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Word is Baltar starts evangelizing more broadly while Tigh starts having Cylon visions and the crew mourns last week’s casualty. Jane Espenson, who wrote the fantastic "Dirty Hands" episode in which Seelix was promoted, contributes this week's script. The noon (ET) feed might be found here.

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  • April 25, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST


    by OGbigMoneyMIKE

  • April 25, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST


    by George_Lucas_Beard_Goiter


  • April 25, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    oh frak

    by George_Lucas_Beard_Goiter

    i got out-firsted...better than getting out-fisted i guess

  • April 25, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    battlestar glactica rules and so does lost

    by Hellboy4Prez

    Can't wait to watch this episode after the best episode of the season on the only other tv show worth watching. Hopefully the producers , writers and directors take this show out with a bang.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:51 a.m. CST

    I'm calling it; Tyrol bones Tori

    by srh1son

    Why not? She's fraking everybody else on the show. And then, after the coupling, she'll reveal she airlocked Cally. And Tyrol will freak.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Season IV

    by OGbigMoneyMIKE

    Its been okay, but I feel like they are rushing a bunch of shit in. And why is it RAZOR is nowhere to be seen on the websites or VOD sites like Hulu? 4.3 is the Episode start date for this "season" so they ar etelling us, "Sorry, Razor was part of your 1/2 assed Goodbye?" Clearly, Like many of you have said, we are ALL cylons, I get it now, thats the BIG reveal. Also, the plot device about Tigh is rght on, hes an OG sleeper Cylon as well. I am not sure who the fifth is and Im not sure about Earth and how it fits in with Astrlogy. Anyone rememebr the OLD Galactica? They had human cylons too! Even a cylon at a halwoeen party!

  • April 25, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    @Goggle Frak:

    by OGbigMoneyMIKE

    F I R ST !

  • April 25, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Battlestar Galactica?

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    Please. How about a talkback for a show that's worth talking about, like The Alaska Experiment? The guy with the two daughters is totally fucked. I bet he kills them within three weeks...

  • April 25, 2008, 3 a.m. CST

    srh1son Theory

    by isther

    If Tyrol bones Tori, and she'll reveal the airlocking... Hope later, it doesn't become like Sweeny Todd, with Tyrol cutting Tori's throat... cliché!

  • April 25, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    hold on.

    by Mr_X

    hey tyrol, after having sex with you, let me come clean and admit it. i killed your wife. but we're cool right?

  • April 25, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST


    by SKULL1138

    They are all Cylons, the 13 are just the original models and also the 12 lords of cobal, This will come out

  • April 25, 2008, 3:51 a.m. CST

    I meant to say 12 instead of 13

    by SKULL1138

    You get the idea, I posted my theory on last BSG talkback, cant be arsed again.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:36 a.m. CST

    I think the 5th cylon is....

    by 8266665

    Callie. There were alot of clues in the last episode. One main reason I think so it the big deal made about boomers baby with the visions everyone is having about this hybrid baby. But if Tyrol is a cylon, he's kid would be half cylon too unless calli is then the baby would be full on cylon.

  • April 25, 2008, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Where are the spoilers and inviso text??

    by Lemming

    I rely on that to keep me going until I can download the episode tomorrow (in the UK here) :(

  • April 25, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    8266665, can't be true

    by cyrent

    Unless we've been lied to about something else. As far as we've been told, the Cylons can't concieve on their own, so if both Tyrol and Callie were Cylons there wouldn't have been any baby to start with.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Yes it can be true

    by drjnr

    I think that it's going to turn out that they're all cylons, as "something" changed at the nebula, ie it awoke the programing of the final 5. So while models 1-7 may not be able to concieve between themselves they can with the descendents of the original 12. That kind of made more sense in my head ;)

  • April 25, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Moving rather slowly...

    by NeoMyers

    All the commercials for BSG S4 were so intense always telling us "THE FINAL SEASON" and variations on that. However, it has been moving pretty slow for me. The first ep back was great--Starbuck, the 4 secret cylons, Anders' encounter, that great battle sequence--and it seemingly got things going. But the last two felt like treading water. Obviously, Callie's death and the Cylon civil war have been high points, but the way I see it is: it's the final season--leave it all on field. I was hoping for a break-neck, high-octane ride all the way to Earth and right now it's more like a calm walk by the lake and, OOPS, we almost slipped in... oh, good, we didn't. Okay. Great.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Final 5

    by drjnr

    Which is why the final 5 are fundamentally different cylons, their consciousness/programming was switched on by something at the nebula. Greg Egan has written a number of sci-fi stories regarding the concept of what consciousness is and this reminds me lot of his work. Of cause I could be completely wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time!

  • April 25, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Last Cylon

    by Brotherhood of Eternal Sleep

    I don't think they will reveal who the final cylon is till the last episode. I bet the last one is on "earth". Its going to be someone from history or pop culture. Like Elvis. What I would love to see is they reach Earth in the time of Christs resurrection and claim Jesus is the last cylon.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    This season has S-U-C-K-E-D so far.

    by Sammy Jankis

    Oh my god, this acid-trip crap that just drones on and on for an hour week after week as the camera revolves around a confused character over and over and over. This season is rapidly draining any good-will I had left for this show after seasons 2 and 3. And for some reason this show has decided that it will take a page out of Dr. Who and blare music so loud in every scene that you can't actually hear the dialogue. At least the music is a smidge better than the Who soundtrack. Like NeoMyers said, the final season of this show should not be treading water. They've built up too much background that could be used to great dramatic effect for them to be engaging in all this political subterfuge among the colonials AND the cylons. And I was REALLY hoping they were going to space that screaming brat along with Callie. Shit, Tory wouldn't have had the chance to kill me because I'd have spaced myself long before she went to that airlock.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST


    by Sammy Jankis

  • April 25, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    I wish they'd stream this one all day too

    by Strabo

    It's going to be tough dodging the Dilbert-esque manager long enough to watch this at noon.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    I agree it's treading water very slowly now

    by mayorofsimpleton

    THEY FOUND EARTH! What do they do? Ignore it for a few episodes and then slowly let some garbage scow check it out. Fucking come on already. Let's go. I wish they hadn't have shown us Earth if they are just going to piddle around.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    This will be a PREVIEW not a full EP!!!

    by jccalhoun

    Unfortunately it looks like this is just going to be a PREVIEW rather than the whole episode this week. The website says "Live streaming episode PREVIEW" I hope it is the full episode but I'm guessing it is little more than the fist act

  • April 25, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    The final cylon reveal will suck.

    by Real men cry sir. Real men cry.

    I believe this. It will not match the hype. I like the show, but I'm not holding my breath that it's gonna be "balls out", mouth on the floor, OMG, it all makes sense. If it does, great. If not, look for a Sopranos ending with Adama sitting at his desk, we hear the door open, he looks up and the screen goes black.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    just one thing...

    by harper54

    Rolo Tamasi

  • April 25, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    My mind to your mind...

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I'd like to Mind Meld with a woman...but hopefully not one I'd had sex with. Imagine the embarrasment!

  • April 25, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST


    by MrD

    They didn't find Earth. A dead girl, back from the grave, and a suspected Cylon agent claims to have found Earth and has a vague sense of how to get there. They "ignored" it for NO episodes -but debated it for 2 eps which, in show time was a couple of days at most before sending out one scout ship to verify or refute the claim. Perfectly sensible.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    re: 8266665, can't be true Just you wait a couple of episodes. You will see.

  • April 25, 2008, 11 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Great name!

  • April 25, 2008, 11 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    They did NOT find Earth. Mr.D's response to your post addresses this issue just fine.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST


    by Read and Shut Up

    Give it a godsdamn rest you friddly froops. Great show. Last week's ep was the best since season one.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    this stream

    by I Cant Believe I Actually Registered

    is terribly unreliable

  • April 25, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST


    by gotilk


  • April 25, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST


    by Jason B. Swaim


  • April 25, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST

    WTF - They only played the first 20 minutes.

    by DonnaDarko

    Trust the SciFi Channel to piss off the fans.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST


    by mediocrates

    It's saying that the episode has ended. It's only a half an hour in. What the frak?

  • April 25, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Good job, Sci-fi

    by Strabo

    I use my lunch break to leave work for half the fucking episode?

  • April 25, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST

    This episode is over.

    by gotilk

    No it's not. It's over at half. BUMMER.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Ended after 20 minutes!!

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    After the second commercial break, it said "The Episode Has Ended"<br><BR>WHAT THE FRAK?!?! and my cable doesn't have Sci-Fi Channel!!!! I am pissed.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Like i said a preview not the full ep

    by jccalhoun

    biggest tease ever. I don't know what they think this will do. boo

  • April 25, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST


    by Thick McRunFast

    Somebody at SciFi frakked up.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST


    by mhking

    Frak me!

  • April 25, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    "for another episode" no...

    by gotilk

    for another HALF episode. So, no. I will not be back.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    This is just frakkin' great.

    by Strabo

    Thanks so much, Sci-fi. You know, if they were broadcasting it every hour like last week it wouldn't be so bad. Why did they have to go back to the only-at-noon schedule?

  • April 25, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Did they honestly think this would do

    by gotilk

    anything BUT piss off fans?

  • April 25, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I wonder

    by Jason B. Swaim

    If they can figure in web site views with the Nielsen ratings? If not, this would explain the preview.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    that is a gay way to play

    by harper54

  • April 25, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    not as gay as calling things you don't like gay

    by jccalhoun

    What is this the Torchwood talkback?

  • April 25, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Guess what site we won't be going back to!

    by gotilk

  • April 25, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    calling things gay is gayer

    by gotilk

    than the icecapades. Welcome back to high school, 1991.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    If it were the Torchwood talkback..

    by gotilk

    at least we'd be talking about a great episode of a great show we'd seen from beginning to end. Hello, pirate bay... you just gained thousands of new friends. Oh,, we'll be in touch.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    for reals...

    by Grendy

    I have said that if this series goes out like the chumpy X-Files that I will fly to Vancouver and beat some ass. What if Cally was the 5th? She'd been having problems sleeping since the nebula. She's gonna come back and be pissed! I just got the S3 soundtrack in the mail this week, and once again McCreary's work is a treat. Great to listen to and just enjoy on its own. More shout-outs to him are needed, for sure.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    master control?

    by fact10

    uh hellooo.. we've got a problem! dead air! hope we get a replay

  • April 25, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    I Say Let's Show 'em!

    by flanaganagain

    Okay to prove a point let's boycott the rest of the season of Battlestar and show SciFi they can't push us around with B.S. like teasing us with only half an episode! So say we all?

  • April 25, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    So say we all.

    by gotilk

    (eh... but I still need to see the show.. so download it is. No more watching live and streaming)

  • April 25, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    It was moving along well, too.

    by gotilk

    It felt like a slower first act or so. Probably not the best episode to do this with. Baltar pulls a Jesus at the temple, turning over tables and we go to a blank screen. BRAVO scifi retards.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Also.... white uniforms

    by flanaganagain

    I "think" Starbuck is NOT a cylon. I'm hoping, as the original had, she gets picked up by the messengers of light(?) Remember when they died and went to that place where everything was white? Their uniforms and such. I think that will explain why her ship is new and she did die but was ressurected. Cause dammit if Cylons can some back so can we humans! So Say We All!

  • April 25, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST stream

    by Alientoast

    I'm sure the full episode will be on the site tomorrow. You'll just need to wait longer to get your fix if you aren't watching it tonight.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    This was planned

    by kingrob76

    SciFi's banners were calling today's "show" as an Sneak Preview of the episode. I don't think they were ever planning on showing the full episode.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Then they should have fixed some of the

    by gotilk

    misleading stuff. Even at the end when they say come back for another EPISODE.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    For those without cable

    by flanaganagain

    If you're like me with no cable you can watch new Battlestar episodes the next day on myspace and I think Luckily LOST is broadcast not cable or I'd go postal. But in 2009 we'll all need that converter box for everything. The man always finds a way! 1984 Big brother here we come!

