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The Best Spoiler Source For INDY 4 Yet Shows Up!
SPOILER ALERT !!
Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.
We’re a month out from release right now.
So far, Spielberg’s kept INDY 4 under wraps pretty well. There were leaks, but they were the kinds of leaks that couldn’t be trusted. Stolen photos. Totally contradictory plot details. There was an active misinformation campaign running here, and that’s cool. That’s part of the fun. Spielberg and Lucas both cry a bit about spoilers and the Internet in this week’s ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY, but I think it’s just the same sort of low-grade irritated rumbling they’ve both done before. I certainly don’t want to be the Grinch and ruin Geek Christmas, and I certainly hope INDY 4 is indeed a gift for fans.
Jeff Wells has a source who claims the film is the best Indy sequel. Bold words. The source is pretty f’ing glowing, and for those of you who go “plant” crazy, check out the full piece on Jeff’s site.
And if you really want to read some detailed spoilers...
... if you can’t wait...
... if you absolutely positively need to know certain things right now...
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Bring it on home, Steve.
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I've got to avoid spoilers for the next 5 months before I'll get a chance to see it.
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Remember the disappointment, reign in thine expectations, and hopefully enjoy yourselves.
Also, I love the original Raiders, but never liked Temple of Doom or Last Crusade. I thought both sequels kinda sucked actually. So, if this is the best of the three, thats still not saying much. -
Wells tends to get things right over there. As far as the ending longtime fans have been waiting for, I wonder if it's the same ending as leaked from that otherwise stupid "Saucer Men" draft?
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How will Blanchett's character die? We've had skin melt off and flake off. The bad-guy death in Temple wasn't as good but I think they'll have a good one here.
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Indy and Marion's lovechild!
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can we not just argue about what sort of headgear the archaeologist about town would wear?
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I'm kinda glad that Mori has remained pretty silent on the whole "bad buzz" thing. It's all a cryptic collection of subjective perspectives by "you don't know whom" anyway. And who knows who that guy Wells quoted is. Despite that it feels quite good to read his thoughts. Goddamn it, it feels just fanfuckingtastic. In the end, though, some people will like it, some will love it and many are probably going to be very disappointed. And who can tell on which side he/she's going to end up. Only 30 more days.
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What kind of degenerate cock sucker just HAS TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS??? This is retarded, and so is anybody who clicks on the link, then brings the shit back here on the talkbacks. I realize AICN is supposed to be on the cutting edge of movie news (wanking motion), but this just seems irresponsible. No, wait... I mean fucking pathetic... that's all.
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Didn't read any of the text. Oh no. But damn, it looks great.
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I enjoy Last Crusade but it's not amazing and Temple is a horrible film. I hope this is good but Lucas has too much involvement for me to get my hopes up, it's not one of this summer's films i know i'll love like Dark Knight or Wall-E. I hope i love it but i can't get up the faith.
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on this one and that has me worried. It's a defense that only someone like him could dream up and it goes a little something like this: "What? It's just a movie. It's not MY fault you've been anticipating another movie in this very popular series for 16 years. That's your fault. It's also your fault that the follow-up movies that you imagine in your head for the last 16 years are much better that the scribbings I wrote on a napkin while taking a shit. In fact everything is your fault. It's a great movie. If you don't see that, then it's your fault, not mine." When I first read that about Phantom Menace, I was miffed, but now that he's said it about Crystal Skull, it just makes me sad. Sad that he can fleece money from fans year after year and they still let him. And he's about to do it again. le sigh.
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and that's if Joe Pesci shows up at the end, tells a funny story, then looks at Shia and says "You know what you are?... you're a mutt!"(smashes Crystal Skull over Shia's head; laughter ensues).
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Apr 21, 2008 6:32:15 AM CDT
Nah, think I'll wait. Not even reading this talkback.
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I'm so fuckin excited right now.
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It's production notes, not a script leak. Sounds good though.
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This movie is as sold as it ever can be. Everybody has already made up their mind whether to see it or not. Further spoilers won't convince one more person to see this movie. All it can do at this point is *lessen* the desire to see it.
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"C'mon genius"
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I can't help myself. I've already ruined Iron Man for myself by reading every spoiler and review. Now I'm going to wreck Indy IV. Why do I do this to myself? What an idiot.
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Apr 21, 2008 6:59:41 AM CDT
"Ruckkehr"? Where is the "ü"? Or at least the "e" behind the "u"
by derlanghaarige
It's "Rückkehr"! Think Heavy Metal!
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"Not as easy as it used to be"
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Temple is a horrible film? Wow.
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nope. not gonna do it you cant make me!
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We should ask NoDiggity that question.
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I glanced over the article. Just a few minor spoilers here and there. Some stuff about Mac being a possible turncoat. A hint about John Hurt's role. Nothing to ruin the movie for me. Quicksand! Why'd it have to be quicksand!?
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I´m gonna click.
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NOW!
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If you are a sad, sad person.
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maybe 4 or 5 comments down, someone is already crackin' on AICN- too funny!
Dzayson says ...
This reads like a typical Harry Knowles fanboy knobjob review. If you're inclined to suck back whatever Spielberg and Lucas serve up time after time, of course you'll go bonkers for Indy 4. How many bullshit positive reviews did I read about the insufferable Star Wars Episodes II and III?
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I miss Nodiggity. What a fool
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It's not the mileage; it's the years
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"It's not the mileage; it's the years"
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"Professor this is definately a dead end!"
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"You're a teacher?"
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There is just nothing fun about Temple. These kinds of serials are about fun and adventure, that's what made Raiders great and Last Crusade entertaining. However Temple wasn't fun and entertaining and it lost all sense tof characterisation (not that Last Crusade made up here). Raiders was a brilliant film because like Jaws it was spectacle that also showed 70s-style characterisation. Marion is a strong, impressive character. Willie in Temple is justa cookie-cutter damsell in distress, no spark, no zip, no fun. Short-round and the mine-cart thing are too kiddish. The story is too slight and too dark. I'm all for dark in many films, hell most films, but these types of films by their very nature are fast, bright and breezy. The script for Raiders was able to deal with what should have been a much darker storyline than Temple in a clever, child-accessible way without just shoe-horning in a kid to get kid audiences on board. Temple just doesn't work. Last Crusade is kind of a product of its time but it gets by on brio. Raiders will always remain one of the best summer blockbusters ever created for its sense of style, wit, excellent story, well defined characters and sheer fun. I disliked Temple when i saw it aged 7 in the cinema and i've never warmed even vaguely to it. Last Crusade i loved at the time and still enjoy, although less than my 13-year-old self who's enthusiasm was through the roof that summer getting Batman and Indy in the same summer (ah, here we are again). Raiders just gets better and better, which should be impossible given that it's so perfect to begin with.
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"You're a teacher?"
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"You're a teacher?"
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Dear 8lb. 6oz. baby Jesus, please let me be wrong about this movie, pretty pretty please.
XOXO - TheJake -
"You're a teacher?"
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most people i know who like Temple liked it when they saw it as kids, and it was usually the first one they saw, having been an infant when raiders came out. short rounds, the carts, all that stuff is aimed at kids. it's full of ridiculous physics and other stuff for laugh value. it is nowhere near as big in scope or as artfully told as raiders or crusade. the treasure and the risk to the world are puny. a glowing stone? saving a village? put that against the ark and the holy grail,with much more historic mythos than a glowing rock...and put the nazis up against a bunch of towelheads with too much eye makeup on..dipping people in lava, making kids mine...to what great world ruling end? raisers stands on it's own. crusade is a good continuation. Temple is the ewoks of the series. the ugly middle child whose only highlights can be summed up with: club obi wan,mountain rafting,crushing room, rope bridge.
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"You're a teacher?"
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"You're a teacher?"
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Then I realized I didn't care. Its not like I need to know which X-men is going to die. Or if there is going to be a cameo for a certain character. Each Indy is made for the movie. So yeah don't care.
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"Part Time"
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I remember how, about 5 minutes into TPM, I realized how much I missed Luke, Han, Leia and company. Yes, it was a STAR WARS movie, but without faces I knew. That was a huge strike against the prequels, and it didn't help much that the plot of the first film was so clunky that it prevented one from engaging with the characters.
Indy 4 has, at the very least, the advantage of not only being made by nearly the entire creative force which did the first three, but also featuring the same cast. This reason alone is enough for me to believe that Indy 4 will not disappoint. I'm not expecting the Second Coming, but I am expecting to have a smile on my face as I reconnect with an old friend. (Cue the Raiders March). -
so if you were avoiding the spoilers on the mayspace page, scroll down quickly enough to check that out. thigh! :D
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Raiders, of course, is a nearly perfect movie. Every note right on. Temple, however, goes for something else, the visceral thrill of the serials, only ramped up to 1000. I was 13 when that flick hit and it was the most fun I'd had at the movies up to that point. (since replaced by Cronenberg's CRASH, of course.. heh heh) Anyway, Temple seemed to be what the Jones franchise was all about. No complaints on Crusade either, though the big score, the Grail, was less than thrilling. (all that for a cup?) Anyway, if this thing packs the goods plus the old fashioned "aw shucks" swagger, it'll fill the bill.
