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‘Your Very Bad Attitude!! It’s Exactly Why They Don’t Trust Us!!’ LOST 4.10!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
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Last week’s big return episode, authored by Drew Goddard and Brian K. Vaughn, was pretty darn interesting, yes? We learned things about Smokezilla and Mr. Widmore and Ben’s secret mode of transport and so on.
Jeremy Davies deserves a big shiny Emmy for his work as Daniel; his ongoing performance is McGoohanesque in its greatness. We’ll see if he snags a nomination. This week Dan helps with the Jack situation.
What Jack situation? ABC says of the Shephard-centric 4.10, titled “Something Nice Back Home”:
When Jack's health is seriously compromised, Kate and Juliet must learn to work together in order to save him; and something goes wrong as Sawyer, Claire, Aaron and Miles continue their trek away from Locke's camp and back to the beach. Guest starring are Ken Leung as Miles, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Sam Anderson as Bernard, L. Scott Caldwell as Rose and Kevin Durand as Keamy.
* Kate and Juliet perform an emergency appendectomy. Jack just can’t stop making Kate perform surgical procedures! Is the island trying to kill Jack? Will Kate count to five?
* Lapidus returns to the island and runs into Sawyer’s group. Will we learn that Lapidus is on the freighter and the island simultaneously? Will he have a conversation with himself?
* More flashforwards, again showing Jack’s life away from Dharma Island.
* Jack looks likely to pay an old friend another visit at the Santa Rosa Mental Institute.
* Though ABC doesn’t mention him in the episode’s synopsis, John Terry may again turn up as a not-dead Dr. Christian Shephard.
After tonight, four more season-four hours to air.
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appendicitis? What a shit doctor! No wonder Boomer died!
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as good as last week... I'll be happy.
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This season has definitely been worth the wait!
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Wishful thinking, but deserved.
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Was asked if I wanted to go see Iron Man tomorrow night and was like, "yeah, sure..." until I remembered that Lost was on. Oops...
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If it was on at 9, different story.
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I know I've had some pretty crappy days this month and each time Lost is on, I feel better for days. Whatever's got you down, hope it all works out.
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I wonder what it is?
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Who decided that Iron Man should be show at 8 or 10:45? That's pretty damn weak. Either way it screws with Lost.
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"I'll perform the appendectomy and you sew the curtains."
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If they show it at 8 tomorrow, why not 2 or 5, too? That's crazy. I'm gonna check the listing here.
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For me its the Constant - Brutha,
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Kate episode this season was probably the worst of the season for me.
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But Kate and Jack are both right behind him. If you've seen one episode about Charlie doing drugs, you've seen 'em all. Thank God he's dead...
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At the moment its looking like one of the weakest storyline options have seen from Lost in a long run.
We all know that he gets of the island, really hope they can suprise us and have it more meaningful that say putting Jack out of action for the events that are about to unflod and guranteeing him a seat as one of the Oceanic 6. -
Any guesses on when Jack will find out about Claire being related, off the island or on it ?
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His dad is "alive". Somewhere, some time in some form.
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We all know that the Ocean 6 are getting off the island and Ben at some stage too, but what about Sawyer, Locke, Des , Bernard and Rose , hell even Vincent what will they be doing ?
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But I could be wrong.
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This is HOW and WHY he gets off the island. As weak as he may be, he was appointed group leader and he shoulders that responisiblity. He wouldn't leave the island and abandon Claire, Sawyer, Rose, Bernard, the dozen red-shirt background players in his camp, and Cindy, Emma and Zach (the stewardess and the children taken by The Others) and Juliet and Desmond, unless he was debilitated, unconscious and in a life threatening medical emergency. That's why he wants to go ba-a-ack! - he didn't leave under his own free will.
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Are the Oceanic 6 doppelgangers? (and why does the AICN spell-checker say that doppelganger is spelled wrong? All these questions and more will be answered on the next Lost)
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Think it would be great though if Jack makes a decision, that results in Claire's death or staying on the island, and then finds out about her being his half-sister afterwards, could make for great tv, watching Jack deal with that.
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Locke, Sawyer, Claire, Rose, Bernard, Cindy, Zach, Steve and Tracy, Cindy, Zach and Emma, the Freighter science team (Charlotte, Faraday, Miles and chopper pilot Lipidus), 12 red shirt and what's left of The others, including the book club members and Richard Alpert... the entire non-Oceanic six population of the island. What will happen to them?This is not a spoiler, merely speculation. But here are two theories: 1.) the creators have stated that the future seasons will include "flash-backs, flash-forwards" and "flash sideways". Until now I haven;t had a clue what a 'flash-sideways" might mean, but I thing it means telling simulatenous parallel stories about the two groups in their seperate locations: the oceanic six off Island and the Remainders [tm] left ON the Island. Or 2.) Death by Keamy, Death by Smokey, Death by poison gas, death by uncontrolled electo-magnetic flux burst w/purple sky...Jack stated under oath that there were only six survivors. We "know" he was lying... but what if he wasn't?
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Without getting to spoilery about when or how, we know that The Oceanic Six - and Benjamin Linus - will get off the island. and we've ben told that the next season will feature "flash-backs," "flash-forwards" and "flash sideways". "Flash sideways" implies that there will be tales about both the Six and the group remaining on the island. Foreward and Back implies some very complex storytelling filling in the details of their backstories as well as spelling out their futures in a non-linear fashion.The next season may be very complicated, laying out puzzle pieces to ponder, but waiting for the year after to really assemble them in a way that makes sense.
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If you don't like death I'll have yours. I'm having death, spam, death, sausage, eggs, death, toast, death and death.Oh, I forgot one. I mentioned the possibility of "Death by Keamy, Death by Smokey, Death by poison gas, death by uncontrolled electo-magnetic flux burst w/purple sky..." but I forgot to mention the biggie. Oceanic flight 815 crashed on September 22nd, 2002. Most of the post strike episodes have involved on-island events occuring in the days leading up to Christmas of that year.And December 26th, 2002 was the date of the Tsunami. Looks like if the Six book a Christmas cruise off the island, they're getting out right in the nick of time. The question is, when Dr. Jack wants to go back, will there be anything or anyone left to go back to?
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that the audience will again have that sense of "how are they going to go forward from here" again, but without the sneaky twist. They felt that was a once time thing. But if we are going to be asking "how will they go forward from here?", something major has to happen. It just won't feel like an M Night shocker. What does that leave us with? Will we find out someone we know and love knows more about the island than we'd been told before? Will someone we KNOW is alive off-island in the future somehow die? When they return to the *real world*, will it perhaps be BEFORE the crash of 815 and the lie they have to live takes much, much longer than we assumed before? Does Jack or someone else have a date with destiny, or maybe even an expiration date.. so to speak? I'm out of ideas, but I trust that Lost will not fail me. I'm sure it'll have me spinning for months.
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Also think for those that are not committeed Lost fans under your Season 5 scenario they could start to get very annoyed.
As you mentioned Season 5 could be complicated and somewhat disjointed, it wont necessarily be "easy" (think CSI) TV to watch.
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At least NP's is an interesting read. Not that what YOU write isn't interesting. It's just that NP's ARE.
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Getting tired over here. And I have to go to work. Yuk.
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Posting your ideas and thoughts is what its all about.
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As NP and some of you other guys are suggesting, the writers have to be really careful. The best episodes all season have been character driven at their core. The Constant, The Shape of Things to Come, etc.
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Today is Lost day. Today is a good day.
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Someone else in the previous talk-back for the double-oh-Benjamin episode suggested a theory about "changing the rules".For the record, this is NOT a theory I believe in or endorse, I'm just putting this out here as a mind-blower.The theory is this: Benjamin and Widmore are time-travelers and the one basic rule of their game - the basic tenet of all time traveling - is that you can never change the past.When Benjamin tried to bargain with Keamy and said "go ahead and shoot her" he never thought that he would because... here's the theory - he knew that she was SUPPOSED TO BE alive in the future, and therefore couldn't be killed. That's (supposedly) what he meant when Widmore asked if he was there to kill him and Benjamin replied "We both know I can't do that." So changing the rules and breaking the time line was Widmore's "game changer".In the promos for the current episode - Uh, consider this a SPOILER warning for the couple of people who actually avoid watching the coming attractions and the ABC promos and ads for the hsow - Juliet toils over the suffering Jack and intones "he's going to die." Now, we KNOW that that is just hyperbole and hype. We KNOW that Jack can't die now (in the Island's now of 2004) because he is alive in the flash-forward "future" (of 2005 or later Lost time). So here's the mind-blower that would leave us all screaming "they can't DO that!!!": What if, now that the time line has been ruptured, the flash-forwards are no longer valid guarantees? What if Juliet's right, and Jack dies?I totally disavow this theory and in no way endorse it or believe that that is what is going to happen. Still, wouldn't that be a total rule-breaking game changer?
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... does not exist. Think, people, how did Keamy and his mercs get on the island? Swimming? Or did Lapidus bring them in his chopper?
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"that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."http://tinyurl.com/62ykmt
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In my language (which is italian), it does, actually. There's no difference between being in just two places at once rather than being everywhere.
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If I understand the meaning implied from the context of your statement, I'd tend to agree. Frank Lapidus seems like a nice person. Compared to Daniel Faraday, Charlotte Lewis and Miles Straume, a real pussycat. Of course he fluffy Beach Boy hair and goatee and his Hawkeye Pierce Hawaiian shirt lends to that aura of likability.But Benjamin identified Keamy as a good marine who went bad and became a mercenary. And we know that Frank drinks rather excessively, one likely clue to a guilty conscience. I like Frank Lapidus and I hold out hope that when the members of the oceanic six get from the Island to the freighter, it will be Frank in the helicoptor that takes them there. (That's assuming they leave by conventional means and don't teleport into the Tunisian desert or something.) But Frank Lapidus could very well have a dark side.
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The previous episode opener, and the quote adorning that talkback, was "what are you talking about, the doctor is fine" which pops up in the "telegraph" scene when Faraday asks the Freighter "what happened to the doctor". Apparently because of the infamous "time difference" Doc Ray was still alive on the ship even after he washed ashore on the island.So someone up thread suggested that Lapidus could arrive on the Island even before leaving the Freighter, so that he and the helicoptor could be in two places at once.In English "ubiquitous" is usually used by journalists to refer to something that is annoyingly inevitable, like a TV commercial that's on whenever you turn on the TV. You turn on "classic AOR FM radio" and songs like "Stairway to Heaven" and "Free Bird" are ubiquitous.Sorry to have questioned your usage.
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It's his thing, it's what he does!
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I like your theory about time being changed. I don't think the writers would go as far as killing Jack, since it would confuse viewers too much. But it would be interesting.
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1st GTA IV, tonight Lost, then tommorow Iron Man. Great time to be a geek, eh?
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sigh
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But for 4 of the next 5 Thursdays, it'll be especially good! And the Thursday this month without Lost we can go see Indiana Jones IV!
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You get up early too, huh? I hate the 10pm time change - I needs my sleep!
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in some future episode Jack's gonna get shot but then get up, smiling, and say something like "well it's a good thing I no longer have an appendix there..."
ok maybe not
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Thats right, I forgot all about Dr. Jones!!...How you doing man, still really busy?
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Xiphos, if the one thing you're sure about Frank Lapidus is that he gets off the island because only he can fly the helicopter... I don't mean to be difficult... but are you sure?Not that he's the only pilot. I've give you that. But we do not know exactly how the Six get off yet. Frank repeatedly talks about having just enough fuel for a flight, just enough to get to or from the island, just enough to land. And the 815 was 1000 miles off course when it crashed. So if Jack, Aaron, Hurley, Sun and Kate get off the island on that helicopter, they won't be going any further on it than to the freighter.And that's exactly how I've assumed it would go down all along - chopper to the boat, and then out.BUT last week established two things: One, there's a lot of speculation that Benjamin "teleported" off the island. That does move the show in a harder sci-fi direction that I was ever expecting, but it does "open a door" off the island. And, Two, Widmore doesn't know where the island is... does that possibly suggest that his freighter never made it back? Which in turn implies that The Oceanic Six got off the island some way other than on the freighter.I'm still sticking with island to chopper to boat to home as the logical and obvious escape route. But when has LOST ever been about the obvious... or the logical?
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Our host Hercules T. Strong suggests "Jeremy Davies deserves a big shiny Emmy for his work as Daniel."Well, sir, I'll admit that he plays Faraday as a convincing weird-o. But this year if anyone wants a best actor award they're going to have to get past Michael Emerson. Seriously, following his arc from his intro as Henry Gale to last week's reinvention sa Double-Oh-Benjamin, he's gone from an enigma to a quisling to a treacherous and murderous snake. This season alone he's stolen yet another gun (something you'd think Locke would be looking our for by now) to shoot Charlotte, and then conned and charmed his way from being locked in a cell to having free run on Otherton, eating cake and playing the piano with a shotgun in his stool. And last week he reinvented himself, spending forty minutes convincing the audience that he really is "one of the good guys" - and by siccing Smokey on the 'Frighter' assault crew, a totally awesome one at that - and that his thirst for vengeance is justified. And then in the final minutes of the episode, as he vowed to kill Widmore's innocent daughter, Dez's beloved Pen, he pulled a full 180 and let us see the monster that's always lurked within him. If that's not worth a solid gold fishbiscuit come "giving actors prizes for doing their jobs" time, I don't know what ever would be.
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Maybe that's why he can't kill him - they are inextricably linked?
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But it's a bad show to watch right before going to bed - makes mind work overtime and dreams freaky.
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go smoke monster!
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and run crazy.
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main character gets sick and the rest is flashforward/back and other people walking walking and no jacob/cabin till next week.....generic "plot" from about 20 other episodes
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..Daniel Charlie Manson at least once.
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...Jack will die. Maybe the one off the island is "beardier-ghost-Jack"... well, okay, maybe not.
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They had to fight for an extra hour to fit in all the stuff they needed to. To be honest changing 8 episodes to 5, there can't be even a sniff of filler about them. And surely they know not to make another 'Eggtown'?
Nobody cares about the beach crew. Either show me Freighter action or show me Ben and Locke. Are they going to bother mentioning Michael again? Did they hype Harolds reappearence for one fairly-mediocre episode???
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This would be my cold opener. FADE IN: EXTREME CLOSE UP ON AN EYE WE PULL BACK TO REVEAL Hurley's face, smiling, his eyes wide open with childlike enthusiasm. HIS VIEW A tangled mass of nude, female bodies writhe in ecstasy on the sandy beach. We can make out some of the faces: Claire, Kate, Sun, Alex, that Italian chick, Nikki, Juliet. They are making sweet, sweet, island love. Hurley STEPS FORWARD, his eyes fixed on the scene in front of him when-- the bodies begin to crumble, disintegrate. Juliet's cans begin to swirl, vortex-like, into a thick, churning black CLOUD OF SMOKE. Hurley GASPS! MATCH CUT TO: Hurley gasps as he wakes up from a nightmare. He is out of breath, frightened. He wipes the sweat off his brow. HURLEY: Relax, dude. Suddenly-- Sayid emerges, his lower netherregion covered in vestiges of the black smoke. SAYID: Hurley, wake up. Something's happened to the women. I think they've given me...the sickness. POOSH...LOST....
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Glad to be back. Just finished my last class of life.
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are filler people! Geez.
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I have to write a twenty five page paper on the effects of radical Salafism on the Maghreb and Europe, analyzing the relationship between immigration and radicalism. A penny for your thoughts?
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May 01, 2008 8:54:38 AM CDT
It will be filler but with a cool nugget like when we saw the te
by stormwatcher
remember that in an otherwise forgetable episode? No. We will find out that Christian is NOT dead and that Claire does die.
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Because we need to agree on that in order to decide whether this episode qualifies. Also, we'll probably have to actually watch the episode first.
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-Episodes that split up and pad the storylines that people actually care about
-Little or no plot development, (cough... 'The Other Woman'...)
-Shows characters out of obligation not necessity (i.e Jacks camp)
-Usually revolves around 15 seconds of a big revelation at the end (e.g "Aaron!" "Jin dead!")
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a Locke episode? And what happened to the whole Jack-Locke rivalry? How can they make Ben own Locke like this?
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1. I don't think Matthew Fox is a bad actor. And I like Season One Jack a lot. But Season Two, Three Jack are lame. But my favorite is bearded, alcoholic, weepy Jack. Can't wait til he finally finds his balls again. 2. Can I quote you on that? Also, not all of Western Europe is so PC about immigration. Berlusconi suggested shooting cannons at ANY incoming ships into Italy, which I found amusing. Berlusconi is actually very funny--check this out http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=p2TRnDBI2o4
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Nice definition. Now that you have defined it, I can safely say that I do not enjoy filler episodes.
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is to make sure if they tolerate people, the people being tolerated are tolerant themselves. If more people followed that rule first, the world would be a much, much better place. To make it easier to understand, visualize a klan member complaining about being discriminated against.
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But ... next episdoe Ben and Locke have a nice sit down with Jacob and shoot the shit for the hour. Should be interesting.
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OH SHIT!!!! It's not a Locke-Ben centric episode!!!! FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!! Still Sawyer is in this episode right??? God Damn I can't wait to see what Locke and Ben are up to!!!!!! Do you think Jack shit's his pants during his fever???
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...if there are going to be anymore laughable action sequences where people use white picket fences and picnic tables as cover from assault-rifle fire. Oh, and will Locke and Sawyer draw their pistols on one another...AGAIN?;^)
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815 crashed on Sept 22, 2004, not 2002. And you CANNOT change the future... it has been stated repeatedly by both the show and the producers...
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Oceanic Six make it to the freighter by means of helicopter. Michael blows up freighter. Oceanic Six get away from freighter by raft. (Seen in episode 4.8) Michael is sixth member of Oceanic 6 (Aaron doesn't count) Michael isn't arrested for murder cause they are lying about what happened. Michael is in coffin. No one goes to funeral cause he has alienated everyone with the whole murdering people thing. (Walt can't go cause he is still presumed dead.) Season ends (probably) with Ben showing up to Jack offering him a chance to go back.
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Actually a true filler episode would be something like the Paulo and Nikki episode. Actually the whole Paulo and Nikki subplot which ended up being a standalone story that had nothing to do with the main arc of the show (although I was one of the few people entertained by it).
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I predict: Jack's Father will be on the island, alive (in some shape or form) and will be the doctor to save Jack from dying on the island. He will find and tell Claire what has to happen to save him, and Claire will think it is just a vision - she will then go and tell Juliet. Meanwhile, off island - Jack is tormented because his father is in the flashforward! Weird, right? I'm hoping I'll be right about Jack's Dad being in the flash-forward but I'm probably dead wrong about the on-island stuff. But there is my idea to throw out there... I guess we will find out tonight! THEN, Iron Man! And new trailers for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and the Dark Knight!
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i've had enough of ken
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just finished finals and lost is on. Fuck yeah!
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Great blog. Keep up the good work, everyone.
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Very good writing, very funny too.
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Shwing, booooing, and AOOGA!
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I like him, but I've seen him do this routine before.
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he flew the assault team to the island.
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I think the lure and guessing has overshadowed the show to the extent that I don't care about the show anymore. Its become a background show, to me dicking around on the internet. When I do pay attention I just get frustrated because its the same shit OVER AND OVER again. Feels like the writers are not sure how to reveal anything so they just give you the run around. The last good reveal was how Lock ended up in a wheel chair. And now there is so much flip flopping of time you gotta pay attention when they say what year it is, consider me Lost. Fucking go watch X-Files, little white text on the bottom of the screen never hurt anyone. I guess I can understand now why no one in my office is staying current with the season, they are all waiting for DVD. Now I don't understand why they are waiting for the office DVD? Fucking lazy non geeks and there DVDs, no one watches current TV anymore.
