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Moriarty Is Stunned By IRON MAN’s Impact!

Published at: April 29, 2008, 4:40 a.m. CST by Moriarty

Hey, everyone. “Moriarty” here. Oh, Favs, you did it this time. IRON MAN is grown-up fun, a rare thing these days. It’s escapism, no doubt about it, and it’s light as air for most of its running time, even with a surprisingly high body count and a rough-and-tumble aesthetic. This is not, however, a kid’s movie, and that is such a welcome discovery that IRON MAN seems even greater than it would if it were just another kid-friendly superhero film. Marvel Studios makes a hell of a debut with this film, and if they can put together creative teams that take their characters this seriously each and every time they make a film, then they could very well eclipse the work they did with the other major studios, proving that they were right to step back and take control of their own properties once again. From the opening frames of the film, IRON MAN is confident, cocky, and slick, just like Tony Stark. And, yes, everything you’ve heard about the casting of Robert Downey Jr. is true. It’s an insanely good fit between actor and character, and right away, he’s making you laugh and he’s suggesting such a great history for Tony with every line, and as the opening sequence plays out, you get it all quickly. By the time the actual title appears onscreen, you will be sure that you’re not seeing “just another superhero film.” I can’t think of a single one that starts like this, or that sets a tone like this right away. It’s not James Bond. It’s not ROBOCOP or THE ROCKETEER. It’s not SPIDER-MAN or BATMAN BEGINS. But it’s certainly got elements of all them, digested and then organically reconstituted into something fresh. IRON MAN has its own vibe, and that’s what I responded to the most. This is a movie with a pulse. It may be “summer product,” but it’s far more than that, too. It’s pop art writ large, populated with great actors who all understand exactly what they’re doing. And Favreau, who has been growing with each film as a director, has finally put it all together here. If you wondered whether he was really a comic geek or if he’s just doing this because it’s a blockbuster, you’ll know the answer by the end of the film. This is a film born of pure geek love, and that’s why it works. Some people are complaining that this is an origin story. That’s sort of true, but it’s not an “origin” the way we’re used to seeing them. There’s no mystical accident. There’s no prophecy about Tony being the chosen one. There’s no magic powers given to him by outside forces. This is just the moment where Tony Stark grows a conscience and decides to contribute something to the world instead of just taking from it. Although he’s brilliant, he is a man of inherited wealth and power, and what we see here is the event that leads him to define himself instead of just playing the role he was born into. Robert Downey Jr. has had a fascinating career, defined as much by what he’s done off-screen as on, and there’s something intoxicating about seeing him step up and become the MOVIE STAR that he’s always had the potential to be. He gives Stark a soul, and even at his most glib, there’s a grounded reality to what he does that makes us believe in this world. He’s helped by Terrence Howard as Jim Rhodes, the liason between the Pentagon and Stark Industries, and by Pepper Potts, his personal assistant played with wit and glamour by Gwenyth Paltrow, who looks like she walked out of a ‘40s romantic comedy. He believes that Obidiah Stane is also helping him, and Jeff Bridges embraces this bad-guy role, seeming to delight in every terrible thing the film allows him to do. It’s no big secret to say that Stane is the bad guy of the film, but the way the film’s structured, he doesn’t start off as the obvious villain. Instead, Bridges brings his A-game to the film as well, and as a result, both Stark and Stane are given more depth than you’d expect. Anyone less substantial than Bridges might not fare as well opposite Downey, but Bridges refuses to get overshadowed here. He can turn on the charm at times, but when he amps up the menace, he’s scary, and he’s one of the reasons I would not bring younger viewers to see the film. Once he finally reveals his true nature, the film starts to play very, very rough, and I think they skirt the fine line between the PG-13 and the R expertly. Clark Gregg also does some great work as Agent Phil Coulson, and I like how his true nature is only gradually revealed, leading to one of the great payoffs in the movie for fans. ILM’s work here, combined with Stan Winston’s work, is just as seamless as when they teamed up for JURASSIC PARK in 1993. There are many sequences where I’m not exactly sure what is what. Could be practical. Could be CGI. Beats me, and frankly, I don’t care. By the end of the film, I believed in IRON MAN. I believed that he could exist in our world. And that he would make it better if he did. Matthew Libatique’s cinematography is rich and colorful, but they’re not trying for a hyperreality like we’ve seen in many of the superhero films. Instead, he gives things a rough-hewn realistic look, very matter-of-fact, and it’s the exact right choice. I wish Hans Zimmer’s score wasn’t so cookie-cutter. We have yet to hear a truly great Marvel hero theme in any of their films. I don’t think SPIDER-MAN or X-MEN or FANTASTIC FOUR or HULK or DAREDEVIL or even BLADE had a theme that really stands out the way the 1978 SUPERMAN theme did or the way the Burton BATMAN theme did. That’s a shame, because in every other way, this is an iconic movie. Mark Fergus & Hawk Ostby and Art Marcum & Matt Holloway have done a tremendous job distilling decades worth of comic characters and storylines into an original piece that manages to pay tribute to many different eras of Iron Man storytelling without feeling the need to “shake it up.” Instead, they’ve cherry-picked the best stuff, carefully putting it all together in a way that should please almost every fan, while never once drowning the film in complicated continuity that would keep a new viewer at arm’s length. Yes, there are some great nods to comic history, and yes, there are some very sly suggestions about what to expect from future installments in this series (and there will be many, many more... you can be sure of that), but even if you’ve never read anything with Iron Man in it, those moments will play for you, too, because this film is careful to give you everything you need to enjoy it. I like that the script isn’t about some threat that’s about to blow up the entire world, or some villain who is about to topple the US government, or some giant cosmic threat. Instead, it’s a fairly personal story that boils down to a wrestling match over control of a multi-billion-dollar corporation. Doesn’t sound like the most interesting engine, but keeping it simple means that more energy can be focused on Tony himself and the journey he takes as he figures out what to do with his awesome new invention. It’s a fairly lean adventure, and now, groundwork laid, they’re free to explore the larger world that is only hinted at in this film. I appreciated the fact that Stark doesn’t pull his punches as he deals with the bad guys in this movie. It’s violent and scary at times, and Stark doesn’t have the same sort of white-black moral code as someone like Batman. He has no problem with killing someone who deserves to be killed, and that startled me. When he tears into the organization run by Raza (Faran Tahir), it’s brutal and unapologetic. It’s also one hell of an exciting sequence. In the end, I don’t want to indulge in hyperbole by calling this “perfect” or “flawless” or an “instant classic.” I think it’ll be a word-of-mouth hit all summer long, and for every film that comes out and disappoints, I think that’s another ticket sold to IRON MAN as people go back and show their friends and just watch it again for their own pleasure. And I think it’ll be a movie that sells Blu-Ray players when it’s released later in the year. Whatever the case, I’m satisfied, and it’s nice to feel like a film treats you with respect rather than disdain, especially as the kick-off to what looks like a very fun summer. IRON MAN knocked me flat tonight... and I loved it. Thanks, Marvel. Keep it up.


Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles

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  • April 29, 2008, 4:41 a.m. CST

    First again!!

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    twice in 1 night!! Can't wait to see this.

  • April 29, 2008, 4:45 a.m. CST

    I don't go to the cinema often...

    by UltraMeerkat

    but I think I will for this film. Any news of an IMAX release anyone?

  • April 29, 2008, 4:45 a.m. CST

    UltraMeerkat...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... nope. IRON MAN won't be IMAX.

  • April 29, 2008, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Superman 1978 theme

    by kwisatzhaderach

    untouchable

  • April 29, 2008, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Summer starts here

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Iron Man, Indiana Jones, The Happening, Dark Knight, X-Files 2 - can't wait.

  • April 29, 2008, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Awesome.

    by TattooedBillionaire

    As always, great review, Moriarty! I didn't think it was possible, but I want to see this more now. I'm sad to hear the score is a bit on the generic side.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Favreau rules

    by spud mcspud

    You could see a great action director waiting to break out in ZATHURA too. That film was WAY more fun than I expected, and I know IRON MAN will be too.<P> Downey Jr - great to have you back! Loved KKBB, by the way ;D

  • April 29, 2008, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Kwisatzhaderach

    by Lost Jarv

    You're Scottish aren't you? are you really that excited for this? <P>I'm stumped/ mystified and I'm geekier than the average bear.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:15 a.m. CST

    same to you spud

    by Lost Jarv

    my tubural friend- You live in the north of England. Iron man just doesn't have the same cachet over here. <P>But as I said elsewhere, what the fuck do I know,

  • April 29, 2008, 5:38 a.m. CST

    "I don’t want to indulge in hyperbole..."

    by Ben_Gazzara

    It wouldn't be AICN if you didn't. I'm sure this film is great and I'll be seeing it this weekend, but this review reeks of one more where you jokers dance around it and scream its praises to high heaven, and when the dust settles and people start to criticize it you'll be saying things like, "The reason Iron Man didn't quite work is..."

  • April 29, 2008, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Ben_Gazarra has a point

    by IndustryKiller!

    Far be it for me to criticize Iron Man yet, because I really couldn't be more excited. But too often does the hyperbole reach a critical mass only for the very same people who liked it to come to their senses. Look at Transformers for god sake. Star Wars Episode 3, which at the time this site praised to high heaven and is now widely seen as a joke. Cloverfield is certainly on its way there. This one looks like it could be different though.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:50 a.m. CST

    IRON MAN, IRON MAN, DOES WHATEVER AN IRON CAN!

    by LaserPants

    Cool! Pretty much everything I've heard has been very positive. This isn't another FF (or any of the other half-assed Marvel train-wrecks we've seen lately), its actually a good movie. Maybe the one that replaces the Spider-Man franchise in terms of popularity.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:53 a.m. CST

    ben and industry....

    by slappy jones

    there is going to be a massive backlash against Iron Man because it is fucking fantastic. It will cross over to a massive audience and be a huge hit not because of hype or anything other than the fact it is a truly fantastic film. So there will be a huge bakclash and people will come here and post about how bad it actually is and what film is better and that fav's is a terrible director. Cool guy wannabe miserable mother fuckers whop cannot let themselves enjoy films the masses like will turn on this film very quickly but fuck them. Its a great film and I believe the rest of the films this summer will have to be pretty special to beat it for quality.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:59 a.m. CST

    ROTS

    by Chilli815

    The hype on that was ridiculous. To me it was just plain bad from the first second on. Iron Man... my only expectation is a competent flick.

  • April 29, 2008, 6 a.m. CST

    TomBodet

    by Ben_Gazzara

    Don't forget Harry's glowing review of The Phantom Menace, then. He loved Jar-Jar, Jake Lloyd was great, the film was "a grand adventure", etc.