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if there were enough movies for the series to be a true serial, if say, there was a tv movie every few years, or it was a tv show- then temple would be just fine. it's like one of the totally random x-files episodes. self contained, but doesn't build up to or connect with the series.
it's an episode, an instance, an excursion. but it's also an accidental journey, and that's probably why it doesn't work with the series as a whole. indy wasn't seeking this adventure, he fell into it and had to find a way out, saving people by default.
plus the treasure was just crap. --the same stone that can bring bounty to a village can power a bullshit cult dunking statue and brainwash children? that's why i'm a bit worried about the crystal skull, while it's another totally fictitious treasure, at least mysterious crystal skulls do exist from south america, though not 'alien' in appearance. :/ -
I don't know if this is a spoiler or just a mistake or what, but I was on Comcast On Demand this morning looking at some trailers in their New Movies section. For Indy 4 they're showing the trailer from the Super Bowl I believe. But when you read the trailer's description it says -- "Indy travels to the lost city of Atlantis." Anyone else here anything about an Atlantis connection to Indy 4?
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Can't argue with any of your points Zom but I will offer this. With movies like this, my critical eye tends to get a bit myopic. "Raiders" is that "rare to the point of extinction" instance of entertainment and intellegence. The remainder of the series shaved off much of the smarts in favor of the thrill.
I view these movies, hopefully, with the eyes of a dork kid who can still gasp "daaaaang" when something big explodes and our heroes get out in the nick of time. To do anything else is merely setting oneself up for inevitable disappointment.
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i know the glowing lingham stone did not actually power the sacrificial device or brainwash the children, and i do understand the subtext that power can bring good or evil depending on who controls it..i do but come on, it's still a story with really bad indian stereotypes stealing a rock and making kids mine...for what? the thugee empire will take over the world with jewels and child labor? it's weak, guys. weak. how do i know? because i've tried to sell my old "mola ram' mcdonald's glass on ebay and no body wants that crap.
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*Warehouse/Doomtown/Rocket Sled*
*College / Skull exposition / Indy warned of his 'outing' as a Commie*
*Intro of Mutt / Bike Chase / Train ride - Mutt motivation reveal*
*Classic red-line flight montage*
*Mexican town / Jungle Temple / John Hurt intro / Capture by Russians*
*Marion reveal / Jungle chase / Quicksand / Father-son scene *
*Temple Traps / Temple Climax*
*Wedding or Retirement scene*
What do you all think?
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It is just a movie. As much as I'm looking forward to this, if I'm disappointed, it won't be the end of the world and the first three movies won't have gotten any worse because this one wasn't as good as I wanted it to be. The Phantom Menace was no worse than Star Wars. The only difference was, I was 6 when I saw Star Wars for the first time and in my 20s when I saw Menace. Nothing will ever be as good as it was when you were 6 years old.
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Apr 21, 2008 9:55:17 AM CDT
Funk, that's the dumbest thing I've read on here in awhile.
by shermdawg
By your logic bad films don't exist.
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The fact that Lucas would regard his work as "just a movie" shows how much disdain he has for his fans, and how little faith he has in his own ability as an artist. Is it just a movie? Sure, in the same way that the Mona Lisa is "just a painting" to someone without any sense of aesthetics or appreciation for the craft.
Lucas showed his contempt for the craft with the horrific abortions that were the Star Wars prequels, and what he subsequently did to the OT. Similarly, Indy 4 will suck, despite Spielberg directing.
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that is the biggest bullshit cop-out...thats like saying oh it's just a book or just a painting. Sure you can make "just" an anything! or you can make so much more. fuck lucas and his cop-outs. either its a good film or it isnt...all 3 indys films are at the very least really good films..i love all 3 and raiders is a GREAT FILM! the first 3 star wars films are all very good movies (fuck you jedi haters!)..the first 2 being GREAT FILMS! so when lucas says oh the critics already hate it and the audience expects to much...yeah we fucking do you shitty-prequel making douchbag! if you dont think you can make a great film then dont bother trying. lucas has done nothing but talk down this film from day one...read the vanity fair article...its pathetic. it like he has no confidence in his work. after churning out the lame ass garbage that was ep1-2-3 it has me worried...at least spielberg is a competant director,,that gives me hope. I"ll be first in line...but i dunno...is this a good film or just a bunch of old rich has-beens surrounded by yes-men doing a circle jerk. i really hope they made a great film. not a "don't get your hopes up it's only a movie" movie.
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Apr 21, 2008 10:01:47 AM CDT
"Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes was no worse than the original.
by shermdawg
"The only difference was, I was ten when I saw the Heston version for the first time. Nothing will ever be as good as it was when you were ten years old."
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to keep Lucas's crazy ass in check a little bit. I don't think Spielberg has gone mad like Lucas yet.
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after phantom menance's awesome trailer - then letdown, they have a semi-low-key indy trailer to keep hopes mediocre. then when the movie kicks ass, they make out like bandits.
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i hope you mean blanchett and lebouf. i'd pay to see that action.
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that's like saying the fat ugly girl has a great personality, and is a good dancer.
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*Warehouse/Doomtown/Rocket Sled* *College / Skull exposition / Indy warned of his 'outing' as a Commie* *Intro of Mutt / Bike Chase / Train ride - Mutt motivation reveal* *Classic red-line flight montage* *Mexican town / Jungle Temple / John Hurt intro / Capture by Russians* *Marion reveal / Jungle chase / Quicksand / Father-son scene * *Temple Traps / Temple Climax* *Wedding or Retirement scene*
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The only difference is that when I saw Robocop, I wan't menatlly retarted. Seriously, dude, Episode 1 was shit. The big difference between Star Wars and Phantom Menace? Using "I was 6" logic? EVERYBODY enjoyed Star Wars. It appealed to people of all ages, so people who were 6 enjoyed it as well as people in their 30s and 40s. Only 6 year olds enjoyed Phantom Menace. You know, and the feeble minded.
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six posts of "You're a teacher?" - come on man!
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Maybe it's the nice spring weather, but these spoiler pics, especially those shots of the skull stone carvings, makes me feel overwhelmed by Indy nostalgia, and WANT this to be a good movie. It won't be, but I'm suddenly willing to hope against hope.
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Apr 21, 2008 10:30:36 AM CDT
I very little you very big! Play with you no fun! Oh no be sen p
by gibsonusa
No Short Round = No beating TOD.
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Really?
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Is absolutely nothing like saying "the fat ugly girl has a great personality and is a good dancer". At all. You definitely need to work on your similes.
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I dont know what your expectations are. It was a thrill. If you dont like TOD then what do you think of 99% of the other movies that come out in theaters every year?
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I challenge any of the TOD haters here to prove that they have a hot girlfriend.
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You corrected my spelling. Way to go. Here's a cookie. And a balloon. It says "I'm A Member of the JR. Spelling Police! I troll Message Boards Looking For Others' Spelling Mistakes Because My Own Life Is So Hollow!" It's a big balloon. You can tie it to your wrist.
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I didn't correct anything. I just merely highlighted a statement where spelling made it amusing. By the way, what color is the balloon?
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Hearts plucked out of chests, kids being enslaved. Spielberg showed his dark side. And OF COURSE, he now disowns the movie and apologizes for it. How did he produce kids with Willie Scott when he was had his balls removed after they met?
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When you're right, you're right. Sorry about that. You can still have a balloon though. It's Puce. And the cookie? Peanut butter with M & Ms.
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You'll be waiting for awhile since this will most likely land on TNT.
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would find some of their leaks and bust them. Most of the non-foiler leaks and the non-promo leaks come from dorks who signed an agreement not to leak things, who know that the productions take all kinds of precautions to keep secrets, and who are being paid to do a job that involves not leaking information. There are thousands of film geeks out there who would give their left nut to work on a film like this and they'd actually keep their word and not leak things to nerd sites.
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Spielberg did. Lucas kind of shrugged his shoulders and had the attitude of, "well that doesn't ruin the movie."
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Apr 21, 2008 11:31:13 AM CDT
Jeff Wells a good source? He is the most miserable fucker alive!
by proman1984
That said, Spielberg PUTS everyone to shame. This movie will own your ass.
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Apr 21, 2008 11:32:25 AM CDT
Oh, and Temple of Doom is THE GREATEST ADVENTURE movie of all ti
by proman1984
Suck it bitches!
