 rating make to this increased BO taking? Do you think this movie would have made virtually the same amount of money even if it was a 15 rating (in the UK) or an 18? At least keep it 15 like 2 and 3 I believe were. Anyway, if the PG13 rating isn't an issue in what made this movie make so much money, we still have the argument to consider in regard to the DVD uncut version making more money or not, too. Someone get me a BO/Studio analasyst. Or someone get me Ellen Page to save us all.
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they didn't want to see their own slaughtered on screen. Skynet, aka, Skytech, across from the ale house.
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May 05, 2008 12:53:02 AM CDT
i cried my eyes out when i first saw T2 as a 9 year-old.
by microwavable?
it's a little annoying how many different John Connors there are now. but if this new movie is at least off the usual track of "terminator hunting John Connor" plotline, which has now been remade three times (if you count the lame TV show), i'm interested.
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terminator 3 was bad enough. Can they think of another way to drive this franchise into the ground? maybe they will "save the future" in this one and there wont be an army of killer robots.
PG13? great all we need is MORE teenagers in the theater ruining movies (Im tying in to an earlier thread here peope..).
Please make R movies for adults, PG 13 for teens, andd let people watch their movies how they want to..with violence and silence, or..uh the PG-13 way...
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If I were this movie, I'd kill myself.
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And yes, Live Free Or Triple X 3 sucked! (although not just because its raing :P)
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They could just go flat PG and it would make oodles. If the name Terminator is on it, it'll rake in the cash. That's all the studio really wants out of this, anyway. It's show business, not show hobby.
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You made some great points there and I won't argue with them. But they do make me think of the new Terminator 'War' movies though. Think how effective it would be to see all that gore and graphic horror in these films. (People screaming as their being burnt alive, skulls being crushed by Terminator robotic hands, etc. But that's just the graphic factor alone.) For it's not just a sci-fi dark futuristic war movie. To be really 'powerful' you need to make it partially at least, a 'horror' film too. Not just in graphic visuals, but also to let the higher rating lend a greater feeling of darkness, dread, let's face it, all the things that make an 'Apocalypse'. Now picture all this in your mind, how an R Apocalyptic Hell on Earth Terminator movie will be like. Then think of how large the adult audience would be. Then think of how much this audience could be lost if it was watered down for a PG13 film. I know some older people who wouldn't give a fuck about it so much and wouldn't see it. Take away the 'real' horror of war, something that gives it relevance to the wars we're fighting in our real world TODAY, and the Terminator movies become so much more superficial that some of this 'mature' people would think 'nah, couldn't give a fuck about some silly sci-fi movie that's too much for the kids'. Come on, follow me here. Saving Private Ryan. HUGE Box Office movie. Think of the difference that film would have if it was PG13 - then think how it's BO takings would be? You guys think it would be higher - or lower? Does this help our discussion?
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This blows so many balls, ii think i should feed them to the otters
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Really, why does anyone care about this film? Without Cameron or Ahnold, it will be a Terminator film in name only. Would you bother to read a Heinlein novel written by someone else? Then why care about a movie made by a bunch or random people who have had no previous connection to the Terminator universe.
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An R Rating!!! Now that horror movie I WOULD pay handsomely to see, more than Ring of Bright Water even. Just picture it - 'THERE WILL BE WUD'!!!!! Gorefest of the highest order (I mean, just see what a Ferret can do in your pants, now picture an Otter!). BO of the highest order too. Otterly a success!!!
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Oh wait, that's been used already. Uhhh, SHIT NO!!!!!!!! BALE, GHET TO DA CHOPPA!!
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'This Mij is a Psycho.' Who said that? The fair haired prisoner. Cue the wrath of Mij the Otter going all apeshit in Flash's shorts and making a bloodbath the likes we have never SEEN!!!! - since I Spit on Your Grave anyway. An Otter can bite a man's finger off just like that. Think of how much bleeding there would be if it bit off his penis! Oh yes! There will be Wud wud wud!!! I'd queue up to see it repeatedly anyway.
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Wow, you're on your own with that one my friend.
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Die HARD 4 SUCKED like hell. I stayed away from the theatre even when Mcclaine himself came onto THESE boards and pleaded for us to go...and then I rented it...the R version no less...and I couldn't imagine how much suckier it could have been in the PG 13 version..I guess without the hard language, of which there hardly was any...How could they actually fathom the ludicressness of that whole cartoon chase sequence. And now they are set to do it to a movie with the name TERMINATOR???? Oh wait, they are gonna try to pull in the crowd that is watching the chronicles on TV...ughh..CMON have some damn spines and makes us a real damn movie. SUX...and I was one of those kids that had the cool brother that would take me to see all the damn R movies..that was just great. They're gonna really blow it here.
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Fuck this.
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OK, in Hard Candy and Juno right? Playing someone at PG13ish age? Therefore no perverted dirty old man above the age of 50 to see it. ELLEN'S MINE, DOGDAMNIT!!!!!! Hard Candy was PG13 too? Ellen Page cut someone's itchy BALLS!!! off in that movie - and no wud, I mean blood. Now check this out... a hard R Hard Candy! Picture this.... Ellen Page......!!!!!!! Oh kkkkkaaaahhh!!!! Oh Gaaaaardd!!!!! Oh Jheeeeeebuzzzzzhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! I just electrecuted myself crying into my computer just picturing her and am about to self terminate. The only thing that new Terminator movies need to save us all - IS ELLEEEEENNNN!!!!!!! For she IIISSSS!!!!!!!!!! - THE SECOND FREAKING COMING SAVIOUR FOR ALL OF US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Piss off Flash Gordon! Let me cry and die in peace.
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Add to that, most people around here have been saying they're not going to see this. SO WHAT DOES THIS CHANGE????
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May 05, 2008 1:25:14 AM CDT
Ellen looks better in black rubber than Flash Gordon or Batman e
by cpt kirks 2pay
Just saying is all. (Ahem, not better than me though. Yeeeaahh geek chicks reading this right now, call me for a touc..... piss ooowwfff!!! You're not good enough! Only my Saviour ELLEEEENNN(!!!) is.)
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When was the last R rated action movie? They used to be a dime a dozen, and certainly the best action movies are R rated. As liberal as our society is getting, you would think there would be more nudity and decaptitations. What's the deal?
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I mean I wouldn't call them "bloodbaths" or anything, but I definitely don't think they were lacking in the epic, wartime violence department. Screw these rating systems anyway, the only consistency they ever have is with swearing. The rest is all murky. And I might be alone in this, but I really couldn't care less how many or few times they say "fuck". In the end, if this is good, it's good. If it's bad, then it's pretty much what I'm expecting anyway.
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Yep, sadly, Terminator 4 is pretty much officially fucked.
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Yes we are all going to see this film by the looks of it. But the thing is, will we go to see this film AGAIN if the PG13 reduces the overall effect of the movie for us all? Or also, are we as likely to see the remaming sequels if this PG13 'dilution' to the film's 'power' happens? I mean, if the films do become so lame due to the lower rating, some of us might just give up on them. Again, it's all about the plusses and minuses in audience attendances with this lower 'compromised' rating.
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Why dont u lot Quint, Harry, etc do some fukn work for ur fans and call Stallone, Bale, whoever the fuck and make this an issue? Fuckin chicken shits, if u have any integrity and influencial ability now u should exercise it. BTW GTA4 is prob. why movies will die and videogames will become the new black, ie. the true and honest artistic representation of artists saying wtf they want to. Murdoch/Fox/Fox news will be dead soon.
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Oh how I've missed this.
As for Terminator being PG-13, I am not surprised by this at all. In fact, I had pretty much operated under this assumption ever since it was announced. Every time that a studio ops for an R-rating it is labeled as a "bold move" or whatever. Further proof that the artifice in the studio system is near dead. -
...you can actually get away with more on tv now than you can in a pg-13 movie, violence and blood wise at least. How fucking sad is that?
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Don't worry. I'm not yelling "censorship!!", I'm just saying that even as recently as 1992 (when T2 came out) studios were still willing and able to make fully realized action movies without bullshit 'family values' constraints. I don't blame anyone or anything in particular, but these days we seem to be living in a much more careful society. Sure we've got our HBO and our GTA, but whatever happened to tits in movies? Or shit, yeah, what about an exploding head or two in a fucking future war movie? godammit.
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They are mismanaging these films and losing a lot of money. How many fucking times do they have to tank a franchise before they put 2 and 2 together, and realize all their biggest money makers were chockful of violence and dark as hell. Even '89 Batman, though PG-13, was nowhere near what these cocksuckers would come up with in committee nowadays. Kids aren't stupid, but they are impressionable and imitate the older kids and these cookie cutter products you are churning out are failures. If you are worried about an uproar from christian parents who won't be letting their kids see that kind of garbage then you are making a huge mistake - thats part of the hype! Thats like saying no kids play Grand Theft Auto cause its rated M. Not only has every kid 9 and older with a slight interest in videogames already played it, the kids with bible thumpin parents did so while smoking weed and worshipping satan. And the few PG-13 apologists in this talkback have no balls or common sense.
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1. Give me an erection.
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... when she had an orgasm. Now, that shit - guys! - You gotta censor. You gotta censor, that shit. But no, you guys are right. You shouldn't censor so much these days. And as for what you can get away with on TV? I was watching Back to the Future the other day on Saturday afternoon on TV in the UKunt. Do you know that the bit where Jennifer writes 'i Love You' to Marty in the Square - THAT GOT CUT!!!! WTF!??!?! You can't even say I Love You to people anymore?!?!?! Fear or creating too much unethic behaviour on TV? Now that shit really made me bash my place down very, very violently. Fucking TV Diners!!!!
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I'm actually more concerned about some movies being watered down as far as language, rather than violence.
I mean, Aliens wasn't that gory, but a lot of people were saying "shit" and "fuck". I think that LOTR was occasionally comparably as violent as Aliens or The Terminator, but it would be sort of ridiculous if Frodo were to say "fuck this shit, I'm going home." I think that's why PG-13 works better for something like LOTR than for something like a Terminator movie. -
Would T-1000 have been as menacing if he hadn't impaled countless people?
Where Sarah Connor have been as nutty as squirrel shit if she hadn't stabbed that doctor with a pen while slobbering out 'fucks' every 2 seconds
Would the Terminator ripping the skin from his arm been as effective if he hadn't done it?
The problem with PG-13, is these movies never feel like there's any real intimate stakes. In fact, I feel pretty relieved when I watch a PG-13 movie, you relax a little more" good, the hero won't get in any SERIOUS trouble". Dieing isn't as scary as seeing HOW people die - the R rated down and dirty. Why am I even belaboring this point. PG-13 flicks are good for passing the time, being entertained, being psychologically suspended. R rated flicks are for the gruesome primitive nature that resides in all of us, and it's getting tapped less and less nowadays. -
Well a Ferret might give you an erection, but you can make an Otter slippery when wet - so the boundaries are limitless. And I'm not talking about the limitless boundaries that Ellen Page's lawyer will put on me to stay away from her if I carry on like this. Must... slow... doooowww oh sod it who cares. Anyway, in regards to what BottomBrick said, the same studio people that are putting these restrictions on these films are the same kids that were watching films when they were under age and young anyway. It's all hypocrisy, it's all the 60s revolutionaries becoming old miserable gits when they get older and ranting on the new generation. It's all hypocrisy of the elderly. (Whispers in her ear) - Don't ever be like this if YOU ever get older, Ellen. Stay young you here?! Stay - with meeee!!!! Weeeee!!!!
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hence the above nonsensical post. I'll be leaving now, and celebrating all things R rated with an 80s DePalma marathon tonight.
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Whats this going to mean for violent videogames? We are destined to be fukd by the commercial imperitives of mass media no matter what medium. A, can't believe Cameron suggested Worthington for this T4 shit. B, if he did it was purely for marketing Avatar. C, if Cameron (the hard cunt who makes people cry) goes PG on his shit ill know that the spine of every fukn hollywood prick does not exist anymore.
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It began when they announced the release dates before the movie began shooting, and now they announce the rating as well. What happened to the good old days of simply making a fucking movie however you wanted and then submitting it to the MPAA to see what its rating was? Maybe T3 could have gotten a PG-13, but they weren't thinking about it when making the film (which I think is fairly decent considering the lack of Cameron), which is the key difference. And Willis can claim all he wants that DH4's action doesn't feel like PG-13, but it's fucking bullshit. Watch the movie again - McClane only actually kills like 2-3 guys himself. Most of them die by his making other stuff hit them (fire extinquisher, fire hydrant, car, etc), which is a handy little work around.
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Feel free to eat my ex girlfriend. I never wanna see that disturbing XXX rated horrific sight ever again. You can eat out her as much as you want.
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man, I was hoping with CB on board (in spite of McG) that this would erase the turd of T3...sadly, this news makes it harder to have any enthusiasm to a once great film series...gawd...
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NO CAMERON = NO TERMINATOR
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Is that Sex and Violence does sell (in some form to every demographic), when other media outlets whip up an uproar about the proliferation of filth to sell their shtick on the back of the fearmongering to the elders you don't pull the plug on the tits and blood, you make stuff to sell to everyone and play them off each other, everyone goes home their version of happy. These hacks now are fucking up the formula that has been handed down the ages!
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1. It's directed by McG...and that's if the film is even completed. 2. Terminator 3 WAS the final Terminator movie.