  • April 29, 2008, 6 a.m. CST

    PLANT

    by BanAllFIRSTPosters

    a tree for Earth Day. It's not too late.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:02 a.m. CST

    slappy jones

    by Ben_Gazzara

    I'm not going to care about any backlash if I personally love the film (and I hope to). I'm just saying Harry & Co continue to kill their last traces of credibility when they write reviews like this, only to get on board with the naysayers later on.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:04 a.m. CST

    COOOOOOOOOL!

    by FILMFUNK

    Time to book the babysitter. Sounds like ILM have made up for the visual abortion that was Transformers.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Perfect Summer Flcik

    by MediaNerd

    Saw IronMan tonight at the chicago preview. Background wise, I grew up with the mutant line of Marvel, but never read I.M. beyond maybe a random issue. I found the movie thoroughly entertaining. There was one or two parts in the middle 2/3 that slowed down a bit and Jeff Bridges was an obvious big baddy from the start, but these slight flaws did not dampen much. This will not be a movie you look back on and study, but it "feels" like a true comic, an fun romp you devour quickly and move on. Everyone left happy. RDjr is brilliant in this film, I've always been a fan, but he truly re-establishes himself in this when realistically he probably could have phoned it in. Instead he makes a statement imo.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Thanks Mori - Great Review.

    by Yeti

    My Friday is now set in stone (not that there really was ever much doubt)

  • April 29, 2008, 6:23 a.m. CST

    Spot On Review

    by RobFromBackEast

    Beautifully put Mori! Iron Man rocked in all the right places and should be the biggest film of the summer.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:24 a.m. CST

    hm, mori, the score is not hans zimmer's

    by celestamine

    it is by a guy called ramin djawadi. but they're like buddies or something.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST

    I thought MediaNerd was a plant

    by Lost Jarv

    but I've googled him and he isn't. <P>I've got my plant radar set to Supersensitive because of the foilage in the Speed Racer TB's and I'm just waiting for the bastards to show here.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Mori, think it's OK to take my 4 year old?

    by beastie

    I let him watch Spiderman at home, but usually I only take him to Pixar and the like. I am definately not taking him to The Dark Knight, but from the trailers that I've seen, this doesn't look to be much, if any, darker than the first 2 Spiderman flicks. I wouldn't have orginally thought to take him, but I bought him a Slurpee in one of those Iron Man cups, and he's been talking about it ever since.</p><p>Great review, though.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:42 a.m. CST

    who is the poopstick fiddler?

    by doodah

  • April 29, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    regardless of the reviews here...

    by just pillow talk

    I'm psyched for this.<p>But....<p>There's TDK, and then everything else. That new trailer just kicked my ass 83 different ways.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    and shouldn't that be your decision beastie?

    by just pillow talk

  • April 29, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST

    by the way

    {stole this from another site for you guys} How much input did you have going from this film to 'The Incredible Hulk' as Tony Stark in the film? Downey Jr.: Well, big companies have a way of manipulating people and they got you because we're here at the 'Iron Man' print roundtable and you're talking about another property. So they asked me to go a day in a bar with someone or this and that, and I was like, 'Is that what I'm doing? And over here doing a commercial for Audi? Wow. Is that in my contract? It is. I sit on the car? Okay.' Then it was like, 'Ed Norton wants you over here.' I was like, 'Wow. It's like I'm a contract player.'

  • April 29, 2008, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Pillow Talk... I am going to The Dark Knight...

    by beastie

    ... it just looks darker than what I would like to expose my son to at this point. In all honesty, as cool as the trailer for Iron Man looks, I probably wouldn't go if he weren't so excited. I never read the comics, and I just bought a 50" flat screen, so I am a bit more patient for DVD. But my son is freaking out over the toys that he's been seeing, so I want to take him.

  • April 29, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai, when it comes to smaller films, I'll take Harry's wor

    by beastie

    ... but I don't even bother reading his summer movie reviews. He goes nuts over every one. Mori, on the other hand, is pretty steadfast for big-budget flicks, and I'll believe him on this.

  • April 29, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    word of mouth?

    by thinboyslim.

    maybe for those who don't understand the invention known as television

  • April 29, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    insane!

    by Mr_X

    http://tinyurl.com/59gvyz read his review. he's absolute nuts "hulk!"

  • April 29, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Cobra Kai...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... not true. Go back and read my SUPERMAN RETURNS review. You're wrong.

  • April 29, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Gazarra...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... you're wrong, too. Name me three times where my initial review is glowing and beaming and over the moon, and then later, I've started to incessantly nitpick and beat up the film. Name one time. Link me the initial review and the subsequent about-face to appease the readership.

  • April 29, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    When did I get excited about this?

    by ian216a

    When I first heard the words Iron Man, Robert Downey Jr and Jon Favreaux in the same sentence. Knowing that this was going to be the first of Marvel Studio's own productions all the talk of the films building up to The Avengers made a 30-something lifelong comic geek very happy. Glad to see that the general opinion is meeting up to my high expections. Thursday night is gonna be cinema night for me.

  • April 29, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Mori, I ask you because your a father, OK for my 4 year old?

    by beastie

    He's seen Spiderman. That's fine, but Dark Knight looks too dark. I ask you instead of waiting, because I want to take him opening night, so that he feels like one of the guys (going with my friends).

  • April 29, 2008, 7:54 a.m. CST

    "there’s something intoxicating"

    by half vader

    Oh dear Mori. Groooaaaannn. <p> Nice review though. <p> Beastie, you go see it first, and make up your own mind as a responsible parent. Don't be one of those idiots that likes the trailer but ignores the PG13, scars the kid (which you'll only find out in successive weeks as he starts to have nightmares) and then goes "Oh, I guess the rating was there for a reason"...

  • April 29, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    And Beastie...

    by half vader

    You're not actually thinking of making HIm look cool ("one of the guys"), you're thinking about making YOURSELF look cool, both with him, and your mates.

  • April 29, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST

    I'm not thinking of making him look cool.

    by beastie

    That's why I buy him cheap clothes. I think that he would feel cool. Trust me, it's easier and more fun (going for drinks afterwords, smoking), going without him. But he seems much more excited than I do about this.

  • April 29, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Spiderman score is just a slight riff on part of Elfman's

    by half vader

    own Batman score. A good part, but talk about gravy train... <p> The first X-Men score took me by surprise with how awful it was. I do like 'incidental' type themeless scores, not everything has to be Leitmotif, like 7 for example was fantastic. I really liked X-Men 1, but the music sucked the fucking life out of it.

  • April 29, 2008, 8:02 a.m. CST

    But don't get me wrong,

    by beastie

    I still appreciate your holier-than-thou advice.</p><p>I gave an example of what he has seen and enjoys, but if someone says that this is much darker than Spiderman 1 & 2, he won't be going. Also, asking someone elses opinion is not the only research I'm doing before taking him.

  • April 29, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Stan's cameo *spoiler*

    by Irving_Forbush

    According to this, Stan's cameo sounds pretty damn funny... can anyone confirm? http://tinyurl.com/2owu5z

  • April 29, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Anyword oh

    by Series7

    DK's rating? Where are some reviews of the Fall, like there was any doubt that AICN was going to not like this movie.

  • April 29, 2008, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Ha ha Beastie. Cheap clothes.

    by half vader

    Good one, but look cool, feel cool, whatever. That'll last exactly as long as it takes to get to the first bit where his adorable little expression changes and you realise how myopic and short-term your thinking was. I still disagree that you're thinking about him first. He'd still "feel cool" to a have a day out with Dad (if you decide it's right for him after all), and if it's really as good as everyone says then maybe your friends would get a kick out of coming again too with him in tow. <p> I would have taken my boy to Superman Returns (hold off the ironic hypocrite jokes for a second), as it seemed like he'd love it, being a Superman fan and all. But even though yes, it was mostly "Superman lifts things", that one scene where they lay into him with the boots while he's helpless would have upset (not just straight-out scared) him with how surprisingly dark and MEAN it was. It was out of step with most of the movie, but it was there, and would've given him nightmares for ages. As it was, only one of us had nightmares. ;)

  • April 29, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Taking a child to Superman Returns

    by tonagan

    I guess it would be a good warm-up if you wanted to tell the little one that you're not his/her real father. "By the way, you know who else is a bastard?"

  • April 29, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    OZZY IS IRON MAN!

    by Groothewarrior

  • April 29, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    half vader... I actually respect your opinion but,

    by beastie

    I just wish, being that you don't know me, you wouldn't judge my intentions. Actions are up for grabs, but not my intentions. And you do make a good point about how long the feeling will last for him. I have not yet decided if my son is going to this, but we may as well already be at Wall-E. Strangly, he's more excited about this (intended for older audiences) and I'm more excited for that (probably G-rated).

  • April 29, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I beg to differ

    by SpencerTrilby

    but since the AICN reviewers are already sold to this movie, I guess it's wiser to wait for the backlash and subsequent apologies in the next few weeks. When people will come here bitching - and rightfully so - about the scam that was this movie. "Grown-up fun"... Yeah, sure.

  • April 29, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST

    seeing this tomorrow at the Ziegfeld

    by crazyhorse2099

    can't wait

  • April 29, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Yeah Ottman should go back

    by half vader

    and whip a new one up for X1. Like there won't be more DVD releases of that!

  • April 29, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    The "holier than thou" comment says a lot there mate.

    by half vader

    Oh well. Not to mention I don't actually think you read what Mori wrote. You don't already have your answer? Thank-you though for respecting my advice though - I honestly wasn't trying to tell you how to suck eggs. Sorry if it came across that way. It was supposed to be more confusion about you drawing a certain conclusion when all the ADVICE (Mori's) seemed to point exactly the other way. I couldn't figure out how you could be going anyway (from the sound of it) and looking for approval on that JUST IN CASE (sorry no italics on this stupid TB) it was alright. WE're all Dads, and my view seems to be like Mori's - whoa there, don't jump the gun. <p> Your kid is not my kid, fair enough, and I never straight out ridiculed you. Maybe he's your "typical American moviegoer" and is more disturbed by sexuality than violence (note the joke there mate), but you do seem to be looking for excuses for something you've got all planned anyway. You obviously don't want to hear a no despite Mori talking about it being "not, however, a kids' movie" and "one of the reasons I would not bring younger viewers to see the film" and "the film starts to play very, very rough, and I think they skirt the fine line between the PG-13 and the R expertly". Do you need to be beaten over the head a bit more? He answered your question, even if you don't feel special enough for having a personal reply. How am I holier-than-thou for reading the bloody review? I'm not one of those Christian crusaders. <p> Usually I'm on the other side railing against those who patronise kids' intelligence and I'm currently playing with a scene in a movie I'm on that many would have a kneejerk reaction to. So don't give my comments a cursory glance and decide I'm lecturing you, please. All the best, dude.

  • April 29, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Of course I should ask though -

    by half vader

    How old IS your kid?

  • April 29, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Normally I'd Agree With All Your Mori/Harry criticisms

    by The Funketeer

    but I saw it last night and it does indeed rock hard. I think the only thing holding it back this summer is that Iron Man isn't a household name but Mori's right in that word of mouth should help this movie make enough money to justify a sequel and if you know your Iron Man history, you'll catch the hints as to who the next villain will be. This movie was so good, I even liked Gwynth Paltrow's performance.

  • April 29, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    PLANT

    by antoniojvr

    That's right! Robert Plant is touring the US! Go catch a show.

