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A report from the Hulk panel at NYCC gives us a heads up on footage shown and a confirmation of a certain Marvel tie-in cameo!
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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I almost attended the New York Comic Con myself, like I did last year, but things just didn't come together quick enough. Thankfully we have some readers who were on the ground to fill us in on some of the goodies. If you've seen any of the panels and want to give us a heads up, feel free to email us at harry@aintitcool.com and we'll make sure it ends up on the site!
This report covers the Incredible Hulk panel, which includes a Q&A with actors and producers as well as footage shown, the new trailer and... a little something special at the end.
I posted this on a comic book site, but I thought you'd be interested!
Don't read further, if you don't want to know stuff! You have been warned!!!!
The preview of The Incredible Hulk was suppossed to start at 3PM in the IGN Theatre at the NYCCC. Unfortunately, a crowd of at least 1,000 of us were left cooling our heels until almost 4PM due to another movie studio running their presentation too long. Needless to say, many of us were not happy! The convention was over at 7PM, The Incredible Hulk presentation was suppossed to be done at 4PM, so it cut into a lot of shopping & other presentations that I wanted to attend. Thankfully, after we all got seated (filling the theatre to capacity!) we were in for a special time!
On stage were Tim Roth (Abomination), Louis Lettier (director), Kevin Feige (Marvel Studios), and Gale Anne Hurd(?) (producer). In a surprise move, they brought out Lou Ferrigno!
The Incredible Hulk 5-10 minute clip....
It opens with General "Thunderbolt" Ross (William Hurt) walking with Emil Blonsky (Tim Roth) in a hanger (?). They are discussing the process they are going to perform on Emil. Apparently, Marvel is setting up future movies (as you will read at the end of my tale!) and seem to be introducing the Super Soldier Formula. Of course, Captain America was created using the only known sample of the Super Soldier Serum along with the stabilizing effects of the Vita Rays in 1941. The plan was to turn ordinary soldiers into peaks of human perfection in the effort to thwart the Nazis. Unfortunately, a Nazi assassin/spy shoots & kills Professor Erkstine, the creator of the Super Soldier Serum. Erkstine had committed the formula to memory & had not written anything down, so that the secrets of the Super Soldier Program would not be discovered by the Axis powers. This resulted in the creation of Captain America, the only super soldier.
Ross explains to Blonsky that he must be informed of any side-effects. We then see the very painful process that Emil Blonsky endures. Now we cut to a college university(?) and Ed Norton as Dr. Robert Bruce Banner. Apparently, Banner has been discovered by Ross & his troops! The university has been invaded by the US military. Banner is seen running through an elevated glass/brick tunnel that connects two buildings at the university. Ross has his men aiming at Banner. They shoot tear gas canisters into the elevated passageway. As the gas begins to disperse from the canisters, Bruce spies another player down below---Betty Ross (Liv Tyler)!
The army seems to be manhandling her and restricting her access to Banner. She breaks free & screams for Bruce as she begins running across a green field towards the passageway where Banner is trapped. Soldiers pursue her. In one of my favorite scenes, acting like the Betty of the comics, she elbows one of the soldiers who drops to the ground bleeding from his mouth and nose. The other soldiers grapple and restrain her. Bruce looking down at the chaos is none too happy even as his escape route fills with the tear gas! You know what's coming next, right?
Banner bangs his hands against the glass and screams for them to let Betty go! As the gas engulfs him, his eyes turn green! He is now completely obscured in smoke. We cut to a slightly backwards, side view of Banner in the tunnel. Straight out of issue #1 of The Incredible Hulk, comes the transformation we've been anticipating! We are thrilled to see his boots splitting open, looking as if the late, great,co-father of Marvel Comics, Jack Kirby had drawn it himself! Now we see the fists smashing through the glass of the elevated passage. The Hulk breaks free and leaps upwards, finally landing on the field below to confront Ross and his troops. He bellows a mighty roar and then begins his counter offense!
The Hulk battles the military might of Ross' armored troops---guns, tanks, jeeps, etc...He tosses them about like a child on a rampage! Finally, Ross pulls back his men and tells Emil Blonsky that, "he's up." Emil, now apparently enhanced with the Super Soldier Serum, directly confronts the Hulk. He leaps around like Captain America, avoiding the Hulk's blows and landing some of his own! It seems as if Blonsky has tired out our monstorous hero! They now stand, sideways, facing one another. The 9'(should be 7' folks, but better than Ang Lee's 15') Incredible Hulk looks down at this "puny human" soldier not knowing what to make of him and angry that he couldn't get his paws on him. Emil looks up at him and says, "is that all you've got?" The Hulk responds by kicking him in the chest.
CUT!
The crowd goes nuts in applause!
We now move to a Q&A phase. About 10 of us line-up (including me!). Most of the questions are mundane & have little to do with the movie. One guy is roundly booed for praising the Ang Lee film and asking Leterrier how he is going to "honor" it in this new one? Kevin Feige states that Lee's film had some great parts, but what's different about this new film is that it kicks ass! Someone asks Gale Anne Hurd about the troubles with Norton. She agrees that he is very intense and that he is taking this film very, very seriously. That has caused disagreements about the length and cut. She says that Norton is totally committed to this movie and was just in the editing room with her days ago. Despite the disagreements, (Marvel wants a shorter, concise, fast paced action picture after the failure of Ang Lee's previous cerebral outing, while Ed Norton (who rewrote much of the script) and the director, Louis Leterrier, want a longer, more explanation filled movie) she says that Ed wants this film to succeed, that he really believes in it. One of the panel members suggests that we read this week's Entertainment Weekly in which Ed Norton's side is revealed and hopefully all this can be put to rest. Unfortunately, I never get to ask my questions....
1. As much as I love what I have seen, I am very disappointed by the "reimagining" of the Abomination's appearance. Perhaps, the general movie-going public is oblivious to the Abomination's existence, but to those of us, who have followed the Hulk's comic book adventures as children, the Abomination is our most beloved villain. I mean----why not include his trademarked ears?!?!?!?
2. I am happy with the inclusion of long-time Incredible Hulk supporting character, Dr. Leonard Samson. Will we see a gamma induced transformation come his way in The Incredible Hulk II ?
The reason that I didn't get my chance at the mike was because of the surprise appearance of Lou Ferrigno, who got a standing ovation! Lou was invited to sit on the panel. Director Leterrier states that he dislikes "cameo" walk-on appearances in films. He says Lou will actually have a role in the film and that some of it is quite funny! Hopefully, we will see a stare down between the two Hulks! Leterrier then talks about fans constantly asking if this Hulk will speak & he looks at Ferrigno. Lou says that he thinks it had always been a mistake not to have Hulk speak in the TV show. Leterrier asks him if he wants the job now?
