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Indiana Jones & The Glorious Quicktime Trailer - Now in HD!
Hey folks, Harry here... Over at IndianaJones.Com - we have the debut, in Quicktime HD - of the trailer you probably saw on IRON MAN this weekend. The trailer hints at some cool stuff... apparently in the temple of the crystal skull - it is guarded by the living dead. That's cool. There also seems to be some sort of underground testing facility - and man... how much do you love that WILD ONE homage that Steven did with Shia? Yeah? It makes me a tad nervous too. At least he doesn't have the trophy tied to the light. Anyway - here ya go - in 720p happy perfection...
Click to see more of the Adventure!
For those of you that are unfamiliar with THE WILD ONE - I'll include its trailer so you can understand the "homage" that Spielberg and Lucas have for Mutt...
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I feel like I should feel more excited about this one.
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Yeahhhhhhhh.
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Nooooooooo.
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looks good to me, and further proof that Ford is ALIVE. This and the last TV spot with his glad to help line makes me confident. For me thats what this film rests on - Fords ability to play the character as we remember him, rather than the Ford we know from Firewall, K-19 etc.
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Knowing relatively little and not having seen every cool scene in it.
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Saw it with Iron Man last night (go see it, outstanding movie), and it was a much better cut than previous trailers and movie spots. Can't wait! :D
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I don't think the editing of the trailer is all that great...but it looks like an Indiana Jones movie, and it looks like it's going to be a lot of fun!
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too bright or something
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This one definitely got me more psyched up for late May. Though not having Iron Man to look forward to anymore probably factors in there too. Is it me or does this summer already own the shit out of last summer?
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With every major publication predicting that Indy IV is going to rule the box office it seems all the Indy/Ford bashers have gone into hiding. I hope all the fanboys out there understand that even at 65 Harrison Ford would still kick their ass.
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This trailer actually gave me goosebumps.
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http://www.indianajones.com/site/ij4-hidef-720.php?tourPath=http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/indianajones/trlr2/Indy_KOTCS_Trailer2_1080p.movRemove the space.
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Anybody want to bet otherwise?
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That trailer is half and half. Ford's delivery is kinda spotty, the action in certain shots looks cool and then in others it looks terrible and overall the timing seems off. Cate Blanchett also appears out of place. I don't buy her a a villain in this unless they are going completely for camp. Keep in mind that in every Indy film before this one there was a real sense of dread to the proceedings...That seems absent from this trailer. I will definitely see this in the theater because I am too curious...But I'm a bit worried when the most convincing acting in the trailer is coming from Shia Labeouf. They should have done an Indiana Jones film years ago. This is all about Spielberg trying to make a quick buck.
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Looks good... but not really good. All those shots of the temple rearranging itself with moving cogs and such like kind of reminds me a little too much of the TOMB RAIDER and ALIEN VS PREDATOR movies. Hopefully it'll all come together, with not only great stunts and visuals but an engaging storyline and character development too. Here's hoping!
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Just my prediction, just to get it on record.
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that this won't be THE event movie this year. Lucas might have a bad track record with a couple of the prequels, but Spielberg is clearly in charge of this, and he's not going to let us down.
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it does look good. Nothing will ever out do Raiders. That was absolute perfection...back when there was still a kind of magic in Hollywood. I've seen Raiders about a million times. Yet, every time it's on T.V. I can sit and watch the entire movie and be completely entertained.
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While I'm not that stoked about this trailer this movie is going to GOBS AND GOBS OF MOOLAH when it comes out. 400 million worldwide is my prediction. If the sequel to POTC can make over 300 mil then you better believe Indy is going to rake in tons of cash for all concerned. Its probably going to be a sizeable dissapointment as a film but it will have a tremendous box office profit. No question about it.
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Anyway, the trailer looks great!
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Remember the trailers of old? Kind of like that, how they seemed to just show fairly random stuff.
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I can't believe how many of you on these boards could watch that trailer and think its going to amazing. That opening voice over Ford does sounded really off. But what should I expect from boards that constantly talk about how Spiderman 2 is the best comic book movie ever made.
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...Transformers (not Indy 4) was all about Spielberg making a quick buck. I hardly call an almost TWO DECADE development process "trying to make a quick buck"... Plus Spielberg has enough cash to collectively buy almost every person that visits this website... That's not to say the man won't ever direct or develop another film primarily because of it is commercial potential... I just don't think you can ascribe THAT particular cynical feeling to Indy 4.
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Raiders is indeed a masterpiece. Possibly the greatest adventure film ever made. Doom is pretty juvenile (great when I was a kid) doesn't hold up now. Crusade is pretty tight with Indy's back and forth with his father and the grail stuff works a whole lot better than it should. But I sort of look at this new Indy trailer and it makes me think of the difference between Lethal Weapon 1 and LW 4. And there is a HUGE difference. Same characters we love...But more than a bit off and far too silly for its own good. Worth seeing for all us 80's nuts...Certainly. But its definitely going to have problems.
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Worldwide B.O. is a different story ... I meant it won't break $200 million domestic. If this is in any way a mediocre movie, the fan base isn't enough to push it into the financial stratosphere, and today's kids could give a shit less about Indiana Jones-- they grew up inundated with stuff that swiped and expanded on the best things in movies like Raiders, rendering them into cliches in the process. I don't believe for a second that this will make the kind of money that either of the Pirates sequels pulled down. With Pirates, the youth demographic wanted to see Johnny Depp in his freaky-cool costumes, delivering that performance, with a ton of awesome special effects surrounding him. That attraction isn't there for Indy. After I saw 'Dead Man's Chest' on opening day, I predicted it would make $400 million domestic; and when I saw 'Superman Returns' I said it would stall just shy of $200 million. I don't have much faith in my predictions before I get a chance to actually see the movie, but nothing I've seen indicates that Indy IV is going to be this massive hit that all the old fans are hoping for. Nobody in the theater cheered this trailer when I saw Iron Man.
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er, considering War Of The Worlds made, what, 550-600 million worldwide, I think it's safe to say Indy is looking at 600 minimum.
As a side note, the older I get the more I'm starting to hate talkbackers. I'm starting to really hate the morons that actually bother to log in to say something like "I'm not that excited about this".. OH REALLY? FUCK, ALERT THE MEDIA, YOU'RE "NOT THAT STOKED", THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR ENLIGHTENING US. Cock. -
Someone said it earlier: the timing just seems off, and the dialogue feels forced. I'm huge fan of the first 3 films, but I'm expecting this one to disappoint.
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I totally agree. Raiders was just on TV here in Australia the other night. I had Raiders on VHS, then Laserdisc and now DVD, but I still couldn't resist a peek.
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I'll grant you that Transformers was another quick buck for Spielberg as well but so is this one. FYI - I work in the film industry and I can tell you for a fact that the reason Indy took so long to get off the ground had more to do with Lucas than Steven. GL (to his credit) after how badly Phantom Menace got panned wanted to be really careful about the script. He held up this production getting made. There were several drafts of the script that SS liked and the GL wouldn't greenlight. Shamalyan and Darabont's drafts come to mind. This was not a question of Spielberg wanting to make Indy is good as it could be...It was about Lucas not wanting to piss of the fans.
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Why is it somehow better to log on and say "I'm excited about this" than to say "I'm not excited about this"? These forums exist to REGISTER YOUR OPINION, good and bad.
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Thanks for catching up!
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yeah you're right of course, but there just seems to be a certain kind of talkbacker these days who refuses to be impressed by ANYTHING, they are probably about 14 and on a mission to damn everything with faint praise at best. I think what it boils down to is that if someone ISN'T excited about a new Indy film, then I basically hate them with the burning intensity of a thousand suns.
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Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I'm not going to insult you and call you a "cock" like you did to me...Just because we disagree. I thought this was an open board...Or is just supposed to be a marketing tool?
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My eyes...
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Want to see now
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May 03, 2008 10:27:02 AM CDT
This was in front of IRON MAN when we saw it on Thursday night..
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...and it got a really anemic reaction. From the people there to see a geeky action movie. Really sad. I certainly hope it'll be good, but I can't be certain.
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I would also add that one "event" movie I am extremely excited about this summer is Dark Knight. The trailers for that film and its marketing campaign make me feel Spielberg's films in the 80's made me feel.
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I agree about a certain type of talkbacker. I don't make a habit of criticizing stuff for the sake of trying to strike a pose. In some ways, I'm trying to figure out why I'm NOT more excited about this. You know, when I first learned of this movie, I was pumped. Of course I love the original trilogy, but the more I've seen and the more I've thought about it... my enthusiasm's waned. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's because every time I see Shia anywhere in the movie I shiver with disgust. Or maybe it's that none of the action scenes look that fresh, given the advances in special effects and the increased ambitions of action set-pieces in the two decades since 'Last Crusade.' It's just come to seem like things we've all seen before, and done better, when the actors were younger and didn't have to share the stage with so many side characters. I don't know what it is, really. I assure you I WANT to be excited, but the more they've shown, the less I am.
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...is that he's not nearly as tough or cool as he thinks he is. He comes riding in acting like Brando and then gets constantly schooled by square old Indy. It's a thought.
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I was actually calling the fictional talkbacker in my head who is never impressed by anything a "cock"... or indeed the person that posted first on this thread. But either way I'm probably being a bit unfair, and exaggerating for comic effect!
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Same thing happened at my theater. A packed house full of people stoked to see Iron Man-- should have been filled with Crystal Skull's target audience. But not a peep during or after the Indy trailer. Nobody cared.
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And people have been going nuts for Dark Knight in the Iron Man screenings.
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and I'm one of them.
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My feeling is either way that the boards should in many respects be a way for fans/film buffs ect to let the studios know what there honest reactions are to the films they are putting out. If we're not honest about our opinions then they will keep putting out shit. That is not to say Indy will suck...It could wind up being a great film and I'll have to eat my words. But I strongly believe that it can be very helpful for the studios, filmmakers and people developing projects in the industry to know where the fans stand on these things. Movies nowadays are getting ridiculously expensive unfortunately while our soldiers in Iraq are dying without having the proper gear and armor. If a studio is going to spend some obscene amount of money (100 million dollars or more as is becoming common practice) then I want to see every fucking penny on screen!
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May 03, 2008 10:40:25 AM CDT
the funny thing is I haven't watched any of the trailers
by captain katanga
I am such a rabid Indy fan (one with impressive willpower), that I'm not watching any of the trailers. I just want to sit down in the theatre, have the lights go down, and watch a new Indy film. I have no idea what the action is like. In broad terms, the reason I like Last Crusade the least (even though I still love it) is that it too often feels like an all out comedy. That's my biggest hope for this film, that its not a comedy. If its as good as Temple of Doom, I'll be happy. A friend of mine, who is just as Indy-obsessed as me, and feels the same way about the first three, emerged from this trailer very, very happy... so I'm crossing my fingers.
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I agree with some of the things on your earlier posta about the overal feel of the trailer. I saw all three of these movies in the theater when they came out and i will still break out one of them on dvd occasionaly. I understand everything Spielberg was trying to do here with the new installament but I know that underneath my anxiousness to see this there is a little reserve. The trailer is a bit flat and lacks a certain punch for some reason and I have a hard time seeing tweens or yung un's getting excited about this movie. At the same time I know it was made for the fans who were there. BUt I was there and I also having feelings of reserve about it. I'm hoping it rawks though.
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Fair enough. I applaud your willpower. I on the other hand am generally a sucker when it comes to trailers. I can't help but watch.