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I agree. It even brought about the PG-13 rating.
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Indy: "What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Archaeologist!"
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re-read the article. He was pragmatic about it. It was Spielberg who was digging in his heels.
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Seeing a new Indy movie in one month is gonna make me spooge. That's enough for me. I'm not going to the theater looking for the cure to cancer.
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Sallah isn't in this movie?
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because Lucas is a douche and Arabs are "not good" for the current US cinema unless they're "bad". Ok, not really. It's mostly because Lucas is a douche and the story isn't set in that part of the world (same reason I guess he wasn't in ToD.)
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There will be no Indy on opening night for me.
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While it's good to have Marion back after missing out on 2, too much familiarity is a bad thing. Kinda like having Boba Fett in 4 of the 6 STAR WARS movies (5, if you count the clones in Episode III).
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As finky noted, Indy's adventures in the newest flick don't take him anywhere near Sallah's neck of the woods. As much as I love Sallah, it's not as if Indy and him always worked together or anything. To shoehorn him in just for the sake of seeing him would be silly.
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Batman beware
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"Why did I pick May 22 to get married?
by finky089 Apr 21st, 2008
12:37:26 PM
There will be no Indy on opening night for me."
Insert dirty joke here.
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George is pretty bitter about the fan reaction to the Prequels. In the EW interview with Lucas and Spielberg, Lucas basically says that Indy 4 will suck bc all the fans already have their own movie mapped out in their heads. Spielberg flat out has to say that Lucas' comments aren't his own. Then they have an argument about digital vs. film.
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See, what thrilled me about those photos in one of the links were these really cool photos of Mayan architecture, with really cool skull designs set into the floor and walls of some ancient temple. But I realize that I was projecting
MY Indiana Jones and friends into that cool setting. The Indiana Jones from RAIDERS (and to a lesser extent, from LAST CRUSADE). However, I remember now that almost EVERY photo and snip of film footage from the trailers has been LAME. Apathetic delivery from Ford. The omnipresence of Shia. The retarded CGI enhanced acrobatics of Ford. The unimaginative reuse of iconic locations, such as the Warehouse. Yes, it's still going to be bad. Yes, I have to see it in the theater just to see HOW bad. I'm looking forward to Speed Racer more, to be honest with you. I expect more from the Wachowskis. Matrix Reloaded was ten kinds of Awesome. -
Cameos from past characters can be fun, etc., but they do need to serve the story. A Marcus Brody rolse could have been (and seems like they might have wanted to if he was still around) been feasible in this film. But Marcus notwithstanding, bringing Marion back seems like a great character to have return. She left a great impression on all the Indyfans since Raiders and it sounds like the writers (Darabont? Nathanson? Somebody?!) figured out a way to have her character in the story that made sense. I'm glad there will be some new characters in this film, even if I'm not wild about who they cast for at least one of them. I'm just psyched to get a new Indy movie - whether it turns out fantastic or just "okay."
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heh, I really left myself open to that, didn't I? Zing!
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but, then I haven't been around as much as usual either. Do you expect Speed racer to be better than Indy, or just looking forward to it more? (actually it sounds like both) I suppose I could make a similar argument if the Wachowskis had never made Matrix Revolutions. That one was such a let down. Not necessarily as much as the SW Prequels (in aggregate), but then, my expectations for Matrix Revolutions weren't anywhere near as high was they were for the prequels pre-Phantom Menace.
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Good points about Sallah, I hadn't thought of that.
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I do think Speed Racer will be better, and I'm looking forward to it more. Only because of the most recent trailer ... it had looked like SpyKids shite until recently, to me.
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So that means Short Round is up for INDY 5 right? RIGHT??
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OH NO BE SEN PIE! OH NO BE SEN PIE!
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Hahahaa. Seriously, Finky? That's great. Congrats!
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Just throwing this out there, and I expect to get totally flamed / hated. All this talk about the alien angle in Indy 4, and the idea that they could be the Close Encounters aliens, plus a couple of the production stills had me thinking. I wouldn't be upset if the film ended w/ the aliens showing up and Indy leaving w/ them on some last adventure. Cut to: the closing scenes of Close Encounters where Dreyfuss is waiting to get on the ship. And in the background, as they're listing off the names of the returnees, walking of the ship is "Dr. Indiana Jones." Although, from those new images, now thinking the closing scene will probably be Indy and Marion in the famous diner painting come-to-life. Alright, bring on the flaming / hating.
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Something about the way guy #2 (PR guy #2?) describes the ending being everything the fans could hope for and a resounding reaction, reminds me of when Connery showed up unexpectedly at the end of Costner's Robin Hood. Could it be, despite the press releases that Connery passed, that he does the same thing here?
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sure it healed his wound but maybe made him live a wee bit longer? i think connery looks younger than ford these days anyway
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but anythign's possible in loopholeywood
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And how exactly would that help the Nazis do anything? Don't all answer at once.
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but, how does an alien skull get crystalized and have a fixed jaw?
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It would be an awesome moment if Sean Connery would show up in this film for a brief cameo. That would be like great icing on an already incredible cake. I have no doubt that this is going to be a terrific film. And anybody who goes to this flick ready to hate it is not worthy to carry the title of FILM FAN.
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George Lucas has all the things we see today possible. If he hadn't had the balls to take the chances that he took with STAR WARS, then sites like this would be non-existent, modern cinema as we know it would not exist, and you Lucas-haters would just have to find some other illegitimate topic to bitch about.
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so many people here are just ready to hate anything because it isn't the fan fiction they've been brewing in their head for years in between movies.
this looks to follow a winning formula. no doubt people will say it's too formula- or it's like raiders crossed with crusade...who gives a fuck? heap it on.absolutely no reason to go into this hating. not even the 'bouf can slow this down. -
Since when do the classic "grey" (movie) aliens have teeth?? That's a new one. Will there be biting? Will Blanchett get chomped by an E.T.? Wow, I need to get a life.
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Give Lucas and Spielberg some credit. These two are probably the most successful filmmakers of all time, and deservedly so. SO WHAT if everything they make isn't on a par with STAR WARS or JAWS. These are only two of a rare handful who, when they put out a film, it is worth watching. Save your hatred for the carbon-cutter pissants who turn out all of this been-there, done that horror crap that is filling up the mulitplexes.
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'Read my lips. No, no no no, no no, no no nono no no! no nono no no no! no no new taxes.'
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Here's something new for you film-haters to try-the next time you go to a movie, go into it with an open mind. You might find your cinema experience more enjoyable. The bottom line is this-if you hate what Lucas and Spielberg do, then stay home with your mommies. Don't buy a ticket. I know I'll have a better time knowing that there is some mongoloid sitting behind me before the lights go down telling his posse what a piece of crap the movie they've just paid $$$ to see is going to be. Just stay home and watch your reruns of BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER. That would make everything more pleasant for everyone.
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he sounds like an angry old man. and i agree with him
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Does anyone know if there have been any postings of cuts from the new INDY score by John Williams? I've seen the track listings, but I'm ready to hear some of that John Williams magic!!!
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Hey bud, you couldn't be more right!!! It's nice to know that there is someone out there who knows how to appreciate something. It does piss me off to the nth degree to see people dissing stuff that I enjoy, more so when they truly know nothing about it.
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And I am sure that's exactly what the new Indy will be. A nice steaming shit sandwich.
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'Wead my lips. No new taxes. DOLL!!!'
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Again about the alien conjecture, I think the last track on the soundtrack is called "departure." Can be interpreted differently, but still...
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whether they get so blatant with the visuals, wouldn't it be cool if the 'famous 5 notes' from encounters was worked smoothly into that closing (departure) score?
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It would certainly put a big smile on this fan's face. Williams is a master. The music that he composed-especially between 1977 and 1984-is nothing short of magnificent. When Jerry Goldsmith passed away, not only did I mourn his passing, but it made me appreciate John Williams all the more. He's not getting any younger (none of us are) but composers on a par with Goldsmith and Williams are truly few and far between.
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most people don't even know he was vietnamese playing japanese in most of his roles.IMDB has some surprising stuff on him, but his last movie was foriegn in 2002, but he helped with fight choreography in x-men? wtf!
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I hold out some hope that one of the INDY rumors I read quite a while ago might be true-that the film has some surprising cameos. Wouldn't it be swell if short Round made another appearance on the big screen!
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For that matter, would it kill them to do another Goonies flick?
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it'd be great if short round cameo was of some smuggler or ex-con, whose current opinion on indy wasn't that good. not like backstabbingly bad, just pissed that he was kinda lulled into a life of criminal hijinx and then abandoned.