***Now we don't know if Leterrier was joking or not. He did say that, "you guys really want to hear Hulk say "Hulk SMASH!", don't you?" This of course met with lots of applause! We'll see! I really hope that they realize that the Hulk is not mute in any way & allow him to speak in this film!**** At the conclusion of Leterrier's discussion with Ferrigno, they had Lou roar----"Hulk SMASH!!!" That really met with a round of applause!
Things that were gleaned from the panel....
- Leterrier had many, many images from The Incredible Hulk comic books through the years posted all around his office for inspiration. He said that while viewing the film the other day that he was quite happy that each and every image has made the cut into the film!
-Leterrier stated that not only was the comic book used as source material and inspiration, but also was the TV show. The whole panel went on glowing about Bill Bixby's work and how it truely set the tone for what is to come.
-Leterrier said that he was working with the composer on the score this past week and that it is very, very good....STAR WARS good!
The panel then announced that they would show us the previously unseen new trailer for The Incredible Hulk! They also said to wait about 15 seconds before leaving to see something that has been rumored for months (and leads me to believe the connection between future Marvel films that I have talked about earlier!)
The trailer opens. It includes footage from the teaser trailer, scenes from the little preview we had seen earlier, and more new Hulk scenes. The one scene that I loved was a shot of Betty and Hulk sitting together, perched on a cliff, perhaps talking? That comes directly out of this issue, drawn by Dale Keown and fulfills the director's pledge of including actual scenes from the comic!
As the trailer closes, the lights stay down and we are in for a very short tease...
On the screen, we see General Ross, sitting alone at a table in some rural bar. A well dressed man enters and walks over to Ross. It's Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark (Iron Man)! He says that he hears that Ross needs some help with "his problem." Ross says, "my problem? What about YOU'RE problem?"
The crowd goes nuts! The lights return. The panel is over and we are told that the new Hulk movie poster will be available at the Marvel booth.
The End!
Call Me... HoldyourfireAl
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cool!
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LOST Returns!
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TEAM JACK!
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That is what the Hulk movie is.
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i'm happy. the hulk looks good. i'm glad marvel has gone with the leaner more action cut, hopefully norton can be satisfied with a full length dvd special edition.
nice to see stark there as well, hopefully marvel is getting it's act together with an avengers movie in the not too distant future -
ha! sucker!
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This summer is gonna rock.
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That guy is a complete dick. Why would they give him a standing ovation. Wonder what he charged them to appear on their panel.
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I Like the idea of them setting up the super serum myth that's pretty important to a lot of marvel's stories. (even more in their ultimate marvel universe) Also getting to see a human go toe to toe with the hulk sounds awesome.
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but I fear it won't be much better either. Ah well, it'll whet my comic movie appetite until Dark Knight comes out.
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Apr 20, 2008 4:58:17 PM CDT
Im still holding hope the Jackson is in Iron Man, after all
by blindambition238
The listing on the British Film Board's screening info listed him on the short list of cast members.
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http://tinyurl.com/639srn This was actually posted earlier by someone else on another TB, so thanks to them. Also, to note, above the cast information list theres a clear "Spoiler Waring" which doesn't appear on the other certificates for the various films I just browsed.
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i'm still hoping that they are holding the nick fury scenes back for the theatrical cut... i mean they could have been showing the advance screenings without that scene, right?
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This is cool! :)
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Where are the organic web shooter fans? I need help here! I have loved the Abomination for decades & am so upset that he doesn't have his trademark ears!!!
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Apr 20, 2008 5:14:24 PM CDT
Incredbile Hulk is due out in June, Dark Knight is due out July.
by mike_d
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Hulk like hearing about this movie-FINALLY! Now puny Tin Man will will get opened up like a can of tuna fish courtesy of Hulk. Please feel free Marvel to use my Hulk lines in future movies. Hulk like kickbacks!
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this is the way to build up to an avengers movie...tie ins...the same way that marvel comics did it in the 60s....
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Well...I'm just...devestated!
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and do a Captain America movie damnit!
seriously? we need TWO hulk movies and TWO punisher movies, but no Captain America? With Iron Man finally coming out thats the only Marvel character left that deserves a movie. -
That said (and I'll defend it to my grave, so bring it on) - I don't see that Ang's Hulk would've lent himself very well to the Avengers. He wouldn't have been a good fit. Mainstream him up though, make him the 'hero' as seems to be the case here and bam, team player. That's the only reason I have hope for this film, because there's a chance it'll lend itself to a more complete feeling Avengers movie.
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From what I saw, you folks are in for a BIG treat! It looks like they did a GREAT job on The Incredible Hulk!
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I'm sure the meeting was exciting and all, but, um, it's time for perspective to gently settle in. It is always nice to read a review from a hardcore fan, though. :)
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Apr 20, 2008 5:32:56 PM CDT
Well theres Thor's movie needs to get off the ground too
by blindambition238
I'm not his biggest fan but he's a heavyhitter in the Marvel world, and an essential Avenger whose backstory is the hardest to shoe into an ensemble film.
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I dunno, just the fact that norton had such a hand in the story gives me hope for this one. Hey, anything's better than a 2 and a half hour HULK movie with only 15 minutes of the Hulk himself (yeah, I'm looking at you Ang Lee). I'll reserve judgment 'til I'm leaving the theater in June.
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I'm one of the biggest Hulk fans you will meet & my anticipation for Ang Lee's film was met with disappointment. There is good in it, such as the desert scenes, but overall...it wasn't the Hulk.
-He was 15' tall. That was ridiculous!
-He didn't speak!
-It took 45 minutes for him to appear!
-His dad is the Absorbing Man? Uh, no.
-The ending? What happenned?!?!?
I sat there thinking...this pacing is so wrong. I saw Terminator 3 a little bit later & thought...if they had filmed the action like the street scene in that movie, Hulk would have ROCKED! Unfortunately, it was too cerebral for it's own good. -
Elisabeth Shue is HOT!
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I'm just repeating what they said. We'll all see, I guess?
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maybe thor can be like a villain in an avengers movie, in a namorlike way where his asgardian origins can also be questioned just like in the ultimates 2 (the comic book one, not the lame cartoon). therefore his origin can be integrated into the movie and also be pivotal to the plot.
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Awesome,... just make sure to get your uncle to write and direct it. And no skimping on the pies.
