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Michael Chabon's Unused Screenplay For SPIDER-MAN 2 Is Online!! For Now, At Least...
Merrick here...
I've always been intrigued by the alternate takes/near misses/"what ifs" accompanying huge film and TV projects...so this was of immediate interest to me. Thought I'd pass it along...
Michael Chabon's unused script for SPIDER-MAN 2 is online over at mcsweeneys.net. Their introduction reads thusly:
In honor of Maps and Legends, Michael Chabon's first book of nonfiction, which features a pretty amazing three-tiered die-cut jacket by Jordan Crane, and is available now, here—in honor of all that, we present the following Maps and Legends bonus material: Chabon's screenplay for Spider-Man 2. Chabon was the third of four screenwriters assigned to the project; he ultimately received shared "screen story" credit. As far as we know, this script hasn't been seen anywhere else, and it won't be seen here for long.
You can find Chabon's screenplay (in .pdf form)...
HERE!!!
Thanks to everyone who pointed us towards this.
In honor of Maps and Legends, Michael Chabon's first book of nonfiction, which features a pretty amazing three-tiered die-cut jacket by Jordan Crane, and is available now, here—in honor of all that, we present the following Maps and Legends bonus material: Chabon's screenplay for Spider-Man 2. Chabon was the third of four screenwriters assigned to the project; he ultimately received shared "screen story" credit. As far as we know, this script hasn't been seen anywhere else, and it won't be seen here for long.
HERE!!!
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i'll read it and get back to ya
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I love reading early, alternate drafts of flicks. I still miss Sam Hamm's horse chase sequence from Burton's first BATMAN flick.
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Better tell them...
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And Shane Salerno's godforsaken original Zodiac script, just for shits.
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If Burton had used his script for "Planet of the Apes" and just tweaked it lightly, the remake could have been a damn good film. The script's online, easy to find.
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certainly among the best of the best writers of the last decade....i am ecstatic this has been made available
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None of the Raimi films hold up. Or make any sense.
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"There is no spider-cave.""That sucks."they SO should've left that line in!
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I didn't think so either
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because the other books plummet to their deaths, humiliated by their own inadequacy.
I hear Chabon also pitched a Fantastic Four movie. It would have taken place in a retro-futuristic comic book New York. Sounds pretty cool. Better than what the suits came up with. -
. . . Peter's fight w/ the broom closet? What about his cake eating scene w/ the landlord's daughter? Just wondering, since they were both retarded and meaningless scenes.
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My God, this man can write!
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I read James Cameron's "scriptment" for Spider-Man today....Christ we were lucky that was never made, what a horrible convoluted mess that was, I think they made the right choice waitimg for Rami for Spidey 1 & 2. 3 did suck major balls though......Perhaps is we wait another couple of years and if Iron Man ang Hulk do well, we will get a full on reboot. God I hope so. Bring on the Vulture!!!
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What he was working up for Fantastic Four was great. It was quite a bit different than what comic book movies were doing, but ironically, its also almost exactly what The Incredibles ended up being (and his FF treatment was several years before the Incredibles). Too bad Fox didn't take a chance on doing something interesting with heart, and ended up giving us the bland forgetable FF that Marvel is probably now only to reboot.
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Didn't Tarantino call Hamm's original script for Batman the best script he's ever read? I remember reading that somewhere. Hamm's scripts for Batman are what hold up the best over the years. There are so many great lines of dialogue in the first two Batmans.
"It's as though we were made for each other. Beauty and the Beast. Of course, if anyone else calls you 'beast' I'll rip their lungs out." -
Doc Ock certainly seems less sympathetic than in the movie. I'm looking forward to reading it but I think they did the right thing by going with another draft.
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I thought the end the way they filmed it was damn near flawless, the ambiguity of the "happy ending."
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The THING wrote Spider Man 2?
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I thought it was necessary because it was one of the few moments of pleasure Peter actually allows himself to have. At least it wasnt' disco dancing
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as trying to show that Peter has options. He's not after Mary Jane just because she's the only girl who will actually give him the time of day, he's after Mary Jane because he truly loves and cares for her.
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Was a charachter to be developed in the third film. Probably a great original supervillain. Come on, tell me that wouldn't been grat. The slinny shy girl turns into something horrible. The girl was good too, and weird looking. Of course SM3 didn't develop that character. Or any other one. At all.
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big fucking deal
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oh, havent read the unused script yet.
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Chabon pitched them an element Sam and the producers really liked (Peter's psychological torment over his powers, I think -- haven't read his "draft"), but that's all they wanted of his ideas. They were already happy with where the rest of the script was going. But you can't just "buy" a single idea from a writer. He was commissioned to write a draft, but they only ever intended to incorporate just an element.
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is there any having beers and cheeting on wives in this version?
