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Last of The Daytime SciFi.Com Feeds?? GALACTICA 4.3!!

I am – Hercules!! Good news, everyone! SciFi says:
THIS FRIDAY ONLY: You'll have eight chances to see this week's episode early. Starting at 9 a.m. (Eastern Time), we'll show live streams of "Ties That Bind" at the top of the hour, every hour. The last showing will start at 4 p.m. (Eastern Time).
The bad news is one hears today could be the last day offers these early “Galactica” streamings. You’ll likely find them here. SciFi says of 4.3:
With Kara Thrace piloting a lone freighter in her desperate search for Earth, political intrigue and marital discord aboard the Galactica are paralleled by deep rifts in the Cylons' solidarity.
* Cavil is said to be much more receptive this week to the suggestion that he stop lobotomizing the raiders. * Natalie will ask that the D’Annas be unboxed. * Basestars may fire upon one another. * Cally may discover the secret of the Watchtower Four, and try to introduce her husband’s face to a wrench.


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  • April 18, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    streaming doesn't beat watching it live..

    by srh1son

    commericals and all.

  • April 18, 2008, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Is it US only?

    by vadakinX

  • April 18, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST


    by Read and Shut Up

    Seriously - the last ep was tits. Starbuck and Ol' Cragface hugging at the end? Chill inducing.

  • April 18, 2008, 1:06 a.m. CST

    If you missed an episode, watch it on Hulu tv episodes..

    by Brian_De_Man

  • April 18, 2008, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Here is the plot of the final episode:

    by vadakinX

    It is a period of civil war. Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. <p> During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet. <p> Pursued by the Empire's sinister agents, Princess Leia races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her people and restore freedom to the galaxy... <p> Sounds interesting...but where's Earth? Dammit!

  • April 18, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    The streaming is pretty quality, actually.

    by gotilk

    But it looks better in HDTV. I admit it, I'll be watching it twice. I'm a frakkin' goober.

  • April 18, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    I hope they don't do what I think they're gonna do...

    by The Shyster

    'cause if C**** goes out the airlock, I'm going to be very sad :(

  • April 18, 2008, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Cally out the airlock? - not a spoiler, just a guess...

    by Abin Sur

    Didn't they already do that ep LAST season? How many times can the poor girl get explosively decompressed?

  • April 18, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Cally out the Airlock is not going to happen...

    by Lemming

    I've no idea why anyone would think that. That's just stupid.

  • April 18, 2008, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Lobotomized spaceships

    by CuervoJones

    Crazy. I like crazy.

  • April 18, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    I dont think this is the last streaming

    by ArianeB

    My reading of the streaming page is that this will be the first and last time they stream eight times in one day. Next week we will be back to one at noon. I assume this is a test of the system capabilities.

  • April 18, 2008, 7:22 a.m. CST

    New Theory...

    by SKULL1138

    I posted a Theory on the last BSG talkback, but I ahve another... <P> I reckon that they are all Cylons...Let em explain. <P> I think the FInal 5 are the original models of cylons that were either banished from earth or left Earth for soem reason, they created the other 7 models and then Cylons eveolved a stage further to creat a race almost identical ti Humans, so much so that these new Cylons actually thought they were humans, they then created the Toaster cylons themselves, the 7 models had their memories of all this wiped and were programmed bnot to think about the original 5, they took over the Toasters and limited their AI so they would be almost slave like and plotted the destruction of the Humans (Evolved Cylons) <P> The final Cylon and leader of them all placed the other 4 we have just discovered into the Human society as a way to protect them and make sure they survive, the Toasters recognise this and thus will not folow the ones who wish to destroy the humans and lobotomise the Toasters. <P> In the end they will realise the reason no tests can be created to tell the difference between Cylon and Human is because the genetic make up is exactly the same, they are just more advanced Cylons. <P> The Final Cylon along wiht he awakkened other 4 will reveal all this by the end of this series, probably as they get to earth, and at that point they will either discover a society of fully integrated Cylons/Humans, or they will find their Human creators and set about destroying them as revenge for exiling them into the stars. <P> Evidence - How can a Cylon and a Human have a Baby if they are a different species, this has happened twice already (Tyrrol is a Cylon) <p> GOD - the one true God they refer to is the Final Cylon Leader, what is a god if not the being that creates a species? <P> I am relaly starting to think now that this all makes sense that this War was completely pointless, but perhaps necessary for some ultimate goal of the Final Cylon that we are not aware of, perhaps thats why Strbuch although not the final Cylon can be downloaded into another body identical. <P> I also think that is why Baltar survived the attack on caprixca and how he can talk to both himself and six, because it is a side effect of the download process. Perhaps Baltar as disliked as he is will be the link to revelaing everything, perhaps it si even the final Cylon/God that is talking directly with Baltar/Six although appearing as someone they already know. <P> Thoughts? <P> Totally wrong?

  • April 18, 2008, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Apologies for spelling

    by SKULL1138

    That was a pretty badly spelt post....sorry, just a dyslexic typer, I put letters in the wrong order and type faster than I can actually type well.

  • April 18, 2008, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Why inviso text that last one?

    by jccalhoun

    That last point of the invisotext was pretty much given away in the teaser for this episode so why invisotext it?

  • April 18, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    "Where's Earth?"

    by Shan

    In a galaxy far, far away of course ...

  • April 18, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Battlestar Galacticlue board game

    by SpyGuy

    I'll guess Cally in repair bay with the wrench.

  • April 18, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    I had a really strong stream this morning

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I drank a big old glass of moo-juice before bed. Really yellow and pungent (the stream, not the milk). <p> Morning wood rules!

  • April 18, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Frankly, it sounds like piss-poor writing.

    by jae683

    This series has so many dropped plot lines and plot holes it's ridiculous. What ever happened to the 'special' love child between a Cylon and a Human? Guess now that chief is a cylon, and he and Cally have a kid, that wasn't such a big deal. Or has that kid disappeared too. And what about Richard Hatches' character? He sort dropped off the face of the fleet. They whole finding an alternative home planet thing (and the three year jump in time) felt like shark jumping, frankly. Just another excuse to comment on the 'current administration and Iraq.' We all know how Hollywood types love those story lines, never mind that it doesn't make a lick of sense. I mean, why would a race nuke the willys out of another race's home planet, and then conveniently decide to change policy once they found them. I would think an enemy robot race would just take them out and be done with it. They seem to change their minds more than a woman in a clothing store. And let's not get started on the whole mumbo-jumbo metaphysical crap going on. I suppose we'll all be Cylons in the end. ‘Oh, were just like them and they’re just like us!’ jeeze. Some sort of BS esoteric non-sense. Here's an idea, why not tell a straight-up sci-fi story where all the plot lines have a purpose, and earth isn't just some maguffin. And please, please, no cheesy flying motorcycles! I loved this series when it started, but I’m quickly losing hope for it.

  • April 18, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    bah, eidting on this thing sucks!

    by jae683

    Sorry for the giant paragraph.

  • April 18, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    funny how those things jae683 is complaining about are being add

    by jccalhoun

    This episode feature the Chief and Cally's kid (who is a fatty) and Richard Hatch's character.

  • April 18, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    That Will Smith Ad Is Freaking me Out

    by Aquatarkusman

    Get some Chapstick, motherfucker!

  • April 18, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Bring it on!!

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    The series just goes from strength to strength. Cant wait for tonights episode! Shits gonna fly!!

  • I don't. I hope they clean it up and get back to the original quality. I haven't seen the recent spots, but if they answer some of these plot line in this episode, great.

  • April 18, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST


    by Strabo

    Have faith. To some, the show may seem to be stuck in Lost-style limbo, full of plot holes, mischaracterizations, and forgotten storylines, but some of us have seen Moore's Deep Space Nine. The final season, and chiefly, the final seven episodes of DS9 were nothing short of fucking incredible. Every major theme and overarching plotline or characterization in the _series_ had an episode that capped off the arc perfectly. I remember watching the series as it aired. When the commercials came on talking about "the final seven episodes of Deep Space Nine!" I wondered how it would be possible to wrap up the series in that short a time. Moore didn't just avoid disappointment, he completely blew away every expectation I had as to how the series would end.

  • April 18, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST


    by The Shyster

    That ending makes me feel... kinda... not good.

  • April 18, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    stream worked great this time around

    by cyrent

    able to watch the entire thing in pretty good quality with zero stutters... and I'm not even on that great of a connection (sharing a 768kbps dsl with roommates) talk about a shocking dramatic conclusion to an episode though. it actually surprised me twice in about 30 seconds.

  • April 18, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    stuff continues to happen but not the good stuff

    by jccalhoun

    If we didn't know that there were only like 17 episodes left this would be a pretty good episode. Lots of stuff happens but unfortunately because I know that the end is coming (although probably not until next year. grrr) all these complications are frustrating. The end wasn't totally unexpected but was sad to see that happen. More questions and more difficulties hiding the truth. <br><br>On another note I noticed that both Helo and Athena were on the ship with Starbuck. Does that mean their kid is too?

  • April 18, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    BSG board game:

    by palewook

    i'll take the president with cancer in the sickbay

  • April 18, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST


    by EBF

    Tori: What is she covering up for President Roslyn?

  • April 18, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Jesus, MORE fucking "marital discord"?

    by Mockingbird Girl

    Gosh, I hope it's just like last week's episode where everyone talks a lot and nothing actually happens. </sarcasm>

  • April 18, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    This is a DARK episode (no spoilers).

    by DonnaDarko

    Just caught the stream on - it's quite possibily the darkest episode of the series so far.

  • April 18, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Who is Natalie?

    by Diagnostic

    Honestly. It really hard to keep them straight. It has been off air for so long.

  • April 18, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Weapons Locker 1701D

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Energize Me!

  • April 18, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    "Hand of God" lightship?

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Did anyone else see that? <p> The Plot Thickens...

  • April 18, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST


    by Strabo

    They've explained nothing. This season has proven to be yet more filler on the level of the execrable third season.

  • April 18, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST


    by Kentucky Colonel

    If your heart wasn't pounding during the last minute of that episode you might be a skinjob!

  • April 18, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    I'm almost to where jae683 is at

    by gruntybear

    Except for the fact that I loved everything up to the end of last season - yes, even the Dylan as cylon Pied Piper headscratcher. The problem this season seems to be seriously muddled writing. Why the fuck is Lee leaving the fleet? Was it ever addressed? What actual confirmation do the Watchtower four have that they are indeed cylons? I don't buy Anders' red-eye "scanning" by the raider as proof positive that all four are skinjobs. I'm tired of these inchoate "feelings" driving the crew to weaker and weaker plotlines. Those four have a "feeling" that they're cylons. Roslyn has a "feeling" about the correct way to Earth. Starbuck has the exact opposite "feeling" about why "THEY'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY!" Fuck the "feeling" shit and give me some concrete reasons for why the plot is moving the way it seems to be moving. There are just too many continuity/timeline errors for Tigh and Galen to both be toasters. Plus, why should I give two shits about internal cylon metaphysical bickering? That whole "stop lobotomizing the raiders" coffee break debate in that cheaply lit nightclub that the cylons use as a command center went fucking N-O-W-H-E-R-E. The "final five" mystery seems completely tacked out of the ether. I seriously don't care who the final cylon is. I want the war to be resolved. I want to know why the cylons suddenly "got religion" and changed tactics. I want the fleet to find Earth. Everything else is bullshit.

  • April 18, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    Apparently not.

    by Strabo

    I'm thinking more about things from the first season (of Lost, my previous post was NOT about BSG) that have yet to be explained.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Way to drop the pounds, Callie!

    by Smokin Doc Cottle

    Yeah, she was hot with the baby-fat-cheeks, but damn does she look fine! Super cool haircut, tight assed booty, all that. She can jump in my bunk anytime! <p> Plus, she's a smoker! Fire it up, indeed!

  • April 18, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Herc, THANK YOU!

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    I've been waiting for Heroes to go down in price and NOW IT HAS!!!! Just bought it. You rock dude!! Or dudette. Have we established that yet? Haven't been paying attention. Nevertheless, THANK YOU.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST


    by Shoegeezer

    The lobotomised raiders is just the start of bad things in the Cylon world. Things escalate in ep 3.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Helo and Athena

    by ArianeB

    I have no idea why Helo and Athena went with Starbuck. Anders makes sense, so does Gaeta, since he is the FTL travel expert, but why send Helo (the CAG now that Apollo left) and Athena. Guess the writers could not think of anything else for those characters to do.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Oh, and seriously, fuck the Lost-ies. Fuck them hard

    by gruntybear

    That show is total garbage, through and through. Ooh, the 4th season is THE BEST YET!!!! They explain EVERYTHING!!!! The finishline is in sight, so it's all planned out and all the pieces are falling into place!!! Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. It's just more stopgap, on the fly explanations to keep the mainstream audience dialed in. It's a show about tramping back and forth across a giant magical island, where EVERY fucking conversation is started when one character sticks a gun in the face of another character. Oh, the drama. And where if the castaways just got together and had one giant beach summit where they actually finished conversations with one another, all of the so-called "mysteries" would be over. Macguffin after macguffin after macguffin.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by Strabo

    Rewatch the last three or four episodes of the third season to answer most of your questions. Lee has left the Galactica due to his resignation during Baltar's trial. Particularly due to the scene where Admiral Adama called him a traitor and a liar for defending Baltar. <BR><BR>As far as the four sleeper cylons go, RDM has stated that the fourth season will change our idea of what a cylon is. The popular theory is that we'll learn that cylons were invented prior to the exodus from Kobol, and that the citizens of the Twelve Colonies are the descendants of the original cylons and the refugees from Kobol. <BR><BR>As far as a resolution to the conflict between the two fleets, and finding Earth, refer to my post above about RDM's final season of DS9. History has shown that RDM _WILL_ provide a denoument to the show that will satisfy all of your questions. Just give him time, and enjoy the ride. <BR><BR>And while I'm here, I'll take the opportunity to tweak Ashok0. From what I understand, J.J. Abrams _didn't_ give the fans of Alias much of a denoument in that show. I'm far more convinced of RDM's ability to close out BSG with a win than with Abram's ability to finish Lost without screwing the fans.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST


    by Strabo

    Hercules is perpetually a fourteen-year-old girl. Witness the constant fetishization of everything related to Buffy and Joss Whedon.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST


    by Strabo

    Denouement x2.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by EagleDelta1

    LOST S4 is definitely is the best written LOST season yet, but there is one thing they haven't answered about the Others yet(at least, some of them) - some of them don't age - WTF? Richard looked the same when he met teenager Ben as he does now. Grunty - I think your just pissed cause BSG isn't going the direction YOU think it should. Moore can't please everyone with the way he's going to end the show. Simple solution - if you don't like it, DON'T WATCH IT!