  • April 29, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    half vader... a response.

    by beastie

    OK. I said nice review. I shouldn't have being that I didn't read the whole thing. I was trying to be polite to Moriarty. I tend not to read entire reviews on this site (usually just last paragraph) before I see the movie. The reviewers on this site are too thorough to read before a movie, because they tend to give a lot away. Some of the quotes that you picked out were quite helpful.</p><p>I am not a typical American in what I allow my children to see. They don't watch Saturday morning violence and I don't have much of a problem with sexuallity on screen if no one is objectified. </p><p>See, I'll allow my son to see Spiderman (nothing with scary villains) and not Power Rangers. The majority of Spiderman shows him thinking about his actions, whereas Power Rangers run into any fight available.</p><p>BTW my son is four. I do believe (like most parents do) that he is mature. He doesn't scare easy, and makes sure that people are careful, outside, so as not to kill bugs. Still thinking about taking him, but leaning towards "no", now.

  • April 29, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    "there’s something intoxicating about seeing [Downey]"

    by RenoNevada2000

    Certainly not your best choice of words ever there Mori... ;)

  • April 29, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    I STOPPED READING AT "... IMPACT!"

    by BringingSexyBack

    I can't wait for this damn movie!!! Why the fuck did the Australians get it before America!?!? Fucking bomb the Aussies!!

  • April 29, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Wow I was plant material :)

    by MediaNerd

    Never thought my props in a talkback would be considered shady. Course now i have to google my talkback name to see what insidious stuff shows up. Guess thats what i get for tossing a rview drunk at 4am :)

  • April 29, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Downey is what is selling me on this.

    by fireclown

    The CGI looks great and all that. Frankly, Stan Winston turning in great work is a given. He's been brilliant at everything he's ever done, and that goes back a long, long way. Pre CGI in fact. <p> But crap, Downey looks good as Stark. He has the arrogant snark nailed flat. Stark is a damned good character, and if Downey can keep up what I saw in the teasers, he has a place in nerd cinema secured. And for the sequels, well, we all know he drinks ;).

  • April 29, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    well allow me to retort...

    by doodah

    ahahahaha, therealmoriarity just checked all you clowns into the boards...i love these people who think they can say whatever they want, when they are asked for some facts they start reeling. CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS FLIPPING MOVIE!!!!!

  • April 29, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    beastie - think about this

    by oisin5199

    This film is NOT for kids. In fact, I think this is the most adult Marvel film I've seen yet. Not that anything's objectionable as such, but it's not really a gee whiz comic book world like Spiderman. This is people with weapons torturing and killing. The tone is completely adult. Plus - strippers on a plane. Not snakes. Strippers. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Anyway, I think taking a 4 year old would be a mistake. Wait until Speed Racer.

  • April 29, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Tony Stark is a better character than Iron Man

    by Tacom

    There aren't that many superheroes where the secret identity is more compelling than the super hero one. I'll be seeing the movie for that.

  • April 29, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    A rare time I fully agree with Mori

    by BitterMan23

    It's a fucking great movie all the way through. My only gripe is that there maybe one or two "Tony hasn't figured out his own suit" jokes more than necessary. Otherwise, I really can't see anything to gripe about. Favreau and Downey knocked it out of the park, and replaced Spidey 2 (or X2) as the Marvel movie all the others will aspire to be.

  • April 29, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Iron Man

    by sstlouis

    Went to a preview last night at leicester square and was blown away.Favreau has done a hell of a job, I hope he gets to do the Avengers..

  • April 29, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Yeah, GTA IV is going to kick Iron Man's ass

    by Rickey Henderson

    Just a warning. You folks better hope that word of mouth is kind to this movie.

  • April 29, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Cool

    by Cobbio

    Thanks, Mori. I'm there this weekend.

  • April 29, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Excellent point on Marvel themes....

    by Darth Macchio

    However, while it's not iconic per se...I do love the themes in X3. Powell does great work here and I think the theme stops just shy of iconic. Unfortunately, the movie itself fell a bit flat but was not complete shit despite the Ratt. I think Elfman's work in Spiderman is excellent and has iconic moments but compared to his work on Burton's Batman or Williams' work on the Donner Superman films...you're correct...Marvel has yet to come close to the iconic music of the DC films. Williams isn't always great tho...he did absolutely brilliant work on the first Harry Potter (Diagon alley theme my personal favorite) but (and I know legions of geeks will disagree) I still think "Battle of the Fates" is boring compared to the beauty of the earlier SW themes .

  • April 29, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    I'm glad to see a little ROCKETEER mixed in.

    by Turd Furgusen

    Great review as always Moriarty.<p> I loved Iron Man comics as a kid and I really think you hit the nail on the "shell head". Stark is a unique hero born of very differnt circumstances,even differnt from Bruce Wayne. I never saw him and Tony in the same light.<p> I am a little worried that the music doesn't quite bring the movie up to a "hyperbole" level. I tried the trailer with the initial M2 flight out with a track from the ROCKETEER and it worked much better. This movie obviously needed a "lifting", "soaring" score and it sounds like we get cookie cutter music. That's too bad.<p> Thanks again Drew for the even handed review. I can't wait to geek out on this.

  • April 29, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Do they set up the Armor Wars plotline?

    by fiester

    Cuz that would be pretty cool.

  • April 29, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Great review Mori!

    by elvenblade

    I will be seeing this opening weekend for sure. Just need to tear myself away from GTAIV...

  • April 29, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Nice job Mori

    by Abominable Snowcone

    You're right. We all know it may be "summer product," but movies fail when the makers and studios believe their work is ONLY "summer product" and forget about the story. I'm glad to be reading reviews and learning that I guess Iron Man escapes being IMINO

  • April 29, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    GTA IV will have NO impact on this flick, or any flick.

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    I've read things saying that it might hurt Iron Man's opening. Bullshit. Even if people buy into the overrated hype that is the latest "must-have" videogame, that same audience is not going to ignore a good movie. They can carve out 2 hours of their entire game-playing weekend to check it out.

  • April 29, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    p.s. - RE: GTA IV

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    I love how they're hyping it up saying it will be the biggest entertainment opening of all time, showing that videogames are more ppular than movies. BULLSHIT again. $$ wise yeah, it will open far bigger. Why? Oh, maybe the fact that each $60 game ($90 for SE) means almost 10 times the amount brought in by a $7 ticket (averaging adult and kid prices). Go by units sold versus tickets sold, and you'll see movies are still far FAR more popular than any game.

  • April 29, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Shifty, GTA is a cultural phenomenon, not a game

    by Rickey Henderson

    Rickey's spent an hour with it today and can report that it is immersive and brilliant. And as far as entertainment value goes, a well made $60 game is far superior than standard Hollywood fare. You get more bang for your buck. Rickey aint saying that's what Iron Man is, Rickey's just not all that jazzed for it, that's all.

  • April 29, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Mori I can't speak to how you, personally, have done that

    by IndustryKiller!

    Then again I'm also not going to go crawling through back stories to find out. But it does happen with a fair amount of regularity. I mean come on, look at your review of Transformers, where I think you said something like "resistance is futile". Now maybe you haven't exactly taken that back but it's an inarguably hyperbolic statement. You might say "Well for a good portion of the American public it is true" but on this site there is a fair amount of people who are a bit more savy than your average theatergoer, and I think its beneath you to write your reviews at the lowest common denominator. And lest we remember your review of Episode 3, which I'm rereading now and as it goes on it just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. I doubt you'll admit you went to far with it, but the review itself is completely inaccurate and seems to sustain itself on blind excitement alone. So maybe you aren't exactly the perpetrator of hypocrisy, but you've certainly lent undeserved hype to many projects.

  • April 29, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Mori

    by Ben_Gazzara

    Like IndustryKiller, I may have been wrong in lumping you in with your colleagues, but are you willing to claim that there's NO history of revisionist criticism on AICN? I bet Harry's not the only person among the site's writers who's a little embarrassed about the way he initially claimed Episode One was a brilliant film and worth the wait. You have more intimate knowledge of everyone's track record, so you tell me. PS: I'm really not out to rain on this film's parade -- I'm chomping at the bit to see it.

  • April 29, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    industrykiller

    by slkboxrman

    they hype for transformers was justified, the excitement was justified and when the movie came out it was proven that it wasnt just hype...transformers delivered on all levels for fans that grew up on the original cartoon....to say that ur "more savy" than the "average theatregoer" is essentially calling the people that enjoy movies to enjoy movies, without ripping them to shreads , stupid......take ur SAVY ass with ur big words and get a job u loser...maybe ur too savy to work too....

  • April 29, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    GTAIV, IRON MAN, +new LOST & BSG

    by turketron

    SKEET SKEET MOTHERFUCKING SKEET <p><p> This week rocks.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by xxon

    Is a no talent bitch, writing comments from momma's basement....and when is he going to ever get the courage to tell mamma he likes boys?

  • April 29, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    STAN LEE PLAYS HUGH HEFNER

    by richiejohnston

    And Samuel L Jackson plays Nick Fury

  • April 29, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    industrykiller

    by xxon

    is the love child of dana Carvey, also, You should see his glowing review of Master of disguise, and ishtar

  • April 29, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    industrykiller

    by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi

    Moriarty's right about not doing about faces. Harry, on the other hand, is another story entirely (rave first - when the studios need your review - ask questions later). But Mori has, IMOP, always had integrity. So, he liked ROTJ. So? It was easily the best of the three prequels, and for a Star Wars fan, it was worth geeking out over (especially given the previous two movies). As for Transformers, the quote from his review that best sums it up was "...in the case of TRANSFORMERS, I think Michael Bay has finally found a perfect fit for his sensibilities." I agree. I think Michael Bay is an idiot, but what were you expecting from Transformers? Would you have rather had Ang Lee direct it? It's Transformers, for Chrissakes. Giant fucking robots smashing shit - that's your movie. Tailor made for Bay's sensibilities. Also, Mori copped to still liking Bad Boys II. If there was ever a movie to backpeddle on, that would be one. But no, he still digs it. Go figure. I don't always (obviously) agree with Mori. He recently reviewed some torture porn film about a pregnant woman getting a baby carved out of her stomach (can't remember the title), and I was shocked that he actually liked it (the very sound of it repulsed me). But hey, different strokes... All I'm saying is, if you're gonna criticize AICN, keep track of the players' scorecards. That is all.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    industrykiller-Spoogechild

    by xxon

    Is such sack of shit windbag, suck a nuttless wonder, I can't believe mine eyes!

  • April 29, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Oh, Favs, we're glad they put lemon freshened borax in you

    by lettersoftransit

  • April 29, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    and that you made a decent movie

    by lettersoftransit

  • April 29, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    As a nonfan, my problems with Ironman

    by greenstyle92

    as I've seen from the previews. Mostly two:<br> <br> Iron Man looks very plastic and non realistic. When I see him, it looks like a giant action figure come to life. and 2:<br> <br> The villain of Iron Man looks to be an... evil version of Iron Man. which I think is the laziest way to approach a supervillain. I know it's a trope of the genre on film, with Superman vs. Zod and Wolverine vs. Deathstryke and Spider-man vs Venom, but those were later sequels. But Iron Man starts out that way? And I'm also worried that Incredible Hulk also seems to be putting Hulk against a sort of evil Hulk, so I dunno. I hope these Marvel produced Marvel movies can come up with better ideas for villains.

  • April 29, 2008, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Rickey Henderson is a fucking idiot

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    as shown by speaking of himself in the third person. and oh yeah, rickey - ITS JUST A FUCKIN GAME! get a life.

