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THE INCREDIBLE HULK theatrical trailer SMASHES!
Hey folks, Harry here... ya know... this kicks ass. There's a lot of folks that seem to be rooting against THE INCREDIBLE HULK - cries of "Too Soon!" and blasphemers that claim, "The Hulk is a stupid character." - Bah! I read Ed Norton's script for THE INCREDIBLE HULK - and honestly... I really really liked it. Now - we've all heard stories about what a pain in the ass Ed Norton is - but ya know what? He's an incredibly talented pain in the ass - and I, for one, love his take on the character. I love that he mined the original Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno television series for material. That classic series was pretty goddamn great. During its run - as a child - I actually got to meet Lou while in HULK make-up - and man... that shit is the stuff of childhood legend. But the one thing the series couldn't do - was what the comic could do. Enormous set pieces - other monsters... It really couldn't deliver the HULK.
Now some folks tend to think of this as a remake, it isn't. It's a stylistic shift - and continuation from the first film. I love that Banner is trying to hide from the world - while trying to come to grips with what's inside of him. Trying to conquer it. I love how his character is terrified of the thing inside of him. And I absolutely LOVE - that in this story - he's going to try to use what's inside of him for the greater good... To ACCEPT the HULK and use that power to save the innocent.... and I love that it isn't easy at all.
Now what I haven't loved up until now is the marketing on this film. That said - this trailer kicks ass - and that 'bar' of music at the end of the trailer sent geekgasms up and down my spine. Go check it out!
Go HULK Out!!!
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seems to be giving a good kick in the ass to the genre
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Not that it matters. This looks bad.
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The point stands.
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I liked Ang Lee's vision quite a bit but I'm equally interested to see what Norton and company pull off here.
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what!
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on my ABS. Abomination needs his damn ears.
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I'll reserve judgement on this until I actually see the full length movie.
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still not 100% convinced on the CG - but everything else looks pretty good
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for me to poop on.
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This trailer is more like. Looks freakin badass.
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I am one of the few who actually liked Ang's movie. My problem with it wasn't the weird pseudo-serious vibe, the father/son freudian relationship, or any of that. I also thought ILM did a great job, with one glaring exception. The design of the Hulk. For some ridiculous reason they thought that the Hulk should in some way resemble more of a real man than just a big green brute. Ummm, why? He is The Hulk, WTF did you think this was supposed to be, a hybrid of The Hulk and a Man?
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will needs lots of solid reviews to convince me to pay to see this.
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this movie is missing something.....like a black side-kick like TDK's got Morgan Freeman & Iron Man has Terrence Howard & Speed racer got none cuz he's "racist." Get it?
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This is a very interesting trailer, and I am optimistic. I like the hint of effects to see; Liv Tyler Rocks, Ed actually comes off as meek, so that is a good Banner-ism. As for abomination, it's an interesting theme--become a monster to stop a monster. I'd like to to see it. Also, I was unconvinced upon hearing William Hurt would be Ross, but he could kick some serious tushy.
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"Ey Hulk, Wot say we drop all this smashing and get ourselves a pint."
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Honestly, after that trailer I don't even know if I'll go see the movie.
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Jennifer connolly was the only gpd thing about it
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Complete ass. Covered in watery stools full of leafy greens.
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ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? It was the fugitive with a charcater that turned into a mute stupid monster. I can understand why some people did not like the Ang Lee film, although I did , but it was way more interesting than that series. Have you even watched it since you were 8?
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See hulk smash!
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I'm also someone that really liked Ang Lee's movie. I know there are very few of us, but it really wasn't that bad. This, however, looks wildly mediocre.
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the rest of the movie looks alright. I just can't get past the shit look
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and hitch-hike down the road...that's all i need to see
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it looks like what it should be....an entertaining hour and half to two hours of popcorn fun on a quiet afternoon....i cant wait....we get this, Ironman, Indy, X-files, Hellboy, Dark Knight,the Mummy 3, CloneWars ....and StartTrek is on the horizon- too bad it got pushed back....This is one full summer for "geek" films....
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Boring.
A)I feel like I've already seen this like 5 summers ago. I bet you that the movie-going public feels the same way. This won't make shit for money.
2) Something about military scenes just annoy the hell out of me. If this movie has any momentum at all, it will constantly die to me as soon as the military shows up. -
"You really look kind of sexy to me. Let's make out"
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mark my words
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This trailer is MUCH better, no doubt, but I still think the Hulk looks a little sketchy. I dunno, maybe the Hulk truly is impossible to capture on screen without looking a little fake? Oh well, they still have a month or two to further polish the effects. I just hope the money Marvel makes off of Iron Man doesn't get torpedoed by their loss on this one. I'll be surprised if this one does well, not for it being good or bad, but just the general public not liking the Hulk very much, especially after what happened a few years ago.
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Just let me know if the Hulk wins.
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And the CGI looks fine to me. Fuck all y'all who think otherwise.
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maybe IronMan...but the rest will be Shite!
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and that will be the end of Hulk. Until 5 years from now when someone else tries to take a crack at it only to fail miserably.
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I was a fan of Ang Lee's but this one looks like a lot of fun as well. Kick ass!
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Crap.
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Don't know what will become of this hulk movie, with bad marketing and all, but just saw Iron Man, and man, Iron "Tony Manero" Man walking away after blowing up the tank still sucks. I didn't expect transformers quality SFX here, but there sure are some pretty weak effects. Has ILM opened a new low budget office or was it just rushed beacause of the opening date?
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I have been underwhelmed by the promotional material for this movie, to the point of sometimes forgetting that it was coming out this summer. But goddamn, this trailer has me looking to hulk out! I'll be there!
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the first one sucked ass.
This looks cool, I miss the ears on The Abomination, but still, this looks cool. The music at the end of the trailer gave me goosebumps
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this looks fun. i'd much rather see a CG Hulk fight hummers than a 65 year old Ford fight Nazis.and plus, Liv Tyler is all kinds of awesome. She's no Jennifer Connoly(sp?), but she's still all kinds of awesome.
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at whatever he does.
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And anyone who actually liked that piece of shite, please go watch Superman Returns. I'm sure you'll freakin' love it.
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Ang's Hulk get some love. It was good. Minus poodles. One thing people dont give any love to was the CG in the first Hulk, it was great. I've said it before, theres some really great talent in this new Hulk but we're not going to see a well acted human drama, we wanna the Hulk! A giant green man -and he just doesnt look that good. Everytime I see him it takes me right out of it. Abomonitaion looks better, more believable, more 'realistic' (for lack of a better word) on screen. I think this Hulk just looks cheap and kinda stupid. Hope I'm wrong, love to see a great Hulk flick.
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hulk will kick ass! fuck what everyone else says.
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Apr 30, 2008 3:14:29 PM CDT
Is it really that hard to make a realistic looking CGI Hulk?
by rev_skarekroe
I'm not being snarky here, I'm asking in all seriousness. Why is it so hard to make a Hulk that looks like he exists in the same universe as the human characters surrounding him?
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A new bar has been set for total geek loser-dom. Seriously, if you care about that you are beyond hope.
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Was a truly great flick. I just saw it again this past weekend at Ebertfest with Lee himself in attendance. He's proud of the film and rightly so. I don't understand the need for Norton's Hulk, though I'm sure it will be great in it's own right-Norton's never let me down. The problem that I have with critics of Lee's Hulk is this: take the criticisms of any truly bad superhero movie i.e. Batman & Robin-it was poorly acted, not dark enough, not intelligent enough, too many rubber nipples, and counter it with Lee's Hulk, which is well acted, somewhat dark and moody, intelligent, and if anything had too few nipples. It was the Hulk all the critics would have said they'd wanted until they actually saw it, and decided that deep down, they just wanted HULK SMASH-explosion-HULK SMASH. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong, could just be blinded by my love of Jennifer Connelly.
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The Hulk is enormous and green. The mere fact of that makes it impossible for him to look real, the most one can hope for is for him to look like a practical effect, like Davy Jones' beard did at times. One of the big problems is that the Hulk is daylight character, which is merciless when it comes to CGI showing holes.
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I just realized, literally, just a second ago, that all of you on these talk backs are just gigantic fucking assholes. All of you, you're just a bunch of pricks that use this place as a sounding board because no one anywhere else will listen to you.
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god dammit harry, read a book on proper grammar already. using dashes ever other sentence, ellipses up the ass, commas and breaks where commas and break ought not to be! i can't take it anymore O_O
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um at the ed of the trailer it says screenplay by zak penn and edward norton.
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I'll go see this with an open mind.
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Yup, officially pysched for this now
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That's me. Thank God you were here to classify me. I'd be hopeless with out you.
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In 1977 the Star Wars aliens looked like men in suits and the ships looked like plastic model kits. Did it ruin the movie? HELL NO! So quit over-scrutinizing the damn trailer FX because that's what they are, FX rendered for the trailer! The final movie will have finalized rendering of the Hulk and he'll look as good as he needs to be while delivering his kick as demolition performances. Is it so hard to put down the damn Star Trek Tri-corder for one second and just enjoy the movie on a whole without waving the white flag for every CGI shot you can distinguish? If we all did this for every man in a suit, every blue-screen, every matte painting and every optical effect we saw in the movies we watched as kids then we'd never enjoy the magic of cinema beyond a perfect production! Get off your damn high horses!
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Apr 30, 2008 3:28:26 PM CDT
Looks like they don't 'deliver' the Hulk this time either
by benbraddock
Wow, he looks horrible. Very poor, sorry guys. It's kind of a shame, if this film (and certain others like it) were to be made in say, another 10-15 years time, then the technology might be in place to do them properly, but we're just not there yet for realistic semi-human characters like the Hulk. This looks like a step backwards, actually. He looks 'drawn' to put it crudely. Ang's Hulk was better, IMHO.
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I would really like for this to be entertaining. I am iffy still about this second trailer. Oh well I appreciate the hard work that it takes to go into these things anyway. We'll just have to see. Good luck with that.
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I had that same epiphany yesterday.
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Fucking Mummy face! I hate that fake ass fucking skin texturing! I have a Hulk screen saver up and his skin looks awesomely shiny. So what happened? I was sure they would improve from the last trailer but this kept me wanting. What don't you understand about organic material and reflecting light? Better still be working on those texture effects, Letterier - or it's back to Transporter 3 (straight to DVD) for you!
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compared to the other flicks this summer, Hulk seems to be lacking in spectical. Still looks pretty good though.
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Have someone go against the Hulk's brute strength with an incredible intellect. Always wanted to see that.