  • April 25, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Calling someone gay for calling something out...

    by harper54

    as gay is also gay. But then it ends there as there is no more gayness to apply to any of the conversations participants.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    We should have never wasted our time with

    by gotilk

    this nonsense. What a mess. Change it every week, why don't you? That'll bring 'em back for more. Oh, and be sure to NOT test it all out the first week to make sure it actually WORKS. Oh and once you're NOT sure it works, be sure to only stream it once so noone gets a chance to get it working. Then, by all means, do it right the second time, sort of. But be sure to do it differently again the following week, so fans are confused and frustrated. And be sure to make it clear that it's only half. Expect everyone to know, because.. you know.. we should have known it'd be massively different every week. Oh and throw in a little bit of HAMMERING THE HELL OUT OF MY FIREWALL with bullshit pings and datagram crap during pivotal moments in the episode.<br> <br> Blah blah blah.. don't bitch.. it's free.. blah blah... whatever. Everyone else can figure it out, why is it scifi is the only one who can seem to find the most retarded, schizophrenic way to do it and then fuck it up after they get it to work fine? This doesn't seem like mismanagement at all, it seems deliberate.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Skiffy the channel that hates Sci-fi and its fans

    by InActionMan

    Sci-fi channel is the wife beater of television networks. "I love you baby" SMACK! cancels Farscape on a cliff hanger. "I've changed, I'll never do it again. Please come back." WHACK! cuts the budget on StarGate so every other episode takes place in some guy's back yard in Vancouver. "We were meant to be together honey." PUNCH! Makes you wait a year for Galactica to come back. "I've reformed, I've changed my ways, I'll treat you good from now on." KICK! Promises you a preview and cuts it off half way through. I call for a special seminar at the next Comicon about how Sci-Fi treats its viewers. Print up a shitload of "SKIFFY SUCKS" T-Shirts and hand them out for free. Start a petition for all geeks to boycott and NBC/Universl genre product until all SKIFFY management is tossed out on their asses. Let the suites at NBC Universal know what a collection of ass-hats the SKIFFY management is. Otherwise prepare to be ass-raped by these fucktards to the end of time.

  • April 25, 2008, noon CST

    "SKIFFY SUCKS" T-Shirts

    by gotilk

    I want mine NOW.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    That's pretty homo. j/k

  • April 25, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    SciFi is full of fuckshits and asshats

    by Razorback

    They must hate their fans. 20 minute preview... when fans asked all week whether they were getting a full episode like the other weeks. What a bunch of douchebags.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    jokes aside

    by harper54

    This season is off to a great start. While I'm also a big LOST fan, I really don't see myself sticking through for another 2 seasons?!? I'm very happy that BSG is ending and I really hope they continue taking out members of their large ensemble cast. That will return them to the gritty realism that drew many to the show in the first place. The funny thing is, watching BSG and/or LOST with my g/f who doesn't follow these shows it's impossible to esplain what the fuk is going on. These are very much not episodic programs any more. I just wish LOST would RAP IT UP!

  • April 25, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    I'd like to complain...

    by mediocrates

    about people who hold things up by complaining about people who complain.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST


    by Jason B. Swaim

    why is this being marked as spoilers when there is no inviso-text? The pic? I thought RM said there were no fill episodes and so far the first 20 minutes was nothing but filler.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Bullshit, matalo

    by Razorback

    You are so full of shit. You fuckin' idiots who whine about every episode spout such horseshit it is amazing you can breath in between. He said there would be no stand alone episodes. That means episodes where nothing forwards the story.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I am so tired of articles whose entire point is for Herc to name

    by jacobkosh

    Seriously it's like an awkward date where the dude keeps "accidentally" dropping stuff to show off his ass. Enough, enough, enough.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    ... is for Herc to namecheck Jane Espenson.

    by jacobkosh

    Fucking short titles.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Baltar in the temple

    by wintocha67

    That was painful to watch, heavy handed and in this day and age of religious decline, pointless. One god or a pantheon? Come on, makes no difference. Believing in any irrational idea is just an excuse to submit to someone else and to commit mob violence against others.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    some funny shiat to watch while waiting new ep

    by RaveX <p> <p> and yeah, I guess 2nd one is kinda old, but I saw it for the first time yesterday...

  • April 25, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Looks like

    by Jason B. Swaim

    Razorback picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. Relax, dude.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST


    by harper54

    I was trying to say that it's better BSG goes than stays. In that respect, if you honestly think LOST can keep up it's good run for another 39 EPISODES based on the last couple (which had a boring Kim's episode and Juliet episode thrown in despite the good ones) than you may be fooled too easily. IMO, LOST should end THIS season. Those writers are painting themselves into a corner at this point not having expected the show to go on so long. Similar to BSG in that it's a relatively contained environment the primary story takes place you can really only do so much before exhausting story lines and/or altering the basic and original premise altogether. Sure LOST could go on to show a protracted epilogue following the characters AFTER the island but you are talking about a fundamentally different show. Of course, the corporate way of thinking is if show do good, make show more. This doesn't bode well for good story telling. Ya know?

  • April 25, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    best show on tv ever

    by pumaman

    and I'm a Lost freak, so this show must be decent

  • April 25, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Religion is Social Cancer

    by Psynapse

    Well it is, plain and simple. Spirituality is something entirely different.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    LMAO, mediocrates...

    by Pennsy

    Nice Monty Python tip-of-cap there ;). <p> Drifting offtopic, us fuckers now have a chance to appear in High School Musical 3...thanks to an ABC reality show this summer with Nick Lachey as host:

  • April 25, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Cylon numbering

    by hst666

    What I realized this season is that the 7 known cylons are 1-6 and 8. What the Frak is that about? If the Final 5 were meant to stay in secret, wouldn't they be 8 - 12 or 1 - 5? No, instead they are 7 and 9 - 12. Does this bother anyone else, or am I just an asshole caught up in the trivial? I realize it's probably the latter, but I am still bugged.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    "Believing in any irrational idea is just an excuse to submit to

    by alex138

    criticism like this is meaningless and hypocritical by nature. people can believe in whatever they want. i believe in a lot of irrational things like the possibility of extra terrestial life. now i will probably never find out if it that's true in my life time but fuck's a possbility. so i can't in good conscience criticise someone for believing in God, a god, or some gods. Truth is- no one can prove OR disprove the existence of a higher being, one way or what's the point in arguing over it or criticising each other? people can believe in whatever they want if it makes them feel better. Granted- killing in the name of religion sucks... but generalizing religious extremism with plain spirituality is weak minded bigotry.

  • April 25, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    BSG Rocks

    by j2talk

    the new BSG is awesome.....remember all the naysayers when it was anouced that Starbuck was going to nbe a woman????? Keep BSG in mind the next time you complain that they are changing ______for the movies....

  • April 25, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST


    by lessthan12parsecs

    You people are so dern funny. Boycott Sci-Fi...SKIFFY SUCKS...let's not watch the final episodes of BSG....yeah, that will show 'em!!!! Every single one of you who are saying this will be back. Knee jerk reaction to a small problem. Boo Hoo...I can't see the episode hoo hoo... Run back home to your mommas and grow up pansies. lessthan12parsecs

  • April 25, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Missing Model #7

    by tk 421

    I've been speculating that the #7 model is the 5th Cylon. The number itself has numerous religious connotations and would fit with the increasingly religious tone of the show. You've got Baltar as John the Baptis, Roslyn as Moses, Adm. Adama as David and then the 5th Cylon as Jesus.

  • April 25, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Looks like

    by Jason B. Swaim

    lessthan12parsecs picked the wrong week to quick drinking. ;)

  • April 25, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Looks like

    by Jason B. Swaim

    gotham_night picked the wrong week to quit smoking.

  • April 25, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by Jason B. Swaim

    quit drinking. Lack of edit sucks

  • April 25, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Daniel 7:1-8

    by Razorback

    Read it... may explain why there are seven cylons... then 4 who are different and known... and one who will rise to take over them all. :) The number is interesting too since there are 7, numbered from 1 to 8.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST


    by Jason B. Swaim


  • April 25, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Ghost of Nixon

    by secretcylon

    I thought some guy took responsiblity for the lights:

  • April 25, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Umm... okay. Could you elaborate?

  • April 25, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Not saying I don't believe you. I was just wondering what you made of that guys explanation.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Is this episode the one where

    by secretcylon

    the hybrid says "the missing three will give you the five" and "the dying leader will know the truth of the opera house?" And something about "the children of the one reborn?"

  • April 25, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Ghost of Nixon

    by secretcylon

    I figured as much. THe first thing I thought when I read this was that they had to move on to a new excuse besides "we where flying a mission in the area that night." They've been using that one for years. It's kinda scary that so many recent sightings have been of HUGE ships. I read recently that British airline pilots where literally spotting fleets of ships in the English channel in broad daylight. But on the other hand, we're always missing that decisive, conclusive image.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Now i'm pooping my pants.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    The final cylon will be:

    by Real men cry sir. Real men cry.

    Ben Cartwright. If they can put Marlon Brando in the new Superman, they can put Lorne Greene in the new BSG. The scout ships will land on the Ponderosa and He will reveal to them his true nature. He will invite them to live among Hoss, Little Joe and Wang Chung in a time when men were cylons and the women liked them like that. Even better? They land in the set of Blazing Saddles, do a musical number and ride off into the sunset.

  • April 25, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    what I'd like to see is

    by Real men cry sir. Real men cry.

    Starbuck's muckship get disabled, put out their distress beacon and then get rescued by the one and only Starship Enterprise. That way, we could get crossbreeding among the series when Kirk falls in love with that "sexy female alien".

  • April 25, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST


    by tk 421

    Indeed you were sir. Not sure if we're on to something, but it would make sense to me. Now who is the 5th? My guess, besides Bob Dylan, is Tom Zarek.

  • April 25, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    BSG ends when

    by Real men cry sir. Real men cry.

  • April 25, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    sigh, BSG ends when they arrive on earth

    by Real men cry sir. Real men cry.

    with a book called "To Serve Man"

  • April 25, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Dig Nog

    by secretcylon

    lose his leg yet?

  • April 25, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    it's 5:15 in austin, tx

    by Real men cry sir. Real men cry.

    Hurry home kids. Eat your dinner, take your bath and get in your jammies for tonight's exciting episode of BSG. Make sure you send off for your Little Orphan Annie decoder ring so that you can decipher tonight's secret message

  • April 25, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Starbuck needs to "frak"

    by Real men cry sir. Real men cry.

    Does that make Anders a "Sex machine"?

  • April 25, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST


    by alice 13

    hugs for everyone tonight.

  • April 25, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    What the fuck...

    by Strabo going on in this thread? Did everyone run out of ritalin today?

  • April 25, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST

    complaining about religion in BSG is 30 years late

    by jccalhoun

    Complaining about religions elements in Battlestar Galactica is pointless since the original series was all about Mormonism and the current series has also been full of it.<br><br>There may not be any god in the real world but is seems pretty clear that there is some truth to religion in the Battlestar universe since so many things in their holy books have come true.

  • April 25, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Totally Mormon

    by tk 421

    A friend of mine, who comes from a Mormon family, has likened the whole concept of the BSG exodus to the actual Mormon exodus from New York to Utah. Right down to the whole persecution of the Mormons by the US government.

  • April 25, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    The Final Cylon is...YOU! Congratulations!

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I have genuine fear that Ronald Moore, et al. will try to pull some crap like this in an effort to be "original" and "unpredictable" -- specifically, that, collectively, all of Earth's humans are the Final Cylon. I REALLY hope they don't try to pull some shit like this. (Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I really hope this is not the Final Cylon.)

  • April 25, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    tk421: BSG (the original) was in fact inspired by Mormons...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    This is no secret, actually. Glen Larson is a Mormon and was inspired by his faith when he created the original series.

  • April 25, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Prof. Pop-Cult

    by tk 421

    Yeah, dude, I know. Thanks though.

  • April 25, 2008, 7:53 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Me he he he

  • April 25, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Do not worry Professor...

    by LordEnigma

    the final Cylon was someone who brought D'Anna to her knees, and she apologized to IT. Whomever he/she is, they are awesome, and most likely someone she knew. So I am going with the total mindfuck of Adama being a Cylon.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST


    by j2talk

    BSG Ends with arrival at "Earth"...we have 2 human/cylon kids one male one female.....hmmmm

  • April 25, 2008, 8:38 p.m. CST

    D'anna saying sorry... but to whom?

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Do we know for a fact that the person she said sorry to was the Final? (I really don't remember the details, and am asking if anybody else recalls.) Maybe it was Cylon Tigh she said sorry to.<p><p>I just hope Ron Moore picked a single person to be the Final. Most of us probably won't agree with the choice, but I hope he spends sufficient time in the remaining episodes to justify this revelation, instead of trying to pull off some "shocking" plot twist with this reveal.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    this episode is only 20 minutes long

    by jccalhoun

    How funny would it be if the television broadcast stopped after 20 minutes too?

  • April 25, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    No more "frak", please.

    by fiester

    Can we maybe limit the fraks to two per episode?

