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Capone Lubes Up IRON MAN!!

Published at:  May 01, 2008 9:12:39 AM CDT

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Hey all. Capone in Chicago here.


On the day I saw Iron Man for what I'm sure will be the first of several times, there was a serious chance that it was going to snow here in Chicago. So while many other critics have been talking about how summer has arrived a little bit earlier than normal as far as movies are concerned, I choose to look at the release of Iron Man as marking the early arrival of Christmas.

I wonder if it's any coincidence that the two best superhero franchises feature billionaires without any actual super powers--Batman and now Iron Man. The difference between the two titles is easily recognizable: whereas Batman's training, spiritual preparation, and costume design are largely done off-camera or in a slick montage, the element of director Jon Favreau's latest work that I found most enjoyable is that Iron Man's origin feels more like an actual birth--it's painful, messy, there's even a placenta-like goo deep down in the chest cavity that holds the device keeping him alive. But I'm jumping ahead…


By now you probably know all you need to about the film's set up in Afghanistan and about a certain playboy/weapons manufacturer named Tony Stark (played to cocky perfection by Robert Downey Jr.). If you don't know much about the set up, it's probably because you don't want to, and that's actually admirable. I saw two of the summer's most anticipated films on the day I saw Iron Man, and my biggest complaint about the day in general was how much of the cool footage from both films I'd already seen online or in commercials. Granted, part of that is my own fault for seeking this stuff out, but the studios should consider that holding back the best stuff isn't a crime.

But I digress. It's one thing to see the birth if Iron Man out of a cave in Afghanistan taking out terrorists (most of whom are armed to the teeth with weapons from Stark Industries) on a computer screen or in television commercial; it's quite another thing to see it accompanied by the roar of hundreds of die-hard fans. The first thing you notice about the film's use of special effects is that you hardly notice them at all. In many other films, it's so easy to spot the CGI that it's distracting. But in Iron Man, I literally could not tell what was practical and what was digital 95 percent of the time; this made it a lot easier to simply give myself over the story and terrific acting without feeling distracted.


And how about that acting?

The other thing that the latest Batman films and Iron Man have in common is that they actually bother to cast talented actors even in the supporting roles, and not simply resort to casting the prettiest young faces who probably don't cost as much to hire. It actually cracks me up to think that the average age of the major players in the Iron Man cast is probably over 40. But age not withstanding, I can't imagine a better cast, one that never stopped surprising me. Terrence Howard plays the wide-eyed military liaison to Stark Industries Jim Rhodes, who clearly gets a serious case of suit envy when he discovers his friend's secret; Gwyneth Platrow is sharp as Stark's faithful, fearless assistant Pepper Potts; and I was particularly excited about Clark Gregg's small but essential role as a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, someone I'm guessing that we'll see a lot more of in coming sequels. If I had one major quibble about Iron Man it would be Jeff Bridges take on long-time Stark mentor and soon-to-be villain Iron Monger Obadiah Stane. His performance and look scream "Villain!" from the second we see him on screen. But Jeff Bridges in any movie is always a bit better than a movie without him, so I'll give his hammy persona a pass.


And then there's Downey, who begins the film getting kidnapped by Afghani terrorists and forced to create a version of Stark Industries' most recent weapon of mass destruction. Instead, Stark creates Version 1.0 of his Iron Man costume, a clunky body armor that looks like it was made out of the bulkhead of an old submarine. It's magnificent, ugly, and beautiful at the same time, and it's loaded with just enough firepower to get him out of his bind. But Stark returns to the states a changed man, one who is determined to make sure that his weapons don't fall into the hands of people who would use them against American troops. The stock value in Stark Industries begins to plummet after an impromptu press conference that Tony holds to announce the dismantling of his weapons division.


My favorite scenes in Iron Man are the extended sequences in which he builds and test drives his high-tech armor, complete with a chest-embedded power source/electromagnet to keep shrapnel from entering his heart and killing him instantly. Favreau spends a surprisingly long time on this section of the film, and as much as it may delay the action just a little bit longer than the Action Movie Rulebook might dictate, I was really impressed with just how entertaining it can be watching a genius at work--tinkering, welding, designing, and, of course, learning to fly. It's during this sequence that we first hear the voice in Stark's head.

Paul Bettany gives voice to the personality-laden computer that Stark communicates with inside that magnificent helmet. I loved seeing inside Iron Man's helmet both through his eyes and looking upon Downey's face as his eyes examine diagnostic images and analysis of the world around him. Everything about the "learning" phase of the plot is interesting, and as much as I thought it was cool to see Peter Parker discover the extent of his powers in Spider-Man, his instinct and Spider Sense was going to get him there anyway. What Stark must learn does not come naturally; sometimes it's an outright disaster, especially when it comes to flying. It's funny, sure, but it's also like watching the Wright Brothers first few attempts at building that first working aircraft.


