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‘What Are You Talking About?? The Doctor Is Fine!!’ The First New LOST Since March 20!! SWEEPS DAY ONE!!

I am – Hercules!!
“We both know I can't do that.” Six new hours of “Lost” unfurl over five Thursdays: 4.9 (tonight) The Shape of Things To Come (Linus-centric). 4.10 (May 1) Something Nice Back Home (Shephard-centric). 4.11 (May 8) Cabin Fever (Locke-centric). 4.12 (May 15) There’s No Place Like Home I (non-centric). 4.13 (May 29) There’s No Place Like Home II (non-centric). 4.14 (May 29) There’s No Place Like Home III (non-centric). ABC says of tonight’s installent:
Locke's camp comes under attack, and Jack tries to discover the identity of a body that has washed ashore. Guest starring are Ken Leung as Miles, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Sam Anderson as Bernard, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Marc Vann as doctor, Kevin Durand as Keamy, Yetide Badaki as desk clerk, Kaveh Kardan as merchant, Faran Tahir as Ishmael Bakir and Sean Douglas Hoban as Doug.
* We return this week to flash-forwards. * There’s a major battle between Widmore Corps and Othertown. * We will learn a major thing about Smokezilla. * Jack will complain of a tummy ache. * Kate will wonder why they haven’t heard from Sayid. * A doc (not Jack or Christian) will be found in the ocean. * Locke will get a mysterious phone call. * Claire does not get killed this week. * Rousseau’s fate won’t be revealed till next week. POSSIBLE SUPERSPOILER FOR EPISODES BEYOND: **** DO NOT READ BEYOND THIS POINT!! **** * What would you think if we learned in 4.11 that Richard Alpert was lurking about the site of John Locke’s birth in 1952? 10 p.m. Thursday. ABC.

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  • April 24, 2008, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Cant Wait!!!

    by ChrisVenom

    30 Rock, the Office and then Lost! Its the weekend for me already!

  • April 24, 2008, 2:17 a.m. CST


    by thedottedlion

    New Lost. Must call 2 remaining friends.

  • April 24, 2008, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Good. Someone else posted first this time

    by gotilk

    Man, I was sick of seeing my stupid post for weeks. Have fun, ChrisVenom!(of course your torture will last only a week)

  • April 24, 2008, 2:21 a.m. CST

    mild spoiler source

    by Napoleon Park<p>MeeVee guide listings (my favorite, they seem to load faster than TV Guide, though they probably have the same source of information) Has a short preview clip showing one of the events mentioned in the invisotext. Nice to see Bernard get to do something kinda cool for a change. No, I'm not telling you what it is, but go log in to MeeVee and click on the lost listing to see the clip.

  • April 24, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    AHH! Invisotext!!!

    by gotilk

    New lesson for today. No matter how tempting, invisotext is invisotext for a very good reason.<br> <br> Just DO NOT read it. Do not read the shiny, candy-like invisotext.

  • April 24, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Hey casual Lost fans

    by Napoleon Park

    The real fanatics that kept the "I thought we were going on a Rescue Mission" talkback alive since the last "Lost" episode over a month ago<p><p>got so heavily into it that one of their number, a much cool fella by the name of 4we8have15to16go23back42, (and several other talkbackers helping out) actually went ahead and started a Lost fan blog. And not just to see his name on screen either, the point was to have a place to post invisotexted spoilers and keep the Lost talk backs here at AICN relatively spoiler free. It's a good read, there's some interesting, and some funny, stuff over there if you're interested in checking it out. It's called "Room 23". Here.<p>

  • April 24, 2008, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Invisotext? REALLY?

    by PirateEmery

    I've already watched three sneak peek scenes that reveal the information that you "revealed." Nice scoop...

  • April 24, 2008, 2:43 a.m. CST


    by Kragmose

  • April 24, 2008, 2:44 a.m. CST


    by suit and tie


  • April 24, 2008, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Where that title's from.

    by Napoleon Park

    "Shape Of Things To Come" written by Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil. From the movie "Wild In The Streets". Recorded by Dave Allen and the Arrows with actor Christopher Jones on lead vocals, released under the name of the films fictional band "Max Frost and the Troopers" (later covered by The Ramones on their album "Acid Eaters"<p>There's a new sun - Risin' up angry in the sky - And there's a new voice - Sayin' "we're not afraid to die" - Let the old world make believe - It's blind and deaf and dumb - But nothing can change the shape of things to come<p>There are changes - Lyin' ahead in every road - And there are new thoughts - Ready and waiting to explode - When tomorrow is today - The bells may toll for some - But nothing can change the shape of things to come<p>The future's comin' in, now - Sweet and strong - Ain't no-one gonna hold it back for long<p>There are new dreams - Crowdin' out old realities - There's revolution - Sweepin' in like a fresh new breeze - Let the old world make believe - It's blind and deaf and dumb - (But) nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - To come<p><p><p>

  • April 24, 2008, 2:47 a.m. CST

    New LOST thread = the return of suit and tie!

    by Kragmose

    Welcome home, good sir.

  • April 24, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Los Endos - regarding non-centric eps

    by Napoleon Park

    I wasn't sure what you meant by non-centric until I reread the article. The final three episodes of the season will be a one hour followed after a one week hiatus with a two hour, which cumulatively will be considered the three-hour season finale episode. there won;t be any major flashes, fore or back, focused on any one specific character because these will be major "game changer" episodes dealing with ALL of the characters - the Oceanic Six characters who get off the island and possibly the fate of, well, pretty much everybody else. Whether they remain on the island or... not. That's not too spoilery, is it? Everyone who watched the show already knows the Oceanic Six gets off and, well, every day you wake up you either live or die, right? What else is there? To predict that certain characters "will either live or die," well, that's about as vague as it gets, right?<p>But that's what the non-centric episodes are all about - they deal with everyone, not just one specific character.

  • April 24, 2008, 3:37 a.m. CST

    SPOILER reply to invisotext superspoiler.

    by Napoleon Park

    SPOILER this is a reply to the part of the Invisotexted [tm] article labeler SUPERSPOILER, that asked one specific question which included a key Lost character's year of birth as part of the question. If you didn't read the question, this answer won't mean anything to you so you may as well skip over it.<p>I would think "Holy crap, that crazy old coot is less than a year older than me? Dang, I am getting so flipping old..."

  • April 24, 2008, 3:39 a.m. CST


    by Mortegro

    This is the first Ben-centric episode in a good while. I have some high hopes. I hope Ben deals out my judgment and justice!

  • April 24, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST

    nothing can change the shape of things to come

    by bacci40

    in other words...season 4 sux huge, fat balls

  • April 24, 2008, 5:06 a.m. CST

    just a couple of hours.....

    by redfishbluefish

    see you folks on the other side.

  • April 24, 2008, 5:15 a.m. CST

    14 more hours!

    by theBigE

    I could keep this up all day!

  • April 24, 2008, 5:57 a.m. CST

    LOSTgasam. And Herc?

    by Yeti

    I'd say my theory about how the others exist in a different reality where time clearly moves much much slower and only come into ours on occassion is a good one.

  • April 24, 2008, 6:29 a.m. CST


    by Nabster

    The ending to this season is going to be extraordinary, I simply can't wait. I just hope I can wait for all of the to come out so I can watch them all at once, the long gaps inbetween allows me to think too much about what may or may not happen. Anyway, how many more episodes are we getting?

  • April 24, 2008, 7:06 a.m. CST

    spoiler free baby!

    by turketron

    I haven't seen any previews for the new episode tonight, and I haven't read anything above or in the talkback. I'm goin into this episode with a blank, and I know it's going to be great! 10pm still sucks though, but I'll make due even if I have to fire up bit torrent!

  • April 24, 2008, 7:07 a.m. CST


    by Youguysgotanymilk

    It's finally here! It's like Christmas morning for me again. Today is going to be the longest day of work. Tonight's episode is going to rock in so many ways. I'm staying away from the invisotext, even though I've probably already read the spoilers for this ep. <p> Actually, I don't think I've really been spoiled yet, just teased. I know bits and pieces about what will happen, but have no clue to the meanings behind these events or how they fit together. <p> CANT F***ING WAIT!

  • April 24, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    I wouldn't be surprised. at all. about batmanuel and howard hugh

    by ironic_name

    this show is like fanfiction. BAD fanfiction. <P> 1st season: amazing. <P> second season: oh, ok.. I get it. <P>time and space, utopia, nazis, genetics, quantum singularity. <P> 3rd season: zzzzzzzzzz <P> fourth season: hey look! the wire is on! [click]

  • April 24, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Oh my, oh my, oh my

    by godzillasushi

    Not only is it finally back (YES!) but just as Lost has always been, it sounds like the final episodes will be an amazing experience. None of them being 'centric' means that something will actually take three episodes to explain, which is awesome. As for the spoiler above - If he was around in 1952, we could have guessed that pretty easily. They were all sold on Locke. Ben was the only one that was kind of like "Why are we giving this guy a chance again?"

  • April 24, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST


    by Fount of Useless Info

    This hiatus has been killing me.<p> <p> I kind of wish I'd been hanging around in the talkback since the last episode, but when I consider who much time I spend here on the day of a new episode, doing that every day might not have been helpful to my continued employment.

  • April 24, 2008, 8:35 a.m. CST

    I had a dream again...

    by gotilk

    and I was on the island. I went into this big, round room with a bunch of donkeys on a wheel. They were alive, but frozen, still. Each donkey had a year on it and I grabbed the one that said 1976. I got on, and it came to life, leading me out of the room and through a door to a specific path. When I was at the end of the path, I was in Oregon, at the train station, and the "freedom train" was there. It was obviously 1976, due to the hairstyles. I got on the freedom train and the conveyor belt that carried people through the thing had broken down and everyone was just walking through the exhibit. I woke up before I got to sign the duplicate of the Declaration of Independence. So there's your frozen donkey wheel. I doubt that spoils anything. If their frozen donkey wheel is anything like mine, a lot of people are in big, big trouble.

  • April 24, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Bumpy ride.

    by gotilk

    Riding that frozen donkey.<br> <br> Bumpy.<br> Bump.

  • April 24, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    You can usually get the episode pretty

    by gotilk

    early, if you have access to the right places at the right time. *cough* *cough*

  • April 24, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    You can usually get the episode pretty

    by gotilk

    if it's attractive.<br> <br> We’re Tiegra and Bunny and we like the BUMP!

  • April 24, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    This thing loads so fast right now.

    by gotilk

    Not for long.

  • April 24, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    This thing loads so fast right now.

    by gotilk

    No punchline.

  • April 24, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Good morning.

    by gotilk

    Just a few more hours.

  • April 24, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Off to bed.

    by gotilk

    When I wake up, there will be new Lost in just a few hours. Nice.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Cabin Fever..sounds VERY interesting

    by couP

  • April 24, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    just a little something

    by redfishbluefish

    to help the day pass faster...<p>

  • April 24, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    and another...

    by redfishbluefish<p> oh, lordy, this day is going to be soooooooooooo long. <p> and gotilk, buddy, you must lay off the LSD. ;-)

  • April 24, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    we're baaaack!

    by theredtoad

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! This is the shit. I can't fucking wait til tonnight. I might have to give my best Superman impression and run around the world real fast and warp time ahead some, not back.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I wish my life were that interesting..

    by gotilk

    .. I miss LSD.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    And by the way...

    by gotilk

    .. aww baby, that's just cause you know my lovin's a TRIP, baby.. it's just another way for you to let me know it's BUSINESS TIME.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    (spoiler) I think I accidentally found out what is going on in L

    by smackfu

    I found a very concise explaination of exactly what was going on in Lost that logically explained almost every single weird thing that's happened on the show, and the news that Richard Alpert was at the site of Locke's birth fits completely in to it and is not surprising at all.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    An interesting consquence of this mystery theory

    by smackfu

    Is that the reason why Ben Linus is so fearless among the Losties is that he *cannot* be killed. Yet. Just as the island won't let anyone kill themselves before their time, it also won't let people die before they're supposed to.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    I'm so not reading that until the show airs

    by CherryValance

    but I had to tell you guys that Darlton totally made fun of my LOST theory in USA today. I got two Ds. WOOT. Can't wait until the show tonight. :D

  • April 24, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    It is time! To care about TV again...... Lost and BSG...and Vent

    by Stormwatcher

    Finally stuff worth watching. Locke is Jacob. It is so obvious. He gets slammed back in time. The SMokey takes him there. Like Christmas Carol. John lOKe

  • April 24, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Locke Is Jacob?

    by Frodo T. Baggins

    I thought JJ and Comp. made it very clear the show doesnt have to do with time travel or purgatory. The show doesnt seem to be making this very clear however. & JJ did make an alien with tentacles like Del Toro cant stop doing. I want to tie Del Toro to a chair and spray him with a squirt bottle saying "No more tentacle monsters Toro! No More!" He replies, "I cannot! I cannot stop! Mi Encanta Tentacalies!!!" "Bad Del Toro! No! No! Stop! Draw something new! Why do you make me spray you!?!?"

  • April 24, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    no Sawyer-centric??

    by zooch


  • April 24, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    A triple-ep season ender???

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Cool. Flasback/forwards for everyone? Or no flashes at all? I love this show more than my ex-wife..... obviously.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Too many question marks????

    by SlickyVonBoner

  • April 24, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I Love This Show More Than Your Ex-Wife

    by Frodo T. Baggins

    Odviously ;)

  • April 24, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    T. Baggins

    by SlickyVonBoner


  • April 24, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Thank God It's THURSDAY!!! <p>We get to watch THE OFFICE and LOST! These are two of the best shows on television!</p> <p>LOST has been great this season. It is such a refreshing change from the tired police, detective, hospital dramas. LOST has remained fresh and intelligent -- even when so many shows become shells of their former selves. </p> Looking forward to tonight's exciting installment!

  • April 24, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    My theory on Jacob

    by siatrisx

    Jacob is not one person. It is whoever's time travelling. We saw Christian Sheppard in the chair. Interviewed, Jorge Garcia said he filmed a scene where HE was in the chair instead. I think the eye we saw belongs to Desmond. All this to say, when someone's counsciouness is travelling in time/space, either they end up in the shack for a moment, or a part of them does. And, Ben Linux cannot SEE Jacob, therefore he doesn't know it's not always the same person/ghost. Ideas ?

  • April 24, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST


    by Frodo T. Baggins

    I like that your thinking. I just dont think thats it. Not like anyone actually knows what "it" is. I think Jacob has always been 1 person. Maybe its older Locke. Maybe its older Walt. Or maybe fuck, its just Jacob. Im assuming the 4 people on the island that have some sort of powers are Locke, Walk, Jacob, and Ben. Maybe its a Lady In The Water deal where they all have their own ability and Bens is the shittiest thats why he envys Locke. And he does envy Locke. I would too. Hes handsome. If Jacob was just a chair with people traveling through time I dont see how Ben would fear that. That make any sense? However I do agree that it did kinda look like one of Desmonds squirley looking eye balls. And anytime Ben is pissing you off too much just watch the end of Saw 1. I swear that actor has faked more punches to the face than Chuck Norris. Because nobody hits Chuck Norris. Because nobody is that stupid. He lit a fart on fire once in the Sahara Forest.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Great Shout Out Nap

    by edshrinker

    Thanks for the plug for Room 23. 4We8 is indeed the genius behind a well put together site that privides Lost Fans with one - stop shopping for News and Spoilers (w/InvisoText). 4We8 = <p>

  • April 24, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Tonight's is Ben-centric...

    by Leopold Scotch

    My guess about tonight is Ben gets a flashback in which he receives the "list" from Jacob after the plane crash, and prepares to set out towards the camp.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST


    by Fount of Useless Info

    Do you mean it was a theory you like or that you sumbitted that theory? <p> <P>If it is the latter, you have given away your secret identity.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    I may have to retreat into our former TB

    by edshrinker

    For a few minutes of peace.

  • April 24, 2008, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Ah, Bacci doesn't like that the future is set in Lost.

    by Novaman5000

    What a surprise. He'd much rather the Heroes version, im sure, where we see a future, have an episode or two devoted to it, and then have it completely be disregarded and changed so we've effectively wasted all of the time spent with this plotline.<p> Lost has balls. It has the balls to kill of characters, to say, this future sucks, but there is no changing it. DEAL with it. <p>Heroes on the other hand, says "whoops! Just kidding! none of that stuff really happens!!"

  • April 24, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Novaman5000...heroes turned to teh suck too

    by bacci40

    second season blew huge chunks...

  • April 24, 2008, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Dharma wedding suits

    by Maximus Prime


  • April 24, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Node32774 is right

    by bacci40

    i think the writers are alluding more to the hg wells book than the 60's film, which was extremely prescient in predicting ww2...the brit film based on the book can be found thing in the 60s film is watching shelly winters on an lsd trip, and also watching a young richard pryor...the movie sucked, but the music was great, especially the title song

  • April 24, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by AngelCordy

    Dear Lost STOP KILLING OFF ALL THE GIRLS. Sincerely, a female fan

  • April 24, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Locke baby Rambo Jesus

    by picardsucks

    God Damn I love Season 1 Locke, covered in blood and stalking wild boar like many of you fatsos stalking a double whopper. Can't wait to DVR this tonite and scrutinize!!!

  • April 24, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST


    by Sithdan

    I think the Jacob character is someone lost in time, trapped in another plane of existence.

  • April 24, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    dharma beer and wine will be served.

    by redfishbluefish

    ;-)<p> and fishbiscuits for the guest gifts!

  • April 24, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    JJ is directing Dark Tower!!!!!!

    by richier123

    Yes you heard me right. JJ is going to direct the DARK TOWER!!

  • April 24, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    "ghosts" are actually people in another time

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I recall once reading a paranormal theory about ghosts -- that they're not spirits of the dead who are trapped in a building... but that the building or area itself is situated in a spot where multiple timelines criss-cross. So if you are in a building that is "haunted", it's actually people in the past whose timeline is bleeding over into the present (their future). Anyway, I'm reminded of that theory when considering Jacob and The Cabin. It ties in with all the funky time issues with the island.

  • April 24, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Finally...I Can Breathe Again...

    by Cheif Brody

    LOST Thursday has restored my will to live. All is right in the world again. <p> Namaste, motherfuckers! <p> ps. I think that would look great on a T-Shirt.

  • April 24, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    The Ballad of LOST Island (everyone sing along)

    by Napoleon Park

    The Ballad of LOST Island<p>Just settle right back in front of your televisions or set your VCR or TiVo<p>and you'll behold the latest installment in a long and complicated epic saga,<p>A tale of a fateful trans-oceanic airline flight<p>That started from Sydney, Australia<p>Aboard Oceanic Airlines Flight 815.<p>* * * * *<p>The Pilot Seth Norris was an inexperienced substitute,<p>Cindy the stewardess dutiful and suspicious.<p>324 passengers set sail that day<p>For a journey to Los Angeles, California, USA.<p>* * * * *<p>The weather was clear but because a button was not pushed a pent-up electro-magnetiic force of incalcuable magnitude was unleashed,<p>The aircraft was torn into three main pieces, the cockpit, mid-section fuselage and the tail (and the wings were ripped off, never a good sign when you're flying),<p>Due to a malfunction of the navigational system,<p>Flight 815 was 1000 miles off course, and it was very...<p>(poom) LOST...<p>* * * * *<p>The midsection and tail set ground on or near the shore of this uncharted but surprisingly not deserted isle<p>With alcoholic surgeon Jack Shephard,<p>angry cripple John Locke too,<p>The multimillionaire lottery winner Hugo Reyes,<p>vengeful con-man James Ford,<p>drug addicted one-hit wonder rock star Charlie Pace,<p>former Iraqi Republican Guard torturer Sayid Jarrah,<p>pregnant goth chick Claire Littleton,<p>The US Marshal and his patricidal prisoner,<p>The son of a Korean fisherman and his unfaithful wife,<p>a complete bitch and her incestuous step-brother,<p>the estranged father seeking to reconnect with his son,<p>the dentist and his dying of cancer wife,<p>the bad cop and the stewardess,<p>The television starlet and her jewel thief boyfriend,<p>The high school science professor<p>and Mr. Eko, Scott, Steve, Sullivan, Lance, Tracy, Libby, Neil, Joanna, Emma, Zach and several dozen more<p>plus The Others, Adam & Eve, the crazy French woman and her kidnapped daughter, the Dharma Initiative, the pirates of the Black Rock, the Nigerian drug smugglers, the Scots boat-racer living under the Hatch, the Widmore science team and the Freighties, (and believe it or not dozens of other peripheral characters important to their stories both in their pasts and in the future,)<p>Here on the Isle of the...<p>(poom) LOST...<p>

  • April 24, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    The Ballad of the LOST Talk-Back

    by Napoleon Park

    The Ballad of the Lost Talk-Back.<p>.<p>Just sit right back and you'll read some entertaining commentary,<p>About a wonderful television program<p>possibly the greatest show ever,<p>but that's for history to decide.<p>.<p>It begins when an article is posted<p>on the day of the new episode<p>the talkback rages for a day or two<p>and continues until the following episode<p>(or until it hits 10000 posts, whichever comes first)<p>.<p>The discourse can start getting rough,<p>foul languange may be tossed,<p>and strongly worded opinions,<p>about this show called LOST, about a show called LOST.<p>.<p>The talk-backs already underway,<p>With founder Harry Knowles, and moderator Hercules<p>The blogger and his helpers,<p>there are avid fans, casual viewers, would be critics, humorists, pundits, wits and half-wits, spoilers, trolls, flamers, punks, some nice folks and some creeps,<p>Here in the Ain't It Cool News Lost Talk-back

  • April 24, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I forget how Paul put it

    by edshrinker

    Something about a period of adjustment to the new tone, the new character of the new TB. I am weak. and stubborn. I am having a hard time adjusting. Anyone else? Going next door then back to my Room at Room 23.

  • April 24, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Hey Ender! Somwone thought he could hide in our other TB

    by edshrinker

    "ENDER SMITES EATS HIS OWN POO!" by gotham_night Apr 24th, 2008 02:31:39 PM

  • April 24, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Lost fanvid

    by av123

  • April 24, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    When is the Node FIsh Wedding???

    by edshrinker

    I say, Afternoon wedding, Reception with the Season 5 premiere set up to start right after the "official stuff" is completed. Then beer, Lost, and Much rejoicing. Then you two birds slip out for a honeymoon at Camp Otherton in Hawaii.

  • April 24, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    For those in need of LOST tonight

    by edshrinker

    for whatever reason - watch here for Edshrinker's post around 11:30-11:45 and I will have a link up to my torrent. I'm usually the first to have LOST and BSG up for whatever reason so it behooves you to grab an upload slot quickly. <p> I may have Smallville's newest running as well - I'll throw the link here as well if I decide to do it. Posted here and at Room 23.

  • April 24, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    And for the newbies

    by edshrinker

    My torrents are solid - this TB can vouch for what they get when they d/l from edshrinker.

  • April 24, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Napoleon...Thanks, dude.

    by Cheif Brody

    Now I've got the fuckin Gilligan's Island theme playing over and over in my head! <p> Well...I got one for YOU! <p> Five.... <p> Five dollar... <p> Five Dollar Foot-Long.... <p> Five... <p> Five dollar... <p> Five Dollar Foot-Long... <p> Eat Fresh my ass!

  • April 24, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Who is Shepard?

    by Mindtrip

    Maybe I'm having a senior-moment, but is Sheppard in next week's ep refers to?

  • April 24, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST


    by Cheif Brody

    A blast from the past...but still gives me chills.

  • April 24, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    A Note of Caution - nothing personal

    by Napoleon Park

    According to the AOL Active Security Monitor "P2P programs allow users to share files over a file sharing network. Using P2P programs increases your risk to attacks from viruses, worms and other malicious programs.<p>It may be perfectly safe to download a specific file that has been seeded by a reliable and trustworthy source. And it might be possible to acquire the P2P file sharing programs needed to do this without having it bundled with adware, spybots or other malicious coding.<p>But be aware that downloading "free" entertainment this way can be addictive. You might think that as long as you have the resources and the opportunity you may as well just download one more show, comic or song... and another, and another. And if you're unlucky you just may acquire some nastiness that will slow down your computer's response time or freeze it up all together, require a complete system recovery or, worse, the purchasee of a replacement computer.<p>Of course it won't happen to you. It's always "the other guy."

  • April 24, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Shephard can also refer to...

    by Napoleon Park

    Surgeon Jack Shephard's father Dr. Christian Shephard, deceased by still haunting his son, occasionally in apparition form.

  • April 24, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Don't be silly, Evie

    by Napoleon Park

    I'm sure Ed S. can speak for himself on this, but he's no pirate. Se legally acquires a single digital copy of a television episode for his own private personal use, and this use includes sharing with friends. Stretching the definition of "private use" and "friends" to include seeding to peer-to-peer file sharing torrents to provide free copies of copyrighted material to 100s of strangers may or may not be within the exact letter of the law - that's for the Federal Bureau of Investigation to decide, and frankly I'd hope they have better things to do. But there is no profit involved - P2P simply involves fans sharing material they enjoy with fellow fans or "peers" (and sometimes getting other things they enjoy, such as other programs - and things they may not enjoy, such as computer viruses, worms, spyware, adware and malware - in exchange). But generally these things have cash value only to the shows creators and copyright owners, so no money is exchanged or stolen, and therefore no crime is committed. The same way that murder or rape are legal unless you get paid to do it. Actually I'm not certain about that last point - I'm no lawyer, so don't take my word for it. I hope that clears that matter up so we can get back to discussing Lost.

  • April 24, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Code 14-J...means...

    by Cheif Brody

    The are obviously playing a heated game of "Jingo"!

  • April 24, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    no profit, no crime is how he explained it to me

    by Napoleon Park

    No profit = no crime is how he explained it to me. And he's an Ed-jumacator. He works for the public teaching impressionable children. He's not going to do crime stuff just to make the cool kids think he used to be one of them. If he thought there was anything legally or morally wrong with freely file sharing copyrighted material do you think he'd be discussing it in a public forum? That would be ka-razy. Speaking of crazy, what's that like, Eve?

  • April 24, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Code 14-J spoiler warning

    by Napoleon Park

    Seriously, SPOILER - don't read this if you're remaining SPOILER free. I watched one of the online preview clips. Here it is, here's the >p>SPOILER<p>A Code 14-J is a loaded sawed-off shotgun in the piano stool.<p>This has been a code 14-J SPOILER.

  • April 24, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Foux de fa-fa-fa-fa-fa

    by Leopold Scotch

    Aiyaahh!<br><br>Affirmative: I poked it; it was dead...

  • April 24, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I heard a rumor

    by Napoleon Park

    ...that in the year 2029 the last remaining living members of Driveshaft, Spinal Tap, Bad News and The Rutles will form a super-group called DEATHICIDE.<p>Hot new breaking news, you heard it here first: There will be an umlaut over the second "i". and it will be a lower case "i" so the umlaut and the dot over the "i" will form an inverted satanic triangle.<p>They are going to totally RAWK.

  • April 24, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    DEATHICiDE's debut album title (spoiler)

    by Napoleon Park

    "erosha hsaw seidob"<p>And Brian Eno's gonna produce.

  • April 24, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    an ode to my honey about this tb

    by redfishbluefish

    edshrinker's quite awesome, <p>nodey's my pick,<p><p>ender's poo smells like flowers, <p> and gotham's a dick.

  • April 24, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    i am so not a planner....

    by redfishbluefish

    tie dyed t's for everyone! <p>on the beach, bonfire, little huts for the inebriated to crash. lifeguards so we don't lose anyone...

  • April 24, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    less than 5 hours! will i make it?<p> i'm all hyper now. need a distraction... ouch! that hurt!<p>

  • April 24, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Bacci, I'd hate to break it to you, but Heroes Season 1

    by Novaman5000

    pretty much sucked, too.

  • April 24, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    namaste, motherfuckers!

    by redfishbluefish

    is second only to 'desmond is my constant' t-shirts.

  • April 24, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Ordering a great big PIZZA tonight to go with my LOST

    by Pizza The Hut

    Doesn't get much better... (well, really it does, but not this time)

  • April 24, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Richard Alpert

    by godzthor1

    Richard Alpert is actually a disguised Pierson's Puppeteer, influencing genetic lines to create new, profitable strains.

  • April 24, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    AngelCordy - regarding killing off the Lost women

    by Napoleon Park

    Angelcordy wrote: "Dear Lost STOP KILLING OFF ALL THE GIRLS. :("<p>Well, I had some concerns about that myself, but after mentioning them in a previous talkback it was pointed out to me that "Lost" kills off cast members of both genders at a relatively comparative rate.<p>After giving it some thought I realized that while life on The Island may be brutal for people of both sexes, the writers of Lost at least are somewhat merciful when it comes to the distaff slayings. The male characters are blown up (Arzt. Mikhail, the Others attacking the beach tents), drowned (Charlie), ripped up (Scott), shredded and left hanging in a tree (Seth Norris the pilot), beaten against trees and the ground like a rag doll (Mr. Eko), skull-cracked on the rocks (Kelvin), killed during surgery following a small ironic plane crash (Boone), executed while captive (Ethan Rom, Tom Friendly), sucked into a freaking turbine engine (Gary Troup), run over by the Dharma van and so on. all pretty horrific, brutal ways to go. Now I'm not saying a gut-shot isn't painful, but with the women, well Sherrif Isabel of The Others was blown up (off camera) during the attack at the tents and Joanna and Regina drowned (both presumed suicides). Naomi was murdered with a knife, but pretty much all the other women (Shannon, Ana Lucia, Libby, Mrs. Klugh, Bonnie and Greta, Danielle and (possible spoiler - ***x) are all taken out quickly by gunshot. Bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang.<p>I forgot to include paralyzed by spiders and then buried alive (Nikki and Paulo) but then that was pretty much evenly divided by gender too, wasn't it?

  • April 24, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Trigger happy mods in lame forums

    by gotilk

    don't allow DISCUSSION of file sharing. This isn't your world, buddy(pal, friend). We don't have power hungry USERS modding the talkback. Chaos? Sometimes. Banning people for DISCUSSING something? Rarely. So far. And try to remember this is TV, not movies or music. In this case, and most cases, we're talking still about free, over the air programming. Everyone else? We have cable or satellite. You wanna know why I'd rather download than watch live (which I do anyway with Lost)? Because in my market, it comes to my TV in <br> <br>FULL SCREEN.<br> <br> It looks cheap and crappy. Anyone that has some kind of "moral issue" with downloading a free TV show they most likely already pay for in some form already is a douche and has fully drank the kool-aid. Congratulations, you've got industry lawyers up your ass puppeteering you. Don't be a coward. <br> <br> Now, if this were a talkback about Iron Man, and someone was talking about how they have a perfect copy of the film up on TPB, I wouldn't be surprised (or shocked, or bothered)if someone deleted the messages and the user.<br> <br> Get just slightly sophisticated about this stuff. I'm not asking you to get sophisticated on some kind of <br>"quit watching the factor" level,<br> we're talking more along the lines of<br> "hey, just leave that homosexual alone, ok? he wasn't bothering you" <br>levels. <br> <br> Consider yourself schooled. Because you have been.

  • April 24, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Fishies and Node-code

    by Napoleon Park

    congrats on the nups. I don't travel well but my thoughts are with you and "I just want you to know that we're all counting on you". Let me know the date and I'll be sure to put on one of my tie-dyed Tees in your honor. Let me know when the hunnymoon viddy-x goes up on RedTube.

  • April 24, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Anyone that wants help setting up something

    by gotilk

    torrent-related that's just for US that doesn't need another site or a public network to work, and avoids the scrutiny and twisted moralism of common douchenozzles, hit me up. I've been doing this sort of thing for a long time(with fully legal torrents). They don't like it, we'll go private and they can play or complain elsewhere.

  • April 24, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Sorry if that was harsh.

    by gotilk

    I couldn't hold it back this time.

  • April 24, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    gotilk - about discussions.

    by Napoleon Park

    Hey, nice rant gotilk. I realize you were talking to the troll who suggested that in some forums discussion of P2P file sharing is banned, and not me. But we have been discussing it here. I mentioned it in posts dated 3.28.01 and 3.43.24 and those haven't been deleted, so what's the problem-o?<p>Someone says they acquired some copyrighted material they have no legal claim to and plan to give hundreds of copies away to strangers - fine, that's they're side of a discussion.<p>Someone who doesn't think the practice is fair to the creators of the material and the people they sell the copyrights of the material to replies<p>According to the AOL Active Security Monitor "P2P programs allow users to share files over a file sharing network. Using P2P programs increases your risk to attacks from viruses, worms and other malicious programs."<p>and suggests that encouraging people to engage in P2P file sharing can cause them to take chances that can endanger the health of the computers, well, that's the other side of the discussion. Discussions sometimes have opposing viewpoints.<p>On an unrelated topic, I know that "drink the kool-aid" is a popular slang expression meaning to blindly accept a corporate or political agenda, but it's unfortunate that it uses the trademarked brand name of the popular drink-mix Kool-Aid [tm] brand water-flavoring. Personally the Black Cherry is my favorite, but I'm acquiring a taste fore the Lime-Lemon.<p>And a friend of mine who has two infants tells me that the "invisible" flavors aren't just a stupid gimmick, they help prevent furniture and carpet stains.

  • April 24, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Stupid me

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    It didn't make sense to me that the boat people would just happen to come across Alex/Danielle in the middle of the jungle, but I guess they did. It made too much sense that Ben would send them into a trap so he could get rid of Rousseau and Carl and have Alex safe with the rest of his people, but I guess he didn't. Shows what the fuck I know.

  • April 24, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    I tried to find an image of the story online, but I couldn't. This is a headline from "Our Dumb Century" by The Onion: "Anthropomorphic Juice Pitcher Among Dead in Jonestown Cult Suicide"

  • April 24, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    We're Number Three

    by Napoleon Park

    For folks who like to bump up the number of posts just to see if they can change the position of a talkback on the top ten most frequently used sidebar chart (I did that one weekend with the X-Files II title spam thread - it's fun. Try it some time) this discussion just rose to position #3. Just 29 posts to go to overtake that new Yancy Butler movie and then only Superman can keep us out of the #1 spot.<p>We're coming for you, Kryptonian.

  • April 24, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Super Nintendo - regarding Kool-Aid

    by Napoleon Park

    "Oh Yeaahhh!!"<p>I'm not a Family Guy fan but I liked the running gag they did with Kool-aid Man. A couple times they had courtroom scenes where a verdict would be read, everyone would say "Oh No!" and then Kool-Aid Man would crash through the wall shouting "Oh yeah!" Then once it happen and the judge ordered everyone to stop saying "Oh no!"<p>Later a runaway car crashed through the wall of Kool-Aid Man's living room while he was reading the paper and he remarked "You know, it's not so funny when you're on the other side."

  • April 24, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST

    No, not you NP...

    by gotilk

    NO!! There's no issues with you at all. Everyone has an opinion on this stuff. But on Yahoo and security, they have "some learnin'" to do. There's nothing inherently more dangerous about a p2p network than any other network. As long as a user knows what full filenames are, and what a media file is and is not, they're as safe or UNsafe as anywhere else on this series of tubes we all love so much. There's nothing magically dangerous about a particular method of getting and giving files. That's FUD and should be easily spotted a mile away.(as well as debunked at every opportunity)<br> <br> But on copyrighted material, I'm personally worried about all those copyrighted songs people have in their heads. The other day, someone hummed a song in an elevator and I was thinking "did he PAY for that song? Now it's in my head and I haven't paid for it!!!".. so I quickly went to itunes and found out "I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts" isn't on itunes.<br> <br> BUT.. BUT... All kidding aside, it IS still copyrighted (TV shows) material. You got that right. But so is the radio, and taping off the radio, and the VCR. DVR is only different in that they've sanctioned it. That doesn't automagically make the VCR an illegal piece of hardware. It just makes it obsolete. Remember, they wanted VCRs to go away until they found a way to make money off them. After they started making big bucks off them, home taping didn't stop. They just stopped caring. They focused (rightly) on video pirates SELLING tapes. But with many people's line of thinking, Joe Average at home taping a show to watch it later, or asking someone to tape it for him is the same as stealing a tape from a Blockbuster, or pirating a show to sell at a swap meet. It's not. It's just not the same and no amount of arguing and discussing is going to make it the same. It's the same difference between downloading Lost and downloading some movie before it comes out. Two very different animals. But to each his own. If someone wants to watch it live, in full screen, more power to them. If someone wants to timeshift, they should be able to as well, in any way they choose. But as moral issues go, it's pretty far down on my list. I want musicians to get paid for their work, I want filmmakers to get paid. I want writers to get paid. But when I download a TV show, they still get paid and the Nielson system doesn't even count me. Why waste time worrying about something that has no effect whatsoever on the survival or success of something I watch? No effect on anything. I have the DVDs, too. I could have downloaded them. I want them because I LOVE this show. But I don't love it so much that I pretend that downloading it hurts the show somehow. Like I'm taking a nickel out of Darlton's pocket every time I have my VCR tape it and I skip over the commercials manually. Do you feel guilty for leaving the room during commercials to grab a beer? I know YOU are just teasing, but some of these people actually buy into this stuff in a big way. To them I might as well be kicking puppies and tripping old ladies. It's selective moral outrage, and in the end, just kind of goofy.

  • April 24, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I like to make it with sparkling water. It's like soda.

  • April 24, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Oh Yeaaaah!!!

    by gotilk

  • April 24, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Kool-aid flavors on wiki visual

    by gotilk

  • April 24, 2008, 7:16 p.m. CST


    by suit and tie


  • April 24, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    No-one move.... hold still

    by gotilk

    suit and tie's vision is based on movement.

  • April 24, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST

    it's perfect!

    by redfishbluefish

    oh nodey, you couldn't have chosen better. such a romantic.<p> can this be our song? <p><p>

  • April 24, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    That's the best midi web cheese I've seen

    by gotilk

    in years!

  • April 24, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    we have approval

    by redfishbluefish

    from room 23!<p> i can totally picture will ferrell and anna gasteyer.

  • April 24, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    T-1hr25mins. aaarrrrggghh! why? why? why?

  • April 24, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    must we wait?<p>

  • April 24, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    'suit and tie's vision is based on movement'. brilliant.

  • April 24, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    gotilk, "The shiny, candy-like invisotext..."

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Space Madness rules! <p> I love a good Ren & Stimpy reference. <p> "Ohh, the shiny, candy-like button!"

