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A New KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL Image!! + More INDY Films??
Merrick here...
USA Today features a new interview with Harrison Ford discussing many things.
Notably: he doesn't rule out a fifth INDIANA JONES film, which should effectively dispel recently advanced rumors that Indy dies in KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL (although conspiracy theorists would say this is merely an elaborate ruse to distract fans away from the fact that he does die in the movie).
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The only way to make Last Crusade's ending work is if it's the end of one trilogy, while Crystal Skull is the first in a new trilogy.
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That pic doesn't look new, I thought that one was already released?
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...then i hope it explores the 'theory' of aliens being responsible for the inception of judeo-christian religion during a long ago visit to our planet.Admit it, that would tie the four movies together pretty nicely.
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You know, it's okay to just let a series end.
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Both Lucas and Spielberg joked about putting Indy's death scene in the trailer. Jones is still alive folks.
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And drop him off in the future after some dude plays a keyboard on a large mountain.
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C'mon Lucas don't Star Wars Prequel me again. Now where's diggers for the usual accessories for the modern archeologist chat.
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Maybe Shia has to take the torch because Indy will be too busy sculpting scenery out of mashed potatoes.
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That better not happen. If Indiana Jones dies in Crystal Skull and they decide to progress the series with Shia LeBeouf in the leading role, I refuse to ever see another film in that chronology.
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Should have used CGI to make it. By the way Shia was really poofy hair doesn't he? Color me jealous.
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Passing the torch to Shia.
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They show him as an old man in a wheelchair during an episode of the Young Indy Chronicles. Then again that was ages ago that I recall seeing that, so I might be wrong.
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Mutt Williams: And the Franchise of Doom!
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That EW Q&A with Spielberg and Lucas is great. But, hey, what's really engaging these days is the buzz concerning the bad buzz. I mean ...let's talk about that.
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I thought it was Calista Fuckhard.
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He has a thing for forced, happy endings these days. He loves Indy way too much. No way he kills Indy.
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I would sue.
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I distinctly remember him (with an eyepatch even?) retelling at least one of his "Young Indiana Jones" tales in the TV show. So there would definately be a continuity fuck-up if he died. Unless that old man was just a dirty old man looking for children to sit on his lap and share his 'adventures' with him.
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If George Lucas decides to keep the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles' chronology then Indy definitely does not die. George Hall played the 90-something Indy in over 20 episodes.
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Funny bit from the EW article: ''I was not prepared for not being able to have a script during prep.'' When he finally got one to keep, every page had been bar-coded and watermarked to discourage easy duplication. He says he was also given a hotline number. If he needed to valet-park his car — and was even thinking of leaving the script in the backseat — all he had to do was dial the hotline and someone would come retrieve it.
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The notion is ludicrous.
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Six films would be cool.
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Indy in the photo: And this, Mutt, is my good friend Satipo. See? That's what happens when you're a jerk.
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Yep, in the The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles George Hall (aged 90 plus!) played the old Indy, he sometimes "introduced" the odd episode, like he was telling the story as a verbal tale. I think Harrison himself even did one? I also seem to remember that the old Indy wore an eye patch?! Maybe they will show how that happens in this film. However, one thing, I think the old Indy intros have been removed from George Lucas himself in the DVD releases of Young Indy. Someone please confirm if they knowm, and let's face it George has been known to fuck with his continunity before, so having the old Indy in the TV shows probably means shit to him and he could well kill him off, because Luca$ is just a fucker like that...
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Doesn't anyone remember the old intro's to the tv show? Indy finishes up an old guy in suburbia. If he dies the TV show isn't 'canon'.
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"read previous talkbacks" Doh.
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I really hope they won't do any more of these. Of course I know that this is merely an illusion. I wanted this film to happen because I foolishly wished to experience the making and release of an Indy flick. If this is turning out to be really really good they better leave it at that (yeah, one can dream). If it turns out to be a mediocre movie at best I hope they'll never return to this franchise again (yeah, one can dream). But isn't it the most likely thing anyway that we'll get a Mutt & Friends from Greaserland spin-off? Ugh, I really don't want to think about that stuff now. It's only about 33 more days. Time to think about where I'll sit in the theater.
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Really. He seems like a decent enough actor.It just seems to me that guys hate any young male actor. 10 years ago, everyone on this site hated DiCaprio and now people like him. 15 years ago men hated Brad Pitt and now (despite all the tabloid nonsense) everyone seems to enjoy his movies. So why do we pick on the young actors. I think he's alright. He doesn't make or break a film for me.
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I'm just worried Indy's going to be too much of an oaf in this one.
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I was thinking I imagined those intros to the TV show!
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Who thought that? Spielberg. Mr.Sentimental. Mr.Feelgood. Why would he kill Indy? Not only is that not news, its not even a rumour.
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Apr 17, 2008 9:27:37 AM CDT
I see that Day of the Dead ad showed up after all...
by banallfirstposters
Money talks and bullshit walks, Harry.
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I think he's pretty great, and pretty much perfect casting for this movie! For reals! I absolutely believe that that smarmy young-john-cusack-lookin' kid is Henry Jones' son... Who would people prefer, Zac Ephron?
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Apr 17, 2008 9:46:24 AM CDT
People dislike Shia because he's the hip flavor of the month...
by sapno_krei
Kinda like Richard Pryor being crammed into Superman III. Me, personally? I think he's a great actor, and I expect he'll fill the sidekick role in Indy IV well.
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death/false death-resurection, ala ET and Last Crusade......
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Um..
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Yeah, I don't get it, either. I tend to dig his performances, and he seems like a genuine enough dude. I think you're right: the hating comes from the same kind of insecure guys who hate ANY young, male actor.
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for all the people who hadn't heard those rumors.
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the existing ones...well they kinda suck.
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You mean like Hollywood re-treads of much-loved film classics of yesterday? Even if you're right, sapno_krei, it still doesn't change the fact that the kid can actually act, as opposed to a large number of young Hollywood stars.
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'Him' being Shia LaBeef-curtains. 1. Emile Hirsch 2. Ryan Gosling 3. Heath Ledger (RIP) 4. Lee Pace 5. Jake Gyllenhaal Despite being a few years older and/or deceased all of these actors are better than LeBeef. He was alright in Transformers, but something about that dude annoys me.