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Pretty close to the version they filmed, except they use the word "bro" more than "dwag"
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Apr 11, 2008 1:13:39 PM CDT
Yeah, Really, when's the payoff with the Landlord's Daughter plo
by cookylamoo
Spider Man #6?
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Those who use it are so uninformed.
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There's a pretty good article about Meg on the Los Angeles times website. You can get there through Latino review. Judging by the artwork there might be a pretty scary movie in there somewhere and Jan De Bont seemed pretty enthused. Then again he was probably pretty enthused about "Poseidon" as well.
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...the same way SIN CITY and 300 were made. If you shoot them like that, you can be totally faithful to the look of the comics, and the more outlandish elements won't seem outlandish at all. It just seems like everytime they try to make something "realistic", they end up fucking it up. BATMAN BEGINS was a great film, but they totally fucked up with the costume. I agree, Batman would not wear spandex, he'd have some kind of body armor, but they went crazy with the notion. And aesthetically, it was just a rehash of the ridiculous rubber Burton suit. And the new one is almost as bad, although he doesn't have the huge "panther" neck that the first one had, which seriously restricted his head movements. I want to see a live action Batman wearing black and gray, with the white slits for eyes. There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to get that shit right. While liberties have obviously been taken, the costumes for WATCHMEN are fucking badass. Snyder gets that movie superhero suits have to be functional AND cool-looking. Why can't Batman also look badass? Why does he have to have a cowl that mushes his mouth around when when he tries to turn and look at someone? Why does he have to be all black? Why does he have to be all rubber, all the time? Nolan makes those rules, and those rules suck. Anyway, SPIDER-MAN movies should be the same. Then we could get a proper Green Goblin, Dock Ock, Sandman, and...actually, fuck Venom. I don't want to see Venom in another movie ever again.
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A script that was never used for a film that came out four years ago... It's officially a slow news day.
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Landlord's Daughter becomes the Black Cat.
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The dialogue, with the exception of a few scenes, was pretty bad. And the story progression itself was not very interesting. They kept the best parts of this script in the finished film, trust me.Come on, a young, handsome, muscular Doc Ock who falls for Mary Jane? Seriously?
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Anyone who disses Cameron's treatment deserves to be disembowelled upside down so they get a face full of their own shit as they die. Oh and this script sucks.
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Sam Hamm's Batman 2 script wasn't made. Daniel Waters ended up writing Batman Returns. His script is much better than the finished film represents. Good scenes and dialogue were cut out unfortunately.
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Makes me think of this
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Is it common for writers to use "oh shit" as a description of a character's reaction? Wtf is going on here?
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I always thought that the daughter was just a device to help Peter be able to talk to Mary Jane. You know, because nerds can't talk to girls without sounding like nerds, so they need someone else piping in dialogue so that they sound... dumber.
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What scoop!
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Now don't get me wrong, Spider-Man three is my third favorite of the franchise. But it's not like they completely pooch-screwed it. They could still recover and continue with the characters as they are. Re-cast some characters, sure. But to start over with the origin again and bringing back characters that are now dead (i.e. Norman and Harry), I don't think anyone wants to see that again.
I'm not sure that the Hulk even needed a "reboot". But one that certainly does in another 5-10 years? X-Men. X-Men 3 was the equivalent of Biff throwing those kid's ball onto the roof and then screaming in those kid's faces in Back to the Future 2. That's exactly how I felt when I left the theater, like Fox had taken my $8 and then screamed in my face. Spider-Man 3, while it could have been handled better, did not leave me with that feeling. -
I was aware that Hamm did an early version where the Penguin was hunting for buried treasure or something, but I did not know they had someone come in to finish the final draft. He still got a story credit (at least according to imdb) so I'm guessing (although there's no way to be sure) that all of the great lines are his. Anyway, thanks for the info.
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Tobey Mcguire's speach impediment gets on my fucking nerves, Kirsten Dunst can't fucking act, the stories were terrible, Macy Gray(?), PowerRanger Goblin sucked, Doc Oc was irritating, CGI was mostly bad, People lifting Parker up crowd surfing style on train sucked dick, Harry Osborn character blew ass, Sandman was stupid, Venom weighed about a buck ten, Evil Parker with his Emo haircut should've never the paper it was written on, Sam Raimi needs to retire after raping my favorite character and childhood with not only one but THREE bad movies, I waisted a total of $30 buying tickets to these pieces of trash, not too mention gas and a total of 6 hours of my life, should've never went and saw the other two after the first one sucked so bad, I helped finance the other two, I'll be walking down the street and remember how stupid I was for seeing these movies and I suddenly be ashamed of myself, how do I explain this to my future kids etc.....
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The "cake scene" is simple symbolism. The entire movie Peter Parker is trying to serve others, and he never catches a break. When he is given cake it is the first time in the movie someone serves him. He is spiritually renewed by a small act of kindness.