Even the climactic battle sequence is sloppy, since neither hero nor villain has much experience in their respective costumes. The relatively short fight between Iron Man and Iron Monger is filled with loud, clanging punches; an exchange of ammunition; and a lot of scuff and scorch marks on their pretty armor. It's one of the ugliest action scenes in recent history, and I don't mean that in a bad way. These two opponents aren't necessarily built to look cool while kicking the shit out of each other. Sure Iron Man has some hot-rod-red paint on his armor so he looks a little cooler. But you still get the sense that if one of these guys fell on their backs, they'd have a tough time getting up again without a crane.


I wouldn't call what John Favreau is attempting to do with Iron Man "realism," but he certainly succeeds in making his Stark/Iron Man character one of the most well-rounded, fully formed superheroes the movies have ever seen. He's also given his characters weigh, both physically and emotionally. When Iron Man walks, the room vibrates; when Tony Stark speaks, people listen.

And I could not love more how the film ends, virtually guaranteeing a sequel not with a cliffhanger, but with a promise of better things to come--better villains, more character development (I'm guessing Stark's love of scotch will take us down a road to alcoholism as the comics did), a deeper connection to that mysterious government agency, and we'll see just where Terrence Howard's line at seeing a spare Iron Man costume "Next time, baby" takes us. The greatest thing Iron Man can give us is the desire to see where the character will go next, and on that level, this film is a monumental success.

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    Readers Talkback

  • May 01, 2008 8:40:47 AM CDT

    first

    by the_raftaman

  • May 01, 2008 8:41:14 AM CDT

    universal love from AICN...

    by just pillow talk

    I'm thinking this movie actually deserves it though...

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  • May 01, 2008 8:44:40 AM CDT

    Too Much Information!

    by penguinslide

    Seriously, a spoiler-free review should guarantee not a single specific thing mentioned about the last act of a film. You're giving exact quotes, man.

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  • May 01, 2008 8:45:11 AM CDT

    It was great

    by rocklover79

  • May 01, 2008 8:52:31 AM CDT

    This WILL kick the dark knights ass.

    by underoos hero

    Notice I didn't give the dark knight capital letters?

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  • May 01, 2008 8:54:21 AM CDT

    Sick of "ARAB" villians. Cliche.

    by evilwizardglick

    I'm so fucking sick of middle easterners as the villians. How about fucking Mossad as the bad guys? Or the original Chinese?
    Matter of fact didn't the original Chinese capture of Stark set the stage for the Mandarin? Iron Mans equal but opposite.
    I watched one review that didn't seem to realize ALL the Iron Man suits from original fugly gray to the "Golden" Avenger to Red and Gold were on display in the film.

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  • May 01, 2008 8:55:23 AM CDT

    By the way was that an Anal lube?

    by evilwizardglick

    With all the paid handjobs around here one has to wonder about this particular lube.

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  • May 01, 2008 8:58:29 AM CDT

    RighteousBrother

    by v for vienetta

    Don't worry about it. Empire suck and I can vouch for Iron Man's awesome-ness having watched it last night. When a British audience at a free preview screening, with no cast etc. in attendance, spontaneously cheer and applaud at the end you've done something very right.

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  • May 01, 2008 8:59:17 AM CDT

    So, the most important question...

    by popparotzi

    ...is "Ironman" by Black Sabbath in the movie, or what???????

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  • May 01, 2008 8:59:55 AM CDT

    DUDE WHAT THE FUCK .. WHY SPOIL SO MUCH ?

    by jeanluc dickhard

    NOT cool ....not cool at all

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  • May 01, 2008 8:59:56 AM CDT

    Best Marvel Movie So Far

    by the funketeer

    I love the first two Spidey's but this one is so faithful to the comic, and in a good way, that it's hard not to recognize that being faithful to the source material is the way to go with these things. Hopefully, this will kick off another, better, wave of superhero movies. I loved all the nods to the greater Marvel Universe and I'm curious to see how they'll handle the Mandarin if that's the direction they decide to go in.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:08:23 AM CDT

    Hey Capone.

    by underoos hero

    Anyway you can post the Iron Man movie cliff notes .pdf for us? Thanks dude. Peace

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  • May 01, 2008 9:15:07 AM CDT

    I agree with Empire

    by jackbauer24

    Safe, predictable and uninspired.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:19:49 AM CDT

    Underoos Hero, please just shut the fuck up.

    by thelastcleric

    We all get that your tiny little mind can't possibly grasp the fact that BOTH TDK and Iron Man can occupy the same space and both can be very good films. Whatever your personal beef with TDK is, you come off like a whiny little cunt. Go suck Burton's cock again, little fella; it'll make you feel better.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:23:44 AM CDT

    I agree with JackBauer24

    by spencertrilby

    I just can't believe how the AICN people can give that mediocre superhero flick a pass. Oh, yeah... I forgot... Favs' and Downey are onboard so it HAS to be good? Seriously, that was full of noise and 'splosions but that is all.