  • April 24, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Fount of Useless Info

    by CherryValance

    You're right. Now I'll have to come up with a new secret identity. This isn't me anymore. *covers eyes*

  • April 24, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Hey redfish, L.H.!

    by gotilk

    Good to see ya. You noticed the Ren and Stimpy reference. Cool. I wasn't sure anyone would. I have SPACE MADNESS!! waiting for Lost to air.

  • April 24, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Ren & Stimpy

    by shellfishh

    "Do you have any rubber walrus protectors?" <br><br> From Ren and Stimpy, still the creepiest thing ever uttered in a piece of animation.

  • April 24, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST


    by gotilk

    SO many of those moments in Ren and Stimpy. To this day, when I see something really, really creepy, I whisper to the person next to me "call.. the.. police..".

  • April 24, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST


    by shellfishh

    "I...have a dream. That someday, everyone, everywhere, will know the wonder of my nipples."<br><br> Or something like that.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST


    by Holodigm

    ben can play rachmaninov

  • April 24, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Risk! I called it!

    by kyle051554

    I KNEW it would be Risk!<br /><br /> Also, this episode fucking rocks so far.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Double WOW

    by shellfishh

    A talkbacker can recognize Rachnaminov.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST


    by mefrog

    How many people just got owned?

  • April 24, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    OMFG that was the sheeeyat!

    by theredtoad

    Claire got blown the fuck up!!

  • April 24, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    19 minutes have already gone by

    by CherryValance

    and it felt like 15 were commercials

  • April 24, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Who else LOLed...

    by ddschneider1972

    when Sawyer kept yelling at the "Red Shirts" and they got picked off, 1, 2,3?

  • April 24, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    I think I would like this show better if they fired Lindelof

    by Mose Schrute

    And put Drew Goddard and Brian Vaughn in charge. This episode is kicking ass.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    I have no idea what's going on

    by CherryValance

    where did he come from and who are these walkie talkers?

  • April 24, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    so did ben teleport to tunisia?

    by mthrndr

    That's what it seems like. and he wasn't sure of the time travel too.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    So, is it me...

    by ddschneider1972

    or was that last segment shorter than the commercial breaks?

  • April 24, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Oh Ice Cream Bar

    by edshrinker

    How I love your creamy filling. <p> MMMMMmmmmmmmm<p> (Bubbles)<p> MMMMMMMmmmmm<p> (more bubbles)

  • April 24, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    the mercs are obviously from the chopper

    by mthrndr

    remember? they were "on a mission" or other similar thing.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Fucking commercials.

    by mefrog

    A half hour has gone by, we've seen what, eighteen minutes?

  • April 24, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    here's where ben recruits sayid

    by mthrndr


  • April 24, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    AH! Look away... look away west coast

    by gotilk


  • April 24, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Ohhhh nooo

    by CherryValance

    And I thought my dad sucked.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST


    by mthrndr


  • April 24, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    I can't believe you had to waste bandwidth explaining the morality of sharing free TV on P2P Networks.<p> For those of you who have grabbed LOST and BSG from me - you know everything is legit and I don't slipe anything funky in there. I share because I have a love for fans of my favorite shows. Some can't see them for months or years later...if at all. So I do what I can to help.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST


    by mefrog

  • April 24, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST


    by Holodigm

    they're just killing off characters

  • April 24, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST


    by kyle051554


  • April 24, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers


  • April 24, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST


    by Maxer

    Didn't think that would actually happen. But does give some motivation as to why Ben actively pursues Widmore after they get off the island, for sure.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Son of a bitch.

    by Shermdawg

  • April 24, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Good God

    by edshrinker

    THAT is the first time I ever saw Ben in PURE SHOCK AND SADNESS. HE IS HUMAN! And I think he has just really become one of the Good Guys.<p> Poor Fuckin Alex.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Holy Christ!

    by arcade fireman

    That was Cold Blooded.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Yes skywalkerfamily, Locke died.

    by Shermdawg

  • April 24, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    ben is about to pull out smokey

    by mthrndr

    trust me.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    And I can't believe I mean this

    by edshrinker

    Poor Ben

  • April 24, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Ben's Got that look . . .

    by Larry of Arabia

    the same one Bruce Banner got just before he turned into the Hulk.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    he thought he and widmore had an unspoken deal

    by mthrndr

    but apparently they don't. ben's about to use smokey to kill all these fuckers.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    I'm glad some of the redshirts are dying

    by Maxer

    Maybe there will be no Oceanics left on the island when all is said and done.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    dude what date did they say the flash forwards were in

    by Norm Cascade

    I missed that part earlier. 2005, right?

  • April 24, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Fucking weak

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    But apparently Claire can survive a rocket launcher attack.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    west coast - look away

    by mthrndr

    ben doesn't recruit sayid - sayid is working WITH ben, not FOR ben. this episode is unbelievable.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    That should do it!

    by edshrinker

    I LOVE that Ben line. <p> And Sayid BEGS Ben to let him work with him. God Damn I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!

  • April 24, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    I just screamed really loud

    by CherryValance

    LOL what a wimp

  • April 24, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    super nintendo chalmers

    by mthrndr

    I happily accept your resignation from this board. oh AND DID I FUCKING CALL IT OR WHAT! SMOKEY UNLEASHED

  • April 24, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    You called it

  • April 24, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    telling us location?

    by jccalhoun

    Have they ever told us the location of a flashback or forward before? I don't remember them doing that before.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    "I happily accept your resignation from this board"? What are you talking about?

  • April 24, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Cerabrus to the rescue!

    by edshrinker

    Bad ass smokin bee atch

  • April 24, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Ben and his Pet Smokie

    by edshrinker

    How cute!

  • April 24, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    I'm giddy

    by kyle051554

    That was so fucking cool. HE CALLED THE FUCKING SMOKE MONSTER.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    so wait

    by CherryValance

    (west coast spoilers) Does this mean that Danielle is definitely dead? Her storyline doesn't need to go any further if Alex is dead. That totally sucks though.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Fuck this is good

    by arcade fireman

    OMFG this episode is kicking all sorts of ass. Ben controls Smokey? Smokey kills em' all!!!

  • April 24, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    it's official

    by Holodigm

    Ben has surpassed Sawyer as King Badass!

  • April 24, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    chalmers - did I misunderstand your weak comment

    by mthrndr

    if you're calling this episode weak, you're delusional. this may be one of the greatest episodes they've ever done, so far. oh, and is it me or was that last break like 30 seconds long.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    geez thanks, daniel

    by CherryValance

    this situation is so not improving

  • April 24, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    I was calling it weak that Alex bit the dust. Great episode. And I bow to the smoke monster call. No one may believe it, but I called that they were playing risk before they showed it.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Oh no he didn't

    by CherryValance

    uhhhhhhhhh don't point the gun at him

  • April 24, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Big Brother Sawyer

    by edshrinker

    I love how this is developing

  • April 24, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    ok - sorry

    by mthrndr

    disregard my comment.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    i still don't beleive that they are dead

    by jccalhoun

    I still don't believe that Alex or the French Woman are dead. No funeral, not dead.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    did not see this coming.

    by mthrndr

  • April 24, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST


    by mthrndr


  • April 24, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST


    by CherryValance

    I hate Ben. Don't kill her. *sobs*

  • April 24, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    I guess he shouldn't have changed the rules. Desmond's gonna be pissed. Those two should just play a game of Risk.

  • April 24, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    YOu have got to be kidding me

    by edshrinker


  • April 24, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Just throwing this out there.....

    by shellfishh

    Do we have any evidence that Widmore is NOT Hanso? If they don't age.......

  • April 24, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Off to prep my illegal video

    by edshrinker

    I'm such a bad ass.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    The gods are playing a game with us

    by rbrog77

    That is all...for now

  • April 24, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Great episode

    by alex138

    nuff said.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Desmond is gonna die!!!

    by theredtoad

    When he loses his constant, who's about to be killed by Ben!

  • April 24, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    A lot went down in that episode. I have to say that the highlight was Ben's pet monster. Close second was Risk. I love Risk.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    WHO is Charles Widmore, really?

    by arcade fireman

    His island? Is he immortal like Richard Alpert? Holy shit this story just gets better and better and my mind is officially blown.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    I might be Hanso at this point

    by CherryValance

    I don't know what's going on. They can't kill Penny though. I will lose it. LOSE IT.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST


    by zillabeast

    I fucking mean it, too. GLORIOUS!!!!

  • April 24, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    here's my take

    by mthrndr

    Widmore worked with hanso to develop the dharma initiative to exploit the island. Ben took that away in the purge, working with the hostiles/others. Now widmore's trying to get back. ben is on a vendetta, and widmore's still looking for the island. the answers are starting to come, and the story is starting to flesh out nicely. we know how sayid started working with ben. we know ben control cerberus. we know what ben is doing off the island. what we're missing is most of the island native mythology - the lack of aging, the lack of children, the statue, the temple. I'm confident all that will come now. you can't create an episode as stellar as this and not know exactly what you're doing.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Damn Ben

    by arcade fireman

    I understand but don't kill Penny just yet. Desmond loves her and they must reunite. After that, kill the bitch!

  • April 24, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Back to form

    by dean999

    Solid episode all around. They actually featured pretty much all of the characters. In Hurley's 4.1 flashforward, he tells Jack that he's sorry he went with Locke. Could he actually be referring to this upcoming cabin search?

  • April 24, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Hell hath no fury

    by MeshGearFoxx

    like the smoke monster unleashed. Very nice return to Lost - I missed thee. Buncha good stuff tonight. Well we know that Ben visited Widmore when he went in that room in the house, very cool. Now we have the Penelope/Desmond vs Ben line. That is going to be intense. And I finally got something right with my prediction that it was the boat people who shot Karl and Rousseau at the end of 4.8. Oh and Ben Linus can be the next Indiana Jones.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    don't worry, ben won't kill penny

    by mthrndr

    it may end up being the climax of the series, but ben won't do it. it would be completely antithetical to his idea that he's a 'good' person.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    i have a feeling

    by mbg98

    that charles widmore knew Ben when he was a kid, thats why he called him "boy" ergo he was either one of the original island inhabitants or one of the pirates who crashed (or was teleported?) on the island in the Black Rock. Makes sense. He kinda sounds like a pirate too. "that island's MINE." They also seem to have an unspoken set of rules between them, like they've been playing a private game of hide and seek for a long, long time.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    So... how many people who survived the original crash are actual

    by mefrog

    It seems like with the elimination of the three by Whitty's crowd, they've wiped out pretty much everyone but the major characters (and maybe a couple on the beach). Anyone know who's left of the passengers?

  • April 24, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Wow, this really is the greatest show of all time

    by Sakurai

    Its so good it hurts. I cant believe this is a network TV show. Brilliant episode (although the smoke monster was kind of a let down, I was hoping for ben to have some superpower that had yet to be seen).

  • April 24, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST


    by MeshGearFoxx

    Yeah I think the 'I never shoulda went with Locke' is referring to the moment tonight when he volunteered to go to with Locke. Without Hurely they wouldn't be able to find Jacob's cabin and the fun stuff that ensues

  • April 24, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    bad memory

    by trafficguy2000

    when did Sai find his wife in the first place? Very nice ep otherwise, wish it was still a 9 start east cost tho...

  • April 24, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    that episode sucked

    by krycek08

    they threw in every cliche they could imagine, oh a next week jack needs surgery, LOL, how weak.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST


    by sjlm90

    I like how this show always seems to blow our minds. Has anyone mention the teleportation that Ben did at the beginning? Throwing up being the "ride's" effects.. Smokey is like a freight train. and Penny can't die! CAN'T! unless from old age, with Desmond on the side. And I still don't buy that Roussou is dead.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST


    by SilentP

    Jesus Christ Almighty that was fantastic. That was like my favorite episode ever. <br>Ben is such a fucking badass. I don't know where all that badassness came from, but I am extremely pleased to see it. <br>I'm wondering if the Ben/Widmore situation is supposed to be a kind of God/Devil game, where they're trying to see who will win, good or evil. Hence, the "rules". But I dunno.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    I mentioned this several hours ago, but I was one who thought The Others killed Karl and Rousseau. So good call, because I feel like a fucking douche. I was like "stop over-thinking it, it's obviously The Others." I should have learned by now that nothing is fucking obvious.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST

    mthrndr that whole notion about Ben

    by theredtoad

    is out the window.. You heard him say it "He changed the rules". Ben's daughter was murdered, and we all know what a father would do when he loses a child on this show. <p>AAAAAAAAAAALLEEEEXX!

  • April 24, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    This show is all over the fucking place.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Seriously. From complete ridiculousness to "Oh my God, I can't believe Ben just called Smokey!" coolness.<P>This episode was wildly uneven but it saved itself with the face-to-face between Ben and Widmore. Which has got me thinking:<P>Who else thinks that Widmore used to be on the Island many years ago...long before Ben came there? Cause I'm thinking Charles and Richard Alpert might have been on the Island circa Black Rock...if not earlier.<P>(If that's the case, then it would make up for the stupid multi-millionaire industrialist who wants the Island for himself! stuff.)

  • April 24, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Last scene

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    If they are such mortal enemies, why don't they try to kill each other? Are they protected by the island, or do they get off on their little game?

  • April 24, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Regarding Widmore, it sounds like you and I are on the same wavelength.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    holy shit....

    by br1947

    I really don't know what else to say... holy shit! Not to geek out too much, but did the "They changed the rules" scene with Ben remind anyone else of the scene from Buffy where Tara got shot and Willow went batshit crazy and started killing everyone? Ben was twisted before, but shit I'm looking for him to start pulling lightning bolts from the sky now.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    The hero of the series

    by dean999

    I think, ultimately, that Hurley will end up being the hero of the show. The nuances that the writers throw into his flashbacks portray him as very innocent and pure at heart. His morality hasn't been tainted or shaken like most of the others. Also, the writers have been setting him up for something great. He deserves the ultimate payoff in the end--whether its through sacrifice or happiness. I just see a wealth of opportunity with his mental insecurities/capabilities that have been set up and purposely put on the backburner in order for something huge to occur

  • April 24, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    SN Chalmers

    by MeshGearFoxx

    no you can definitely make a case for either scenario but you're right, nothing is fucking obvious haha. It was the first time tonight when Be hasn't been in control of a situation (i.e., outcome was his). Wow, the look on his face after her death. And I loved the camera on him when Locke and Sawyer were talking around him. Great shot.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST


    by 5-15-9

    I don't know if I agree with that 100 percent. I mean, I follow the logic, but I think Desmond is going to be the hero. He's the only character without any real flaws. He's certainly the most noble.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    it's very possible

    by mthrndr

    widmore may have been on the black rock, even. Also, loved how they offed those three random losties in quick succession. I'm betting it's an homage to star trek and how the random people always get killed. I'm going to have to watch this one again. did ben say to widmore "you know I can't do that[kill you]"? I was too busy picking my jaw off the floor to here. I totally didn't expect that ending at all. ben going after penny, whoa.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    The jacket Ben had on in the desert...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    It was a DHARMA jacket with the nametag "Halliwax".<p><p>Maybe Widmore was the original captain of the Black Rock. (Wasn't it a slave ship?) So that makes him double evil -- a slave-ship captain. Since Widmore has been unable to return to the island, he has been growing old. He's mortal now. He doesn't want to die. That's why he wants to go back to the island. Simple as that.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST


    by jimbojones123

    krycek08 actually has a legit gripe. The Appendamnican'tbelievetheyaredoingthis is kinda lame.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    everyone saying widmore was on black rock

    by Holodigm

    remember, he owns a painting of the black rock, or something like that. i forget, it's been a while, but he's definitely connected to it.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST


    by dean999

    I would be incredibly happy if Desmond gets the payoff. He's always been my favorite character. But I can't seem to shake the idea that the creators had some epic plan for Hurley from day one. Well, I guess thats the genius of the will probably keep us guessing up till the series finale

  • April 24, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST


    by KnightShift

    That's the first thing I thought too. Hurley wasn't responsible for any great tragedy by going with Locke to the barracks, but if he's helping Locke find Jacob's cabin that just screams out foreshadowing.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    What interest does Widmore have in

    by MeshGearFoxx

    killing Nadia? Sure the guy was obviously tailing him but that doesn't mean he's linked to the murder. Plus Sayid was awfully quick to jump to Ben's conclusion based on one photo lol I don't quite understand that. Or was Ben lying about that so Sayid would have motivation to join Ben in his fight against Widmore. I'm thinking of Ben's smirk at the end of that scene here.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST


    by Sebilrazen

    so, did Ben get teleported to Tunisia? Same area as the excavated polar bear I reckon. Amazing episode, Benjamin Linus kicks ass.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST


    by jimbojones123

    Really, with the overcliche redshirtism you think this may be a direct reference to Star Trek? Come on. It isn't all about Roddenberry. Isn't Jack trying to tap two chicks SOOOOO Kirkish. And Ben is so Logical in how he evaluates situations. Because we all know that until Star Trek, the good of the one was more important than the good of the many. Sorry Alex. Oh, and I can't wait til next week when Juliette says "Dammit Kate, I'm a Doctor, not a Doctor. Jack isn't going to make it." Or when Sayied is trying to fix the radio and says "I'm giving it all I got, Deasmond." Way to look at poeple dying and say STAR TREK IS THE BASIS FOR EVERYTHING WITH MEANING!!!! Dumbass.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST


    by Fish Tank

    I mean that in the nicest way, but...<br><br> HOW can you possibly watch the show AND type at the same time? I'm one of thosepeople that gets/wants to be completely immersed in a show and can't stand distraction. If you're typing while watching, don't you find you're missing something? Have you tried not to?<br> <br> Anyway - GREAT episode, I could watch this show 'til I'm 103 years old.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Widmore doesn't just own the Black Rock painting...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    He owns the ship captain's journal, which he won at the auction where Desmond went to find him. The journal is obviously a plot device, which was set up in that scene.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST


    by jimbojones123

    Maybe Nadia is more "in the know", or He's just trying to fish out Ben. He was expecting him.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    I don't know if I saw the future but I knew he'd go after Penny

    by Stormwatcher

    Mainly because she's Widmore's Daughter. Can't believe they killed off Rousseau and her kid. I know we will get the backstory but that is some UNRESOLVED shit man. To those that say this is uneven, buy a level dude. PLEASE GAIUS TELL ME, TELL ME TO MY F**KING FACE WHAT IS UNEVEN ABOUT THAT EPISODE. Oh and I adore BSG so don't bring it into your argument. They are exclusive. Awesome. and beyond your reproach. Unless you wrote a Rome Season1 and 2. Then you can criticize, cuz then you would be a God.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Fish Tank

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Commercials help.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    you know, I always thought Sayid was the baddest ass on the show

    by mthrndr

    And as much as I loved his flash-forward episode a couple months ago, I was a little miffed at the end when he seemed to be working for ben. but I, like most other people, made the assumption that he was somehow doing this against his will, and that ben was controlling sayid. But this episode turned that on its head. Sayid is STILL the badass I thought he was - in fact working with ben instead of for him. And the brilliance of the show is this: this can be true, and it can STILL be possible that ben is pulling the 'long con' on sayid, and used Nadia's death to manipulate sayid into WANTING to do Ben's bidding. In fact, I'm sure this is true. Ben wants to use Sayid to kill Penny, so that he doesn't have to pull the trigger. That way ben can still be 'good'. And even so, it takes nothing away from Sayid's awesomeness.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    That is an A+ Episode

    by edshrinker

    And I mean it by God. <p> Time/Spacial teleportation and the "effects" witnessed right in the first 30 seconds. Ben has quite a toy...which he leaves behind (and now can't find the island) by coming out to deal with Widdy. <p> We get Ben's ability to call Smokie to defend the island...though if Ben or anyone else got in it's way, it is probably unpredictable. <p> Ben and Widdy are locked in a game for control of that island - but the deal was, no killing family. WIddy broke the rules. No our lovely Penny is in harms way. Des and Ben have got to work this one out. <p> Ben IS AN ASS KICKER!!! <p> Jack is gonna need surgery (maybe why they take him as an O-6?) <p> Damn there is just so much. <p> I LOVE THIS SHOW!

  • April 24, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    I think I figured something out...

    by lennonisgod

    Ben, obviously, time traveled to the Sahara at the beginning. Him lying on the ground with his head shaking being the first clue, and then not knowing the exact year being the second. So what I am thinking is that the polar bear skeleton with the Dharma collar was a test for the time travelling equiptment. They were sending animals through because they didn't want to test on humans first. This is most likely the usage fo the orchid station, one that can transport someone to a differant place and time. Makes sense to me. Smoke monster owns man.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Austrailia is the key to the whole game

    by Steve_Dooku

    "says you" <br><br> hmmmmm.......

  • April 24, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    jimbojones123, fail.

    by mthrndr

    just fail.<br><br><br> douche.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST


    by MeshGearFoxx

    Your comments are along the lines of what I posted. I agree. Sayid is working for Ben even tho he thinks he is working with him. Ben is likely the one that killed Nadia to create teh motivation. I like your point of Ben having Sayid hunt down Penny. Has Sayid seen what Penny look slike yet? Did he ever see Desmond's photo? If so, I want to know how Ben is going to frame it so Desmond is willing to kill her.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST

    The hotness of the Alex! Lost!

    by newc0253

    nooo! First Nikki, now Alex. she'd better come back as a smokezilla apparition or something.<p> p.s. great episode.<p>

  • April 24, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Sayid & Penny

    by Redfoot the Fence

    Didn't Sayid see Penny on the helicopter with Desmond? I'm pretty sure he did...

  • April 24, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Piltdown Joey

    by MeshGearFoxx

    My understanding is that the London scene occurred when Ben went into his secret room after Alex had been killed. With time running slower on the island, what took seconds on the island took minutes in London.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST


    by CatVutt

    Just a kick-ass, take-no-prisoners episode. Fucking awesome. I have no problem blasting this show when it fails, so I have to fucking applaud when it kicks ass...and tonight kicked ASS. Best episode of the season...hell, right up there with the best of best.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Your horribly heinous crime has been done

    by edshrinker

    Here is...<p> LOST - The Shape of Things to Come.S04E09 <p> By Edshrinker <p> Enjoy<p>

  • April 24, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    And speedy!

  • April 24, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    My Theory *** READ IT ALL***

    by chaseguy17

    When you enter the island, you jump 2 years into the future. When you leave the island, you jump 2 years back. (or so...heck, maybe its 108 days). Here's my thoughts on this. Charlotte found a dharma symbol in the desert of Tunisia...yet this was before Ben had escaped the island. (or was it?) This is why Ben is rich, and this is why Charles wants the island so much. If you set up satellites, equipment etc., like Ben and the others have done, you can receive television, internet and communications with the rest of the world. Think of the power you would have if you could have information 2 years ahead of time. Stock markets, gambling, etc., you could make billions. Which is what they do. They leave the island and play the market. This explains how Juliet's sister was cured from cancer so quick. Because while it seemed like such a short was really two years later. So essentially, when the oceanic 6 escape the island and leave...they jump 2 years back from the time they are on the island. So the oceanic six could literally be back in the "real world" before the rescuers have even left. Ben could have buried the dharma symbol before Charlotte even left on the plane. Just something to think about...but I definitely think the rocket test that was performed a few episodes ago, that showed the huge delay was the huge indication of this. It also gives reason to why Charles wants the island so bad. Now for my sketchy hunch: Tonight when Ben went into his closet/tomb, I definitely think he went back in time. In fact...i think he went back in time and killed some of the guards that were in front of the house. Rather than have some huge discrepancy that would shatter the space time continuum, I think the smoke monster is a worm hole (similar to Donnie Darko). The smoke monster kills everyone in the present who was just killed in the past as a way to create a status quo/constant. People see people from their past with the smoke monster...because the monster is a wormhole. Everything about it is time. People see people from their past when they stare into it. This would also need to imply that somehow Eco was killed in the past, and so was the pilot. I wouldn't be surprised if we see an episode with the pilot being murdered creating huge question marks. Well hopefully my crazy theory helped answer that.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    What an AWESOME episode!!! I can't believe Alex is dead! <p>Might as well give the Emmy to LOST already. Nothing on television even comes close!</p>

  • April 24, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST


    by Series7

    So Tom Sawyers action scene right before the second commercial were those three extras got shot one after another..... HILARIOUS! Oh Jack Bender what comedic situations do you have install for me for the rest of the funniest show on tv? Perhaps a cameo from Chucky? One can only hope.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Wow, chaseguy17

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    "The smoke monster kills everyone in the present who was just killed in the past as a way to create a status quo/constant." What a theory.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    GOT IT!

    by gotilk

    More than an hour early. Yay.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    decent EP

    by BurgerKing

    The last 15 minutes were the best though. I was only so-so digging the hostage situation and explosions. Lost is about the suspense, not so much action. Which is why it's awesome. I was satisfied though, maybe my lack of enthusiasm is from the 4 week or whatever drawback.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    It was even more funny when Sawyer managed to evade the machine gun fire by hiding behind a picket fence.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    great episode

    by tbransonlives

    Halliwax's jacket, nice little easter egg for us geeks.

  • April 24, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    SN Chalmers

    by MeshGearFoxx

    haha yeah that was classic A-team action scene cheese. How in the world Sawyer didn't get hit when those three bystanders got nailed in quick succession by someone with good aim is beyond me. THen all of a sudden the shooting stops and allows him to find claire? Oh well, we certainly don't watch Lost for the action scene realism, right? haha

  • April 24, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    apparently im in the minority

    by BurgerKing

    Everyone else thought this episode was THE SHIT. Hmm, I'll rewatch it tomorrow and hype myself up alittle more or something.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    Where did you get that idea? <p> I admit - that is a truly cool concept...but Ben's face is quite messed up on island, and his scence in London he is very well groomed and as Widdy pointed out "Tan" - Ben said it was from being in Iraq.<p> I really like the idea - going to him right then ansd there to say"you broke the rules, all bets are off" - but too much talk about them both needing to find the island again. Penny is on that island with Des...and Ben wants back to kill her. Des will be against that. <p> Unless you have some super scoopage to spill - I just can't buy into that as much as I like it.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Ben's Teleportation

    by ChrisVenom

    Did he time travel? Im saying that because he didnt know what day or year it was.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST


    by MeshGearFoxx

    Yeah you make good points there. Was just a theory and I've certainly had my share of inaccurate ones. I think it was him saying the rules have changed right before walking in there and then saying it again with Widmore which led me to that. I can chalk up another bad theory!

  • April 24, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Is this the end of Team Saymond?

    by CherryValance

    I mean if Ben's gonna go after Penny and Sayid is working with him. *sigh* This deal gets worse all the time.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST


    by shellfishh

    I like the theory of Ben teleporting from the hidden room to tell Widmore what he was going to do.<br><br> I also take what Ben said to mean that Widmore cant be (easily) killed.<br><br> But considering Sayid asks him how he got off the island he Ben says a boat, I'm thinking things (and Ben's teleport closet) are going to get seriously fucked up in the next three weeks.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Ben "teleported" off the island from 2004 into 2005. He asked the lady in Tunisia about the date. <p>I am beginning to suspect that Widmore and Ben (as we know them) are from the distant past (or future) and are trying to find their way back to the island. </p> I also believe that NO ONE was in that casket in last year's finale. It was supposed to have been Ben...but it was a set up to make the world believe that he was dead (methinks).

  • April 24, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST


    by ChrisVenom

    you beat me to it... Didnt Darlton say that they wouldnt ever deal with physical time travel? Like a person being transported somewhere in a different time. Can anyone back that up?

  • April 24, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Tonight's episode was incredible!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    It was so cool to watch Smokey tearing up the Commando's from the boat!

  • April 24, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Super Nintendo Chalmers

    by Series7

    Yeah that was the worst action sequences I've seen in a while. Why sawyer hasn't just killed the guy from Saw (Ben for you Lost types)(who is showing that he is perfect to play a real life Stewie Griffin) is beyond me.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Has anyone ask WHY Ben was wearing the jacket?

    by br1947

    Perhaps he had paid a visit to the anarctic monitoring station before he teleported?

  • April 24, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Yeah, that jacket was weird. Where was Ben that he needed a heavy jacket? was a DHARMA jacket!

  • April 24, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Also the hidden, hidden door

    by br1947

    looks like the Dharma stuff was built on something much more anceint, and since Smokey seemed to have been summoned from there... Smokey is quite, quite old? I'm still sticking with the Atlantis theory!

  • April 24, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST


    by Mazzle

    What I found intriguing: <br><br> - Hurley saying "Australia is the key to it all" when playing Risk. That felt like a little easter egg clue. <br><br> - Widmore saying "I know who you are, and I know WHAT you are" to Ben. <br><br> - Widmore saying that he was having nightmares as if it were some sort of symptom. Island withdrawal of some sort? I'm liking the theory that he really may be Hanso. <br><br> - The reason that Ben can't kill Widmore. <br><br> - Ben saying that only Hurley can lead them to the cabin, but then, at the end of the episode, begins leading the group to it himself. <br><br> - Unexpected teleportation?!? For those who were wondering, the Arabic guys were saying that there were no footprints around Ben. And the guy who was on the horse mocked him saying, "What, do you think he just fell out of the sky?" <br><br> As for Ben seeking to kill Penny, I don't mind. She was really annoying in HBO's "Tell Me You Love Me". I think I'd enjoy seeing her die. Poor Des though. <br><br> The only thing I didn't like was how Saiid so quickly accepted the story Ben gave him. He barely glanced at the photo that was the evidence, didn't question its authenticity coming from Ben, and immediately ripped it up. It seemed completely naive and out of character. <br><br> Chris, I don't think he time traveled. He correctly guessed the year before he was told, so I think he was simply teleported. My feelings were that all the off-island scenes were from a single flash-forward, including the scene with Widmore.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    You d/l from me?

  • April 24, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST


    by The Alienist

    First, Sawyer and Claire were somehow not killed even though they easily should have been. I'm guessing it was because, like Michael, they're not "supposed" to die yet. Is that part of the original agreement between Ben and Widmore, that Alex could NOT die? I'm thinking something happened to the original crew and slaves of the Black Rock, that a war broke out amongst the crew and using the supernatural properties of the island a Captain Hanso and First Officer Widmore somehow trapped the leader of the other side, Jacob, on the island and they escaped (taking a slave, Abbadon, with him). They grew rich in the ensuing years and came back to the island, investing in the Dharma Initiative. But Jacob's side was still on the island and using young Ben, they finally regained control. This war has been going on for hundreds of years.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Good finds, dude!

  • April 24, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST


    by shellfishh

    I am VERY surprised there has been virtually NO discussion of the USA Today article with the producers dissecting the fan theories.<br><br>The most important part of the article were the conspicuous omissions of certain theories.....

  • April 24, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    edshrinker (and SPOILER!)

    by gotilk

    No, I grabbed it from . GREAT EPISODE! Anyone think I'm fibbing?<br> <br> "Sleep tight, Charles."

  • April 24, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    teleport and time travel

    by Mazzle

    I don't think there was any indication that he teleported and time traveled when he went into the secret chamber. I think he went in there just to let Smokie loose. <br><br> It's much more likely that the Widmore scene was part of the flash forward. The fact that he guessed the year correctly in Tunisia seems to indicate that he was in his present. (The current year is the most likely initial guess.) And the fact that they called so much attention to the fact that he was tan when talking to Widmore means that it occurred after he was in the Middle East. It's possible he time traveled, but I think it's much more likely he wasn't able to get off the island until 2005, was teleported to Tunisia, traveled to Iraq, then traveled to Widmore. Even though his daughter may have been long dead, the first thing he talked about was his daughter because it was the first time he's talked to Widmore since her death.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:56 p.m. CST

    changed the rules

    by Mazzle

    Another possible interpretation of Ben saying that Widmore broke or changed the rules might in reference to time travel and altering the timeline. Perhaps they both have knowledge of the risks of time travel and know that they're not supposed to change things in the present that they know to be true in the future. If that's true and they both know that his daughter was alive in the future, Widmore may have been changing the rules by altering that.

  • April 24, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Thos last few minutes...

    by gotilk

    wow.. They picked the right actor, I'm sure of it now.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Those, not Thos.

    by gotilk

    Darned fat fingers. Hey look, Grey's Anatomy ran a bit long it seems. Strange. Boy, I'm glad I don't watch that show.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    I purposely waited an hour

    by Charlie Murphy

    after seeing the episode before coming here, to stew it over, and as soon as i thought i had some pretty sweet ideas, i come and most of them have already been said. Great episode, and I love reading what everyone has to say every week. Mazzke, great points, i noticed most of them while watching the episode (thanks for the translation). God, LOST is one of the few shows i watch sitting up (usually i lay on the couch) and my eyes are wide and jaw is gaping for the whole hour. glad alan dale's widmore seems to be more than a background character... and this history/agreement with ben is very interesting. widmore's fascination with the island and the black rock make me want answers now. someone mentioned maybe he was ON the black rock which was almost too cool for my brain to comprehend... the time travel/teleportation ideas are ridiculously awesome, and i will surely be spending a lot of time thinking about it. The show has never explained how "special" walt is, but it was implied he has some kind of crazy powers, so it kinda sorta makes sense someone else could have similar abilities. hopefully the powers are island-related... it would be a shame to screw up the "real world" aspect of the show... i can handle weird shit on the island or because of the island, but all the off-island stuff we've seen on the show is about normal (seemingly) ordinary people. It's been long speculated that smokie is a defense system, and it been pretty much confirmed tonight. still don't know WHAT is is, but kind of what it does. umm... i think that's all i got for now.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:31 a.m. CST

    This episode was perfect.

    by GenPion

    That episode just blew my mind. The final scene was one of the best played/directed in the entire shows history. Thank you LOST for the Early Birthday Present! I am officially a year older now and couldn't be happier. I'm so excited for the rest of the season now... and bring on the three hour finale!

  • April 25, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Emerson and Emmy

    by necgray

    I swear, if Emerson isn't at LEAST nominated for an Emmy for this season, I'm going to... um... kill... someone? No, I'm a wuss. I'll be quite upset! Jesus, Ben is absolutely fucking amazing. One of the best characters ever. Well-written and superbly-acted. Love him or hate him, you can't deny he's dynamic. Go Team Ben!!!

  • April 25, 2008, 12:49 a.m. CST

    by FredoBaggins

    I found this website a few weeks ago on and it has completely changed the way I view this show. I totally think whoever came up with this theory is really close. If you go to this site, though, you may want to go to this page first,, as he has an update on the home page that won't make sense until you read his whole theory. It's slowly starting to come to light... I don't think it's perfect, but it must be close.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Ben used the orchid to teleport

    by The_Squid anyone else notice the jacket he was wearing said halliwax?

