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So did anyone see the final Millenium episode ever? I just found out yesterday morning that the show was canceled, and although I was disappointed, I figured it was the right thing to do. I consider myself an educated person, and I loved Millenium in its first season (does anybody remember the first episode with Lucy Butler...amazing...the best episode ever for this series), but for the last several weeks I couldn't understand what the heck was going on in any of the Millenium episodes. They would build up this story line and end the whole thing with a mysterious and crappy ending which I really couldn't understand. It's too bad this series went to waste. If they had kept it as intense as the first season, I'm sure this series would have continued for at least another year through the millenium. About the ONLY good episode this season was the episode with the girl who would cut the heads off the guys that saw her naked. The show seemed to be building up to some kind of conspiracy with the military, but then it ended up just being about a true, blue serial killer. I'm definitely going to miss this show, but I guess I can look forward to Chris Carter's new brain child coming next Fall.
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Sheesh, I thought it was just the SEASON finale. What a drag.
But, since as I write this no one else seems to have "talked back," I guess that might be an indication of the level of viewership and the reason the series never lasted long enough to justify its title.
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This is getting to be rather unfair. First Profit gets cancelled, then Dark Skies, now Millenium. All the good shows get taken of the air.
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Huh. Fox didn't advertise it as the series finale. Fox always cancels its good but weird shows (remember STRANGE LUCK. I LOVED that show. And kudos to the person who mentioned PROFIT. That was a show with a lot of potential). I think MILLENNIUM was actually quite good this season. I liked the mysticism and strangeness because it felt more appropriate for the whole apocalyptic edge of the show. Too bad it couldn't last till 2001. I could see it being cancelled when the actual turn of the millennium came (though the show seemed to go with the popular 2000 bit, which is not accurate). I liked what they were doing in exposing Jordan's gift, with Frank going against the Millenium group, and with the will she or won't she courtship of Hollis by the Millennium group. Too bad it had to end here, but I thought the last episode was quite good. Ratings suck. I wish shows survived on merit.
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It ws extremely badlt scheduled in the Uk.
The terrestrial channnels were caught in a bind. It was too dark for them to show it at a decent time, and so it would get showing at about 11pm, the rescheduled and stopped for a few months.
It was a excellent series, and one of the few around that was innovative and intelligent.
Its a shame to see it go this way. Now we'll have to watch more of the regular crud that TV execs seem to think people like. -
...and I was disappointed. Now I know why I stopped watching the show. It's the same jerk-off as the X-files: answer one question, but pose two more. It was the same exact thing as years ago: a serial killer is on the loose, and Frank's after him and knows EVERYTHING even though the entire law enforcement community is against him. Good riddance.
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I was a big fan of the show, and am sorry to see it go. I thought that this season was great, and along with last season's finale, the best of the series.
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i watched and enjoyed the very first episode of this show. however, after that i couldn't stand to watch more than 5 minutes of any given episode, especially given that it was on at a time when anyone with a life wouldn't be able to watch it consistently. it was just the same old thing every time. personally, i'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
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I sort of liked Millennium in the first season, but for me the second season was the best.
Glen Morgan and James Wong ran the show in season 2 and did a great job, taking the show away from the serial killer of the week motif, and moved to more of a religious mythos that often had interesting overtones. Plus in season 2 there were the two funny episodes written by Darin Morgan, most notable of the two eps was his brilliant "Somehow, Satan Got Behind Me". Just totally funny.
Then there was the twisted ep with that elevator music, and Lucy, I think it was titled "A Room With No View" or something like that.
Season 2 was cool. The Old Man, was cool. The groups leader played by the great character actor Philip Baker Hall was great. Lara Means was excellent. And the way season 2 ended was great.
Season 3 was dull, and slow from the start. Moving Frank back to D.C. and the FBI was lame. Hollis though often an interesting character, played by a fine actress, was still more often boring or usless. It seemed like the new writers were just trying to come up with a Scully and Mulder kind of thing. And it never worked.