    A shitty SHIELD running gag, campy one-liners and a few holograms are NOT what creates myth. Last time I checked Favreau was adamant in keeping the sci-fi/espionage tone right, and he screwed it big time. It's just a mindless action flick (not unlike Transformers) with a hammy cast and no redeeming value except that "Favreau's a true geek! Geek powah!!!!" bullshit stance.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:24:06 AM CDT

    The midwest sucks for snow

    by abominable snowcone

    If you're getting it in Chicago, we'll probably get some in Cleveland tomorrow. It's no surprise when it snows in Ohio anywhere between October and May. We've had MLB baseball opening days snowed out more than once. If there is such a thing as greenhouse effect, it ain't happening quickly enough for me.
    I didn't read this review--I'm seeing the movie tonight and feel I know enough without risking spoilers or revelations.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:24:14 AM CDT

    But Islamic terrorists are the villains

    by sithdan

    Who attacked us on 9/11? Who's suicide bombing the crap out of our troops in Iraq? One of the reasons I didn't like that movie Sum of All Fears was that it crapped out and gave us right-wing extremist terrorists, virtually ignoring the real threat with some politically correct bullcrap. Nazis, after all, are universally deplored by all races, religions, sexes, etc., so they're always a viable target. But how many Nazis do you see blowing up trains or other forms of public transport? Islamic fundamentalists ARE the real enemy.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:25:17 AM CDT

    TheLastCleric

    by underoos hero

    Please re-read your own post.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:29:52 AM CDT

    Islamic terrorists seem cliche

    by abominable snowcone

    in movies only because Islamic terrorists are in fact the real bad guys on this planet and have been for over a decade. So even if it seems overused, at least it's accurate.
    I wonder if they'll show how Starks makes pee-pee in the armor when he has to go.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:33:28 AM CDT

    Dayum right Sithdan!

    by jackbauer24

    We gotta git dem terrurists before they git us! USA! USA! Eyerack attaked us on911 first! Four more years!

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  • May 01, 2008 9:35:42 AM CDT

    94% on Rotten Tomatoes

    by spawnofachilles

    with 50-some reviews...this movie is going to be FUCKING AWESOME, 8PM cant get here fast enough

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  • May 01, 2008 9:36:32 AM CDT

    SpencerTrilby

    by jackbauer24

    I give it a 'pass' - it's not bad at all. It's perfectly fine. But all these people calling it 'perfect' and the best superhero movie ever are misguided. I can name 10 better superhero flicks right now. It's fun, but completely vacuous. Compared to something like Batman Begins (which had real depth and drama to it), it falls apart.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:39:45 AM CDT

    Morairty is Stunned by Suburban Commando's Impact!

    by nico toscani

    You heard that right brother!

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  • May 01, 2008 9:41:52 AM CDT

    JackBauer24

    by v for vienetta

    Begins is 1, what are the other 9?

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  • May 01, 2008 9:44:33 AM CDT

    Everyone here says it's good, but

    by mr gorilla

    everyone else seems to think it's not much better than Daredevil.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:46:59 AM CDT

    Good review Capone.

    by yeti

    Seeing this tomorrow nite and I'm looking forward to it like a kid on Christmas Eve.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:48:37 AM CDT

    v

    by jackbauer24

    Erm let's see. Superman: The Movie, Superman II, Spider-Man 2, Hellboy, X2, Batman Returns...

    Well okay, 7 :p

    Can't decide whether I like SM1 and B89 more than it or not. So could be 9. But I'll say 7 I KNOW are better.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:51:48 AM CDT

    IM-2: RISE OF THE MANDARIN

    by william landis

    "Yes, Stark. I steal rings. Just like you...are...steel. Mahahaha" "This town ain't big enough for the both of us, Mandarin" 'What the fuck have I signed up to?', thinks Downey, Jr.

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  • May 01, 2008 9:52:00 AM CDT

    Jack Bauer!

    by derlanghaarige

    You forgot The Incredibles and Unbreakable (since you only talked about Superhero movies and not comic book adaptations ;) )

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  • May 01, 2008 9:52:18 AM CDT

    Besides

    by sithdan

    Mossad was depicted as villainous in the movie Munich. So it's not like that's never been done before.

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  • May 01, 2008 10:01:29 AM CDT

    Like chinese bad guys wouldn't be just as clichéd.

    by raw_bean

    In fact, the major villain of the film is American businessman. Although you could argue THAT's clichéd as well. Seriously, if you want completely original and fresh villains, they're going to end up being a militant sect of Peruvian nuns, or something.

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  • May 01, 2008 10:02:02 AM CDT

    Scene after the end credits

    by darthbakpao

    Nick Fury : You think you're the only superhero around?
    Stark : Who are you?
    Nick Fury : I'm Nick Fury, Director of S.H.I.E.L.D, i want you to join The Avengers

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  • May 01, 2008 10:02:18 AM CDT

    Who Doesn't Like Clark Gregg...

    by frat boy

    I mean seriously, the guys a real talent.

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  • May 01, 2008 10:03:44 AM CDT

    I guess "Rambo" used original villains

    by sithdan

    I don't recall any movies that have used Burmese baddies off hand.