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Maybe Ross get traumtized and starts talking like Hulk by the end of the film
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It's fun to think about, but if they're gonna do it this way, there's still a lot of groundwork yet to be laid. Like Captain America and Thor movies for one. Plus I imagine they want to do a couple installments for each before jumping into the team-up. It'll be very cool if it works, but it's a loooooonnggggg way off.
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Why do they change classic characters from the look that made them beloved? I just got done watching an interview with the director on Newsarama. He can't justify the reptilian, Creature From the Black Lagoon on steroids look. Why?!?!?!? It's a COMIC BOOK! As much as I think I will love this movie, I blame Marvel for allowing the change in the Abomination's appearance!
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Chris Evans said they aren't making any more and instead are going to spin off Silver Surfer. If Marvel can go the distance as a studio, a reboot of that series down the road would be awesome.
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norton is crap & the us military invading a university is a shit fucking plot.also liv tyler sucks.
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his hulk sucked. deal witrh it
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Is absolutely fucking stunning. I mean - my God in heaven, what could ANYONE not love about that film? A fucking masterpiece, is what it is. And the score is astounding. It baffles me, the hate for that film. Daredevil, although I enjoy it, I can still see why folks consider it uneven or lacking or... But Hulk... that's somethin' else entirely. That is a genuinely exciting film, by which I mean every frame has me buzzin' with awe. Perfect. Crap CGI dogs, but that is SO beside the point. mondoirlando.com
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I love how geeks like to pretend they are superior to mainstream audiences, yet they are every bit as dumb (if not dumber when it comes to fanfare).
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The comics were always the most interesting when they play with this aspect.
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..signing on for one or even two more Hulk sequals. "IF" this movie is good, and we want to see another one, it is just hard for me to beleive that EN would pigeon hole himself as BB.
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Yo, there is NOTHING redeamable about Ang Lee's Hulk. NOTHING. It was waaaay too serious and waaaay over it's own head. For a movie like Hulk to try so hard to have depth it was shallow. I had absolutely no connection with Bruce or any of the characters (which were also poorly developed). Especially Bruce's father and that horrible atomic dust cloud he turned into. Really dude....what the fuck was that?! Ofcourse the very fact that you mentioned that you enjoyed Daredevil speaks volumes to liking of the "masterpiece" you call Hulk.
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I'd like this movie to be as good as this sounds, but I doubt it is. Just a hunch.
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Fuck Yes!!! ahahah Love It
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I mean, its was such a fucking awesome movie! It totally transcended the comic book movie genre! I almost don't want to see this new one, because Ang Lee's was near perfect.
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and wasn't even close to the comic Hulk. Hulk dogs was the best he could come up with? and the cheesy comic panel shit he did? really?!?
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it was BOOOOOOOORING. Hulk was in the movie, what, 20 minutes?
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The comic panels in Ang Lee's HULK is a dividing topic. I happen to adore the comic panels and thought they were a stroke of genius. It's cool that others don't agree. It's fine either way. To the poster way earlier about Ang Lee sucking as a director, you sir are frickin wrong. Don't like Hulk?, that's fine. But Lee is highly skilled in directing. Moving on to the now...
This new film, while I naturally hope it does very well, has some baggage; that is, many are prepared to dislike it from the start due to poor marketing and excuses. If the movie truly delivers, much of the baggage will be forgotten and forgiven. But let's face it, of all the "blockbuster high-anticipation flicks" of summer, 2008, Hulk is the underdog. I will be there opening day with my ticket though. -
that ALWAYS matching hero type for villain type is BORING. Big Hulk, Big Abomination. Adamantium Wolvie, Adamantium Sabretooth, Iron-clad Hero, Iron-clad evilguy. COMEON! At least Supes had to fight little magic elves (MXLPLX). It's so boring, and a copout. At least in Ang's for a few frames he fought Absorbing Man, which would have been a great concept had it been his main nemesis throughout. Am I alone here? Hello?
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...except for the atrocious FF movies. For that cast to show up in another film would be like the cast of Friends popping in on CSI or Masterpiece Theatre.But Spidey, X-Men, Hulk, Iron Man, even Daredevil (!) were made with high enough standards that they'd be compatible in aesthetics and tone.While all-out team-up movies are probably just fantasies, side roles or bit parts would be neat. Imagine Spidey swinging in to the middle of a Hulk battle in NYC, unannounced!
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I sure hope they meant from the original trilogy. Aside from Duel of the Fates, the prequel trilogy scores didn't do much for me.
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Because this version looks NOTHING like it! More like the late 90's Hulk! Exclamation points in honor of Al!
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Adventures in Babysitting in the above posts gets their man card revoked. Hand it over.
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This last issue with Indy on the cover... It was all, "By the numbers" and the last one simply said: "1: number of cameos by Dr. Robert Stark, Iron Man yadda yadda yadda."
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Thor's a homo.
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and that costume! lame
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how the Hulk joined the Avengers in the 60's or whatever? Did it have anything to do with Tony Stark meeting with General Ross?
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It took me a minute to realize it, but your man card is now revoked too. Sorry.
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http://tinyurl.com/3mm9tb
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Made him attack a train. Thor, Iron Man, Ant Man and Wasp all respond. End up teaming up. Blah blah blah. Then Hulk leaves like a day later because he realizes that Thor is hella gay.
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Who died and made you man card hall monitor?
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even my dog know it.
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slow day on the AICN Talkbacks. At least the Hulk isn't getting as much hate as GI Joe or The Spirit.
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As much as I love filmscore, no one can ever match Williams except Williams. So I can't believe that claim.
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So what does that mean exactly? Does Ross know Tony Stark is Iron Man or what?
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Apparently Marvel wants to take out all the character development scenes and just go for the quick action movie. That's sad.
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I saw Fantastic Four 2 yesterday,what a waste.The Effects were good but The Human Torch wasn't as funny this time and Silver Surfer did all of the hard work at the end,I gave the cloud concept a chance but for me Galactus should of been an update of V'ger with Silver Surfer flying a great journey within a big spaceship to find http://tinyurl.com/3d5dnj,that would of helped to bring it up above 85 odd minutes..I also saw Black Sheep,that was quite good fun and had more or less the same running time.Daredevil has at some points been my favourite character in comics.I saw the film when it came out and thought it could of been better,however over the years I've read that the directors cut was a lot better and as it has never showed up on TV I wanted to give it another chance so earlier this year I got it for 99p.For me it still wasn't very good.I wasn't expecting the never before seen character to be Coolio as a defendant.I deemed it unworthy to belong in the collection and I threw it away and used the sleeve to replace my copy of King of New York which had sticker marks on it.I'd like to see somebody try again please.Although I enjoyed the first Hulk film,I am ready for a good punch up to start off with and then take it from there.Crossovers should be a pre-credit standard in Marvel/DC films.It's the right thing to do.