  • April 29, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    I liked John Powell's X3 score better that Ottman's X2

    by Drath

    But then I otherwise hated X3, and loved X2, so basically X2 has got to be a better score even if it doesn't play as well on its own. I'd still hold up the X3 score as the example of what I'd like from more comic book movie scores, and particularly the Marvel ones, since I have long since given up on ever hearing anything as "iconic" as the Williams Superman or Elfman Batman themes again (and what idiots of WB to stop using the Elfman theme in the Bat franchise--even a reboot didn't confuse anyone into abandoning the Bond theme!). Actually, apart from Spider-Man and X-Men (and depsite their bad threequels the damage of which must somehow be reversed in fourth movies that resurrect all the foolishly killed off characters), none of the Marvel movies have been worth anything until now. I hope they remake Fantastic Four after Hulk. I mean so long as Pixar continues the insanity of not making Incredibles sequels, Marvel might as well copy their formula and make a good FF movie (no, they haven't yet, not ever).

  • April 29, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Hulk villains.

    by fiester

    Hulk actually has a pretty decent roster of baddies they could pick from including: The Leader, MODOK, Absorbing Man, the Gargoyle, and plenty more. Among other things the Ang Lee Abomination (hee hee) fucked up was in making the Nolte father character some weird mingling of The Absorbing Man and ZZZAX. It's nice to see the new film will have The Abomination, but will also set up The Leader and Doc Sampson. <br /><br /> Iron Man is trickier cuz no arch enemies immediately spring to mind. Sure, there's The Mandarin, but he was always pretty limp. Iron Man didn't really have good villains in his solo books until the Armor Wars storylines that had him going to take his tech back from all the various villains that had incorporated it in their armor gear. Iron Man really shines in The Avengers books far more than he does in his solo stuff.

  • April 29, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Too Irony

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Sounds great.

  • April 29, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Marvel scores

    by FraDolcino

    Actually I found the villain themes from the first two spiderman films to be the most "iconic". Think of the Green Goblin's theme at the end of Spidey 2 with Harry discovering his dad's nest. Or the mournfulness (a real word?) of Doc Ock's theme. Unfortunately the others fell kinda flat for me. I still prefer Elfman's Batman over his subsequent work (and although nearly identical, his Darkman score is pretty fun too).

  • April 29, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    The SHIELD running gag

    by Rocklover79

    I saw this thing tonight, and the SHIELD reveal brought the house down. In retrospect, it was so obvious, but I didn't catch it until the end.

  • April 29, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Tombodet and Dolphins

    by IndustryKiller!

    Tom there is a difference between giving ones opinion of a trailer and reviewing an entire film. If The Dark Knight is a letdown I'll be the first to admit it. I certainly did with Batman Begins, which I really didn't like at all. And Dolphins I'm done combating the twin arguments of "ROTS was the best of the prequels!" and "All Transformers needed was giant robots smashing shit." Both arguments have shown to be asinine over and over and over again. I'm not going to keep wasting my time arguing every time someone drudges up the same unsubstantial shit...oh who am I kidding I probably will.

  • April 29, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    libatique was the dp?

    by Toe Jam

    i really wanted to see this movie before, but after reading that, i'm totally psyched.

  • April 30, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST

    is this worth a midnight showing?

    by kungfuhustler84

    I'm so poor but I wanna see it as soon as I can!

  • April 30, 2008, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Jon, you're so money!

    by DarthBakpao

    Just saw it a few hours ago. Great, fun and entertaining. Downey is Tony Stark.

  • April 30, 2008, 3:39 a.m. CST

    why wait til midnight? theyre starting at 8pm

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

  • April 30, 2008, 4:03 a.m. CST

    I think slkboxzerman is heading up my list of most hated

    by Lost Jarv

    users. Seriously, How hard is it to type in complete words and not moron txtspeak? It's idiots like you that are killing the English language.

  • April 30, 2008, 4:05 a.m. CST

    The difference between Mori and the rest of AICN staff

    by Lost Jarv

    is that when he says he loved something he sticks to it- see the poughkeepsie tapes. Mori loved it, the rest of the world hated it, and his attitude has been "Fuck you, I still like it, and I still think it has something". <p>This is totally different from Harry's cimbdowns (which he does with negative as well as positive reviews).

  • April 30, 2008, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Sure, Tom,

    by Lost Jarv

    and I'll find out this weekend as the presence of RDJ has awakened some need to see it in the missus. <P>Myself, I couldn't give a fuck and am not overly chuffed with spending $40 to see something I'm not bothered about. Especially as we finally get DOOMSDAY as well.

  • April 30, 2008, 5:04 a.m. CST

    and Tom-Tom

    by Lost Jarv

    I don't care what you say about Bay's Big Bots (TM) I still think it was dreadful

  • April 30, 2008, 6:22 a.m. CST

    On origin stories

    by Lost Jarv

    Some characters are so established in the public mind that they don't need an origin. Others are marginal and, therefore, do. Iron Man is one of the latter.

  • April 30, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    It's NOT ZIMMER

    by m_prevette

    Didn't you have a EPK or something? Didn't watch the credits? Zimmer didn't score this. Pay attention please.

  • April 30, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Easy there, ShiftyEyedDog...

    by Rickey Henderson

    Rickey's well aware it's only a game, but it's one of the few that elevates the medium to an art. As far as pop culture goes, a well made videogame is just as relevant and fun as a summer popcorn movie. Not sure where the dig about getting a life comes from... have you looked around the AICN boards? It's geek central dude. Besides, Rickey lives a happy life--his vidogaming hobby is just one aspect of it. And you're not getting Rickey to back down: GTA IV is going to put a hell of a dent in Iron Man's opening weekend numbers.

  • April 30, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Favreau said in San Deigo last year it was mostly practical efx

    by riskebiz

    Yep. That's what he said. It was the practical suit pretty much everywhere except when it was flying. Probably it's a bit more than that, but I'm going to assume from that it's practical wherever it could be.

  • April 30, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    saw it in sydney now..suit looks AWESOME

    by couP

    god damn, it is worth watching just to see him fitting into that thing; well done ILM.<br /><br /> I can just imagine a live tekkaman movie being so cool after seeing this.

  • Just saw the movie in Shanghai, China an hour ago. Loved it. Best Comic-Book film since Spider Man 2. They sneaked in the old 60's Iron Man cartoon theme in a couple of spots (Vegas baby). There is some of comic-book continuity porn for Marvel fans (e.g. another big Marvel Industrial Corporation makes a cameo in the film - look at the building backgrounds -during the big fight) Make sure you stay past the credits for the appearance of a certain one-eyed man. Anybody who calls me a liar is a big fat liar.

  • April 30, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    I wasn't expecting it to be good

    by performingmonkey

    All I can say is thank god it is! When I saw the first images of this I geared myself up for YET ANOTHER lame comic book movie, the sort that now seem to be the general trend with even Raimi totally phoning it in with Spides 3. They managed to get the tone exactly right for Iron Man.

  • April 30, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    I don't know crap about Iron Man

    by Sithdan

    I never read an Iron Man comic in my life and know little about the character. So, I'm not really looking forward to this movie. I'll catch it in July when it comes to the dollar cinema.

  • April 30, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Wonder Women theme is untouchable.

    by Diagnostic

    I am so gonna wait till Saturday to see this movie.

  • April 30, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Your Supes Returns review remains the best Mori

    by wilsonfisk89

    Just re-read it, and it was spot on.

  • April 30, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Someone spoil the post credits for me??

    by wilsonfisk89

    Or post a link that does?

  • April 30, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Thanks Moriarty

    by Automaton Overlord

    I pretty much trust your reviews, I think you've only steered me wrong once, that's still 95% trustworthy. I can't wait to see it.

  • April 30, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    mori's vs harry's reviews

    by cloudrider`

    it's funny to me when someone say mori's better because he has integrity. huh??? he just write better than harry does, but what's integrity gotta do with anything? also, just because he can write doesn't mean his taste is unquestionable. read his reviews for daredevil, salton sea, road to perdition, among others. i seem to remember his glowing praises for those mediocre movies.

  • April 30, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    A Nick Fury appearance after the credits?

    by finky089

    is that what is being rumored up there?

  • April 30, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Nick Fury after credits.....?

    by Seph_J

    It would seem someone said that. Although the guy who said it also said he saw the movie in Shanghai. And I'm in China, and it certainly ain't doing the rounds in the cinemas here... yet... if it ever will. <p> So pinch of salt?

  • April 30, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Seph_J

    by mrfan

    A couple of people I have talked to says that Nick Fury does appear after the credits.

  • April 30, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    YES, FURY & A NICE SURPRISE AFTER THE CREDITS

    by DarkCouncilus

    Just FUCKING STAY AFTER THE CREDITS ARE ALL OVER... I watched it Tijuana (Mexico), it opened today and you can go right now!

  • April 30, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    You can't kill Stan Lee in a Marvel movie!!!

    by uppercanuck

    Nice review, Mori. Not to sound like some star fucker, but I always enjoy your reports. 3 more sleeps 'til I see this bad ass flick!

  • April 30, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    I'm the Iron Man

    by dtpena

    that ending kicked my ass

  • April 30, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    @DTPENA - I know!

    by DarkCouncilus

    I know! "aw, fuck it all, I am what I am!"

  • April 30, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    T minus 26 hours

    by j3anluc

    and counting, got my ticket in my sweaty little palm & I'm raring to go!

  • April 30, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    fury

    by ectocriminal

    but does gambit steal stark property?

  • April 30, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    @ Spamster

    by DarkCouncilus

    For really young children you must warm them up, otherwise they'll get distracted fast, the movie's pace is never boring but it's not "shiny" enough in many vital parts to get the kids full attention.

  • April 30, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Seph J

    by Meta

    I don't know where you are in China, but it's at theaters all over Shanghai. It's had an international release since yesterday. Just look online if you don't believe me.

  • May 1, 2008, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Some spoilers

    by RodneyOz

    I just posted over at Harry's review about the issue of 'is there anything post credits' - short answer, YES, stay, you NEED to stay - but as one of those australians who see it before the yanks and apparently need to be bombed (cheers for that), I will spill the Stan Lee cameo (SPOILER). It's at a big benefit function. Stark walks up to an old guy with several busty young babes and says "Hey Hef." The old guy turns... and it's Stan Lee, with this big happy smile on his face. In the end creds BTW he's listed as 'Himself'. Heh! Movie's great too.

  • May 1, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST

    richiejohnston you fucking arsehole, + you 2, dtpena

    by half vader

    Fucking spoiler warning you idiots. <p> Spamster, you don't read Mori's reviews OR other posts, do you? Jesus! Having seen it, I'm still of EXACTLY the same opinion as before.

  • May 1, 2008, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Regarding Kids

    by drew mcweeny

    I'm not taking Toshi to see it. He loves the trailer. He loves the toys. He's crazy for the character. That book I reviewed a month or so ago about the history of IRON MAN? Yeah, that's on Toshi's shelf now. He looooooves it. <P>And it's not even a question. He's not seeing the movie. The filmmakers made some choices about what level of intensity to pitch the film at, and I enjoy it a lot. It's just too much for little kids, though. I think if he were a savvy seven or eight, I'd take him, but no younger.