  • April 18, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    i'll take long knowing looks in the CIC please.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST


    by Lemming

    "The problem this season seems to be seriously muddled writing. Why the fuck is Lee leaving the fleet? Was it ever addressed?"<p>Forgotten Season three already? He left the military because he didn't agree with Baltar's sentence and his dad as admiral wouldn't let him do anything about it. Then he just told you in the last episode why he's leaving - he thinks he can make more of a difference in politics than in the cockpit.<p>"What actual confirmation do the Watchtower four have that they are indeed cylons?" Um...they all heard the same song and were drawn to the same room on the Galactica? I know I'd take that as a pretty big indicator.<p> Grunty, how about you actually watch the show. You'd be surprised how many questions it clears up....

  • April 18, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    lee also tried to kill himself so not flying is no surprise

    by jccalhoun

    Remember the time he was lost floating in space and wanted to die? Remember the entire series where he has had issues with being a pilot? I think of all things Apollo leaving the military is one of the more believable character moves they have made. Now allowing him to leave when he is one of the most experienced pilots? That's another story entirely.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST


    by redfishbluefish

    rocks my world! sorry, i just had to say that.<p>just a matter of hours 'til utter bliss.......

  • April 18, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    damn, that's some col'blooded shit.

    by Babba-Booey

    skin jobs be frakin' up the jernt.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST


    by skydemon

    Speechless!! Don't miss this one.!

  • April 18, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST


    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    Holy shit!, oh yeah, by the way - Spoiler Alert.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST


    by Strabo

    Great. Thanks for that.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    the setup

    by EBF

    everything going on is meat. while i'm not that interested in tori , and feel like these last few episodes have given her more time than i care about, what she did was really important. will the other cylons kill her? is it that important for the cylons to be in secret? now we know they really think so. but what if one of them doesn't think so? will that mean that tori is automatically ashamed of what she did? is she really feeling "power" and "new awareness" or is she just an asshole who will get a come-uppance? Tori, tori, tori...

  • April 18, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by snapple_ladys_lazy_eye

    Your rant is the rant of a man who never really paid any attention. each of your questions has an obvious answer. go frag off and watch a new tv show if you think its "full of holes"

  • April 18, 2008, noon CST


    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    You're welcome. Just had to share my feelings of shock. And hey, any truly rabid fan would've already watched it by now.

  • April 18, 2008, noon CST

    Normally, I don't care...

    by Strabo

    ...about spoilers. I love BSG so much though that I try to avoid them. The first spoiler I was ever pissed off about knowing beforehand was Boomer shooting Adama at the end of season one (and no, that no longer counts as a spoiler, given that it aired in 2005).

  • April 18, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by Strabo

    I'm at work, unfortunately. I'm taking a risk watching it now. I hate having a manager that's on-site. Stupid reorganization. I preferred it when my manager was a thousand miles away.

  • April 18, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Lee leaving

    by Alientoast

    Lee leaving, and Bill letting him leave, makes perfect sense. Lee indeed is a good pilot, but Bill knows that the only reason he enlisted was because his dad wanted him to. Combine the issue with Zak Adama, plus the whole Starbuck thing, and you can understand the issues he feels as a guilt-tripped father just trying to make things 'right' for his kids, biological or "adopted".

  • April 18, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST


    by fact10

    i've read lots of theories in the new version saying that humans and cylons are the same race and they got me thinking about the original show. when i first started watching bsg i kept waiting for the new version of Imperious Leader to show up. There are re-imagined versions of most every other central character from the original show (for a while there was no Athena, but then sharon took on the name) and it seemed only natural that they would include the main baddy from the old show and yet we still haven't seen him. is he the final cylon? in the original, cylons were a reptilian race that incorporated cybernetic technology into their physicality and created centurion robots. humans obviously were a completely seperate species in that continuity. Imperious Leader was made to appear to be more like the original reptilian cylons than the other civilian cylons and the cylon heirarchy seemed to be based on those who were closer to the original species lording over those who were more robotic. in the new version, given that most if not all cylons are cyborgs, the heirarchy exists here too, except its the android model lording over the cyborg model. we're also given the knowledge that contemporary earth exists in the same continuity as the new series. there had to be a dylan to write "watchtower" right? the final five's sensitivity to the song leads me to think they are more closely linked to humanity than the other seven android models, and thus higher in the the heirarchy. all of the cylons seem to view the cylon/human hybrid babies as even higher up. so what does that make the hybrid on the basestar? what makes it different from the organic cylon/human kids? they treat it with the same disregard as they do the other more slavish cylons

  • April 18, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    A+ episode!

    by Razorback

    Best so far this season... and I loved the first two.

  • April 18, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I almost wanna do my podcast NOW!

    by Lt.Mindcrime

    I'm the host of Galactica Action Stations and that ending just DROPPED my jaw. I'm actually emotionally moved...this just sux. Still watching the episode you TOTALLY saw this coming.

  • April 18, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    I too noticed the Lightships and Orbs

    by Lt.Mindcrime

    I hope that explains a TON! It'd be cool if the "Lords of Kobol" were the seraphs and the One True God was Lorne Greene

  • April 18, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    I have'nt been this sad since...

    by The Shyster

    Shane dropped a hand-grenade sandwich into Lem's lap.<br> <br> I seriously cried. This is so fucked up...<br> <br> ***SPOILERS***<br> <br> I mean... did they (the writers) really have to do that? I'm not talking from a character stand point, don't get me wrong. I know Cally was a PT supporting character at best, but putting a mother through the ringer like that, only to have this BITCH steal her kid and blow her out the airlock like that...<br> <br> =*( * *

  • April 18, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I disagree Shyster.

    by Lt.Mindcrime

    I think we're seeing something here. Tori's got a dark side. This is what we needed to see. Especially if she's going to Frak Baltar. She's always had a dark side...don't forget she was the one who came up with the idea of rigging the election. Tori may be an evil cylon...which is AWESOME!

  • April 18, 2008, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    The bitch didn't steal her kid. She saved the kid. she knew Callie couldn't stick around to reveal their secret, but rather than let Callie put them both out the airlock, she managed to get the kid out of harms way before doing what she had to do. Hey, Callie wanted to die. Let her. But don't punish the kid.

  • April 18, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    A couple spoilers for the future

    by jccalhoun

    I saw this behind the scenes video on Galactica Sitrep that has a couple spoilers in it (one scene of dialog is fairly spoilery of one of the storylines) I'm a bit surprised they let that out. Of course knowing tv the scene immediately after that one reveals that the conversation was totally wrong...

  • April 18, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST


    by Strabo

    How about you go fuck yourself, ehh? When the writers prove that they can actually answer all the questions by, you know, actually ANSWERING some, then we'll shut up.

  • April 18, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Lost and BSG

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    Lost and BSG are both in the same boat. Both seemed to be randomly wandering around answering questions only to create new mysteries, but now that BOTH have and end date to work towards, tey can BOTH map it out properly. I love both shows, and consider them 2 of the best on TV ever. Why do people feel the need to bash one and praise the other? <br><Br>now Heroes, on the other hand.... that's complete shite

  • April 18, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Back to BSG... *SPOILERS*

    by Strabo

    Wow. That was a great episode. I can't believe they did that. Still, RDM said that there would be several deaths this season, so, it shouldn't come as a big surprise, given how many of the other second tier characters they've killed over the course of the series. It's kind of funny though. All of Tyrol's deckhands in the miniseries are now dead. And two of them killed via airlock. <BR><BR>I have to say that I agree with DonnaDarko, for the most part. That was a _very_ dark episode. I don't think we can call it the darkest (Flesh and Bone, or Exodus Part 2 anyone?), but it's certainly pretty dark. <BR><BR>Oh, and Node, actions speak louder than words. The producers can polish each other's knobs on the podcast all they want, but I haven't seen shit on the show to convince me otherwise. And again, as history shows, RDM won't disappoint. From what I've heard, Abrams didn't provide a satisfactory end to Alias. So, enjoy your blind, and likely misplaced, faith. I hope it bites you in the ass.

  • April 18, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Oh, one more thing...

    by Strabo

    ...due to being at work, I wasn't able to pay quite as much attention as I'd like, but from what I saw, I really enjoyed the blurry camera work. Particularly the scene with Tyrol in the background with his audio faded out. Great work, that.

  • April 18, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST


    by thedottedlion

    Abrams has almost nothing to do with Lost anymore. Stfu and give lindelof/cuse their due.

  • April 18, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    ahhhh we have all agreed on something

    by snapple_ladys_lazy_eye

    that heroes is feckless shit. fucking x-men ripoff still pisses me off.

  • April 18, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    by Lt.Mindcrime

    Heroes is quite good...I don't know what you posers are talking about. As to Lost...That is TRULY shite! The fact is the show is more pompous than mac-users. It delights itself in the masterbation of it's own stories to a climax that you then have to get up and clean up after. Frankly BSG is the only quality show on TV...and it's gone by the end of 09.

  • April 18, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Stream failed.. last 4 minutes or so.

    by gotilk


  • April 18, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST


    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    once it hit 4pm Eastern, they stop streaming. Last 4 minutes: Callie wants to blow herself and baby out airlock, Tori talks her out of it, takes baby, then knocks out Callie. When she comes to, Callie is alone in airlock, and Tori opens it up. RIP Callie

  • April 18, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    One last's on now.

    by Lt.Mindcrime

    It's playing now!!!! Tune in at about 35 after to catch what you missed.

  • April 18, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST


    by snowpuff

    She doesn't just knock out Callie, she knocks her about 10 feet with some kind of super strength. Interesting revelation about the new cylons. Also, Tori the new Count Iblis?

  • April 18, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Snowpuff: regarding "super strength"

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    i didnt really think about it when it happened, but now that you mention it, i realize its not really a new revelation. In the original mini-series/pilot, leoben picks adama up off the ground by the throat, holds him up that way with his arm outstretched, and then throws him.

  • April 18, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by snowpuff

    Definitely, but we didn't know what these new cylons are capable of, whether or not they are "human" et cetera.<br> <br> Also did you notice they went out of their way to show ______ as very very dead?<br> <br> Why did they do that? Being shoved out the _______ not enough? Me thinks that's a clue to something.

  • April 18, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    is ____ as very very a clue?

    by EBF

    i think what's crazy is they found her body but tori never had to explain how she found the baby? does tyrol know? is he lying to adama is adama the final cylon? (ha,ha)

  • April 18, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    I don't know

    by snowpuff

    I think it's interesting that Callie says that ever since they got to the nebula, everything's been fracked up. At first glance, you think she's referring to the Chief's behavior, but I don't know. I think showing ______ as very dead might mean something. The producers have never bothered with that before. Maybe ______ is not as dead as they'd like us to think. She ain't in the last supper picture either.

  • April 18, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST


    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    im assuming that tori could just claim that she found the baby in the airlock control room (or whatever its called) where callie "left" it before killing herself. OR she could have brought it back to tyrol's uarters while he was gone, so tyrol just came back and found it alone.

  • April 18, 2008, 4 p.m. CST


    by Hairy Nutsack

    I was watching last week's preview and thinking to myself there's no way they're going to do that.<p> Wow, this show has balls.

  • But it's something I just find it necessary to avoid. Promo jockeys want to give the store away on some shows when they don't have enough confidence in their product to not spell it out.

  • April 18, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST

    My biggest fear is

    by jae683

    that they'll find Earth, and it's just a burned out husk, all because of (get this) ... global warming!

  • April 18, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST

    i know how this is going to end.-

    by alice 13

    they find earth and land on earth and meet earthlings but on this future dystopian earth no one is allowed to hug.

  • April 18, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Teaser Promos

    by secretcylon

    I have seen 7 out of 10 of them for this season and they are ALL very spoiler heavy. Don't know why they did this. BEWARE.

  • April 18, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    ALL this 'who is and isn't a Cylon' business

    by jae683

    reminds me of that old Dr. Pepper jingle. 'I'm a Cylon, He's a Cylon, She's a Cylon ... wouldn't you like to be a Cylon too.' Bah, now I'll never get that song out of my held.

  • April 18, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    The season has started extremely strong

    by Nabster

    the first two episodes have been fantastic. I think the timeframe of only one season has forced the showrunners to cut all the fat from the story line. Its been very dramatic and compelling, even stronger than Lost so far. *spoiler* Although I don't understand how the one eyed old man could be a cylon? *spoiler* His character has known Adama for years. If one was to claim he was planted all those years ago, how could they possibly know he would become a significant player? Especially when you consider the fact his character was a washed out drunk, only to be luckily given a second chance by Adama.

  • April 18, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST


    by Hairy Nutsack

    Oh I agree, they shouldn't have shown it in the previews, no doubt. Would have made for a much better surprise if they hadn't telegraphed it at all.<p> By balls I was referring to the fact that they did it at all.

  • April 18, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    re: Teaser Promos

    by snowpuff

    Secretcylon, where can I see those?

  • April 18, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    boomer and Cavell

    by EBF

    seemed cheap. but is it a setup for something even more? now Cavell seems to speak of himself and the "voting process" in a very interesting way. Also, what will happen if the Natalies are all dead? We seem to not care because we (spoiler) probably know D'ana will be unboxed.