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Because that's what Matthew Fox will always be to me, from Party of Five, because it's exactly the SAME FUCKING CHARACTER. Holy FUCKING CHRIST, he CAN'T ACT!
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now, I really gotta know what's down that hatch. And why the Gorton's Fisherman took Walt.
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May 01, 2008 12:23:44 PM CDT
Re: I just finished watching LOST: Season 1 for the first time
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If this is true. Run. Run far, far away from this talkback and don't come back until you have caught up. It will only lead to disaster.
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I'm cautious not to really read much of this TB. Except I want to know where Terry Malloy saw that pic of E. L. ;)
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herc must be joking....mcgoohan was the glue that held the prisoner together...davies is just like...there...and why the fuck wont he take off that fuckin tie
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He won't take the tie off because its skinnyness helps with his case of terminal 80's nostalgia.
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After a super-intense episode last week, this one is going to be a bit of a buzz kill. It's really hard to follow up an act like that anyway. So, I expect tonight's episode will be a stepping stone piece toward the climactic season finale.
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Iron Man... or Jack-centric episode? Not a hard choice in my book.
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One of the Vile Vortices is over the Sahara. I'm starting to believe that the Vile Vortices mythos is some part of what is going on, there is obviously a lot more than that going on, but as far as the travelling two and from the Island goes, I think Ben 'exiting' the island into the Sahara was a big hint to confirm the long speculated theory that the vile vortices are involved in the plot.
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if that is truly something in current LOST episodes, then I can see where people argue this show has "jumped the shark". Having literally just finished watching the 1st season today, and knowing there's ALOT of shit that is coming in the next few seasons, it seems like Liddeloff and Abrams have gon way overboard on the mystery stuff
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"What would you have asked Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse if you had the opportunity?" Here goes: Thanks gentleman for the great season we are currently experiencing. As for next season, since we've heard the flash-forwards this season are working back chronilogically (show by show, with some flashback exceptions) from S3's finale to this seasons finale and we now know Ben arrives in Tunisia in 2005, how long will it take the Oceanic 6 to get back to the island (as you've previously stated is the subject of season 5)? For instance, will we get to see Walt in 2008, thus allowing Malcolm David Kelley to play him for the rest of the series?
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"will there be anything or anyone left to go back to?" If you think a Tsunami from the 'outside world' can have any effect on the Island you're missing a tremendous amount of subtext my friend. In leaving the Island and ending up out in our ocean, they're actually at risk of getting hit by the Tsunami. But their friends on the Island will have nothing but a nice warm sunny day, swimming conditions will not be affected.
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Will be events happening to a character simultaneously on the Island and back home.
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are fucking morons. It's some of the best actors working in TV today. Matthew Fox can't act? Are you serious? Watch the season 1 episode (I think it was white rabbit) where he breaks down over his father's dead body in the morgue. He's awesome in that scene. Everyone on the show brings their A-game.
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That seems so obvious. Michael as a member of the O6 would be interesting but I think that he is not long for this world- plus the baby would be counted, it is retarded to think otherwise. That's like saying, if a baby was the only survivor of a disaster, would you just say there were no survivors?
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You seem to equate an actor having a "shtick" with being emotionally truthful. You may not like that they don't "transform" from role to role, but that is not the only type of acting there is. Jimmy Stewart played Jimmy Stewart over and over again and he sure as hell wasn't a bad actor.
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If i'm not mistaken, they've already found it this season. Or at least Hurley has. Now they're trying to find it again
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Scene. ACTING! Brilliant! ThANK YOU!
Just so I have a count...I may be locking inrecignizables out until you guys got yours, who here at the TB and 23 are out of country/region and NEED tonights LOST? Just trying to get #s. Check Room 23 agout 11:45. Should have you a link by then. Same for BSG Friday (Get me those same #s please) and it will be up 11:45 ish.
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Interesting possibility?
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This season has been the bomb! The acting, direction, writing and cinematography are far superior to anything else outside of BSG and John Adams. Best supporting actor? Give it to Michael Emerson ("Benjamin Linus"). Best actor? I'm not sure that there is an "actor" -- because this entire show is the product of a truly ensemble cast!
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We have a LOST party every Thursday night with friends, professors and colleagues. We spend an hour watching the show and about 30 minutes discussing it. Nothing else on TV is like it!
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It's not just a cabin the woods. It's a temporal displacement cabin occupied by a dead cardiologist
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Wow -- that is interesting! But perhaps Hurley and Sun showed up right after Jack left?
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All you need is a 12-pack and a bottle of Jagger.
Everytime someone says "Jacob", take a sip of beer.
Everytime Kate cracks under pressure, drink a whole beer.
Evertime Claire is killed, drink the whole bottle of Jagger.
"Namaste, motherfuckers!".
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that he and his pseudo intellectual friends have no life....huzzah...30 minutes discussing what exactly? does it go something like this? "did you catch that foreshadowing from the game of risk to the game that ben and penny's dad are playing?"..."no, i was too busy mentally masturbating to evangeline lilly's tits"
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Judgmental much? What do you do on Thursday nights that's so cool?
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Wow -- you are a brilliant guy with such an exciting intellect. * cough cough * Is that why you haunt this website's TB forums like a rabid dog in heat? Huzzah yourself! ;-P
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where you been, bud?
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In case the theory wasn't explained clearly enough (and I repeat, it's not my theory and I don't support it), there's a time differential between the Island and off-island. The small rocket experiment with the timer established that - both the difference between when it was launched and landed and the time on the timer as seen on sialdn and reported from the Freighter. Then, last week, Doc Ray washed ashore onto the island while someone on the freighter reported that "the doctor is fine". In both cases the easy answer would be that they were lies or errors. but some of the theorists read more into it and therefore IF there's a time disparity or temporal rift, it would be possible for Frank Lapidus to arrive on the island in the helicopter while still on the freighter preparing for the flight. I know, I don't like it, it's too sci-fi for me, and I'm a Trekkie. But you didn't say you didn't like the idea, you said you didn't understand it, and I hope that explains it for you. Just trying to help.
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Anyone have a theory on just HOW the Oceanic 6 get off the island? If it isn't the freighter -- then who actually rescues them?
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You're a marine. You could say anything and it would carry weight.
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http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/http://tinyurl.com/3xlefaF, I think the photo of Evangeline Lilly that Terry Malloy was refering to was the one I posted to the Room 23 blog.There's a lengthy article above it ow, so you'll need to scroll down a bit to get to it. Some nice pics of Yunjin in honor of her being the Lost girl chosen to represent the show in TV Guide's annual "Sexiest Stars On TV" list. "click to slightly embiggen."
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Thanx for the correction, Shigaru. If I wrote 2002 that was either a typo or a late-nite brain fart. Yes, the crash of flight 815 was September 22nd, 2004. And yes, it's been right around Christmas Eve Island time for several episodes now. And, yes, the Tsunami occured on December 26, 2004. And as a long time comics geek and sci-fi fan, I like to believe that history can;t be changed by time travel. I was simply mentioning that one theory of what Ben meant when he told Widmore the he knew he couldn't kill him involved time travel. Ben clearly believed that keamy would not and could not kill Alexandra because it was 'against the rules" and blamed Widmore for changing the rules. And what rule is more inviolate than "youu can't change history?" But I don't support every theory that gets proposed here. I'm still having trouble with the "Smokey is nano-bots" theory from season one.Smacky, you might have a point. The island clearly has strange electro-magnetic properties that make it almost impossible to locate except by following extremely precise navigational instructions. Still, the idea that this "force field" effect would protect it from all outside influences including catastrophic planetary weather connditions... well, again, that seems pretty hardcore sci-fi and I'm still hoping that "Lost" will keep at least one foot rooted in reality based and character driven stories.
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No she doesn't. I guess you haven't had "the talk" yet, but if she sucked she wouldn't have gotten pregnant. That's not how it works. If your parents don't think you're old enough to discuss these matters with yet, you might be able to look it up in a book in your school library. There may be some information on the internet, as well.
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The show was sold on the basis that there were 48 survivors of the crash of Flight 815. We only ever saw about half of them (although over the course of the series something like 77 extras portrayed the remaining 20 or so survivors. That's why even after 4 years the background characters still look like unknowns you've never seen before.) Nikki and Paulo were introduced to establish that the background characters the series doesn't focus on all had lives and stories of their own. Lindelhof and Cuse have stated that they had more plans for Nikki and Paulo but "Expose" was the one episode they did that was a direct reaction to fan comments. Viewers almost universally diliked these outsider characters taking screen time from the shows leads so they were killed off. In an episode that is generally favorably compared to Twilight Zone and provided the series with one of it's very few total stand-alone episodes.You never know what will or won;t eventualy turn out to be important. That episode with Hurley's Dharma Van felt totally like a feel-good filler ep, but then he came roaring onto the beach, plowing into the Others and rescuing his captured friends during the attack at the tents, and it totally paid off.
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they'll be getting off the same way ben ended up in the sahara, the orchid station. the boat will blow up with an hour to go in the season, so ben brings everyone into the giant orchid machine, which needs to be kept really cold, therefore the dharma parkas. there will be a showdown of some sort, ben will get his arm shot or cut while setting the "shift". someone hits a big red button, lost orchestra kicks in, jack and kate kiss as purple light dramaticly shines around them. wherever they end up, the oceanic cover-up people will be waiting. just a guess.
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I never had a problem with the writers setting up the dharms van. It was just that that episode (and most fillers) I don't feel are well written or entertaining
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...would make Jack's #1 fan Brighteyes weep.On his behalf I'll remind everyone that...1.) The first scene of the pilot episode was Jack opening his eyes in the jungle, then running to the sound of the chaos on the beach and beginning to save lives.2.) The character was originally meant to die in the first episode as a trick on the audience but Matt Fox tested so well with test audiences that they had to spare him.3.)In interviews some of the actors have explained that for much of the sirft season their characters had to be wooden and expressionless and they couldn't show personality because at that point the writers hadn't nailed down the charactrs and the actors couldn't do anything that would set a tone that would contradict what would be established later.4.) A big old picture of Matthew Fox as the shows lead character is on the Season One DVD set box.5.)During the epic first season when the show was high in the ratings and the mainstream entertainment media was constantly covering it, the Jack/Kate/Sawyer romantic triangle was treated as if it was the central core of the show, what the fans wanted to read about, and they were the group that got most of the magazine covers.And, look, I'm not saying Jack is an interesting or noble or great chacacter. He's certainly not my favorite character on the show. *But then Benjamin got last weeks ep and Locke gets next weeks.) As I told Brighteyes, calling Jack the best character on the series is like thinking that Grey's is all about MerDer. However...6.) One of the hugest things this series ever did, the thing the shows creators say is that magic trick that only comes along once per series, was last years season finale "gamechanger" that introduced the concept of the "flash-forward". And tonight's Jack-centric episode will be a direct sequel to that one.Now this has been an awesome season. The Constant, Ji Yeon, Meet Kevin Johnson, Shapes of Things To Come, some of the best episodes of the series ever. Season three was not that well recieved, over all, though there were some stand-outs. Still, that finale, with beardy Jack and the flash forwards and "We have to go back!!!" - that was considered a series high-point and certainly one of the season's best episodes. Now, for the first time, we get a direct sequel with more Jack flash-forward information, and just because there are a couple other interesting plots going on at the same time and the focus has shifted away from Jack's group for a while except in terms of it's contact with the Freighter, everyone is whinging about this being a 'filler' episode. A episode about one of the shows lead characters (the man of science to Locke's man of faith) and a sequel to last seasons major series gamechanger, filler? Seriously?Let me know when the Lost fans get here.
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Given Jack will be sick in this one.
Take a shot for everytime either Juliet or Kate give each other some unhappy look about looking after Jack.
Take a shot for everytime they disagree.
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My damned DVR better be up for some serious rewinding if they start making out tho...
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I just watched it for a while out of curiosity and wasn't surprised to find that it's still terrible. It's like what would happen if they made a high school play out of Superman mixed with General Hospital. The actors are all at the high school play level, the plot is convoluted and yet oddly simplistic, and the presentation is cheaper than a SciFi Channel movie.
I don't even want to get into how it makes no sense for Lois to meet Clark and know him as the guy with powers who she thinks is really cute. This is just terrible. How can this show have fans?
And to think, I could be watching Iron Man right now. . .
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But that doesn't mean we can't criticize the show.
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I politely disagree. During a season of doom and gloom, trials and tribulations, the Hurley's van episode was a change of tone, a "feel good" upbeat happy episode with a triumphant ending.I'm not superstitious, so Hurley's feelings of being a jinx didn't sit well with me. And His strained relationship with his estranged father was nearly painful to watch. though what good Lost character does't have daddy issues? But while Hurley's flashback material might have been uncomforatable, that same episode gave us old warm dharma beer, the name "Workman" and Sawyer dubbing bens dad "Skeletor". Now, if I was trying to start a vehicle I might not roll it down a hill straight at some rocks so that it would HAVE to start or I'd die or be injured in the collision. But as a cathartic triumph over the jinx, the scene worked. It may have been a strange and seemingly stand alone non-sequitor of an episode with a few far fetched or unexplained elements (like where Hurley would ever find any more gas) But there were enough funny lines and good moments and triumphs that I don't think it was a badly written episode.
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Coming of the brilliant episode last week, like many others have the same fears about the love triangle/square being of focus. Hopefully the flashforwards keep it interesting.
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I started out with LOST liking Jack and Kate and HATING Sawyer/James.
Now, a few seasons later, and I think Jack is a total dick and a control freak, Kate's a selfish skank who lies, cheats, steals, and kills when it serves her, and I now think Sawyer's probably one of the best people left on the island. He's also a hell of a lot more trustworthy than Kate.
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"Let me know when the Lost fans get here." Cheap shot. Fans can critique the show all they want. but I hope that tossed off puchline wasn't the only thing you got out of that tirade. Jack's a central character, the prospect of more flash-forwards even further into the future should be exciting, and just because we might rather be watching more Ban and Locke (Ben last week, Locke next week) doesn't mean tonight's Jack ep is going to be filler. Dr. Jack Shephard is not above criticism, but can we elevate the level of the discourse above "it's filla because I doan like 'im"? (And if that was another cheap shot, fine, go read the subject line again.)
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Either finally out of gas or still has a mangled Other jammed in the suspension.
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But I in no way see him as "the protagonist" anymore. He's not the good guy in this story. I'm getting the feeling that Ben's going to come out of this looking better than Jack.
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Not until Emerson gets one for Ben. Much as I agree that Davies is doing a good job, Emerson is and has been frigging unbelievable.
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Sorry for parroting, dude. That's what I get for not reading all the posts...
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* Doomsday: "In season eight, Clark will face his ultimate challenge with the appearance of the legendary, unstoppable destroyer Doomsday, who appears on Smallville for the first time. As comic book fans know, Doomsday is notorious for being the only character in the DC Comics universe to have killed Superman."
*Female villain: "Doomsday won't be Clark's only nemesis in the upcoming season. The executive producers are tight-lipped about a new female villain they will be introducing, but they can say she will be familiar to many fans and will set her sights on Clark in ways Lex never could. Intelligent, brilliantly manipulative, and dangerously sinister, our gorgeous new villain has one more weapon in her arsenal: Her mutual attraction with Clark may prove to be as deadly as kryptonite for him."
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As much as O'Quinn deserved it last year, Emerson's been stealing the show this year. Though I'd still love to see Locke go all tough guy like he did at the end of last season. I don't think Locke's got it in him right now.
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Jack's life threatening condition is a kidney stone. Unfortunately, the men of the island who have had kidney stones have died if they developed the kidney stone on the island without leaving the island. However, if Jack had the kidney stone develop before he got to the island, he may survive.
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if the island killed women who got pregnant on the island, why not just take them off the island to give birth, then bring them back? They OBVIOUSLY have the technology...
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jack ep's are now "filler" ? really?..REALLY?..really? i wanna see ben vs. widmore too,but i'm still plenty interested in jack's story..i hope it ends with jack passing out with a needle in his arm,lol..rock bottom ..then redemption..or mabye no redemption?
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Those were his and not Kate's.
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No You Did NOT!
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These flashbacks are after Kate's trial and before Jack has gone beard crazy.
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As cute as youare - you are a pro at gettin poked by any guy that suits your purpose. Jack is a sucker...and she needs to be fixed. How could he trusy her or even want to? Compare her to Sarah? No way...Sarah by a mile.
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Jack is playing DADDY.
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Sawyer did NOT just call him "Donger".
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Is than an ultimatum issued by Nissan?
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or her child - or a new guy in her life (at the rrate she moves through them) could all be prospects Maxer.
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STP reunites on Jimmy KImmel. Good Times
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I guess I'll never get my French Woman flashback now. Bastards.
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DAMN I LOVE THAT DUDE. Sorry Des and Sayid. Brother Sawyer and the way he loves Hugo and Claire....it is too much.
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Why can't Jack raise Aaron? Who's gonna visit him? Will it be his father? This is crazy.
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This show / episode is kicking ass.. very subtle, very hard core, very intense.
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CREEPY AS FUCK Category. If there is one.
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My smart ass HAD a typo in my attempt at humor. But since you don't have a sense of humor, go blow yourself, you self important prick.
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...and Bernard is just precious!
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Its the millenium falcon..so what?
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Now I know what "We have to go back" means. We have to go back to flirting and having sex!
Fix er her up JAck!
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IS DR. SHEPPERD SR.!!!
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Jack didn't have one.
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bitch just got jinowned...jwned?
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I'm crabby as hell - I spent $70 on a tech to fix my fuck up on my PC. So I am an ass, Apologees. I thought for sure I would be down at LOST time, hence no torrent. And I hate disappointing others.
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Did anyone see an appendectomy scar on naked Jack in the beginning? I didn't.
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And I wish I hadn't become a drug offender so I could have had the power of the pad. Tho....I think I would have wound up like Jack end of season 3......
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It's forgotten.
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CHristian cannot be explained away anymore. Daddy is back in town. And that call to Kate...what if it was Christian telling Kate they had to meet. OOOOOOO Doggie. This gets good!
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for Dr Bland...
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Shellfishh wasn't.
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Claire is going away with Christian!!!!!
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Either everything in this episode was essential information or this will end up as one of those episodes we tell people they don't need to watch.
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..as if anyone cares about claire..worthless character...jack annoying goody two shoes...kate..stupid slut who can't keep your legs closed...only interesting peeps..the Not my boaties...lets hear more about them...but even amoung all this negativity I still love LOST!!!
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episode...too...awesome... in the future the Oceanic 6 live in PAYOFF City!
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RIGHT WHEN JACK'S DID !
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Keep it on the downlow, for those who miss the previews! Finally, a Jack episode I thought ROCKED! It's blowing my mind! Did Miles see Doc Shepard Sr. because he's real, or because he sees dead people?
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She always calls me Daddy.
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When Keamy was looking for Sawyer Claire and Aaron in the woods, my heart nearly stopped. That was tense! I am such a little girl!
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I always saw him as one of the TOP DOGS in the grand manipulation that is the mythos of LOST...lets hope what we saw since episode one has a pay off...Daddy Jack be the one!
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i was wrong, this was not a filler
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how's naming a gueststar a spoiler? i mean if he was on the show before and this was a big return or whatever ok but yeah.
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I am pissed that I will not get my French Woman flashback episode too, FUCK THEM...FUCK THEM in the EAR!
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I thought TPTB said that Danielle's story still might be told in a future episode. And Bouncy X, regarding spoilers, he WAS on the show before, so this IS a big return. Now I saw the preview too (wish I hadn't), but there are others out here that try to be spoiler free. I wasn't trying to jump on you too hard, just a friendly reminder dude.
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Can I get in here and complain. Maybe bitch a little? Hmm? Just a little? bit?