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Ang Lee has a cameo.
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I was there and the crowd slowly booed him and he started laughing saying "okay..okay almost Star Wars good". Also Louis said that the Gray Hulk is in the movie! I was like "oh shit!"
and when Ross said "my problem..what about you're problem?" Stark looked pissed and then said something like "your problems BIGGER so you'd better listen!" then the screen went black and everyone started cheering and clapping and the lights went on -
no one will ever be a better Ross than Elliot.
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this report could be some crafty plant's elaborate damage control to cover last week's bad press. trust no one. Ang lee rules
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That makes sense if they are in a bar..Good call.
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ULTIMATES by 2010. Gotcher Tony Stark and yer Bruce Banner actors. Matt Damon to play Captain America. Who to play Thor? Giant Man / Ant Man? Wasp?
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I just don't think Damon could pull it off.
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I don't know why they didn't do it, but they could have gotten Reed Richards to make a quick walk-on during the Sandman origin scene in Spidey 3... he could have been working in the lab. How hard would that have been? It certainly wouldn't have cost anything - what's that guy's fee? $40?
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I for one think the Abomination looks like shit in this movie and for all who agree and would like to see an awesome photoshop job of what he'd look like with ears and green, then check out this blog entry over here...
http://tinyurl.com/4dfv5s
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It is not at all fraudlent to say that the Hulk presentation went over well. But it IS slightly dishonest to omit the mitigating detail that most of the people in attendance had to be blind and/or retarded. The CG Hulk is (once again) as laughable as can be, despite the panelists' desperate claims that the FX are "not finished." (Gee, when and where did we hear that one before?) You could almost see the flop sweat rolling off Feige et al.; they know this thing is a cheap piece of shit that's destined to tank, which is why they're pumping the Iron Man connections at every turn. They seemed understandably relieved that an audience of basement dwellers with nonexistent standards would so eagerly swallow any codwsallop they chose to dish out, based solely on a pathetic yen to believe and a hankering to see the Hulk (any Hulk, even one that would be right at home on a handheld video game) "in action." The declarations that Norton is or will be back on board are ludicrous; nobody thought to ask why, then, he wasn't on the PANEL. It was just a big, craven love-fest that was in no way reflective of the merits of what we were being shown or told. My favorite was the guy who declared on-mike that he couldn't wait to see the movie ... "and play the video game." Whereupon I was heard to mutter, "Dude, you just SAW the video game."
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I meant "fraudulent," natch.
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And "codswallop."
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...so the two are mutually exclusive due to licensing rights. However, Marvel Entertainment is now managing the Marvel films, so we can probably expect to see more movie cross-overs and tie-ins in the future a la AVP, especially once they dispense with the initial origin movies of the major Marvel characters and they have nowhere else to go story-wise.
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Word is that a new DK trailer played at NYCC that got a standing ovation
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whoops and whoops II? That's what you get for trying to be so SUPER articulate. You dick.
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No way. THAT is TOO COOL. I hope it sticks.
This could be the beginning of beautiful franchise. Super Serum, Tony Stark and a possible Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury cameo? My geek heart is leaping.
Make mine Marvel!
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I actually am quite articulate. I am also an atrocious typist. But at least I try to correct my mistakes after I spot them. What's you mom's excuse?
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I think the Harry Potter theme is arguably as iconic as Star Wars. Of course it's also a John Williams composition. Danny Elfman's Batman theme was pretty close too, so there is hope. I think regardless of how good the music is, you need the movie itself to be astronomical to even consider if the score deserves that sort of consideration though. And chances are Incredible Hulk will not be in that league.
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Case in point.
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and I bet your mom had nothing to do with it. It's just the way you are.
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Posting on AICN is every bit the passport to fun and warmth that I always dreamed it would be. Conan: Have you figured out yet why people are always hitting you?
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Personal BS aside, I don't see how anyone is going to create a plausible looking Hulk. The human brain is just too well attuned to looking at and judging other humans, and that makes it very easy to pick up subtle flaws that might be overlooked in a CGI dog. Add in he grossly exaggerated proportions and jade green skin (note that there are NO jade green mammals - let alone primates - for the brain to latch onto familiarity), and I think it next to impossible for current gen technology to create a truly "believable" Hulk.
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I'm a sucker for stuff like that.
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Interesting points, but I still think a believable (if not "realistic") Hulk could certainly be done, either via some combination of live action and computer enhancement, or an overall approach to art direction that made the flaws harder to spot. Gollum in the LOTR movies worked so well because those films were shot in a way that emphasized fantasy to begin with; the mistake BOTH Hulk flicks seem to have made is to go for a naturalistic environment that only makes their "star" seem totally fake in comparison. The fight scene that was shown at Comic Con is particularly egregious, rendered in broad daylight that exposes every little mechanical nuance (of which there were many). Go back and re-watch the Goblin's Times Square attack from Spider-Man 1; that's the level of ineptitude we're talking about.
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Oh, and I also thought Aslan in Narnia 1 was pretty darn impressive ... and I'd submit it's probably harder to make a talking lion look good than a humanoid creature that is merely a different size and color than the rest of us. I swear that Ferrigno in modern-quality makeup would have been better than what they've gone with in both the Hulk flicks.
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I was supposed to be there but couldn't make it this weekend. Thanks for the great write up! I am actually quite souped for this film now. This summer is going to ROCK!
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If I had something against Hulk, why would I bother being disappointed that he's TWICE now been cheated out of appearing in a decent feature film? (And after this one, believe me, he'll be a dead issue cinematically for YEARS -- he may even get written out of Avengers.) I'd warrant I was reading an loving Hulk comics long before you were alive to post homophobic barbs in cyberspace.
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Mark my words.
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Apr 21, 2008 12:25:15 AM CDT
Wildly Popular 'Iron Man' Trailer To Be Adapted Into Full-Length
by droogie alex
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/wildly_popular_iron_man_trailer
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Gomer freaking Pyle played Thor back in the day. I'll be damned if he didn't look the part, too.
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Apr 21, 2008 12:43:48 AM CDT
General Ross, sitting alone at a table in some rural bar.
by darthbakpao
A well dressed man enters and walks over to Ross. ROSS : "My God, Harvey! I thought you're dead!". HARVEY DENT : "Half..."