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...being a blatant ripoff of Marlon Brando's in the Wild One. Call him a poser or whatever the term for one back in the Fifties was.I loved the speed of the jungle chase and that they used actual film of the waterfall locations and didn't just CG it.
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...the trailer looks a lot more exciting as a hi-def QT movie than the bootleg version from a couple of days ago. I'm seeing Iron Man tonight, so we'll see how it looks on the big screen then.
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me likes.
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whats up with that?
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May 03, 2008 10:45:40 AM CDT
How many of you haters have ever actually kissed a girl?
by bono luthor
Bet you love your elasticated wastebands.
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it was something that grew on me over time, whereas Last Crusade has aged very badly for me. It's too much of a generational comedy, too cute... but I really like the darkness of Temple, even if it feels much less epic than the other installments, and even if Kate Capshaw has the most annoying role ever played by a woman anywhere.
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We're in total agreement. I also hope its going to kick ass. As I said in one of my other posts...If these are the movies that are going to be made and pushed by the studios then they better be good. The last movie Spielberg made that I really enjoyed was Minority Report (even though one scene in that film was completely ripped off from LA Confidential - a film I absolutely love.)
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Nobody hatin' but you. Most everybody up in here is diggin' this shit. You dig?
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I have a smoking hot wife and a good job teaching at the University of Chicago. Perhaps these elements of successful adulthood are part of why I can't get excited over something that rehashes good movies from my youth, only with old people.
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You've obviously never seen any Keira Knightley 'films'.
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but Keira's at least nice to look at. Capshaw isn't.
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My problems with Doom are: Capshaw, the "short run" character is pretty racist (maybe I'm being too politically correct about it - but it bothers me whenever I watch it), the background/matte shots really look like ass for most of the film and while this might seem more than a bit unfair I prefer Young Sherlock Holmes' take on a similiar plotline (I know Doom came first YSH was a response to that) I just liked the way things were handled better in that film. The best thing about Doom for me is the best thing about Superman 3 (I can't believe I am actually saying something good about that film but its true) is when Indy goes bad. That still rules. Its just a flawed film for me. Crusade gets pretty silly but there is a lot more that works for as far as the Indy lore in that film than what is in Doom. Love Phoenix's performance as the young Indiana for example. Connery was perfect casting for his dad and the scenes in Italy with the rats are pretty strong in my mind. I also think the grail stuff at the end is surprisingly effective. I'll tell you one thing that definitely won't suck about the new Indy...KAREN ALLEN. Thank god she is in the new one.
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I enjoyed Minority Report. I wasn't sure about it at first but ended up liking it in the end. For me the most "fun" I've had watching a Spielberg flick was ...wait for it...the FIRST Jurasic Park. They all went to total shit after that. I appreciated War of the Worlds but didn't like it all and for me it never captured the awesome neivity of the original 50's one. So in the end I think he killed his movie casting the Scientoligist and over using the war chest of fx...not a good movie in the end (WW).
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There are a few things that just make this not quite an Indy movie...Number one is how clean this movie feels. All of the green screen work is fine for a futuristic movie like Star Wars, but this is supposed to be based in reality, and using green screen for a lot of these action shots makes those shots look sterile. Also, what's up with the skull-faced zombie near the end of the trailer? Looks like a guy with a mask. Maybe it is. Maybe it's supposed to be. Who knows, but they should have left it out of the trailer. Didn't do anything to make it look like an old-school Indy adventure. I think those are the biggest things. I'm used to my Indy with more practical effects and less CGI.
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WOTW blows dogs for quarters. The Mist was a far superior film to that one in my mind. Jurassic Park is awesome. Forgot that one and you're totally right. That was definitely the last great Spielberg summer movie. Schindler's List is a masterpiece and to this day I still give SS credit where credit is due on that one for making both films in the same year which is quite an achievement.
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Spielberg was absolutely firing on all cylinders as a director with that film. Think about that shot with the kids in chains, then Indy appears out of the shadows in probably the most heroic shot of the trilogy, then you hear the punching sounds off camera and then that baddie's body sliding into frame. Brilliant. For all its flaws, wonderful film. I even love "chilled monkey brains".
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Schindler's was good although I prefered The Pianist. Adrian Brody did a great job and I really like the movies perspective on the Holocaust. It fealt like a living documentary to me and I came away with even more compassion for those people. As far as the Mist I have not seen that yet.
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May 03, 2008 11:02:02 AM CDT
I wish you were more exited too. Guess you lost your cool
by stormwatcher
Cuz Indy is awesome. And this looks pretty solid and I would hope that reviewers rewatch the original trilogy before reviewing so they don't sound like ass monkeys when they complain about things that fit with the series. Like when they focused on bad acting and dialogue in the Prequels they sucked for reasons beyond acting.
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The Mist was one of my top three films of this past year:
1. There Will Be Blood (perfection)
2. Eastern Promises (one of Cronenberg's best)
3. The Mist (got everything right that WOTW got wrong - in my opinion)
Dare I say it...I have still never seen The Pianist. Kind of embarrasing actually.
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L.A.Confidential is one of my favourite films of all time. WOTW had the potential for greatness but was missing a climax. They blew their load with the attack at the beginning of the film, which was amazing. Whether it was down to time constraints of budget constraints, they left nothing for the climax, and everyone felt very let down.
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Please make more Indy films,
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Whether you like Willie and Short Round or not, Doom is far superior filmmaking. Crusade is lazy filmmaking from Spielberg, who was on a downer after the failure of Empire of the Sun. Ford doesn't even seem like Jones in the film, he's just a stooge for Connery's lame schtick. The visual FX work is terrible (due to Dennis Muren not being involved) and the action sequences are lame - the desert tank sequence is a lazy rip-off of the perfectly mounted and edited truck chase from Raiders. Denholm Elliot's serious character from Raiders has been turned into a comedy sidekick, as has Sallah. Last crusade is a big drop off in quality from Ark and Doom, two films that were made when Spielberg was still hungry and ambitious. It will be interesting to see how Skull turns out.
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Temple was Temple. I remember loving the shit out of it. I was so so with Crusade when it came out. But ofcourse now that we're older, Crusade seems to be the one I reach for when I go back to watch any of these movies. SS and everyone involved on Indy had grown into their skin and it was more adult but never lost it's charm and excitement which was comparable to Raiders, but in a different way.
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now I can stop posting and actually get back to work.
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May 03, 2008 11:06:43 AM CDT
Laserhead: How smoking and how good? Cuz university jobs don't e
by stormwatcher
Now running Casino business, that does. Boom. And I do. And no, there are no accurate Casino movies. Only the first part of Casino where they explain that everyone has a boss. And Las Vegas is an ass backwards tv show. Except for the surveillance equipment, believe it or not, that shit is real, not Oceans 13 bullshit AI computer crap but retinal and all, that real. Tangent there.
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dag, posts are appearing fast
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And Batman (Burton) Its like bitching when you get a free car from Oprah and having to pay taxes on it. Temple is my most vivid early movie experience followed by Back to the Future and Return of the Jedi. All quality. Course I was under 10 for all of it.
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Grab the Pianist. Great movie. I've yet to see There will be Blood but I am dying to see it. I would have to say though that my favorite movie in years was ....wait for it...310: To Yuma. Goddamn that movie kicked ass. Totaly unexpected. I grew up on Clint Eastwoods Spaghetti and I never thought anyone could achieve that level of cowboy perfection, but for fucks sake they hammered it home. The characters kickeds ass, the plot, and the constant tension was incredible.
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Going after someone for being proud and happy being married to their wife (as am I as well) and then proceeding to belittle their job is more than a little weak.
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This good be very good! Fingers crossed
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I'm required to actually 'work' about nine hours a week and get paid in the high five figures. I don't need more money than that. As for my wife... um, really hot? She looks almost exactly like Ali MacGraw circa 1968. And speaks five languages. So there.
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If you "worked in the film industry" (one of the most overused lies on forums like this, so you'll excuse my cynicism at your claim) you'd know that $400 million worldwide is a stupid estimate (and Pirates 2 didn't make $300 million worldwide, it made over a billion). You'd also spin us insider knowledge that wasn't just regurgitated facts we all know from interviews and from watching the progress on this. Besides, Shamalyan didn't get to write a draft. Sorry, but if there's one thing I hate on these boards it's people throwing an "I work in the industry" into their posts to try and add weight to their opinions.
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Everybody had been being so civil, too. I was so proud of us all.
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Believe what you want to believe.
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You don't deserve to call yourself a film fan. It's about more than movies within the last 30 years.
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I feel like I know everything that's gonna happen.
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It did get weird in here didn't it? Noone was bitching and shit. Now we have a few that are. I'm the biggest offender when comes to bitching but ONLY when it concerns "certain" unsaid movies. ahaha. I will not name them here becuase it will send this talkback right into the toilet.
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this is one of those trailers that seem better when it's on the big screen. The newest Hulk trailer seemed to be too, and that surprised me.
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Sup Herb?
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The international version of this trailer, which is shown before Iron Man has the guns pointed at Indy and the other guy. It's the same change as in the lousy teaser.Poor american sissies are not allowed to see people with guns pointed at them. But the death sentence via poison-injection is fine...
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It looks like he's put shoe polish on his face to pretend he's got some stubble. I was quite excited to see KOTCS but the more I see of Shitey in this film the more I'm put off. I can't believe they're talking about making him the star of any Indy sequels.
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which makes no sense since Lucasfilm produce the greatest trailers ever. Just no reaction in my theatre with Iron man compared to The Dark Knight where you could hear the jaws drop.
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Why is it that a talkback that consists of people civilly sharing their opinions and love of a medium gets side-tracked by other people tossing personal insults-- "If you don't agree with me obviously you're a shit-sucking fuckface who lives in his mother's basement" --even this Roderich guy can't point out something about the trailer without calling Americans sissies. Shame.
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The crowd went nuts for this at the Iron Man showing I was at last night... Equal to the reaction to the TDK trailer. I think it looks great. Just as long as it doesn't slip into the "Lethal Weapon 4" trap of self-referential humor and winking at the camera. There will be countless fanboys who piss and moan about it, but fuck them.
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As soon as you hater-geeks realize some cats know how to do this and some dont youll be better. For the last time, without Lucas and Spielberg this nerd empire you all wallow in would not exist. Credit where credit is due, sit back and ENJOY a film which is meant to entertain not change the fucking world. Nothing else will come close. SO SEE YOU IN HELL LAO CHE!
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You hate george lucas for "ruining" star wars
you criticize the acting in a jones flick...(supposed to be camp, isnt it?)
your still mad about phantom menace.
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May 03, 2008 11:36:50 AM CDT
Captain Katanga Huh? War of the worlds was a massive destruction
by messi
how can you say because that made 600 million, that this will make 600 mil. that's ludicrous.
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Is this all you do? you are on here like 24 fucking 7. Thats all. your most likely a good guy, into films, etc. but diversify your life my friend.
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What the hell are you talking about? I'm not much of a presence here at all. A couple talkbacks I get into because, sitting at a desk with a blank page in front of you, it's an easy way to avoid work. But please, more personal insults from someone who doesn't know me or anything about my life. How is it, by the way, that you think you're able to monitor my presence here when you're so busy diversifying your life?
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Actually, looking back up through the posts, it appears YOU are someone who 'takes this shit way too seriously,' i.e., can't countenance any opinions that are contrary to your own. Get a girlfriend, my friend.