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Rumours that a character will die in an upcoming movie don't need spoilers. Come on... If they had somehow revealed that Molaram would make an appearance, then ok, I'd be pissed. But it's an american blockbuster film in which the titular hero is way past his prime. They've introduced this son character. it never even crossed your mind that they might be killing him off?
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>>Are we going to see a real trailer or what???
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No hes not in the Young Indy Chronicles dvd's. Ive never been so pissed at a box set before I got that one. Those old , Indy bookends are cut. Which is a shame. I really thought that those added to the story. Why couldnt Lucas leave them alone?
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your list is right on, no doubt. But yeah, they are a bit older than he. For a dude in his early 20's, I think he does remarkably well. But if he bugs ya, he bugs ya. Can't really argue personal taste. It's just surprising to me that he bugs so many...
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errr...I wanted to second that. But those words obviously didn't make it. I guess that the casting of Shia isn't the problem. If there's a problem it concerns the role as written and approved by ...Nathanson? Koepp? and the rest...
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1. Michael Pitt 2. Chris Evans I agree with you God's Brother, as much as I hate to admit it; there are few in their early 20's that are notable. Maybe Dr. Jones and the Quest for the Crystal Walker will turn me around young Mr. Beef.
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INDY MOTHERFUCKER!
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He wants his hair back.
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Those old Indy bookends were the best thing about the Young Indy TV show...to be honest it never really worked for me, although it has been a long time since I have seen them. Sean Patrick Flathery (spc?) never really seemed like Indy the way River did and they were a bit dull. Why did Luca$ cut the old Indy bookends, because he has this irritating habit of not being able to leave his creations alone, fucking drives me mad!
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Way to go, uss cygnus! Keep the laughs coming!
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Ya know I was very skeptical of the casting of LeBeouf because of his past appearances in Constantine and I Robot (made no impression on me at ALL). And maybe I couldn't get his goofball Even Stevens character out of my head (I have a preteen daughter). But damn if he isn't growing into his adult looks, and the clips I've seen dont fill me with dread. So I'm willing to see.....
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Geeks know this. He tried to get Lucas to off Solo in the Empire Strikes Back. So why not Indy? Im sure hell live. But Harrison prefers his characters...dead. Was he smoking the weed on that hike? "Alright guys I gotta head out now. Good interview. Im going to head up to the top of the mountain and Chron Solo."
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Why does everything have to be a trilogy? Can't we just have an indefinite series of films? This whole star-wars model of Hollywood blockbuster storytelling doesn't work with every franchise (i.e. the matrix). I wouldn't call the original 3 Indy films a trilogy...
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Apr 17, 2008 10:22:59 AM CDT
That shit was funny until Cygnus did it.
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Fucker just kills everything he touches.
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Is that he's just another one of these safe, inoffensive, nondescript whitebread casting choices that regularly gets shit out from the Disney Channel kid-actor factory. He's perfectly competent for the roles he gets, but he has absolutely no edge. It's no wonder Spielberg likes the kid: he fits in perfectly with Spielberg's general tendency since the '80s to suburbanize American cinema and tame sources as distinctive and diverse as Kubrick and Philip K. Dick into 2 hour theme park rides. But hey, that's what the Indiana Jones flicks are all about, so the Beef's perfectly cast here.
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to see how far Shia could take his acting chops... maybe once his carreers underway he'll take a few "darker" roles to avoid being typecast, and he'll stink up the joint. Who knows? but yeah, you have to agree he was born to play Indy's son (whether or not Indy even needs a young hollywood-actor son is a different story, right? I guess if he had a "dad" in the last one, it stands to reason he should keep expanding his family onscreen)
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Fucker's TB cancer. He just posts the same unfunny shit over and over again, and just destroys any potentially interesting discussion.
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But I don't think this will happen cause at heart I'm a pessimist.
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I'm going to sum up every joke cygnus has in his locker for this TB: To start with put "Indiana Jones and". This lets everyone know your about to do a deeply hi-fucking-larious title spam. Even though the article isn't about the title, but you can't miss a chance to share your wit with the world. Secondly, scour your imagination for something suitably humerous. In the case of Cygnus this shouldn't take long. Right, now having plucked "Harrison ford is old" out of the ether think up some devastating like to old age that will fit onto your stem, such as "Casino Junket". Because that's what old people do. Add them together and voila- one slice of deep fried comedy dogshit: "Indiana Jones and the Casino Junket" Not at all funny/ clever, and the world will become a slightly smarter place when you stop doing it.
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I feel a torrent of cygnus-related shit coming our way...
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I'm sick to death of him and his title spamming-ilk. He's unlucky that he's the one I saw first and I'm also sick of his fucking stupid, snide "www.aint-it-liberal-propaganda.com" shite as well.
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Yeah, right. Get your head out of your ass. There's no way that happens. Spielberg couldn't even kill Tom Cruise's son (after he walked straight into a 50ft tall wall of fire) in War of the Worlds, you think he would kill one of America's icons. Sorry people, Indy Lives!!!
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I'll follow your instructions, Jarv...Indiana Jones and the Early Bird SpecialIt works!
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whoops"My bad".
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I want to know how he lost his eye.
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Even if clicking the link guaranteed a DVD of the film, delivered in person by Ford: I would still refuse.
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Exactly...The Indy series doesn't exactly call for Oscar calibur acting. If anyone can look convincing with their "mouth agape, sense of awe/wonder look", and can stand bright lighting, they should be a shoo-in.
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Apr 17, 2008 10:56:14 AM CDT
yea, he cant die because he was really old in the young indiana
by canvasseamonkey
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...fighting alongside George Lucas' second and third chins.
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they deleted/edited out all of the scenes of old Indy in the new DVD releases of the young indiana jones chronicles. I think that's what started the rumor that Indy will die in the KOTCS to begin with.
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Merrick, we have waited almost 20 years for this movie. When you put info on pics, we want pics, not possible spoilerage about the movie. I know pics can be considered spoilers, but there is a thing called spoler code. If Aint It Cool existed in 1980, would you have majorly spoiled Vader's revelation in Empire?
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They pulled a Shyamalan on y'all.
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Anybody actually entertaining the notion that Indy dies is officially retarded.
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I highly doubt you know any of the final details of the movie. Only a select few have seen the finished product. Have you?