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For those who don't know I'll explain why there's no further crosses of the Marvel U -
The movie rights to Spider-Man, & Ghost Rider are owned by Sony Pictures. Daredevil, X-Men, & the Fantastic Four are owned by Fox; Blade was owned by the now defunct New Line Cinema. Marvel was able to get the rights for Hulk back from Universal, if I'm not mistaken. To be allowed to use a reference to Spidey, Sony would charge millions more, and Tobey Maguire would want a cut, too. You cannot expect any character who was in any of those movies to suddenly appear in this new marvel u. -
I do not think this upcoming Hulk looks like Kirby at all. I am saying that the transformation scene in the elevated, enclosed connector walk-way is pure Jack Kirby, Incredible Hulk issue #1. As far as 90s Hulk? Screw that! I HATE the bowl hair cut, overexaggerated muscled out Hulk of the 90s! Give me Sal Buscema's Hulk any day! Personally I think the face on this Hulk is very akin to John Byrne & Bob Layton's work from that Hulk annual from the 70s. I'm just glad that he has longish hair in this movie!
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Nick Fury isn't in Iron Man, I think the cameo was either removed or cancelled. SHIELD is there though.
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Apr 21, 2008 1:11:52 AM CDT
Reworked Abomination with ears & green looks MUCH better!
by holdyourfireal
I for one think the Abomination looks like shit in this movie and for all who agree and would like to see an awesome photoshop job of what he'd look like with ears and green, then check out this blog entry over here... http://tinyurl.com/4dfv5s
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"Well-received ... but still awful
by BruceVain Apr 20th, 2008
10:17:50 PM
It is not at all fraudlent to say that the Hulk presentation went over well. But it IS slightly dishonest to omit the mitigating detail that most of the people in attendance had to be blind and/or retarded. The CG Hulk is (once again) as laughable as can be, despite the panelists' desperate claims that the FX are "not finished." (Gee, when and where did we hear that one before?) You could almost see the flop sweat rolling off Feige et al.; they know this thing is a cheap piece of shit that's destined to tank, which is why they're pumping the Iron Man connections at every turn. They seemed understandably relieved that an audience of basement dwellers with nonexistent standards would so eagerly swallow any codwsallop they chose to dish out, based solely on a pathetic yen to believe and a hankering to see the Hulk (any Hulk, even one that would be right at home on a handheld video game) "in action." The declarations that Norton is or will be back on board are ludicrous; nobody thought to ask why, then, he wasn't on the PANEL. It was just a big, craven love-fest that was in no way reflective of the merits of what we were being shown or told. My favorite was the guy who declared on-mike that he couldn't wait to see the movie ... "and play the video game." Whereupon I was heard to mutter, "Dude, you just SAW the video game." "
So...you waited in line for an hour or longer with the rest of us, sat through the panel, with an ever seat taken audience & are bitching & calling us names?
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Nick is a white guy. It was an OK twist in the Ultimate universe that he was black & looked just like Sam Jackson, but that is not THE Nick Fury. It's like making the Falcon or Black Panther white! It just reeks of political correctness & is stoopid. Thank God his scene was cut. I think this Skrull Invasion & Nick Fury's big part in it are major factors for Marvel deciding that they want the movie going audience to see an interpretation of Fury as he's been seen in the comics for at least 4 decades!
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Queefer: Thanks, but as a professional humor columnist, I think I know what the stuff looks like. But thanks for the "help." And believe me, had YOU seen the footage in question, you would understand that there is NO WAY this movie is going to be even watchable come opening day. You cannot polish a turd of that magnitude.
And HoldYourFire: Your comments make no sense whatsoever. What do the length of the line, how long I waited in it, or how many seats were filled have to do with the quality of the presentation ... or the behavior of the audience? I waited in line because I was interested in seeing the panel and honestly hoping the movie would be good (just like I was for the Ang Lee version). If you take my honest assessments as a slam against some group you happen to identify with, too bad. But that room was either filled with syncophants who thought that kissing some corporate ass was a ticket to their 15 minutes, or with basement-bred mushroom men who cannot tell the difference between reality and a video game because they have seen far more of the latter than the former.
I love comics and comics-based movies, but GOD, I do not know how a remotely intelligent person can go to a con and not want to murder at least half the idiots who flock to the things. Did you stick around for that Spirit panel -- the one that degenerated into near-chaos when all the Q&A participants wanted to do was get their copy of Year One autographed or hit up Eva Mendes for her digits? (I am not exaggerating this.) Oh yeah, and THESE are the people whose judgment I'm supposed to respect. -
but I still wish this was a true sequel to Ang Lee's underrated version. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
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I "get" your sentiment. Yeah...there were a lot of tools that clap at any & everything. I was not one of those. I genuinely love The Incredible Hulk comic book. I was disappointed by the Ang Lee film. I LOVE what I see in this film so far, EXCEPT the Abomination, who looks like shit. Also, I was very turned off by the folks who got a chance at the mike. They seemed to care very little about Hulk history. You've read my questions that I wished to ask. I certainly don't think my Abomination question would have made the director happy, but as a Hulk fan I want to discuss it & tell the guy that a lot of us want it fixed. Unfortunately, he didn't get to hear those concerns as other folks had to discuss Transporter & the over & done Ang Lee Hulk film. Just realize that your comments about the rest of us in that room are very harsh. Some of us were very pleased with the footage (except for the Abomination!).
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how old are you guys really? i always think pairing up superheroes is stupid in the extreme. it's too childish and should belong only in cartoons and comics. but fear not, judging by the responses here i'm the only who think so apparently.
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i agree with the poster above that says nothing is lamer than having the nemesis to be a look-alike of the hero. spidey has venom, wolvie has sabretooth, hulk abomination, ironman has iron-whatever.
you define the hero's greatness with his rogue gallery. that's why batman is the best around. joker and two-face vs the dark knight? nothing, and i mean n-o-t-h-i-n-g can beat that! -
Yeah, that's fair. I see your point. I go harsh on comics fans because I'm one of them and I want us to have good movies. And to get them, we have to hold their makers to exacting standards. I agree that the Abomination's new look is unnecessary and inferior to the comics version. If you like the look of the rest of it, great; but I'll bet good money that, come opening weekend, the movie will be dead in the water and the talkbacks will be filled with complaints that the effects are below amateur level. And the folks who had earlier professed to be "very pleased" will be as silent as church mice. Maybe I should start taking names now.
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there's some chatter in the beginning, but the final lines are...
stark: i hear you have an unusual problem.
ross: you should talk.
stark: you should listen. -
I'm so pumped for this movie, so I hope you're wrong. After it comes out, let's talk! :)
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Just a reminder...please fix before the movie comes out!