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I liked Ang Lee's Hulk too. It just needed more smash, and less 'wah.' You have to strike a balance between smash and wah, with Hulk, it would be better to err on the side of too much smash, and not enough wah than the other way around.
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I'm trying to get into the trailer and the asshole editor is throwing me off in the first few seconds! Use your own score jerkoff!
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The question is not whether or not Norton wrote this movie... the question is why he would want to have anything to do with this piece of shit. Fuck Marvel and fuck this bullshit, there was a Hulk movie five years ago and that was enough. I don't need to pay twice to see the same fucking shit.
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for the most part you are correct, sir.BUT THAT NEWS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR WEEKS! OLD NEWS! SUPERHEROHYPE HAD THAT STORY LAST WEEK!
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I'm not a fan of the Ang Lee version, but it LOOKED so much better than this does.
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calm down, dude.
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....still suffers from a major, major problem. While we see a little more of Banner and the character dynamics, and while it certainly looks far better than Ang Lee's version, the HULK STILL LOOKS FAKE. And by fake, I mean CGI crapola; he doesn't look the slightest bit real, and thus damages the whole intended effect. It's enough to kill a potentially solid movie: it pulls you out, looks laughable, doesn't carry any weight or drama in the creature. Hopefully, it's because the effects aren't finished, but I doubt that - the monster doesn't look anything like a breathing creature made out of flesh. Whatever special effects company was hired - yeesh, bad move. Because Peter Jackson has proven that it can indeed be done in some realistic measure...
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relax and enjoy a summer movie..... i bet the people that complain the most are the ones first in line to see it .....
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Even though they're not completely throwing out the Lee continuity (as was first reported), I'm still not feeling this. I've now seen both of the action setpieces, and neither looks terribly compelling. Maybe a rental, or if I'm bored.
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Eat bitches! As far as marvel films go, this one may be the G.O.A.T!
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The part where Hulk kicks Tim Roth into the next county triggered something that's been bothering me for a while: how are normal humans able to survive the same beatdown a movie monster gives to, say, a reinforced steel door? Think of all the times you've witnessed cinematic feats of gargantuan strength by some evil beastie. Now think of all the times you've witnessed the (not super) hero getting an industrial-grade bitchslap from the same beastie. Does he fall to the earth in a blob-like puddle because every single bone in his body has just been sundered? Of course not. He rises defiantly, grimaces, wipes the dribble of blood from his mouth and says something like, um, "Is that all you got?" Just sayin'...
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...every time a trailer comes out with less than stellar CG effects, someone says exactly what you did - it's the effects for the trailer! It will look better in the finished film! Guess what? It never does.
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Perhaps Hulk was sub-consciously holding back just enough as to not kill the poor dumb bastard. he is, after all, a "hero", is he not?
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This looks second-rate. The Hulk just looks absolutely artificial, perhaps even more so than in the Ang Lee version. The inclusion of the TV show is a good nod, but why can't we have something new? At the very least, that's what Lee's Hulk offered not to say that movie was successful either. This did not get me psyched at all.
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Nothing about besides the recast says to me otherwise. Hulk still does not speak. I SEE no Gamma bomb! I see a poorly delivered scene with a guy badly acting that he is not afraid of the Hulk though. I did however hear something that sounded like the sad theme from the old show which was the only thing that was good about that overrated tv drama. SO ill give them credit for that much.
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and Ed's face before he changes in the smoke looks like he's got some heavy brown stuff ready to squirt
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First the Transformers soundtrack and now Hulk? Crazy!
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...Hulk wants movie.
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Right on bro! (aliens comment)
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MY COMPUTER. I as usual had to download THIS twice. GLORIOUS MY FRIGGIN ASS. Are they paying the bills to this site or something?
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I assume that Blonsky's transformation into The Abomination is a slower process than the Banner's transformation into the Hulk. I'm guessing the Blonsky that gets kicked is in a sort of Doc Sampson semi-Hulked out state. Of course, I could be way off.
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That shot of someone walking alone in the snow reminded me instantly of Bale climbing the mountain in BB. That is not a bad thing but maybe I need to get my ass out more.
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Looks to be a blast. Ang Lee's HULK was okay. I mean, I'll watch it if there's nothing else on. It kinda felt like a mashup of an overanalyzed origin story, and some stuff the sfx guys thought would be cool. The tv show was alright, like, when I was a kid. Now, I couldn't bear to watch it. Hopefully, they won't borrow too liberally from it. I know that's the version a lot of people are familiar with, but damn. This time, we'll have to hope they don't get too carried away with the action to make it appeal to Joe Lunchbox. Y'know, I never realized so many CGI experts came to this site.
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He's a raging monster! Why try to make him into Spidey 2.0? That wasn't his appeal, it was the fear losing control, of what's inside you, that made the character great. They got that right, but then they say, "Oh, wait, I can control him enough to kick Mr. Orange's ass, right? Then I'll calm down and go back to being a fugitive or piece of research meat." Huh???
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And thats a GOOD thing.
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'nuff said
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That looked awesome. You are crazy.
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That all these hatin' TB'ers could see a movie depicting the best moments of their own lives and still come out saying, "Man, that movie sucked ass! Who's bright idea was it to put nipples on me?! And even though he had nothing to do with it, fuck Michael Bay! And George Lucas raped my childhood!"
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Apr 30, 2008 3:54:57 PM CDT
Greyspecter OBVIOUSLY does not read The Incredible Hulk
by dreadlock holmes
Hulk may be a force of nature but he can be heroic. I've got the collection to prove it.
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their PR bullshit to butter up the fanboys already spawned an overhyped, campy sitcom directed by Favreau and now a faux sequel from a Hack Pack honorary member. Blah.
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So fucker true. I'm convinced TB'ers hate life. Thats why i don't post much on these boards, the hate in here is too fucking rank!
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Trying to use gamma rays, a common form of radiation, as the explanation as to why the Hulk transformation occurs is ridiculous. It just doesn't hold be cause we KNOW that over exposure to gamma rays doesn't cause that. They needed to do something to explain things in a way that made ANY kind of sense.
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Ang Lee's vision wasn't bad, per se, just not the Hulk movie that I wanted. THIS, however, looks like a blast. Hope for the best!
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My comment didn't really apply specifically to the new Hulk flick. Seeing as I haven't caught the movie yet, I didn't want to make too many assumptions as to how Tim Roth's character was able to walk away from Hulk giving him Das Boot. Maybe he's wearing randomnameian body armor, maybe he's already gamma 'roided, etc. At any rate, I can't help but think a kick powerful enough to knock you fifty feet backwards is one you're not getting up from anytime soon...
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Tim Roth has already benefitted from the super soldier serum (the same stuff that toughened up Captain America). He can can go mano-mano with the Hulk because he's already super-strong and super-durable. He just can't beat him that way, thus the need for the abomination transformation.
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... I bought into King Kong, etc. They could have done a better job here. Also, he looks too much like Lee's Hulk. Norton is a much better actor than Bana and Roth gets off on bad guys, but the effects are suspect. As for Liv... whatever. She's never done it for me as an actress. Connelly is better.
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Liv Tyler has a willy.
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...and it still looks too CG. None the less Norton, Hurt and Roth are a solid cast. And like Transformers I'm gonna see this mostly for giant things smashing and blowing shit up real good like.
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I dug the look of this film. Yes, many of you have written The Hulk looks too CG, but, honestly, if the story is more "smash" than "wahhh!" I'm into it. I have a feeling the final rendered effects will be up to par.
Plus, that trailer showed Banner trying to escape from the military, to hide. This is a good character development wrinkle we didn't see much of in Ang Lee's film.
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I hate to say it, but that's the truth. I hope that it's just a bad trailer and the script is pretty good and the directing was decent. But doesn't make me feel good about it at this point.
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Especially after seeing the Dark Knight trailer. CGI looks cheap too.
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Hulk will own all forms of ass! Big, small, round, flat, black, hairy, etc.........
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I thought Ang Lee's CG Hulk looked great. The CG dogs not so much, but that last big desert action set piece in the 2003 Hulk was balls out rad. Hulk in plain daylight and he interacted with a million different elements of the scene seamlessly. I think the visual look of the Hulk in this one, 5 years later, is a visible step down. And to the guy who was saying that these are trailer effects, I remember reading an interview with Louis Leterrier where he said that the reason we didn't see a lot of advance promotional material for this is because he wanted to make sure the effects are fully finished before they get out there for the public to see. He thought that was what killed Lee's Hulk, that the Superbowl spot with the unfinished CG put a nail in that film's coffin. I dunno, to me this new Hulk looks really pixelated and dirty, but we'll see how it all goes down in the finished film. Which I'm sure will be a solidly entertaining but fairly stupid piece of summer fluff.
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I'm with the general consensus I think when I say 'good trailer, Hulk effects still just don't look right'...
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although I didn't like the looks of it in the trailers, so hopefully they have enough time to keep tweeking and rendering. I like this trailer better than the frist, and I think I might go see this.
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I thought Blonksy was supposed to be on a super soldier type serum when he fights the Hulk, which is why he could survive that kick. Fuck knows.
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when I watched this, it's so bad. I like Ed Norton, but he just seems wrong for this part, and the scene where he's hulking out looks like he's straining on a large, corn-laden turd.
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I thought this site was for movie lovers, not fucktards who's only contribution is "this film is shit, because the cgi isn't perfect". Ever heard the expression "better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt". Losers.
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Is that I have no hopes of it being any good. I'll probably go see it, just because, but I won't have everyone telling me it's really good (like Ironman) and I won't have the super hype machine (The Dark Knight, not that it matters TDK will kick ass). So, if it is even remotely mediocore, that will be a plus.
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Jeremiah Wright just said that shit. You have to wait a couple of weeks before you can use it for your own purposes fuck.
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Ang Lee's was a GREAT film and had a much better looking Hulk CGI wise. This looks like a DTV movie. Terrible trailer.
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Because I watched that trailer.
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I think they made a big mistake doing the Hulk as a fully CGI character. I dunno, aside from Gollumn, I can't think of any fully CGI characters in any movie that completely worked for me. It's not just the animation: I just don't get any feeling from the clips that the Hulk is an extension of Edward Norton's Banner. For me, the real proof that they would have been better off with an actor in make-up/prosthetics is how good Ron Perlman comes off in Hellboy. The film was't great, but I thought the onscreen realization of the character was terrific: visually stunning, faithful to the comic (sans hooves), and you got a strong emotional connection through the actor's direct performance.
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He'd better not be a lumbering simopleton or some rage machine because this movie already has one of those. That's what I like about the Abomination, he still retained his intellect and still gets his ass whooped.