  • April 25, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    gotham_night re: Tori

    by secretcylon

    Yes that is kind of annoying. It's almost like Adama has become a background character. I remember last year doing promos for the show and being told to include as little Adama as possible and to focus on the younger characters. Gotta get those young, female viewers. Tori si going to fade into the background a bit soon. From what I've seen, they're kind of focusing on people in chunks. Gaius/Starbuck, Chief/Tori. TIgh, Roslin, etc. More Adama coming. Maybe even a little Husker.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    To be fair - Adama is DIRECTING the episode.

    by DonnaDarko

    Is there a single likable human (or formerly known as human) character left in this show? No Cylon civil war this week. No Starbuck and her crew. This is getting boring fast.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    I'll never be able to look at 6 again

    by jccalhoun

    I never noticed how much Ellen Tigh looked like 6. Now I can't tell them apart.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    To those of you without cable....

    by The Last Dodo has all the BSG episodes available around noon (PST) or so the day after they air. Also, that was a seriously stupid stunt, Sci-Fi've just cost yourselves a crapload of goodwill and associated advertising cash, I'm sure.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Did everyone see Baltar picked up?

    by jccalhoun

    The scene where 6 picks up Baltar was ...weird. Was everyone there supposed to have seen Baltar floating in midair like that?

  • April 25, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    FINALLY! Cylons next week!

    by DonnaDarko

    Good to see Leoben's creepy face again.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST


    by Alientoast

    "Why is Starbuck always so sweaty?"...I dunno, Anders looked kinda sweaty too. "Was everyone there supposed to have seen Baltar floating in midair like that?"...that was actually pretty funny ;) Overall, it was an interesting episode. Chief is losing it (plus he almost killed Racetrack, a crime punishable by death), Baltar's cult is starting to become notice how all sorts of people are now attending? Six might know about's hard to say. I dunno how he is going to explain all the damned bruises though "Cut myself shaving, Bill!". Worked for Baltar. Next week looks did Lebonin find her, though?

  • April 25, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Saul can restore his eye...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Maybe Six will help Tigh realize that he has the power to restore/heal himself. (He could find that his missing eye is gradually regenerating itself over a few weeks.) The ramifications of that could affect how he sees himself among the humans (being virtually immortal to them). Plus, he would have to keep wearing the eye-patch to hide his restored eye.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    In head SIx

    by secretcylon

    Has manifested in the physical realm. A miracle?

  • April 25, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Waughhh! Just watch it on TV.. waugh!!

    by gotilk

    Man up and quit whining about our legitimate complaints. If more people cared, skiffy wouldn't pull this nonsense.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Another thing: stopping aging...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Another thought: If Saul can restore his eye, could he also stop himself from aging? Perhaps reversing it? This could go a long way to explain how it is that the Final Four Cylons apparently grew up and grew old around humans that they knew. Imagine if Tigh gradually starts to look younger over the timespan of the final episodes (more hair growing, the color starts returning to it, etc.) and it becomes too obvious for him to hide his more youthful change in appearance from other people.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Yawn. Baltar is Abraham.

    by BurnHollywood

    Good Ship Galactica is going to reach Ancient Egyptian Earth. The Cylons surviving their civil war merge with the anti-Baltar humans to become the Greeks, the Baltar humans and Cylon hybrids become the Jews, and as is typical of Euro-centric fiction, nobody gives a flying fuck that there was a significant Asian civilization all along. You didn't see this coming? Oh, I forget...Gen Y doesn't read. Too cool for books. Brats.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:44 p.m. CST

    The Final Cylon... Starbuck's mom?

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    I don't know if she has been discussed much as a possibility, but the thought just came to me for some reason. It would work and explain a lot about what's up with Starbuck. Also, I really like the Prof's de-aging idea with Tigh. Not only would it explain how is it these Final Cylons grew up around humans, but it would be cool to see Tigh become younger.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Is Baltar the Second Coming of Christ?

    by frakthetoasters

    Is Baltar the Second Coming of Christ at least in the Battlestar Galactica Universe? It seems so especially when he was delivering his post-beating Beatitudes to the faithful. And even Tory was falling for it. Roslin is right to fear Baltar with religious fanatics at his beckon call. Next week more Screaming Sackoff?

  • April 25, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Lee Adama = Final Cylon????!!!

    by jgmamma0

    With every episode, I am getting more and more convinced that Lee Adama is the final Cylon. I cannot believe nobody has mentioned what Baltar told Lee after Lee said that he is not doing this because of him. Baltar says something to the effect that "you are doing to this because your God wants you to". Is that the writers pointing with red arrows that Lee is the final Cylon? Someone mentioned here that Baltar is like "the Second Coming of Christ"-which I guess you could look at with the way he trashed the temple-Just as Jesus whipped the moneychangers in the temple. But, what if Baltar is the modern day John the Baptist pointing to Lee? Also, Lee always seems to be the fulcrum of the he balances between the law and the military, Starbuck and Dualia, his father and the president, etc. Think about the conversation that Roslin and dad Adama have about Lee-not seeing the practical realities, being too much of an idealist,etc. I wonder, if the final Cylon leads to peace between the humans and Cylons==> who better to represent that than Lee? Of course, I could be mistaken and it could be Doc Cottle or Tom Zarek (which actually would not be too bad either).

  • April 26, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I've often thought that the whole BSG gang where the "2nd coming" or the apocalypse (from earth's perspective) with the final 4 being the 4 horseman. Gaius being Jesus and the final cylon either being "God" or Baltar himself. Kara being a siren etc, etc. I remember reading recently somewhere though Ron Moore saying that Baltar is not Jesus.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    But Baltar could be

    by MrD

    John the Baptist.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    John The Baptist

    by secretcylon

    Yes, didn't John the Baptist have a big following? He preached with great fervor. I remember the guy from last temptation, people where basically worshiping him and then the big man showed up a John new exactly who he was.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST

    BSG is "LOST"...

    by Bones

    Am I the only one who thinks that they are just paddling along without a plan at this point? Except (of course) to hit the established number of episodes. Sigh.<p> Every year, I keep thinking about how much potential the mini-series had and how the show has never quite lived up to it. It is a very good thing that this is the last season.<p> Think about this: Outside of being dark and edgy, the show has taken four seasons to tell plot points the original series did in one (if you count the first episode of Galactica:1980 as the last episode of this show). Could have used an alien or two...

  • April 26, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST


    by Strabo

    If you haven't watched Ron Moore's Deep Space Nine, you should do that. If you have watched it, then you'll know that season seven of DS9 packed an incredible amount of plot development into the final season of the show, particularly in the final seven episodes. This entire season of BSG is going to be like season seven of DS9. Nothing but continuity porn. Given RDM's work on that final season of DS9, I have complete confidence that this last season of BSG will be incredible. <BR><BR>Unfortunately, viewers of Lost have no such guarantee, given the shoddy history of the producers of that show.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:35 a.m. CST


    by Strabo

    This post is for you: <BR><BR> <BR><BR>Pay particular attention to the third full paragraph.

  • April 26, 2008, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Prof. Pop-Cult

    by J-Dizzle

    If cylons had self-healing powers then they wouldn't really need new bodies would they?

  • April 26, 2008, 4:35 a.m. CST

    What a pretentious yuppie religion

    by There Are Twelve Models

    <P>Baltar's Beatitudes are a typical baby boomer's idea of religion. Talk about self-esteem babble. "You're all perfect and God loves you"? Baltar isn't Jesus, he's Mr. Rogers! Jesus didn't bring peace, but a sword (Mat 10:34), and he told his followers not that they _were_ perfect (because everybody sins against God, or why do you even need a Messiah to whip people into shape) but to _be_ perfect (Mat 5:48). (P.S. No, I am an atheist.) To strive, to seek and to obey, and not stop at half measures. A people who've been kicked up and down the galaxy like the BSG humans are ripe for fire and brimstone old-time religion, not the plump self-satisfied mouthings of 20th Century emotion porn. Just imagine: Why did the Cylons kill everyone? Because "God" was angry with humanity! And hey the Cylons worship Him too! Baltar's "love yourself" preaching suits him to a T, but how exactly is it going to motivate a ragged band of traumatized survivors to fight or otherwise propel the plot?</P> <P>Anyway, we've seen some hints of Baltar disagreeing with Head Six, or at least acting independently of her and seemingly more creative than she is. You wonder how Baltar is even capable of disobeying anymore. Since the miniseries he's been conditioned to obedience. Everything from kinky mental sex to physical pain hammering him in line. Baltar does seem to have a flair for this religion stuff, though. Does "God" even care what Baltar preaches, as long as he has a following? Aside from the repeated evidence that Head Six is not purely in Baltar's head, she must be some kind of hologram that "only Baltar can see and hear" (thanks Quantum Leap). I have no idea why "God" wants worshippers, though. What's the endgame for that when they reach Earth?</P>

  • April 26, 2008, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Why the FUCK hasn't Roslin paid some hired trigger man to put a

    by Playkins

    I mean COME ON- she hates him, Adama hates him, everybody except his religious harem HATES this guy. He's a traitor, a coward, and responsible (however innocently) for the genocide of the human race. Even with the idea martyrdom, a dead Baltar would be a good thing.

  • April 26, 2008, 4:54 a.m. CST

    ...bullet in his head?

    by Playkins

  • April 26, 2008, 6 a.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte more of an anti-christ, whose strings are being pulled by Six and Tori.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Not quite typical, There Are Twelve Models...

    by scortch

    My girlfriend so astutely pointed out that the message was NOT "You're all perfect and God loves you" as many religions, especially Christianity do, but that you *are* perfect and *that* is why God love you. That's a subtle change in words, but a beeeeeg difference in meaning. Traditionally man has been imperfect and flawed bowing to God in his perfection. They are loved by God despite their flaws. Baltar is teaching that all God's followers are perfect and therefore on the same level as God.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Could Ellen Tigh be an aged number 6?

    by BenjaminGrimm

    The Tighs never had kids, their personalities are somewhat similar, Kate Vernon looks a hell of a lot like Tricia Helfer... Could the new mystery #6 they've been making a big deal about actually be a resurrection-ship created Ellen? Or is that completely insane?

  • April 26, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Get your Jesus out of my sci-fi

    by palewook


  • April 26, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    deep space nine

    by robamenta

    was a very good show, but the last season didnt really deliver. it was a bit of a let down and they wasted too much time on the new dax

  • April 26, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    amen.. But you have to admit Baltar is playing it LARGE. Great performance. He seems to believe it himself now. But in the end I think they'll be in the same position all of us are. No proof. Just faith. Not good enough. ATHIEST ADAMA for President!!

  • April 26, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Time on Earth = 33AD

    by coywire27

    When Battlestar finally gets to Earth, the writers will say that Baltar becomes Jesus, thus the beginning of Christianity

  • April 26, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    "and responsible (however innocently) for the genocide of the human race" Do you see any logic flaws there? Or is it just me? I get it, everyone hates the guy. But what has he really done? The only truly bad thing he did, he did staring down the barrel of a gun. Roslin has in practice made sacrifices for the greater good. Would she have taken a bullet to the head? This is why I love this show.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Deep thoughts with Mr. Insidious

    by MrInsidious

    Well I for one love the fact that everything is getting more stressful and cramped with every episode. People are hovering on going insane, they have been cramped on these ships for a long time. They work and drink, fuck and work. No one has full control of their lives and as the show goes on things are getting worse and worse. To me that is what makes this show so marvelous, the fact that it perfectly captures what people would go through in times of great stress and dire circumstances. I also think that the influx of religion into the show is a good thing, when times are difficult people look to God for guidance and a reason to hope. I love this season so far and only hope that I get to see more of Admiral Adama, I love his character and the slow burn of the relationship that he and the president have. I make no predictions but one, that all of humanity is the final cylon and thusly are all brothers and sisters just as the Bible says we are. Maybe that is the reason they will all throw down their arms and live in harmony. But I do agree with some other talkbackers that Lost is on a roll this season. Better than ever!

  • April 26, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    looking for episodes?

    by j2talk

    try : if you missed them or dont get cable

  • April 26, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    If the ending

    by QuantumAlbatross

    has anything to do with christianity I will eat my box sets and post the subsequent stools to The Desk of Ron. Fortunately I think the chance of this happening is slim.