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I know the nazi monkey is dead from bad dates, but maybe there will be a new Commie space monkey! His name shall be "Pinko."
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it would be equally good to see short round doing very well, or maybe also having gotten into teaching or archaeology
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Absolutely. This has been something that has been rumored and talked about off and on for quite a few years. Get that cast back together with Richard Donner and you'd have something that true movie-geeks everywhere would flock to.
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instant box office from the 30 somethings and the hot topic 'the 80's are cool' generation.
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No cooler character in the Indy series. Bring back Katanga!
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Henry Jones Sr., Short Round, Sallah, BRING 'EM ALL ON. It's been 19 long years since Dr. Jones has been on the silver screen, why not make this a movie to remember. Spielberg would certainly be clever enough to put all of these guys into the film, and not make it look stupid or contrived. If nothing else, it would certainly leave the fans smiling.
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I want to speculate on stuff like "Departure", but I couldn't bring myself to read the track listings for the CD when that info came out the other week. I guess some part of me still wants to be "unspoiled" for this film.
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-without looking forced...if they can't figure it out let me write it for 'em.
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"seeing my childhood characters dealing with adventures and issues in middle age, done well, would be hilarious." As a fellow 30yr old, I think you're onto something there. Truly.
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noun
The act of leaving.
egress, exit, exodus, going, withdrawal
death? flying saucery? i'm liking that CE3K time travel musing more and more.
then the 5th indy movie could be indy being old and crotchety in the late seventies!
j/k about that bit.
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If they count the Young Indy Chronicles as canon, thought it was always cool that there was Super Old Indy w/ the patch over his eye. Still alive, but having logged waaay more mileage.
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The assembled cast and Dick Donner talk a little about reuniting for Goonies 2 on the DVD commentary. But it all seems like as much of a pipedream as an honest-to-god Ghostbusters 3. Some components want to do it, others aren't so big on it and ultimately it comes down to having a good enough story for all parties to agree on. For years we heard this was basically the case with Indy IV, but it FINALLY got made, so don't give up hope. Then again, it remains to be seen what kind of film Indy IV will turn out to be. Although I would love to revisit the Goonies and think Zom's got a great premise for building a story around, it's probably better to leave these childhood delights in our memories (or give the film theatrical re-releases!) instead of making sequels. I think the rumored plot behind a potential Goonies 2 was going to focus on the children of the Goonies going off on an adventure similar to their parents' original one, only the parents would then reteam to go after their kids.
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This is why I love these films-it's great to be around fellow fans who are ready to talk about and enjoy these flicks as much as I am without geting all negative and nasty about them. Having fun is what it's all about. Always remember that, and the darknened theater and the lines you stand in to get in there will be places you treasure. Sorry if I sound maudlin, but I'm tired of the nay-sayers and doombringers. To quote Oddball from KELLY'S HEROES, "Knock it off with the negative waves!"
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Over the months we've spoilered and speculated over pretty much everything. One thing I'll be psyched to see is how they do the opening Paramount Mountain dissolve. Raiders had the South American mountain; Doom had the Chinese gong; and Last Crusade had, what? That Utah rock formation? I forget.
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Lucas has all but stated he doesn't count YIJ Chronicles as "canon" with both Indy now having a "son" instead of a daughter and more so by having the "Old Indy" bits removed from the DVDs. I guess you could argue that just because a daughter doesn't show up in KOTCS and Mutt does (if Mutt really is his son, which I have doubts about), it doesn't preclude Indy from still having a daughter that he doesn't find out about until still later in his life. It just makes it even more unlikely to happen.
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I agree. If the script is good, then make it. JAMES BOND shouldn't be the only ongoing film character. I got quite a charge out of seeing RAMBO kicking ass again, and going on another balls-to-the-wall adventure with John McClain was a hoot! Give me more GOONIES, show me another CONAN. Hit me with another STAR TREK. And while you're at it, Hollywood, why not pepper me with some really good original films.
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That's a good question Embeedeuce. If the film opens in that New Mexico location, I wonder if it'll be a craggy southwestern mountain? Or if it opens in an interior shot somewhere, perhaps it'll be a poignant piece of art or an old map of some sort - semi-related to the plot- that the logo will fade into.
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Did Indy nail Catherine Zeta Jones or not??
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I don't know about Iny nailing her, but I do know that she would make one Hell of a WONDER WOMAN! They don't need to find some 18-year-old vapid starlet to fill that red-white-and blue suit. It's just tooo bad that the film has been put on the back burner.
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agreed and agreed. Do you remember when Entanglement came out and they had that banner poster of her with her long leg stretched across it? I felt so dirty whenever I'd see one.
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what a dullard I can be. I meant "Entrapment". Hell, I was too busy oggling the poster to read the name of the movie anyway.
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since we were briefly speaking of both, I thought I'd share a link with you guys to a guy on YouTube who has uploaded about 25 minutes of Goonies score (and Cyndi Lauper's Goonies R Good Enough). I made a playlist from his tracks and enjoy listening to it every once in a while. http://www.youtube.com/user/Aldabarran Just make sure to remove the spaces. He's got some other good scores there, too.
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Seriously, I hope you and your husband have a wonderful life!
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And there in lies my explanation of all the shit-talk that goes on about this movie, George Lucas, the Star Wars Prequels, Shia the Beef, CGI, and hell anything that gets much if any attention from talkbackers. BTW, I think the movie looks fine, and I'm fine not knowing the secrets. Amazing how much of my good will they earned bringing back Karen Allen though.
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'Weed muh wihps. Ro ruu raxet.'
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only Mama Fratelli knows for sure
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Lets hope this doesn't menace phantomly.
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Lets hope this doesn't menace phantomly.
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It never ceases to amaze me how fast a Talkback can die, it's like somebody hits a switch. It makes me think that there must be an alternate title spam marathon going on or something.
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What else is there to say about this project, really? At least until it actually comes out and everyone lovehates it and starts pukecumming on it. I have no expectations, so I'm sure I'll at least be entertained.
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Back in the summer of '03, I was thrown into a room of freshman scriptwriters and we hashed out, per our bosses, the next Indiana Jones flick. I believe my take on it was that Jones was tasked to work his way into the recently Red Chinese overrun Tibet and find a doorway to what was, for all intensive purposes, Heaven and/or Hell. To add some cool conflict, a fellow scribe suggested that Short Round was a midlevel soldier in the Red Army and part of the brigade that stumbled upon his old mentor, Dr. Jones. We discover their father/son relationship had soured over the years and Shorty is bitter as all hell. When it appeared that Jones was on the verge of execution, Shorty saved the day and the duo finished the job. Big pyrotechnic finale, or course :D
Nothing ever came of it, of course, but it was quite a fun week of work.... and, for a change, we got paid!
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I believe the film is called INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL. Why don't you morons stow the infantile title substitutions, lay off Lucas, Spielberg and Ford, and go find something better to do with your time than diss a film that isn't even out yet. I hope when it comes to your town, that you are sold out of the showing you plan on attending.
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I like your idea, and it's nice for once to see something here that is at least fun to read. We've all had our ideas of what a great INDY adventure could be. If I have one complaint about these films, it's that, in my humble opinion, they should be like BOND films, one every three to five years.
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Thanks solo! Betcha' if this thing makes some serious bank this summer, you may get your wish. As self-important as Lucas and Spielberg can be sometimes (not that it's a bad thing, per se), they are first and foremost MOVIE FANS and you know this particular franchise is close to their collective hearts. Probably leap at the chance to make a few more before hanging it up...
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Many moons ago, at the tenth anniversary STAR WARS convention in Los Angeles, I attended the Q7A session for the about-to-go-into-production INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE. I asked if Harrison Ford decided to hang up the hat if they would consider casting someone else in the role, such as with the JAMES BOND films. I was largely booed by the crowd. It was a humbling experience to be sure, but, as much as I like Harrison Ford, I still, to this day believe that another actor in the role would not be such a bad thing, as long as the creative integrity of the series was maintained.
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That is not to say that I think Harrison Ford should leave this role. I look at it this way. When Sean Connery left the Bond series, it continued. And I still look forward to the BOND films. And just because William Shatner's fat ass isn't planted in the captain's chair doesn'r mean I don't want to see another STAR TREK film.
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Couldn't agree more on all fronts. Dunno' if they're grooming Shia for an eventual full-time fedora but if so, great. Not quite comprehending the bile that this particular actor receives on this site - - perhaps his choice of projects or his personal life, I have no clue. But if "Mutt" Jones or whatever moniker he ultimately goes by (assuming, of course, he is related to the Jones legacy in some way...I'm in a relatively spoiler free zone over here) is the future of the franchise, as long as the writing and filmmaking prowess is there, so am I.