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So flame on supporters. I do not care. Let's see how creative your little slanderous comments can get. I'll sit back and laugh. Oh and for the record...Spiderman is my favorite comic character. From day one.
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Somebody has got to make the Walon Green & Gary Goldman revised draft of Crusade back from 1993. And now is the perfect time to do so. I read it a little while back and it would make a fantastic movie if done right. Arnie's too old to play Hagen, but you could easily get Gerard Butler to play the role. And please, get Paul Verhoeven to do it.
BTW, if you want to read the "Crusade" script, it's available for purchase over at scriptcity.com. Normally I wouldn't suggest buying an unproduced script, but in this case definitely make an exception. Trust me. It's a great story and well worth the money. -
and you have Final Draft. I just copied and pasted this pdf into a text file. Saved it as plain text. Then imported into final draft.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that was a strangely unfinished little sub-plot. I kept waiting for something to happen to her, but...nothing...did... Jeez. Maybe she's the female Doc Connors, who's been in three of em now and still not turned into the Lizard. She's lined up to be some kind of superhero or villain... Think about it, she's a landlord's daughter, lives in a semi-slum. They have cockroaches in slums... She gets bitten by cockroach and becomes Roachgirl or Cockgirl. Yes, defintely, Cockgirl...
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Both performances are wooden, although I do buy into Toby's Peter Parker. There is NO chemistry between the two. He might as well go for the landlord's daughter and let something really heavy fall on Mary Jane.
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Apr 11, 2008 3:21:39 PM CDT
"I waisted a total of $30 buying tickets to these pieces of tras
by cookylamoo
Which obviously would have been better spent on Ritalin.
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I'm not that far into the script yet, but fucking Spider hearing?
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yer dumb
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A script that was never used, what's the point?
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If X-Men was like having Biff take your $8 and then scream at you, then Spider-Man 3 was like being Biff when he was covered by a truckload of manure.
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Can't say I've noticed. Granted his voice hasn't changed since he was thirteen but he still sounds fine to me.
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I'm SO sick of fanboys waxing poetic about Burton/Hamm's Batman. It was stupid and campy and just a convoluted mess designed to highlight the gadgets and Jack Nicholson.
I've gone into this before. My biggest problem is that if you keep count, Batman kills more innocent people than the Joker. But then there's Jack Nicholson basically playing himself in white makeup. His Joker was terrible. He chewed the scenery as if it were a Laker Girl's ass.
And Gotham looked re-fucking-diculous.
Of course, Burton managed to top himself by giving us giant penguins and a goo-spewing Danny DeVito in his underwear. Oh, and let's not forget the EVIL CIRCUS. Because He's Tim Burton, and it's SO cool when you take something that seems innocent and make it EVIL.
Man, they can trash the whole lot of 89-90s Batman films. Batman & Robin may have been the worst of them, but when you really look at it, Batman 89 isn't very far from Batman & Robin in camp value. Just because some people get warm fuzzies about it doesn't mean it's any more watchable now.
Burton only recently came back to form with Sweeney Todd. Prior to that, his only good movies have been Ed Wood, Beetlejuice, and Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.
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Spider-Man 1 --- A fine coming-of-age story that happens to feature Spider-Man. Hey! Look! Bruce Campbell! Spider-Man 2 --- A fine romantic comedy that happens to feature Spider-Man. And Bruce Campbell again! Yeah! Spider-Man 3 --- Finally a Spider-Man movie featuring Spider-Man. Too bad it's so friggen weak that Bruce Campbell's cameo is the highlight of the flick.
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It's 800 pages long and consists almost entirely of Indy on a desolate beach talking to Sallah about "growing old with no regrets." There's also a action-packed and hilarious prison rape scene.
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This version seems smaller and a bit rushed in my opinion. The young Doc Ock, not even called Doc Ock so we miss out on the great naming scene that was in the final movie, only like what, two fight scenes between Ock and Spider Man.
It had some good moments though I liked, the previously mentioned "Spider Cave' line, Harry's descent into paranoia and insanity was handled better in this draft as well. But overall this pales in comparison the movie we did get to see.
One gripe I have though is Chabon's complete lack of Spider-Man knowledge at all. Spider hearing..Norman Osborne? If you're going to write an adaptation of something, any genre, you should be at least somewhat familiar with the basic trappings of the characters you're working with. Make it your own in your own way, but stick with the basics. Spellings of character names would be one. -
I said that...."Tobey Mcguire has a speech impediment"......Well sort of. His fucking upper lip DOS NOT move when he talks. Kinda of like watching a one legged stripper. IRRITATING!
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..is "Frakkin" hilarious.
ZeroCorpse, your Biff manure analogy had me ROFL.
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Are you getting antsy that no one's chomped on your flame bait yet? You sound pretty pathetic "Pay attention to ME! Argue with ME!". And by the way, if you were such a fanboy, you'd know to never leave the hypen out of Spider-Man. DoopDeDoo...