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"Y'know, I never realized so many CGI experts came to this site."
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I'm over CGI. I hit the wall. This just strikes me as annoying to look at.
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I could give a fuck about this movie but have a question about the CGI...
15 years ago CGI motherfuckers were able to make CGI Dinosaurs believably exist and blend in perfectly with the real world around them and the actors in that real world (except for the Galimimus stampede or however the fuck you spell them - that looks a bit cack now - but the rest of that dino flick is solid!). So how come 15 years since then CGI motherfuckers can't manage to make a big green monster-man look in any way believable? 15 years!!! Gay. -
What shit? Just cos someone else said it, doesn't mean it's not true. And if your going to have a pop at me for unoriginality, count the number of dicks who have all moaned about the cgi. Plus, the quote is an old saying, "ever heard the expression" I'm not claiming it as my own, just reiterating. Jeremiah Wright did not invent it either. I've known that phrase for the last 20 years at least.
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First half of the trailer looks like the Bourne Ultimatum, the second half turns into the second half of I Am Legend. What the fuck, I'm gonna watch it. That close up of the Hulk's face made me wince a bit, but the action sequences look pretty solid-- the filmakers have certainly nailed the Hulk as being an engine of utterly terrifying destruction. It'll probably be good fun if nothing else-- but I want to hear Hulk speak! Hulk are strongest there is! Hulk can has cheezburger!
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Apr 30, 2008 4:41:51 PM CDT
If you think Lee's Hulk had an ounce of honest pathos...
by industrykiller!
Then quite frankly you are a sucker. The father/son relationship bullshit might have been present but it was also completely and utterly ridiculous and didn't have a single honest moment. I can't believe people could actually be fooled into thinking that movie had depth. The human moments in this film seem to be much more rich, just in the trailer alone. A Bruce Banner with a personality doesn't hurt. I'm willing to bet this is easily the deeper film and, despite it's more entertaining status, a much better exploration of Bruce Banner's situation.
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Up until a few days ago you lot would get so worked up about how much you hated Ang Lee's Hulk but now all of a sudden you're all queing up to stroke it's heinie, and tell it how special and different it is from other heinies? You fairweather filmlovers!
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This ten times better than the first trailer. They must be really crunched for time, bet they didn't have anything to show last time. Ang Lee's Hulk was oddly average to the core.
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so says the real Ang Lee.
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I won't add to the net-nerd-hate thing, but it looks like a decent popcorn flick.
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making a realistic dinosaur is a lot easier than making a CGI human realistic. That won't be done in our lifetimes (or our kids).
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a you tube link yet? Fuck Quicktime.
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His being on the run, hiding in like South America or whatever, seems to tell us it follows the previous movie.
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will be The Dark Knight and the Sex and the City movie.
Bank on it.
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the initial trailer had me apprehensive (seemed completely devoid of any emotion), but now I can't f-ing wait for this. norton might have just pulled this thing off!
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Or is that the Hulk Ultimatum what with all the rooftops and all?
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Specifically the green shit you take eating spinach. Fuck Harry and the obvious payola. This will tank...
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CGI just works better with a muted palette it isn't rocket science lol (see Lotr for examples, cave trolls, gollum etc) I think the garish green just takes you out of reality given the limitations of effects today, could be wrong, just my opinion. Will reserve judgement anyway as really liked the Bixby hulk vibe they seem to be going with :)
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Should have hired ILM again.
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Either stupid WGA regulation or Mr Norton is not that proud of his work. Having read the script, I'd lean more toward the latter.
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I praised it here when it first came out and I still maintain that there's a lot to like. It looks & feels like a comic book. They had a good feeling for who the Hulk was (ie. misunderstood, destructive but with heroic tendencies). And as mentioned, the desert action sequence was ass-kickeriffic. But it WAS boring. Not because it was introspective, but because the introspection was terrible. Technobabble and amateur psychology are no substitute for actual emotion. The character moments were shallow and dull. And the climax was weird and stupid. *** But at the point where Hulk escapes the desert base, and for the next 10 minutes or so, it's a glorious, fantastic Hulk movie.
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Looking forward to both. They open the same day. I won't mind as much if Hulk is a disappointment and M. Night has a comeback.
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Best. Comicbook move. Ever.
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It is the fucking anatomy. These guys don't have a fucking clue about musculature or bone structure. Seriously, it looks like these CGI artists took life drawing classes from Rob Leifeld. I'm on the fence about Ang Lee's version - there are good things about it and bad things. One of the good things IMO was the Hulk design. Not so much this time out. Even if this movie kicks all kinds of ass (which I doubt) the CGI Hulk from Ang's version will still be better.
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Why? Its alot better than the first trailer and showed us so much more promising stuff. I for one am onboard. Why cant people just wait and see? I did enjoy Ang's version tho.
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the CGI looks horrible... i think going the route of Mr. Hyde would have been a little better (as mentioned by someone else above)... http://bp2.blogger.com/_m6aJOwGpyfI/RZac0OuyLhI/AAAAAAAAAl0/dgdiUu3GeAw/s1600-h/lxg_hyde.JPG
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we need one of those videos that shows the trailers for Ang Lee's Hulk and this new one at the same time like they did with the Batman trailers. I'll bet the results would be similar.
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Tiny URL, please. It's only a click away!
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to be fair... if the CGI didn't look like stuff out of Beowolf or Final Fantasy movies, the rest of this trailer looked pretty awesome! I love the music at the end of the trailer, the Bill Bixby vibe, etc.
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It was a great idea I think...
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How the fuck could they do a giant big green monster that doesn't look fake? Don't give me Gollum, that fucker fell down from the screen as well. If it bothers you that the giant rampaging monster doesn't look as real as the guy sitting next to you, there's no making you happy.
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Ang Lee's movie was better than this. Come on now.
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As I read the first sentence in your post, that's the first thing that popped into my mind. I'll bet a lot of people would agree.
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I was just gonna post a response about Harry saying the TV series was goddamn great,but allow me to reinterate: It sucked! A drifter who wanders from town to town only to get his ass whipped (while helping complete strangers no less.)turn into the Hulk who tosses ppl around and hitchikes down that lonely road with sleepytime piano music. *credits roll* The first two TV Movies were good, I'll give you that but the rest of the series was shit on a creamsicle.One of the things I liked about Lee's Hulk was the end in which Bana/Banner says in "espanol":don't make me angry, you would'nt like me when I'm angry..only to end with Elfman's powerful theme followed by Velvet revolver's set me free.I could care less what the haters say about Ang's Hulk, as it surpassed it's successors, i.e. the rediculous Superman Returns,The effortless Ghost Rider and the Floptastic Four.Norton who was great in American History X and the 24th Hour has now turned into a control freak...fuckin diva is no Banner compared to (Eric) Bana.
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I think Spawn had bad CG, but was that after 93?
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Anybody who thinks Hulk was never a hero, or that he was only ever a raging monster (within a complex man who was battling his inner demons) has apparently never read the comics that featured the Hulk... Or they think Ang Lee's version is the real story and the comics are wrong.
Hulk was a member of the Avengers, Defenders, and the heroic side of the Secret Wars. He's been fully capable of teaming up with other heroes and working toward a common goal, and even when he's the savage Hulk, he's still got enough sense to know the people he likes from the people who mean to do bad things.
THIS Hulk is looking like a combination of the 616 version and the Ultimate version, with a little TV Hulk thrown in for good measure.
The problem with Ang Lee's movie was that he turned BANNER into a complex, multi-tiered personality that spent a lot of time navel-gazing, and that's just NOT Banner. Not the TV version, not the Ultimate version, and certainly not the 616 version.
The deepest Banner ever got was during Peter David's run when they got into the "Hulk as extreme multiple personality disorder" storyline, and that's where the abusive father angle came in. It was never a part of Hulk's story until that run of comics, and it's largely ignored today except as an accepted "root" for Banner's inability to control the Hulk.
Ang Lee's Banner was a guy I wouldn't want to meet. He was kind of an annoying asshole, with nothing really interesting to say. The Banner in the comics is one of the smartest guys on the planet, and he's got a lot less emotional baggage out in the open than that movie version. He was never a dick, though, and the Ang Lee version most certainly was.
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Or does the Army not let anyone use its new uniforms?
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a pair of testicles released from a recently slit ball sack. Wow. I'm speechless.
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This movie might kick ass. . .I want it to kick ass. . .I have always loved Ed Norton from Fight Club, and now it looks like maybe they made a decent movie. The first trailer wasn't as good as this second one. . .we'll see though. I also wonder what Norton fought with the studio over.
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If that trailer is accurate, I'm predicting a very tacky, very weak film. All nuance of the Ang Lee film is gone so that we can see big CGI monsters have a punching contest. ("Who will punch harder!?! Oh, the drama!!!") Please note that I'm not saying that Ang Lee's film was perfect, or that one Hulk necessarily has to be better than the other, or that HULK's detractors don't sometimes have valid points. For my money, though, the film has staying power because it has (to my mind) depth of character.
Here ... I just can't help being skeptical. For instance, this Thunderbolt may actually be closer to one of the comic book manifestations of the character, but his portrayal here just strikes me as lame and two-dimensional. Another stock "hard-ass" military guy. And what the hell was up with Blonsky walking up to the Hulk with his "that all you got?" line? It at least LOOKS like all balls, no brains so far. (I'd go a step further and say it looks tailor-made for those looking for the "Bad-Ass Brand of Instant-Film" despite being completely unearned and utterly nonsensical to the story. Just sayin' ... Blonsky better have a damn good reason for playing Rambo if the film's not going to degenerate into self-parody.)
I'll bet that this will generate a response here (and I freely admit that I haven't seen the film yet, so it's all conjecture), but what the hell sense does it make to "even up the score" ... against a guy who's apparently NOT bothering anyone unless provoked ... by creating a SECOND monster?
"General, there's a loose nuke out there somewhere that we need to track down before it explodes."
"Hmmmmm ... I know, let's release a SECOND loose nuke so that the two bombs neutralize one another. Problem solved."
"Um, General, that ... um ..."
"JUST DO IT! In fact, send THREE more loose nukes out there ... that way the first loose nuke will be outnumbered."
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As cool as the story seems for this one, i have to say the CGI is too distracting. 5 years on and the effects look worse the first film... Sad!
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Just out of curiosity, ZombieCorpse, what makes you say that? I can dig that you "wouldn't want to meet him," but I wouldn't want to meet a lot of people that make interesting characters in film.