  • May 1, 2008, 5:07 a.m. CST

    IRON MAN is awesome!

    by Knuckleduster

    I just saw it this morning. It's fuckin great. SPOILER WARNING! SPOILER! I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but if you stick around intil after the credits, you're in for a big surprise. Nick Fury shows up! Nick motherfuckin Fury! Woo-hoo! The Avengers Mission! Brilliant. Can't wait for that. END SPOILER.

  • May 1, 2008, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Oh...

    by Knuckleduster

    Someone beat me to it. Now I don't feel special anymore.

  • May 1, 2008, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Thanks Mori, and a horror/violence recommendation

    by half vader

    My kid is eight, and savvy, but certain things upset him, and the bit in Iron Man where the guy is getting his throat/chest stomped on (which is ironically sorta similar to the Superman Returns bit I mentioned previously) while helpless, with his kids watching is exactly the sort of thing that upsets him, over and above 'thoughtless' gunplay or even blood. He's busting to see the movie and loves the trailers too, but trusts that I know what really upsets him. But that's my kid. And Beastie, that's your (4-year-old) kid. But I think the general pg13 is spot-on, whether there is swearing or blood, or not. It's more mature in its idea of violence and repercussions. <p> Everyone forgets that you don't actually SEE much violence in Reservoir Dogs because it's so intellectually violent. Girls were walking out left right and centre in the session I went to all those years back (and their pissed-off boyfriends had to follow them, ha ha), and that was WAY before we got to the ear bit (which we didn't see). Then there's Seven, and so-on. And people are affected by more than just literal violence. Just sayin, the warnings are there for a reason (the whole MPAA's perversion of the idea and censorship of content thing is not what I'm talking about here)... <p> Mori, have you ever seen "The Boys"? If you thought David Wenham was just that nice guy from Lord of the Rings, you're in for a shock. Forget even "Wolf Creek" - I don't remember there being anything but IMPLIED violence in it, but Jesus Christ. Part of it is that Australians all know that it's the horrendous leadup to the infamous real-life Anita Cobby murder where a gang of guys pack-raped a nurse in a field and kept raping every orifice - eyesockets (yes I know plenty of TB, everything, even after cutting her neck to the almost-severed spine. Yes, it's still really horrible if you don't know that, but it works even 'better' if you do, and was definitely made with that in mind, and is a 'based on' movie without actually showing what it is based-on. Might be interesting to you from a technique point-of-view. Just the tension of real-life domestic violence that runs through it... Whew.

  • May 1, 2008, 6 a.m. CST

    P.S. to Beastie

    by half vader

    I think one of the reasons I may have been (over)zealously agreeing with Mori was that maybe, in the back of my mind, I was remembering Irreversible. <p> There were ratings. There were warnings. It was in all the media where I live and on all the posters at the cinema. There was a special warning at the Box-office where you bought your ticket. Even on the door to the cinema/screening room itself there was a final warning about the level of violence. All these recommendations and precautions, and still, this lady went in. <p> We were standing outside waiting for the rain to let up afterward, and she was shaking (not from the cold) and looked like a zombie. It was hard for me to have sympathy for her though, because all I could think was "you were WARNED it might be too strong. A MILLION times, but somehow you still discounted all that? Even as a woman (might have been a mother as she was married)? You were WARNED!" Obviously the example here is awfully over-the-top and of course I'm not saying IM is that harrowing, but maybe that's what was in the back of my head when you asked Mori again after what he'd already said. <p> So just a bit of an explanation, in retrospect.

  • May 1, 2008, 6 a.m. CST

    Hans Zimmer didn't do the score

    by messi

    Ramon Djanwdi did.

  • May 1, 2008, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Actually X-men 2 had an awesome theme

    by messi

    just listen to it. And Zimmer and Newton Howard's Batman score and main theme 'molossus' just absolutely kicks the shit out of Elfman's theme.

  • May 1, 2008, 6:14 a.m. CST

    beastie

    by messi

    you're asking mori for father advice? don't you listen to your own mind? I saw predator, robocop, kickboxer, commando all when i was 4, i have no problems. As long as you tell your kid it's all fantasy.

  • May 1, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST

    except for calling everyone a fucking cunt

    by just pillow talk

    supertalkbacker Messi.... :-)

  • May 1, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    Actually I didn't mind the score

    by half vader

    and Cloudrider, no, they say he has integrity because he doesn't renege on his reviews. Not hard to understand really. <o> Oh and Jarv what's wrong with txtspeak? The internet doesn't count as writing you know.* Because we all still write beautifully worded letters on paper with superb penmanship and post them to each other the old-fashioned way. Our work is done in the same manner. <p> * - Self-fulfilling prophesy.

  • May 1, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    High Price Tag

    by Roboteer

    The only drawback, is these flicks are getting VERY expensive to the point if just one bombs, it could be debilitating. I've read the IM budget is $180 M. With prints and ads that could easily balloon to $250 M. Just from Box Office, it would take at least $400 M WW gross to break even. That's an historic number for the first week of May. The next Hulk total budget could come in at $200 M. Fortunately, this genre has other resources: merchandising, video games, large DVD/cable/PPV that are usually money machines. But believe me, a lot of folks at Marvel are holding their breath now they are holding the bag (especially on HULK 2).

  • May 1, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    There's a Spoiler tag all over this article

    by dtpena

    I thought it was enough

  • May 1, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    roboteer

    by SpawnofAchilles

    if the film costs 250million how does it need 400m to break even? Wouldn't it take ummm 250 million to break even>?

  • May 1, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Roboteer

    by half vader

    I posted here or somewhere around here (all the threads are either IM or turning into IM TBs and I'm getting lost), about how I can't work out how IM can cost that much when Bay made Transformers for 150 - much bigger scope, actors wouldn't have saved 'em money, inflation doesn't cover it. Weird. Not talking about quality (obviously), just 'bang for the buck'.

  • May 1, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Iron Man PWND Spiderman

    by Dr Gregory House

    whilst in the sack during 'Wonder Boys'

  • May 1, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    well, seems like I owe an apology to y'all

    by Seph_J

    .... I just trundled down to my local commie-plex, to see which movies where not being shown, and which ones had NOT been cut to bits, and to my utter SHOCK... there, waiting for me... is an lovely large Iron Man poster... which I proceeded to have put by for me.... and to which I brought myself a ticket. <p> Seems I was wrong about the after credits 'extra'. Rather fuckin' nice. <p> But, thats it... "I'VE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKING COMMIES IN THIS MOTHERFUCKING CINEMA!" <p> How many Chinamen does it take to put a movie in focus.... Answer.... 1.6 billion. One to tell them all what to do, and the rest to do as they are told, not ask questions, and still fuck it up anyway. <p> Fucking good film though. I had issues with it.... but when all comic book films are compared to Elektra, Blade 3, and all that crap, it was a breath of fresh air. <p> So why did they capture Stark AFTER he had just destroyed a jericho missile as a demonstration. If they had hijacked him on his way TO the demonstration, then they could have just stolen the missile, rather than needing him to build another. Like I said, plot holes that only annoying little bastards would pick up on.... <p> Overall opinion, fucking great though.

  • May 1, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Just got back....

    by wildphantom07

    from a 4.30 show in the UK. Was packed! The movie is FANTASTIC. On a par with the first Spidey movie I'd say. and everything you've heard about what's waiting for you after the end credits is TRUE!! I'll anticipate a certain screen grab of a certain character to be online for everyone to see within hours

  • May 1, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    half vader

    by Knuckleduster

    You're right about Transformers. Bay did a hell of a job with the money he had. Made it look like it cost twice as much. Just compare it to Superman Returns. That movie cost $200 million! Where did it all go?

  • May 1, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Oh look...

    by Shermdawg

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=rqaQgLc0vKE

  • May 1, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    haha what happened to free speech...

    by indyit

    am i just seeing things or did my posts just disappear??

  • May 1, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    man i seem to be loving doubleposting

    by indyit

    ok i take back my statement above..just noticed that it was shermdawg repeating himself which threw me off and made me think my posts in harry's review were removed.

  • May 1, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    The Hulk theme was brilliant

    by chien_sale

    Mixing mid-eastern music with the grand operatic blockbuster slant but the problem was that it was wrong for a super-hero movie.

  • May 1, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Knuckleduster - Supes, Shermy

    by half vader

    Well it didn't go on the movie itself. I know, 'cause I was on it. But don't blame me, man. <p> Sherm, that was the Sam Jackson bit was it? It's gone now. I actually thought it diluted the great ending with the hard cut to the credits. Maybe because I'm more on the works-as-a-film side, 'cause the comic guys (I used to do comics, but you know what I mean) have no problem with geeky stuff that doesn't really work as long as it gives them the nerdy payoff. Anyways...

  • May 1, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Blade didnt NEED a great theme, it had great music

    by quantize

    despite what El Toro etc think, the music in the Blade films was abso-fucking-lutely perfect and tasteful...something a lot of these tedious hollywood composers simply dont get in their pompous scores.... Batman Begins was CHOKING on over-scoring all through the beginning, in fact the music was so fucking claustraphobic i was hating the film by the time we got some silence to hear what anyone was saying. There really is an epedemic of over-scoring Hollywood films...horrible instructional feeling music... if its not bloated orchestral over-scoring its wimpy as indie folk music. Everyone go fucking watch Boarding Gate, or better still some quality 70's films and see how LESS music is infinitely MORE. Time for a change in the approach to music.

  • May 2, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Best Superhero Movie Ever

    by Mr. Winston

    That's just my opinion, but I'm sticking to it. I thought it was pretty much perfect. There was not a single moment where I didn't enjoy what was happening onscreen. Especially liked Stark's interaction with the robots in his lab, which I realize is going to earn me a truckload of scorn. <br> <br> MINOR SPOILERS: The only thing I didn't really dig was Stane's "contraption" because there was really no setup for it. And I also wish Favreau would have done something with the Hogan character, but maybe that's forthcoming. Also, Leslie Bibb has about the nicest legs I've ever seen in my life. <br> <br> It was just great. Iron Man I always thought was the coolest LOOKING character in the superhero universe, and it's now official that he's the biggest badass too. God, fuck me, I can't want for the sequel.

  • May 2, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    I have the Nick Fury video

    by GregoryHarbin

    I'll be back in a couple minutes once my YouTube video finishes converting.

  • May 2, 2008, 2 a.m. CST

    This'll probly be gone in a couple minutes, but:

    by GregoryHarbin

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjBiVZ2uoeA

  • May 2, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Whoa

    by odo19

    Thanks Greg.

  • May 2, 2008, 5:33 a.m. CST

    'nuff said

    by Holgi65

    it's realy as good as people say. Might watch it a second time in cinema - which I haven't done in more then a decade - to have the Fury bit...

  • May 2, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    So... some people didn't get the Nick Fury bit?

    by Seph_J

    Seriously? Unlucky. Its only short... but its cool. 'The Avengers' man. <p> Yeh!