  • April 25, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST

    that's where Char's polar bear came from too

    by The_Squid

  • April 25, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    none of you homos noticed

    by krycek08

    ben mentioned desmond for the first time ever

  • April 25, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    mefrog - regarding the number of survivors.

    by Napoleon Park

    It seems like with the elimination of the three by Whitty's crowd, they've wiped out pretty much everyone but the major characters (and maybe a couple on the beach). Anyone know who's left of the passengers?<p>Jack Shephard, Kate Austen, "Sawyer"/James Ford , John Locke , Sayid Jarrah, "Hurley"/Hugo Reyes, Jin Kwon, Sun Kwon, Claire Littleton, Aaron, Michael Dawson, Rose Henderson, Neil ("Frogurt"), Sullivan, Richard, Jerome.<p>Unnamed survivors seen: ND Survivor, Tourniquet Man, Gas man, Woman. Named survivors never seen: Tracy, Lance. Survivor of 815 but not a human being: Vincent.<p>The shows original premise refered to the 48 Middle section survivors. On addition to the cast of regulars, named extras seen and unseen extras named, there have been a pool or 43 extra actors who have appeared on the series as seen but unnamed characters.<p>"girl in yellow bikini," "guy with receding crewcut," "Striped shirt girl," "brown guy, gray shirt," "blond woman," "yellow shirt man" "Middle aged man, sleeveless shirt" "brunette wman" "Platinum blonde" "dark woman, gray shirt" "blond guy" "nondescript redshirt" "short haired guy" "Polynesian redshirt" "black man with shades" "long haired asian woman" "older man" "sexy Brazilian woman" "food giver" "midsection survivor - and other roles" "background/stand-in/stunts" "redhaired woman" "beach survivor" "cocky smile guy" "scruffy survivor" "pale guy" "Asian guy, tan shirt" "unidentified guy" "bald black guy" "woman with reddish blond hair" "midsection survivor" "unnamed redshirt" "pretty blonde" "man in ringer" "blue shirt" "gray beard" "bluegray shirt" "Purple top" "heavier woman" "rose t-shirt guy" "black woman in pink slip" "Plump blonde in striped shirt" "dark haired woman in brown top" "woman in bluegray hoodie"<p>Obviously that is NOT the number of remaining Flight 815 survivors, just a headcount on the extras who have played the roles. Actually there ought to be about a dozen of so unaccounted "redshirts" left from flight 815. One source stated there were 4 with Lockes group and the rest with Jack's group. We saw three die in the attack on the Otherton barracks, so that leaves ten or less with Jack's group. Not counting Cindy, Zach and Emma who were taken by The others from the tail section group.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    "5-15-9" - regarding nobility and the shows good guys.

    by Napoleon Park

    5-15-9 at 10:21:51 said:<p>I think Desmond is going to be the hero. He's the only character without any real flaws. He's certainly the most noble.<p>In spite of Ben Linus's famous claim to the contrary, I suspect there are very few "good guys" on this show. Our "heroes" are drunks, junkies, killers, torturers, con-men, spies, drug smuggling warlords, patricidal bank robbersm incestuous step-siblings, enforcers, unfaithful wives, bad cops...<p>Desmond, fallen monk, kicked out of the monestary for drinking the wine, accidentally killed Kelvin and harpooned Mikhail - and failing to kill Mikhail led to Charlie's death.<p>Hugo Reyes may not have done anything worse than being superstitious before ariving on the island, but he ran an other over with his minibus during the rescue at the tents.<p>Rose, had faith her husband was alive. The island cured her breast cancer but she is willing to risk her life to return Bernard to their old life.<p>Cindy the stewardess or flight attendent noticed when charlie began to act flakey - either she worried about his welfare or feared for the flight's safety. she called it to the attention of other flight attendents and they chased charlie into the lavatory near the cockpit. Yet when instructed to return to the rear of the plane she did so unquestioningly - the plane began to break up right after that, and she was part of the tail section group. She took the dangerous back-up position on the march to the beach and was taken by the others. she was then seen, when The Others had Jack, kate and Sawyer, settled in as part of the others community in order to serve as caretaker for the taken tailie children Zach and Emma (and possibly the non-canonical "other girl" seen only in ABC promo photos.)<p>So I'd rank cindy and Rose as the noblest and most guilt free of the characters on the show.<p>I suspect the only real "innocents" are the children. Aaron. Walt. Zach and Emma.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST

    a couple of months ago...

    by bernard

    i posted on a talkback talking all kinds of shit about this show and the love/hate relationship i have with it. <p> since then, every episode has been badass and i have to eat my words. the evil dead smoke monster tonight was one of at least ten incredible moments, and seeing ben play carmen san diego makes this one of my favorite episodes ever. i'll think twice before ranting about the show sucking from now on.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST

    "We both know I can't do that."

    by VirgilHilts

    Because neither one of them literally can't die? Just a thought.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Am I crazy, or was Ben's first breath when he woke up

    by Novaman5000

    Steamy? As though the air around him was cold for a second... Maybe it was just dust...<p> I don't know, but holy shit. The episode was massively shocking and satisfying. The sequence with smokey raping the mercenary team... I mean, honestly, if that sequence didn't make you smile you are not a Lost fan.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST


    by bacci40

    cuz he still needs to fuck jack up the ass

  • April 25, 2008, 2:13 a.m. CST


    by 2Utah2

    I kind of liked when smokey unleashed hell on the troops, but my buddies who I was watchng it with thought Lost went too sci-fi at that moment with Ben being able to summon a "monster" to save the day. I am holding out hope that the creators have an explanation planned, but I can see where it is a little absurd.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:17 a.m. CST

    It was steamy... but it was more kind of all

    by gotilk

    around him, rather than coming only from his mouth.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    That was more kinds of awesome than I could count

    by Napoleon Park

    Heck, Ben Linus was more than ten kinds of awesome.<p>Ben in the Sahara with a Dharma parka.<p>Ben takes two armed men with a folding baton, shoots one, leaves the other with a crunched skull (dead, dying or just unconscious?) and leaves them where they lie. Ben is Moriarty. Ben is Dean Moriarty.<p>"What day is it?" "October 23rd." "2005?"<p>The look on Sawyers face when Ben 1.) pulled a shotgun out of his piano stook anbd pumped it and 2.(then handed it to him.<p>BEn telling Keamy he knows exactly what kind of man he is.<p>Ben trying to deal with Keamy and the realization he will always have to live with, that the last words he said before she died were (along the lines) of "Go ahead and shoot her."<p>Ben escapes into his safe room, then through his closet into an ancient tunnel... then comes back out.<p>Smokey, like a freight train of vengence.<p>Ben crushed over his daughter's body and kissing her bloody brow.<p>Ben using himself as bait to lure Nadia's killer out so Sayid could kill him. His casual "I think that's enough" after Sayid emptied a clip into the guy. His wicked smile as he walked away. I don't think he actually engineered that to recruit Sayid, but I think he improvised well and was very pleased with the outcome.<p>Ben tanned and healthy in a black suit, oozing charm and inocence while clutching his baton, fully ready to kill an innocent hotel employee. Ben casually picking the elevator lock to get into Widmore's penthouse.<p>And Jeebus, I thought "Ji Yeon" with the flash forward/back was tricky, but they set the entire episode up showing Ben as deadly, cunning, James Bondian cool, awesome, vulnerable, fallible, vengeful, practically heroic... and then he coldly vows to kill an innocent woman to get at her father and we see the monster we always knew was there come out again. DAMN!<p>If Keamy is very, very lucky, he will be dead before Ben Linus gets a hold of him.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Question 1

    by Napoleon Park

    When Ben hit that guy with a gun butt and rode off on his horse, did he kill him... of just leave him there to die? I don't think he cared either way.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Sheer Class but I hope Rousseau is alive

    by G100

    After learning how Alex died Rousseau would blame Ben and hunt him down as a formidable enemy when he gets back to the Island.<p> <p>Sawyer was allowed to live to enter the house and throw Ben out as was explained,hence he didn't get hit.<p> <p>The smoke monster still at least sounds mechanical to me though that inscribed doorway speaks of 4 toed statue elder civilisation tech.<p> <p>Is the english chick perhaps trying to poison Jack or is it as simple as appendicitis or similar ?<p> <p>Will Jacob appear as jacks father again for Hurley ?<p> <p>Many new questions but many answers too. Lost is delivering.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Question 2

    by Napoleon Park

    When smokey grabbed that soldier and dragged him back into the woods, in addition to black smoke I think I saw red mist, like it was actually vibrating the guy to death. Anyone else see it that way?

  • April 25, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Question 3

    by Napoleon Park

    I know, I'm sick, but - Alex in handcuffs, blindfolded, on her knees. Anyone else get a little turned on? Just me? Never mind, forget I said anything.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Near perfect episode

    by Napoleon Park

    Incredible scenes, incredible lines, incredible costumes, incredible events. A 98% perfect episode, so I hate to nitpick but...<p>Claire's freaking cabin explodes and she survives entirely unharmed because she was under an unburnt, untorn blanket. Huh?<p>I'm glad that even at 10:00 Lost isn't going the ultra-explicit violence route. Alex with blood on her forehead, as Ben kissed her, very sad. But seriously, the way Keamy capped her, half her head and face should have been blown off. Again, not complaining about how they did it, just saying, not that realistic. Especially after the medical traumas of "intestines in hand" and that torn scalp on the doctor show that aired before it.<p>Remember Boone explaining "redshirts" to Locke and Locke's appraisal of Kirk as "a piss poor captain." Three people from Locke's group are gunned down like shooting range targets. Ben stops to cry over Alex, but Locke heads out without a thought to his fallen. Claire's cabin explodes (with her presumably in it) and he doesn't even blink. Locke is a very piss-poor captain indeed.<p>And then he pulls a gun on Sawyer and it willing to take hurley captive in order to find Jacob's cabin. Locke was awesome in season one and parts of season three, but he's totally freaking LOST it.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Still... holee... f*ck...

    by Napoleon Park

    Yeah, I may have a few minor questions and a couple of little quibbles, but the fact undisputably is, that was just about the most f*cking episode of Lost ever.<p>I watched it live as broadcast. My immediate reaction was to come here and just post a series of vulgar non-sequitors. "Holy sh*t" "Holy f*ck" "Holy crap" "Holy Jeebus" "Holy McCall" and so on. But instead I shot up my insulin, made popcorn and watched the thing again and it was better the second time.<p>I've blathered on a bit and barely touched on half of what was awesome about that episode. I mean, that was...<p>Holy f*cking f*ck on a bouncing f*ck-stick. .

  • April 25, 2008, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Australia is the key ?

    by G100

    Was there perhaps more to that seemingly throw away line from Hurley ? Hmmm...

  • April 25, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST

    All right this episode...

    by Ravetin

    ...makes me seriously wonder how it's physically possible for anyone to not like this show. Jesus, if they told me that was this year's season finale I'd have been happy. Shit, I kind of wish it was, I won't even be mentally prepared for more Lost by next week.

  • April 25, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Los Endos - regarding Locke

    by Napoleon Park

    Glancing topside at the article and chart of upcoming eps again, I see next week is Shephard and the week after is Locke.<p>They can either fix Locke or acknowledge that he's gone insane and kill him. Sad to say since he was once my favorite character on the show, but at this point I think I'd be okay with that option.<p>Ender, yeah, cold of him to leave Sawyer and Claire 'locked' out on the porch - unless he thought she was already dead after the directors credit blew her cabin up. At least he showed concern about Aaron, twice telling Hurley not to stand in front of the window holding the bay-bee. And he acknowledged Ben's grief over Alex.<p>But my favorite Locke moment that ep: with all the death, explosions, chaos, terror going on, his big concern was confronting Ben: "You lied to me when you said you didn't know what the smoke monster was."<p>Oh John, what has happened to your priorities?

  • April 25, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Worth the wait.

    by Napoleon Park

    I took part in the previous talk-back, posting every day for over a month. This episode was totally worth the wait.<p>In the mid-'70s Marvel had a comic called Master of Kung Fu and artist Paul Gulacy was doing some awesome art, Steranko-lite mixed with photo-swipes. The problem was, he wasn't fast enough to do that quality of work on a monthly basis, so every other issue was a Keith Pollard fill-in done in the stock Marvel house style. Very disruptive, and folks complained and said Gulacy should work faster. I disagreed - if he needed two months to create the quality, the finished product was worth it.<p>As much as I like having Lost as a weekly series with no interruptions, if it took them a month to do an episode that good, maybe it's worth it. Maybe the weekly series format is obsolete. Think about it - if they did a Monthly TV series - 12 episodes a year - but they were all THAT AWESOME...?<p>Worth the wait, I'd say.

  • April 25, 2008, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Napoleon Park: Disagree and Agree

    by Playkins

    Disagree about Locke not getting his priorities straight. He was and has been obsessed with the island FIRST. The island gave him purpose, made him walk, and gave him back his life. I think it was very much in character to question Ben about Smokie the Monster.<P> I SO agree about monthly tv shows, should it stick to episodic dramas. Fill the rest of the schedual with Sitcoms, news, and reality. Have a few nights a week with a "special monthly presentation". Only problem is, I think advertising dollars would suffer. Some network should try that format, though. Would be interesting to see the effect on viewership.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:10 a.m. CST


    by Keyser Durden

    I still think purgatory has something to do with the whole thing.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:10 a.m. CST

    I don't think Locke's character has really changed

    by The_Squid

    in fact I still think he has one of the most interesting arcs on the show. His story has always been the same, discover the island's secrets and his destiny. I don't think he ever really wanted to be a leader, he just didn't trust the freighties and invited anyone who believed him to come along. His motives have always been somewhat selfish. Let's not forget his obsession with the hatch before and after it was opened and him blowing up the sub. Basically, he wants to learn the island's secrets and to do that he needs to find Jacob. As for his comments on the smoke monster, I'm sure he's getting a little pissed off with Ben by now. Not only does Ben know what it is, he can fucking control it. I agree Locke is no longer my favorite character (since the begining of this season, that honor belongs to Ben), but he still remains a strong character and one of my favorites.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:17 a.m. CST


    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    I wonder if Locke's story arc will be about if he's willing to go as far as Ben as a servant of the island. I have a feeling that, after Widmore is taken care it won't be the end, Ben will have proved himself no better than him, contrary to his statement to Michael on the boat, probably by killing or attempting to kill penny. And also what WhatsHerCans said about Ben too, about him winning the war something about that not being a good thing. And then maybe Locke will replace him as either a better others leader or just as bad.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Its been coming on for a while now

    by Napoleon Park

    But Locke wasn't always quite so thoughtless, self absorbed and, well, insane. But yes, Squid, blowing up the submarine was a symptom. Very illogical and self absorbed - just because he doesn;t want to leave the island, he can;t let anyone leave?<p>And killing Naomi just to get her off the telephone? I thought my dad was bad... I'm suspecting that sitting down in that hatch and pushing that button may have driven Locke around the bend.<p>Nice to see Jurley manning up a bit, though. You don't want me to open the door? Here's a footstool through the window. elegant solution. And coming between two angry men with drawn guns? Blessed are the peacemakers.<p>Oh, keyser, that's always been such an appealing solution, but "Darlton" have said that the show won't have a one line high concept punch line. The pay-offs, tie-ups and big finishes with be deep, rich and complex. it won't be a show that can be wrapped up with a one liner. No "they're all dead and in purgatory", no "Hurley's in a mental institution have a dream".<p>"The Prisoner" didn't end with "the people he used to work for ran the Village" and "Lost" isn't going to end with a punch-line or easy explanation, eigher.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:40 a.m. CST

    How many others are left?

    by Napoleon Park

    Ethan is bead, Goodwin and Pickett are dead. Mikhail is dead. Sherif Isabel and Mrs. Klugh are dead. Tom Friendly is dead. Bonnie and Greta are dead. I forget if the rest of the Others are still over on Other island or if they're supposed to have made it to the Temple by now. Richard Alpert is probably in charge, there are a few folks from the Book Club left, they're riding herd on stewardess Cindy, who's taking care of the tailie children Emma and Zach. There were a few more others who died in the attack on the beach tents. Alex and Karl are dead. Juliet has defected. Ben is with Locke. And no one knows if Jacob is alive or a ghost or what the heck he is. There really aren't more than a handful of Others left, with three tailie prisoners (One adult, two kids). Unless there are a LOT of Others that we never met before now.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Napoleon Park

    by 5-15-9

    I dig ya on that completely. Lost, obviously, has more than one meaning on the show for sure, but I should have specified what I meant about Desmond. More so than not, his motives have been pure. I haven't seen an episode where I don't sympathize with him. And as for Cindy and Rose, it's only because we really don't know anything about them (compared to the other characters) that they seem so clean. Given time, the creators of Lost would find some dirt for them to play in too.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:58 a.m. CST

    When do we get to see the homage

    by The Selecter

    with Smokey in his underground lair with his circle of handlers?

  • April 25, 2008, 6:35 a.m. CST

    ahh TomBodet - where were ya!

    by Maniaq


  • April 25, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST


    by Youguysgotanymilk

    OMG! Great episode. Totally worth the wait. So many great moments. <p> Ben time/space traveling into the middle of the dessert and then totally kicking some Arabian ass. (Why did he need a parka, was he not sure where he was going to land?) <p> "Austrailla is the key to this whole game" (?) <p> Ben admitting Alex wasn't his daughter <p> The smaokey train running through and going ape shit. <p> Ben controlling the smoke monster <p> Bernard stepping it up <p> "What do you mean, the Doctor is fine" WTF! <p> Sayid: "Who's next?" <p> "The rules have changed" <p> Widmore: "The island is mine, it was always mine" (????) <p> Just when I'm starting to feel sorry for Ben... "I'm going to kill your daughter, Penny is it?" Shit <p> So many great moments and new questions brought up. I cant wait for the rest of the episodes!

  • April 25, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Jack's got the sickness

    by Leopold Scotch

    Maybe that's why he (and others?) get off the island (I know he's desperate to get off it anyway, but still).<br><br>It looks as though next week will be mostly about his sickness. Of the three or four plot lines going on just now, I'd rather see Locke/Ben/Hurley/Jacob, then Sayid/Desmod/Michael, then Jack/Faraday/beach, then Sawyer/Kate in that order of preference. Hopefully the next episode won't ignore the best plot lines but I'm sure it'll still be good.<br><br>The fact that Widmore "will never find" the island in the flash forwards suggests that his expidition will ultimately be unsuccessful. We could have guessed that by the fact that Ben was still around in the flash forwards, but there you go.<br><br>

  • April 25, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    I meant Sawyer/Claire/baby

    by Leopold Scotch

    Ah, whatever...

  • April 25, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    To Address the "Lost Sucks" crowd

    by Rickey Henderson

    Rickey doesn't know what show you were watching, but it sure as shit wasn't Lost. Because last night's ep was balls out terrific. The only negative? Watching it live with commercial breaks is BRUTAL.

  • April 25, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Holy batshit

    by rbrog77

    Ed - You're right. It's a game. It's a game. Maybe better described as a contest or test, but it's a game!!<P> lennon - besides the teleportation thing you said, did you also see Ben's expression? Look familiar? If not, go back and look at the first scene of the first episode when Jack wakes up in the jungle. How about them apples.<P> Widmore did not have Nadia killed. Ben did. And it was all part of the plan to recruit Sayid as Ben's assassin. Yes, Ben conned Said by killing his wife.<P> ccchhhrrriiisssm - Ben was a boy and grew up on the island, so he is not from the past or future. Widmore is another story.<P> Leopold Scotch - Jack's sickness is his appendix, so I don't think it's the same.<P> Okay, for thos ethat know me here, you know I can come up with some crazy shit. But you also know I tend to look at the big picture rather than the minute details. I think last night told us the overall picture of the show.<P> The gods never died. <P> Widmore is one of the gods, as is Jacob....and probably Richard, etc. That's why Ben said he couldn't kill Widmore (paraphrased). Ben is human, and somehow he got control of the island. Maybe it was a test to see if he had what it took to be a god. I don't know. Smokie may be Zeus (god of thunder) or may be what Zeus used that made him known as the god of thunder.<P> The gods see all. The gods are seeing things when the whispers are in the jungle. Yes, the gods are the whispers.<P> There is so much more, but I have to get to class. I can't wait to read what you folks have to say about this.<P> rb out

  • April 25, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST

    i have many many thoughts on this

    by redfishbluefish

    episode. very interesting events, to say the least.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Re: "The Rules"

    by Rickey Henderson

    So of "the rules" absolutely must apply to when Ben can summon the smoke moster. Otherwise, why would Ben wait until after they killed of his daughter before unleashing smokey? And judging by the black soot on Ben's face, he probably was calling the smoke monster and not visiting Widmore when he went into that room. So why can't Ben kill Widmore? Probably because he draws his powers from him. (it's probably some sort of a Voldemort/Harry dynamic). Also, no way did Ben kill Said's wifey. They're trying to set up Ben as a sympathetic but flawed person who takes on Widmore. Hell, Rickey's rooting for him.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    "The Rules"

    by Rickey Henderson

    Let's try this again since the first sentence had a typo... <br> <br> So one of "the rules" absolutely must apply to when Ben can summon the smoke moster. Otherwise, why would Ben wait until after they killed of his daughter before unleashing smokey? And judging by the black soot on Ben's face, he probably was calling the smoke monster and not visiting Widmore when he went into that room. So why can't Ben kill Widmore? Probably because he draws his powers from him. (it's probably some sort of a Voldemort/Harry dynamic). Also, no way did Ben kill Said's wifey. They're trying to set up Ben as a sympathetic but flawed person who takes on Widmore. Hell, Rickey's rooting for him.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST


    by Taklamakan

    Keamy lived through the Smokey assault, but guess who else is still alive? Danielle, and she will do terrible things to that thug when she learns of her daughter's death at his hands.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    And where the hell is Keamy's accent from?

    by Rickey Henderson

    That accent of his is tough to place, it's not American, it's definitely something else.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Ben can not Kill Wildmore because

    by Brotherhood of Eternal Sleep

    Ben can not kill Wildmore because Widmore is his constant. Think about it. The constant seems to be a person who is important to you. Well Ben is obsessed with "beating" Wildmore at this game. So he inadvertently becomes his constant.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Keamy is from Thunder Bay, he Canuck that is his accent

    by Stormwatcher

    Nothing more.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    There is no time travel

    by Two

    Ben confirmed the date simply because the island is lost somewhat in time, and he's been on island (prior to teleporting) too long to know the exact date off island. It doesn't mean the teleportation is also transporting through time. I'm pretty sure it's just that in some point in the future he will teleport from the island (after sustaining a decent arm injury). And this will clearly be some time *after* the Oceanic Six get off the island and live their lives. Time moves more quickly off island. That is all.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    how many of you losers actually believe

    by krycek08

    that the producers would never lie to you?

  • April 25, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Hmmm, I wasn't so big a fan of last night's episode, direction t

    by godzillasushi

    I thought that, for what it's worth, this episode felt poorly directed. I'm as big a fan as anyone and I thought the story was fine. But Matthew Fox was totally mailing that in. And Kate especially, looked different. Plus, they shot a rocket at the on fire....cut to Sawyer.....cut to house now a charred frame. Huh?! And Claire was laying on the grass, was she thrown from the house? Did the house not have a floor? Can Claire survive rocket launchers? Why doesn't Claire have any idea what's going on!!!! :) Wierd stuff. I swear they killed off Alex and the other two just to clear out and make some space. Everyone thought Alex was going to have that baby, and now that's probably never gonna happen. I didn't mind it, my issues were mostly with Claire and why she hasn't been killed. All she does is sleep and ask "what's going on." Smoke monster part was really cool. It felt very chaotic like it was being controlled, where normally it's just wondering about.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Has anyone seen my dad?

    by Bastard Son of Superman

  • April 25, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Very subtle - but very cool

    by edshrinker

    Yes Rb - 'tis all a game between Widdy and Ben. And when you know the future - it is against the rules to move in the past to change the future. Ben and Widdy have daughters that were to grow up into healthy happy old women. Widdy has "F'ed" with that timeline. <p> The subtle thing was this: <p> Remember the "incident" where Halliwax lost his arm?. Ben went "through the Machine" or whatever to teleport into the Sahara (love the effects with the coldness/steam breath...very cold when you are teleported - hence the jacket) and did you see the wound ON HIS FREAKIN ARM!! It is a wound, that if it was worse, would have taken his ARM OFF - JUST LIKE HALLIWAX!!! They obviously made improvements, Ben kept the arm, but there is obviously a glitch causing the same frackin injury when you use the machine. Very cool.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    shock and awe

    by redfishbluefish

    something to think about...<p> Ben said "Shock and Awe" about the military attack. This is a military term, but there is also the relation to Chakana, from the incan. I noticed Ben's secret passage door had some ancient carvings that looked incan. <p><p><p><p>

  • April 25, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Anyone seen my dad?

    by Bastard Son of Superman

  • April 25, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    I was thinking the same thing Ravetin

    by theredtoad

    Soon as Hurley said that I knew there was something to it. Is Australia the key? Moreso than Fiji or the Pacific?

  • April 25, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    someone mentioned Ben's breath

    by CherryValance

    since he also appeared in the desert with a parka on, I'm gonna guess he came from somewhere cold. The same place as the polar bear I'm sure. And someone also mentioned the USA today article and the theories that weren't posted. There were no vile vortices posts listed. So I think travelling from a cold climate to the desert helps that theory out right?

  • April 25, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    edshrinker you hit it on the nose!

    by theredtoad

    There must be a connection to Haliwax's lost arm and Ben's injured arm. Or perhaps Ben was injured just before making it through the machine?

  • April 25, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    ben, sayid, penny

    by tha plow

    ben will send sayid to kill penny, but he won't be able to do it because of desmond. mark my words.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    "Australia is the key to the whole game"

    by ArcadianDS

    Anybody else think that the game of Risk was a parallel to the game between Widmore and Ben? That the two of them are playing this game of Risk , wherein Australia was the key to the whole game?<p>

  • April 25, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Of course the doctor is fine

    by Automaton Overlord

    He's a Timelord

  • April 25, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    I hope Vile Vortices works out. I did alot of digging as well as my own work on it...and I think it is a natural phenomenon used by who have interest in the island and it's secret nature. If you check out Room 23 <p>(HTTP://LOSTROOM23.BLOGSPOT.COM) and look for the couple of Vile Vortices topics I put up over is kinda VV 101. <p> I'm looking thorough my Ep library ( I have EVERYTHING LOST related in filefolders on my PC...but nothing marked Candle/Halliwax or anything so I can't find a good clip of his fake arm so I can do a screencap). I would LOVE to put up pics side by side of the Ben pic up in Room 23 and a Dr Halliwax/fake arm shot. But all my memory says those arm slices are in EXACTLY the same spot...but advances has helped Benny to keep an arm. Wow. Wonder how big the print is on the user's manual for that little "adverse reaction" ???????

  • April 25, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Credit where Credit is due and all that

    by edshrinker

    Red Toad - you brought up the Halliwax thing, sorry. CherryV mentioned my mention of the cold-air breath. <p> OK...being a Prof, you'd think I would know this, however...<p> Warm breath hit COLD air causing extreme flash condensation, hence the "cold-air breath". Is their slang or a simple one or two word definition of that???? COld-Air Breath seems clunky. <p> Toad...I really think the cold-air breath had NOTHING to do with him coming from a much colder climate.<p> I think the EXTREME temperature has EVERYTHING to do with the science of Time Travel /Teleportation. And somehow this is tied into the small cold wave Miles' Dust Buster-like device created when he was contacting another dimension (dead or otherwise). Don't know if they will ever expand on Miles' DustBusterish tech...but there it is.

  • April 25, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    I LOST my boner when they killed the daughter

    by Queerbait

    But I did save some Kleenex as the result.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Namaste, motherfuckers!

    by Cheif Brody

    Boy...I had no idea that moniker would have so much bearing on last night's brutally awesome episode. <p> I'm in love with everything you guys have mentioned I won't waste time rehashing. But, I want you to think about something... <p> The Rules. <p> We have seen this before...When Michael got captured trying to get Walt back...he was taken to a Dharma tent where Miss Klugh laid it out for him. "If you want to see Walt have to do something for us". Michael says "Anything"...She continued, "We need you to go back to the hatch (Swan) and release our friend". When Michael asks why HE has to do it...why THEY just don't go bust him out...and Beatrice replied..."We just can't DO that". <P> That line always stuck with me...Because, obviously The Others COULD HAVE gotten ben out themselves...but a "rule" was in place preventing them. <p> So, even as far back as then..."rules" have been in place. Last night these rules were clearly addressed...twice...when Keamy killed Alex...and again in Charles' bedroom. <p> The question is...What rules? Who established these rules? Who enforces these rules? What are the consequences for breaking the rules? <p> In a world as crazy as Lost is...why are people following these rules...and where did they come from?

  • April 25, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Linus,...Ben Linus

    by picardsucks


  • April 25, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Gah! Why can't Ben kill him???

    by Raymar

    The questions!

  • April 25, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Conrats Node32774!!

    by Queerbait

    I could never get married!!! They say you're not allowed to watch reruns when you get hitched!

  • April 25, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    I hate it when they kill the hotties off!

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Ana-Lucia, Libby, now Alex. Hopefully they're having a lesbian three-way in Lost Dead Character Heaven.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    If they previewed LOST early..

    by gotilk

    I bet they'd play the whole episode, not half.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Best place?

    by gotilk

    Try , search for lost s04e09 ... exactly like that. And you should be up and running.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    ashoko is on the right track.

    by gotilk

    if you have Usenet, try they DO have it. But scrapetorrent should be fine as well.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    You can't kill on the island... ?

    by siatrisx

    My first thought : The Island will protect you if you haven't "sinned" : killed someone. They've showed us that All Losties have killed except Locke and Rose (Sun ?), and they Island took care of these two (will Sun survive giving birth because of that ?). Which is why Ben Linus is always finding someone to kill for him (Locke and his father, Sayid. Will Rousseau kill the army guy in the next EP?) AND is why Ben and Widmore cannot kill each other : they simply cannot kill or they'll loose the island's protection. And also, kids are considered pure because most likely they haven't killed. Now my theory doesn't work here : Ben organised the purge, killed his dad. Maybe the Island asked him to so it doesn't count ? Or, if the island let's someone die, then it'S OK because the Island wants it? And Locke ? Remember Boone... (The sacrifice the Island demanded) He killed Naomi... Will that change his fate ? That would explain why they made him kill her, many people mentioned it was kinda out of character for Locke. Anyways, for me that would explain why the writers gave so many passengers on that plane blood on their hands...

  • April 25, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Smoke Monster = cause correcting

    by nutnics

    From my understanding that smoke monster is a form of cause correcting paradoxes in time. So it only appears when you time travel and do something that would make it come to take you off the island. The whole LOST premise will soon be revealed as time travel. I didnt think that you could summon it, but the mercenaries must have 'broken' the rules so to speak, so it might have prompted ben to do the same? We'll see.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Locke has definitely killed. But I'm with ya.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Some of the Numbers are in the episode

    by theredtoad

    The code Alex enters to deactivate the forcefield fence is 1623. Also, I wanna screencap of when Sawyer rolls the dice onto the Risk gameboard, possibly there are more of the Numbers there as well?

  • April 25, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Some of the Numbers are in the episode

    by theredtoad

    The code Alex enters to deactivate the forcefield fence is 1623. Also, I wanna screencap of when Sawyer rolls the dice onto the Risk gameboard, possibly there are more of the Numbers there as well?

  • April 25, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    also take a look at their dialogue...

    by theredtoad

    Hurley: We're all gonna die Sawyer: Calm down... The sky aint fallin' just yet. Hurley: This is exactly what he wants, to fight amongst ourselves dude, you're making a big mistake. Locke: It's his to make, Hugo.<p>This is complete foreshadowing of the later scene involving Locke and Sawyer taking aim at one another. Maybe Hurley's line is also a bit of foreshadowing, and Sawyer taking Claire to the beach is a big mistake. Maybe because if he does that Clair and/or Sawyer will die! Hmmm.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    The die roll

    by gotilk

    adds up to 18. Red adds to 13. White adds to 5.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    2nd roll

    by gotilk

    Red. Adds to 15.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Winmore is Jacob

    by Maximus Prime

    Possible reason why he cant kill him..<p> a lame guess but worth a shot, if its right I have bragging rights til 2010

  • April 25, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Ben can't just jump back in time...

    by AustinX420

    like some of you guys are suggesting. Why would you travel back in time to avenge your daughters death if your could just go back and prevent it? DUrrrr!

  • April 25, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Gut instinct...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    In the last episode, John Locke will become the guardian of the island. He will take the place of Ben or Jacob.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST


    by Maximus Prime

    During the game of Risk Sawyer mentions that Austrailia is the key..could this have any significance?? Thoughts anyone??

  • April 25, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    and Ben has killed...

    by AustinX420

    before, remember? Not to mention the Tunisian he dusted with their own Ak's, soooo, fuck that theory siatrisx.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by bacci40

    someone above brought up the prisoner...amazing how that series never had to constantly go out of the village for all the best scenes....nuff said

  • April 25, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Proof that Smokey was not recently created by DHARMA

    by TallBoy66

    Just one of the theories kicking around was that Smokey The Monster was a DHARMA experiement from the 70s/80s gone awry, but seeing Ben go into his secret back-room of mystic island symbols, and then having Smokey kick ass, pretty means that Smokey is a part of that three-toed-statue/ temple really old relic stuff culture, and not a modern-monster. At least thats how I read it. Oh, and I think Ben escaped the island the same way that Desmond time-traveled (Ben's flashforward opening shot from overhead was exactly the same as Desmond's shot when he awoke from his traveling back into the past), Ben's daughter being killed off was an unexpectedly twisted twist, and Claire surviving A ROCKET LAUNCHER TO HER HOUSE was kind of stupid - the only thing that marred an amazing episode.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Security System

    by Steve_Dooku

    Protecting against time paradoxes?

  • April 25, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I think that the writers are assuming that there are no alternative timelines -- and thus, no "grandfather paradoxes." <p>A "grandfather paradox" was spoken of by physicists who argue that you could never go back in time and kill your own grandfather. Why? Because you would have never existed -- and could not subsequently go back in time to kill him. </p> <p>There are two alternative theories of time travel. One calls for the ability to change the past (or future) by changing anything along the timeline. This is part of the rationale behind the "Butterfly Effect" theory of quantum physics. Secondly, there are physicists who believe that there are NO alternate timelines. The timeline is fixed. If someone in the past has been killed by a person in the future, it stands in time. This is sort of like the episode of Futurama where Fry became his own grandfather. Fry always existed -- and was always his own grandson. It was a "fixed timeline." Changes made by time travelers are not really changes, but a destiny that causes history to continue as it always would. It sort of borders on a Calvin-like theory of "predestination" in regard to human history. </p><p>It's a little complicated, but it is interesting nonetheless. I recommend reading Hawking's A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME. Good stuff. I think that the writers of LOST are borrowing from it's theories. </p> <p>If this is correct, then the writers realize that Ben could not go "back in time" and kill anyone who they know to be alive in the future. They could only kill those who were destined to be killed by themselves. Ben could not kill Widmore...because Widmore was alive in the future. Any attempt to kill him might cause a paradox. These are the "rules" of physics. </p><p> Alex was NOT supposed to die; yet Keamy killed her anyway. Ben knows that he cannot kill Widmore...because he knows that their timelines are interwoven. But Penny? It seems that Ben is willing to break those "rules" just to make Widmore suffer. </p> I think that, in the end, Desmond will protect Penny (unless Rosseau is alive and gets to Ben first). Otherwise, I think that either Desmond will "see" the future and change it long enough until Ben is dead. Or...a climactic battle will take place when Ben Linus faces Charles Widmore. They would have to kill one another at the same time.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Claire surviving the rocket launcher is OK

    by Novaman5000

    1) I love her<p> but <p>2)If it's not her time yet, it's not her time. The island doesn't let you die before it wants you to die. There is still more things for Claire to do, I suppose.<p> Also, nice touch that those red shirts were actually actors who have been around since S1 playing the same losties!

  • April 25, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Widmore and Alpert are also original island dwellers

    by TallBoy66

    Alpert is younger than Widmore, and Alpert still looks exactly the same over 30 years (Ben's flashback episode in S.3), which would probably make him one of the island's original inhabitants. And Alpert is just "younger" than Widmore, who is really, really, really, REALLY old, and Widmore was part of the original island crew that got booted durring the DHARMA purge. Thats why he wants his island back, and thats why he's so gat-damn rich because he's immortal and it gives you alot of time to make money and connections, kind of like Ras Al Ghoul. Ladies and gentlemen, I have just solved the rubix cube that is Lost. Go me.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    "I know who you are. I know WHAT you are."

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    What do you think that Charles Widmore meant by this?

  • April 25, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Widmore's People don't rescue the O-6

    by KinjoAlcoholicNinja

    Widmore doesn't know where the Island is in 2005. Sounds to me like Ben wins out and offs all the freighter people and the Oceanic 6 get off the Island some other way. Could be totally wrong of course. Also, was it just me or was the Mercenary who shot Alex the undercover cop who Locke picked up hitchiking? Maybe they both just have baby faces, but they looked very similar to me.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    that time travel theory site was a great read

    by Charlie Murphy

    very interesting. is that usa today article mentioned recent or old? if it's recent, does anyone have a link?

  • April 25, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Nice BKV referencing his own Y the Last Man Character

    by Shigeru

    Ben's colapsable nightstick was stole from agent 355!

  • April 25, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST


    by rbrog77

    EXACTLY!! If Widmore is in the hunt for the island as Ben is in the hunt for Penny, then the freighties did not succeed in their mission. Ben is still in control of the island.

  • April 25, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    "cause correction" ?

    by MateoMcD

    Maybe I'm way off, but I thought the ring-seller lady said that "COURSE" correction killed that guy with the red shoes. Are people thrown off by her accent or something? ... Anyway, I agree that Claire didn't die because the island wouldn't let her die because it wasn't her time yet. Surviving that rocket attack no more ridiculous than surviving the original plane crash... Now my brain is going nuts over the idea that maybe Jack woke up on the island after experiencing a teleport jump like Ben... At first, I thought the "he" who changed the rules was Jacob, and Ben was going to him, but I guess he confirmed that it was Widmore at the end... I like the theory of time travel that cause and effect aren't tied to a fixed timeline, we just think they must be because we can only travel in one direction in the fourth dimension at a fixed speed. If you could go back and forth, then to say that something that happens in the future precludes something being changed in the past would not be set in stone, like saying you can't go back and erase something at the top of the page because you're already writing at the bottom... It would have made more sense to me if Jack had bleeding ulcers and started vomiting blood; I mean, if stress causes ulcers, surely Jack's due for a few big ones...

  • April 25, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Is it possible that...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Widmore and Ben are one another's CONSTANT? If Ben were to kill Widmore, he would die. If Widmore were to kill Ben, he would die. Perhaps this is why Widmore wanted Ben ALIVE?<p>Good stuff.</p>

  • April 25, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    oh, yeah...

    by MateoMcD

    And remember how Abbadon asked Hurley if "they" are still alive? It seems that Widmore never gets word on his freighter, so he doesn't even know if they made it to the island or not, so it's still true that he can't find the island. It's probably driving him nuts that the's 6 people show up with no mention of his freighter: he know's they're lying but is having a hard time pinning them down to find out the truth. That must by why that one guy is stalking Sayid and Abbadon dropped in on Hurley. I wonder if Sun, Kate, or Jack are being followed, too.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST


    by alex138

    is jacked. I have been catching up on The Wire, which by the way, may be the most well written show on TV (yes even giving Lost a run for its money) and all I gotta say is I would not want to f*ck with Lance Reddick in a fight. Motha is ripped. <p>

  • April 25, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    I'm glad Lost proved once and for all

    by Sithdan

    to be the greatest television series of the 21st century (thus far). Last night's episode totally restored my faith in television quality. There can still be good television in this storm of reality tv, Moment of Truth, Deal or No Deal, the Apprentice, American Idol and TMZ. It's like Obama being a glimer of hope in a sea of corrupt politics.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Desmod kills evil king Charles Widmore and marries

    by CrichtonAstronut

    the princess Penny Widmore. That's how it oughta end. Locke, Jack, Benjy can settle up with each other. It'll probably go a darker and more complicated route though. I wonder if Benjamin is gonna go after Penny, or if she's on that list he gave Sayid. I'd love to see a showdown between Ben and Desmond.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Linus,... Ben Linus Spinoff show !!!

    by picardsucks

    Ben 007.5 Linus spinnoff please???? Spoilers for next week please????? Locke in jungle covered in blood with massive knives please????

  • April 25, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST


    by 5-15-9


  • April 25, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Hillary was with the mercanaries ducking Smokie

    by picardsucks

  • April 25, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    <p>WELL SAID. Since Sithdan brought it up, Obama doesn't even remind me of HEROES (and not even close to LOST). If he reminds me of anything (after really listening to his goals), he reminds me of a rerun of JOEY.</p> <p>That being said, LOST is (with BSG) the best sci-fi serial drama ever!</p>

  • April 25, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST


    by 5-15-9


  • April 25, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Hildawg = Ben. Omba = Widmore. Smokey the Monster = McCain.

    by TallBoy66

    Feel free to debate amonst yourselves.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST


    by 5-15-9

    End your sentances with punctuation marks. Commas are nice too. For someone who gets their jollies talking down to others, you sure sound as 12-year-old-juvinile-6th-grade-humor as they come. Way to go: you've accomplished nothing.