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Apr 17, 2008 11:18:05 AM CDT
He will die, it's the only way to make this film interesting
by stamper
I mean Shia will take the whip and the hat, only it will not be Indy, but SHIA LEBAOUF IS WOUF WOUF THE DOG AND THE TEMPLE OF CANIGOU MEATBALLS.
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I think people are just jealous(sp). He was in Transformers, arguably the best film of last year, and now Indiana Jones, the soon to be best film of this year! (Aside from The Dark Knight.) He just happened to be in the right place at the right time when Spielberg noticed him. I think he'll be around for a long time. He'll be the new Kevin Bacon, or Edward Norton in the future.
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Fuck me. Do you really think that?
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At least one of the best. My favorite at least.
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at the Oscars. Tell me why that didn't get best everything it was nominated for?
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He is the pillar of American suburbia. He's also acts whiny little kid a lot of the time. Don't believe me? Check out some of his interviews or behind the scenes DVD extras on some of the movies he's done.
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yeah, Indy dies a few times in that one. My favourite of the three, by far!
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I am just saying..
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Admittedly last year was not great, but I'd put that in the bottom 10 of the year.
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What the hell? Did your mother let you pick out one movie to go to all year?
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Shia gets in his mid to late twenties. He'll do some kind of dark movie that'll get him some respect from the movie going audience. He'll be in a movie like Se7en, or Fight Club that'll become a cult favorite. Isn't that what all young stars end up doing to show they've grown up?
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Lost Jarv is kind of a tight ass. I've never seen someone take such an active part in letting somebody else know they didn't find a joke funny. you couldn't just scroll over the lame jokes and say your piece ass? I personally don't hate shia or anything, but we are talking about him following in the footsteps of Harrison Ford in one of the most iconic roles in cinematic history. I seriously doubt Indy will die (Sean Connery didn't and he was a shoe in for the old death scene), and I also doubt Lucas or Spielberg would continue the series. Then again, maybe I'm just being an optimist.
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and when I may have thought Transformers was best movie of 2007, too.
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I forsee similar careers in the future. Shia is not a bad actor. Hes quite good. And hes not the best looking either. He gets geeks wet dreams roles. So why hate? I can relate to him a little in some roles. I get him. Hes entertaining. I dont think anyone can beat Harrison. But I dont want to argue about someone taking over.
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IT IS SHIT. Shit don't get shit, fucker. Temple is still better than Last Crusade, which is a watered down attempt at making the franchise something other than b-movie throwbacks. I like Last Crusade, don't get me wrong, but it is the weakest of the 3.
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I'm utterly indifferent to him. I didn't like Transformers but I don't blame it's failings on him. I think he gets a lot of hatred for his sitcom crap that he started in, and maybe he'll find his Fight Club role. Good luck to him. And Kungfuhustler: go and fuck yourself. He's had that coming for ages.
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Transformers? Arguably? I think you will have a hard time finding others defending that argument. Kevin Bacon?!!? the guy who did that angry dance at the construction site and who starred in the bicycle movie AND invisible man? Just what the FUCK are you talking about dude? That was one of the weirdest posts I have ever seen. And while I agree Shia may prove to become a very talented and respected actor as he gets older, your taste in movies and actors (Kevin Bacon REALLY??) is kind of bullshit.
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how people compare Shia to Brad Pitt. Even referencing B.P. movies like Fight Club and Seven. But I can never remember Pitt acting as whiny as Shia does, even when he was a lot younger.
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needs a hug. Come here sugar. I like you dude, I just thought it was pretty weak of you to get mad at a guy for making a lame joke on a talkback. That's like getting angry at the special kid on the soccer team for catching the ball with his hands.
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It's just the first chance I've had to catch the unfunny bastard for all the "www.aint-it-liberal-propaganda" shite. And he's the least funny of the title spammers as he isn't bright enough to think along more than a single line. In this case "Indy=OLD=FUN-N-N-NY". If he stops doing it the word (well at least the TB) will be a better place.
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Only if your arguement is "Whats the better Summer 2007 release, Transformers or Bratz?" There, had to throw my hat in the ring.
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I pick my own movies, and I pick my own favorites. Last year:
Transformers
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
300
Aqua Teen Hunger Force
Grindhouse
Fantastic Four: Rise of The Silver Surfer: (Scratch your head on that one!)
AVP: Requium
I don't give a crap what people think about what I like, and don't like. I HATED No Country for Old Men. There. I said it. I don't usually go to the movies based on what the critics say. I did that once with No Country. Never again. Wasn't this an Indy talkback? Someone mentions they like Transformers and all hell seems to break loose! -
Apr 17, 2008 11:40:41 AM CDT
if you like your robots as abstract, whirling metal scraps
by bmacsmith
then transformers is for you! piss poor designs. i couldnt tell anyone apart. it was just random mechanical junk craching into each other. shit sandwich
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Of that list you have some of the worst films ever made. One of which is that fucking disgrace to celluloid AvP:R. I seem to be fighting a lot about that abortion recently.
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Yes. No Country for Old Men was way over rated. On the other hand, I think Before the Devil Knows You're Dead was under rated.
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I coose what I like. I don't let others choose. Again...About Indy...
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proof of old indy: just click and see the odd transformation of Indy Jones into a forgetful old codger with none of the mannerisms or style or continuity of the younger self: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP1XQK8cUrg
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Crusade was too corny and light. at least Temple was dark. yeah the girl was annoying, but it had Short Round! he was cool
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They may have removed him from the DVDs because the character's family dynamic changes. In the show, he was living in the 'burbs and his children were dull and unadventurous. If Mutt is Indy's son in this film, it wouldn't fit the portrayal of his descendents in the show.
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which leads to Transformers..its the natural progression here at AICN.
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After the near hysteria surrounding its launch I think it managed to surprise everyone and ticked a lot of boxes, roll on number 2.
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this movie. I think he's a martial art consultant now isn't he? Imagine him kicking ass in the Skull Temple now.
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I guess I am just in a cheerful mood and felt bad for the guy. It's okay though, I think you scared him and his horrible comedy away. Now to Tron and his shit taste in...well most things ever. It's not that you mentioned Transformers, buddy, just made a claim that it could be argued as the best film of the year. The movies you listed have mostly been universally panned by critics. Watch em, buy em, but if you don't have a tough hide then stay off crazy ass nerdy movie sites, because shitty taste like that will get you ranted at by every lonely nerd reading your amateur dribble. Frankly, I find you severely retarded for even posting. Brave, but severely retarded.