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and people just laughed at the Indiana Jones trailer. I felt so bad for everyone involved (besides Shia). Even my buddy and I had to laugh at "the crystal skull made out of solid gold." I want to like this, but they're making it difficult.
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assholes ruined the Dark Knight trailer by shouting Heath-Ledger-is-dead jokes throughout the entire thing. Couldn't hear half the trailer. Fucking assholes, man. Even if he wasn't dead, shut your damn holes.
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that at every Indy talkback, we have someone who brings up the Phantom Menace. I'm not kidding, it happens at least once in every single one.
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Isn't that Sean Patrick Flanery towards the end of the traler, just before the 4 columns come together?.
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why is it ludicrous? War Of The Worlds was a Spielberg blockbuster that had fairly average word of mouth, and yet still went on to make 600 million globally. Indy is far more beloved around the world, and its a Spielberg blockbuster, ideal for all ages and demographics... why exactly don't you think its capable of making more than say I Am legend (584 million globally) or Troy (!) (500 million globally. Was it you that predicted 400 million globally? Thats what The Mummy and MI:3 made! Indy has way, way more global appeal.
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If you're going to criticize a line of dialogue, make sure you quote it correctly. I want to listen to you, but you're making it difficult.
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a You Tube link yet?
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I work in the industry too. I've had the fortunate experience to work with some of the people on the new Indy film. And what a "professional" WOULD SAY IS... "Wait for the movie to come out before you judge it". Cynicism is the bi-product of arrogance. I do believe that Fassbinder wants KOTCS to be good. Fassbinder... I agree with most of your points. I just hope you can go to Indy IV with an open mind and enjoy it for the amusement park ride it's meant to be. When you start bringing up comments about Short-Round being anti-PC... I have to shake my head and figure you can't enjoy movies these days without letting your own subjective & personal filters get in the way.
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Anyone who didn't pick that up wasn't listening.
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This movie will OWN ALL OF US...FOREVER. Bring it on!
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Fucking GET OVER IT ALREADY.
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That's not true. It's Lucas who has made us cynical. I wasn't trying to be funny above. There are many people who can't even hear the word LucasFilm without being disgusted.
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I'm curious as to where you both live. The Crystal Skull trailer got a standing ovation last night at the Ziegfeld theater here in Manhattan. That's something I've never seen before in my 35 years of attending movies. 1000+ people applauding a trailer?? Hardly anemic. Maybe the real Indy fans are in New York City?
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Just saying. I'm really looking forward to it, but at the box office I could easily see Iron Man, Dark Knight, Hancock, and possibly Wall-E outpacing it. Most likely Dark Knight. They're all easily above $200 mil though.
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It's even better on the big screen. After seeing the trailer before Iron Man, I have no doubts. Bring on Indy!
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but I think we all know that any movie can look good as a trailer if it's edited in the right way.
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Indy will beat Iron Man, Hancock and Dark Knight at the box office. You might be right about Wall-E though, that could be a bit of a phenomenon. The only thing that will reduce Indy's impact is if it turns out to be a terrible film, which is unlikely.
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I'm LOVING that story about the reaction at the Ziegfield, thats great to hear!
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Come on, it's been over 10 minutes. It has to be on You Tube by now. Someone here has to know. Fuck that browser slaying Quicktime.
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I live in Chicago and saw Iron Man at AMC River East. Like I've said, I'm wondering why I'm not more excited, as I love the original movies and remember them as touchstones of my childhood. But so far, I just don't feel it, and it seemed like the crowd's non-reaction to the trailer echoed my own. I hope the movie is fantastic and does really well. I'm just observing what seems to be a lack of large-scale interest. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. We'll see in a couple weeks.
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I've already been won over, but if that doesn't do it for you then nothing will. Kudos for mentioning the Wild One. A film also alluded to in The Simpsons (the episode where Bart becomes the hall monitor and Lisa the rebel, and when Skinner asks her what she's rebelling against she replies, "what have ya' got). It was a real treat to see this before Iron Man.
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Speed Racer next week. Then Narnia. Then Indy. Kung Fu Panda. The Happening. Hulk. Wall-E. Hancock. Hellboy II. Dark Knight. Seriously, how much cash do you think the american public can shell out?? I see a lot of split grosses this summer.
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I remember going to the theater every weekend during the summer. Now it's more like once a month, if that. I think that warsinthesun has a point, but if the films are good enough people will go.
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You claim Lucas made "us" cynical. Well... you really can't lump me in there cause I'm not cynical of Lucas. He didn't make me cynical. No one person can make someone else cynical. It's a human behavior that stems from the way people react to life in general.
I may have thought Lucas could have done a better job directing and writing the prequels... but it wasn't the end of the world for me. It was his movie. He did what he wanted to do. It's not yours or mine. I move on. I still enjoy all of the Star Wars movies for what they are. Movies. Escapism. Nothing more. Nothing less. And yes... I liked the original trilogy over the prequels. I'm not negative about the future. People cast judgement on something they've never even seen. That's being cynical. Assuming you already know what the outcome is and that you are a better critic then the general population. That's arrogance. -
No, he's not. Little suburb Shia will never be accused of being cool.
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Way too clean, no grit or atmosphere. Makes every shot look like a set or a CG effect. I would say this about very few film characters, but I don't just want to WATCH Indiana Jones - I want to BELIEVE in Indiana Jones. I don't buy anything in this trailer.
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Interesting. It's weird, because it seems to be the exact opposite here. What is surprising me is that I've been observing what seems to be a lack of large-scale interest in Dark Knight here in The Big Apple. As a huge Batman fan as well, I am extremely excited for both flicks, but the seeming lack of interest that many friends and co-workers seem to have for the next installation in the Batman franchise seems especially odd to me.
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Same shit people say about every sequel to an 80's movie. Stop pretending that the older quality picture of 80's movies is grit. Don't be an idiot.
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I won't be, but you go right ahead.
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Most movies these days do one helluva job 'not' convincing you that these places really exist. I take exception with Spielberg though. He delivers. You'll see.
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...the Trailer took a little while to load but it was totally forth it!! XD
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May 03, 2008 1:52:34 PM CDT
Dead silence in out theater when this trailer played
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
Last night sold out show at Muvico in Hanover, MD. 9p showing of Iron Man. Reactions to every trailer except this one. Total silence except for one groan from a male sitting a few rows back when Shia popped up.
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...everyone was silent during the whole thing. No response. When a trailer for "The Love Guru" gets more audience anticipation and whispers of "we should see that" etc, I don't think this movie has high hopes BO wise.
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Mine cheered for Indy and Dark Knight. Mild laughter for Love Guru and no response for Spirit.
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...well I'm not going to go into Harry's level of anatomical descriptiveness but that applies to female fans, What exactly more do you want? Ford looks great. He's running, jumping, swinging, beating ass. There's a hot ass dominatrix villainess, MARION FUCKING RAVENWOOD is back. What the fuck do you people want? I'm starting to sound like a plant or a shill for Paramount but really, this is the one place I thought I could go on the internet where I could talk to people who were excited about this. Indiana FUCKING Jones, you assholes! Yes, there is some CGI, God forbid they advance the technology 20 years so it doesn't look exactly like it did in 1981. What do you have to look forward to in the way of movies after this? The fucking Hobbit? Give me a fucking break. This is movie history, you assholes and anyone over the age of 25 should understand that and not bitch about how the pixels in frame 345 of the 3rd scene look. Goddammit I expected more from you people.
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That won't alienate everyone.
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having indy is cool, but shia the beef? it makes me uncomfortable for a reason it don't know.
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May 03, 2008 2:10:26 PM CDT
sorry ,for some reason AICN fucked up an dnot me.A First?
by the true priapic
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sorry,every so sorry.But I Dunno ....I have been coming here sincde 1998 and I have been misspelling and swearing all over the place but I absolutely agree with what you just said(typed)
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And I know it will end when the movie comes out and everyone bends over backwards to excuse every problem only to talk about how mediocre it really is once the dust settles six months later. but for now I'm enjoying it. BTW I don't really think you can argue that this is a great trailer. I think you would have to say that Lucasfilm is just showing us the same slightly uninteresting stuff to keep us in the dark. I hope that's the case.
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Preach it, brother!
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I know I'm pretty much the only person who feels this way, but whenever I see examples of HD programming or HD trailers (note, I don't actually have an HD set), it always seems so unbelievably artificial, sterile, unnatural and processed to me. Not necessarily "more detailed," just louder and more garish. Am I the only one who has negative feelings toward the initials "HD?" It just sort of feels like the death of this storytelling medium I've loved my whole life. I realize most people love anything associated with HD. Am I the only one who feels the opposite?
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...is that the trailer is sooo awesome that the audience has been stunned speechless...and applaudless. INDY 4 WILL BE GREAT!!!
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...it won't matter so long as the movie is great. Screw the box office. If you don't want to see it, I don't care as long as I get to see it multiple times.
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I live in NY too and I don't know a single person who isn't going apeshit to see Dark Knight.
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I mean the director. Lame movies for snob homos.
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And the reaction was total silence. No enthusiams, no talking, no nothing. TDK got some cheers. Prince Caspian got some cheers. That Adam Sandler movie got some cheers and even Love Guru, which looks looks beyond awful, got some applause. Indy got nothing. Maybe the trailers are poorly cut or something, but there isn't much enthusiasm being built, imo.
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Is that comparing SHia Labeof, an actor people are akeptical, to Marlon brando, the greatest and arguably coolest screen actor of all time, is just compeltely and utterly ridiculous and only serves to exaggerate the fears that people have been having that he was miscast. If they wanted a Brando type they really could not have gone further in the other direction. Look Labeouf might be great in the role he plays, but it certainly won't be a Brando type character because frankly that's just out of his range.
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I don't hate TEMPLE OF DOOM. I reserve my hate for LAST CRUSADE, which is lazy and sloppy and a betrayal of any affection I have for RAIDERS. TEMPLE is uneven, but at least it does its own thing and it's a pretty potent nightmare machine.
And Fassbinder, M. Night Shyamalan never wrote one word of an INDIANA JONES script. Ever. His ego wouldn't let him work on a film where he didn't have complete control. If you claim he wrote a draft of this, you're absolutely 100% wrong. -
Harrison Ford looks old as fuck, and Shia could never carry a film on those scrawny shoulders of his, but I don't care. Bring on Indy 4 and the commie killing, zombie busting, cate blanchett donkey punching action! Woo!
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it wasa written by the dark ones...
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buy a new goddamn TV you cheap bastard. And I'm going on record as saying Iron Man will gross more than this movie will. As a poster said earlier the response to the trailer was anemic bordering on laughable. I heard a few groans when Shia LeShitastic flashed on screen with that idiotic ode to Marlon Brando. Jesus, is Speilberg and Lucas fucking 12?
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Look, if I was wrong about Shyamalan I was wrong about Shyamalan. It was probably another writer. I learned this from a very good friend of mine who works for Lucasfilm. Was he not telling me the truth about Darabont's draft either? Whether you believe me or not doesn't really matter. I stand by what I said. I have complete faith in what I was told. I respect what it you guys are doing here with site and its a bummer to have my credibility attacked for voicing my honest opinion. What purpose would I have exactly for making it up?
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poetic warrior. I really wasn't expecting a more thoughtful response on AICN than that. All I know is that NBC's "hi def" lineup looks absolutely preposterous, including the newest episodes of the Law & Order franchise which appear to have less gravitas and weight than a Power Rangers episode from the 90's.