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The Lost creative team like the Dark Tower series...If your familar with it maybe you will agree that Locke is the equivalent to Roland searching for the Dark Tower. In Locke's case his Dark Tower is the grand meaning of his place here on earth, he really thinks he is special, and all the hell he has been put through is all leading to something great for him but I am afriad that just like Roland when he reaches it, he just gets reset so to speak back to the beginning...its all about the journey people...enjoy it while it lasts! When we do get to the last episode...there will be no happy ending...we will all be sad to see it go...PS...other shows that are too good for TV...Battlestar Galactica and Venture Bros...two of my current favs
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Dude I would totaly shag that brunette and that Gilligan is a wacky little feller.
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after last week's action packed rollercoaster ride, this was the perfect wtf, calmer, come-down, episode. and it was great. so is next week the huge hangover? i don't think so.
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absolutely amazing, I never have anything bad to say about this show, I really don't want Claire to get killed off tho, even tho she's minor, i like the character. They're really doing a great job with this season.
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why does she show up both times to distract jack from following his father? Is she maybe one of these time guardians? like in Desmonds flashbacks?
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if the TASG episode is all you got then I'm sorry but even that episode has some important plot points going for it - not the least of which was Expose'...
For me personally, the events that went down in Pearl station, with Paolo evesdropping on a rather important conversation between Juliet and Ben, not to mention finding a walkie and turning out not have been taking a shit after all - ok not ALL-important to the overall story arc of the show, but INTEGRAL nonetheless...
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WTF? Who-What-Where-Why-How? I'm drinking Colt 45, official sponsor of the 6024 Air Olympics Bespin.
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Does crazy "we have to go back" Jack get hired by Penny to sit in the snow and look for a magnetic burst he knows will be coming???
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Once again I will admit I got it wrong and someone here cleared it up for me. that's why I like these AICN talkbacks.Maxer placed this in the timeline after Kate's trial and before Beardy Jack's "We have to go back rant". We know they're on the island in 2004 and last week's Ben ep was set in 2005. In the Kate episode Aaron was a big headed baby and tonight Aaron was about 4, so a couple year gap between eps. Now my initial and probably eroneous impression was that this was Jack and Kate's happy ending - finally together. I thought Jack was past the drug. alcohol and depression troubles he had in the 3rd season finale and suffering a stress related relapse. But Maxer's timeline idea makes more sense: that this episode occurred before then, that this showed us the "origin" of Jack's addiction (and explained his comments about "get my father down here" from that season finale ep), and establishes that the season three season finale with "We have to go back" is still the farthest into the future that we've seen to date.I do have a question about this to pose. I did not recognize the coffee reheating machine or that bizarrely painted retro car design Jack was driving, so I was wondering... have all the "flash forwards" been limited to the last four years, or are they actually flashing-foreward into out real time future - that is, 2009 or later? Which would still be fair - the show is scheduled to continue into 2010.Any thoughts? Does Maxer's timeline sound correct? Will the flashforwards take us "into the future"?
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May 01, 2008 10:53:02 PM CDT
Red maybe ugly, but I DO still find her strangely attractive...
by mr_macphisto
...heavy on the STRANGELY, though. Real heavy, man.
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So Jack and Claire are brother and sister?!? That's mind blowing but apparently has to come out from when Jack tells Kate "she" is not related to Aaron implying that he is aware of their relation. Man, this show has a looooooong way to go esplaining all this stuff. I hope it doesn't burn out. Some people over at my apt. tonight laughed all the way through while my one friend and I watched the show. My point being that anyone who is not initiated will not be getting into this show for the remainder of it. Most importantly, Kate is fucking hot as hell in that little number she was wearing that's fo-sho!
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I spoke up to defend it against accusations of being "filler" and hoped it would turn out okay. And it was. But Gotham's random comment about how everything happens in the last five seconds was close to true. Actually, as good at the episode was (and this is the SPOILER warning for people who turn off the TV to avoid seeing the next week on Lost coming attraction), the real totally WTF attention grabber was the last scene in the coming attraction, with Locke talking to someone who claims to have been dead for twelve years.Darlton and Lindelcuse always said it was NOT purgatory or limbo, they weren't all dead, it wasn't a surreal spiritual high concept explanation. But with delusional Hurley seeing Charlie at the institution, Jack seeing his father, Claire running off with her dad, Alpert's seeming immortality and Locke conversing with someone twelve years gone... if it's not an afterlife story they're sure going out of their ways to mess with us.Oh, and for everyone who was convinced Danielle wasn't dead and no one dies on LOST unless you see the cold dead corpse being buried... Danielle's dead.
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Fpor those of you who could NOT get it and wish to Torrent it to your computer box.
Edshrinker does this stuff for LOST and BSG with no worries of creepy cruddies. Good Quality avi file as well.
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A while back I defended the time slot change on the grounds that the FCC allows more adult and mature content on shows that air after 10:00 pm est and predicted that this could effect LOST. Not everyone agreed, even after last weeks wall to wall slaughter fest.Anyone think I was right yet? This week we have Jack mixing prescription meds with booze, a Kate shower scene, bare-legged Kate climbing Jack's torso and him carrying her around with her ass in his hands and some graphic bloody surgery.On that last topic - TMI coming, you can stop reading now if you're squeamish. Years ago I had a cyst pierced and drained and they used an experimental anesthetic spray that froze the skins surface. which allowed for a nice sharp clean puncture site, but hurt like Hell once they got below the frozen skin. And I had some necrosis removed some years ago and, well, you may not know what "debridement" means and if you're lucky you'll never need to. But when they check your prograss and trim off any remaining dead tissue, well, they have to cut into live tissue to get rid of the dead stuff. The point is, I would NOT want anyone performing major surgery on me with local anesthetic.
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Does Jack start waxing in the future for some reason. Cause I remember a slightly hairier chest on him. Oh, yeah. I'm gay.
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Didn't see that one coming...
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but the point is, Jack never knew he was Claire's half brother, and his comment to Kate that "you're not even related to him" (Aaron) implies that now he does know that he's aaron's uncle.
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Claire follows Christian, he turns around and has that Dawn of the Dead look to his face. BRAINS!!! j/k
This is the game changer that they talked about for Claire. Shw is going to be teaming with Christian somehow. As per a spoiler pic - she'll be in that cabin when Ben gets there...
MAN FRREAKIN ALIVE!!!! 10 questions answered, the two times are coming together and will meet at season's end with Jack (bearded and high)at the airport - no longer engaged I am sure, Yelling...we have to go back!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So Sawyer CHOSE to stay. There are people there (including Claire - would Kate not have mixed emotions about that) and a saving MUST HAPPEN!
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Never understood why so many thought of her as a minor player. Many large plot threads have revolved around her. Just because she often ends up the "damsel in distress" that needs rescuing does not mean she's not a vital player.
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Haha! Not exactly a filler.
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As part of my playing-nice detente with the advocates of P2P file sharing at Room 23, I've agreed to only mention once per talkback that AOL warns it's customers that "P2P programs allow users to share files over a file sharing network. Using P2P programs increases your risk of attacks from viruses, worms and other malicious programs."In fact, one advocate or P2P file sharing is so convincing in his assertions that P2P is either legal or a virtually victimless crime that I was wondering where I might have got the impression that it was frowned upon.Then last night Cartoon Network reran the episode of "The Boondocks", which reveals that Huey's neighbor, the lawyer, was traumatized at age ten by seeing a movie on TV that depicted a forcible anal sodomization in prison. He is shown deleting the MP3s from his wife's computer and telling her "File sharing is illegal and I don't want to get anally raped just so you can listen to Usher."The Boondocks is a comedy, of course, and not a sound source of legal advice. Still, I'll refer to the Italian philosopher Baretta who so profoundly said "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."I will admit, very few people who engage in peer-to-peer file sharing are detected or caught, fewer still are prosecuted, only a fraction of those are convicted and a very small percentage of them do any jail time at all, and only a fraction of them are anally raped. So the odds of your being forcibly anally sodomized for downloading an episode of Lost are probably less than one in a thousand... very, very much less. Still, before you take that chance, remind yourself of the words of the American right-to-bear-arms advocate Harry Callahan, who said "You just have to ask yourself one thing; do you feel lucky, punk?" Well, do you?
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during surgery. I had just a few minutes of semi-consciousness during major abdominal surgery and it felt so brutal. I felt the pain signals going to my brain but was unable to fight or flee from them which made my brain feel like it would explode. Then the tugging sensation. Horrible. They must have noticed something because it didn't last long and didn't happen again. That surgery scene tonight brought back a few bad memories. AHHH!!! But what a great scene and a great episode.
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that jack has his meltdown right after this eps flashfowards.also, there was no scar on jack from the appendectamy, and they made dam sure they showed the big nasty stitches.that means he gets off in the past? what was the first year the red sox win the series? he picked up the millenium falcon and pointed it at the article, so it was important. so i guess this is the first episode that ruins the whole "flashfowards are going backward" theory. I think the biggest thing in this episode was rose noticing the island was trying to stop the losties from leaving, cause thats what seems to be the case.
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But that could change if the right people get the right amount of campaign financing. The second downloading a TV show means the threat of anal rape, I'm microwaving my computer and sending my DSL money to the EFF.
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...but he sure betrayed the 'Frighter' assault team's mission and saved Sawyer, Claire, Aaron and Miles' lives.Don't you just love the way people just stand around dumbfounded whenever they get some bad news. "Uh, what exactly do you mean, hide or they'll kill us?" Jeebus, what part of that isn't clear? Just HIDE already.
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just wants to know the truth about flight 815.
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May 02, 2008 12:07:37 AM CDT
No Jury on Lapidus, he's good. No trick. Charlotte though.....
by stormwatcher
She's bad, but a redhead so hot.
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ITS TRUE BIATCHES! You know it. Stormwatcher called it.
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So could Kurt Russell. I always felt like Milo on Heroes could play Eddie Dean. Someone last week suggested someone else for Roland but can't recall who it was, it was a good fit as well. Brett Ratner as one of the monster's in the Dixie Pig.
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When Jack picked up the morning paper headline was:
" Yankees bludgeon Red Sox in series sweep"
..The NYY have only swept the BoSox in three series since 2003, here you go:
06-29-2004 vs Boston Red Sox 11-3 W
06-30-2004 vs Boston Red Sox 4-2 W
07-01-2004 vs Boston Red Sox 5-4 W
08-18-2006 at Boston Red Sox 12-4 W
08-18-2006 at Boston Red Sox 14-11 W
08-19-2006 at Boston Red Sox 13-5 W
08-20-2006 at Boston Red Sox 8-5 W
08-21-2006 at Boston Red Sox 2-1 W
08-28-2007 vs Boston Red Sox 5-3 W
08-29-2007 vs Boston Red Sox 4-3 W
08-30-2007 vs Boston Red Sox 5-0 W
Assuming the paper is not fake, and unless the O-6 are off the island and together before the plane crashes, scratch 2004..
So, it is the morning of Aug 22nd 2006..but maybe, just maybe the box score posted past print run on the west coast and it is ..08/23..hmmm 08 23..
other option.. it is the morning of Aug 31st or Sep 1, 2007
Seems it must be 22/23 AUG 2006 (also the better series for "F'n A-rod" as he went 7/20 vs. 1/8 in 07 sweep)So...
Tuesday, 22 Aug 2006 or Wednesday, 23 Aug 2006 Jack and Kate in the shower with the Millenium Falcon..giggity giggity... speculate away.
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That whole scene was really unsettling for me. I do hope we get a flashback eventually.
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That wasn't Rosseau Sawyer and Co found in the ground.
-Doesn't look like her at all..Karl looks like Karl, but the female body looks younger and non-european..Gonna have to check the HD screen caps..but pretty sure that ain't Rousseau.
And, Keamy and friends, given their background, disposition and mission wouldn't stop to bury bodies..even if they needed or wanted to conceal the tangos they would at best drag'em into scrub and press on as they know they are raiding in hostile territory..sticking around and taking time for a funeral would not be mission crit and would leave them exposed and vulnerable to the same ass-hurtin ambush they just applied. Keamy and friends would know this
Nope, That female body is a yet unknown third party (prob an other) who stumbled upon a dead Karl and a wounded Rousseau, who got herself dead and buried by a dazed and confused and ultimately, probably remorseful Rousseau (we'll see it in her flashback)
Ask which character would be more likely to bury bodies? Rousseau or Keamy?
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Maybe it's a clue, 'cause that crap aint happening. ;)
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Was that a Pyramid Hefeweizen? Yummy. GREAT at room temperature.
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Or a smokie detector?
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The proper way to pour a Hefe.
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Miles said so. So if the pale face wasn't enough for you, Miles Knows.
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How was this episode like the Catacombs of Rome?
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Didn't see your point.(last week?)..but I agree with you Keamy's team ain't stopping for pleasantries.
Fords, suck though they may now, made a nice auto in the Ford Broncos from 66-77, can be pretty sweet..and are quite collectible and many can be found still running today...Prefer IH scout's me self
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They are both full of dead Christians.
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Miles never said Rousseau was dead..he heard whispers, got a vide and asked Sawyer and Claire 'WHO?' were Danielle and Karl?..What Miles 'knows' is unknown. What Miles 'said' is known and open to interpretation. Notice that when Miles asked Sawyer if it was 'frenchie'..Sawyer looked perplexed and unsure and did not answer in the affirmitive.. Stickin with my theory. Not Rousseau in grave.
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After all he's the main character in this story. Haven't you figured it out yet? Everything revolves around Jack. Just you wait. Jack will come to the front of this story eventually. Meanwhile, GREAT NEWS this episode for Sawyer fans, our boy elected to stay behind, meaning he's still alive, still on the island, and the Kate-Jack-Sawyer love-triangle still lives on, even off the island.
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where is Juliet in all this?
what could off-island Kate be doing for Sawyer if he's not there?
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Jack has a potentially deadly situation on the island. Oh no! Is he going to die?? Well, no. We know he's not going to die because he's in a flashforward. -- Okay okay. Even if there were no flashforward of Jack, it's unlikely they would kill him off anyway. So in this case, it's not a big deal. But in the future when one of the lesser characters gets in trouble who we've seen in the flashforwards, we won't feel any anxiety at all, cause we know they live. See what I mean?
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but is Jacob like the "first" in Buffy, where it imitates dead people? Is he calling Jack (daddy) and Hurley (charlie) back to the island?˙
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Jack steps n Aaron's toy Falcon and says "Son of a bitch". Aaron is Claire's son and it's been suggested that by this time (in the flash-future) Jack knows Claire is his half sister. So why is he calling Claire a bitch? If Aaron is the son of Claire and he's a song of a bitch, then she must be a bitch/ I thought Shannon was the bitch. And Charlotte.
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I guess the 'shippers - the folks who mainly follow the show for the character based soap opera aspects and the relation'ships, must be an influential lot. Charlie and Claire, sweet. Sayid and Shannon, a little out of left field. Ben having an obsessive crush on Juliet? Effectively creepy. But Daniel Faraday with a nervous schoolboy crush on Charlotte Staples Lewis? Who saw that one coming?
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I said in the last talk-back (based on the preview) that Keamy escaped and abandoned his men when the Smoke-monster attacked. It turns out he saved them all and even took out his wounded. More than I can say for Locke who ran off and left three dead and abandoned two of his redshirts. Or left five dead, if the assaulters took out Steve and 'unknown female who may be Tracy' off-screen.We saw Danielle shot, complete with exit wound, and we saw her cold dead body in a shallow grave and people still refuse to believe she's dead. Well, yeah, it didn't look like her and Sawyer didn't confirm that it was her... and it could be the "unknown fifth redshirt" from Locke's group, as mentioned above. Because I don't know who else it could be. Or maybe the actress just didn't want to come back for a one-episode cameo to lie there in the dirt, unlike Naomi, who took three episodes just to get her eyes closed.But, seriously, with all that noise and chaos, speed and volume, fury and shooting and screaming and red mist... Smokey's attack on the Frighters resulted in zero dead and one injured? Really? Benjamin siccing the smoke monster on the assault team was such an awesome and cathartic moment in the last episode, and now we learn it amounted to nothing? Maybe ole' Smokey isn't as tough as we thought he was. Maybe it really is all done with Smoke and mirrors.
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Who said Kate and Sawyer were in contact? In the flash-future Kate's off-Island and James was left behind - he chose to stay behind. She didn't say she was in contact with him, just that she had to fulfill a promise she made to him.
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Clack would be like Shanoone.I swear to God that is the first time I have ever written that sentence in my life.
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Why the hell aren Keamy and his men dead? I thought smokie totally wiped them out.
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SPOILERThe Smoke Monster can be contained by an electro-megnetic containment fence. Keamy had a portable containment field generator. No, I don't know how it works, if it placed a force field around his group or simply created a repulsion force that drove Smokey away. But that's how he did it, and that's why the Smokey attack wasn't fatal, even for the one Frighter that it caught.This has been the Keamy and the smoke monster SPOILER.
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for anyone who wants to see a closeup of jack's naked torso and view 'the scar'
http://tinyurl.com/6hh46u
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Timeline wise, it would make sense if this was the summer of '06, with Jack Kate and happy family, and then bearded Jack was spring of '07, as was noted by the newspaper clippings at the time. However, Aaron looks awfully big for a barely 2 year old to be walking out of his own bed. Most kids don't even get their own bed until after turning 2 at least. So, based on Aaron's age, it makes more sense to be August '07.
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I guess he could be alive and has something to do with the island since we are told he died and in a casket. Another great ep!
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And the award for best performance in a serialized drama goes to... Oh, boy this is an upset! Kate's Cans? (Cut to a shot of Juliet's cans sitting in the audience saying WTF) God she did look amazing this episode. Wearing Jack's shirt with her ass hanging out. OMG. Otherwise, cant believe all Keamy's men are still alive, Smokie bitched out! Hurley is seeing Charlie on a regular basis? Why does that doctor always show up when Jack sees Christian? Claire lost in the jungle, I can see this being a set up for Sawyer to stay behind, trying to find Claire. Wonder if she is sitting the next couple episodes out? What would kate be doing for Sawyer that would make Jack so mad? It has to do with Clemintine (?) but why would that make Jack so mad? Did Miles see Christian or just hear her say something about Dad? I guess we know how Aaron makes it off the island but Claire doesn't, or maybe not. Bring on next week's episode! Watched the promo, it looks really good. Cabin Fever will be this year's Man Behind the Curtain.
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Did anyone catch that the smoke alarm went off and Jack saw Christian? Smoke....smokie?
In the previews for next week...Spoiler if you don't watch them...it was the guy in the car that pulled over when Ben was born...the guy who welcomed Ben and Roger when they got off the sub...the guy who Ben shut his eyes after the purge.
Anyone catch the part where Rose and Bernard were talking and Rose asked why Jack got sick when everyone else got better? Remember that Bernard asked her if she thought the gods were punishing him?
I'm just sayin'
Jack got a handfull of Kate's ass in the hallway. Nice.
Sawyer chose to stay. So they get a choice. Interesting.
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Was anyone else reminded of the MASH finale when Aaron started crying?
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Christian didn't die on the island. Why would his "soul" or "consciousness" be there. The gangbanger Miles exorcised was haunting his house, not the cemetary where his body lay. So I'm guessing Christian Ghost is different than Charlie Ghost. Also: Charlie had to die because Desmond "saw" Claire and Aaron get on helicopter. I'm hoping Darleton haven't forgotten this.
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JACK'S NEWSPAPER ARTICLE TEXT FROM SHOW
""Yankees bludgeon Red Sox in series sweep"
Gregg Bilson
Staff Writer
"The sweep was more emphatic last August when the Yankees rampaged into Fenway Park and won three games **(NOTE - THAT IS AN ERROR YANKEES WON FIVE GAMES IN PREVIOUS AUGUST SWEEP)** to bury the Boston Red Sox. The best the Yankees could do this time was to win three at Yankee Stadium and chisel a chunk from Boston's sizable lead in the American League East
Suzy Albnan for the New York Times Robinson Cano hit two home runs as the Yankees completed a three game sweep of the Red Sox with a 5-0 victory. The Yankees cut Boston's division lead to five games.