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Apr 21, 2008 2:34:23 AM CDT
in japan, nobody requests of ghost in the shell vs appleseed
by cloudrider`
but here, apparently every movie 'icon' has to meet every other similar 'icon', and before you know it new york is home to gazzilions of the spandex clad type, and by movie 'avengers vs x-men vs ff 5: the idiot's dream', every second of the film has dozens colorful spandex littering the frame, and there'll be no room for a script worth a damn.
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This is according to Marvel themselves, so 9' is not that much more than the 616 comic variant.
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It's YOUR not YOU'RE dumbass.
I'm much more excited for Hulk now though. Tim Roth super soldier sounds cool. Abominatio needs ears though, damnit. Just to make him look cooler. -
As Grey Hulk he was only 6' 6" and as "professor" Hulk (Hulk with Banner's brain) he was 7' 6" tall. One can then presume that if he were more savage and angry than standard "savage Hulk" he could be taller, too.
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So Spider-Man is off-limits? Use the Scarlet Spider or Spider-Woman. You say the FF aren't available? Then give us Alpha Flight. No X-Men? No problem! We can always get by with X-Factor or X-Force or any of the dozen other X-groups.
No Daredevil? Again, not a problem- Give us Moon Knight. No Blade? Like it matters! When was Blade ever associated with the Avengers, anyway?
Look-- Marvel seems to have the rights to most of the Avengers. Hulk, Iron Man, Vision, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Hercules, Thor, Hawkeye, Wasp, Hank Pym, Captain America. . . So we won't see The Beast in the Avengers? WHO CARES? So we won't see the FF interact with them? It's not like the FF and Avengers teamed up much, anyway.
There are tons of Marvel characters left to cross over with the Avengers. Yeah, this will be an Avengers group in a world without Spider-Man, the X-Men, Daredevil, Blade, or the Fantastic Four, but their roles can be filled by other similar characters. -
A few weeks ago, on my side of the planet the AngLee Hulk was on. On a third class Cable channel or something. Yeah and you know what ? This is a decent nice lil superhero movie with a very cool vibe. Yes it had poodles..so what ? Superman Returns had fucking kumar kicking superman and you guys came in youre pants. Its a shame how people react to angLees flick in public. I say it again..nice lil superhero movie. So go and fucking watch youre will ferrel movies.
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is for people into filmmaking more than comic books. Anybody who thinks the director of The Transporter is going to make a better film than the director of The Ice Storm is deluded.
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what it's like to be working on shit like Hulk when she used to produce classics like The Terminator, Aliens and The Abyss? What a comedown.
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what role does Stan Lee have in this film? I reckon he will pull some hot student out the way of some falling debris.
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However i do like the concept of Emil becoming the Abomination via Super Soldier serum.You are right Holdyourfireal,This Hulk does look like a Byrne and especially Layton rendition. (good call) I think it's from that Hulk annual in which he teams up with Iceman and Angel.Best part thus far is the Stark/Downey cameo.Talk about fan service.And Holdyourfire,as for your dismay of Fury being Black, it's not that big a deal.Although he's based on the Ultimates version (and of course Sam J.who himself was always a fan of the Avengers.)it would make sense to further market this Movie via Sam's casting.It's not a Black and White issue, just creative differences tis all.And where the fuck is the other "Sam"(Elliot)in this remake/sequel/rehash?We was great as Thunderbolt Ross.As for Lee's Hulk sure it was a bit esoteric but for the most part, it followed the source material. I was'nt crazy about the Asorbing Dad,the Comic panel scenes or Hulk being a mute but it was entertaining nonetheless and far outweighs the lame duck TV series in which Lou Ferigno's Hulk can be killed by bullets,can't leap over tall buildings in a single bound and cries like a bitch whenever some Woman dies.Not to mention most of his antagonists were mere mortals.Even Norton's vision will surpass the Tv series.Gawd!
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Then again, knowing Hollywood, they'd have read the first two chapters and completely fucked up the story arch. I guess it's better a comic, like Kingdom Come, then a film adaptation.
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Nah, I'd rather see that paul Walker guy as Steve Rodgers than "matty boy" who can always play Hawkeye should there be an Avengers Movie.
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Or else.
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And this effort looks like shit.
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Because there's no right Hulk. Hulk is shit.
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Apr 21, 2008 6:23:36 AM CDT
I'll watch this, will probably enjoy parts but
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
kwisatzhaderach is correct. Anyone who thinks this will be a better and longer lasting film than Lee's is deluded.
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Kinda true statement, kwiz. As someone into the filmmaking process and also a former comic book reader, that makes sense to me. Ang Lee used so much film technique in Hulk that it seems to have ultimately driven many people who just wanted a simple movie away. But for people who appreciate what he was doing, well, here we are. For instance, I skipped over the idea that the multi-panels in Hulk were simply emulating a comic book page, but instead, saw them as Ang representing alternate points of view on a thing, alternate selves, like a past life or an inner-Hulk, something that perhaps only a casual moviegoer/film layman or student of film could appreciate, but not necessarily folks in-between, like say, a hardcore Hulk comics reader or a dog lover.
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seriously.
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With the webbed thingies on the heads. Maybe it's best that a film Abomination lacks the fish fins for ears thing. Purist Hulk comic readers may revolt, but they might look weird to a casual movie person. I mean, comic book aside, when I think of the word "Abomination" anthromorphized, I'm thinking of demon spawn from Hell, not a 60's rip-off of the Creature from the Black Lagoon. Of course, as a former Hulk comics reader, I also think keeping the ears might've been cool, maybe little stubby fin ears, like Nemo? Just playing Devil's Advocate, is all...
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Thanks. Also, it's Chishu_Ryu, not Chrishu_Ryu...
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better comic book film than most of its contemporaries, and although I a will watch this one, and even hope it will top the Ang Lee version, I seriously doubt it.
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What the world wants most at this point (and, dare I say it, NEEDS) is Transporter 3. This Hulk business is fine for a few laughs, but we all want to know what hilarious and ridiculous fighting and driving antics Frank Martin is up to.Ah, shit, I just looked up Transporter 3 on IMDB and it turns out Leterrier is not directing. That's a damn shame. Mind you, the guy taking over is named Olivier Megaton, and I am prepared to give anyone named MEGATON a chance.
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but I still think Bana and Connolly were the best choices for Bruce and Betty. Nothing wrong with them at all.