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  • May 01, 2008 10:05:56 AM CDT

    Vietnamese midgets

    by jackbauer24

    would be the greatest villains ever. They could wage a racial war against the white midgets.

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  • May 01, 2008 10:09:40 AM CDT

    link to Nick Fury scene

    by darthbakpao

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=0NbRXsFmU3w
    poor quality, but at least it's confirmed. i didn't wait until the end of the credits. more reason to see it again

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  • May 01, 2008 10:15:41 AM CDT

    DarthBakpao

    by decypher44

    Great link! Awesome to see SLJ as NF!

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  • May 01, 2008 10:21:54 AM CDT

    Not to be nitpicky (RE: Islamic Terrorists), but . . .

    by chicagoronin

    "Iron Man" is set in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is geographically located in CENTRAL ASIA not THE MIDDLE EAST. Hence (in case you didn't figure it out), the people of Afghanistan are NOT Arabs. They're not even all Muslims, but include people of various faiths (including Buddhists and Christians). The groups causing trouble in Afghanistan include the Mujahadeen (rebel forces that fought against the USSR in the 80s with US backing, a.k.a. the guys who helped James Bond in "The Living Daylights" and Rambo in "Rambo III"), the Taliban (a militant Muslim group that made life hell for all Afghan residents), and Al Queda (a largely Arab Muslim group given safe haven by the Taliban). There's also various independent warlords; some affiliated with one or more of the above groups and others not.

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  • May 01, 2008 10:36:04 AM CDT

    Danny boy, why so angry?

    by just pillow talk

    And what has Abom ever done to you?

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  • May 01, 2008 10:52:05 AM CDT

    Final scene after the credits

    by slone13

    Anyone see it? I was an idiot and didn't think to wait...

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  • May 01, 2008 10:56:54 AM CDT

    Al Leong as Mandarin

    by bozemaster69

    Just saying, give the man his due!

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  • May 01, 2008 10:59:51 AM CDT

    A VILLAIN'S ETHNICITY AND RELIGION DOESN'T MATTER

    by total fucking destruction

    because in the end, they all receive TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

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  • May 01, 2008 11:02:50 AM CDT

    Glovers_Dickblood

    by slone13

    Go fuck yourself, you dumb shit.

    God bless Youtube.

    http://tinyurl.com/6853l5

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  • May 01, 2008 11:03:56 AM CDT

    Danny boy....

    by just pillow talk

    Abominable Snowcone.See, you're much like Queefer Bukkake in that you automatically attack (slone13 for example) random posters who didn't even post to you. Why so angry?

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  • May 01, 2008 11:06:21 AM CDT

    Opened here today..

    by jugs

    ..and I loved it, didn't look at my watch once which is always a good sign. Favorite character? The one-armed robotic helper...classic.

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  • May 01, 2008 11:28:29 AM CDT

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by crazyhorse2099

    No one cares what you give a fuck about. Good day.

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  • May 01, 2008 11:40:00 AM CDT

    samuel l after the credits!

    by ironic_name

  • May 01, 2008 11:43:54 AM CDT

    al kabong leong as ironman

    by ironic_name

  • May 01, 2008 11:44:17 AM CDT

    Superman II?

    by glurp

    Is that right? Superman II? Not much better than Daredevil? Holy crap! I haven't seen Iron man yet but if the just edited the trailers together it's better than SM II. Yikes.

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  • May 01, 2008 11:48:52 AM CDT

    Sorry...was off doing work

    by abominable snowcone

    I saw the movie trailer, but wasn't aware that Stark's captivity is set in Afghanistan. So I'm sorry if I confused my Muslims with my Islams and my apples with my oranges. But if they're fundamentalist radicals, then they're all fruit with guns, is what it comes down to. Which is not to say that other nations / peoples can't be the bad guys. I'm sure in many parts of the world, the U.S. military are the bad guys. Although I don't think it can be said that we "terrorize" on par with wackos who crash civilian planes into skyscrapers or set off bombs in parking garages.

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  • May 01, 2008 11:49:25 AM CDT

    Dannyboy...

    by just pillow talk

    I would find another outlet for releasing your tension than attacking people you don't know on the internet...

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  • May 01, 2008 11:53:02 AM CDT

    "fundamentalist radicals"

    by oisin5199

    There is never any indication in the film that the villains are fundamentalist or religiously oriented in ANY way. They are local warlords. End of story. The movie makes a big point that they speak different languages and the main guy talks about Genghis Khan. So they're not Moslems.

    And yes, the last line of the film is freakin' awesome and separates it from any other superhero film, in my opinion.

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  • May 01, 2008 11:54:09 AM CDT

    if they do the mandarin..

    by joevfx

    i hope they do what his cahracter is liek in teh " iron man:director of shield" books. like have the tens rings as pearcings down his spine instead of rings on his fingers. that was totally bad ass. but i bet they will just make him leader of the ten rings terorist group in teh movie and not give him super magic powers.