  • April 18, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    I watched the final 15 mins on the edge of my seat, jaw on the f

    by Charlie Murphy

    what a great fucking episode... so many great scenes, about 3 times I yelled "HOLY FUCK!" at the screen. sweet scene at the start with adama and roslin... that final shot of the corpse will surely give me nightmares. christ almighty this show has kicked my ass 3 out of 3 this year.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    Don't mind telling you that I am speechless.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    EVIL all around

    by Alientoast

    Cavil lies and tries to kill the Sharons/Sixes/Lebonins. Tori is an evil bitch...this makes the Balter is teh anti-christ even more plausible, since his little shoulder devil seems to have great interest in Tori. Plus look at the previews next week...Tori seems to have some Aryan Race dogma coming on

  • April 18, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Baltar got the night off

    by SWEEP

    Too busy frakking the twelve disciples. :)

  • April 18, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    poor callie

    by darlin13

    like you didnt see THAT coming!?

  • April 18, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Nabster, I totally agree

    by neenerspb

    I've been telling my husband that I don't understand how they're going to explain the fact that Tigh has been friends with Adama for over 30 years (according to the show) and one would assume that he would have had to have aged. It makes me wonder just how special the final five are. Do they age? Tonight's episode was amazing. Can't wait for next week.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Starbucks crew

    by SWEEP

    Seems like she took a lot of major players(would you take a cylon to find earth?), what about Helo and Athena's kid? just another dropped plot point? Is Tori babysitting? and I guess theres not going to be any more space battles(not in the budget) The shows never going to have a satisfactory finish. Kinda just riding it out now

  • April 18, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Excellent Episode

    by bullet3

    I thought last week was pretty weak, but this was just brilliant. Cally's always been a favorite character of mine, and to see her go like that (I love how they showed being sucked out from her point of view). I'm crushed.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST


    by neenerspb

    Yeah, that seems a little off to me too although during the opening of one of the first two episodes this season didn't they show her dancing for him? I thought that was kinda weird too. Now this.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Not true SWEEP

    by bullet3

    According to a visual fx technician from the show interviewed on the Galactica Watercooler podcast after the season 4 premiere, there are several space battles still to come.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Ever notice the Cylon Model numbers?

    by Murraypalooza

    All the basestar Cylons are models 1 - 6, then Boomer is model number 8. The final five are 7, 9-12. I always found it peculiar that they spaced out the model numbers that way, with the 'final five' actually being split up around model number 7. And then having Boomer/Athena/Eight be programmed to never think of those models that followed her. Or any of the models, 1-6 for that matter. And I don't think you can just chalk it up to "us as the viewers being introduced to them that way" because we knew that Boomer was 8 early on, and Cavil is 1, De'anna is 3, etc.<br /><br /> So, is the 'final' cylon model #7, and thusly the bridge between the seven we currently know, and the four 'how can they be cylons?' cylons? Or is Tigh model #7, thusly more than likely the oldest and the one that has aged the most?<br /><br /> SPOILERS<br /><br /> In regards to the ending of tonights episode, I don't think that the slow-pan over Cally's dead body was any sort of hint. If they wanted you to possibly believe that she was the final cylon, then they wouldn't have shown that shot. I don't really think the future editing will be like 'HEY WE SHOWED YOU THAT CAMERA PAN OF HER CORPSE, NOW WE SHOWED YOU SHE'S ALIVE!' because it's not like they can simply return to a single shot of her being dead, and have it be a shock that she's now alive. The shock would be that she was a cylon, not that they showed her body to make us think she's dead.

  • April 18, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Love the Cylon on Cylon violence!!

    by Billyeveryteen

    However, the Cylon on Human violence is still very painfull..

  • April 18, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Excellent episode

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    in a so-far excellent season. My only gripe with tonight's ep was the Cylon base-star massacre which everyone (but the sixes and company) surely saw coming from a light year away. How could the skin-jobs who staged last week's coup be naive enough to think that Cavil wasn't going to return the favor with interest at the earliest opportunity?

  • April 18, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    the garbage scow

    by EBF

    that is actually a plot device for lee wouldn't adama have a better ship if he wanted to do a secret mission?

  • April 18, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I do alot of promo editing for Sci Fi and have done my fair share of battlestar promos. I've seen them at work and there's no real way for you to see them until they come out. I could show them to you but then I'd get in real big trouble and lose alot of work. This season i've edited a few character spots for BSG, they were all single character spots eg Gaius Baltar Pariah or Prophet? etc. Anyway, when I saw the episodic promos I remember being very surprised at how spoilerific they were.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST


    by Strabo

    Callie now joins the ranks of people like Ellen Tigh, Crashdown, Jammer, Kat, and Billy Keikeya. Formerly semi-prominent characters who have died. It's pretty unlikely that any of them are the final cylon. It's much more likely that it's one of the second tier characters who are still alive. Dualla, Gaeta, Zarek, Racetrack, or Cottle. For the final cylon to be one of the dead characters, since they're not in the cylon fleet, they'd have to be in hiding in the Colonial fleet. That's pretty unlikely. Well, that or they'd have to come back by another means...the ships of light, perhaps. <BR><BR>The final possibility is that the final cylon is one of the third tier characters. At that point you're looking at people like Hotdog, the Gunnery Sergeant (I don't even know her name), Seelix, or the medic played by Jamie Bamber's wife. I think it's highly unlikely that it's any of those characters as they'll want to pick a character that the audience picks up on immediately, rather than being left scratching their heads wondering who it could possibly be. <BR><BR>Oh, I had a thought about the current cylon civil war. The entire war was brought about by the deadlock in the vote, and the subsequent defection of Boomer from her model. Currently, we have six cylon models active. The resolution of the civil war will be that D'anna is unboxed to return their numbers to seven, such that there can't be a deadlocked vote, with the additional rule that members of a model may no longer cast independent votes.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST


    by d1138

    No, you don't.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    frak! frak! frakkity-frak!

    by oisin5199

    I didn't think they'd go there with the reveal in last week's promo, but damn they did. I wish it hadn't been given away. So does Tori suddenly have Cylon strength? Or was that just a good angle for a punch, because Callie went flying. Talk about a suffering character. I mean she went from being the cute, mousy engineer (almost like Kaylee on Firefly) to getting the crap beat out of her by a delusional Chief, to almost being executed by her own people, to being a miserable, abandoned, suffering mother with post-partem and now this. And that kid's going to be so messed up. <p> And would everyone quit with the 'dropped plot points' complaint? Just because the writers don't get to things on your timetable doesn't mean they've dropped plot points. I'm sure that Athena and Helo's baby has NOT been forgotten, as it's a pretty major part of the series. You can't have every character and every plot point hit every episode. Someone complained about no Zarek. Now we have Zarek. Just be patient, for frak's sake. It's not like this season is dragging so far. Damn! What a set of 3 episodes.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Le Vicious

    by flickchick85

    The cylons for the most part, while being excellent schemers, are a young race, and still very naive. The Cavils have always been the most worldly (They are number One, after all) while the Six's and Eight's have often been painted as the most naive/trusting. To me it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't expect Cavil's double-cross. Oh, and I loved this episode. Good riddance, Cally. Glad she didn't take her kid with her. Tory's becoming the most interesting of the Four. Never thought I'd say that. And that superstrength! Something tells me Tory's embracing her Cylon-ness, and when it comes down to the point where she has to pick a side, she's gonna side with the big bad cylons (and not the human-sympathizing cylons). I could be way off there, though.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Questions? - Maybe a spolier in there.

    by kdoc13

    OK, Can someone help me out with a few things. Somewhere along the way I think BSG got a little lost. 1.) Ok, there was a big push to have Helo and Athena's baby as this big plot point. Now it's just gone. There is also Nicky now who is a hybrid. WTF? It seems like there are going to be all kinds of little hybrid kids running around if this keeps up, why the big deal over the first one? 2.) Seriously, is there any good explanation for Starbuck coming back, unless she is the final Cylon? This is a show that for sci-fi, has tried to ground itself in a sense of reality. I know, I know, I am asking a lot here. But We've already learned that the Vipers have limited Oxygen supplies, can only go short range, and break pretty easily. So she is crushed due to high gravity, her viper explodes, she is able to find her way back to the fleet after at least three FTL jumps. WTF? Can we just out her as the final cylon and move on? 3.) By the way, why is it that all the worst Cylon haters and members of the resistance are all now Cylons? Does that just seem weak to anyone else, or is it just me? 4.) WTF happened to Boomer? She was one of the Cylons pushing for working with the humans the most, now she's talking about having stronger defense, siding with the group that still wants to wipe out the humans? When did this change happen, is it not a bit sudden? Does it not defy a little logic? Plus Cavil? I'm much better looking than creepy old dude, Boomer, what gives? 5.) So, if you kill off the 6's and 8's (with the exception of Boomer), and they can't download again, doesn't that Frak up the Cylons? I mean, isn't each group supposed to be responsible for some aspect of Cylon functionality? So, if you kill off one group, or two, aren't you like condemning yourself to failure? And what will this mean for naked boomer action in the future? 6.) So, D'Anna get's unboxed. No spoiler there, we all know it's coming. And there are no more 6's 8's and whatever Leobin is. Why would Cavil unbox her at all? Doesn't it seem like this is against what we've seen again? I don't know, I guess there's supposed to be a plan for this season, but so far it just doesn't fit in with the last three seasons.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    OK, I was wrong (re: Boomer/Cavil)

    by GregoryHarbin

    OK, so Cavil's frakking Boomer. Didn't see that coming. Whoever last week was saying that her dancing was a big deal and I said it wasn't, I was wrong, you were right, k, let's move on.<p> My thoughts:<p> 1. Didn't see the Boomer/Cavil relationship coming AT ALL.<p> 2. So is Natalie dead now?<p> 3. What's up with Starbuck? Is she the fifth F5, then?<p> 4. Why is Athena on the garbage ship? Did she volunteer? Surely Adama would want her with the fleet.<p> 5. Is Lee going to start ANOTHER coup d’état with Apollo--I mean Zarek? Why doesn't he just go ahead and take over the entire fleet. He's got the military behind him.<p> 6. Was Tori working as a Cylon, or as Tori when she took Nicky and airlocked Cally? She was acting really strangely, do you think that was her programming taking over? If so, not good.<p> 7. Finally: CALLY'S DEAD! WHAT THE FRAK. I love love love Nikki Clyne. I can't believe at all that she's dead. The show just won't be the same.<p> 8. Ron Moore said he's finished the podcasts for 403, 404, and this episode, 405. They're in the hands of, so whenever they get finished with the files, we'll get to hear TPTB's explanation for some of the drastic turns this show is taking.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST

    like I said, it's called patience

    by oisin5199

    for frak's sake, Helo and Athena's baby is NOT gone!! As it's pretty clear, the Final Five are a different kind of Cylon. We still don't know really what they are, so thinking that Nicky is a hybrid in the same way that the other baby is, is a huge assumption. And dude, you're watching a science fiction program. Obviously, forces are at work with Starbuck beyond what we known now. It's been pretty clear for some time now (especially since New Caprica), that Boomer has embraced her Cylonity and has cut all her ties to humanity. And of course, we don't know what the consequences of the Cylon civil war are yet. It just happened. Just keep watching.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    In-Head Callie

    by snowpuff

    What I wouldn't give to see Callie show up inside the Chief's head.<br> <br> But I still don't believe we've seen the last of her. Maybe as a dream, maybe as in-head Callie, maybe as the final cylon... I don't know.<br> <br> I think she'll be back!

  • April 18, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    the other thing about Tori vs. Callie

    by oisin5199

    Since Callie already had the inside panel open with the green button lit, everyone's going to assume it was a suicide. Including the Chief. Will Tori tell him? I don't think there was any 'programming' involved (that would be too easy). I think it was simply her being incredibly devious by pretending to help Callie and killing her to keep their secret. Tori's quickly becoming the most dangerous, because it seems like she's turning into something totally amoral. Anders has his irrational love for Starbuck, Tigh has his devotion to duty and Adama, and his (still) undying hatred for the Cylons, Tyrol has (had) his family, while Tori has nothing, besides a half-hearted devotion to Roslin which she'll drop in a second when it suits her. I think without Callie, Tyrol will become more dangerous himself, but I think he'll still have a strong moral center underneath it all.

  • April 18, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Maybe she's Count Iblis

    by snowpuff

  • April 18, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    Christ, what a badass episode! BSG is a strong 3 for 3 this season. The social climate in both fleets is disintegrating fast, characters are starting to completely lose it, and things are getting dark. I love the fact major characters we've grown to really care about can still be killed off in ugly, ugly ways.<p> Can't wait to see where this is going.

  • April 19, 2008, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Callie and 8

    by frakthetoasters

    I wonder if Callie was on some kind of post-partum medication? and what was that 8 doing Frenching Dean Stockwell who was covered in Cylon birthing goo? Bring back Xena I mean...3!

  • April 19, 2008, 12:16 a.m. CST

    rip callie

    by damnkenyans

    Well, i for one didn't see this coming. I am also worried about the extremes that Tori is now embracing. What about Tigh? The "I can't stand your faces" line makes me believe that they are all going to get put through the ringer as the eps air. I'm still lost over Apollo's desire to side with Zarek. It seems that he just wants to stir up trouble. Maybe he has insight to the Pres physical situation and wants to prevent the Z man from having too much power when she finally does die. I wonder how this will play in the eps to come...

  • April 19, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    That look on Anders' face.

    by gotilk

    When Starbuck's back is to him was classic.

  • April 19, 2008, 12:36 a.m. CST

    All TV needs to be like this

    by br1947

    ALL TV. Fuck 200 channels to chose from, give me one channel with shows like this and Lost on 24/7, I'll buy anything they advertise!