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I never read anyone's opinions of Ang's Hulk until recently, simply because I assumed everyone else would find it as laughable as I did! Cerebral? The only way it made me think was "How the hell did this piece of shite get released?" It was AWFUL! Bad CGI (Hulk running along the canyon had me in knots!) ham acting ("You're off the project!") by just about everyone but Bana, and the 'comic book panel' style helped make this the biggest turkey I'd seen in a while. As for the new Hulk, I have hope it will be better, but the CGI once again looks 'iffy'. Why can't they just use a real life muscle-bound dude and just make him taller ala Brendan Fraser's basketball player in "Bedazzled"? Current CGI just isn't good enough to make a convincing humanoid (the Silver Surfer is pretty good but only because he's so shiny and lacking in expression). I agree Nick Fury should be white. I love Sam L. but there should be no blending of the regular Marvel universe & the Ultimates universe (which sucks balls anyway). Tony Stark being in it sounds good though, I look forward to that. I also reckon that for now Marvel will try to keep Captain America away from the big screen simply because of what he represents and the current climate of hostility towards America might not make for big returns. Get a demmycrat in the Whitehouse, get out of the Middle East & then maybe it'll get a green light. I hope it doesn't though because Cap is an okay-but-pretty-lame comic character and would probably stink up the joint if on screen (Look at the last time they tried - UGH!) He's like a stronger but much lamer Batman, what with the no real super-powers. Super-strength and agility you say? Wow! The super-secret-super-soldier serum is actually PCP??? He's naff, and the only thing that would make him naffier(?) would be Matt Damon. As has already been said, save Damon for Hawkeye or some other wise-cracking asswipe...
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Look's pretty ok to me..http://www.empireonline.com/images/cover/large/10.jpg
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put the bong down.
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Apr 21, 2008 9:51:15 AM CDT
FWIW, I'll take "Don't make me Ang Lee" over FF series
by ultron ver 2.0
I loved FF as a kid, but those 2 movies were dreadful (except for Alba in her panties....that part was VERY NIIIICE)
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interesting but it was a bad, boring movie. The abusive-father back-story had nothing to do with the comic. The CGI were laughably bad, the script was stilted, the pacing was waaaay off. To describe it as "a filmmaker's movie" is just missing the point-- it's not a good movie.
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You've already made more intelligent contributions than about 95% of the folks who post here. I rather enjoyed your "Whoops" sequence. How many people here even use the word "codswallop", let alone correct it?Oh, and to whoever's reading this: you, of course, are part of that 5%. Aren't all those other, dumb people annoying?
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No matter how good the technology gets, it will never, ever look real. All that years of CG development have resulted in is incredibly detailed, well-lit, very articulate human figures that still look completely fake. I even have trouble watching Gollum anymore--the sheen has worn off and now it's distracting.Sure, no technology we have now will completely convince us that a person on screen is 8' tall and throwing tanks around. Our real-world brains will always rebel to some extent. But at least we'd believe that it's an actual *person*, and not just a pile of pixels. One thing LOTR did nail was the relative-size trickery. If they can make Gandalf tower over Frodo, they can make a human Hulk tower over regular people.I think it comes down to a question of artistry for me. I don't really care about the ingenuity of some room full of computer nerds hunched over workstations, clicking mouses and tablets. Give me the ingenuity of genius cameramen (& women), cinematographers, makeup artists, lighting professionals, model-makers, and practical-effects wizards. Give me a room full of brilliant specialists in the art of light and vision, and let them problem-solve. *Those* people are artists.At this point, nothing you can do with a computer-simulated human is really going to impress me.
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They do play an important role and have contributed a lot of amazing stuff. I guess I'm more annoyed at Hollywood's overuse of it as an all-purpose band-aid to cover mediocre product, which hamstrings ambition. It has a place, but it's not the solution to everything. Overused, it will be what makes the films of today look dated tomorrow.
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Apr 21, 2008 11:01:43 AM CDT
Kevred, so you basically want Lou Ferrigno in green make up?
by reel american hero
Or, by today's standards someone like WWE's The Big Show or Great Khali all done up in green? Yes, we can make people appear taller with camera tricks these days, but the Hulk is not just a tall guy, the guy's this massive hulk, for lack of a better word. No special effect other than cgi would ever be able to do that properly. It worked (rather well) for The Thing in the FF movies but the Hulk is a different story. CGI's the only way to go. -
Maybe now we're one step closer to showing Spider Man fight more than just regular criminals in between Spider flicks now. One can only hope. -
so it didn't meet expectations, that doesn't mean it was horrible. they had as much Hulk as you could on that budget with that technology. the new Hulk looks incredibly more detailed and better (more like the TV Hulk). 15' tall hulk is bad? anyone read the comics? like ever? spiderman would fit around one hulk arm.
absorbing man as the dad is bad? how about bastardizing the hulk storyline with the captain america storyline and turning it into some super soldier serum thing. and wtf @ abomination acting like CAPTAIN AMERICA for a little while. why isn't anyone complaining about that? just because marvel made it up themselves and then it actually sold copies, everyone's okay with the idea of re-imagining certain things as long as the soul is kept intact, amirite? that's what ang lee did with the hulk. banner was spot-on, betty was spot-on, thunderbolt ross was spot-on. hulk going crazy on the army and being a bit quiet was also spot-on (even though he technically did talk once). if the Hulk storyline needed any re-imagining it was on the character development side, to load Bruce Banner with as much angst (that develops his character) as possible (especially these days where having some guy kill his wife in front of his kid doesn't even make the news anymore). and i vaguely recall that the pre-release sentiment was that if the movie did well, an Ang Lee/Bana sequel would feature the abomination and not waste time on the development because it had already been done... basically the sequel would've been THIS movie. so we got it either way, but with a better looking Hulk, and perhaps a better Banner (Ed Norton empassioned about playing the Hulk is better than a mere good actor just doing his job like Bana). the original movie was NOT that bad. -
How many times do I have to explain this to you guys? The movies are a different Marvel Earth-- Or SEVERAL different Marvel Earths, if you consider Blade, Spider-Man, and X-Men to be in their own individual universes.
The Ultimate Nick Fury has just as much right to be spread around the multiverse as the white one. Personally, I think the Sam Jackson version has more personality and is just more interesting and involved than the 616 version.
Hulk and Iron Man are obviously in the same world this time. The last Hulk movie was a "What If..?" world-- Also not the 616, but not the same as the current movie, and not the same as the TV show. Different Marvel universes exist-- This is a standard in the comics. It's not a stretch to believe that the movie universe used for this Hulk and this Iron Man is a universe in which the Hulk is 1' 4" taller, where Iron Man came along later and was in Iraq instead of Nam, and where this Nick Fury is the cooler, more interesting Black one based on Samuel L. Jackson.
NOT the comics. Stop expecting things to be exactly like the comics, because they won't be. There's too much history to jam into the movie, and not enough time.