Peter Watts was always an interesting character, just wasted in season 3.
But, last night I have to admit feeling sad at the ending of the show. Because Frank, and Peter and even the kid, are rather interesting characters. If the show had some really good writers, like it did in season 2, then I'm sure it would go on and continue.
But, the ending with Frank driving off into an beautiful landscape ahead of him, was somehow touching. At least the final show had a sense of an ending. Very often a show that gets cancelled just sort of stops, without any closure. At least the final scene last night had a sense of closure, and new beginnings for Frank and his kid.
So, in that respect I'll miss the show for what it was in season 2. I won't miss the boredom of season 3. But, I will kind of miss Frank Black, because he was often a very interesting character, and not a typical TV show hero.
It's too bad the writers of season 3 so screwed up the series.
Cord Hawk
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Millennium was a misunderstood gem. Yes, there were bad ones but when that show was good it was great. I think most fans agree that season two was the best. Hell, I thought last season's finale would have made a better series finale than this episode did though. But yet another good show gets the axe. Bad scheduling and people watching one episode and making a broad generalization about it is what really killed it. Apparently nobody thought that the show could change for the better (which it did). Anyone who did not watch this show really missed out. Here's to Harsh Realms.
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I was never an avid viewer of Millenium but the show had alot of potential and I'm sad to see it go. To me the whole night was depressing because after watching the very last Millenium I watched the very last Homicide.
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I really liked the first season for its grittyness, and also the second season for mythology feel. Both seasons were good in different ways. But the show should have ended with the plague episode. I watched the next season opener, and I was not impressed. But I suppose there was no way of digging the plot out of the hole in the ground created by the plague. I tried to keep watching, but after a few episodes I gave up. I watched the finale yesterday and was not impressed, they show really deserved to die at this point. In beginning, it had so much promise, but now it was all squandered away... :( I really like the theme music of the show though, does anyone know if its available on cd as a soundtrack or collection of some kind? - EuroSnob
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I read in Variety Fox would drop the show but Variety said the same thing last season so I'm not sure about its cancellation unless Glen can confirm this. If it is gone then I think the series was a great one. A consistant winner with very few weak episodes (there were probably more weak episodes on the X-Files during its season five then in the three years of Millennium) which had the bad luck of being on Friday night when it should've run head to head against Profiler, a pale imitation of a greater show. I just hope Fox changes its mind but then again they cancelled Alien Nation, so go figure.
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Millennium has been officially cancelled. I know this is true because I spoke to Paul Rabwin and he confirmed it. Millennium had great potential and alot of support from Fox but it never really found its voice or a way to utilize the pool of talent that was wasted on the show. Maybe they'll bring it back as a movie of the week, maybe that would have been its ideal format to begin with.
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Ok, yah, this season was really
bad.. but you DON'T cancel a
show about the year 2000
in 1999! Morons!! Now I'm just
going to have this image of a
computer screen reading 223 Days
Left or whatever, for the rest
of my life. Chris Carter better
release some sort of concluding
short story... pleeeeeze.
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I was never really interested until I saw a few good episodes last season. This season was a real mixed bag. Yeah, it was too evocative of X-Files, but some of the episodes were very well written. Hollis was a 2-D character until recently, when her father's situation came into play. I could never figure out if I thought she was attractive until she had her hair down in one episode, & did you see a flash of the inside of her nightshirt when she tried to restrain her dad on the floor? Nice. Anyway, the dynamics between Hollis & Black were never well thought out. I preferred the dense undertones between Black & his wife.
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I was watching the end of Millenium the other night and I was very pissed that the show has come all this way, gotten to a point where we are 224 (ok, maybe 222 days now) from the year 2000, the time the show has been driving up to for years now. I asked myself if there was any way it could continue.