  • April 25, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Jack is different

    by DaBUU

    How about Jack being addicted to the pills in this episode. I'm wondering if the Jack in last nights episode is Jack from the flash forwards who somehow found his way back to the island. He had a stomach, and i think that plays in toi next weeks episode. Him traveling back in forth in time/space would explain his illness.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by Cheif Brody

    Beach Camp - DAY <p> Jack is groaning in agony on a makeshift stretcher, Kate kneels at his side, wiping his brow. <p> KATE: Just 30 more minutes, Jack...Hang in there. <p> Suddenly, Sawyer comes bursting from the jungle holding aaron who is screaming. <p> SAWYER: Kate!! KATE!! <p> They meet and embrace with Aaron in the middle crying. <p> KATE: Where's Claire? <p> SAWYER: She's...She's dead, dammit! They killed her! <p> KATE: Dead? Who? What hap... <p> SAWYER: Kate! How much time have we got? <p> KATE: The helicopters will be here in 40 minutes or so...But...what <p> SAWYER: Look, Freckles...I don't have time to explain. Take the kid and make sure he gets on that helicopter! I made a promise to Claire, you hear me?! (Sawyer hands Aaron to Kate)...You HEAR ME, KATE?! <p> KATE: Yes...I... (Sawyer runs off...) James! Where are you going?! <p> SAWYER: I gotta go get Hugo! Don't take off without us! I'll be right back! <p> Kate holds the now calm Aaron as she watches sawyer disappear into the jungle. <p> (poom) LOST

  • April 25, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    santi01...Jack addicted?

    by Cheif Brody

    Um...Jack is suddenly "addicted" to antibiotics? Hmmm...sure...I bet he's gettin a great "high" off that stuff. C'mon, dude.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Is this Trading Places?

    by thenatureboy

    I think Ben and Widmore have a bet on something. That's why Ben said he just changed the rules. In the end we find out the bet is for one dollar. Maybe Jamie Lee Curtis can come on Lost and show her tits on there too.

  • April 25, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    It's the gods, folks, and we have been distracted by shiny objec

    by rbrog77

    Read it here<P>

  • April 25, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Smogzilla owned em!

    by Dazzler69

    Looks like one will survive it for next week. Ben controls it somehow? Wonder what that room was he went into to control it. <p> Another great ep!

  • April 25, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Too Far Gone For Me, RB.

    by Cheif Brody

    Greek Gods...controlling the events on Lost? I'd rather it turn out to be Vincent. <p> Who...btw...made a very nice cameo last night...finding Dr. Floater!! Looks like Bernard has chosen a team... <p> GO TEAM VINCENT!

  • April 25, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Ben & Smokey

    by Napoleon Park

    Ben Linus moves the hidden room sliding bookcase, enters his secret closet and triggers the drop-down metal blast door. he moves the secret panel in the back of his wardrobe and shove against the rotating stone wall. He enters the secret tunnel.<p>The theme song from MST3K begins to play on the muzak system as, in rapid succession, a vault door, an air-lock door, an accordian door, a french door, one of those Star Trek doors that go "whoosh" and a rough hewn wooden outhouse door with a carved quarter-moon open as he approaches.<p>The music seques into the Get Smart theme as an old aluminum garage door slides up and he passes through a babershop door complete with striped pole, the curtain to a tailor shop's changing room, the beaded curtain to the back room of a head-shop and the door to a '50s style British police call box all allow him passage. At the end of the tunnel he enters an old fashioned glass enclosed phone booth that has a slot machine in it. he deposits one Dharma dollar in the slot, pulls the handle and drops down into a barber chairin the Smoke Monster control chamber. The unblinking eye of hal 3000 stares at him - he balefully stares back - and a metallic voice asks "Hel.lo,"<p>He faces a roughly cut cheap plywood "computer control panel" with various flashing and blinking lights behind a bolted on tinted plastic sheet and various knobs, buttons and toggle switches. A row of dials are clearly labels with large white slide-in cards "On/off," "small/medium/large/ginormous," "slow/fast/freight train," "spooky/scary/fucking awesome" and "frighten/intimidate/kill/slaughterfest". There's a volume control set to go all the way to eleven.<p.On a table to ben's left is an odd mixture of anchient engraved stone pottery and modern scientific test equipment. He heats an ancient charred stone bowl over a bunsen burner and adds various fluids, potions, herbs and spices, small animal bits and the names of the people he wants killed on tiny scraps of rice papper. He then very carefully pokes his thumb with a spring loaded glucometer lancet and squeezes out exactly one drop of human blood into the mixture, then winces in pain as he cleans his wound with a foil-wrapped alcohol wipe. Black smoke rises from the mixtures and exits up through an exhaust vent.<p>Ben rotates the chair to the right and there's a large carnival wheel of fortune. The large pie-chart style wedges are labeled "roar, jiggle trees, shred and leave hanging in treetop, rend into bits, impress & inspire, pull into ground, slap against trees like rag-doll" as well as other effects we haven;t already seen, such as "slice, dice, blend, puree, vaporize, eviscerate, shake, turn inside out, skin alive, abuse, poke, vibrate, draw & quarter, deflower, slice like a stack of pancakes, burrowing insect enema, centipede douche, toss into ocean, "the safety dance," behead, charbroil, facialize, turn into drawer knob, steam press, Martinize [tm], Lasik [tm] circumcision, tie into knots, infibulate, mess with and "random mayhem special bonus pack".<p.Ben spins the wheel and mutters under his breath "Come on, all of the above..."

  • April 25, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    If those were Percocet and antibiotics

    by edshrinker

    I promise you - Chaaalie would have gotten into them a loooooong time ago....heroin recovery be damned.<p> LOVE IT Brodarlton. I absolutely (as mentioned earlier) how Sawyer's character has changed. He REALLY cares about Hugo (remember the jungle scene with the cabin when he was shunned by a distracted Hurley) and now this. And Big Brother with Claire. Next to Vincent, he is becoming my favorite. That is really strange because he was one of my most despised a couple years ago. Just the character - I never dislaiked Josh Holloway, but the "chain-smoking hillbilly" as an ass.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Ben & Smokey (continued)

    by Napoleon Park

    On a table to ben's left is an odd mixture of anchient engraved stone pottery and modern scientific test equipment. He heats an ancient charred stone bowl over a bunsen burner and adds various fluids, potions, herbs and spices, small animal bits and the names of the people he wants killed on tiny scraps of rice papper. He then very carefully pokes his thumb with a spring loaded glucometer lancet and squeezes out exactly one drop of human blood into the mixture, then winces in pain as he cleans his wound with a foil-wrapped alcohol wipe. Black smoke rises from the mixtures and exits up through an exhaust vent.<p>Ben rotates the chair to the right and there's a large carnival wheel of fortune. The large pie-chart style wedges are labeled "roar, jiggle trees, shred and leave hanging in treetop, rend into bits, impress & inspire, pull into ground, slap against trees like rag-doll" as well as other effects we haven;t already seen, such as "slice, dice, blend, puree, vaporize, eviscerate, shake, turn inside out, skin alive, abuse, poke, vibrate, draw & quarter, deflower, slice like a stack of pancakes, burrowing insect enema, centipede douche, toss into ocean, "the safety dance," behead, charbroil, facialize, turn into drawer knob, steam press, Martinize [tm], Lasik [tm] circumcision, tie into knots, infibulate, mess with and "random mayhem special bonus pack".<p.Ben spins the wheel and mutters under his breath "Come on, all of the above..."

  • April 25, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    ben should have a moustache

    by krycek08

    so he could twirl the ends and cackle along with the manipulative music. the idiot writers don't even know what kind of show they want it to be.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Ben & Smokey (concluded)

    by Napoleon Park

    Ben spins the wheel and mutters under his breath "Come on, all of the above..."

  • April 25, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by BrightEyes

    Oh my God, that was one amazing ep. It was near perfect. The Smoke monster attack was just beautiful. Killing Alex Killed my heart, and I knew Ben was evil but thats just real fucking evil the way he disowned her right before her death. A look at Jack on the way to his downward spiral with failing his losties and pill addiction, Sawyer being a badass hero was great. The scene where 3 people get killed in a role was just crazy. THE WAR IS HERE! Team Jack

  • April 25, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Oh And Sawyer, Claire, Turnip head, and Miles joining Team Jack!

    by BrightEyes

    Team Jack Grows bigger and bigger by the day. And everyone is realizing what side they should have picked. Team Jack.

  • April 25, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Dr. Joke is the best doctor ever.

    by Napoleon Park

    Jack is such a great doctor that he self-prescribes anti-biotics for (mirror image SPOILER warning:) siticidnepa.

  • April 25, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST

    (not a spoiler if you saw the preview)

    by Novaman5000

    Apendecitis is a little convenient, no? I wonder if it's really that.<p> Also, Krycek, please. Because Lost doesn't settle neatly into one genre, the writers "can't decide"? Try again, champ. You are in the extreme minority in disliking last night's ep, and you can't even come up with legitimate criticism.

  • April 25, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Episode thoughts

    by Maximus Prime

    Right folks what a fantastic episode, a sign of things to come I hope...<p> Ben is great, his wee beating stick will hopefully make many more appearances...and how did he get to the desert, we will find out eventually...<p> Kacob will have answers for John, bring on episode 11...<p> Loved Sawyer standing up for Hurley, Locke and Sawyer at gunpoint...excellent, I was waiting for 10 paces and bang...<p> Sayid is fantastic, more Sayid please..<p> big is fucking Smokie....if Smokie wanted to haul ass and kill if it wanted, Ben could have sent it to kill everyone on the beach, maybe Ben is telling the truth, he aint that bad<p> Charles and Ben's story deepens, Widmore has been on the island I presume, he's seen the black rock, he may have been on it....with Alpert..thats why he bought the picture and all in eoisode 8...<p> The hotel meeting just makes me believe that Ben is the man in the coffin....but I do agree with whoever said above that both men being the others constant, that would be deep and brilliant..<p> Panny being threatebed with death, will Sayid do it, he knows about Penny from being on the boat with Des..maybe this is one killing too far....I really feel for Des..I hope he gets to be with her and live happily ever after..<p> Alex's death, didnt see that coming...the rules, who made the rules, Jacob..maybe Charles's father??? I would love a Widmore flashback now...maybe links in with a Rousseau or Alpert flash...<p> the story deepens and is truely fantastic..what a great way to come back after the break...<p> and as I said so far this season, it really doesnt feel like a typical Lost episode, there is a pace and urgency that is really hieghtening teh tension, if they can keep this up for another 2 and a bit seasons I might take a heart attack before it ends...<p> didnt even mention the Doctors death, lying Farrady, Bernards morse code mastery, Julliets cans, Claires explosion, Bens secret chamber with freaky symbol wall or the sick Jack..<p> what a fantastic episode.......<p> The return of the King of shows is here again.....fucking brilliant..namaste

  • April 25, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Everyone should have picked team jack?!

    by Novaman5000

    Team jack sided with the freighters, and the freighters are evil. How is team jack the "right" side?!?

  • April 25, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    When you get a stomach ache....

    by Queerbait

    You know you're getting off the island. Like it or not. Teleportation can be a bitch.

  • April 25, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Then You'll LOVE this, Ed...UPCOMING SCENE

    by Cheif Brody

    Near Jacob's Cabin - NIGHT <p> Sawyer runs through the jungle...when he stops suddenly. He sees a flicker of light through the trees. He runs towards Jacob's cabin. <p> He finds Hurley sitting on the front stairs holding a torch. Ben & Locke are nowhere to be seen. <p> SAWYER: Hugo...Hugo...we gotta go! <p> Hurley sits up and sees Sawyer hiding behind some bushes, waving at him to come. <p> HURLEY: Sawyer? <p> Sawyer gives him the "shhh" sign and approaches cautiously, gun drawn. <p> SAWYER: C'mon, Big Boy, Helicopters are gettin ready to land...and you and I are getting a first class ticket off this rock! Where's Locke? <p> HURLEY: They're in there...talkin' to Jacob. <p> SAWYER: Good. I don't care if they're talkin to Obi Wan and I are gettin the f.... <p> LOCKE: Hold it there, James. <p> Lock has his gun out....Sawyer spins and points his gun at Locke. <p> SAWYER: Look, got what you wanted...He led you to the me and him are leaving. <p> LOCKE: Can't let you do that, James. <p> SAWYER: Why not?...and talk fast...We have a helicopter to catch! <p> LOCKE: That helicopter isn't taking you off this island, James. <p> SAWYER: Is that so? And who's gonna stop me? (Sawyer cocks his pistol). <p> LOCKE: Jacob. <p> A shot rings out from the dark...Sawyer is struck in the shoulder and falls to the ground. Ben stands up from behind a bush, and slings his rifle. <p> LOCKE: I'm sorry about that, James...but you didn't give us any choice...Hugo has a strong connection to Jacob...and we need him here. <p> BEN: Hugo...Let's go inside. Jacob wants a word with you. <p> Hurley looks at the motionless Sawyer on the ground...and looks up in anger at Ben & Locke. <p> HURLEY: Well...You can tell Jacob to go screw himself, dude. Because I'm tired of this...of ALL THIS!! I made a mistake...I should have never left Jack...He needs me...I can feel it. <p> LOCKE: Hugo... <p> HURLEY: Shut UP, John!...and the name is Hurley....and I'm takin my friend here back to the beach...and we are leavin this island forever! You can shoot me if you want...But we are leaving! <p> Hurley tosses his torch through the broken front window of the cabin. Ben and Locke scramble inside. Hurley lifts Sawyer up and drags him off into the darkness. <p> (poom) LOST

  • April 25, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Think about this...

    by WhiteyFord

    What if the island is the fountain of youth, where widmore is actually Ponce De Leon. Think about how Locke "drinks" from the fountain. Anyway they may sound weird or whatever but tell me what you think.

  • April 25, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    in response to the five dollar footlong comment

    by Hyperion Consul

    that subway godzilla commercial is more entertaining than cloverfield.

  • April 25, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Hey what happened to all you Team Locke fans

    by BrightEyes

    I debated so much during the start of the season. How could you guys just turn away from your character? I respect those of you who did stand by Locke but I don't see you guys, The talkback use to be overloaded with Locke lovers but now it all dried up? Team Jack!

  • April 25, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Are Steve and Tracy Adam & Eve?

    by Napoleon Park

    The Lostpedia entry on survivor factions<p><p>lists "Locke's Group" as consisting og John Locke, James, Hugo, Claire, Aaron and Benjamin Linus plus, briefly, Vincent (alive), Danielle, Alexandra, Karl, Jerome, Doug and "blonde woman" (dead) and Steve and "unknown red haired woman" as "status unknown". Miles Straume, hostage, is not mentioned.<p>So the three redshirts we saw die last night were Jerome, Doug and 'blonde'.<p>The listing for Danielle Rousseau is actually contradictory - her status is given as 'dead' but the write-up says she was 'injured' in her last shown appearance.<p>As you know, Sawyer told Hurley that Steve was sleeping with Tracy, a married mother of two from San Diego. Some people suspect this one-off casual mention of an otherwise never seen character was simply inserted in order to refute the rumors that Steve and his close friend and seemingly constant companion, the late Scott, were the shows token gay couple. The middle aged redheaded woman identified as "unknown" appears to be the right age to be a mother and housewife, so it is possible, but not yet verified, that she is "Tracy" of the "Stacy 'ship". (Steve + Tracy = Stacy).<p>Vincent was sent on a decoy mission carrying Charlotte's transponder and is currently with the Jack group. As of last night Sawyer, Claire, Aaron and Miles are trying to make their way back to the beachfront Jack group. Of the five redshirts that were with Team Locke three are dead and apparently Locke, Ben and Hurley have left the Otherton barracks area in search of Jacob's cabin without giving any thought to the whereabouts of the remaining members of the group.<p>At this point it is not known if Steve and his female compatriot, who may be Tracy, were killed during the attack by the Freighties assault squad, were killed during the attack by the smoke monster or are alive and, if so, are trying to catch up with Locke and company, return to the Jack group (in spite of Steve's reported dislike of Jack) or are simply heading off into the jungle to live on their own. At this point no one has yet suggested that they pass through a Dharma time anomaly and become the Adam and Eve skeletons in the caves near the waterfall and fresh water spring. But the possibility has not been conclusively ruled out, either. The skeletons were found with black and white rocks similar to the playing pieces from Locke's Backgammon set and Steve and 'Tracy(?)' were part of Locke's group before he abandoned him. I think this is reasonable evidence to support idle speculation that 1.) "Stacy" are Adam & Eve and 2.) Locke is indeed a piss poor captain.

  • April 25, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    anyone notice claire's first word after the explosion?

    by Holodigm


  • April 25, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    How Claire survived:

    by Napoleon Park

    Magic Dharma blanket. Fireproof, impact absorbing, perma-pressed, warm and fluffy.

  • April 25, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    the info is wrong or dated.

    by Napoleon Park

    the article at the top of the page says that "4.9 (tonight) The Shape of Things To Come". Actually, that episode was on LAST night, and tonight's not 4.9, it's 4.25.08 - Ain't It Inaccurate News much?<>The article also calls the episode "Linus-centric" - that explains where claire got her magic bomb proof security blanket.

  • April 25, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    RedFishBlueFish and Node

    by edshrinker

    PLease <p> Observe<p>

  • April 25, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Ben & Widmore constants

    by necgray

    The only problem I have with Ben and Widmore being each other's constants is that the show kind of established that it has to be someone you really obsess over or think about. I guess Ben and Widmore think about each other a lot due to their mutual obsession with the island, but I'd think that would mean they had to meet each other well in advance of the establishment of the Others. I might just be muddle-headed, I admit I don't pore over every episode. But it doesn't make sense to me. Unless there's a Ben/Widmore flashback that we haven't been shown yet. Which may very well be the case.

  • April 25, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Atlantis, Future Humans, Aliens

    by vadakinX

    They are the only three theories left that has a hope of explaining The Island. <p> 1. Atlantis...or some other old, advanced civilisation that flourished thousands of years ago and were completely wiped out. <p> 2. Aliens...The Island is a result of alien experiments or something like that. <p> 3. Humans from the future...perhaps the island and everything on it comes from the future. People travelled back in time to the island, and brought their future technology with them. <p> There are other theories, but those three are the most obvious...which of course probably means they are the least likely.

  • April 25, 2008, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Stellar Episode.

    by imageburn13

    Poor Claire is still in shock. You do not cross Ben.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Claire's vision would have happened

    by Novaman5000

    as the building exploded around her. Wonder what it was and why they cut it. Hope we get to see it at some point.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Australia is the key to it all...

    by apersonofinterest RISK! I am a RISK Master and Australia is crucial to world domination. It's easy to fortify and defend and it's good for 6 reinforcements every turn. Although, there is an unmarked Island on the game board off the coast of Australia/New Guinea. Could it be?

  • April 25, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    My only compaint...

    by seanny_d

    which is barely a complaint at all was how cringeworthy Sawyer's survival behind the wooden picnic table and picket fence from the sharpshooters who picked off the three redshirts coming out of the house. I just feel that could have been done a little better. Other than that, solid, solid episode. Loved it.

  • April 25, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    lostroom23 is the best!

    by gotilk

    Great work again, people. Lots of stuff to catch up on as usual. Thanks!

  • April 25, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Cheif Brody...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    Are those your own scripts that you wrote? If so, they are actually pretty good. Thanks!

  • April 25, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Chief Brody... good writing.

    by gotilk

    You know how to write for these characters. Good stuff. You particularly captured Sawyer's voice perfectly.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Seanny-d - there's a reason for it

    by theBigE

    They know that Sawyer's a hot-head, and they want to leave him alive so he'll throw Ben out of the house. I think he was missed on purpose.

  • April 25, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Oops - Ashk0 beat me to it

    by theBigE

    I didn't see your response to Seanny-d. And I don't know if we're ignoring gotham or not, but I hope he's joking about his question. Of course Ben cares about Alex - he didn't send her out with Danielle to get captured. He wanted her to be safe in the temple, but she was ambushed. <p> Dude, you are joking about your comment, right? Or you really are that stupid?

  • April 25, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Too Many Commercials

    by mike904

    Am I the only one who thinks they cut to commercials every 5 minutes? It ruins the rhythm of the story.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    There were three commercial breaks in the first 27 minutes and I wanted to rip my eyes out. It seemed to get better during the final half hour.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    I have not really said anything about the

    by gotilk

    episode itself. Mostly because it blew me away on so many levels yet left me with a few moments that reminded me too perfectly that I was watching TV. At times you can see that this is the perfect grandson of Alias, the child that can do no wrong. But then on occasion he'll say or do something that's motivated by mimicry alone, and you realize that he's a product of his origins. Now, do NOT take this as a damning of the episode in any way whatsoever. It was brilliance. I'm just not holding it in as high regard as something like The Constant. I think the key moment when I was thrown out of the story were when the 3 anonymous cast members were killed in a row AND when Ben went into his secret cave. The Tunisia scenes were GREAT but beyond the first few seconds, lacked scale. I know, a TV show. They have created magic with what they have to work with. Pure magic. And this episode was no exception. In the order of things, I'd rank it just below the constant, which has remained the high water mark for me.<br> <br> Best performance? Charles, of course. Genuinely creepy and powerful presence. Much more than I ever expected from the character or the actor. That's all I have for now, but I have a week to go over it a few times. Twice already.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST


    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Do we know for sure that this guy's dead? Did I miss something? I remember him leaving the grenade, but this guy lived through multiple fatal wounds. Unless I see Mikhail chunks floating in the water I won't be convinced. That is if this death hasn't already been confirmed somewhere.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Icy hot

    by Cutter XXIII

    When Ben appears in the Sahara there's steam coming off his whole he just came from somewhere really cold. So that parka ain't just window dressing.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Oops again

    by theBigE

    I didn't notice gotham's other posts upstream - I guess he truly is an idiot! <p> pa, ed, and co, I'm loving the room 23 blog! Keep up the good work my friends!

  • April 25, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Mikhail flashback?

    by theBigE

    That would be great!

  • April 25, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Let me break character ...

    by theBigE

    and try to reason with a troll. Sorry, I know we're supposed to ignore them. Gotham, you really want to be noticed, right? It seems you're trying to fit in, and then you call names like in your above post. Most rational good-natured people don't like that, see? That's not how you make friends or interact with other adults. Sorry mom and dad never taught you that - but why don't you start trying that now? Avoid the put-downs. Please prove me wrong and show me you're not just a worthless troll.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    while i like the extra input, it gets a bit difficult to keep up in here. <p>i kind of miss the quiet days.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    okay, this was a nailbiter, edge-of-your-seat, hold your breath, don't look away or you might miss something episode.<p> on second viewing it was also a bit all over the place, but stll really great and moved the WTF? factor up a few notches.<p> i was an alias watcher, but it lost me when it got a little too ridiculous with the ball of water and zombie people, and then in the end it just gets solved in a really lacklustre and pathetic way.<p> i really hope that doesn't happen with LOST. I'm really hopeful.

  • April 25, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    For anyone of my friends

    by edshrinker

    Not having access to Sci FI or scheduling that allow Battlestar Galactica...with all due apologies to Napoleon Park who believes the screenwriters children will go hungry this month because I share free or cable accessible television through torrents to give back to those that share shows that I love. <p> Sorry kids, fasting is good for the soul. <p> Here is your weekly BSG in high quality avi <p> Battlestar Galactica - Escape Velocity.S04E04.edshrinker.avi <p> <p> Please Enjoy. So those kids don't go hungry in vain. <p> (Just a little over the top satire of your comments from last week Nap when you called me a criminal for sharing free or next to free TV. I probably should get over that. You really are a good guy - don't know why that chapped my ass so much. Probably because it is alot of work, I get NOTHING out of it, and then catch grief for was too much for my fragile psyche. I'll get over it. You just be you)

  • April 25, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish


  • April 25, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST

    What looks like Teleportation could easily be Time Travel

    by Smerdyakov

    You just travel in time and not space so the world rotates beneath you and you're in Saudi Arabia. Of course you'd really materialize in the middle of space because the earth movies in it's orbit as well and the whole solar system is also moving through space.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    There's still a lot about Smokey and Ben's use of it that...

    by Pizza The Hut

    doesn't add up. Ah, well... Hopefully all will be revealed eventually.

  • April 25, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Y'all The debate rages on all over the world

    by edshrinker

    Fact is, when you are dealing with files that are otherwise out there for the general public for free and a person is not trying to sell his/her copy of say, BSG, on their website (Sign up for $10 and get all the TV in the world!!!) - our Feds (and I know several) are not even interested because TV isn't interested. TV figures, if you weren't fan enough to PLAN to watch it when it aired...but took the time to d/l it, MAYBE it will hook you and you might be more apt to tune in next time. Or you might just keep dling...which is why SciFI is doing the free Streaming stuff as is ABC with HD streaming. They are playing along and all is well. <p> But MUSIC. And Feature Films. Stuff that you put your $$$ down THEN you get the entertainment. When that stuffis paid for by one person, and they spread it around the world for free - THAT IS THE PROBLEM. I look at it as - If I d/l it, I wasn't going to spend money to see it anyway. And then if I happen to like it - I'll go to a theatre and give them my $10 to see it on the big screen. If I didn't like it - well, I wouldn't havepaid for it anyway. Helps when you can burn it and watch in HD onna 52inch TV though ;>} <p> Point is, they want the dudes (God bless them) that sneak digital cams into theatres and record a cam version and put it up on Pirate Bay risking prison time so we can check out a flick we might not have otherwise paid for. They want those guys behind bars. They are the SOURCE of the problem. Music is more difficult cause anyone can distribute stuff easily. But they arrest a few they pick out that have done a TON of damage w/uploading hundereds of albums. They grab them, make a big scene, fine them half a million and try to scare people. <p> IN THE END...what I do? A couple dozen free TV shows a year that I put out there, seed for 2 or 3 days and then shut it down and hide it all on reserve drive...Feds and Television could care less about that. If I sold it - I'd be busted in 48 hours. But what I do - fart in the wind. I NEVER share motion pics or music, so I keep the EYES off of me. If they pic up a blip about a guy in NC torrenting a popular ABC show, they'll ask - is he selling it as a service site or per episode? And the "special agant" will say, "no - he starts a torrent, a couple hundered jump on, it's an hourlong show so he probably moved out 100 copies in 3 days - all for free. He's off line now he's done until the next week's show, same pattern" <p> And you know what? They laugh at the small numbers and the lack of a money trail and they get back to REAL internet Pirating and Copyright Fraud. <p> How do I know this? Many friends. Several at Quantico that were hired ahead of me out of college (bastards). But a GREAT source of info. <p> Anyway, you can blieve some guy with the handle name of "Booger" who says he knows about all of this, or you can believe me and my "Intro to TV Sharing on P2P Networks 101". M, W, F 9:00-9:50 am. Thursday 9:00-11:00am Lab in the Computer Room. Register for fall is filling up fast!

  • April 25, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    I LOVED that Ep

    by BrightEyes


  • April 26, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST

    "To the Ben Cave!!!" *dah dah dah dah nah dah dah!*

    by TallBoy66


  • April 26, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    try to be calm with Jackie's Appendectomy now. You've got a fertility Doc trying surgery on the poor guy. I think this "medical emergency" is what makes that freakin pill popping waste of beachfront property one of the O-6 instead of several of the women that a TRUE man would let go before him. His own 1/2 sis for God sake can't even go be a mother to her baby...all because of Jack and his little rupture.<p> Jee-zuh-hus...pick another hero dude. This one is used up. He's just like Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack..., "Oh..My Arm!" "Oh..My Back" "OH...My ruptured appendix!" <p> NOTE TO ALL THE SATIRICALLY DEFICIENT: This was humor directed at the over-the-top fandom of Bright Eyes (TEAM JACK, TM). It is in no way meant to minimize the danger of a ruptured appendix, spleen, lung, or kidney. Please find immediate Medical attention. Except from Jack. He'd try to cut your fucking legs off with a goddamn hatch just to feed his own ego of not losing a patient. ;>}

  • April 26, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    some great images

    by redfishbluefish

    at<p> especially of the 'BenCave' and the Halliwax possible Orchid jacket.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Just watched that ep online

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Wow. That was an amazing hour. Still can believe they killed Alex in cold-blood.. very graphic. I knew Smokie was coming.. called it in the talkback for the last episode a month ago. I wonder if any of the military dudes are still alive, though. The Risk part was awesome, for a sec I was thinking maybe Axis and Allies. Ben definitely teleported to the island.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST


    by BrightEyes

    Jack is the man, deal with it. Team Jack!

  • April 26, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Yadda yadda yadda - not about LOST.

    by Napoleon Park

    I owe Edshrinker an apology. We got off long ago to a bad start when I made some negative comments about sports fans posting off topic comments to a "Lost" talkback. That was hypocritical of me - over at the Jump The Shark Yahoo! Group where I'm an assistant moderator helper monkey we rarely stay strictly on the topic pertaining to Jon Hein's definition of Shark Jumping [tm] - especially since TV Guide [tm] bought the catch phrase and web site and severed connection with the group.<p>Much like the JTS group, AICN is a media discussion group - in this case one devoted to sci-fi and fantasy TV and films, escapism and comics. Even within a talkback about a specific show, you have a forum of like minded people who may share other common interests. A discussion of the best shows on TV might begin with Lost and extend to BSG - or even Dexter, which is not technically a sci-fi or fantasy show, except in regards to typical super-hero/vigilante adolescent power fantasies. Certainly AICN may sponser specific talkbacks for BSG, such as this current one<p><p>but if the point is to contain a discussion of BSG to a group of fellow Lost fans, then a Lost talkback it the place to do it.<p>Apparently some Lost (and BSG) fans engage in downloading the show from peer-to-peer file sharing sites. There was some controversy in the news about a decade ago about how this practice can lead to some cases of copyright infringement. Sometimes when laws - even international copyright laws - are broken, the commision of the violation can be, by some extreme stretch of the term, considered a criminal act.<p>In discussing this I recall citing that one of the minor objects of the writers strike was for the creators of copyrighted material to receive royalties when their work is downloaded. In general, most people engaging in P2P file sharing do not pay royalties on the material they trade.<p>Still, P2P file sharing is a very minor violation. When someone saves a single digital copy of a program for personal use and then uploads or 'seeds' a file sharing site giving hundreds of other people, some of whom are strangers, access to the material, no money is actually LOST because the program is not currently available for purchase. and when the DVD is eventually released, everyone who cared enough about the show buys a legal copy and everyone gets paid, so no revenues are LOST.<p>Personally, I do not engage in P2P file sharing or downloading. Not because I don't like getting free stuff, but because I don't have the disposable income to treat computers like Bic lighters and buy a new one every time I get a virus.<p>According to the AOL Active Security Monitor "P2P programs allow users to share files over a file sharing network. Using P2P programs increases your risk to attacks from viruses, worms and other malicious programs."<p>Now if other people want to use P2P sites, that's their personal business. Now, I did break the laws against possession and use of marijuana on occasion during the late '70s, and my advice is that if someone is going to be breaking the laws, even in regards to something that 'all the cool kids are doing' and is "practically legal," it might be best not to discuss it in a public forum.<p>I also see a distinction between doing your own marginally illegal activities and actively encouraging other people to do so. A person might say with 100% certainty that the material they upload is completely virus free and they might recommend a P2P program, service and site that they are confident is free of malware, spyware and adware. But not everyone is as smart or as careful as you might think or hope. Give someone the key to the candy store and tell them "only download this show from this source" and they may very well start getting shows, movies, comics and music from other sources as well, some of which may include malicious coding that could damage their computer.<p>Someone might also, for example, inadvertanly offend someone by stating unequivocably that an uncensored copy of an episode of Dexter either taped off of Showtime or downloaded from a P2P site is inately superior to the edited version that has been airing on CBS and that the edited version is not worth watching. And a person who only has access to the broadcast television version and does not engage in PSP file sharing might respond to this with the typed equivelent to a rude gesture. But that would be childish.<p>Since many people here engage in file sharing, I don't want to alienate everyone here by making a big fuss over the matter. When the topic came up in this talkback I posted a message at 3.28.01 which covered some of the same points I've rephrased here. When a troll attacked someone for "video piracy" I refuted the claim at 3.43.24 and when someone else attacked the troll I pointed out that there are two sides to a discussion, here - 6.26.56. My side of the discussion is that it's not for everyone and it may be dangerous for some inexperiences users. Actually I'd be fine with it if every favorable mention of file sharing simply included the disclaimer "P2P programs allow users to share files over a file sharing network. Using P2P programs increases your risk to attacks from viruses, worms and other malicious programs" the way cigarette packs have warning labels. That seems like an apt comparison since a computer virus can be a lethal cancer for your think-box.<p>This is not my personal crusade, it's not even a topic I care much about. Oh, I had a friend who was downloading some Disney porn one day and was shocked to see that someone had downloaded a painting from his website and reposted it elsewhere, and try as I could I couldn't get him to see that he was being hypocritical. Another friend felt that a Chicago based comic book convention was 'ruined' when a couple of bootleg video dealers (that he frequented) were busted. His argument was that video/DVD bootleggers only offer material that is Not commercially available from other sources. That was not exactly correct, but that was the material that he was seeking.<p>As I was saying, this is not my crusade. I'd say that when I'm reading a talkback, at least 90% of the times when peer-to-peer file sharing is mentioned I just roll my eyes, shake my head and hold my tongue. Having posted a few remarks in this talkback, I'd said my piece on the topic, but my name was specifically brought up here, so I thought it would be rude not to reply.<p>Upthread someone here did post a link to access to the current episode of "Lost" under discussion at a P2P filesharing site called The Pirate Bay. They know what they are and make no (skull and crossed)bones about it. Their logo is a Pirate ship - their Jolly Roger has a tape for a skull. They have links to threatening letters from lawyers and corporations and proudly brag that they've never deleted anything that anyone's asked them to delete. They talk about how they've moved their servers from one country to another to avoid international laws. They offer no pretense about being "legal".<p>If someone uploads or 'seeds' material to file sharing sites and never downloads anything - that is, never acquires anything of cash value that would cost them money if they bought it in a store - I have to admit I don't understand why they do it. Is it some sort of revolutionary public service, a free speech issue? Generally P2P is a 2-way street - you share what you have and upload in order to have the right to download material as well. A loose bartering system. If someone does not get paid - that is, gets nothing of value in return for generously uploading their digital programs... why do it?<p>I write for my own entertainment, sometimes late into the night. I don't memorize everything I write - or even proofread all of it, unfortunately.<p>I do remember making the point about the writers strike and writers residuals and how their children need shoes. Even a child who engages in an occasional fast ought to have shoes. I recall being insulted over my taste in fantasy and non-fantasy television programs on several occasions and shrugging it off. I recall making disparaging comments about off-topic posting concerning sports broadcasts, BSG and P2P sharing, And I was out of line and hypocritical in doing that. I even remember using the Steve Ditko coined term "crimesters" in regard to P2P file sharing of copyrighted material. I do not specifically remember calling anyone by name a criminal but someone here believes I did and seems to be holding a bit of a grudge over it, to they extent that they even felt the need to ask me not to post comments at a blog they assist at.<p>It's time to raise the white flag and extend the olive branch of peace.<p>Edshrinker, if I called you a criminal, and I expect that if you say I did then I must have, I do hereby formally apologize.<p>The sobering fact is that it would be hypocritical of me to do so. I was given moderator status and eventually ownership of a Yahoo! group that I began as an active posting member at - a BDSM photo sharing group called Bound_To_Please. Once a month or so I go through a bookmarked list of other groups and gallery websites and download the best pictures I can find on a variety of specific topics. Then I alter these in Photoshop by reversing and resizing them, airbrushing them, moving or deleting elements, cropping them, adding borders and, yes, in some case removing watermarks and copyright notices. Then I take these "stolen" pictures and repost them to my group. Sometimes as many as 100 per month. I justify my activity by claiming that it is a service for BDSM beginners - that I only post depictions of "mild" activity and no imitatable images of dangerous, violent, uncomfortable or threatening activities, as compared to many other sources of BDSM imagery on the Internet. But the plain fact is, I'm taking copyrighted images that do not belong to me and then reoffering them freely to a segment of the population. I am a filthy pornographer and a thief. And Edshrinker, what you do is in no way any worse than what I do, so if I called you a criminal, it was hypocritical of me, and I apologize. I regret that I posted anything that annoyed you enough that you're still dwelling on it weeks or months later. I am truly sorry.<p>Oh, have you checked out any of those comics I suggested yet?<p>My sincere apologies to anyone else who has wasted their time reading this in hopes of finding something interesting about this weeks exceptionally fine episode of LOST. If I had Ed's e-mail address I would have made this apology privately, but since he did mention still being upset over my slur in this public forum, I asume he wanted the apology to be made public as well. I promise not to post my side of the filesharing discussion until the next time the topic comes up. Or maybe the time after that.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Tina get the food

    by Queerbait

    Glad Jin didn't talk. My ass is tired of subtitles.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:58 a.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    Fuckin Keemy is still alive. The snake probably crawled in a hole when smokie came roaring by...he may have known about it though Widdy. Someone MUST put a bullet between his eyes. <p> BrightEyes,BrightEyes, BrightEyes. Poor boy. Jack will whimper and whine so much like a 6 year old school girl with his little ruptured ego...I mean, appendix that if she were alive Shannon would tell him to shut the fuck up and quit whining so much. He's gonna cry himself right on a rescue chopper off that island while women (Juliet, Claire, Rose and her soulmate Bernie, the REAL hero these days Sawyer, Desmond...they all get left behind or worse. His little useless leftover body part will cause him to cry so much they will take himn ahead of everyone - just watch. ANd then YOU will have to admit...TEAM SAYMOND with guest star Vincent are the ONLY ones doing SHIT to get rescue. When choppers or boats will be because of Saymond. Doc Ray gets in the way - Sayid will show you a little slice and dice. And THEY will get these LOSTIES rescued while Jackie starts to sink into his pill-popping depression from hitting one more thing he can't fix. <p> A-men..Holy SHIT <p> Hallelujah <p> I need a Tylenol.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    BSG on ABC

    by Napoleon Park

    Actually, Battlestar Galactica and the first sequel series, Galactica 1980, both aired on the ABC televison network. The recent remake, which has critically been better recieved, was made by the British Sky One network and rebroadcast on The Sci-Fi Channel in America. One of the rare cases when a remake has been an improvement on the original. I only have basic cable so ABC is the only channel I ever say Battlestar Galactica on, and at that time I was not a fan, but I have heard that the remake is actually considered to be one of the better shows on television, ranking right up there with Lost, Heroes and Dexter.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST

    I've said it many times there is no team Saymond

    by BrightEyes

    Team Saymond was invented when all the John Locke fans were burned and didn't want part of the crazy Team Locke, Go ahead and go back to the start of S4 talkbacks and see how many of you so called "team Saymonds" were all on Team Locke. I find it sad that original Team Lockers have no scruples and decide to jump ship just cause there character loss his sanity. I'd much rather stick to the character that I have been rooting for since season 1 then just jump ship if he fucks up and Jack has definitely fucked up but you don't see me inventing fake teams cause my character pissed me off. Sayid is on Ben's side and we have known that for a long time now, Sayid and Desmond were NEVER on a team, And now we know that Sayid is going to try and kill Penny , no way Desmond is gonna stand for that, they are not a team and they never were and now they will be going to battle with each other much like Jack and Locke have. I just find it really disappointing that all the original Locke fans have left him to make up a team so they didn't look like fools, but in actuality , it makes people look much more foolish when they can't accept defeat and make up excuses and or new teams cause they don't want to be wrong. You all know the truth I don't have to convince you and you can talk a lot of trash but you all know that I have supported Jack through bad times and good , I'll also admit to his mistakes and have debates about his actions. I am a firm believer in logic and use it in life and on the web. I can type in these talkbacks knowing that I have always been truthful and honest with myself and all of you, something that you former Team Locke's can never do, since you all abandoned him. Team Jack!