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Yeah. That's another reason to dislike him.
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Maybe a weird thing to notice, but something looked different with this pic. So used to him using torches for light in these dark places. No batteries in the 30's I guess.
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Indy dying may be a rumor but if it's true that's a pretty big fucking spoiler. Thanks for the warning assholes.
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But, C'MON, how often are "Summer Movies" good? Not very. Transformers did exactly what it was supposed to do: entertain people for 2 hours. Some liked it more than others. I thought it was so-so. But for a summer movie, it wasn't any better or worse than most of the rest of the movies in theaters.
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No one's faulting you for your choice in favorite movies (well, yes we are), as you say you choose what you like and don't follow critical trends. The question is: What persuades you to watch what you do..cuz it looks cooooooool..? Pretty colors do amuse.
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Wow. Harrison Ford with a flashlight and Shia LeBeouf with a pompadour...looking at a skeleton. This is some really cool spoilery news. I mean, damn. You guys just went and completely spoiled the movie for me. This definitely deserved it's own article. Golly.
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You can't talk about movies? Is this Instult-It-Cool news, or Aint It Cool News? I say Transformers is the best movie last year, and another poster is supposed to say, no Pirates was the best last year! Mabey I should stick to coming up with stupid titles to future Indy films, or yelling First! or something.
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There is an article attached. Ah, still. Too spoiler-y.
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Harrison Ford didn't even play old Indy in the YIJC. No wonder they cut out all the scenes. Who the hell wants to see George Hall as a crotchety old coot pretending to be Indy anyway?
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it's that it's an amazing adventure film. In Last Crusade the adventure played second fiddle to the Connery/Ford schtick.
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Is like dancing about architecture. Jesus, take that pointless argument and the unfunny Cygnus jokes out, and you've removed 90% of this talkback.
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Which would have taken place, continuity wise, a few years before this film. He looked like Neil Young.
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Did Ford do anything cool in this one episode?
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that Lucas didn't insist on CGing the flashlight and the beam.
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I know what you mean. The guy just opened himself up so easily, it was like a wounded gazelle on the plains. Back on topic!!! Has anyone seen a new trailer beside the 30 second tv spot?? 5 weeks to go.......
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The only trailer they've released for this movie makes it look loke crap. And that dissappoints me. This will be the first movie in years that both me AND my wife are looking forward to. We usually differ in taste, but agree on Indy. Now it looks to be pretty lame.
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IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE SPOILER SITE! You're in the TalkBack, no less, where anyone could just post the fucking script. Go to the Official Indy4 site if you want un-spoiler news about the film and stop being a whiney bitch.These movies are based on old serials. They don't kill the good guy in these movies. Use your fucking head. Not to mention the fact that Old Indy from the Young Indy Chronicles? Now I think was horrible. I hate to think of Indy becoming some dottering idiot. But even if they removed those scenes from the DVD, people who have seen the show will say WTF? So no, Indy's not going to die. And if they wanted to make more Indy movies they should have started in 1992.
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Damn you!
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is the new Indy trailer supposed to be due?
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And it felt good..
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I havent read ANYTHING story related to the new Indy, and there was NO SPOILER WARNING TAG ON THE FRONT PAGE!!!! I hadn't heard anything about Indy possibly dying, now if it happens it won't be a complete shock. Thanks.
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New pics from Indy 4: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2809392.html?menu=
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the "stupid summer popcorn movie" defense is getting old. Hollywood makes great big budget movies that also happen to be well made all the time.
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but you're right. that defense is no defense at all... just because something is mindless and is designed only to make money doesn't mean they can't do a good job.
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Apr 17, 2008 12:29:46 PM CDT
COME ON NOW! YOU REALLY THINK SPIELBERG GONNA KILL OFF INDY?
by bringingsexyback
Never gonna happen. And Lucas won't let it happen either. Indy is still family fare, and imagine parents introducing their kids to their own childhood hero, only to have him die? Nope, not gonna happen.
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I just think that it is picked on because it was successful. Also, in terms of shit, it was better looking shit than most summer movies.
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on-set spy video of Indy's funeral scene from the end of Indy 4!!! : http://youtube.com/watch?v=7_rBidCkJxo
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You need a real man in the title role, and Shia don't qiute qualify. Mayb Brad Pitt 10 years ago, but he's a little old now. Christian Bale would be my choice...I mean Harrison pulled off Indy AND Han Solo almost concurrently, plus some other icon thrown in for good measure, Bale could easily do Batman and Indy.
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He's pretty manly.
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Though I don't mind.
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..to mention Battlestar Galactica is the best show on TV! ha-ha, just joking, don't kill me. This new Indy film makes my sphincter pucker. I was talking with this hillbilly at work and mentioned the film and he asked: "Why would they make another Indiana Jones movie" to which I rubbed my finger's together to indicate cash-scratch and said: "Costs a lot of money for Harrison Ford to fly around in that chopper saving lives for real." That's all I can figure, Speilberg/Lucas sure ain't doing it to prove anything and I find it hard to believe at this point it's even fun at all for them to make yet-another movie, must be their little sandbox and they feel like playing. It kind of pains me to see it, Harrison could have pulled this off 10 years ago, now he just looks old, too old to punching and kicking and swinging from whips.
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in the episode of the young Indiana Jones Chronicles. http://tinyurl.com/5yltkk Apparently, this is the only episode that Ford ever appeared in. At least he got to whoop some ass at the end.
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what do you gain if it does?
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that it's probably one of the funniest things I've seen on YouTube in awhile.
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I'm sure there's a site for preteens like yourself to discuss the latest cool and rad movies like AVP and Transformers, and you guys can show off all your awesome action figures, and giggle at seeing a hot girl's butt on screen, and all the pretty colors and big go boom explosions will just fill your little heart with such joy. Go there. Every time you post I am just dumbfounded with your complete lack of intelligence and whiny childish pleas for SOMEBODY, ANYBODY to think that some summer movie is the best of any film to come out that year. The movies you like and have listed have awful scripts, stupid plots filled with plot holes and unexplained nonsense, terrible acting, characters which call for no sympathy from the audience at all, characters which are stereotypical and offensive, and generally movies which have forsaken the criteria of an intelligent thoughtful film in favor of big stunts and crowd pleasing stupidity. There are movies that can both entertain to an enormous degree and still contain some amount of depth. You listed none of those, and are a moron.