Call me crazy, but would a series of books be out of the question? It seems to me the perfect way to continue the series now that it is off Fox. It's not like it'd be some huge number of books, maybe 3-4 books that would detail the events leading up to whatever the Millenium Group has in store for the word.
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I have to agree with curve. Yes, this season for the most part stank, but there were some gems there. But you don't build up to a finale and then never show it. We should be told how Frank is going to figure in the "end of the world as we know it" , we should find out if the Millenium group is either evil or good (Though I think changing 180* after 2 seasons of having these guys being humanity's last best hope to being an evil conspiracy defeated the show's purpose) I can only pray that Chris Carter will still have the power to shoot maybe two 2 hr movies to release near May of 2000, when all the shit was supposed to go down. Talk about no closure!
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I think that movies of the week are a great idea, but they should not be on Friday night. I think Monday night would be better. Screw Ally McBeal!!
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Cordwainer Hawk hit the mark exactly! Great concept show with edgy, rippy first season. Second season even better, the show rose to great heights of tension and mystery, almost mythic. Then came the awful third season (that's what killed the show, folks) same old TV-land bullshit, yawn. Watching the last show...what I thought was just a season finale, I thought 'Well, at last they're through with this stupid idea and are going to go into some really interesting territory.' I'm really sorry it's gone, when it was good (first two seasons) it was one of the best dramatic series ever put on TV.
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I have to admit that I wasn't the biggest Millenium fan. However I still have the pilot on tape, and man I still love watching it over and over. I seem to remember reading that the director of photography for the movie "Seven" also worked on the pilot. It shows.
Good series? I dunno. Kind of lost interest after the first few episodes (Friday night I could dedicate to The X-Files, but not this). I will say that it was entertaining enough to watch on the Fridays that I was home.
Oh, well. There's always the possiblility of reruns on the Sci-Fi channel, right?
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As an FBI drama series, the third season was topnotch. The Bureau as depicted throughout this season felt more authentic than on Carter's other, more famous series. The credit for this probably goes to Exec. Prod. Chip Johannsen -- he should be hired on to help oversee X-Files' next, and perhaps final, season. The Bureau depicted on X-Files feels less and less realistic now. It's also a shame that we won't be seeing Millennium continue on to at least another season. From what I recall reading somewhere when the series first began, Carter stated that he had in mind for Millennium being a five-year series. If the series were to continue onto a 4th year, one could see it undergoing another format change -- Frank and Jordan travel throughout the country perhaps, going from town to town dealing with the weirdness that occurs as the clock ticks down to 2000. Meanwhile, the Group would be tracking them. Hollis could make guest appearances, but maybe Klea Scott would no longer be a regular on the series. After 2000 arrives, Frank Black maybe would resume work, doing freelance profiling work for small-town PDs. Maybe he would be joined by ex-Groupers and become part of a resistance (a conspiracy within a conspiracy) to bring down and expose the Group. The story-arc possibilities for Millennium are still there, and that's what makes it such a shame to see it gone now.
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The rumors I heard up front were about a "five year arc" and that was definitely a selling point -- I hate shows that just go on even if there's no story to tell. When we finally get a show like Millenium, there is (or seems to be) a story, and the powers that be won't let Carter tell it.
The changes in the second season smelled of network meddling, and I watched less often, although from what I've read here, I missed some good episodes. Still, I'd like to know what would really have happened.
Millennium is in that category of shows I call "Lois and Clarks". Brilliant the first year, and then the suits start poking their fingers into it, and we never see the creator's true vision of where the show might have gone. Nowhere Man went down this way, too. As a B5 fan, I feel like Joe Straczynski's biggest achievement was securing freedom from studio interference. Very few others seem to get away with this. -
I'm so sad to see this show go. To me, this was the best show on television in several years. I think it's a shame it couldn't last another year for the big payoff. I have to disagree with most of the talkbacks here by saying that season 3 was just absolutely fantastic. All three seasons were great for different reasons. It makes me sad to see an intelligent show like this be given the axe. Was it just me, or did anyone else like seeing Peter Watts get what was coming to him?
