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Planet of the Ood!! The Britons Appraise DOCTOR WHO 30.3!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
“Doctor Who” 30.1 (or 4.1, depending how one counts) arrives on America’s SciFi Channel Friday, but the Brits have already seen 30.3, “Planet of the Ood.”
“Doctor Dan” says:
DOCTOR WHO 4.3 – "Planet Of The Ood"
Writer: Keith Temple
Director: Graeme Harper
Cast: David Tennant (The Doctor), Catherine Tate (Donna Noble), Tim McInnerny (Mr Halpen), Ayesha Dharker (Solana Mercurio), Adrian Rawlins (Dr Ryder), Roger Griffiths (Commander Kess), Paul Clayton (Mr Bartle), Paul Kasey (Ood Sigma), Tariq Jordan (Rep), Silas Carson (Voice Of The Ood)
The Doctor takes Donna to a snowy planet in the 42nd-Century, which they discover is the processing hub for humanity's servants The Ood...
A sequel of sorts to season 2's The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit two-parter, Planet Of The Ood finds The Doctor (David Tennant) trying to right a wrong, by now actively trying to free the subservient Ood from slavery. It's unfortunately another episode where a despicable businessman is behind the evildoing, this time in the shape of Mr Halpen (Tim McInnerny) -- a sharp-suited, balding executive in charge of the "Ood-Sphere"; an industrial complex that exploits Ood by capturing them, lobotomizing them, and shipping them across the galaxies as servants.
Donna (Catherine Tate) again offers a different slant on the typical Who companion, as she becomes genuinely unsettled and fearful of the situation around here, still believing the majority of The Doctor's adventures will be sight-seeing. As a performer, Tate continues to veer from screechy comedy irritant (particularly her first scene in the TARDIS) to thoughtful, reflective, quite dramatic moments. I'm very glad the writers are using Donna in a different way to Rose and Martha, but Tate is only really palatable when she's in a contemplative mood, as her histrionics (while significantly reduced from Runaway Bride) still cause me to squirm. David Tennant is kind of going through the motions here -- yelping "oh, yes!" a few too many times -- but it's an episode that only requires his boundless enthusiasm and doesn't offer him much else to chew on.
Keith Temple's script is very well paced and, while the story is full of Who clichés (evil company man, armed bodyguards, a conflicted assistant), it sustains itself well and offers some emotional punches towards the end as The Doctor begins to unravel Mr Halpen's schemes by reconstituting the Ood's natural telepathy. A moment between The Doctor, Donna and some caged ("unprocessed") Ood, where they sing a "song of captivity" into their minds, was particularly strong.
It was also great to see the production values do justice to the story, with wintry alien landscapes beautifully integrated into real surroundings, and the use of a large factory as an exterior to film around. The interiors on Doctor Who always have a vague whiff of falseness about them (particularly when trying to make far-future technology look plausible), but the frontier-like industrial element to the Ood-Sphere worked well. The CGI for a grappling hook, swinging around a warehouse to try and crush The Doctor also looked great, and I love the make-up for the Ood – particularly the blinking eyes, which really help sell them.
As always, there were some moments that fell flat, such as an Ood being programmed to say "D'Oh!" and the unconvincing reason for a character's physical transformation into an Ood – which was at least quite scary, as he ripped off his scalp and vomited up tentacles! A henchman revealing his allegiance for a "Friends Of The Ood" anti-slavery team, before being quickly killed, also struck me as a wasted opportunity. And it was never explained how the Ood's hand-held translation balls can suddenly become electrifying weapons, either. Everything else hit the spot, though -- although the lack of much depth and subtleties means Planet Of The Ood was ultimately just an agreeable, well-paced, yet predictable adventure story -- with a few dramatic moments and morally-responsible subtext. It was very solid, bread-and-butter stuff -- but far short of inspiring.
The Good
The Ood are one of new Who's more intriguing aliens, and this episode did a good job of expanding them as characters, in an appropriate slave-themed storyline.
The production design (particularly the Oodsphere exteriors, warehouses and the frigid alien landscapes) was excellent, and it's generally a relief to see Doctor Who actually stepping foot on more alien planets.
Tim McInnerny did very well with a clichéd character, particularly in the scene where he gets his comeuppance.
A genuinely creepy human-to-Ood transformation -- that might have caused a few little kids to turn away!
The Bad
A few small ideas were fudged or just weren't uninteresting, like conflicted assistant Solana and the undercover henchman.
Maybe it wasn't the best story for it, but the humour wasn't up to scratch this week. I liked Donna's comment about an overhead rocket ("That's what I call a spaceship! You've got a box, he's got a Ferrari!"), but there wasn't much else to chuckle over. While the comedy-crime of an Ood quoting Homer Simpson is best forgotten about.
There are too many evil companies and evil bosses on Doctor Who, giving this episode the vague sense of "been there, done that" throughout.
I didn't really believe in the Ood trick of poisoning Halpen's hair-loss medication, particularly as there was no indication that enslaved Ood could act against their master's wishes or best interests.
The Geeky
The Ood were first introduced in the season 2 two-part episode The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit.
An Andy Warhol-inspired Ood painting!
The Doctor once again uses his unspecified mental talents to awaken Donna's mind to the Ood's telepathic song.
The Ood-Sphere is in the same solar system as the Sense-Sphere from the 1964 serial The Sensorites, which features aliens very similar to the Ood.
An Ood tells departing Doctor "I think your song must end soon. Every song must end." Is this an allusion that the Tenth Doctor's demise is coming soon? Will David Tennant be leaving us in the finale, or during one of next year's three special episodes?
Rating: 3 / 5
NEXT WEEK: The "other" Dr Jones is back! And potato-headed villains The Sontarons return for a modern revamp!
“Spud McSpud” says:
Hey Herc,
Just saw episode 3 of the fourth season of WHO here in the UK - PLANET OF THE OOD. Yep, the Ood are back!
*** MILD SPOILAGE AHOY ***
After a fantastic opening sequence, which sets the stall out for the episode - unscrupulous human corporation trading the Ood like cattle, ad campaigns selling the Ood as a must-have lifestyle accessory, and an Ood amok! Cue iconic title sequence.
The Doctor and Donna have engaged the "mystery" destination button, and have no clue where they are. Upon arrival, the Doctor's usual "isn't this wonderful" speech is ignored by Donna, who heads back into the TARDIS for a heavy coat - they're on an ice planet. They get more of an idea of where they are when they discover a dying Ood. Whilst trying to save him, the duo are surprised when the Ood gives them a message - "The circle must be broken" - and then goes red-eye on them. Must be Worcestershire sauce in his fluid.
The plot thickens when the Doctor and Donna discover a colony building on the ice planet (Ood-sphere - homeworld of the Ood), which is about to admit a group of human Ood buyers in for a corporate welcome. The Doctor and Donna tag along, and pretty soon are sneaking around discovering Ood slave pens, the particularly nasty way of enslaving an Ood, and the Ood "rabies" that is sweeping the Ood population. Tim McInnerney is slimy enough as Mr Halpen, the corporate boss in charge of enslaving the Ood, and has a wonderful freak-out scene near the end. There are heavy-handed references to the slave trade (all the human slave trainers are ethnic - black or indian), but nothing detracting from the compelling story, which seems to reinforce the idea that no matter how far in the future humanity goes, money will always be made exploiting other races and other peoples. Best lines:
Donna: "But I don't have any slaves!"
Doctor: "Who do you think made your clothes?"
Makes you think. And of course the classic Donna reaction, upon seeing a sleek red rocket overhead, coming in to land:
Donna: "Now that's what I call a spaceship! You've got a box, he's got a Ferrari!"
It's nice to see some darkness in this week's story too - especially following the surprisingly dark episode last week - and back to doing what Who does best: moral dilemmas. It's also nice to see the Ood back - though pens full of rabid Ood are funny rather than scary - and it has an affecting, emotional finale. Tate is okay as ever, though all the raving about how great an actress she is seems to be down to the fact that she can cry on cue. The old, bellowing fishwife Donna occasionally rears its ugly head, but on the whole, Tate is okay this time out. Tennant is, of course, the consummate Doctor, all righteous indignation and eye-bulging, whether escaping the colony's private security force, a giant amusement arcade grabbing machine, or the schizo Ood, who finally get to have something good happen to them at the end. The explanation as to why the Ood carry translator balls is also surprisingly good - and tied in well to the story.
And then there's the haunting refrain to Rose's theme near the end, as the Ood give the Doctor a last little prophetic line (spoilage ahead):
Ood Sigma: "Your song must end soon, Doctor."
It must indeed. But for now, Tennant is the best thing since the immortal Tom Baker, and Tate isn't anywhere near the pain in the arse we all anticipated she would be. More of the same, please, and bring on the Sontarans vs UNIT next week - and the return of Martha's arse! (Sorry, Martha.)
Solid 7-and-a-half out of ten, I say.
If you use this, I am SPUD MCSPUD, from merry old England!
Cheers, Herc!
“Kelvington” says:
Tonight the Doctor and Donna travel to the planet of the Ood, where they get caught up in all sorts of mischief, including a giant claw and some Star Trek worthy room bouncing as they get thrown around inside the TARDIS. Plus we get to see the appearance of Thunderbird 3 in this episode, or at least a very close approximation of it. Personally I would have been more impressed if they called the episode, "The Ood, The Bad, and The Ugly", but what are you going to do.
You get to see a surprising amount of compassion out of Donna tonight, to a race of creatures she just met. One of the better sequences of the show, although again the musical score nearly over powers it, is the inter-cutting of an Ood escape with a sales pitch about how we treat the Ood as a valued friend. The cutting on this was spot on, and very dramatic, and it's great to know that even in the 42nd Century, "The Simpsons" will still be on the air.
One of the scenes from the previews for the last several weeks involves the giant claw chasing the Doctor down, and it's very well done. Although, it does seem very much like a giant claw machine you would find at the amusement park or arcade, and I suspect several around the UK will be remade in "Doctor Who" image.
The main theme of the episode seems to be about the concept of slavery and freedom, while they don't hit you over the head with it, it is brought up enough to slam the point home. This is not an effects heavy episode, although there are several large ones, the Mill has done an excellent job with most of them. While the writing is a tad off on this one, and it's all wrapped up a little too neatly for my liking, it's good to see there was a very involved back story to the Ood.
In the end, it doesn't take a huge brain to figure out this was an episode done to save money for a more spectacular one later in the series, and using the Ood as both a good guy and bad guy was a very well done. This is one of the few times there are so many characters introduced and so little time to develop them, that many felt very two-dimensional. While this is not the best episode ever, it's far from the worst, think of it as a pallet cleanser for next week. Speaking of which next week we get to see the return of Martha Jones, and I'm curious to see how Martha and Donna get along, I hope we see some fireworks on par with Rose and Sara Jane.
Just my 2¢
“DJ Bollocks” says:
Another Saturday night of thrills and spills....
Pre opening credits death sets us up nicely...
In the Tardis and, Jesus, can Catherine Tate do anything bar pantomime...?
"Blimey a real proper rocket !" Suddenly I've become 12 years old again...
Tim McInnery far from being Captain Darling is the chief of Ood Operations (who deal in selling Ood as servants) with an apparant drinking problem...
whilst exploring the planet D&D discover a dying Ood
"The Circle Must Be Broken...." it says...
But just as he pops off - Ol' Red Eyes Is Back - 'Red Eye Disease' as the humans are calling it...
The Doctor reminds us that the last time he met the Ood they had been possessed by the Devil
Upon further investigation it would appear that the Ood are really pissed off...
"This is a bit more than Red Eye sir... It's rabid...."
Meanwhile there's a sales convention going on in Ood peddling - what could possibly go wrong...
Even a Simpson's "D'oh !" gag in there - how quaint.
Confirmation that the Oodsphere is next to the Sensorsphere
Warehouse 15 ! Something nasty happened there !
Into Warehouse 15 then... - looking like an episode of Blake's 7 now - with a big bright mysterious red light...
D&D are investigating and stumble upon a big X Files warehouse fillied with Ood in containers
"The Circle Must Be Broken So That We Can Sing !" say the captive Ood
Donna gets locked in a container filled with some Ood and meanwhile the Doctor gets chased around by a CGI grappling claw. The Ood in the container naturally have red eye issues...
Everyone escapes including the Ood...
"The entire Ood batch appears to be contaminated..."
After much running about The Doctor and Donna find a remote part of the base and find unaltered Ood - complete with corny moment with Vulcan Mind Meld style "hearing of the song of the Ood"
Captain Darling tries to find the Doctor and Donna as they discover that the company are cutting off the Ood's second brains (like they're holding their testicles in their hands - only not)... as they protect them in their hands as they were born that way.
Comparisons to nazi ethnic cleansing and the gassing of cattle re foot and mouth disease.... at which point the processed Ood find their collective mojo by hearing the collective song...
Lots of shooting and brain balling chaos ensues... and the gassing doesn't quite go to plan...
More World War One analogies - as the song get the Doctor and Donna out of a tight scrape...
Back to Warehouse 15 and we get to see the telepathing centre - The Ood Brain (The circle is an electronic pylon surrounding the brain)
Darling's science expert sells him out as does his Ood servant and he becomes an Ood the hair restorer he's been drinking is some stuff to turn him into an Ood - (PG rated pre 7pm sfx here - I think they were trying for a City of Death moment here)
More concentration camp analogies - Christ all they needed to do was start playing football...
All things happily (?) ever after in the closing scene...
"I think your song must end soon - every song must end..." Ooooh foreboding !
Next week Martha and the Sontarans return... and maybe the return of Unit ?
Bit of a meh episode again - a not really interesting monster returns with unnecessary analogies to slave trading and ethnic cleansing that again seem forced and preachy... Looking forward to return of Freema as Martha next week - hopefully she'll act Tate under the table - I wouldn't say I'm dinking the Taterade - I really just don't care....
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Writer: Keith Temple
Director: Graeme Harper
Cast: David Tennant (The Doctor), Catherine Tate (Donna Noble), Tim McInnerny (Mr Halpen), Ayesha Dharker (Solana Mercurio), Adrian Rawlins (Dr Ryder), Roger Griffiths (Commander Kess), Paul Clayton (Mr Bartle), Paul Kasey (Ood Sigma), Tariq Jordan (Rep), Silas Carson (Voice Of The Ood)
The Doctor takes Donna to a snowy planet in the 42nd-Century, which they discover is the processing hub for humanity's servants The Ood...
A sequel of sorts to season 2's The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit two-parter, Planet Of The Ood finds The Doctor (David Tennant) trying to right a wrong, by now actively trying to free the subservient Ood from slavery. It's unfortunately another episode where a despicable businessman is behind the evildoing, this time in the shape of Mr Halpen (Tim McInnerny) -- a sharp-suited, balding executive in charge of the "Ood-Sphere"; an industrial complex that exploits Ood by capturing them, lobotomizing them, and shipping them across the galaxies as servants.
Donna (Catherine Tate) again offers a different slant on the typical Who companion, as she becomes genuinely unsettled and fearful of the situation around here, still believing the majority of The Doctor's adventures will be sight-seeing. As a performer, Tate continues to veer from screechy comedy irritant (particularly her first scene in the TARDIS) to thoughtful, reflective, quite dramatic moments. I'm very glad the writers are using Donna in a different way to Rose and Martha, but Tate is only really palatable when she's in a contemplative mood, as her histrionics (while significantly reduced from Runaway Bride) still cause me to squirm. David Tennant is kind of going through the motions here -- yelping "oh, yes!" a few too many times -- but it's an episode that only requires his boundless enthusiasm and doesn't offer him much else to chew on.
Keith Temple's script is very well paced and, while the story is full of Who clichés (evil company man, armed bodyguards, a conflicted assistant), it sustains itself well and offers some emotional punches towards the end as The Doctor begins to unravel Mr Halpen's schemes by reconstituting the Ood's natural telepathy. A moment between The Doctor, Donna and some caged ("unprocessed") Ood, where they sing a "song of captivity" into their minds, was particularly strong.