  • April 19, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Oh, and horray for Zarek's return!

    by br1947

    Final cylon = original Apollo

  • April 19, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    answering a few questions...

    by Strabo

    OK, here are some answers for a couple of questions posed above. <BR><BR> Hera, Helo and Athena's baby has been a plot point that only makes occasional appearances for quite some time. After her birth, she disappeared until the New Caprica arc. Then she was again absent until the Eye of Jupiter episodes. After that, she was again largely absent until the shared dream sequence between Caprica Six, Roslin, and Athena in 3x19. So, historically, she only really pops up every ten episodes or so anyway. That means her last appearance in 3x19 was only five episodes ago. It hasn't been that long. <BR><BR> As I stated earlier in the thread, Ronald D. Moore has stated that the Final Five are not like the other cylons. He said that the fourth season would change our idea of what a cylon is. Search for my earlier post for more info. <BR><BR> RDM has also stated unequivocably that Kara is NOT the final cylon, and that the final cylon is NOT present in the BSG Last Supper pic. I really wish people would pay attention to this so that we don't have to keep repeating it. See the Last Supper pic here: <BR><BR> Boomer's character arc has been very well developed. About as well as Athena's arc. In "Downloaded" Caprica Six and then Galactica Boomer decided to change THE PLAN from annihilating the Colonials to trying to atone for their attempted genocide by acting as a shepherd for the remaining Colonials. The unwarranted, to Boomer anyway, insurrection on New Caprica permanently soured her on humanity. She considers them ungrateful for what the cylons were willing to provide for them. So, no, it's not a bit sudden or illogical. <BR><BR> Also, no, the 2s, 6s, and 8s are not dead. Presumably there are more of them on the basestars controlled by the 1s, 4s, and 5s. If not, presumably there are more bodies on the Resurrection Ship that could be woken up to take their place. Also, yes, presumably the Natalie version of Number Six is presumed dead.<BR><BR> Finally, I find it funny that someone above complains about there not being any more fleet battles when the episode that aired tonight included one. Talk about a REALLY short-term memory. <BR><BR> Oh, half of what I typed above is pretty easy to gather from watching the third season. The DVDs are out there. Hell, torrents are out there. Try watching the show before asking questions with easy answers.

  • April 19, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Oh, one more thing, dammit...

    by Strabo

    ...a couple of people mention the ships of light above as being in tonight's episode. I've seen the episode twice now, and I don't recall seeing them. If you're talking about the three lights in Kara's memory of the gas giant and comet, those are clearly meant to be the three stars in the ternary system. This is also, by the way, likely the Alpha Centauri system, consisting of two Sol-like stars, Alpha Centauri A and B, and Proxima Centauri, a brown dwarf removed from the immediate interactions of A and B. Proxima Centauri is also the closest star to our own. Also of interest is the fact that astronomers do not believe that gas giant formation would be possible in the Alpha Centauri A/B pairing due to the gravitational interaction between those two stars. So, if the system Kara was shown is in fact Alpha Centauri, the writers are probably wrong about the gas giant.

  • April 19, 2008, 1:38 a.m. CST


    by gotilk

    Hell, I close my eyes when the drums kick in during the opening sequence.

  • April 19, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Weak Streak Continues

    by wallygogo

    This season has been sub-par. While Lost's 4th season has stepped up, BSG has remained in the rut of season 3.

  • April 19, 2008, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Amen gotilk...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I turn my head away from the TV when those goddam drums start playing. This is pretty much the only thing I hate about the show.

  • April 19, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    so the toasters will rebel AGAIN agsinst the newer cylons

    by Jubba

    so it looks like the toaster cylons don't like taking orders from the new model cylons. that makes me think that when the toasters rise up against the human-esque cylons, they will realise that they are no different from the humans they tried to destroy and they will kill themselves, getting rid of all cylons just as the humans find earth. thoughts?

  • April 19, 2008, 2:05 a.m. CST


    by Strabo

    The safe assumption would be that the toasters that had their inhibitors removed were all destroyed in the cylon fleet battle tonight. I think even Natalie realized that they couldn't be controlled without the inhibitors, so I doubt she'd repeat her mistake again.

  • April 19, 2008, 3 a.m. CST

    the cylons are closer to earth than we think

    by Holodigm

    go watch the episode again, i believe it's when all the basestars finish their jump (right before getting blown up). look in the bottom left of the screen, and you can CLEARLY see the Orion constellation!

  • April 19, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST


    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    The problem with seeing "the Orion Constellation" is that unless you are looking at it from the same angle as from Earth, it would not look the same. Patterns of dots (or stars in this case) in a 3-dimensional environment are all dependent on perspective.

  • April 19, 2008, 4:06 a.m. CST


    by Strabo

    Excellent catch! That is clearly the Orion Constellation. Unfortunately, all this tells us is that Earth lies upon the axis formed by a line between the constellation and the camera. Either between the location of the Cylon fleet and the stars of the constellation, or directly behind (antipodean to) the camera's viewpoint. <BR><BR>The stars that make up the constellation range from about 250 light years away to 1300 ly distant, so, the closer you get to the constellation, the more distorted the constellation would become due to parallax. The parallax would work both ways too. So, yes, Holodigm is definitely correct. The Cylon fleet is probably pretty damn close to Earth already.

  • April 19, 2008, 6:49 a.m. CST

    frak me

    by redfishbluefish

    that episode was harsh. i'm exhausted. definitely a huge turn of events. i think with this episode they have finally successfully merged the classic "stand alone" episode with 'serialized' events. well done.<p> now back to our regularly scheduled program "Kara Thrace and the Shitmobile- Adventures in Space"

  • April 19, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    I don't what?

  • April 19, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Tori and stuff

    by Alientoast

    "Was Tori working as a Cylon, or as Tori when she took Nicky and airlocked Cally? She was acting really strangely, do you think that was her programming taking over?" programming. Tori has the hawts for Tyrol...she was saving her own skin, removing a rival, and creating a situation (single parent) that would allow her to conceivably get closer to Tyrol. As for the Cylons, we can assume that not all the Sixes and Sharons are dead. RDM has said that 3 Cylon models will be perma-killed this season. Since Athena/Boomer/Caprica Six are such integral cylon characters, it doesn't make sense that they will all be killed...especially since Caprica and Athena aren't even within the Cylon fleet and thus would be (largely) immune from the immediate effects of the civil war. This sneak attack will be a setback, but IMO the Cavils will eventually lose since D'Anna gets unboxed.

  • April 19, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    There's an episode of DS9 where nog loses his leg from the knee down. In a subsequent episode, he loses himself in song as a way of coping with the trauma. Chief O'brien will have a spirited discussion with Admiral Sisko at Joe's I mean Quark's. Chief O'brien will shake hands with Gull Dukat. I really liked Husker in the Razor flashbacks. It would be cool to see him again.

  • April 19, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Lee will be revealed to be the final model

    by proevad

    This has to be where this whole political angle to the show is going. Lee will be the Obama like leader who will unite the two races. (or species?)in this case. But is he fully cylon or a hybrid? Is there such a thing as a full cylon or full human anymore? Remember the add campaign "All" will be revealed? Didn't see the Cally out the airlock scene coming. I actually jumped when Tori attacked her.

  • April 19, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST


    by snowpuff

    Some of what ya posted is wrong. I believe most of the 2, 6 and 8s are now indeed finished. Not all, but most.

  • April 19, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Wow - just wow!

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    What an episode! This show gets better and darker everytime.

  • April 19, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Amazing piece of art - naysayers take schlong in chute

    by Behemoth

    People call this episode "slow" or say it didn't "advance the plot" enough??? You are grade A morons. This was an unbelievable piece of television. The shot where Anders is looking up at Kara from beneath the grating...the flashbacks re: Cally, the Cylons betraying each other, the atmosphere of insanity aboard Starbuck's ship...just incredible work on this.

  • April 19, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    by dj_bollocks

    ahhh the darkness ! maybe tori's programming is to protect all cylon/human offspring... there are at least 2 now... and does the note signify anything ? it's back in the doorway now ?

  • April 19, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Who's a Cylon...

    by BizarroJerry

    It's funny how this show has become "Who's a Cylon?" It was never really a plotline I was interested in. I thought fighting them for survival was enough.<p>You gotta give it up to Grace Park for takin' one for the team, kissin' that 70 year old man.

  • April 19, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST


    by jae683

    the Obama like leader? lololol

  • April 19, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    This is the very first time one of Final Five (Tory) does something that is diabolical (i.e. extremely evil and cruel).

  • April 19, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by Manos

    The Obama-Like leader who unites both races??? Please, the man can't even unite his own party.

  • April 19, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    snowpuff, Alientoast

    by Strabo

    I just read through the entire spoiler list at Patriot Resource. They don't seem to list anything about any of the cylons being perma-killed/boxed. Do you have a cite for that? Even if that's true, I highly doubt they'd do it this early in the season. Particularly with models as integral as Six and Eight. If they were to kill off three of the existing models, it would likely be the models they use the least. 4, and 5, likely (Simon and Doral). After that, it's a toss-up between 1 and 2 (Cavil and Leoben). <BR><BR>Proevad: here it is, one more time for the slow people. THE FINAL CYLON IS NOT PRESENT IN THE LAST SUPPER PICTURE. Got it? Say it with me, one more time. THE FINAL CYLON IS NOT PRESENT IN THE LAST SUPPER PICTURE. What does this mean? LEE IS NOT THE FINAL CYLON. Nor are Roslin, Baltar, Kara, Helo, or Admiral Adama.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    my guess how they end it all...

    by irrelevntelefant

    they reach earth and discover they are all cylons. <P> roslyn doesn't die and she hooks up with adama. <p> after their first night of love making, they fall peacefully asleep. <p> adama wakes up in what appears to be a strange bed. the room is pastel shades of pink and turquoise, miami sound machine can be heard faintly in the background. a wall calander reads "july 1984"<p> just then tubbs and crockett enter the room - crockett "Castillo, man, someone slipped you some laced Columbian brown. You've been trippin hard for like 3 days now". <p> Jan Hammer music rises as a speed boat races away <p> cut/scene/print

  • April 19, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    the four

    by zooch

    Why is it such a big deal for them to keep their identities a secret? What are they afraid of? Athena is a cylon within the fleet and no one cares anymore.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST


    by I Hope You Die

    Tory is fast becoming my favorite character. Cylon and lovin' it! I don't think she has any programming; finding out she's a Cylon has just unleashed her inner sociopath. She's now free to do whatever she feels like.<p> They're really going to milk this final Cylon thing too. The ominous Gaeta reveal? Zarek manipulating Junior Adama? They're playing to all the fan theories.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Glad I missed this week's promo...

    by Bill Clay

    Shit! What a sucker punch when Callie flew out that airlock. I would have been PISSED if I had seen a promo giving away that ending. I agree with the other posters, I'm making a point of avoiding promos for the rest of the season.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Other stuff...

    by I Hope You Die

    Do we know that the Cylon basestars were destroyed? They were taking heavy damage but I don't know if they were destroyed. Maybe there's still time for a Centurion uprising to save them. Or something else.

  • April 19, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Great Ep...

    by Lemming

    1) Lee's quite the bastard when he wants to be isn't he?<p>2)Tori is clearly sociopathic. All that talk about seeing things differently etc. She's definitely a bad Cylon.<p>3)Cally getting airlocked was great TV, but felt a bit like injustice. She's never had a break, poor girl. :( <p>4)Those Vipers stuck on top of the Demetrius look a little awkward to get to if they are in a rush...

  • April 19, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST


    by Shan

    My sympathies that someone ruined the Season 1 finale for you. That was one of the most shocking surprises I've seen on TV for years, I was totally caught out by that and did not see it coming.

  • April 19, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST


    by Shan

    I'll take Boomer in the CIC/bridge with the pistol/sidearm.

  • April 19, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    About the constellations, shouldn't that also show when?

    by Shan

    After all, the constellations, not only do they exist from a particular point of view (ie Earth - which should also mean in the BSG Universe life *started* on Earth) but also a particular time frame, as too many years in the past or too many in the future means the star patterns would have changed.

  • April 19, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    One of the more artfully produced episodes...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I'm surprised how well this episode was directed. Was this by a new director to the show? (I'm too lazy to check.)<p><p>I'm going to miss Cally. The episode sort of teased early on that she could be the Final Five. But I'm afraid she's not -- there so far is no evidence that any of the Final Five can resurrect.<p><p>On a superficial note, I always suspected the actress who played Cally looks better without bangs. Nice to see that for her last appearance on the show, she had her bangs grown out.

  • April 19, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST


    by Strabo

    Thanks for your sympathy. The funny part is that I think Herc was the one who posted those spoilers. Oh well. It was still an incredible episode. <BR><BR>Quoting from Wikipedia: <BR><BR>"The configurations of the constellation Orion roughly formed about 1.5 million years ago, because of relative slow movements of stars within the constellation from earth's perspective (especially the belt of Orion). Orion will remain visible in the night sky for the next 1 to 2 million years, making it one of the longest observable constellations, parallel to the rise of human civilization." <BR><BR>So, unfortunately this doesn't tell us much about the time frame of the series.

  • April 19, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That was intense, dark, moody, and harsh. Compelling episode - one that's indicative of yet another season off to a fantastic start. I'll just echo Hairy Nutsack's words: this show has got balls. Balls the size of boulders. And RDM & Co. just keep finding ways to hit me over the head.

  • April 19, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Some Cylon/Human Reproduction Questions

    by thegimik

    Maybe this is just a plot hole, I don't know, but I was sitting here thinking about Human/Cylon babies and I don't really have an answer for these quesitons.... 1) If Cylons reporduce with humans would that not mean that the child would be a Cylon clone? Or would the DNA from each species mix to form something unique each and every time? I'll cite the following as an example: Boomer has a girl, Helo has a boy with curly hair no less. We have not seen much of Hera, but when we do, what are the odds that she will be Asian? 2) If the babies do end up looking like their Cylon model would that not rule out the whole all humanity are Cylons argument?