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crushed together into one misshapen monster.
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You GOT ME!! But that does not change the fact that Tobey's lip doesn't move.
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...would have been better than Tobey Mcguire as Spiderman.
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And her dad's cute too. No more mullet.
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I was expecting something a lot more interesting, but I found myself drifting from what I was reading in the first act. I like Spidey 2 a lot and enjoyed it and I'm glad they didn't use this draft.
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seriously, kirsten can't act and isn't even all that hot. The landlord's daughter, though, had some kind of undescribable appeal. Like you know she's one makeover montage away from being a total hottie!
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I Agree.
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I think Spidey 3 is equivalent to the attractive girl who sat right in the middle of your Psych 101 class. You'd get together with her every week for coffee, and you'd crack jokes, and she'd laugh, and you would actually form coherent opinions and insights in regards to films, music, society, and she'd totally see your point. Everything is going great, and you think that she's the one, then suddenly she spits at your face and starts making out with a blonde-haired motorcycle jacket-clad lesbian, just because she can. Attack of the Clones, on the other hand, now that's a movie equivalent to three gorgeous women stepping into three separate transporters (the ones from "The Fly"), as a result merging into an unsightly, ungodly, misshapen abomination that god himself can't even fathom.
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..the combination of sweat and spit that drips on him from his dad from above who holds him down as he has his drunken way with him nightly.
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If there is it sounds more like lazy American speech rather than a speech impediment. It's pretty common with modern actors, very little voice and diction training. As a matter of fact even though I thought he was terrific in the part of Peter Parker I was always a little dissatisfied with his Spider-Man. His voice didn't have the character needed to be a genuine smartass. A better example is Neil Patrick Harris's voice for that MTV cartoon. Still if Maguire comes back for a fourth round you won't hear me complaining.
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Keep trying. With a little practice you'll get it. ANd Hey, while you're using Barnes N Nobles wi fi, go over to the joke book section and pick one up. That should help.
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I agree. Good points.
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"Underoos hates everything but..." Did you not see my Hannah Montanah RAWKS!! post?
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I have a joke that you can tell all of your family. "What do you call a Mexican with a rubber toe?... Roberto
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Acting is not exclusively emotional and mental, it's an exercise in communication as well and speaking with diction and character is a very necessary component to that fact. I'm not dumping on Tobey Maguire in the least, he's always been emotionally there and he lives truthfully on film, but he does have his weak points and those are in his voice. Look at Morgan Freeman and Daniel Day Lewis, their voices are so communicative that you can tell what they were saying if they were speaking Korean.
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You're waisting you're time. You have to play with these youngsters. They don't get what you are S A Y I N G.
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Essi non riesce proprio quello che si dice, come se si parla un'altra lingua.
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He always sounds like this. Besides, teenagers can be articulate especially one as intelligent as Peter Parker. Look at Topher Grace, I don't know if he ever had any speech training or if thats just how he sounds but theres more to his voice. I know Parkers a shy guy and Maguire did put the effort into the necessary behavior, a slight hunch in his posture for instance, but sometimes you have to compromise that for presentations sake. Also Parker's not a teenager in all three films show he should grow out of this. That was a big problem Roger Ebert had in his criticism of the third one, Peter Parker is too old for the problems he's having.
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The film had its flaws, and undeniably was the weaker of the three, but overall it was a solid film that bit off more than it could chew. What I'll never understand is the hate for "emo" Peter. Since the film is making fun of Peter being emo shouldn't that be a plus. Or, maybe those who hate emo Peter are themselves emo and don't like being made fun of. That's the only explanation I can come up with.
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You can't tell me Tobey Maguire wouldn't be a better Spider-Man with a richer voice. He's working fromm under a mask for crying out loud.
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immediately understand. Yours is one of several explanations for that scene and I think they're all right. Point is, it's something you wouldn't expect in a superhero which adds to how great Spiderman 2 is.
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Yea these guys have cool hair, paint their nails black, and they might kiss another guy every once in a while. But what dude hasn't?
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I told you, you are waisting your time. Make a joke or talk about how they like to suck their dad off or something. They like that.
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If you honestly think Batman and Batman Returns are the only films of his worth watching then you fail at movie critiquing. Sweeney Todd and Big Fish blow Batman away, especially considering Jack Nicholson played Jack Nicholson in the film. A few funny lines and a permanent smile doesn't make you the Joker. Joker is the guy who would have a T-shirt saying "I killed the second Robin and all I got was this lousy t-shirt." He's the guy who shoot Zatanna in the throat to stop her from speaking just to see if she can escape a magic tank full of water. Joker's the kind of guy who makes everyone think he's insane when he's not and you know why? BECAUSE IT'S FUNNY TO HIM. Jack Nicholson was not the Joker. The best rendition of the Joker so far is Mark Hamill's voiced Joker from Batman TAS. Burton's bat films were good but not the great that Sweeney Todd or Big Fish was.