It was also great to see the production values do justice to the story, with wintry alien landscapes beautifully integrated into real surroundings, and the use of a large factory as an exterior to film around. The interiors on Doctor Who always have a vague whiff of falseness about them (particularly when trying to make far-future technology look plausible), but the frontier-like industrial element to the Ood-Sphere worked well. The CGI for a grappling hook, swinging around a warehouse to try and crush The Doctor also looked great, and I love the make-up for the Ood – particularly the blinking eyes, which really help sell them.
As always, there were some moments that fell flat, such as an Ood being programmed to say "D'Oh!" and the unconvincing reason for a character's physical transformation into an Ood – which was at least quite scary, as he ripped off his scalp and vomited up tentacles! A henchman revealing his allegiance for a "Friends Of The Ood" anti-slavery team, before being quickly killed, also struck me as a wasted opportunity. And it was never explained how the Ood's hand-held translation balls can suddenly become electrifying weapons, either. Everything else hit the spot, though -- although the lack of much depth and subtleties means Planet Of The Ood was ultimately just an agreeable, well-paced, yet predictable adventure story -- with a few dramatic moments and morally-responsible subtext. It was very solid, bread-and-butter stuff -- but far short of inspiring.
The Good
The Ood are one of new Who's more intriguing aliens, and this episode did a good job of expanding them as characters, in an appropriate slave-themed storyline.
The production design (particularly the Oodsphere exteriors, warehouses and the frigid alien landscapes) was excellent, and it's generally a relief to see Doctor Who actually stepping foot on more alien planets.
Tim McInnerny did very well with a clichéd character, particularly in the scene where he gets his comeuppance.
A genuinely creepy human-to-Ood transformation -- that might have caused a few little kids to turn away!
The Bad
A few small ideas were fudged or just weren't uninteresting, like conflicted assistant Solana and the undercover henchman.
Maybe it wasn't the best story for it, but the humour wasn't up to scratch this week. I liked Donna's comment about an overhead rocket ("That's what I call a spaceship! You've got a box, he's got a Ferrari!"), but there wasn't much else to chuckle over. While the comedy-crime of an Ood quoting Homer Simpson is best forgotten about.
There are too many evil companies and evil bosses on Doctor Who, giving this episode the vague sense of "been there, done that" throughout.
I didn't really believe in the Ood trick of poisoning Halpen's hair-loss medication, particularly as there was no indication that enslaved Ood could act against their master's wishes or best interests.
The Geeky
The Ood were first introduced in the season 2 two-part episode The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit.
An Andy Warhol-inspired Ood painting!
The Doctor once again uses his unspecified mental talents to awaken Donna's mind to the Ood's telepathic song.
The Ood-Sphere is in the same solar system as the Sense-Sphere from the 1964 serial The Sensorites, which features aliens very similar to the Ood.
An Ood tells departing Doctor "I think your song must end soon. Every song must end." Is this an allusion that the Tenth Doctor's demise is coming soon? Will David Tennant be leaving us in the finale, or during one of next year's three special episodes?
Rating: 3 / 5
NEXT WEEK: The "other" Dr Jones is back! And potato-headed villains The Sontarons return for a modern revamp!
Just saw episode 3 of the fourth season of WHO here in the UK - PLANET OF THE OOD. Yep, the Ood are back!
*** MILD SPOILAGE AHOY ***
After a fantastic opening sequence, which sets the stall out for the episode - unscrupulous human corporation trading the Ood like cattle, ad campaigns selling the Ood as a must-have lifestyle accessory, and an Ood amok! Cue iconic title sequence.
The Doctor and Donna have engaged the "mystery" destination button, and have no clue where they are. Upon arrival, the Doctor's usual "isn't this wonderful" speech is ignored by Donna, who heads back into the TARDIS for a heavy coat - they're on an ice planet. They get more of an idea of where they are when they discover a dying Ood. Whilst trying to save him, the duo are surprised when the Ood gives them a message - "The circle must be broken" - and then goes red-eye on them. Must be Worcestershire sauce in his fluid.
The plot thickens when the Doctor and Donna discover a colony building on the ice planet (Ood-sphere - homeworld of the Ood), which is about to admit a group of human Ood buyers in for a corporate welcome. The Doctor and Donna tag along, and pretty soon are sneaking around discovering Ood slave pens, the particularly nasty way of enslaving an Ood, and the Ood "rabies" that is sweeping the Ood population. Tim McInnerney is slimy enough as Mr Halpen, the corporate boss in charge of enslaving the Ood, and has a wonderful freak-out scene near the end. There are heavy-handed references to the slave trade (all the human slave trainers are ethnic - black or indian), but nothing detracting from the compelling story, which seems to reinforce the idea that no matter how far in the future humanity goes, money will always be made exploiting other races and other peoples. Best lines:
Donna: "But I don't have any slaves!"
Doctor: "Who do you think made your clothes?"
Makes you think. And of course the classic Donna reaction, upon seeing a sleek red rocket overhead, coming in to land:
Donna: "Now that's what I call a spaceship! You've got a box, he's got a Ferrari!"
It's nice to see some darkness in this week's story too - especially following the surprisingly dark episode last week - and back to doing what Who does best: moral dilemmas. It's also nice to see the Ood back - though pens full of rabid Ood are funny rather than scary - and it has an affecting, emotional finale. Tate is okay as ever, though all the raving about how great an actress she is seems to be down to the fact that she can cry on cue. The old, bellowing fishwife Donna occasionally rears its ugly head, but on the whole, Tate is okay this time out. Tennant is, of course, the consummate Doctor, all righteous indignation and eye-bulging, whether escaping the colony's private security force, a giant amusement arcade grabbing machine, or the schizo Ood, who finally get to have something good happen to them at the end. The explanation as to why the Ood carry translator balls is also surprisingly good - and tied in well to the story.
And then there's the haunting refrain to Rose's theme near the end, as the Ood give the Doctor a last little prophetic line (spoilage ahead):
Ood Sigma: "Your song must end soon, Doctor."
It must indeed. But for now, Tennant is the best thing since the immortal Tom Baker, and Tate isn't anywhere near the pain in the arse we all anticipated she would be. More of the same, please, and bring on the Sontarans vs UNIT next week - and the return of Martha's arse! (Sorry, Martha.)
Solid 7-and-a-half out of ten, I say.
If you use this, I am SPUD MCSPUD, from merry old England!
Cheers, Herc!
You get to see a surprising amount of compassion out of Donna tonight, to a race of creatures she just met. One of the better sequences of the show, although again the musical score nearly over powers it, is the inter-cutting of an Ood escape with a sales pitch about how we treat the Ood as a valued friend. The cutting on this was spot on, and very dramatic, and it's great to know that even in the 42nd Century, "The Simpsons" will still be on the air.
One of the scenes from the previews for the last several weeks involves the giant claw chasing the Doctor down, and it's very well done. Although, it does seem very much like a giant claw machine you would find at the amusement park or arcade, and I suspect several around the UK will be remade in "Doctor Who" image.
The main theme of the episode seems to be about the concept of slavery and freedom, while they don't hit you over the head with it, it is brought up enough to slam the point home. This is not an effects heavy episode, although there are several large ones, the Mill has done an excellent job with most of them. While the writing is a tad off on this one, and it's all wrapped up a little too neatly for my liking, it's good to see there was a very involved back story to the Ood.
In the end, it doesn't take a huge brain to figure out this was an episode done to save money for a more spectacular one later in the series, and using the Ood as both a good guy and bad guy was a very well done. This is one of the few times there are so many characters introduced and so little time to develop them, that many felt very two-dimensional. While this is not the best episode ever, it's far from the worst, think of it as a pallet cleanser for next week. Speaking of which next week we get to see the return of Martha Jones, and I'm curious to see how Martha and Donna get along, I hope we see some fireworks on par with Rose and Sara Jane.
Just my 2¢
Pre opening credits death sets us up nicely...
In the Tardis and, Jesus, can Catherine Tate do anything bar pantomime...?
"Blimey a real proper rocket !" Suddenly I've become 12 years old again...
Tim McInnery far from being Captain Darling is the chief of Ood Operations (who deal in selling Ood as servants) with an apparant drinking problem...
whilst exploring the planet D&D discover a dying Ood
"The Circle Must Be Broken...." it says...
But just as he pops off - Ol' Red Eyes Is Back - 'Red Eye Disease' as the humans are calling it...
The Doctor reminds us that the last time he met the Ood they had been possessed by the Devil
Upon further investigation it would appear that the Ood are really pissed off...
"This is a bit more than Red Eye sir... It's rabid...."
Meanwhile there's a sales convention going on in Ood peddling - what could possibly go wrong...
Even a Simpson's "D'oh !" gag in there - how quaint.
Confirmation that the Oodsphere is next to the Sensorsphere
Warehouse 15 ! Something nasty happened there !
Into Warehouse 15 then... - looking like an episode of Blake's 7 now - with a big bright mysterious red light...
D&D are investigating and stumble upon a big X Files warehouse fillied with Ood in containers
"The Circle Must Be Broken So That We Can Sing !" say the captive Ood
Donna gets locked in a container filled with some Ood and meanwhile the Doctor gets chased around by a CGI grappling claw. The Ood in the container naturally have red eye issues...
Everyone escapes including the Ood...
"The entire Ood batch appears to be contaminated..."
After much running about The Doctor and Donna find a remote part of the base and find unaltered Ood - complete with corny moment with Vulcan Mind Meld style "hearing of the song of the Ood"
Captain Darling tries to find the Doctor and Donna as they discover that the company are cutting off the Ood's second brains (like they're holding their testicles in their hands - only not)... as they protect them in their hands as they were born that way.
Comparisons to nazi ethnic cleansing and the gassing of cattle re foot and mouth disease.... at which point the processed Ood find their collective mojo by hearing the collective song...
Lots of shooting and brain balling chaos ensues... and the gassing doesn't quite go to plan...
More World War One analogies - as the song get the Doctor and Donna out of a tight scrape...
Back to Warehouse 15 and we get to see the telepathing centre - The Ood Brain (The circle is an electronic pylon surrounding the brain)
Darling's science expert sells him out as does his Ood servant and he becomes an Ood the hair restorer he's been drinking is some stuff to turn him into an Ood - (PG rated pre 7pm sfx here - I think they were trying for a City of Death moment here)
More concentration camp analogies - Christ all they needed to do was start playing football...
All things happily (?) ever after in the closing scene...
"I think your song must end soon - every song must end..." Ooooh foreboding !
Next week Martha and the Sontarans return... and maybe the return of Unit ?
Bit of a meh episode again - a not really interesting monster returns with unnecessary analogies to slave trading and ethnic cleansing that again seem forced and preachy... Looking forward to return of Freema as Martha next week - hopefully she'll act Tate under the table - I wouldn't say I'm dinking the Taterade - I really just don't care....
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....to have a faint glow of satisfation.......but I do!
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with the above reviews..... I thought it was easily the best so far this series and word work really well watched straight after The Impossible planet/The Satan Pit. Loved that the Oods first appearence was all fire and this ice. Catherine Tate (who I was dreading) has pretty much won me over at this point, though I think the writing for her has been very good....one or two obvious allusions to future events...your song is going to end....missing bee's etc.....but does anyone think that the Dr and Donna being revered by people as godlike *(the carving last week and the reference to stories being sung to future generations of ood) is something we may see more of and build towards something?
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...because he can make even a weak story work on screen. This week's episode was fairly solid, not the best ever (especially after last week's volcanic events) but certainly very enjoyable, and no mentions of fucking Billie Piper either which was great. I'm dreading when she chavs her way back into this season.
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Now, that was a crazy doctor.
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to see if I could stand to watch a series with Catherine Tate as a companion, and after this one I will definitely go the distance. She's not nearly as bad as I feared and was a pretty sympathetic character in episode three. So consider me an ex-Tater. Donna makes a nice contrast to Rose and Martha (and even Captain Jack, for that matter) in that she challenges the Doctor rather than fawn over him. But the Doctor's song ends soon! And she is returning! And there is something on Donna's back! I love the foreshadowing in every series of the - the payoff has been great in every season so far.
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...for the return of the Sontarans later this year!
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...aren't nearly as bad as I had imagined them to be. What a pleasant surprise.
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Following Russell T Davies' Standard formula last week was the past now we have our episode in the future. And next week we're back on Earth as per his annual plan.
It's got some great moments in it but its still a bit pants. Especially the bit where you discover they have to carry their brain around with them. Surely they would at least have a pocket or a little satchel.
What was the claw chase about? he runs he falls over they've got him and then they let him go. this epsiode does well and then just throws it all away.
Foreshadowing the future “All the bee's disappearing...” More to come on this I'm sure.
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You know, another seeming theme there are developing is Donna's willingness to rewrite history. Or trying to get the Doctor to do it. I wonder if there's a chance that one of them dies, and the other comes back to save them. Maybe next season will be about what happens when you change history.
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I suppose I will be in the minority here, but Donna in furs, hair all windswept, was fairly sexy!. I cannot believe that one of the reviewers thinks that they saved on the fx budget with this . Don't forgat this is a b.b.c.. production. good solid episode.
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The FX budget must have been blown on last weeks episode, the same 5 sets were used over and over again, the Ood are the weakest new race from new Who (except for Absorbalov but a five year old created that one for a Blue Peter competition I believe, so I'll let that slide) I can't take a bad guy seriously if they have a face like a serving of calamari. The performance of the chief villain by Tim Mckinnery, who I rate very highly as actor normally was just bad and as about as scary as a hair roller. Then we have Donna.... I'm sorry but I just have no empathy with Donna. I simply can't look at her without thinking 'that's Catherine Tate'. Her presence jars my suspension of disbelief just enough to keep me from really getting into it. Its a great shame because the character itself is a strong one and I think a necessary change from what we've have had so far in the re-vamped Who. The Doctor needs someone to question him, pull him back from his greater excess's. But Tate... simply put, isn't the one to play that character. I've never liked her in the first place, her comedy show isn't funny, that whole deep breathy Essex sounding 'Oh my god' style of delivery she has to 'express' surprise/wonder/disgust/disappointment (delete as applicable) is not a substitute for talent and someone should really tell her that. I think what it is about her is that I'm very worried about and dreading in fact, is the inevitable slipping in of the 'I'm I bo'vveerrred' gag. Its just there, in the background lurking in the shadows waiting to pounce and inflict maximum damage to my viewing pleasure. I'm happy for those out there who seem to be warming to her but for me at least, she is limiting the enjoyment I normally get from the show. The only consolation is that next week promise's to be a good one with UNIT making a welcome return along with the 'Torchwood' version of Martha which is an improvement on the sometimes Love-sick puppy 'Who' version of Martha. Thankfully her arse is just as good on both versions. But even then, It better be a stronger episode than this weeks because if it isn't I really don't think I'll care enough to stick around to find out where all the bee's are going to....
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I liked to see the Ood again. But there were too many characters that didn't seem to need to exist and some highly suspect logic going on. They evolved a brain outside of their body? What sense does that make? And because they have two brains they must have a 3rd? WTF? I also really hate when they have people traveling between galaxies. Do people have any idea just how far away the nearest galaxy is? Donna wasn't bad. I like her picking up the ball and trying to talk into it.Can the Doctor officially pick where and when he goes now? The beginning of this episode kind of implied he could and I don't remember any other episode of the particular season imply that he had very good control over the TARDIS's destination.
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Totally agree with distinct lack of logic.
Nice leaving the Ood on their own planet but what exacly are they going to eat in this frozen wasteland?
When Donna first meets an Ood The Doctor chastises her "it's not an it it's a he"
I thought they were a sexles race where are all the lady Oods?