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  • May 01, 2008 11:55:24 AM CDT

    So if Nick Fury being in the credits

    by series7

    Does that mean the possible Nick Fury spin off? Because I'd say I know more then the average lay person about comics, but I got no fucking clue who Nick Fury is. So if people are worried about Iron Man being a B-list comic hero. Its like when Die Another Day came out and there were talks about a "Make me Feel Good" doing a spinoff. Ain't gonna happen. Unless Nick Fury teams up with Iron in the sequel then? Whatever i am gonna go look Nick up.

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  • May 01, 2008 12:00:03 PM CDT

    Ok so

    by series7

    Nick Fury is David Hasselhoff....fart. Wow Marvel didn't really give a shit about him before.

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  • May 01, 2008 12:10:36 PM CDT

    oisin

    by abominable snowcone

    Right, I get ya. I apologized for my "confusion." But my earlier post was based in response to someone else's question about "why are (all) the villains islamic terrorists?" Having not seen the film, I couldn't have honestly told you if the bad guys were Taliban or Destro and Zartan. Rather, I was responding specifically to the other person's question, so I used the same terminology. That's all--I wasn't trying to suggest that the movie's bad guys are any certain ethnicity or religious denomination. I was sounding off on what the other dude said.

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  • May 01, 2008 12:10:59 PM CDT

    danny boy...

    by just pillow talk

    Do you run/exercise/do some sport or something? Try and run that shit out of you, it's worked for me in the past.

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  • May 01, 2008 12:12:06 PM CDT

    Series7 - You Blew Any Credibility You MIGHT Have Had

    by finky089

    when you said "I'd say I know more then the average lay person about comics, but I got no fucking clue who Nick Fury is." Are you fucking serious? I'd say I know LESS about comics than alot of people on here and I know exactly who this top agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. is and how they changed him a bit for the Ultimates universe (which I erally haven't read too much of).

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  • May 01, 2008 12:13:21 PM CDT

    Dickblood

    by abominable snowcone

    you could hunt Braffed for us.

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  • May 01, 2008 12:14:32 PM CDT

    no Abom

    by just pillow talk

    Braffed has repented. Gotham_night is a very good target I think...

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  • May 01, 2008 12:16:34 PM CDT

    I'm not a huge comic geek

    by abominable snowcone

    At least not anymore; I stopped collecting over 20 years ago. My understanding was that Nick Shield was a white Punisher-looking guy with a black jumpsuit with red trim, and an eyepatch. I am aware though that in comics and cartoon he is now a black guy with an eyepatch--he's portrayed in the recent Avengers animated movies that way. Which is fine, especially since all the other Avengers are white. And it wouldn't exactly make sense to retcon, say, Thor or Henry Pym to be a brotha.
    On second thought, a black asgardian Thor would be hilarious. His hammer mjolnir could be all tricked out and shit with neon lights

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  • May 01, 2008 12:17:52 PM CDT

    Series 7

    by finky089

    That kinda came out more "assholey" than I meant it too. Nick Fury ain't no Spiderman as far as recognition goes, but what you said is sorta like somebody saying "I know alot about world geography, but I've never heard of some country called Bolivia". Sure, Bolivia doesn't make alot of local newscasts (outside S America, maybe) but it has it's important historical moments and most people at least recognize it as a country, even if they don't know much more about it.

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  • May 01, 2008 12:19:15 PM CDT

    I think Thor SHOULD be black, ABom

    by finky089

    But the old white men at Marvel might find a powerful, hammer-wielding black man too uncomfortable for their tastes? Leave it to Luke Cage, I guess?

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  • May 01, 2008 12:19:23 PM CDT

    Oh? I wasn't aware of the conversion

    by abominable snowcone

    Good for him, I knew the light would one day shine down upon him
    One comment I remember Lois' newspaper colleague saying from Superman 2 that, for me, summed up how COOL the premise was: "The BIG ONE is JUST AS STRONG as Superman!!"

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  • May 01, 2008 12:21:29 PM CDT

    The tools crying about spoilers...

    by bigbaldpapa

    I guess it is someone elses fault when you click on an article wrapped in a red border that is tagged with the word "spoiler"

    Don't be fucking stupid.

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  • May 01, 2008 12:23:05 PM CDT

    finky

    by abominable snowcone

    Yes, Powerman will have to step up and rep-a-ZENT!! Him and Nick Fury and Jim Rhodes. And if they do a Spidey 4, they might consider injecting a little color into that very vanilla universe(save Robbie Roberson and Peter's H.S. science teacher in the first). I'm a white guy, and even I notice that stuff. Sigh...it's just good to know that so far, Shellhead is getting good reviews

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  • May 01, 2008 12:23:37 PM CDT

    Abom

    by just pillow talk

    node 36509 will show you warciple Jarv's finest work....