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I'm not sure if it was in anguish ("Look what they did to this movie!") or in relief ("Thank Hera it's over!")
All I know is that I felt betrayed. It's rare that a movie actually makes me feel BETRAYED. Upset, angry, disappointed, or confused? Sure. Betrayed? Nope. But SM3 did it.
I felt like I should go to Sam Raimi's house and ask him if he'd like to give my $8 back, out of basic human decency.
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You should get your money back from Avi Arad who forced Raimi to shoehorn Venom into his script because, as Avi put it, the fans demanded Venom.
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Wearing that outfit in a dangerous neighborhood like that, you were practically asking for it.
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because Leo DiCaprio was killed. Spoiler. Oops. Too late.
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But do not forget 3:10 to Yuma. BAD to the ASS.
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Still wants to personally direct a Venom movie. So there's your reasoning. Just thinking about that disgusting mess when it comes out is frightening. No doubt Carnage will be in it. Ugggh. WHORE MORE MARVEL PROPERTIES! DO IT! WHY DOESN'T "GREAT" CHARACTERS LIKE NAMOR or SPEEDBALL OR HAVE THERE OWN MOVIE YET!? The market isn't SATURATED ENOUGH! I WANT A MOVIE FOR EVERY SINGLE X-MAN!! RRWrwwr Where's my RITILIN?
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SARCASM
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Also Believe it or not the extra Or was gonna be for Forbush man. Ha ha.
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Make this happen Marvel!
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I don't think X3 or Spider-man 3 were great or even good films, but I don't think they're drastic step downs from their predecessors. X2 and Spider-man 2 were both good and the best in their respective series, but the first installments in each franchise were barely better than the thirds. The first X-Men took a big smelly dump on what I thought a good X-Men film should be, aside from a few scenes like Wolverine's introduction, so I just don't get the fanboys who jumped ship for the third installment. You can apply almost any criticism you can make about the third installment in each series to the first one as well. So yeah, my tears dried almost a decade ago when I got over the fact that Rogue was being played by someone with down's syndrome, Sabretooth had the brain of a cocker spaniel, Rutger Hauer wasn't Magneto, Topher Grace wasn't Spider-man, Green Goblin was in a Power Ranger suit and there was a commercial for Macy Gray's new CD in the middle of my goddamn Spider-man movie. Now Batman Begins, there is a franchise that got off on the right foot thank god.
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I read Garland's Halo script a year or so ago and was very impressed with it. Now we have a full on Spidey script from Pulitzer Prize winner Michael Chabon. This cannot miss.
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Because it felt like watching the FF movies, only with rape and stuff.
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By the time he got the emo haircut and started dancing at a jazz bar I wanted to end the pain with a boxcutter and a bottle of pills. I can vividly recall being at an advanced screening and watching Peter Parker disco dancing down the street while females looked at him in disgust/scared amusement. I've blocked out alot,but him doing "pistol fingers" at other pedistrians haunts me to this day. Damn that movie sucked, I want to throw the Raimi brothers a severe beating for that one.
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not because he's lame but cause Marvel had already made movies off of everyone else.
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That I could think of. Now is the time for Elektra 2 : Elektra vs Catwoman
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Forbush was like the mascot for the humor mags. But Marvel can't make those anymore. No way they can make anything funnier then what they already put out. The ancient What the? And not brand ecchs were funny books that made fun of the industry as it was. I think they take themselves too seriously to do that now.
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Don't get me wrong, Ian McKellen is a fantastic actor and he definitely nailed Magneto's personality. It's hard to criticize his performance. For me personally though, it was always just crippled by the fact that Rutger Hauer exists. I remember watching Blade Runner for the first time when I was like 7 or 8 and heavily into X-Men comics and doing what might have been my first bit of dream casting. And it's been lodged in my head ever since, Rutger Hauer IS Magneto, but sadly the window for him to play him is all but closed now. Too bad, a legendary actor who has played some of the best villains of all time that just happens to look exactly like what's on the page. Topher Grace, again, a couple episodes of That 70's Show convinced me. One thing that I always found almost completely absent from Raimi's version of Spider-man was the wisecracks. Tobey Maguire nailed the bumbling Peter Parker, but his Spider-man wasn't witty and sarcastic enough. He's far more talented as a dramatic actor than a comic actor. Much of the blame goes to the writers I guess, but Topher Grace could definitely carry both sides of the personality better than Maguire can. He has proven his dramatic chops as well. It was weird to see him as Eddie Brock, I'm not familiar with the Ultimates version of the character really and Eddie Brock to me is a big dumb mongoloid, not a doppel ganger for Parker. I actually find the Eddie Brock story and the Venom origin very interesting in the comics, but it's unweildy in the movie and just like in the comics once he's fully Venom he's a pretty boring character. He's slimy and toothy and his weakness is sound! Yawn. I actually didn't mind that all he got was one showpiece at the end of Spider-man 3. He's lame.