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"Lame movies for snob homos." Uh-what? Have you ever seen Berlin Alexanderplatz? And if you have and you're still calling it "a lame movie for a snob homo" then I have absolutely nothing to say that.
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Jesus christ, groans?! Were there talkbackers in the audience? Must have been. I didn't hear reaction in our packed auditorium to anything BUT Jones and Dark Knight. Jones was the last trailer and everyone sounde excited after it.
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but honestly, buy a new TV. It can't get much more thoughtful than that because you don't know what you're fucking missing on a shitty standard def TV. Watching HD on a tv that isn't HD is what's preposterous. And buy a fucking blu-ray player while your at it.
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I agree with you... I did enjoy Crusade, however, everything you pointed out brings back my initial reaction when seeing it in theatres when I was 12. In my opinion, Indy films are always a lot of fun, but Raiders is by far the best in the series... Interestingly, every girlfriend I have every had has preferred Crusade... strange that the series seems to break down by gender lines.
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I can't wait! I'm not a picky guy. I can enjoy things with flaws. This is gonna be fun!
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is only part of the problem with this movie. It's 15 years to late and Spielberg inexplicably cast an actor in a part so horribly wrong it boggles the mind. Unless Shia is playing a jewish retard that escaped from the special ed home his part is going to be annoyingly shitty. He's the one thing that has caused the crickets in the fucking theater when this shit runs. People DON'T want to see his stupid ass in this. He's a garbage douche bag actor that should be left for garbage douche bag movies like Transformers. Spielberg has gotten old along with Ford, but Stevie is out of touch with the rest of the world, he's failed to keep his finger on what's hot or not. Hence Tom fucking Cruise in WOTW and a string of shitty mediocre movies.
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... I didn't say you made it up. It's an internet rumor that's been around for several years, and it's false. You are certainly not the first person to repeat that Shyamalan story, but I am telling you as someone who has read pretty much every draft of INDIANA JONES 4 since the early '90s... there never was a Shyamalan draft.
The Darabont draft obviously exists, and much of it is still in the final CRYSTAL SKULL script, which is sort of a Frankenstein's monster of stuff by Lucas, Jeb Stuart, Darabont, and Koepp. Shit, man, Koepp's not a screenwriter... he's a mad scientist. -
... I like this trailer much more than the first one. It's a better trailer. Still have no idea what to expect when I finally see the film, but at least this felt like someone was actually trying to sell us the movie.
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so what's your take on how the movie will play out and what, exactly, is Shia's character supposed to be? Is he doing the same crap he's done in everything else he's ever been in or is he doing some real acting this time?
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And just go to the movie and enjoy. I like an old fashioned surprise.
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you arent a cinefile, and should forever be banned from any film site...if brando was around today, he would slap shia silly
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and the summer.
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If we're checking from all compass points, there was no reaction in my theatre either. Just a tangible sense of disappointment. I'm excited to see this movie, don't get me wrong - but that trailer was either representative of a very mediocre film or was cut literally to lower expectations. It was very bland and awkward. And why not more dialogue? Is that just Spielberg not wanting to give stuff away or do they think the more they show the less we'll like it? I don't get it. Still, I'll be there on the first day like most all of you. Oh and TEMPLE OF DOOM kicks ass - I saw it in my 20's, not as a child (yes, I'm old), and my girlfriend nearly killed me with the grip she had on me. It was a great roller coaster then, and it is now. To me, it is Spielberg at his best. CRUSADE is a crushing bore and an enormous letdown.
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May 03, 2008 3:22:02 PM CDT
I'd also like to know Mori, will the Mutt character play?
by industrykiller!
Because it's easily my biggest concern of the film. I know you're probably waiting to see but since you've read the script and you're obviously familiar with Labeouf give us your take on it. Will he actually end up being a foil for Indy or is he just going to be a second tier sidekick thrown in for cheap character dynamic?
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People actually groaned during the trailer? its funny but when you talk with "normal" people (not talkbackers, who are not the average film audience), they are way more measured about lebeauf. I'm not even talking about the people who work with him and can't stop raving about how amazingly talented he is. I don't know the reason for the hate but i think its just the overexposure of shia. I also hate to play the jealousy card but maybe some talkbacker can't accept that the kid just played the lead in transformer, banged rihana, and then went back to play opposite Ford in Indy 4...
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if so....DONT GO SEE THIS MOVIE...DOWNLOAD...DEATH TO LABOUF
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Is that supposed to be some sort of in-joke cause his father took his alias from a dog?
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I know what you're saying. And I'm not falling into the Shia hate thing, but this guy has become popular simply for representing the American suburb kid of the 21st century. I think you are absolutely right to believe that he doesn't have the acting range to play this part. Why do I say that? This says it all. http://tinyurl.com/4xdgwf
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I don't understand the hatred. It's far more tongue and cheek than the other two films but only by a couple of degrees. It's not wildly out of character as some make it out to be. I think Ford and Connery do a superb job playing each other for comedy. They really reminded me of Bob Hope and Bing Crosby in a way (I'm certain that was part of Spielberg's inspiration for the film). It's Indiana Jones as a road comedy, which is pretty fucking ingenious if you ask me. I also love how Spielberg treats Connery's character in the same manner that he treats the shark in Jaws. We don't see him until halfway through the film. His entrance is pretty great too.
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Did somebody say CGI Pants?
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its just his character trait, hes a marlon brando fan but he's probly not even close to being as cool as the wild one, who just seems like a dork to me anyways compared to the cool dudes of today.
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HA! My theater was packed and what did I hear after and during the trailer. A bunch of hushed and excited "Oh sweet"s and "Daaaammmnnn!" You could feel the excitement for sure. All of you people who are talking shit will still be in that theater opening day anyway.
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In LAST CRUSADE is the joke about Hitler signing the book. That is a wonderful little bit, almost as good as the swordsman joke from RAIDERS. Very snarky irreverent humor that is hard to imagine Spielberg doing these days.
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I said I'd be there opening day - it doesn't automatically erase all our critical thought. Sorry. And where are you?
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May 03, 2008 3:52:05 PM CDT
how can you judge an HD image when you dont have an HD televisio
by bouncy x
oh and it doesnt matter if this is literally the worst movie ever made, it'll still make shitloads of money based on name recognition alone. look at the star wars prequels, for such "terrible" movies, they sure as hell racked in the bucks and viewers. i'm not gonna go say it'll be the biggest hit of the summer because there's always surprises but it'll definately do as well if not better than expected. and i love the people who judge a movie's fate by how the audience reaction to a theatrical trailer, i mean if i did that...every movie ever made would be terrible and a failure.
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So where the hell are all you guys? Or when you said "going apeshit" did you mean "quietly enjoying the online viral marketing campaign from the comfort of your home"?
Last night at Rudy's after the movie someone actually uttered the words "What's The Dark Knight?" when the conversation turned to this summer's movie schedule. Granted, I wouldn't consider this person a film or comic geek by any means, and when I politely informed them exactly who and what The Dark Knight was, they responded "Oh, riiiiight. Heath Ledger's last movie" but I still couldn't help being somewhat surprised by their initial ignorance.
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that there was some legal contract with Paramount to make a total of 5 IJ movies? I've heard about it at several other places. Anyone?
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Agree actually. But there is a difference between having actual concerns and just being negative for the sake of it (knowing full well its bullshit coming from a ass that will be there opening day. Raiders is my all time favorite movie and I am physically worried that the film will let me down. THe first time I see a new trailer or TV spot, I am giddy, then after watching a few dozen times, I start to see things I am a bit concerned about. Obviously a bit different than getting on this website and spending my time typing negative and unfounded claims just to get a rise out of the other readers or my own neglected crotch.
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all in all I have high hopes. I trust the director (having enjoyed JP, Munich, WOTW (except the end) and MR. I think Shia's a talented kid and seems to really respect the series, and there are some really nice moments in the trailers. And then there's one more thing - a review from someone I'm not sure I can trust or not. She claims to have seen the film 1 and a half times. Who knows if she's full of shit or not, but she says its second to Raiders and more than the trailers let on to...She's probably lying about even seeing it though.
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I'm not saying that an HD image looks "low def" on a standard Tv (because of course it would). I'm saying that material shot in HD looks chintzier, gaudier and more artificial than anything out of Siegfried & Roy's closet on a standard broadcast.
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just watch a movie for entertainment value anymore? Why is everyone so hyper-critical of everything? What happened to a movie just being simply that, a movie? That's my whole criteria for judging a movie, if I am entertained by it, then its a great film.
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took a crap. who's the milf?
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You must be new here.
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May 03, 2008 4:16:54 PM CDT
Lots of cheers in our theater after this trailer played
by professor falcon
And I live in Baltimore, only 20 minutes from your theatre, AllPowerfulWizardOfOz. Maybe that turd odor you were smelling is all that airplane exhaust from BWI you must be sucking in?
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... is totally bizarre. But of course, its EXACTLY what you would expect from talkbackers. These little pricks are just jealous. They hated DiCaprio too. If a young male actor suddenly gets a lot of success, and especially if they are popular with girls, then talkbackers are predisposed to HATE him. Luckily Spielberg knows a lot more about actual talent than most of the douchebags on this forum.
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May 03, 2008 4:22:54 PM CDT
and to whoever said theeir audience cheered the Prince Caspian t
by captain katanga
... I call bullshit.
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Ive certainly noticed that gaudy, over-colourful quality to HD quicktime trailers, but thats not the fault of HD, thats just the way they are encoded. If you watch HD films on an HDTV that is set up correctly, they look fucking great. Don't judge HD by quicktime trailers.
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Every seems to be comparing this movie to Raiders, which is unfair. Of course it won't be as good as Raiders, because sequels are never as good as the original.
But I think the movie has a chance to be as good as Temple of Doom and Last Crusade. If those movies were released today, they would be ridiculed by most of you.
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re: 'shia hatred'. Couldn't of said it better.
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Over 200 million people viewed the first trailer online which is a record. This shows the level of worldwide interest in Indy still.
Indy will be a massive hit as it appeals to a lot of people who would not usually go to the cinema. Its easily going to make close to $1B worldwide even if its poor (which I very much doubt) $700-850m is a lock (look at Spiderman3 which was dire yet made more than SM1/2). First week alone will probably be $350-400m. worlwide -
The first was an adventure serial. The second was a pre-teen horror film. The third a buddy road picture. I wonder what this one will be...
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Thanks for your polite response. I was wondering if you (or anyone else) could answer another question for me. (I'm sure it's common knowledge, but I'm generally ignorant on these issues.) Is a lot of the so-called "HD" material shot for TV these days in fact a form of digital video? I ask because I know that drama shows that have traditionally been shot on film (such as Law & Order)... when I see new episodes of these shows on NBC these days--shows which are now touted to be shot in "hi-def" (again, watching on just my standard, low-tech CRT setup) they just look awful. I mean, nightmarishly artificial and cheap, like a Ringling Brothers acid trip. (Meanwhile, the film-shot commercials shown on the same network during these shows still look "normal.") I just can't imagine that such an alien look is the result of "traditional" filming practices. And furthermore, I wonder, assuming these shows are in fact being shot in digital--are people who say they prefer this type of hi-def programming actually saying they think that digital cinematography looks more natural and more beautiful than film? I'm not trying to pick a fight here with anyone. I honestly don't know much about this subject and want to learn at least some basic facts.