They have done that now, finishing off the Red Sox, 5-0, yesterday behind Chien-Ming Wang, who carried a no-hitter into the seventh inning...""
***Now, the article also shows a box score of Angels 8, Astros 4..well, that is wrong..the Astros beat the Cards 2-1 on 08/30/07 and the Brewers 1-0 on 08/30/06..So those errors and the one above aside..The Yanks did win at home, the last game of the aug 07 series was 5-0, Cano did hit two dingers, and Wang did pitch a nh into 7..So, this would indicate that the date of Jack and Kate and the Shower is: FRIDAY, 31 AUGUST 2007. (nice catch BigE)
This makes Aaron almost three (b. 1 November 2004) and this seems to be setting up the show timeline to go 'realworld - realtime' in season 5/6..however, if you marry this date up with the 'Jack Deliberate Freak Out'/ ZZ top beard in the season 3 finale flash forward..it now would seem that would have to take place late 2007 or early 2008. PROBLEM - the clipping from Season 3 finale is dated April 5th 2007...timeline conflict, thy name is newspaper prop.
I find the continuity curious..are the TPTB screwing with the audience, hinting at definitive time travel / time alteration or just sloppy? It also would seem a big time gap from rescue to 'current' events..oh, and 31 Aug 2007 would also make it the tenth anniversary of Diana, Princess of Wales and Dodi Al-Fayed dying in the car crash in Paris....hmmm I wonder if they were on Ben's list?..Danka and Guten Nacht. -
Rose aked why Jack would get sick the day before they were to be rescued? I first assumed that the island was trying to prevent jack from leaving. But what if the island is trying to force Jack to leave? Getting him sick almost garentees (?) him a ride home. Maybe the island is trying to expell those it doesn't want. it wants Claire so that is why christian appeared to her to lead her away. If that is the case though, why would the island be reaching out to Jack in the future? Obviously it didn't want Hurley to leave, so how does he get to be a part of the O6?
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Jack saw his dad last night because the smoke alarm alerted him. The smoke alarm may have gone off if Jack's dad was not a ghost but was smokie.
So my take is not thaat Christian is a ghost on the island, but that smokie manafested Charlie.
I guess my substitative proof is that Christian was holding Aaron. Ghosts supposedly have a hard time lifting/moving things. Not saying it can't be done, just saying it's supposedly hard. We've seen smokie move things (trees), hold things (the pilot, Eko, the mercinaries last week) and drag things around (Locke almost into the hole). -
I just think it's too big a coincidence for LOST not to be a clue as to who or what Christian was/is.
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I don't care if I'm spoiled this time, I need my fix now. Or a smidgen of a fix at least. Smidgen. I love that word. Anyone have a link?
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Big thanks!
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There's a reason Jack stubbed his toe on the Millenium Falcon.
TPTB have said a lot of Sawyer is based on Han Solo. It was their subtle way of forshadowing Sawyer's presence in Jack & Kate's love nest. That, and the fact he loves using Star Wars references as 'nicknames'.
I think 3 promises were made, all having to do with children. Claire made Sawyer promise to get Aaron off the island, at any cost. Sawyer made Kate promise to find his daughter and make sure she was safe...oh, and make sure she gets Aaron off the island. And finally, Jin made Charlotte promise to get pregnant Sun on that helicopter, at any cost.
So...who's right? Bernard or Rose? IS it strange jack gets violently ill right before he's suppose to leave? This island that heals...can also harm? Is the island trying to stop Jack's escape? Or...is it all just a huge coincidence?
Bernard: Hey Jack...Does this smell like chloroform to you?
I don't care...Kate was fuckin hawt last night. That hallway, in her undies, wrappin her legs around Jack kiss made my pants tight. Quite the role reversal for those two, huh? Him needing fixing, her not running...
Hurley's not crazy...they never left that island.
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THIS is the one I've really been looking forward to. But last night was NOT anywhere near a low point in the series or the season.
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"Bernard: Hey Jack...Does this smell like chloroform to you?"
I know LOL gets thrown around a lot when people don't actually LAUGH out LOUD. But this time you really, really made me LOL with that one. Holy crap. I'm still laughing for some reason. -
"all the Oceanic Six, we're all dead.. we never got off that island."
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He says "back off Donger"..
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Glad my post amused you! I'll bet that jug o' chloro will get used again before the season is done...for a far more nefarious purpose.
Well...when I say Hurley was not crazy...no...I don't think the O-6 are "dead" by any means....but I think that he was right about them never getting off the island.
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is a reference to skateboard legend Kien Liu aka "The Donger." He is also known as the ollie king & can ollie just about anything that comes in his way.
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Does ANYONE recall the opening scene (after the Lost title screen) of season 2, with Hurley muttering "4, 18, 15, 16, 23, 42, 4, 8, we're dead, 15, 16, we're dead, 23, 43..." Maybe they really ARE dead...
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...in the head OR in his statement that they're all dead, etc. If JJ and crew pull a St. Elsewhere at the end of Lost, I will personally track him down and administer a severe BOOT TO THE HEAD! This is shaping up to be one of the best sci-fi stories ever filmed. At this point, the supernatural elements are gone. Many people would disagree....what about Christian Shepard last night? Charlie visiting Hurley? Jacob? Walt? I think the "ghosts" may be unstuck in time; no Constants. But not supernatural. The smoke monster, as does most of the weird stuff on the island, seems grounded in technology, perhaps alien in nature or origin. If they never leave the island, it makes the excellent Sayid/Ben future stupid and pointless. I just don't think they're stupid and lazy enough to jerk around millions of viewers for several years to end up with a final shot of crashed plane and dead bodies of the whole cast strewn all over the beach. Then again, I'm still pissed about St. Elsewhere. Howie Mandel doesn't even mention it...and it made him a star beyond doing stand up.
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Dopplegangers :
http://tinyurl.com/39n5sx
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I'd send copies of myself to the future. Bunches of them. Just for fun.
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Go back and read my post...I said I didn't think Hurley was correct at all when he said "we're all dead". Darlton has said many, many times that they are NOT in "purgatory". Nobody is dead...that's just Hurley's assessment...at this point in the story.
I would have a bigger problem with "aliens" having ANYTHING to do with the show at all...let alone be responsible for creating Smokie.
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just throwing ideas out there. There very well could be copies of them dead, somewhere. Maybe to Hurley they're dead because he knows they will not be immortal now? Maybe he is just saying that the island killed something IN them, making them all feel dead inside. Then again, maybe he's just speaking for himself and assuming everyone else must feel the same. Or any number of other things all the way from it being an out of sync timeline to them actually being the living dead in order to set the show up early for the zombie season.
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As the producers (and Chief Brody) noted.
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The paper they used for filming was the April 5th edition of the LA times in 2007, but the date is never shown clearly on screen. They just needed a newspaper prop. I don't consider this a mistake, because it's not like they said last year that it was 2007 and then this year they're changing it...
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They haven't really escaped the island...
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another brilliant episode. That guy travelling with Sawyer sure likes to test his luck.
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It did seem kinda similar to her previous disappearance. I know it's totally different, but it did seem "familiar"
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Why would Ben leave the island? He seems to have left in a hurry? If Widmore is the reason, then why does he say that he'll get his island back from Ben? My impression is the island isn't controlled by either of them after this season ends. Then who is in control? Locke? /p
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Wouldn't it be interesting if somehow he became yet another big cog in the story. Widmore, Ben, Paik, maybe Jacob...interesting
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His name is intriguing. Why is he with Jacob and not someone else? If Hurley saw him in the cabin, then Jacob has chosen Christian for a reason. Maybe its about Jack coming back and protecting the island from Ben and Wids? All the Star Wars stuff leads me to believe that if Locke does oust Ben as I questioned in my previous post, Locke goes through a Vader like switch to the Darkside. His spiritual journey was to show a scientist like Jack that he has to have some faith in the metaphysical cuz Jacob wants Jack, not anyone else. His name is Shepherd after all. The Locke/Jacob experiment goes haywire and Jack needs to go back to fix it and accept his destiny. Thoughts?
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I'm shameless and never embarrassed to admit when one of my assumptions was wrong. Now maybe Donger is a movie character or a famous skateboarder and James knows that.But i watched it twice and heard it as "Donner". and here's why. The group was walking through the jungle. In a straight line. with Miles in the front. Remember the lyrics to Rudolph: "There's Donner and Dasher and comet and Cupid..." and Clement Moore's famous poem: "On Donner! On Dasher!..." There were marching in a line, Miles taking the lead, and Donner is always the lead reindeer (Except when they need a mutant freak reindeer to light the way.) Could also reference the famous crash victims The Donner Party.Did anyone watch wiith closed captioning to confirm "Donger"? Because "Donner" makes sense to me.Oh, and good catch on the Christian/Smoke alarm connection. That slipped by me, and it's elegant.
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That Jack's scar, in the opening flashforward after tripping on the Falcon, was on his LEFT side and not the RIGHT? Anyone with Tivo and an HDTV, check this out. I swear I saw it there.
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Am I only one that thought it was still filler after watching it?
I can understand that they need to show how good Jack took the path to pill-taking bearded Jack. (Basically Hurleys fault). It just feels a little like because of the flash-forward stuff they wanted to tell in preparation for next season, they had to make up a story with Jack. He's seriously ill. Quick surgery. He's fine.
It had some good moments. I felt a liiitle cheated by the Christian Shepherd moments, I was maybe expecting more. But compared to the intense plot drivenness of last week, it just seemed a little bit like they were treading water.
Anyone else notice the similarity between Miles physic dead people noises and 'the whispers'? Maybe thats where his power comes from....?
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I can't believe Sawyer would reference 16 Candles...But he did! He could have also gone with:
Jackie Chan
Charlie Chan
Kung Pow
Hong Kong Phooey
But...I think Donger nailed it.
Would love to find out some of the freighters were working for Paik...I mean...it was apparent Abbadon was doing the recruiting....but Ben managed to get Michael on board as Kevin Johnson...whose to say Paik couldn't have gotten one of his peeps on board, too?
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Just finished watching it, everyone loved The Shape of Things to Come but I think this episode was much better, one of the strongest of the season. I never thought I'd miss a Shepard centric episode, but after watching this one, I realize I did. It was pretty compelling and good damn drama.
While nothing revolutionary in terms of mysteries, the triple appearance of Christian Shepard is enough to get me excited, the timing is perfect since Locke and Ben are headed to Jacob and if peoples theorys that Jacks dad is Jacob then it'll fit together nicely.
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Um...actually...I don't think it was filler at all...Remember...this is a strike shortened season...Which means if we were getting our regular slate of 16...this whole Jack/appendix thing might have stretched out over 2 episodes...but because we are only getting 13, his surgery and recovery had to be sped up.
Des...I don't know what LOST has to do to make your jaw drop...but seeing Jack, Kate & Aaron shacked up and playin house was NOT filler to me....Jack proposing to Kate was definitely NOT filler...Claire calling Christian "Dad" was NOT filler...Christian & Charlie haunting Jack from the grave was NOT filler...Kate doing secret stuff in the future for Sawyer was NOT filler. I dunno, man...
Maybe we aren't watchin the same show...but that's what I love about LOST...sure...last week was all "Guns blazing, assassinations, Smokie monster rampaging, secret rooms, teleportin' bad ass Ben, and other crazy shit"...but that was LAST week...LOST has never been consistent week to week with balls out action...but that doesn't make last night's outting any more of a "filler episode" than the one that proceeded it. It was just more subtle, I guess.
Either way, it's not predictable.
BTW...my drinking game was a bust...Nobody said the word "Jacob"...Kate never cracked under pressure...and Claire was not killed...well...at least not that we know of. So, I was sober as a judge by the end.
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Didnt notice anyone else bring this up, but anyone else think Jack is knowingly time/space jumping? If you watch everytime it shows Jack lose concience or him sleeping, it cuts to a flash forward. Maybe why he did not want to lose concience during his operation, because as soon as he did it jumped to him in the flashforward. It felt like he didnt trust Juliet, for more than one reason, so he wanted Kate there. Also I dont trust Bernard, he always seems to be around Juliet when they cut to a Juliet scene, and she let him stay during the operation while making Kate leave, it definitely felt they didnt want Kate seeing what was about to happen.
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It was setting up how Jack wasn't suppose to leave the island and how he was tempted by Kate and Aaron and he's not suppose be living off the Island happy. The island made him sick and tried to keep him there, but he leaves anyway. Then he goes all bearded and tries to kill himself but the Island won't let him, its not done with him yet. It needs him to stop the evil Locke! ALL HAIL DARTH LOCKE!
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I thought it was Cassidy, and then it had added credential when she said she was doing something for Sawyer.
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It was dear ole daddy. We speculated or saw (can't remember which) Christian and Sarah were at least speaking to each other during their breakup. Jack had that idea back then, wherever it came from. Then he starts seeing dad, he spoke to him, and Jack started the downward spiral. Pills. Booze. Pushing people he loved away.
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first off, if u call this episode filler, u fell asleep halfway through and missed alot....second, about miles...again, if u were paying attention he didnt hear whispers, he hear voices and screams...i think it was alex screaming...not sure....also not sure why he seems very reluctant to say hes a psychic...maybe hes a reluctant psychic....lol.....powerful episode all around....especially the part where he asks kate to marry him
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what I'm getting at Napoleon is that the Island exists in it's own little bubble of reality containing only the Island and nothing else. This is why if you swim\sail out in any direction BUT the special co-ordinates you're not going to get home. The time shift is not the only reason you need the right co-ordinates. 'Our' weather problems can't affect the Island at all, for the same reason 'our' planes and ships can't find the Island. It's not because it's hidden, it's because it's not there.
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that freaky dude talking to Locke in the previews for next week. It's him, it's Jacob, he's a real person after all. Next week's episode will own all our asses.
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http://tinyurl.com/5qrv2l
Hope this helps you. BTW SPOILER ALERT...when talking about the previews, Squiddy...Some of us prefer not to watch them. So...careful.
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Too much talky talky for you. Don't worry. They'll blow something up next week.
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It's true. "Get out Kate!!!" Why the hell would she say that once Jack is knocked out???
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You didn't have anythiing to do with it. Or did you?
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http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
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rbrog77, yes, I was screaming "Shut that chicken up!" during that scene. So, you weren't the only one thinking "MASH".
I did call "Donger" as soon as Sawyer said it as I posted during the show. I didn't trust my hearing, but I guess I heard what I thought I heard.
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Anyone catch that bit from the S.3. finale when Jack said "You bring my father down here!" and how they may have explained it. I guess that means that in this episode, Jack saw his dad on the top floor of the hospital while he was working late at night. At some point later on when Jack is on his booze and pills bender, he says "bring my father down here!" ie. Jack is remember when he saw him that night on the top floor. Assuming that the Christian Shepard apparition happened in the same hospital where Jack tried to get the pills in the season 3 finale, that is. eh, works for me...
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ahh, life is always a bit better with a sixteen candles reference. Donger. Brilliant.
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Jack knows, logically, that his father is dead, but he's fucked up, and he's drunk and he's angry and it's just something he says. He's probably been seeing his father around, too.
Also, wasn't claire supposed to have a vision with charlie, but they cut it out for running time? That's what she meant by "seeing things". Look for that to be put in somewhere.
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I think that ben teleported to the new (un-revealed) ice dharma location and then to the desert - remember the polar bear connection? - now that ben's secret room has been revealed that is going to be the way off the island and I'm sure it will be destroyed somehow before everyone can use it so it only supports the escape of oceanic 6.
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Michael Shannon as Roland and Joseph Gordon-Leavitt as Eddie Dean!
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That was beyond "filler". It was a waste of an hour. I don't get why they even need a filler episode this season seeing as they had to fight so hard after the strike to add one more hour to the show this season. Every single episode should be a super condensed, important, story line moving episode at this point! I can't wait for them to get back to moving this story forward.
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..for 45 minutes, then 15 minutes of the smoke monster tearing some guys up. Perfect episode.
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Sawyer used to be Han Solo ala New Hope, but he's been acting more like Admiral Ackbar Return of the Jedi.
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Now that's Admiral Ackbar. "Your tounges can't repel flavour of that magnitude!!"
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I know what you mean! Man that was one smokin hot view ...Can't believe more people haven't referenced that or linked screen caps
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Sayid specifically asks Ben in the Flash Forward "how did you get off the island?" and Ben says (basically) "By boat", not 'teleporting'. I think some things are getting destroyed in the next few weeks.
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ben lies a lot
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I'm not sure if you've ever tried, but it's pretty hard to charter a boat to the middle of the Sahara.
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He basically thinks ... SPOILER? .... that Claire is already dead. She died when the house blew up. We're seeing her ghost or something - that's why Miles is so interested in her. That's why she went off with Christian and left Aaron behind.
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We don't know what Desmond actually "saw". He SAID he saw Claire and Aaron on a helicopter. He may have just seen Aaron getting on the helicopter and told Charlie different so that at least Aaron would get "rescued".
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No, it was not the thrill-a-minute actionfest of Ben's episode, but it was pretty damn cool nonetheless. We got some fun intrigue with Claire, some fun creepy time with Hurley, complications with Jack and Kate's future, medical drama (possibly intrigue if you buy into the conspiracy theories floating around - I don't), more Miles (who I personally dig), etc. Plenty of good setup.
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Gets to...
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1. Kate has a freaking killer ass and I would kill anyone on that island twice over to tap it and 2. As hot as Kate is, I'd rather bang Claire. I think with a little work, though, I could get them both at the same time. I've got mad game like that.
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Ben lies like a champ...he just doesn't leave holes in the story
He told Des he too the Elisabeth on the special heading he has. That would be Des' boat - which is still there - since last season most everyone thinks rescue is there. Or they stay with Locke to have no plan for leaving - but want to survive the freighter folk.
There was that pic we re-posted in Room 23 with Locke and what looks like ClaireBear in the background. Hmmm.
I love the theory she is really dead - but it would all fit together if her disappearance happened with the house's destruction. What's up with he conscious chick Sawyer rescued. That being said...
-What we didn't see..."
"Claire, it's time"
"What about my Aaron, daddy?"
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There's way too much attention to Ben. When your whole thing is that you're mysterious, being mysterious and doing mysterious things and implying that you have mysterious knowledge of events GETS OLD FAST if you're on screen too much. It's fun in small doses but incredibly tedious when overused. Even the action has been boring. They built the Others up over a long period of time, which gave that conflict some relevance, but the "Boaties" just show up and start shooting shit and we're supposed to care for some reason. I don't think using peoples' motivations as a source of mystery has ever been Lost's strong point. Things like the hatch and the button and the stations and Darma are brilliant because they offer clues into the larger fictional world. But when there's a bunch of people walking around refusing to divulge their motives and acting mysterious, what you essentially have is a group of assholes, and the result, for me at least, is annoyance rather than compelling mystery. Again, they handled this better with the Others, whose actions alluded to the larger fictional universe and were thus made compelling. The Boaties, by contrast, have nothing beyond their motivations as mystery and the only source of intrigue in the current season is their refusal to divulge that information. They're basically just being pricks; it's not interesting.
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I was also disappointed with the survival of the military guys
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"Oh no! It's some kind of smoke monster!"
"AAGH! It cuts like... well, it cuts like a dull butter knife.."
OOWW, It burns like... well, I wouldn't really call it burning, more of an uncomfortable temperature..."
"It's attacking me! Ahhh! Damn, that's annoying!!"
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I really like Jorge Garcia's acting during the death scene, really creepy.
Speaking of creepy, this whole episode just had a dark vibe to it with all the dead people walking around.