I wouldn't want to meet Jabba the Hutt. And Han Solo would probably piss me off outside of an hour if I had to actually meet the guy and spend time with him (the self-centered prick that he is). How about Luke? Ugh, the whining ... (just sayin'). -
I was just posting. Sorry. I'm sure your post was riveting. Shame on me for just skipping over it and writing what I felt like writing.
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the scene where Hulk is using car doors for boxing gloves came straight from that Xbox game.Uh how original.And you would think after five years, the CGI would improve right? He looks like a man made from spinach."HO Ho Ho, Green Giant".Tim Roth may save this film, but I'm not banking on Norton's performance in this one. Sowwies.
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Anyone remember the CGI in Alone in the Dark?
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Is for him to say HULK SMASH! Then I will watch even though it doesn't look all that great. I'm not that hard to please! But he looks mute in this !
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I was at Ebertfest too, albeit on Friday to see The Real Dirt on Farmer John. Do you go to U of I?
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Looks more like NORTON RUN!!! than HULK SMASH!!! that is until the final 20 minutes when he'll battle Abomination in a bland final battle. Gimme TDK over this any day
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the cg doesnt look so bad..I dont see a whole lot of difference in the detail/realism than what it was in ang lees..So i dont understand the complaining ..the first hulk had plenty of cartoony cg and about one scene that looks real..this has 2 cg main charcters and look more realistic but still some weak spots with hulk..I know its harder to animate organic subjects and make it look real, so you cant compare with tranformers cause it had the edge there..
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Not a big reader of the comics etc. but I remember storylines that established a 2nd version of the Hulk that was calmer, more inteligent and Grey. The green one still emerged, but Banner could sometimes control the change. It would be cool if this was touched upon in the movie. Also, can we have a Green, amazonian She-Hulk please embracing her 'gamma-like' powers and defending Banner in court. Thanks. As for Ang Lee's vision, who cares if it was thought provoking... it was boring for kids. Whether we 30 something geeks like it or not, super hero movies are family films. Hopefully The Incredible Hulk will go a long way to turning around a failed franchise. Finally, I liked the TV Theme at the end.
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I hate Apple's site sometimes... for people who claim expertise in interfaces, they sure make it hard to tell which is the new trailer on that page.
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You forgot were also getting the new Punisher in august!
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The CGI on this film truly looks horrible and MUCH worse than Ang Lee's film.It's gonna flop worse than Aquaman on hot concrete. :(
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the hulk looks grey in the rain scene
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And yes, it really is hard to make a CGI human/hulk. Unless you jerks can model and animate anything in 3-D, you should shut yo' mouths.
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It looks so-so at best. The Hulk looks faker than the first movie.
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Apr 30, 2008 6:34:52 PM CDT
Mistergreen, seeing as we got a far BETTER Hulk in 2003
by theghostwholurks
...I think people have a RIGHT to complain about how crummy the CGI in this new film looks.
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the eyes look the fakest
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...they should have stuck with that universe, and made a sequel that was more action oriented. i still say the CGI in that flick was excellent... don't know why people hate it so much....
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The character design is fucking awful
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After seeing this new trailer, I'm green with envy. It looks like this one might be the HULK movie that the last one should have been. Too slow a pace, too much worthless spiritulaistic crap, and not enough action made the first HULK feature mediocre, but this look like it's gonna pack one helluva punch!
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Is it just me or does Hulk have a really nice haircut?
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As a movie it was weak and meandered WAAAAY tooo much, and whenever I saw the green giant with chubby baby cheeks I just wanted to vomit. Granted the CGI in this could still use a bit of work, it seems to be more of what people would expect from a HULK movie. And Bronsky already got dosed with the super soldier serum when he got punted.
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Green on green on green is the most obvious thing to avoid. Put him in a city, in the snow IN THE DESERT MAYBE hmmm ... but, yeah. Good point.
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is that the new clint eastwood movie?
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In the span of 24 hours, we've gotten to check out new trailers for INDIANA JONES, THE DARK KNIGHT, and now THE INCREDIBLE HULK. And, saints be praised, they all look EXCELLENT. This summer, the movies theaters are fated to rock with some killer movies.
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regarding your summer hope, privilege yourself with Iron Man too. fat kids bumping chests in the aisles, check. it spanks.
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i never cared for ed norton, always looked like a jerk.. glad to know that's his real personality. Liv Tyler= Dregs at the bottom of the barrel. ang lee is gonna come out looking like the man after this...
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THAT TRAILER FUCKING SUCKED. THIS IS SUCH A FUCKING ABORTION. FUCK THIS MOVIE! THE HULK LOOKS LIKE THE GUYS FROM ROBOT CHICKEN DID THE ANIMATION!
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Look at us cynical lil’ cry-baby Fanboys. Each one of us building these little walls of protection to shield us from the pain of yet another mediocre Hulk movie. These Talk-back blurbs of diminished expectations are really just reverse psychological acts of desperation… We really do want this to be the ultimate kick-ass Hulk Smash movie. But yet at the same time we seek oscar caliber performances, writing that is sharp and poignant (with some bonafide in-depth character development). Oh yea plus it’s mandatory that it be true-to-the-comics, all 40 plus years of it. We want all of that and we need it to flow (without it feeling forced) in just under 2 hours! Don’t tell me it can’t be done mother fucker! This is gawd-damned America! Kennedy promised a man on the moon by the end of the 60’s, and by damn we put us a man on the frigg’n moon (we, meaning former ex-nazi rocket scientists of course).
You know that you'll be there opening day, just like me. End up saying how cool it is upon leaving the theater, then a week later laminate on how much better it coulda been if only (insert infinite number of possibilities here__.)
I really like the idea of how Marvel films are approaching these new properties, it's sounding like they're laying the foundations for a larger universe by inter-connecting these films, just like in those funny books they come from. Now take notice Hollywood producer man.
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If only this movie didn't have a poorly received predecessor to surpass. I don't understand the lack of marketing for this thing. They went balls out for the first one but it's been relatively quiet on this. The action looks cooler, but we kind of saw this story in the first. Ross chasing Hulk, except they've added a monster this time. There was one last time it was just tacked on and made no fucking sense. I understand they have to reset the pieces in a more presentable fashion to wash out the taste of the first (which I actually liked, but generally speaking...) but I wished they'd gone with a different kind of story. I hold Zak Penn accountable for all of these comic book based flicks that had the potential to be special. The Brett Ratner of screenwriting. Of course I'll see Hulk, but I'm not expecting to be blown away.
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I just noticed him in the trailer.
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or plastic. There's no sense of flesh. Muscle definition seems off or they're placing too much emphasis in the wrong areas. Face, eyes, hair, expressions etc look really fake. I know they were going for a smaller Hulk but the version they have now doesn't seem imposing in the way that Hulk is supposed to be. Everything else about the movie might be great but the CG is bad enough to be distracting.
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They pushed Punisher back to December.
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That had my clit pretty sweaty; I think it looks really, really good. I got a total TV series vibe from it and I love that.
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"Bill Bixby, I'd fight Bill Bixby."
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about the bitches who bitch about the bitchers bitching?
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I think he's fine... but really, I don't get all the praise. That said, I'll wait for the feedback on this one to get out before I emerge. I'm not a Hulk guy and while the trailer looked all right, it didn't sell me completely.
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They have their workcut out for them if the CGI looks like that for the release, especially competing with Iron Man. But seems like a much better Hulk movie than Ang Lee's. I like the bit of TV show theme at the end. And yes the Hulk dumps in the woods, after eating you for breakfast.
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What I liked about Lee's film. Well, let's see here. Jenniffer Connolly was scrumptious to look at but underused. Josh Lucas was an awesome character, but underused. Thunderbolt Ross? He was amazing. Eric Bana? BOOOORING. The plot? BOOORING. Nick Nolte? ZZZZZZZZ
Hulk dogs? eh. ok. Plot? eh.
Line of cars getting smashed on the San Francisco hills? great
art direction/comic book page thingy? AMAZING and never repeated. Ang Lee as Hulk? He should be in the new movie.
Deflating 50 ft high Hulk? Interesting.. like watching a balloon deflate.
New movie? Ok, the trailer isn't so great, but still, it should be a competent action flick.
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Apr 30, 2008 7:53:12 PM CDT
HULK looks a bit rubbery up close. Abomination not quite Abmoni
by violator90
WHY! CAN'T! ABOMINATION! LOOK! LIKE! THIS! http://tinyurl.com/5l6heh
BRAVO! To whom ever did this. Man, when the dvd comes out, can you make a version with Abmination looking like that. Really, Hollywood. What is so FUCKING hard to keep true to the source material but still "modernized" it? I mean Abomination is suppose to be this horrifying creature that was once a man, hence the name Abomination. Not some shit colored Swam Thing. I liked Lee's version, because he really went to the source material and pretty much cut and paste that shit on the screen. Ok, its NOT every ones cup of tea, but at least the Hulk did look like the Hulk from the comics and cartoon. No doubt that even up close Lee's Hulk looked more realistic that this one. This one looks a bit rubbery. But I am trying to keep an open mind to it. But the big question: why is Marvel NOT advertising this along with IRON MAN like peanut butter and jelly? Two of Marvels heroes on the big screen, Hell! Start showing trailers and comerials back to back. Mavel is really dropping the ball with Hulk. I'm crossing my fingers hoping that the Hulk is not another BATMAN AND ROBIN. -
"the close up of his face around 1:15... the shaders are terrible.. doesn't even look like they used sub surface scatter on hulk's skin shader.. which is why it looks like a painting most of the time.. too cartoony.. and the design has no inspiration.. especially the evil hulk character (abomination.. hulk's muscle flexing and facial animation is terrible but the biggest thing is the shaders and compositing just lacks photorealism.." take that how you will, but this is from someone who actually works on digital effects for big budget studio films and has worked for one of the companies that the Incredible Hulk farmed out its effects to.
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Rubber Nipples? Really? Did Ang Lee's Hulk even HAVE nipples? And why were you looking?
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If all goes well, I would like to see Daniel Day-Lewis play the Hulk in the thrid one. Damn, I can see him willing the Oscar for that role!
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Because if he did, Universal would sue because those "ears" make him look like the Creature from the black lagoon on steroids. As to the shaders? I'm no visual effects expert. I'll just say I like this Hulk better than Lee's. It's like they said "fuck it. if we make it look more photorealistic it will just look worse because everybody knows a 20 foot tall man with muscles the size of small children isn't real and it will just stand out more". Ever heard of "uncanny valley"? that's where Ang Lee's Hulk hailed from.
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I agree, the Gandalf effect would have been much better--a combo of man-in-suit and gandalf, ie, perspective shifts and cgi insertions, rather than characterizations.