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David Carradine. Kung Fu, man. Patrick Stewart was a no brainer of course, and he worked out awesome.
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It was Wolverine, Wolverine 2: Wolverine United with Other Mutants, and Wolverine 3: Wolverine's Last Stand.
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He had some hilarious moments in Wonder Boys. But as a smartass, not his strongest suit.
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At least they're admitting it now and just making straight up Wolverine movies.
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Too true.
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They never should have made X-Men movies if they weren't willing to make Sentinels. Give Cyclops something to blast the fuck out of for crying out loud. Instead we get Jealous Boyfriend "Gahhh! You knocked off my visor!" Cyclops that can't wait for his next opportunity to make Wolvie look cool, or die pointlessly. They spent way too much time giving Rogue the arc they gave Jubilee in the Animated Series, and it went nowhere by part three. She was the mutant that waited in the car until it was safe to come out. I've been disappointed with the X-Men series since day one, but there are parts where everything clicks into place and an uneven X-Men series is better than one that flat out sucks I guess.
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Apr 11, 2008 7:37:12 PM CDT
Spider-Man 3 was like hearing one poster fantasize about being
by smerdyakov
over and over. You don't come here for the talkbackin', do you?
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Prove me wrong.
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This boy sure knows how to write 'em!
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That line she gives Toad made me die a little bit inside. Halle Berry never took the role seriously, and then had the nerve to leverage her stardom to get her more screen time for her boring delivery of the character. Give me Nona Gaye or something, and don't just make her the sassy black character with horrible one liners and the ability to increase the amount of CG in a scene. They should flashback to all the origins like an episode of Lost so we can see why this Nubian goddess has substance. Same goes for a lot of other undeveloped characters that lost screen time to Blowfish Guy and Tiger Beat Iceman. There should also be a rule that no X-Men movie can be less than three hours long.
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He only has the claws and the adamantium bones because his healing was good enough to survive a balls out crazy operation. I always took the heightened senses and tracking as more of his human characteristics, like he would be a badass motherfucker even if he wasn't an indestructable mutant with claws in his knuckles.
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There are a lot of parallels between this script and the final version of the story. Have to admit that while the movie is my favorite of the three Spideys, This script was pretty killer.
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Apr 11, 2008 8:06:36 PM CDT
Can't they just get comic writers to write comic screenplays?
by gwai lo
Is there like an official reason for this? Is it because of Robocop 2? I mean they can hand it off to a film writer to fix the formatting when a couple drafts have been hammered out, I'm just really unclear on why Frank Miller is just now becoming the first successful crossover. Comics are basically storyboards, the scripts that writers draft for artists are already pretty close to screenplay format. There are tons of legendary comic writers out there treading water in decades old comic series, they could be writing definitive interpretations of all these comic book movies.
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I know why it wasn't made. This is written like a story, not a screenplay. Over 250 pages long in Arial with formatting that would make Robert McKee commit suicide. Automatic handoff to a different writer who will doubtlessly want to do their own thing and will probably do it in the correct format. I'm sure great stories get missed all the time because they're not told right. Shame really, but writers should learn the technical side of the form unless they're planning to direct their own work .
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Especially since she has her Somalian accent that is hers!
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Iman is older than most of your Moms.
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What I'm saying is, why not at least get a guy like Chris Claremont or John Byrne to at least write a story treatment before screenwriters do a draft. I just don't buy into the idea that only screenwriters have the magical power to put a coherent story on the screen, especially in the case of comic books, which are probably the closest form to cinema that exists on the page.
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1.300, 2.American Splendor, Blade 1 (sometimes), 3.Conan the Barbarian, 4.Sin City, 5. SuperMan 1978 6.Batman 89' 7.The Crow 8.Dick Tracy, 9.THe league of Extraordinary Men 10.X-Men 1 (sometimes)
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LXG? For true? I gotta go ponder that one while I walk the dog.
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No, I'm being serious. I enjoyed the ones I listed for all sorts of different reasons.
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Shit, I'll write a Dazzler movie and it will be the best damn Dazzler movie you've ever scene.
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LXG. I think I am the only one who had fun watching this one. It did not take itself too serious and I enjoyed the concept. It did have that "Van Helsing" vibe but I thought all in all it was pretty cool.
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As a budding screenwriter and massive fan of Spidey 2 I'm fascinated to see Chabon's pass. Much appreciated, Merrick. Cheers. :)
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I am aware of Robert Howard. I saw Conan in theaters when it came out. I through in the list though. I will say that Dark Horse has done a pretty good job with the new Conan series. They are basing the stories directly from Howards books. The art is not that bad either.