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Let's see: Octopus-faced humanoids that communicate telepathically and have a giant brain as their leader... This was pretty blatant plagiarism on the writer's part, stealing the "Illithids" the Dungeons and Dragons roleplaying game. The Ood, in their orginal
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If it wasnt for Catherine Tate.
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The final episode of Series Four is titled "Journey's End," all of the Tenth Doctor's companions are back, the Daleks are back (presumably with Davros this time), and Russell T. Davies simply cannot be trusted about statements like Tennant returning for "specials" in 2009 when it could easily be a smokescreen for Series Five with the new Eleventh Doctor.
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Surely I can't be the only one who noticed the homage to the last shot of Raiders of the Lost Ark when The Doctor and Donna first went into the warehouse with all the containers, can I?
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...but its equally difficult to let a doctor go. I remember basically hating the Paul McGann film because Sylvester McCoy was shot to death! Unforgiveable. What a way to go. I have to say, the constant Bill Nighy support is intriguing... I can see it working very well. I'd follow Bill Nighy around the universe. But then that would be going against the whole 'younger' approach. I do think an older doctor would be good again though... Bill Nighy IS a timelord in real life anyway, so that would work. Who else? A few years ago I would have said Jasper Carrot.. but not anymore. I'd have Derek Jacobi back too... he took it seriously. How about, Tennant regenerates into Sylvester McCoy, standing up, walking out the Tardis...and immediately get shot... and regenerates into Paul McGann... it could be a series-long flashback to the time war?
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This was old-school Who but with a decent budget. If they keep this on a roll, this will be the best season/series since the show returned. I'm all for Tennant staying, but if The Doctor needs to regenerate at the end of the series for Tennant to do other work, then friggin degenerate him and bring back Paul McGann. I think this just means that his journey as the Last of the Time Lords is about to end, and that Gallifrey and its proper time-line will be restored.
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but I'm not exactly warming to her. The problem is that I'm always aware I'm watching Kathrine Tate "acting". Hopefully, after next week she gets sidelined a bit.
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This episode was a terrible slur against corporations, who are only trying to better the world. Corporations create jobs and pour money into lesser economic developed countries. This show just repeats tired old lies to pander to teenagers wearing Che Guevara t-shirts. But what can you expect from a show that so prominently features homosexuals. I mean, yesterday's episode even had an Indian in it. There was no reason for the character to be Indian. It's political correctness gone mad. This would never have happened in Buffy. In Buffy if characters turned gay they either died or went mad. It wouldn't surprise me if Doctor Who's next companion is a paedophile, it is such godless liberal propaganda. Isn't President Bush supposed to be protecting kids from this unchristian filth? He should also bring back Buffy. Joss Whedon invented television. Bring back Buffy! Buffy buffy bfuufyf byyyy
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You're very noticeable in these Doctor Who talkbacks because you post ridiculous rants that are four or five times longer than anyone else's. And will there ever be an episode that you won't describe as "The worst episode ever"? Seriously, you're turning into that guy from the Simpsons. Methinks you should just stop watching Doctor Who and go back to watching whatever else you were watching before it was on. This was a dark, brutal episode in which Catherine Tate really did well, putting in a quiet, sad and angry performance. There's a righteous crusading angle to her we didn't see in Rose or Martha, the latter of which never moved beyond the wide-eyed curiosity stage. Good stuff.
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to Raxacoricofallapatorius? Always wanted to see the home world of the Raxacoricofallapatorians, just to see what ever became of the Slitheen family and their race (or maybe it was just my always wanting to use the words Raxacoricofallapatorian and Raxacoricofallapatorius in a talkback post). BTW; DAMN you, Ron Moore, for killing Callie!!!!!!!!
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not outstanding, but was alright. as for tenant, it take longer then a week to do 1 episode. if he wants to leave, good luck to him. i hope he doesn't and sticks around for a while yet
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To the guy who mentioned that the line 'All the Bees are disappearing' is obviously foreshadowing... YOU ARE A RETARDED NERD WHO OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT WATCH THE NEWS.
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The Bees *are* disappearing. For real. And noone knows why.
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turned down I mistook the unprocessed Ood's secondary brain as an external testicle. They certainly looked like one.
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I really think season four is heading toward the BEST SEASON yet of the new Doctor Who. Three wonderful episodes in a row. I just wish they'd stick to the 7pm time slot and have it in it's usual place. It's far too early in the evening, and I can't help wondering if that icky shot of Tim turning into an Ood wasn't a tad too much for the timeslot. Still, I love a good scare for the kids.
I thought the CGI and effects throughout were wondrous and yet again it put me in mind of the best Tom Baker / Sarah Jane Smith adventures. I for one think that Donna is thoroughly believable and simply lovely.
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...but this one wasn't bad at all for Her Shouty Redness. I reckon she turned in a surprisingly restrained performance. In fact, it was Tennant's gurning that was the most distracting thing this week...Still, Sontarans next week - wa-hey! Please, RTD, no more recycling of Daleks vs. Cybermen. Let's have a Sontaran/Judoon battle. On Earth. In London.
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...with Carey Mulligan's 'Sally Sparrow' assisting.And no more Rose. Ever.
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...Thanks for dropping that BSG spoiler to someone who can't get the SciFi channel and is waiting for the DVD box-set in November.Nice one. Wanker.
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I think you might need to back up a step, or at least switch to decaff. Current news aside, there's been a well publicised trailer reel showing Donna threatened by a giant bee. So it's very feasable that the line was a hint of things to come within the series continuity.
On to the Ood. Good episode. Far better than I thought it'd be because this was the one I was looking forward to least for some reason. Nothing much to dislike, so no complaints. Catherine Tate is growing on me more each weel, as is the dynamic she brings to the show. Looking forward to the Sontarian return next week in what I think is a two parter. Is it me, or is Martha coming back earlier than we'd be led to believe ? -
Um, the line about the bees disappearing has been mentioned before in the first episode. Since it is now being repeated, this isn't just a cultural reference. It clearly is foreshadowing and will no doubt tie in to something later in the series. Probably something to do with Rose's alternate universe bleeding into ours. So it is foreshadowing which takes inspiration from a real-life event. It is possible for it to be both, you know.
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Yes, I had got the impression that Martha would return for 4-5 consecutive episodes near the end of the current series. This may just be me misinterpreting announcements. I guess she'll be in this two-parter then return for the multi-companion story. What I don't quite understand about that is that it's going to be a Doctor-lite episode since there's not enough time for Tennant to film 13 full episodes. So how come there's enough time for Tate to film 13 full episodes? Or will there be a Donna-lite episode too? (Oh please, oh please, oh please....)
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i noticed when one of the ood said Your song will come to an end dr. That was a hint at the Dr's demise. I didnt see last weeks ep. From a review I have just read, tate was in lauren mode. I am glad I missed. The observer on sunday reviewed next weeks ep and they said it excellent. Ricky Gervais's new show has a working title of The man from the Pru. It is set in the 1970's and it is based in an Insurance company in Reading and focuses on a group on twentysomethings. The reviewer also castigated Freema ageyman.
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Apr 20, 2008 6:05:00 AM CDT
Martha's line is "Im back and I am bringin you back to earth"
by emeraldboy
Martha is involved in the Dr's demise. Donna says you turned her into a soldier. Martha is working as loyal ATMOS foot soldier.
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Apr 20, 2008 6:05:24 AM CDT
Martha's line is "Im back and I am bringin you back to earth"
by emeraldboy
Martha is involved in the Dr's demise. Donna says you turned her into a soldier. Martha is working as loyal ATMOS foot soldier. I am wondering at some point did Rose meet Martha.
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So if doctors song about loneliness is going to end it will mean a return of rose, or the timelords, or something that will end his loneliness
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Here's the RobinP theory. Rose still has that TARDIS energy coursing through her cute li'l body - right ? Could it be that as she once revived a Dalek with this energy, Davro is also linked in to this ? Maybe he has Rose working for him somehow or other.(See, I think there are still millions of Daleks strwen throughout eternity at different times. The fact that they perished in the Time War doesn't mean that they've been wiped out of ever existing. But if I think too deeply about that, I get a headache). I never fully understood how come they never went back and revived those in the Dalek city on Skaro who were defeated by having their power cut off in the very first Dalek story)
So it COULD be that Rose could come back in the season closer, be involved with Davros somehow...then in a final heart wrenching scene, use her TARDIS whammy to give the Doctor, who sacrifices himself and dies... the final jolt of energy needed to regenerate OR evolve to a higher form of Time Lord capable of many more regenerations. Their "Decker/V'Ger" type melding would mean that Rose would be a part of him forever AND free up Tennant to pursue other opportunities if that's what he wants.
THAT, my friends, is the RobinP theory.
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I thought this was the weakest episode of this series. There have been worse ones. And oddly my dis-satifaction with episode had little to do with me being a Tater. Oh, I still don't like her but this just a poor episode all round and I can't in all fairness blame her when even Tennent wasn't firing on all cylinders. Liked the liberal propaganda stuff antifanboy. Made me laugh out loud. Sorry if you think I rant but I've really dug the re-vamped Who but Tate just isn't my cup of tea. So far its not stopped me watching but I can see me just leaving the PVR to record the whole series and me watching them sometime in the future. Tate has for me, stopped Who becoming essential, watching when I get back from work at midnight viewing to watching when nothing else is on viewing. Which is a shame cos I was really looking forward to series 4.
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3 for 3, Tate's character is much improved, the Sontarans next week, Moffat's Silence in the Library 2 parter on the horizon and one of the all time great Who characters reappearing towards the end of the series. What could possibly go wrong?
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I've just caught up on watching last night's ep. It was my least favourite one so far this season. There were some neat ideas regarding the Oods backstory but overall the story was patchy. The crane chase looked great though it was blatantly there to 'action up' the episode. Still, if this turns out to be my least favourite ep of the whole season then I'll be happy. Because like I say, Ood was good enough. Next week is clearly bound to be better. Sontarans, UNIT and Martha My Dear. I'll have to get back to submitting a review again for that.
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... the Doctor will regenerate into Richard Coyle, and Russell Davies will regenerate into Stephen Moffatt. Sigh. Just in it waiting for that two-parter now.
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Have horrible feeling that the changes made to Donna between Christmas special and now (smarter, wiser, more rounded, much deeper) are not just down to sorting out a poor character - I keep thinking she will not turn out to be what she seems. And that is really spoiling things for me at the minute.
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I hadn't thought of that. You could be on to something. Didn't someone mention about Donna having something on her back last week as part of a prophetic vision ?
Damn....you've got ME thinking again now.
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I don't think she's going to be an evil replacement. But she might have tracked down the Doctor in order to steal the TARDIS and change some specific thing in history... Did they mention her Dad dying in the first episode? Not sure what that would have to do with bees and planets disappearing. But I think Rose's universe will have a strange problem with increasing bee numbers...
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Back in the old show?, with the return of the daleks penned in for this series's end I would expect Donna's back issue to tie in with that? Last nights episode was another solid, if slightly uninspired story, so far series 4 has been a solid start but also quite formulaic, not much to further the Doctors character but a big well done over Donna's transformation from one off joke character into the best companion of the new show so far, besides Mickey. When she said she wanted to go home I was heartbroken for her and I really hope Tate does more that the one series. I do not think Tennant will regenerate this series though his alternative universe counterpart might?, maybe into Gethin Jones from Blue Peter? I am very excited to see how this series pans out but at only episode 3 I find myself wishing it was the series finale so I can see how it fits together, I hope this overshadowing, caused by the knowledge we have over you know who's return does not become the years arc too early on. Also yay for Martha back next week.
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There. I said it. She's gonna try and open up a can of fuckemup on the doctor, forcing him to regenerate. Also Sprach Zarathustra will play and the new doctor looks just like Ric Flair! The doctor says, "Whoooo!" and delivers a chop to the Rani's chest, struts back into the Tardis and heads to Charlotte North Carolina to open up a chain of Fish & Chips stores.
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Thats right bitches, make history with the first FEMALE doctor ( well except for that special).
Or MOSS ( Richard Ayoude sp?) as the first minority doctor.
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Wow. That would be amazingly weird. I need to see that!
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This regeneration business doesn't change sex, for goodness sakes.
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I saw the Raiders Reference right away, but since they mentioned it in the confidential. I didn't bother to mention it in my review.
As for Donna being the Rani, I bloody love that! I'm pretty sure the Doctor doesn't regenerate this year, Tennant has said he's signed on through 2010, which could be a rouse but I would be shocked if he left this season.
I think the reason they leave is two fold, one, it can typecast you pretty well, and two, for the amount of money you make, you work an entire year just to shoot and promote the series. It's very long and hard to shoot, which I boil down to poor planning and union rules.
It takes eight months to shoot thirteen episodes, instead of thirteen to twenty weeks. I know there's scope and it's huge, but still, if you could have an actor for half a year to keep them, then do it.
I would happily put up with a seven episode run if the Doctor's would stay around longer. Hell, bring CE back for seven episodes a year, then have McGann do seven, and then the next year let Tennent do seven and McCoy do seven.
The bee thing is just a hook into the Agatha Cristie episode with the giant bee. And trust me I'll be bitching about that like nobody's business. Bees, spiders and all exoskeleton creatures can't get to be huge, because the exoskeleton can't support a bug over two pounds. And thank god for that!
Finally, who remembers the Sontarons being wee folk? They looked well over four feet tall in the preview. Have they been to hobbiton lately? Just curious.
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The upcoming Agatha Christie episode is entitled "The Unicorn and the Wasp" -- and, yes, apparently features a giant wasp. But it is bees, not wasps, that are disappearing. AND BEES ARE NOT WASPS! Basic science, people.
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... i'ts another fucking big growth.. like the one on her face.
Maybe Davros will cut it off, nuture it and use it to create a new race of evil organic fuckers. But yes indeed, Donna COULD be the fucking Rani. Someone picked up the Masters ring at the close of Series 3... could it not have been the Rani? Is this some plan for her to bring the Master back? If indeed Davros IS making an appearance, it had bloody better well be the fucking most awesome 'who' in the history of the program. If they fuck Davros up by re-vamping/re-imagining/re-shit-kicking him, I'll cry. He was just about acceptable in 'Remembrance', albeit a little too weird. His skin was too flabby. The severed revolving head approach in 'revelation' was ok, but distracting, and non-threatening. I don't think theres any doubt that we want Davros back as a fucked-up, brilliant, crazy scientist from 'Genesis' - providing its a good story. And he's not 're-booted'. To be honest, I'll come clean. I just want another 'Genesis' quality, 'Genesis' style Davros story. Set on Skaro maybe - featuring Thals and Kaleds possibly... at least doing justice to the fantastic character. And lets have a vote, how many people would actually continue to watch if McCoy did become part of the show again? I certainly would.... -
You're Right it is a wasp and not a bee, my bad. Sorry! Still can't be that big... basic science.
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Davros (on Skaro): "Power such as that would set me up above the Gods!!"
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We just got to see the Christmas special and the season finale of Torchwood. I just feel guilty torrenting something that'll eventually be on (unlike Ashes to Ashes, which I'm happy to get, thanks to BBCA's wimpiness.)
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Ms Tate IS leaving at the end of this Season(series), she made that clear in an interview earlier this year. I hope that is what "Journey's End" is about. Not that I want to see her go.
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Planets are disappearing, too.
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Evelina: Doctor, thats your name.
Doctor: How did you know that?
Evelina: And you, you call yourself 'Noble'.
Mother: Now then Evelina, don't be rude!
Doctor: No no no, let her talk.
Evelina: You both come from so far away.
Lucius: The female soothsayer is inclined to invent all sorts of vaguearies.
Doctor: Oh, not this time...Lucius, I recon you've been out soothsayed!
Lucius: Is that so... man from Galifrey
Doctor: What?
Lucius: Strangest of images, where home is lost in fire, is it not?
Donna: Doctor, what are they doing?
Lucius: And you, daughter of... London.
Donna: How does he know that?
Lucius: It is the gift of Pompei, every single oracle tells the truth.