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Why does it matter to care anymore? Kids today can see whatever fucked up shit they want on the intertubes (suicides, porn, porn-suicides) and yet they get gruff for trying to buy a ticket to go see Harold and Kumar part deux. But, change twenty minutes of the movies and suddenly it is a PG-13 comedy, and you get all the tickets to sell, without much of a reason to see it (I'm not saying it's good cinema but it is a good analogy to what the difference b/t R and 13 is) but suddenly the actual reason to see it is lost. Studios are doing this because people are dumb and/or indifferent, most people see 5-9 movies in a theater a year, so the only good R movies we get are low budget comedies/dramas/action (see: Rambo). The only hundred million dollar budgets getting passed (per usual) are aimed right at PG-13.But beside the rant, I really wonder if it matters as to content (ratings wise)? I was at a pre-funeral gathering the other nite and the subject of '2 girls 1 cup' came up and a few people asked if I'd seen it? I replied, only when I eat slightly melted chocolate ice cream.
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To be quite honest, factual number aside, I think studios are getting more and more nervous about the massive costs of these movies. Ergo, they will have to be advertised all day for all audiences to see. They just want the biggest market out there possible and given what an average teen spends on the movies (a lot), they are taking the gamble of pissing of a few geeks against making 20 or 30 million $ more over its initial run. In these things, there is no artistic integrity whatsoever, just cold calculations. But I don't know how much more money (or less for that matter) will make. Bale is a good thing, but the rumoured lack of Ahnuld is another factor. Come on, he IS the terminator and a lot of people will think of this of what American Pie Band Camp was to the American Pie franchise (yeah, I did just compare the Terminator series with a pie humping series) - a cheap cash-in without any of the original stars. Save Eugene Levy as a cold blooded killer robot. Now there is an idea...
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic/mpaa.htm
R, in the same league as POTC. -
First, let me complain, then reason: Fuck this. A PG-13 movie? Fuck McG, fuck the studio system where everything is about merchandising, fuck this PG-13 shit. What in the hell are we coming to? Now the more reasoned thinking: Film-making is a fucking art. I know that sounds cheesy, but having businessmen in charge of movies is like have butchers in charge telling painters what to paint in order to make their work more marketable. It makes no fucking sense. If you strip an artist of their originality in order to make something more appealing, it just becomes more like the other shit that is out there that isn't appealing at all. And these fucks wonder why movie ticket sales continue to go down every year. Gee, I wonder why. It is all relative fellas. You try to perfect target marketing and you lose more of your market. "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers". Christian Bale is in my top 3 favorite actors. If he doesn't have the power now, he will after The Dark Knight opens huge. For the first time he will have the power to put his foot down and tell the studio that Terminator needs to be an R franchise, or he's out. It's what separates people like him from just a movie star...he's an artist. When freedom of creativity is given to the filmmakers and allow them to realize their visions, you get franchises like Star Wars, The Lord of the Rings and Terminator. When you don't, you get shit like The Fantastic Four. Businessmen and Filmmakers can work together fantastically, and they should, but there is a reason the businessmen are not directors. They have no artistic vision. They forget why people want to go to the movies in the first place. People want to see something new. Terminator 4 has (or should I say had) this potential, but now they are squandering it. Films should be a union of business and artistry, but this is making it all business. I understand that the execs want to make their money back. That's understandable. I'm not wanting to completely ridicule you. We just want you to open up your wallets and lead the path into the next golden age of cinema. What did the child in each of us want to see when we were growing up? We wanted to see a different kind of story. The more they take a different story away, the less we care to see it. It is only a matter of time before the movie-going-public begins to see things the way that we as movie buffs do. There is no perfect system in art. Otherwise we would have a million Mona Lisas. I hope the powerful artists in the industry stand up together and fight this onslaught, respectfully. Not specifically for Terminator 4, but for film in general. They make billions of dollars collectively and all we are asking of them now is they fight for artistic freedom for artists to come, who aren't big yet. It's why we are all on here. We love movies. Please speak up for those of us who don't have a voice in the industry, but a passion for your work. I guess I just hope that the execs find the child within themselves who wanted to see the original works that are truly remembered. Would they rather be proud of the box office sales, or of the product. I hope this isn't falling on deaf ears. What do you guys think?
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The first movie i remember somewhat visually was Alien, but i don't really remember that well, but I do remember being allowed to watch Commando all the time and watching the pic legendary suit up scene over and over.
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This is ridikilis!, cmon MCJACKOFF wake up, if stallone could convince MPAAsses to keep Rambo 4 R then why not shoot to keep terminator 4 R?
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Holy mother of Jeebus! What is it with the fracking kids of today?
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It's not about whether it's a good movie, or a Terminator movie.
It's about the bottom line.
They know that those who would have seen an R-rated Terminator movie WILL see this PG-13 crap. Even if they bitch about on some internet site.
This way, kids will also see it. And buy the merchandise aimed at kids.
Hollywood is not in the business of making good movies. It's in the business of making money.
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Must be run by motherfuckin Soccer Moms, what is this 1950? We grew up on R rated Violent movies. I hope all this PUSSY BRAIN shit stops soon.
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t1000 metal spike dude, breakin arms, shootin people to shit, dead dogs, tongue raping conner etc.
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What the fuck? What about all the old Terminator action figures and the Aliens action figures, and the games and... ????
I'm with Quint on this. Total bullshit, even if the world isn't made up people like he and myself who watched R at seven, action figures can still be sold to kids. And seeing all the little kids who were even younger than I thought was cool at the theater for Rambo... yeah, this is a big crock of BS. Make it R or don't make it at all. Peace. -
PG-13 making more money is a fallacy, all these franchises were started with violent movies or just plain old weird shit that fell out of an artist's head that would never come out of a 13 and under target marketing meeting (Unless it was being held by Dino Laurentiis or something). The fascination that sells toys and sequels is there BECAUSE, not in spite of, these movies being aimed at older kids and ripe old film geeks.
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Rob Zombie isn't doing T4, cause then we'd have sheri moon zombie as female stripper soldier at some rebel outpost, half drunk long haired commandos with guns, and taylor mane as a terminator.
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May 05, 2008 2:49:30 AM CDT
If i had to choose DH4 was the biggest ratings drop mistake
by fisheater
Aliens scripts were gettin shit anyway and so were/are Terminator. DH4 had hope, despite being the 4th, for something decent i think. I still haven't seen the cunt tho, AVP1 completely changed my view of franchise PGers.
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can go watch their fuckin star wars and cartoon movies, terminator, die hard , escape from new york are ADULT MOVIES, This is all george lucas' fault with the fucking merchandising toys BS he started.
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Nevermind. It's actually a terrible idea.
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Out of All the terminator movies they choose a pg13, its the one that deals with a huge future war between hundreds of evil terminators and rebel fighters!!! If any of them NEED an R rating its T4!! why would they announce the rating so early to begin with? This usually isnt done till the movie is made..hmmmm..are they possibly testing the waters to see if therell be a mean ass uprising because of the pg13 decision? I say start protesting now!!!..they have to listen!.. Michael Bay of all people listened to fans to bring back peter cullens optimus voice, why not this? Where the fuck is james cameron when you need him?
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That is, Kids love it because it as violent as fuck. and strange, strange works at every age.
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This is his shit, DO SOMETHING JAMES. atleast Carpenter has some say about his movies being remade.
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till this day i dont see why jumping off the harrier was such a big deal? it looked credible ..mclane jumps off collapsing freeway, onto harrier and off the harrier and slides down some concrete slab...wtf is so incredible about that ??? its not like the jet was going 300mph, it was hovering still!.. i just dont get the backlash on that. Watch transporter 2 and then try telling me dh4 was ridiculous.
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James cameron is out there masterbating to the fancy billion dollar camera he keeps blabbing about will "be the future" of movie making..while producing nothing the last 10 years...instead of getting back to what made him a god T1&T2!
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but Die Hard was gritty. that scene belongs in a different franchise altogether.
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kenny loggins, frank stallone, celine dion, Jonas Brothers..LOL
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If they're aiming for a movie like Die Hard 4, which was appalling. McG can't direct for shit, I have no intention of watching him rape Cameron's classics (Mostow was bad enough).
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I'll go see your PG-13 Terminator movie. I'll sit right in the middle of a packed theater of families. And every time a character says "jerk" or "freak" I'll scream "cunt" and "fuck". For every slut that keeps her shirt on, I'll play shadow animals in front of the projector with my cock. I figure if everyone in this talkback follows we may damn well have a Terminator film worth paying admission for.
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about McClane in Die Hard 4. Completely unrecognisable character from the other movies.
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Why do they always dumb down movies like this? (I'm being rhetorical - I know it is purely to make cash from the kiddies & the toys).
Why don't they ever do the opposite? Why not take a successful PG-13 movie and make an R rated sequel?
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Can't wait for my bowl of Terminator Cheerios and Terminator happy meal and Terminator pj's. Seriously, a lot of us cut McG some slack when he got the gig just hoping and praying he would give the fans what they wanted: serious, kick ass future action and violence. Something bloody and exhilerating, and this is how the mother fucker pays us back. Bad move asshole.
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That is all.
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they'd learn. I'm afraid this movie is going to be joining both AVP films for me. Not worthy of my time and will remain unwatched.
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List of Directors with NO TALENT, and NO business making movies today....Brett Ratner...Len Wiseman...MCG....Michael Bay...Johnathan Mostow.
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yea die hards are gritty but cmon, all of the diehard movies have one or two over the top scenes..jumping off a building,ejecting out of a cockpit (while the grenades take 2 min to explode),surfing on a dump truck through a flooded tunnel,,to name a few..
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unfortunately, cameron has all but seperated himself from the terminator franchise, unlike stallone who gave a shit about the whole rambo 4 project from the start on how is was being made. thats why it was successful. This SHIT T4 is going downnn in flames, MCG has no balls , he's just being pussywhipped by the assholes financing the movie.
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You're left with Teminato. And that my friends, sounds shit.
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Stallone is awesome! I love it how in this uptight as hell day in age he was able to make rambo the most realistic war movie out there in a long time..Cant wait for part 5, and hopefully it will be an action film afterall.
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AS fun as T3 was, I really feel that this series is essentially a James Camerson thing. Without him, it's not going to be that great, is it?
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I don't even care anymore. They're never going to learn and if these watered down franchises keep generating money then there isn't any reason for them to give a shit either. I'd hate to judge this film solely on this decision before it's even gone into production but it definitely stings, especially when you take the first two movies into consideration and how successful they were with their "R" ratings. Even the third movie, which many consider inferior, had a bit of an edge to it. Quint is absolutely on point when he discusses the last DIE HARD movie. I personally enjoyed that film but felt that it was a decent movie in spite of it's rating, not because of it.
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have the studio suits even ever been to a theater lately?? every R movie ive been to has a dude his chick with their four 6-10 year old kids, this is repeated for about every row. Then, you have the hardcore nerds seated on the sides and way up top..thats besides the point,but, if its rated R ,kids will go see it no matter what! -
Duh. I remember desperately wanting Demolition Man toys when I was a wee one. I guess I'll have to just be happy that I got a few Toxic Crusades toys.
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ssssssshhhhh...psyclops...die hard 4 was not a decent movie BECAUSE of its rating. Thats what the point of this tb...they screwed up dh4 and theyll probably screw this t4 in the ass as well.
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they still make the action figures for R rated movies only theyre the collectables at 300-400$..guess those dont count .
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The world that the Terminator lives in is a hard, deadly, terrifying world. It's what makes you afraid when you're watching the movie. No swear words and no blood and you take away that fear. You've ruined the very core of the Terminator films in the process.
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You're right, I shouldn't fuel the fire. I understand the dangers of watering down an R-rated franchise. Remember ROBOCOP 3? Good Christ, that one still hurts. What about the bloodless ALIEN VS. PREDATOR movie, which was based on two very violent series of films where characters have their spines ripped out and their heads punched through with very large sets of teeth? Believe me, I get it.
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Companies like Neca practically built their companies doing just that, and still do. Just in the past couple of years they released action figures based on properties like 300, Sin City, V for Vendetta, Saw, Shaun Of The Dead, Halloween, Grindhouse, Texas Chansaw Massacre, Silence Of The Lambs, Reservoir Dogs and so on. And the MPAA hasn't got the power to "outlaw" anything.
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This movie is gonna suck ass regardless. Forget the presence of Christian Bale, great actor but since when was that enough to guarantee quality in terms of the movie itself? If you even slightly rate McG as a credible movie director then you need to take a minute a think, because you're a fucking idiot. Plus the franchise as a whole has long-since sold out anyway - I realise the series is entertaining but can't compare to the first two films, but T3 epitomises this, why make it without a good director or script? Money money money. The argument above for not making it a PG-13 is feeble incidentally - so some lonely little gimp with no friends or girlfriend managed to get into the theatre underage and buy some merchandise? Well I'm convinced, we can definitely generalise that to all under 13s in the U.S.
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What are they putting in the water over there at FOX Studios? They make the most horrendous decisions when it comes to their prized franchises.
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And i was gutted and although i'm one of the few people (it seems) that likes T-3 i do think it lacks an edge the other two benifited from.
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Sometimes i really wonder what goes through people's minds. Lets be serious, the Terminator Franchise has a massive fanbase, and loads of people are going to see any sequels made, so why go down the PG-13 route? Surely it can't be purely for commercialism. How do the guys who decide these things get their jobs? They are retarded to the Nth degree.
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Die Hard 4 was okay but i agree that it was nerfed by the rating.