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Does anyone get the sense that this HULK is a little too pretty-boy? His hair is nicer, longer, and he poses all tough-like opposite Ed Norton. What do u guys think?
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from what universe? banner didnt even know he was banner...and where did all the oedipal bullshit come from...this one seems pretty close to the bruce jones story line...right down to banner using yoga to control the change...
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Apr 30, 2008 8:13:01 PM CDT
Yeah ANg Lee's Hulk was NOTHING like the source material
by industrykiller!
I mean really it's just as simple as that.
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Apr 30, 2008 8:14:05 PM CDT
btw, hulk is green for the same reason that the spirit's suit is
by bacci40
weak colorazation process...the real hulk should be grey...have at it fan bois
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MetroSexual Hulk is pretty attractive, isn't he?
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yeah i know you got it.
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If they make the HULK look too real it will start to enter the Uncanny Valley. I'm not a huge fan of the look of him here, but you can't make him photo realistic and then blow him up to 20 feet tall on the screen. If Spiderman didn't look just a little cartoony you would have been taken out of the film because your mind would go "wait a minute" and distract you. Same here, only because you are looking at something with real features it needs to go ever so slightly more in that direction.
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I've already seen this movie about 5 years ago.
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You wouldn't like me when I'm a weird little movie producer.
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and all the love that ang lee's hulk is finally getting.as for the trailer, emil blonsky's acting all badass because he's supposed to be full of some hulk-juice/super-soldier-serum himself, they just don't show him doing his superhero thing, only that it, obviously, isn't enough to take on the Hulk so he hulks out himself.and wtf @ people complaining about the abomination. he's perfect. if they made him look exactly like the comics, everyone would be asking why the hell does one of them look like a lizard-fish-man-hulk and the other one like lou-ferrigno-hulk?i actually like the look of this hulk better cuz he looks like a cross between Ang Lee's and the TV series' Lou Ferrigno.i'm also glad to see this is a continuation of Ang's film, looks more and more like a sequel.and his hair isn't metro. metro hair = guido hair. that's what we need. a movie with a guido-hulk (straight from the toxic swamplands of new jersey?) and only DR. MCNINJA can take him down.
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there's a shot at 2:14 of him sitting next to Betty all docile-like. aww emo aww
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That's how the logo reads, every time I see it.
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Kinda, just a little bit. A little bit.
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Anyone remember the Hulk face they showed off at Wizard World, or Comic Con, or wherever the heck it was? It actually looked more like the comic than anything.
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It was smart and not a typical superhero movie, but this new one also looks good.
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According to an interview with the director here :http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/03/14/hulks-louis-leterrier-explains-the-trailer/
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I had been under the ongoing impression that "emo" was a type of music. Apparently not. Now, if somebody appears upset, or decides to put their head down, or be in a shitty mood of some sort, they are now "emo". I was thinking that scene was supposed to be symbolic of the inner turmoil of Bruce Banner and the constant failure to get rid of the beast within, but apparently you've proven me wrong. I suppose Batman's emo too, huh?
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...sound like a bunch of pretentious film students. I'm serious.....if I had, let's just say 10 completely random items and placed them in front of you. 9 out of those 10 items would out right suck. And the 10th would be "Meh...I'm not impressed"
"That 10 foot tall green monster man doesn't look real"
"Have you ever seen a 10 foot tall green monster man in real life?"
"No..."
"Then how do you know that's not what it looks like?"
You guys can continue this battle of Who could care less, as long as this site exists but that trailer looks awesome.
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Bring back Lou Ferrigno ...the best hulk to date. Plus, he's real.
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Rhythm and Hues can't do organic CGI.
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Dude, chinaman is not the proper nomenclature.
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It's not like he was brought over here to build the railroads.
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but will probably deliver the expected goods to the WWF crowd.
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No originality in the basic plot, the CGI looks weak and too much Marvel control screwing the pooch.
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How is being perceptively critical of ill conceived lighting and detail got anything to do with being a fucking film student...fuck off..people are not BLIND...that has nothing to do with green fucking babies in nappies or whatever..
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If they go the mute Hulk route again I'm done with Hulk on film.
I hated the silent Hulk on t.v. as a kid...I tolerated it in the Ang Lee version minus the one garbled phrase he uttered, not to mention the total bastardization of the origin, the ignorant gamma dogs (a poodle? a flippin' poodle? if it had been German Shepherds, Rotweilers, or Pitbulls it might have half worked), and Bruce's dad being the Absorbing Man...that was just stupid...and I liked Nick Nolte in the part...cause I like crazy people...but, the story just sucked...
There was much I liked about the Ang Lee version, namely the Hulk fighting the US Army in the desert (the tank hammer toss ruled), Jennifer Connelly was delicious of course, and Sam Elliot was great as General Ross...
I like Norton...Tyler I'm ok with...but, Hurt just doesn't make me feel he's a military man...just seems to be the obligatory 1980's hard ass generic general...
and yet again...the source material beckons...The Incredible Hulk can speak...simplistic to verbose depending on who was writing a particular issue...so, why has Hollyweird insisted on a mute Hulk again and again? if Lucas could have the hated Jar Jar blather on for scene upon scene, surely we can have a little "Hulk hates puny humans!", or the trademark "Hulk Smash!" it would just add to the character being more than a musclebound wrecking ball...guess we'll see soon if they blow it or not... -
Apr 30, 2008 11:19:43 PM CDT
Piece of Shit will FAIL just like the last one! Harry is an idi
by brian_de_man
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do these fuckers even bother watching a bodybuilding contest to see what it would even come close to looking like having a man that size in motion? Or do they just take a human shape and draw silly overly done lines trying pathetically to replicate actual striations, because that looked like cheap 9th grade art school bullshit. The movie will still be better than that Ang Lee garbage but jesus do these designs and renderings suck major fucking ass.
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the Abomination. Kick that dumb fuck in his balls and show him how he's supposed to look. Not how he wants to put his own stupid spin on the character because that looks like shit. Whoever the cunt was that approved that design he should be shot and then fired.
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looks like cartoony out of place shit. Didn't they do that goddamn groan inducing shot in IM where he shoots the tank with a missle? It looks like more of the same lazy shit from these fucks.
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Looked like some lost confused child who never got more than mildly upset, sure people who know nothing about the Hulk can accept that version. But the real Hulk is supposed to be filled with more than just anger, he has RAGE and he desn't look like a Bulk that keeps growing nor does he wear bicycle shorts like Bana Hulk. I don't care what level the CGI is as long as the look is spot on, this film has the look of the Hulk spot on and that's a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned!
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EVERYTHING looks GREAT, except the Abomination's lack of ears!
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All in all, it looks basically okay. Norton seems like he'd make a solid Bill Bixby-like Banner that walks the Earth in his loneliness...blah, blah, blah...and then he'll Hulk out and we'll get a big fight.My problem is the same as so many others: the CGI still looks like it came out of a video game. I don't know if that means the movie SFX are just "not there" in terms of realism OR alternately if it means all of our X-Box 360 and Playstation 3 games are more high end than we give them credit for. Either way my problem is the same that I had when I saw the first HULK film: every time he's on screen I get pulled out of the movie because he just looks TOO damn CGI. Yes, I know -- the aliens in the Prequels were mostly CGI too. But they were fucking aliens with crab claws or bug eyes or whatever else and were NOT supposed to represent a "photo realistic" human (albeit a giant green one). My point being that it's easier for your eye to buy into the aliens (as you see them) versus looking at the Hulk.So it could be a doofy, fun popcorn movie -- which make no mistake is JUST what I love about summer moviegoing -- but all in all this does seem like just more of the same, and I wasn't too impressed or thrilled the first time out. To that end I agree with those that say if this DOESN'T blow the doors off the theaters, it's time to retire the Hulk for a good 10-15 years till the effects work can really nail it.
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These guys put in 13 hour days and hardly saw their families just so you all can get to see hulk smash shit up.
Sadly, I agree that this Hulk looks like crap! Even with all their hard work... What do you expect from Rhythm and Hues? They are like the mass-production effects house. Dudes work their fingers to the bone to bring you Alvin, Narnia and The Golden Compass... you will have several hits and misses when you have to spit out so much work. -
That's a great tune. As for the movie ... I like the Bill Bixby vibe. Hope this is good, but Hulk looks a bit waxy. Time to hire WETA for the CGI.
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ILM didn't do that Hulk, Rhythm and Hues (who do all the talking animal films) did it. ILM did the first one. As for IM, the reason THAT shot looks like a videogame is the overdone grading. Go and look at the updated version (weirdly, WITHOUT that grading) or see the film. Strangely yet unsurprisingly I've never heard you complain when Michael Bay does EXACTLY the same cross-filter thing on actual people in his films.
You are right though and I do agree with you that this new one looks like balls. Not for the muscles so much, which are not as important (if you don't want to take the redundant step of making him just look like a bodybuider blown up and comped in) as - the eyes. Someone tell these guys about acting, and ignore the guy saying his eyes must be open in every shot no matter what because we need to see they're green too.
And here's your nerd medal, Poetic. For being oblivious to the fact that the Abomination's ears look FUCKING RIDICULOUS in this context and would take absolutely everyone who isn't a sexually fragile pantywaist (who can't disassociate themselves from living through their adolescent homoerotic avatars) right out of the fucking movie and into fits of laughter. What's more important, the point of the scene and the character, or fucked-up (when not in a stylised context) fish/bat ears? Oh wait. I know your answer. Probably starts or ends in "cunt". So much for "Poetic". -
As you're diametrically opposed and both have Hulk issues with both rage AND what constitutes manliness. BTW, go and look at some Kirby Hulk art, and realise how close they actually got, considering the constraints of this medium. Better than this one, from the looks so far.
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of The Fugitive. But I do love how Ed tries to run and hide in his BRIGHT RED HOODIE!
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seems as if they threw all of their resources into Iron Man, leaving the Hulk with little more than sloppy left overs. if this trailer is *any* indication (and it is), this movie is definitely the Danny DeVito to Iron Man's Arnold Schwarzenegger. yep... that's right. i took it back to '88 on your asses.
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Did anybody bother to study SOME anatomy? Is that dead green skin?.
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Yes, with a stable supply of quality geek films beginning with No Country for Old Men and Cloverfield to Quantum of Solace. Even the Star Wars stuff might be good, we are truly living in a time of legends. I might tell my grand kids about this...if I ever get a girl pregnant and we have successful offspring that manage to procreate.
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If you don't like the trailer and tv spots thus far, check this one out. Go to www.darkhorizons.com. It's a bootleg but frackin' awesome.