Donna: Thats impossible.
Lucius: Doctor she is returning.
Doctor: Who is? Whose she?
Lucius: And you, daugher of London, there is something on your back!
Donna: Whats that mean?
EvelinaL: Even the word 'Doctor' is false, your real name is hidden. It burns in the stars - In the Cascade of Medusa herself. You are a lord, Sir.. a Lord of Time.
Donna 'calls herself NOBLE'? Its her name. Anything else? "There is something on your back".... wtf? Medusa Cascade?
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In Fires of Pompeii, the Doctor said he couldn't go back and save the Time Lords. But the way he said it makes me believe he had tried, that it was one of those events that was "in flux" as in an event he could change, but when he tried, he couldn't which would suggest that Gallifrey (and Skaro) isn't just gone, it's been wiped from existence. The homeworld of the Time Lords is trapped in a place out side of time, possibly before the beginning of the universe, so no matter how far back it time he goes, he can't find Gallifrey and he can't warn the Time Lords. Gallifrey ending up outside of time would also help explain why the Time Lords couldn't forsee their own fate.
The reason I'm bringing this up is because of The Doctor's song coming to an end...if it is indeed a song of lonliness, then it may be a hint at a return of Gallifrey and Skaro. If I remember correctly, Skaro suffered the same fate as Gallifrey. The return of Davros may tie into the return of not only the Daleks, but Skaro as well, which would open the door for Gallifrey to return as well in the rumoured Time War special. -
A clue?
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Donna is the Rani and Rose will turn up end of series to stop her. You heard it here first...
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seem curiously quiet. As if most of them have realized she's doing a damned good job and no one cares to hear their mindless venom. She was excellent in the Pompeii episode, and fine in this one. Pity she's not giving you ammo for your complaining... because so many of you seem to be the types who only enjoy complaining and can't bring themselves to accept a show on its own right if it makes the unforgivable sin of not being exactly, precisely the version of the show you'd make if you were in charge. Which you never will be. Oh, and regarding some complaints last week about her gingerness... what the hell is this anti-redheaded thing about anyhow? That's a very strange, silly bias to have. (shrug)
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and the reason why we've stopped complaining is because we would simply be repeating ourselves as to why we hate the tate. The reasons remain. As everyone has said, she's wisely toned her 'thing' down since the christmas special - but the fact remains that there was very little reason to pick her to start with... aside from her annoying 'am i bovvered' show. I was very surprised when I actually felt myself giving a shit during her scenes in Pompei where she showed her yearning to go back and 'just save one!' I was surprised at her acting there. But shes got a lot to do to be worthy of WHO. And that rhymes. And the Doctor doesn't necessarily want SKARO gone... he had a greal deal of trouble just blowing the infant Daleks up in Genesis... I can't see him destroying the entire Thal and Kaled races too! Perhaps the whole moral aspect that seems to be playing a large role so far this series will have something to do with this later? For example, the adipose were just kids, and he didn't slaughter them.
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and the reason why we've stopped complaining is because we would simply be repeating ourselves as to why we hate the tate. The reasons remain. As everyone has said, she's wisely toned her 'thing' down since the christmas special - but the fact remains that there was very little reason to pick her to start with... aside from her annoying 'am i bovvered' show. I was very surprised when I actually felt myself giving a shit during her scenes in Pompei where she showed her yearning to go back and 'just save one!' I was surprised at her acting there. But shes got a lot to do to be worthy of WHO. And that rhymes. And the Doctor doesn't necessarily want SKARO gone... he had a greal deal of trouble just blowing the infant Daleks up in Genesis... I can't see him destroying the entire Thal and Kaled races too! Perhaps the whole moral aspect that seems to be playing a large role so far this series will have something to do with this later? For example, the adipose were just kids, and he didn't slaughter them.
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i.e. me. Oh and one more thing... anyone else interested to see the Doctor come to terms with the fall of Arcadia? Here's hoping.
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I suppose it's possible. I did think it was the Rani who picked up the Master's ring at the end of last series. Who knows? They've done weirder things.
I could also buy that Rose will become the mother of the new Timelords-- She's got the power within her, and it might be growing into something bigger. Hell, she brought Jack back to life as an immortal. She may be capable of bringing back Gallifrey as well.
Davros never really impressed me. He always came off as a bit too chatty. He could have beaten the Doctor a few times, but always goes into villain exposition mode, instead.
I agree that the whole "evil head of a company" theme is WAY overplayed on this series. What is it with U.K. writers? Are the bosses in England really so bad that "evil boss" could be it's own genre?
I would love to see McCoy back on the show, but I'm not sure how they'd pull that off. I loved his Doctor. But then, I was a big fan Colin Baker, too, and NOBODY seems to like the Sixth Doctor besides me.
A theory on the end of Gallifrey: With no other Timelords around (or at least, none we know of) it's entirely possible the Doctor has WAY more regenerations now. He's not limited by the "rules" anymore because there's no one to control it. Also, Timelords have shown a tendency to steal each others' regenerations, which might mean that if all the other Timelords are dead, the remaining Timelords get their regenerations by default.
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I don't think this was a "clue" or anything. This is REALLY HAPPENING in our world, right now. All the bees are disappearing, and it's a pretty big deal because they're sort of essential to our ecosystem.
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"Donna... you're.. you're the Rani?! I trusted you Donna. You used me?!" to which she will reply "Am I bovvered?" At which point Doctor Who changes genre, from Sci-fi to farce.
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are you American?
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And yes, they can even disappear, which would explain quite a bit.
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youtube the Tate woman... look for her 'show'... and then it'll all become clear
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A little goofy at the beginning with the Star Trek rocking back and forth on the TARDIS and Donna's costume change, then later more unnecessary screwdriver use and the Ood being able to transform the boss into one of their own didn't make a whole lot of sense (looked cool though), but overall I had a fun time with it. Donna talking into the ball was great as was the exchange about the Doctor's last encounter with the Ood ("It was the devil"). The "I want to go home" scene was also very well done. I'd say 3/5 is an appropriate score for this one.Also, weird bit of trivia: Reading through the talkback and being a newer Who fan, I didn't know who the Rani was so I wiki'd it only to find that the picture for the entry is of Rani Mukherjee, the famous Bollywood actress. I laughed, anyway...
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some good stuff, some ok.
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'Bovvered' is a bastardisation of the word 'bothered'. I thought that's what it meant, but, I wasn't sure. Oh, and BTw, I'm not "bovvered" by Ms Tate.
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I've enjoyed these last 3 episodes.The Ice planet was good,shame there were no warriors there,maybe next time..Bigguth=Yeah,you know it,that was a cheap move and I only have to wait till Tuesday,check this,http://tinyurl.com/3bj842 :)..Talking of cheap moves,To be the man you have to beat the man,I think you know the rest little man,Howard would be ashamed ;)..UltraMeerkat= I thought It would be cool if they did a little cough but there you go,I can imagine how that looked in silence,hope it didn't put you off your reps :).The Sontarons look quality,I'm looking foward to next week.http://tinyurl.com/4nqq6b.
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If he is then it doesn't necessarily mean the specials next year are false. He could regenerate at the end of this series and then have the special next years as one-off "missing adventures" from his time as the tenth Doctor. And with three specials planned that's one with each assistant. Then, Christmas special 2009, enter the new Doctor. Of course none of this answers who'd be in this year's Christmas special as, having seen the villains for it, it's not very easy to casually have a missing adventure. Well I guess it might be actually, just set it in the immediate aftermath of... SPOILERS...Doomsday and have the Doctor hunting down Cybermen not sucked through the void. We know not all of them were. It would also mean no companion which fits both the theory above and the Christmas special tradition of the past couple of years of having one-off companions. This is all guess work and it's probably way off but I'm just glad the Christmas special this year has iconic villains. Of course it would be even better if they did a two hour TV movie about the Time War but you can't have everything.
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It's nice to see some ex-Tate haters actually seeing some sense and praising a fine companion. Things I loved: the claw chase scene, the scene with Donna first laying eyes on the Ood in the snow, the bit at the end where our villain 'changes', the brilliantly realised CGI Planet wideshots.... there was a lot to commend about this week's episode and more than some are letting on. This episode together with last week's marks a definite feel of 'classic' Who in many respects, i.e. the cliff hanger type scenes right down to the whole idea of slavery and human's involvement/exploration of humans as flawed beings.
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I know all actors get tired of sci-fi roles over time but when Tennant's Doctor bites it and regenerates into #11, will we all believe in the show a little less - like when T2 took over Mulder's spot on the X-Files?
Did anyone else expect The Doctor to say "Bless you" or "Gesundheit" when Halpen sneezed out his Ood brain?
I think Rose's return has to go with her link to the Heart of the Tardis. It's probably strong enough to keep her linked from one dimension to the next. It's not a hole between existences but a thread between her and the Tardis.
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I just thought it was weaker than it needed to be. A few less characters would have been better I think. I'm not in the Donna hating crowd, I do think she should get that mole removed though. It's sort of distracting, particularly when her tear ran right down her face and off the mole.
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Apr 20, 2008 7:09:28 PM CDT
Just like certain people coming back wasn't THAT big a secret
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Just like certain-people-coming-back wasn't THAT big a secret, the fact that Tennant is leaving "unexpectedly" at the end of the season is supposed to be a secret too.
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I noticed that there was a lot of little things going on in the choices of background themes in this episode, although I don't feel I quite caught it all. I wonder if the talk of "songs" might be rather literal - foreshadowing the changing of musical themes in the show (not that it can't also be story foreshadowing).
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Not anywhere near annoying. Matter of fact, I liked quite a few of her moments this week. Not too shabby.
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the ood is a utter ripoff neil blomkamp alive in joberg seriously.
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Ha! Loved it! Nice link, man...thanks!
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Hang on a minute - all this talk of 'Uber Rose' with her Time Vortex powers and we're forgetting the reason the ninth Doctor died was that he absorbed all of that energy out of her to stop her from dying. Thus she CAN'T still have the powers can she? And the Doctor expelled the energy back into the vortex, along with the odd trail shooting out of his mouth in the Christmas Invasion.
Thus I'm sticking with the theory that the Doctor will venture back into Rose's universe as it succums to the raging Dalek army lead by everyone's favourite. Wasn't there a theory that Stephen Moffat's museum story was about them unearthing Davros in a library? Oh we should just ignore these spoilers and just enjoy it! But I can't, soon as it says **SPOILERS** I can feel my finger hovering over the mouse, 'go on click Steven, click, click, click.'
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It was ok- not as good as pompeii, but light years better than Partners in Crime. Not a lot to criticise, and not a lot to get excited about, just totally average.
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The doctor picks up a book, and underneath it is Davros!! He's been hiding under a book for 20 years. That evil genius.
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We can assume she has some residual link with the TARDIS from what happened to her, so perhaps the reason she's 'ghosting' around with a sullen look on her face is because she's being pulled along with the TARDIS through time and space without the Doctor's knowledge? It would explain why she was there so briefly, leaving just after the TARDIS did.
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'he' is accurate if they are sexless or asexual. Look it up :)
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"They evolved a brain outside of their body? What sense does that make? And because they have two brains they must have a 3rd? WTF? I also really hate when they have people traveling between galaxies. Do people have any idea just how far away the nearest galaxy is?" Listen mate, maybe you should just give up on science fiction altogether and stop trying to apply Newtonian physics to things which don't necessarily use them.
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I'm sure another Galaxy is much easier to get to than the year 300 trillion, or whatever it was in 'Utopia'. But you're right, its all impossible. Which makes it stupid right? So... from this day on, the only film I am gonna watch, is the CCTV footage from the security cameras in my local shopping center. Because everything that happens in that IS REAL. And thats whats important right.
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Just for Seph there is now the gritty Urban drama "chav watch". This groundbreaking series is cobbled together exclusively from CCTV footage. Be prepared for the heatbreak as the litte pierced gothette has her heartbroken by the local teenage dreamboat. Gasp in fear as the fat kid gets knocked down and happy slapped by local gang of hardmen "the hoodies", laugh at the crazy antics of 5 boys hiding from truancy officers, cry as little petunia is denied the Top Shop miniskirt of her dreams by her mother (because she's 8).....New to ITV4
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Great pitch jarv. Make sure you only use footage from motionless surveillance cameras... not those motorised ones which turn around - because the movement of the camera might not be naturalistic enough. And do you know just how difficult it is to turn your head at the same speed at a motorised CCTV camera? jccalhoun does. So we don't want any of that, thanks.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/ classic/episodeguide/ dalekhistory2.shtml
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There was bugger all controversial in it, and it wasn't exactly edge of the seat stuff. It was all just meh. Hence resorting to chavwatch for laughs.
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That's because next season of TORCHWOOD will feature the Ood oral-sexing women to death all over Earth as a couple of them come through a time/space rift and land in Cardiff. Those tentacles! The orgasmic fury! John Barrowman rimmed by the Cthulhoid horrors! 1001 gay things to do to/with a Shoggoth! The horror... The horror...
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I avoid Torchwood like the plague anyway.
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Re-watched a few series 2 episodes yesterday: London 2012 Olympics story... the little girl sits in her room singing "Laugh, cucooburrugh GAY your life may be"
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I'd be more concerned about the new lifeform growing on her face. Fucking minger.
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Maybe I missed this piece of information, but did any of the episodes ever deal with their being an alternate Doctor in the universe Rose is currently trapped? Torchwood was established because of The Doctor/Werewolf incident (at least in 'this' universe). If a Torchwood exists in an alternate dimension, is there the possibility of Rose making contact with another Doctor?
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I don't think it nessesarily indicates she has power now, For the ten seconds that she was the full blown Bad Wolf godess, she could see the whole of time and influence it pretty strongly. I mean she scattered that Bad Wolf graphitti all across time and made Captain Jack immortal for the purpose delivering the YANA message to the doctor in the distant future. It seems totaly posible to me that, during her brief moment of power she could pretty much do whatever she wanted with time, including watch or visit with people at her leisure.
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man. If you can't find something to pull your heartstrings in that episode, you aint got a heart.
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Because I was unlucky enough to see that episode the other day when I was waiting for the wife to get ready. Maybe it's because I missed so much Torchwood (and I'm more than prepared to concede that this is the case, but I don't watch things I hate), but I'd use that episode as the perfect example of shallow, trite, hackneyed crap. Especially with that little cute bird's message from beyond the grave. I nearly puked laughing. Oh and why did they not kill of that Welsh pig? they could have kept the attractive cast member and got rid of both Crazy Frog and that minger in one fell swoop. Sorry about the lack of character names, but it's because I don't give enough of a fuck about it.
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I love that! Maybe We'll see the eighth or doctor in an alt. dimension where the the time war never occured and therefore never regenerated into the ninth doctor.
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I just watched the last six minutes of Casablanca. What a crap-fest, lots of bullshit hemming and hawing about whether she's going to get on the plane or not. Then the dude from the maltese falcon points a gun at the invisible man to make sure the plane gets away, like I care. Then for some stupid reason this nazi guy shows up and the invisible man shoots him. Then, he and the maltese falcon guy walk of talking about how they're best friends forever! SO GAY! Worst movie ever.
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tone is more like the first or second season than the third. I got that impression from the Voyage of the Damned too. It seemed very like the End of the World episode from the third season.
BTW love the heavenly hosts. And the Captain got way too little screen time. And that historian guy would've made a good companion, I agree. Would have made an interesting dynamic for a few episodes. Liked Astrid too, but not as much as Rose or Martha.
Colorful settings and characters, lots of future world details, but lacking the focus of the season three episodes. The tension of 42 the, the desperation of Lazarus in The Lazarus experiment, the claustrophstraphobic Gridlock, the creepy Blink and the sad and creepy Family of Blood two parter, plus the epic hree part finle. The pacing seemed more controlled and centered more on the story and characters in each episode. Just struck me thinking back to that season. Voyage of the Damned did have some pretty awesome guest actors.