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Absolutely. And as far as all these people being down on Shia, all I can think of to say is, imagine the crap that these twerps would be spewing about Harrison Ford if this site had been around in 1977. I think some of these so-called "fans" are only fans of their own negative attitudes and ability to spew retarded rhetoric.
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I just know that every year a bunch of films come out that I look forward to. I see them, and then my opinion is formed. If something I'm looking forward to seeing turns out to be junk, I look at it this way. I gave the film a chance. And seeing a crappy film every now and again just helps to to appreciate the good ones even more. And I can say that I've never seen a Steven Spielberg film that I've felt was junk. I've liked some of them more than others, but this is one guy you can count on to not turn out crap.
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You bring up an interesting point, solo. As someone who has worked on the fringes of the film biz for about fifteen years, this site and its Talkbackers are a real wild card out west. Don't think for a second that AICN doesn't come up repeatedly in various creative meetings and isn't monitored regularly by the powers that be (or at a minimum by an underling who reports and summerizes to the powers that be). In a business that regularly falls prey to vapidness caused by too many non-creative types making creative decisions, AICN and all it entails COULD be a force of real change. Sadly, it's the brainless yokels littering these talkbacks that torpedo what could be a viable link of communication between fan and film community.
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My must-see list for this summer is, in order of release:
IRON MAN
INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL
THE INCREDIBLE HULK
WANTED
HELLBOY II: THE GOLDEN ARMY
THE DARK KNIGHT
THE X-FILES: I WANT TO BELIEVE
THE MUMMY: TOMB OF THE DRAGON EMPEROR
THE PINEAPPLE EXPRESS
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I have to agree with you there. Back in '87, I worked as a production assistant for V.C.E., a visual effects company run by ex-ILM alumnus Peter Kuran. It was probably the best summer job I ever had. All of these people who claim to love films so much should think about what they say. It shines a dark and sad light on those of us who DO truly hold a special place in our hearts for films and the art of filmmaking. One thing for sure, though, is that no matter how pissed off I get at what some of these idiots spew, my love for films is never diminished, just emboldened.
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Apr 21, 2008 8:15:57 PM CDT
Chase scene - Speeding vehicles, Indy jumps onto a russian jeep
by orionsangels
There's a picture of it somewhere online. It looks badass
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What spoilers?? I mean, common sense...
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Re: The Short Round Factor- A bit late but that sounded like a great idea. I think fans could accept an adult Short Round faster than Shia.
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WE know what the ark does. We know what the Grail did (not a very quality product BTW). I have no idea what the Sanakara Stones do so is the scull going to do something, hopefully kill the Russians?
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This is huge!
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Ford is Indy, period. And don't hand me Sean Connery. He played Bond for what, 5 years before being replaced? Not the same thing. And bringing Short Round back would like bringing Boba Fet back.
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Was Bond for five MOVIES. Then number six with Diamonds Are Forever after Lazenby. (And then seven later on, unofficially) It is absolutely a fair comparison - the posters didn't say "Sean Connery IS James Bond" for nothing. The difference is that the character was already established in a series of books. No offense but Indiana Jones is a fairly shallow creation of Lucas's - a name, a hat, and a whip. It's Harrison Ford (with Spielberg's great human touch) that brought him to life. It would be hard to see someone else play him. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't spin off the Shia LaBeouf character in the future. Hollywood is shameless that way. And I actually think the kid has much the same kind of self-deprecating charisma as Ford and will grow into a very likable hero figure in whatever movies he does.
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1. The first two thirds of Temple of Doom.
2. Sean Connery turning Last Crusade into a vanity project (i.e. Indy as chump in his own movie)
3. The tank scene (Indy escapes crushing death by...a lucky ricochet)
4. People who insist on calling Jack in the Box things like jack in the crack, i.e. people who can't leave a title alone without adding their own spin. We get it. Indy's old.
5. speculative bitching
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Apr 22, 2008 4:27:38 AM CDT
"or at a minimum by an underling who reports and summerizes"
by lost jarv
We know of him. His name's Philibrick and his life, frankly, sucks.
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Raiders is an update of, and homage to, the old movie serials. TOD, by contrast, is a 1930's pulp novel come to life. If you've ever read any non-Conan stories by Robert E. Howard, for example, you'd immediately notice the similarities in tone, pacing and motifs.
Crystal Skull seems to be following a similar development, becoming an update/homage to 1950's anti-Commie/sci-fi flicks.
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Yes, yes, we all realize the source inspiration, Doc. Its is still a crap movie. As was Crusade. Films should be judged on their own merits, not the material they're inspired by, right? Raiders is the only classic in this series, the only one worth watching more than once. Crystal Skull will probably be entertaining, especially as a nostalgia object, but ultimately forgettable as a film.
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The opener is cool and the ending on the bridge, too. But that crap between those parts is just boring, annoying, laughable and infantile. I refuse to think that the Berg shot this part himself and guess it must've been the Boll in his early years.
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So far, most of the complaints I have heard regarding TOD are things which can be directly traced to its pulp roots.
TLC can't really decide what it wants to be and as a result it's an amorphous, meandering, lumbering mass of cinematic potential but very little delivery. TOD does exactly what it sets out to do from beginning to end and is much more satisfactory.
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I'm OK with Crusade, but frankly they all piss on last year's action movies.
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Did Robert E. Howard's pulp non-conan pulp tales insist on a 5 minute rendition of "Anything Goes", with severe closeups of Spielberg's new love interest in order to try and make her into a star? Was it a prerequisite of a "pulp" story that it make no logical sense? I've read Howard's pulp stories, and they are sometimes cheerfully gratuitous in the violence and sex department, but they try to justify their existence logically most of the time.
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The violence and sex in REH's stories wasn't motivated any more than in TOD.
And please, the Anything Goes opening is both funny and awesomely out of left field, and signifies quite nicely that this ride is going to be somewhat different than Raiders. Get over it.
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... I'm flabbergasted. Were you drunk at the theater? Are you honestly telling me that when that Paramount Mountain faded, you were delighted that it didn't fade on Indy in the middle of another tense adventure, but a MUSICAL? You were really so jaded and sick of RAIDERS by the time you saw TEMPLE that you found it's "out of left field" un-Raiderishness "refreshing" ? What did you do, watch Raiders incessantly over and over until you were sick of it or something?
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Basically, I seem to remember you slating this on the basis that it was going to be an unoriginal retread of Raiders- and now you slam temple for doing something "out of left field". I'm glad you've shown up though, this has been a very argument-free few days.
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I was about 6 when I saw temple and loved it. I recentally saw it again and loved it. Maybe it was nostalgia, or maybe it was the unwise afternoon drinking, but I really enjoyed myself. It is a good adventure film, sure it isn't as good as Raiders, but it is a thoroughly enjoyable pulp story. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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You silly bitch.
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Nothing to add to Jarv's post really...
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the way Braffed= fully functioning useful member of society, with no severe emotional and personality disorders or weight problem. Discuss.
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Are you telling me that your fruit fly attention span wasn't satisfied when TOD faded into another mid-adventure Indy after Anything Goes? Was the song, like, too long or gay n stuff?
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For instance, Indy has to kinda be the same character. We want to see him globe trot and hunt treasure in dangerous exotic locales. We don't want to see some girlfriend of Spielberg's mugging for the camera because he's got the hots for her and thinks he's being shoving her belipsticked puss in the Raiders fans' faces before the movie can properly start. I mean, it would be even more "refreshing" if Bugs Bunny and all his Looney Tunes friends showed up and joined Indy on his adventures, right? But I would be inconsisten for complaining about that because I ask for some originality in a new Indy movie, instead of just sadly copying every little iconic moment from the first film? I liked what the first film did. I want it to make more NEW stuff in that same vein, that same SPIRIT, not just hackily repeating the elements. Not just "Gotta show Indy with Cobwebs on his hat" "gotta show Indy with a tube fired missile launcher" "gotta show Indy kicking enemy army guys out of moving military vehicles". It can still have the same spirit without being a retread of old previously done elements, and objecting to Bugs Bunny and the Looney Tunes being in the movie doesn't condradict that.
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Sounds like something out of The Fast Show.
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I suppose you didn't notice that, after putting up with that stupid musical number, and staring up the nostrils of Spielberg's girlfriend, we were instantly transported to the tension and adventure of ... guys sitting around in a nightclub. With Indy acting out-of-character, trading cool historical artifacts AWAY for a boring piece of cut glass, and a pointless and illogical action scene where Indy dodges bullets and performs actions stunts AFTER being given a poison that should be making him less and less capable. (he seems most affected right after they give it to him, which is why he surrenders the diamond). Massive illogic. Audience intelligence insulted. Too much goofiness and funniness, undermining any tension and sense of real danger. Sure, I was able to wait, but look what I got. Crap.