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  • May 01, 2008 12:36:29 PM CDT

    captboulder - Which universe this is.

    by zerocorpse

    The movies are always a separate Marvel universe. They aren't 616, and they aren't Ultimate. Sometimes, they're several different Universes (Hulk TV, Hulk Ang Lee, Hulk Ed Norton, for example, or Spider-Man TV, Spider-Man & Amazing Friends, Spider-Man MTV, Spider-Man Sony Pictures, etc.)
    The TV and movie projects have almost no impact on the comics, and the comics only supply the basics-- But the movies are very much a "What If?" universe or separate dimensions in the multiverse, in the grand Marvel scheme of things.
    Occasionally something happens in the TV/movie projects that ends up being adopted into the comics-- Morph and Firestar are examples of this.
    RIght now, the way it seems, Iron Man, Hulk, SHIELD, and Nick Fury (black version) are all part of the Marvel Pictures universe, but Spider-Man, Blade, The Fantastic Four, and several other characters don't (and most likely won't) exist in that Marvel Pictures Universe.
    So to answer your question, this is a mix of Ultimate, 616, and several "What If?" ideas, but it's NOT the Ultimate, 616, or any previously-seen comic universe.
    If you go into the movies with that attitude-- That this is NOT 616 or Ultimate-- You'll come out a lot happier when they change things for a movie audience.
    You can apply this argument to books, too. BLADE RUNNER is *not* the same universe or story as "Do Android Dream of Electric Sheep?" and as such, shouldn't be judged as being part of that world.

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  • May 01, 2008 12:40:14 PM CDT

    Abominable Snowcone -- Color in Spider-Man.

    by zerocorpse

    Funny you should mention that. I don't think Peter Parker has had a Black friend since the 1970s. (and no, you can't count teammates. Luke Cage is pretty Black, but he's nobody's friend and is probably a Skrull, anyway).
    I'm really not remembering anybody close to Pete in the past 20 years that happens to be African American...
    Oh, wait! Does the Black Cat count?!?! :)

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  • May 01, 2008 12:47:02 PM CDT

    ZeroCorpse - "...and is probably a Skrull, anyway"

    by finky089

    lol I dunno why, but it just struck my the right way, I guess

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  • May 01, 2008 12:50:17 PM CDT

    I think Rocket Racer was the last black guy in Spiderman

    by finky089

    and that had to be mid-70's. And he was a villain. Perhaps Chameleon is really a black guy? Come to think of it, Marvel comics until the 90's were pretty white altogether, except for a few already mentioned here. And Black Cat, who really could have been almost anybody, despite his origin from Africa.

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  • May 01, 2008 1:11:46 PM CDT

    "I admit...it is fun"

    by abominable snowcone

    Wow, pillow you weren't kidding. Jarv converts a nonbeliever in node 36509! Oh, and since we're on the subject of converting, in one of other other recent TB's (I think Hulk) I spotted Dannyglover Dickblood venturing forth opinions on Burton vs. Schumaker Batman movies. So they guy DOES care, or at least, has feelings one way or another about something. So there could be hope for him to know the glory of Burt Gummer's stache as well

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  • May 01, 2008 1:14:31 PM CDT

    finky089, you mean Black Panther

    by abominable snowcone

    right? Black Cat was the hot chick Spidey fell in love with, mid-1980s (white). Black Panter is the African prince dude who assumed the mystical role of protector (his origin features heavy in the animated Avengers 2 movie). Food for thought: If Bruce Banner were a black guy, would Hulk still be green? Discuss

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  • May 01, 2008 1:25:28 PM CDT

    Abom

    by just pillow talk

    See the Indy talkback (tv spot one). I think Danny boy will be okay.

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  • May 01, 2008 1:27:56 PM CDT

    bigbaldpapa

    by underoos hero

    Hey fuck head. That spoiler border was not there when he posted the article.

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  • May 01, 2008 1:31:08 PM CDT

    pillow

    by abominable snowcone

    yeah, he just responded to my post there about Shia (I asked whether Shia gets impaled and Indy says something like "Adios Mutt")

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  • May 01, 2008 1:39:31 PM CDT

    Heh heh

    by abominable snowcone

    I read in the Hulk TB your thoughts on Batman (Burton / Schumaker) so I knew you were probably OK!
    Now I must ask: Have you ever seen Tremors? Thoughts?

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  • May 01, 2008 1:43:32 PM CDT

    All this Batman Begins love...

    by quake ii

    ..baffles me. It had an awesome opening and all the training scenes were great but it completely fell apart halfway through. How can you defend the last 1/2 of that film? Gassing the city (didn't we see that in Batman 1?), Scarecrow shows up with nothing to do, fight scenes were poorly shot etc. The final "battle" with Liam Neeson and Batman was the biggest letdown in film history. A couple punches and it's over. If Batman Begins is the meter to use for all superhero films then Fantastic Four 2 was near perfect!

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  • May 01, 2008 1:56:32 PM CDT

    What future bad guys does Iron Man set up?

    by fiester

    Anyone know?

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  • May 01, 2008 1:59:30 PM CDT

    DannyBoy

    by abominable snowcone

    Only reason I ask is, Tremors is part of the source of the Warciple faith. That and Evil Dead, and the karate skills of Tony Jaa, and a few other things. But yeah, Fred Ward (Remo) and Michael Gross are revered among us for that reason.