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That is some weird skin goin' on there. It's all pocky and rubbery. And what's with the weird steel cables under all that gooey Hulkness? This looks more like Stretch Hulkstrong.
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CGI makes any movie imaginable possible. Earlier this decade we were given the awesome LOTR trilogy. They're doing Narnia, Harry Potter, Transformers, every super-hero in creation... none of this shit would be affordable or feasible without CGI. Tis the Golden Age of geekdom. My only complaint is that due to the huge success of LOTR, Hollywood seems to be focusing on fantasy flicks. I dare some write/director to create a new epic sci-fi series on the veins of Star Wars/Star Trek. Whoever does, will rake in the dough., and then the copycats will follow.
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More exposition-y!
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AICN probably doesn't have it because it was on Iron Man which started today in Oz (Dark Horizons is an Australian site). Our movies start on a Thursday, and we're sort of a day ahead of you as well.
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I have more faith in this one than in Iron Man, but I am more of a Hulk fan than an Iron Man fan. Looks good so far in it's about time to get some Norton quality in super hero movies.
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I believe they're called muscle fibers and tendons.Looks like Hulk went on a starvation diet and lowered his bodyfat % a ton.
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Yes, all those things are emo.And yes, Batman is definitely emo.But hey, I like emo every now and then.
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... but I came here to post a really strong opinion about it.
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He has never written anything beyond mediocre. This will thus be mediocre. Get ready for it. Even the best director in the world can only make a bad script mildly tolerable. It all comes down to the screenplay.
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pretty rudimentary. I mean it was just edits of bits of the movie, no real flow or rhythm to it.
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But the CGI will eventually kill anything good that happens during those actors scenes.It looks absolutely boring and wouldn't look out of place if you replaced the hulk with a 10ft Jar Jar Binks. Unless The Hulks CGI is believable on screen then what's the point? Kind of like creating The Hobbit with a sock puppet playing Smaug.
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"I'd like to punch your eyes out with a high powered hose, then strip the skin from your skulls and roll your heads in salt." You're a genius Q. To everyone else- don't make him angry (well angrier), you wouldn't like him when he's angry. You're still a bit unfocused though.
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DEFINE HULK AS PERSON just because I like it.
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I dunno.
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HULK SMASH PUNY TYLER DURDEN
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May 01, 2008 5:57:48 AM CDT
Yet more patsies who think Lees Hulk is "intellectual"
by industrykiller!
So nowadays ham handed bullshit psychology 101 slapped into a movie with no depth or exploration passes for intellectual? And I don't say that because I thought it was boring, I say it because it was poorly executed and sloppily slapped together to fool simpletons. The worst kind of action film posing as art. And apparently having fucking comic book panel interstitials between scenes isn't at all a silly and cynical wink to the audience but is in fact "slavish devotion to the comic book form". My God what kind of kool aid must you be drinking to let such a transparent film fool you into thinking that?
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I don´t care about the puto Hulk, but those guys are fine actors.
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When i was eating me dinner i said "I FUCKING HATE CARROTS" and threw the plate across the room.
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If he spoke? I think whoever (or whatever) they used it just wouldn't work, people would laugh. The new Indy trailer confirms which movie's gonna slaughter its summer competition by the way. That movie looks GREAT!
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The Hulk turned up. Seriously, this trailer marked the first time this film had any interest for me beyond Oh, Edward Norton interesting. It looks very Bourne series to begin with but then the Hulk is shown and it's right back to the effects suck ass problem. They are just not getting over that hurdle.
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Dark Knight is going to slay. indy trailer didn't do much.
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another awe-inspiring group of words that, put together, shake the very heavens....You're like the fucking Hulk on roids....
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the essence of the Hulk, nay, the essence of internal turmoil for humanity. And it made me laugh out loud, so bravo.
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But I'm rooting more for Indy than TDK. I'm rooting for it too but wasn't crazy about the first one (they screwed up the villain & the ending IMO). I was rooting for this new Hulk too but now I just hope it's not *too* embarrasing..
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ZZzzzzzzz.....
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a giant asparagus
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Not great, maybe, and it didn't grab me like the Iron Man trailers did (it's out today!), but it looks like an entertaining load of old nonsense, which is exactly what I'm after with this one. Also, blimey, Liv Tyler is looking damned beautiful, so that's a little bonus right there.P.S. You people picking CGI apart are ruining films for yourselves. It's here to stay as a film-making tool and it is rarely going to be perfect. Thank the gods there was no outlet for your finicky whinging back when event films were stuffed full of stop-motion, rubber suits and bad blue screen shots. The whining would have been never-ending!
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It looked better, it moved better, it was more vibrant and exciting, the editing was better, etc. This flick just looks moronic and ugly (in other words, painfully faithful to the comic books). It's a shame, because Norton is a terrific actor and this is a complete waste of his talent.
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...Puny Banner real name Breux Bannaire. When French people get mad, they demolish and burn lots of cars. Since Hulk French, Hulk get mad and demolish cars too! Stupid cars! Hulk smash! Or, Hulk should say, "Hulk endommage!"
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That new trailer put me over the edge. Harrison looks like he is TOTALLY back in character and the action pieces (especially the jungle scene) look to rival the others in the series. INDY IS BACK PEOPLE!
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after Crusade returned to desert locales, I got tired of looking at sand. Indy's "costume" looks great against lush verdent green jungle foliage.
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Everyone's talking about how this movie is loyal to the original tv series, blah blah blah... But the original tv series had the Hulk dying by falling out of a helicopter. And what does Norton do? He jumps out of a helicopter! Way to go for continuity there!
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if they keep improving CGI like this then a live Superman/Doomsday would be sweeet!.....depending on whether the balls up the storyline....which they probably would....*sigh*
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since everyone thinks the hulk trailer is lacking, lets talk about a trailer that ISN'T. the new bootlegged indy trailer! come on people!!!
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I'll go see it now.
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He jumped out of a helicopter. But if you still need an answer, I'll help out as best I can.Obviously, quite some time has passed since the television series, and I believe it is a fair assumption that Mr Hulk has been brushing up on his jumping out of a helicopter skills in the meantime. Chances are, he started by leaping from the roof of his garage into a pile of empty cardboard boxes, possibly with a friend or two standing by (for safety). From there, I suspect he moved up to the high-diving board at his local swimming pool, and then on to some kind of specially rigged bungee contraption. Once he had acclimated to the heights, the rushing sensation of a speedy vertical drop, and the impact of suddenly hitting the ground, I think it's reasonable to suppose he took a series of jumps from a hot air balloon, increasing the height each time, gradually conditioning himself for the real deal: the helicopter jump. You may be interested to know, Rickey, that Olympic helicopter jumpers train using very similar methods, although not while dressed only in large purple shorts.If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
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I'm crying with laughter over here...
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This is how people have developed their jumping out of helicopter skills since the days of ancient Greece and the very first Olympiad in Olympia itself, before even the time of Christ, who never (as far as records suggest) actually jumped out of a helicopter himself. This is a shame, because as the son of God, you have to figure he would have been pretty fucking good at it.
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was written by an eleven year old.
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Fine, you don't care for Ang's Hulk, just like I don't give two shits about Brokeback Mountain.But to call him a Chinaman in a derogatory meaning,just shows your ignorance.
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The new trailer for the Incredible Hulk is out!
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Shit, this is soooooo yesterday.
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On first viewing, this film, the one we've long awaited... seems to have the King Kong element that the first film wasn't.
For me, Hulk has always been Kong. Big heart, human inside, beast outside - and learning to cope. Government oppression and single-mindedness seeing only the outside, and one special person who sees what really matters about a person... (sorry, I'm getting a bit choked up at the parallels with my own life)...
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fuckin awesome. Also they took the rubble fist stuff from the Ultimate Destruction games LOL
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I'll be avoiding this, Indy 4, Iron Man, The Mummy 3, and Hancock.
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It makes me feel like I've watched the movie abridged and there will be no surprises. I'm sure there will, but i hate it when things get presented to me like that.
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Am I the only one who thought that Hulk looked like a zombie on that trailer?
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Not even close. I'm still interested in seeing the film though. I hope it's good.
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in the ultimates comic, they throw Bruce Banner out of a helicopter to save Captain America by him taking on the bad guy, using it as a trigger. get it? maybe you could read some comics no?
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May 01, 2008 10:42:22 AM CDT
Who was expecting this to be good in the first place?
by rickey henderson
Honestly, when you step into a theater to see a movie about some dude who turns green and smashes things, what right do you have to expect something phenomenal? Not to say that all Hulk comic plots are necessarily stupid (Rickey's never read em) because some of them might be decent... who knows? But honestly, how is having an evil hulk fight a good hulk considered a step up from a gamma-ray zapped daddy and an epic CG scene to solve all our daddy issues? Because this new movie is just a bizzaro episode of Hulk, most folks should expect even LESS than Ang Lee's version. And say what you want about Ang Lee's take, but it did put Ang Lee at the top of the list for cool experimental cinematography bringing comics and movies together in new attractive ways.
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Doesn't Hulk die by getting tossed from a helicopter in the tv series? That's what Rickey was referring to... And that's what this movie is claiming to be most loyal to: the television show. So Rickey's point still stands. And no, reading the Hulk funny books doesn't really interest Rickey. Rickey was more of a Batman fan growing up. Futhermore, Messi: YOUR MOTHER IS A LADY OF THE EVENING.
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Lee's film was exactly what it meant to be, Jekyll and Hyde. Hulk in the comics is Jekyll and Hyde. Different interpretations, but there it is (obviously the comics have moved on but...).
Don't strain the metaphors too far buddy.
Parallels with your own life? Are you one of those famous typing monkeys we've heard so much about? And just when ARE we getting that draft, BTW? -
Well I sure hope you didn't watch any of the Iron Man trailers then. I'm sure sorry I saw 'em all in retrospect!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "Paralells with my own life"- do you often turn green when angry?
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Batman Returns wasn't a direct sequel to Batman 89. It continued the story, but was very different stylistically than its more conventional predecessor. I think that's the pattern the Hulk series is following.
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what the? I also loved the warning about the film featuring depictions of tobacco consumption. god, our society sucks that we have to prepare people for the horror of seeing someone else smoking. IN A MOVIE.
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Why is it that when a new movie comes out, people here suddenly become professional filmmakers? Get over it! The special effects look perfectly fine to me. By now you people should know that the compression made to digital trailers posted on the internet cause the CGI to separate itself slightly from the rest of the images. On the big screen, it'll look fine. Some of you people are a bunch of prima donna whiners. Good job Marvel! Looks good!!