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This is like watching a dog get castrated.
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May 05, 2008 5:04:55 AM CDT
So let's all agree that we will not go see it, how about that?
by industrykiller!
Seriously, it really couldn't get any worse. If you think Christian Bale alone can save a PG-13, McG (a horrible director, yes even for the kind of films he makes) directed, John Connor played by a sickly child who looks and acts NOTHING like Michael Biehn Terminator film then you are as fanboyishly naive as you are stupid. Let's all put our money where are mouths are right this second and boycott it outright. You don't NEED to see a film you know for a fact will be horrible in theaters, just let it pass you by and you'll feel better for it. If we want to start forcing change then let's do it. It's time to stop the egregious raping of franchises and genre filmmaking in general. If the usually very docile (just look at the McG excusing) Quint can get worked up about it then so can we. So what do you say?
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Perfect age! Robots! Violence, Gore and titties!I think they get away with way more in PG's now than they ever did and to me you might as well call u's PG, PG = 15, 15 = 18. I enjoyed the new Die Hard and it felt like a 15 to me but i want my old Schools Old School! there was no swearing! John McClane aint 100% John McClane without humdreds of ''fuck you's'' and a Yippee-Kay-Yay MotherFucker! and Terminator aint terminator without flesh ripping gore and shit so this will likely be a watchable A-Team type deal that might be slighltly better when the directors cut comes out! I can't say i'm in the slightest bit excited.
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to expose Wiseman, McG and Ratner for the talentless hacks that they are.
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It was a "12" in the uk as far as I can recall. Not that it was a great film or anything, but it was nowhere near an R in the same way the first two were.
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That's passed uncut (I checked) at 12A, which is near identical in ratings terms to PG-13. That being said, T2 was 15 on original release (though the movie was cut by the distributor to avoid the 18 rating). So in the UK, we've had a history of toned down Terminator. This latest news is just par for the course for a franchise that's happy to sacrifice fans for the wider paying public...
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That would have sucked too.
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you know, like, ROBOCOP 3 movie gold......
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T2 being, hands down, the worst of the series. The most embarrassing, corny, ridiculous, and stupid. And thats not just because the ending was almost exactly the same as Old Yeller.
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just as a side note.Is it just me or are todays movies not so quotable any more?
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I tried to like that movie. I really wanted to give it a pass, but the more I thought about it the more it really pissed me off. This will be the same thing.
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so shut the hell up, you stupid kid and go back watching the new SW trilogy you love so much.moron
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the same movie. The days of big-budget, fantasy / sci fi R's are all done. Did you enjoy it while it lasted?
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you could rate this nc-17 or G and i would still approach this with all the trepidation imaginable. PG or R won't help either.
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Aiming for the widest possible target market. While I think what goes for PG-13 in 2008 would likely have been considered an "R" in 1984 or even 1991, I tend to agree, it's a pretty shortsighted move. Have the suits at WB not heard of fake ID?
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You think Bale is gonna fill Arnold's Shoes? Scwarzennger is not a Val Kilmer or George Clooney People
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May 05, 2008 6:56:48 AM CDT
McG lost my ticket. Christian Bale got it back. This just lost i
by mefrog
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I mean this lost it again.
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Just what the talkbackers needed!
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I regret paying to see DH4.0. I own all the other DH dvds in many incarnations - love them. But i won't buy DH4.0 in any incarnation - ruined the whole franchise - even put me off the original. A PG13 Terminator will do the same for that franchise - kills it for me - i'm not gonna bother getting the blu-rays of the originals now, cos i know that even seeing the trailers on TV for this PG shit is gonna put me right off the originals. Another great franchise bites the dust due to short sighted, incompetent corporate greed. They think they're getting kids in, but i was a kid when i saw the originals and it made me a fan ('til now). Like all kids i could smell a watered down turd a mile off and that put off the kids worse than it did the adults - it's the Hard-R that they love - not because it's gratuitous, but because it's for adults, uncut, uncensored, non-patronizing. They've taken the wrong lesson from DH4.0 here. Bad bad bad decision.
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Just curious. Because if I was in his shoes and this came as a surprise, I'd be pissed.
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...i couldn't even write that last talkback heading correctly! :(((
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Now I can watch Terminator with the WHOLE family. Awesome.
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They just lost my ticket(s).
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"will definitely go & see in cinema" to "wait for the reviews to find out if the download is even worth the bandwith". (it wasn't worth it on "die hard 4").
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the guy is the definition of hack and makes Bay look good
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Another TINO
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without the requisite number of "fucks" mayhem and violence. Think about it. If some cyberintelligence took over the country and sent invincible robots to kill us, "fuck" would be the word overheard most often. That ain't no PG-13 world. And I hope to hell Mark McGrath ain't directing.
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I swear it's going to happen! PG-13. Fuckers. Fuckers, fuck. I like the Sarah Connor Chronicles.
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You got it. A chick terminator, that'll be the day. What's next, a colored one?
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TSCC ain't legit!
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You know, like every fucking classic in Hollywood's vaults before the 1970s. man, those were some shitty, shitty movies, every single one of them. Nobody ever made a good movie that wasn't a hard R. Nope, not a single one.
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Don't get me wrong, it was already fucked, but now it's like... superfucked.
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This is unbelievably gay.
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May 05, 2008 7:50:57 AM CDT
It will be fine, an R rating does not a great Movie make.
by teh awesome
Nor does it make it suck. I would much rather see a well directed, well acted, well shot movie than simply a movie with an R rating. What will being PG-13 prevent the new terminator movie from being great?
So they can't drop 35 F bombs, they can't bang Hookers, big deal. Stop crying, this could still be an excellent movie. I really hope noone uses the PG-13 as an excuse to shut your ears and close your eyes to a potentially good movie.
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Granted, it signals that the film might be made by committee, but the rating itself isn't that big of a deal. I think you could take out the blood and guts of T2 and it still would have been just as good (you need the violence for the first film). Violence in Die Hard, however, was integral to the film. It's called Die Hard for chrissakes!
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and few will care if it gets made and even fewer will want to pay to see it.
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Please. If you can't enjoy T2 and even think it is a bad movie, you need to stop watching movies.
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The first Terminator is a classic and is the very best of the franchise. Everything after the first film is the Terminator "Expanded Universe." I enjoyed the other movies and TSCC but the pale compared to the first one. So basically, I always have low expectations in regards to the franchise.
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you have a point. Today, Terminator 2 might escape with a PG13 rating (if you removed the Todd-milk carton death scene). Or T3. Wouldn't take much to make that a PG13, because it wasn't especially violent. Most deaths were implied. You didn't actually see "Jose Berrera" get his brains blown out, or Kate's fiance getting sawed to pieces. I stopped watching the Sarah TV show after a couple weeks, so I don't know what's going on there. I exaggerate a bit of course when I suggest that a concept that is "R" could not thrive in "PG13" land, but it does sort of create parameters for violence / language that makes fans wary.
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Lots of stuff getting shot at. That would be so...freaking....bad. No this is awful though. Yeah the Die Hard thing is funny because the action was decent. But no R-rating really made a huge difference. Even when people said it was pushing PG-13 hard. Hilarious. This won't be doing much either. Except throwing another franchise away in the hopes of getting a little more money. Is Terminator relevant to the PG-13 crowd? Honestly, come on. Maybe barely, and even less for Die Hard. If R-rated comedies can do well, then certainly R-rated Terminator movies will to...
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They'll be making porno's without naked people having sex next and you'll get people saying 'stop whining, it's not like it's important or anything providing the end result is good'.
Whilst TSCC had a sly sense of humour in places it just remains in the shadow of the original two. As many have remarked, and like the Clone Wars before it, the Future War between man and machine should have remained a chilling story told to set the stakes for the original film.
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that is a fact...and i dont mean Advertising..i mean those cocksmoker losers who spend all their time manipulating and fucking up creative ideas so they can be turned into lifeless turds with profit potential
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man, i'm depressed now. fuck this movie
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Please come and rescue thy most wonderful creation. Save it from those who wouldst seek to render it unto horseshit. And smite those, which hath corrupted it. Can I get an Amen, Brothers?
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That doesn't mean there isn't a world full of losers out there who'll be shelling out the cash to see this crap... it's just the fans that lose, the people who actually care about the movies that get screwed. Just another signpost of the ongoing retarding of culture.
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No major movies will dare go for it. The Matrix trilogy may be the last R rated blockbusters ever.
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Will we see a terminator cut out its own eye? Will we see a terminator skewer some poor dude through the FACE? No. Instead we will see people get shot and die without a hint of blood. And people will say 'heck' and 'frick' as they run for their lives. But at least we'll be a able to buy the toys. Motherfuckers.
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Quint you were 10 when T2 came out? Wow, I thought some of you were older. I saw T1 when it came out. Now I'm feeling a bit old. Anywhoo, T1 and T2 were cool. T3 was the worst. Now we get a chance to make that all better and we get this news? Oh dear. Bring on Conan. And please please don't fuck it up. Please.
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The only thing that had me interested before was Bale anyway.
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Gee, a brand-new planned Terminator trilogy directed by McG, the first being positioned as a huge summer movie...no shit it's PG-13. Yeah, the other ones are R, and now you can't have any of your precious gore. All this means is that you won't see any direct shots to the head, and you won't see quite as much blood. Big fucking deal; let's worry whether or not the movie is well-written first.
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Amen brother.
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are they even bothering with this. Marketing, Laziness, the fact that McG is the king of ass hat PG13 action, and an R would take him out of his comfort zone? Please. They should turn out the lights on this now. Bale should flee this thing before it sucks him down with it. Future Wars should only be done if Cameron for some reason wants to come back and do it himself.
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What the FUCK are you talking about? I'm guessing you hit your head this morning, it's the only explanation.
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My God is this a bad decision. Like, Biblically bad. Merchandising for a PG-13, soccer mom-approved "Terminator" movie has become more important than the actual movie? My God...
I've been a defender of McG directing this film (or trilogy of films), and have taken a lot of shit for my position. But the studio making a "Terminator" film without blood, sex, horror, soldiers being blown apart in battle, or characters saying the word "fuck" for the sake of pulling in under-15-year-olds is a decision I will never, ever support. Studio suits can justify this decision however they feel like justifying it. But they're cocksuckers, and I wonder if they're even human if they PG-13ify such a classically R-rated franchise like "Terminator."
I withdraw my support for this film, McG, and anything to do with Terminator 4 unless I see a big fat R rating on it.
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Robocop. Now that was a great sci-fi film with balls and wasn't watered down to appeal to 'the family audience'. Then came the appalling sequels...
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in the hands of sylvester stallone.that'd be amazing.
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Didn't keep me out when I was a kid and I still don't see the AMC Theater polizai carding the populace going into the megaplex. Its called pandering to the MPAA and Joe mid-west bible thumper. Balls in the bowl all around. All in all it doesn't really matter because the MPAA's world isn't the real world, but no one really goes out to see the real world to make a proper assessment. Personally, I saw so many R flicks as a kid I was totally desensitized to all of it. The big deal is that the big boys don't give movie goers credit for knowing reality from fantasy anymore. And, if the youngins are the issue is there really any difference when a 11 year old goes alone vs his dad or mom taking him and 3 of his friends? Is mom really going to have a discussion about the film's violence in the mini van on the way home to play Call of Duty 4 on the xBox?
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why? They've made a Beowulf movie, complete with epic theme music. you know they'd just rip that off for a King Conan flick as well.but still, essentially an arnold live-action version of Beowulf? i'm there.
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that is what its about. The dudes that make these incredibly lamo decisions are at it again. I don't like it, but if the numbers say pg-13, the movie is gonna be pg-13. you can argue with each other but they look at their stats. If anyone worth a shit wanted to direct a terminator movie, the tune might be different.
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like that means anything nowadays?
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if it's just a bunch of robots being blown to shit then pg13 is understandable. I mean the human kills in the intro of t2 weren't graphic enough to warrant an r so there ya go.
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First FOX kills the ALIEN and DIE HARD franchises... Now WB seems content to let the TERMINATOR franchise descend into mediocrity. Welcome to the long abyss of diminishing returns... it didn't have to be this way. Sadly, the STAR WARS prequels are looking pretty good right about now... Oh, how low we have sunk :-(
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A movie about war and destruction that is PG-13.
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Both of your arguments are spurious at best, and studio ass-kissing at worst. Neither of you give a shit what the film is rated, obviously, but in my opinion your reasons for believing what you believe are small-minded and kind of juvenile.
ZO: you better care what it's rated. PG-13 is strictly no excessive blood or violence, nudity, or the word "fuck." So your argument that ratings mean nothing nowadays is bogus. They mean everything, whether you want to believe it or not.
Alienindisguise: so you're happy if a bunch of terminators get blown up but no humans get their arms pulled off, scream in agony, say "fuck," or watch their friends suffer in R-rated ways, thus heightening the unpredictability of the drama? You're honestly ok with that? -
This series ended with T2. Before all the Robocop crossover nonsense. Before the cash-in T3 that could've been directed by a beaver for all I know. Before the theme park ride. Before the television series that is set at a snooze a minute. It's over.
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FUCK! sorry...haven't had coffee....that's all I have to say about this now. And probably ever. FUCK.
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shooting for PG13 means the studio never had much faith in the project anyways. The producers spent years dicking around trying to find someway of revitalizing the franchise and they fuck it up anyways. I'll wait till the trailer to decide on whether I pay for this or netflix it.