  • April 26, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST

    xiphos - regarding keamy and Smokey (do sentence frags count as

    by Napoleon Park

    xiphos - regarding keamy and Smokey (do sentence fragments count as spoilers?)<p>Up at 3.34.34 Xiphos wrote: "Smokey isn't that good of a security system, Keime [sic] got out. Of course He was a Marine so I can see that. He probably sent smokey packing with a good ass kicking."<p>Well, X, I don't know how to phrase this without getting all spoilery but I'll try to be cautious. Smokey is not infallible - it cannot, for example, cross the electronic security barrier around Otherton unless it is switched off. If Keamy had... if a technological device... some sort of portable field projector... electomagnetic flux... well, if Keamy saved his own ass while the men under his own command were being destroyed, he'd certainly be a piss poor captain, wouldn't he?

  • April 26, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    something about the writers strike from half a year ago

    by Napoleon Park

    Posted at the Absolute Outrage blog on Monday, November 12, 2007<p>THE STRIKE BEFORE CHRISTMAS.<p>In the month before Christmas,<p>the WGA Strike<p>put<p>8 drivers<p>7 wardrobe people,<p>6 construction workers and production office personnel,<p>5 set dressers,<p>4 assistant directors, caterers, grips, electricians, writers assistants, makeup artists, hair stylists and props handlers,<p>3 casting people, post production personnel, art department employees, sound men, stand-ins and accountants,<p>2 cameramen, camera assistants, location managers, set PAs, editors, editors assistants and craft service people,<p>1 script supervisor, unit manager, facilities manager, DGA trainee and medic and a producer who's not a writer.<p>all out of work.<p>===========<p>Let's say it's a bad time for a strike because of all the workers who aren't writers or studio heads who will be affected.<p>Let's say it's a bad time for a strike because it will disrupt the fall television schedule so that the only show to get a full season run will be the nine episodes of Jericho already in the can.<p>Let's say it's a bad time for a strike because if it runs into the Spring it will impact Pilot Season and without new pilots there may not be any new shows ready for Fall of 2008 and the next TV season may not start until January of 2009.<p>Let's say it's a bad time for a strike because the East Coast writers will have to march in the snow.<p>Let's say it's a bad time for a strike because without talk shows the major studios can't promote their new Holiday movies.<p>Let's say it's a bad time for a strike because Winter is the peak viewing season for housebound TV audiences.<p>Let's say it's a bad time for a strike because of all the people out of work at Christmastime.<p>That leaves one question.<p<When would be a GOOD time for this strike?<p>Because if they wait until the studios decide "Remember that 30% cut in royalties we talked them into in '88? We should give that back."<p>Because if they wait until the studios decide "We really are making money from commercials and web site paid ads with this internet streaming video, we realy ought to pay the writers of the content."<p>Because if they wait until the studios decide "Considering how much the price of living has gone up in the last 20 years, we should pay a better residual rate for DVDs than we did for Betamax tapes and laser discs back in 1988."<p>Because if they wait until none of those people would be put out of work, no viewers would miss their favorite shows, the studios wouldn't be losing millions of dollars every day their out and no one would be inconvenienced...<p>Well, there'd never be a strike.<p>And everyone else would be happy.<p>But the writers wouldn't get a raise for DVDs and downloads or any pay at all for internet streaming video.<p>And then they'd be sad.<p>= Napoleon Park =<p>"Now, if you haven't got an answer, you'd never have a question<p>And if you never had a question, then you'd never have a problem<p>But if you never had a problem, well everyone would be happy<p>But if everyone was happy, there'd never be a love song"<p>- Harry Nilsson, "Joy" -

  • April 26, 2008, 1:40 a.m. CST

    something about the writers strike from half a year ago

    by Napoleon Park

    That leaves one question.<p"When would be a GOOD time for this strike?<p>Because if they wait until the studios decide "Remember that 30% cut in royalties we talked them into in '88? We should give that back."<p>Because if they wait until the studios decide "We really are making money from commercials and web site paid ads with this internet streaming video, we realy ought to pay the writers of the content."<p>Because if they wait until the studios decide "Considering how much the price of living has gone up in the last 20 years, we should pay a better residual rate for DVDs than we did for Betamax tapes and laser discs back in 1988."<p>Because if they wait until none of those people would be put out of work, no viewers would miss their favorite shows, the studios wouldn't be losing millions of dollars every day their out and no one would be inconvenienced...<p>Well, there'd never be a strike.<p>And everyone else would be happy.<p>But the writers wouldn't get a raise for DVDs and downloads or any pay at all for internet streaming video.<p>And then they'd be sad.<p>= Napoleon Park =<p>"Now, if you haven't got an answer, you'd never have a question<p>And if you never had a question, then you'd never have a problem<p>But if you never had a problem, well everyone would be happy<p>But if everyone was happy, there'd never be a love song"<p>- Harry Nilsson, "Joy" -

  • April 26, 2008, 1:41 a.m. CST

    something about the writers strike from half a year ago

    by Napoleon Park

    That leaves one question.<p>"When would be a GOOD time for this strike?<p>Because if they wait until the studios decide "Remember that 30% cut in royalties we talked them into in '88? We should give that back."<p>Because if they wait until the studios decide "We really are making money from commercials and web site paid ads with this internet streaming video, we realy ought to pay the writers of the content."<p>Because if they wait until the studios decide "Considering how much the price of living has gone up in the last 20 years, we should pay a better residual rate for DVDs than we did for Betamax tapes and laser discs back in 1988."<p>Because if they wait until none of those people would be put out of work, no viewers would miss their favorite shows, the studios wouldn't be losing millions of dollars every day their out and no one would be inconvenienced...<p>Well, there'd never be a strike.<p>And everyone else would be happy.<p>But the writers wouldn't get a raise for DVDs and downloads or any pay at all for internet streaming video.<p>And then they'd be sad.<p>= Napoleon Park =<p>"Now, if you haven't got an answer, you'd never have a question<p>And if you never had a question, then you'd never have a problem<p>But if you never had a problem, well everyone would be happy<p>But if everyone was happy, there'd never be a love song"<p>- Harry Nilsson, "Joy" -

  • April 26, 2008, 1:50 a.m. CST

    I appreciate the effort Nap

    by edshrinker

    Like I said - my heart of hearts says you are a great guy. That is probably why our disagreements bothered me as they did. If you were just some hack, I wouldn't have cared less. So that is a backward compliment in someway. <p> You never used the word "criminal" and "Ed is" in the same sentence. You just constantly alluded to my offering of BSG and Lost to some of the folks who post here and elsewhere as criminal activity and an act that takes food and clothes away from folks in the entertainment business. Yes - that kind of thinking does chap my ass. I just made my case above 11:47:13 - my information comes from the 6 or 7 friends I have in the FBI Cyber Crimes Unit, some in Milwaukee (past hometown, went to school in Madison...they made the employee profile, I did not, but we remain friends). My explanation is paraphrased, but accurately sums up the current LEGAL thinking on TV file sharing. Like you, I wonder why anyone would go through all the effort to sneak a camera into a theater to give us pirated movies. Wow - that is alot of effort. Risking that, then reformattng it, then attaching your name and IP to it - seems alot of risk asking nothing in return. Some say the same of me...but my risk is as close to Null as statistically possible. There is time and effort, however (I won't bore you as to what goes into prepping an ep of LOST to go out on The Pirate Bay for instance). I do it because I have received soooo much wonderful stuff from P2P activity and because of programs like Windows defender and PeerGuardian - in 10+ years of P2P activity, I have NEVER ONCE downloaded a virus, bundle, or trojan. Nothing ever piggybacked and only 2x in 10 years has anything ever tried. So I feel, Napoleon, you are misinformed about the scare scenario you offer up to all those who may not know any different. That also chapped my tush (now I have a hard time sitting - that is a lot of raw buttocks). I think if 4We8 would be willing - I tutored him and brought him online with U-Torrent and TPB and d/ling "safe" materials. Because he is of such strong character (I seriously mean that) I doubt he engages in anything deemed overtly illegal, but as you know...much of P2P will always be in a grey area. Lots of PIRATED MATERIAL ILLEGAL BAD BAD...Lots of legal, perfectly ok, share away stuff...and the 85% of grey stuff that hopefully the gov't will just leave alone and let us have our fun. Anyway - 4We8 can give you an honest (that is all he is is honest) assessment of what he encountered out there in P2P land in the couple of months since I helped him get started. Maybe he will choose to drop in a word (I hope you will if you have time, buddy). <p> Anyway Nap - in closing, let me just say what you had to say about my decision to help people get copies of BSG and LOST that I made torrents for had NOTHING to do about you posting in Room 23. Honestly. I was mad at you for a separate issue. I felt you were taking the fun out of a game I was working hard to get going (to rave reviews). You were jumping in and answering EVERY SET OF QUESTIONS! Yeah - I know, you said that doesn't stop anyone from doing their set...but it seems redundant then. They were answered. You probably took someone's thunder on a few of them. And who wants to have sloppy seconds over questions already answered by someone. It seemed like you just jumped in and took over and took away the fun - and IMO the BEST fun was playing DARLTON. I believe your intentions were not malicious - I really do. But if you try to look at it from my perspective Nap, as I post ? up on Room 23 and 10 minutes later...there are all these answers and they are all from one else got to jump in? There are time differences all over the place here. It is 2:30am in N.C. Paul has 11:30PM. MP is across the world. I just thought you could have tried a little harder to see my end and played along. But even as I made kept doing it and made that same excuse "Well - my answers don't stop anyone from doing their own". Well Nap, in fact, they did. Hell - you even re-answered and reposted your answers to questions ALREADY ANSWERED! <p> Hell -it's actually funny now and I hold no ill will. <p> In fact - after your last post, I just say, apology accepted, back to nil-nil, hatchet buried (but not like the one in the back of Naomi's neck, ok?) <p> We have to face facts - we are two blazingly handsome guys with staggering intellect that will butt heads due to our fantastically superior intelligences. Wow. Was that a load of crap. Kinda like it though. <p> By-Gones then? <p> PS Sorry to all our TBers for airing out our personal issue. But my top of the line TRS-80 computer has this mouse thingy where you can use the bar on the far right to ssscccrrrooolll down past anything you don't want to read. Like Gotham and Krycek posts. Ok - that was condescending...sorry it is almost 3am. Sorry about the scroll bar remark - not the missing Gotham/Krycek posts. I REALLY mean that one.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST

    4we8have15to16go23back42 I love both teams as well

    by BrightEyes

    Thats why it seems cheap that people are inventing new ones, The Jack vs Locke saga has been building since season 1 and this season it has been hitting its high points, It makes the show way more fun to have two teams and have Science vs Faith battle it out. I'm done with tis nonsense , there were ever only Two teams Jack & Locke and I will continue to see how the battle carries out. Read my last post if you want reasons why there are only two teams. Logic will get you if nothing else. Team JAck!

  • April 26, 2008, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Team Saymond started as a joke

    by BrightEyes

    still is bro. How exactly is the team concept a joke, I thought you called yourself a Lost fan the whole team Jack and Team Locke has been common in the lost community since the battles of season one? also you say man love if as that was an insult too me, is that your passive aggressive homophobia showing Xi??? anyways I love Lost and these Talkbacks ,there's some great people in here and some I don't see eye to eye with but thats as far as it goes . I've proven my point time and time again with the team issue and because my team is the one with the character most talkbackers don't like, they ignore logic and carry on with insults and such. Jack has been disliked by these boards since S3 and I am proud to be one of the few if not only guy to stick up for him, so say what you will, make what I'm sure to you will be witty post taking jabs at me but I know that I'm in the right, have never personally insulted anyone and just tried to have fun talking about Lost here on these boards and thats fine with me. Team Jack!

  • April 26, 2008, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Wouldn't it be a twist...

    by Bumpasses Dawg

    If Penny couldn't die because SHE was from the island all along, and was using Desmond for Widmore's sake?

  • April 26, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Brighteyes - regarding Team Jack

    by Napoleon Park

    Hey Bright, sorry I alluded to Team Joke in an earlier post. I realize you actually take all this Team Jack nonsense seriously.<p>In the previous talkback you mentioned a new action figure or toy and described Jack as the shows best character and I made a flippant comment to express my disagreement. You counter-argued that he was, from season one on, the shows "lead" or "star" character. And that, frankly, I can't argue with. I've generally found the Jack and Kate ship and those characters and their back stories the least interesting part of the series, just as I find almost all of the other characters on "Grey's Anatomy" more interesting than the shws title character and the MerDer 'ship.<p>They slapped Jack Shephard's punim on the season one box sets cover, so I won't argue that the promo department didn't consider him the "face of the show" - the lead, the star if you will. But the word "best" indicates a value judgement and an opinion, not an unarguable fact.<p.I'm just a fan of the show, I don't claim any proprietary ownership in it. During season one, with episodes like "Walkabout" and "man of science, man of faith" I certainly regarded John Locke as the shows most interesting character, and It's been sad seeing him go quite so insane. Though I have conceded that he was always a little bit "off" - admittedly, wanting to go on a stenuous walkabout in spite of the obvious obstacle of being unable to walk is more than a little eccentric.<p>From the earliest appearances of "Henry Gale" on, I've tended to consider Ben Linus to be the shows most fascinating character, for much of the same reasong that actors enjoy playing villains.<p>In short, to be jack has never been the most interesting character on the series in spite of the emphasis placed on his character. And being interesting is how I would define "best', but i agree to disagree with you on that point.<p>As for jumping teams, while I liked Locke and like Ben (although the extreme villainy he displayed in the final moments of this latest episode certainly preclude him from being considered "likable") I have always alligned myself with "Team out of focus girl in a yellow bikini walking around in the background." Team Bikini girl (for short) stands for the extras, background characters, unnamed or unseen Losties and "redshirts" who do not hog the spotlight by being self appointed group leaders. I stand with the minor characters like Scott and Steve, Neil and Lance and Tracy, Cindy, Zach, Emma, blue striped shirt girl - We'd even claim the better known 'minor characters' Rose and Bernard. Joanna is our martyr and our slogan is the words or Leslie Arzt "I know a clique when I see one." And our latest heroes are Jerome, Doug and "blonde". That son of a bitch John Locke lied when he said "you'd better come with me if you want to live". They came with him and were gunned down like a row of shooting gallery ducks and he never gave them a second thought. And reportedly there were two more members of his group that he just abandoned - Steve and "unknown brunette woman". Her name may or may not be Tracy, damnit, and Locke just abandoned them and ran away. "Sounds like a piss poor captain" - his words come back to haunt him.<p>Jack has done his best with the position thrust upon him. A captain should go down with his ship, but if he is going to leave the island and abandon his half-sister Claire and his friend Juliet and Jin, Bernard, Rose and Neil and cindy and the children... well, a life-threatening illness rendering him incapacitated and unable to refuse to leave is probably the best excuse he would have. And explains his self destructive tendencies in his future. I'll concede you that much.<p>But there are no real teams, there is only a television show that we both enjoy. Go Team Lost!

  • April 26, 2008, 2:34 a.m. CST


    by BrightEyes

    Agreed , I should have said The best to me. I hang out with lots of people who watch Lost and one of my better friends Loves Locke, We don't always see eye to eye but I always maintain that just cause I say it, doesn't mean its true its just how I feel, So yes I don't expect you guys to agree honestly I think I'm the one guy here who supports JAck, I obviously know he isn't popular around this part of town, and didn't mean to imply he was the BEST because that is an opinion but I will stick with he is the MAIN, and I know the creators have said everyones the main character of Lost but honestly I think its just proven by the show if nothing else who the main character is. Team Jack! Night All.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:17 a.m. CST

    4we8 re: ancillary crew

    by necgray

    The WGA made a point of the fact that the IATSE (the trade union) to which most crew members belong base their own residual deals on negotiations with the "upper level" trade unions like the WGA, DGA, and SAG/AFTRA. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. The writer's strike (possibly actor's if they go through with it) will hopefully put the crew people in a better position to negotiate as well. So let's not pretend that the strike was a purely selfish act. It wasn't selfless by any stretch of the imagination, but it was a step taken for everyone. (Even if you agree with South Park and Harlan Ellison that the WGA took a shit deal)

  • April 26, 2008, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Evie, regarding Jacket and Scarf

    by Napoleon Park

    No, I registered here at AICN a few years ago as Napoleon Park (Porn star formula: your first childhood pet's name and the street you grew up on) and it's the only name I've ever used here. Over at Yahoo! I'm also Poppaspank. I can't imagine why someone would want more than one ID unless they wanted to be sure they'd be able to continue posting in case they got banned.<p>A few weeks ago there was a rumor that you were also Skywalker's Familiar, since you began posting right around the same time she stopped. Salt and Tea usually posts in all caps. I sometimes use all-caps on one word or phrase for emphasis, but tend to avoid it since it's considered rude by general 'nettiguette'. S&T also has an odd habit of using a vulgar slang term for the female genitalia as a derogatory term, which I don't understand. Do you know what kind of heterosexual males don't like vagina? None do. Selling pictures of vulva is a multibillion dollar per year industry. personally, I like female private parts. Assuming they're kept relatively clean they smell nice, they taste yummy and they're pretty. Approximately 52% of the world's population have female pudendae. I would never use the c-word as an insult. I hope that clears up any misunderstanding you might have about Suet & Thai and I. I don't think you're pussy. I like pussy.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    two points for you guys to shoot down

    by bobbywatts

    1-the lockdown map is also a map of the wormhole spots, the island is the hub, and each station is a opening, tunisia, austrailia etc..2-jack is in the coffin,jack dies on the island from his appendix, and also lives in an alternate time, where he is alive and part of the o-6, maybe no one looked in the coffin so far, jack didnt want to open it and see himself for paradox/freakout reasons, he is neither friend nor familly to himself, no one would show up for his funeral cause his familly is basically dead, and no 06 members would come because they know hes still alive.the we have to back flashfoward is the latest of all the flash fowards so far, he has to get back to the island because he knows he will die when time catches away.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    two points for you guys to shoot down

    by bobbywatts

    1-the lockdown map is also a map of the wormhole spots, the island is the hub, and each station is a opening, tunisia, austrailia etc..2-jack is in the coffin,jack dies on the island from his appendix, and also lives in an alternate time, where he is alive and part of the o-6, maybe no one looked in the coffin so far, jack didnt want to open it and see himself for paradox/freakout reasons, he is neither friend nor familly to himself, no one would show up for his funeral cause his familly is basically dead, and no 06 members would come because they know hes still alive.the we have to back flashfoward is the latest of all the flash fowards so far, he has to get back to the island because he knows he will die when time catches away.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:31 a.m. CST

    two points for you guys to shoot down

    by bobbywatts

    1-the lockdown map is also a map of the wormhole spots, the island is the hub, and each station is a opening, tunisia, austrailia etc..2-jack is in the coffin,jack dies on the island from his appendix, and also lives in an alternate time, where he is alive and part of the o-6, maybe no one looked in the coffin so far, jack didnt want to open it and see himself for paradox/freakout reasons, he is neither friend nor familly to himself, no one would show up for his funeral cause his familly is basically dead, and no 06 members would come because they know hes still alive.the we have to back flashfoward is the latest of all the flash fowards so far, he has to get back to the island because he knows he will die when time catches away.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:47 a.m. CST

    ok, two more just cause i like ya

    by bobbywatts

    yes claire surviving a direct hit by a rpg is out of bounds, unless charlie showed up in time to save her,cover her, etc...thats why she wakes up and asks for charlie.ben and widmore themselves are not aloud to kill anyone with theyre own hand, ben has shot two people, but knew they wouldnt die, hes set up everyone else, just like ben told michael, i didnt kill them, you did, widmore tells ben he didnt kill alex, ben did.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST

    wow, sorry about that

    by bobbywatts

    didnt even see that i had posted that 18 times

  • April 26, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST

    "Australia is the key" - overanalyze much?

    by DarthCorleone

    Don't think about that one too much, folks. It could just be a joke that they all arrived on a flight from Australia.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST

    the people who brought

    by bobbywatts

    the losties to the island(815) where constant visitors to australia, the set ups in australia where essential to get the right people onto the plane at the right time.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Jack's appendix...

    by DarthCorleone

    I think it's mainly a plot device to put him out of commission at a critical time (i.e., the escape from the island for the Six). It'd be tough to believe that Mr. "Live Together, Die Alone" would leave without taking as many people with him as he could. Once he escapes, he'll try to put on a happy face, but eventually the guilt will overcome him.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Bright - on Team jack

    by Napoleon Park

    For about the fourth time in one day, I posted something and half of it went away. Dang, if you mess up one of those < . p . > paragraph breaks it totally flummoxes everything that comes after it. So sorry if that message ended abruptly or less diplomatically than I was going for. If I recall, what I wrote was basically that I was a Locke fan during season one after "Walkabout" and "Man of Science, Man of Faith". He was always quirky but he seems to have gone dangerously off the rails since blowing up the sub, murdering Naomi and, this week, pulling a gun on Sawyer in order to keep Hurley.<p>Then since he first appeared as Henry Gale, I've found Ben Linus fascinating, though after the final minutes of this latest episode, when he let the monster show again during his encounter with Widmore, he certainly can't be considered likable.<p>You had posted something about the Saymondites jumping groups. I was bemused at first about all the discussion of Team this guy and Team that guy, but I have always declared for "Team out of focus girl in a yellow bikini walking around in the background" and have never changed allegiances. We were promised a show with 48 airplane crash survivors, so I stand with the followers, extras, nameless background characters and "redshirts" like Scott and Steve, Lance, Neil, Tracy, Cindy, Emma, Zach, etc. I'd claim Rose (who was gone half the first season) and Bernard (who no one but Rose thought was alive until year two) but I know how possessive you are over Team Jack members. Joanna is our founder, the words of Leslie Arzt, who said "I know a clique when I see one" is our motto. And Jerome, Doug and "blonde casualty" are our newest martyrs. I worry for Steve and "unknown redheaded female" who may or may not be Tracy. That son of a bitch John Locke said "If you want to live, you need to come with me." and they did and got gunned down like shooting gallery targets and he abandoned two group members and three fallen comrades without a glance back. His words "sounds like a piss poor captain" come back to haunt him.<p>They say a captain goes down with his ship, but if Jack does get off the island and leaves his half-sister Claire, his friend Juliet, Jin, Sawyer, Rose, Bernard, Desmond and the dozen background players listed as being part of his group plus Cindy and the children behind, then being incapacitated with a life threatening medical emergency condition is about the only possible excuse that makes sense.<p>Picking favorite characters for imaginary team leaders is all good fun, but we're all devoted fans of the same show. Declare for Team Lost! and I'm with you.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:55 a.m. CST

    they probably make

    by bobbywatts

    him go on the chopper,unless im right and he dies.wich im not.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:57 a.m. CST

    if the doctor can be alive and dead

    by bobbywatts

    alive off the island, then dead at the same time on it, wouldnt it be acceptable that jake could die on it and be alive off it?

  • April 26, 2008, 3:58 a.m. CST

    jake is jacks twin brother

    by bobbywatts


  • April 26, 2008, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Bobby, regarding your theories.

    by Napoleon Park

    Each Dharma Station has a tele-portal to a different location? Interesting concept. The "alternate Jack" and Charlie's Ghost is Claire's guardian" ideas are both very trippy and bizarre. I don't think so, but they make for good speculation.<p>But I do not think Ben Linus is as cunning and infallible as he makes himself out to be. He's good at improvising and taking charge of opportunities, though trying to talk his way out of Alexandra's execution backfired on him badly. Some people seem to think he engineered Nadia's killing to acquire Sayid - I don't, but he was clearly pleased with how it turned out. But to address the one point you made that I strongly disagree with, I do not believe Ben knew Charlotte was wearing a bullet proof vest when he grabbed that gun and shot her. I think he intended to kill her and was surprised when she got back up - or would have been if he wasn't busy getting one of his well deserved beat-downs.<p>Not saying I buy into your other ideas, but they're all quite creative.

  • April 26, 2008, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Ed - regarding scare scenarios

    by Napoleon Park

    Edshrinker wrote: "I feel, Napoleon, you are misinformed about the scare scenario you offer up to all those who may not know any different."<p.I believe a lot of misinformation I read in magazines and on the Internets. But I also learn from the mistakes of others.<p>I know this guy close to your age whose mom buys him nice toys. He has a computer much better than mine. but if someone bought me a DVR I'd use it - he lacks the confidence to read a damn operating manual and can't do anything unless a mutual friend of ours shows him how it's done. He uninstalled Zone Alarm because it was stopping him from trying to download hentai from a P2P site. Yes he's a moron, but it's the stupid people that that need our protection.<p>The mutual friend I mentioned, who was also my mentor when I first got a computer and began learning how to use it, does a lot of P2P downloading and generally knows what he's doing and is cautious - but once missed a deadline on an art job for D*sn*y because he grabbed the wrong thing, froze his think box up, had to do a disasterous full system recovery and lost all the work he'd done on the project.<p>Friend A's an idiot, Friend B is one of the smartest folks I know... but hey, we're all stupid enough to live in Michigan during the winter, so obviously we're no geniuses. Catastrophe doesn't happen to everyone who tries P2P file sharing... but it can if you're stupid, and in case you haven't noticed, when you post to a public forum... we ain't all Einstein in here. And don't let my vocabulary trick you, my life's a shambles, I have no social skills and I'm a huge f*cking moron. I mean, I knew a kid in high school who stuck his hand in a meat grinder. I'm not that stupid, okay? That's why I leave P2P file sharing to the folks who know what they're doing and don't open doors labeled "danger".

  • April 26, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Ed - regarding scare scenarios II

    by Napoleon Park

    "Oops, I did it again"<p>Edshrinker wrote: "I feel, Napoleon, you are misinformed about the scare scenario you offer up to all those who may not know any different."<p>Well, I believe a lot of misinformation I read in magazines or in the Internets, but I also learn from other people's mistakes.<p>I knew a guy close to your age whose mom buys nice things for him. He had a computer a lot better than mine and screwed it up when he uninstalled Zone Alarm so he could download some Hentai from a P2P site. Last I heard he has to unplug it to shut it off. Now, he's an idiot. If I had a DVR I'd use it - his step-father told him he was inept and he believed it - he lacks the confidence to read an owners manual or do anything unless a mutual friend of ours shows him how to do it... and unfortunately, he watched said friend use P2P sites.<p>That mutual friend was my mentor when I first started using a computer too. He knows what he's doing, though he has stacks of discs full of stuff he's downloaded that are all unlabeled and what's the point of having something if you can't find it? Anyway, he missed a deadline on a paying art job for D*sn*y once when he downloaded the wrong thing and had to do a disasterous full system recovery and lost several weeks worth of work.<p>Guy A, total moron. Guy B, maybe the smartest guy I know. But he made a mistake. Well, we all voluntarily live in Michigan during the winter, so obviously none of us are geniuses. But it's the stupid people who need our protection and, face it when you post to a public forum like this one, we ain't all Einsteins. Don't let my vocabulary trick you, my life's a shambles, I have no social skills and I'm a f*cking moron.<p>But I knew a kid in high school who stuck his hand in meat grinder. Yes, what you think happened. I'm not that stupid, which is why I leave the P2P file sharing to folks who know what they're doing and don't open doors labeled "Danger".

  • April 26, 2008, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Bobby - no way on one of them

    by theBigE

    Wouldn't the funeral director notice if Jack was in the coffin that - oops, here's a guy I've already embalmed coming to his own funeral? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Jack is the one person NOT in the coffin. It's Locke or Michael or Ben, but I don't think Ben can die.

  • April 26, 2008, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Why does this talkback change titles?

    by theBigE

    Does this talkback change from "What is code J14?" to "The Doctor is Fine" for any particiular reason?

  • April 26, 2008, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Uppercase E - I noticed that too.

    by Napoleon Park

    I think before the episode aired, based on the preview clips available online, "Code 14-J" seemed like the most intriguing question. But the answer proved rather mundane. Although I rather jocularly posted that it was "loaded shotgun in the piano stool," a "code 14-J" turns out to be an automated advance warning phone call when the electronic security fence is turned off. As TomBodet would say, Zzzzzz.<p>But the business about Doc Ray washing ashore and the Freighter claiming he's fine lends credence to the time disparity theories that have been floated since the business with the timer on the rocket. Once the episode aired it was probably deemed a more dramatic and controversial quote.<p>It is the first time I can recall a talkback title being changed. Sometimes errors in articles have been "fixed" but "code 14-J" wasn't an error, just a slightly less thought provoking comment. I'm not Herc just as I'm not Darlton, but that's my hypothesis and we're stuck with it. Hopefully it will do until or if our host chimes in on the topic.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST

    All your fun are belong to me.

    by Napoleon Park

    Gee, Ed, you already posted that you realized I was right and no one else was playing the "Five Questions for Darlton" game. I saw rbrog77's questions sit there for 5.5 hours and then spent over an hour writing my replies. But now you reverse yourself and post: "I was mad at you... I felt you were taking the fun out of a game I was working hard to get going. You were jumping in and answering EVERY SET OF QUESTIONS! Yeah - I know, you said that doesn't stop anyone from doing their set...but it seems redundant then. They were answered. You probably took someone's thunder on a few of them. And who wants to have sloppy seconds over questions already answered by someone. It seemed like you just jumped in and took over and took away the fun - and IMO the BEST fun was playing DARLTON. ...try to look at it from my perspective Nap, as I post ? up on Room 23 and 10 minutes later...there are all these answers and they are all from one else got to jump in? kept doing it and made that same excuse "Well - my answers don't stop anyone from doing their own". Well Nap, in fact, they did. You even re-answered and reposted your answers to questions ALREADY ANSWERED!"<p>Jeez, Ed, try to chill out and USE YOUR INDOOR VOICE. So, are you saying that you posted an interview game and I participated before anyone else did? I ask because it seems that's what you said there... eight times in a row, just paraphasing it and saying it over and over again.<p>AICN is a public forum and considering the vulgarity, libel, slander and threats, I'm not sure what isn't allowed. If someone posts a group participation game, I'm a team player and I participate. Actually Blogger is also a public forum and you were the one that convinced the blog owner to open it up to unmoderated posting.<p>And the neat thing about a public forum is you really can't misrepresent what happened there when anyone can go and check the facts. You say I answered the questions ten minutes after they went up? Actually, you posted one set of questions with your own answers simultaneously and answered another set one hour after you posted them. You point out I replied - in all caps no less - to every set of questions. This is not factual. I didn't answer the first set or the next to last set, and I didn;t post answers to the last set at the blog. And as I mentioned before in the other talkback, I've got several years of group moderator experience at Yahoo! groups so if someone asks a question I hate to leave it hanging unanswered. Especially if they're actually trying to get a fun group participation activity going.<p>Out of curiousity, I checked the room 23 blog to see when the "5Q for Darlton" interviews and my answers were posted.<pThe first game, I didn't respond to. The second game (Redtoad) was actually posted inside the comments section at room 23. You answered less than an hour after it went up, I added a second set of comments 8.5 hours later. I did jump in and reply to gotilk's set about two hours after they were posted. So far no one else has answered them. I posted a set of questions to the talkback and you reposted them to the blog, then answered them about four hours later. So far no one else has answered them. Brody wrote a set you posted to the blog and I replied 9.5 hours later. I responded to Nodecodes set six hours after they were posted. So far no one else has answered them. I did jump on MP's set three hours after they were posted. Fishies wrote a set and the Q's and A's were posted simultaneously by you. So far no one else has answered them. brog77 posted a "nice set" of Q's. I replied at the talkback seven hours later and did not repost my answers to the blog, just a link to my Yahoo group Napoleon_Park where I reposted them. So far no one else has answered them.<p>Obviously in this forum there's a time limit. Who logs in and then scrolls up to read the last ten hours or 200 posts worth of material? Is someone asks a question or poises a riddle or something, you really have to get on it before it's forgotten.<p>I'm pretty sure that two or three of those interview writers did post "thank you"s addressed to me for answering their clever questions when no one else would. Sorry if I don't feel like sifting through that 3500+ post talkback to figure out who, but if I didn;t say so before, "You're welcome."<p>Your position, as stated repeatedly above - seems to be that by playing a game I prevented anyone else from playing. Even though the questions were posted on the main page of the blog where anyone could read them or cut'n'paste them and my replies were buried in the comments section. And my opposing view is that If I hadn't stepped up to try to generate some group activity, no one else was going to - and so far, no one else has.<p>Paul's got a great blog there, but I'm not really seeing too much activity in the comments section of most of the articles. I did make a point to vote in most of the polls, though. Folks who haven't checked out the Room 23 blog yet should ought to. Here.<p>When you get there, feel free to scroll on down to the various "five questions for Darlton" games. The idea is that someone asks some interview questions they'd like to ask the creators of Lost, and then you answer them as if you were the creators of Lost. How fun is that? Just cut and paste the questions into notepad, then answer them. Then you can bury your answers in the comments section there or bring them back here and post them in this talkback. It really is fun - at least I enjoyed it until Ed started yelling at me to stop.<p>But you know, I really do deserve to suck up all the fun in the world. I'm just that nice. Really.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:04 a.m. CST

    All your fun are belong to me. II

    by Napoleon Park

    Out of curiousity, I checked the room 23 blog to see when the "5Q for Darlton" interviews and my answers were posted.<p>The first game, I didn't respond to. The second game (Redtoad) was actually posted inside the comments section at room 23. You answered less than an hour after it went up, I added a second set of comments 8.5 hours later. I did jump in and reply to gotilk's set about two hours after they were posted. So far no one else has answered them. I posted a set of questions to the talkback and you reposted them to the blog, then answered them about four hours later. So far no one else has answered them. Brody wrote a set you posted to the blog and I replied 9.5 hours later. I responded to Nodecodes set six hours after they were posted. So far no one else has answered them. I did jump on MP's set three hours after they were posted. Fishies wrote a set and the Q's and A's were posted simultaneously by you. So far no one else has answered them. brog77 posted a "nice set" of Q's. I replied at the talkback seven hours later and did not repost my answers to the blog, just a link to my Yahoo group Napoleon_Park where I reposted them. So far no one else has answered them.<p>Obviously in this forum there's a time limit. Who logs in and then scrolls up to read the last ten hours or 200 posts worth of material? Is someone asks a question or poises a riddle or something, you really have to get on it before it's forgotten.<p>I'm pretty sure that two or three of those interview writers did post "thank you"s addressed to me for answering their clever questions when no one else would. Sorry if I don't feel like sifting through that 3500+ post talkback to figure out who, but if I didn;t say so before, "You're welcome."<p>Your position, as stated repeatedly above - seems to be that by playing a game I prevented anyone else from playing. Even though the questions were posted on the main page of the blog where anyone could read them or cut'n'paste them and my replies were buried in the comments section. And my opposing view is that If I hadn't stepped up to try to generate some group activity, no one else was going to - and so far, no one else has.<p>Paul's got a great blog there, but I'm not really seeing too much activity in the comments section of most of the articles. I did make a point to vote in most of the polls, though. Folks who haven't checked out the Room 23 blog yet should ought to. Here.<p>When you get there, feel free to scroll on down to the various "five questions for Darlton" games. The idea is that someone asks some interview questions they'd like to ask the creators of Lost, and then you answer them as if you were the creators of Lost. How fun is that? Just cut and paste the questions into notepad, then answer them. Then you can bury your answers in the comments section there or bring them back here and post them in this talkback. It really is fun - at least I enjoyed it until Ed started yelling at me to stop.<p>But you know, I really do deserve to suck up all the fun in the world. I'm just that nice. Really.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    again with the "talkback title changes"

    by Napoleon Park

    the more I read here - and,sorry, but frankly, the more I write here - I can think of another reason why "What are you talking about?" is the perfect title for theis talkback.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Bobby - regarding the twins

    by Napoleon Park

    If Jack and Jake are brothers, which one is Jacob?

  • April 26, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Ben... of Arabia

    by Holgi65

    now that the Commandos are dead, will Team Jack capture the Heli and fly out six?... I checked out the orientation video for Station Orchid. It has the asian scientist we already know with other names, this time introducing himself as Halliwax (Ben uses his Parka for traveling). In the video (actually its a film) he shows a bunny with number 15 on the side and then suddenly a experiment goes wrong. Something falls from above, looks like two objects with different colors. The camera pans up and we see another No. 15 bunny. Halliwax is furious and demands that the bunnies don't get near each other. His fem. assistant rushes in and picks up what has fallen down. Halliwax asks her for the Shift set. She answers 20, and then he asks "How long"-which she answers with "9minutes. But we are still learning..." As I just hear by playing it back few times on FCE, the video here has a countdown in the background from 10 to 4 - then the camera is turned off and the introduction is repeated in a more calm manor. In his interrupted introduction Halliwax speaks of the Casimir-Effect. And that effect has to do with Quantum physics. Look it up on wikipedia. In my definition it includes a (scientific) vaccuum, meaning a space with nothing in it. Like in space, not with just a pump and a glass cylinder. This can be produced with very low temperatures between two objects, and then the Casimir effect occurs and puts the objects closer together. Very high-end tech if you ask me. The force of the effect is mini-mini-minimal, but its there. So why do Carlton and friends come up with a real physics effect? To me it looks like that Dharma people can "beam" living objetcs so they are duplicated, as shown in real experiments with light. But obviously the duplicated objects should not interact. They can put a negative (and therefore also a positve?) shift to the objects. I think its a shift in time. Dharma has found a old-style machine and tries to figure out how to use it. Back in the 80's. So Ben these days uses the machine and the late Halliwax' lab to go to places. In other news, one of the REAL uses of the Casimir-effect can be in Nanotech of the near future. There have been recent experiments with liquids, proving again the effect in real-life physics. And in my book the smoke-monster is a security system based on nanotechnolgy...