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Don't be like that. I miss our little chats...I haven't heard much from Abom or Finky lately. When you go to the "bathhouse" later, can you tell them I said "hi"!
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You utterly useless speciman
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Your argumentation is completely arbitrary. It's not that all three of the sequels have original and familiar aspects, it's that YOU decide which original and familiar aspects have any merit. Thus, your arguments have literally zero objective value and are merely a matter of your own personal taste and tailored debating tactics.
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How can you even fail to recognize that his is a cartoonish moment that had NO counterpart in Raiders? My point is that TOD was a kid's cartoon, and making a big deal out of the magical removal of people's hearts, as if this erased the cartoonishness, is being wilfully blind to the fact that TOD was a kid's cartoon in spirit, while RAIDERS was an adventure movie in spirit.
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I will give you that this is out of place.
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TOD is cartoonish when it suits you, and dark and mean-spirited when it suits you.
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Spoiler...It's up Jarv's ass
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I cringe at the rescue by the British officer and his Indian troops at the end as well as at the banquet -- but these things are in keeping with the tone of pulp stories which have a very un-PC neo- or post-colonial flavor.
The banquet also makes me cringe because of Capshaw's antics. In fact, it's a testament to the power of TOD that Capshaw doesn't scupper the whole film.
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Would it have been a good movie? Tomb after Tomb after Tomb, with mechanical death trap after mechanical death trap. Over and over. It wouldn't have been, right? What made the first movie good is that you went from Death Trap Temple to chase through forest, to Gun fight in burning Tavern, to sneaking through German camp, to fist fight with spinning propeller blades, to speeding Army Truck fights, to Apocalypse via Ark. The first movie was a series of DIFFERENT events, but in the same vein of adventure. You'd want a sequel to continue ADDING to the adventure, not rehashing the old stuff, get me?
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albeit annoying.
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and I also like the fact that it doesn't break down into set piece scenes like that. I just don't see how you can criticise Temple on one hand for having variety and then this one for following the formula- you're being completely contradictory.
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.. to explain TOD's difference in tone from RAIDERS. Kate Capshaw also had a magnificent ass.
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Braffed is annoying me so much that my spelling is collapsing.
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the question on everyone's lips is "what will the well dressed archaelogist about town be wearing this summer?" You're the only one that can tell us.
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Apr 22, 2008 7:54:42 AM CDT
Hey, I wish someone would post about how much Temple of Doom suc
by sapno_krei
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.... I criticized it for being fucking stupid and childish. Most of it's set pieces were inferior to RAIDERS set pieces anyway because of the "awww, come on" factor. And where was the variety? The biggest time spent in the film was in the underground caves of Mola Ram. The best part was the spooky moment where Indy steals the stone from the Thuggee altar ... which was good mainly because it recalled the idol stealing moment from RAIDERS, not because it was new. What was "new" was the silly, cartoonish tone. The overfocuse on bugs and gross outs was just an over-the-top attempt to repeat the "Indy Hates Snakes" joke from the first movie and lay it on like mud.
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... a nice, crisp, fresh new Stetson Hat.
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and as in being different from Raiders. And the stupid and childish nature of it, I feel, fits perfectly into its pulp origins. Really, is it anymore stupid than the other pulp stuff? or even Raiders? And I didn't think the bug usage was reminiscent of snakes in Raiders, but I know you like these sort of paralells.
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There was stupid pulp, by really bad writers, and excellent pulp, by people like Lovecraft and Howard. How does "pulp" justify crap? There was good pulp and crap pulp. You judge it by whether it's good or crap, not whether it's "pulp".
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see- I think this is where we differ. On my judgement it is good pulp fun.
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This has been bothering me, because it seems to lie at the root of a lot of your arguments. You seem to have a set ability to suspend disbelief, and when it's passed then your tolerance for the film passes as well- however, your tolerance level is set before watching, and is based in genre- but can't move on each individual movie. How is the "aww come on" factor that you talk about not offended by a lot of Raiders? It's certainly fucked right in the arse (not unlike when Braffed's dad pays him a "visit" late at night) in Crusade and you think that is better than Temple.
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Raiders does have some wtf moments, but mostly you have to think about them later, you aren't disbelieving as they are watching them (I actually can't think of a good example right now ... I notice you didn't come up with one either, you immediately switched to The Last Crusade). Last Crusade is a far lesser film because of all the WTF moments. I didn't really like it when I first saw it. However, watched back to back with Temple of Doom, it's got the right SPIRIT, the right MOOD, even if the action pieces are retarded. Even though Indiana is reduced to a being a chump, next to Connery, somehow he seemed more like the original Indiana Jones from Raiders. The globe hopping was fun, the digging up old Crusaders stuff was fun. I am not a giant fan of Crusade. I saw it, sneered at it, forgot it. Only saw it for the second time EVER recently. It's just that Temple of Doom is so atrocious it makes Crusade look good by comparison.
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I don't think temple is flawless. There's lots of it that pisses me off, (the Han Solo gag for example) but all in all I just enjoyed it.
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Indy wins by closing his eyes. Heroic.
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I always wondered why the darts didn't get Indy when he ran back from the altar with the idol in his hands, trying to escape the collapse. I rationalized that the darts were aimed slightly ahead of the triggers heading towards the altar or something, or that they were designed to get someone walking, not running.
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Apr 22, 2008 8:46:49 AM CDT
Oh yeah and the old "What the hell is the plane doing there" thi
by nodiggity
I haven't found an explanation for it. Why is it waiting? Why, if it's there waiting, didn't it just fly Indy in in the first place, instead of letting him travel across land with multiple mules and assistants?
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Indy fails in stopping a bunch of nazis offing themselves. That's all he accomplishes in Lost Ark. I never thought about that, but that's really lame.
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or whatever demonic freak was posing as God.
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The plane conundrum is quite simple if you think a bit creatively (or indulge in "fanboyism" as I'm sure you'd prefer to call it if it sinks your theories).
Jock flew Indy to the designated rendezvous point where they met up with Satipo and the crew he had hired for the expedition. You can't fly mules to an area that remote and why should Jones have to hoof it if he can afford hiring a pilot?
You should be more concerned with why a German sub sailed topside in decidedly non-German waters for so long (and to a secret naval base, no less) just so Jones could tag along.
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Then what do you think of Pirates, Transformers, National Treasure, Spiderman 3, X-Men, Tomb Raider, AVP and 99% of movies that comes out every year?
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When Indy drinks a martini given to him by his arch nemesis who also has a gun on him. DURRRH!!!!!
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...that TOD has the most awesome and chill-inducing Indy moment ever when he confronts the Thuggee guard as Williams' theme swells in the background.
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Braffed is celebrating Passed Over.
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"Ream my lips."
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When Indy told the child slaves to wait quietly until AFTER he marched triumphantly into the village before they run to their families.
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Instead of shooting Indy in his sleep and having their way with Willie, the pilots jump out of a perfectly good plane to let it crash.
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with these films and Alien/Aliens and I think it comes down to inflexibility. In this case his ability to suspend disbelief is the fixed constant, and he is utterly unable to apply it to different criteria (hence the WTF moments in Temple bothering him, but not in Raiders)With regard to Alien/Aliens it is that he seems to believe that there is only one possible format/ genre for an Alien film, and when the sequel does not fit he has to mentally bash the square peg into the round hole. This leads to him finding paralells where none exist and coming to a completely risible conclusion. However, his inflexibility mean that he cannot look at a different approach to it, because it offends his belief system, so therefore he is stuck standing on a rapidly eroding platform and looking more and more obsessive by the minute.
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sort of as an intellectual exercise and have come to the conclusion that his deep rooted emotional disorder (an extreme case of cuntiness) is utterly insurmountable, and he should be locked in a padded room with no internet access, a ball gag and an aubergine jammed in his rectum. For the good of humanity.
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Did you just roll out of Jarv's bed? welcome back
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gross.
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the Atlantic Ocean. Is that all you've got, fuckspoon?
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stop being such a complete fuckspoon. I am sorry to say that I failed. You are now, and always will be a hopeless little cretin who is proving to be a waste of the time that his dad spent wanking on his fat crack whore mother's arse. Now fuck off.
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...to show some signs of TB-life. Is it just me, or has TB seemed a little dead lately?
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As noted via a discussion with one of your fellow Warciples, it appears that Braffed only posts to harass you guys. Which basically means, he's not long for this world.
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It'll hot up again when summer comes properly. Mind you the Sword and Sworcery TB was great.
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I was thinking the same thing just the other day. Lacklustre news, title-spamming and no heart. Gah...