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As I recall it, Indy and his Native American sidekick are driving away from some baddies out in the Yukon or some such place. They elude the villains and take cover in a cabin where Indy finds an old saxophone. He then tells the sidekick about how he used to play sax in college, leading into the meat of the episode. At the end, the baddies bust into the cabin and Indy blows a note on the sax, causing a bunch of snow to fall on his pursuers, improbably knocking them unconscious.
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..little ointment, cleared it right up.
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30's to early 40's when he played Han Solo, then Indiana Jones. The studios would never introduce a "hero" character with the possibility of sequels at that age today. And no, James Bond doesn't count because he's an exsisting character.
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What do you mean by not really? That was just the ending.
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So I think I will. Later Indy haters.
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It was a joke, you dumb shit.
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Watching this clip was the first time I'd seen it since 199whatever when it first aired. But yeah, I see there is a little fight scene there. The snow thing is still ludicrous.
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Apr 17, 2008 1:18:10 PM CDT
Indy CAN'T DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by alucardvsdracula
But I'd wager he may lose an eye. Didn't the "old" Indy from the TV series have an eye patch?
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Does Indy meet the Smoking Man in his youth in this one...since we're going all alien with this one...maybe Shia isn't Indy's son - maybe he's the young Mulder...
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How do you guys not know that? I'm not saying it was done for one reason or another (Indy dies or his family dynamics changed, etc), but it WAS done. Here's one of the reviews confirming it: http://tinyurl.com/596ne7
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I liked the stories, but the Old Indy parts were about as cheesy as it gets.
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in the movie. I think he'll turn out to to be somebody else's kid, biologically. But perhaps Indy is like a "father figure" to him. Or, maybe I'm just still in denial.
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He has the single biggest "what the fuck?" moment of the series for me. Know that part when Indy comes back to being a good guy and starts kicking ass to save Willie? Then he sees Mola Ram, rushes over to him, then we cut to a wider shot and Mola Ram is suddenly laying on the ground (and appears to be a mannequin or something) while some random trap door thing opens and Mola Ram laughs maniacally as he slips away. I mean, what the fuck was that? Anyway, people don't like Shia because he always plays the pipsqueak sidekick. He isn't someone like Gosling or Levitt who can carry a film. More Indy? With Shia? I don't even think I'm going to see this one, so I definitely wouldn't see any of the other sessions of flogging this dead horse.
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Great. First Shia is cast, then Nicole Ritchie. Thanks alot, Spielberg and Lucas!
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brings back such fond memories of matte lines and mannequins falling into trap doors.
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Mola Ram is all falling down a gorge to a river full of crocs, but he hits the side of the cliff, skins his fucking head, then falls directly into the crocs, BUT NO, we then cut to a wider shot of crocs just ripping up black and red robes? I mean, what the fuck was that? As if it wasn't already insult enough to believe the physics at play woulda knocked a fuckin croc unconscious, we don't even get to see Mola Ram get eaten all Quint style?! Thanks alot, Spielberg, you pussy!
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"I have heard the stories..." etc. what an awesome movie. Snake Surprise! Classic...
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Too funny that he is in this movie... too funny.
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er. Indy, that is. That's if he dies, anyway... Go Project Genesis!
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with his wacky sidekick, John McCain... from the popular game, John McCain's Fireplace!
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Spoiler alert!
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Apr 17, 2008 1:55:37 PM CDT
TEMPLE MOMENT DU JOUR: FLAMING SKEWER IN THE CHEST!!!
by bringingsexyback
"Xin li bian yao la jing bao jin tian zhi Dao ... Anything goes!"
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Oh yeah, definitely. Even as a youngster watching that movie I thought "what the fuck? Why are these crocodiles just eating clothes?" As opposed to the part in Jaws when Quint becomes a hot lunch, during which I scared shitless.
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that people think Indy will die in KOTCS or is it just some fanboy rumor that has been beaten to death?
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"To what?" "The poison you just drank, Doctor Jones!" best line ever. That whole scene = best scene ever
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scared shitless. Sheesh. My typing ain't what it used to be.
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and don't forget the terrific story about how Harrison Ford went hiking.
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You're not the only one. I like Young Indy chronicles, but I hated Old Indy. I'm glad he's gone.
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I want it to be great but I have a unhealthy feeling it won't be.
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Nice try Lao Che
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"Skins his head..." damn funny, dude.
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Dang, I clicked on the link thinking I would see an image of the next Dark Crystal movie.
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WTF?
I usually come to this site, and hadnt read that rumour. I dont read EVERYTHING, since I dont want the movie spoiled, like probably just happened...VERY lame from you... -
is because he does the same fucking thing in everything he does. He's more one note than Will fucking Smith and that buddy is one fucking note. This irritating cunt is going to be stuttering and "wisecracking" his way through the entire affair. I dare say ANYONE could "act" the same way Shit boy does and with the same "competency".
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he's not really that good looking, he's pretty charismatic and a decent actor but he just seems like a douche bag, an uncool, annoying D-bag he's just not cool in any way, he lacks coolness -- thats it and maybe some people are jealous or getting tired of him because he is in a lot of high profile shit and is doing very well in hollywood but whenever I see him onscreen I cringe
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with Indy and Marion embracing for some lip action, ala Temple, and Mutt groaning, "C'mon guys, getta room!", while covering his eyes. BTW what ever happened to that next new directing talent who was greeted by Spielberg last year at the end of On The Lot?
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or taking your order?
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Are you just fishing for certain comments in talkback or what? Who cares at this point, wait until we've seen the movie before we assume there's any magic left to make another one. Everything I've read about this has left me with the impression that none of the big three involved were very happy while making most of the last three Indy films and they had to really reach a "now a or never" point to make another one. It's a gift that they choice now instead of never, but I think really talking about more movies at this early date is just being greedy. Also, Indy dying rumors are so played out. Guys, you don't kill the hero in his own series. It's pretty obvious that Shia's role is closer to Short Round than Indy 2.0. Even if he is the long lost son, I think he'll just be another supporting player of Indy's adventures just as his father was in the last one. ERB gave John Carter a son, but that did not mean the character was a replacement hero. People need to get over that kind of thinking whenever a son character is introduced. I don't think we've EVER seen them do that with the hero of an action series, and I doubt they're doing it now. The Shia hate knows no shame. Frankly, you people should be directing your vitriol on more worthy targets like the ever-hissable media whore Ashton Kutcher.