  • April 26, 2008, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Nap - I do understand

    by edshrinker

    Your point. Just the other day I did my old man a favor (as if he would EVER run out asking for those) by hwlping a buddy from Pinehurst get his PC working. Tech guy here 75-125 dollars. Me? Free with a decent chance I will fix it with out disabling any power grids. <p> No problem - the app he wanted to use needed afree program to open it,,,adobe Reader. Easy enough. But if it were him doing the d/Ling, right now he'd have a cte Googlr or yahoo toobar witha bout 15 buttons on it for various services he'll neveruse or even identify. And this is Adobe. Harmless, trustworthy, non-malicious - so point taken.<p> But it is getting safer to Navigate P2P land, Nao. Ask 4We8, please. Don't depend on my biased view - he'll give you the honest poop. You can come out now NAp...I think it's safe. Especially if you need a vid of lost - I'm a trustworthy source. OK - Back and ON to LOST Forever and Always (unless NFL Draft talk pops up ;>}

  • April 26, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Nap - you have a way about you, man

    by edshrinker

    You apologized...whether you felt you deserved to or not, you did it. You were the bigger man, so you figured, I'll apologize, take the blame and then we can move on. A strategy I employ quite a bit because <p> a) I usually AM wrong dagnammit! <p> and b) if I'm not - conflict accomplishes so little when we can be friends here and have fun. <p> But see now I see you as I read on and you are kind of reiterating you had nothing to apologize for even though you did apologize, making your case again and again after "taking a plea" so to speak. <P> Napoleon, if you want your apology to MEAN anything, then stop going back over the points to argue how you were right and I was wrong. You have quite the personality, dude. <p> No harm done, really. If it helps I'll add this (because it is true) you didn't have anything to apologize for in my mind. Things got heated, you said words, oh well it happens. You misunderstood my intentions for the game I started and posted to every questionset. But now I'm confused Nap - were you sorry about that or not? Are you gonna keep making these short stories about how shitty I was and NOT LETTING YOU POST (which is impossible - I don't hold that kind of administrative veto power 4We8 has...I could have edited or removed after the fact but i have NEVER nor will I have EVER done that to another. SO GEEZ Nap - FOR THE SAKE OF ALL WHO READ THESE TBs - just drop it. No apology. You weren't wrong. We had differing opinions. I acted like an ass - I'll live up to that. It's over...please let it go. We WANT you over at Room 23. YOu are a GREAT writer - your talent would be wonderful (in moderation). Dammit boy - let's end it here and now, ok? Or is it that we have to march at 20 paces with pistolas because there just isn't room for the 2 of us? That would suck - I am a poor shot. So...move on buddy! Nothing to see here!

  • April 26, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Question to all

    by Fing Fang Foom

    Remember when Smokey almost dragged Locke into that hole? Why did it do that then? Awesome ep btw. Sooo good!!!!

  • April 26, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    Smokey being a nanotech cloud sounds reasonable. That's straight out of another Crichton novel.

  • April 26, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Re: Jack in Jungle vs. Ben in Desert

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    At the end of the Lost videogame, whoever the main character guy is wakes up on the beach in the same manner as Ben waking up in the desert and Jack in the jungle, only to realize the plane has JUST crashed... again (Stephen King's Dark Tower-style time loop).

  • April 26, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    I swear

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    If the show ends like Dark Tower I'm gonna kill these writers.<p> (When Roland enters the Dark Tower and instead of finding answers, salvation, REST, whatever, he's looped back in time to the first book, with the only hope being that maybe slight changes each loop will add up to a different destiny)

  • April 26, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    They're filming The Road in my town

    by theredtoad

    SPOILERSthe books final act takes place on a dreary beach, and there's no better dreary beach in the world than in Dreary Erie, PA. Viggo Mortenson and Guy Pierce are in town, and have the weekend off. I'm going star-searching, I want one of my Tolkien books signed by Aragorn. I'll try to get some set pics into Harry if possible.

  • April 26, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Tau in the new Dharma logo?

    by Undercover Fanboy

    For what it's worth, my knee jerk reaction upon seeing the newest Dharma logo - the one on Ben's big, toasty parka - was that it looked like the Greek letter Tau being sucked into a whirlpool or wormhole, twisting away Or looping. Tau for time? Time bending, time loops, and all that nonsense? And why the parka? Hell, like Doc brown said about his time machine, "It's cold. Damned cold." Who knows what sort of climate conditions they need to keep their space/time teleportation equipment running at, or how it's affected by its own operation. (And personally, I think it's a communion with smokey behind the hieroglyphic door, not the teleporter.)

  • April 26, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Tau = proper time in relative physics

    by Undercover Fanboy

    Just looked it up on wikipedia, and what do you know, tau is the symbol used for proper time (compared to coordinate time 't') in calculations involving relativistic physics. +1 for tau in the logo?

  • April 26, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    smokie loves kate re: spoiler

    by necgray

    Dude. Write SPOILER next time you're gonna do something like that. Just out of curiosity, did you not like the end of Dark Tower or do you just not think it fits Lost? I, myself, LOVED the end of Dark Tower and thought it was the most appropriate result for Roland.

  • April 26, 2008, noon CST

    as far as the funeral

    by bobbywatts

    director,maybe he didnt recognize bearded jack just like someone up stream said,but every other little charecter is connected somehow, so is he, probably...the dark tower ending would suck for lost, besides the fact that it would just be lifted from the dark tower.i watch the first episode allot, and basically, jack wakes up with the flashback/teleport noise, sees vincent, runs after him and saves everyone in the right order, and even kate is like"im worried, you dont seem scared" jack also seems to know certain charecters already IMO. the only thing that counters this is the christian missing pieces episode, and the writers saying that they were gonna kill jack in the pilot anyway

  • April 26, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST


    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    Who hasn't read Dark Tower by now?! I hated it to be honest. I wanted Roland to get some sort of rest, closure, anything. When he was all like "nooo not again" I felt the same.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST


    by bobbywatts

    im a bit of a noob herei guess, who runs room 23? u do? i go there its pretty cool.what i meant about the blast door map is that it doubles as a map of the places that can be reached from the island as fairly certain that we will see a claire moment where charlie is lurking in the back yard, claire starts to exit house to investgate, and then the house gets blown for jack being in the coffin, just something that popped into my head when the doc washed up on shore. i think it was the mercs on the boat that did in the doc, not saymond

  • April 26, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    ugh. i think that's how it'll go down. the last thing you see on Lost is Jack trying to get off the island via a time machine and then waking up on the beach.

  • April 26, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST


    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    I think Viggo Mortenson would make a good Roland on film, since Clint Eastwood's too old.<p>Back to Lost, perhaps Jacob = Crimson King, and Ben = Flagg?!

  • April 26, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    one thing everyone

    by bobbywatts

    is just kind of skipping because so much happened in this ep, is why do locke and ben need to go to jacob together? I guess that means that ben can communicate with jacob, because weve kind of had him on screen from his last visit to jacob to now, and we never saw him go back to jacob.and smokemonster (SPOILER) they also wouldnt use the dark tower ending for the show because they used it in the game, and thay couldnt use it again...right? i hope?

  • April 26, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST


    by rutgersjaffo

    ARE YOU SERIOUS?! Damn, I am from Erie! Of all the times to not be in town. Any idea which beach they went with? I assume nothing on Presque Isle. Maybe Shade's?

  • April 26, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST


    by rutgersjaffo

    I think the time travel angle ending is possible, just because I believe the island itself travels in time...

  • April 26, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Nap and a couple others...

    by rutgersjaffo

    You DO KNOW that LOST is not real, right? Linus is not a real person. Jack is not a real person. They do not have abilities or internal drive beyond what writers give them. Just saying...

  • April 26, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    What I was interesting was the 'challange"

    by edshrinker

    Widdy and Ben made to each other regarding finding the island. I'm guessing when you use the technology to timetravel and telport - somehow you are able to return to sender...otherwise why is it Widdy can't find "what is his ie. THE ISLAND, and Ben so easily moves around and can't back. But now (if he told Sayid the truth)physically left the island via the Elizabeth (The Libby...remember who it is from) - now it is lost to him and he is the same spot of mess as Jack, Widdy and everyone else who wants to get back. <p> I never gave much credence to Jack in the jungle post crash as anythng more than a landing spot in the crash. But comparing the wake up between Ben and Jack - it is eerie. I'm afraid though (while a FANTASTIC IDEA) is not reality. Why? <p> 1. No Cold Breath upon waking from the transport. I think its established (With Ben wearing the Dharka and freezing in the Sahara upon wakin) that the "trip" EXTREMELY lowers your temp. <p> 2. Jack was on the Plane in established timeline. <p> 3. There is nothing about memory loss as a side effect...unless Jack is REALLY good at faking he is just a crash victim all this time <p> 4. No tell tale injury to left arm. A bit of a reach here (pun intended) Halliwax LOST his left arm. Ben has a HUGE gash on his. The tech has a flaw that needs to be worked on methinks. <p> 5. Mobisode 13. Christian and Vincent. "Wake up my son" and all that. Jack was traveling home to bury hisdad after begging Oceanic to bend a very big rule. He was on a plane...not in a Dharma station time traveling. What happen to that Jack if "this Jack in the JUngle" is a time traveler? <p> there is more. It is such a FUN theory, but I don't think it holds weight. Ironically - If Jack gets to use it and he DOES return, I think he will appear close to his pose in the Pilot, in the jungle...but this time breathing out condensation and with a big gash on his left arm. And Kate will run over and say - "Hey you! Why are you in a parka!"

  • April 26, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Nice thought Paul

    by edshrinker

    Trying to get Nap and I to play nice. I like Nap - I have no problems with him anymore. He has his personality quirks like I have my 30 or so. the posts after the "apology" just reminded me so much of another close friend of mine. Actually - an X. She'd take the blame, say she was sorry, then spend the next month trying to convince everyone listening it WAS really my fault.<p> Psychologically, it is a way to avoid conflict while still holding serve on why the other person is a screw up. I have done it myself. <p> If you want Nap to post - that is your call it is your baby, Paul. He has a lot of great stuff to offer. He would certainly add a unique voice. I hope we don't turn into a fan-fic site - but that is your call, it is your site. With all his other connections as moderator and stuff, Nap could bring alot of traffic and attention . And as good as a writer he is - I'd vote for his inclusion as poster if it was a democracy. <p> You can use Locke's line to Kate here if you want, Paul.

  • April 26, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST


    by Fish Tank

    In a flashback, we find out that Ben and Widmore hooked up through his absorption into the warring faculty against the original Dharma group. We've already met a pirate earlier (Ben's recruiter). Ben and Widmore bond, blahblahblah, and then discover a secret door with hieroglyphics on it (which Ben later builds a house around). They go in, something happens, and Ben pushes Widmore through the teleporter. Widmore is then banished to the outside world, and has been trying ever since to get back. Great parallel between a pirate and a rich guy, it explains his need to collect artifacts, and that's all I have. Anyone want to continue this idea?...

  • April 26, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Have we met Jacob before????

    by Maximus Prime

    Is there a fringe character who would be Jacob, maybe he is the constant for the whole time shiftin Island...the Island needs him for stability and he needs it, he is at one with it, so he knows teh best way to keep it safe...<p> But I love the whole Hurley dynamic now with Locke and Sawyer..they stick one of our best loved characters in teh middle between two great strong forces and he seems pretty helpless....gotta feel for the big guy...

  • April 26, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    Nice to see you at Room 23!

  • April 26, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    re: sayid not questioning ben...

    by Reedus

    I think sayid so easily jumped aboard with ben because he was so distraught over nadia's death. the need for some sort of revenge replaced rationale.

  • April 26, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    True to a point MP

    by edshrinker

    And don't forget Ben in that mix. And when Ben, Locke, Sawyer are busy barking orders or whatever - then Hugo does something like throw the furniture through the window to save Sawyer and Claire. He's not the laid back "dude" he used to be since the Dharma Van. Screw following "orders" if his friends are at stake. He Lost Chaaalie - my guess he will do anything he can to make certain he NEVER loses another friend.

  • April 26, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by Bumpasses Dawg

    Like I did (stupid TIVO designated it as a repeat and skipped it!) there is STILL a way to see it. If you have an XBOX 360, just go to XBOX Live and you can download it onto your player in HD for a small fee. Trust me, for this ep I would have paid a LOT more! And now I have it saved to watch smokie go batshit over and over in High Definition goodness. If you don't have XBOX, go to and you can watch it on your computer for free. Still, I recommend HD on a 50 inch screen with surround sound. Smokie will shake your fillings loose!!! :-D

  • April 26, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Ben Linus

    by Bumpasses Dawg

    This was an amazing episode for Ben. Michael Emerson is rapidly becoming the main reason to watch this show. It has been a long time since a television show has given us a character as complex. Without using physical force, he has used his mind and his wiles to get everything he has ever wanted from anyone. Watching Emerson's face when those wiles fail him - when he watches his daughter violently murdered just after speaking words that will haunt him forever - it was incredibly powerful. What a brilliant actor.

  • April 26, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Bobbywatts - regarding Paul's Blog

    by Napoleon Park

    Not sure why the question was addressed to me or why at least five people who could and should have replied to it didn't.<p>Pardon me for a second... Cap'n Jack, Room 23 is a fan site at blogger. It's a collection of material pertaining to Lost assembled by fans of the show. It may not conform to the highest professional standards you might expect from a commercial website, but it doesn't have to. It was begun as a spin-off from the previous Lost talkback (as well as last summers 10,000 post epic) and the main purpose is to have a place where people who want to post and read spoilers about the show may do so while leaving them out of the Lost talkbacks at AICN for the benefit of those fans who prefer to remain spoiler free.<p>Not that I've ever understood what's wrong with blowing or why it's considered a derogatory term. Back when I used to be a sexually active heterosexual, I enjoyed being blown.<p>Sorry for the digression, Bobby, where were we? Oh, you asked about Paul's blog.>p>The Room 23 blog was started by Paul Burrows, aka "Pa," who posts here as 4we8have15to16go23back42. He also assigned posting priveleges to Edshrinker, Node32774, Maximus Prime and rbrog77 (aka Ed, Nodecode, MP!!! and R-Bro'-G-sevens. You have to have posting priveleges to post articles or links. It's open to the public to read - to post in the comments section under the articles you have to be signed in to a Google or Blogger account - if you have gmail signing in to that works, too.<p><p>

  • April 26, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Re:Widmore's and Ben's "hunt"

    by theBigE

    Upon rewatch of TSOTTC last night, I believe the "hunt" that both Widmore (I still call him Caleb Nichol) and Ben are on is not the same hunt. Widmore is hunting for the island, while Ben is hunting for Penelope. Whoever finds their quarry first wins. They are not both trying to hunt for the island - Ben knows how or is able to get on and off without diffuculty (evidenced by his suits and passports he possibly travels with). Widmore can't do that for some reason. And the Island won't let them die, either.

  • April 26, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Cap'n Jack - Mr. Popular

    by theBigE

    I think Cap'n Jack and Gotham need their own talkback, where they can post Spoilers without warnings and unlimited junior high level putdowns without limit!

  • April 26, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Re: Nap and the Changing TB title

    by theBigE

    Nap, did you notice this Talkback title reverted back to "What is Code J-14?" earlier this morning? I see it's back to the whole Doctor title again. Off topic, I suppose, but odd nonetheless.

  • April 26, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    It's not me, it's you.

    by Napoleon Park

    That's a joke. You know, the reversal of the break-up cliche.<p>You stated in writing three times that you were upset that I called you a name - I issued a formal written apology to which you replied that I never acually said what you got me to apologize for. Okay, that was fun.<p>You also clarified that your asking me not to participate in the "5Q for Darlton" games wasn't related to that. You brought that up and made some misstatememnts of fact which I clarified. Since I can string more than a couple of paragraphs together on the same topic you labeled it a "story" which implies fiction. Actually, when you said I posted responses to the interview Q's ten minutes after they were posted, or posted to every single interview, that was the fiction.<p.I had this great friend - talented guitarist, tragic death - who had the quirk of always having to get in the last word in a conversation. Not "make a point", just actually be the last person to utter a sound. You could keep him on the phone for hours by just always saying one more thing - or keep him sitting in the driveway burning gas.<p>If you stick my name in a topic line, don't end with "let's let it drop" and expect to have the last word, expecially if you've misrepresented my side of a discussion as "a story".<p>You tried something similar the other day when you sidestepped some points I made and then ended with "but I see you were joking". Hey, I'm not here to join the debate team, but does that tactic ever work? As Lindsey Boxer once said on "Women's Murder Club": "If I was joking, you'd be laughing."<p.Anyway, you implied a direct question about the sincerity of my apology. Yes, I was sorry I allegedly called you that thing you then said I never actually called you. (We can drop that now - remember how that whole "I am not a crook" thing backfired for Nixon?) My later reply under the title "all your fun belongs to me" was about a different subject, and I was replying to it because you brought it up. Am I sorry that I participate in a group participation game in a public forum? Uh, still "no" on that one. Are we clear now?<p>I think we've bored these good Lost fans enough. Tell you what, if you need the last word, go for it and as long as you don't say anything that isn't true about me, we'll drop it. Peace in our lifetime.

  • April 26, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    It's not me, it's you II

    by Napoleon Park

    I really have to stop screwing up the paragraph breaks, or else write everything in notepad. Another post have vanished into the netsphere. Well, it went around a bit but got to the point of let's drop it and it's not worth rewriting, so let's drop it.

  • April 26, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Evie , no

    by Napoleon Park

    Room 23 = people who like discussing Lost but want the right to delete trolls.

  • April 26, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    BigE regarding changing titles.

    by Napoleon Park

    Actually I was up until about nine this morning and that slipped my attention. The talkback with two titles? must be some sort of time travel anomaly.<p>I did, however, just notice that enough people have stopped chattering about Superman, Hobbits and that weak Batman poster that swiped the burning logo concept from the Daredevil and Punisher movies that the Lost talkback about one of the year's best episodes is finally in the #1 slot on the talkback top ten list, where it belongs.<p>And when I say "one of the best', well, it was my favorite, but I understand that "the constant" was extremely popular among the Desmondites, the Team Saymong fans and the Desnelope 'shippers.<p>Give me redshirt slaughter, double-oh-Ben and a vengeful Smokey tearing up the jungle like a freight train any day.

  • April 26, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    nappy-kins and ed

    by redfishbluefish

    yes, please, stop, yes, please, stop. in the words of my grandmother "simmer down now". <p> and now for a break from our regularly scheduled program...

  • April 26, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    The Ten O'Clock Death Toll

    by Napoleon Park

    Previously on Lost talkback... there was some discussion of whether being moved to the later and more adult time slot would have any effect on Lost's content.<p>Well, I was thinking about the misleading spoilers for this ep. Yeah, I read spoilers sometimes, though I'd avoid a complete episode synopsis. Anyway, Room 23 invisotexted [tm] a mention that there would be deaths by three background players or "redshirts" and one "minor major" character. Actually, I think it said "a major character depending on what your definition of "major character" is.<p>So someone watching the ep could see doc Ray wash ashore and think, well, he's a well known actor who's been in several episodes, so that must be the "relatively major" character. That way Alexandra's execution still came as something of a surprise. (Or would have if she hadn't been specified by name in a different spoiler)<p>But back to the point about more adult content in the later time slot... anyone think this episode was more violent that usual?<p>Doc Ray washed ashore with his throat visibly, though not TOO graphically, slashed. Desert parka Ben with king fu grip and collapsible nunchuck shoots a guy and leaves a unconscious guy in the desert to die. Three redshirts are capped. Alex is executed. Sayid's wife is killed (off camera). Sayid empties a clip into the man who killed his wife. Smokey slaughters the "frighter" assault team - reportedly a six man squad, though Keamy is shown alive in the preview - that means five dead soldiers, although we only saw one dragged off into the red vapor. Ben would happily have truncheoned the hotel maitre-d. Ben vows to kill Penelope. Oh, Locke and Sawyer draw on each other and Jack's dying of apendicitis. Violent much?<p>With all that mayhem, not much time for sexual tittilation. Still, an enticing glimpse of bare-shoullder Kate provocatively and seductively slipping out of her top strap. Alex handcuffed and blindfolded on her knees for the perverts in the audience. Claire lying on the ground under a blanket. Brief glimpses of Juliet, Sun and Charlotte, though nothing too lingering. So, low scores on the sexual pandering, but they ramped up the violence. Maybe they're saving the sexy for the Jack-centric episode.

  • April 26, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    fishies - you cut me off in mid funk.

    by Napoleon Park

    LOL. and Thanx for the words of wisdom.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Eve, which list?

    by Napoleon Park

    Ben has a lot of lists.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    "Room 23 = people who like discussing Lost but want the right to delete trolls." <p> How in the hell can I ever hold a grudge if you are going to go and something as brilliant as that. <p> I would love it Paul made that sub-title <p> ROOM 23: <p> People who like discussing Lost but want the right to delete trolls<p> Ok...I'm stealing it. <p> We are official past it Nap. I'm glad of it. You're to good a guy to argue with. <p> Plus - I have a feeling you're smarter than me. I hate having that disadvantage.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

  • April 26, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

  • April 26, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    arrgghh! foiled by the enter key!

    by redfishbluefish

    and doubled?? waaa?<p> serviette is what many call napkins here. <p> sorry to cut you off mid-funk, monsier serviette.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    i really did love

    by redfishbluefish

    that last scene with Charles and Ben. and the fact that the Black Rock painting was next to Charles' bed was awesome. that conversation is like a game of chess.<p> yes, Big E, i also think the hunt was Charles for the island and Ben for Penny. Sayid is not going to like helping out with that one.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    "it is very important that you survive

    by redfishbluefish

    what is about to happen here, John."<p> everyone is a pawn and every move ben makes is carefully crafted. it seems that just a week ago he shot John and left him in the pit. Now he wants him to live. Master Manipulator at work. <p> that smirk Ben gives, after he manipulates Sayid into doing some of his dirty work, was priceless. <p> i also quite enjoyed the expression of the desk clerk when she looks up Dean Moriarty, preferred customer.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Now I feel happy

    by Napoleon Park

    Ed thinks I'm smart and funny, Fishies gave me a nickname and even Evie posted something that actually made sense and other than one misspelled word was accurate. Yes, GN, Ben didn't want the Freighter blown up while there were good people on it. That's they the joker-bomb had a pop-up sign saying "not yet". That is correct. Fishbiscuits and Dharma ranch dressing for you.<p>Fishies, Ich nein sprechen ze Francais and being your napkin has another one of those double entendre implications you're so fond of, but I thank you and I live to serviette.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Fishies - the hunt.

    by Napoleon Park

    Darn, you're pretty good for a girl.<p>(Sorry, that was one of my high school commercial art teachers favorite catch phrases and he used it on everybody, male and female alike.)<p>I refer to your interpretation that "The hunt is on" means Ben looking for Pen and Widmore for the Island. A lot of folks post wack theories about things they seem to have misunderstood about the show. When I saw that scene I got the impression that Penny was on the island with Desmond and that Ben was off the island and didn't know how to find his way back home. But your version makes a lot more sense.<p>Imaginary scene I'd like to see: Widmore's in bed reading, there's an elevator "ding" noise, he looks up, the elevator doors in his penthouse suite slide open... and the smoke monster comes charging in like a train out of Hell.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Room 23 posting rights

    by rbrog77

    I'm for giving them to NP...and to multi-colored fishy

  • April 26, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Nap - And...

    by edshrinker

    You see it from the POV of Smokie as he/she/it comes charging in, closing in on Widdy's terrified, knowing face.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    you know,

    by redfishbluefish

    i still wonder why Charles Widmore left the faucet running in the bathroom scene of "The Constant". He seemed to want to be sure to trigger the 'travel' in Des. It does make me even more certain that Desmond was put on that island by Widmore. The freighties are shocked by the mention of Juliet Burke, but no one even blinks at the name Desmond.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Smokey was BIG

    by redfishbluefish

    and NASTY in that episode.<p> to see it come flying out of the elevator shaft would be enough to put me in my grave.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    I missed Fishy's post

    by edshrinker

    I like that. And it makes more sense that Ben still knows how to get back. <p> The story he told Sayid about sailing in on the Elisabeth on the "heading" seemed contrived. I assumed if he couldn't get is because he physically left this time. I thought the same thing you did, Napoleon. Fishy's is MUCH more nerve rattling from the standpoint - most of us really want Pen and Des to sail off or shack up in paradise or whatever. <p> How can Des protect Penny if Ben can scoot around and Des is stuck on Craphole Is.? Cripes I hate the thought. And I don't want to believe Ben could do it if Pen and Des are standing there...<p> then I think of Ben's face when he miscalculated and Widdy broke the rules - and Alex went down. <p> And I think of Locke in the pit and Ben just weeks ago in Island time popping him in the missing kidney <p> And gassing dad and dozens of Dharma folks <p> Des and Pen would stand there side by side smiling, and Ben would be smiling... <p> And he would shoot her 3 times in the ample chest while Des developed the same look on his face Ben had when Alex was shot. <p> poom

  • April 26, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    New poll in Room 23

    by rbrog77

    Ben's expression/reaction when he "woke up" in the dessert at the beginning of 4.09 was very similar to Jack waking up in the jungle in the pilot episode. What do you think that means?<P> You can see possible answers and vote at

  • April 26, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    'it's been a while"

    by redfishbluefish

    Ben says this to the clerk at the hotel. He definitely has been on and off the island on a regular basis. It would be interesting if he had transported to Charles' home in those moments he went into the BenCave, but i think that may be unlikely.<p> we don't really know where Des ends up, do we? maybe he isn't on the island.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Love the poll RB

    by edshrinker

    Haven't "talked" to you in a bit - how are you doing? <p> I put it in the TB - listed all the diferences between Jack and Ben and "the awakening" <p> Fun theory, very cool. But just too many differences in the wake up. (condensation breat and memory for starters). <p> VERY interested in the outcome.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    You too Fishy!!

    by edshrinker

    What is going on?? I haven't been online with you all in a bit. Have you seen your marriage pics yet? ;>}

  • April 26, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    The Polar Bear from Ep 2 of Season 4 explains it: Teleport

    by Stormwatcher

    That is how Ben got off the Ilsand. Just like the Bear that probably was sent as an experiement. Maybe you can't control the Spin of where it sends you so the jacket for Ben or a nice fur coat for the bear. Also Ben's wakeup is similar to Jacks but so is Lockes in Episode 2 of Season 3 where he needs to go save Ecko. Its a LOST meta tag. Always have the eye open important episodes. I can buy Widmore being really old and a friend of Richard Alpert but I believe that LOCKE IS JACOB and will till they say I am wrong.

  • April 26, 2008, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Like the faded sticker on my car door says

    by Napoleon Park

    I voted. To expand on "coincidence," I'd point out that several episodes of Lost have begun with an opening scene of someones eyes as they wake up. It's a recurring motif.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Not with you watching, Eve.

    by Napoleon Park

    We're the good guys.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    I think...

    by edshrinker

    trying to link Jack and Ben as far as the teleporting his place in the jungle and not on the beach after the crash. <p> We don't know where many of the Losties were dumped when they crashed. I've seen a whole lot of posters call shennanigans because Jack woke up in the jungle and he "knew" to run to the beach and knew where the beach was. <p> Not taking into account that the sound of the screaming, jet engine and waves might have clued him in to the beach's direction.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    yes, silly

    by redfishbluefish

    but i mentioned that i'm a brunette, not a blonde. those photos just didn't do us justice. it must have been the lighting...

  • April 26, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Batman (Christian Bale) Talking To Alfred in TDK..

    by Bastard Son of Superman

    Bale: SO how do I sound? DO I sound all dark and mysteriousy? Alfred: NO you sound like a goddamn jackass. Bale: So my Bat voice isn't cool? Alfred: No it's gay. Bale: So how bout my suit? Alfred: You look like a fucking stupid ass Halloween clown.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    i think another song dedication is in order .... <p>

  • April 26, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Anyone seen my dad?

    by Bastard Son of Superman

  • April 26, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

  • April 26, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    darned enter key next to the apostrophe

    by redfishbluefish

    there's a great close up of the new dharma station logo at <p> here it is...

  • April 26, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I'm glad I don't post my loony theories

    by Napoleon Park

    Because there are times when I'm not sure what's happening.<p>1.) - We didn't actually see Ben teleport - he might have been drugged or knocked out, put in a freezer or cryostasis chamber and shipped to the desert, then abandoned. But I doubt it - that wouldn't account for the vibration effect as he awoke. My thought was that he either teleported from a freezing environment or he was supposed to be teleporting to one. but the theory put up here about the actual function of the teleporter requiring sub-freezing temperatures actually makes more sense.<p>Ben is a monster. Not like Smokey, but a truly deeply disturbed and dangerous human monster. Ed fic'd a scene of Ben capping Pen three times in the chest while Dez watched. I think Ben is el monstro but not necessarily a sadist. And I don't recall if he has anything against Desmond. I think, given the opppostunity, Ben would execute Penelope mob hit style - small caliber handgun, one to the back of the neck, one to the temple. I don't think he's have the nerve to do it in front of Desmond - a small caliber handgun would barely slow down an angry Scot. I don't think Ben wants Penny to suffer - she's only a pawn in his game. He would get her down on her knees at gunpoint and make her beg for her life... but only if Charles Widmore was watching. And several people upthread mentioned Sayid killing Penny or Desmond killing Sayid in defense of Penny. I DO NOT believe that Sayid Jarrah would kill an innocent on Ben Linus's say so. Especially after someone killed Nadia to strike at him.<p>3.) - And, really folks, wack theories are fun, but all of the Ben flashforward scenes were that - scenes occuring in chronological order in the future... well, 2005 is our past, but the Island is still stuck in 2004, so, well you know what I meant. No time traveling. On October 23rd, 2005 Ben Linus teleports from some other location to that desert. Because leaving the island can cause that Desmond/constant temporeal displacement thing, he asked about the date to be certain of when and where he was. That's it. Unless I'm wrong.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Who you snitch on Nap?

    by edshrinker

    Skywalkerfam - you really have issues. Wouldn't you enjoy people in a TB actually be glad to "see" you when you log on, show up? It is a pretty cool feeling. MP gets a sout out from a dozen different people when he shows. Rb, Node, 4We8, Nap, Xi, hell, even myself and now MultiColoredSheFish who just started coming has been "proposed to" and is greeted affectionately because she is well liked. <p> You are sighted and TBers yak like Ben after a TeleTimeTrip. <p> I can sense the good in you Skywalker/GothWhatever. Why won't you embrace it? <p> Sigh. <p> Anyone ever solve the mystery behind the changing TB Title?

  • April 26, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    ed ed ed

    by redfishbluefish

    it IS nice to 'see' you here, my friend!

  • April 26, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    just in case anyone missed it further up

    by redfishbluefish

    TBer MAZZKE translated the arabic for us from the scene in the desert. <p> cut and pasted from post- For those who were wondering, the Arabic guys were saying that there were no footprints around Ben. And the guy who was on the horse mocked him saying, "What, do you think he just fell out of the sky?"

  • April 26, 2008, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Serviette - about the 'eyes as recurring

    by redfishbluefish

    motif'. <p>I found this website today that has one whole section dedicated to the 'eye' references on the show. <p> <p> some other interesting stuff on that site, too.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    some of it is a little too far out

    by redfishbluefish

    for me. i do belive it is a battle of sorts between Ben and Widmore. a clash of the titans. and perhaps a game with 'rules'. but that 'lost is a game' site goes a little overboard.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Because you asked

    by Napoleon Park

    There is a request to report "web problems" at the bottom of the page and a list of contacts linked at the top. It is possible to report on or "snitch" on an annoying person who posts excessively, uses vulgar, insulting or threatening language or is generally annoying and disruptive, and get them banned. Or at least force them to re-register for a new user ID. One evening I'd had enough and narc'd on someone called GABRIEL_GREY in one of the "Heroes" talkbacks a couple of years ago. Not my proudest moment but sometime things like that have to be done.<p>Not sure I'd do it again to anyone we know, though. With an atttention puppy like Evie, it's actually crueler and more satisfying to just ignore him for days at a time. Though it was nice of Fishies to dedicate that song to him.<p.[By the way, if anyone missed it and wonder why I call GN "Evie", well, obviously Eve is the part of the day before night. but also, there used to be a vagina cleaning product called "Summer's Eve". Suit mit Tie allcaps the c-word in regards to our look-a-me monkey, but by calling him "Eve" I'm labeling him as a female reproductive orifice cleansing solution. And since Eve is a distaff name, I usually label GN wth a female pronoun, as well. Like I said before, Gotham isn't pussy. I LIKE pussy. Gotham's Eve is a douche. Seriously, GN, you asked for that - I'm the only person who ever talks to you instead of at you in your unhappy likttle life of sitting in a dark room "talking" to a glass box on a desk. And I do not eat fecal matter. A little bread mold sometimes, maybe, but that's about it.]

  • April 26, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    oh, i hate the jimmy!

    by redfishbluefish

    i just thought he deserved it. nodey, so nice to see you honey! i was getting lonely.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    You won't eat off a buffet?

    by edshrinker

    Damn Node.<p> Fishy and I are just friends. Even after you leave for work. <p> MY clique?? That is the nicest thing anyone has said to me SkyGothFamDusk.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Anyone else

    by edshrinker

    made horny my the ad for the 12-inch Lara Croft figure?

  • April 26, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    did you like my dance break further up?

    by redfishbluefish

    now, that, is my fave.

  • April 26, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

  • April 26, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    She's so hot

    by redfishbluefish

    she's like a curry.<p> one of the best Conchords lines ever. in ranks with 'and then we take out the recycling. it's not part of the foreplay, but it's very important'

  • April 26, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Node, wha happin

    by edshrinker

    to Devin Thomas? I thought he'd go a lot higher. 'Course, with no WR in the whole 1st round, I guess it is not a surprise. <p> My 1 allowed sports comment...

  • April 26, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Node, if I told your new wife

    by edshrinker

    I had an eight inch tongue and I breathe through my ears, would that be out of line? <p> one allowed sexually explicit comment...

  • April 26, 2008, 8 p.m. CST

    Bill Haverchuck

    by redfishbluefish

    is my hero.<p> i rewatch that whole series at least once a year...<p> and it takes place in michigan, so there's something about it that is just far too familiar. and absolutely brilliant.

  • April 26, 2008, 8:01 p.m. CST

    dirty dirty

    by redfishbluefish

    please continue.

  • April 26, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Oh boy

    by edshrinker

    You two are made for each other. Node, just be careful of your fellow alum - he might be the milkman. <p> But before I walk out of your life, Fishy, my last girlfriend liked to call me motorboat. <p> bhththththhthththt

  • April 26, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    i'm watching the one with Bret wearing the eyepatch.

  • April 26, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    don't walk out, buddy!

    by redfishbluefish

    i thought that jack Real Doll was hilarious.

  • April 26, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    The Tongue

    by redfishbluefish

    makes me think of Gene Simmons. ewww...

  • April 26, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    speaking of ...

    by redfishbluefish

    Jemaine is singing to Bret about how when they were in a hotel room he put a wig on Bret and 'just laid there and spooned you'. <p> i think they got renewed, yes?

  • April 26, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    I don't think it'd be a good idea to be stuck with that nickname. Makes me think of trying to make out when I was 12. Just like your last wedding pic Fishy, but I was Vincent. <p> I'm surprised Mr. NodeFish did not comment on his photographer's excellent job at your wedding.

  • April 26, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    that pic of us is hot

    by redfishbluefish

    on the bulldozer. oi.

  • April 26, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Ben = Clay Aiken's dad?

    by theBigE

    Flipping through the channels on the tube this afternoon, I saw part of American Idol Rewind, where they were showing Clay Aiken performing, and I thought he bore a a resemblance to Ben. Shirt, hair, ok - not the bug eyes. Not that I'm a big Clay Aiken fan, or not that there would be anything wrong with that.

  • April 26, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Anyone seen my dad?

    by Bastard Son of Superman

  • April 26, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Totally missed the Black Rock painting

    by theBigE

    Right there by Widmore's bed? I'll have to watch it again. <p> And man, it's heating up in here tonight! Node and Fish, you crazy kids might need a private room! Or talkback!

  • April 26, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    by edshrinker

    I was just working on some stuff for Room 23... <p> is so hard to believe the relative age of that blog. It seems like Paul started it a long time ago - and then I think, Karl was just killed and he was talking about how the Picture of him in the header was a nice tribute. That was right before the hiatus. Wow. What in the ^%$# are we gonna do with 7 months on our hands? 10,000 posts indeed. At least we will have that blog to suppliment the final post here. <p> We chatted about it here one day. What will be the link on the right side (assuming TPTB don't change it a couple of times like this one) be after There's No Place Like Home Part 3.

  • April 26, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Good to see you too, ed, fishy, NP, node, pa, mp...

    by rbrog77

    The poll - Someone above made mention of someone above making mention of the similar looks/reactions of Jack and Ben. The 2nd someone was me early yesterday morning.<P> I originally started to make it a comment type poll...just throw it out there and see what people thought by posting comments. But it seems to work well this way too. Either wasy, it seems to already be illiciting responses in the talkback here.<P> Me - Life and work's a little nuts right now, Ed. Friends in from Boulder last weekend for a wedding down east. Taught classes all week this week and fly out tomorrow afternoon to do the same classes in one of the Philly area offices this upcoming week.<P> I'm so afraid of being spoiled right now that I steer clear of a lot of the posts here and Room 23 (it was so cool not knowing anything going in to 4.09). That, of course, still doesn't stop me from coming up with crazy the gods thing...<P> That one really does make a lot of sense to me, and even though CV didn't seem to like the idea, I'm reminded of those that didn't like the time travel idea until they saw how it played out.<P> My stupid faith in the powers that be, I guess.<P> Anyway, I'm around. Email me if something comes up.<P> And since we are playing, I can clean my glasses with my tongue and hold my breath for 30 minutes/women at a time.<P> ;->

  • April 26, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    I was always Team Sayid

    by redfishbluefish

    since he's so lovely and the man of action, and I happily joined in on Team Saymond, 'cause, really, who wouldn't? (plus, i wouldn't mind me a Saymond sandwich if it were offered.... i digress) <p> but Ben is definitely shaping up to be one of the most interesting characters on the show. and he's some kind of awesome with his telescopic whoop-ass stick.

  • April 26, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    ...too fixated on the McCutcheons

    by edshrinker

    must be a Big 10 grad. 100 easter eggs and all you see is the booze. <p> Widdy had paintings? <p> ;>}

  • April 26, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    I felt sorry for Ben

    by theBigE

    but only for an instant, when his poor daughter was executed. I guess I felt sorry for the last words she heard being her dad disowning her. Poor Ben. Then I thought of the lying bastard stealing Walt, "purging" the Dharmites -including his dad, shooting Locke, beating Sawyer, holding Jack and Kate hostage, ordering the deaths of others ... and I was no longer sorry for him. Michael Emerson MUST get the emmy this year. Sorry Locke, it's Ben's turn!