  • April 19, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius boy Tom Zarek has finally made his return. Get ready because I think he's going to be stepping more to the forefront. And something tells me that Romo Lampkin can't be far behind.<P>RIP Cally. Even though she was a lesser second-tier character, I'm sad to see her go. Such a waste of a perfectly hot little piece of Human/Cylon-mother ass.<P>Her death could equal Tyrol unleashed...

  • April 19, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by thegimik

    I meant Galen not Helo

  • April 19, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "This season has been sub-par. While Lost's 4th season has stepped up, BSG has remained in the rut of season 3."<P>I don't know what show you're watching but, thankfully, it's not the same one I've been tuning to.

  • April 19, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST


    by mobydick9

    the similarities to moby dick please me. starbuck helming her own ship makes her seem (ironically) like ahab, and earth the white whale. if she pulls out three marines to enforce her bidding on the ship i wouldn't be surprised.

  • April 19, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    How can this TB not be #1?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    The G.I. JOE thread is still in the top spot?! Are you kidding me?<P>Come on kids. Post it up.<P>THIS. IS. GALACTICA!!!

  • April 19, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Understanding Tory...

    by I Hope You Die

    You've been on the run from a superior force for the past several years, thousands of people have died, your home planet was annihilated, and the odds of your survival remain minuscule. You just found out, however, that you're actually on the winning team. You may even be immortal! Maybe, despite your occupation, you were never actually part of the in-crowd and you've just been elevated from one of the rabble to a major player. Wouldn't you embrace your destiny?

  • April 19, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    prof pop culture regarding your question

    by gwarwilleatyou

    Michael Nankin (who I've never heard of) directed the episode. He has done others including Scar, Maelstrom, and the Passage. He did a few American Gothic episodes and one episode of Picket Fences.

  • April 19, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    gawrwilleatyou re: Nankin

    by Pennsy

    Nice screen name, BTW; whenever I think of Gwar, Beavis and Butt-head come to mind. ;) Before this, Nankin directed Maelstrom, The Passage and Scar, so he's been a Starbuck-centric director up until last night.

  • April 19, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    The 2's, 6's, and 8's

    by flickchick85

    We didn't see the end of that ambush, so I don't think they're finished. Maybe some of them (did we see ONE baseship explode?), but I don't think that's the last we've seen of the Six in charge ("Natalie"), because she's been hyped by the promo material as a very important part of the season (and in the Last Supper picture). I don't know how they're gonna survive, but I for one would LOVE to see the centurions come to the rescue.

  • April 19, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    MNG re:Zarek...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I had the opportunity to have dinner with Richard Hatch along with some other fans last November. Among the many things we talked about, he told us we'd be seeing plenty of Tom Zarek this season.<p> The most surprising thing about Mr. Hatch to me was that he is the biggest fan of Galactica I have ever met. His passion for the show really surprised me.

  • April 19, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST


    by Shan

    I was under the belief that the majority of the zodiac symbols (maybe that's what I should have said, not constellations) only came into alignment as we see them now a few thousand years ago and will move out of their current appearance in a few thousand years. Here's my theory: The only way the Colonials could have gotten the twelve colony symbols to look very much like the zodiac star patterns we can only see from Earth, then life had to have started on Earth, not Kobol in the BSG universe. Someone had to take it from Earth to Kobol, then set up that holographic projection on Kobol, with an appearance of Earth's night sky which they could only have if they'd been there first/before and that the 13th tribe returned to Earth. I'm hoping that when they find Earth, it's in the future and not the past. I think it would be especially poignant to find ancient ruins of cities which are our present day modern ones with recognisable major buildings/structures - pyramids, Statue of Liberty, Eiffel Tower etc. The time frame because of the constellations from the zodiac would peg the show in our (relatively near) future because too far in the past or too late, there would have been no star patterns to see like our present day zodiac. This is assuming the writers are following this logic. After all it's possible in this universe "All along the Watchtower" wasn't written by Bob Dylan, or even that there was a Bob Dylan ...

  • April 19, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I think Baltar's cult will kill themselves

    by happybunni

    This season is going to be death death death. Suicides, murders, accidents.

  • April 19, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by snowpuff

    Good point. That sounds like something that would happen to Baltar.

  • April 19, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Resurrection distance...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    You know they really did screw that one up. Leoben was too far away from Cylon space to D/L on Ragnar Anchorage. Boomer was WAY farther out into space by the time she got wacked by Cally.<p>

  • April 19, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Ain't it Cool Needs to Get it's Facts Straight

    by kenichi tanaka

    First off, I don't know where the fuck Aint it Cool News gets their information from but obviously they're sucking someonebody's balls because this isn't the end of the daytime feeds.<br><br> Secondly, this is perhaps the worst episode I ever seen. Rom Moore has failed with most of the second season, the entire third season and with the exception of the second episode of this current season, this season is starting to suck as well.

  • April 19, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    By all means kenichi,

    by mrfan

    Don't hold back. Share your feelings.

  • April 19, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Dirk Benedict is the final cylon...

    by banditmania

    oh yeah.

  • April 19, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Kenichi: You thought this was the worst?

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    For real? Actually, I enjoyed this episode as much as the premiere. It was nice to have seen some focus on Cally, even if it was only to kill her off.<p><p> A part of me kind of still hopes that she could be the Final Cylon. (Cally being the Final would also tie in with Deanna apologizing to the Final.) It could also explain why she wanted to get with Tyrol -- the Final Cylons need to reproduce.

  • April 19, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    This Season... missed scenes??

    by Oldnewbie

    It does seem as though we've missed some scenes... like why Tyrol and Boomer don't seem to be together, where there chi;d is, and why a quarter of the shows cast is off with Starbuck. I wonder if we are getting edited versions only so that "directors cuts" will be there for us to buy down the road. Dunnno... might be. Also, as to why Tighe has been around so long, its possible he may have been the first model made, just cause he's number whatever now doesn't mean he wasn't an original. The first attempts may have faild and he was the first to succeed... yet still was more human than machine, hence he ages. The other three with him may have also been flawed models... just speculating. And what the frak is wrong with Roselyn, other than her illness? She is setting up what appears to be a judical dictatorship. Was she that pissed off about the Baltar Trial??

  • April 19, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    kenichi tanaka

    by optimus122


  • April 19, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    What's going on with the podcasts?

    by kuryakin

    Last one was the Razor writers' meeting. Is RDM not doing them this season? Anyone know what's happening?

  • April 19, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Callie IS the final Cylon

    by Evil_Imp

    she's not gone for good , she will return

  • April 19, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    kenichi tanaka...

    by adrock303

    You have to be joking. Listening to you slam this show, clearly the best on tv, makes me think you're either half-retarded or deaf and blind. Best acted, and more importantly best written show on tv right now. I also love Lost, but BSG surpassed it a long time ago. This last episode was awesome. Far from boring. The character development is excellent and necessary. We can only hope the rest of this season is as good as these first 3 episodes.

  • April 19, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    I think the final cylon will be Roslin.

    by mrfan

    I bet she dies of her cancer. Everyone will grieve for her. Very sad episode. Then she will return in her true full glory and explain the plan(s) of the cylons. Everyone will be caught off guard.<p> Also, I really have wondered if they are going the wrong way. I know if I was Adama I would certainly be doing just that. He knows that there might be Cylons aboard the ship. He knows they are being followed. I sure as hell wouldn't want them to be going to earth. Like leaving bread crumbs for the Cylons. Just handing them Earth.

  • April 19, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Tory evil? nothing compared to Colonel Tigh

    by ulcer

    Seriously, she's the most evil final 5 according to you? What did she do, save a baby and flush out a woman that was dangerously out-of-control who just almost killed her husband. Please <br><br> Colonet Tigh created human suicide bombers!! Kill his own wife!! Executed cruely mostly innocent people believed to have conspired with the cylon!! Ect. he has a history!

  • April 19, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Wnanahara7: about distance to resurection ship

    by ulcer

    there was a whole episode about it. In that episode the cyclon would have died permanently because they were to far away from a resurrection ship. In the episode called "resurection ship", it was also mentionned their purpose is that the cylon home world is too far away for the conciousness to return.

  • April 19, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Why is it...

    by I Hope You Die

    Whenever somebody says the show has gone to shit they pinpoint some absurdly early point in time? "Oh, it was fine up until Episode 3 of Season 1, I've been disappointed ever since!" Here's a clue: If you think Season 2 and 3 were crap, you probably just don't like the show.

  • April 19, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Lightship comin' our way, thanks to Bucky's painting..

    by Billyeveryteen

    Ask Zarek, and his white uniform.

  • April 19, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    by damnkenyans

    I love how people keep posting their guesses that are in the "last supper" photo just so Strabo and Wnanahara7 will type in all caps. I know they say that the final cylon is not in the pic, but pleeze - what if they are? Certainly you are not going to simply take their word for it. Six months from now they may be saying "whoops - we lied". SECONDLY - with all the discussion concerning the resurrection ship. What is going to happen to the cylon homeworld in the long-term, regardless of happens to the cylon fleet. Are they warring at home as well?

  • April 19, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Boomer resurrected on ...

    by Shan

    ... a resurrection ship within range of the fleet and was then flown to Caprica. That was my take on things, anyway.

  • April 19, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Tori was just protecting her man.

    by ZeroCorpse

    Callie was out of control, suicidal, homicidal, and a threat to the Galactica Secret Cylon Club! She killed Boomer without provocation. She attempted to kill Tyrol. She nearly killed her OWN BABY.<p> Tori... <p> 1. Saved an innocent child from death.<p> 2. Defended herself and her friends from extinction. <p> 3. Eliminated a killer who attacked people who weren't threatening her. <p> 4. Stood by her man. <p> Callie wasn't a good person. She was cute, but she was most definitely bipolar or mentally disturbed in some way... Even prior to marrying Tyrol. <p> I really hope the final one isn't her.

  • April 19, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Why would the final Cylon be on Galactica?

    by ZeroCorpse

    I mean, wouldn't they have heard the music and joined the others?!?!

  • April 19, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST


    by Le Vicious Fishus

    I see your point, but I don't buy that any 6 would be naive enough to think Cavil wouldn't be capable of a double-cross. If she had been that guileless, she couldn't have pulled off the trick she played on him in S4.2 (i.e., giving centurions free will). Here's hoping all is not as it seems, and that she's going to ultimately turn the tables on the nihilist-cylon, Cavil. <BR><BR>One other gripe regarding this otherwise excellent episode. I found Callie's serious drug problem to be all too convenient and out of nowhere. The writers pulled it out of the blue with no prior lead-up. They should've established that she had a growing drug problem in earlier episode, and because they didn't, I couldn't buy it. <BR><BR>In fact, I thought that a couple of moments when Callie was walking about Galactica in a hazy stupor were bordering on absurd. I know the drugs gave the director an excuse to film some admittedly really cool moments (e.g., Tyrol's out-of-focus, mechanical-sounding dialogue just before Callie whacks him good). Ultimately, though, I think the pills she was taking were unnecessary to the overall plot and in fact did a disservice to the character. Again, it was just too damned convenient that her suicide could be blamed on a drug problem instead of posing a serious mystery.

  • April 19, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I meant "apparent suicide" of course

    by Le Vicious Fishus

  • April 19, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Athena on Starbuck's Stink Ship

    by frakthetoasters

    Is it me or was Athena the only one not sweating on that ship?

  • April 19, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST


    by PunkLunchbox

    i'm surprise no one has said this yet, but if someone has then my apologies. when i watched this episode last night, i 100% interpreted tori's actions as her programming kicking in, in order to save the life of the half cylon half human baby that callie was about to blow out the airlock with her. it's been seen time and time again that obtaining athena and helo's hybrid baby was a top priority for the cylons, in fact a major point of the cylons' actions in the first half of this show as a whole were that they were trying to obtain hybrid babies.

  • April 19, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Good points, ZeroCorpse

    by NoHubris

    It could be said that Tory is a hero. However, consider this:<p>One of her reasons for killing Cally was to conceal the existence of the Four<p>(2)Cally handed the baby over to her so the danger had passed. The child was safe and out of imminent danger<p>(3) Tyrol is alive. Cally did NOT kill him.<p>Clearly, the punishment does not fit the crime -- Tory committed an act of cold blooded murder IMHO.

  • April 19, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    meant to say...(1) One of her reasons for killing...

    by NoHubris

  • April 19, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Thought the same thing NoHubris.

    by mrfan

    Agree with your statements about Tory. Also, at least from the previews, it looks as though the four Galactica cylons are starting to lose it a bit. I think we will see more reactions from each as time goes on. Big ones. Different ones.