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would be if Bale threatened to walk-off. Although, those stupid caving fucks at Halcyon would just replace him with some pathetic b-list cocksmoker from The Hills or some other vapid bullshit.I'm really hoping the studio guys have one of their hopeless lackeys perusing these sites just so they know who fucking stupid and pathetic this decision really is.HEY YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS, DO YOU REALLY THINK CAMERON WAS CONCERNED ABOUT FUCKING TEENAGERS AND SOCCER MOMS WHEN HE MADE THE FIRST TWO?You fucking embarrassments of a studio should be allowed banned from making anything that can be consumed by the masses.
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...they don't really kill people, just knock them out.
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Oh, they were rated R, so they must have been good.
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word.
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. . . RETARDED!
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Incapacitator... right on, blackmantis. I like it. We should petition the studio.
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If it's got Summer Glau in it, I'm there. Hmmm...Summer Glau or Kristen Bell...tough choice.
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LOL. This movie is going to suck so badly and unfortunately it's probably going to make a killing at the box-office. To be honest I lost all faith in the film when McG was announced as the director. The man hasn't even made a half decent action movie, so God knows what the suits were thinking employing that talentless hack to direct such a prestigious franchise? Adding to the fact that this is supposed to be a post-apocalyptic war against the machines much like Kyle Reese's flashbacks from the original Terminator, how can it not be anything but a hard R rating movie? Well at least there's DVDs of older movies since Hollywood can't or won't make real full-blooded quality action movies.
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...."oh, it wasn't true to the character and the true spirit of Die Hard..." sort of terrible. I mean shifting in my seat, so bored my ass is falling asleep, keep looking at my watch, get up to take a piss and take my time getting back to my seat kind of terrible.
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kicked ass. That is all.
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Yes. Die Hard 4 was bland, baby food when we all wanted to eat greasy pizza with all the toppings. But let's all think about the guilty pleasure that was the Sarah Connor Chronicles. Did we watch it? I did. Apparently, a lot of other people watched it too. Before it came on, I was screaming & crying "DOGSHIT!" for months. Then I watched it. Why? Because it was great?...NO! The series is an okay, imperfect distraction. The secret of the show's success?....THERE WERE NO NEW SHOWS ON TV! Not since "What's Happening" had Re-run been a household name. It was either watch American Gladiators or Sarah Connor Chronicles. After watching a half hour of American Gladiators, my morbid curiosity was satisfied, and I was ready to move on. I'm actually somewhat surprised the show is being resurrected again for Summer reality filler. Now American Gladiators is one of those shows like "Last Comic Standing" that only comes on when it's 90+ degrees outside. Back to the graveyard with that already! Anyhow, my point is that they can get away with PG-13ish violence on a mediocre Terminator TV series during a writer's strike. When the bar is American Gladiators, the bar is pretty low. A PG-13 Terminator movie in theaters?...let's hope all the 13-16 year olds out there have better taste because that's who they're targeting with this movie. I'll tell you what I imagine The Suits are thinking, "Well, this generation has grown up watching edited-for-television versions of all 3 Terminator movies, and the Sarah Connor Chronicles...we can make more money if these kids can buy tickets to Terminator 4!" Times have changed, and probably all movie theaters card kids. And how many teenagers want to go to the R-rated movie with their parents? Shit, I'm 29 and still get carded by my movie theater. WTF? I remember when it all started in our town. My best friend and I got dropped off to see "Falling Down". They told us we had to be 17 or have an adult with us. They tried to comfort us by offering that they had two shitty movies playing that weren't rated R. We walked out and went next door to use the pay phone to call my Dad to come back and pick us up; then we played a dilapidated KUNG FU arcade game until he got there. Yup, we used pay phones and played arcade games back then. Times were different. Not too much time later, I remember having to get my Dad to buy our tickets to Predator 2, then he sat in the back of the theater while we moved to the front row so we didn't have to feel UNcool. You know who the cool one was? My Dad was the cool one for taking the time to cart our asses around to see R-rated action movies. I want every 13-16 year old on this message board to demand an R-rated Terminator movie, then bite the bullet and have your parents (or older sibling or whatever) buy your tickets (keyword "buy", you and your friends can "pay" for it by handing them the money beforehand). When I was 13 I didn't settle for seeing PG or PG-13 shit when confronted with a forced choice, I walked the fuck out! IF YOU STOP PAYING TO SEE PG-13 GARBAGE...THEY'LL STOP MAKING IT! Only you can prevent forest fires!...oh wait, they don't make PSAs anymore...only us old folks will get that. Anyhow, this is how I spent my morning called-off sick from a job I hate. And kids...that's a future far scarier than any PG-13 Terminator movie.
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Was Lokken punching through a guy's stomach to grab a steering wheel. Take that out and you have a Saturday morning cartoon.
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Ok, not really. I have a tentative hopefulness in McG based on his show Supernatural and his casting judgement in T4. It's not much to hang onto, but hope can breed in the most barren of ground.
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Now, the real reason this phenomenon began was that someone decided a few years back that it was time to enforce the R ratings, right? Thus, cutting out the under 18 crowd that was always a big part of their audience. I dunno, I just find it funny, simply because it's like the movie industry admitting after many years that they really did market R rated movies to people that were supposedly not allowed to see them.Quint, I'm a little perturbed to see you refer to the "cool parents" who let other people's kids see R rated movies. I hope that's you just saying kids think they're cool. Cuz, if you think that, you may want to consider becoming an adult at some point.
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The point here is not that every movie should be R. It's that Terminator has been an R-rated franchise so far, and making it PG-13 hints at a watering down of the flick, and likely only to sell more tickets.
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Theatrical releases are just commercials.
To get the big BO, must get the kids, and that means . . . NO R-RATING.
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.. is over. DOA. Who cares?! Haven't we learned anything from squeezing Star Trek to death? Terminator 1 was a groundbreaking film. Terminator 2 was a nice reboot just like Aliens was an interesting departure from Alien. But it's over. T3 was a waste of time. I could care less about the television series. IT'S OVER!
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Is if people stop going to this crap. I think Fox actually listened to all the fanboy ranting after AvP was released as PG-13 trash and even though it did well during it's box office run, it probably died quickly on DVD because their core audience didn't want anything to do with it. So what do they do? They decide to release AvP2 as an R-rated splatterfest with the hope that it'll appease the fanboys. Unfortunately they forgot to use a good script or decent actors so the R rating couldn't save that monumental pile of dogshit. As a result the movie tanked and being studio brainiacs, they equate the R-rating with limited audience and will go right back to shoving out watered down garbage. Warners is doing the same thing with T3 after seeing what happened with the first AvP and DH4. They figure PG-13 plus bonzo box office equals a movie that people will give a crap about in 10 years.If it's anything the Fantastic Four movies have taught me, it's that studios have stopped caring about actually making good movies, films like Dr. Strangelove that will still be on an AFI list a century from now. It's all about the quick returns. The way to stop this is by not paying to see it. Let the "Yo, yo, yo" teenagers who have an attention span shorter than the frickin' pants they wear down around their knees and the Botoxed soccer moms with cheeks stretched tighter than a frog's anus throw their money down on this and give it a stellar opening weekend, but the total lack of fan support will sink this faster than Nader's presidential bid.
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The way Hollywood is fucking itself in the ass with all these damned stupid remakes and shit...Die Hard 4 sucked in the worst way possible! And now this, you could see that one coming a mile away. I have an idea why not make all movies PG-13 , even those in the genres that in no way should be meant for a kid that age to see...
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LISTEN CLOSELY YOU GODDAMNED DUMBASS OBLVIOUS CORPORATE GESTAPO HOLLYWOOD FUCKS (Yeah like that'll happen, fuck it I need to vent anyway haha).......DO YOU REALLY THINK SELLING A COUPLE MORE HAPPY MEALS AND A FUCKING TERMINATOR FAMILY SUNDAY FUNDAY WHERE MOM CAN TAKE LITTLE JOHNNY AND SUZY TO SEE A COOL HIP MINIMAL VIOLENT TERMINATOR "KICK SOME BUTT" MOVIE, JUSTIFIES YOU DESTROYING WHAT COULD BE A GREAT REVIVAL TO A GREAT STORY AND ALIENATING A HUGE FAN BASE? WE ARE YOUR FUCKING MEAL TICKET, ASSHOLES! THINK ABOUT WHO YOU'RE MAKING THIS MOVIE FOR. YOU WANT SCI FI FOR KIDS THEN INVEST IN A "HANNAH MONTANA IN SPACE" MOVIE TO PLEASE THESE BORED SUBURBAN FAMILY TYPES, BUT TERMINATOR & ANYTHING PG RATED IS AN OXYMORON. NOW EXCUSE ME, I HAVE TO GO MOURN THE PASSING OF THE TERMINATOR FRANCHISE 1984-1991 R.I.P. *sniff sniff* "Here Lies a great story, gang raped and left for dead by morons with millions"
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I really enjoyed T2 and T3. As a kid I loved the first one but I re-visited it on DVD a couple years back and realized it aged about as well a block of Gouda lying in a puddle of piss in 100 degree heat.I didn't go see DH4 in the theater,
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Since it was in Camerons own words 'a reworked homage to the old B-Movie stalker movies he used to enjoy', the idea it's become a bombastic family orientated action flick is disheartening by itself.
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I didn't go see DH4 or AvP in the theater, I won't go see T4 either.After the success of the Matrix trilogy, I'm surprised Warners isn't willing to take a chance on a R-rated second trilogy for Terminator. Must be a new douchenozzle in charge over there.
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To me not even being interested. PG-13 WHAT KIND OF SHIT IS THIS?
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If it's an R rated action movie that your 13+ year old son has seen the likes of on home video, and you talked it over with his friends' parents...taking your son and his friends to see the R rated action movie isn't all that bad. Just know what kind of movie you're taking them to first. There are many websites dedicated to detailing the reasons why a movie has its rating. But if your kid is 8 years old, Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay might not be the best choice. Hell, I'm 29 years old now, have just said No to drugs my entire life, and I had the passing thought to get high after watching Harold & Kumar. How do you think that little boy sitting 2 rows in front of me felt after the movie? At first I thought his older sister and her boyfriend took him to the movie. But afterward, I decided it must have been his 20-22 year old parents. The mom looked like barely-drinking-age, I-love-cigarettes, stripper-pole, trash. The dad looked like a skinny, tattoo-sleaved, bathtub-meth-making, prison bitch. Here's another TRUE STORY...I was watching The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning, and a baby started crying. I said the following out loud so the parents could hear it, "Are you kidding me?! Is that a baby crying in here? The screaming alone in this movie will give that child nightmares for the rest of its life." About 10 minutes later, because the baby would not stop crying, a group of maybe 5 or 6 adults left with the baby. Apparently, their whole "crew" decided they would leave since baby's mamma had to take the infant home. LESSON: Bad Parents make Worse Kids who make Even Worse Parents who make Even Worse Kids. Shit. They need to bring back PSAs, after-school specials, and very special episodes of Family Ties just to teach kids some common sense these days.
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They needed a director they could control. This is NOT his movie, it's the movie studio's movie and they are milking the cow for all it's worth. This movie would have made 500MM world wide EASILY being rated R. Do they really need to sacrifice the integrity of the franchise to squeeze another 100MM out of a PG-13 rating? Some of us hoping for something better than T3 may not even go see it now...
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Around 12-18 they're going for will turn their noses up at this anyone, proclaiming they want more violence to 'feel' like its adult film. I did.
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Someone, make it happen quick
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should shoot his own brains out
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May 05, 2008 11:10:16 AM CDT
DAMMMNIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTT TOOOOOO HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
by t 1000 xp professional
...woww...the faith i gained in this movie, THE FREAKING HARD EARNED FAITH I gained in this movie, is being lost.......this freaking hurts. I already know where their hearts are behind this movie, and I don't like it.
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..and it didn't feel like an R-Rated movie--and I was 12. Strange thing, strange thing how the production companies *think* but what are you gonna do? They put the money down to make a movie so.. It's the modern times, sit down and be PG13
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It's official.
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It wasn't just the PG-13 rating. It was the writing, acting, and directing. I totally didn't care about the characters, and an action movie is only as good as its villain(s). I would have been happier with the PC guy instead of the Mac guy, playing the role of hacker. Okay, here's your FUN FACT: Why didn't John McTiernan direct Die Hard 4? McTiernan is the guy who directed the original Die Hard and Die Hard with a Vengeance that you liked so damn much. ANSWER: Because the studio didn't know if McTiernan would be called into court or jail during the filming. The story itself sounds like a movie and will no doubt someday be made into one...probably a made for TV drama. The feds busted this guy, Anthony Pellicano, known as Private Eye to the stars. Anthony Pellicano had equipment for illegal phone wire taps and homemade explosives in his house. John McTiernan was one of many Hollywood folk who paid this private investigator to do illegal phone taps on their spouse, probably to gain knowledge for an easier divorce case. Unlike people like Tom Cruise, who had his lawyer be the complete point-of-contact with the private eye, John McTiernan hired the private eye himself. Here's the abridged version from wikipedia: "On April 3, 2006, McTiernan was charged in federal court with lying to the FBI during an interview in the wiretapping investigation involving Anthony Pellicano. He was arraigned and pleaded guilty on April 17, 2006, and is the 14th person charged in this case. Some time later, upon retaining new counsel, McTiernan attempted to withdraw his guilty plea. On September 24, 2007, this bid was denied by Federal District Judge Dale S. Fischer. She then proceeded to sentence McTiernan to four months in prison for lying about his relationship with Pellicano. He was ordered to surrender for incarceration by January 15, 2008. His lawyers stated thereafter he planned to appeal this conviction."