  • April 26, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by Bones

    DS9 had something this show doesn't: Ira Steven Behr. You know, the producer of the show, overseeing MR. Moore and the other writers. DS9 was a fantastic show and is the only Star Trek (besides the original) that I own on DVD. I think that BSG comes close to it's promise, but falls just short--whereas DS9 actually exceeded my expectations and constantly impressed me.<p> I think, in the end, it has to do with "hope".<p> DS9 is filled with flawed, imperfect characters who rise above the lots they are provided in life, whereas the BSG characters are all mired in the muck. DS9 had almost all of the same concepts as BSG (except for the billions of dead), including the relationship between faith and science, war, xenophobia, intolerance, enemies hidden amongst us, people being manipulated for unseen goals the loss of innocence during war, political intrigue and etc. But unlike the BSG crew, they constantly rose above themselves and tried to do the right thing.<p> The BSG Characters (both Human and Cylon) are petty, vain, stupid beings who deserve neither salvation or continued existence. The show depresses me greatly--and yet I keep tuning back in, like rubbernecking a five-year long auto accident. At this point, I really don't care who the final Cylon is, where Starbuck went, what period of Earth's history they arrive at, who or what the Cylon God is--I just want it to be over.<p> BSG is a very good show, but it does have it's failings. They have never successfully given us a feeling for what life is like on the various other ships in the fleet, shown how people live or work on those ships, found any real hint of other cultures or people (outside the temple last season), truly explained what a Cylon is and what their motivations are (I realize that is probably going to be answered by the end of the show), or where the Cylons have been for the last 40 years and where they found all the materials needed to create their vast armada. When the Mini Series premiered, there was all this vast potential in front of us--I was hoping for a show, kind of like Schindler's List, that was about surviving and hope in the face of adversity--one that was ultimately about rebuilding out of the ashes. The show has been dragging the same plot threads along for four seasons now and rather than pushing forward, it has been constantly turning around and losing it's way, restarting and getting back on track. They have lost 20, 000 people due to their stupidity. Maybe that is the point--how we as humans are always our worst our failings make us repeat the same mistakes.<p> The show is hard to watch...but we keep turning in. The Soap-Opera aspects of the pained and forced Starbuck/Apollo relationship is not enough now. Adama, sheepish like a schoolboy around Roslin is beginning to drag. The wealth of secondary characters is very much underused, from Gaeta to Dualla to poor, jettisoned Callie. Instead, we are subjected to the ranting of the new Cylon characters, which is the dumbest Deus Ex Machina thing the show has done since, well New Caprica (come to think of it, they do this every year, don't they?). Bill Adama has known Saul Tigh for 30 years....were the Cylons already advanced to that point then? WTF? There are so many inconsistencies in this show it is mind-boggling.<p> Starbuck was right: They have been going the wrong way--now it is time for it to wrap up. I know I am in a minority in my opinion--it is undeniably a high-quality show--but for a show that could have gone anywhere, done anything--it is still a protracted version of the original show's single season.

  • April 26, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Actually Christianity doesn't teach that we're perfect either

    by Drath

    At least not my denominiation of Christianity. Baltar's message that we're perfect and that our faults aren't wrong if God loves us is screwed up. God loves us despite our sins, not because of them, and his love doesn't mean those sins aren't still bad. I don't believe we can blackmail God into forgiving us anything, he's already done it as a gift, but that's not what I'm hearing out of Baltar. I'd still be weary of his version of God. I think he really is just going to be a David Koresh or Joseph Smith type of guy and less of an Old Testament Prophet--despite that he's sounded and acted a bit like one in the last few episodes. Can't say I'm too surprised, Six is hardly a divine character with all her lies and manipulations.

  • April 26, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Stfu about the "omg Saul is old thus a plot hole"

    by Alientoast

    FFS give the show time to explain the situation. Do you honestly think they are that fucking vapid to completely overlook a GLARING issue in terms of chronology, especially when they have devoted episodes to the backstory? People don't give a shit about story or character development...a show is just "filler" if it doesn't have a) massive special FX budget b) some huge reveal. Character development? Dur, that's a waste of my time! Then the same people bitch about hollow characters because they can't pay fucking attention to what's going on. Rant off.

  • April 26, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    All Along The Watchtower

    by StarTrek Apologist

    All this talk of Galactica arriving in Earth's past is a waste of time. The only way the Cylons could hear the song they did was if it was written already. A HUGE tip off of what's to come. But knowing that some people are too busy inspecting their own large intestine another obvious clue was delivered at the end of Razor, "It's all happened before, it will all happen again." The 12 colonies are all descendents of Earth. Hell, the 12 colonies were all probably populated by the Cylons created by Earthlings in our future and the Cylons of the present are just the latest in a long line of 'artificial' life forms created by a previous generation of 'artificial' life forms. The series finale will be the revelation that Earth is not a refuge, but a craddle. And Galactica will not arrive in our past but our distant future.

  • April 26, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    StarTrek Apologist:

    by Lemming

    Except that Ron Moore already stated that the song was used because they like the song and that it means fuck all.

  • April 26, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Terrible Episode

    by BeatsMe

    Between the heavy-handed Baltar storyline, to Lee's totally unbelievable politician story, to the Six-Tigh nonsense, that was awful. The show seems to be really off-track this season.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Religious aspect..

    by sjlm90

    Christianity doesn't say that we are perfect. it's the opposite. We are deeply flawed sinners, yet God still loves us for who we are. A deeper love than we could ever comprehend. We just have to believe in him and receive his gift of salvation from eternal damnation.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Great stories do not make us feel hope

    by gotilk

    .. or even just feel good. They can, of course. (and that's good , too.. but wow we can get that anywhere and everywhere) But to look at fictional stories for our source of hopeful inspiration alone is an empty, fool's journey. Sometimes, and I say at their best, stories challenge us and our perception of our own reality. Sometimes there is tragedy, flawed characters, ambiguous morality... all of the things we tend to deal with badly in our lives. These crafted fictions can be our way to make sense of our place in the world when the vacuous, feel-good reality tv and happy ending fictions just make us feel comfortable like an unhealthy meal. Good fiction is HARD. Hard as in difficult. Bad tends to be easy. As much as I also enjoyed DS9 from time to time, I hardly hold it in the same regard as a work like BSG, which I see as something that has transcended the norm, pushed the boundaries and surprised us all over and over again. So say we all, or so say I. Either way. Don't take this as a damning of anything else that's ever been on TV, it's just my opinion about what I see as important, maybe even a little bit more than pure entertainment.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST


    by alice 13

    these characters are all so fuckd in the head i really hope they dont make it to earth we have enough problems tyvm.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    razorback! Thanks for the Daniel, Chapter 7 tip!

    by chromedome

    interesting read, that chapter: beast with great iron teeth destroying everything, but then suddenly growing a horn with human eyes and mouth, speaking wisdom.... limited lifespans being extended

  • April 26, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    As for the Model 7 being one of the Five

    by chromedome

    I don't find that frustrating, but intriguing. It means that the 7 was around and amongst the other 1-8 models, and then subsequently left/boxed/vanished and was somehow so significant in a positive or negative way to the cylons that they were programmed never to even think about 7, or 9-12.??? I still want, instead of the Caprica prequel, a prequel that tells the story of the Cylon 12....start to finish.<p>Keep in mind, that per the Jupiter episode, the Five Serve the One Whose Name May Not Be Spoken.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Inhead Six wears Green, now?

    by chromedome

    She started S4 wearing Red business suity sorta stuff, rather than slinky red dresses. But last night, she was wearing a green dress....<p>I think, up til now, the InHead has only worn red (white when in the opera house). In any other show this sorta detail would be meaningless--in BSG, it means something....

  • April 26, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Sol and the Six: not really an InHead Ellen

    by chromedome

    I don't think there was "really" an InHead Ellen there, just Sol hallucinating as he deals with his guilt over her death, struggling with his newfound cylon nature.<p>He went to CapSix because he wants to understand how the Cylon mind/pyche works (now that he is one). I wouldn't read too much into Ellen's reappearance, since I think it was just an artifact of Sol's dealing with and processing his new situation.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Secretcylon: InHead Six manifested into physical world before

    by chromedome

    She did manifest into full physical, visible preference on the Galactica when Baltar dismissed the idea that God was real.<p>When she says very matter of factly that she is an Angel Of God, I think we should take that as fact.<p>It was GREAT to see Baltar lifted up that way. His Gandhi moment, inspired/directed by, and then ultimately Supported by an Angel. And it was funny, too. ("I really want to stay down, I REALLY do....")

  • April 26, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Baltar's Perfection Theology

    by chromedome

    Not Christian, by any means. Christianity teaches that God loves us despite our imperfections, forgives them. Many find this hard to accept--the more they believe, the more unworthy they find themselves--Forgiveness Theology does not teach that one becomes worthy, but that worthiness is not even a factor: "God's grace rains down on the just and the unjust"--pretty basic, not just Christian teaching.<p>Baltar's Perfection Theology is either, as someone said, redefining what "perfect" means: God created you as you are, so stop worrying and questioning... Or, he is saying his followers ARE perfect--I don't think this last is likely: his "sermon" started with noting how flawed he himself is....

  • April 26, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    forgive this long post:

    by chromedome

    Daniel Chapter 7<p> <p>7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters. <p> 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. <p> 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. <p>7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. <p> 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. <p>7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. <p> 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. <p>7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. <p> 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. <p> 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. <p> 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. <p> 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. <p> 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. <p> 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. <p> 7:15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. <p> 7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things. <p> 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. <p> 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. <p>7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; <p> 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. <p> 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; <p> 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. <p>7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. <p> 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. <p> 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. <p> 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. <p>7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. <p> 7:28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    She did manifest into full physical, visible presence (not prefe

    by chromedome

    stupid spell check fixin thing.... careful with them right-clicks, folks

  • April 26, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Has his own little Pah-Wraith cult going. I doubt there will be any more DS9 parallels this season. (Sarcasm)

  • April 26, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Kind of a throw-away episode

    by Gozu

    Last week's was probably the best of the season so far, this was easily the worst. Oh well, they can't all be winners.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Are you referring to the episode where six was on board galactica and everyone could see here and she accused Baltar of spying/collusion and then disappeared? If so, was it ever confirmed that she was actually the in-head six? That being said, I guess there have also been times where she's lifted Gaius by the tie,or grabbed his hands, and tickled him when he was in the MRI machine... Come to think of it, I guess she's manifested lots of times. I guess I always counted those as possible in-head experiences as well. Anyway, interesting stuff.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Photo of Final Five

    by Mister-Neil

    Hi - Checkout photo of final five with D'Anna Biers.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by chromedome<p>may be better sources, other translations--this was just the first googly link... :-)

  • April 26, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Chief's Hallucinated Adama rant:

    by chromedome

    referred to his son as a human-cylon abomination....<p>also appeared to be a revelatory moment for him, like he had just realized it.......

  • April 26, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Mister Neil: thanks--had forgotten about that pic

    by chromedome

    seeing it again, now, I notice with interest that almost none of them seem to be the Four we know--you could extrapolate a Tigh out of one of them, maybe. Probably "placeholder" people for the scene.<p>More interesting to me anyway, is that the one on the right seems a bit gray rather than white in his attire. Probably just a lighting thing they later fixed in post, but interesting anyway...

  • April 26, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I think those are extreas. One kinda looks like Tigh, one kinda like chief, people used to say that th ey saw Cally in this pic. There's definitely no Tori or Anders though. Some have also said that the one all the way to the left looks like Lee. Still, I think these are stand-ins.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I think those are extreas. One kinda looks like Tigh, one kinda like chief, people used to say that they saw Cally in this pic. There's definitely no Tori or Anders though. Some have also said that the one all the way to the left looks like Lee. Still, I think these are stand-ins.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Double post!

    by secretcylon


  • April 26, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Baltar's Perfection Theology & Tigh's Quest for Forgiveness

    by chromedome

    INTERESTING--I just realized: parallel paths there.<p> Baltar has expressed in the past that he would be glad to learn he was a cylon ("all my sins forgiven") and has now found/created his own absolution: "God Made Me What I Am. I am Worthy and Perfect" This is all to address his own guilt and shame, a path to redemption.<p>Tigh is struggling with NEWFOUND guilt--his sins are "worsened" by his new knowledge of himself as a cylon, and he cannot reconcile it. He is desperate for clarity and absolution, while wallowing in guilt and shame.<p>Both Gaius and Sol have let their own sense of shame/guilt/worthiness impede them, block them. Gaius has found a way past that, a more direct connection to God, and Sol is now seeking the same thing<p> And they are all trying to find Earth.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    All right I'll admit it....

    by J-Dizzle

    This episode was a little weird. I hope RDM and co know where they're going with this. So long as Baltar isn't made a hero or martyr, I'm happy. That slimy git needs to die!

  • April 26, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Real, Amazing Robotics

    by chromedome

    watch the whole thing--just incredible:<p>

  • April 26, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Explain the Invisible Six

    by wintocha67

    She's really there, all this time, it's just that everyone else is programmed to ignore her. Nothing else could possibly explain her lifting Baltar.

  • April 26, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I don't know if you're familiar with DS9 or not but on that show there was a character similar to Gaius named Gull Dukat (spelling?). For a couple of seasons, they kind of let you think that Dukat was becoming a good guy, only to swing him back to full evil in the last half of the last season. He even had his own little cult and had sex w/the women. As BSG has followed DS9's patterns on many occasions, I wouldn't be surprised if this is what happens...

  • April 26, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Tigh and Six?

    by EBF

    That would be fun. That would be interesting...

  • April 26, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    It will be fun. And it will be VERY interesting...

  • April 26, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    The chief has gotten really fat.

    by MrInsidious

    For not having a lot of resources amongst the fleet and always working, chief has gotten supa fat. I wonder if he has a stash of twinks up a cylon snitch.