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I know, and I should not feed the troll but he really annoys me
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that was horrible
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We did get a brief appearance from Ringy in an Iron man thread.And of course we've got the same old shit from Nodiggity, whom I must say I don't think I agree with any of his movie opinions. I wasn't a speed racer fan, but that movie looks awful to me.And then we have the attention seeking drippy little whore yet again trying to get a rise out of someone.
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Wow, there's another one with a case of the stubborns.
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Yeah, it does seem rather tepid/lackluster. Which is interesting when you consider the some of the monstrous movies that are supposed to be coming our way. Can't be a good sign buzz-wise. Although, it could also mean that folks are saving up their TB ammo for some huge salvos later on.
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his ridiculous shit.
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Oh yeah! How out of left field was that?!
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...looking forward to are the Hobbit ones. They will be awesome in the truest sense of the word, shaking the pillars of the Earth type shit.
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It's the calm before the storm, and we've also been over-exposed to a lot of the stuff coming out early: "Look Quint goes to ILM where Iron man was made and he's come back with 2 photo's of Yoda and one of the PR rep." For fuck's sake- Quint's holiday snaps. Could we get any less newsworthy?
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"5 Cocks Up!"
- Richard Roeper, Chicago Tribune
"A Turd De Force!"
- Vern, AICNews
"Assrapingly good! Braffed's father gives the most powerful performance of his career. A powerful film that shows the beauty of incest."
- Warren Jeffs, Utah Times
"Made me cum harder than Jeff Gannon."
- Karl Rove
"Disgusting. Makes me want to vomit."
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is going to have a bunch of men running around sweating in the jungle, using whips and beating each other. Jarv, this sounds right up your alley!!!
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since they've released so much shit on that.The Hulk had some interesting threads, the Pro Lee vs. Lee Bashers.The Dark Knight, well, what more needs to be said. I'm quite confident that will kick so much ass.And Indy seems to have this prevailing nervousness to it. People want to believe, but dare they be let down again?
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I'm waiting for the Conan ones.There's going to be some carnage.
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OR should that be "back alley"The 1989 San Fransisco 49'ers A dodge viper the third secret of fatima A jar of olives, empty but for one sad lonely pit His own head Gentle Ben
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I'd have mentioned those since the subject is very dear to my heart, but I'm still not convinced they'll ever see the light of day.
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Poison arrows will fall from the sky and the pillars of Heaven will shake!
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I'm already hyped up for Iron Man, and Indy's been beaten to death for months. We need to resurrect the Terminator TB.
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for mayhem.Ringy has a lot of anger just waiting to be unleashed. Some of it spilled over into the Iron Man thread because, well, because he had some extra just laying around.
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The Hobbit ones will be good. Especially if Jackson makes it. But really, the TB's have been the same subjects- Hulk, Indy, Iron Man, Terminator and there's just nothing new to say about them (I didn't give a fuck about Iron Man to begin with). To make matters worse, at the beginning of the year they went Cloverfield crazy, and people are just burnt out.
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As bad as the effects are, it still has a warm place in my heart.
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I agree - IRON MAN just needs to premier already. I love Robert Downey Jr., but I fear that a lot of the movie has already been "exposed" if you will.HULK I could really care less about. Not really my bag.THE DARK KNIGHT - this is my most anticipated film. I have high hopes here; I think it could be special.INDY 4 = nervousness abounds!
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Better than all 3 Prequels + ROTJ combined. DEATH BLOSSOM MUTHAFUCKAZ!!!!
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the breathtaking hypocrisy of Ringwearer9 needs documenting: "... what kind of miserable human beings are you that you can't enjoy a superhero film unless the superhero is CONSTANTLY being badass, super-competent, and a joyless fucktard? Probably because that's what you are yourselves. I spit on you." Wow, on so many levels.
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That's gonna be the best movie this summer. Here's the ranking:
Iron Man
Dark Knight
Hulk
Indy
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GOLD!
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"He grimly holds sacred the Holy Writ of comic book SERIOUSNESS." Not unlike a certain beloved tome? eh ringy?
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fuck me.
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Yup, I completely agree, though I still think Iron Man will be a blast.And sorry BSB, but TDK looks like something in another league. And Indy would be ranked my #2, if only in the hopes of it regaining some of that magic that only Indy can bring to the table.
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the reason I don't give a fuck about Iron Man is that it literally means nothing to me. I don't like Favreau's movies so far, and although I do like RDJ, I don't give a monkey's nut about Tony Stark. I'm not alone in this opinion, and as much as the character is hyped in Geek circles he really does not have that much cache outside of them. Especially not on our side of the pond.
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I'm looking forward to TDK and especially Heath's performance, but Iron Man tops my list because this is the character's debut, and it looks like the most awesome eye candy to me. Favreau shows utter competence and it's got an A-List cast. Just really echoes Superman The Movie to me.
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I can respect that. But I do think the movie will rock, and you'll agree after seeing it.
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I'm thinking you won't be disappointed. But for me, I love Batman Begins, and everything that I've seen and heard with TDK looks like it'll more than top the first one.
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Not for the movie itself but the inevitable flame wars. Love those!!
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for Iron Man, bar one I saw on Breakfast TV the other morning because I'm that indifferent to it- if it kicks arse then I'll be converted, but it has a long way to go. Also, I said this the other day, but I did a straw poll in the office about who had heard of the movie and got "Who", "They're making a film of Iron Man, why?", "couldn't care less", "I like Robert Downey Jr, but It's Iron Man so I probably won't bother" for the majority of answers. But I work with a group of cretinous ignorami that are actually excited about big brother starting again. So I'm not reading too much into that
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Understatement of the year. I'm tucking Ringy's post away for use at a future date.
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Even Braffed. The TBs are like an ecosystem. Bottom-feeders like Braffed and Gotham play a huge role too.
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I find it absolutely staggering that Ringy can rant like that about abuse of source in comic movies, but screams like a 12 year old entering seminary school if anyone suggests taking any liberty with tolkien. There's also a post from him somewhere in which he refers to himself in the third person and basically says that we got him wrong regarding LOTR and Kong.
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after the shitefest that was Batman Begins, but DK looks really good.
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really, you do come out with some bollocks.
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It's like everyone has caught a case of the misreables from AICN's resident Eeyore I am Moviemack. It's revisionism, BB was not perfect but it certainly wasn't a shitfest.
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... too much exposition. "Origin" superheor movies suck. Too much explaining going on, and the explaining just highlights how ridiculous superheros are. You don't try to justify a superhero, you just let him exist and enjoy his existence. DK should be better, now that the obligatory bullshit unnecessary groundwork has been laid. Unless we have to put up with long flashbacks to Joker's training in an Al Quaeda camp ...
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Wow, pillowtalk and Jarv the Gospel writer back on the same TB! Now where's Kloipy?
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you really think the new Hulk will be a better movie than Indy? Wow. I'm not saying you're wrong (I can't, since the movies aren't out yet), but that's an interesting rank-projection. I do hope Iron Man and Batman are good though. I hope they're ALL good. But I have no expectations for Hulk. Not that I didn't like the Lee version. I was one of them who did not outright hate it.
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you drippy little whore, how dare you insult Indiana Jones. That's like pissing on the American flag in front of a VFW hall and then smacking a couple of grandmas on the porch as they watch a 4th of July parade go by. If Lucas or Spielberg mess the movie up, sure, make jokes, but the character of Indiana Jones is unassailable.
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and you are very wrong about BB, diggers. However, I do agree with you that one of my favourite things about the Burton version is that Batman is just there.
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And needs a good bitchslapping.
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I know it's sorta fun to repsond, buyt engaging him only plays into what he wants.
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"...Capshaw doesn't scupper the whole film." Doc P's words, right here, sum up my feelings on ToD. It has it's enjoyable parts and it's groaner moments, but the sheer fact that Willie's antics don't completely fuck up the film proves it IS doing a number of things right.
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see you later
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nearly forgotDie in pain, braffed
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Subject: talkbacker "Fireproof"
Location: Greengrass TB
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Kloipy's internet access got jacked even worse than Jarv's. When they moved his office, he lost all capability to access it from work. I think he still pops up in the evenings (EST) and weekends. He's having a kid. though. I told him to name him "Burt".
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thx!
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I don't think it's a testament to the power of TOD that she doesn't scupper the film, it's a testament to the power of RAIDERS that in spite of her scuppering the film, she can't obliterate the effect of the previous film that lingers. I mean, what great stuff in TOD shines past her? Surely not those long fight scenes between Thugee slave drivers and the kids? Okay, let me search my memory for cool moments ... fast forward, fast forward, fast forward ... fast forward fast forward WILLIE WANTS INDY TO FUCK HER (lame trap room antics) fast forward,INDY STEALS THE STONE fast forward GUY GETS HEART STOLEN AND IS INCINERATED! fast forward, fast forward, fast forward, INDY ALMOST MURDERS SHORT ROUND fast forward, fast forward, fast forward, fast forward, fast forward ... oh. Credits? Oh well. That's not much, Doc.