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Yeah, and in this movie the terminators will pop wings out like Buzz lightyear and fly (like Robo 3).
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I get your point, but would have to ask, during what year were you 12 years old? I saw the first Terminator on VHS in like 1985 or 86. I was 14 or so at the time, and it had enough "R" material in it to feel "R" to me. Some violence, ripping hearts out of chests, eye surgery, a bunch of F-bombs, some sara connor nipplage, etc.
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DIE HARD 4 sucked for a whole mess of reasons. The PG-13 rating was just one of them. It was 13 years since we've seen McLane--what is he doing. Wearing trendy clothing spying on his daughter, Lucy GENARO. I'm sorry, but I knew then--this was a lame DIE HARD.
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It was shit when it came out in the early 90s and its still shit now. I think the people who liked it probably haven't seen very many films prior to 1990 and, ergo, have nothing too judge it on.
Btw, how come the T-1000 tortures Sarah Connor and tries to force her to call for her son WHEN HE CAN ALREADY MIMIC HER VOICE AND BODY?! Something he does like 2 minutes later? D-U-M-B.
I'm sorry, I guess being born in the 70s makes me, I dunno, be able to judge quality from shit.
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How can a franchise go from having my all time favorite villain (Hans Gruber) to having some second rate henchman wannabe as the main source of evil? Even Jeremy Irons and the Grim Reaper guy were acceptable, but Deadwood dude? Puh-lease.
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But, if the story is good and the characters are well written and acted. Then ALL is NOT lost. An "R" RATING didn't save AVP: REQUIEM. That thing was just as terrible as the first--just with some more gore and better lighting.
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A film doesnt need to have an R rating to be any good. A PG13 Terminator could be excellent - all it would need is a good writer and a good director.
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...here? Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinions, but if you don't even like the original Terminator then why are you here? Why not just hang out at a good Hello Kitty site or maybe a Rush Limbaugh chat site or whatever the hell it is that you DO like? I think it would do you good to spend time thinking about things that you DO like....I don't know, are there good places to comment on blood. And dicks. And Danny Glover?
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May 05, 2008 11:41:21 AM CDT
Somebody said earlier TERMINATOR didn't have that much gore
by t 1000 xp professional
..The reason being, they were trying to avoid the gore, the same gore and violence that would be abundant in the future war... We gotta see why this future was was so freaking scary, didn't it kind of signal the end of mankind...If I were trying to protect the world from a future war, would I have tried as hard if it was a sissy pg-13 war?
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I've abandoned my cyborg!!! I've abandoned my robot!!!!!
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Woody Allen's vision of a terrifying apocalyptic future on the Upper West Side.
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I'm not going to pay $10 to see a dumbed down movie. If they don't want to make T4 a serious R-rated hard sci-fi film, then I'm not paying to see it.
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Oh...so having it rated R was somehow the saving grace? Really? This was cold puke on stale rye since it was announced. The only startling thing...still can't quite wrap the gray jelly around it...is Bale being present at all. I've read he's mostly a bit part not really featured but still...10% of this turd's budget must be reserved for Bale. This is, was, and will be shite. And you know what? I hope I'm right...I'd normally hope I'm wrong but even if I am right and this movie is a shitfest....the chest-bumping fatkids will eat this crap up while wearing their jonah hill tshirts and then McDICK4aNAME will go on to make the 5th fucking movie in this zombie franchise. Let it go folks. It's better for everyone.
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"How come the T-1000 tortures Sarah Connor and tries to force her to call for her son WHEN HE CAN ALREADY MIMIC HER VOICE AND BODY?! Something he does like 2 minutes later? D-U-M-B."I remember thinking the same thing in the theater, but if we're going to get nitpicky about everything in a movie that doesn't make sense then the entire Star Wars saga goes to hell.1. Who doesn't protect an exhaust port that can, if breached, blow up your multi-trillion dollar installation? "Do you have any idea of what this is going to do to my credit rating?"2. Here's an idea, let's use this ion cannon to disable only one ship instead of using it on ALL the ships, especially that one right there launching ground forces that are sure to overrun us.3. Here's an idea, let's launch ground forces instead of dropping a nuke on that Rebel base and saving us all this trouble.4. I know we've got this kick ass space station with all this room and places to put control panels, but let's put the control panel for the tractor beam in the most awkward place possible: on a narrow ramp suspended above a bottomless chasm that is sure to be the graveyard of many a Stormtrooper as they stumble around in their unnecessarily bulky armor.Pre-1991 movies were no less susceptible to eye-rolling moments that briefly took you out of the action.
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Where society has to become politically and socially correct so as to raise society's children. Because parents are no longer capable of telling their kids "no". So the rest of the world must adapt to ensure we keep questionable content from young minds because parents have either A. Been forced to not parent their children or B. Are completely unwilling to Parent their children. So society must do it.
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Please commence the suckling of my testicles. This is going to blow William Hickey's dead cock!
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Until someone decides to grow their balls back and say "I don't care if it makes money, I want a good fucking film that someone will still talk about 20 years from now." Instead of what is safe and make it's money back that year, and the next year no one will remember that it even came out.
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An R rating doesn't make a shit script into a good movie, but a PG13 rating does make a good script into a shit movie.
If they say that a PG13 rating doesn't require this Terminator script to change, then it's not a Terminator script.
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First of all, the MPAA, flawed as it is, completely prevents local ratings and censorship boards, so all this bitching about being a slave to the MPAA, or some of the more elaborate rants about the politically correct forces of society blah blah blah, is massive overkill. Second, they're positioning this as a giant summer movie so yes they're going to make it freaking PG-13 wake the fuck up: the reason they make summer movies is to make money. Not all parents are "cool" enough to let their kids into R-rated movies (and go to an R-rated movie in any major city and see just how "cool" some of those parents are). Third, DOES NO ONE CARE ABOUT THE DAMN SCRIPT ANYMORE? You're geeks, you're supposed to be smarter than people who bitch about movies for not having enough blood/"fucks". If they spend enough time making sure it's a good fucking story then I'm there.
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...the rating isn't the only thing working against the film...
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TheQuietOne himself, an avid movie fan who has sat though pointless, mind boggling, freakly bad acid trips of awful movies which plot went next to nowhere, actual fell asleep during Die Hard 4. I was not tired at all when I went it. There wasn't a sudden jump in the heat. Nobody laced the popcorn (as far as I know). Die Hard 4 was so boring that when I woke up toward the end, I didn't miss a god damn thing. To make an analogy, there is good music that goes in the charts, then elevator music; there is movies that can be call "motion pictures" (good or bad), then there's elevator movies.
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I was afraid this movie might be good.
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Movie makers had balls. Now they bow down to the corporation. PG-13 is the bastard cousin of PG movies.
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Fuckin Republicans! Sorry. Thought it was time for another unnecessary political debate.
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at least SLY has his nuts still..... DH4 was stupid and bad. I watched it and even liked part of it but hitting helicopters with cars and the other "ig nant" stuff like that is just week.
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...I didn't see Die Hard 4 in the theater and the same with Terminator 3...and yeah, they both sucked alot.Being a PG 13 movie does not immediately make Terminator 4 a bad movie...BUT the fact that McG is directing it doesn't help.I say the word "fuck" ALOT...and so do all my friends (people in there 20's, 30's and 40's)...so I can certainly understand the argument. People say fuck! People fuck! Oh, this is so lame. I'm completely done with this.
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Terminators are so cute! They are just so gentle and sweet that I just want to cuddle up with one at night. A terminator that could help with chores around the house, run errands and do my accounting would be great. Oh wait, I forgot that terminators are machines engineered with the sole purpose of killing people. Why a studio would want to produce a movie for children about machines that look like people and then kill them is just so responsible and says so much about why America is such a beautiful mess.
people is a PG-13 affair
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You seem to imply that McG is some kind of auteur. He's not a "filmmaker", he's a hired gun willing to make the studio's dream of a summer tentpole a reality. He's not bowing down to corporation; he IS part of the corporation. PG-13, less blood, boo hoo. You guys really need to find something else to bitch about.
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"The future gotta' eat"
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...your thoughts? ..is there hope?
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it's rather disappointing to see this Quint chap engage in troll like behaviour, getting everyone at it like this. how about we all at least see a trailer, or perhaps even some stills from the set before we all get worked up on this one, hey? in my mind, it was only T1 that warranted an R certificate then and now. as for T2, it's PC friendly morality ("i svear i vill not kill anybudy") meant that it should have been a PG13 then and very much one now. T3 was equally tame. all 3 proved to be good films. and DH4 indeed WAS a good film, unless someone can explain how exactly a few utterances of cunt, fuck or the like, along with extra lingering shots of bullet wounds, would somehow have enhanced the experience? if any of you are actually idiotic enough not to watch a film purely on the basis of the certificate granted, well, more fool you - it's only you that will miss out on a potential slice of fine entertainment, or, in a worst case, be proved right.
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Don't give hired guns a bad name ;)
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In a pg-13 movie compared to an R movie? Is how men describe having sex. Hate us or not ladies...we usually say something along the lines of "bang" or "getme somodat", etc. Whatever. Nobody says "Sleep with her". I see these movies of guys talking and they're like "Yeah but did you sleep with her?" and I'm like...what the fuck...is it 1974? The correct phrasing is "Did you bang her?" or far more common "Did you fuck her?". Now this isn't anti-woman bait or any of that shit and the discussion for misogynist dialogue in movies is for another TB but hearing people speak like that just annoys the shit out of me and reminds me that I'm watching a movie where people cannot say the word fuck more than one time. Terminator 4 will not suck cause they can't say "Fuck" nor will it suck for lack of boobs (tho they never ever hurt of course). No...T4 will suck because it's born to suck. But being all puritanical is sooooo fucking old....can't we just get over it already? Does anyone's head really explode if someone says 'fuck' on tv? Are your mutant kids ruined for life if a titty is on screen? Like Louis CK says....gay guys can't get married cause you don't know how to explain it to your kid? Here's this to start...tell him to have a god damned lollipop, mind his/her own business, watch the movie, and shut the fuck up!!!
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I agree that an R-rating isn't going to add a shine of polish to something that's already a turd, but if you have a good script that was meant to be R rated and pervert it enough that it becomes PG-13, then chances are it becomes unwatchable. And sometimes the source material was meant to be shot one way and one way only. Terminator films are violent by nature. Terminator films set in wartime would be twice as much.Filmmakers should respect the source material and allow it to be everything it's meant to be. A movie set against a violent backdrop requires violent images. Hence, the D-Day landing in "Saving Private Ryan" is the greatest 20-minutes ever put to film, while the bloodless D-Day landing in "The Longest Day" deserves to be dragged through a Mexican sewer and then loaded into a rocket and launched into the sun.
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And now so have you. How does it feel to be the king of asshats?
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STARSHIP TROOPERS. Sad fact.That was 11 friggin years ago!
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I quote: "At least T3 had balls."That's the dumbest thing I've read here in a loooong time. Stop bitching about T2 -- a movie you problably never saw (at least not in a theatre back in 1991 packed with Terminator fans), you fucking kid!
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I remember it clearly. It was fun, and I'd been looking forward to it.
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What, the studio is afraid it won't appeal to teenage girls?! This is ABSURD.
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...because fans like me may see it once, but likely won't see it again because there's less of visceral thrill. This is a TERMINATOR movie for chrissakes!
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If The Dark Knight makes a shitload opening weekend. You will get a PG-13 Terminator film because it has Christian Bale and is PG13. Lets forget the fact that 300 was virtually unknown to common movie goers and made alot of money opening weekend. Who in the world doesnt know what or who The Terminator is? Based on appeal alone and making it a future war you will get many people watching it. But whatever by next year most movies will end up on Hulu.com so what does it matter. Ratings will be irrelevant once everything goes like Youtube. Embeded movies. Confirm Birth Date and move on. Whatever.
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That was a movie that aged poorly in a hurry but at least it didn't pull any punches. It's doubtful that we'll get another big budget no holds barred sci-fi movie like that until the system resets in another 10+ years.
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bucks today, just because, you know, its Arnold (probably the last on screen appearance), and now, because it'll be the last R rated Terminator in existence. And in retrospect Mostow will look like a master of action next to McG.
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Or Planet Terror when I want to be reminded what an over-the-top R-rated movie is supposed to be like.
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"Yo mo' fuckas get yo black asses in da choppa now!"
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I read an interesting review of the film years later claiming that it was on par with "A Modest Proposal" as far as sustained irony. I recognized the Fascist elements in the film but it kind of pissed me off that they didn't actually deal with it. I guess if you look at it from the point of view of sci-fi action film parody then I can see the merits. I'll have to get over my initial distaste and catch that film again.
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I won't be seeing this version.
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The 12-15-year-olds who read this site and have a hard time sneaking into R-rated movies are secretly cheering.Oh and hey DCFilms, I wasn't trying to give hired guns a bad name - pay me a million bucks to direct a G-rated Die Hard 5 and I'll do it with a smile.
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Come on, grow up.
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I thought Starship nailed the book in terms of presenting the fascistic intent. Even in the book there is no neon sign saying - This is fascism. Because the book was written for a young adult audience.