  • April 26, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Dirty Hands sucked

    by Zoltan_Abbassid

    They needed to make an episode like that, but the ending was very trite. I thought I had fallen asleep halfway through and then a rerun of the West Wing came on in the background while I was dreaming and it warped the storyline. On the other hand, I thought last night's episode was fantastic. In fact, I'd rank it among the top 10 BSG episodes.

  • April 26, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    Katee Sackoff

    by samsquanch

    is sweaty because she looks good sweaty. And not sweaty.

  • April 26, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Hail to the chief

    by There Are Twelve Models

    Tyrol's drunken rant is clearly a prelude to his getting back with Boomer. Boomer's anti-human, traitorous escapades with elderly Cavil will come to an end as soon as Tyrol sweeps her into his pudgy arms. They can swap robotic kisses in between rocking the cradle of Callie's baby. Poor, Cylon-hating Callie. If only she knew the Cylon she murdered would reunite with her Cylon husband to raise her half-Cylon child.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Y'know, I was stoked after seeing this week's episode

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Then I came to this week's AICN TB and was deflated. I can't believe so many of you thought this was a bad and/or boring episode. <BR><BR>Me, I believe that BSG is on a run of the best four consecutive episodes of the entire series. This last season is shaping up to be some of the most idiosyncratic, daring and creative work ever produced for television. As some of you already know, I have had some nitpicky gripes along the way, but--damn--this season has me mesmerized.<BR><BR>And Mary McDonnell BETTER win an emmy for her dynamic and multi-layered performance. She and Olmos are eviscerating my heart. The final days of Roslin's dying will be absolutely traumatic (and the intimations of her mortality are being brilliantly handled this time around). This is the deepest, best writing and acting on tv, folks. Fearless television.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Great Episode: Haters frak off!

    by Stormwatcher

    Go watch 2 men and a fat kid. Or Jackoff Jim or whatever frak you like. Give me Lost and this and Dexter and NO you don't have the write to bitch about them.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by J-Dizzle

    Don't worry, I'm very familiar with RDM's work on DS9. The Dominion war was the best part of the entire series (apart from the WTF moment where Dukat turns into a Bajoran). I see the parallels between Dukat and Baltar, but I'm not going to compare them just yet for 2 key reasons: 1) Dukat kicks more arse as a character; 2) Dukat would kick the living shit out of Baltar any day of the week.

  • April 26, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    secretcylon... again

    by J-Dizzle

    On a side note, Tory also needs to die. Ever since she became a cylon she's become more and more annoying with each episode. Tigh needs to put a bullet in her head before she becomes too much of a liability.

  • April 26, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Agree on all of your points. Beware, there are more DS9 parallels coming. Here's a fun blog comparing DS9 and BSG in depth (sorry I don't know how to use tiny url) Also, here's a link to the BSG open but with DS9 ftg instead. It's pretty well done:

  • April 26, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    The Seventh Model

    by NoHubris

    Good stuff regarding the 7th model, Razorback and Chromedome. Really nice, catch.<p>If the seventh model really is different from the others, but not part of the five, Roslin IS a definite possibility IMHO. That would certainly explain her natural inclination to "airlock" the other models -- making it a "you are a disgrace to your own kind" kind of thing.<p>Your take on the seventh model opens up a whole new ball game (could've even made a whole Season 5). Maybe the seventh model has his/her own basestar or fleet of basestars with only sevens on board?<p>Hey, Wnanahara7.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    The Seventh Model

    by NoHubris

    Good stuff regarding the 7th model, Razorback and Chromedome. Really nice, catch.<p>If the seventh model really is different from the others, but not part of the five, Roslin IS a definite possibility IMHO. That would certainly explain her natural inclination to "airlock" the other models -- making it a "you are a disgrace to your own kind" kind of thing.<p>Your take on the seventh model opens up a whole new ball game (could've even made a whole Season 5). Maybe the seventh model has his/her own basestar or fleet of basestars with only sevens on board?<p>Hey, Wnanahara7.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    IMHO Baltar's sermon seemed to say that BECAUSE he was made by the one true God, he is perfect. The sermon seem to speak to(1)the destiny of the human race in the BSG universe (i.e. acting on their perfection such as casting aside the gods of the 12 colonies) and (2) the power of the one true God to make things perfect - perfection despite the current chaos.<p>BTW apologies for the prior double post.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Enough with BSG vs Lost already!

    by br1947

    You want good tv, they are BOTH GREAT TV! It's like someone handed you a brand new Ferarri AND a brand new Aston Martin after you're used to driving a 1989 Geo Metro and all you want to do it bitch about which one is better rather than enjoy both. I'm all for bitching and debating stuff, but when you're talking about two shows that are both of such high quality and far beyond what we're used to on tv, the only difference really comes down to personal opinion.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Tom Zarek is the final Cylon

    by br1947

  • April 26, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Alright, I'm lazy

    by Stevie Grant

    and I haven't read the entire TB, but what does ^ hoisting Baltar up mean in regards to her being an angel/demon/implant/hallucination?

  • April 26, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    by Stevie Grant

    by "^" I meant "6"

  • April 26, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Illuminating interview

    by catfishdave

    I found a wonderful interview with Katee Sackhoff, Michael Hogan, and Ronald D Moore, and it has a lot of insight into the final season, including a lot of upcoming plot points. All I can say is that I'm never gonna give up on Galactica, no matter how crytpic it all gets. Anyway, here is the interview :

  • April 26, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    RickRolled!!! Damn you!!! lol!

  • April 26, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Stevie Grant:

    by GregoryHarbin

    It very much enforces my assertion that Head Six is an angel. It is AWESOME that she's able to actually influence reality like she did. Can't wait to see what else the angels can do.

  • April 26, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    thanks greg

    by Stevie Grant

  • April 26, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Strabo, Isn't it possible that Mr. Moore...

    by jgmamma0

    is intentionally lying to his viewers? And, if he is telling the truth, in the Last Supper painting, Lee is the closest to the place where the 12th cylon would be. There has been something with Lee that has always been a little off compared to the other characters. I guess we will see.

  • April 26, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    gotham_night re: Lee at Baltar's service

    by secretcylon

    Didn't Lee just reinstate the right to assembly? I think he just got finished telling Baltar it was okay for him to go inside and then Baltar starts preaching and Lee is still kind of hanging around.

  • April 26, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    And I'm kickin' it old skool -- I'm made out of shiny metal / chrome / plastic, and I have a red eye that bounces back and forth, and I talk like a Vocorder, and I have to religious pretensions, I'm just a killah robot with an agenda -- TO WIPE OUT THE HUMAN RACE!!! BIDI BIDI BIDI!!! HEY BUCK!!! BIDI BIDI BIDI!! OOPS!!! WRONG BAD EARLY 80s SCI FI SHOW. Whatever happened to Gil Gerard anyway? Did his chest hair become sentient and strangle him or something?

  • April 26, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST


    by LaserPants

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    by LaserPants


  • April 26, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST


    by catfishdave

    Sorry, Secretcylon, I couldn't resist, and I found this forum to be suitable for a good RickRollin'! Apologies for any inconvenience, and I hope you grinned when the video started :)

  • April 26, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    "Why is Lee at Baltar's service?"

    by Alientoast

    I think he was there because he asked Rosalyn if she had been to one of them, but he had not yet as of that point either. One thought of mine is he probably wants to see if Baltar legitimately believes what he is preaching.

  • April 27, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    that s*** was hilarious. It kept jumping around the screen then forced me to hit return through all of the lyrics. We're all asking for it here. Good times.

  • April 27, 2008, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Lee was there only because

    by chromedome

    he had just stopped the beat-down

  • April 27, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    When is this happening?

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Past, present, or future? Maybe our present, but most likely in our future. Definitely not our past because of the Watchtower song.<p> And also because of this - That's a fighter squadron plaque in the pilots briefing room on board Galactica.<p> Aces N' Eights, a reference to Earth playing cards and Wild Bill Hickock. Cocksuckers.

  • April 27, 2008, 12:24 a.m. CST

    And the final Cylon is...

    by The Last Dodo

    ...Patrick Duffy! You heard it here first, ladies and gentlemen! Look for a repeat of the famous ending scene from Dallas to round off BSG's last season! Why, you ask? Because Ron Moore abandoned all pretense of a plot when he started the whole New Caprica crap a couple of years ago.

  • April 27, 2008, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Five who serve the one...

    by NoHubris

    ...could mean that there is a 13th (connected to Earth or the 13th tribe in some manner), which could allow for a 7th, but different Cylon, to make sense.<p>If there is a 13th Cylon, the Final Five would have to be numbers 9 to 13 rather than 7, 9,10, 11 and 12.<p>Not promoting it as a theory. Just a possibility.

  • April 27, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST

    It could be the past if...

    by NoHubris

    ...the Watchtower song and Aces N' Eights are carried over somehow from a previous "All this has happened before" cycle.

  • April 27, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Lee and Baltar

    by secretcylon

    I just mis-read one of my own posts but it made me realize something. Why is it that Lee is always coming to Baltars aid? WEll maybe not always but he did go out of his way to defend him in court, he protected his right to assemble/oreach, I'm too tired to think of other instances but I bet there are some...

  • April 27, 2008, 2:42 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon


  • April 27, 2008, 5:12 a.m. CST

    I need to frak. I need to frak hard!!!

    by Han Cholo

    Just can't get over that laugh inducing scene last week. Frak me now!! I just want to frak.

  • April 27, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    InHead Ellen was...

    by Underdogthe3rd

    ... yuck! Old people, man.

  • April 27, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Cancer Cure...

    by Oldnewbie

    Was it the blood of the unborn child that ride Roslyn of the cancer or the embryonic fluid?? If the blood, why then not take a little and inject it??

  • April 27, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Twas another good epiosde

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Psuedo religeous claptrap and everything. <p> What with my man, Tigh getting the shit beaten out of him by Six? All good stuff!

  • April 27, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Better than the Cally Episode

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I HATE it when TV shows have an episode about someone losing it or becoming a drug addict or whatever out of left field. There was no set-up at all for Cally's meltdown. Geez devote a couple episode's worth of sub plot before you flush the girl out into space for pete's sake. <p>Plus it WAS corny when she was "bugging out". Seems to me pretty unlikely that the circumstances surrounding her death wouldn't be considered suspicious ... They should have showed what the explanation/cover up was.<p>And yes, any episode that doesn't have the line (or lines like it) "I just want to frak" is always a cut above, in my book.

  • April 27, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Battlestar Galactica 4.4: Still Sucks, Even After All of These Y

    by kenichi tanaka

    As always, this latest episode was the worst one yet. This series has been one disappointment after another and I'll be selling off my Battlestar Galactica DVD sets on eBay because there's no way I would consider purchasing the fourth season sets at all.<br><br> Ron Moore has successfully destroyed one of the best shows ever through his envisioning process and destroyed fans hopes of the final season being the best of them all.<br><br> It seems like Moore has tossed out the scriptwritiing for this season and just told the cast to use inprovization.

  • April 27, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    kenichi tanaka

    by secretcylon

    I know it's hard to accept or excuse, from what I've seen these first 10 episodes are all about putting the chess pieces in place for the final 10. That doesn't excuse anything. An episode should be entertaining on its own merits. I've liked the season so far but I could see how one wouldn't. That being said, I can pretty much guarantee that starting with the next episode, things will start ratcheting up pretty quickly. There's a ponderous tone to the first few eps that will disappear. These next few episodes should start to put things right for you.

  • April 27, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    "AS ALWAYS, this... episode was the worst one yet"

    by chromedome

    exaggerate much?<p>If EVERY new episode has ALWAYS been so much more terrible and qualifies as "the worst one yet", then why watch at all, much less buy three seasons worth of dvds.<p>Seriously, why waste your time, then? Really, just let it go, don't watch anymore--how long does it take you to decide something is not right for you, anyway?

  • April 27, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    BSG: Pretty Good Despite Taking Itself WAY Too Seriously

    by LaserPants

    I like BSG, but the sense of gravitas the show drowns in is, at times, unintentionally hilarious.

  • April 27, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST

    LOST: Pretty Empty And Pointless Despite All Efforts

    by LaserPants

    LOST had a good premise. A good premise that would have been better handled as a 6 episode miniseries on cable. Not an epic length soap opera digression that goes nowhere, signifies nothing, and leaves one feeling like they were duped into seeing a deeper meaning that was never there to begin with. JJ Abrams being, without a doubt, one of the most overrated purveyors of genre entertainments ever.

  • April 27, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    THE WIRE: Better Than Both By Far

    by LaserPants

    Best tv show in history. Please come back soon. THE WIRE: PHILADELPHIA. It needs to happen.