  • April 19, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    My theory is this:

    by mrfan

    When the show first started I think the Cylons did want to wipe the humans out completely. They seemed to not have any concerns about it. Slowly they have stopped that. I think they now realize that they need us. They still need to grow and cannot do that without the humans or so they believe. Must believe that the human race can still offer something of value to them. Of course they will attack. But I seriously think that if they wanted to destroy the gang at Galactica then they would have done it sooner. Now, with knowledge that the final five are in the fleet they will have to change their plans. It will be fun and interesting to see what direction(s) they go with that.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Or better yet.

    by mrfan

    Maybe the final Cylon is the one who started the music to draw the others out. Maybe it was time for the "big" plan to go into effect. Time for the puppet master to pull the strings.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST


    by Freefinger

    They just lost me as a viewer... Whether they tried to go dark or not in this episode, I thought that Hollywood once had a code of conduct about how to show child endangerment. BG failed miserably.<P>All of us who actually would kill ourselves before hurting the hair on one of our kids would have to say that this episode was the worst ever show on any tv.<P>Showing about a couple of ways to kill off your kid is plain irresponsible from them. Showing Cally going into a depression phase we can take, it's a grown woman, but having her look at her child with those pills, then her walking into the bay ready to kill herself with the kid "because he's Silon" that's plain retarded¸<P>The best thing I saw was when they had shown that Helo loved his kid whether he was Silon or not. This was great, to show how a parent feels (SHOULD FEEL) about their kids, whether they are perfect or imperfect in some way, but this one where they actually show a child almost being killed.<P>I loved this show, last year it went slow, almost boring to the way that I would've turned to the other channel, but I stuck in there. Now they say "last season" I told myself that even if it was a reflection of last year, I would see it thru.<P>I saw this 4.3 and now I will turn to the other channel. They disgusted me to the bones. The Producers, the Director, the writers and the actors should be ashamed of this episode.<p>Killing your kids ain’t something to play around with. I don’t care if they say “We wanted to really get in there and show the psyche of the character and how she’s not doing so well!”. They crossed the line.<p>A lot of people might say that they’re just showing the dark side of war, or stress, ect ect… and to the fact that people do have these dark ideas when under this kind of pressure or else, yes, but to show it in a series and not even make a point out of it is irresponsible to the max.<P>Hollywood once held it’s grounds about these situation, and in the past few years it has gone down to the point where people just see this as normal. It isn’t, should it be kept off air? No, but it belongs in information bulletin on the news, it should be talked about on show like Oprah, investigation reports anything that can show you how to make it thru without harming your child, it should not be in tv series to make a point like this one, which by the hand had none.<p>If a producer or one of the major characters on the show reads this, I hope they’ll take the issue with the heads about keeping the kids out of harm’s way from now on, ‘cause they just lost some viewers with one episode and it wasn’t because it was boring. Either that or walk off the set. I’d do it.<P>The hell with them. <P>Fuck Battlestar Galactica.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Are you fucking high? That has got be one of the most over the top bullshit posts I've ever read on this site. It offends me.<P>Get some fucking perspective.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Kudos on having a chance to meet (and eat) with Richard Hatch! Glad to hear that there's more Zarek on the way. (I always knew there would be. Heh.)<P>It's amazing how much of a fan Hatch became after seeing all the avenues that were to be explored in RDM's vision. I know he wanted to pursue a different version that he lobbied for quite some time. But he was one of the first to recognize the new show's potential and already apparent greatness.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Kudos on having a chance to meet (and eat) with Richard Hatch! Glad to hear that there's more Zarek on the way. (I always knew there would be. Heh.)<P>It's amazing how much of a fan Hatch became after seeing all the avenues that were to be explored in RDM's vision. I know he wanted to pursue a different version that he lobbied for quite some time. But he was one of the first to recognize the new show's potential and already apparent greatness.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Ugh. Double post.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

  • April 19, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Six of one, half a dozen of another

    by bswise

    But what if that's it for the Two, Sixes, and Eights? The remaining copies of Eight would just be Boomer and Athena on Dimetrius. The remaining Sixes would be Caprica in the Brig on Galactica and the one in Baltar's head. With their model's destroyed and denied resurrection, aren't those copies just as mortal as any human? (And, I guess the Twos could be just "number two" out of luck.) <p> Could this be what happened with the final five? That they were destroyed, except for one copy each, by the Ones, Threes, and Fives for claiming to have a soul, which Cavill denies machines are capable of having? <p> Question, I've missed most of the first and second seasons. Was it revealed that Baltar is definitely not the final Cylon? He can't quite be entirely human can he, what with a Caprica 6 in his head? And Caprica 6 having her own head-Baltar? (Is Baltar's own head-Baltar the same as Caprica 6's head Baltar?)

  • April 19, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Resurrection Ships and Distance

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I don't remember all the details but...didn't Cavil say something else about a particular server that was also part of the download process?

  • April 19, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST


    by br1947

    While that alone is quite flame worthy... I have to echo MNG: Are you fucking high? Don't reproduce, if you already have, do them a favor and find them someone sane to raise them. Last thing the world needs is more dipshits like you running around claiming Oprah will solve the world's problems.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    I concur regarding the instability of final cylons. Tigh, Tyrol, and Tory seem as if they could go crazy at any moment.<p>Anders is the only sane, rational one - for now, at least.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:53 p.m. CST


    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Yes, by all means: let's censor ANYthing we see in any form of media or art that offends our oh-so-delicate sensibilities! Oh my dear friend, it's a DAMNED good thing that kids never die in real life (or that mothers never kill their own children). What a fucking hellhole THAT reality would be.<BR><BR>Damn you to HELL, Ron Moore--you sick fuck! What kind of twisted, bizarre monster could allow a storyline to be developed in which a child--nay, a TODDLER--was in danger of dying!? Will drug-deluded, BSG-watching mothers all over the world now consider murder/suicide due to your hideously evil show? Probably!!!<BR></SARCASM>

  • April 19, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST


    by mrfan

    After your post I got to thinking about Anders. My guess is that if he starts to develop any issues it would be around Starbuck. That would make for some great conflict.

  • April 19, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST


    by Le Vicious Fishus

  • April 19, 2008, 11:56 p.m. CST


    by Le Vicious Fishus

  • April 20, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Twos, Sixes and Eights

    by NoHubris

    My hunch is that there are still copies walking around on Cylon-occupied Caprica.

  • April 20, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST


    by mrfan

    I can understand your point(s). If that is truly how you feel then I can imagine your television viewing is somewhat limited. Kids, babies, and children are constantly in danger on the boob tube in this day and age. Please share with the rest of us exactly what television shows are acceptable to watch. I am curious about your viewing habits.

  • April 20, 2008, 12:16 a.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    Great catch.<p>It does look like Starbuck is Anders' weakness. The last scene with her showed that she how really manipulate him emotionally. And remember when she went after Roslin, he stopped the guard from attacking her and also took a blow from Kara without even attempting to protect himself.<p>You are definitely onto something.

  • April 20, 2008, 12:24 a.m. CST

    great ep

    by Molly_Millionz

    I'm confused about the posters who say "nothing happened" this episode. it was one of the crazier ones! Cylon civil war, base stars attacking base stars, allusions so the centurions perhaps feeling like they're treated like slaves after being given independent thought, Callie going nuts (yes, it was a bit of a plot device) and then getting killed by Tory. I thought it was one of the better eps. Oh and about the final cylon... I know that in earlier seasons BSG made some small logistical blips like having boomer resurrect possibly too far from the ressurection ship, etc, but what about when Leoben told Rosalin that Adama's a cylon? Was that a blip in the plotline or a misdirect? Or maybe the truth?

  • April 20, 2008, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by NoHubris

    MNG posts are always welcome in any AICN TB, especilly BSG TBs --even if they are double posts. :-)<p>BTW, as alluded to by bswise, the jury is still out on the download and resurrection process. We still aren't sure what happens when a skinjob "dies" and cannot download into another copy. But the server issue you raised would be a huge factor in that respect.

  • April 20, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Hmm... I've only been watching Gallactica about three months...

    by only1ofme

    ...I watched of the first three seasons over a very short period of time. I can't help but notice while the first season was taught, edge of your seat suspense and the second was taught, edge of your seat suspense and character development, and the third was an interesting new direction this season is definitely ... slower. Much, much, slower. I hope it picks up. While I love intellectual drama, I also love me some action scenes or, c'mon, at least threat of independent doom. Potential socio-political issues just doesn't cut it for me. Where's the life or death? It also bothers me how so many characters this season have really changed their personalities. While I understand it's probably part of the overall "plan," as a viewer I feel cheated when it seems like the rug is pulled out on you with _every_ character. Hey, why not mix it up? Have some characters undergo drastic personality changes while others stay the same. Isn't that what happens in real life? But don't make this some bass-akwards upside down right is wrong universe of new people. Also, I think the fifth cylon is Zarek. Because the four other new cylons are all people who are very much rabble-rousers and guerrilla warfare types, and he was the original terrorist. Plus, it would be a great "Oh-sh*t" moment since he's vice president. Also, didn't he play Apollo in the first series? So wouldn't that be a bit of poetic irony of the sort story people love?

  • April 20, 2008, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Starbuck and Anders

    by Molly_Millionz

    mrfan and nohubris's discussion about anders and starbuck made me think of something else too, they made a big deal of their latest "frak" me scene, even though that seems to happen often. wonder if starbuck is going to (or just got) pregnant with another human-cylon baby.

  • April 20, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Emma Watson turned 18 this past week

    by zacdilone

    You can stop feeling guilty.

  • April 20, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Why is Tori on Galactica?

    by vadakinX

    Can someone explain to me why she is living on a military vessel? Shouldn't she be staying on Colonial One with Roslyn or at the very least on another civilian ship? <p> Also, are the Cult of Baltar part of galactica's crew or just more civilians? heck, I'm surprised that Adama hasn't kicked Baltar off the ship yet...though I suppose it could be a case of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer. <p> It just seems strange to me to have civilians living on Galactica, especially Tori.

  • April 20, 2008, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Another Convenient Plot Device: No Security Cameras

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Is Galactica really too old to have simple security cameras everywhere? Just think how many episode plots THAT would've blown (including the last one).

  • April 20, 2008, 2:06 a.m. CST

    2, 6, 8...

    by bswise

    OK, NoHubris, that makes sense that they'd still be on Caprica, but they would become the hunted there, too, wouldn't they? But, yeah, the Cylon Civil War might last awhile. It seems that the natural progression is for the Cylons that "believe" to join the humans. Lots of wildcards, with the Boomer/Athena dichotomy, the Caprica-6/Baltar schizofest, hybrid babies, The FF, etc.... Great stuff, this show.

  • April 20, 2008, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Whatever happened to Boxey?

    by IAmMovieMaster

    Kid has been MIA since the early part of season 1.

  • April 20, 2008, 4:56 a.m. CST

    holy fuck

    by Fineus Fog

    thats some brutal, cold blooded shit!! What I wanna know is: was Adma comforting Galen or is he questioning him?

  • April 20, 2008, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Baltar's cock is the final model

    by kuryakin

    I mean think about it - everyone he lays the pipe on seems to flip out. Starbuck was always unstable but really went off the rails after a roll in the hay with the Doc. Number Six was a driven Cylon (even killed a baby in the mini-series, sorry about that Freefinger) before flipping out and going all evangelical & crazy. Five was the same, in fact now I think about it she was suspicious of Six and her relationship with Baltar and humans in general. Well, one happy threeway later and she's getting boxed for her own unacceptable mania - and now Tori has turned into a killer, as well as going from being kind of mousey to acting all foxy and whatnot. That guy's spunk must have some crazy-inducing properties. <p> Baltar's ability to get pussy everywhere he goes always reminds me that scene in Austin Powers where the fembots are like "You cannot resist us " and the Austin says "I think it's you who can't resist me" and starts dancing for them

  • April 20, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    hey ...

    by Freefinger

    I didn't say Oprah would solve the world issues idiots, I said shows need to talk about this shit, not being able to solve anything... <P>Viewing habits, not that much latetly, nothing great on tv so... <P>I guess some of you didn't actually get what I was saying, like the idiot that said "no kids die in real life..." The WAY they did it, was bullshit. That's all. As far as offending Mr. Nice Gaius, well that ain't so hard to do, he offends himself everytime he looks into a mirror.<P>The a show presents stuff is crucial, this time around they messed it up now that's all.

  • April 20, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Ressurection Distances..

    by Lemming

    You know it isn't unreasonable to assume they can just 'piggy back' across Ressurection ships to download wherever they are needed/wanted. It's not unreasonable to assume Boomer was bounced across a few nodes to Caprica deliberately by the other models for her 'awakening'.

  • April 20, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Fineus Fog, neither..

    by Lemming

    He was telling him his wife has just commited suicide.

  • April 20, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Oh and everyone stop calling it an 'airlock'!

    by Lemming

    It was a launch tube damnnit >_<

  • April 20, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    There was an airlock on the Jupiter Two

    by Kentucky Colonel

    And I would have used it on John Robinson. Honestly, that man had a serious, splinter-ridden 2x4 up his ass. And that wife of his? What a wet blanket! <p> Lost in Space: The Next Generation...The Robot hooks up with his robo-lover C3PO, Will gets it on with both his sisters and Dr. Smith makes bitchy comments about it all. Don pilots the ship in an alcoholic fog. <p> Where the hell did that come from?

  • April 20, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Easy there killer. Your post offends because of its overwraught self-righteousness. I understand the issue that you're trying to bring up but it's so far out of left field that it's ridiculous. (For example, what is this "Hollywood code of conduct" your refering to? Is there some agreed upon set of parameters that everyone adheres to whenever showing a possible mother-baby suicide? When did BSG become a PSA?)

  • April 20, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Thanks, buddy. Interesting thoughts on Anders and the Four. So far, their behavior has been very interesting...especially when they are just trying to do their normal day-to-day jobs.<P>Regarding the 2s, 6s, & 8s, I'm also of the belief that they have not been completely wiped out. Like Cavil said, there are millions of each model. All we saw was a sneak attack on one fleet of those particular models (the ones who started the ruckus). So, I guess we'll have to wait and see just how far this civil war-type action has been waged.

  • April 20, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Cylon == Minbari ? :-)

    by ulcer

    wasn't there a major story line in Babylon 5 where the Minbari were at war with the humans, and stopped when they discovered that Minbari souls were resurrecting in humans?

  • April 20, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    no security cameras, and why is tory on galactica

    by ulcer

    there are no security camera on a millatary vessel. There is no reason to, it's not a shopping mall.<br><br> I believe the reason why Tory is spending so much time on Galactica is because the president is there. Now, why is the president spending so much time there is probably for her medical treatement.

  • April 20, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST


    by Nabster

    your post also offends because it doesn't appear to make sense.