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Listen to Tim Burton's commentaries on the Batman Returns DVD. One of the reasons Sam Hamm's "Batman II" script was rejected was that it read too much like a direct continuation to Batman '89. Burton wanted to step away from the first film and do a completely different Batman film - his way. Both films, when compared, are significantly different to each other in tone. You obviously know very little about Batman.
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Do you wear purple pants too?
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who wears purple pants. BeyondStatic is so much more liek the Hulk than any of us will ever know. A big green guy who roams the world alone, with only one special person seeing him for the truly great person he is inside. That said, I suppose the Joker could be a psychopathic version of the Hulk - only Joker remains "Mr. Hyde" whereas Hulk goes back and forth between "Jekyll and Hyde". BeyondStatic, here's to you, you complex Hulk of a guy!
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goddamnit
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In Hamm's original "Batman II" script, Penguin joined forces with Catwoman to uncover these golden cat statues, which pinpointed some treasure buried beneath the Batcave. It was an okay screenplay, but just not as awe-inspiring and memorable as Walter's Batman Returns screenplay. Hamm's script also retained the Vicki Vale character. Anyway, what I'm saying is that this new Hulk movie may follow in a similar pattern. It's a sequel but a very different sequel stylistically from the Lee film.
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May 01, 2008 11:57:13 AM CDT
Batman Returns has an entirely different tone? Um, no, not reall
by finky089
Is it more "Burtonesque" with "goth clowns" and stuff? Yeah. But, Dickblood up there makes a very valid point that it's pretty much the same cast, same director, same composer - it IS about as direct a sequel as you can get. They don't retell the origin, either. Now, compare Returns to Schumacher's two films and you'll see movies that could areguably be "not direct sequels". THOSE are very different in tone. Different everyone involved. But, even those film are still "direct sequels" to Burton's films in a way. They're just stylisitically very different (and much worse).
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in alot of way,s this new one seems like a reboot, except that they aren't retelling his "origin".
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I really was hoping that they would go that route of more the show then another bad remake of the prevous movie
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May 01, 2008 12:15:19 PM CDT
"The part where Hulk kicks Tim Roth into the next county trigger
by axelfoley
You know what's been bothering me Lord HeeHaw? How you nonchalantly, carelessly write a spoiler in the movie, you stupid asshole....... -
seriosly your humour is just lame, and you are one of the more pathetic talkbackers in a while. Please shut the fuck up and read some comics. Just because something says it pertains mainly to a specific source doesn't mean it abides by those rules. Batman Begins doesn't just adhere to The Long Halloween. And don't be so narrow minded as to think it's just a big green guy smashing shit, you sound like one of those asses who thinks that comic books are still for kids. Wake the fuck up cunt.
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"Please shut the fuck up and read some comics." Yeah dude, well the exact opposite could be said about you. Not sure what you think is funny or relevant, but it sure as hell isn't the use of the world "cunt." Oh, dude! You said it! Rickey is gonna be like, super-duper stung by that. DAAAMN! What is off limits for you, messi? Keep fighting the good fight.
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...CGI dinos look great because neither you nor anyone else in the audience has actually ever seen a living, breathing dino... all you've seen is those stop-motion rubber models chasing after Raquel Welch on TV at 2AM in the morning when you've got a head full of the gack. The CGI, looks great in comparison. With the Hulk, though, it looks shitty because you've seen a man, you've seen musclebound men, you've even seen a green musclebound man on the old Hulk TV show. No matter how good the animators are, they still haven't been able to mimic real-life human beings, even green ones. Gollum was a different story because he wasn't so much supposed to look human as look like a fantasy-world crackhead.
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...because no one's ever seen an ambulatory pile of orange rocks. But noooo... dumb-ass Tim Story had to go with a cut-rate rubber suit.
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Looked more like the husband from Medium.
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I would think the combination of both CGI and rubber suit is the way to go for something like the Thing.
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don't know how that constitutes a spoiler
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Charlie thinks Rickey is a fucking tool who needs to shut the fuck up. It's been awhile since Charlie has read posts as fucking retarded as Rickey's. "Your mother is a lady of the evening"?!?! Charlie shakes his head. Charlie will go to bed tonight hoping Rickey doesn't actually say that out loud to people because it's just awful. Cunt cunt cunty cunty cunt-bag. Charlie says "fuck you" rickey.
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...There's just no way latex is gonna look like rocks. Imaginde a really crusty, rocktextured Thing who gets bits of stone blasted off of him in a fight. Oh well, it's all water under a bridge until someone wants to "reimagine" those crappy FF movies, I guess.
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The "your mother is a lady of the night" comment is a spoof on the idiot fanboys who quickly resort to inane your mom jokes whenever their cherished comic book franchises such as The Hulk are ridiculed by others for being shallow and unintersting. Thanks for playing though cupcake, Rickey's been hear for years and plans on sticking around for many more. Cheers.
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if they Chuckie was too dense to catch that (which I thought was cleverly put), you're wasting your time.
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I am shocked that it's taken as long as it has for CGI to come full circle both in terms of character animation and compositing in feature films. I'm looking forward to the day we're not distracted by CGI in a movie period, when everything looks consistent, and all this nitpicking comes to an end. The next step in CGI evolution is evident in the form of Davy Jones. Let's hope Avatar sets a new benchmark in effects so all CGI debate comes to an end, and comic book universes (or any universe for that matter) can come to full life. Anyone else feel we are on the cusp of a new cinematic age where not only anything imaginable is possible, but fully-realizable?
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Your post helps to back up an argument I presented in the new Indy 4 trailer TB. People are complaining about how bad the CGI looks there too, but I knew it had something to do with it being viewed in a compressed format vs in a theater on film. On film it does look better. That may sound like I'm refuting my previous post, I'm not. CGI still has yet to come full circle in terms of being totally convincing to the audience, especially in character animation. But until that day is here, yes, too much whining about it already.
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I though youse wuz friends.
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Don't look at Rickey--Messi started it. He came at Rickey like a spider monkey and Rickey was forced to defend himself.
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I get confused by all the different cliques here. Carry on then, but keep those pencils holstered! No eye stabbing on Thursdays.
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For once, CG would have been absolutely the right choice. Or at least a mix of CGI and a suit. A**holes!
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I've said cunt for a long time here and alot of people know that. it's not trying to be funny. i am calling you a cunt.
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beautiful animation that made you believe, should of had those guys handle Hulk.
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and said something about yo mama in another TB. You gonna take that yo?
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Great line. Thanks fer dat. gonna steal it!
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The Thing suit in both FF films was trash. They didn't even try to make it look or appear real. No real sound effects were used to assist the visuals, the suit reveals it self way too many times to be rubber, it's absolutely terrible. There was a character begging to be done in CG and they went the rubber suit route. Here, with hulk, I'd almost go with a rubber suit / cg combo. But I'm cool with what I've seen so far. There's only so much they can do with an 11 foot green man to make him look real. Even if they made him look real, it's still kinda unreal.
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...even more so than Ang Lee's version did.
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Oh yea. Both FF movies were dried white turds. No redeaming qulities what so ever. Anus Lee's Hulk we all know was the inside of a cabies burnt asshole. And for some reason I'm not gettin' what's up with the Incredible Hulk skin either. I won't balst this movie before I see it (like I do many others....hehe) but I really would like it to be entertaining.
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Geez guys, way to pounce on someone just as they show a little sense of vulnerability and trust.
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May 01, 2008 5:53:28 PM CDT
strosmer - This could be the problem with CGI evolution...
by mosquito march
All the people who could be experimenting with the technology and working the bugs out of it are consistently busy doing superhero and action/sci-fi films that require thousands of shots in a short amount of time. It's easy for them to serve up the bare minimum because that's all they have the time for. Someone else mentioned that JURASSIC PARK was in development for 3 years before its release, and had a far more limited number of visual effects sequences. Back then, they didn't have the problem of keeping the multiplexes packed with rushed sequels to big CGI-fests - they could dick around with it and take their time.
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Not every movie has 300 million dollar budget.
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GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I CAN`T GET THESE FUCKING TROUSERS ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In many cases the effect house is chosen as an after thought and on some films they don't even use the same effects house all the way through. So the effects people have almost no contact with the film other than they get to fill in some blue screen holes after the film is shot, rather than actually being an integrated part of the film.
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is that they are used to represent things that are impossible. When you ask the question "What would the Hulk look like in real life", the answer is subjective, so it will be impossible to please everyone with a cgi Hulk, and people will always KNOW that the 8 foot tall green monster is fake, and they will call fake, no matter how well done the animation turns out.
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In the case of this and most other big effects driven pictures, the effects were farmed out to dozens of different effects houses in order to complete the job on time. A lot of the time they will split the tasks into categories (for example, giving the Hulk himself to one house, explosions and rubble to another house, a few scenes done here a few done there, giving matte backgrounds and whatnot to another, eliminating wirework to another, you get the idea.) but at the end of the day the people making these things have to sacrifice consistency to meet a deadline. This is also assuming that you have competent minds planning everything the whole way through, most visual effects artists have to deal with unrealistic demands and poor shot choices that run counter to what they need to make a shot look photorealistic. It's not like it was in the Jurassic Park or T2 days when there was smaller demand and only a few effects pioneers leading the charge consistently. It's not like you have to be a visual or technical master to have big effects showpieces in a film anymore, if Tim Story can do it then pretty much anyone can.
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even then, I'm doubtful he wrote the script. Gave it a rewrite or brush up maybe, but come on, let's not make him out to be Orson Welles. The trailer doesn't do very much for me though. Looks like another movie that descends into CGI thing fighting other CGI thing. Didn't we complain about The Golden Compass doing that? Not Harry? Oh, well SOMEBODY complained, and I know I didn't think it was a good way to go either. Liv Tyler's good, but I seriously miss Jennifer Connelly, and I feel bad because Eric Bana was actually pretty darned good so it sucks that he's been replaced like he was this huge mistake for the franchise (I think that's still Lee himself). And Harry, you LOVED the script for the last version, so you really shouldn't gush over the script to this one like that really makes a difference in the end, ya know? I actually think Ang Lee's Hulk looked better at this stage when it was all ads--though I think I must not be much of a Hulk fan at all because neither movie has gotten me excited much at any stage of the production and so far the only version of Hulk that I liked was the first season of the 90s cartoon show that felt like an animated version of the Fugitive set in the 90s animated Marvel cartoon world (with the 90s Spider-Man and X-Men series). And that I haven't seen since it first aired, so God knows how badly it's aged by now. Anyway, whatever my point was, I'm sure it had to do with only really looking forward to this because of Ed Norton, who is usually good even in the dull movies he's been in (I'm looking at you, Painted Veil).