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If that's the case I might as well wait till it shows up on public television... sure some mroe content will be edited out but it probably wouldn't really make a difference. Our Space channel however doesn't edit shit, and they're the most likely ones to get it in a year or so so I'll hang tight till then. Fuck this.
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How the hell are we gonna see Moon Bloodgood cavorting nakedly without an R? Damn you McG!
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There really is a segment of the audience that just walks away from pussification. I still haven't seen Die Hard 4. Not in the theatre, didn't rent it. the only contact I've had with that movie was hassleing Walter B. a little on here.
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Yeah, I think the desire for a PG-13 rating pretty much fucks this movie, especially with a tool like McG behind the camera who, like Wiseman for Die Hard, will shoot with that PG-13 in mind. That's what fairly well kills any hope I had for this ongoing franchise. If the studio was willing to wait to see the finish product and then decide whether or not to trim or edit for the purposes of a rating, or if they had a ballsy visionary for director who was going to shoot the movie however the fuck HE wanted, without thinking of the rating, then at least there would be hope of a proper R-rated version for DVD. And not a shitty "unedited" version that was still shot with a PG-13 rating in mind.
Ultimately, though, it's all about the writing. An R-rating, or even an R-rating mindset, doesn't assure a quality movie. Let's face it, most writers and directors squander those opportunities. Instead of thinking, "This is going to be R-rated, so I can bring a sense of honesty and realism to the actions," they tend to go with the approach of a giggling Beavis and Butthead, thinking, "Heh. Heh. Cool. I can have people swear for no reason at all. Heh. Heh. Heh. Yeah, yeah, and we can include titties! Heh. Heh. Yeah, titties rock!" So, instead of a gritty, unflinchingly brutal war movie, we'd end up with a bunch of naked Terminatrix types firing huge weapons with enough recoil to make their tits jiggle all over the place while the human resistance are spouting trite dialogue like, "Holy fucking shit, man! Did you fuckin' see that shit? What the FUCK was that? Oh, fuck me!"
Ideally, the restriction of a lesser rating should push the writer(s) to develop a script that's as tight as possible and pushes the limits of the rating. Unfortunately, there just aren't many writers that talented working in Hollywood, least of all on this project. So, yeah, if they're serious about the PG-13 rating, they've just fucked themselves. -
I tried reading Stranger in a Strange land and couldn't get into it. Hienlen for some reason never appealed to me. I've heard people claim he's a Fascist too, but maybe, like the film, he's just mocking the whole concept.
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No, Heinlein is a fucking militaristic fascist. Also, fuck this movie. Mc-Fucking-G and PG-13? Bale had better drop this shit like he must have been shitting on the set of Rescue Dawn: liquid, and explosive.
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Heinlein is not a favorite of mine from that time period. Alfred Bester is the greatest science fiction writer of that period, and for my money of any period
Heinlein, does come off a jingoistic and fascitic at times, and he is not for everyones taste. But as far as the movie, I loved it. I enjoyed it from a standalone aspect, as well as the fact that it acccurately referenced the book. -
looks like ill be boycotting T4 the way i boycotted Diehard 4. it took awhile, but it looks like the pg-13 rating system is going to finally kill off good action and horror films for anyone over 30.
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Die Hard 4 did not suck. I too was reluctant to see it, but it really does work as a pg-13 movie.
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Are the douchebags responsible for this bullshit. They are producing this fucking garbage. Here's a quote from an article at Coming Soon:
The "Terminator" series is one of the highest-grossing R-rated franchises of all time, with the first three films having grossed more than $1.03 billion worldwide. "The ratings have changed," said Halcyon co-founder and co-CEO Victor Kubicek, a broker-turned-writer-producer. "The PG-13 has increased in intensity."
This guys needs to smack himself.
Aaand, even better bullshit:
"Our merchandising program will be the largest to date for 'The Terminator,' " said Halcyon co-founder and co-CEO Derek Anderson, ex-owner of ad agency In the Mix, who adds that he had not discussed the possibility of an R-rating with Warners. "We won't force it. We are carrying on in the tradition of the mythology, with an exciting approach to the action. If we can make a compelling film to reach the widest audience, why wouldn't we do it?"
"An exciting approach to the action??!!" What is Bale gonna take out Skynet with fucking firecrackers??? Jesus Christ, there's gonna be a fucking witchhunt for these two jerk offs once this crap comes out. Unreal...... -
May 05, 2008 2:57:57 PM CDT
The sarcasm in this article's title is sarcastic.
by stereotypical evil archer
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It would gross $200M easy.
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Should have stopped after 2. 3 only barely redeemed itself in its last scene, other than that, it was a fucking mess. can you guys believe harry is comic book guy? FUNNIEST. THINK. EVER.
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The good old days are over folks. action flicks are deballed like my yellow lab, and all you douchbags help the cause by paying to see this shit! no arnold, no cameron, no terminator! dont go see it!!! but you will. maybe not the people on this form. but all the assfucks that think americian idol is good music, and its ok that we cant smoke in fucking bars! fuck all this pc bullshit! but oh wait stallone made RAMBO for all of us!!! woo hoo, great flick, balls to the wall right??? to bad it only made 42 million!!!!!! and shit like meet the spartans, ghost rider and whatever other pussy fest, fuckstain michael bay, makes next with couch jumping ron l hubbard pole smokeing tom cruse....anyway what im trying to say. If RAMBO would have made some fucking dough we would have better stuff. so were stuck with PG-13 action. just like the shitty PG-13 horror flicks like....oh fuck it thay all sound the same to me.
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Okay, people...remember something likre GOLDENEYE or any of the BAAAAAD Pierce Brosnan Bond flicks.... Bond could kill as many people as he wanted so long as there was no blood. And it ended up looking cheap...like they couldn't afford squibs. All Im saying is that I want this to LOOK like a Cameron inspired balls to the wall sci-fi future war epic...not a fucking Doctor Who episode.
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two jerk-offs who have absolutely no idea of what the fuck they are doing wank off on each other trying to make money. They aren't making a movie they're making a money machine which in the end will bankrupt their stupid asses because of their own incompetency. Fuck these two assholes and fuck Fox for making that idiotic Tino TV show.
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I love how upset you nerds get when we pick apart your favorite shit movies. Its HIlarious. I mean, you do know that what you like is separate from who you are, right? You know that right? Now please do go ahead and let me know how much of a "big dumb dumb doody head" I am for admitting that T2 sucked donkey balls, and then came back and begged for seconds.
And dude, please, yes, I KNOW Star Wars is totally ridiculous and campy. But it knows this, and its still great. T2, on the other hand, wants so desperately to be taken seriously, and so completely fails in this regard that it becomes an unintentional comedy. Its inept, its ugly, its dumb, and its corny as all hell. And I as a HUGE fan of the first one, saw it in the theatres like 10 times over the summer it came out. And then T2 came and it was like, what the fuck is this shit? The Terminator is an ersatz father figure now? You have got to be fucking kidding me. It was TERRIBLE. I hated it, my girlfriend (at the time) hated it, and pretty much everyone I know hated it. But here at AICN it has achieved a legendary status that strikes me as being, well, absurd, not to mention retarded. -
The first Terminator was great, and the second was fair. This one will undoubtedly be even worse than that pile of crap T3.
Enough already with sequels galore on hit movies. They're never up to the standard of the original. This is the same for any movie franchise you can think of. What happens is that producers see $$$$$$$$ and the idea and creativity about what made an original great is lost in the mad rush for money. Ugh. -
Well put man. Pathetic how the only way Rambo could have really owen the box office was if he spent the whole movie bitch slapping the Bermese instead of spilling cuts chopping off heads like a fucking R Rated movie should be. So yeah you're right, IT IS OUR FAULTS for feeding into this goddamn garbage, because this world is made up of a bunch of goddamned robtos who go with the flow. *sigh* sad but true....
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That there even *is* a sequel is squeezing blood from a stone. You are rejecting T3, but expecting T4 to be a legitimate successor? Fact is, T2 was amazing and should have been the end of it all. The TV show gets a pass IMHO because they are able to tell an ongoing story that doesn't have to shock-and-awe in 2 hours. T4 will likely be terrible, or mediocre at best and wind up making T3 look good. The Alien(s) franchise has gone through the same thing, has it not?
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as an inspiration for your dumb assedness you're officially fucked up and done proper like. Jesus, is getting into this business so easy that two fuckin' retards like this get the Terminator franchise?
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yes PG-13 is too pussified and just quite unacceptable.
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Aiite
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who has been with franchise since it began wants to see it dragged through the PG-13, soccer mom mud, but yet, they continue to fuck the fans over.You know, the ones that actually paid enough attention to the property to keep it relevant enough for talentless mouth breathers like Derek Anderson (CEO of Halcyon) come along and rape it for all the merchandising money you can squeeze out of it.See what being loyal to an intellectual property gets you? The ONLY way to save this -- besides Bale walking off -- is for James "King of the World" Cameron to come home and snatch this potential abortion from Anderson's cold, lifeless hands and turn it over to someone who actually wants to make a movie the fans will love instead of one that has a new line of action figures and snazzy Taco Bell tie-ins...
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You didn't like T2 because Arnie was a father figure? Really? I love T1, absolutely love it, but you're seriously going to say that the escape from the mental hospital scenes weren't cinematic brilliance? Sarah Connor running for her life from the T-1000 and whipping around the corner, having a heart attack moment when she sees Arnie in front of her? That still gives me the chills every time I see it.
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im so sick of crappy hollywood...
why make a shitty knock off of a blockbuster. why not make a good original picture. if your going to make an action movie dont make a movie for kids, make it for the fuckin ppl that pay to go and see this shit...
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it blows me away how people rip on it. that flick was, is , and sadly with all the crap out there,will always be my favorite movie. It moved me, perfect blend of action, and heart. just wish James cameron would do something i give a shit about. Dont know much about avatar, but what i have read is not blowing my skirt up.
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May 05, 2008 3:24:41 PM CDT
Halcyon Circle Jerk...Starring Victor Kubicek & Derek Anderson
by riddleman1674
New Title for Terminator 4. Fuck I guess if I had millions, no godamned brain and a lifetime of talentless boredom, maybe it would be fun to skeet all over millions of fans while flipping the bird knowing it was I who brought down the Terminator!! Mwuahahaha Hey it worked for Joel Shumaker
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"Why you be buggin'?"
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regarding my first caffeine induced rant. I saw RAMBO 3 times in my own sad mission to help it make money.
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...as much as we needed to see dancing fools in Zion in The Matrix series.
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When a studio hires a director, they are hiring his or her creative vision. That means they want this person to make a movie for them. The only limitations they should give them is on budget.
When the studio interferes in other things such as story, the amount of violence it has, the bad language etc - they are taking away the director's creative freedom.
Sure, it's perfectly acceptable for the studio to say to the director "hey, we were discussing in the office and think this film needs a giant spider - you should think about putting one in the end" - fine! But if they DEMAND that giant spider then they're more than likely ruining the vision the director has for the movie. Suggestions should be made, but overall the director should have the final say in this.
Studios need to realise that if they don't like how a director is doing something they shouldn't have hired that director in the first place.
Look at films where the studio has interfered - it's never good. Even films that are much more respected now, such as Blade Runner and Alien 3, performed poorly originally and have only got their recognition when the director's inteded vision was eventually discovered.
It's pointless aiming a film where humanity is destroyed by things called Terminators at children. Children, believe it or not, actually arn't stupid and knows there should be blood and the character feels pain. Hiding that just insults their intelligence and they'll hate the film for it too.
Look at Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. They KILLED their respective franchise and are regarded as embarrassments. With this Terminator movie they may be thinking "hey we'll make a bit more money if we can get kids to go too!" but they're not looking at the bigger picture.
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And the only thing I actually do remember about that movie is the whole bullshit hoopla over the pg-13 rating and WalterB coming in here and telling us it was ballz out madness blowing 'may as well be hard R!!" all the other DieHard's away and coming closest to the original DH. That Bartleby dude is just annoying now (there was hope back in the Jeepers Creepers day plus where did his super fine sister go from that movie?!?!). Deadwood guy is alright tho I hear Hitman was ass. I get the pros and cons...how in today's movie audience you can get away with more violence and what pg-13 usually comes down too is naked flesh and the word "fuck" (or more hardcore profanity like "cocksucker") and in an action movie filmed in the modern world I think the first words to come to the lips of the average person when crazy ass shit is blowing up and the city is going apeshit isn't "SHIT!!!" or "WHAT THE...?"People go "FUCK!!!!" or "What the fuck?!?!?!" I noticed that in Cloverfield...many times I'd have gone "FUCK!!!" and "Dude, did you bang that chick?!?!?!" not "SHIT!!!" and "Did you sleep with her yet?"...what are we here...our fucking parents? Carlin is right....we made these words up and now we don't allow ourselves to say them....it's stupid. If your kid will melt if he hears the word "fuck" then you're not doing a good job preparing your kid for...you know....not getting a god damn cushy ride all thru life and never having an unpleasant moment. No boobs on the street....well...fine...ok..if it has to be that way..but for fuck's sake can't I just say FUCK without someone shitting an egg roll over how they have to explain how the mean man said the nasty word to their sheltered 'training wheels for life' kids?!?!?!? (/rant off)
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When Terminator finds himself at risk of losing his upper crust station, he terminates all of London. Rated B for Bloody Hell.
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Behold !