As for Hulk being CG, I have to say, I'm getting fucking sick of CG, but I cannot fathom how you'd make a character like the Hulk out of some dude painted green. The Hulk is not just an 7' 8" muscular green guy. He's motherfucking HUGE! He weighs 1,400 pounds! Show me a fucking pro wrestler who looks massive enough to weigh 1,400 pounds, even when forced perspective is used to alter his appearance on screen. It can't be done. Even Lord of the Rings had to use CG to animate the trolls, and THEY are closer to Hulk size than Gandalf in comparison to Frodo.
Oh, and I contend that anyone who liked Ang Lee's version hasn't read a Hulk comic in a very, very long time. NOTHING was "spot on" in the Ang Lee abortion. The sooner it's forgotten, the better. I swear, I think some people defend it because accepting that it sucks would put a flaw in their beloved Ang Lee's career.
Frankly, I think Ang Lee sucks. Nothing he has made has impressed me. Most of it is self-indulgent, slow-moving, preachy crap that substitutes camera techniques for decent storytelling. And yes, I think Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was utter selfwank shit. -
I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF. EVERY TRUE COMICBOOK FAN KNOWS THAT THERE IS A MULTIVERSE.THEREFORE TRYING TO PLEASE EVERYONE AND FIT IN EVERY DIFFERENT INCARNATION OF A PARTICULAR CHARACTER IS IMPOSSIBLE
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But Ang Lee's Hulk wasn't that great either.
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everything else aside, that was one of the things that really didn't work in the other film - why didn't they improve upon it for this one?
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I think attempting to quantify the continuity of comic book characters is impossible. Marvel has made better attempts at it than DC has...but there are still GLARING loop holes and constant RET-CONing.For me when some one says "Why isn't the movie Hulk as tall as the comic Hulk." it's enough to say "'cause it's a movie."...that's not the case for most.So while I see what you're doing and it may help you make sense of it, I think it's pointless.
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...I agree that Ang Lee sucks. Crouching Tiger was not a great movie. Brokeback Mountain was HUGELY over-rated and THE HULK was meandering pointlessness with a BAD ending
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You know...I think sometimes people only write shit in these TB's just to read themselves write words like "Fuck!", "Cocksuckers!!" and "Lee's Hulk was a fucking giant spiked suppository in the giant ass of an over inflated Brittney Spears knock-off blow up sex doll that you incessantly wank off too until your eyes turn into sour cream" (ok, so maybe I wanted to read that last part...sorry).I really hope this Hulk is good and I really liked Lee's Hulk...I don't really care for the ears thing altho at the end of the day...why not? Realism? With a giant green dude bashing shit? Say what? But all that aside...I think we're going to get a kick ass Iron Man flick, a hopefully genius Dark Knight and a kick ass Hulk movie would be great too! But...after seeing those turdfest Transporter movies...I don't have much hope. Oh and hate on Lee all you want...if you actually think that the Transporter director is a more competent director than Lee then you are frozen anal vomit. Sorry, no opinions here..I think maybe Lee wasn't a good match for a more puerile action movie even tho I liked it but to compare directors from their own scopes of work and then say a "chest bumping fat kid in an adult's body"-Letteriere (fucking get an easy name to spell dammit!) is somehow more talented than Lee is just ridiculous....with an I. As in Incorrect. Argh!
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PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thank you. Your welcome is quite kind, and your comments spot-on.
As I remember, when word first surfaced that they were going to try another Hulk flick, somebody at Marvel (maybe Feige) was quoted as saying they were "stuck" with a CGI Hulk since it had been established in the first one. I never understood why that would have to be the case, given that they were so overtly pushing the idea that the second movie was to be a total reboot. You'd think they'd have felt free to go in a non-CG direction, especially since that was one of the elements of the Lee version that took a total pasting. -
I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!
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was a really cool action film. The direction and action was inventive and engaging. The movie could have been stripped of its meandering moments, but that would disengaged the tense build up. Asides from that the cast was excellent, asides from the obvious Nike Nolte and Josh Lucas were awesome. Asides from the slightly slow pace at times, I can;t find too much at fault. In order to pull the scale of the action scenes they planned a CG hulk was needed, period. I found it pretty easy to get beyond the CG nature of Hulk and enjoy the action scenes. I just felt the movie could easily have been a typical comic book film, the type we are always treated to, and Ang Lee made this film more interesting with his inventive direction. If recent reports are of any indication I can;t imagine the new Hulk being better. By recent reports, I mean the stories of Marvel stripping it down to be a fundamental summer action flim.
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At least the likes of Captain America or Thor. I'd rather not see him as either. News of RDJr's Tony Stark in a cameo role is great. An Avengers movie with all the same actors would be amazing. That kind of crossover is just what fans want to see and is money in the bank for whoever decides to follow through with the idea. Before I die, it would be nice to see all Marvel films come under one banner so there can be unlimited crossover (Infinity Gauntlet film anyone? -ha, not a chance). I do believe that one day Avatar-like effects will be so economical, that fleshing out comic book universes on the big screen will actually be practical, and all kinds of possibilities will stem from it. Hopefully the human race doesn't destroy itself before that day comes. Oh, some better treatment of the source material would be nice too. Any good directors out there for this shit?
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...in the movies. The camera can make anyone look taller than they really are, and then you have body doubles for those long shots. M. Keaton and R. Downey Jr. are both like 5'9"...
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What, Bruce Banner takes all that gamma radiation and mutates just so he can be about as tall a center for the NBA? Whoopdee friggin doo. Hulk needs to bigger than life, especially for the movies. 15' is about right.
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Apr 21, 2008 5:44:37 PM CDT
D. Vader say it one more time and I'll start paying attention
by finky089
kidding. But seriously, you're right. I'm not really paying attention to this new Hulk movie very much until it gives me reason to. So far, it hasn't other than Norton's involvement. But since shooting wrapped, his disagreement with Marvel's cut leads me to believe this will be another flawed Hulk outing. I'm not writing it off totally, but will wait to see what others say after seeing it before I give it any more of my time.
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What an awesome idea to include all of the current Marvel heroes in each others movies, if an Avengers movie happens like this, it'll be quite the event.
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is he being a diva once again about different plot points. We've seen that before from this snob.
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I Love Comics but i want you all to stop talkin about pointy ears and givin opinions like the Hulk film will bomb because you have NO credit to do so. Just watch it then judge for yourself, not now during its marketing time time.
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Can he even hear??? Please help!
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I dunno ... if you see footage of a Hulk movie, and the Hulk himself looks like utter crap ... and the star/co-writer/co-producer refuses to help promote it ... I'd say you're not being rash in surmising it's going to suck.
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I'd probably kill my own mother to see an Infinity Gauntlet film...even if it was shite...
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