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  • May 01, 2008 2:01:52 PM CDT

    Danny...Danny...

    by just pillow talk

    How can you say that when BB has top notch actors involved, along with I thought was a good story, when FF2 has below average actors who were miscast to begin with?Oh, and Franklin T. Marmoset will be very happy to know that someone else sings the praises of FF...

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  • May 01, 2008 2:19:18 PM CDT

    Danny, Evil Dead, and FF...

    by just pillow talk

    First, very good to hear you appreciate the merits of the Evil Dead series, and its contributions to mankind.Second, for me at least, the point of the BB wasn't the villains, but the birth and subsequent growth of Batman, and what he felt his true path was to, not one of revenge, but of begin a hero. And I thought the dialogue was perfect for being a Batman movie, and I found Bale to be the most believable Batman. So I enjoy it over many repeat viewings. I've only seen FF2 once, but found it quite boring and I couldn't tell you any of their lines because I found the whole movie forgettable. However, to each their own.

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  • May 01, 2008 2:34:23 PM CDT

    So if we get an Avengers movie....

    by drewlicious

    Can they use Dr. Doom or is that a character 20th Century Fox has a claim on? I'd much rather have him as the big bad than Ultron or the Skrulls.

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  • May 01, 2008 2:34:23 PM CDT

    I agree with Quake II

    by jessedart

    I thought Batman Begins was weak. Fight scenes where you can't see what the heck is going on. Zoom that camera out brotha, zoom it out.

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  • May 01, 2008 3:04:33 PM CDT

    "Black Cat" = "Black Panther"

    by finky089

    jesus I'm a complete FEEB today. Thanks, Abom

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  • May 01, 2008 3:20:31 PM CDT

    The YouTube Nick Fury is gone already!!

    by benbraddock

    Removed by Paramount :-( Anyone have another link please?

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  • May 01, 2008 3:30:51 PM CDT

    gotham_night

    by messi

    Just because they're not famous doesn't mean they're not good. Batman's rogues' gallery are all famous but Spidey has better villains, the Red Skull is better than alot of his villains etc. And Iron Man has new bad guys, the good guys of the Marvel U.

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  • May 01, 2008 3:33:17 PM CDT

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD please fucking kill yourself

    by messi

    FF2 better than Batman Begins. You thought Ra's Al Ghul was pointless because you're a pathetic complacent human. you thought Zimmer and Newton howard's score was lame because you know fuck all about music. Eat aids.

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  • May 01, 2008 3:35:50 PM CDT

    Nice review Capone

    by lantern48

    Thanks again for a great time at RiverEast 21.


    Any clues to the other movie you said you saw?


    Please.

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  • May 01, 2008 4:24:20 PM CDT

    Hmm, so knock IRONMAN over=beat him?

    by drath

    I'm not saying I'll care about such a thing while I watch the movie, but I'll bet some critic somewhere will complain about that apparent weakness in his/her scathing review of the much-reviled super hero genre's latest assault on his/her refined senses.

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  • May 01, 2008 5:01:34 PM CDT

    I'd read that FF, Gotham

    by finky089

  • May 01, 2008 5:39:03 PM CDT

    Iron Man 2 : Bring in DR.Doom

    by hallmitchell

    And save him from the mess that was FF and FF2.

    And please don't cast Julian McMahon.

    I thought Iron Man was fantastic.
    Great origin film.

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  • May 01, 2008 6:26:04 PM CDT

    oh and another thing

    by indyit

    Capone says it well when he says the movie just makes you yearn for more...one of the first things my friend said when we were walking out of the hall was: "I want a sequel." To which I replied "Oh there will be, guaranteed." And she was all "No, no. I want one NOW." To which I laughed in total agreement cause this movie was really that good. Believe the hype people...most fans will love this movie. I say most because you can never make fans happy, considering how fucked up we are...and the amounts we complain etc.

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  • May 01, 2008 6:31:23 PM CDT

    Glowing blowjobs from AICN...muted everywhere else.

    by quantize

    Just sayin...this site is consistently criminal in it's ability to hype stuff way beyond anything it delivers...

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  • May 01, 2008 6:34:07 PM CDT

    Batman Begins...droll

    by quantize

    Like Lee's Hulk, something was seriously amiss, despite having a lot of good elements in place. As a film, outside of all comic fanboy BS, it was oddly boring...and the music was vile and intrusive.

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  • May 01, 2008 6:37:50 PM CDT

    Quantize

    by indyit

    Oh I will definitely agree with you there...I think I might be a little dead inside considering how consistently I find a movie to be awesome..but nowhere as orgasmic as Harry n Co makes it to be. But yea i think in the end theyre all just some superfreaks with high sensitivity..movies they say suck dont suck as much (usually) and movies they say are great dont usually meet the mark. But I still stand behind saying that Iron Man is an awesome movie...simply because I can't quite place anything wrong with it...at all. Could have had more sense of a villain with Stane but he was still played out quite nicely (at least more so than the Scarecrow in Batman Begins who I felt didn't get enough breathing space.Even if I still find that movie to be brilliant.)