  • May 2, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Saw it last night...

    by waitingimpatientlyforingloriousbastards

    ... and it was great! Very smart and funny and doesn't take itself too seriously. To Quote Richard Roeper, "This movie IS Robert Downie Jr." Point of reference, this coming from someone who didn't like Spiderman & X-men, enjoyed Superman, and LOVES Batman. Also, the previews were worth the price of admition!

  • May 2, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    This Movie Worked

    by mrdinky

    ***SPOILERS BELOW*** but if you've read Moriarty's review, then there's nothing new here. <p>I'm not as gushy about the movie as Moriarty, because there are some pretty clear problems with the movie. I think the beginning cut was wholly unnecessary. It's purpose was transparent and insulting. Instead of defraying the action for 10-15 minutes into the movie, someone (or some committee!) decided audiences wouldn't watch it so they came up with a lameass timeshift (flashback) scenario. It bothered me in particular because the "flashback" was funny and interesting, and certainly would have held anyone's attention (you've already seen EVERYTHING in the first 15 minutes if you've seen the series of trailers so if you're in the theater in the first place, that material interests you, does it not?). There was also a pretty noticeable leap from the point where Jeff Bridges goes from close family friend to evil maniacal, cackling villain. I imagine there's a healthy dose of excised material on the deleted scenes section of the dvd for that. finally, I would like to have seen more of tony being a playboy. leslie bibb played one character who gets the tony treatment, but even she reappears and is more than just some girl tony played. it had this feel as if "leslie's too costly an actress to throw away. let's give her a larger role." but of course it's an obvious attempt to keep the movie pg-13. I don't blame anyone for that decision, but just the same, more (quick) tony-as-playboy scenes would have made for a better film rather than going for the common denominator. <p>that's it. those are my problems with the movie. it's a good movie, and it's a REALLY GOOD comics 2 film movie. I pretty much agree with everything else M says about it. I was happy with the obvious "heavy metal" soundtrack. I thought it was loud and ostentatious and perfect for the Iron Man that I know (mostly through 90s cartoons and a couple novels). And I would like to shake Favreau's hand to contradulate him on a well balanced movie that doesn't take a piss all over the integrity of its source material just because it isn't citizen kane (and I'm looking at you, michael raped-my-childhood-bay).

  • May 2, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    8-Minute Preview with Interviews

    by MattCampagna

    There's an 8-minute Preview at YourGeekNews.com that has some interviews with Favreau, Howard and RObert Downey Jr., plus some REALLY sweet scenes from the movie here: http://www.yourgeeknews.com/?p=24

  • May 2, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Parents, Kids, and PG-13

    by TheLastCleric

    I'm curious as to how many parents are going to get burned taking their 7 and 8-year-olds to see TDK this summer. There is nothing in that film that looks even remotely kid-friendly. Iron Man sounds pretty violent as well. People really should pay more attention to those ratings.

  • May 2, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    at least you are doing the right thing spamster..

    by just pillow talk

    screening before potentially taking your kid to see a movie. I'm sure there are tons of parents who do NOT do that.

  • May 2, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    RE: Kids

    by topaz4206

    You know, it's an odd mix of PG-13 violence and intensity, and a central plot line that a 3 year-old could understand. I liked the movie fine, but it just bothers me that these big budget hero movies play it SO safe with the narratives -- even the animated DTV movie "The Invincible Iron Man" had a more daring, intricate plot.

  • May 2, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    WOW

    by Samus Aran

    Jon Favreau was actually able to make a comic book movie that is highly rated, and he didn't even need to make the suit all black and he didn't need to cast it with young poptarts. How did he pull off such a dangerous feat? Michael Bay and Stephen Sommers would have made completely opposite decisions if they had been in charge of this movie. Iron Man actually looks like Iron Man in this Movie- Michael Bay would have commanded his concept artists to change the look beyond identification. I'm paying attention to movies made by Jon Favreau from now on.

  • May 2, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Definitely seeing this. IRON MAN

    by CrichtonAstronut

    DARK Knight and Hellboy II ared my must sees. This Summer, and the Indy flick gotta see that.

  • May 2, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    dark night trailer

    by Jared

    was not attached to my screening. there were about 6 trailers...for some reason the HULK trailer played twice.

  • May 2, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Yeah Pillow, Spamster, Cleric

    by half vader

    Beastie and I went through it about halfway up the thread. I'm not taking my eight year old. <p> He'll watch the pole-dancing bit and then be nagging me to take him when I go to strip clubs. Not good.

  • May 2, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Hey Favs, where's the Stark menage a trois?

    by christian66

    Sure made a point of showing it in the trailer, you sly dawg!

  • May 2, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    DARK KNIGHT TRAILER WAS ATTACHED...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    at the screening I attended, in Bellingham, MA.<p> ...it looks great... espacially on a DLP screen...

  • May 2, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    oh yeah... a cool line from TDK trailer...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...Harvey Dent: "the (K)night is always darkest just before dawn..."

  • May 2, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    ...New trailer for Indy played as well...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...I'll be in attendance for that one... no doubt...

  • May 2, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    wow, Ironman sucked

    by krycek08

    thanks for tricking me again AICN

  • May 2, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Kudos Spamster

    by TheLastCleric

    I respect parents who actually...you know...parent. It's tough and it takes work but at least you keep their young minds away from shit they simply are not ready for. As cliche as it sounds, we need more parents like you out there.

  • May 2, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    94% at Rotten Tomatoes

    by zacdilone

    You can't blame AICN, krycek08, without blaming ALMOST EVERY OTHER CRITIC IN AMERICA.

  • May 2, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Just saw Ironman

    by Dokkalvar

    And I couldn't agree more with the review. Fantastic movie, maybe the best Superhero film yet. I'm glad they let the actors fatten the lines, it made everyone's performance really natural and covered up the fact that the story is fairly typical, but not at all bad. Love the FX and how they lingered on the suit's design and filled the frame with enough mumbo-jumbo to convince you it could actually work. Well done. <P> Also: you can't have professor X without Patrick Stewart, and you can't have Nick Fury without Sam the Man. Thank you for joining up sir, it wouldn't be the same without you.

  • May 2, 2008, 8:01 p.m. CST

    FINALLY, an honest Iron Man review

    by vestaxwax

    http://eattheblinds.blogspot.com/

  • May 2, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Sweet Fucking Christ, People...

    by omarthesnake

    Do we need to see a review of this fucking movie from everyone who ever delived a goddamned package to Harry Knowles' house? The never-ending stream is just obnoxious. Advance screening feedback, OK. Perhaps one or two of the Upper Echelon (Moriarty being number two on the site as far as I'm concerned, so he'd be good in my book if this weren't the twenty-ninth goddamned review of Iron Man) and then Harry The Man Himself. that's it. we don't fucking care what the guy who's supposed to just cover TV thinks of it. we don't fucking care what every incidental dweeb in AICN HQ thinks of it. We just want a few reviews to judge relative to our trust in the reviewers. Sorry to venomize on your review, Mori (I trust your opinions a lot more than Harry, but this IS the big guy's site so he should get final say). you were just the straw that broke the camel's back on this one.

  • May 2, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    it was ok. i think my expectations were too high

    by BMacSmith

    ok but not nearly the best comic movie

  • May 2, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Gotham Knight-- Stane didn't build his suit!

    by ZeroCorpse

    Stane had a Mark I prototype scavenged from the desert that was mostly intact. He also had a TEAM of engineers and scientists building it with all the fabrication equipment that a MAJOR ARMS MANUFACTURER would have on-hand. <p> I heard this critique on RT earlier, and it's pretty lame. Stark was one man working in his workshop, while Stane had all the resources and employees of Stark Industries at his command. OF COURSE HE BUILT THE IRON MONGER FAST! <p> And before any of you crazy nuts starts yapping about how Stane was able to handle piloting the Iron Monger without having used it before, let me point out that the Mark I armor had never been used before when Stark donned it in Afghanistan, either, and he did pretty well. Considering the Iron Monger was essentially a walking tank that Stane rode in, I'm sure Stane had the skills to drive it.

  • May 2, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    BY the way-- Bridges ROCKED as Stane.

    by ZeroCorpse

    I'll miss him in later movies. He was awesome, and his voice over the Iron Monger speaker was very menacing. Bridges knows how to sell a villain.

  • May 2, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST

    What exactly do you think is going to happen

    by I Dunno

    to your kids? Are they going to become serial killers? End up in a padded cell? I saw Jaws when I was 3 for chrissakes.

  • May 2, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Why that was Iron Man was just 'Invincible'

    by the_raftaman

    I can't wait to see that one again, and to all the people that got up and left before the credits rolled 'insert evil laugh' hahahahahahahahahahaha you missed it.Now you gotta see it again, you know you want to. Now all I want to know, is when is the release date for the Blu-Ray release, and when do they get started on Iron Man part Deux.

  • May 2, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    I took my 3 year old to see Iron Man...

    by TheRaven13

    He was lit up during the entire movie. Granted, there was one quasi-sex scene that I quickly covered his eyes for, but it was over pretty quickly. He totally enjoyed the movie, and I was glad I did take him to see it. There's really nothing wrong with it in my eyes- he was a "good guy" that did what it took to get rid of the "bad guys". I wouldn't take him to see the Dark Knight, as I know there are darker overtones in this movie, but Iron Man was absolutely fantastic for him. I was surprised that he even sat through the dialogue.

  • May 3, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Oh dear Mori, you can't say we didn't try...

    by half vader

    Of course it's possible that Theraven is the king of deadpan joking...

  • May 3, 2008, 12:52 a.m. CST

    RDJ would have been a better batman than Bale

    by Magic Rat

    i said it.

  • May 3, 2008, 1:56 a.m. CST

    I didn't like it

    by BobPalpatine

    But I'm convinced I'm wrong, so I'll be going back. It sometimes takes me a viewing or two to separate what I thought the movie would be and what it is. Besides the middle of the movie where Iron Man first appears, I didn't care for much else. It all felt formulaic, and by the end of it I wasn't compelled by the plot. I thought the CG was pretty good, but not as perfect as everyone would have you think. I'm surprised people are finding this movie so adult. It deals with terrorism yea, but the actual action isn't any worse than any other PG-13 flick.

  • May 3, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Iron Monger is NOT pieces of the first suit

    by BobPalpatine

    Unless I missed something, you see the old Iron Man suit when Pepper and the cops go into the Monger lair, it's right there on the wall, then they see Iron Monger. Iron Monger was a completely original suit.

  • May 3, 2008, 2:06 a.m. CST

    This movie deserved every good review...

    by poeticwarriorII

    it's getting so you whining cunts who don't want more reviews can sit there and pull your fucking puds, either that or don't click on the links you bright shining twats. This is going to destroy TDK.

  • May 3, 2008, 2:34 a.m. CST

    The Source material was respected. Get F4 and Xmen away from FOX

    by The Founder

    IM was good, not geat, but very well made. I don't like the idea of harry and some overhyping it cause you could end up being let down, but yeah I have to agree, their's no rust on IM anywhere. Also Marvel needs to do what ever to get F$ and Xmen the phuck away from FOX.