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...will find the DeLorean Doc left in the cave back in 1885.
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The 30 second TV spot starts with Shia stating "Professor, I think we've hit a dead end." Or some such statement. And the "I thought you were a teacher" in the original teaser. There is nothing but speculation that indicates Shia is Indy's son? I LIKE that they are keeping a lot under wraps, unlike Iron Man.
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You know, here's the main problem I have with doing any further Indy movies that would now center on and star Shia taking over center stage, and it's a pretty obvious reason. And no, it's not that I simply don't like the guy. To be honest, I basically find Shia "meh." Nothing horribly bad, but nothing astoundingly great either. So it's actually an even more simple reason than that...If THAT was Speilberg and Lucas' intention all along, namely to reinvent the franchise and relaunch it as yet another cash cow that they could tap into for the next decade or so, then why the fuck didn't you just RECAST Indy...ala Bond...and do a trilogy of all-new 1940's adventures that stayed true to the spirit of the "character" and to cliffhanger serials and fighting Nazis and finding ancient mystical relics and all that good stuff?Yes, yes -- I know. There are those that say ONLY Harrison Ford can play Indy...and I would agree that so far in the stills Ford has looked pretty good, so its good to see him back...but if he's going to be back, then KEEP HIM BACK. But don't freakin' kill him and turn things over to Shia and think you can get away with the utterly bullshit cliched idea "Oh, he's the son, so he can continue the tradition and moviegoers won't notice." Because here's a news flash to Speilberg and Lucas: WE'RE GOING TO FUCKING NOTICE AND NOT CARE.So seriously, if he plan all along was to do MORE movies but WITHOUT Ford in them, then they really should have just rebooted this thing...cast Hugh Jackman, Nathan Fillion, Josh Duhamel or insert your choice here...and been done with it. At least THAT would have been a bolder idea to try and bring the actual CHARACTER back.
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What the fuck dude? Poofy fucking hair? First the werewolf and now god damn indy's son? What's next? PERMS FOR MEN??? Yes please...nothing better than a god damn brillo pad on my head. Sign me up. Then shoot me point blank in the face with a rocket launcher. Thx!
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Wocky woad?! HAR HAR HAR!!! SLOTH LOVE CHUNK!!! SLOTH RAPE CHUNK!!! SQUEAL WIKE A PIGGY!!! SQWEAL WIKE A PIGGY!! OH NO!!! SLOTH THINK HIM KILL CHUNK WITH RETARDO DING DONG POWER! UH OH!!!
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1) Speed Racer 2) Iron Man 3) The Dark Knight 4) The Clone Wars are the movie I'm most excited about. I think Hulk is gonna blow, and Indy 4 will probably be pretty cool but ultimately pointless and whatevs.
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You need some serious training.
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"Somebody setting booty traps"
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How could you possibly remember the name Chester Copperpot? Did you just watch the Goonies or something?
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be kind to us poofy haired people, we aren't all bad...:)
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please try to make the movie memorable some other way george.
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Thats how I remember. Also, I loved The Goonies when I was a kid.
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Apr 17, 2008 4:32:46 PM CDT
How About Indy Kills Marion And Becomes An Evil Space Nazi
by laserpants
Yeah!
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"Kids must have cleaned him out, Ma."
"Sure. Right before they ate him." -
article about Indy 4 over at EW. Sorry, but it's a lot better than anything I've seen here today. http://tinyurl.com/5d6orl BTW, Ford says Indy definitely will not die. It was a a stupid rumor.
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In that pic it looks like Shia is the catcher and Indy is pitching. Such sweet man/boy love.
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It's unlikely that George Lucas would let Indy die in the fourth film, if for no other reason than the fact he includes a much older Indy as a sometime character/narrator in the Indiana Jones Chronicles. George probably won't fool around with his own history... unless it were to reshoot parts of Raiders of the Lost Ark so that the "Guy with the Whip Shot First".
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"The Guy with the Sword Shot First"...
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Classic.
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Mut is the new Meh.
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SpawnofAchilles - Perfectly put, you just nailed the EXACT reasons why I hate seeing Shia on-screen. I hated him in CONSTANTINE not because he was as far from the comics version of Chas as could be, but because he's got that constantly talking to himself, wisecracking-'cos-he-thinks-he's-cool-but-really-isn't shtick going on, and it bugs the fuck out of me. He's going to kill the Y: THE LAST MAN franchise now nefore it starts, and THAT will suck because Yorick Brown is a calmer version of Brody from MALLRATS with a dash more intelligence in the graphic novel, whereas Shia is a wiseass, desperate-to-be-loved ceaselessly yacking bag of wind that desperately needs to be kept from harming any further beloved movie properties. Geroge Lucas has, since about 1997, a proud history of being so fucking thickskinned that the entire planet can hate his sequels and he can literally shake all that hate off and ignore it - that's him, curse his gizzard neck. But not content with ramming STAR WARS up the arse with his hideous politcally correct revisionist film-making/neutering, he's doing it to INDIANA JONES too. These movies worked years ago because they were made by young guys, with fewer reservations, who weren't afraid of a little violence or casual cliched racist stereotyping or less-than-noble character traits in their heroes. But here they are, now, making sequels with no violence, perfectly PC views on other races etc, swapping walkie-talkies for guns and pretending there were no exploding heads in RAIDERS (name one cool gory scene in a newer Indy movie than that which stuck with you in the same way! Not that lame ending to CRUSADE, that's for sure) and swapping stormtroopers (who were people, and killing people is BAAAAAAAD) for battle droids (who are only machines, and killing machines is OKAAAAAAAY) in their quest to make once-great franchis4es into bitch-whipped, neutered, metrosexual 21st century piss-kicked-out-of-them pussy-whipped versions of the shadows of what they once were.