While there was no suspense in Jack's surgery, I agree with an above poster who said it was a way for the island to tell jack not to leave. After all, you're not supposed to get sick on the island. Maybe Ben got cancer off the island. Perhaps he was losing favor with Jacob.
It's awesome Christian Shepard has become such a key character, and he's not even alive. Lost has always was good at giving new life to it's dead characters.
I like how claire's not dead like everyone was expecting.
Is it possible all the castaways see dead people because they've had near death experiences like Claire?
Overall, while this episode didn't kick your dick in the dirt like last week's, it was still a solid episode. If there has to be filler episodes, at least they should be as good as this one.
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..while at the same time acknowleging that when a show is as good as Lost even the filler has substance. I hope someone has the entire continuity mapped out on some enormous flow chart because they have a lot of loose ends to tie up between now and the final episode and if they don't it will feel gyppy, like they were simply better at posing cool questions than providing satisfactory answers. Love it though, wife got wise to Olivia Munn and made it impossible to watch Attack of the Show, Lost is brimming with the most gobsmackingly hot women in TV and I get to watch them without hassle simply because it's that damn good. Can I get an AMEN on trying to watch shows with hot chicks with the wife in the room brothers?
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Smokester totally whooped on Ecko, like with the death. An 36 mercs go into a jungle, tango with said Smokey beast and walk home? Fuck Smoke-turd and Ecko is no Keamy.
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Such a better match for Jack. Not as attractive as Kate (IMHO), but would be much more fun to spend time with. But we're never really THAT attracted to our perfect matches, are we? Sad.
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Maybe, just maybe Smokey looked into their minds and decided they were the good gu... wait... that can't be right. It seems inconsistent, but there may be a good reason. I remember hearing something about them having a kind of device that can fight smokey. After all, they knew not to pass through the fence, right? Without turning it off first. It's really not that far fetched to assume these guys know a few things about the dangers of the island. Remember who sent them?
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For those left out by the networks that be...
Off to the 23rd Room
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Fire out your disclaimer.
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A)As some have already suggested is she dead already?
B)Will we see much of her again or has she gone off with Christian/Smokie for good... well at least for this season
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well, my day anyway. home just in time to d/l BSG. morning coffee and BSG. can't wait.
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Cause he looked like The Wonder Retard in his last episode.
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I'm likely "late" on this, so I'll just ask the question. What are the theories on why Juliet seems to be a jinx to everyone she gets close to? Her sister was once sick--- having gone through chemotherapy, Goodwin was murdered, Ben gets a tumor and Jack supposedly gets appendicitis (on an island that Rose pointed out was a place where people get better and not sick). She seems to play a bigger role in this story than some might think. Along those lines, since Jack never "saw" his appendix in the mirror (and he's yet to see it since), what do we think was the *real* cause of--- and the reason for--- his procedure?
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Way up at 5/1/08-11:42:12 - topic line "So it's "Pirate" like the baseball team?"I'm limiting it to one per talkback.
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or does he have downs syndrome? Probably too soon to tell, but he's a Star Wars fan, that's got to tell you something.
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Nah.. he's too young to get laid, let alone NEVER get laid.
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memories of last thursday......
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Amen. Sorry I was late with that. Man, it sure ruins the enjoyment of watching things with your woman when all she thinks about is whether or not you're ogling whatever female is on screen. Don't they ever understand it eventually just makes you want to avoid watching things with them?
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I wondered when you were going to show up at this thing. Good to see you back.
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the days suck for me and posting. only in the evening, i'm afraid.
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in last night's episode when he was 'stalking' the bench where hurley sits with charlie.
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Ah... well... I guess that "technically" is a theory. Even if it *is* a wise crack :-)
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In my personal Lost vocabulary I've split the group from the Freighter up into several sub groups. The main three are "The Science Team" (Charlotte, Miles, Faraday and Lapidus plus their team leader, the late Naomi)). "The Frighters/Assault Team" - I vary between those two terms for Kearny and Omar's mercenaries. I don't rely entirely on "assault squad" because of an explanation that the term "assault weapon" is a misnomer. Although the explanation that any weapon can be used in an assault is a bit unnerving. Assault pistols and Assault knives are fine, but he idea that God made the world and loaded it up with Assault Rocks and Assault Pointy Sticks is upsetting. The third group gets the generic title "Freighties" and that would include anyone involved in the operations of the vessal as opposed to being passengers aboard for a specific mission. Captain Gault and... well, um, with Doc Ray, Regina, Minkowski and Brandon all dead, other than the Captain and "Kevin Johnson", who IS minding the ship? Random extra sailot redshirts? Oh, and there's Team Saymond - Sayid and Desmond... and Michael might questionably be part of their group, or not.Will everyone who doesn't read or have access to the shows spoilers please stop asking how Keamy and the Assault Squad escaped from the smoke monster. That WILL be explained - if you read this talkback including posts labeled "spoiler" it HAS been explained. So please let it drop for the benefit of those who prefer to be surprised.I do have a question, though it is probably invalid. It seems a good sized segment of Lost theoreticians are willing to believe either in ghosts or that the "spirit of The Island" or the Smoke Monster is capable of posing as the departed. Jack's dad Christian shows up off island and sets off a smoke alarm. Hurley sees Charlie. Various unlikely appearances of departed people and animals on the Island. And Hurley saw Dave - NOT a ghost because Dave was Hurley's imaginary friend, therefore the apparitions are triggered by thought. In this episode we accept that Jack sees Christian, be believe Hurley when he says he's been visited regularly by Charlie. (preview based SPOILER) In the preview we see that Locke will have a conversation with someone who has been dead for twelve years. (Spoiler based SPOILER) And it has been reported elsewhare that Keamy survived the attack of the Smoke Monster. That spoiler did NOT state that the rest of his team did. In the previous episode we were led to believe that a vengeful Smokey was attacking the Frighties with unstoppable force - the person we saw it drag into the jungle looked like a goner for sure. And yet we see them as a group with the dragged man injured but not dead. Consider this: What if Smokey wiped out everyone of that tram except for Keamy? If it can appear as an imaginary friend, a dead father, a black horse... What if it's posing as the assault squad in order to get around keamy's defense?Or this. We still don't know if Smokey is a manifestation of the Island spirit or how Jacob fits into that equation. But we know the island tends to get what it wants. And Frank Lapidus was supposed to be piloting Flight 815. When the plane came and Smokey found Seth Norris at the controls it shredded him and left his corpse hanging in a tree. And, eventually, Frank Lapidus came to the island. So if The Island spirit/Smokey wants Keamy and wants Lapidus and killed the assault squad, why not pose as them as a means to acquire both prizes?If "The Island" made Jack sick to keep him from leaving... What if Smokey is posing as Omar, the sniper, the wounded guy and the rest so that Keamy and Lapidus will lead it straight to the helicopter so it can prevent anyone from leaving? (Of course, based on our trust in the Flash-Futures, we know that Six do leave and helicopter seems more plausible than teleporter. But then, based on Keamy still being alive, we know that Smokey isn't infallible.)
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... it may not be the island that got Jack sick. It may be Juliet (whose hands were steady during Ben's surgery, yet became shakey when holding a mirror for Jack) or even Kate (who, unfortunately, already has experience drugging people).
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Where is the ol' Sawyer the one who didn't give a damn about anyone except Freckles? The Sawyer that sacked and pillaged the wreckage and kept the good stuff and the guns buried? The Sawyer who made up somewhat insulting names for the people on the island? I'd be able to accept his overprotectiveness of Claire if only he's doing it so he can get some lovin' out of it. Sawyer ain't Jack.
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A whole house blew up around her. All she got was a scratch and a bandaid on her adorable forehead. So now there are two Indestructible Claires on TV.
Save the Mom, Save the Island?
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ever hear of something called character development? you gotta believe that after all the time theyve all been together than sawyer's developed some kind of bondingness (sorry) with some of the other losties besides kate. now im not saying that all his badassery is gna fade away (hopefully) but you have to expect someone in his situation to begin to care for those around him, especially the (constantly) helpless ones.
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He's been through a lot in a short time. He also sort of KILLED the major monkey on his back that was making him hate the world. Of course I think he's learning it's not as simple as that, but the man's shoulders must be a few lbs lighter these days. He has a purpose, and he's embracing it now. Seeing the character develop in this way is one of the better parts of the show, lately. As far as characters go. There's more to this guy than meets the eye.
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http://tinyurl.com/3xlefa"THE LOST GIRLS" - 12 pages with 4 images per page - "click to embiggen" - showing the forty-eight (48!) actresses who have appeared on Lost two or more times.Did You know that Peg Bundy appeared on Lost as john Locke's girlfriend? That Aunt Zelda from "Sabrina the Teenage witch" plays Kate's mom? That cast members from "Las Vegas," "Titus," "Boston Legal" and "Deadwood" have all had recurring roles on "Lost"? It's
true.Did you know the woman who played a news anchor was actually a news anchor? Or that the woman who walked around out of focus in the background of crowd scenes in a yellow bikini is a professional
bikini model? You can't make this stuff up!Forty-eight! And it's right up to date, with the blonde redshirt who was shot at Locke's camp last week and the Doctor that Jack was working with on the latest episode.
The with captions identifying who
each actress is. If you need help putting their faces together with
the characters they played, there's a handy list, alphabetized by actresses last name.Check it out. http://tinyurl.com/3xlefa
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1.) James Ford's mother was teken in by a con-man named Sawyer. His father killed her and then commited suicide.2.) James tracked down the man who did it and killd him. He got the wrong man.3.) He became a con man himself. he conned a woman who caught him, then taught her the game. But when she put up her own money for a long con, he took it and ran. Leaving her pregnant with his daughter.4.) After the plane crashed Sawyer looted the wreckage and stockpiled all the guns, medications, ointments, sunglasses, and other valuables he could haul away, for trading purposes.5.) In order to get in good with The Others, John Locke needed to kill his own father, but couldn;t do it. After learning that his father was the "Sawyer" who caused James' parents death, he conned the con man and got James to do his killing for him.6.) When the others attacked the tents at the beach and fell into a trap, then capptured the trappers, oonly to have Hurley come to their rescue, James gunned down the much-deserving-it Tom Friendly in cold blood after the man surrendered, which freaked Hurley out a little.7.)James clearly cares for Kate, but can't seem to keep the relationship going, especially after learning she might be pregnant.8.)James is becoming increasingly angry and violent. He gave Benjamins a beating. He drew down on Locke. He threatened Miles.James "Sawyer" Ford has certainly been through a lot, both in his life and on the island, but he's a long way from redemption, and if anything he's headed the other way.
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SPECULATION POSSIBLE SPOILER
I get the feeling that the show is moving to "current time" aka 2007-2008, like some have speculated above.
Could it be that the writers want to introduce a grown up "taller" Walt?
I mean they haven't brought him back because of his growth spurt in real life. And he did have some connection with the island.
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You're onto something there. I suspect that when the shows creators say that the next seasons will feature "flash backs, flash forwards and flash sideways" that what "flash sideways" means is that we'll be seeing what happens both off and on the island simultaneously during whatever time period the shows "present" winds up as.scene I'd like to see:O-6 Lostie: "We've come back to the Island to confront The Others because we want the children that they took from The Tailies"Other: "Children? What children? No children here. We have a couple of teenagers if you'd like them..."
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'Nuff said.
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Before we get too carried away thinking Rose is right about the island striking Jack down perhaps we should factor in the dead pregnant women. Just saying the island isn't all about healing.
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How the hell can anyone of you think Rebecca Mader is ugly lmao...you guys are so damn gay. The chick is smoking hot.
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Mader is very attractive.
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damn brain not working well today...
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New starting center for the LA Clippers
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Christain is her guide to Valhala where she gets to hug little snaggleteeth Charlie
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Stellar work in the Room. That is a beautiful compilation...every one of them. Very nice work.
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...actually, I almost had the impression Jack worked for her...
Is she Preggers? She looked huge in the Ep...certainly not in her pub shot.
You'll LOVE this Nap.
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Bernard says to Jack : don't you want to be DREAMING about Something Nice Back Home.
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I think the guy at EW said that this WAS the future, not a dream for Jack. He had it on some authority that Jack wasn't dreaming about leaving the island - this was the future. Though I thought the same thing when Bernard said that too.
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As you watched that ass walk upstairs in her little short-shorts after kissing Jack goodnight..."Something Nice Back Home" makes a whole lot of sense to me.
I think the favorite kiss mentioned by Darlton was the one planted by Kate, right after the reveal it is her when she gets out of the shower. THAT was how you say "Good morning". Con artists know how to turn your toes over backward with a kiss - and she is still a con at heart. And she digs Jack.
It still bugs me to no end that the fact that Kate can be all flirty with Jack AND HE BUYS INTO IT LIKE A TROUT ON A HOOK. I know this is gross, but the way my mind works is...Sawyer's stuff is still up in that. How can I buy the "flirty" with that fact in my consciousness? IF I kiss her, she could have very well ALSO had Sawyer's stuff...
You see my point as gross as it is. Jack has got it REALLY bad for this girl to not think that. And she gets to play with both her boys. BAck and forth. That is why Sawyer's line was SO perfect, SO right on..and pissed Katums off SO much - "as soon as you get pissed at Jack, you'll be right back here". If Sawyer was Oceanic 7 - where do you think she would have been after their argument in this Ep?
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Is it possible that the DR. CHRISTIAN SHEPHERD found in the hospital morgue in Australia was actually a distant future version of DR. CHRISTIAN SHEPHERD? Does that make sense? What if Jack really did find his father's dead body in Australia...but only a final dead version of him? Dr. Christian Shepherd could actually be on the island right now (in the present -- not flashbacks or flashforwards). However, he could also "teleport through time" into the past -- to the place where his he drank himself to death. Does that make sense? Just a thought, anyway...
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...everyone left on the island dies in the finale? Is this the reason that Jack wants to go back? Perhaps he believes that he can return approximately 23 minutes back in time before everyone dies and he can somehow save them all? Speculation, speculation, speculation!!! God -- I love LOST!!!
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And last week Widmore starts drinking when the nightmare's start. Does having a connection to the island make you a drunk?
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going to tell Jack about Claire being his sister, but now I'm pretty convinced papa shepard is going to spill the beans. Jack finding out about Claire is my best guess for why he wants to go back to the island so bad.
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I tried to defend Brighteyes fave. I argues that Jack's a lead character and a new Jackforward ep was a good thing. And apparently any number of dedicated lostiphiles here agreed.But this talkback keeps sliding down the charts. Well, after the epic monthlong hiatus talkback and then last weeks epic double-oh-Bencentric ep. it had to be a letdown. And Herc's writeup focused on a couple of minutes of Faraday he deemed Emmyworth - his quote of the week was even a tossed off line between Faraday to Charlotte. And if we can take Gotham's word for it - and really, why not, numbers don't lie - this ep did not do well in the ratings, whether the time slot, the more mature direction or the fact that it was a Jack episode. Season's worst, I think he said. Yes, this was far from a filler episode. (Although some, such as the "origin of Jack's tattoos" might fit that description.) And yes this is still a character driven ensemble anthology and not every episode can focus on non- stop balls-to-wall slam-bacg action or the hot characters dujour, who curently seem to be Benjamin, then Desmond and Penny. But what I'm gathering here is that even the shows most devoted fans (except for the aforementioned Brighteyes, whom I rib) seem to have moved on and decided on their own that Dr. Jack Shephard and Ghostdaddy are not what this show is "about" anymore. The AC Nielsen viewers have voted with their ratings, the AICN talkback regulars with their silence and their absence. Good episode - plugged in the gaps between Lying Under Oath Jack and variant beardy Go-Back Jack. But good isn't always good enough on a series where fans have been lead to expect greatness. Especially during this great come-back season.
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Napoleon, you have me between not wanting what you are saying to be true - and to argue against...and knowing it is true and facing reality.
It may be this is just a show that has the original die hard fan base, and the herd that dip in and out of shows that make or break ratings. Most agree The Constant as Lost's best of the best. And ratings sure don't reflect that. -
That is all
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The island? Maybe being of slightly weak character (is that fair? or too harsh?) and under extreme stress can make you a drunk. But I don't think it takes a magical island to make it happen.
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Because if they cancel it before it's finished, with this show the fans will actually HURT someone. For real. I think it would be more than a Trek-inspired letter writing campaign. I think people would freak out. But I ma curious about one thing.
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Darned fat fingers. Darned migraine.
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Great echo in here though.
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I'm not not talking in this talkback because I didn't love this episode I want that to be clear, Im not talking here because the amount of haters and ignorant post. I'm tired of this talkback, its no longer fun for me, so I'll be spending most of posting at the Lost jay and jack website , where people don't post with such malice. I'll be back to post some day when I fell I need to but this place is no longer a cool place to discuss and debate, till then Take care and have fun you guys. Team JAck!
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Internet d/ls MUST play a part in rating sructure. Lost mustbe one of the most rewacthed shows in history.
Xi - I don't have instasplooge for KAte - but that shot of her going up the stairs...THAT was as fine a piece of tail you willever see walking away. Those legs and perky butt in those shortshorts...I wish that was the ONLY way they even show Kate. "I'm coming with you" (her only real dialogue...over and over). ANd then have her turn around and walk away in those shorts. Ratings would go up. Or maybe just my pants.
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Sorry to see a passionate fan like you go BrightEyes, but Jay and Jack, wha??
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REALLY well written. I'm loving it.
Filesharing statistical data: It's out there, it's free and I'm surprised no-one is using it. BUT the main reason they don't use it for TV programming is that it's useless to them if the ads are not present. That's why I think they should go back to a "presented by" credit during the opening sequence of every show. Then the data would matter more to those who collect it. Not that the data has no meaning without ads, it's still valuable. It's just more valuable if the viewer is aware that the program is being sponsored and they know who that sponsor is. -
I and I'm sure others hope you'll reconsider. You'll be missed. Would they miss you over there at that new place?
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So..I'm at a party..some young buck starts talking LOST..the natasha he is working has been deployed and busy for...well years..young buck pulls out...his dvd's (dvd's ..you nasty minds)..and proceeds to show the LOST pilot..
and..My gods, I never thought..well re watching the LOST Pilot..there was some such of an epiphany...
When Jack and Kate and Charlie go to find the cockpit I noticed that..
1) The FO, the co-pilot chair was empty..empty as in blatantly shown to be so..no body...Grunberg was hanging in his straps...but the FO chair was empty..I think that is not an accident.
2) When watching Grunberg speak.."6 hours in (pause) our radio went out (pause) No one could see us (pause) we turned back to..to land in Fiji (pause) by the time" ..by the time... well..God almighty, bless JJ's sweet secret soul..I am convinced he had the libretto in mind all along..cause SMOKIE went out of his way to snack on Grunberg from the empty FO chair which he climbed into, not the pilot chair..Kate had climbed up and into the Pilot seat..I think now that SMOKIE is task specific..I think SMOKIE only uses some such force from caressive to deadly on those specifically designated as targets..by whatever power that may be..and Grunberg was not intended ..SMOKIE was looking for the FO..and warping into the present..I think that explains Keamy and friends living..I don't think Ben sent SMOKIE to kill, only to distract..and I think that is why SMOKIE showed..SMOKIE has a conscious
so, re watching 1.1 for the first time in four years..I swear it now seems that the FO was absent by design and that the pilot (Grunberg) was 'IN' on the crash as in ordered or paid to take the plane to some such grid reference..not knowing that bang zoom..the plane would go down..and when he is relating his tale it is a dazed 'CONFESSION'..not an explanation..as the radio he pulls out is non standard..it is a third party provided tucked away secret method of communicating with his task master..it was as if he was expecting to use it after the event..when he told Jack where to find it..it was company standard but rather tucked awaySo, I am sayin now..the pilot worked for Widmore..or some such power with designs..and that is why Lapidus was not flying the plane, he was removed by design and intention...so why..and who ..was the missing FO'?..wow, maybe it is the whiskey, but seeing ep 1.1 again for the first time in 4 years..I have to give props and acknowledgment to the TPTB that they may really have had this story figured from the git go...just awesome...just sayin.watch ep 1.1 and 1.2 again when you can and knit the blanket together..wow. -
isn't it? a few cobwebs building up, it looks like. anyone see iron man? i liked it a lot, but then again, i am quite a trollop when it comes to Robert Downey Jr.