  • April 26, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    that moment when Sawyer

    by redfishbluefish

    shot Tom and said "that's for taking the kid of the raft", was the moment Sawyer really started to grow on me as a character. I always thought he was okay, and fun with the quips, but at that moment he was really fighting for the losties as opposed to just for himself. <p> and now in this last episode he's looking after Claire and Hurley and Aaron. i think i'm actually starting to like him.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST


    by BrightEyes

    nice to see you left the Jack lover off your list of liked talkbackers funny since I'm the one of the few here who has consistently used logic through all my debates and never personally attacked anyone , hmm I wonder why I'm not liked here on this talkback???, guess I better start conforming.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Bright Eyes!

    by redfishbluefish

    they love you, they even talk about you when you're not here which means they miss you. Teasing usually means they are fond of you, ya know. <p> i was happy to see in the last episode that Jack seemed to be in on the whole pwning of Faraday's morse code translation. after Bernard suggests a telegraph, Jack wanted 'to talk' to Bernard. he can be crafty, that jack.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    did you see the homage, Bright Eyes?

    by redfishbluefish

    dedicated specifically to you?<p>

  • April 26, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Dude - I'm sorry

    by edshrinker

    i was just trying to make a point to shithead.<p> Hell - I took the time to feature you in a post at Room 23. If you weren't an interesting guy and sucha passionate fan of Lost - why would I bother? <p> DO NOT Conform. It's over-rated. <p> I loke EVERY SINGLE ACTOR on Lost. can't say that about any other show. And you can't love a show like I do with out a genuine interest in one of the MAIN leads. 'course I like Jack. You are just so damn fun to needle. And one of the most devoted "defend until I look like Doc Ray" Team Jack people ever. Take it back. <p> THE most devoted team Jack guy.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    did you read the title of it?

    by redfishbluefish

    it is a collection of information. say so itself. perhaps you need glasses.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    exactly. and are listed as to where they came from. <p> plus some extra thoughts and additions by PA et all. <p> actually, i'm kind of glad you don't like it. don't come by. i'll be okay with that.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    you would know

    by redfishbluefish

    since you act like one. <p> you know, i was really willing to try. you even come through on occasion with some very interesting and inciteful commentary. but most of the time you just like to be, well, petty and silly. and not silly in a fun way. it's just boring. <p> so that is it. i am done. you are neither worth the time or the effort to rationalize with. <p> i understand you probably don't care. neither do i. in the words of Willow... "bored now" <p> good bye.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    C Ya

    by edshrinker

    Fishy. <p> Just don't flay me.

  • April 26, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    You've Been Officially

    by edshrinker

    GothSkyDuskFamSnitched <p> ? <p> Do you feel violated? <p> God please don't. I think he/she/it is 12 years old. Or rrrreeaaaly in a poor mental state. <p> Pity. Not hate. He MUST post from an institution. Please God - for his/her/it's sake. <p>

  • April 26, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Yes GothSkyDuskFamSnitch

    by edshrinker

    Petty. <p> If you were more insightful we would probably quote you. <p> Check that. <p> No we wouldn't. No one would come back.

  • April 26, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Have a good night all.

    by edshrinker

    Off to go cut and paste some more. <p> ;>}

  • April 26, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    One last thing..

    by edshrinker

    Don't know why this made me laugh so much (though being from Madison, The Onion always slays me)<p> In Popular Culture: <p> In March 2008, the satirical website The Onion released a satirical news video titled "FCC Okays Nudity On TV If It’s Alyson Hannigan."[5] The clip, internally titled "Understanding the FCC's Obscenity Guidelines," features a fictitious FCC spokesman repeatedly stressing that the FCC would not consider Hannigan taking her top off during a TV episode to be an obscene act.

  • April 26, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST


    by BrightEyes

    All is right in the lostback now, I'll be honest I did feel a bit burned thinking that I was on the same level of disliked person that sky is with you guys,I know I have a different view but I always try my best to be respectful and level headed, So thanks Ed I just saw your post at room 23 and Laughed, and redfish thanks for the heads up. by the way I just pre ordered my Jack Doll, I mean Action figure.

  • April 26, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Room 23'ers

    by ChrisVenom

    I love you guys.

  • April 26, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    smokie loves kate re: tower end

    by necgray

    I felt bad for Roland, but I think it was the most appropriate route for King to go. The essence of that character is endless obsession. Roland can't rest. He wouldn't be Roland if he did.

  • April 27, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    you'll wake up in a smoothie!

    by Reedus


  • April 27, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST


    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    what an awesome theory. i've always said that lost was just a bermuda triangle story. think about it, if it was set in the bermuda triangle, would ANYONE be surprised by ANY of this crazy shit? no. cuz it's the motherfuckin' bermuda triangle. but by setting it in the south pacific or wherever, people started becoming genuinely caught up in all the little phenomenon and details that we'd have taken for granted in a BT story. "is that a POLAR BEAR? ...oh well, anything's possible IN THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE", etc i had no idea about all the other triangles. i've never heard stories about the ones on land. so do all these triangles link to the same area where there's this one island? i thought each would have its own little dimension, perhaps some would have islands, some wouldnt, and there was some way to travel around on the other side

  • April 27, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    ..and a Dog named Oy. Can't wait until the 7-part mini...I say that bacause I pray we get nothing less. How could you possibly even think trilogy with that story? <p> Sorry - Nec your somewhat random Tower post just sparked a couple neurons. <p> As for the second part, cert the author did not mean to question Kate's virtue? <p> She doesn't flirt with Smokie too? <p> (Cutie smile a little wink)"Smokie dammit, I know there are feelings under that dust! (becomes firm)...I'm coming with you!" <p> Jeez it's almost 2am. Made it home BEFORE bartime.. WTF? <p> My God I love that BustedTees girl. I wonder how many people actually "get" the 18-1 shirt. If only WE could have been the ONE!<p> (required crack on Node's local team due to ratio of shots to guy banter) Node...didn't Millen find any WRs he liked? <p> 2nd sports quote. I'm fired. And Irish I was less drunk.

  • April 27, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST


    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    roland seemed plenty pissed about it though.

  • April 27, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    by edshrinker

    I you referring to all the stuff I posted here? <p> <p> There are some connections to this and the "Hollow Earth Theory". Too toasted to even try it right now.

  • April 27, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    I You?

    by edshrinker

    Cripes. <p> Are You?

  • April 27, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST


    by ChrisVenom

    I miss them too, Ive been really busy lately. I'll put one up for you guys later. btw Loved your smoke monster analysis. I didnt think about some of that stuff...mainly because my mind is still blown from that episode!

  • April 27, 2008, 1:44 a.m. CST


    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    that's where i saw it. <p> is there a post about the hollow earth theory? <p> i think the connections are huge aren't they? tunisia, east coast of africa, south pacific, those are all spots where people have been transported in the Lost-verse.

  • April 27, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Cyrus Teed

    by edshrinker

    An eccentric doctor from upstate New York, proposed such a concave hollow Earth in 1869, calling his scheme "Cellular Cosmogony". Teed founded a cult called the Koreshan Unity based on this notion, which he called Koreshanity. The main colony survives as a preserved Florida state historic site, at Estero, but all of Teed's followers have now died. Teed's followers claimed to have experimentally verified the concavity of the Earth's curvature, through surveys of the Florida coastline making use of "rectilineator" equipment.<p> And they are ALL waiting for you SMLK! <p> I picked the goofiest of the Wiki articles. Just look it up - there is tons and some of it is kinda credible. <p>

  • April 27, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Bothered by the banner at top "The Fall"

    by edshrinker

    Does that not look like Capt. TightPants himself Malcolm Reynolds? <p> It's not - checked the site. But I wanna tell you - the opening page...I thought I was seeing a trailer for the Dark Tower. Anyone else get that?

  • April 27, 2008, 4:03 a.m. CST

    to all the people who have

    by bobbywatts

    been watching the first episode, the first thing i ever thought about lost was when jack kate and um(fuck, one other person,when they found the dead pilot)anyway, they were running from smokie, and jack dissapeared for a while, kate and x made it back, then jack walks out of the jungle, no explination,just " yea, i got away, i didnt see it" what if smokie killed jack right then and has been jack ever scince? doubtfull, but something weird happened there. as far as the opening of the show, i think its more him saving people in the right order thats the weirdest, claire was most important because she had aaron and was jacks sister, watch it again, see if u notice what im talking about.

  • April 27, 2008, 4:11 a.m. CST


    by suit and tie


  • April 27, 2008, 4:31 a.m. CST

    wtf @ Jack and Kate then

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    if kate has "adopted" jack's niece, why is he so hesitant about getting with her? regarding the revelation that he still loves her after the trial and her subsequent invitation. even if he feels guilty about claire for some reason, he should at least feel responsiblity for his niece.

  • April 27, 2008, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Bobby, another creative theory.

    by Napoleon Park

    I keep hoping that Lost will stay a reality-rooted action-adventure character driven anthology, but the sci-fi and time travel and inexplicable elements keep getting in the way.<p>But as for why Jack would go straight to help Claire... well, back in the early '80s in the Atari 2600 era there was a bootleg Atari compatible game that basically involved driving like a maniac and running down pedestrians and according to the scoring system "pregnant women count as two."<p.I think that's why Jack would go straight to Claire to offer assistance - pregnant girls count for bonus points.

  • April 27, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST


    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    nephew, not niece.

  • April 27, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Smoke Monster, that's a good question.

    by Napoleon Park

    But you missed one detail. To nitpick, well, there's a humor columnist/blogger called "tHe MiSfIt" who likes to misidentify Aaron Littleton as "Erin". But actually, Aaron, aka "Turnip-head", is a boy, which would make him Jack's nephew, not niece.<p>That's just minutae, of course. Currently, from what we've seen both on the island in the 2004 "present" and in the flash-forward future scenes, so far Jack is unaware that Claire is his half-sister. So, why does Claire fail to get off the Island? How does Kate wind up with Aaron? and Why does Jack not want to see Aaron? Currently, we don't know.<p>(Actually it's not 100% confirmed that Kate's baby Aaron IS actually Claire's baby Aaron - but it certainly seems likely.)

  • April 27, 2008, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Smokie - oh, you caught that.

    by Napoleon Park

    twenty seconds before I posted. just under the wire.

  • April 27, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Leobloom: are you real

    by Napoleon Park

    or are you Gotham's Eve's new imaginary friend?

  • April 27, 2008, 4:51 a.m. CST

    The Blog crew:

    by Napoleon Park

    I e-mailed Paul to sign on - hope I can fit in.<p>Has it occurred to you lot that you NEED Gotham? Cliques need outsiders to exclude and Good Guys need a mutual foe to unite them.

  • April 27, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Ben knows Krav Maga !!

    by tritium

    I don't believe anyone has mentioned this yet...which is pretty amazing. I don't think the show, up to this episode, has shown that Ben is an expert at self-defense. The way he took out those arabs in Tunisia showed pretty awesome skill. Have we seen this part of his character, before?

  • April 27, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Napoleon Park is right

    by gotilk

    about the good guys needing mutual foes to unite them. Kinda sad, but almost always true. The foe can be a bad THING instead of a person, or a bad IDEA. But it's usually a guy. And his name is usually Steve. For some reason. What is it with Steves, anyway? Can I get a show of hands? Am I the only one that's noticed? Does not apply to StePHens for some reason. And I know one GREAT Steve. But the rest? Fodder if I had the maps in front of me.

  • April 27, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    gotham_night, I care

    by crazyhorse2099

    <p>Or rather, I would say I'm at least curious.</p> <p>Why DID you change your name?</p>

  • April 27, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    He snitched on Suit and Tie. All he accomplished was getting that post erased and making him mad (see 10 posts up). <p> Same goof, New name. (not S ans T, Skywalkerfamily.) I wished he would have kept the old one. At least we had fun speaking Yoda to him.

  • April 27, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    More thoughts on TSOTTC

    by rbrog77

    Did we miss this? After Ben told Locke he should safe by staying close he then said the people that were coming would not risk hurting him. If it’s a true war wouldn’t you want to kill your opponent? But not in this war. In this war Ben cannot kill Widdy and Widdy’s people cannot risk hurting Ben. Seems strange for a war. <P> I don’t think Claire was in the house. Of course, I could be wrong about this, but Sawyer asked that first guy who got shot if he saw if Claire left her house that morning. After he turned over the picnic table he was shouting for her. It could be that she was outside when the house exploded. Then again, Hugo said she was there after Locke told him to get the baby away from the window, so who knows. <P> Ding dong. With all the fire power and the explosion and the panic and mayhem...and as Sawyer is grabbing Ben saying it’s not such a bad idea to throw Ben to the wolves, Miles walks up and rings the doorbell. That’s hilarious. <P> For those that don’t think Ben is still in control of the island in the future, Sayid asked him how he got off the island after he tackled him in Iraq. Considering Sayid is one of the O6 and probably knows who was on the island when they left, and considering what Widdy says at the end of this episode, I’d say Ben being in control of the island is a pretty safe bet. <P> Ben manipulated Sayid...conned him into being his assassin. And he did it by lying, because Widdy did not kill Nadia...Ben had her killed. He knew of Sayid’s heart and what would make him think with it, and he intentionally turned Sayid’s own heart into a cold place. And he’s lied to him and told him Widmore did it so Sayid could focus his anger in the direction that will most benefit Ben. <P> You gotta love this character. <P> The smokie scene was about as good/bad as possible. Ben watching the carnage with a “mess with me, huh” attitude, Hurley asking if he called it, Miles and astonishment at what he was seeing. But when Locke asked him “What did you do?”, it seemed like he knew this was not supposed to happen...that what Ben had done was wrong...against the rules. <P> I know it’s easy to say anything after you know for sure what it is, but I totally called appendicitis during the Morse code scene. <P> The last scene with Ben and Widdy may be one of the best scenes in TV history. Ben accuses Charles of killing his daughter, Widdy says not to look at him with those horrible eyes and that Ben in fact killed that poor girl, Ben says it’s not true and he’s going to kill Penny so Charles regrets changing the rules. “I know who you are, boy...what you are. I know everything you have you took from me.” <P> We know who Ben is too. He’s a liar. A con. A person who will do and say anything to get to his desired outcome. So Widdy may be right about Ben. But Widdy may also be just as bad. In war, or even in games (and I do think this is a game of some sorts between these 2), it’s not as simple as some folks would have you believe. There’s not always good and evil. Sometimes all sides are bad. And when Ben said he was going to kill Penny, Charles didn’t flinch. In fact, he referred to it as a hunt...a game. <P> Now, to expand/give more thought on my “the gods” theory. Widmore says that island is his, “always has been.” What appears to be the ancient ruins of a giant 4-toed statue is on the island, so “always” would seem to be a very long time. That would seem to indicate Widdy’s been around quite a long while. We think others on the island have been around for a bit too. So are they immortals, as the gods were called? <P> The statue theory posted a few weeks back was that it was the Colossus of Rhodes, a tribute to the God Helios. Helios was oft times confused with Apollo. A few hundred years after the statue fell, a rich man is said to have bought the ruins. <P> So whether you agree with this or not, you have to consider that Widmore may have been around then and bought the ruins hundreds of years after they fell. Why would he want them. Well, when someone pays a tribute to you in such a fashion as building such a huge statue of you... <P> Yes. I think Widmore may be an aged Apollo. And he’s being bested by a lying mortal conman. <P> I may be wrong, but it’s out there in print for you to use against me later. <P> Oh, and the reason the header of this talkback keeps changing is something keeps changing in the space/time continu......<P> ;->

  • April 27, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    suit and tie....

    by travis-dane

    <p>is a fucking ManGod!<p>Rock on...<p>

  • April 27, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Nice comments, rb

    by theBigE

    I liked your insight. I hadn't considered that Ben may have been responsible for Nadia's death, but of course it makes sense. Why would Widmore have her killed? Ben probably did it just to recruit Sayid. <p>I too called appendicitis on Jack during the show! And I've got a witness, as my wife heard me! <p> Could Claire have been in the backyard? Or started hiding when she heard gunfire? I hope we get to see the deleted scene - her vision. Did she see Charlie?

  • April 27, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Charlie - he was on MAD TV last night

    by theBigE

    Dominic Monaghan was on MAD TV last night on Fox. I was trying to see if it was a rerun, but I think it was a new episode. He ended up in the shower with Bobby Lee, asking him to wash his back (and front!) when the LOST logo spiralled across the screen. Then later on he appeared as a "Mr. Tumnus" type creature, faun perhaps, in a magical land sketch. Am I the only one who caught it?

  • April 27, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    suit and tie

    by Bastard Son of Superman

    Do you know how easy it is to spew forth the verbage that you spew? Do you even understand that what you are doing takes no fore thought what so ever? And did you also realize that I gave your mother the reach around yesterday? See how easy that is? Oh, and while I was giving your mother a hand job she told me that she really didn't care for you all that much. This explains a lot.

  • April 27, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST


    by Jackie Boy

    Seriously, what's with the lack of any updates at all this weekend?

  • April 27, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    tritium re: ben's badassness

    by necgray

    I don't think they've shown the extent of self-defense knowledge Ben has, but they have shown several times that Ben can take some brutal punishment. That's probably why nobody mentioned it. Nobody was surprised.

  • April 27, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Ben's "badassness"

    by Cheif Brody

    Who wants to wage a lil bet that Richard Alpert had A LOT to do with Ben's formative years...hence...the badassness. <p> You DO NOT fuck with Batmanuel...or anyone he mentored.

  • April 27, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Jackie Boys right...

    by Cheif Brody

    Pretty sparse pickins here at Ain't It Slow News. You know it's slow when we don't even need shameless BUMPS to have the LOST talkback at the top.

  • April 27, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    smokie loves kate re: roland's reaction

    by necgray

    Of course he was pissed. Who wouldn't be? And King did a brilliant job of making the reader identify so hard with Roland that we feel his pain. Because, like Roland, we've become obsessed. But if you step back from the narrative and actually think about it, that ending was the most appropriate way to go. Because, as I said, Roland's whole character IS obsession. He'll never stop, he'll never be granted rest, until something about his character fundamentally changes. Which I think King seeded in the presence of the horn.

  • April 27, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by Cheif Brody

    I just drove by one of your shit bag hotels...and the light wasn't on. You sleepin on the job?

  • April 27, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST


    by suit and tie


  • April 27, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by suit and tie


  • April 27, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST


    by suit and tie


  • April 27, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Hard act to follow, but...

    by theBigE

    When Widmore told Ben he was "getting more sun," Ben replied either "Iraq is lovely this time of year" or "Your rock is lovely this time of year." For the life of me I can't tell which, but Iraq makes more sense.

  • April 27, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST


    by REDD

    When does the new season of "MILF Island" start?

  • April 27, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    should I bake these for you, Nodey?

    by redfishbluefish

  • April 27, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Another thing I was wrong about

    by Napoleon Park

    Since people like to say "I was right" when they figure something out in advance, I figure it will be even more satisfying for them if they got it right and someone else got it wrong.<p>From the opening pill-popping scene and through several other moments, Jack kept reaching back and rubbing his back. I assumed that his wound - remember Kate stitching him up like a curtain with needle and thread in the pilot? - had finally gotten infected and was giving him trouble. Yes, the Island magickally seems to speed healing, but it also heals selectively - Locke can walk and survive a gunshot, but the cut on his face leaves him permanently scarred. And the guy whose leg Jack set in a splint in the pilot: we've never actually seen him walk again, have we?<p>So, sorry, Brighteyes, but Jack is well intentioned but not always a good leader. In this episode he states at one point his gut tells him they're really getting off the island, then seems devastated when Faraday tells him "No... no" in reply to the question "Were you ever going to take us off this Island?" They say that a Higher Power can both give and take away. If The Island or one of the Island's manifestations (Smokey, Jacob, the apparitions, the healing properties) is such a power, perhaps it can heal and unheal. It gives wellness to the deserving, and if they mess up, it can take it away.<p>We've already discussed how a debilitating and life threatening medical emergency is what makes Dr. Jack abandon his charges and gets him off the island, so the question would be, if The Island makes Jack's appendix swell and rupture... and that's what gets him off the Island... then is it a punishment, a reward or a banishment? Hmmm?

  • April 27, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    fishey- regarding biscuits

    by Napoleon Park

    Cute fish biscuit page. Though technically a cookie isn't a biscuit - though I guess the British use the word biscuit to apply to some cookies.<p>In the context of the show I think the name applies to more than the shape. That is, I know those Goldfish [tm[ crackers or the generic Whales aren;t actually fish flavored, but I'd assume the fishbiscuits actually are protein enriched with ground fishmeal. Not they you'd want to make something that tastes like dog biscuits or cat treats to serve at a party... or wedding. Not to flirt with a married or engaged lady, but you've shown an affinity or at least a tolerance for double entendres in the past, so may I ask, did you notice that picture of the cook at the bottom of the article, her mouth invitingly opened, the large oval head of the bright salmon colored fishbiscuit approaching, it's orifice mouth opened equally wide, preparing to share it's cream-filled goodness... You see what I'm getting at? Anyone else notice that, or is it just me and my dirty mind again?

  • April 27, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Regarding a billion names

    by Napoleon Park

    I believe Eve has a billion names if you count all the nasty things people call her.

  • April 27, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    SUIT AND TIE gives Gotham's Eve

    by Napoleon Park

    a fistbiscuit.

  • April 27, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    i am the walrus, koo koo kachu

    by Bouncy X

  • April 27, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    re-smoke monster thoughts

    by slkboxrman

    i would write ur name but its too long and i forgot to copy/paste....anyhow theory on why the pilot was killed....remember how it was revealed this season that he wasnt supposed to be flying 815 that day...well i think thats why he was the first killed by smokey...he wasnt in the big plan, im wondering how the guy that was supposed to be flying tht day will fare on the thing for sure, he does seem more like jack and the others and less like the other 3 with him...time will tell

  • April 27, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to seeing Lapidus again

    by theBigE

    SPOILER - Lapidus appears to be in the next episode, based on the previews. He seems like a decent guy, but he did fly in the mercs to the island. I'd like to hear/see more of his backstory.

  • April 27, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Eve - regarding mod wannabes and Meanies

    by Napoleon Park

    1.) I stated people call you names. That's not the same as calling you a name. it's just a statement of fact, though obviously they don't have a billion nasty names for you - there probably aren't even that many words in all the planets languages. That was just a bit of hyperbole for humorous effect.<p>2.) We're not all moderator wannabes here, either. 4we8 actually is the moderator of the Lostroom 23 blog, and I moderate 4 Yahoo! groups - one I actually founded and three by invitation, some some people seem to appreciate my efforts.<p>Seriously, you have an eccentric personality and a unique style - as random as your non-sequitors sometimes are, they're usually recognizable as your 'style'. Sometimes you actually participate in discussion with valid points and people have hope that you can be "domesticated" if not 'tamed'. Other times you're just randomly rude and vulgar and insulting. Which is what inspires people to target you and respond in kind. I don't think everyone here is mean - though personally I am a sadist - they just don;t think it's mean to swat a mosquito or step on a roach. Act like a pest, get treated as one.<p>I was semi-serious when I said I hoped Leobloom was your new imaginary friend - that is, an alternate ID so you could talk to yourself when no one else would.<p>And i was very serious a while back when I addressed you and suggested you get a new ID and reserve it exclusively for showing off only the 'good' side of your personality - even if it means actually creating a fictitious persona and "pretending to be nice". That's all a lot of us really do, after all - we're born sinners and innately bad people with rotten upbringings who, at some point, may have made a conscious decision to be good. We meet people and think bad things, but we try not to say them. We see things we'd like to steal, but we restrain ourselves. As Captain kirk once said, we wake up and tell ourselves "I'm not going to kill... today."<p>Sorry if being spoken to freaks you out, I fully expect you to respond by calling me a narc and a feces eater. But i was in the middle of trying to ignore you for a days and i decided to break the steak and talk directly to you because your use of the word "mean" made you sound hurt. Look, GN, I know that sometimes when i do try to talk to you I come off as condescending. My bad, that's me. But think about it. Get a new ID and try to play nice. You can still be GN when you need to vent off some steam, but you might actually enjoy talking with people and not always being the target of scorn and derision.

  • April 27, 2008, 7 p.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    did ben teleport to the same location as where the irish chick found the polar bear skeleton with the dharma logo ? i forgot where they were..then again maybe u can teleport to wherever u want.....obviously ben was there looking for sayid....also good to see how and when and why he came to be in bens service....was it ever mentioned in an earlier episode that his girlfriend was killed ? i dont remember that..then again it has been a long hiatus

  • April 27, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    regarding FRank lapidus

    by Napoleon Park

    Just as Ben is "right where he needs to be" (as Miles said), even when he's a captive, so does the Island get what it wants. It wanted Lapidus. When it got Seth Norris instead it shredded him and hung him in a tree.<p>Lapidus seems like a nice guy. Perhaps his drinking problem is related to guilt. Keamy was described by Ben's information as a good, distinguished Marine who then became a less than noble mercenary. I suspect Frank Lapidus has a similar back-story arc - a relatively good man who's gone into work-for-hire - including some things he isn't proud of such as flying mercenaries around - just because, well you work to survive (and buy booze) and he has a pilot's license, so flying is what he does what he's good at and what he loves.

  • April 27, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    just a thought

    by slkboxrman

    on all this name calling crap....sure being rude and crude is unnecessary, especially on the internet....but some posters have the opinion that they are right and everyone else is wrong...this prob stems from no discipline as children and never ever being told no..ive learned that having an open mind on most if not all subjects has been beneficial in my growth as a human being...that being said...not having an open mind on something as rediculous as the plot of a television show borders on stupidity..its as stupid as the hundreds of idiots that called and emailed comedy central when they didnt air the episode revealing who cartmans father was on south park..and instead aired an april fools truth they said they never planned on revealing it...and they actually laughed at the people that got so upset because they didnt learn who the father of a "cartoon character" was.... in the end , LOST is a TV show , nothing more , nothing less...for the random person to degrade and insult people for having long intricate posts about a show we all love, its just silly , if you have nothing else better to do than post nasty remarks to everyone...then u truly have no life.....go find some porn, find ur dick, and use it...because we all know the odds of u getting a real girl to have sex with u is unlikely...... LOST RULES !!!

  • April 27, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    napoleon park

    by slkboxrman

    thats just what i thought about lapidus....i couldnt remember his name for the life of me.....but yes i do think the island gets what it wants and it now has the guy that was supposed to be flying 815 that day and not his(unlucky)replacement..wonder why he didnt fly ? drunk perhaps

  • April 27, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    The LOST video game

    by BrightEyes

    So I just got a ps3 today and the first game I picked up was Lost, I haven't played much yet but its awesome to just walk around and interact with the Lost universe. Any of you guys play Lost Via Domus and what did you think of it?

  • April 27, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    slkboxr - regarding Tunisia

    by Napoleon Park

    The fun thing about the Internet is that the information is there if you know where to look for it. I checked with the Lostpedia site and Charlotte Staples Lewis found the Dharma polar-bear remains in the desert in Tunisia. Benjamin Linus appeared to have appeared in the Sahara, and then traveled to Tunisia on horseback. IS the Sahara in Tunisia? Sorry, geography is not my area.<p>Unrelated non-LOST note; I refuse to use the Americanized misnomer "Sahara Desert". My Junior College science teacher told us that the word "Sahara" means desert. So saying Sahara Desert (the desert desert) is silly, like ATM machine (automated teller machine machine) or DC Comics (Detective Comics Comics).

  • April 27, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    gotham knight

    by slkboxrman

    as much as i wanted to be fair to all in that comment.... i wasnt defending u ...i think the fan-run LOST sites are a good thing and should be promoted...

  • April 27, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST


    by theBigE

    We haven't heard about Nadia dying - until now. Remember, Sayid flew from Australia to LA looking for her, when 815 crashed.

  • April 27, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    big E

    by slkboxrman

    ok just checking , i figured it hadnt been mentioned before ...but i may have forgot.....thanks for the info...again, its good to know how and why sayid would work for ben

  • April 27, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    I come her for polls and web sites only.

    by gotilk

    Anything about Lost, I consider off-topic.

  • April 27, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    More specifically..

    by gotilk

    anything that's about Lost AND a poll or website is a-ok. Everything else I consider off topic.

  • April 27, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    "i'm invisible!"

    by redfishbluefish

    mad tv lost spoof <p> <p>

  • April 27, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    yes, she does look a bit suspect biting into those fish lips, doesn't she? <p> i digress...

  • April 27, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    "i'm invisible!"

    by gotilk

    That was pretty damned funny. Love his ears, too.

  • April 27, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Maybe it takes longer than a week

    by gotilk

    for them to get bored and crawl back under their bridges.

  • April 27, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    bobby lee

    by redfishbluefish

    slays me. he is frighteningly similar to a friend of mine.

  • April 27, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    who also likes to

    by redfishbluefish

    remove his pants in public areas on a regular basis

  • April 27, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    apparently ......**

    by redfishbluefish

    isn't the only one whose vision is based on movement.

  • April 27, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    i'm bored...

    by redfishbluefish

    (blink).... (blink) .... <p> Let's hang somebody!!!!!!

  • April 27, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    that one was for you

    by redfishbluefish

    gotilk. in memory of great animation gone by... <p> sing it! "oh, the lord love's a hangin', that's why he gave us necks...."

  • April 27, 2008, 11:08 p.m. CST

    does anyone else hear

    by redfishbluefish

    that buzzing? it's very annoying.

  • April 27, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    i think this tb is broken...

    by redfishbluefish

    i just hear buzzing and more buzzing...

  • April 27, 2008, 11:17 p.m. CST

    More time with Lost Via Domus

    by BrightEyes

    It's pretty intense, I wouldn't recommend it as a good game if your not a Lost fan but if you are its fun, more like an interactive story arc for your character then an actual video game.

  • April 27, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST

    4we8! 4we8!

    by redfishbluefish

    that is all. just a cheer!

  • April 27, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Goth - regarding the bear

    by Napoleon Park

    hey, kids, enough troll bashing for now. $we8 may not speak for everyone, but he said if GN brought up a relevant topic someone would talk with him instead of at him. Well, I'll make good on that promise.<p>Yeah, Goth guy, I think you're right. The Island has bizarre properties and forces which can be harnessed or contained in different ways. It seems Dharma was trying to see if they could use that as a power source for teleportation. and while that's generally considered sci-fi, there was an actual science article a few years ago that stated that Star Trek style teleportation might be possible, but actually deconstructing something down to an atomic level and then rebuilding it someone else would require incredibly vast quantities of energy. Which the Island seems to possess.<p>I haven't seen it (or, if it was on the show, I don't remember it) but someone described a Dharma test film that showed that they were conducting tests on the numbered rabbits - those might have been teleportation or time travel/chrono-temporal disparity tests. Logically they would have progessed to using larger animals, such as one of their polar bears.<p>It's been suggested above that the teleportation process involves extremely low temperatures, so a polar bear, which is accustomed to low temperatures, would be an ideal test subject and explain why Ben was wearing the Dharka (Dharma parka). I don't know what kind of carrion eating animals and birds or carnivorous insects live in the Tunisian desert or what the rate of decay for half a ton of meat would be, so I can't say how long it would take for a polar bear to be reduced to skeletal remains. Time travel May have been involved, but I'm not sure that bear skeleton was as ancient as the presence of an archeologist would seem to imply.<p>It's also been mentioned above that in the Dharma orientation films Dr. Wickman or Candlewax or whatever his name is had one arm, and Ben's sleeve and arm were partially cut in the same location.<p>So the sequence would seem to be that the Dharma Initiative discovered the Islands strange properties, figured out how to harness them (the button), figured out how to use them as a power source for their teleportation experiments, and began experimenting, perhaps with a fly or some mice, then the numbered rabbits, then larger subjects including the polar bear Charlotte found in Tunisia. Finally with a human test subject. That may be how Dr. Marvin Candlewaxmanwick or whatever lost his arm. Then, either feeling the process was safe enough or his need was urgent enough, Ben used it and wound up in the Sahara on October 23rd, 2005... which may or may not be the day he left from his point of origin.<p>I don't think Alvar Hanso is a chimp. It's been assumed that he's human,though apparently someone has an interesting theory that he may be an ancient mythological god. Seems not-too-closely-fetched but at this point the show is getting so strange that it's hard to conclusively rule anything out. We'll all know in about two years and getting there is most of the fun, right?

  • April 27, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    GN - re. Hanso

    by Napoleon Park

    I don't want it to seem like I'm NOT answering your question, I just really don't know. Alvar Hanso, founder of the Hanso Foundation, which was the financial sponsor of the Dharma Initiative, was male, but he may have relative or descendents. And if he is an immortal ancient god, then he'd certainly be "alive".

  • April 28, 2008, midnight CST


    by edshrinker

    Napoleon and Queen Fishy I <p> May your posts bring joy and peace throughout the nation.

  • April 28, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Mercifully, I have answered the question

    by edshrinker

    about the elusive "other" Hanso. <p>

  • April 28, 2008, 12:50 a.m. CST

    blog pog scuba

    by Napoleon Park

    Thanx for the approval, Paul, and the welcomes, Fishies and Ed. I'm trying to get caught up with my Yahoo groups - I just posted on the Night Gallery thread at JTS, commented on the Miley Ray Cyrus "nude" photo scandal at the Park, posted 13 pictures at B2P and linked to several articles in the Lounge, and let in new members to a couple of them. Then I logged in to Blogger, went to the dashboard and watched one of those getting started orientation videos. "Blog" and "Blogger" are one (or two) of those words that stop being a word and become a noise after you hear someone say it fifty times in two minutes.<p>Go to blogger and post on your blog then click blog to view your blog and blog your blog, blog blog, blog, blog blog blog blog pogpogpogpog, pog scuba, scuba, scuaba, scubascubascuba, scoooooobah. BLAAHHHGG!<p>Sorry, I'm feeling much better, but I'm still not entirely well... urp >blaahhhggggh!!!<

  • April 28, 2008, 12:58 a.m. CST

    I am no salesman. But Sis and I have developed

    by edshrinker

    a piece of Dharmawear that I am excited about. I will be wearing mine on a brown leather necklace. Inch in Diameter charm of pic posted. SIlver with black shading. <p> We are working on the mold now, and I am pouring my $$$ to get it made. Check Room 23 for more. I want to guage interest on how many I should make (Doing this for friends of AICN TB and Room 23...and other fam and friends) I have about 100 on line depending on price right now. What do you think? <p> REAL pics of mold forthcoming.

  • April 28, 2008, 1:44 a.m. CST


    by suit and tie


  • April 28, 2008, 2:28 a.m. CST

    I speak DOUCHE.. let me translate

    by gotilk

    You use false names to hide behind because you're insecure even in your own ability to write a simple post. You know how they say that if you gave 100 monkeys typewriters, they will eventually write Shakspeare? I doubt it would take long for them to write everything I've read here. You have many names. I contend that you have often typed to yourself with multiple accounts. (this part was hard, but I'll try) While sometimes, funny, you are immature and I believe this may be due to a very real mental illness. It's possible this may have an effect on your intelligence. Boy, this room is cold and you are unintelligent. You take advantage of all of us by consuming cheese made available to you through government charity, chipping away at our infrastructure. I sense that you fear me and this fear is grounded in what I see as reality. Prepare for rough and possibly injurious, forced oral sex. Please dress well.

  • April 28, 2008, 2:43 a.m. CST

    The important question is

    by gotilk

    how does it make you FEEL when people take the time to post, well nothing ...on here. Answer honestly.

  • April 28, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Can't wait to see how they turn out. And I'm dying to drink my diet dharma dew in my dharka while I eat a donut in my dilapidated Datsun. Done.

  • April 28, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    imagine if he channeled that energy

    by gotilk

    into something useful.<br> <br> How often has that been said? I'll tell you how often... every time someone says that someone in Management gets his wings.

  • April 28, 2008, 3:23 a.m. CST

    remember when alias decided to make sloan a good guy?

    by ironic_name

    me neither, coz we all stopped watching.

  • April 28, 2008, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Lost since season two has had an infuriating way of..

    by ironic_name

    putting whats in my head-that I can't put into words-into scripted drama, this means I have a general idea of whats happening, without knowing how to write it down.. from ben being the "real hero" of the show, to jacob being pure thought. <P> borne of a utopian society gone wrong. <P> its like the myth of cassandra, knowing without being able to explain, well, she explained but poeple didn't believe her.