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for 80 minutes- you can't imagine just how hard you're going to cum, but at the same time, you're wondering why it's taking so long. 100 minutes in and you're about to climax- you can't believe it, your cock is so tight and then BAM! you cum loads and loads, but to your horror you've cum blood. Theres blood everywhere- the loss of it makes you woozy, lethargic and generally pissed off. You spend the last 20 minutes cleaning it.
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ah! I've realised theres a word for what I was trying to describe. Spider-Man 3 is an "anti-climax." Thats the one :P
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At the same time.
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Jokes on us, Bats!
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Im not your friend, Pal
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I'm not your partner, Batman
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thanks for the tip on nothing..trying reading, idiot
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Writing a screenplay in arial with improper formatting is a perfect way to get it not even read.
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Spider-Man 3 was like your wife walking in on the great sex.
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then they could introduce some much needed Celtic poetry into the franchise.
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Got it?
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Apr 12, 2008 2:44:19 AM CDT
my recollection of spidey 3 is a little fuzzy, but
by vaudeville villain
were we even shown any *real* action of spidey in the black suit? wasn't it mainly just (spinning) newspaper covers of his 'exploits?' god, that was lame as hell.
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That's because most Marvel properties have painted themselves into the corners of continuity hell, hence the Ultimates concept and the need for reboots. But film is a new medium, all I'm suggesting is that they tap the potential of these guys that have been in the minds of the characters for decades now and ask them to write faithful and definitive takes on the material that touch on classic moments from the canon. Instead, they hire the latest up and coming screenwriter(s), who I'm guessing either Wikipedia the characters or read some of the main arcs if we're lucky, and then shoehorn whatever they find into traditional structure. I seem to recall the X-Men Animated Series (which Claremont helped write) being entertaining while remaining far more faithful to the books than any of the X-Men movies were. The level of quality wasn't as high, obviously, because we're talking about a Saturday Morning cartoon for children. But you could conceivably fit 8 of those episodes into one feature length movie, and from what I recall those cartoons got a lot of story told in the span of eight episodes without diverting from what the fanbase wants to see in an adaptation.
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...and Spidey 1 was boring as friggin hell!
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...might be awesome if Sam directs it. If not, it'll probably be trash. I call him Sam because I said five words to him once at a comic book show and that makes me close enough of a friend to refer to him by his first name. At least that's how it seems to work around here.
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She must have a great agent, she pops up all over the place where least expected
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This is all very good, but we should be sending our snouts out digging up info on Spidey IV....
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Apr 12, 2008 5:22:14 AM CDT
ZeroCorpse is right all old live action batmans are crap
by angrykirby.tk
he said it quite well
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the one he made with oct was shitty, but i really loved the one with electro and sandman. spiderman threatened to strangle a guy with his own intestine. fucking sweet
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.... I mean...of COURSE he got a screen credit. Clearly this script was read, and they said all the things we have said.... Otto should not want to fuck MJ.... and all that crap about Spidey actually CURING himself is shitty... lets just put it down to 'your hearts not in it syndrome". Then... we need a few more excuses for action scenes, so we'll have Octavious rob a bank.. then Spidey can should "heres your change!!!". And whay hay! Lets get filming. Aside from that, and a few other points, done for pretty sensible reasons - the script WAS used. At least, the story was. I would hardly call it ALTERNATE. Unless its alternate in the same way that the ALTERNATE ending to Hannibal (and most movies) was alterante... i.e NO FUCKING DIFFERENT.
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Yes please, but only if you reboot the fucker. I like McGuire, but hs's forever tainted by Spidey 3 and his unforgivable love for that insipid version of MJ. Drop him and the horrendous Dunst and recast the whole thing. Rachael McAdams would make a great and ACCURATE Mary-Jane, for example.
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There's ALWAYS time for eating cake, especially with pretty girls that have low self esteem.
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...Got to about page 6 and then lost interest. Horrible dialogue and a worse opening than the actual film boasts.
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Apr 12, 2008 8:09:15 AM CDT
SPIDER-MAN VS. MURDER-SET-PIECES NAZI SERIAL SNUFF KILLER
by bringingsexyback
Too soon?
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I would eat the shit outta a pizza yurt pie.
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Apr 12, 2008 10:41:13 AM CDT
"attention! I am a mad scientist and am looking for spiderman."
by ironic_name
funny, but Sargent's rewrite was better.
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Learn something new everyday.
Laura Prepon would have been the perfect MJ and I know plenty of people who agree. Although, I fear that once they bring her into the franchise the rest of the cast of That Seventies Show will not be far behind. Ashton Kutcher can be Electro, but since he can't pretend to be anyone but himself his character will still have to pull pranks on people and bang women twice his age. -
I am here, on my laptop, soaking in the scenery of hot and smart babes reading books. My house is having a few rooms added to it for some young Swiss models that are moving in whom will be paying rent with a combination of food and regular blow jobs.
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...but I'm your age if you recall, and the 1970s Ross Andru take on MJ has always been my favorite, hence my predilection for McAdams in the role.