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There is something INSIDE dawn that shouldn't be there????
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TEETH!!
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hey, folks have arrived since i opened the page.... hiya!
yes, Dexter rocks. although i have not read the book, i am all caught up on the episodes. season two took a bit of a dive for me (lila was annoying and nuts), but still good. i love the blood spatter pictures around Dexter's desk. -
BrightEyes (good band, too). Sometimes you have to try to ignore the stuff you don't like. I know it is difficult, but some of us are a-okay and would love to hear more from you.
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good, solid, dramatic episode. not a crowd pleaser like last week's Linus episode. But that was the hard to follow rollercoaster.
there was a lot to like about this episode, but poor jack worries me. why does he always think getting married will help fix a stressful situation? Hurley has told him that 'you're not supposed to raise him, Jack', they he is out stalking the benches where Charlie visits Hurley, then after all that stress he says, hey, why don't we get married? that should fix everything. I just don't quite get it. He tries so hard to do the 'right' thing all the time. It's kind of painful for me to watch, on a personal level. His version of the 'right' thing to do does not always seem like the best option. -
that the bodies were buried with their faces sticking out? like they were slowly sinking or being absorbed into the ground? If you're going to take the time to bury the bodies, wouldn't you just do the job right? makes me think something else is up.
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That clears that up. Danielle IS dead. But will be get her history still?
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Ok...first off...Xip...
E-fuckin-Vangeline-motherfuckin-Lilly is hotter than ANY chick you will fuck the rest of your days. Period....Horse teeth and all.
So...um...fuck off with all that.
Pa...Danielle's FB will come courtesy of Ben...and it will show you how he was trained to be a bad ass by Alpert.
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I hate to burst yer frickin bubble...But, Sayid & Des are on opposite sides in the future. So, saying...TEAM SAYMOND is like saying...TEAM OSWALDKENNEDY!
Just saying.
How are you motherfuckers anyways?
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And Jenna Jameson is retired...
I understand, dude.
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What are you talkin about you drunk motherfucker?
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.. well, I guess you can. But by normal standards she's an attractive woman. I'm kinda liking Juliet more these days. Not for her looks. The character's personality sort of lights the fuse for me. She's tough but tender, smart, funny.
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Copy & Paste you doubters...
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Have a great night/morning. Off to work.
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and it's not supposed to post when I hit tab, dammmit. Anyway...there are a lot of types of attractiveness. And there was a great episode on Newsradio where Beth (Vicki Lewis) described the difference. I don't remember the whole chunk but my favorite part was "Handsome?" "Attractive but not pretty" "Striking>" "Handsome with a big nose."If you pay attention to child stars who grow up, you know that "cute" is the great betrayer that can go either way. Cute can turn into pretty or turn into a gnome.And I'm sure some of you bad boys have heard of the phrase "butterface," as in "She's got a great body, Oy, but her face..."I think Claudia Christian and Juliana Marguiles are very handsome women. I think Jennifer Garner somehow went to beautiful while by-passing pretty entirely.And of course "sexy" has no real connection to any level of attractiveness. Oh, some guys might only be able to or want to perform with "pretty" or "Beautuful" or "built" on a physical level and even avoid making an emotional connection with someone who doesn't meet their standards. And others of us figure sex with unattractive people is why we're allowed to take off our glasses and turn off the lights.As for Kate... (next)
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Evangeline Lilly is a very attractive woman. And when my mom would feed me something new I didn't like I'd say it was interesting. "Attractive" is what you say when the words cute, pretty, beautiful, handsome or striking just don't seem to fit. She's certainly more attractive than a butterface. I can see that in an abstract sense she's very sexy and pleasing to observe... she just don't do it for me. And that's not to say that she isn't a lot more attractive than the woman who have done it for me... But whatever it is that does it for me, she ain't got it.Oh, and does anyone have one of those big-ass High Definition TVs? How's she look on that? Because I have a quarter-century old RCA 25-incher that's sort of impressionistic when it comes to sharp focus, but even I can tell that her front teeth are gray and her side teeth are sort of ivory or caramel colored. I mean, I get that those people haven't brushed their teeth for nearly 100 days, but couldn't Bernard the dentist have taught them something about keeping their teeth clean with a chewed twig and some sea salt or something? Because if her two front teeth are false and that's why they don't match the color of the rest of them, that fits in with my "something hit her in the face when she was a girl, but she healed up really well considering" theory. Yeah, she's better than I'll ever have, but fortunately for me, I don't want her, so the point, as Joey Tribbiani once said, is moo.
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I mentioned this is an older talkback and no one picked up on it, so maybe it's just me. But what's up with that diagonal fold on the right side of the tip of her chin? And when she smiles, squints and wrinkles her nose there's this wierd textural thing like a badly peeled sunburn.When I was watching this episode I kept wondering if she had some accident when whe was a girl and healed up really well but just a little bit "off". And does anyone have one of those big-ass High-Definition TVs? How's she look on that? Because I have a quarter century old 25" RCA with a sort of impressionistic focus, but even I can tell that her two front upper teeth are gray and the rest of her side teeth are sort of ivory or caramel. I get that these people have been on this island for nearly 100 days without toothbrushes, but couldn't Bernard the dentist have shown then some way to keep their teeth clean with chewed twigs and sea salt?If she has a couple false teeth n front, that would tie in with my "something smacked her in the face when she was young but she healed up really nicely" theory.Okay, before the manly men get on my case, she's hotter than any woman I've ever been with or ever will. But since she doesn't turn me on anyway, then as Joey Tribbiani once said, the point is moo.
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There was a little speculation that it would be a Jack-filler episode before it aired, and I tried to present an argument for why more flash future Jack would be a good thing.The episode was a bit underwhelming, but had some good material and wasn't at all bad. It just didn't bring the awesome the way the last few did. But the talkback was largely favorable. There were some negative comments, but it's AICN and there always are.There have been some great episodes this season. I gather "the Constant" was ahuge fan favorite. I liked "Ji Yeon" more than some - the "flash back/flash forward" trick worked for me and the ep did hold up to repeat viewing. "Meet Kevin Johnson" managed to include virtually all the characters and move events forward substantially. Amd obviously I love the Ben ep. The Jack-centric episode was perfectly acceptable and worthwhile, it just didn't reach the high bar that's been set by this season.Sorry if this isn;t fun for Brighteyes anymore - in general the talkback for the Jack ep was largely favorable - he's just not everyone's favorite character any more.
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The thought that they were buried with their faces exposed - perhaps so carnivorous bugs would obscure their identies quicker - is a creepy thought - not that you're a creepy thinker... - but actually they were buried, in shallow graves. Miles "heard" their psychic screams and found them, and we saw him digging his hands around in the dirt trying to locate them. Yeah, it didn't take more than a little brushing for him to find them, but then it would have really slowed the pacing down if he'd had to dig down a foot to find them. And as was pointed out here by someone upthread, the big mystery is WHO buried them. As suggested, not something Sgt. Kearny and his Frighter Fighters would take time to do unless they were under direct orders to do so. Sad to consider that they might have covered their victims, at least under a mound of loose soil, but Benjamin didn't have the time to bury Alexandra and Locke never gave a thought to the corpses of the people he once told "If you want to live you have to follow me."
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just sitting thinking by myself there whilst playing grand theft auto 4...oh yes, I kill people now as well as educate...that at this juncture what could be the biggest what the fuck moment to come out of Lost teh way the show is currently going...
Now i could go on some geek rampage and say that Smokie is made up of all teh souls of the pure people from teh Island ro some random shit like that but i'll try to keep it in sync with the show...
so here we go, i've got 2 idea's..first is a mini wtf moment and the 2nd is a holy fuck what hte fuck moment
well numero 1...Abaddon is a double agent, he seems to be working for Charlie but really is on for Ben...he is making sure Hurley doesnt blab to anyone about the island, Ben's having enought problems keeping it quiet...he is keeping close tabs on Charlie Widmore thorugh him, its not a big ida but one that would make you appreciate Ben a bit more and his sneakiness
The Oceanic 6 will all die at the end of season 4..Jack , Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Aaron will be killed at teh end of teh season and then re appear in the real off island world...where they will talk to Boone and Shannon and Artz...u have to die to escape it..but it still wants a payment to let you go, the ultimate sacrafice is death, so the Island lets them go only to want them back again
also a further point, its pretty obvious to me at the minute that Ben is in the coffin..you can't kill urself off Island so the hanging of the coffin man is all staged, teh only one Jack and Kate know is Ben and he would not attract much visitors to be honest....he was 'got' by someone, maybe Hurley, and will not make it to season 6... I hope im wrong on that one,,,,,,,go team Ben..
im still drunk from last night so I hope this is coherant...namaste
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is entertaining. methinks you need to watch it again. let's call it 'misremembering' rather than me repeating the scene to you in a play by play and taking you for a fool. there was only a slight bit of brush covering their faces, no dirt.
and while i still find it disturbing, it never occurred to me to think about carnivorous bugs. interesting thought. apparently you are more creepy than i. go figure.
i will say that my beef with the scene has more to do with a 'prop' problem than anything else. they probably just did a face cast as opposed to the whole head. people would have believed it was danielle if it had some hair to go with the face. i love this show, but i find occasionally they have to go back and explain something that looks silly - like the bad fake beards of the others and their cheeseball clothing breakdown. now if only they could explain jack's terrible fake beard from TTLG. and this is from a gal who thinks hair on men is kinda hot. -
yeah, i do totally get it about Jack and his daddy issues. much like Ender, this is all too familiar.
But most of the characters on the show have some serious daddy and mommy issues, and only poor Jack breaks my heart. He is always trying to do the right thing even if it kills him. Instead of going the 'i'm gonna kill him' route like Sawyer, he works hard to be noble and be the good guy. In essence, instead of dealing with the issues he buries them behind this persona. I don't think Jack is bland, he just tries too hard to be the better person. Somehow i think this is the fundamental reason why he got sick. Face the issue, don't just climb over it and ignore it. -
to be honest, i am really trying to follow your idea, but it is not quite clear to me. please attempt to explain it later after some water, juice, b vitamins, and perhaps another nap. I am interested to fully grasp what it is i think you are saying. i could guess, but i'd rather have you try again later.
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good to hear your input again.
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so sweet of you to think about my delicate self while you fellas are going on about cans and such. it really doesn't bother me. i like to consider it an insight into the male brain. for good or bad, who is to judge? not I. sorry to hear about your gal, but you seem plenty recovered. are you still applying to film school?
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Keamy & his crew quickly buried Danielle & Karl just to keep them out of sight...as to not alert anyone of their presence on the island. They used palm frons as a "lid" over the graves. Nothing sinister here...they were just keeping a low profile, and they had to be quick about it...they wanted their element of surprise intact.
#2. Strike shortened season. Means that unlike previous "treadin' water" seasons...They don't have time now to show elaborate graves being dug and undug. The bodies were just "hidden"...not buried...and they would have never seen them if Miles hadn't been there.
Now...SMELL them is another story...but I think Keamy & his men thought that everyone on the island would be dead by now....so the smell would not have mattered.
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Shit buddy, not like I need to keep a bio straight, but never been married and have no kids (except the Lab I blab about). I like athletic, petite women. Claire is my ideal. Actually, Kate Bosworth...no, Emilie's accent gives her the edge. Evangeline is very athletic. She does have the John Elway look for chompers...but shit, Matt Fox could use some of Bernard's work too. Matt should never let them shoot while he is looking down. Those bottom chompers with Kate's uppers...well I guess they fit nicely together.
As far as British women Ender - I've always had a thing for Rachel Weisz. She's got funny teeth too...what the hell is with me?
Someone made fun of Kate's buckers AND space btwn teeth last night. Like Ms Weisz, she never had them fixed because she was told they gave her a unique sexy look I guess. She could go the cosmetic route...then I saw Nic Cage (who had hideously bad teeth) with a perfect grill - cosmetic fix. Ms Lilly should prolly stay as is. Hey - she's got her Hobbit, what else does she want?
It'sok to feel the pain Ender. Heck - the novelty of singleton wears off, you run out of boy toy distractions. I decided the same thing you did with a soul mate 8 years ago and regret it every other day. The odd days, I take the dog hiking, play Madden, and say, thank God I'm not married with kids. -
aye sorry about that, was far to drunk to be typing and trying to arrange my thoughts...
basically I tried to say that a huge wtf moment would be if the Oceanic 6 died on the Island and we know they are living in the off Island world...if u die on the island you get off it, basically thats what I was trying to say but failled to do so in my drunken attempt... -
is great, Ender. Sounds like this might have been a while in coming. I've dated so many women, through really no fault of their own, are raised by mommy and daddy to have a sense of entitlement. It is your "price" to have her in your company . She is WORTH all that. Maybe she is. But a lost art in this world is the art of expressing gratitude appropriately. Holding a door, allowing someone in traffic...these are things we see people do and we, what...give them a hand wave of gratitude, right? You see less and less of that. How did she treat waiters and waitresses, Ender? That says alot about people. How they treat folks in the "service sector". They like to hear thank you too. My last g-friend treated them beneath her contempt. It was their job...no thanks necessary...or even politeness. I had to apologize for her 10 times and leave 40% because of how bad I felt. Errrrr. Sounds like a good move Ender...I'm just saying, professionally, be prepared for the pain, work through it without getting stoned or drunk or shacking...and you'll be ok.
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If this helps, imagine sending the following poem to your ex. Somewhere a seed falls to the ground That will become a tree That will someday be felled From which thin shafts will be extracted To be made into arrows To be fitted with warheads One of which, someday when you least expect it,
While a winter sun is shining On a river of ice And you feel farthest from self-pity, Will pierce your shit-filled heart. –Michael Fried, “Somewhere a Seed” -
You should feel no need to explicate or qualify. To each his own.
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You're the only marine I know personally. So I can make any grand, sweeping statement I want!
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So my mind isn't working at top speed. But just wanted to say these talkbacks are more fun to read than a lot of books I've read. Keep up the great writing and I hope to feel better later today so I can chime in a bit more.
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bu(you know the rest)
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I enjoy the talkbacks as much as the next guy, but you need to get better books!
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The context of the show keeps getting more and more interesting. In a recent online "Popular Mechanics" article, there was a strong implication that the Dharma time-travelling capabilities are tied to a Large Hadron Collider. What if the meteor that give the island its unique properties was actually some working piece of technology (LHC-ish) that was accidentally sent back in time? What if the Oceanic 6, in a melee we'll see at season's end, actually got off the island by mistake? Right now, the writers are using ambiguity well, but they're going to have to give us some more answers, soon...
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Im having a few drinks here and Im having a couple especially for you.
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Drink another for me. I have to write a twenty paper on Turkey's accession negotiations. Single spaced. Actually, make it two.
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I wouldnt wish that on my worst enemy. Be careful with that and make sure you take frequent breaks man. Cheers!
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And I surely will take breaks, as you all will undoubtedly notice by my flurry of nonsensical posts.
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jack's in the coffin
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I had a thought while watching last weeks episode about the Ben flash forward. At the beginning he 'appears' in the middle of the Sahara desert in an artic-type coat with a cut on his arm. I bet he just teleported from that artic station we saw at the end of season 2 once the hatch was destroyed.. and he was there to kill Penny! Whether or not he killed Penny though remains to be seen. Widmore told Ben, "You'll never find her." So, she had to be somewhere difficult to get to. Did Widmore send her there, or did she just happen to be there with that research team trying to locate Desmond and the Island? Also, just because Ben's meeting with Widmore happened at the end of the episode doesn't mean it happened in that order. Just a thought... its probably already been said.
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Oh I have better books, and worse ones, and stacked ones.. boxed ones... bathroom drawer-ed ones.. glove boxed ones..
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from our regularly scheduled program. http://tinyurl.com/5m75yo
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makes me think of the debate over all the ladies on LOST. Must you choose? just share the love, it's the least you can do.... http://tinyurl.com/5fpsof
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I read that the Conchords album hit the charts at #3, beating out the new release from former pop star Ashlee Simpson and scoring the highest ranking debut for a "comedy album" since Steve Martin's "Wild and Crazy Gyy" back in the '70s.Here's a ditty that I rather enjoy
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he's hilarious. that reminds me of the tom waits song 'had me a girl'... "and my doctor says i'll be alright" hope this is helping your migraine, mr. gotLIK, and not making it worse. the conchords are brilliant. on that note, i must say goodnight, all.
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an advent calendar. the chocolate generally sucks from what i can remember! those guys are great. 'you're ruining christmas!' gotilk, i'm going to get you Sahara for christmas. okay, now i am going to bed, really. see you tomorrow. fabi-ilk, i am starting to think you are a vampire as you go to work very late and seem to be up most of the night. do you have a strong aversion to garlic? sunlight? have urges to nibble on people? just wondering....
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I like nibbling. Garlic makes me gassy.
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just some people no-one's heard of. But whoever wrote that stuff has a real future. I found it by accident I think. Their "Blood Cookies" is pretty funny, too.
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I am usually pretty happy with the direction and acting in Lost, but was I the only one who found Matthew Fox and Evangeline Lily's acting in the last FF scene a tad unbelievable? I just didn't buy it. Ah well, one in over fifty ain't bad.
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Kimmel clip is interesting. There's some bit missing. You can see and hear the raw cut right before you see Hurley.
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Great job on the blog updates, too.
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Just set one or both these on a loop while you read your new book. Escalation still freaks me out.
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the soundtrack and Darkly Dreaming audiobook since I can't really afford $30 for the hardback. That feedback on the clip on Wiki is awful. If I knew how to, I'd give them a better clip. I'll still buy the softcover when it comes out. Gotta read Dearly Devoted...let me know if you wanna do this again, Gotilk, or if you'd rather own them now that you are enjoying Lindsay's work.
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Dex in the Dark. Oops. Poor Sgt Doaks. He's better off dead.
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Xiphos wrote: "...So to wrap up this ultra long, like Napoleon Park, long post..."I'm actually not all that long...
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For me the best looking girls in the world are definetely in Japan, they know how to look after their bodies and know what to wear. Korean girls are also very hot.
I have lived in Japan for almost 2 years and never ceases to amaze me. Recently went back home (australia) for a visit and sadly too many Aussie girls are enjoying too much American fast food too often. The only place I have been to in the US is NY (well and LAX), and was very disappointed in the NY scenery. -
the 1st warm day of Spring. the winter clothes drop off, the shorts come out and from Camp Randell to State St (Madison) I will see a dozen girls equal to or surpassing Evangeline. With 40K students, 60% female the chances are good true lust will be found on a walk across campus.
But in limited degrees, Xi, say 4 categories, Evangeline would be grouped with the hottest of hot, bottom half. Yet, true, there are so many as attractive, I wouldn't freak. Some you see and say, ok, if I bag that I've played ball in the majors. I only have AAA talent, so that is a big score out of my league. But it does happen. I get the call up and I hope I can stay in the bigs for awhile. But I know I'm a star in AAA. So that is where I usually play ball.
That make sense to you?
And I noticed Fayet-Nam did not make your list. You are a Marine, but I know you are aware of it's rep. Worst. City. Ever. But - I have a big advantage there because I have long hair and I am NOT military. Problem is, the females tend to lie about attachments. Every one i went out with said they were single, only to find out they had a hubby/boyfriend stationed out of country. 3 for 3 of girls from Fayetteville. Never again. RB - I'm sure you've experienced or heard the same.