  • April 20, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Callie Blooper

    by zachattack

    I played the end of the airlock scene in slow-mo If you watch carefully the blood jumps to the other side of her mouth

  • April 20, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Callie Blooper

    by zachattack

    This happens about a second before she shoots out

  • April 20, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Freefinger = ridiculous

    by Hairy Nutsack

    What Freefinger refers to by Hollywood's Code of Conduct is a self imposed censorship that Hollywood used to adhere to. This was back in the days before we had the MPAA and the word "damn" was an outrageous thing for Rhett Butler to say on screen. In other words, back when our parents were kids and social and sexual repression were the standard.<p> This leads me to the suspicion that Freefinger is a 65 year old virgin priest who thinks Ozzie & Harriet is the pinnacle of television entertainment.<p> I wonder how Freefinger made it this far into the show? I mean they showed a cute little girl holding her doll get vaporized in the mini-series, that was how many years ago now?

  • April 20, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    I noticed that too

    by Gozu

    I mean, with the number of assassination attempts, coups, IEDs, Cylon sleeper agents, Baltar, and other assorted lunatics aboard Galactica, a few security cameras might not be a bad idea.

  • April 20, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    And don't forget, Hairy Nutsack

    by justgetreal

    The VERY FIRST EPISODE of the miniseries had a 6 model breaking a baby's neck. Not just putting it in danger, but actually killing it. Why would someone with such high (and outdated) standards even continue to watch? You would have to realize that with time, the writers would go forward and push the envelope even more, not get softer. There's always the need to escalate the drama, otherwise, the viewers would bore immediately. That's the way these things work. Some people should stick to Dawson's Creek and 7th Heaven.

  • April 20, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    "They Won't Harm Their Own"

    by chromedome

    Last week, when the Hybrid said that repeatedly, I assumed it was a dualistic thing: The Raiders Won't Harm the Four, and the Four Won't Harm Humans.<p>Man, was I ever wrong.<p> Oh, HEY NoHubris, MNG, and Wnanahara7!

  • April 20, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Just finished re-watching S3

    by chromedome

    wife catching up ....<p>Lots of good reasons to watch it again knowing what we know now.<p>The Temple of Jupiter was especially interesting: the way Tyrol was drawn to find it, the way he felt and acted while inside.<p>They also made a big point (multiple times) that the Five Serve The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken.<p>So, the Fifth MAY (or may not) be the most significant of the Five, but there is One even more significant--presumably the One True God.<p>I also am more convinced than ever that the NotLeoben ("never said I was") was either Angel of God, or perhaps even God. I think the InHead Six and InHead Baltar are also Angels of God.<p>The moment Kara's mother died, NotLeoben said to Kara: Death can even be beautiful. You are Free, now. And Kara, upon hearing that she was Free, smiled beautifully and said "You are not Leoben" He smiled back, "I never said I was..."<p>Damn this show could well be the best written thing ever.

  • April 20, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Freefinger, re: Hatch

    by oisin5199

    First of all, anyone who misspells Cylon so badly doesn't deserve to post here. Secondly, seeing children in danger disturbs the fuck out of me, but sometimes that's makes for pretty good drama. I assume you didn't see Rescue Me last season when Tommy was about to drop his son in the bay and they kept us in suspense about whether he actually did it for a whole episode (he didn't, but damn!) This is a dark show, always has been. If you recall the miniseries, the first ever 'episode', had 6 snapping a baby's neck while in the stroller and in front of the mother. You didn't see it, but you heard it, and it was incredibly fucking disturbing, especially since she thought she was doing the baby a favor, saving it from the coming nuclear holocaust. So to suddenly say the show's gone too far is either total bullshit or you haven't actually been paying attention. <p> I met Richard Hatch too, and he was very nice and gracious, but of course he's passionate about the show, because it's the only way BSG could be carried on. His 'sequel' series that he had proposed and showed the trailer for at this con was absolute shit. So he's just being realistic. He knows his stuff would never see the light of day, so he wants to hitch a ride with the people who know what they're doing. Of course, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and I'm glad he's a part of things. It just shows that with the right material, he can actually act. And Zarek is a great character.

  • April 20, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST


    by oisin5199

    just saw you beat me to the punch with the miniseries mention. So, I second it.

  • April 20, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    About Richard Hatch.

    by mrfan

    Count me in as also loving Tom Zarek.

  • April 20, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Hatch's Zarek...

    by chromedome

    ...what could have been a lame-ass piece of stunt-casting turned out to be an inspired choice, instead.<p>This is, in no way whatsoever, an endorsement of any further stunt casting risks: I am lookin at YOU, Dirklon Facelon. Just don't do it. Please.<p>Please.

  • April 20, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    whoa there

    by GiLL

    so we're no longer socially repressed? real life isn't like tv. everyone in real life dresses, talks, and acts almost exactly the same. in my age group at least (20s).

  • April 20, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST


    by GiLL

    come to think of it, i think people break down into fewer 'types' than there are cylon models.

  • April 20, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Security cameras...

    by I Hope You Die

    Presumably Galactica doesn't have security cameras because they're blacklisted technology. Pegasus had security cameras; Kendra Shaw used one in Razor to out Pegasus-Six. So the lack of security cameras on Galactica must be deliberate.

  • April 20, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Gushlon--the Fifth of the Five?

    by chromedome

    Hey, W7!<p>Yes, since they have clearly established that "something has changed" and Cylons can get medieval on each other now, I am looking forward to a brutal payback on Tori.

  • April 20, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Won't harm their own?

    by I Hope You Die

    Wouldn't it be a great scene if the Chief tried to beat the crap out of Tory and she eye flashed him and he stopped? Also, at some point I'm expecting Tory to red-spine somebody. Also also, now that the Chief's a Cylon and Cally's dead and Boomer has reaffirmed her awful taste in men, perhaps there's a Chief/Boomer reunion in the future?

  • April 20, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    w7: lemme know if you figure it out

    by chromedome

    I hate the random password--would love to be able to change it

  • April 20, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    I Hope You Die: YES!!

    by chromedome

    and how cool would it be if they had a Red Iris Duel? Okay, that would be silly, but your point, unlike the one I just made, is very interesting: could conflict amongst the Four be the way we learn who has the "control" or rank. Will the Fifth "red-eye" them? And, could they Red-Eye the skin jobs?<p>So far, the Anders Red-Eye did not seem to a deliberate decision on his part, and he seems to not even know exactly what or why things happened with the Raiders.

  • April 20, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    S/He Who Controls the Red-Eye, Controls All

    by chromedome

  • April 20, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST


    by dr.ivo

    From the spoilers posted at Patriot Resources it seems that the Cylon Civil War will continue for the rest of this season, so whoever got wacked-with-a-bush by the Cavils, it wasn't ALL Even Number Cylons.

  • April 20, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Security Cameras

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    No need for security cameras on a military ship that has had a plethora of espionage and terrorist acts (and apparently has more than its share of secret compartments perfect for private conversations and bloody acts of violence)? Come on.<BR><BR>Don't get me wrong: I love BSG more than any show on the air. But the BSG writers sometimes do make convenient and lazy shortcuts that defy logic and common sense.

  • April 20, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Chromie, Wnanahara7 and I Hope You Die

    by NoHubris

    We could find out who has the highest rank in the Final Five by a "command by red-eye" contest. One would give a Red-Eye flash (good phrase, Hope You Die) command to either a final five counterpart, a Raider or a Centurion, then another would override it by giving a contrary or different command via Red-Eye flash. This would go back and forth for awhile, especially if something major was at stake - like Tory's next victim.<p>Wouldn't that be a Red-Eye popping good time?! ;^)

  • April 20, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    The way it REALLY ends...

    by MurderMostFowl

    They land on earth and find it is an urban dystopia. The Watchtower 4 run off and hide after an incident that exposes them. Lee is charged with hunting them down. He manages to shoot Tory in the back as she runs though a store, falling through the glass. He exposes Saul through a moral dilemma, and as he is hunting Anders he is surprising saved by him from falling off a rooftop-- muttering something about C-beams. ( cue dove ). Lee returns to his quarters and is reunited with Starbuck. As he goes into the doorway he finds a curiosity -- a little origami unicorn, just like his father used to make. Then Lee flashes back to something his Adama said to him earlier when he sent Starbuck off on her mission to find Earth. "It's a shame she won't live, but then again who does?" RUSH to the Viper bay. FIN.

  • April 20, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    As long as it ends without...

    by chromedome

    ...tachyon beams solving all problems, or anonymous red-shirts dying all over the place!

  • April 20, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    My bad. No need to apologize. I guess it was a poor attempt at using humor to expand on I Hope You Die's post.<p>By Red-eye flash command I was referring to a Final Five member flashing a eye (just like red-eyed Raiders) to give instruction to another Cylon. Here's one last try at what I was trying to communicate:<p>One of the final five - Anders, for example - gives a Cylon red-eye flash command to a raider and the raider obeys. If Tigh has a higher rank than Anders amongst the Final Five, he would give a Cylon red-eye flash command to a raider causing the raider to disobey Anders.<p>If that's still confusing, I take the blame. I might be on brain freeze since I just watched John Adams too.

  • April 20, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    meant to say "...flashing an eye..."

    by NoHubris

  • April 20, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Screw the Cylon civil war...I wanna see Cally cry!

    by BurnHollywood

    Thank God the producers understand what we viewers really want to see: not some boring nonsense involving Cylon Basestars blowing the shit out of each other at close range...WE WANT MORE DOMESTIC SQUABBLES AND TALKING! Keep up the good work.

  • April 20, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    What if (Cally comes back)

    by GregoryHarbin

    Wouldn't it be great if all the Final Five start getting Angels, like Baltar and Six have in Head Six and Head Baltar?<p> We know Ellen's coming back. Will she be Head Ellen, an Angel sent to Saul?<p> How about Head Cally for Tyrol?<p> Head Baltar for Tory?<p> Head Starbuck for Anders?<p> Sure it'd be effing confusing, but awesome, nonetheless.

  • April 21, 2008, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Le Vicious

    by flickchick85

    Fair enough (on the Six's naivety). I think we just have different levels for our suspension of disbelief. Good point about Cally's pill-popping coming out of nowhere, but again, my suspension of disbelief is so high that I can buy that it's been going on for a while, since the cast is too expansive to show what everyone's doing in every episode. I'm ok with the fact that they didn't show it to us until it was important to the plot (even though I know they didn't COME UP WITH IT 'till it was important to the plot). The fact that we've barely seen Cally for a while makes it ok to me when they do this. If we saw her last episode seeming perfectly content and collected, THEN I'd have a problem with it. And while were on Cally, I really hope she's not the final cylon, simply because I'm happy to be rid of her (mainly the actress). She was definitely one of the weakest links on the show to me.

  • April 21, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST

    a post waaaay above this

    by saddael

    som eone had one of those 'everyones' a cylon theory right near the top, citing that no test could be devised which could tell them apart from humans. i thought gaius devised just such a test? in the first series? but pooed his pants from telling boomer?

  • April 21, 2008, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Artie Lange is back on Howard...I told you it was a bit!

    by Kentucky Colonel

    No matter how much they deny it I will not be shaken in my conviction that the whole "Artie goes Berzerk" episode was a sham. The lame assed excuses offered up this morning were, well, lame assed. <p> I have a prediction for the Thanksgiving break: <p> Artie shoots Howard twice in the chest (ala Boomer & Adama). Cut to the Replay show and on Monday December 1st everybody is back on the air, Howard claiming he was only grazed and that Artie was just "in a bad place". <p> Negro, please! <p> PS- I'd love to see In-Head-Callie, too!

  • April 21, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    chromedome & W7

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Regarding your passwords, do you guys still have the original email that was sent when you created your account? If so, double-check to see if there are any instructions about how to personalize your password. The other option would be to hit the "Sign In" link at the top of the home page and click on the "Request New Password" link. Barring direct contact with the Mods, I don't think it should be too difficult. But then again, AICN's features are somewhat limited.

  • April 21, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yes, Baltar did develop a test (which used elements from one of Galactica's nukes) that was able to differentiate between Human and Cylon. And because Baltar is an opportunist, he did not tell Sharon/Boomer the true results of her test.<P>Col. Tigh made a statement in the season opener which declared Baltar's test as "bunk" because it failed to identify Boomer. Now everyone in the chain of command thinks they are right back where they started = anyone can be a Cylon. We, the audience (and Baltar), know this is not the case.

  • April 21, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Resurrection Ships and Servers

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Here is the direct quote by Cavil that mentioned the "un-boxing" of D'Anna:<P>"The 3's core consciousness is being downloaded at our central resurrection hub. The nearest accessible server is a half dozen jumps from here."

  • April 21, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    MNG, gotham...

    by chromedome

    Yes, Baltar's test DID reveal Boomer as a Cylon--and he knew it, but kept it to himself, as you say. <p>It is interesting that the test it must not have worked on the Fundamentally Different Four, or he would have known who they were, rather than been so intent on seeking the Final Five (he would have only been interested in the Fifth). And InHead Baltar would not have needed to tell him that Tori was "special". Not sure that Tigh sees an Inhead Six --looked from the preview like he was talking to CapSix in the brig, and then saw Ellen morphing or some such. May be an InHead Ellen in the works, but that would not mean she is a Cylon. If the InHeads are angels, then they can probably be appearing in any form they wish. Or, maybe there is an "equivalent angel" for everyone, waiting on Earth.

  • April 21, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Orion Constellation

    by Spitwater

    Holodigm: Actually, astronomers say that at least in our local neighborhood, most of the constellations would look the same. For example, from Alpha Centauri, Orion would look exactly the same. One of the few changes in the night sky wound be that Cassiopeia wouldn't look like a "W" anymore, but a squiggly line because of the addition of one more star.... the Sun.

  • April 21, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by justgetreal

    This is the link that I got in the original e-mail to change the password:

  • April 21, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Ah, fuck

    by justgetreal

    That's my personal info that it links to. Guess I'm screwed unless one of the moderators deletes that pose.

  • April 21, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Oops, I meant post

    by justgetreal

  • April 21, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    think you are safe, Justgetreal

    by chromedome

    suspected it would not actually work without your password, so verified that... seems not to work for me (though maybe I would have to logout first to be sure)<p> Okay, tried that, too. still get the file not found error, so probably okay. getting the post deleted is probably still a good idea, though

  • April 21, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Mr Nice Gaius re: cylon test

    by Lemming

    It never actually worked though. He tested the whole fleet, which means if it worked he would know that Tigh, Tyrol etc are Cylons, yet he asked Six who the final five were and was worried he himself would be a Cylon. Baltar doesn't know any more than the rest of the fleet do.