Big Dump Ape - You could not be more right, so to Spielberg and Lucas - WE WILL FUCKING NOTICE AND WE WILL NO LONGER CARE! The only recast that works for me is Nathan Fillion - for Indiana Jones or Han Solo, he's the only actor with anything close to the laconic charisma of Harrison Ford in these movies. Why the hell did so many of us love the character of Mal Reynolds so much in FIREFLY and SERENITY? Because he was doing EXACTLY what we'd hoped to see a young Solo (or equivalent roguish character) doing in the SW prequels. Fuck you Lucas, for doing that to us, and God bless you Whedon, for giving us damn close to the next best thing. Give Whedon the STAR WARS TV show, and maybe the franchise can yet be fucking saved. Spielberg - if you put the Indy future in Shia's hands, watch a good 98% of we core fans and film geeks walk the fuck away. I don't care how funny he is when he comes over for dinner, INDIAN JONES will finally go direct-to-DVD if this fuck becomes the central character. Don't do a George Lucas on this - listen to the fans. The future of Indy rests on this. -
Sure. Shia can wear some colored tights and Indy can sit around brooding. Sweeeeet. Shia can say "I thought you were a teacher" Then Indy can say "What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Archaeologist!"
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The skeleton is Shia's future IF this series continues. I really can't say I'm excited to see Indy back. Its been what, decades since Indy was on the big screen. I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope that its good but not much else.
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he must give great blowjobs
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Apr 17, 2008 6:03:37 PM CDT
I just can't wait to see Shia do his "nonononoNONONO" gimmick.
by mosquito march
Every single fucking movie he's in, something goes wrong, and he goes "no, no, nononono, NO, NO, NO!" Maybe that's the new equivalent of Ford's "Finger of Doom".
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how true
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Agreed, slone13. proper Goonies fans should know the name Chester Copperpot off the top of their head. I haven't watched the movie really recently, but I can still probably recite the lines almost as well as Raiders (almost). It's probably the movie I've seen 2nd most in my life (Raiders is 1st, Ghostbusters and Back To The Future are tied for 3rd).
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I could totally relate to their plight as the working class / borderline poor kids from the single parent home on the wrong side of the tracks. Thats why I loved it so much as a kid. Well, that, and the adventure, of course. And the retard. And the stupid fat kid. And the cute cheerleader. And the magic and fun of excitement with adventure and fun and yay.
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That pic looks crap. Shia hasn't shown me anything that actually interested or moved me in the slightest way other than that golf movie, and that was marginal. He looks goofy standing there next to Indy with a leather and pomp. Just not feelin' it yet.
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Jake Gyllenhalalalahaaalalala and Emile Hirsch are both pretentious douchebags.
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Except for me. I am FLAWLESS.
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...every scene of every film he is in outside of bond films. Seriously...he is soooo bad it amazes me he had the career. I am glad his swansong was that awful gentlemen film. A perfect capper to his career.
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HES JEEBUS NOW?!?!? WTF?!?!?!?!?! JUST LIKE ANAKIN SKYWALKER?!?!?! HOLY FUCKING WOW!!!!! JEEBUS!!!
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Gets more pussy all a' you knuckleheads. Or dick, whichever. But whatever he's into, if your into it too? He's getting more of it. Guarenteed. So hate away haterz! I don't hate the kid, I'm sorta ambivalent. But he was good in that thar Giant Truck Robot Shenanigans moobie that came out last year. What was that called again? ROBOT FRIENDS COMEDY ACTION ADVERTISMENT HOUR? Something like that. I actually liked the parts that weren't interminable. Quite a bit! Its all "robot pow!" Those parts were great. The rest... eh... oh wait, MEGAN FOX! YEeeaaah. I'd like to meet more than her eyes... meaning her tight hot pussy, me ramming it from behind, her screaming my pain in pleaseurepain, begging for more... OH YEAH!! THERE IT GOES!!! BOOYAAA!!! BADOIOIOIOING!!!
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more to the last crusade in pursuit of the holy grail than it does Indy's last adventure - so the first movies arent really a trilogy (i know there are three movies), but they are only linked through the main character and no master narrative
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true, Shia may get more pussy than any talkbacker here... but the matter at stake is: why does Shia/pussy seem so ambivalent in meaning. The kid (and I mean "kid" even though I got to be the same age, plus or minus a year or two) seems like an ineffective, reactive not assertive, somewhat whiny somewhat slow, actor. There are so, so many other young male actors who are so much better than LaBeef... that his existence appears to be proof positive that it's connections, not talent, that matters in Hollywood (hopefully, just by and large).
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by "connections" I mean the behind the scenes guys (agents, etc.) that manufacture "actors"
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Thanks for the kind words. Fucker.
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it's gotten to the point that they call it a trilogy anytime a movie series reaches 3 parts. if simply having 3 parts made something a trilogy, then we'd have a shitload of them. but the truth is trilogy is one story seperated into 3 parts, beginning, middle and end. and in that proper context, there arent that many. the only ones that come to mind quickly are Back to the Future, Godfather, Star Wars (when 3 is all there was) Scream and more recently we have LOTR, Matrix and the Pirate movies. granted those last two only spawed 2 extra parts due to the success of the first but its still a trilogy since they told an ongoing story that ended. well until they find an excuse to make more but til then. Indy isnt a trilogy at all, its just 3 seperate stories featuring the same character, they're sequels in the truest sense of the word. but as i said they call anything with 3 parts a trilogy these days so the word has sorta lost meaning. and then you have Alien, they went and created a word for 4 movies with Quadrilogy. but if you wanna be nitpicky, Friday the 13th beat them to the bunch since the first 4 movies are essently one long story. anyway i was bored so i wrote...hoora.
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come on leave all that to the kids....
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That's right, the prophecy was fulfilled and Orion killed Darkseid in Countdown.
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Sounds like the guy is enjoying life, good for him. Can't wait to see the film.
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..was excised from the canon because he mentioned having a daughter and he has one eye. I personally liked the Old Indy bits, and I kinda rather would have seen him have a kick ass daughter...but yeah in the show I think she was mentioned as being a dud.
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??????
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I tend to be one to think all that money hasn't so much made Lucas thick skinned as it has made him simply neglectful of what others wanted (namely us). Even were Indy 4 to tank, no message would be received at Skywalker Ranch. You and I are going to line up, same as we always do.