  • May 3, 2008, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Kids can handle this...

    by Nealy Ramone

    There is nothing here that a 6 yr old couldn't handle, even the quasi-sex scene, as somebody put it. Just saw it, and I would've taken my 2&1/2 yr old daughter, that is, if she would sit still for it. I took her to see Horton, her 1st theater exp and she really dug it, until she shit her diaper. After I changed her, we had to leave because she refused to sit still for the last 1/2 hour, but I digress. If she could handle Pirates of the Caribbean 2 on cable, there's no reason anyone can't take there six yr old son to see IronMan. Shit, when I was 3, my parents took me to see Raging Bull at the drive-in. As a minor, I saw countless R-rated movies at the drive-in with my folks. My advice: if you are so inclined, TAKE YOUR KIDS! Raiders of the Lost Ark, which I saw in the theater when I was 4, was much scarier than this! Kids are tougher than you think.

  • May 3, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    founder is right

    by bacci40

    favreau proved that when you respect the source material, you make a superiour project...i was amazed at how he was able to take 40 years of iron man cannon and put it into one movie, but at no time did he treat any of the cannon with less respect than another...

  • May 3, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    The real theme was written by Sabbath

    by krushjudgement

    You can't top that.

  • May 3, 2008, 5:22 a.m. CST

    Next time baby...

    by ChrisVenom

    So when's the sequel already? Great movie!!

  • May 3, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Yeah – What He Said…

    by Evil Chicken

    Moriarty that is. Well said – spot on. What I love about this film is the fact that kids are going to see it and they are going to fall in love with the concept of making movie magic – whether it’s writing, computer graphics, special effects, acting, WHATEVER – this film is going to inspire those who feel that call, and THAT is a beautiful thing. Is that too much? No way, I remember how I felt after seeing Star Wars for the first time. Iron Man is that type of experience. I’m looking forward to reading in the future, “the first time I saw Iron Man I knew what I wanted to do.” Believe the hype and STAY for the end credits.

  • May 3, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    I saw American Wearwolf in London...

    by Dr Worm

    ...when I was 5 years old and it scared the shit out of me. I loved it. If I had a kid I would take him to see this. I already saw it twice.

  • May 3, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Fox didn't fuck those movies

    by half vader

    Greedy fucking pimp Avi Arad did. He whored out as many Marvel movies as humanly possible. Remember Man-Thing? At least they SAY they're going to take their time now... <p> Arad also did Bratz. And now a Robosapien movie.

  • May 3, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Very cool...

    by Rando Calrisian

    Went last night and I thought it was very cool. Great start to the summer season. <br> <br> BTW that new Indy trailer was BAD ASS on the big screen. How can you not be excited for Indy after seeing that? <br> <br> RDJ is perfect at Stark, and this film has all the action, and humor you would expect. <br> <br> As for kids... it is a bit violent, but no more than Raiders was back in the day, and if your kid can handle it, they will probably come out of the theater a movie fan for life. Come on... If you don't know if your kid can handle it - go see it for yourself first, then take the kids. I'd say 7 and up will eat this up all summer long. It's no more violent than the comic books it's based on.

  • May 3, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Great Fun but... (spoiler)

    by HypeEndsHere

    why is Sam Jackson pretending to be Nick Fury?

  • May 3, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    and why doesn't Tony Stark ask him what's wrong w/his eye?

    by HypeEndsHere

  • May 3, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Favreau Delivers!

    by thot

    Right on time, baby! I've been an Iron Man fan since I was a wee lad back in the 70's and was very hopeful for this one. I loved it, the wife loved it, the kids loved it! RDJ was indeed an inspired choice for Stark and will win many fans for his spot-on, charming portrayal. Paltrow was steaming hot as Pepper Potts and Bridges is, as he always is, perfection. Loved the special effects and story. I smell a top-notch trilogy!!

  • May 3, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Nick Muthafucking Fury!!!

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    Director of Muthafucking SHIELD!!

  • May 3, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    The "Avengers Initiative"

    by Tacom

    Will this mean a new Avengers movie or just be a part of the Iron Man sequels? Anyway I thought Iron Man was great. Robert Downey Jr. was PERFECT as Tony Stark.

  • May 3, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Tacom...

    by just pillow talk

    One would think it's part of the grand plan for an Avengers movie. As Sammy boy said, you think you're the only super hero out there Tony? (paraphrasing of course)<p>BTW, fucking outstanding movie.

  • May 3, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    It's true. This is a great flick.

    by Jawa 007

    Easily one of the best (if not the best) superhero movie (time will tell). Regardless of whether or not that's the case - it IS a great time at the movies. I'm going again.

  • May 3, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    "A film born of pure geek love" won't make it good.

    by DEX

    Just look at Mark Steven Johnson, director of Daredevil and Ghost Rider. By most accounts, he loves the material and tried to remain faithful but those movies were crappy because the guy doesn't have a brain in his head. That being said, I do think Iron Man is one of the best comic adaptations ever. The fans maybe got a bit lucky because, really, nothing in Jon Favreau's filmography said he could pull this off (except that he handled effects nicely with Zathura and he has a gift for witty dialogue).

  • May 3, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    I loved the plane scene with Stark and Rhodey

    by Tacom

    When the hot stewardesses started dancing and the pole came out of the floor! Made you want to be Tony more than Iron Man actually!

  • May 3, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Jawa 007...

    by poeticwarriorII

    Everything else is going to have to go a long way to beat this. As of nowk, Iron Man stands alone atop the heap to me. And it is one helluva great time which I will gladly shell out my ever deflating dollars for again. It's been a few summers since a movie this damn smashing has graced our theaters but thank God it's finally here.

  • May 3, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    And half vader...

    by poeticwarriorII

    Fox ass raped those movies and then put them in a Thai whore house under forced prostitution. Arad was just the shitty immoral Asian father who puts no value on human life and sold off the goods. So once again, Fuck Fox and get those properties back in Marvels hands. I am willing to watch the Hulk, however, based solely on the kick assedness of Iron Man. Shitty CGI and abomination aside, it still might be a good movie.

  • May 3, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    About kids seeing this...SPOILER

    by Mahooch

    I saw it in a packed house last night. UN FREAKING REAL. Made me poop my appendix. Which was good; didn't need it anyway. A kid about 6 or 7 years old sat two rows in front of us. When Starman ripped the still-beating heart thing out of Charlie Chaplin's chest, he started to cry. Collective rumblings from the theater ensued. I think he eventually calmed down. BOTTOM LINE: Don't have kids. But if you must, don't take them to this film.

  • May 3, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Thoughts about the movie

    by greentealite

    It was good, as a popcorn movie I thought it did its job just fine. But I don't think it had any elevated qualities, really. The transformation of Iron Monger was pretty unbelievable, what reason did we have to believe Jeff Bridges was *that* insane? Most of the interpersonal relationships were sketchy, really. Pepper/stark was good, military guy/stark was good, doctor/stark, good. The whole arc of the movie seemed really short, as well. The story took awhile to begin and instead of exploring Iron Man's abilities, it rushed to the climax and ending. Just like with the delayed gratification of the kiss between pepper and stark, the whole movie just makes you want to actually see him in action. But it really holds back on that.

  • May 3, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Movie was pretty good...one of the best superhero movies ever ma

    by Space Disc Jockey

    Yeah, I liked Iron Man a lot. I think the first half of the film was really good. Kind of an awkward ending. Rober D. Jr. did a great job, as did the rest of the cast. Good VFX too. BTW, I saw the DTK and Indiana trailers...but no Hulk. Hmmm

  • May 3, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Whoops...correction

    by Space Disc Jockey

    I meant, TDK. My bad =)

  • May 3, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    why ironman gets it right

    by bacci40

    its the stark character...plain and simple...

  • May 3, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    kicked the ass out of my expectations

    by maltpointer

    and my expectations were high high high. I fucking loved this film. Downey is awesome . . . Gwyneth needs to break out the freckles more often . . . Rhodey's look at the suit, followed by, "next time," was fricking awesome. I could go on. The post credits piece lit me up like a string of napalm bombs in the a.m. I fucking loved this movie.

  • May 3, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    plot holes?

    by maltpointer

    Somebody upstream was commenting on how the terrorists should have nabbed Stark BEFORE the demo. when you consider <SPOILER> that the terrorists were actually delivering on a contract from Stane, I'm not so sure that comment holds as much water. </end SPOILER> But I might be missing something.

  • May 3, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST

    A few observations after a second viewing:

    by GregoryHarbin

    1. POSITIVELY a prototype Cpt. America shield on Stark's desk in the workshop. It's on the left side of the screen when it's pointed at Pepper when she enters the lab as he's trying to get out of his suit. It's got half the star, but it's red, white, and blue, and it's IT. Great easter egg.<p> 2. Is it just me, or does reporter Zorianna Kit look exactly like Alison Mack (Chloe of Smallville fame)? A quick Google tells me she's an actual reporter, but the resemblance is striking.<p> 3. For those of you looking for some more emotional connection for Stark for the village he saves from Ten Rings (which I don't think we need), I'm 100% sure that the village is where Yinsen, his sidekick in the cave, was from. Gulmira was its name. So, he was saving the lives of the people who are related to the guy who saved his life earlier in the film. Seems like enough justification, if destroying his weapons wasn't enough for you.<p> 4. Favs' character, Hogan, kind of disappears halfway through the film. Kind of strange. Maybe there's more to his story that got cut out, that'll be in an extended DVD cut.<p> 5. Earlier in the thread I posted a clip of the Nick Fury scene after the credits. It was a little shaky, and had some people talking over it, so I recorded it again, from a tripod (yeah, don't ask me how I got it in the theatre). It's a little better quality because there's no shaking. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGgLZFdINpg

  • May 3, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Harbin

    by greentealite

    Thanks for the Nick Fury clip, I left as soon as the credits started even though I knew that was at the end. I hate drifting out with the crowd.

  • May 3, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Here's the after-credits script:

    by ZeroCorpse

    [Scene: Tony Stark enters his mansion. It's dark.] <p> TONY<br> Jarvis? <p> <p> JARVIS <br> Welcome home, sir. <p> [Suddenly, Tony notices a man standing, back to him, staring out at the ocean through the vast window on the other side of the room. He's masked by the shadows.] <p> STRANGER <br> (quoting Tony) "I am Iron Man." -- You think you're the only superhero in the world? <p> [The stranger turns, still in shadow.] <p> STRANGER <br> Mr Stark, you've become part of a bigger universe; You just don't know it yet. <p> TONY <br> Who the hell are you? <p> [The stranger comes into the light, revealing his face. He's an African American man (Samuel L. Jackson) wearing a black eye patch. He has scars on his face, and is bald. He's wearing a black leather coat.] <p> STRANGER <br> Nick Fury, Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. <p> [pause, we see Tony react, curious.] <p> NICK FURY <br> I'm here to talk to you about the Avenger Initiative.

  • May 3, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    ROBOCOP 2 battle is magnificent.

    by christian66

    While the movie is disappointing, nobody can watch that epic fight and not be satisfied. Kershner nailed one of the greatest comic book battles ever on film but few seem to remember. It's kinetic and choreographed and looooong. IRON MAN should have had exactly that kind of fight. As it stands, it was not much, and way too much animated explosions. Next time.

  • May 3, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Oh, and where's Nick Fury's cigar?

    by christian66

    That's one of his features. Imagine how cooler that moment would have been just to see smoke rising, then he turns. Am I wrong?