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I think it would literally be impossible to make an Indiana Jones 4 without tons of people bashing it.
The passage of time has created a nostalgia for the 1st 3 films so that we overlook their faults.
If Indy 4 was filmed just like the first 3, people would say, "It's 2008; those special effects don't cut it anymore." And if Indy 4 used updated special effects, people would say, "Wah, I want it to be just like the old ones." -
If you didn't want to know the synopsis, then why did you read it?
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evidence of alien or ufo activity? besides the mentionings of the skull looking like an alien, whatever that means. am i wrong>
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It says that Indy goes with Mutt to South America to hunt for crystal skulls, with Russians in pursuit. Everyone already knew this.
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Sounds more like you got a dipshit audience than anything, can't really gauge the public reaction to Indy on an audience that stupid.
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But that's sort of a relief, should make the movie that much better if my expectations aren't through the roof. Think that's what they were going for? Don't make us hyperventilate with excitement, so when we do see it we'll be pleasently surprised and they'll use more word of mouth to get newer younger people into the theatre? Just like the old days.
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I wouldn't say that they're intentionally making the preview suck, but I do think they wanted to make sure not to give too much away. If they had been willing to give away more plot points, then perhaps the trailer would have been more pleasing to hyper-critical audiences.
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I'm not 100% sure but I believe that most TV programs have likely upgraded to digital probably in request or order of the network. However, watching it on a Standard Def TV will not show you the show in HD. You need to have subscribed to the HD version of those channels to get that.
Basically, yeah you'll probably see a difference now from the quality of the image from the 90s, but I wouldn't say it's worse. Digital is different than film, no doubt, but like any transition it is met with mixed responses, but eventually we'll all come to accept it.
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How the fuck can i do that? are they online? I want that Thor script Harry was talking about!!!
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Yeah I agree with what you say, first off that Temple of Doom ROCKS. A close second to Raiders for me, it's beautifully made and I think the adventure is amazing, back when it was released I guess "darker" wasn't popular since Last Crusade went lighter in tone, but today, Temple would probably shine as "darker" is in these days. I love the annoying kid, and the ridiculously "racist" portrayal of the natives. And I'll never forget the beating heart chest ripping open scene.
I also liked Last Crusade the least, however, I did appreciate the humour, I hope that you, Katanga, and other talkbackers here (especially the cynics that Katanga mentioned) don't forget that Indy was always an adventure series that had charm and wit, and that jokes like "I thought that was closer" in the trailer are staple elements of the formula. I'm just afraid that once the movie hits, people are going to say "OMG IT WAS TOO SILLY, POS!" Apparently forgetting that all of the films were "silly" to a certain degree.
Also agree that there is a certain population of talkbackers here who are trying way, way too hard to be the next Roger Ebert constantly being hyper-critical of EVERYTHING whether it be a movie teaser poster, the make-up of a character, concept art, or the god damn voice-over of this trailer, some TBers feel the need to point out the most insignificant things. Being that uptight, I really do wonder how they can enjoy anything. Let alone have film be a main interest of theirs. -
But now I'm really confused. For two reasons. #1 Honestly, the look of these shows (such as Medium, the new L&O Criminal Intent, The Biggest Loswer etc) is so cheap and garish to me that I have a hard time imagining anyone preferring it to things that look (quote/unquote) "normal." But where I'm also confused is #2: I was under the impression that "hi-def" basically means that you're watching something in 5-times the resolution of what we had before. Yet I've also read that film is so inherently detailed that even hi-def (whether it be broadcasts or Blu-Ray) can't completely convey every bit of potential nuance of the original film print. Assuming that is true, then I wonder, why is there any need at all to shoot things digitally for hi-def broadcasts? Why don't they continue to take full advantage of the natural and organic beauty of film and simply use the hi-def medium to better convey all those inherent aesthetic benefits to the consumer?
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the imdb trivia page says speilbergs son asked him in 2000 when the remaining 2 installments of indy where gonna be made, which ignited his interest again. incase you havent seen it.
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Aside from a couple of great set pieces (when the first tripod emerges from the ground and the Hudson River scene) WotW was TERRIBLE. Compared with A.I. and Minority Report it doesn't even register, and those two movies are by no means masterpieces. A.I. and MR were too long, WotW was too short. The actual length of WotW was OK but it FELT too short. Once they get to Tim Robbins's house they should have stop shooting and just turned it into a TV episode or something! The whole movie is rushed beyond belief. It's as though Spielberg only showed up for a week and then the rest was shot by second unit with the blanks filled in by ILM (who admittedly did a stellar job with the time they had). Apart from the parts where people are being killed by the aliens, Spielberg seemed to forget that he'd already done everything in this movie ten times better in Close Encounters.
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I realize you've been jacking it to Transformers and Disturbia for a very long time now but honestly, being an apologist for Shia LeButtfuck and the idiotic look he has in this film is pathetic. You and your cronies should spend less time masturbating to jew fro's and more time learning how not to be cunts.
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Jesus Christ are you stupid or 12? They intentionally make the trailers less than they should be so they can surprise you in the theater???? Holy fuck you've got to be kidding me.
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While I don't want to get too technical because I don't know that much, I believe it's just in the transfer to screen.
See, film, yeah, it can capture a lot, but thats just a film reel, you need something to project it. Projection like in a movie theatre losses quality because of the enlargement, same as the fact a projection TV isn't as sharp as an LCD. In home settings, you need something to be able to play your movie: VHSs, DVDs, Blurays. A transfer has to happen so HD is just a really good transfer, getting the least image compression, so the clearest picture, closest to the original print possible.
It is possible for film to be presented in HD, not just digital filming. Digital goes for a desired look, so it's more common to see in urban-set films/shows, which is why you'd see it in those crime dramas or Collateral (yeah I keep coming back to it). Also, the digital take-over is to encourage everyone to upgrade to LCD or Plasma screens and move up to HD receivers, leaving standard definition behind. Any doubts about how a show or movie looks will be gone when you upgrade to HD, it's beautiful.
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Quit with the anti-semitic shit! I'm fucking serious. And Italian Catholic. It's not fucking funny and it's pretty obvious what your "problem" with Shia is. Maybe you're closer to the villains in RAIDERS than to Indy, you cunt.
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Yeah, it's the only reason this moron is in the movie is because he has, unfortunately, come to represent what teenagers with an IQ of 80 or less enjoy watching. That's it and that's all. He has shown exactly zero outside of being some stammering yammering loser douche. There is a big cause of concern with his appearance in this movie.
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Less than they should be? So a trailer should show every action scene, every witty line from the movie? Yeah, that makes for a good trailer, and a huge disappointment when you see the movie.
I'm suggesting they are taking a different route with the marketing to give you glimpses but nothing that really blows your mind. Notice all the CGI scenes like that object flying towards the car Indy's in is shown for seconds, never getting to the big bang.
I just said it's a possibility, and if you look around, I'm not the only one who suggested it on this talkback. Get your head out of your ass. Not everyone likes to see a movie blow its load before it even hits theatres, but for you premature losers, I guess that does the trick. -
hate Shia, thats alright, your entitled to it. However, why can't you just watch a movie without groaning to yourself "oh god, he was in DISTURBIA" like who gives a fuck? This is Indiana Jones, not Disturbia, no one cares about his past work when watching this movie.
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if you're a grade schooler it's certainly a possibility that someone would intentionally make you think their movie was going to be a big letdown. It's a possibility they would put a trailer out that people sat silently dumbfounded through so they could secretly surprise you with how not shitty it actually is. Go sell bullshit somewhere else please and quit being an apologist.
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in any of these trailers.
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So no use trying to talk to you, I'd have more luck talking to my dog, at least it might show a slight sign of interpreting what I'm saying.
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is it just me or was that french with indy outside that hanger when he says "put your arms down".? it looked like nick nolte had put on weight for a minute then i remembered that he's already in tropic thunder. who does bill hader play in that by the way?
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I can't wait. Three weeks to go! Ford's dialog there at the opening of the trailer makes me feel good. It SOUNDS like Indiana Jones, not like Harrison Ford. Trailer got tons of positive crowd reactions Thursday nigh when I saw Iron Man.
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is that they're not showing you the best parts of the film in the trailer. They're holding back. If you don't like the trailer maybe it's because unlike other trailers they're not showing you the entire movie. Personally, I like the approach, but I also like what I've seen so far. Audiences are familiar enough with Indiana Jones that they don't have to show you the entire movie in order to sell it.
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because he's played the same smarmy, modern, teenage prick in every single project...but is now being thrust into a period piece. And not just a period piece, but one of the most anticipated films of all time.
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Oh I totally hear you when it comes to the humour. As you say its a staple of the series, in fact no other series can claim to have so many classic visual jokes in it. Its just that for me, Last Crusade tips into all-out comedy, perhaps its the sheer volume of gags, some great (old guy putting hubcap on car, car drives off), some not so great ("they dont come any closer than that!"), some awful (the whole Scottish Lord sequence). I just hope they get the balance right in the new one. But you're right, the daft humour has always been there (Marion carrying a frying pan, lures baddie into doorway, BOIIINNG!!)
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... for giving me a good laugh, you truly are a poet.
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best quality internet trailer i've seen.
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Temple and Crusade both have problems but I can not abide the character of Willie- a total waste of air as a character. What does Indy see in her? Temple as a movie is actually pretty racist, Short Round is kinda irritating, like the Ewoks in Jedi - adding an unnecessary and mismatched juvenile tone to a fairly dark tale and I gotta say Thuggee priest are not as good villains as good, old-fashioned Nazis. Raider, then Crusade and then Temple. I think a lot of Temple-love is pure nostalgia. But hey may be that's just me.
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What does Indy see in her? She's the only white chick for like 10,000 miles, that's what. :)
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What did Spielberg see in her. He's the one who married it.
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That's a good one, fair point.
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Do any of you guys that hate Shia like any actors over 16 and under 25 years old?
Who would you have cast in his role?
I don't get all the hate for the kid. At least he seems to be humble in real life.
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And that trailer did suck, whats with some of the weak sound fx? There is one gun shot in there that sounded like it came straight from an NES game.
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Excellent post , most of the talkbackers are complete imbeciles..thats why no one really takes this site all that seriously. Almost every other tv/movie site talks down on AICN and the Talkbacker section IMHO keeps most movie people far away from being involved here. I love this site but the talkback section takes my heart right out of most movies and tv shows as the outright hate and disgust most of the posters have to almost every new story just is sickening.
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Is he cracking a whip or a belt at this trailer?? :)
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He seems like a pretty likeable actor to me. I thought he was good in Disturbia and Transformers, and I'm looking forward to seeing him in Indy 4. I'm not crazy about the whole "biker" thing, but oh well.
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It's exactly the same pitch and tone and beat of my alarm clock. That really freaked me out.
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funny how you don't hear any talkbackers having a problem with any successful young actresses. Nobody around here seems to have the slightest issue with Megan Fox, or Jessica Alba... I WONDER why that would be? Hmmmm. But Shia? BURN HIM!!! BURN HIM!!! HE'S SUCCESSFUL AND HAS CURLY HAIR, I HATE HIM, I HATE HIM!!!
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I think some of you are misinterpreting the silence during the Indy trailer.
In our theater, the previews were unusually quiet for some reason. There were a few trailers before the Indy one came on and people we still carrying on conversations from before they started and while the commercials were playing. They laughed at a few jokes in the trailer and then went back to talking.