  • April 27, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    chromedome re: "worst one yet"

    by secretcylon

    I remember an interview with Terry Jones from Monty Python (I think it was Terry). He said that when ever Python came out with a new season of Flying Circus, people would always say that it wasn't as good as the last one. Then when they put out The Holy Grail, people said it wasn't as good as the TV series. Then, when they put out Life Of Brian, people said it wasn't as good as The Holy Grail,etc. He then said that comedy seems to always work better in retrospect. I think we may have a case of that here.not that the old stuff is actually better, it's just that people develop a nostalgia for something, or it takes them a while to accept something. Once a band or show exists for a while, people tend to develop their own ideas as to how thing s should play out only to be disappointed. I'm going on and on here. I'm sure you get the point.

  • April 27, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    You Quit Taking Me Seriously?!

    by LaserPants

    Oh dear god, how will I ever recover? If only I had a clue about anything.

  • April 27, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by Valaquenta

    Your interpretation sounds good. I was thinking that, because Baltar started by acknowledging his own glaring imperfections (AA style) then referred to the "spark" inside, he was referring to the soul (whatever that may be) as being "perfect," and not his exterior, tarnished self. The Baltarians' inner selves are what God loves and what they're told they must dig deeply to find. Not sure, though, what they're supposed to do once they find it - be merely content without changing, bring forward that inner spark for the good of all (either by converting others, or by doing good deeds), separate from the heathens in the rest of the fleet, or fight them? Might some of them become "terrorists"?

  • April 27, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Secretcylon: Yes, I get your point, and...

    by chromedome

    do not disagree in principle at all, sir. However, when the headline is "Still Sucks..." and the post is "As always, each episode is the worst ever...." well, that is not, IMHO, what you were describing.<p>I also agree with you that folks looking for a lot of action might have to wait a bit for the set-up, but a LOT of plot and character development is happening in every episode so far. There will be splosions later for those who measure quality by them, but damn if this is not an intense and interesting season so far, with no reason at all to be concerned about a let-down in our future....

  • April 27, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I'm with Le Vicious Fishus on this episode. Having just now watched it, I cannot for the life of me figure out how any of you can think that this episode was lousy. Quite frankly, I feel that it was better than last week's (which I enjoyed) and it almost felt like a more logical successor to the first two eps of this season. The only difference being that something horrible and tragic (Cally's death) did not occur. Which brings me to this thought:<P>More and more I'm getting the feeling that a lot of you (not all but some) expect more action out of this show (more space battles, Fleet jumps and such). It's more than a little odd because it's never been what this show is about. But as a consequence, I sense that you're getting unnecessarily bored. And if that's the case, then it's kind of a shame. Because when I think of everything that was set in motion this week (ooohhh and some of it was oh so subtle!), it's exciting to think about how all the pieces on the board are now in motion.<P>How could you not enjoy and UNDERSTAND Adama's & Roslin's discussion/decision with what to do with Baltar? And how great was that little one-on-one with Roslin and Baltar?! Watching those two polar opposites together is always riveting.<P>Knowing what we know about Tyrol, how can you not enjoy that INTENSE scene between Chief Tyrol and Adama?! Holy shit! I almost thought Tyrol was gonna confess to the world that he's a Cylon.<P>How can you not enjoy the subtle interplay between the members of the Four? What was it that Tyrol sensed from Tory? The acknowledgement of it by Tigh is crucial as he tries to make sense over what they are to do with themselves.<P>How can you not be mesmerized by the meetings between Tigh and Six? She's got one of the Final Five staring her in the face!!! Anything can and appears to be happening!<P>And last but not least, how can you not enjoy and be FLOORED by the seeming revelation that the In-Head Six can interact with the real world? Watching Baltar get mysteriously lifted off the ground (lookin like a string puppet) is probably our FIRST REAL CLUE as to the nature of the In-Head Six - as well as Starbuck's In-Head Leoben.<P>Now, maybe it's just me, but I thought this episode was really good. It was an episode built on dialog, questions, mystery, and subtle reveals. I believe stuff is happening, amigos. We just need to pay attention and watch the pieces as they move.

  • April 27, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    Baltar's "made perfect by God" message promotes a change in direction for humanity. Storming the worship ceremony of the gods, destorying their religious icons and lambasting Zeus indicates that Baltar leading a no holds barred revolution.

  • April 27, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Regarding LOST vs. BSG

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I'm a fan of both of these shows. I'm committed to watching them both to the very end. However, my current issue with LOST seems to be the fact that I find it so far removed from where they first started. As more has been revealed, I find myself not pleased with what they're telling me. That's not to say that I don't find the show compelling...which I still do. However, I feel the show is getting more goofy as it moves along. And sometimes, they treat their characters like idiots.<P>I don't find this to be the case with BSG. Sure, the religious mysticism aspect is the one questionable element to the shows earlier foundations. But it has always been there. And yes, sometimes major characters tend to go off the deepend or get pushed to the background for other second-tier development. But all in all, I find it to be much more consistent tone-wise and more believable in its overall choices.

  • April 27, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    Baltar's levitation is being discussed over in the Zone. IMHO it was so very public that conversations about it should spread through the fleet like wild fire.<p>It was a transformational moment for Baltar and add many new followers. What Roslin feared (Baltar as a powerful religious leader) should now occur based on that incident.

  • April 27, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Religious mysticism

    by NoHubris

    Based on this last episode, it seems to be there for Baltar. This is how he ultimately takes power IMHO.

  • April 27, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by chromedome

    YES--Tyrol with Adama was GREAT!! "You never asked the Right Questions!" In a season where ANYTHING can happen, I was expecting that he might just lose it right there. And the "abomination" comment from the imagined Adama seemed to trigger something in Chief.<p>We learn more and more about the Four, the InHeads, Sol grappling with guilt and new self-identity, Baltar arriving at his solution to those same problems (with the help of an Angel Of God, no less--possibly). <p>And Roslyn telling Baltar that her impending death has freed her from certain rules and constraints was such a superb piece of writing and acting.<p>Damn the 'splosions! Full Story Speed Ahead!

  • April 27, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Hey Hubie!!

    by chromedome

    yup--lots of people saw that "levitation"<p>Adama and Roslyn, and then Roslyn again in the Quorum session described exactly what they feared most would happen--and then it happened. <p>riveting, splosion-free storytelling.

  • April 27, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    NoHubris and Chromedome!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Frakkin' A.<P>Roslin is frightened. And no matter how much of a now hardened bitch she may appear to be, no one knows better the potential threat/danger Baltar poses to the Fleet. And whether Baltar's actions are truly good or bad remains to be seen...but we definitely know her and Adama's feelings on the subject.<P>Adama and Tyrol...damn. Just damn. Like I said last week, Cally's death will = Tyrol unleashed. He's going to a dark, dark place.

  • April 27, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    MNG gets a five minute major for excessive

    by chrth

    capitalization.<p> Quick question for the assembled: did Tory's spine glow when she bopped Baltar?

  • April 27, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Damn you...where have you been?! (And what's a "five minute major"?)<P>Ummm...the capitalization. Sorry about that. I was just trying to drive my points home.<P>I don't know whether we can honestly say that Tory's spine glowed while boffing Baltar. She seems to prefer the missionary position...

  • April 27, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    But I don't think Tory will be crying during the act

    by chromedome

    anymore.... She seems to have embraced the darkness.<p>Tyrol's Tirade was a huge reveal on other levels, too: he had told Lee in that same bar that he never had second thoughts about Boomer, but now openly admits to being miserable without her, and with Cally. Who knew!<p>And, is there any significance to the commonality of letter in Tory and Tyrol?<p>I want to use a LOT MORE CAPS in this post, but was afraid of CHRTH'S PENALTY BOX ;-)

  • April 27, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    BSG (and LOST)

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I liked BSG better than Lost after the first seasons. But since then - not that it hasn't faltered on occasion - Lost has been better. <p>Maybe I should re-watch season 1 of BSG to make sure but I think it was more coherent and neatly done then. There's just so much philosophizing on the show sometimes. I really feel like they often don't have a handle on the "show don't tell" rule of thumb. It's too bad but I feel like they've kind of mucked it up. It may be that my affection for the show helped me get over all the inconsistencies before, but with the horrible ending to season 3, I can't let them coast anymore. <p>With Lost, the beginning of season 3 was a bit much to take but they fairly quickly recovered. Now that show is just getting cooler and cooler. It's weird, because I thought BSG could go on indefinitely and they ended up running out of room, and I thought Lost couldn't possibly go more than two or three seasons, but they've successfully expanded the reality of the show.

  • I believe that the final Cylon will be Zarek. I believe that Roslin will die. I doubt they go with the same type of magical cure as last time. I really believe that she will pass away. With her gone in comes Mr. Vice President to be the new leader. He is simply biding his time. Yes, I remember him giving up his seat before when Baltar left New Caprica to be with the Cylons. He knew that in due time he could take over. Just planning his work.<p>That is my guess. Just a guess.

  • April 27, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    This was an amazing episode

    by performingmonkey

    Eddie James Olmos directed his ass off here and delivered a brutally dark character-based episode featuring some of the best acting EVER on the show. I hate reading some of the comments on here because it proves that half of you don't enjoy watching the show the same way I do, all you're doing is looking at your frakking watches throughout. Get a grip, we're in the middle of a legendary television show.

  • April 27, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST


    by Legalsax

    I prefer depth to shows that I waste my valuable time on. In fact this is the first talk back I've posted to since the final episode of Six Feet Under. I've been trying sort out this last season BSG and was wowed by this week's episode. As it would happen, this was the reading this morning at my church (mainline Episcopal)and I was actually blown away: ACTS 17:22-34 22 Then Paul stood up at the Areopagus and said: "You Athenians, I see that in every respect you are very religious. 23 For as I walked around looking carefully at your shrines, I even discovered an altar inscribed, 'To an Unknown God.' What therefore you unknowingly worship, I proclaim to you. 24 The God who made the world and all that is in it, the Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in sanctuaries made by human hands, 25 nor is he served by human hands because he needs anything. Rather it is he who gives to everyone life and breath and everything. 26 He made from one the whole human race to dwell on the entire surface of the earth, and he fixed the ordered seasons and the boundaries of their regions, 27 so that people might seek God, even perhaps grope for him and find him, though indeed he is not far from any one of us. 28 For 'In him we live and move and have our being,' as even some of your poets have said, 'For we too are his offspring.' 29 Since therefore we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the divinity is like an image fashioned from gold, silver, or stone by human art and imagination. 30 God has overlooked the times of ignorance, but now he demands that all people everywhere repent 31 because he has established a day on which he will 'judge the world with justice' through a man he has appointed, and he has provided confirmation for all by raising him from the dead." 32 When they heard about resurrection of the dead, some began to scoff, but others said, "We should like to hear you on this some other time." 33 And so Paul left them. 34 But some did join him, and became believers. Among them were Dionysius, a member of the Court of the Areopagus, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

  • April 27, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I agree with you completel and the point of my post was to agree. with you. I was just pointing out that there seems to be some kind of pattern where people don't like "the new stuff." But as you say, when people say "terrible as usual" or "still sucks," it leads back to that question of why do they watch? Why do they post here? I'm pretty positive that you will never find me posting on a talkback for a show that I don't like. Anyway, my friend is coming over to watch season3. He's a major DS9 guy who's now catching up on BSG.

  • April 27, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    secretcylon--we are in synch!

    by chromedome

    yup, seems like a lot of people (suddenly?) don't like the thoughtful, deep, character driven story of BSG--makes one wonder what they thought they were watching up til now...<p>Have fun re watching S3! I just got thru it last week, getting my wife caught up. She was MAD AS HELL when Starbuck went into the Maelstrom, and almost wouldn't watch it anymore.<p>Finally got to watch Razor, too, (waited for her to catch up) and man, that old school Hybrid guy was creepy (and cool)--was great seeing the old school cylons and hearing a "by your command" again, too.... Still prefer the new BSG by about a billion light years, though!

  • April 27, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST


    by chrth

    "five minute major" is a hockey penalty term. Used in casual conversation to indicate an egregious foul :)<p> As for where I've been, well, I just haven't been anywhere much online as late. And since BSG is the only show I watch that there's a TB for, and since I rarely am able to watch BSG "live", I haven't been here much.<p> As for spine-glowing, Sam had an opportunity for spine-glowing too -- several times, I think, over the past few seasons. I suspect either: a) TPTB forgot about the whole spine-glowing thing, or b) knew there'd be an issue if they had the final five glow so they're working on some sort of "final five don't glow" angle

  • April 27, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Callie out the airlock

    by Napoleon Park

    I watched the rerun of the Walken SNL this week and, wow, they totally ripped 'Callie out the airlock' off from "Laser Cats 3-D".

  • April 27, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Gotham Night: BITE your FRAKKIN tongue!

    by chromedome

    Don't give the suited twits at scifi any ideas!