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...did you really WANT Parker to win MJ back? My God, with both Gwen Stacy and Betty Brant and the Russian landlord's daughter virtually drooling over him, he still went back to that anemic, no-talent, stoop-shouldered bimbo.
What a loser!
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and it was Spider Man. The rest of his catalog is utter shit. I hope this fucker leaves.
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He sets the pizzas on the desk. The receptionist stares at him then the pizzas; disgust. Peter looks - there is a gob of webbing on the top box. Sheepishly he scrapes it off.
Peter (cont'd): I'm not Spider-Man.
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Seriously guys...then you have no taste in film at all. Find a different pass time.
IDIOTS!! -
I'd love to see that as a film, but there's little chance of that.
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Apr 12, 2008 8:31:16 PM CDT
Peter Parker is supposed to be homely...not Tobey Maguire homely
by alice cooper stalker
Alright, I've always thought that Peter Parker is supposed to be homely..nerdy..scrawny. But not as homely, nerdy and scrawny as Tobey Maguire!
Yeah, Spiderman 3 had too much going on. I own all 3 flicks. One thing that always bothered me is that they seem to have been written for the masses. They were too safe. Too clean. I don't know. Guess I'm in a griping mood tonight. -
x-men 2 was good, spider man 2 was good. origin stories waste a hell of a lot of time but sm2 was a great payoff. seriously, you just felt for peter, never getting a break and the life he deserved, but totally and finally realizing that with great power comes great responsibility. the movie was great. the landlords daughter i have no fucking idea about. sm3 was a total ass raping.
batman the original Burton flick i remember watching in the cinema, the hype was amazing, and surprising with the lack of serious sfx. but i remember it was a cool movie for its time, even though the ending was cheesy. the other sequels haven't dated well at all,
bales reboot is great. i totally enjoyed batman begins, and know the sequel will do well.
the problem with these franchises is the lack of a proper fucking villain. penguin? seriously? the vulture? get the fuck out of here. lex fucking Luther. fuck off. superman, need to fight braniac or metallo or whatever the fuck that machine is. spidey needs to fight the rhino, and batman well he needs to fight some fucking body else! i need some serious comic book devastation on screen.
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Apr 13, 2008 8:21:42 AM CDT
The amazing thing about Spiderman 2 was the shear number...
by rbatty024
of genres Raimi was capable of including into that film. It's one part soap opera, cartoon, slapstick, 50's monster movie, action-adventure, slasher film, 60's sitcom, romance, and just a regular old superhero film all at one point in the movie. He stuffs the film with so many visual cues but at the same time it feels cohesive.
I think Raimi is making post-modern art in the way that Tarantino was with Kill Bill, but for my money Spiderman 2 feels less like a Frankenstein stitch job than Tarantino's film felt like (although, I did enjoy Kill Bill) and like an original whole. -
3 did not click right. I blame the Venom story line. Too much and felt like a compromise from pressure to include it. I thought the end with Harry and the 3 there for each other was good AND I liked the scene with Sandman at the end. It just didn't gel as an entire movie.
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book movies are crap. This is true and cannot be disputed.
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It was Spider-man 3 that ruined the franchise.
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Why could you have found a better Script Rough Draft? Such as the fifteen or so drafts of Indy 4.
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Mopes around less, calls electro a motherfucker, nails MJ on the Brooklyn bridge, while he's still a likable, troubled young guy, trying to find his way. His villains (Electro and Sandman) are more believable and credible, and people are actually interested in his powers, not just taking them for granted. Spidey is a wiseass and MJ has a personality (GASP) and a fleshed out reason for dating Flash and being the "popular girl".There is no Harry and the Soap Opera Hell that follows him. This movie should've been made. http://dantom.altervista.org/ spider_ing_script.html
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Apr 13, 2008 6:11:01 PM CDT
It obviously wouldn't have made it into the final product
by david cloverfield
But it felt like a real reaction to Electro torturing MJ by kissing her. (Electricity. He can't touch people.) But this Spidey cries too. I dunno why they always want to make live action Spidey cry.
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until the stuff with Ock falling in love with MJ and his overly complex reason for wanting Spider-Man. Plus not enough action and too much of it happening with Spidey out of costume. But Chabon did something for the first 3rd or so that all the sequels have failed to do for me: incorporate fresh elements from the comicbook while capturing the humor and excitment of the first film. And I like the way he tried to create a little more emotional/scientific reality than the movies had. They were right to go to another draft but I think they threw out some good stuff.
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That isn't 5/6ths computer generated shit? These movies are like watching a third rate video game...that is really really long and boring.
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are you joking? coen's next. great book.
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Coen? Do you mean the Coen brothers?
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I just googled it. How did I not know about this? This makes my whole week...
And Kavalier and Clay too! (Not by the Coens, but paramount, anyway)
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