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6291/t4kittyrz4.jpg
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But, nah, the whole thing. Just bad. And I never really bought she was a badass. Not like Ripley, and certainly nothing like The Bride (the ultimate chick bad ass). And geez, when they meet up with the Sarah's old pals and she speaks in that faltering spanish? Fuckin' HILARIOUSLY awful. Like cringe-inducing. She's so over the top about it, that its just hard to watch without laughing, because its supposed to be SO GRIM AND SERIOUS, but comes off more cornball. And the ludicrously overwrought musings of Butch Sarah? Just bad. Bad because it wanted so bad to be serious, that it comes off as comical. And don't even get me stared on RoboDaddy, or how unbelievably UNCOOL John "Bitchy Teen Twink" Connor was in the movie. JC was a much cooler character in T3. I did like the elements where Robodaddy would blow and/or punch holes in Mercury Man's inegrity. But, you know, whatevs. The whole bathroom throwdown in T3 is way cooler in terms of delivering the goods. Call it a money grab (it was) call it what you will, I thought T3, being more upfront about the campy comedy aspects (resizable roboboobs? yes!), AND delivering asskicking action scenes was much more effective for me. AND it had a way darker ending. T3 is better. Sorry. I mean, of course, T1 is the only classic. Its really the only that should have been made. I mean, even with dated effects, its just a cool, well done story. And mostly it holds up. The cheesiness of the efx makes it almost more enjoyable for me as a nostalgia object. I wonder how long it will be before Cameron pulls a Lucas and digitals that all up?
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Avoid at all costs. I'd rather watch T2 than that dreck again. I spit on the French. *SPIT*
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Even if T4 was R it would never match Cameron. Just look at the opening diner scene in T2 when Arnie walks in nude and takes everyone on. That's an R scene, no mistake. But filmmakers get into their head that R means too hard and gritty for a general audience to like anymore. Well Cameron's T2 contained PLENTY for a general audience. It was an all-round fucking great movie from start to finish, you get that feeling watching it.
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Batman Forever was a perfect example of the sheer fucking idiocy and ingnorance of the studios. By all means just a horrible HORRIBLE movie. Bat suit nipples, Multi Colored Neon, bad BAD acting, terrible script and story, pointless one liners and humor, etc etc yet somehow it made money. Enough to to merit rushing another garbage sequel that was loaded with even more of that same element. All because they thought that was what the people wanted. Fantastic Four kinda followed that same route. And this in their ignorance, killed off the frnachise and began a decade long finger pointing session
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Giant man-feet and behemoth man-hands and that ostrich like profile? Plus people tore up the Matrix crew (Reeves, Fishburn, Moss, Weaving) for shitty skills even with a great FC (Woo Ping). Well...Ping was on Kill Bill and pretty muc every scene Uma was in was cringe-inducing cheese except for the fight with the asian schoolgirl with the spikey ball on a chain...which was dumb for different reasons.You bring up a great point and something sorely lacking in modern action movies and that is the baddass female protagonist. And I agree with some of the critiques over Hamilton...unfortunately, she's not that great of an actor (self-aware throughout filming for the most part) but I think she pulls it off. Nothing touches Ripley of course...Sigourney is pure female baddass without a hint of masculinity (Hamilton's problem somewhat...she was a little "man-like"). I think Beckinsale kicked serious ass without being man-like in Underworld altho I know most TB'ers hated it...but the Bride was supposed to be the most dangerous woman on the planet. To me it looked like what it was...a dainty and mostly mediocre physical shape Uma Thurman doing the best she can do with zero martial training and no serious work off screen. I could be wrong on her training in which case she's pathetically uncoordinated cause her "most deadly woman on the planet" looked more like Uma pretending to be some 70's exploitation bullshit movie. Of course...I've haven't been on the "OMFG Uma is the hottest woman EVER!!!" bandwagon since Baron Munchausen but I digress.
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Yeesh, that's a bit harsh. La Vie en Rose was a great flick so don't crap on EVERYTHING the French do. After all, they were right for telling us to F-OFF when we tried to involve them in an illegal invasion. They just went about it the wrong way.
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A bit long, they should have transplanted her brain into a cyborg. LA VIE EN OPTRONICS!!!
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This is probably most true of Arnold Schwarzenegger's R-rated action movies, but I remember when Commando, Total Recall, or The Running Man would come on regular television...we watched for a few minutes and turned it off because all the "good parts" had been cut out. Those movies were guilty pleasures, not high art, with Commando being a near farce of itself. Sure, Totall Recall and The Running Man had some very interesting themes...but they are still shoot'em up movies that lack watchability without all the insane gore. And it's not always about the gore either. It's about the vulgarity too. What's the bar scene in Total Recall like without seeing the 3-titted woman? I guess if they remade Total Recall as PG-13 pap, they could still have the 3-titted woman, but she would be wearing a custom, 3-titted, bikini top. My point is that those movies are hurt badly when you remove the R-rated material. Would AVP-Requiem have sucked less if it was PG-13 too? No, it would be even worse because the frequent gory deaths were the only watchable parts. Sadly, John McTiernan (he didn't just direct the original Die Hard, but he also directed the original Predator) wasn't available to do AVP-R because of his legal woes. But what were we supposed to do?...go see AVP-R even though everyone said it SUCT (it does) just to support R-rated cinema? Hell no. But to "The Suits", AVP-R is a big reason NOT to produce R-rated action, scifi, or horror. But why are teens flocking to mega-turds like the Prom Night remake? I guess MySpace and Facebook were down during Prom Night's opening weekend. Or maybe it's because it was the only movie that appealed to their demographic that theaters would allow them to see that weekend. That goes for all those creepy but not scary PG-13 Japanese horror remakes too. The kids are going to see what is available. AVP and AVP-R were both missing 3 big things from their respective franchises. The first 2 missing items were their stars. No Sigourney Weaver and no Arnold Schwarzenegger. The 3rd missing element was a compelling, original story. But what are you gonna do when your stars are old, and you're re-hashing the same monster stories? The first time around, audiences were curious as to what would happen if Aliens met Predators. AVP suct, but it made money. The second time around, audiences were no longer curious as to what would happen when Aliens met Predators, and when they heard the words "sucks even more than the first one", it was all over for that movie's box office. If you can't squeeze anymore juice out of an aging star because they're wrinkled, or they're Governor, or both...stick to the R-rated material, write a GOOD story, or dare I say it...create a new franchise! Abandon the sequels of an aged franchise, and be original. There's a reason why "The Suits" that came before you stopped making sequels to that franchise. It was done. Disney movies should have family-fun magic. Porno movies should have hardcore fucking and bad acting. (Close your eyes and just imagine a PG-13 porno movie.) And Sci-Fi Action movies should have gore and vulgarity! We miss you AHNULD! :( P.S.I miss Arnold so much that I bought Raw Deal on DVD for $3 at Kmart. There's a good example of missing 1 of your 3 elements for a successful action movie. They had the star and the violence, but had an awful story that wasn't so bad it was good like Commando...it was so bad, it was terrible.I still like the "SHIT" cake scene.
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Say "You'll be back." on those California tourism commercials. hehe!
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"not in the face, not in the face"
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And a horrible Governor. It wouldn't surprise me if after his term, Geico hire's him to replace those fucking gawdawful Cavemen haha
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if it's PG-13. Don't get me wrong, PG-13 movies have their place, but not in the Terminator franchise. Cobra-Kai if you're out there, c'mon let's here it. You know what you need to say.
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Idiot.
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It's a nice place. And Nebraska has the best Republican senator around in Chuck Hagel. Go Cornhuskers!!!
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This is fanboy stupid. I Need da violence! It can't be PG-13! WRONG! Depends how the movie is made, noobs! If OG star wars came out today, and you were told a PG sci trilogy was comming out, you dumbasses would say it sucks.....nutless noobs....
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It the brains of the fuckers who run Halcyon...The Terminator Franchise Antichrist
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is the biggest mommas boy "I live in mommas house" turd on this talkback...ya know he's got a jar of vasoline next to his bed
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Oh the small cranium ye seem to be displaying my friend. If it's Nebraska you hate, I'm all with you on that. I happen to reside in California and if you'd really like to discuss Arnold's political bumblings, i dont think we'd have enough talkback space for that haha. Maybe just stick to Box Office? That's about all he's ever been good at.....
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is another ED commercial reject that's"hoping for a normal life", but 700 anal only porno DVD ain't helping his social life, but, at a troll in momma's basmnet, what could?
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Hate is such a strong word. So I must retract some. Before pissing off alot of rabid Cornhuskers, I'm sure Nebraska does have some redeeming qualities, but I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want to live somewhere that's flatter than Keira Knightly's chest lol that was bad....
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This is an actual death threat. I am serious. If anybody has any conscience at all, they would warn the police. I AM GOING TO KILL MCG and MICHAEL BAY. I AM GOING TO KIDNAP THEM, RAPE THEM, AND SET THEM ON FIRE. NOT NECESSARILY IN THAT ORDER, EITHER. I AM WILLING TO RAPE A FLAMING CORPSE. DIE MCG! DIE MICHAEL BAY!
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Understands his value in the talkbacks, 0, and has no life of his own, his romantic realationship with bringingback sexy not withstanding, his views are a chuckle to others but no real points, check ya shorts boys, I think a heard something wet
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You have the best screen name in town.
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He's reading a copy of Bubble Butt Boys, he can't type with all da KY on his hands
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Haha, yeah the Governator thing got old real quick. It's just a shame that the only reason he is sitting in that office getting fat off of people's misery is because of his fame and the irony is that some of these people that are being fucked over are the same people that voted him in. Granted that is the basic song and dance that goes with most of these bastards who will say or promise anything to get elected and then show their true colors after. Pathetic but it's an ongoing vicious cycle.
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He figures the no gun rule worked so well in Charlies Angels that he is implementing it in T4 too. John Connor will take on Skynet baseball bats and witty dialog (clensed of any bad words mind you).
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Needs a life, and his positions on these talkback are like the waterboy at the big game...ya he's heard, but everyone knows he is the loser that couldn't make da team....TERMINATOR SALVATION has the potental to become better than terminator and 3 but not 2, never
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Cross T4 off my must see list.
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May 05, 2008 5:46:50 PM CDT
THE PG-13 IS THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE ACTION /
by burgertime
It's given producers the option of making films that are just slightly harder than children's material, but not hard enough to satisfy the serious adult audience. Too bad I won't be seeing this in the theatre.
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If they make this a PG-13 affair, forget it. This should be a violent movie -- plain and simple. I know it's all about money, but if you can't do this Arnold-less movie right, don't do it at all.
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T O T A L R E C A L LWe'll NEVER get anything like that again in the near future.Sad.
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Both have one thing in common, no matter how badly people are getting (or will be) fucked in the ass by both, the common civilian robot who believes that this is "just the way it is" will still pay the money. Hence the oil tycoons & corporate studio morons will still continue to prevail.
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From what I read, the rating is the least of my worries. Granted, I read a draft last summer, and I've heard it's been changed a tad. But I fear not enough...
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Would I have preferred the theatrical cut of Die Hard 4 to have been R? Of course. Would I rather see an R-rated T4 than a PG-13 T4? No doubt. But will a PG-13 rating prevent me from enjoying a big-budget, slickly made piece of sci-fi candy? Not unless I'm a joyless, self-righteous film snob who insists that films be made for me, and only me. I've read a few posts here from people who say they boycotted Die Hard 4 over the PG-13 rating. Really. As the execs at Fox count their money, I'm sure they're distraught by the fact that Joe Asshole denied them his $10. The Terminator films are a franchise; franchises are not high art; franchises exist to make money; if they ceased to make money, they would cease to be a franchise; decisions made with respect to franchise films are always made with foremost concern for the bottom line. Cool PG-13 films are made all the time. Iron Man is a cool PG-13 film. The Dark Knight, the new trailer for which is making everyone orgasm, will be a cool PG-13 film. But wait, you say: this is a TERMINATOR film, and the rules are different for TERMINATOR films! Well, no, they aren't, and if that offends your ideal of what the Terminator series is all about, no one will miss you next summer during your boycott as you watch T2 for the 400th time and bemoan those Hollywood bastards for raping your childhood. This constant carping for a "hard R" is boring. Everyone here knows that PG-13 is where the money is, so why should this decision come as the slightest surprise? From the day that this project was announced, the producers made it clear that this was the first installment of a new series of films that would exist in a new creative universe. The Cameron (Mostow)/Schwarzenegger films were R; the McG/Bale films are PG-13. I'm an unapologetic lover of well-made, big-budget entertainment spectacles. If it was up to me, Jerry Bruckheimer would be receiving the Irving Thalberg award in the near future. T4's going to bad because we won't get a visceral shot of someone's head being blown off? Money shots like that weren't enough to save AVP:R, so why are so many people talking about an R rating as though it's an automatic indicator of quality? If McG truly is a hack, then this movie will be terrible regardless of its rating. If the script is solid and McG handles the action well, then this will be perfectly entertaining as a PG-13 film. Why not root for the success of this project rather than denounce it as a failure before we've seen a single frame of it? It's escapism folks, it's supposed to be fun.
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Alright, that was too long, apparently I feel strongly about this. Someone has to stick up for the suits, I suppose.
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The T-1000 can't call for John because he is malfunctioning after being smothered in liquid nitrogen. Do try to keep up old boy.
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Fucking jesus, you remember Patrick plugging the security guard in the forehead with his finger? Or snuffing the dad while he was chugging some milk? Or Linda Hamilton with a syringe crammed in whatshisname's neck? or when she is trying to murder that guy and he is all bloody in front of his kid? Or when she is getting pinned through the shoulders at the end? R rated.