Then the scene of the waterfalls at the start of the Indy trailer came on and about half of the audience suddenly shut up (I figure these were the ones that saw the crappy bootleg beforehand). Then everybody else recognized Ford's voice in the voiceover and they all shut up too. You literally could have heard a pin drop (if the floors weren't carpeted).
It was impossible to mistake the silence for boredom. My wife leaned over to me and said, "Wow. It just got really quiet in here." It was an awed silence ... a reverential silence. Everybody dropped whatever else they were doing and shut up because they didn't want to miss one second of the trailer. At the end of the trailer when you hear the whipcrack and you see the Indy Silhouette walking out with gold backlighting and the title comes up you could suddenly hear a bunch of hushed laughs ... but not in the way you'd laugh at something that was stupid. It was closer to a gleeful little giggle of "yeaahhhhh". You could tell that there were a lot of people in the audience that had been waiting for this movie for a long time.
A few seconds after the next trailer everybody went back to talking. When the Dark Knight trailer came on people were still talking. Not as much as the other trailers, but it wasn't the awed reverence that was so palpable during the Indy trailer. Did the Dark Knight trailer get some OOOHs and AHHHs? Sure. But the difference between the (3) Dark Knight trailers and the Indy trailer is that TDK has tippped it's hand over and over again. The Dark Knight trailer is getting the oohs and ahhhs because it shows the stuff in the movie that's meant to elicit them ... and it seems they're shown in a fairly linear order so that you feel like you're basically watch a 2-minute version of the movie.
The Indy trailer isn't set up that way and I'm pretty damn sure that's intentional. The Indy trailer sets a tone. It says, "This is Indiana Jones. He's back. You wanna see what he's gonna do? Well then you'll have to come see the movie." It does this with very brief snippets of the movie that seem arranged in no particular order and you can't tell if the trailer unfolds even remotely in the same sequence as the movie.
Conversely, the Dark Knight trailer says, "This happens to this character, then this happens to this character, then this happens to this character. There's this conflict and this other conflict. And Batman's gonna kick some ass."
Now don't get me wrong. It's a cool trailer because it seems like it's gonna be a cool movie. But the intent and style of the trailer is very different from the Indy one. I feel like I basically know what's going to happen and how it's going to happen. It's what I hate about most modern trailers. It's what I hated about the Die Hard 4 trailer. It shows you the pinnacle of virtually every set piece in the movie. So when you actually show up the theater, you're just watching the build-up to everything you saw in the trailer. I don't feel that way with Indy, and that's why I love it so much. -
...and look how that turned out. In fact there are probably some stubborn pricks on this site who refuse to like The Departed, and all because the teenaged girls they failed so miserably to hook up with had posters of Leo on their walls back in the Titanic days.
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Some of you Talkbackers just talk utter crap. I have no idea why you hold so much venom, whether it be against Shia LeBeouff, the new Indy movie (Indiana Fucking Jones), Spielberg, Lucas, garden gnomes, tulips of Spring, pink cuddly bunnies, ponies galloping upon morning dew, candy-floss clouds, leftover cake mix, a mother's kiss on the forehead, a gentle grandfather's smile, the smell of sweet incense, dancing naked in a park... TOO MUCH HATE, GUYS! You sound like losers in need of fresh air and a little loving!
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Looks Hoooooot!
Definitely worth it for her alone.
I want a spin off movie with her, where she whips her subordinates, going "Bad communist, bad communist!"
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May 03, 2008 9:36:35 PM CDT
I think we ALL need to drink a nice cold refreshing glass of SHU
by hawaiian organ donor
This movie may be shit or it may be like a blowjob from Megan Fox while watching Jessica Alba and Hayden Panettiere 69 each other. Either way then sun will rise again, talking chimp will still be in the White House, gas will be over $3.60/gallon, men everywhere will still be jerking off 2.3 times a week and another genocide will go unreported by the world media. So let's all write a check out to "reality" and cash that bitch.
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That should be STFU.
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have read some very recent and new spoiler material- not going to go into them here, but all in all this movie IS classic Indiana Jones, and from the sounds of things more like a cross between Temple Of Doom and Raiders, with a little bit of Crusade here and there.
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I think he'll do well in the movie and I'm really looking foward to it. The only thing they got wrong in the "Wild One" homage is that they didn't use a Triumph motorcycle. Harley's suck.
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Really. It came right after The Dark Knight, which everyone sat in silence for. And then at the end of the Indy one, everyone chuckled. I mean it was pretty silly in comparison.
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"STEEEEEEELLLLLLLAAAAAAAAA"
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No, there isn't. And I would obviously cast Kevin Costner with digital aging (and shrinking) as Indy's son.
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fuckk all this..all i need is the dark knight trailer tommorrow!!!
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i couldnt even get watch this trailer..i dont have a widescreen or know how to configure it for my monitor
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indy 4 will rock. bet on that.
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I can't remember if it was on here or some other board, but somebody was whining about the scene in the trailer where Indy jumps from one truck to the other, saying that he was pissed off that you could clearly tell it was a stunt man rather than Ford.
Well, that guy must have better eyes than me. I transferred the HD trailer to my laptop, hooked it up to my projector on a 106" screen and moved through that bit of the trailer frame by frame. And you know what? I could swear that Ford actually did that jump. He may have had a wire attached or something (though I couldn't tell that at all), but you can see his face through most of the jump and landing when he knocks one of the bad guys out of the truck he lands in and there's no cuts, and it sure as hell looks like Ford's face AND body. There's one frame in particular where you can clearly see it's Ford's face.
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But this just...doesn't look right. What happened to the look of film??? Why does Ford look like CGI or something in the action shots? What is with the look of this film? So busy but so little going on...I'll hold out and of course see it...but something just isn't right with this flick...as a bookend, it just looks aesthetically entirely different and weird compared to all of them. No film grain...meh.
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are shia labeuf!
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thanks for clearing that up hek, i was so worried it wasnt ford and it was affecting my decision on going to see the movie or not. and as for dickbloods comment..you actually think indy4 looks unpredictable??? ...its been the same story for 3 films! Well, in my opinion the TDK looks a hell of alot more unconventional and unpredicatble..the sad thing is that I think the joker was supposed to be carried on to the next sequel..that maybe old news but still sucks since heath is gone.
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The horse-to-truck jump(along with the under the truck and pulled behind stunt) were performed by the master stuntman Terry Leonard. However, your point is well taken, as the editing of Raiders by Michael Kahn is so seamless you'd be hard pressed to know it. And Ford did do a shitload of the stunts in the film himself.
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of course but what happens after the showdown , you have no clue..
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Indy finds the artifact, gets the girl, kicks ass, and says "shit" at least once.
Batman beats the bad guy, mopes a lot and does deep, philosophical voiceovers.
STFU already. This isn't a dick measuring contest between TDK and KotCS.
Step back from the bashing for a minute and realize you're watching the trailer for the 4th Indiana Jones movie. Fuck, people!
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Apparently Mutt is a prep student bored with the academic life and into motorcycles and being a rebel. But his great skill is his fencing ability which he uses against Irina in a duel. I read that off the back of his action figure on sale at Target today. Does the release of merchadise count as spoiler material?
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Lethargic? In its action, pacing and editing? It seemed kinda...slow, dull. No enthusiasm. Just kinda...blah. Still will go and see it for the nostalgia of it. : )
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Am I reading you wrong or was that an attempt at sarcasm. My point was not how important it is or isn't that it is really is Ford making the jump. My point was that if it's a stuntman, it isn't obvious, which is what some people have suggested. In other words, people who are whining that the stunts are more obviously a stuntman than in previous movies and that it takes you out of the world of the movie are whining about nothing.
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yea i hear ya.. it doesnt hurt me too much... the first die hard was full of those and that movie kicked ass!
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May 03, 2008 11:07:18 PM CDT
ever ntice the stuntman for eddie murphy in bh cop1?
by larrythecableguy
when he gets thrown over the table. he's awesome.
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Hey,
Yeah, I'm aware that Terry Leonard did the jump from horse to truck and under the truck stunt - though Harrison Ford did actually do part of the pulled behind the truck bit.
My point, as I said to huggerorange, is really just that the use of a stuntman in this film doesn't seem any more obvious than any of the previous films. If anything, it seems like it may be even more seamless ... if that's possible. I just really don't get the complaints. I've watched the teaser, tv spots and trailer on my projector in HD and I can't tell in the least if it's a stuntman rather than Ford. In fact, at that size and resolution it certainly looks to me like it really is Ford in all the action sequences in the trailers.
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May 03, 2008 11:11:15 PM CDT
I fucking love Last Crusade. Awesome movie but TOD > Last Crusad
by proman1984
Any Action sequence in TOD is better than any action sequence ANYWHERE.
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if you're not fucking with us all that's the dumbest goddamn idea I've heard since the microwave machine from Batman Begins. It's official, fuck Spielberg and fuck Lucas. But most importantly fuck LeButtfuck for taking this role. What a cocksucker. It also signals that it will be the same fucking schtick from this prick. I'm not paying for this shit and I'm betting their's a lot of other people thinking the same. God bless BT.
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Did LaBeouf try to fuck your blow-up girlfriend, or what? ;)
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This talk is still going.
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Temple of Doom is and always will be the best.. Raiders comes second and Last Crusade dead last. There was a sense of real danger that I felt for the characters while watching Doom.. The scene where Indy and Short-round were trapped in the cave with the spike wall shrinking on them is a classic. Willy being dropped into the pit of death is another. The movie was amazing and as a kid, it was my favorite movie of all time. On Beta-max, I watched Temple of Doom over and over...
The Last Crusade was simply cheesy.. There was no sense of danger, even in the end when he was going thru the traps. Raiders of the Lost Ark was much more entertaining than Last Crusade and I do hope this Crystal Skull movie isn't worse than Last Crusade.. Shia Lebouf as Indy's son is a nice touch and bringing Marion back is also a good idea for nostalgia. It would be cool if Short-Round and Willy make a guest appearance somewhere in the film as well.. Also, I do hope the whole ALien theme doesn't go overboard cheesy on this one and E.T. show's up in the end or all the characters are crying because the aliens have to leave.. -
Oh I understand what you're saying shit for brains. I understand it completely. It's just that you're a complete and utter fucking tool that whacks off to Shia in the privacy of his parents basement. So you go back to letting your dog lick your taint as you jackoff to your gay jew transformer porn and shut the flying fuck up.
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I'll probably throw up right there in the theater. We've already been treated to one deadbeat dad with a bastard son *cough* Superman, now Indie may be a deadbeat beat dad? I can definately buy the part about Shia being a bastard though.
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actually I caught him at your house tagging your dad in the ass as he was bent over the couch on my way up the stairs to soil your mother with the seed of my loins. She's a filthy whore that woman! ;)
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There's a reason I chose the screename I did. It's in tribute to not ony the sterling work done by the stuntmen in the Jones pics(Leonard, Martin Grace,Vic Armstrong, Glenn Randall), but to the seamlessness of their integration through the skill of Spielberg, Douglas Slocombe and Michael Kahn.
I had the pleasure of meeting Terry Leonard a while ago(a friend was part of the car crew on Fast And The Furious: Tokyo Drift). The guy looks like he's been through three wars, and could still kick the shit out of anyone half his age. And a real gentleman, too.
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the last time I checked the dictionary for the word pussy there was a picture of a pimple faced jack off dressed as Princess Leia being fucked in the ass by a dude dressed as a storm trooper. Obviously we've found out who that shit nugget was. Congratulations on being the PC twat monger of the year you human queef.