  • April 28, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST

    just a quick note

    by Maniaq

    I've read fuckall posts on here so I'm probably repeating two or three people but I just got one thing to say - and it's not particularly important- <p> In RISK, (to paraphrase) Australia is key to but two things - Jack and Shit - and Jack just left town... <p> Now KAMCHATKA on the other hand, is key to the whole game! <p> continue

  • April 28, 2008, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Suit and Tie - it's over.

    by Napoleon Park

    Suit and Tie, stick a fork in your weinie, you're done. You're a one hit wonder, a one trick pony. You're like the prop stand-up comic who repeats the same chunk on every chatfest and doesn't understand why it isn't funny any more. We've seen what you do. The ALL-CAPS, the verbal abuse, the threats of sexual violence. We get it, you're gay and unhappy.<p>In nature it's natural for a lion to follow the herd and target the weak, the young or elderly and infirm, the helpless and defenseless. In human society, though people who do that aren't "tuff", they're just sissies posing as bullies.<p>We've seen your act. To you the derogatory term for the female sex organs is the worst insult in your limited vocabulary because it's what you hate and fear most in the world. Fine, you're an out of the closet gay, since heterosexual males like cunt. And you target immature posters so you're probably a pederast and a potential sodomy rapist. We're all glad you can vent your spleen on the old Klingon computer with the broken kaplok in your grandma's sewing room and not try to interact with real humans.<p>Most of the world's major belief systems including Beatles fandom believe that all you need is love, that love makes the world go round, that what the world needs now is love, sweet love. Obviously you're so filled with hate you are incapable of love and therefore feel you are incapable of being loved.<p>Now we've all heard the cliches that women aren't as shallow and superficial as men. They don't care about looks, muscles, a large phallus, money, possessions, a cool car, skills, talent or wardrobe as long as a man has a nice personality and a great sense of humor. They rarely mention that if you don't have any of those things, you're screwed. And I'm not presuming to suggest that you're not well hung - there's no question about you being a huge dick and a massive prick. And the idea that you gay males are more superficial than women is probably another negative stereotype.<p>No, the reason you are unworthy of being loved - in your mind - is that love and sex are inexplicably linked and you just don't feel pleasure the way other people do. Chronic masturbation has stretched and damaged the nerve endings in your genitalia and numbed you. Now you have these puny little orgasms with an innefectual trickle of semen and wonder what the big deal is all about. You don't cum good enough. The only way you can feel excited is by abusing someone who you imagine is weaker and younger than yourself. Have you registerd as a sex offender yet? You really ought to.<p>Comics geeks love vigilante crimefighters like Batman - even murderers like Punisher and Wolverine. And that spills over to the popularity of the TV series Dexter - a serial killer who preys on other serial killers. So you set yourself up as an internet troll-killer. You skim threads and topics until you find a troll and then you swoop in for the kill with your all-caps vulgarity and impotent threats. And at first you get a little positive feedback and approval. but you're not saying what everyone else wishes they could say. The fact is, everyone is attacking the same troll and you're just following the pack and saying the same things in slightly cruder tones. You follow them around like a stalker and swoop in for the kill over and over, accomplishing nothing. Anyone with a scroll wheel can recognize your distinctiive all-caps posts and ignore them.<p>It is sad that your life is ruined and loveless. There should be and in fact is a law against the things your mother did with all those men she said were your "uncles" - it's horrible that they paid extra to make you watch and appalling that you had to clean her with your tongue afterwards, but that's what paid for your groceries, so try to forgive her... and yourself.<p>You and your victim are the same, a frightened monkey-child with a disturbed personality crying for attention and approval as you spew filth at the glass box on your desk. But a trollkiller is still a troll. You hate yourself so much there's a permanent indentation in your temple from the barrel of your grandpa's old Colt service revolver. You've even pulled the trigger once or twice and missed the one bullet you dared load it with and now you think you were spared to complete your mission.<p>"A trollkiller is still a troll". Complete your mission. You're done here and you bore us, so move along.<p>No, actually I see why you do it. That was fun. You just need some fresh material.

  • April 28, 2008, 5:09 a.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    hilarious translation. <p>

  • April 28, 2008, 5:26 a.m. CST

    thanks for the madtv clip, fishy

    by theBigE

    I only caught the tail end of it when it aired, and couldn't find it on youtube yesterday. That must have been a brand new clip.

  • April 28, 2008, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Thanks, redfishbluefish

    by gotilk

    If it happens again, I'll do my best to translate. My time in Doucheland was limited, but I picked up a few things. (don't worry.. the antibiotics took care of most of them)

  • April 28, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST

    I used to work off LaBrea.

    by gotilk

    Tech support. A job I actually enjoyed for about 7 months.

  • April 28, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Theory on how Claire survived the explosion

    by brob11

    From how I understood the episode, she survived because she wasn't actually in the house, but in the back garden hanging out laundry to dry. The reason being she appeared to be surrounded by clothing, found lying out the back and wasn't hirt much. I don't think we are meant to think she was being 'protected' in any way. Also, she seems to spend most of her scenes these days doing laundry and hanging it out to dry. My only bug bear is that she did seem remarkably calm for someone so perilously close to death and didn't seem to care too much about the other random extras either!

  • April 28, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Another theory

    by The_Squid

    is suit and tie another one of gotham_knight's names? Discuss

  • April 28, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Damn, I thought this was the Doctor Who talkback

    by chrth

    I was all like 'why does the Doctor Who talkback have almost a thousand posts?'

  • April 28, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Xiphos and the Squid

    by Napoleon Park

    dsounds like a great new sit-com.<p>Regarding trolling, trollkilling and trollbaiting. G_N can be domesticated - not trained to a collar leash and cage, that would be S&T's thing - but at least domesticated so that he doesn't attack everyone at random and shit where he plays.<p>S&T, on the other hand, has nothing left to offer by the same recycled allcaps gay pedophiliac rants. G_N is an attention monkey doing his rudeboy act and shouting hey, look-a-me, S&T does his cagney-and-lacy bit, pretending the be the pretector of the interwebs for the tiny bit of glory and approval it gets him. There's no difference between their pleas for attention, only in the degree to which they're disturbed.<p>Xippy, asture observation about my own twisted psyche - reread my offering S&T what he offers us and decide which parts and which percentage of it are autobiographical. Clue - I'm not gay. And I don't consider calling someone gay an insult and don't use it that way. (Though it is an effective way to really piss off homophobes - all of whom are latent.) With S&T it's simply an observation of fact. Squid, I've considered that S&T is another G_N/S'sF alias. It would explain their close personal relationship and how S&T is able to stalk him so effectively. And it would be clever - placing G_N in the victim role and making him appear sympathetic. It's intriguing, but ultimately it makes G_N seem cleverer than we think he is. And he's clearly no Benjamin Linus. Was that really what you were going for?

  • April 28, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Brob Ones - regarding Claire always doing laundry

    by Napoleon Park

    the Island is environmentally conscious and there are no new deliveries of disposable Dharma diapers?

  • April 28, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Gothchild - brilliant!

    by Napoleon Park

    I underestimated you - that's a brilliant idea. We can get a fake ID or two and pass it around to slam you 24-7, relentlessly. That you provide you with the constant attention you need and give everyone a chance to vent and rant.<p>Maybe you ARE cleverer that everyone thinks you are.

  • April 28, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Nodecode regards Keamy

    by Napoleon Park

    Good marine turned mercenary, wastes ammo to skeet shoot for target practice, rude to the deck hand (which makes him either racist or elitist), rude to his pilot, ready to kill everyone oon the island. I don't think he was the sharpshooter who took out Danielle, Karl, and Locke's redshirts Doug, Jerome and "blonde casualty" since I wouldn;t credit him with that much skill. But he capped alexandra the split second Benjamin said "go ahead and shoot her" just to prove he would. Is there any worse way to kill someone than SARCASTICALLY? As an actor it might be interesting to see him play a cop or something, but as a Lost character I don;t thinbk it's possible to "like" keamy.<p>I see three futures: 1.) - He runs through the jungle and Danielle, more than half dead, is lying there with a rifle and scores twice to the chest - killshots through both lungs. 2.) - He runs through the jungle and encounters Sawyer's retreat. He attacks and is disarmed, he and Sawyer fight, superior training tells and he puts the knife in, the miles redeems himself and establishes his new layalties by putting a twenty opound rock through the back of his skull. Or, option #3.) - Benjamin. In the laboratoory. with a scalpel. for days. and days. And what's left is used to see how many different places one body can be teleported to at once. Bits of Keamy spread over all twelve vile vortices.<p>So don't get too attached to him... he's fishmeal.

  • April 28, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    On top of old Smokey

    by Napoleon Park

    the Michael emerson interview at Room 23 contained one intriguing tidbit of information - or maybe theory - that i don;t recall seeing here in all the years AICN's been talkbacking Lost. Right from the start people have allways said "Smoke monster" or "Smokey". Even though some of the thinngs it does - from shaking trees to holwing in the night to ligting human beings up and hanging them in trees or slapping them around like rag dolls - are not things we associate with 'smoke'. It clearly has a physical property and great strength. Early on there was a lot of support for tiny robotic nano-bot technology, like the micro-bots in 7-of-9's system of the ones that gave that kid on that UPN series his super-powers. That might not be right, either. But the best-guess offered by the actor who plays Benjamin Linus is that "Smoke monster' is a misnomer. How about "electro-magnetically charged metal filings monster" instead. Depending on the polarity of the charge iron shavings could both exibit the fluidity to pour through foiliage and the solidity to commit mayhem, to change shape and speed and even to extend above the ground in arcs in order to appear to fly. And yet, it would still be vulnerable to a electro magnetic barrier like the security fence around Otherton. What magnetically charges metal particles couldn't do would be to appear as an apparition - unless it was a man in a funeral suit or a black horse, and then only seen from a distance and in silhouette. So as theories go, it's not 100% there yet. But the vocalisms could be provided from vibrations or radio waves. And if jagged, angular or crystaline metallic particles could magnetically vibrate at hish speeds, that would explain the "red mist" effect as it grabs it's victims - literally shaking them apart like being grabbed by a belt sander.<p>I guess "on top of old electromagnetically charged metal filey" wouldnt fit in the topic line, but is it worth a thought? Any comments?

  • April 28, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    GN - nonsene and baby talk?

    by Napoleon Park

    I'll see your blah blah blah 1111djdjdj and raise you blog blog blog pog pog pog scuba scuba scuba. Scoooooobah! >blleaaaahhrhhgghhh!!!<

  • April 28, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    smoke monster =/= godzilla

    by Napoleon Park

    Goth, do you actually read the messages of just reply to topic lines?<p>Actually if you go all the way back to the very first articles AICN posted about "This new JJ Abrams show, Lost" one of the first things we knew was that theire were 48 survivors of an arliner crash on a pacific island that had polar bears and a "monster shaking the trees in the jungle". Some folks made a connection with King Kong's monster island as well as the 'something in the jungle' punchline of some movie the name of which I've forgotten. Kong fought Godzilla, Godzilla comes from the pacific ocean, and in the pilot something pulled Seth Norris out of the cockpit, ripped him apart and left him dangling in a tree, so some people jumped to the assumption that it might have been some T-rex sized redatory "monster" and certainly no one was gussing "smoke monster" or 'electomagnetically charged metal filing mnster' at that time. So if you went all the way back to the speculation that was around immediately before or after the series debut and factor in the fact that Lost co-creator JJ Abrams movie "Cloverfield" was an atempt to crate an American Gojira movie, then the godzilla comparison is not entirely far fetched or off the wall.

  • April 28, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    I'd let Claire wash my laundry anyday..

    by Maximus Prime

    :) Prime over and out

  • April 28, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    MP!!! - where did this start?

    by Napoleon Park

    How did Maximus Prime turn into the Norm! Peterson of the talkbacks? No disrespect to the tradition, I'm just wondering.<p>And you realize that 'do my laundry' doesn't really seem to have any clear double entendre connotations, right? maybe you were thinking "clean my shorts"? Handle my unmentionables?<p>I'm just glad that Rose is no longer the groups officially designated laundress.

  • April 28, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Node - Danielle's revenge.

    by Napoleon Park

    Brill! Actually that would work even with her passed on to the great beyond. Keamy running through the jungle, pursued either by Smokey (Filey?) or James ford with a pistol and just when you think he's going to evade his pursuer he steps into one of Danielle's rope net snares and up he goes, slamming into a tree trunk and hanging dazed and helpless in mid air. Not so helpless - he pulls a combat knife and begins to cut himself loose when Benjamin emerges from the underbrush, collapsible baton in one hand, machete in the other.<p>And, as they say in sit-com land, wacky hijinks ensue.

  • April 28, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Just like to say

    by manicart1

    After nearly a week-Best. Lost. Ever.

  • April 28, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by suit and tie


  • April 28, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    LOL, Node!

    by theBigE

    Ah, kids these days. Meanwhile, in Lost news.... <p> Ratings down in the new time slot. "Lost," 7.6/13. Good for 2nd place, behind "Without a Trace." What I can't believe is that "Are you Smarter than a 5th grader" and "Don't forget the Lyrics" score better ratings than NBC's powerhouse comedy shows. I guess you can't underestimate the American viewing audience!

  • April 28, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    hieroglyphics link

    by gotilk

    Great stuff. Thanks! Hope everyone is having a great week.

  • April 28, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Ignore the trolls, folks.

    by theBigE

    Eventually they give up and go away if you ignore them. Just don't respond!!!

  • April 28, 2008, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Ditto that, gotlik

    by theBigE

    Good link on the hierogylphics. Curious stuff. Best part was the banner ad underneath the explanation to meet "single Arabs online"! Paging Sayid!

  • April 28, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    I didn't notice that.

    by gotilk

    That is hilarious!! A friend of mine was telling me once that he had this fantasy of rescuing an Arab woman and giving her the kind of freedom western women enjoy, changing her life... etc etc. I said "hey, you should have tried that with your last girlfriend, I think I saw her once in a year". He didn't think that was so funny. Or maybe he was the captive one, I never knew for sure.

  • April 28, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    I have never anticipated anything like I

    by gotilk

    do Lost each week. No music, no film, no other TV show. And I have had my fair share of fanboy moments over the years. This is someone who grew up never missing an issue of Starlog or Fangoria.<br> <br> The only truly sad thing is that when I watch each episode I'm left with a sense that this is a kind of swan song. Like we're getting one last gift before everything collapses into a quagmire of reality TV, short lived but decent shows, reduced budgets and general horror in the bad way.<br> <br> I used to doubt this thing would even make it to the end. I feared it would be taken from the creators before the end, driven in the wrong direction by network suits or generally screwed up through budget cuts and cast losses. But I don't fear that anymore. What I fear is that this is the last of the final great TV experiments. One last look at what could be or what could have been. It's either just THAT GOOD, or my fears are based on what I see everywhere else. But who knows? Maybe TV needs to go to crap before it can rise again. <br> <br> In the scheme of things, it's just TV. But it's so important to remember how important the role of the storyteller is in a society. And these are our stories. Let's savor them while we have them and remember to give them the love and support they so richly deserve. Just always keep in mind that the so-called Hollywood elite are the guys in the suits deciding where the money goes, not the guys writing the stories, or the directors crafting them into visual form. Hell, it's not even the notoriously bad-behaving, seemingly greedy actors. The big money always goes to the investors and distributors, and don't forget it. Remember not to lump the creators into that stereotype.<br> <br> I want to be wrong, but with each new episode, I feel like we're getting closer and closer to the edge of the sky and just a little to close to the sun. The only way from there is a slow burn down. And this is coming from an optimist. An enthusiastic one.

  • April 28, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Better than Journeyman, gotilk???

    by theBigE

    Color me surprised!

  • April 28, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    I think by far better.

    by gotilk

    But does not take away from my love for that show. And it's promise. What a loss. Still almost too much to talk about.

  • April 28, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Kick ass Episode but...

    by Lashlarue

    I think it's going to be hard to explain away all that has happened on this show. It seems like they're kinda of turning it into a chess game between Ben and Widmore. I think the other characters suffer as a result. Jack and Sawyer have become a bit boring. Actually, most of the main losties have. Minor gripes though. Can't wait for season finale!!!

  • April 28, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    I USED to live down there.

    by gotilk

    Inland Valley. I miss it(except for the various commutes). But Sac is my home now. I keep coming back here. Hopefully we won't flood before they improve the flood control here.

  • April 28, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Gotilk...Couldn't have said it better myself.

    by Cheif Brody

    Your fears are spot on and well put. <p> I, too, feared after the slow start of Season 3 of LOST (anyone wishing for more 'Kate and Sawyer breaking up rocks' scenes?), that we were about to have another "Twin Peaks" on our hands. That TPTB didn't have a direction...that there was no one at the rudder...that the candle that burns brightest...burns out twice as fast. <p> There were moments for me during Season 3 where each new episode actually filled me with dread...dread that the story would take a turn down a path that I could not follow. Luckily for me, once the "mini-pod" of the first 6 episodes unfurled...and the second stretch of the season grew with intensity with each passing episode...until it was speeding like a freight train without brakes down a mountainside. <p> Then came the news that Darlton had reached the agreement with ABC to set the End Date for LOST...that there would be no need to "pad" episodes to delay the stampede to the finish line any further. <p> The finish line. <p> I gotta tell ya...that finish line still scares me...for two reasons. The first, is that nagging fear that LOST could STILL take that wrong turn...I dunno...where it becomes too "Stargate SG-1" for me...and starts to become less based in reality...and more into the supernatural realm...or, I should say, the super-dupernatural realm, as much of LOST is currently treading the supernatural aspects already....But in a "Twilight Zone" and not "X-Files" sort of way. Many of you know, Cheif Brody ain't fond of "time travel"...and "teleportation" in my LOST stew...BOTH of which appear to be factoring in the ingredients. However, as I have also said, as long as it's explained away as being 'only possible' because of the island's unique, organic properties, I'm giving Darlton a wide pass on these matters. Now...if we get shown, for instance, that inside Ben's lil 'Mancave' there sits a UFO that crashed on the island long ago...and some of the aliens are playing cards with Bigfoot and the Smoke Monster down there...well, that could be enough for me to start TiVoing LOST and watching "MILF Island" instead. But when an episode that begins with Ben apparently having just "teleported" from somewhere, I am more than willing to suspend my disbelief for the awesomeness that followed. I have faith that TPTB will eventually explain what went on there in the Sahara Desert was, at least, reasonably plausible....that has nothing to do with aliens playing Texas Hold-Em somewhere. But...that nagging fear is always there. <p> The second fear I have about the finish just that. The finish line!! If LOST continues to barrell forward...constantly impressing me by re-inventing itself...and zigging where I was expecting a consistently shocking me week after week...well...I don't WANT it to end! If LOST bucks tradition...and keeps firing on all cylinders...and doesn't somehow 'drop the ball'...or...'jump the Dharma Shark' so many great shows before it have done...then May 2010 will be a heartbreaking month for me, my friends. When I finally have to say goodbye to Jin...and Sun...and Hurley...Jack...Kate...Locke and Sawyer...and even bug eyed Benjiman...It'll be tough. If...IF...LOST can keep that freight train on the tracks THAT long...we, as TV fans...will have witnessed something very special, indeed. <p> But...Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. <p> Only 3 more days 'til the next...all new LOST!

  • April 28, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Xip - regarding skipping long messages

    by Napoleon Park

    That's okay, some come to chat, some come to read, some come to write. If it has a name in the topic line it might not be of general interest and you can usually tell by the first paragraph if it's fan fiction, a song parody or a joke, which also moght not be of interest.<p>I can do one liners and direct statements, but usually I figure if it's not a few paragraphs, what's the point. On the other hand, if I write something and it doesn't all fit on the page without scrolling, I figure I may have overshot my mark.

  • April 28, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Nice Suit.

    by Napoleon Park

    Glad you enjoyed the note, way to go with facing your fears.

  • April 29, 2008, 12:09 a.m. CST

    It's a T.V. show we watch for free.

    by Lashlarue

    I guess we shouldn't complain too much. If it ends well, it ends well. If doesn't, then I'm going to be really fucking pist off! You hear me ABC! I will never buy a product advertised on your network again. :P

  • April 29, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Yes, Sacramento. I actually like it here a lot. Not far from the bay area, a place I'd rather visit. Nice airport, great food, great local music, great indie weekly. We're even starting to get some decent radio. KDVS has boosted their signal, as I've been able to get it loud and clear pretty much everywhere lately. Nice town. But there are still aspects that are very much COW-TOWN. It's evolving. Now if we could just get rapid transit that comes more than once an hour and doesn't require you to be armed just to occupy a seat and try to mind your own business. I guess it's a love/hate thing, really. But mostly love.

  • April 29, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Brody - on going skiffy and the minipod

    by Napoleon Park

    In reverse order from the billing in the topic line...<p>1.)- The Plan to break Season 3 in half in order to avoid the season two curse of preempts, delays, reruns and sweeps related postponements was a sound one. Splitting it into a small chunk and a big one, questionable. Though quite a lot of the long part was faith renewing. The six-episode Lost mini-series had some good moments starting with the opening book club/plane crash scene. It introduced the others compound, the "other island," drove a Sawyer sized wedge into the Jate 'ship, gave us the classic Ben's back surgery scene. And, um, appealed to the segment of the audience that likes watching people have sex while kept in cages. And if it seemed limited and covered some of the same ground over and over, the best defense I can suggest is that it introduced some key players (Juliet, Mr. Friendly, Karl. etc.) and plot threads and yet managed to tie up in six parts without starting a whole lot of new dangling plot elements. In other words, a failed experiment, maybe, that worked fairly well for what it was - a self contained six-part mini-arc.<p>2.)- I agree and have frequently stated that I rejected the season one theories about Smokey being nano-bots, and was reluctant to buy into time travel as recently as "The Constant". I preferred the idea of Lost as a character driven anthology based in realism, but apparently there's enough weirdness on the island and in the lives of its occupants that a lot of it will need sci-fi and fantasy/supernatural/occult elements to explain it all.<p>Still, it's not all about my comfort, and I do enjoy the constant WTF did-not-see-that-coming twists and surprises, where ever that may lead.<p>I co-mod the Yahoo! JTS group and I DO NOT see any jumping Sharks in Losts future that don't have Dharma-tattooed fins. With that finish line in sight, I think a lot of the next two years is going to be dedicated to tying up all the loose plot threads and providing explanations for the questions from the first four years. At least, I hope...

  • April 29, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Did anybody come up with a theory on...

    by sofaking

    why Widmore, if he's been on the island before, would send a physicist, anthropologist, and ghostbuster to the island? Shouldn't he know all this information if he was on the Black Rock and knows Ben very well? I'm not sold on him ever being actually on the island before. Otherwise, why does he need to send a team to get information?

  • April 29, 2008, 1:04 a.m. CST

    gitilk - regarding the end of good TV

    by Napoleon Park

    Few shows get to be "the best" and once that bar is raised it's pointless to compare everything to it.<p>If you count things like "Amazing People", "the Real World" and "Cops," "Reality television" had been around a LONG time. I grew up in the era of I've Got a Secret and What's My Line so night time game shows are nothing new either. There does seem to more of them than ever because, well, they're cheap to make (especially since the writers union let the reality show scripters get screwed over in the strike), they're easy to mount during the summer or during a strike, and because, well, in general we hear abut new ones and don't really notice when they get canceled.<p>The airwaves are filled with police procedurals, too, and unfortunately all the propaganda and brainwashing that crime doesn't pay and the police are infallible doesn't seem to be lowering the crime rate.<p>Television isn't down to one good show quite yet. I only have basic cable, but I'm told the new remake of Battlestar Galactica is very well made and much superior to the vheesefestive original. I have been enjoying the violent vigilante power fantasy escapist elements of Dexter (a Showtime series that has been showing in edited form on CBS). I am in a very small minority here, but I consider TNT's "Saving Grace" to be one of my favorite shows. Although it's currently between seasons, "The Venture Brothers", a Jonny Quest parody, is my favorite animated series. And though a lot of the material on [adult swim] is virtually unwatchable, I have enjoyed The Boondocks, Moral Orel, Frisky Dingo and even occasional parts of Robot Chicken. I came very late to the party but my local PBS had begun showing Dr. Who and I've been favorably impressed. And that's just basic cable (with some upper tier bleed-through). I'm told that for the financially better off, HBO, Showtime, the Sci-Fi Channel, Comedy Central, BBC America, FX, USA and other outlets have some quality programming. The Food Network leaks through my basic cable hookup and I do enjoy "Good Eats," a brilliant combination of the educational and informative with the educational.<p>I admit it's funny that I was asked to co-moderate Jump The Shark since that's a TV criticism concept and frankly I'm not that critical of a number of mainstream broadcast network shows. This last night (Monday) I watched Bones, House and Medium and enjoyed all three. And since I don't have a problem with it's apparent liberal bias, I very much enjoy Boston Legal. There are a number of other evening soap operas that I enjoy involving the medical profession, crime solving groups and suburban housewives, but I'm sure I'd be crucified if I mentioned them here.<p>And while it's hard to predict the future, I have hears that three directors who have had past success with the sci-fi/fantasy genres (Whedon, Abrams and Moore) have programs in the works for Fox's fall season. And several shows I didn't mention here which fell off the charts due to the strike will be back in the Fall, including the spy spoof Chuck and the fairy-tale-ish Pushing Daisies.<p>Needless to add, there has been a revolution in home video and most quality programing from the past is available commercially, so if you feel in the mood to watch something as good as Twin Peaks, The Prisoner or Wonderfalls, if you can afford the cash outlay, you can.<p>Of course we're doomed as hell - next February the government will wisely pull the plug on analog broadcast television and all across the country impoverished people suddenly deprived of free entertainment will be rising up in revolt. We'll be lucky if we survive the two years until Lost concludes, but I certainly don't think we need to worry about running out of things to watch before then.

  • April 29, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Nappy...well said...

    by Cheif Brody

    My biggest problem with the S3 mini-arc WAS that the episodes appeared to be treading water endlessly. I think Season 2 ended by generally covering 2 - 2.5 days on the island...and the S3 openers seemed like they were only covering about a half hour in the storyline (which is TOUGH for an hour long drama)...And yes...we met Juliette, and her fantastic cans, but...since you never know how LONG a new character is going to be sticking around (Hello Doc Arzt, Nikki & Paulo, etc)...I didn't get really attached until she got handcuffed to Kate in the jungle. I got very attached then. <p> And...I REALLY enjoyed "The Constant" BECAUSE Desmond never 'physically' time travelled anywhere. His consciousness did all the travelling...which was fine by me. Add to it that it nearly killed him, which means he won't be doing it again every 5 minutes on the show, makes it all the more palatable. <p> I am very hopeful that Darlton & Co. have every intention of blowing all our minds when the big wrap up comes...and I'm so happy that the writers now know EXACTLY how many hours they have left to tell the rest of the the 'treading water' days are a thing of the past. <p> Now if I can just get them to write the scene where Vincent jumps on Keamy's ass and chews through his neck like it's hot butter. <p> GO TEAM VINCENT!

  • April 29, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST


    by Napoleon Park

    I meant to say that "Good Eats" combines the educational and informative with the entertaining and charismatic. but it is very educational. Tough Rachael Ray has much nicer cans.

  • April 29, 2008, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Napoleon Park

    by gotilk

    Maybe I'm more of a pessimist than I thought. lol. You make some good points about what we have and what's to come. Especially Dexter, Who, BSG (which you should at least rent on DVD.. trust me). Boston Legal, huh? I'll have to check it out. So there.. I guess I have one thing to check out. How many seasons in is it? I just recently discovered the Venture Brothers and I'm hooked.

  • April 29, 2008, 2:14 a.m. CST


    by Napoleon Park

    James "Sawyer" Ford was conning a woman named Cassidy Phillips. She caught him and convinced him to teach her to con, but when she invested her own money in a long con he ran off with it, leaving her pregnant - though he later opened a bank account in his illigitimate daughter's name.<p>Lostpedia offers two theories about her name. One is that "Cassidy" is a reference to the famous outlaw team, which makes Sawyer "Sundance". The other is that it is a reference to Neal Cassidy - the person that Dean Moriarty was based on in William Burroungh's vook "On The Road". And as we have seen, Benjamin Linus has a passport in the name of Dean Moriarty. Though I was equally interested when the hotel clerk referred to him as "Mr. Moriarty" - Moriarty being Sherlock Holmes arch enemy, of course.

  • April 29, 2008, 2:18 a.m. CST

    About 1000th

    by Napoleon Park

    Oops, my bad. I wish it had been more Lost-specific and on topic. By the way, if you scroll to the top of the page, I was 4th. Actually there was one "first" post when I logged in and I would have been 2nd, but as you can see, I actually wrote something at least a paragraph long instead of just typing "Second!". No big deal, I'm just sayin'.

  • April 29, 2008, 2:28 a.m. CST

    I love my Firefly DVDs.

    by gotilk

    They actually stay OUT, instead of being stored.

  • April 29, 2008, 2:29 a.m. CST

    'Nite 4we8have15to16go23back42

    by gotilk

    I'm outta here, too. See you tomorrow.

  • April 29, 2008, 2:37 a.m. CST


    by Napoleon Park

    Juliet was treating her sister Rachel for cancer which caused infertility. Rachel got pregnant, proving the treatment had worked. but then the cancer returned. Benjamin Linus promised Juliet that if she'd stay on the Island and continue her work he'd see that Rachel's cancer would be cured. Later he showed her a live video feed - she was alive and had a son.<p>In the Old Testament of the bible, Rachel is the wife of Jacob and the mother of Benjamin.

  • April 29, 2008, 3:17 a.m. CST

    by Napoleon Park<p><p>Over on the other side of the websiye Quint has an excellent interview with Michael Emerson, who seems to be both surprised and pleased that for the moment at least Benjamin Linus seems to be emerging as a significant lead character on the show. Interesting insights on how the show is made and how the secrets are kept. Well done, and a good read. Check it out.

  • April 29, 2008, 4:10 a.m. CST

    "The Doctor Is Fine"

    by Napoleon Park

    Isn't "fine," pronounced "fee-nay," Italian for "finished" or "over"? Probability that this means nothing: 97%.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:12 a.m. CST

    " i will endeavour to restrain myself "

    by redfishbluefish

    hilarious. i think the 'but if your superior culture get's leaky again-' is my fave.<p> too funny. I have never read those books. they sound quite entertaining.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:13 a.m. CST

    i am quite certain many here

    by redfishbluefish

    are possessed of 'superior culture'. i think that is why i actually started posting rather than just reading.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Oz books

    by theBigE

    Hey paul, we're reading Oz books to my 6 year old right now. She told me I could change the words some if there were words she didn't understand, but I don't touch them! Good stuff, and also a reminder of the Oz-ian elements in Lost.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:14 a.m. CST

    on that note...

    by redfishbluefish

    gotilk - Do you know the way to San Jose?

  • April 29, 2008, 5:21 a.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    I had a busy and long day yesterday. Sorry i missed you.<p> Excellent heiroglyphics link. Fresh ginger infused fish biscuits coming up. anything for you... :)

  • April 29, 2008, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Big E

    by redfishbluefish

    that is why i love the lemony snicket books. they teach some most wonderful words to young people AND provide a situational definition which helps them to understand it.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:25 a.m. CST

    good day, folks

    by redfishbluefish

    see you soon.

  • April 29, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    I've been away so long...<br> Not sure if I remember. But I could Mapquest it. But that's not in the lyrics, so...<br> :) <br> Just remember this.. if you're going to San Francisco be sure to wear flowers in your hair. 'Cause, you know... they DO that.

  • April 29, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Thanks, NP.

    by gotilk

    I missed that on the front page. Great interview with Michael Emerson.

  • April 29, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    we todd did

    by gotilk

    Would Widmore allow another team to go along? Seems unlikely to me. I think they are part of Widmore's plan, just not as "in the know" as the more sinister elements of the team.

  • April 29, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I figured Lost out.

    by BrightEyes

    Lost is a never ending story and also there is a time machine or worm hole somewhere in the snow, that is why There was a polar bear transmitted and why Ben was all bundled up. When you beat the game Lost Via Domus , your character finally escapes the island only to have everything shake and flight 815 crash again, he then wakes up on the island again just like he did the first time except this time is wife is still alive. I think its a never ending cycle except you can change things in your next cycle of living. I'm still working on it. Team Jack

  • April 29, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by Cheif Brody

    Keep workin on that. <p> If LOST turns out to be a fucked up "Groundhog Day"...I'm switchin over to "MILF Island now.

  • April 29, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Transplanted Story?

    by Cheif Brody

    Danielle's...Hands down. Libby's story is coming through Widmore...How she was hired to follow Desmond & Hurley around. Now that it's apparent Widmore has no idea how to get back to the island, it makes sense that he wouldn't have put one of his operatives (Libby) on a plane that was destined to crash. I think she was still following Hurley. <p> In fact...I think that's WHY everyone was on that plane together. I think Widmore found, in some cosmic way...that ALL the Losties had some weird connection to the island BEFORE 815 ever crashed on it. Hurley had the that's easy. I think he was monitoring these people....using "guiding forces" (Claire = Malkin, Locke = Randy, his boss at the box co, Hurley = Libby/Randy, etc) see if they would eventually lead him back to the island...back to take his revenge on Ben. <p> I dunno...But I like it better than "Groundhog Day".

  • April 29, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST

    gotilk - lyrics

    by Napoleon Park

    Actually, "I've been away so long" IS in the lyrics - it's the opening line from the song "I've been away" by The who - a song about a man getting out of prison and vowing revenge on his brother, who commited the crime he was convicted of, framed him and bribed the jury to send him away.

  • April 29, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    4 the sportsball fans

    by Napoleon Park<p>A little peace offering for all the sportball fans - amazing B-ball trick shots - also some ball juggling.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    I just wanted to acknowledge the shout out. It is really funny (as many of you who have worked to upload stuff can attest) how strangely "entitled" people in this world can act. I try to get LOST and BSG up 1st as kind of a personal challange - for fun. And I gave gotton pretty good at it due to a wonderful version of VideReDo (I do the commercial editing manually - but you can also just set preferences and let her loose, she will edit stuff out very well on her own. I digress... <p> The thank you is really appreciated. Plenty of folks say their thanks at TPB, but it is so funny to read comments like...this sucks, terrible quality, can't you make res set to blah, blahm blah, seed more, do this , change that and I think (and dometimes type)DO you folks eveen think about the fact this is free, someone took an hour out of their day to edit and ready this stuff so it could be shared, and on and on. Free stuff. Yet people bitch about it. Why does that just NOT compute. <p> It's even worse when all these folks risk PIRATING charges by stealing motion pic with in theater cams...and then folks bitch about how much they suck and the quality sucks...etc. <p> Risk. Effort. Then given Free. <p> Help me. How has our world become so ungrateful? <p> And you are VERY welcome Ender, Fishy, etc... More LOST nad BSG at usual time. <p> Paul - Have yo seen Serenity (movie)now? Decent tie up. If tiy want to bridge the gap PERFECTLY between series and movie, Joss released a COMIC of all things and the trilogy is AWESOME <p> Serenity:Those Left Behind <p>

  • April 29, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST


    by edshrinker

    Might have been ok...beautiful nod to The Dark Tower as such. But now that it has been used in a game - it obviously was a (maybe discussed)but reject end to the TV series. UbuSoft or whoever prolly asked, "Darlton, can give give us an ending t hat did NOT make it on the writers floor". Hence - "Cycle". I love the fact he changed the past HAD WEIGHT, even though now he starts over. He saved his girl. Now his character has to convince the 815ers he has been through it before. <p> Wouldn't that be a cool character to show up now? I guess that is Des in a way. Maybe Via Domas was a really a story of dude become unstuck in time, changing the past (that Des was prevented in doing) and flipping back to the past with the changed history. Hmmm.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    ed re: download gratitude

    by necgray

    I agree with you, Ed, that when a lot of work is done to create a download, it deserves some credit. That being said, nobody asked these people to risk piracy charges. I think it's questionable to expect gratitude when you're doing something of your own volition. Uploaders choose to upload, they generally aren't asked to upload. I'm always willing to thank someone for a quality product, but I'm also willing to say when the product isn't quality. And a shaky videocamera in a movie theater is crap. That's why I don't download them. Frankly if those people stopped "risking piracy charges", I'd be just as happy.

  • April 29, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    or, to be funnier and more hyperbolic

    by necgray

    It's like if a guy handed me a catshit sandwich. Yeah, it's free, but it's catshit between two slices of bread.

  • April 29, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    I never recieved a catshit sandwitch

    by gotilk

    .. but I had a kid hand me a mud pie once. It was made of real mud. I said thanks, pretended to take a bite, smiled, laughed and secretly tossed it when he wasn't looking.

  • April 29, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    just a hi guys

    by rbrog77

    Hi<P> I could end it there, but because so many of us have become friends with a common interest...<P> I leave tomorrow to come home. Hell of a week in Philly. Interesting posts that I've read here...and there. Love the new poll Paul. Either we are getting more readers, or the one that are always there ar evoting more than once.<P> In the good ole southern drawl, I miss y'all and can't wait until Thursday at 10 EST.<P> See you soon. rb

  • April 29, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by rbrog77

    If you ever get to New Hope PA, go to Havana Fri-Tue and say hello to 12...the bartender outside. Ask her if she has Rick's CD. <P> ;->

  • April 29, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    never had a catch*t sammitch

    by Napoleon Park

    but I heard os some kids once who very carefully opened a candy bar wrapper along the seam and replaced the contents with a monkeyshit bar, then resealed it and told that annoying kid that he couldn't have any. Poo eating hijinks ensued. Too bad that doesn't work in the Interwebs - "Hey (pick troll of choice) - we have candy and you can't have any!"

  • April 29, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    Thank You Mask Man

    by Napoleon Park

    Ed, you've made your case for P2P and I'm okay with ya, but grab your chapstick just in case this rubs ya the wrong way. Did you ever see the Lenny Bruce cartoon "Thank You Mask Man"? A classic. The townspeople are upset because they baked a cake and that summuvuabich Lone Ranger never stays around for a thank you. Finally he explains that he's afraid he might like it - that he might come to expect it and even ignore people in trouble because he's busy getting his thank yous.<p>I did peek in one of your Pirate Bay links out of curiousity and noticed in the comments section you griped that no one was grateful, followed by someone saying "thank you".<p>A recent news article says that modern medical science now has a clue in discovering the cause of happiness (let's just hope they don't find a cure). Drugs help - specifically chocolate, which triggers the same brain chemistry as love. Contact with nature is a component - they suggest a walk in the park but being lazy I find a drive in the country is nearly as good. And they endorse "being appreciated". Being loved or having someone thank you.<p>I just remind you that you've repeatedly said you upload for free with no renumeration or reward. And yet the gratitude of others is clearly important to you - you even directly asked for - and received - your "thank you." That's what you get out of it - that's your payday. And as you remarked above, enough ingratitude and criticism might take the fun out of it for you. Now I get why my own mild chiding "chapped yur ass" so badly, and I'm sorry. Do your thing, man, you're making a lot of Lost and BSG fans happy and making their lives a little easier and more convenient. And I'm sure the quality of what you offer is excellent considering your devotion to your craft, your fondness to the materials and, of course, the price of your offerings.<p>I send VHS tapes to my brother now and then (I assume sharing with a close family member counts as 'personal use') and I guess our VCRs aren't compatible because he keeps me supplied with blank tapes and asks me not to tape in EP or SLP - SP only for him. The slow speed's fine for me as long as there's no snowline - but then I have a 25" RCA TV that's at least 25 years old and the picture quality is kinda impressionistic at best anyway. I'm glad the rich people will have 62" hi-def wall screen TVs like The Jetsons or a James Bond villain in the far flung future of the 21st century, but I'm skeptical of this modern technology - I've still never seen a DVD player that really worked 100% of the time.

  • April 29, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Paul - Oz books

    by theBigE

    Hey - I think we're doing Marvelous land of Oz right now too! Is that the one with the flying gump? I don't read them every night - usually my wife does - but I fill in now and then. Great books! Very imaginative. <p> I never get to post much any more! Track season - I'm coaching, and we lost a close one tonight. Bummer. <p> School ends in 4 weeks - just in time for the Lost Season finale. And then I will post every day - guarenteed. And not just a daily countdown!

  • April 29, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    LOL NP

    by gotilk