  • April 21, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Interesting. You know, I'm trying to remember all the ins-and-outs of Baltar's test and I admit that I'm not sure of all details. (I may have to revisit the earlier seasons on DVD.)<P>But wasn't there a scene that discussed how long it would take Baltar to test the entire fleet? Wasn't it a ridiculous amount of time (i.e. years)? So, I'm not so sure that he got around to testing everyone.<P>And the test must have worked because it positively identified Boomer. (He just didn't tell her.) That's why I found Tigh's remark in the opener somewhat significant. Either Baltar never tested the Four or their physiology is such that the test was useless on them.

  • April 21, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    justgetreal & chromedome

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Have you guys tried the "Request New Password" link via the "Sign In" link up top?

  • April 21, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by Hairy Nutsack

    I'm growing more and more of the opinion that Chief is wrong and they weren't Cylons from the beginning.<p> More than just the Final Four were affected by the nebula. Cally said her sickness, whatever it was, started when they reached the nebula. That's a pretty significant clue I think, not sure what it means, but it's important.<p> I think the Finals downloaded into bodies of their choosing, rather than the bodies themselves always being Cylons. If we stick with the theory that the Colonials are descendants of the Cylons from 1000s of years ago, then maybe these particular 4 were the most genetically/mentally/whatever compatible with the Finals.

  • April 21, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Baltar's test DID work

    by flickchick85

    He never got around to testing the whole fleet because it would've taken almost his entire life to do, and clearly, he seems to have gotten distracted. But the test did work: It tested positive for Boomer. He just lied about it. He then decided to lie about them all and not bother properly testing anyone. I think his last proper test was Ellen Tigh, but he refused to give away her real results when In Head Six asked.

  • April 21, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    You know what would be truly, truly awesome?

    by I Hope You Die

    The Chief discovers Tory's role in Cally's death, goes after her, and Tory turns to Tigh, who happens to be standing nearby, red eye flashes him and he says "By your command!" and pops the Chief square the face. Then he's looks at his blooded fist and says, in disbelief, "Holyfraaak, I'm subordinate to a civilian?" And Tory gives him a "them's the breaks" shrug.

  • April 21, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Adama is the Final Cylon

    by Lashlarue

    The cool one. Not the whiny bitch one.

  • April 21, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I can't see Tyrol letting Cally's murder pass

    by CrichtonAstronut

    Even she was a threat to him, and even though Tory saved the baby. BTW how the hell's she gonna explain that. Cally commiting suicide was plausible, but Tory taking the baby puts her at scene, unless had gotten it back before Tyrol woke, which I think did not happen from what I rember of the show. Wonder why they never thought to retest the Cylon detector, knowing now that Baltar might have lied about that. It would definitely be frmer ground for a treason trial. Wow, that last scene with Cally, out in space, that was sad. Tory has become a very scary woman.

  • April 21, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Actually Crichton...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...that makes a whole helluva lot of sense. Maybe Tory just put the baby back in its crib while Chief was out cold.<p> The only other way I could see her covering this up is if she just set Nikki down in the hangar and left him there for someone else to find.<p> A possible, more chilling, alternative is that she took the baby to the Gaius cult and told him Nikki was a halfer, and then left Chief to think they both went out. Wouldn't that be something?<p> Guess we'll find out Friday at noon. Fucking wait is killing me.

  • April 21, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Oh I agree about the waiting part Hairy.

    by mrfan

    I think the worst waiting will be when the season is split in half for so long. That might push me over the edge.

  • April 21, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Season Split Protest

    by chromedome

    should we start a campaign to send half of something, horrifically split in two, to Bonnie Hammer/SciFi/NBC?<p>If we can find little plastic or rubber Brains, we could inundate her with Half-A-Brains (though she might actually find that a flattering compliment, about a factor of 10 more than she possesses).

  • April 21, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by Hairy Nutsack

    Actually, believe it or fucking not because I can't, Bonnie got a promotion and has moved up the corporate ladder. Some dude is in charge of SciFi now. Don't remember what his name is just now.<p> Fucking Bonnie Hammer, one of those lucky cunts that keeps managing to fail upwards.

  • April 21, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    too pricey (but you cut it in half--sort of a twofer)

    by chromedome<p>geez, hairy, she got promoted up!?!? Betcha she STILL made the split season decision afore she bailed, though...

  • April 21, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Cutting something in half?

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Why not get one of those little Galactica toys from Hasbro and cut it in half? You could do a whole promotion around it."<p> HALF A BATTLESTAR DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!

  • April 21, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Nearest accessible resurrection server

    by NoHubris

    Since the Centurions have their awareness and ability to reason once again, they now have the power to do something about the location of resurrection hubs and servers. With the Cavils using the resurrection technology as a weapon in the civil war, it makes perfect sense for the centurions and skinjobs to build new hubs and servers as a safety precaution.

  • April 21, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    Great idea, Chromie and Harry N.<p>Another option is half a photo (e.g. battlestar, Adama, etc).

  • April 22, 2008, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Security cameras

    by redshirt

    I'll buy that there are no cameras, OK. However, correct me if I'm wrong. She had to turn a key in the console to space callie, right? Surely there is some type of instrument log that shows the airlock (sorry - launch tube) was activated from INSIDE the observation deck, not from inside the tube. One other thing, during the council meeting, before Lee made an ass out of himself, did someone really yell something about a free trade agreement? WTF? Trade remains an issue when only 38,000 humans are alive? The political part of this show is so incredibly retarded. There is absolutely no reason the entire fleet shouldn't be under military rule.

  • April 22, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Wait... The season split is official???

    by J-Dizzle

    I thought it was just a tentative idea. You mean they're actually going through with it?

  • April 22, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST


    by Hairy Nutsack

    MotherFUCKing SciFi splits all of their shows up like this. Atlantis is on hiatus right now because of this same bullshit.<p> Not that I care about Atlantis, that show has been ass since day one.<p> But fuck you all who hate SG-1, that show was awesomely clever and funny...until Browder joined. Long live RDA!!

  • April 22, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Kara REALLY wanted to frak, she wanted to frak hard!!

    by Han Cholo

    That scene was unintentionally hilarious. I realize it was supposed to be a serious and sexually charged moment but I couldn't help laughing out loud at that. I wonder if Katee or the guy playing Anders was able to keep a straight face while filming that scene?

  • April 22, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    keep in mind

    by The Internet

    to the anti-cally folks:<br> i realize that many folks here simply hate the character and/or the actress, but keep these things in mind:<br> cally had the chance to kill tryol<br> she didn't<br> because she still loved him despite everything<br> she considered killing her child because she realizes it must be part cylon<br> the key line here is "he used me", implying that cally believes the chief used her to conceive this "abomination" - its no coincidence that tyrol is proposing having a second child with her the second before she finally snaps and pummels him w/ a wrench. <br> she believes she is a pawn in the greater cylon conspiracy - and she refuses to play along. <br> ultimately, of course, she can't do it, but if Adama's right, if the hybrid children are "good for (the cylons), then they can't be good for us" - cally was actually attempting something noble - horrifying, but noble - killing the child she obviously loved for the sake of the survival of her race.

  • April 22, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Cally was hot. Now she´s very cold

    by CuervoJones

    A pity.

  • April 22, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST

    The Internet RE: hybrid children

    by NoHubris

    I made a related post in the BSG thread in Zone which is this: Nicholas - Tyrol and Cally's son, is Greek (like other key BSG names) and it means "Victory for the people."<p>I don't know if that is an intentional foreshadow or not, but it is something to consider.

  • April 22, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST


    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Good observation. Even assuming Galactica couldn't be outfitted with security cameras everywhere (which I still think is farfetched), the fucking basic computer logs WOULD definitively indicate that the airlock was activated not from inside but from outside. Somehow I doubt that Cylon-Tory is some kind of programming whiz who would be able to fake the logs (and if she is, they better explain it in the next ep).<BR><BR>I actually loved the episode (as I have each and every episode so far this season), but there were some pretty huge credibility holes that I kind of doubt the writers will bother patching... I can suspend my disbelief only so far.

  • April 22, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Galactica intentionally shuns technology!

    by I Hope You Die

    No cameras, no computer logs, no networks! Remember: the computers they do use (FTL, etc) are carefully isolated. It makes sense that they use a minimum of technology elsewhere (this was explained in the Pilot; hence the old-style phones). They don't even have automatic doors like Pegasus! They've been consistent about this: Galactica uses a minimum of technology because it was designed for use in the first Cylon war and the Cylons can easily exploit computers and technology.

  • April 22, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Unintentionally Hilarious.

    by fiester

    I love me some BSG but that scene last week with Starbuck talking like a Smurf of a Snork or something: "Oh frak me! Frak me silly! Frak me so hard!" had me rolling with laughter.

  • April 22, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by Le Vicious Fishus

    You got me there. I didn't realize though that the technology was limited to that extent (thought it was just network-related as in no wi fi). Makes sense though. Still should have closed-circuit cameras, though.

  • April 22, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    "no computer logs"

    by J-Dizzle

    So what was the point in them looking at the computer logs on Starbuck's reincarnated Viper?

  • April 22, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    No big deal

    by secretcylon

    I posted some stuff way back here a couple of days ago. Someone asked me if I knew anything that was coming up this season. Didn't want to be overtly spoilerish but I did mention a couple of fun things. Could've dropped some bigger bombs but I hate when people do that. Fun to watch people speculate and be totally off (at least as far as I've seen). My post is the one recalling a DS9 episode. But one thing that I can say for sure is that the first 10 eps of season 4 seem to mainly exist as prologue for the final 10. They're basically getting all the chess pieces where they want them so the real craziness can finally ensue.

  • April 22, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST

    shunning technology

    by redshirt

    Yes I get that Galactica is older and not as hi tech, but come on, its tech level should be higher that what a typical navy vessel of today has. It is a space ship that can travel faster than light, yet it has the feel of a world war 2 aircraft carrier. Just once I want a glimpse of the FTL drive and some some technobabble to explain how it works!

  • April 23, 2008, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Old tech....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    redshirt - that's the whole point. The Galactica is a completely old and outdated relic from the first Cylon war. It's over forty years old. It is the equivalent of a Vietnam era aircraft carrier for us, no CCTV on those things.<p> J-Dizzle - the individual computer logs on a Viper are not attached to a network of any kind, unless you want to count connecting a Viper to a portable computer and D/L its logs as a network. This is completely consistent with what we know about the Galactica. What they are not doing is D/L the logs of every Viper through some sort of Bluetooth connection, which would definitely be a wireless network the Cylons could exploit.

  • April 23, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    hairy nutsack

    by redshirt

    No, that's not the point, even an ancient spaceship should far exceed the technology of current naval ships. I just don't buy it.

  • April 23, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    But they don't...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...exceed us by much at all.<p> There are basically only three things they have that we don't, and it's these things that make space travel difficult for us and easy for them.<p> 1. FTL<p> 2. Artificial Gravity<p> 3. Sentient Machines<p> 3A. Sentient Computers?<p> Everything else in their universe is identical to ours. They've made a few more discoveries than us sure, but we're honestly not that far behind them. If things like bio-microprocessors and the SCARY shit they're doing at Sandia Labs takes off then we could be where they're at within the next 50 years or so.<p> So if some of these discoveries had been made in the 60s instead of now, we would be the Colonials.

  • April 23, 2008, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Sandia Labs

    by secretcylon

    Just checked out their website. "We here at Sandia Labs are excited about manipulating matter at the atomic level" or something like that. "With nano-technology you are only limited by your imagination." Scary stuff indeed. I think it said something about new and exciting uses for Tilium as well.

  • April 23, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    your joking, right Hairy?

    by redshirt

    FTL and artificial gravity are so far beyond our grasp as to make them impossible. If they can manipulate gravity and travel faster than light, I don't believe they need phone cords and haven't learned how to secure networks. Hell, we aren't even near sentient machines.

  • April 23, 2008, 6:10 a.m. CST

    hairy you've misunderstood it entirely..

    by Lemming

    The new networking etc in the newer Battlestars aren't anything to do with technological advancement. It's because networkless systems were no longer REQUIRED because the Cylon War was over and they'd be gone for 40 years. The Galactica was kept to an old Cylon War standard for historical reasons. Remember it's hangar bay was a museum for fuck's sake. It was being decommissioned, but it wouldn't have seen serious active duty in quite some time.

  • April 23, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    No networks used on Galactica

    by justgetreal

    Because Adama wouldn't allow it. If you go back and watch the original miniseries, you'll see that Adama and Roslin even had an argument about it. She was pissed because teachers wouldn't be able to teach without networked computers. The technology was there. Remember, there was one episode (while Adama was recovering from the gunshot wound) where Gaeta hooked up the network briefly to escape the cylons, and the cylons broke through the firewalls very quickly.

  • April 23, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST


    by justgetreal

    It was explained in the first 15 minutes of the original episode (by Doral, the incognito cylon) that human technology was forced to go backwards to escape cylon sabotage and espionage. I would assume that meant that the cylons were also able to monitor wireless communications. Thus the corded phones.

  • April 23, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Computer logs on the Viper...

    by I Hope You Die

    Presumably they need computers anyway (for navigation, aiming, etc). Whereas opening the launch tube probably doesn't require one and technology is kept to a minimum. I think it still makes sense. Presumably they not only avoid computers but they avoid relying on any kind of complex technology in case of EMP attacks and such. The Cylons are supposed to be really, really good at this stuff. It's possible to get a signal from a closed-circuit camera system because the wires give of electromagnetic radiation (as does anything electronic) so maybe the Cylons could do something like that from a distance.

  • April 23, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST


    by redshirt

    bite me!