BTW Anyone noticed scenes in the three part final on BBCA that weren't in the Scifi channel showing, and more surprisingly vice versa. For instance the Doctor didn't express surprise at the Master being married in the BBCA showing, but the Master didn't mention how he helped design the Aircraft carrier where brought the Tardis in the US version. And I don't think Martha explained about still having the perception filter whil walking the Earth in the Scifi showing. Looking forward to Martha and the Sontarans. Glad it will be relatively early on that we'll see her. -
Apr 21, 2008 9:37:02 AM CDT
And I agree about the evil rich guy. Too much already
by crichtonastronut
And they never got better than Henry Van Staten anyway.
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*SPOILAGE - DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPOILAGE!*
And there I was thinking it was just one missed opportunity. Sure, for once I DIDN'T want to throw a brick at my telly when that smugly (smug AND ugly) twat Owen (a ding-ding ding-ding ding) was talking to Tosh about being about to die, and then he ruined it with that hackneyed, pretentious speech about "Raah! Why wouldn't I want to rage my way into oblivion?". Wanker. Tosh finally showed some chracter - which is probably why they had her killed off - we can't have character development in TW, can we? That would so go against the grain, what with a leading actor who can't act, can't emote, and sure as shit can't develop a character! We can't have character development in TORCHWOOD - why else would we keep Captain Jack alive?!?!?
The impressive death scenes aside, it was a shit decision to have Capt John go goody at the end (oh, not at ALL like Spike, then) and even shittier to keep Gray alive. And Ianto STILL hasn't been chopped up and turned into firewood!
TORCHWOOD is visual slash fiction for the girls / gay guys who fancy Captain Jack and Spike from Buffy. Everything else this season has been window dressing. It's wankshite and doesn't deserve the money being spent on it. Not when FIREFLY doesn't get past a first season, and manages to be more entertaining in one episode than two entire seasons of TORCHWEAK... -
Derek Jacobi in anything he does. But John Simm did a sort of Caligula in I, Claudius thing with the Master that was ust scary cool in a whole different way. Gotta have some love for that too.
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It's a map to all the missing bees. The final Doctor Who of the season? Well, yeah I think it's not that the Doctor can't save Galifrey, it's that he won't, he's scared, that much was obvious from the episode. The finale will have him surrender to his fate and bring back the Timelords but at the cost of his life, maybe at the cost of all his remaining regenerations, oh man wouldn;t it be beautiful and heartbreaking to see him die, regenerate, then plunge into the fire and die again, then another, and another. The bummer is reversing the Time war would also bring back the Daleks. You want a decent cliffhanger on top of that? How about all the companions fighting desperately to save the Doctor and then failing. He's gone, really gone. The next couple of Who's will have the remaining companions alone in the Tardis, much like the Scooby Gang soldiering after Buffy died. Tennant can return of course, in flashback, in dream sequences, in hologram form. So what then? Well, the Timelords are back, take your pick, this stuff practically writes itself.
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See- I knew that it was my fault for only watching the end- and I'd have missed it usually. Yup, I'll concede that one.
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So, The Doctor says that a race of "helpers" could not have evolved. And yet, we're meant to accept that a race of incredibly nice, hairless/furless aliens who - for some ridiculous reason - carry their brains in their hands would evolve on a hostile ice planet. Yeah....
Wow, this was a weak episode.
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just wondering because you guys seem a bit ambiguous on that point. Can't quite tell which side of the fense your on. Defintitely, getting the "don't give a fuck" vibe from from the dozens of posts everday about Doc Who and Torchwood, it's clear these trifles have no importance in your world. Just like we can clearly the folks who have no strong feeelings for or against homosexuality from the way they can talk about and apperently see nothing else in the world.
Here's a thought, if you didn't even like the finale, time to call it quits, it'll never the seriesyou want it to be. Then again you have to worry about what those fictional gays will get up to with your back turned. Kinda Scarry. Like weeping Angels Don't look away. Don't even Blink -
...not series 30. The production team made a deliberate decision to start the series numbers from scratch, in order to avoid alienating new viewers. Oh, and everyone in the UK press (and the public) refers to it as "the fourth series of the revived Doctor Who".
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with David Tennate last night. When someone answered a personals ad Norton put up David the Doctor or something. And a guy answered named Derek and said he'd be the Master to David's Doctor. Don't know if that was an intentional reference to Derek Jacobi or when the episode first aired but it was kind of funny.
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getting canceled without even one full season.
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I don't think the series woul have to be worse with a new Doctor. i had thought they'd have hard time finding better than Eccelston and that the series would go down hill in the second season without him. But Damned if Tennate didn't flat own the role. And the next guy might take the role in a whole new and just as brilliant direction. Hell, Martha stepped in well for Rose, sounds like Donna's proving the Taters wrong. Doc Who's never been afraid to shake things up castwise and so far it's worked for them.
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not good. not bad. okay. certainly was hoping for good.
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A few points of clarity, and I can't speak for Spud.1) I rarey post on Torchwood, and if I do it is to reply to someone else- in this case, you. I don't watch it as a rule. I do care about Dr. Who, and if you look at the posts- the vast majority of them concern Who.2) I haven't posted this week on the Gay Agenda as there is no sign of it this series(I don't think it is as all pervasive as spud), and mostly I just like debating Smashing. In fact, my biggest complaint about last series of Dr. Who wasn't the gay stuff it was the soap opera nature of a lot of it- especially Martha mooning after the Doctor like some lovesick puppy. 3)I've already conceded that it is probably because I didn't watch the series that I thought it was trite, hackneyed garbage. I will therefore, continue with my policy of avoiding it.
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BadWolf. It'll just be there all season everyone sees no one talks about it, then in the first f the three part finale, it'll jump ff her face and reveale itself as Davros reborn.
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There's only been a couple of moments that she's pissed me off. If they keep Tate's horrible fishwife tendencies down for the rest of the series then I will be happy to admit I was completely wrong.
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myself to faces. Long live the Dalek's.
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scary thought. And there was me thinking it was a wart. Because witches have warts. It's true.
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Just get tire of negativity. Seems to be a lot of it on this site, more than on other sites. A lot of anger about various things in various takbacks. Not any one talkbacker specifically but the accumulated affect just grates on my nerves sometimes. Don't mean to offend. I love Torchwood think it's a brilliant complimet to Doc Who, anyone who doesn't, that's cool, I just hope you all have or find something you do love.
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Was about to launch into a rant about what TBs are really here for, then read this last post. If you love TORCHWOOD, that's cool, it's your opinion, and as the Voltaire said, I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it. Yeah, Jarv and I think it sucks, for various reasons, but really, isn't that what these Talkbacks are for? Venting, both the good AND the bad? I do get confused by those folks who think TBs should al be sweetness and light - not that that's what I think YOU'RE saying, but a lot do. Yeah, I'm negative probably more than I'm positive, but hey, that's how I roll. Pity the Mrs McSpud ;p
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looking forward to the and definitely looking forward to Martha coming back. I've only seen Voyage of the Damned so far and I already miss her. Love to see the rest of team UNIT.
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It was nice to see the Doc on another planet. They used to do that in the old days, except not as much during Pertwee's run(for obvious reasons). Catherine Tate is still palatable, at least. Not my favorite companion of all time, but much better than expected. And, thank God she's not in love with him like every other companion as of late. POO might be the best ep of the season for me. Kind of waivers between POO and Fires of Pompeii. I see that some are not quite pleased with the episode. It was no Satan Pit, or Mysterious Planet, but I thought it was better than average for the new program. Sure there are the usual liberal cliches, some of which ring true, and others which come from the old generalization hand-book. That's what true-believer liberals AND conservatives do. Either way, it was nice to see Percy Darling. As an American viewer, I've only been exposed to his work in Blackadder. Always loved him. And, I thought he did a fine job. Despite various nitpicks, I'd have to say this episode felt sort of new/old school to me. And, that's what I want. The bridge from new to old Who. Take the best of new and old, and throw out the other crap. I'm excited about the return of the Sontarrans. I was told by an American Doc Who convention panelist that the Sontarrans were (supposedly) going to be in place of the Slitheen in the World War III two-parter, but there was a rights issue. I think former who script editor/writer, Robert Holmers, owns the rights to the Sontarrans. The Judoon were okay, but the Sontarrans would have been much better in that ep, as well. Here's hoping RTD and company can deliver the Sontarran goods. Hoping they'll channel Lynx performance from the Time Warrior. Here's hoping for good things ahead. The last two ep's have washed the bad taste of the Adipose episode out of my mouth.
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Apr 21, 2008 12:52:22 PM CDT
I had to laugh when I saw the part of the season three
by crichtonastronut
where Martha said she thought he was gonna say the Master was his long lost brother and he said she watched too much tv. Wonder if they had the Torchwood finale in mind then.
Is the Torchwood talk spoiling anybody? I was pretty sure Americans were pretty much the last peeople on Earth getting to see it.
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Eeks. Here's hoping, here's hoping, hoping, hoping. Not to mention some left out words. But, you get the point. WHoever called out for UNIT, I totally agree. And, not some politically-correct UNIT, but some good old Lethbridge-Stewart/Sgt. Benton alien ass-kicking. Unless there's a reasonable non-violent solution to the problem. Is this morbid fan-boy rambling, or what? I would prefer a (nothing new under the sun)story with the return of UNIT in which the retired Brig is called into advise because of his past experience. He and the Doc team up one more time, but the Brig snuffs it in the end to save the world, or something. Hell, Sgt. Benton should be Sgt. Major Benton by now. hehe Nicholas Courtney is every bit of late 70's/early 80's, so I'm not sure how he'd look these days. But, Moffat, or somebody is more than welcome to make something of my sh*tty idea.
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Colour me gobsmacked. Stop making fun of Tate's mole, its childish and demeans us all as men to belittle a ladies looks.
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Very funny, he just found out Turk had a testicle removed and never told him, cue Tate face.
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More militaristic and large scale than Torchwood, sort of like MI-5 with aliens. I've said before that I thought Sean Pertwee would make a cool sucessor to Coutney lethbridge Stewart. if you don't know who Sean Pertwee is, check out the early episodes of Brother Cadfael from the old PBS days, he played Cadfael's friend and official authority of the region Hugh Berenger. Cadfael BTW was played by Derek Jacobe awesome series if you've not seen it. Anyway, Sean Pertwee would be brilliant as a hard nosed by the book officer set against a strange universe that tends to throw the book out the window. Still think the idea could have legs, definitely with Moffat writing it.
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mole or not. I just get weird ideas.
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he should wear that magician outfit wih the cape that Jon Pertwee had in his first episode. Or that one the Master was wearing before he went to the aircraft Carrier.
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by Robert Holmes you'd kno you in for something cool as hell. a lot of writers contributed a lot of great stuff over the decades, everytime he was in the credits robert holmes delivered the goods. Stil remember Time Warrior what an intro for Sarah Jane. And I loved the interaction between the Sontaran and the barbarian leader.
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Almost spat out my sandwich when I read
" I mistook the unprocessed Ood's secondary brain as an external testicle. They certainly looked like one."
I don't think I'll be able to watch that episode again with them cradling them in their hands.
Thanks for the comment DamnMichaelBay will just have to wait and see if there are bees in the finale or if your just an overreacting twat.
Would love to see the Brig back but unfortunatly it's up to RTD and I'm not holding my breath.
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I love reading them all like bringing back Galifrey and the Brig. Tate being the Rani or being possesed by a giant spider.
RTD should have a quick read through here and he might get some better ideas.
And for the record:
Sarah Jane Adventures = Good
Torchwood = Getting better
Doctor Who = Great
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As for Tate as the Rani, I'm not so sure. It's an interesting plot twist to have a companion become the villain, but I don't know if she's right for the part. Either way, Tate's definately less annoying than she was in Runaway Bride. Don't have cable at the moment, so I haven't seen any Torchwood or Sara Jane ep's. My friend downloads the Who's for me, but I hesitate to have him download two or three other programs each week. Which reminds me...I still have six or seven of last year's Battlestar's too watch, and all of the new ones. I've already had two big spoilers, and somebody mentioned another in this forum. Oh well. It's only a tv show.
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I take objection to the fact that, if we comment on a Tate's mole as something other than attractive, that it's, and I quote, "childish and demeans us all as men to belittle a ladies looks".
No it doesn't, if we did that with our girlfriends or wives, then YES it does, but this is a TV star, a (god forbid) celebrity, she has CHOSEN to put herself out into the public eye, and gets both fame and wealth from it, so she is damn well going to hear it from me about that thing on her face.
To quote Uncle Buck, "Here's a quarter, why do you go downtown and find a rat to chew that thing off your face". If your famous, and your doing it by choice, then you damn well going to get ridiculed for something that's no more than a fifteen minute visit in a doctor's office.
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not to return as a companion but as a guest character.
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where I'd heard it before.
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Check it out Kelvington I was joking. I am tired of the "they put themselves in the spotlight so I can bitch them out" argument though. If you wanna act like a dog then at least own it, having celebrity does not automatically mean someone is fair game for demolition. That is just how you see it. Attacking someones looks is a sign of self insecurity anyway uggo.
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...is that Firefly got cancelled?
Typical Whedon fan. If Joss didn't shit it out of his cranium, then you don't like it, and if he did write it, you think he was the originator and not a hack plagiarist-- which he is. All he does is rehashes other peoples' ideas for nostalgia points and throws in a few dated pop culture references to keep the kids entertained. I'll kindly ask you to keep your fanwank for Joss to a minimum in this talkback, as we got quite enough of Browncoats and Scoobies drooling like obsessive drones all last year when Herc was totally ignoring the Whoniverse to bring us more news about Joss holding press conferences, Joss having a reunion with an actor from Buffy, or Joss taking a shit and calling it Emmy™ Award-Winning piece of creative development.
I happen to like Torchwood. I'm not a girl (and really, how can anyone call us girls when they defend fucking BUFFY, the queen of all 14-year-old girl slash-fuel shows?) and I'm not queer. I just like my SciFi characters to do a bit more than throw groovy catch-phrases at each other ("Big bad"? Gag me.) and actually GO OUT and do something instead of standing around in a library shooting snarky banter around the room like a deflating balloon.
You gripe about the "gay" thing in Torchwood and then you defend Buffy? Where pretty much every major character is apparently coming out the closet as the story progresses?
Dude. Go bag on Torchwood in one of the gajillion Whedon talkbacks that Herc likes to post. Here, you've done nothing to sway my opinion of either Torchwood or Buffy, and have pretty much reinforced my image of Whedon fans being pretentious, deluded, rude little obsessive dorks who wouldn't know an decent story if it were shoved up their ass and sprouted needles.
At first, I just "didn't like" Buffy and Firefly, but thanks to Whedon's insane, pushy fans, I absofuckinglutely HATE them now. in my book, Whedonites are a notch below weeaboos and furries on the social scale.
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fan of Firefly and Serenity. Don't get me wrong, Buffy and Angel weren't too bad. Those programs just aren't my genre. As for pop culture references...yes, there were more than a few. Doctor Who does a little too much of that(these days) for my taste. Seems to work better in Buffy, or Kevin Smith films. Not in Doctor Who so much. Back to my original post...while I'm not really a Buff or Angel fan, I absolutely loved Firefly and Serenity. Not calling it new and original, but it was a lot of fun to watch. I loved the way all of those characters formed one big dysfunctional family. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, but I happen to include Firefly, Farscape, and the new Battlestar Galactica among some of the best science fiction, or science fantasy programs. Pretty close to original Trek, TNG, DS9, Bab 5(well, some of the characters, and seasons 1-4 at least), original Doctor Who, Blake's 7, etc. On a side note, rude fans seem to exsist in every nook and cranny. From SW prequel-haters to liberal vs. conservative arguments in Star Trek and Doctor Who, etc. Believe me. As a conservative-friendly, libertarian sort of guy it's easy to piss off some of the typical sci-fi politico's. Then again that can be said about the conservative side from time to time, as well. That is all.