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Or Walmart or whatever store you want. I read the back of a few of the action figures and combined, they pretty much spell out the whole movie.
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Oh, I'm staying far away from this one my friend until we all get some feedback on how LeDouche turns out. I don't want to ruin the good will Iron Man has engendered with a shitastic rendition of IJ and his bastard offspring. After the last few years with these two "geniuses" running amok I don't put anything past either one of them. This could be entirely shitty.
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Awwwwww shit, I knew it. I fucking knew it. It's going to be the same shit he's always done. So this guy is a tool but a 1958 tool that tries to play himself off as Brando. Jesus, someone retire Spielberg please. That scene with him dressed as Johnny Strabler is even worse now. Unbelievable... I'm glad you said something though, I might've spent money to watch this drivel.
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The aforementioned tank scene by K229:
The tank scene is as sloppy a scene as you'll find in Last Crusade from a story perspective. It pretty much falls apart the instant Indy falls off the tank. Tied up by his own sidebag, Indy doesn't save himself with ingenuity like the truck chase in Raiders. He basically stares in fear at an incoming cliff wall until by luck, a ricochet kills the driver and by chance causes him to avoid being crushed. Then using a clever assist from Spielberg's editing, escapes the clutches of his sidebag so he can knock out the Nazi with the shovel and give Connery the opportunity to provide the climactic, completely out of context pun "You call this archaeology?" Laughter ensues, and then the situation is resolved with a cliffhanger (literally) which is irrelevant to the main story. The truck scene is Raiders ended with Indy in possession of the ark. The tank scene in Crusade ends with a chance for Connery to lament the loss of his son which he backpedals on anyways. Then the plot picks up again. -
that last crusade is too much a rip off of raiders
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Change a few words and names and you could write up a similar review of the marketplace scene in "Raiders." All the pseudo-cinematic analysis in the world can't undo the fact that the scene is ENTERTAINING. And I would argue that Connery's grief when he thinks he's lost Indy is a real turning point, and his "backpedaling" is nothing of the sort. It's typical male masking, and it works. The end result of the scene is that Henry and Brody are rescued and free to continue the adventure. What other rescue scenes in film history are you going to write off as irrelevant?
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until the news of a new indy was made, i'd never once heard or read about anyone disliking crusade and now suddenly so many people claim to have never liked it. sorta reminds me of when the star wars special editions came out, before that you heard nothing but geeky praise for the originals, jedi included. but then once these special editions came, all these people suddenly said how they always hated or least liked jedi the least for whatever reason. its fun watching lemmings.
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I gave your post some thought and agree that at least the scene IS entertaining. My gripe with that scene is that the truck scene made me believe Indy was a resourceful badass. The tank scene made me think Indy was lucky. And that is a very different emotional reaction and should have been caught in the screenwriting phase.
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The appeal of Indy is that he's more of a regular guy. He's a professor. He's not Arnie.
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except for the lemmings part it's a disney lie! i just read that recently.
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I remember that too. In Clerks, Dante says he prefers Empire to which Randall responds "blasphemy" and that was accurate of the time. I remember everyone loving the action packed ending of Jedi to the downer cliffhanger of Empire. Then suddenly it was all Ewok hatred and Jedi jumped the shark etc etc. I remember when Jedi was out, we all loved the Ewoks, bought all the figures and dressed as them for Halloween. That said, my hatred of Last Crusade grew slowly over the years but even in the theater, i remember being in 8th grade and feeling weird about Indy surviving by luck as opposed to ingenuity.
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did you have Pomp and Circumstance playing in the background as you wrote that shit or have you been working on your manifesto for quite a while now?
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While I agree that Indy was lucky when the tank veered back out into the open, sometimes people DO get lucky. I didn't find it took away from his badass resourcefulness in the rest of the scene. How about when he leads the tank into a blind turn to collide with one of the Nazi cars? How about when he picks up that rock and sticks it in the gun and then makes himself an easy target to that gun so it will backfire and explode? How about the coolness of him riding his horse up onto the ledge and then jumping from it onto the moving tank and then giving Vogel that "I'm gonna kill ya" look?
I LOVE the truck scene in Raiders, and the under the truck bit is awesome, but I don't really find it to be more resourceful or badass than the stuff he does in the LC tank scene. And most of the rest of the Raiders truck scene is just fights in the cab that, as good as it is, I don't find is any better than the multiple LC fights on the tank.
Yes, the magically unsticking bag thing is a bit annoying, but I think you're selling the totality of the scene short by a long shot.
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we'll ALL be there opening weekend, and I'm sure we'll all buy the DVD, even if we claim to hate it, so why all the bitching?
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You all can't be serious. Here's a fact: a good trailer does not necessarily translate into a good film; a bad trailer doesn't mean the film is going to be bad, etc. also, if you're so busy studying audience reaction, you're not paying very close attention to the actual trailer. Clapping, and woo-hooing is meaningless because most of these geeks have pre-meditated it to show off their geekiness, and that they are geekier than all the other geeks who are clapping and screaming while looking around for reaction and listening to how quiet the audience is, and didn't even see half the trailer. Lucas is the ultimate geek, and the geek religion is nostalgia. Lucas should learn from the major theme of the new Narnia film: you can't go back. Time to move on to better things. This Indy film was a bad idea, much like the Star Wars prequels. The Last Crusade was the perfect last film, and now will be tainted by this crap.
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It's still Indiana frickin Jones rising up from a tank with the music swelling. So yeah, it's still entertaining. I was just making a point that on the whole Last Crusade was sloppy and flawed compared to Raiders and gave my example of the scene I hated the most. So to end my postings more fairly tonight I'll share the one thing I hate about Raiders...
INDY (high, nasally voice): It's a date. You eat 'em! -
...it may just be the 3 scotch's I just had at Whiskey Bar...but I think that trailer was a decent time. I'm excited. Who else is excited!??! C'mon Harrison, let's go burn one down!!!
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In a way I wish I hadn't seen this trailer ... I'm already hyped enough. This is the sort of trailer that worries me a little when I watch it, that nagging fear that I'm foreseeing the movie through a tinted filter of marketing well polished to push my buttons. I loved Raiders beginning to end, enjoyed ToD as a plain thrill ride although it had some problems, but think LC would have been a near-total disaster had it not been for the Ford-Connery chemistry. So what worries me is that the editing of this trailer evokes a lot of memories of Raiders but if I stop and listen to the cheesy lines, it uncomfortably reminds me of LC.
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...MAN...how many people did I piss off with that post!?! But no really, he was the thing that pissed me off the LEAST about that flick. I think he's a good actor, even back to his FREAKS and GEEKS walk on role...I was all set to HATE his ass in Transformers and I found him to be alright...that movie though....WHEW!!! That movie SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED.
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May 04, 2008 2:29:35 AM CDT
so indy and marion give birth to a little dustin hoffman?
by ironic_name
hey-hey do that hebrew thing!
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is shia!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =QGgLZFdINpg
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youtube.com/watch?v=8IXCK1EyP4s
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oh yeah.. hmm - maybe shia isn't the worst choice for mutt.
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Seriously. I can't understand the hate for Temple of Doom.
Just admit it. You're 12 yrs old and when you first saw the high priest screaming "Kalimahhhh! Kalimahhhh!" as he ripped the heart out of that poor bastard you shit yourself. Period.
Don't deny it. Just accept it for what it is. That is one of your first crush moments with a movie.
Why? Because no one else filmed that kinda shit and got away with it, that's why. Everyone in the audience shit themselves. And they loved it. -
Iron Man when I saw it, because moments before there was a clip on the screen suggesting people not add their own soundtrack with chatter, cell phones, and screaming babies.
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May 04, 2008 2:58:09 AM CDT
"Everyone in the audience shit themselves. And they loved it."
by boromir
Unlike so many other angry little geeks here, I have no interest in being snide. I'm just popping in to say that when I read this line, milehikrakho, I got a mental image of Dana Carvey's Grumpy Old Man character telling a story about a big, smelly, collective orgasmic bowel movement. And probably because I'm sleep-deprived enough to be hallucinating, I loved it.
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In the pouring rain uphill. Both ways! And we loved it! You little whippersnappers don't know how good you've got it these days...*cough*
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Lucas: "We don't need the money. We're only going to get aggravation. The fans think it's gonna be the Second Coming. And it's not the Second Coming. They've already written the story [in their heads], and lemme tell ya, it's not that story. So they're going to be very disappointed. I went through this with Phantom Menace. Believe me, I've been there, I've done it, I know exactly the way they react. And they're very vocal about these things. We're not gonna have adoring fans sending us e-mails saying how much they loved the movie. We're gonna have a bunch of angry people saying, 'You're a bunch of assholes, you should never have done this. You've ruined my life forever. I loved Indiana Jones so much and now it's ruined.' And all that kind of stuff."Then Spielberg, bless his little heart, chimes in with some immediate damage control:"Uh, he needs to speak for himself here.[Laughter all around] You need to put in parentheses 'George Lucas is totally speaking for himself.' And I absolve myself of any connection with that last statement about fans not liking it."Is it just me, or does it sound like the respective confidence levels of these two are just a liiitle bit shaky?
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I think the trailer is spot on. The cinematography is perfect and the dialogue hit the right note for me. Allen's dubbing seemed a little off in the truck but that's a minor quibble.
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Sounds to me like Lucus is still smarting from the combination of negative and underwhelmed responses he received when he laid the first turd of the new SW trilogy. And the sighs, shrugs, and resignation with which fans met the following two abominations. It's amazing to me that he still hasn't figured out why those films failed so miserably on every level that actually counts. The man gave us Citizen Kane remade as an 80s-style sitcom starring Emmanuel Lewis, and can't figure out why people were hating on him. That's pretty much a sure sign that he should never, ever have creative control over anything ever again.
Spielberg, on the other hand, doesn't sound as though he has that same confidence problem--he just sounds as though he's interested in distancing himself from the bitter bundle of talentless neuroses that defines Lucas these days. Spielberg's recent films haven't been unqualified triumphs, but they certainly haven't been turkeys either. I'm hopeful for this project because of his involvement. It's what Lucas SHOULD have had when he was making SW I, II, and III--someone who actually had the power and balls and authority to say, "No, George, that's a stupid, stupid idea and this dialog is really, really bad, there's no way this is going to happen without some significant modification. And I will scuttle this whole thing if you insist on using Jake Lloyd because the kid's acting sucks enough to ruing the movie all by itself." -
and was that a Ninja Zombie!!!?
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that I cant wipe the smile from my face and I just had a small amount of pee dribble down my thigh.
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"Citizen Kane remade as an 80s-style sitcom starring Emmanuel Lewis"... LMFAO! That, my good man, is a classic 90 degrees-counter-to-generic-observations, WAY outside the box piece of insight. Well written, sir.Yeah, Lucas totally misjudged the rising power of fan discontent via the Internet coinciding with the SW Prequels. True, he did scale back the abomination known as "Jar Jar" in the last two prequels to appease us, but other than that he stood firm... and made himself look like the "asshole" he aforementioned. To admit that a fanbase of MILLIONS (people, not $) perhaps better understood what made the Star Wars movies great--- all those little parts adding up to a sum much greater than their whole--- would have been an irreparable loss of face.You're right... Spielberg knows better. He never took a two-decade hiatus from directing as Lucas did. But, just from seeing the trailer in front of "Iron Man"... I fear the magic is gone. I saw "Raiders" in the theatre during its initial release, and it was flat-out astonishing. Saw the next two IJ movies as well--- both servicable sequels, if not exactly jaw-dropping. But, with that template firmly in place... "Crystal Skull" can only be measured against the preceding three. Viewing it as a stand-alone movie isn't even an option. I fear it will fall flat, or damn near.You're dead right about Lucas and his poisoning of the Prequels. A first-grader busy with fingerpainting has better creative instincts that he did. He partially redeemed himself with ROTS, but even THAT was a tad bit cartoonish, when it should have played out like a Greek tragedy.