#1 - would never do that intentionally to a guy fighting for our country.
#2 - Cheaters and liars not good company.
MiMush - you are so right. How do they feel about American guys where you are living? Back in HS, I was told Eastern women loved Western Guys. Don't know if that has changed.
Xi - you have seen alot of this world my friend. Same question for you as MiMush - what is the top country for an American dude? Most exotic I have ever been is a Spanish woman. And French/Canadian. So weird to drive somewhere (Montreal) and have culture shock. The girls at the clubs knew ZERO English, and the only thing I know in French is...
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Am from Perth, Western Australia, amazing beaches and some good surf. Would strongly recommend a place called Yallingup, about 3 hours south of Perth.
Besides family and friends, beaches are the main thing I miss about Australia. Need to get down to Okinawa, cause apparently there are some decent beaches there, believe me there is no decent beaches near Tokyo.
In regards to the troops in Okinawa, funnily enough they always seem to be online when myself and friends in Tokyo go online to play Gears of War or COD4, they seem a fun group. Like my friends and I here, they also get regulalrly beaten by 12 year olds in Gears or COD4. -
Am being a little simplistic, but generally Japanese girls seem to like us Western guys. There are unfortunately a lot of Western guys that I know that cheat around a lot, so the rep is getting worse. I am an Aussie but I actually work in a US Investment Bank in Tokyo. Given the industry I am in there is unfortunately a few arrogant guys, who as I said give us bit of a bad name. I have quite a few American friends who are all pretty cool and get on well wiht the ladies. I would definetely recommend anyone to live in Japan, as long as you are open and don't expect everything to be handed to you. The only regret I have is that I didnt come here in my early 20's (I am 30), would have been a better place to have had my "fun" in than Australia. Met a beautiful Japanese girl in my second month of being here (20 months ago)and am getting married later this year. A lot of western guys who have resisted getting married before, quickly join the marriage club when they come here. Maybe a little too much info and not anything about Lost but there you go.
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Sorry need to learn how to make paragraphs in this thing
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Watched a bit of Season 1 Lost today and loved how when Hurley was speaking to Jin and knew that Jin couldnt understand him, that he mentioned to him that his wife was hot. As mentioned many times, am a big fan of Sun.
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I can identify with most of the related sentiments and emotions here.Until of course, you do find the one chick who, despite all the baggage from daddy (the baggage from mommy is usually damaging), is "WORTH IT", but nobody's perfect, and the character flaws, even if only a few, from that upbringing can eventually become disastrous to the relationship depending on what they are.What really gets me is how subtle some of those can be. It's frustrating when you feel you SHOULD be able to work beyond them.For one thing, girls who've been blessed with great family lives while growing up, don't realize what that takes to achieve. Talk about bad mate selection. They don't realize what the negative consequences are of winding up with someone who's a shit person. Life will be perfect because it's always been perfect for them.I guess these are more worries I've had about my close female relatives/friends.
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Thanks for the wiki samples of the Dexter music. I gotta buy the soundtrack. Blood theme is one of the best bits of music for a TV show or movie, ever. It's one of those themes that really sticks with you.
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"Well, I lost my soul mate 5 years ago, and that was someone I loved since I was 6 years old. Lost her because I just didnt have the balls to tell her that the best friend thing for the last 16 years was a "Front" a facade of sorts. Anyway, she loved me too. Just didnt have the patience for my cowardice anymore, dated some goon while I was out in Michigan and Texas."i feel for you. i feel like i'm gonna be in the same boat, very soon. in my case though, she doesn't love me back. or rather, she doesn't know whether she loves me back or not. she might sometimes treat me like she does, but then doesn't realize what she's doing.i should probably end the friendship too, if we just didn't get along so damn well. so hard to disengage, it's like sitting in a train that's about to jump the tracks into a volcano and just staring ahead dumbstruck.on a slightly unrelated note, the ideas of love in society are retarded. i liked m. scott peck's book, a road less travelled, or whatever it was named. he said love is an activity. it's not a verbal declaration. it's like being in the situation where one girl behaves like she loves you, but doesn't say anything. versus your girlfriend, who doesn't act like she loves you at all, but constantly will say it. the words mean absolutely nothing, not even the air they're carried on. but girls, moreso than guys, like words.
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And coaching the New Orleans Hornets.
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Come for the Lost chatter, stay for the autobiographies.If that sounded sarc it wasn't meant to - I'm fascinated and glad I'm not the only damaged goods here. Well, "glad" isn;t the right word...
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I wanna party with you.
Nappy...you can run a lil long, buddy...but I know how it gets when yer typin about LOST.
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Both Escalation and Blood theme are so damn creepy - Love the sound track. I seriously run the thing when I'm not listening to the internet radio from back home. 13 tracks I think? I just watched the Pilot for kicks...that music really does make that show on another level of creepy. "I've never seen such clean, dry, neat looking dead flesh". Dex Season 3 in Oct.
It will be strange to watch season 3 and think about bro and sis doin it in real life. Sounds like a Nip/Tuck eppy.
Has anyone read the Dark Tower comic that came out? The Long Road Home. It is available for d/l if anyone wants to peek before buying.
SmoKate - I hope we see Dr Danko. Doakes is better off in the series I think. Dearly Devoted is incredible and a made to order villain...but that is some heavy shit he does. Dex is gentle compared to the good Dr.
Xi - After my experiences in FayetNam, I had to keep checking myself for the laser sight on my chest. Those SF guys are lunatics and have no issue hiding in my bushes with night vision because their gal decided to lie and fool around. It has been 2 years and I'm still paranoid. -
The "coffee reheating machine" is a coffee maker. I have that same model. It is somewhat high end, but just a simple coffee maker.
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You fellas need to check out the Caribbean for some beautiful approachable ladies
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Node I play the guitar and it doesnt help with the sex getting....
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I posted this on another board and got resounding "No ways", but the more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense.
So after watching the last two episodes over again, I am beginning to think that Jack died from that operation. They made a huge deal about Jack being sick for three episodes, and then have an entire episode centered around it, only to have him live. There HAS to be something big regarding the fact that Kate left the surgery midway through. I've totally got the vibe that Jack is dead and following Kate around ala Bruce Willis and Haley Joel Osmitt in the sixth sense. If you remember, he flips out on Kate about where she was, and she says "Please Jack, trust me and leave this alone." I'm thinking she knows he is dead and is appeasing him so he isn't an angry spirit. Also, when she says to Juliette "Thanks for saving him" , Juliette does this wierd non-acknowledgement to Kate, which at first seems like a way that she deals with telling Kate that Jack doesn't love her, but I think it is all misdirection.
This and the fact that ghosts have been popping up alot the past few episodes, and the next episode which may reveal some ghost facts make me believe he is dead.
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First, a side note: xiphos, my sweeping generalization was that everything a marine says carries weight. I think what I meant was that if a marine has something to say about international relations, everyone should shut up and listen whether or not they have anything of value to say. now it seems to me that there are a lot of really beautiful women throughout the world. This is encouraging. My question is "are there places completely devoid of beautiful women?". It might be the more pertinent question. Also, I have to say while there are beautiful women here in miami, a large number of them are very trashy. So if herpes is your thing, miami is your place to be
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No way. The island is just trying to keep Jack there...as he still was "work to do"...Eventually...in 2007/2008...Jack will realize, he DOES have work to do on the island...and must return. We know Hurley's onboard...But convincing Kate is going to take some doing.
BTW...here's some explanatons for LOST mysteries that will make me stop watching:
"Sixth Sense" - I don't wanna see no dead people, thinkin they're alive.
"Groundhog Day" - It's all a big continuous loop. Unless Bill Murray has a cameo, I'm not buyin it.
"Identity" - Everyone & everything is in someone's crazy ass head.
"Bob Newhart"/"Who Shot JR?" - The whole thing is just a dream.
"North Dallas Forty" - No reason...just a great, underrated sports flick.
"Back to the Future" - And any of the sequels...ESPECIALLY the western one. If a DeLoreon shows up, I'm throwin my TV in my pool.
"Iron Man" - No reason...Just seems like the "IN" thing to be talkin about right now.
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I'll be in FayetteNam July 4th weekend for the Freedom Bike Festival. I'm no biker...but the company I work for is putting it on and I'll be there to document the event and turn it into a PPV or DVD. Blackfoot & Molly Hatchet are the headliners...YEE-Fuckin'-HAW!!
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live together, share a bathroom - and the gal delivers a kiss like that 1st thing in the morning...
I think sex is a strong possibility. Wonder if Kate is so hot about a Jack Jr? What chaps my tail is how she responds to Sawyer. Hell yeah its good news you are not preggers". They have so much to worry about - and she gets pissy because Sawyer is glad she isn't pregnant? She IS acting like a typical woman (sorry Fishy). Had Sawyer said, "Kate, a baby wouldn't be so bad", she probably would take the high road about having a baby in such a dangerous place.
She expects Sawyer to play the game. Honey - it is only because he reacted relieved she got mad. The writers sure nailed that one.
I wonder if the Hobbit ever gets mad he girlfriend swaps spit with everything that moves on that show. And he never even got to kiss Emilie. I know...it's a job. But as a parting gift, for 3 years of solid service, he should have went over to Lindelof and said, you can cut it out my man, but script some action with ClaireBear before I go. Give us a flashback to a rumble in the jungle as an excuse to film it. Hell - maybe they did. They did cut one of Emilie's "vision" scenes right after she blowed up.
I wonder if Hobbit was in that scene. He gets fired - and then they cut a little vision scene with him..that would suck. Tho she probably just saw dad.
Hope he GhostCharlie's into the finale with GhostDad. Standing side by side. Really f$#k with ClaireBear.
Speaking of ClaireBear...How about Hayden P. as Susan Delgado if DT gets made? No? Who would be the young hotness that HAS to be cast in that role? -
I think the beauty in the writing style used with "Lost" is that they're so ambiguous with the faith vs. science dichotomy, they could easily switch from one to the other. While some beleive the island made Jack sick (faith) I lean towards it being an unanticipated result of Kate, Juliet or Bernard (science) trying to temporarily drug him. Until they actually film the reveal for this, we likely can't be sure as to what really happened...
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my quote vanished. "Honey, I love you. We'll make it work if you are preggers"
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He knew what the deal was with the appendectomy. I think he was holding out he could make it until rescue. Or he is one dumb Doc when it comes to self-diagnosis
Could you poison someone into symptoms = with appendicitis? Boy I don't know. Especially w/limited resources on the Island.
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Jack knew it was his appendix...he was takin the antibiotics hopin to stall it for the rescue. He was just tryin to be stoic and downplay the seriousness. He just wanted OFF that island.
Juliette pressed on it and it smarted...don't think you're gonna find a poison that speciffically targets one organ.
I think it was a set up...for a future flashforward. Where Ben corners Jack in a dark alley...as sticks a buck knife into his gut.
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Been up there a few times. My boss owns The Doghouse (formerly Chrome)...and they're a big sponsor of the July 4th Freedom Fest gig. Yeah...July 4th, drinkin, fireworks, bikers, campin, no showers, Molly Hatchett...I'm sure it will go perfectly smooth.
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...while I respect where you guys are coming from, there are other elements to consider here. Appendicitis can be brought on by a bacterial build-up or material left in the appendix due to a prior wound. The former could *easily* have been pulled-off by Kate and the later could be pulled off (with more difficulty) by Bernard. At the same time, Jack may not have actually *had* appendicitis (only some of the symptoms). After all, this would explain Juliet's mirror "trick." Keep in mind that there was no analysis of Jack's white blood cells, no x-ray, no urinalysis or anything along those lines (not that they had time nor were close to the med lab). Heck, for all we know, Jack could've simply started taking the pills *after* the symptoms kicked in (making that a red herring), or someone like Juliet could've switched Jack's pills to something that would make him worse. There are a number of potential routes to go, here (it's more like a PERT chart than any single linear construct), so I just don't think we can rule out human intervention. After all, when can we ever?
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There was no real tests done...perhaps jack really wanted to make sure Juliette was capable...or he may not have trusted her. But I also can't see Bernard double crossing Jack...but, then again...It would be a LOST moment for sure to find out he's actually EVIL Bernard. But I don't think bacterial build up will have much to do with jack's ailment...I think it will turn out to be something a little more supernatural in nature.
Besides...hate to keep bringing this up...but this is a strike shortened season. I have a feeling Jack's affliction and surgery would have been spread out over at least 3 episodes normally...rather than 1 and a half now that were down to only 13 episodes.
I have a feeling it was to set up...I dunno...Ben...or Abaddon...someone in the future is going to bring up his appendicitis..."Did you get sick when you tried to leave that island, Jack?"....Jack will look at his scar (much like Chief Brody did in Jaws)..."You weren't suppose to leave, Jack...the island was trying to keep you there...".
The point is...the emergency surgery WAS important...there's a reason that happened...but I don't suspect foul play....just yet. -
I think Jack's illness may have also something to do with TPTB trying to show us that this island known for "healing"...is also capable of "harm".
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... especially with this angle likely being rushed due to the strike. I still go with the double-cross, though I don't think Kate (wanting to stay on the island with Jack) nor Bernard (wanting to keep Rose on the island) would have intended for it to turn-out so bad. I don't doubt that the island would be so cruel, though. One interesting element of this season is that many of the survivors still yell at each other, and don't really communicate so well. Adding new, untrustworthy characters has only kept them in Tuckman's "storming" stage of group development... and *that* was pretty masterful writing.
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but it was worth a shot to put it out there amongst other fans.
Upon looking at the trailer for the next episode again, I noticed that Horace Goodspeed has blood on his lip (probably from an altercation with Locke). If this is the case, and he has indeed been dead for thirty years, does that mean he is some sort of pseudo zombie? Ghost can't bleed right? -
Jack is trying to leave the island, and the island is punishing him. Either that, or the island wants him to get sick so that he will get off the island because of it. Whatever end the island is working towards, I'm not sure, but it's very clear that the island is causing his illness.
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In greatest hits. He got his... though it wasn't more than a moment's worth. haha, poor bastard. Also, when is claire getting that ring!!! I want to see her break down, because we haven't gotten it yet. She is still sort of in shock.
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in the S3 finale, as she steps out of the shadows. She is fucking beautiful.
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Kate is stunning...flaws and all...her flaws make her even more beautiful in my book. God bless Canada...and God bless Mr. & Mrs. Lilly for hookin up.
Just caught "The Spirit" trailer over on Apple.com
http://tinyurl.com/6kzrub
Wow...is it just me or does stealing the music from The Untouchables take you right out of it? I realize it's just a teaser...but color me disappointed. -
Who was hurt and survived right around when Jack started being IN pain?
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blah-dee-blah-dee-blah.. You know who probably would have vice-gripped your man parts like a Chinese finger trap? That's right...
Danielle Rousseau
She'd probably make the atheists here see god. Sure, she's gettin' up there in the years. But to kidnap and hold Sayid hostage, you have to be at least in decent shape. I bet she cleans up real nice.
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I just... think her character is deceptive, creepy and generally unlikeable. And that ruins it for me.
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"tight as a vise" as a favorable description of a yoni have probably never actually had their lingam in a vise and wouldn't enjoy it if they did.I once watched a slender, narrow young woman walk away and commented to my co-worked "Biscuit girl". When he asked me to expand upon my comment I replied "Too small to be buns."
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When Locke actually showed someone his wound both the entrance and exit wounds were grisly, gory and open looking, Like Jesus displaying his spear puncture to Doubting Thomas. Maybe it was too soon after his shooting, or maybe he didn't have any medical attention, but other than not bleeding he didn't seem to be healing very much at all.I still think the Island is capable of performing selective healing. Locke's legs heal but he got that scar on his face. Rose's cancer went into total remission but Sawyer still needs reading glasses. The US Marshal didn't heal. In spite of Jack's best efforts, Boone didn't heal.
Is the island limited in how much it can do? It seems that it did all it could to keep Naomi alive longer than she should have been considering the nature of her injury, and allowed her to deliver the message, about "her sister", but released her when she was done.Now if only a theory could account for why Sawyer's hair grows so much faster than anyone elses...{For the couple of you who got deja vu reading this, yes, it's a epost of something I wrote in the comments section of the Room 23 blog. it doesn't seem like more than a couple of us ever use the comments section there. Is it because you need to sign in with a google or gmail account? Or do you just prefer to keep all the Lost talk in this forum at least until the big hiatus starts?] -
Biscuit girl? I'm gonna carry that one with me for years.
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You're heard some good ones here gentlemen...I'm sorry you won't get this one Nap (at least I assume you won't due to the "sportsball" cracks), but the one that ALWAYS makes me laugh...
A woman who has a nice bod, hideous face...
She is a Cincinnati Bengal (American Football team for non-sports folk)
Nice Uniform. Ugly Helmet.
Healing = communion with the island. When Locke lost it, he couldn't walk again (season 1). Jack has not been an ally to the island - I don't think it likes him too much. It does make you wonder what Ben did, what PRICE he had to pay to have to deal with the tumor. Michael Emerson threw out the semi-spoiler about the island keeping score, everything must balance. Smokie helped them get away, now it will demand a price - that was when Emerson dropped the hint that on the island, all life is like that. Light and dark. Good and evil. Laverne and Shirley . Everything balances. Who pays the price for the 6 leaving? It appears they are paying a heavy price back home. All of them.
Anyone think Sawyer stays behind because he wants to find Claire? He sure has become the loving big bro in a hurry. I bet that is the reason he gives for staying.
Julie Bowen and Elizabeth Mitchell. Mmmmm.
Lindelof is such a never got laid dork, I am surprised he hasn't written anything girl on girl for his own pleasure yet. I bet he has and Cuse has to play the mean parent.
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I'd be banned for life. I'm glad we didn't move there. Great people over there, just really bossy, nose in everything mods. I had more innocuous posts erased than posted. I just don't stay on topic well enough. But jeez, one throw away line and everything you write disappears. I gave up.
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...not the Island of Lesbos.Still, the way the game is played is, you find a character and if Nothing specifically shown or accepted as canon actually prohibits them from being gay, then they might be.In both on Island and flash back scenes, was Ana Lucia ever depicted as having an intimate or emotional relationship with a man? Because picking the out of the closet actress would be the obvious choice. (I was going to ask "Is AnaL straight?" but that seems too much like a deliberate double entendre.)Of course Jack got his Jacktats from a well known Bai-sexual.Charlotte? I don't mean to stereotype, but she's cold, ruthless, a mean calculating bitch and she seems to find the news that Daniel Faraday has a crush on her somewhat amusing.I know the manly men here are all set to start naming which two (or more) Lost Ladies they'd love to see in some hot Girls-On-Island action. But the point of this game is to try to figure out which characters might logically be up for that sort of thing.I mean, other than Bonnie and Greta, who were either picked or volunteered to be exiled down to the Looking Glass Station because they were compatible with each other, willing to be alone together for long periods of inactivity and who warmed up to Charlie's presence as if the mere existence of a sperm-carrier offended their feminist sensibilities.And, Fishies, you can play along if you want to pick which Lost boys other than Tom Friendly might swing that way. I used to think it was Steve and Scott but I was wrong. Unless Tracy is a guys hame...
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...not the Island of Lezbos.