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RTD stated on the DVD commentary for Last of the Time Lords that the hand that picked up the Master's ring at the end was indeed The Rani's. It's official. It's canon. She IS back. And it could well be Donna Noble...
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however I don't think most people would. The majority of people watching Doctor Who probably wouldn't know who the Rani is. They would feel cheated when the reveal occured. Like.."how the fuck are we supposed to know that Donna was The Rani..... what the fuck is A RANI?". And that WOULD alienate audiences (excuse the pun).
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is that it fucks around with continuity that RTD has established. If the current doctor is the last of the Timelords then you should stick to this and not have other Gallifreyans pitch up because you need an idea. Fuck it, why not bring back Romana as a companion or whatshername that was the Doctor's granddaughter? Personally, I think they painted themselves into a bit of a corner with the whole last of the timelords thing. I don't mind Gallifrey being irredeemably totalled, but it strikes me as quite a cool idea to have several rogue and good timelords tooling about the universe.
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part of Interstellar/ time police force. So maybe not. Regarding the Unit thing: I think it is a great idea. However, I also think that this is where a lot of my disappointment with Torchwood comes from- when it was originally announced that is what I thought it was going to be. Then I saw the casting and alarm bells started ringing. Then I watched a few and..... So give us a more gung-ho action based unit (don't cast Sean Pertwee) with more asskicking and less sex.
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I heard it was JOanna Lumley who is going to play the Rani.
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Good to see ya! Been wondering where you've been this Talkback.
If we're going to get into this, at least have the courtesy to read what I say! Nowhere EVER have I copped to being an absolute everything-he-does-is-fried-gold Whedon fan. I thopught BUFFY TV was okay for its time, not great, but I see why it broke new ground when it first came out. In fact, Herc may well bust a gut at this:
I PREFER KRISTY SWANSON'S BUFFY (AND THE MOVIE ITSELF) TO THE TV SHOW!!!
Whole other argument. I thought ANGEL was a great improvement on BUFFY, but still - you're right, at times, it felt like being a parent watching a bunch of your kid's friends talking and throwing 'cool' phrases around (using 'cool' very advisedly), but at times, it was fantastic. FIREFLY to me is so far above all the other Joss Whedon stuff, it's in another league. If you're going to generalise, get it right first time.
If you don't get my problems with TORCHWOOD by now, give up - you'll never have the capacity to understand. As for FIREFLY and SERENITY, see tylermo's statement above - that's pretty much my view on all this, that the FIREFLY universe has thrown up some of the most exciting sci-fi in years, if not decades. It's a romp - a big old chase show with smart-mouthed (but steely hearted) captains, cowardly but skilled pilots, a naive engineer, a dishonest doctor, a preacher who is also good with a gun... It's the Wild West in space! How can you NOT love that?
If I may generalise, Zero...
Sometimes it seems like the only reason you DO like TORCHWOOD is because it's sci-fi for the gay community. Leaving aside the argument that surely the main ingredient (or at least the first consideration) in a sci-fi script should be sci-fi, can you SERIOUSLY argue that the writing in TORCHWOOD is better than anything by Whedon?
It wasn't a Whedon show that began with a team of alien-hunters so secret that even the Government and the police have no jurisdiction over them, than no-one is supposed to know they exist... except Ianto, who follows Jack back because he fancies him. So Jack makes no attempt to hide his whereabouts, doesn't notice he's being followed, doesn't mind Ianto breaching national security because there might be a shag in it for him...
Said it before, said it again: if every time Mulder & Scully entered the office you saw Skinner banging away at some young male FBI intern, THE X-FILES wouldn't have the same kind of gravitas it had. It would be CARRY ON UP THE X-FILES. If you want a camp, stupid sci-fi show, either petition Alex Raymond to replace the current FLASH GORDON with a weekly version of the Sam J Jones 1980 epic, or watch TORCHWOOD. The rest of us expected what we were told it would be - an edgy, darker take on the Who universe. What we GOT was CARRY ON CARDIFF crossed with QUEER AS ALIENS. And the gay community are so out and proud in the BBC that they didn't even have the balls to promote TORCHWOOD for what it is - the first sci-fi show aimed at the gay community first, and the heteros second. They push it as the DR WHO / X-FILES, and give us PREDATOR VS SKINS. The writing is childish, there's no continuity in character development, there are some RIDICULOUS mistakes in it (a SECRET team's SECRET van actually has the TORCHWOOD logo and loads of flashing blue neon on it?!?!?) and some Godwaful sofa-bitingly cringeworthy moments (Captain Jack's Batman helicopter shot as he stands on the building in S1 E1? Fucking RIDICULOUS!).
TORCHWOOD doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. People willl be watching and buying the FIREFLY / SERENITY DVDs long after TW has died. And I doubt, very much, if there are enough TW fans to force the Beeb to release a theatrical TORCHWOOD movie.
Why don't you stop hinting at the "Spud's a homophobe 'cos he doesn't like gay sci-fi" angle for a minute, and actually give ME some reasons as to why TORCHWOOD is better than FIREFLY, without resorting to throwing insults around like a spoilt child, ZC? -
and I've never seen Firefly/ Serenity. But I would like to hit Whedon with a big fucking stick for his Alien Resurrection script.
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It's a masterpiece. Where else would you get a highly trained RSC thesp, a future James Bond, Topol, and the Fucking Exorcist mangling some of the worst dialogue ever written whilst wearing spandex and plastic? It's great on every level and is one of my top 3 "watch when drunk" movies. I fucking love it. So don't be insulting it or I'll set the boreworms on you.
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NO, JARV! NOT THE BORE-WORMS! ;D
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Personally loving Donna as a different type of companion, challenging the Doctor and in turn delighted then terrified at what she finds out there in the Universe. I like how abrasive she is towards some people and situations (eg. the sexism in Pompeii, her reaction when she is about to get speared by the soothsayers etc.) I am looking forward to her interactions with Martha and Rose and I am betting she will admonish them for fawning over the Doc like doe-eyed teenagers when there is a planet that needs saving.
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"Flash I love you, but we've only got 14 hours to save the Earth"
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Just rewatched FLASH GORDON 1980 two nights ago, and it's still as fantastic as I remembered. It had a real lurid comic book feel - the contrast being that as STAR WARS mined all these mythic themes and archetypes, FG really was CARRY ON MONGO! I mean, how can you NOT love a movie where the main bad guy is called Ming the Merciless, ruler of Mongo?!?
Nah, there's so much to love about that movie. Apparently it was SUPPOSED to be camp and silly, which I always assumed was just a side-effect of bad film-making. It was the last great sexist SF movie - what does Dale Arden really do in that film? - and had a likeable lunkheaded lead! Topol doesn't so much chew the scenery as swallow it whole, and Peter Wyngarde is great as Klytus. Dalton and Blessed boom and resonate as only two great Shakespearean actors can - FLASH GORDON rocks in so many ways, it's just awesome. GORDON'S ALIIIIVE!!!
FIREFLY, if you haven't seen it, is basically the Wild West in space. There are a lot of nice incidental touches - the frequent use of Chinese in the script, indicating the Chinese colonised the frontier worlds at the same time or even ahead of the Americans; the whole make-it-up-as-we-go feel of the thing; the blatant similarities between Nathan Fillion's character Mal Reynolds and a certain Han Solo - and some beautifully realised second-tier characters (Adam Baldwin as Jane and Alan Tudyk as Wash stand out for me. And I am greatly in love with Gina Torres as Zoe). It's tightly plotted, the SFX are exceptional for the budget they had (take a deserved bow, ZOIC) and it's just completely involving. If you need a taster before splashing out on the box set, SERENITY was simultaneously a recap, a retelling and an ending to the series - it complements rather than finishes it. Chiwetel Ejiofor is incredible as the bad guy The Operative, and the film as a whole is the space opera epic we all wished the STAR WARS prequels could've been. Just watch the battle between the Operative, Serenity and the Reavers - easily as good as anything in SITH, but for a fraction of the price.
Agreed on ALIEN RESURRECTION, though in fairness to Joss, the final script was so unlike his original that he fought to get his name taken off the script but the studio over-ruled him. Google Whedon's script and give it a read - no classic, but better than the movie. I still think the wooden monks planet would've been the most interesting script to go with for ALIEN 3, but that's just me.
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Apparently they are called tears. They're a sign of their weakness.
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I'm a scientist... I've spent my entire life trying to fill it!
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Open fire! All weapons! Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!
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Ah. I'm wrong. Controversial, but...
It's definitely BARBARELLA. Erasure are STILL wearing outfits resembling those in that movie, and YES I know Jane Fonda got a lot of men watching that movie, but tell me that angel isn't a great big gay icon! Or the DuranDuran's machine, that kills you with an overdose of orgasms (which the blatant hussy then destroys through her boundless libido)? And the bright psychedelic lighting? DEFINITELY the first gay sci-fi movie ever! -
There must be something from earlier than that. What you mean is "camp", but perceptions of kitsch change with time. I'm going to go and look it up now, or maybe Smashing could tell us. " I like to play with things a while... before annihilation. "
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Anyone who has not seen the series or movie should put the DVDs!!! But, if you want to blame anyone for the show being canceled, blame the american tv network, FOX, The head jerks think they're hot stuff and cancel show without giving them a chance.
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to the really rather rude person who had a go at someone for thinking the bees disappearing was a foreshadow, actually they do know why bees are dying out you moron. so if yer gonna shout down someone get your facts straight damnedmichaelbay or whatever yer name was. Why are people so quick to be rude on websites?
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That's an interesting question. "Cat-Women of the mooon" comes to mind, as does "Devil girl from mars", but with those, it's only implied.(IMO)
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Tate is not as annoying as everyone was predicting. That portent of doom line from the Ood was rather chilling I think. I enjoyed this episode
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Nice to see Flash 1980 remembered. Admittedly, I was 9 or 10 when I saw it in the theater, so my opinion was not as harsh. Despite being one of the greatest cheesy flicks of all time, it's still a personal favorite. 1980 was also the year for another cheesy great...Cannonball Run! How could you not love Dom Deluise as Captain Chaos? But anyway, back to Flash. I remember a GQ magazine article with Timothy Dalton(just before the release of his first Bond film-The Living Daylights). This passage was the best....GQ: "Let's talk Flash Gordon." TD: "Let's not." I understand his point of view as an actor, but it's a shame. Despite some of the horrid scripting, Dalton was actually quite good. (I realize the very mention of Dalton and Bond will start an argument. And, for the record, I loved him in the role-especially in the Living Daylights) Then again, all of the British actors were great in Flash. ANd, not to mention that Italian dish (Ornela Muti). Topol was hammier (if not bad) than Shatner(in ST:TMP), but enjoyable to watch. The American casting was the downfall. Melody Anderson is wonderful in person, and I have yet to meet Sam J. Jones, but actors they weren't. Not in that film, at least. The script was written by Lorenzo Semple, Jr. YOu may remember him from the old Batman film and/or series. That explains a great deal about the cheesy script. Semple always wrote great shit. For example: Batman and Robin are magnetically-stuck to a water buoy. A torpedo is coming at them from the Penguin's submarine. How will they escape?? *explosion* Cut to Batman and Robin in the Bat boat. (paraphrasing from memory)Robin: "Gosh, Batman. The nobility of the almost human porpoise." Batman: "Yes, Robin. It was indeed brave of that animal to hurl itself into the path of that final torpedo. He gave his life for ours." Need I say more? hehe On the topic of Firefly and Serenity...one would have hoped for better box office for Serenity, but the general public just didn't know Firefly existed. Then again, major networks shouldn't place potentially great programs on Friday night. Not in this day and age. Friday night was tv gold back in the days of Dukes of Hazzard, the Hulk, and Dallas, but those days are over. Short of cable programs like Battlestar, Stargate, or Farscape when it was still on. If the box office gross had been significantly better for Serenity, maybe something would have panned out. But, I suspect that's a nearly lost opportunity. :-( That was worse than the loss of Farscape. Don't get me wrong, I love Farscape as much or more than Firefly, but FS got most of it's proposed 5 year run, and was given a chance to wrap things up with a decent mini-series. All FF got was 13 wonderful episodes, and a good movie. Makes me think back to Freaks and Geeks on NBC which only got 18 episodes(started on Friday nights initially) tsk tsk tsk But, all 18 ep's were fantastic. Better to be a great short-lived program like Faulty Towers, than to go on too long.
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Is it an interesting plot twist to have a companion be the Rani in disguise? I suppose. I do agree that some viewers of the new program will scratch their heads and say, "Who's the Rani?" But let's face it, some of the younger generation (across the pond) may have only been familiar with the Daleks because they're an institution in the U.K. ANyway, you have to wonder how many more timelords are out there. I'm not opposed to there being more, if it works within the established storyline. Conceivably, Romana could still be out there in E-space, since the audio dramas are not canon. I'm not sure if it's a good idea, or not. Only time will tell, I suppose.
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Flash Gordon is a homoerotic film.
Barbarella is a camp as tits film.
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Apr 22, 2008 9:29:37 AM CDT
"I PREFER KRISTY SWANSON'S BUFFY (AND THE MOVIE ITSELF) TO THE T
by smashing
Spuds relevance and reputation are now officially dead.
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That would be awesome if the "Rose" that we think is returning is actually The Rani out to kill The Doctor and steal his TARDIS. She's phase shifting from the alt.universe that she hid in and has taken the form of The Doctor's latest favorite former companion to deceive all. Can you imagine if she up and wounded The Doctor and killed Martha and/or Donna?
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There was talk that Rachel Weisz wanted to appear on the show. She would have made a great Romana.
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doesn't mean that there aren't any.
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I actually like that Donna searched for the doctor because her character changed and grew after her Christmas special. I can't think of any other companion that has grown as much as a character as Donna did in a short time. I'd rather have Rose be the Rani if it had to be a companion, but I'd rather it not be a current companion at all.
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Russell T Davies never states that the hand taking the ring from the ashes of the Master is the Rani. IT'S A JOKE! He's just laughing with Phil Colinson! It's quite obviously the Master's wife, replete with red nails - as she was in fact wearing... RED NAIL VARNISH!!!!!! Goodness me, if you listen to the commentary you'll hear that it's a throwaway moment to the next production team who MAY want to bring him back and Russell and his team have given that team a get out clause. No-one fucking cares about Kate O Bastard Mara and that dreadfully shite character! No-one in the general public even remembers her, she had bollocks all to do in the original series. Total 80's power mad Alexis Carrington Colby knock off. (And pathetic trash!)
Now please just ignore the Rani pap - it isn't going to happen, and if in July I'm eating cowpie I'm eating cowpie, but I bet I'm not.
And as for the Doctor dying. Nah - his song is one of loneliness - it was a hint to the return of the sorely missed Rose. Well, that's what I think. Now how come no-one has mentioned the Cybermen romping in the snow in the that graveyard for Christmas..? As the first Doctor may have said, 'Hmmmmmm?' -
I never heard the commentary, so I was just speculating on the forum buzz. As for the Rani character, I thought she was alright in Mark of the Rani. Seems like McCoy's Time and the Rani was not as good. Short of diehard Whovian's, she's not known to the general public. I heard the wife picking up the ring rumor sometime back, as well. Might be interesting as long as the Master doesn't inhabit the body of a woman. As far as I know Simm is back this season(I think?), so all should be well and good. As long as they tone down his Caesar "Joker" Romero goofy moments.
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At least in the movies, though she did get braver and more wise to how stupid her superficial life, opinions etc actually were, Buffy didn't suddenly become intelligent, able to rally the troops, create plans of action, like Sarah Michelle Gellar's Buffy mysteriously was suddenly able to do mid-way through Season 1. The character development was too much, too soon, and never made sense to me.
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...But make him a badass!