  • May 3, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    RE: Is it OK for my 4 year old?

    by Mace Tofu

    Drinking and hot sweaty reporter fucking, pole dancing employees , War, graphic terrorist killing, fighting and slow death. If you are OK with your 4 year old watching these things then yes you can take him to see IRON MAN. Keep your babies at home please : )

  • May 3, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    I loved this movie

    by flickchick85

    I'm not a comics reader, and until the trailers, I was completely unfamiliar with Iron Man. But damn, this movie rocked. I've only ever loved 2 superhero movies - The Incredibles and Batman Begins (I liked Spider-man 2, but it wasn't LOVE), but this movie makes 3. And Robert Downey Jr. did give the best performance ever in a superhero flick. I love Christian Bale and think he's the perfect Batman, but RDJ just has more to do as Tony Stark. Loved the ending, too. That was unexpected and kinda convention-breaking, wasn't it?

  • May 4, 2008, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Am I the only one who had problems with Iron Man?

    by NoDiggity

    I only had fun watching the Suit on Suit slugfest at the end, and even that wasn't particularly clever. And the film was particularly offensive in the propaganda department. I don't care if all these elements were lifted and transplanted directly from the original comic book, where I hear Iron Man was a pro-military anti-Vietnamese figure. This film was viciously racist. Most of the movie dwelt on bad guys who were dark skinned, bearded, and fabulously hook-nosed. The film jingoistically changed the acronymn of SHIELD to include the word HOMELAND to tie it in to Bush's "Homeland Security". The audience is informed that our military is so good that they refuse to attack enemy military targets when they have "human shields", which totally twists the original use of this term during the Iraq Wars, where this term was used to EXCUSE the deaths of civilians from U.S. bombs, blaming the collateral damage on the enemy targets for being too close to the civilians. How nice of this movie to rehabilitate the U.S. military's reputation in this area. And Tony Stark's sudden decision to stop manufacturing weapons is ... not because his weapons cause civilian deaths at our hands, but because (as far as he knows) SOME of them fell into the hands of the enemy, who then killed some U.S. soldiers with them! No explanation is supplied as to where they get their money from to BUY the weapons, or what Tony Stark's treacherous uncle realistically plans to get out of supplying such weapons to these cartoon monster Terrorists (if it's ever discovered, won't it destroy Stark Industries?). As another reviewer pointed out, it's kinda galling to watch Tony Stark being tortured by drowning him, as a blatant way of shifting the sense of blame from the Waterboarding (which is also drowning) torture used by the U.S. in Guantanamo and other interrogation camps. Oh look, it's the TERRORISTS that do that to an American! I have no idea what relationship the black military guy originally had to Tony Stark in the Comics, but here he is a Top Brass in the U.S. military (hey black people, join up, this movie is providing you with a fantasy of how high you can go!) to further highlight the goodness and decency of our military. And Iron Man proves how heroic he is (after rather viciously killing many unarmoured terrorists) by saving the pilot of a missile-launching U.S. fighter plane. Way to go, Iron Man, you stick up for those decent fighter pilots who never launch while Terrorists hold human shields! The bits where Tony Stark plays with the prototypes of his suit are fun, and the final Suit vs. Suit slugfest is fun in a nostalgic comicbooky way, but this movie has been WAY overhyped. Robert Downey Jr.'s much vaunted charm sadly failed to amuse me, and I think has been ballyoo'd by rather competent and effective marketing. The way his character is played, he comes off as a rather nasty piece of work, especially in his treatment of his sexual conquests (one of whom is an anti-military-industry reporter, who he seduces and then obnoxiously ignores (with Paltrow's assistant blatantly referring to as "trash" ... take that anti-war activists!). One high school guy hooted with delight every time Downey's Stark dissed another woman he'd slept with in the past, when he failed to remember her name. Hooray for misogyny as well jingoistic bashing of any anti-war attitudes. I've always found Gwyneth Paltrow beatiful, and she's especially so in this, dressed up as a 40's style glam princess. Every moment on the screen was an eye candy treat. But her romantic chemistry with Downey's Stark is way way below the sparks the hype has been reporting. All in all, I'd say this is another one of those superhero movies that gets it's positive buzz from immature, insecure comic book fanboys whose idea of a good comic book adaption is to have it have a dark, violent, "badass" edge to it. These people will rate this highly because they got to see the human version of a tank kill people with no real defense against him. It's another step downwards for heroism and idealism, and another step towards militarizing the population through Entertainment. Hooray!

  • May 4, 2008, 2:31 a.m. CST

    NoDiggity = Jerk off

    by WhoDis

    it had to be said

  • May 4, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Harbin, thanks for the clip

    by BobPalpatine

    And how did you get a tripod in there?

  • May 4, 2008, 4:01 a.m. CST

    That's it i'm calling Nick Fury about the Avengers Initiative

    by Orionsangels

    http://tinyurl.com/6zsdd2

  • May 4, 2008, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Finally a solid superhero movie...

    by quantize

    well done, though it shits me that the trailers we've seen so far actually gave the impression that the CGI was crappy and game looking..clearly those trailers were NOT finished work...even the backgrounds are different in the film.. And Speed Racer looks like total fucking ass...im avoiding that one like the plague.. Iron Man did rock verily though.

  • May 4, 2008, 4:37 a.m. CST

    @NoDiggity

    by kronos6948

    Wow...I never realized that Jeff Bridges (the main baddie in the film) is dark skinned and hooked nosed. Maybe I need to find out what prescription glasses you're wearing so that I can see the BS you're seeing.

  • May 4, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    tom morello's cameo...

    by bernard

    was funny too. i wonder if it was just because he is in "rage against the machine".

  • May 4, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    christian66

    by mr.brownstone

    Agreed.

  • May 4, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Knuckleduster & Half vader

    by mr.brownstone

    Superman cost 200 because 70 had been spent on development over the years before Singer even came on board. How you spend 70 million dollars on developing a movie us beyond me, but they did it. Second -- Iron Man cost 140 not 180... so about the same as Superman if you don't count that crazy 70 McG, Ratner and Guber racked up.

  • May 4, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Palpatine:

    by GregoryHarbin

    http://www.bluedeals.com/mitrsmtrforc.html

  • May 4, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    brownstone

    by Knuckleduster

    I bet that includes the $17 million that Nic Cage walked away with.

  • May 4, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    The ending could have been more EPIC

    by Orionsangels

    A small street fight between the Iron Men and then they almost fly through the atmposphe and bad Iron Man freezes. Reappears and falls through the Roof. Where were the money shots?

  • May 4, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Really liked it, and Jeff Bridges was fantastic

    by kevred

    Downey, as has been said by others, was indeed the heart and soul of this movie. What took me by surprise was how completely on the whole cast was.<p>Bridges stood out to me--he didn't hit a wrong note the whole time, and he really inhabited that character. Paltrow was dead-on perfect for Pepper--I doubted when I heard the casting, but she was simply perfect. And Terrence Howard--talk about making the most of a little, in terms of dialogue and screen time. He and Downey were great examples of what you need to do to make a superhero movie greater than the sum of its parts. The dialogue was clever, but it's the subtleties in their delivery that made it work. It was a simple story, but they really made you feel for this "becoming a human by becoming a machine" fable.<p>I was looking forward to the "extra" after the credits, but honestly it let me down--the only thing in the whole film that did. It actually felt like a Lucas prequel moment: a moment that sounds fantastic on paper but which falls flat on screen. I'm okay with the idea of Jackson as Fury, but I'm honestly really getting tired of Jackson playing himself in everything--same line delivery, same everything. Unlike everyone else in the film, he didn't disappear into his part. It was just Sam Jackson in an eye patch. Maybe an unfair judgment for only a few-second bit, but that was my reaction.<p>Bravo, Marvel, Favreau, Downey, and all--home run!

  • May 4, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Indy4 will make 150 million its opening weekend!

    by Orionsangels

  • May 4, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Great movie.

    by mrfan

    The End.

  • May 4, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Cliché driven w/ a worn out plot . . .

    by aboriginal

    . . . and I loved it just the same. But, damn, couldn't it have been more original and inventive? How many times has a plot device been introduced (several here) and used to either hurt or help the hero? How many times does the bad guy gotta be the good guys mentor, buddy, brother, etc, etc? With that aside, damn fine movie.

  • May 4, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    I saw it with old Indy and TDK trailers

    by BizarroJerry

    I had all ready seen the new trailers online, but I was disappointed to see the previous teasers in front of Iron Man.<p> I liked this movie, by the way. Mature enough for adults, but not too violent or creepy for kids. And I did love how he just blurts out right at the end who he is. Aside from bucking the secret identity trend, it just fits with Stark's personality. I admit though, I don't know lots of comic details. Is IM's identity a secret in the books?

  • May 4, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    The best, most fully realized comic book movie EVER!

    by irrelevntelefant

    yeah... I said it. <p> as for nodiggity- IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE YOU DOUCHE! IT IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER IN A FICTIONAL WORLD!

  • May 4, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    Bridges was the "Anti-Dude" as Stone

    by irrelevntelefant

    makes me want to go shave my head...

  • May 4, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU NO EDIT BUTTON! I MEANT STANE!

    by irrelevntelefant

  • May 5, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    IRON MAN 2 IN 2010

    by GregoryHarbin

    Marvel just announced, IM2 and Thor in 2010, and then a Cpt. America origin story and The Avengers in 2011.<p> It's a good time to be a geek.

  • May 6, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Including Nick Fury's cigar...

    by moseaphus

    Would have probably pushed this movie to an R rating with the BS ratings system these days. Doesn't any kind of smoking get slapped an instant R now?

  • May 6, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Avengers

    by adolfoliver

    I see that they are planning an Avengers movie with Cap America, Thor, Iron Man, and the Hulk. I hope that they throw in some of the female characters (preferably Scarlet Witch or the Black Widow... maybe even the Wasp). I would hate for the movie to turn into a giant circle jerk. Other cool characters would be The Black Panther and Quicksilver.

  • May 6, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Mori I don't think the film was that violent

    by Tacom

    It's not that bloody or anything. I think the part where the kid is cry calling out "PAPA!" when they're going to shoot dad is probably the thing that could upset Toshi. Anything else is okay, unless you're as easily offended as NoDiggity.

  • May 7, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Best comic book movie...

    by Grrrr....

    ...ever! This surpassed Spiderman 2 easy. And I never really followed Iron Man as a kid but the dude is super cool!

  • May 8, 2008, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Toshi

    by sajarrow

    your kids a wuss...wait til he gets to 5th grade...MINORITIES !!!!...his ass is grass...lol

  • May 8, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Ultimate Nick Fury doesn't smoke cigars.

    by ZeroCorpse

    At least, he's not always chomping on one like the old, white Fury.

  • May 10, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Well, I just saw Iron Man (finally) and the one thing

    by Itchy

    that really surprised me ? I liked Gwyneth Paltrow. I mean, the chick is annoying, idiotic, anti-American douchebag Frenchie kiss ass ... but she looked fucking hot and has a great ass. So I'm conflicted. Outside of that, I have nothing to add that hasn't already been said - great movie and Robert Downey Jr. is grat.