  • April 27, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    chrth gets a gross misconduct...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...for misinterpreting the rules. No one bled from MNG's overuse of the Caps Lock nor were there any other major injuries, hence he could have only received a double minor at the most. Enjoy your suspension chrth, be sure and read the rulebook while you're on it. :D<p> About Chief's marriage. I don't think it was bad at all, at least not until the nebula when Cally started going schitzo. All marriages have their ups and downs sure, but for the most part they showed them as a very normal and happy couple.<p> I think what we were seeing was Chief attempting to alleviate some of the sorrow and guilt he was feeling over her death. He ran through a laundry list of a bunch of little things that probably bugged him about Cally and completely ignored what he loved about her. By focusing on the negative things, he was trying to talk himself into hating her, and by hating her he didn't have to mourn her anymore. And believe me, when a friend or family member commits suicide all kinds of irrational stuff goes through your head like that. And unfortunately I'm talking from experience here.

  • April 27, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    About glowing spines...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Sorry, but this is one of the very few things about this show that I actually find to be quite stupid. Really a stupid gimmick that is somehow supposed to tie the skinjobs into the Centurions, except you can only see when they are having an orgasm? Moronic 13 year old fan fic garbage.<p>

  • April 27, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Wait, So Frak Is The Way Spacemen Say Fuck, Right?

    by LaserPants

    Hey, how come those spacemen wear fashions and uniforms from circa 2008 Earth? And how come the Cylons ship looks like a retro-chic new wave disco? ITS A FRAKIN MYSTERY!!! HOLY FRAKIN SHET!!! FRAKIN' A!!! ITS A FRAKIN FRAKFEST IN HERE!!! I"M GWANNA FRAK MY GIRLFRIEND IN THE REAR THRUSTERS!!! SHE"S GWANNA BE LIKE "FRAK YEAH!!! FRAK MY REAR THRUSTERS HARDER!!! FRAK EM DEEPER!!! FRAK YEAH!!! FRAKIN' FRAK!!!" <br><br> C-O-R-N-Y! I Iike the show though, I really do. Corny, overwrought, melodramatic bits and all. Its a good show. I like it. Its good. Good.

  • April 27, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    I Get That, Gotham_Night, I Still Think Its Hokey

    by LaserPants

    So the cultural zeitgeist of 2008 either predates human history on Earth, or is the ne-plus-ultra of Earth born human achievement? Yikes! Maybe its a multiverse thing. I'd find that easier to believe. Or maybe BSG will end on Earth and everyone will fly motorcycles.

  • April 27, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    just don't get me STARTED...

    by chromedome

    about Starbucks Hummer on Caprica.<p>PERVS! I meant her personal garaged vehicle, dammit.

  • April 27, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    How about STFU about...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...physical parallels to our Earth already? Because this hasn't been talked about yet or anything...big giant rolleyes smiley.

  • April 27, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Chromedome! MNG!

    by NoHubris

    Alot topics being discussed today, which is great (as long as no one brings up all my typos today).<p>Chromie, regarding Hummers. Need I remind you that Hummers were initially military vehicles? If they are our ancestors in BSG, then maybe the secret Hummer technology was passed down via military channels, which would make Starbuck's Caprica Hummer the original - often imitated but never duplicated. ;^)

  • April 27, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    An Original, Authentic Starbuck Hummer...

    by chromedome a thing much to be desired.

  • April 27, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    BSG's Greatest Strength

    by LaserPants

    Is that the demarcation between good and evil isn't so clearly and starkly drawn as it is in most genre shows. There is no real clear cut good guy and bad guys. By default you root for the humans, but the humans are hardly without sin. They're just as bad as their enemy, just as much to blame. Its definately a great show, I just think its unintentionally funny sometimes, that it tends to take itself a little too seriously other times, and that some elements are rather hokey. Still, I really like the show. Just want to make that clear, I'm not a hater.

  • April 27, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST


    by RaveX

    not "this" season. <p> every season.

  • April 27, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Final Cylon thoughts from a story teller point of view

    by ArianeB

    One way to approach a final cylon guess is from a story teller point of view. The last thing you want to do is create all this hype for a last cylon, then seriously disappoint your audience by 1) revealing someone that makes no sense (in a way they have already done that four times with the watchtowers) 2) revealing someone we barely know, which would be the case if it is a minor character like Duwalla, Gaetta, Racetrack, Hot Dog, or Seelix. 3) revealing someone who is dead who isnt an active participant in the last season. No, the only thing that makes sense if it is a major character, who has been heavily foreshadowed to possibly be one. That leaves Starbuck or Baltar. I suspect before one of these two are revealed, we will learn something new and unexpected about these 12 that will explain their nature. Maybe they are the 12 Lords of Kobol reincarnated, or something like that. It does not matter at this point. What we have is a prophet no one believes (Kara), and a arch prophet gaining followers (Gaius), and 10 "cylons" (or maybe not) confused as to what to do next.

  • April 28, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Tigh and Six

    by Anino

    I love the Tigh and Six dynamic. There seems to be a real empathy she has toward him, but it can also be some kind of subconscious adoration she has for him, because he is one of the Five. You notice how mixed her emotions seem to get when she's pummeling him. Could it be that in her programming she helps others learn who they are, even if she doesn't know explicitly if they're Cylons? And could she be turning to Tigh now that she's aleady put Baltar on his path to destiny?

  • April 28, 2008, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Baltar vs. the gods

    by NoHubris

    It is notable that In-Head Six tells Baltar that a man who takes on the gods would be god-like himself.

  • April 28, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Here's why Lee is the final Cylon

    by Anino

    Because he is not really Adama's son. As an infant, Bill Adama switched him with his real son, Bodie Olmos aka Hotdog. This is why I'm not a screenwriter. But I can get you a cup of coffee.

  • April 28, 2008, 1:45 a.m. CST


    by just get real

    Do I go with "The Wolf" coffee? Lots of cream, lots of sugar? Or maybe I should go with the "de-cracker-nated", ala Chaka Luther King.

  • April 28, 2008, 2 a.m. CST


    by IAmMovieMaster

    Where the heck has he been since season 1????

  • April 28, 2008, 2:27 a.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    i dont believe it was ever established that SIX knows that TIGH is one of the final five.

  • April 28, 2008, 4:33 a.m. CST

    if tigh's a cylon

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    why can't he kick six's ass? tori had superhuman strength.

  • April 28, 2008, 5:33 a.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    It was all a dream.

  • April 28, 2008, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Excuse Me, EveryFRAKIN'body Is A Cylon

    by LaserPants


  • April 28, 2008, 5:38 a.m. CST

    slkboxrman - Six does'nt know

    by The Shyster

    I just rewatched the ep, and she says specifically "we were desinged after you". Meaning the only way she could know he was a toaster, is if he was numbered BEFORE her, and we know that's not the case (he's 7, 9, 10, 11,or 12).... unless the cylon's built them and gave them numbers out of order just to be dicks about it. =P

  • April 28, 2008, 6:24 a.m. CST

    ArianeB - There is a pattern to the Watchtower Four

    by The Shyster

    As I've said before, fate brought them into crucial positions in life.<br> <br> Tigh - Adama's best friend & XO of the ship. He is around him and has more access to him than anyone.<br> <br> Tyrol - Not only is he the force that has kept Galactica afloat for nearly 2 years now, but her birds as well. No one has better access & knowledge when it comes to him, hands down. AND on top of that, don't forget he is still the Union boss of the Colonial work force, per last season.<br> <br> Tory - President Rosilin's right hand advisor, no one has more access to her than Tory. Reinforced by the fact that Billy died, and fate deemed that he was not meant to be in that position later on in the story of Galactica.<br> <br> Anders - while being the most expendable, he is still Kara thrace's husband, and it seems he was fated to be by her side in her role as the savior (or destroyer) of the human race. Not to mention the fact, he may also have been fated to have been part of the battle over the Jupiter nebula and his unintentional communication with the Cylon raiders is the only thing that kept the fleet alive. Whether or not he will remain by Kara's side remains to be seen, for he may be the fail-safe against her, fueled by the scorn & jealously generated by her undying affection for Lee Adama.<br> <br> All of that said, if you subscribe to the fact that all four were sleepers to watch over the Fifth Cylon, then list would go something like this:<br> <br> Tigh = Bill Adama<br> Tyrol = Galactica (for all you conspiracy theroists out there ;)<br> Tory = Laura Roslin<br> Anders = Kara Thrace<br> Whic hare all sound theories, but would prove RDM as a master huckster, considering that he has discounted anyone in the Last Supper picture (and yes, Galactica herself is in the pic)<br> <br> Unless he's just jerking our collective chain for the sake of the story ;)

  • April 28, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Getting hard to watch

    by Dazzler69

    Boy this series turned pretty miserable. Not too much fun anymore. You need some missions to get through all the heavy drama week to week which I thought they would do. I thought the Cylon civil war might keep me interested but no go there either. Glad it's the last season. I will stick with it to finish it out but it won't be a priority to watch anymore, not with Who back.

  • April 28, 2008, 6:59 a.m. CST

    That, or the 4 all have a connecting thread to the 5th Cylon

    by The Shyster

    That would make the 5th Cylon either Lee Adama or Gaius Baltar.<br> <br> Throwing away all the previous theories, and subscribing to RDM's quote about the last supper pic, then story-wise, and for sheer GRAVITAS, no one is a better pick than Tom Zarek. No question.

  • April 28, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    More Mr. Nice gaius!

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Wassup MNG! <p> I, too, was wondering where your posts were at. Like myself, you must have had a long DC weekend. Hope you get a chance to see 2001 in 70mm at the AFI this week. Also, heads up, Blade Runner TFC will be there starting this weekend for ONE WEEK ONLY! I caught it at the Uptown back in December and it was the TITS! <p> But I digress. <p> BSG just gets better and better. All meat, no filler. Screw the kids who want to see 'splosions and Tie Fighters. Clone Wars will be out for their ilk soon enough. Ellen-Six was fucking awesome. And Baltar's "levitation" is going to translate into some kind of Miracle. Just you wait! <p> I knew the feed was going to be abbreviated, so I didn't even bother. We were told so. So quitchyerbitchin already. Even so, that was a bad call on SciFi's part. Like circumscision...there is no half way. Do it all or fucking forget it! "Do, or do not. There is no try" I once heard this short guy say. <p> And to Chromedome...Jesus just called asking if I knew a good Copyright attorney. Something about His book of Daniel and your post. I told him to give it a rest, please. Isn't Forgiveness one of your basis beliefs? He told me that, since the pedophile scandal, he's been a little tight in the wallet. I mean, have you SEEN the pope's red shoes? THE NERVE!!!

  • April 28, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    And another thing ...

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Is it just me or are BSG episodes getting loner and longer? I mean they feel like they never end. There was a time that the show was riveting and the episodes flew by (like most of Lost's episodes this season), but it gets bogged down so often now. I hope to god it gets on a a good run for the series end, as I feel like they're capable of.

  • April 28, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST


    by Anino

    Awesome name slkboxrman. ANYWAY, no, I didn't say Six knows that Tigh is a Cylon. What is possible is that she appears very empathetic with him, which could be some programming about herself she doesn't realize, because he's one of the five. Remember the Cylon raider that recognized Anders and turned back? It could be something like that, it's not necessarily explicit, it's something built in...the very nature of programming. Why do you think Anders never got killed on New Caprica by the skinjobs or the chromedomes? How did any of them survive? There could be something about the five that sparks something within the programming of other Cylons to not kill them, and maybe even have empathy toward them...and in the cases where they do harm the five, it's to bring something out in them. Get it?

  • April 28, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST

    thought this weeks episode was really strong

    by PVIII

    great dialogue, directing, and as per usual, Callis had a emmy-worthy perfomance. So far season 4 > 3.

  • April 28, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    no way -- s4 < s3 by a lot

    by emu47

    No way does this soporific melodrama beat the invasion of New Caprica. Season 3 rocked. I even thought the filler episodes were good. At least the drama was watchable. Jesus-Baltar bores me to frakkin' death. It's a total misfire so far, imo.

  • April 28, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    that is, with the exception of the boxing episode

    by emu47

    and Adama's moustache episode ... everything else, pretty good.

  • April 28, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Why does everyone hate the boxing episode? I thought it was fun and sad and poetic and a good way of covering the "lost" year on New Caprica.

  • April 28, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Boxing episode

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    It just ended really badly ... Contrived and silly, it's the epitome of how BSG gets bad when it gets bad.

  • April 28, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Boxing and New

    by Cobbio

    I, for one, also liked the boxing episode. It was a jarring but very human story about a blood-spattering ritual which helped heal lingering emotional wounds. I was really moved by its conclusion too. Count me among its admirers.<p> As for the latest ep... damn. This season is getting dark. I like it. The escalatingly harsh, almost surrealistic cross-cultural claustrophobia this season is making my heart pound. Religious divisions opening up, Baltar getting lifted (what the FUCK happened there?), Cylon models going to war with each other... it's exhilirating. Can't wait for more.