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I never thought I'd be more excited about a Robert Down Jr. movie over a new Indiana Jones flick, but here I am. As a child of the 80's, Indy fucking rules. I was really, really, REALLY looking forward to this until the first trailer. After the pause for 5 seconds to say something smart-ass, grin, then punch the bad guys... that's not Indy. Indy is watching some dude twirling blades like a buzzsaw about to let loose, then calmly pulling his revolver, shoting him once and walking off without a word. I hope I'm 100% totally wrong, that this is the greatest thing ever, but at this point I have 0 faith in it.
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In this month's Maxim, Harrison Ford said he would do another Indy film "in a New York minute..." which says fairly clearly that he's not dead at the end.
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Back to the Future and Pirates of the Caribbean were not written with trilogies in mind. They went back and attached stories once the films were successful. There are even fewer intended trilogies then. Lord of the Rings is one but even then Peter Jackson pitched it to New Line as two films so really it's hard to say that the only true trilogy is a three part story when it comes to Hollywood.
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See what I'm sayin?
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I didn't know Harrison might die! Thanks a fucking bunch you fucking assholes! I had no fucking idea - I'd never click ona SPOILER thread, so perhaps you could have included that! Now I'm going to spend the whole of this fucking film thinking of that!
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Apr 18, 2008 3:16:38 AM CDT
Come on! Lucas would never trust LeBoof to continue Indy's legac
by j-dizzle
Then again, I am drunk as I write this.
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Well it would explain why LeBeouf has been channeling the spirit of Opooma and Blinton all this time. LeBeouf and a Dem for 2K8!!!!! Yay Shia!
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here's a list of people far far far WORSE than Shia...
1. USS Cygnus
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Yawn.
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In the words of the great Mirajeff ... CHILLAX!!! Indy dies in the middle but is resurrected by Marion who uses some water from the Holy Grail that Indy kept in a hidden vial. So stop worrying!!! /ENDSPOILER
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As much as I enjoy watching the Young Indiana Jones DVDs, I do miss the old man bookends. But watching the first volume, it seems that they really just mashed two episodes together to make a feature length movie (this is especially noticeable in the first few "movies"). That way they have several feature length movies instead of a bunch of hour shows. Maybe that's how it was before and they showed them in parts (I don't remember), but if they did mash episodes together, then that would be a reason to cut the bookends. They also have the episodes in chronological order rather than the order they were shown. It's possible the bookends wouldn't make sense in chronological order. I don't now, but I wish they would, at least, put them in as extras, though.
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That's a shame. I've been wondering if this is the film where Indy loses his eye. Granted the eyepatch was the only cool thing about Old Indy.
The weird thing about Old Indy was that he would be doing normal shit an old man would do, like buying Depends at the grocery store, and then he'd start rambling on about one of his adventures. All of a sudden by the end of the episode a whole crowd was formed around him. I remember thinking at the time, "THAT's THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN!" If an old man starts telling me a story I run for the goddamn hills. -
Of course that's what Lucas says but my guess is back in the seventies when Star Wars was called "Star Wars" and not "Episode 4" my theory is that it was never meant to be a trilogy much less even have a sequel. 2 things specifically come to mind both pro and con...the sister kissing scene and Vader surviving the DS explosion. The kiss leads me to think that it was never meant to be a trilogy because to think that Lucas would have any character mistakenly fall for his own sister and then make out with her and then only later find out it's his sister and not bug out that he made out with her...I just don't buy it...Luke wasn't Leia's brother until Lucas painted himself in a corner with the line "No, there is another". Even in ESB they again kiss like lovers (or potential lovers anyway) and not siblings not once but twice and the last time right at the very end! Now the opposite argument could be made with Vader surviving in SW. No real mention of the Emperor other than in passing and the other main baddy, arguably more central to the antagonist plot, was Tarkin who of course was killed. Vader to me is like Riddick...Twohy, like Lucas, didn't realize how diverse a character he had created until the fans went nuts for them...which is why both of those characters were focused on greater in the sequels (Riddick originally dies in the Pitch Black SP until test screenings convinced Twohy not to kill him!). Vader surviving, on its own, to me does not mean a whole series of sequels/prequels were planned from day one. Or even that Lucas thought he could get a sequel greenlit prior to seeing the impact that SW was eventually to have. I think in those days, with so many studios turning Lucas down and all the chaos and limitations in the entire process of making the movie that Star Wars is a miracle of filmmaking...an almost pitch-perfect combination of chaotic elements coming together in a historical film. Lucas, a mediocre if not horrible director, somehow managing to direct competently...the actors most of which were complete unknowns (cept for Guinness who notoriously did not appreciate the role nor the fame garnered from it) turning in great/excellent to at least good/non-distracting performances. The music which is legendary. The scope and tone which are simply beautiful. But now there's this concept that the whole thing was planned from start to finish...that Lucas had the whole story in his head and was just waiting for the right circumstances to make his epic dream a reality. I don't buy it. Tho I can never prove it....to me, Lucas was flying by the seat of his pants and fly he did! I don't know why he pulled back a bit for Empire but it allowed one of the greatest sci-fi movies ever made to proceed...but by Jedi we've got Lucas in full-on "I'm a fucking genius!!!" mode, not listening to anybody...probably shadow directing half the movie...so you get ewoks (originally supposed to be Wookies) and god damn Chewbacca doing a fucking tarzan yodel. I think Vader surviving in SW wasn't even meant for future sequels...I think he did it in a "your imagination goes from here" style. Obviously, I could be wrong...but then explain how pc-obsessed Lucas, having planned this entire thing from the start, would actually have 2 of his main characters engaging in light incest without ever addressing the issue again. Not buyin' it! LoTR a trilogy? Of course...it was originally published as one book *then* separated into 3. SW originally a trilogy? Just like the Matrix...only a trilogy *after* the fact. Not buyin any of it!
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no apologies for not readin...my bad..ouch!
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How the fuck am I supposed to know who is serious and who isn't with all the cretins on this site? Anyway, it wasn't even specifically aimed at you. People legitimately bitch about spoilers all the time.
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Are you saying that at some point between Last Crusade and Crystal Skull, Indy goes back to find the grail and keeps it? Ah...I guess it was best that Junior didn't "let it go" after all, if it saves his ass. Do Marion and Indy make love in a shower of grailwater?
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and only Spielberg, Lucas or Ridley Scott can bring it back!
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those bits were excised from the DVD. Wait, perhaps you were being flatly sarcastic about Lucas not messing with "cannon". I mean, we all know what he did repeatedly with Star Wars...
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