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This flaming turd is gonna make you wanna watch "Freddy Got Fingered" in order to take the taste of shit out of your mouth. My God, what the hell is happening to Hollywood? The T series is fucking awesome, why the fuck would they wanna soil their rep by shitting out a bowl of mierda' like this? Whoever is in charge of what happens over there in T-town should grow some balls and stop listening to the fags in marketing, and get back on the road and make us a blood-drenched, violent-ass, post-apocalyptic nightmare like what we have been dreaming and waiting for. God-dammit, I need a drink...
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I'm totally serious. Fathers and sons, sons and daughters, going to an R-Rated film together is a unique and all too often missed family experience. If it gets too scary, you're there for your kid, and you can talk about it afterward. There are endless discussions about morality, violence in the media, and other "adult" issues that can stem from seeing an R-Rated movie with your child. Then R-Rated movies will make more money and we won't have to suffer watered down versions of "Die Hard" and "Terminator."
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Jokes aside, I actually fully agree with Gozu. Just don't take them to torture porn. That's just wrong.
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How about "why just launch 3 tie fighters to fight the X-wing fighters instead of a swarm of 200 tie fighters?"
Yes the whole is greater than the sum of its parts and Star Wars is one of the best movies ever, especially when you see it for the first time as a 10 year old. And T2 is one of the best films of the 90s. -
now thats so lame ffs
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This movie will suck! James why???????????????????????
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This decision have just shot dead any perspective of this movie being any interesting.
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Just end it already before it comes to titles like Alien vs. Predator and Terminator vs. Ang Lee's gay Hulk, that kind of taint the original films.
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and jackhole studio execs
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I have to say the future savior of the free world being Claire Dane's bitch for most of T3 was spectacular. I hope they continue it in T4. I already have the dialog dancing around in my head:
"Honey, Joe just called and he and the guys are going to bring down Skynet tonight."
"But John, you promised to stay home and watch '27 Dresses' with me."
"But hon, I never get to blow up Skynet."
"Skynet will be there tomorrow night and you can have your fun because me and the girls are going out tomorrow."
"But..."
"You love those Terminators more than me..."
"Alright I'll stay home."
T3 sucked because they neutered John Connor along with bringing back Arnold for no apparent reason other than to make Arnold another $20 million.
It was already explained in another thread why the T-1000 couldn't replicate Sarah's voice. The liquid nitrogen had damaged the T-1000. It was clearer in the director's cut, but pretty clear in the origal theatrical version too. -
Juat sayin. WORRY MORE THAT THE STORY IS A GOOD ONE.
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Except now they're just fucking everything up with their eyes open. And it's fuckin' Terminator!!!
I'd like to respond to the posters that say we should just accept the changes and wait and see. I say FUCK THAT!!! We make & break motherfuckin' careers here at AICN which is why the studios and the press get pissed when we talk shit about shit movies before they're released here (I'm looking at YOU not-so-fantastic four and your lame excuse for a Galactus, a fuckin' cloud and an inept director).
Who do you think helped jumpstarted Bale's career? Shit we practically casted him in Batman Begins after seeing his potential for action in Equilibrium. They would have casted some other flavor of the month two-bit actor had we not stepped up to give him the geek blessing and now his career has skyrocketed.
Then you got people like Bret Ratner who now have trouble finding movies to fuck up with his (lack of) directing skill. Hell, even McG was a miracle because he somehow got handed Terminator behind our backs cause he was on his way out of Hollywood for the awful TV series he produced and the even shittier movies he made. Fucking Michael Bay pulled a mediocre Transformers out of his ass but because enough idiots paid to see it, he gets another shot at the chagrin of true Transformers fans but I can almost guarantee the next film will be all out awful and will not even be recognizable to anyone as Transformers. Then we got another shit director fucking up GI-Joe. I think the costume pics just killed any good will the movie might have had after they showed Snake Eyes and Larry Hama was announced as working on the film. Now it just doesn't matter because the Joes all look like the Matrix and Xmen had a baby. In otherwords, just plain BAD. I forsee that this movie will bomb as well after the utter disrespect the've shown. Whether any of these fools get work after the debacles they're directing remains to be seen but I can say that Talkbackers will be watching with baited breath to put these idiots out of work with some scathing negative reviews and witty banter. -
OK I never thought this was an issue, but TVguy echos... why does this keep getting brought up? It's answered in the director's cut and even without that explanation, the T-1000 doesn't say that he CAN'T replicate her voice ( which he later does ) he just DOESN'T. Looks to me like he was just exerting his control over her... torturing her because he CAN.
Some people ( like laserPants ) please stop looking for flaws. it's silly.... you can always take things to the extreme:
The T-1000 also likely possesses sufficient knowledge to build an atomic bomb. Why not avoid conflict with Sarah altogether, just spend some quality time impersonating a nuclear physicist, collect all the necessary parts over a period of years, make sure John Conner is still in the city, and detonate it?
Why not go back further in time and Kill Sarah Conner when she's 10 years old?
Why not go back only a few months in time and Kill John Conner when he's in some known location in the future?
Why not go back in time to the 80's and kill the power to the cyberdyne building so that Sarah can't crush Arnie in T-1?
Why not go back in time and morph into a banana peel that Reese slips on as soon as he warps in in the alley way and break his neck and dies?
Oh yeah, because none of those would make a good movie.
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I don't think Live Free and Die Hard sucked because of a PG-13 rating. I think it sucked because it betrayed an iconic character and was nothing more than a generic action movie.
I hate the fact that no one has the balls to make R-rated movies anymore, but making a movie an R-Rating doesn't overcome a bad script.
I think a PG-13 rating will stop T4 from being everything it can be, but a good script and good acting can overcome the loss of violence and lanuage. -
Sure they didn't come out at the time the movies were out, but they existed! What has happened here, when did the PTA take over kick ass action franchises? It's not like they actually have values here, they're not saving anyone from immoral imagery, someone has just convinced them this is somehow more lucrative. If they believe this shit, then I have a bridge to sell them.
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I agree. If the worst complaint about a movie is one minor continuity error that is pretty well inferred why it would happen and would have been outright explained if they didn't cut down the movie for time sake, then the movie is doing pretty well. This seems to be LaserPants biggest issue with movie (since he constantly brings it up) and both scenes took up a combined minute of a 2 1/2 hour movie.
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Vern's gonna love it.
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Who the Hell didn't notice that?! Honestly, I saw it approximately inside the first twenty seconds. Everything after that was pure gold. A decade on it still stuns me how many supposedly intelligent viewers utterly fail to grasp this movie. Every year it just gets more and more relevant. My love for it will never die. Verhoeven rocks. Y'all WISH the wacky, naughty Dutchman would make a hardcore Terminator movie! I think a brain bug's been inside the melons of a few Hollywood suits judging by the sounds of this...
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In cut scenes he was merging with the things he touched. The real Sarah Connor was the logical choice. Besides, he tried the voice thing with John's step mother and it didn't work. He'd have no reason to know why,Even when they release the "SE" addition DVD with the language and a little violence thrown in, it was still filmed with a PG-13 mentality. It never works.
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These Hollywood people really think we can't live without their movies, don't they?
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The 'living in mother's basement' gambit. Coupled with the 'Dannygloverdickblood is your lover' gambit. So clever. I feel so annihilated, I'm at a loss for words. You're the best!
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That rating sucks, but trust The Bale! All is good with Bale!
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GEDD DOO DA DAVID'S BRIDAL NEEOOWWW!!!
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Let me see, Bush becomes President and all of our favorite hardcore movies turn PG13. And WHO is making the movies with drugs and pussy and violence??? THE LIBERALS BITCHES!!! With the honored exception of action god Sly Stallone with Rambo. If you vote Liberal then you get war and blood and guts and tits and ass and drugs and freedom in the movies... or vote Conservative and you get PG13 movies, a president who's bedtime is 8pm and an endless war and an economy in recession. Yeah, yeah, Hillary is as conservative as it gets when it comes to sex and drugs and violence, but look who's she's married to and you see that someone had to be strait laced in that fucked up family. And she's not liberal anyway. Vote OBAMA Vote for Violence and Sex in movies!!!
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Don't forget yo mama on Mutha's Day.
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Superman IV...Lethal Weapon 4...Live Free or Die Hard...Nightmare on Elm Street 4...Alien Resurrection...Batman & Robin...Rambo IV...SAW IV... Ok, I change my mind. There are no good 4th films in sequel history (except maybe for Star Trek IV) thus, this film is doomed.
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terminator 3 was a piece of shit albeit, but this is a new low for the franchise. I don't understand movie audiences these days, do guys not have balls anymore? who the fuck wants to see a pg 13 rated terminator movie? Anyone who grew up in the 80's knows how gay this is, but apparently 18-25 year olds these days think otherwise. This is the only reasoning i can come up with for why these shitty movies are continuously being made these days. Kudos to stallone for trying to make everyone remember how hardcore action movies are supposed to be made with the new rambo, but apparently the pussyness has spread too far throughout our society to change at this point.
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Outta here.
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straight up
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those fuckwits don't have the sense to leave a franchise alone do they?and let alone a PG 13 rating?if that's the case, I'd rather watch TTSCC on FOX than pay $11.00 to see this shit!
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I understand your argument and agree in part. The issue is you say "The Terminator is a franchise" - franchises don't get to be franchises unless the fundamental starting product/products are of value. If Terminator 3 replaced Terminator 1 as a movie, then it's questionable whether it would have spawned any sequels on its own merit. If this argument is furthered, how much longer can the franchise continue on the goodwill of T1 and T2 alone?
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Stays in Skynet
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I just BLEW YOUR MINDS!!! I bet you had no idea until I told you. NO IDEA!!! GED DOO DAH CHAHPPAH!!! DOO EEED NOW!!!
Btw, T2 STILL SUCKS. -
maybe it's coz I was around 10 when I saw Terminator - the original and best - but you know there are "R" rated films and there a "R" rated films...
I guess that's why people use the term "hard-R rating" coz films like Terminator were not in the least bit disturbing and, seriously, there was not a single swear-word or "adult" concept that wasn't commonplace on the playground (ok there wasn't any fucking going on but it's not like anybody was ignorant about the birds and the bees) - but then films like Halloween or Evil Dead - I couldn't get all the way through Evil Dead!
There's a certain kind of film that can be PG-13 (Raiders springs instantly to mind) no problems and we don't even NEED them to be gritty or "realistic" or whatever - and I think McG is not a bad fit for that kind of film, really.
Popcorn flicks! No danger of CHOKING on your popcorn watching a stake go through someone's eye or something.
Then there are films that SHOULD be "R" rated. I remember the guy who shot the scene in Alien when the little critter came out of Kane's stomach - he was THERE, working with practical effects and a camera and it STILL made him throw up!
Die Hard 4 is a perfect case in point. You can't take on KIND of film and try to make it into another KIND of film and expect it to work.
Square peg. Round hole.
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Too much is made of the age rating. So what it isn't going to be as gory as hostel, it doesn't need to be.
T3 was an R rated film, it was also one ofthe worst films I've ever seen. -
as is alot of the people who work for the site and post here. oh no a black guy who happened to a be a rapper got cast in a movie. god forbid he might actually be good, but lets just throw ALL of these black rappers into one box with 50 cent as horrible actors. threfore, the project will suck because of his involment! way to go guys, you really do show how open minded and intelligent you are! bigoted morons.
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GET TO DA CHOPPA!
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This will be the best Terminator of them all!
I'm just bustin your chops, WalterB -
I would be just as offened if they had casted Justin Timberlake in a major franchise film.His scene in Alpha Dog was forgettable unlike Ben Foster's role as the older brother.Not all rappers are bad actors, shit look at Will Smith, Queen Latifah and Mos Def. Common has potentual although Smoking Aces as garbage.50 Cent should NEVER do another movie again, much less videogames!by the way, Samuel (Nick Fury)Jackson never approved of rappers transcending to actors, as he wen't to acting school to hone his craft, unlike most Rappers.
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Nuff said. PG-13 horror and sci-fi suck.
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Love, Cobra Kai. Sorry brotha, had to steal your line. It needed to be said and you weren't around.
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I think Flamingo Kid (with Matt Dillon) was first given the PG13 rating, but yes, Red Dawn was the first PG13 movie to hit screens, and that's where I saw it, and loved it.
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All I can say is Red Dawn hit the screens first. If it's tough enough to make C. Thomas Howell a badass you know it's awesome. I saw it big screen too, so of course we're dating ourselves.
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It was cool. And for months after I sat at school gazing absently out the classroom window, searching for the telltale parachutes of an enemy invasion. Sigh...
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Cos they are the only ones who pay to see movies anymore cos they got fuck all else to do. Every other fuckwit just rinses the net for movies.
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Who knows, maybe the writers wrote a not so violent script? It is possible to have action without a shitload of gore. Besides, it isn't excessive violence the made the first two flicks what most of you call "Sci-fi masterpieces" is it? There will probably be a few "fucks" tossed around as there are in MANY PG-13 films nowadays, as well as some blood and explosions. Just not as graphic as the first two. Big deal. I'm more worried about the story/direction and I fail to see how the rating has any bearing on that.
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of various American foreign policy disasters specifically, and fascism in general from Hitler on up to Dubya. Its on par with RoboCop, if not better.
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don't fucking pay money to see pg-13 shit.
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Lock him up please.
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