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  • May 01, 2008 6:40:16 PM CDT

    Quantize again

    by indyit

    Gotta also note - I can see why people would find the movie boring...cause I believe under a different mindset I might have felt the same, although instead I found it to be great.

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  • May 01, 2008 7:09:34 PM CDT

    ..and sithdan...

    by foree forehead

    "The bombing, which claimed 168 lives, was the deadliest act of terrorism within United States borders until the September 11, 2001 attacks and remains the deadliest incident of domestic terrorism in the United States." yea that's right-winger timothy mcveigh we're talking about. p.s. suicide bombers in iraq aren't blowing our troops up, they're blowing other iraqis up. improvised explosive devices are blowing our troops up. turn off the fox, switch on the news

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  • May 01, 2008 9:59:52 PM CDT

    Muted everywhere else???????????????

    by fish tank

    quantize - It's at 95% on rottentomatoes.com - how the Hell is that muted? That's glowing.

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  • May 01, 2008 10:34:11 PM CDT

    I just saw Ironman tonight and it was awesome!

    by abovo

  • May 01, 2008 11:17:05 PM CDT

    Fish Tank

    by quantize

    go read some newspapers for a start..

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  • May 01, 2008 11:50:47 PM CDT

    Poile Alert! Poile Alert!

    by ironburl

    When the headline is only one line tall, it says poile instead of spoiler.

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  • May 02, 2008 3:10:14 AM CDT

    quantize

    by messi

    That's because you know shit about music. Molossus is the most epic heroic theme there is.

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  • May 02, 2008 3:30:59 AM CDT

    Captain America's Shield

    by whydidntyousee

    was on Tony's workbench - classic!!!

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  • May 02, 2008 4:38:58 AM CDT

    RighteousBrother

    by lost jarv

    Empire normally pretty reliable? Are you on crack? You're talking about the same magazine that gave AOTC, SR, TPM, ID4, Day After Tomorrow and countless other shite 5 out of 5. Empire are absolutely fucking useless.

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  • May 02, 2008 6:45:47 AM CDT

    No love for Yinsen the doctor?

    by turk128

    Shaun Toub did a superb job with the little time he had.

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  • May 02, 2008 8:29:32 AM CDT

    THE AVENNNNNNNNNGERS

    by jbouganim1

  • May 02, 2008 8:33:02 AM CDT

    I just kept saying the AVENNNNGERRS from the video game

    by jbouganim1

  • May 02, 2008 10:20:20 AM CDT

    saw it last night

    by spawnofachilles

    loved every moment, will be seeing it again this weekend and I pretty much never do that, go see it we need a kickass sequel!

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  • May 02, 2008 12:56:05 PM CDT

    superman 2 was all we had

    by glurp

    Yeah I know it was all we had and when I was a kid I thought SMII was pretty awesome however I doubt we'll be comparing Iron man to movies being produced 30 years from now and explaining "cut them a break it was the best they could do at the time." SMII is filled with all kinds of idiocy that is difficult to defend.

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  • May 02, 2008 1:02:01 PM CDT

    Iron Man 2 : Bring in DR.Doom

    by glurp

    Yeah wouldn't that just figure. We can't get the right DOOM in the actual FF movie so it takes Iron man to set things straight. I'm all for it.

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  • May 02, 2008 4:46:30 PM CDT

    Captain America

    by ninjachampion

    needs to fight Iron Man Instead of digging up some WW2 villian for the Cap movie.

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  • May 02, 2008 8:00:04 PM CDT

    FINALLY, an honest Iron Man review

    by vestaxwax

    http://eattheblinds.blogspot.com/

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  • May 03, 2008 2:10:06 AM CDT

    vestaxwax stop spamming the talkback...

    by poeticwarriorii

    with your useless tripe. Go whackoff in your coffee or something you useless bucket of monkey spunk. Nobody wants to read your goddamn website you dripping cunt.

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  • May 03, 2008 12:55:55 PM CDT

    Is it....

    by jaywells87

    ...bad for me to be kind of glad that a guy who goes by the name of DANNY GLOVER'S DICKBLOOD is losing his kids? Anyone else kinda feel that way?

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  • May 04, 2008 7:54:28 PM CDT

    So...Saw this one...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Holy shit. They did not only alright by Iron Man, but by Tony Stark AND made Rhodey a guy I'd like. Fuck, this is going to make a shit-ton of money, and Jon Favreau is really good at what he does...namely, make good flicks ,that you'd watch again and again...Best part of the flick for me? Tony Stark's ringtone on Rhodey's cell is the old 'Iron Man' 60s cartoon theme song. And, every damned second of this flick was enjoyable, not a single moment sucked, and I even could stand Gwyneth Paltrow for the second time in my life!!Good flick, go see it! This just sold my ass a Blu-Ray player, no lie.

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