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Apr 22, 2008 12:18:53 PM CDT
"Do people have any idea just how far away the nearest galaxy is
by mbeemer
Why, yes!
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space." -
How very dare you she is a living legend, why she was in Howard's Way. Lost Jarv name them then?! Spud I have a thing for Luke Perry too so the film is given a pass, its quirky enough to be fun.
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Would that not be awesome. And before somebody says "Crazy Jane as Romana." A. That charcter worked for the comedey she was in and she played brilliantly. And two I'm also thinking of hither to unsee range she showed as the captivating Claire Jackman in the Steve Moffat mini Jekyll. give a long lean version of that Tom Baker like coat Lalla Ward worte in her first appearance have her step of a Void ship ong flowing hair and slioetted in the back light and blending with the long coat. She does a slow sexy walk down the plank and puts the doctor in his place with a sarcy and really clever comment apprpriate to the circumstances. Then give her own Tardis and her own spinoff. Rose and Donna's jaws drop. Martha thinks, Damn. Then, But does she have med degree?
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haunting the woman that took the ring. Whether he has a plan to recorporialize and whether that will be as John Simm remian to my knowledge unknown, but i beleive the ghost will be played by John Simm.
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interesting notion, Bellman would be more likely to make repeate appearances, since she has a history working with Steven Moffat, and Weize has this big hollywood movie career thing going. (Only a matter of time Gina.) But Weize'd make a hell of a villainess. In a big two or three parter too, keep her long as you can.
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chick from AbFab would play the woman who took the Master's ring.
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just to get to see Hillary Swank as a bitchy '80s valley girl. She's come so far since then.
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Apr 22, 2008 2:15:15 PM CDT
We can guess all we want on how this Season ends, but.........
by axcel1
1. We won't know until July, and........
2. I will repeat what I said in an earlier post, Ms Tate said in an interview she did during the filming of season 4 that she would only be on Doctor Who for one season(series 4). She also said she didn't see David Tennant staying beyond season (series) 4. RTD and Tennant both said that wasn't truth. Tennant went on to say that he was signed on for Season (series) 4 and the specials, but not beyond that. -
Firefly definitely the worst treatment and it was a huge shock and dissapointment that it got cancelled so soon. But in a way Farscape's loss was more painful because four seasons really gave us time to get invested in it's stories and characters. And it was so close to being a complete series with a fifth season, which would have been awesome, given what was already shown in the Peacekeeper Wars.
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Great for many, many reasons:
(1) Kristy Swanson.
(2) Rutger Hauer chewing up the set handily, and Donal Sutherland giving the movie way more gravitas than it ever deserved.
(3) Paul Reubens' death scene.
(4) Hilary Swank as a Valley Girl!
(5) Kristy Swanson.
(6) Luke Perry was great in that movie. WHY couldn't they get him to cameo in the series? Pike was a great character, and truly the first person to like Buffy for who she REALLY was, not for her looks. Mainly.
(7) David Arquette, who gives good Salems' Lot.
(8) Soundtrack was awesome. I still play that full blast in the car, while driving round in the full moon.
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Minister, Not the Actual prime Minister, but the PM on Doctor Who. Filling in for Harriet Jones and the Master. Great points one and all about the Buffy movie, love to have seen more of the Pike character, Luke Perry was pretty cool and funny in that movie.
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Yep, dark haired women rule. Paricularly Claudia Black. That is a REAL woman!
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She close enough to British to be an Who. I could go for an Austrailian guest star. Companion.
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about Farscape. I'm assuming they had to cram in much of what would have been in season 5 into the Peacekeeper Wars. Tis' a shame. They probably had to gloss over a lot of tender moments(grieving over deaths, etc) Somebody put it best during Flash Gordon (new series) thread. SciFi Channel already a program in the vein of Flash Gordon. It was called Farscape. Not to digress, but if the new Flash had embodied the spirit of the serials, comic strips, and the 1980 film without all of the bad fx, hammy acting, etc., mixed with some Farscape feel. Damn! What a show the new Flash Gordon COULD have been.
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Hell yes. Hire Claudia Black for Doctor Who. Hell, hire anyone from the main cast of Farscape. Wayne "Scorpius" Pygram as a DW villain? How cool would that be? A few months ago, another famous actor was asked about working with David Tennant in Hamlet. It was none other than Captain Picard himself. Stewart said he'd be up for doing some Who. Unless he wants too much...LET THE MAN DO IT! Dalek voice, police officer 2, any role at all. Doesn't matter. On a side note, it turns out Stewart was a big fan of Red Dwarf back in the day. Battlestar's Aaron Douglass(Tyrol) is also a fan. But, I digress.
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I was out of town over the weekend, so I didn't get to see this episode of Who until earlier tonight. My distaste for Catherine Tate continues. She screeched her way through another performance this week. I'd like to stab her in the face with a pencil. She is absolutely terrible. Ugh. I turned it on so I could channel the hate while I write the post. She's panting. It's cold. Why is she _panting_ when it's cold? Last time I checked, I tend to _shiver_ when it's cold. Panting doesn't seem like an appropriate response. Beyond Tate's terrible work, the episode wasn't very good either. Aside from the multiple plot holes pointed out in the reviews and the thread, the story, in fact, didn't actually require the presence of The Doctor or Donna at all. Yeah, think about it. Their presence did not directly contribute in any way towards freeing the Ood. The Ood freed themselves. The Doctor had nothing to do with it. Everything was accomplished by the Ood themselves, with the help of the mole Ood rights activist. This was a terrible script that should never have been greenlit. The Doctor is supposed to be the sci-fi Sherlock Holmes. Holmes wasn't a passive observer. He was always the central force in a story. They should have just rewritten this as the Doctor-lite episode for the season. I mentioned last week that I was considering not watching this season due to Tate's presence. If the preview hadn't shown Martha and the Sontarans in next week's episode then I would have stopped watching until the Moffat episodes. I'm sure RTD is terribly disappointed that he might lose my mindshare. Oh wait. The writer for next week's episode is the writer who wrote the craptastic Daleks in Manhattan? Ugh. Maybe I'll wait for the Moffat episodes.
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That was the third worst episode so far. It's only been topped by The 2 Christmas Specials- the one with the doctor swordfighting made me want to smack RTD and the craptastic Runaway Bride. There's still no excusing either Squidward Dalek or pigmen. Both are utter shite. I don't know smashing, but I shall use the magic of the internets to find out- but I bet there are some in existance. The last Farscape I saw had them being blown up on a lake, what happened next or did it end there? I rather liked Farscape. THis has been a remarkably Civil TB. I have a theory, when the episode is so fucking "meh" we have nowt to argue about. Pah, put a pink alien parade in next week to give us something to row about.
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Yep, if you check out the Christmas Special 08 pics, you can see David Tennant in all his glory. So that nips the 'Doctor regenerates at the end of series 4' stories in the bud.
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The really annoying thing is, these shit Christmas specials always have at least one great sequence in them so you can't completely write them off! Take CHRISTMAS INVASION (which I actually quite liked). There's a problem with the pacing - I KNOW the Doctor isn't meant to appear until near the end, and I KNOW that's the point, but that's not what I'm getting at - there wasn't enough interesting stuff going on before they woke the Doctor up - the whole blood control thing ("a big old threatening button!") just wasn't as much fun as the writer obviously thought it was. I loved the Sycorax - a brutal race who defined their rules and laws through combat, and had rudimentary notions of clan honour etc - they were like the Predator race in the way they worked. I thought they were fantastic, and really hope they weren't all on the Sycorax basestar when it blew - they'd be welcome back for a future episode. Perhaps the Doctor involved in an illegal alien fighting tournament held on a hidden artificial planet? Sycorax behind it?
Hang on, I'm off to write that down...
And as for the RUNAWAY BRIDE - again, great monster hamstrung by budgetary concerns - why didn't we get to see any of the Children? Why couldn't we see a CG Empress moving? - and a completely "meh" story with Donna and her hubby-to-be. When he did that whole speech about how thick she is and all she's bothered about is reading HEAT and Brad & Angelina and what's happening in Corrie etc - I found myself actually agreeing with the bad guy! Kill the bitch, I yelled! This is the point - RTD thinks he's speaking for most of us with this whole "isn't all the pointless minutae of humanity great, that's what makes us human" shite, when actually I think it's all that minutae that is holding us as a race back from the true greatness of what humanity could be! NASA probably gets less funding than fucking American Idol right now - we could've had a colony on the moon by now, and no fucking Ryan Seacrest! Are we REALLY a species with its priorities in the right fucking order?!?!?!?
Put Ryan Seacrest on the moon. Sans spacesuit.
Anyway - apart from willing the Empress and her stooge to kill Donna and be done with it, that Christmas special had my favourite action sequence of all the new Whos in it - that fucking spectacular sequence where the TARDIS hovered alongside the taxi so the Doctor could get Donna back on board. The SFX were absolutely flawless, the pacing perfect, the plot nonsensical - robot Santas, almost identical to the Sycorax ones? WHY?!? - but that sequence alone was the most amazing thing I've seen in new Who. When you saw the kids cheering in the back of the Range Rover, I was cheering along with 'em - THAT was an action sequence!
But Donna was the end result, and I just can't wait for her to be over with and another companion brought out. Crying on cue does NOT constitute great acting - any actor worthy of the name can do that.
She's tolerable (so far) except for that "Miss? D'you call me Miss? Do I look single? Am I bovvered?" outburst in PLANET OF THE OOD, but waaaaaay over-rated. I'll be glad when she's gone, and someone takes over the show who understands that Companions can be more than either moon-eyed mopey unrequited-love girlie types or bellowing dragon type fishwives who occasionally cry to display, y'know, RANGE.
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I think the Criggty specials are notably always piss-poor.There seems to be this intenetion to make them as camp and silly as possible because ..well,it's Criggy Day!Bollocks.The first Tennant C.S. was okay as I feel he genuinely put his mark pretty much straight on the character.Even though the loss of Eccleston was particularly heavy at the time,Tennant was very likable.But....I kind of disagree with your opinion of the other two C.S.'s.The one with Donna...oh,Christ..it wasn't just THAT BLOODY WOMAN screaming,it was intensified by the contact fucking screaming of the spider-queen-whatever.I have NEVER EVER heard so much shouting in my life and I live in fucking China!A very poor effort(but I do agree that the motorway scene was good fun and strangely..a nice scene on top of a building with DT and HER!)BUt..the last C.S. was just horrific...utterly horrific...Kylie cannot act,lets get that straight..she CANNOT act.The story was stupid,the characters ridiculous,the acting TERRIBLE.Even,I may say,D.T was fairly poor............and now...we have ..HER. Every fucking week.I used to look forward to a new episode(especially being on the other side of the planet)and generally I'm like "Ah,the Sontarans!How cool!" then I realise SHE will be in it and put me off.I freeely agree that she isnt as shrill as she was in the C.S.but you are absolutely spot-fucking-on about how she simply 'cries on cue'!
I'm fairly sure the timelords will come back at the end of the season and I'm fairly sure the final three episodes will be typically convoluted and daft.But I'll stay with it as D.T.is a terrific Doctor and I'm certainly not as anti-RTD as others here,although I tend to agree that the episodes he doesn't write are more like the Who I remember as a child.Right now,Im watching the Baker era Sontaran Experiment.How intense it is.Almost written like a little play.Big budgets aren't really ALWAYS needed..................so,next week...a welcome Martha(arguably not the greatest actress but a very likable one)and a welcome return for Unit and the Sontarans.............sadly,the pictures that are out on the net of the new C.S. fill me with dread.Looks like a sort of Dickens era battle with the Cybermen.But great that Tennant doesn't leave at the end of the season.... -
C'mon- THE DOCTOR SWORDFIGHTING!!!! I can't repeat this enough- the Doctor does not swordfight. He's not fucking Leonidas for god's sake. AAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHThe Runaway Dog- I did like the SPider thing, but the screaming/ wailing/ gnashing of teeth made me want to smash something. VOyage of the Damned: Kylie Can't act, but is at least fuckable, the cyborg metaphor was about as subtle as a fucking sledgehammer, re-using Angels was lame, the Big Bad was shite, and the awful cheese of the Titanic fying just over Buckingham Palace whilst the queen said thanks was the single worst moment in any Dr Who. But, really- I've changed my mind and Daleks Take Manhatten is the WORST episode- just for Squidward T Dalek. Un-fucking-forgivable, and a complete fucking travesty of everything the Dalek's stand for.
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Those reviews are far too negative for a story which had a giant hive brain in it!
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didn't make sense....silly for sillys sake...the episode wasn't totally rubbish.I tended to enjoy it but it seemed like well worn ground.Certainly I enjoy the hell out of Who a LOT more than that dreadful Terminator tv show...oh,my God!Maybe it's me but Christ that is one boring fucking tv show.Can Lena Headey turn to camera a bit more with her hair swishing about glamorously next season.Please walk toward camera looking tough.Christ on a cross....I'd take Daleks killing badly-accented third tier actors anyday over that shit fest.Ugghh.
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That hive brain thing was rubbish. It was just a meh episode. Athough Terminator has its moments
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Here in China we have to make do with shitty pirate copies on dvd and You Tube to help our geek-need.Yesterday I bought a film called Vantage Point on dvd and watched it.It had a good cast.It was absolutely fucking terrible.So terrible that I can see how Heath Ledgers Joker lost it at some point in the past and slit his mouth open and decided that life was worthless.I want to kil the people in that film now.Especially the guy from Lost.But nothing....nothing can compare to the loss of all respect I had for Forest Whittaker.My Fast Times memory is ruined now.You are a worthless hack.Fuck that film..........I genuinely want to rant but will try to keep on Who -track....okay,this season is so far rather mediocre.It's going nowhere.Nothing new has been taught or learned apart from the fact that we should expect a season-ending-spunkathon.Can't we have a 'season' itself?I dread the giant wasps and I truly dread the reasons(story wise)as to why Rose is walking around unhappy-fish-mouthed through time.I sense a mis-use of the Master-like disaster on our hands.I just wish we could have stories like Blink,Empty Child,Doctor Dances and Family of Blood EVERY week.I guess they exist in a cause and effect way.Bit like old Star Trek films-everyu second one was great.................But jarv....I have to say,I really didn't like Terminator..I can't get over how boring that show was/is...sorry,don't want to argue...I appreciate I may have not given it enough time...strangely I got rather tired of BSG and yet some friends here in CHina are rabid about it...Although I'd have to plump for Grace Park over Freema.Sorry Martha....I'd happily still grace your magnificent arse with my love grease anytime Boomer isn't lathering it into her tits.....oh,my god...I need help..........NUUUUUUUuuuuurrrSSSEEEE!
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and the dude playing Kyle Reece's brother needs a bitch slap. But it does tend to manage 1 cool thing per episode and I'm developing an unhealthy crush on Lena Headey. Totally agree, this Who is a totally Meh series, nowt to get over excited about, but nothing really to hate.
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I was a really big Star Trek:Next Gen.follower.God,I obsessed about that show.(I was happily cured of my addiction by the story set on earth in First Contact,its sequel which I can't remember and Data not even getting a goodbye from Geordi as he leaps to save Picard from certain bad reviews in Nemesis)How I wanted a set of films that 'touched' us and made us care about our beloved characters.BUt Trek essentially destroyed any of the following shows with robots/sentient machines/ets learning to be human.I still hate T2's desperate attempt at pathos in the last act.What?By the end he understood?Uggghh.So really,Terminator the tv show may not be for me.If it gets renewed then it shows it please enough people and good luck to it.But................WHO.Hmmmmmm........every year I have really enjoyed even the silliest of shows but now I feel even the makers are losing what made it a great and welcome show to return.The Eccleston era seemed to be quite serious at times and there was..a point..to it all...and arguably the least welcome farewell to a doctor since Baker(Tom).It did its job and renewed interest.Tennant is smashing and usually always fresh.Goddamit,I'm ranting...but regardless of what I may appear sometimes..I actually like this show ....and want to like it consistantly...I FUCKING hate the state of modern TV(all this reality shit can burn)and welcome an attempt to tell stories......Goddamit,I need a beer...or Grace Parks arse in my face..