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...so it is only the power of Raiders that prevents the nuclear fallout of Capshaw from destroying the entire legacy and goodwill of Indiana Jones?
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okay, here's where ToD shines past "Willie" for me: Opening scene in Shanghai - post- "Anything Goes" (which I enjoy), the scene and dialogue between Indy and Lao and sons works, DESPITE Willie's incessant comments. The exposition scene where the village elder tells Indy about the loss of their sacred stone and the disappearance of their children sets up the tone well for the rest of the film DESPITE Willie's stupid comments; Indy and Shorty's observation of the Thuggee ritual from the "observation deck (huh?) is creepy and shows you exactly what kind of sinister stuff is going on underneath the palace DESPITE Wiilie's screaming and stupid comments. Even the Deathtrp scene before that where Willie has to save Indy and ShortRound works okay for me, despite he screaming b/c here her "girly" personality actually is at odds with the heroism required by her in this scene. Yet, she briefly overcomes it to save Indy and ShortRound. The fight scene between Indy and the giant Thuggee guard prior to the mine car chase works just fine despite Willie's screaming and shadowboxing behind them. In fact, you can almost ignore Willie from the point at which Indy is brought out of the "dark sleep" by SHorty because she doesn't affect a single thing in the remainder of the story from there on. That in itself is NOT a testament to a strongly written character in ToD. BUT, it DOES provide evidence that the movie itself still works, even at the end, despite the inclusion of a character who was obviously there only as a "love interest" for Indy (and SS).
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I'm starting to think finky089 and I are the same person.
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are fucking lame. Get a life. It's pathetic to read about adults fighting over movies.
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Hey Orcus! Long time no see. The only novelized Indy film I've read is ToD because I have the old paperback version of it. I re-read it last year and really wasn't impressed with it either. I can't compare it to the other Indy novelizations, but compared to the novelizations I've read for the Star Wars movies (an old, original New Hope paperback copy and all three of the prequels), it really was subpar. it didn't even really expand upon much from the movie, not in any interesting way. But I've been thinking of picking up that new omnibus of the Indy novelizations because i want to read the other two films.
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check your right middle toe for a mole. If it's there, we might be the same. and even if it's not, we can still defend Indy together
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Finally, all of us (except Kloipy) are back on the same TB! Yeah, I know about his impending fatherhood from the private email he sent. Too bad about 'net access. What else are you supposed to do at work, in the name of all that is Gummer?
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This is a MOVIE site. We come here to argue about, or sing the praises of, MOVIES. If you don't like reading about MOVIES or TBs about MOVIES, go back to tongue-bathing your mother's anus!
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Couple flushes and some bleach in the bowl will take care of that drippy little whore of a toilet bug
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Back in the day, I had impure sexual thoughts about Kate Capshaw after "Temple" came out. Hey, I was 12. Come to think of it, none of my sexual thoughts are pure. Why would they be
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Has the craziest action climax with the fight scene in the mines, the mine cart chase and the bridge.The Last Crusade was better as a whole but the ending was weaksauce compared to ToD. Anyone who says the best Indy is anything other than Raiders had best be fucking joking. End of story.
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But it has one of the flat-out most bad ass moments in all of the Jones movies: in the night club in the beginning Lao Che's sun storms into the room with a tommy gun and Indy like a straight up pimp dives behind some cover just in time. I donno why but I always thought that part was maybe the coolest thing in the movie. That or 'Mola Ram! Prepare to meet Kali... IN HELL!'
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Where my money bitch? Oh, it in this golden box? Well, sheeeit, honey, why dincha.. OH MY FUCKIN GOD!!! THERES FUCKIN VENGEFUL GHOSTS UP IN THIS PIECE!!! OH LORDY!!! OH LORDY LORD!!! HEP ME!! HEP ME!!! I"M LOSING MY MIND!!! NOW I"M GUUUUGGGHLLLLLKUUURRGGHLLELEELLL... He done melted sho nuff ya dig word
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But I thought the bug room part was suitably yucky. LAST CRUSADE sucked ass too, but I liked it better than TEMPLE OF DIMINISHING RETURNS.
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just when you thought it was sufficiently flushed, that turd pops back up.
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I'm not all that nostalgic or starry-eyed about Indiana Jones. Sorry. But I find it very interesting that people who "love" Raiders of the Lost Ark generally seem unable to enjoy the other two movies. And I can't figure out why somebody who CLAIMS to like this character would be so intolerant of the other films. Is is like enoying the original 3 Star Wars flicks, but hating the new ones? As for those who only like Temple of Doom and decry Raiders and Last Crusade - what the fuck is wrong with you? I remember some great moments in Temple, but it is obviously an attempt to take the film and its main character in a different direction than the film to which it owed its existence - Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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They all have their flaws and issues, but I enjoy them all in different ways because they ARE Indiana Jones movies. I love the character, I love the music that accompanies him on his adventures around the world, and even though Raiders will always be my favorite, I still have soft spots for the other two. My hope is that KOTCS will occupy a similar place.
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Warciples-I miss you my friends!
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Just some thoughts. I am right with people on Raiders vs. TOD and LC, but if you've been reading me above, you know i'm psyched for KOTCS. Occurs to me the hated mine car chase from TOD was rumored to be in the original script for Raiders (on the Nazi island). And I want to say the gong scene was too, but don't quote me on that. Also, anyone ever noticed the similarities b/w TOD and Young Sherlock Holmes? The sinister age -old religion resurfacing in an underground lair. That's all I got. Out.
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"Its gone, Eli, its had, you lose, DRAAAAAAAAAAAAINAGE!!! DRAINAGE, Eli, you boy..."
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Bereft of either gun or whip, Indy stabs her repeatedly with his penis. It takes about half an hour, and a pizza guy joins in about halfway through. Except I'm not sure if she was dead at the end, or if I was watching Indy 4 at all. *SPOILER ENDS*
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This is definitely a WTF moment from Raiders. Indy hops aboard the sub, and then what? It never submerges? Even if it doesn't, he'd have a hell of a time hiding on deck. There'd be lookouts posted on the bridge, and probably other crewmen on deck. The next time we see Indy he's already in the Nazi sub pen, watching as (presumably) another sub pulls in. I don't think they had a clue about how to make this plausible.
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It is awesome!
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I think Temple of Doom is fun as hell. Oh well.
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all of us back on the same thread. Now to go and check out that retard. The one that isn't braffed.
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and then the Last Crusade licks and eats the shit from all over itself.
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Last Crusade or Temple. They are fucking Indiana Jones movies. They are by no means perfect, nor reach the level of Raiders. But that is a given. They are, however, fun fucking films.Now I've heard it all. First people bashing T2, now this.
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They are so much better than the vast majority of the dreck produced nowadays.
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What up you turd-diggin gangsta!
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you odious, obnoxious turdfondling little fartknocker. Jesus, have you nothing better to do than cyber-stalk us?
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and Jarv, you already know the answer to that.
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Just accept it. For me, Temple and Crusade are about the same, with Temple being darker in tone, but not necessarily weaker. Both of those sequels suffer from some bad FX. Like the bluescreen blimp and the matte FX for the water shooting out the cliffside in Doom. The trailer for crusade has some pretty crappy CGI footage during the race along the cliffside. Just because it's CGI doesn't mean it can't look like crap, and what I saw did. But I'm still hoping the movie is fun as hell, and I'll have to change my pants because I spooged them.
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Almost a year later, Spidey 3 is still messy and weak. Enjoyable at times, but messy and weak.
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what's sad is, I initially didn't see his post, and only scrolled up because that Drippy Whore Braffed said hello "Sloppy." Hope all is well in the land of restricted net access and impending daddyhood. Braffed, go choke on your mom's menses
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A century later, and Spidey 3 will still be 85% crap. Perhaps that's a bit harsh, but after the greatness of Spidey 2, the fall is a rapid one.And I totally agree with the bad CGI, but that doesn't take away from the overall enjoyment of the Indy films.
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A thousand pencils will dot out the sun with the coming of his jihad against work and open spaces!
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I'm just popping in and out because I'm busy schooling some dreadful right wing motherfucker in that other TB in what Genocide means. I'm horrified at what he thinks is acceptable.
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As disappointed as I was with TOD, to the point of hate, I get it. It's Indy, Willie was sexy, Short Round was cute. I get it all. You love Indy just as I do.
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despite the dated-looking FX shots and mattes in the sequels, I still very much enjoy them. The only matte shot I recall from the first movie is the final scene at the warehouse. Less than one month to go, I'm so hard
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