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Not believing it till it shows up on FOX's web site as being canceled. It is not officialy on the chopping block this morning, though that could change with the next update to Fox's web page...
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For those who saw the final moments: Were those Peter Watts' feet sticking out into that pool of blood? What happened to the rest of his family, especially his kick-ass daughter? I would have hoped for a TV movie, with Frank and Peter and Hollis fighting the Group right up til the last chime. Ah well...
A good show still...and I agree with Cordwainer- "Satan Got Behind Me" is Chris Carter's best hour of TV ever! -
Can someone please explain to me why The PJ's gets another season and Millennium doesn't? Perhaps Fox deosn't recognize that they only reinforce the idea of network television being lowest-common-denominator fodder when they ice intelligent shows with loyal followings. St. Elsewhere languished in the ratings for years, but NBC was smart enough to respect the audience and keep it going. Fox seems obsessed with building "franchise" programming (The Simpsons, 90210, X-Files), with the net result being shows that start out well enough but turn into standard network fare in a different costume. No thanks.
What the world needs is a cable station to pick up these orphaned children and let them play out their storylines, especially shows like Millennium or Proffit that were obviously going somewhere. Speaking of Proffitt, there's at least one episode that Fox never aired. Has that ever turned up anywhere? -
I watched Millenium in the first season, but it was only this year that I pursued it avidly. From what I understand, it wasn't the ratings that did the show in, but the violence. Fox is trying to tone it down, and therefore Harsh Realms will be changing its tone considerably after the pilot.
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One desperate wacko idea that springs to mind is having Chris Carter finish at least the fundamentals of the Millenium-story in X-Files. Think about it. Ye olde X-Files could use a shot in the arm, and since season 7 is the last, the evil conspiracy-guys upstairs probably can't touch him. Now wouldn't that be nice. A Millenium/X-Files two-parter where the first part is the last ep. to be aired 1999 and the second one the first to be aired 2000. I could certainly live with the idea.
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I knew that Millennium was on shaky ground, I mean, how many times can a show be pre-empted before fans get the hint? I thought this season was a waste of time and energy. You could tell that Chris Carter was more interested in other things. After last seasons incredible plague finale, I was pumped up to see what would happen. Would Frank go after the group full on? Is Laura Means still alive? What about Jordan and her gift? All these questions will have to be answered by our own imaginations. And, while we are on the subject of 'series finales,' what is the deal? It seems like every show on the air is having a series finale. Does Hollywood know something about the impending Millennium that we don't? Just a thought.
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Though sad to see it end, it was a well handled finale. Season 3 was a bit shaky, but overall Millennium was during its run the most unique & intriguing dramatic series on tv. Henriksen was superb as Frank Black. Very disappointed with Fox network. If only another network had the courage and vision to pick up the series. Probably just as well, though it would have been interesting to see it play out to " 0 days remaining."
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Does anyone remember the episode entitled "The Wild and the Innocent"? It was told from the perspective of a girl who was searching for her "Angel" (stolen son) with her boyfriend.. This was one of the best episodes I have seen in any series period.. I wish more episodes of Millenium could have been as innovative.. but it seems like the writers kept losing thier direction frequently..
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So, the end came. It was destiny. Did Carter have this in mind the whole time? He, and the writers, probably had to stop in their tracks to turn the show into a different, and rewrite a few endings, just to get that sense of closure. Was the Millenium Group really that big? It certainly seemed like they held all the cards. And the prolification of secret organizations running, or circumventing, the government has been the bane of tv/movie viewers, (I hope), in recent times. Even Star Trek:DS9 could avoid the cliche of 'We are not alone.' Dare I say, they did it twice.