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May 04, 2008 6:19:37 AM CDT
I thought both the TDK and Indy trailers were steps backward
by interficium
Both had really weak endings: TDK: Dent's cornball line about living to see yourself become a villain, then a... montage of Lamborghini jump-cut shots? Indy: Terrible sequence with Indy in the car with the rocket launcher that just totally fell flat. Too much Shia, etc.Though I really liked the "here's my card" line in TDK's trailer, the rest of Joker's dialogue kind of threw me, seemed a little too... sane-sounding? We'll see.
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http://tinyurl.com/3wqnl7Enjoy!
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And the Notorious Hatin' Patrol is still at it on this one like a junkyard dog on a steak. Step away from the keyboard, lads. There are beers to drinks, wives to have sexual relations with, turds to pinch off and movies you think you might actually enjoy to watch.
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On one level I can't blame Lucas for being so cynical. Granted the prequels sucked, but instead of just critiquing them as bad movies people went absolutely hysterical. The whole "Lucas raped my childhood" thing was ridiculous and fed into the worst stereotypes of geeks. They sucked so feel free to make fun of them or pick them apart but don't act like those films ruined your life. Lucas should really just stay away from message boards.
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is fucking weak sauce . looking forward to the flick but it really don't stand a chance against Indy .i do love how this site hypes up all the comic book movies though..."sick beauty " my ass mori.
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This movie will own.
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May 04, 2008 10:06:44 AM CDT
I'm curious which movie will rock this summer the most
by motoko kusanagi
Batman, Indy, err....are there others?
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...after it's 2nd weekend. All you pillow-biters who think otherwise should kill yourselves now and avoid the embarrassment.
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By the end of the 2nd weekend it will be well over $200 million. The sky is the limit here.
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Looks like an amazing movie!
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when he sticks to no-nonsense raw action like duel or jaws, he does it well like so many other action directors. but when he tries to "grow" as a filmmaker by attempting serious things trying to be with the big boys like coppola, scorsese, it comes off amateurish, sappy, workmanstyle. He's been going down the shitter when he attempted Close Encounters.
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The fuck you know about real serious film you asswipe fuckwit cuntrag?
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That was a bit extreme, but you can't really blame me.
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And a tad amusing that the "Iron Man" crowd laughed at this trailer...but I suppose 300 girlfriend-less man-boys know what they're talking about.
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Here is the IQ breakdown for comic book character superfans. 1. Fans of the Incredible BobbyFischer=IQ 200. 2. Fans of SuperNietzche and VoltaireBoy=IQ 140 3. Fans of Spiderman=IQ 115. 4. Fans of Superman=IQ 90. 5. Fans of Batman=IQ 20.
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You sincerely, for truly hurt my feelings with that comment. I feel that my abilities as a filmmaker supersede that of Michael Bay or other action film directors. Did you ever manage to see E.T.: The Extraterrestrial? When Elliot said goodbye to E.T., did that tug at your heartstrings? And what of Schindler's List? Did that not also tug at your heartstrings? Remember that part where I had that little girl with the red coat walk by? Surely that tugged at your heartstrings? Please write back. Your pen pal, Steven Spielberg
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i never liked last crusade. I love temple of doom and don't understand all the hate that gets...I fucking love raiders and I am very excited about this film ....
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but still no need for namecalling proman. danny glover, i thought spielberg's heights never reached scorsese's heights. btw harrigon in predator 2 was da bomb yo.
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I said I'd see it. Watch the old trailers on YouTube. It's like watching the prequels vs original Star Wars. It just doesn't look right. I hope it's a fucking great movie. I ain't no hater- I'm commenting on the visuals. I guess we've entered the HD Indy era and that is a bit jarring. It's not like I sit around watching the old movies all the time. It's just so shiny and new. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. http://youtube.com/watch?v=PYNTV61FeAs
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I saw it first time before iron man and it is the first film in the longest time that actually felt like... well, an indiana jones type film. That angle track shot of the truck and then the russians coming into fram along side and firing their guns.... thats fucking classic speilberg. the man still has it, and while i noted a lot of lucas style visual effects, you gotte remind yourself, it was these films that created and gave credence to such effects. I don't care what anyone else thinks, I think this looks gret, and im still in the dark on the actual story and plot and thats awesome! side note, watch the trailer for last crusade and between that and the finished film i think we can get a fair idea of just how dense and complex this new film will actually be. can't wait. Dark knight will not beat it.
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I don't think SS and GL's comments indicate a lack of confidence in their movie. I think they realize that even the slightest hint of self-praise or overconfidence in their film will result in backlash. So, they are biting their lips and trying to keep the hype machine cranked down. I don't blame them -- under-promising and over-delivering are always the best way to go about one's work.
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I'd say the worst thing the internet has spawned is the pathetic group of pessimists and cynics. There's a new Indiana Jones coming out in just a few weeks and people are more concerned with the type of laugh the trailer got or if the theater was too quiet or if the film looks old enough or if its as good as The Dark Knight or whatever other pointless and meaningless discussion they feel like starting just to hear themselves type and feel badass for going against the grain. People laughed at the trailer? Good. THese are comedic films (yes, Raiders too). Theater too quiet? I am an Indy fanatic and didn't feel the need to scream or cheer outloud like some school girl. Film doesn't look old enough, jesus, it isn't. As good as TDK? Who cares. Can't wait to see either. I happen to be an Indy fan so I'm looking forward to it more. Youa re a Batman fan? Congrats on having a new film - it looks good - great. All I know is a new Indy movie is coming out and if its at least as enjoyable as the others, then I am happy. Do I give a flining shit if its number 1? Nope. Some of you need to go outside, go for a hike or to the park or play some ball. Get away from your computers. Do yourself and others a favor because you are just ruining it for yourselves.
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May 05, 2008 11:44:44 AM CDT
Scorsese is unwotthy to be even in the same sentence and Spielbe
by proman1984
There are more interesting visual ideas in Minority Report than in hise entire filmography. And let's just say that Scorsese never fully mastered camera movements and his angles are jarring and overrated.
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was a bit extreme there
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In total agreement with your thoughts on the trailer. That tracking shot was spectacular, classic Spielberg, and I love how little of the plot is revealed. Why should they reveal more? It's a new Indy movie; people are going to be there. SS and GL know what they're doing.I just watched Raiders again this past Friday, and I tell ya what, if I'm right in my speculation, the Crystal Skull aims to wrap up the mysteries of the Ark. It won't be a stand-alone story. I believe the idea behind Skull is "everything happens for a reason." Indy doesn't believe in superstitious nonsense or a lot of hocus pocus. There's a reason for the powers of the Ark and it’s scientific in nature - not mystical. That's what Lucas meant when he said Indy 4 will be similar to Phantom Menace. As with the Force and midichlorians, it will be revealed that there is a scientific explanation for these mystical happenings. Looks like aliens are responsible for all of these ancient artifacts and early great civilizations. Lucas has been toying with that premise for a long time, and though it will likely piss a lot of people off, I think it means we're in store for another great cinematic treat.Watch Raiders and look for all the possible tie-ins to the new film; I guarantee your juices will get flowing for Crystal Skull. Pay special attention to the scene where the FBI agents discuss the Ark with Indy and Brody at the university, the staff of Ra and the model of Tanis on the floor, Bellock's explanation of what the Ark is, and of course Marian!I doubt we'll see Raiders ever top itself. It's that rare successful blend of drama, action, and comedy. But I’ve no doubt Crystal Skull will be grander in scale than any of the previous three films, and full of surprises. Did anyone notice John Hurt in the trailer? Yet more great casting!
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I thought the same thing when I watched it, and even paused it on line to make sure. I think Sean Patrick "Young Indy" Flanery is in the movie. Question is, as what? A flashback? A totally unreleated character?
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I seem to have touched a nerve with the retards of the TB. Surely even you can understand the difference between sensible concerns and cynical, pathetic nonsense. Oh...wait, just reread your posts. So you can't tell the difference. Oh well, work on that will you? Surely someone with such a damn fine username could see how pointless SOME of these arguments are!? Too many people hear are just trying to be negative for the fuck of it all, knowing full well they don't even buy their own bullshit and will be in that theater seat opening day. They are fooling anyone. BTW, by your logic, how boring would these TBs be if sensible folk like me weren't here to call these fools out on there BS? Seriously though, the username?...hilarious.
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...what I dont get is when people passionately insist that one film will "beat" another. "Indy IV will kill TDK!" Um, okay, fine. Maybe it will and maybe it won't, but 1) high box office grosss does not automatically = "good movie" and 2)they aren't really in competition with each other from a moviefan perspective. Yes, they are products of competing studios who arguably want as much box office share for their tentpoles this summer as possible. But 1) they are being released almost 2 months apart, which is practically in different seasons these days (how many films are still playing in more than 1,000 theaters these days after 8 weeks from opening?) And 2) as a consumer who's only stake int he movie is really enjoying it enough to substantiate paying to see it in the theater, what does box office gross have to do with it? It's not like the yanks vs red Sox where they are in direct competition and only one can lose when they play each other. But, it's one of those arguments that makes AICN, "AICN".
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Even with a new Indy flick coming out, TDK is by far my most anticipated summer film and the newest trailer was pretty godamn amazing. However, the film also looks incredibly adult and I can't imagine that it will be viewed as a family film once word of mouth hits. It honestly looks like an R rated film slightly trimmed and given how borderline BB was I think TDK will be pretty offensive to some parents looking for a goofy, campy time at the movies. Personally, I hope it does very well but the look of the Joker alone makes it look like something no child should see.
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dickblood thinks making jokes about Ledger's passing is funny or edgy or whatever. He's an asshole and probably a little bitch in the real world.
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May 05, 2008 4:03:20 PM CDT
Wild One reference would sit better with a different actor
by drewlicious
I've got nothing against Shia, he's pretty good and entertaining to watch, but even making an homage to Brando is a bit much. The kid's a runt, Brando was a powerhouse.
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but something about the trailers for this makes me extremely nervous. Guess you could say, "I've got a bad feeling about this"
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but something about the trailers for this makes me extremely nervous. Guess you could say, "I've got a bad feeling about this"
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Much much tinnier than Danny Glover's.
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huge spoilers.......
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again outmanuvering his enemies, indy nearly brings the warehouse downas the russians make off with their stolen prize. in the midst of a great chase, jones catches a glimples of the ark of the covenant (an earlier aquition of his stored in this secret place,) before finding himself on the hood of colonel dovchenko's jeep. it's a wild ride to a railroad flatcar, which has jet engines crudely bolted onto it's deck.
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even as a jeep of russian soldiers draws nearer to them, indy grapples with dovchenko on the railway flatcar. suddenly the car's jet engines roar to life, sending a blast of rippling white fire erupting out of the back of the rocket sled. this devastating blast incinerates the oncoming russians. blowing up their jeep in the process. -
and i've only seen 20 or so.
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