  • April 28, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Contrived and silly

    by secretcylon

    Maybe Hero, Woman King and A Day In The Life were silly, but I thought the boxing episode was sort of plausible. The military boxing each other isn't so out of left field is it? They're not going to be chased by Cylons every second of every day. One part that I will admit was goofy was Lee walking around shocked and in a daze on New Caprica when he gets his bad news, he looked kind of gayish and all sissy-like.

  • April 28, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Boxing contrived

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    It was just contrived in the sense that they contrived a way for Lee and Starbuck to have this bizarre (aka silly) "meaningful" interaction. Like a lot of stuff on the show that doesn't work, it doesn't sound so bad when you read it but it just comes off as trying too hard ...

  • April 28, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    The Boxing Episode

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Still don't know what it is about that episode that draws so much ire. It's one of the better stand alone/character episodes and has some truly memorable moments (not the least of which is a showdown between Adama and Tyrol - more relevant now than ever).<P>I'm of the opinion that A DAY IN THE LIFE and BLACK MARKET are the show's weakest moments.

  • April 28, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Kentucky Colonel

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Hail!<P>The weekend was indeed long. Managed to catch my first Nats game (vs. Cubs) at the new stadium in DC. Drank a few cocktails here and there, too.<P>Thanks for the heads-up on 2001 and BLADE RUNNER. I've never made it to the AFI but bigscreen presentations of those flicks do sound pretty sweet. I need to keep my eyes open for stuff like that!

  • April 28, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Hallucination Scene

    by NoHubris

    It was clearly a hallucination because while making the crude comment, Adama had his drink in his hand (with a full glass). Post hallucination the drink had not yet been served up by the bartender (he's still waiting). We see Adama finally receive his drink and then the other conversation takes place.<p>It was a nice touch by the writers.

  • April 28, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    It was a hallucination because Adama doesn't know that Tyrol's baby is a Cylon (I don't think) and he was there to be nice and comfort Tyrol,e tc.

  • April 28, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    for my part, I say boxing episode was bad b/c ...

    by emu47

    It was contrived, forced, and predictable. Oh, working out our problems in the ring ... oh, okay. I see. I mean, any kind of therapy in general for this show just strikes me as a bit of a drag. It's all pretty on the nose and uninteresting. Hell, I'd take an episode like Helo's fightin'-the-bad-doctor episode anyday over that crap. Less to do with the overall arcs, but so much more interesting. But that's because my favorite stuff has to do with Adama's more unpredictable and highly-charged choices. And no, this week's squabble with Tyrol was not all that highly-charged. I didn't believe for a second that he was going to spill the old Cylon beans. As for Tigh -- I mean, it's okay that he found out he's a Cylon, but ... really? It's not paying off all that much for me yet. Tigh was at his most interesting to me when he was blowing people into space for assumed crimes on New Caprica, culminating in the unbelievably awesome Gaeta episode. Where's that kind of tension this season? Frakkin nowhere.

  • April 28, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    "Where's that kind of tension this season?"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    We've got four newly activated/realized Cylons flying under the radar at every major character nexus in the show. That's where.

  • April 28, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    secretcylon & W7

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Adama does not know that Tyrol (or the baby) is a Cylon. Yet.

  • April 28, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST


    by Alientoast

    Btw, have you noticed that both hallucinations have involved Adama? The Tigh Headshot in the opener, and now this.

  • April 28, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    Adama as the center and focus of the "hallucinations" experienced by two of the Four is VERY interesting. It could mean that he'll be a target again. Maybe the Final Five will be picking up where Boomer left off in the last episode of Season 1.

  • April 28, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST

    I concur, another solid episode...

    by bswise

    All good points from MNG and others on why this was a great episode, so nothing really to add. But, yes, I've been wanting to spend more time with all of these characters ever since they discovered they were Cylons. Sorry if this has been discussed, but do any of the "Watchtower Four even know that they are "different" models of Cylons? It would be interesting if Tori gets offed (by Tyrol, Tigh or even Roslyn for her defection to Baltar's bed) to see if and where she resurrects. And folks, Calli was losing it, because her husband had slowly begun to lose his own mind after discovering that he was a Cylon--no real, "her behavior was out-of-the-blue" mystery there.

  • April 28, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Characters Need Some Work

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>Regarding Shyster's pattern, I had noted that myself but my initial reaction, when I considered the pattern, was that Billy might have been the 5th Cylon because he had that vital position before Tory. And it would be a surprise to see him again (perhaps offering Roslin a cure).</p> <p>Comparing seasons, while the beginning of S3 was amazing, the beginning of S4 is better than the rest of S3 put together. And it's still only so-so to me. I'm engaged, I suppose. But I don't care about any of the characters anymore and I'm not sure when I last did. Well, no. I loved Tigh in the first half of S3. Not so much now that he's a Cylon. I stopped liking Starbuck before she "died" and dislike her even more now after. I once loved Callie, but didn't really care much by the time she died. Roslin should be overthrown and I won't mourn her death (despite loving the actress). Lee needs a good cock punch. Adama is getting a little stale (which is in character, I suppose).</p> <p>BSG has a lot of cool episodes, but great characters are the single most important factor in what makes a great show, IMO. Lost is really good this season. Why? Because of the Desmond and Ben episodes. The two great "characters" left on the show. Interesting characters make it easier to overlook some of the story weaknesses. Boring and sad, does not a great character make. And that pretty much sums up all the BSG crew these days. Maybe the fifth Cylon will be exciting though, who knows?</p>

  • April 28, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by secretcylon

    I know. That's what I was saying (or trying to) in my post.

  • April 28, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    I pretty much agree with _Maltheus_ above

    by emu47

    And I guess that explains why I'm not digging this season so much. Four Cylons in hiding, you say? Man, when HAVEN'T there been Cylons hiding somewhere in this mess? Tory's the only one who's making me at all anxious. Tigh is currently boring the hell out of me. The last thing I want is ANOTHER freaky relationship between someone and a Six. And Tigh seeing Ellen? C'mon! Once again, BSG hits us with the most obvious idea possible. Crushingly dull. Season 3 had a more interesting plot. When you leave the turmoil surrounding New Caprica to go back into this turgid character drama, it gets dull for me because I don't like any of these characters that much. And Baltar has never even been enjoyable for me to watch as a bad guy. I'm just waiting around for someone to shoot him in the head. I really can't stand that fuck at all, and I hate having to spend so much time listening to him weasel his way around his sleazy mind. All that said, I think Starbuck's return at the end of Season 3 was by far the best single moment in the entire show as well as one of the biggest geek delights of my television-watching life, so I owe the show for that much at least. And I love that version of "Watchtower," so ... I'll watch it to the end, because it's still better than almost all other shows out there. But I'd still rate Lost (currently the most fun show on television) and (especially!) The Wire (currently the best show that has ever aired) far higher. (Although BSG pwns Heroes, no doubt.) Still ... I could be wrong. I could just be watching this thing the wrong way somehow. It's happened before.

  • April 28, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Final Cylon problems

    by Anino

    No matter who ends up being the final Cylon, there will be a chunk of fans that will be disappointed. Sure, you won't please everyone, but I don't see any remaining character as that compelling enough to get the consensus of fans saying "Wow, I didn't see that coming!" Maybe it's because he had to wait and have had all this time to think about it and come up with theories, prolonging the suspense kills the enthusiasm and curiosity for it. Pick ANY of the remaining characters, even include the last supper characters, and you'll roll your eyes when they're finally revealed as the fifth cylon. Oh, it's Roslin. Hmmm ok. Oh, it's Starbuck. How nice. Doc Cottle? WTF? Zarek? How Scooby-doo is that? We've dwelled long enough on each theory and each possible character that we've stolen the thunder of when they do actually get revealed.

  • April 28, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    We've known

    by secretcylon

    since season 2 that there are 8(?) cylons on the galactica so I don't know why people get surprised/annoyed about the 4.

  • April 28, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    I like the four cylons

    by Anino

    In fact, revealing the four was my favorite part of S3--I like the fact that they in particular are who the writers chose. I like how different they are in temperment, how varied their characters are. I look forward to seeing how each of the four models differ from one another, and what each purpose is--if they're individual purposes, or if they're orchestrated purposes--and if they go with it, or choose to rebel against their programming, and what kind of dynamic that creates. Not to mention how this plays in with or against the plan of the original 7. I'm more excited about that, than who the last cylon is...although, who the last cylon is quite possibly brings everything together, or tears everything apart. In which case, the final Cylon is Sephiroth.

  • April 29, 2008, 7:26 a.m. CST

    MNG....Nats Stadium is the tits, too

    by Kentucky Colonel

    The wife & I were going to go out on Sunday to see the Cubbies (Jill is a Major League junkie) but I wasn't feeling too great. She went down to score one of those $5 walk up tickets (section 401 & 402, which do not have the view of the Capitol & stuff) but all they had left were $29+, and for a cold gray rainy day that was a bit much. On the upside I did have three hours of uninterupted father-son time. <p> Say you've never been to the AFI? Damn dude that theater is awesome! There are three screens...two were added during the "rebirth" of the complex five years ago, the third is the "original" historic screen. The original was designed by this dude John Eberson...who was also the architect of my old theater (I was B.O. manager there for awhile) the Louisville Palace Theater. The Palace is this grand old Spanish-Baroque 3000-seater with the curved, blue ceiling, twinkling lights in the "sky", balcony...etc. the AFI Silver is very much an Art Deco affair, seating 440. The last two rows are divided by a small barrier and have a small table where a coupke can sit and prop up the popcorn. I've been a member of the AFI ever since moving up here and it sooo rules. For $100 a year I get 8 movie passes (so that's like $80 right back in my pocket) plus a year of EW delivered every week, invites to members only screenings, acccess to their VAST movie database, and other kinds of small niceites. Hell, I got to meet Jack Valenti before he passed away (at a screening of "The french Connection with a Q&A with William Freidken, hosted by George "The Wire" Pelecanos). PLUS, you get to write it off on your taxes. And when all your passes are used up, or you want to take a friend, your tickets are $2 less with your member card. get to vote in the annual "AFI's best 100 (whatever)" poll for that year. For a DC movie lover it's simply the best $100 you could spend. there is a $50 level too (and higher, of course) but you only get four passes and I'm not sure about the EW subscription. Even though I usually drive up from Waldorf, its located very close to the Silver Springs Metro stop. And there's plenty of cool places to eat and a Whole Foods market within walking distance. <p> Check it out at <p> We did get to take our lil man Miles to his first ballgame at the stadium on the night of the second home game. It was fuckin' cold and windy...but my man Miles may hold the distinction of being the first kid to be breast-fed there, and almost certainly in the section we were sitting in (all the way at the top of 404). The new park is great, especially the food. Too bad the price for everything has almost doubled. But when I can chooses from Cheesesteaks, Chineese, BBQ, etc. its almost worth it. My biggest gripe is that the Sno Cones have gone from $4 to $7. That better be one hell of a sno-cone! <p> What's the beef with the boxing episode? I though it was great! The only episode that I though was really sub-par (and the damned bar is very, very high on BSG) was the Helo-centric bad-doctor episode...and even that wasn't THAT bad...just felt like filler. <p> BRING BACK BOXEY & MUFFITT!! <p> Again.... <p> <p> <p> THIS MESSAGE WAS NOT SPONSORED IN ANY WAY BY THE AFI (but a few more free passes would be welcomed...)

  • April 29, 2008, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Blade Runner TFC at the AFI

    by Kentucky Colonel

    It will run from May 2nd through May 8th, though show times have not been posted yet. Even though all three theaters are nice (and THX certified) if you can catch it on the "Historic" screen that's what you want to do (and as with 2001, which closes on May 1 BTW) I believe all screenings will be on the historic screen. I'll probably show up on the 8th...we're going back to Loserville for the Derby this weekend. 6pm on NBC this Saturday. Everytime Dan Fogelberg sings "Run For The Roses" it gets me right here....

  • April 29, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    One more thing before I get to work...

    by Kentucky Colonel

    If you want to know the "real" deal on the Derby, read Hunter S. Thompson's "The Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved". It's added onto the Modern Library's version of "F&L in Las Vegas" and may also appear in "The Great Shark Hunt". Even though it was written in the early 1960's it is still exactly the same as he describes it...right down to the local landmarks. <p> BYE FOR NOW!

  • April 29, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Sephiroth as final Cylon = hilarious ... and awesome

    by emu47

    Kudos Anino. Love the reference.

  • April 30, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    5th model

    by dr_pepper

    Everything that's been going on in the series is happening in the 5th model's head as it comes to life.