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yummy.Sontarans look pretty fathful too.C'mon.I love you Martha...No,what I said about Grace's arse...yours could never...I....wait..look..I'm fucking telling ya...I didn't..she's just a wallpaper on me compu'er...oh,fuck off then....Grace I love you
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http://www.thespoof.com /news/spoof.cfm?head line=s4i23477
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is one of those strange women who goes from okay-looking (GOSSIP) to walk-past-her-in-the-street-and-not-look-twice (THE PAROLE OFFICER) and hottest-thing-you've-ever-seen (300). She looks like the tope-of-the-line-MILF in TEMRINATOR, and though the storyline is solid, it needs an Arnie camoe BADLY and needs to have the Reese bro killed (not only for his half-assed acting, but also the fact he's been boning Megan Fox for the last few years. That rat bastard!). It also needs to remind any other characters who return from the future that not only are they there to spout exposition, they should actually ACT like the stressed-out, confused, terrified, badass traumatised combat veterans they actually are meant to be (see Michael Biehn's incredible performance in the first movie, and IGNORE EVERYTHING ELSE) and act less like they are auditioning for a razor advert (hang your head in shame, Doctor Jack Pussy from LOST) or an underwear advert (Actor Formerly Known As Marky Mark).
I never said this post had to make sense, only that it had to be done. I like TERMINATOR, Summer is kinda hot, but Lena has a weird hold over me. She's understated sexy, self-confident sexy, and it's good to see. Mature, too, which doesn't hurt in a world of insecure, needy gold-digging beeatches like Paris, Lindsay and that other one. -
needs a giant hive brain. Can't have enough giant hive brains in TV sci-fi these days.
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just for shits and giggles. Maybe playing an alien killing machine that travelled through time to successfully lay waste to Cardiff and turn it into Smashing's Pig Womb nursery. cardiff has had it coming. Fuck Wales.
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It isn't as if it isn't linked directly below the comment box or anything.
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Apr 23, 2008 7:13:08 AM CDT
I fancied Lena years ago when she was dating that bloke..
by the true priapic
with ginger hair from that Guy Ritchie movie.She left him for Robson Green.Well.Err....can't comment on women and who they want to fuck.TRust me,every good looking hottie in China is being ooomphed by a right ugly cunt.Myself,most likely included.
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if she asked nicely and my wife wouldn't geld me for it.
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pretty good Doctor. Except I recon you really do have to have a Brit play the the Doctor, just like you can't have an unBritish Bond, it just wouldn't be right.
Even if they could sound British.
But, yeah, Pygram and Braca really need to make some bad guy appearances. Wouldn't mind seeing Gigi and Simcoe around either. They should be getting more post Farscape work. -
previews on the official site if you're logging on in the UK.
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Downloaded some of Partners in Crime, glad to see the Doctor's pining for Martha almost as much he was Rose. Still wanna slap him upside the head for lettin her get away. Gotta respect her moxy, gettin out herself.
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What? You are talking about Brian (Austin) Green(e)? Dude was on 90210, and the *Terminator* role has totally changed many peoples' opinions of the guy. Who'd have thunk he could play a badass? I sure didn't. He could totally play a villain on *Torchwood* that could compete with James Marsters/Spike/Captain John.
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well the new dynamic between Tate and the Doctor has worked in Partners in Crime and Fires of Pompie. She seems more like a big sister or best friend. She'd be more likely giving the Doctor dating tips than trying to date him herself. Which would actually be rather scene. Here's choclates." "Really." "Yeah, we like chocolates." "Okay. iaheve jelly babies." "Chocalates." "Sonic Screwdriver?" "Sonic what? Just put that away and do what tell you. Ugh."
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earlier if you haven't seen what happens after Bad Timing get PK Wars. Brilliant wrap up. Though far to abrdged version of the Fifth season they had planned, at least you'll get to see what happened to John and Aeryn.
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She was part of a plot for the Time War that I had been working on involving The Doctor, The Master and another Time Lord called The Deserter (also called The Betrayer...both names given to him by The Doctor and Master respectively).
I've given bits and pieces of the plot in previous Who talkbacks, though after the Master refused to regenerate last season, I had to change things around a bit. Davros also made a cameo appearance.
The plot was simple, Davros had returned and regained control of the Daleks. Realising that The Doctor had foiled his plans time and again, Davros wanted to wipe him from existence. To do so, he needed an ancient Time Lord device that harnassed the temporal energy of the Time Vortex which he would use to phase Gallifrey out of all dimensions and time, so that they would never exist. It would create a self sustained paradox where the actions of the past still happened even though The Doctor wouldn't have existed to take part, while future (events after the device is used) events would never happen.
So Davros gathered an army and marched on Gallifrey...and he was utterly defeated and forced to retreat back to Skaro. The Time Lords then sent Romana to Skaro to arrest Davros.
But Davros was waiting. He infected Romana with a temporal regeneration virus, which made her cell structure break down and prevented her from regenerating to heal herself.
Another Time Lord (later knows as the Deserter) was in love with Romana and desperately tried to find a way to save her before she wasted away and died. Finding no help on Gallifrey, he went to Skaro to demand that Davros give him the cure. Davros agreed to give it to him, but only if he lead the Daleks to the temporal device. The Time Lord knew it went against everything that gallifrey stood for, that it went against temporal law and that he would be betraying his own people but he was so consumed with love and despair, he agreed to do it.
And so began the Time War. The Time Lords discovered what Davros was looking for, but in their arrogance, rather than destroying the temporal device, they divided it into pieces and hid it across space and time. What they didn't know was that they had been betrayed, and The Deserter was leading the Daleks across time to find the pieces.
After a long and brutal war, the final battle was on Arcadia , 3 billion years ago. It was a battle that decimated the Time Lords forces. Davros had found the final piece of the device and was ready to turn it on Gallifrey.
The Deserter, who thought that the Daleks wanted to conquer Gallifrey, not wipe it from existence, finally discovered the exact nature of his betrayal, and out of fear, he fled, taking his TARDIS to the centre of a black hole - a natural gateway between dimensions. Here, he would be safe from the effects of the temporal device. He tried to take Romana with him but she refused, wanting to stay and fight.
Although they hated to admit it, the Time Lords knew that The Doctor had experience dealing with The Daleks and so they reluctantly sent him to Skaro to stop their evil plan.
Davros wanted to wipe Gallifrey from existence, but the Daleks had bigger plans...they wanted to cause every world in the universe to disappear...leaving them alone, superior,the only life left in a universe that was ready to be reshaped. They turned on Davros, killing him and set the device to not only consume Gallifrey, but the entire universe.
The Doctor of course arrived to stop them, but he was too late. The Daleks had activated the device, which once started, could not shut down until its task was complete. The device was focused on an open gateway to the Time Vortex on Gallifrey (kind of like what the Master looks through to hear the drums), from which it would draw its energy.
And so the Doctor made the only choice he could...he wasn't able to stop the machine, but he could narrow its focus range...so he set it to target an area a million miles surrounding Gallifrey and a million miles surrounding Skaro. The focus point and the origin point. The Doctor then flew his Tardis to the centrepoint between the two worlds to act as a conduit and contain the effects to the specified points.
And so Gallifrey and Skaro were wiped from existence and while the Tardis remained intact, the effects of the temporal radiation bombarding it caused the Doctor to regenerate. (from McGann to Eccleston) The Time War was ended and the Doctor was alone. The Time Lords drifted into legend, a distant memory long since forgotton.
In the year 4218 AD, the Doctor (Tennant) visits a psychiatric hospital on a world on the edge of the Human Empire.
While there, he discovers an old man, chained up and beaten half to death, claiming to be a Time Lord. To the Doctor, the man seems familiar but he can't place him as a Time Lord until the man seems to die, only to suddenly be reborn in a new body as he regenerates. This, we learn, is the aforementioned Deserter.
At first the Doctor is disgusted by him for betraying his people but The Deserter says he has been travelling through space and time, searching for a way to put things right and he believes he has found a way.
Now the original idea called on The Master to be released from the Tardis because he knew of a way to reverse the effects of the temporal device.
However, given the end of last season, I revised it a bit, so that the Master isn't needed. Essentially, the Doctor has to travel to the exact place and time where his Tardis served as a centrepoint for the devices effects and use that energy to reverse it...so you get a strange Doctor Who paradox (one of many over the years) where that point in space and time serves to wipe Gallifrey from existence and at the same time, bring it back, a side effect being that Skaro is brought back too. It also allows for a moment between Tennant and McGann, and after McGann regenerates into Eccleston, he and Tennant also have a brief moment on screen together. The time line splits in two, creating a parallel universe, one in which Gallifrey is brought back and the other in which it's lost out of existence. It only lasts a few moments as the timeline with no Gallifrey collapses, leaving just a timeline where Gallifrey and Skaro are intact. The Doctor and the other "higher beings" remember everything, but the "lower beings" have no idea that gallifrey was ever gone. The sheer force of the events also causes the device to be destroyed so that in another twisted paradox, it never existed, yet the events still happened...except they didn't. Classic Who right there :P
Anyways, I've rambled on long enough...The Deserter goes to Gallifrey to face judgement and it is decided that he would be stripped of his regenerations...until we discover that he only had one left anyway after years of searching for a way to fix things.
Rather than simply remove his regeneration though, he asks that it be given to Romana so that she can regenerate and be healed from the disease that had threatened to kill her. The Time Lords warn him that this would kill him, but he doesn't care and he gives up his life to save Romana in a final act of redemption.
The story ends with the Time Lords giving him a lecture for his continued joyriding across space and time, interfering in the affairs of lesser beings. The Doctor of course, doesn't listen and asks Romana if she would like to go with him on a trip, for old times sake.
And that's essentially my Time War story...am I just too geeky? Is it crap? Should I submit it? Should I get a day job? Answers on a postcard.... -
If my gaydar is to be trusted possibly more than one. UNIT seems to be made up of pretty looking men, hmmm. You have been notified, beware of teh gayness.
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Works for me, dude. It has to be at least better than some of RTD's worst moments, Love and Monsters, Partners in Crime. To name a few, at least. Lalla Ward could have aged during that time in E-Space, and so forth, then she's in the time war(and back in the new series with an old Romana cameo Yeah!). She's given another regeneration...and bammo! Doc's got a newly-regenerated, younger actress companion that will appeal to young un's. Why not? I'll tell you why. You didn't have enough social and political commentary in your idea. Not to mention a lack of Buffy-esque pop culture references. You should know we're only allowed about 2-4 top-notch ep's per season. Maybe 5 or 6 if we're lucky. heheh
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I'll write a scene where the three Doctors sit around making sarcastic comments before breaking out in song. :P
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and we're al being so nice. No need to be such a hererophobe
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It would be interesting to see how the Doctor of this universe would react to a return of Romana, thinking he's alone in surviving, especially now that he thinks the Master is dead.
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He's this compeltely unapolegetic geek who finds all these cool attractive women, many of whom, like most women, at least in the 70s and 80s, couldn't give a toss about aliens, space ships, and time travel and turns them into cool attractive women with a love for the geeky strange. Except Martha, I think she was always a bit into the geeky strange, by her totally into it reaction to being stuck on the moon.
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Thanks for the heads up on the potential gayness inherent in including UNIT in the Sontaran ep. I am dosing up on extra testosterone as we speak. I was never confused :D
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sigh.
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In "The Androids of Tara", The doctor (Tom Baker)had a swordfight with the Count Grendel at the end of the story. Was it right for "The Androids of Tara" and wrong for "The Christman Invasion"?
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Apr 25, 2008 4:46:15 PM CDT
If you live 900 years you should really be able to do a lot.
by smashing
I would imagine sword fighting is child play to an ancient time lord like Bob, I named the doc, deal.
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...is because they have ready access to a wide talent pool of actors who can actually act, unlike most American shows, where acting is slang for "looking good on camera". Just look at how many English actors are working today in and on American TV--doing American accents no less--to show you what a wretched state it is. Who uses all those talent character actors to great effect time and time again. Great to see Rose appear as well.
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for one episode or a few scenes are great. I love how well the early fight scenes were played for laughs in Androids of Tara. Course the Doctor proved he really knew his stuff when it came to the final battle.
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Apr 26, 2008 9:20:46 AM CDT
Any truth to the rumor that Martha's boyfriend, mentioned
by crichtonastronut
on Torchwood, is the guy who threw himself inbetween the Master and Martha when he tried to shoot her with his laser screwdriver.
He would or at least might still be alive, since they changed the timeline so that he wasnever shot. And you gotta figure anyone who could resist the Master's Arcangel network enought to join the fight against him would be UNIT material. And she did say the man saved her life. -
I think Tate has the makings of a great companion. The humor and energy of Partners In Crime really set a nice tone for Tate and Tennate's working relationship. And I'll just say it, I had fun watching the pair of them. Also, it's good to see the caring insightful Donna from the last scene of Runaway Bride, rather than her first scenes in tha special. I loved her Nancy Drewing the Adipose Corp. And i think she can do the drama bts and maintain that fine balance the series has to maintain. Defintely, lighter in tone than the 3rd season, but that's probably apprpriate for awhile.
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and the more serious tone season three brought to the Who series.
The third season reminds me a lot of those Sherlock Holmes/Agatha Christie type mysteries of the Tom Baker era, episodes like The Talon's of Wang Chiang, Horror at Fang Rock, and Robots of Death. Tom Baker was still, well Tom Baker, and witty as ever. But There was little inherently funny in the situations of these episodes, they were quite dark and tragic. As the Plasmavor put it in Smith and Jones we were laughing at the dark, because there was real element of fear and suspence. I got that from most and to some degree all of the season three episodes of the current series. And I don't think that would have played as well with Rose or Donna. -
Apr 26, 2008 12:49:49 PM CDT
Anyone else have trouble buying that Rose is the love
by crichtonastronut
of the Doctor's life by the way. i know that sounds like heresey. And I do buy that they have an intense emotional connection, but I never really got that it was of a romantic nature. if I were to draw a paralell between Eccelston's Doctor and Rose and any other fictional pairing, it wouldn't Mulder and Scully or Aeryn and Crichton, it would be Giles and Buffy. He was her father figure and she was the person who let him see the universe through younger eyes.
And Tennate's Doctor and Rose, seemed more like he needed somebody and she was there and she was just afraid of going back to her old life. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it just didn't seem like romance. I got more of that vibe from Tennate and Madam DePompador in Girl in the Fireplace, and more pain and guilt in his reunion with Sarah Jane. And Eccelston's Doctor didn't seem to hesitate to invite that girl from Big Brother alog, while Rose was still travelling with him. Or did their being together stop Rose from inviting Adam or flirting with Jack. I also thought they got on a little too well in the second season. In season one they had some good moments, where the Doctor admonished her rather harshly when she argued against putting the Gelf in the bodies of the dead. Saying "New world, new morality. Get use to it or go home." Or the conflict when she saved her father. In the second season those moments were missing. I love what Billie Piper did wth the role, from the previews I've seen, she'll be great in Diaries of a Call Girl. But I thought the Rose character left at the right time, it brought back the Doctor's loneliness and set the groundwork for a more complex and interesting relationship with Martha Jones. BTW loved seeing Martha get fussy with the Doctor in Blink, "All of Time and Space he promised me and now I'm working as a shop girl. I have to support him." Interesting that she was working as a shop girl and that Rose's old job, wonder if that was the Doctor's idea. -
possibilities. But I don't think she should stay. I think he should reexperience the loss. Cruel but the character needs pathos. Unless of course, he's gonna realize that he really loves Martha and was pushing her away to protect himself from getting hurt, only now she's moved on.
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fancied her and Donna starts in with, "Blind Martha, generous Martha." I had to laugh.
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