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"The one question I would ask is the healing a (Wolverine healing factor) type of quick healing. Or is it a slower, gradual kind, that builds back from inside the injury but takes awhile to work."Xipgun, I slightly edited your quote on the assumption that anyone who comes to AICN and doesn't know that Wolverine is "from the X-Men" is probably in the wrong place. Claire from "Heroes" also has that type of healing ability.I'd still say that the healing is selective and "variable speed".Locke's bullet wound looked to be the slow-healing type. His getting up and walking after being in a wheelchair, or his regaining the ability to walk without a cane after having a blast door pierce his thigh, seem pretty sudden.Rose had breast cancer and announced all her symptoms were gone. Considering how long it takes a lump to form, if it just disappeared, that was pretty sudden.The various 815ers cuts and scrapes from the crash and Charlies bee-stings seemed to take a long time to heal, but when we consider it was roughly 1-day per episode, they actually healed up pretty fast, though not instantly. I'd stick with variable and selective healing at the island's discretion. And it may not be invincible. As I mentioned, it seemed to extend and stretch out the time it took Naomi to die from what was eventually a lethal injury. On the other hand, Mikhail recovered from a run-through of the elctromagnetic disruption fence pretty quickly, considering.On the other hand, in "I, The Jury" Mickey Spillane said that getting gut shot is a slow and painful way to die, and yet AnaL and Libby went out like characters in a "bang-you're dead" '50s western. Can the island speed death along when the alternative is suffering?
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I Googles [tm] brand search engine, and found a nice black and white drawing of Kate, and posted it at the blog.http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/Slide the scroll par down about an inch and look for the picture labeled "Freckles". Quite nice to look at in a slightly tomboyish sort of way. I wouldn't cast her as Wonder Woman but I wouldn't chase her off my porch.
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Technically, I asked a question about whether the shows canon established Ana Lucia as heterosexual. You pointed out she was a breeder and that she flirted with Jack in the airport lounge before the Island Healing Power magickally straightened her teeth. You are, of course, right. But you weren't disagreeing with me, because I didn't make an observation, I was asking a question. Which you answered. Nothing disagreeable bout that.
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or "I Love My Best Friends Wife" is such an abhorrent soap opera cliche (as well as the subject of the weekends #2 movie) is that it happens so much. IF you think about it... and you will, you won't be able to sleep for thinking about it... eventually you will decide to keep those feelings balled up deep inside and never let them out. Once you make that decision... NEVER change your mind. Yes, you will shut down emotionally and walk through life like a zombie, yes you will be at risk for alcoholism, drug dependence or stress related ailments. But the thing you have to remember is, this Love has already destroyed your life... do you want it to wreck someone else's too?(signed) been there, done that.
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If you said, Terry O'Quinn is...
Or anyone connected with Lost IS...
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Also had sex with Sawyer and showed no interest in Libby. We think.
That is right, AnaL was with child - wonder if her partner with the head-sized mole was the dad. He had the hots for her according to this season's opener. -
ok I been holding off posting for a few days and I think everything's already been said about this ep anyway EXCEPT I didn't hear anyone mention Jack's mysterious illness possibly being one of JULIET'S evil IMPLANTS - a la Claire's mysterious illness from last season...?
One thing I know HAS been said but so many people keep wanting to ignore is that smoke alarm WASN'T "going off" - it was complaining about having a flat battery. If that's all the noise that thing makes when it detects smoke I sure as hell hope they never have a FIRE!
It's a minor thing I know but hey I'm pedantic (aren't we all?)
So somewhere along the way I saw mention about Ender going to film school?
Ender I got some advice for you - and I speak from experience here - DON'T DO IT!
Take the money you plan on spending on film school and spend it on making a FILM instead! You will learn just as much (arguably more) in the process and - this is important - there is nothing stopping you from using the same RESOURCES as would be available to you in film school.
An important thing you will learn (NOT in film school) is bluff - like when sourcing actors for example - the number of favours or discounts or whatever I was granted because I was "making a student film" (yeah "university of life") - also by making YOURSELF available as a resource to film students can be a vital bit of networking for your own film, too...
Anyway, I say again - this is GOOD advice I was given and I'm passing onto you - spend your money on a FILM instead of a film SCHOOL - you will be much better off! -
Gotta agree with you 100% on user-promoted moderator forums. It's the equivalent of making the comic guy from the simpsons sheriff of your town in the real world.
They're for wussies. Sure, we get annoyances here, but we also don't alienate people forever for one thing they said that 1 person found offensive. What a bunch of rubbish that is. More "safe haven" bullshit. If a forum can ever be unsafe for you, you not only have no clue what real safety is OR you shouldn't be on the Internets in the first place. The world is unsafe, an unmoderated forum requires that you ignore some people, sometimes. But ultimately still very, very SAFE. Ya know? People still take the Internets FAR too seriously in all the ways we should lighten up and we take all the things we should take seriously on it as no big deal. -
Anyone heard any good NEW music lately? I've been searching for new stuff to check out.
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I was going to mention is before, but forgot. But I think it's still a little symbolic moment added in to reference smokey.
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I'm doing my best to stay spoiler free until it's over this season. That being said, there were a few interesting things said above.
If it were the island of Lesbos my choice would have to be Penny and Sarah with Juliet and Claire watching. But it's not, so never mind.
I'm in the camp of the sickness is Jack is being punished. However, in the Room 23 closet CV had a top 5 list asking for crazy theories. One of mine was that Juliet is as bad or worse than Ben. So maybe she did do something after Kate left that Bernard wouldn't catch.
I really hope it's not a dead/zombie type thing. I know Goodspeed is around this week, but I'm hoping it's more of a cloning or interdiminsional thing...although I could go for a faith based reason. You know, something like the Jacob's Ladder/Gates of Heaven thing like we previously discussed this year.
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Your homage to Sawyer is well reasoned and thought out and you've covered both his highlights and lows. With about 95% accuracy.However, about his violent streak... certainly popping one in Tom Friendly with a stoic Bondian "that's for taking the kid off the raft" was well deserved. But unless I totally misremembered the episode, he didn't shoot Cooper. No, he confronted the bound captive and tried to get him to read "the letter" and when Cooper laughed and ripped it up Sawyer wrapped a chain around his throat and strangled him to death with his bare hands.I don't want to get picky so let's say that only part of his "helping Hurley with the van" involved sitting around, drinking warm stale beer and making fun of a corpse. And the fact that since he couldn't really make a mix tape he stole someones Phil Collins cassette instead, well let's chalk that up to making do with what's at hand. You're certainly right about him making amends and reaching out and trying to connect with his fellow survivors.It's just totally that strangling people with chains and shooting enemies after they've surrendered that worries me a little. But what the heck, at least he reads.
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Killed my parents, I would like to choke them to death with a chain too. So I don't blame Sawyer too much.
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So I choked it.
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just saw ur comment on the other page reguarding 'Spaced'....definitaly give it a watch my good man...it is geek heaven..star wars influences, hooror influences, action film influencs and a hatred for teh Phantom Menace drive this show into greatness...if u liked Sean of the dead or Hot Fuzz you will love this, there are soo many good bits I wouldnt know where to start....def invest mate
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So I beat it.
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I want that DVD set. The commentaries are worth it alone, I imagine.
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So I polished it.
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So I spanked it.
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I don't know about you folks, but I don't like where this is going with these "dead" theories. Time travel, teleportation, cloning - these things I'm ok with. The living and the dead co-existing - bothers me! Jack is most certainly alive as a member of the Oceanic 6. So is Kate. And Hurley and the others. I'm very curious as to see why Goodspeed is visible and talking to Locke after he's been dead for 12 years. And only 12 years? That doesn't make sense. When did Ben start raising Alex as his daughter? She was at least 16, so the purge would have been more than 16 years ago. Shouldn't Goodspeed have been dead longer? I guess we'll find out!
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is it thursday, yet?????? good grief this week is long. busy, but very, very, long.
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oh, wait, i already asked that.
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the big brother who will happily pin you to the ground, call you names and spit lugies in your face, but if anyone else picks on you, he'll hang them by their underpants on the fence. Sawyer has grown a lot, but he needs to let the love in. he's like starbuck, a softie at heart, but has built all these walls to protect his sensitive self. i do see that he is trying, though.
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workplace morale is at an alltime low when this happens...
http://tinyurl.com/2wv4e5
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I think it depends on the school and what you want to do with your degree. If you're just going to get a certificate, then yeah, just make a movie. If you just want to make a movie, then yeah, just make a movie. BUT if you want to get a job in the film industry long-term or if you want to eventually become an academic, film school is a good idea.
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Now I've found both seasons (were there more than 2?) and I'm grabbing them now. Gotta get this one on DVD, too. If there even is one.
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If it's accurate. It could be describing a temporary situation. But if it's not, it's a hug loss and a GIGANTIC spoiler.
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You people are really doing a great job with it. Keep it up!
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"there are consequences to being chosen". is it thursday, YET?????? i am soon to be reduced to a wimper...
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Is it Thursday yet? Busy as I am, I hate the long wait each week!
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...and even worse, it's not even a good Wednesday. Boston Legal is bumped for a week, so unless you life reality shows, game shows and lame sitcoms, there's nothing happening. I'll probably go to bed early, maybe tape Criminal Minds. CSI:NY is not that great but Melina Kanakaredes is hot. And for the sportsballs fans it's Pistons v. Magic at the Sam Waterson Center. But the good news is... tomorrow's Thursday. It's coming...
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Sorry it took a day to get back on this. I'm an old fart - for me, CDs exist so you can get permanent replacement copies of '60s vinyl LPs you've worn out from constant play.New music is something to avoid - that annoying gap between the sketched on SNL.But here are a couple very cool videos from director Dougal wilson and some pretty songs by some actresses, and a novellty to put a smile on your punim, bubby.http://tinyurl.com/2k4lsvBat For Lashes"What's A Girl to Do"http://tinyurl.com/53dfrhGoldfrapp"Happiness"http://tinyurl.com/4tpbpzScarlet Johansson"Falling Down"http://tinyurl.com/2zrfgyShe and Him(Zooey Deschanel & M. Ward)hear six songs at their MySpace page.and just for fun...http://tinyurl.com/3459a9Smells Like Teen SpiritThe Ukulele Orchestra of Great BritainEnjoy. Or as they say in Canada, Ennui.
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i was sure today was thursday:(
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oh well,thers always tommorrow:)
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is the finale of lost gonna end with jack with a huge beard,dreadlocks,smoking spliffs surrounded by his dead relatives?..last line of series..jack says "fuck science" lol
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I wasn't going to mention this here since it was referred to as a possible spoiler, but since Paul brought it up...gotilk at AICN said this clip contained a spoiler. Actually "a child left motherless' and "torch the island" could be considered two spoilers - but previous spoilers have hinted that there will still be non-O6 survivors living on The Island, so apparently it doesn't get completely napalmed.I'm sure they won't do this, but you know what would be a complete dirty trick? An off-Island flash forward showing either Zach or Emma's mother dying. Z&E, of course, are "the children" from the tail section taken by the Others. Since Ji Yeon is not yet born, she can't become motherless. And Walt is already motherless. That leaves Aaron as the obvious and Z&E as unlikely possibles. Just covering all the angles.
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It's a pretty short promo and if "torch the island" isn't the spoiler since we know there will be people left on the island and "a child left motherless" isn't the spoiler (by 4we8's reasoning, above), then what is it? Jack is described as "a fallen leader", but we already saw him fall over several times last episode. Michael says "they're going to kill everyone" but we know the O-6 don't get killed (unless you get caught up in that whacky "everyone dies" theory that was going around.) At one point one of the Frighter Fighters says "Come on come on come on come on" but I'm betting that even at 10:00 pm ABC isn't going to take the show hardcore. We kinda know that Locke's "a survivor in search of answers". We certainly know that there would be an all new Lost on Thursday, after Grey's Anatomy. (Unless a strict interpretation of "all new" means there won't be a "previously on" recap, but that's not much of a spoiler.)So due to limited choices, I have to assume that "a child left motherless" implies something about Claire.And, um, if that IS the spoiler, well, I'd point out that the word "spoiler" is in the subject line. I just don't know the html for making it blink on and off and glow red. Though that would be pretty cool, though.
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Great stuff. Love the Goldfrapp track.
Regarding the spoiler, everyone else..
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Longest day.
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Maybe we'll find out soon why he was crying.
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d is for desmond thrown out of a sleigh. best book ever, next to where the wild things are...
http://tinyurl.com/y6q66j
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this is the only 'new' music i've got in the last few months, but i think they are great. this is a fun video, too.
http://tinyurl.com/2tw92y
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leave the tom waits to tom waits. oh my, that actually hurt me physically. but i did quite enjoy that 'hOppiness' video (boing, boing, boing).
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I Love the late Edward Gorey and I love ALL THREE Amphigorey books. And so does my dear friend susan "who perished of fits".And so does a Jump The Shark member named Agrimorphee 9an almost anagram) who is currently hosting a song parody contest at the Am I Right? web site.But the link you posted has exceeded it's data transfer limit.
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it shows up for me. don't know what to tell you.
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I hear the albums getting mixed but mostly favorable reviews. The biggest complaint is her flat voice, which some regard as a relief from all those pitch-corrected teen pop divas.The concept of doing a Tom Waits cover album is recycled - also check out Holly Cole's "Temptation". [I think there's a Waits track on Shawn Colvin's "Cover Girl", too.]But if you want to know how badly a devotees cover album can turn out, well, Transvision Vamp singer Wendy James once did a record of Elvis Costello songs. I must have listened to it at least three, maybe four times. Awful, dreary, baleful... And not in a good way.
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I like them. At times they remind me of everything I hated about the 80s(fun boy 3, anyone?), but in spite of this I like them anyway. Too catchy, too clever in their mixing of genres. Just fun to listen to.
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i still prefer tom waits by tom waits. he is brilliant live.
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i see where you can get that vibe. but i cannot resist the vampire weekend- it's relentlessly chipper sounding. i lived and loved the 80's. that is, the part of it that didn't involve giant hair and shoulderpads the size of my head.
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only two very short seasons. have you seen little britain? more on the spazzy side, but can be very funny.
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Hit refresh in your browser and it'll probably be down for you, too. I actually have that book. One of the funniest things I've ever read. I think the most fun about that book is handing it to someone else who has never read it and watching their reaction.
I just re-discovered The Walker Brothers and Scott Walker on youtube. That happens about once every few years.(minus the youtube part) His work goes from really mainstream early 60s brit-pop to "WTF is going on with this music and why is it giving me waking nightmares" .. kinda stuff.
Scarlet's Waits cover isn't all THAT bad. And I have to agree it's refreshing to not hear EVERY note corrected and digitally harmonized. But I'm just not sure it's my thing. -
But I have a few tiny happy memories.
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I regret missing the chance, multiple times.
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http://tinyurl.com/5pdvqc
Don't worry, I'm sure even the kids are scratching their heads at these guys. But they're on to something. (or on something... or both)
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But big train is making me laugh out loud with everything I've seen so far. I love discovering things I've missed. It makes the wait for things like the next Lost a little easier. A little. Ok not much.
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ooh, try this link for gorey, but it lacks a cover. http://tinyurl.com/yqawoo
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they should perhaps stay out of the mushroom patch. but it is an interesting sound. maybe it's me, but that also sounds like the 80's to me. all those synths. tones on tail, bauhaus, kinda 80's. it wasn't the best time of my life, i never want to go back, but the 80's had me some fun times and many coloured hair.
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but is it thursday, YET??? sorry, i do believe i am repeating myself a great deal. perhaps i should increase my dosage. bump.
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Sadly. My favorite letter is P. I love how it captures that last moment.
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bump thanks for the reminder.
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BBL.
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bumP.
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My favorite letter is P.
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F is for Fanny, sucked dry by a leech. but truly, they are all a measure of perfection.
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and refers to hydra. oh, i do enjoy tom. http://tinyurl.com/43p673
see you all on the new tb. and it IS thursday, now. just a few more hours til i get the FEVER!
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And the only cure is more LOST.
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You can always count on Tom. Look up Tom in the dictionary and it says "see Tom".
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Which means I was wrong before. THIS will be the longest day.
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I would like to take this opportunity to let everyone know that I have a fetish for hearing French women say the word PERPETUITY. I could listen to them say that forever, which is kind of ironic.
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bump
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until someone else posts.
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yet again
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Anything?
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And what kind of cocaine habit must Val Kilmer have to be involved in that drivel?
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It's taking too long for the hours to pass.
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and again BUMP
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I'm lazy. I like to just click on the right side of the screen there to read my favorite talkback.
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They are actually LOST people right now. Where are they?
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wow.. just .. wow
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the guy in the bald cap playing Locke.
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And UNmake that video.
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until someone else posts.
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Until this thing shows up in the top talkbacks.
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Until the tranquilizers finally kick in. I'm hoping it'll make the wait for Lost a bit shorter. I mean make it seem like it.
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I really need to fire up mIRC or something similar. This java interface is sucky and slow.
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In chat, too.
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With so many in the channel, it sure is quiet. They must all be ASL'ing each other and private chatting. You know, with quotes. "Chatting" nudge nudge wink wink
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For those who will be annoyed having to scroll through this nonsense.
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There.
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People will show up and post gigantic theories. Trust me.
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The new Indiana Jones is terrible.
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I gotta run. I'll stop by later.
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Where is everyone?
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A is for Aaron, asleep in a bed, a bay-bee whose mum's boyfriend called turniphead.And A's Ana-Lucia, a bad cop, not a winner, gave her handgun to Michael who popped a cap in her.And A's sarcastic Arzt and I won't try to con ya, he blowed up real good, dude, there's some of him on ya.And A is for young Alexandra, killed and gone, because her dad used her life as if she were a pawn.B's for Benjamin Linus, a quite awesome baddy, whose crimes just begin with nerve-gassing his daddy.And B's for Boone who survived Oceanic, but died from a smaller plane crash, how ironic.C's for Cindy the stewardess, taken by The Others, watches over The Children as if she were their mother.D is for Driveshaft, a Brit one hit wonder that broke up when one of the band moved down under.And D's Desmond, a Scot, soldier, monk, and a seer, brotha's unstuck in time, now he's then, now he's here.E's for Mr. Eko who stood silent, strong, tall, until Smokey smacked him around like a ragdoll.F's for Tom Friendly, fake-bearded pretender, who was killed on the beach as he tried to surrender.F's for pilot Frank Lapidus, a man with a history, a darn good chopper pilot, a drunk and a mystery.and F is for Faraday, a physicist twitchy, with a crush on Charlotte, archeologist bitchy.G's Greta with Bonnie in Looking Glass Station, 'til Mikhail, obeying Ben, performed their elimination.H is Hurley Reyes, a big helpful man, played cursed numbers, got rich, drives an old Dharma van.J's Sayid Jirrah, who knew how to torture, but that's in his past, he just kills in the future.K's bilingual Kwons, there's unfaithful wife Sun, forgiving fisherman Jin and their daughter Ji Yeon.And K's for Kate Austen who manipulates men, and winds up with Aaron, we don't know how or when.And K's Karl, Alex's friend from room 23, his water bottle sprung a leak, and then so did he.L's for John Locke, unable to commit patricide, who conned James Ford into performing the homocide.L's also for Libby, of whom we know nut- tin'; she kinda liked Hurley, got shot in the gut.M is Michael, some really bad things were his fault, but you have to admit that he loved his son Wa-a-alt!and M's Miles Straume who's a would be ghostbuster, with psychic abilities and a noisemaking dustbuster.N's for Nikki and Paulo who were there all along, and died in a way that was horribly wrong.P's Charlie Pace, Desmond forsaw his doom, ex-junkie turned hero who drowned in a room.P's for Pilot Seth Norris, whose cameo brief ended with him dangling up in a tree like a leaf.R's for cured Rose who had faith that her husband Bernard was somehow alive and somewhere on the Island.And R's Danielle Rouseau, crazed French fighter, not lover, who was shot, died, and was buried beneath shallow cover.S is for Sawyer, who was shot by an Other, he got better, caught and executed the mother-. S's also for Shannon, man that bitch was hot, did that Iraqi guy (and her brother!) and then she got shot.S's Dr. Jack Shephard, who'd rather be drinking, but they made him their leader - man, what were they thinking?
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I got tired of not posting and didn't want to read the other talkback for fear of spoilage.
...sigh...
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