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but I understand that you can't possibly help from being a diseased insipid twat. It's your nature to be a cunt. But I'm glad you agree that the cgi sucks because god knows without you agreeing with me I'd be all torn up inside. Here's an idea. The next time you want to talk don't. Just keep your head in your toilet sniffing your own shit. you're life is perfect right there you wet dripping queefer.
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Thanks for your insights on the CGI debate. I'm very interested in how the CGI evolution pans out and how it will affect comic book movies stylistically. CGI must reach a point where it can only get cheaper and cheaper to produce, right? Won't Avatar be the benchmark that results in a special effects plateau from which production of shots can only get more economical?I just got back from Iron Man. There's definitely things brewing at Marvel Studios. They're not thinking of comic book movies, they're thinking of comic books as movies. How better to introduce new characters and accomplish crossovers? Or will it always be too much money to put the Marvel universe on film?
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...when the Hulk wasn't on screen, I found myself getting bored and wanting to see the Hulk. (Is there any drama left in this overly familiar storyline?) But when the Hulk *was* on screen, my instinctive reaction was, "that looks like plastic-y crap!"The anatomy looks bad, like an old He-Man figure brought to life.There's just something about weight and motion that the CGI designers aren't getting. I have a feeling that the animators are trying to cram too much into the figure--too many shapes, all kinds of details and miniature movements--because if you look at a real human moving, it's a bit plain, in some ways, but CGI always has to get crammed with unnecessary stuff. Instead of making a 3-D version of an action figure, they should focus on the nuances of real human movement. Ang Lee's Hulk was closer--this seems like a step back to me, visually.Hope it's good, but I'm a longtime Marvel fan and I won't be seeing it. (Sign me up for Iron Man, though.)
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His face looks similar to the creatures in I Am Legend, when he yells -- too much stretchy movement in various places.
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how boringly predictable. "You're" life eh "Poetic"? Sigh, the irony...
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and embarrassed about the public/obvious ILM/R&H mistake you made (and didn't admit). There there...
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Again, we are not your disciples. We thought that you were the messenger of the almighty 2for2true. Alas, you are not. Your rage is unfocused and should be directed at shitheels and infidels. I believe I have mentioned this before. Focus Queefer, focus. You have much work ahead of you in the name of the church of chang.
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It was one of the three demands he made before he signed on. Zak penn wrote the thing. But when Norton Finally came on board. He binned Penns script completely. And re-wrote it from scratch or so I have heard. his other demands were that have full access to the editing suite and have control over the final cut. Universal showed him that in jan and he went mad. and a war broke out between universal, Norton and Marvel. Things have calmed but I doubt universal will want to make another Hulk film with him again. I saw this trailer with In bruges in dublin. there could be a new one. who knows? and doomsday by neil marshal looks awful. couple of good looking shots by but otherwise it looks like a rip off of Resident Evil, Mad Max, the Warriors. The person I was with looked at the trailers and said I have no wish to see any of those.
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chronicler of insanity. I'm not following someone so obviously unhinged.
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Ang Lee's Hulk deserves to be the subject of the next Cinematic Titanic release. This movie MUST rock. What is the fucking point of doing it twice and screwing up again? Failure is not an option!
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Any money this is gonna blow. Apart from Ed Norton, exactly where is the potential coming from here? Hurt, Tyler and Roth are only ever good in glorified cameos these days (which is all Tyler's ever been good for). I could crap better films out of my ass than Leterrier has made - the fact that all he talks about is a 20+ minute long fight between monsters that looks yawntastic even in the trailer is pretty telling with regard to the quality of the rest of the movie. Plus it doesn't help that the Hulk simply isn't ripe for the movie treatment - you can either go the Ang Lee route and make a quality movie that manages to alienate all who see it, or do what they're doing here and make some bullshit cgi-fest that everyone with more than two braincells together will hate. Where X-Men, Spider-Man then X-Men 2, reinvigorated comic book movies, this could well be the third after Superman Returns and Spider-Man 3 that kills them off again. Thank the geek lord for Christopher Nolan and Jon Favreau then.
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Or is it sorta like someone in blackface?
On a similar note (and a weird segue), I wonder if it drives Non-Americans (not just the French) batshit-crazy when they keep mangling "Notre Dame" [nɔtʀə dam] like that? -
Look, I liked Ang Lee's Hulk, but I didn't LIKE it. Kinda like an ex-girlfriend. We had some good times, but overall, it left me feeling sad. Enough with the comparisons! The Hulk is my favoritest Marvel fictional-type person. All one should expect of this movie is to be entertained and, yeah, maybe even feel a little somethin'-somethin' (not just your girlfriend's breast). I don't think it's even wise to speculate about Ed Norton's performance at this point. To my knowledge he's never attempted anything like this before. Oh, yeah, he's played unassumming guys with dark sides before, but this will be something of an experiment: Whether a guy known primarily for serious dramas can hold down a big action sci-fi/ fantasy movie or not. The single greatest factor hurting this film are the gaytards who are too stubborn to let go of their hardons for the first movie. I believe this trailer presented the production quite well. By all means, exercise your right to say there hasn't been an original idea since the last dirty, hairy French porn you watched 15 years ago, and make your oh so witty references to the Bourne movies. But you're going on endlessly about about the sfx rendering of an imaginary creature. Really?? The ass-pimples whining about the cgi are getting desperate now. Some of you movie insiders who are plucking at leaked scripts and the reports of the typical pains in the ass that go along with producing a movie are pa-thet-ic. On the positive side: This is the liveliest Talkback I've seen in a while- Some of you had me lol-ing my ass off! Maybe this won't acquire the level acceptance that the Spider-Man and X-Men franchises did, but the Hulk has always been about being an outsider. A have a few braincells that survived my days in college, and see a lot to like in the movie, even for non-Hulkamaniacs.
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May 02, 2008 12:01:59 PM CDT
The good old fanboy CG bitchfest - the debate will NEVER end
by half vader
Here we go again (my turn)...
Tell you what. why don't you whinging guys go and actually find out how they do it, how vendors are chosen (and Acappellaman, it might be illuminating to find out that 'compression' has no idea of the difference between a cgi character and other imagery - as far as it 'knows', everything is different coloured pixels and by extension, numbers. Bad comping is something else) and what is ACTUALLY involved, rather than all this supposition posing as fact. I know it's just a talkback, but for Christ's sake you guys aren't treating it like what it is - an amateur (amateur meaning you don't do it for a crust, not that you're stupid or inept which is how it's usually used) guessing game.
Nine times out of ten you mistake movement for look, grading for rendering, iconic shot design and editing for performance, and a feeling of superiority for being a whiney little bitch. You do get to call people cunts though I guess. And I guess I'm part of that 'you', sort of.
Then there's the whole problem of no-one defining the specifics when they say 'real'. Yeah original Yoda looked "real" - if you're talking about a bunch of rubber that was physically there. Did he MOVE "real"? Nope. His arse was stuck to the spot like a Palahniuk story. Was his body language or facial movement 'real'? Nope. Look at the so-called lip-sync. Ba-ba-ma-ma-ma. See what I'm getting at? And note I'm not saying that Frank Oz is not a genius and it was a great, great performance aided by some of the best character design ever. Especially considering Oz has one hand tied behind his back figuratively and the other up a latex arse literally. So in the end was puppet Yoda convincing as 'real'? Fuck no. CG Yoda? Hell NO. COULD he EVER be 'real' with some far-flung Jetson technology? No.
Maybe with some future Phil K. Dick psycho drug that tricks your brain's 'reality' response though. That's the only way I can think of. And I want a piece of that cyberpharmaceutical action.
INWO, that last post was actually great, even if slightly redundant (it applies to say animatronics too). And it made up for the previous post too. Same thing with Kid Z's Dubliner/dino post.
And Kid you rule us all with your astute "fantasy-world crackhead" observation! Interesting how many 'experts' here never noticed his unmoving hair in windy action scenes. Did it matter? Nope.
Great post Gwai Lo, and don't forget JP uses every 'cover-up' trick in the book: rain, night etc. Why folks here keep putting it up against current stuff saying it 'looks' better and is more 'convincing' than anything since is beyond me, except that it reveals they're relying on idealised memory rather than an apples-to-apples comparison.
The debate will NEVER be over. CG OR animatronics or whatever new OR old technique will NEVER be completely convincing as long as imagination keeps pushing things further from everyday life, or presenting us with a visual and psychological improbability that confronts implicitly known experience through its very conception. You'll be slamming cool shit 'til doomsday, fellas. God forbid I should even START on directors and emotional logic vs actual logic.
And the reason we go see THESE sort of movies - being that we're drawn to them because they're INHERENTLY not something that could happen to us. SUSPENSION of disbelief is inextricably tied to it. You're attracted to it but repelled by it at the same time. No wonder you're all so conflicted. Geez! -
Brilliant way of putting it out there. That's what I'm talking about. Y'know, we're all "geeks", I suppose, else we wouldn't be here. But some 'o you are hard core spazzdicks. Honestly, you'd think a movie about some neb who turns into a giant poster child for anger management would be of immense interest to you.
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First Transformers now the Hulk, Smashing Pumpkins features in both - cool
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That first trailer made me laugh my ass off. My ass is on the floor... I am assless. Seriously, how can it be any good with Liv "Wanna Buy A Douch?" Tyler as the female lead?
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Navan. Navan is now part of dublin. I only remember the tv show. Same goes for wonder woman. When I moved houses. The first thing that Sky one showed was The Hulk. and Cheggers's Star search. and they repeated wonder Woman. But I remember watching the tv as a young kid in CastleKnock. Was the hulk popular, I cant say. It was shown a lot on tv. as an import.
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On my computer, everyone's skin tones looked blue. Did the director go crazy with a blue filter, or is there something wrong with my computer?
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OK, a re-download fixed the blue color, but the trailer still looks like crap. The mouth-breathers who didn't like the first one are going to eat this up.
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Um CeeJayNightwing, your completely wrong on that. A scene in Iron Man's TV spot for the Superbowl raised all these concerns and then was not only fixed before the movie came out but was fixed before the next trailer came out. And I for one (having seen it twice) can say the final product looks near perfect.
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And the GODZILLA remake? The Hulk may as well slip on a hula skirt for his next gig: a weekly pineapple-eating contest on a cheap (cable) reality show. Hulk gotta eat.
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probably but right at the end between the title and the shot of the hulk holding to big pieces of metal you hear like a three note orchestral piece of the tv show theme.....nice.
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What the fuck is this doing here?
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