Anyway, now poor Frank Black, played by the remarkable Lance Henriksen, and his strong girl Jordan, played very well by an actress whose name alludes me, (sorry), are on the run. But are they in any danger? Only if Frank puts his nose in where it does not belong.
The show itself was improving, taking on a slightly different style. Rather like The Fugitive, and the Group is the 'one-armed-man.' It became more of a drama than a horror series. As with all ending seasons though, it was all for nought. And shame on Fox for not advertising it more. If you want people to watch, you have to drill it into their heads.
The perfect example of marketing blitzkrieg could have been seen on ABC last tuesday. ABC must have run the Home Improvement series finale ads every half hour, for a show that would have been seen by a large share anyway.
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The first season came and I loved it. My only complaint was that it was a little too even, a little too much like the serial-killer of the week show.
Season two arrived and I loved it. It had more passion, more varied storys. The scope was widder and wilder. There were some of the best episodes of the whole series. It also had some bad ones. But on the whole it sang. But Chris Carter hated it.
Season three came and our world was turned upside down. I didn't mind them killing of Frank's wife, I didn't mind the seperation from the group. What I hated was the lack of direction and the 180 degree change in our view of the group. It simply became one mans battle against The Group.
It became even darker, it focused on Franks fear of losing Jordan. As a parent I hated it. The Group became some sinister evil capable of any evil imaginable.
This was not the group of the Old Man. This was not the group that defeated the last of the Nazi's. Based on where The Group went in season three it would appear that the Nazi's were not the greater evil.
I wish it had ended with season two. I would not have wasted this year watching the destruction of the series by Chris Carter. I would not have watched so much talent wasted.
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I'd like to thank the cast and crew of this great (and misunderstood) show. Everyone did great work on this show and all involved should be proud. Thanks Chris Carter and company.
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Get out of here...You're pulling my leg! For crying out loud what night did it even come on?? I'm an Art Bell fan, but sheesh! Did anyone watch the show other than him?? Will Lance Henriksen wait for Pumpkinhead Three, Alines 5, or will he jump right back to Skinemax doing shows with that used up ol' Shannon Tweed? Do we need to start up a Lance Henriksen relief fund, and have has-been musicians like Gerardo and Lionel Ritchie perform?
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This was a greatly misunderstood show, and it failed for many reasons, but not because of quality. Aside from the abysmal third season where the writers lost their direction, this show was easily one of the best things ever produced. Yes it was dark and grim, but the darkness wasn't cheesy, the violence was not "sexy." The show had the power to keep its stories from becoming television cliches like the dozens of other cop shows.
Consider that it's leading man wasn't a young stud sex symbol. In fact, sex symbols were pretty much absent from the entire cast. And the acting was brilliant even in the occasional bad episode.
All that being said, I'm sorry to see Millennium go. I came to like it more than the X-Files precisely because it felt more real, even if they were dealing with supernatural/religious themes. Several of the episodes drove me to tears, and the Black family touched my heart. Can't say that about many other shows I've watched.
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I worked for Chris Carter's production company this season and all I can say is that he didn't care about Millennium at all this season... He knew right away that it was over. Besides the two episodes written my Chris and Frank Spotnitz (or should I say written by Frank Spotnitz) I don't think he even read the scripts. He was just riding out the season until it was over and he'll probably transfer the crew over to Harsh Realm... and as far as "Somehow Satan Got Behind Me" being the best hour of Chris Carter television ever, all I can say is he had nothing to do with it. It was made during the second season when Morgan and Wong ran the show while Chris focused on the X-Files Movie. And besides, it was written and directed by Darin Morgan.
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Chris Carter's lack of interest in Millennium & his utter failure to develop a consistent vision for it pretty much doomed things. The show did have intriguing themes that were never developed (see all other comments) and excellent performances by Lance Henriksen, Terry O'Quinn & Brittany Tiplady.
How many people feel as I do: Anything I really like (except X FILES) always gets screwed around and cancelled?
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