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Charlton Heston... one of the greatest screen icons of all time... has passed away!
Hey folks, Harry here... About an hour ago - I finished writing my Grandmother's obit that will be going to her hometown papers. That was rough. Writing obituaries for people you know everything about. That you have incalculable numbers of memories of... And boiling it all down to roughing 400-600 words... that's impossible. Or it feels that way. You boil it down to the bare moments.
It is a completely different sensation when a film icon dies. Like today, Charlton Heston passed away. He's not just an actor - he truly is an icon. And not one that everyone can get behind. In his political advocacy life - Heston became a hero and an arch-villain. Michael Moore shamelessly exploited him in BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE - and with audiences - you could feel them hate and love Michael for doing it.
But when I think of Heston - it isn't the NRA that comes to mind... It's nearly 100 films - some bad - many unbelievably great. Heston didn't feel born like other men - nor did he feel carved of clay - like other. He seemed an actor... a physique... a presence carved of granite. A statue brought to life carved by a master.
I have never seen Heston's debut, Peer Gynt - from 1941 - where he played the titular character. But I saw his second film... JULIUS CAESAR - where he was perfectly cast as Antony. Next he starred in the fantastic noir, DARK CITY - somehow - it was two more years til he landed a role... and that was a biggie. Brad Braden, the ringmaster of THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH. I love that film. I think all circus folk love it. Nothing typifies Heston more than when he doesn't want that bastard trapeze artist's blood - or as he's dying - commanding that the show must go on... but from Heston... you believed it.
My next fave Heston role came with THE NAKED JUNGLE - a seemingly forgotten by most George Pal film - where again Heston played a man that refuses to ever admit defeat - be at the hands of his mail-order bride - or the swarming tide of red ant terror known only by the terrifying cry of MARABUNTA!!!!
Around the same time - he made a little known film called SECRET OF THE INCAS - where I've always suspected that Lucas and Spielberg ripped off Indiana Jones or at the very least - some of the opening sequence of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. Here - Heston is nearly exactly in the trademark Indy wear as an adventurous archeologist searching for treasures in the Peruvian jungle.
His next role that was forever frozen in the minds of the world was that of Moses in THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. It is... simply... perfection. It is high grand cinema - and while some have described the performance as wooden, to me - he feels as though he is a man touched by God - and wielding his power. I don't know what that's like... to wield God's power - and neither does a living being on Earth today... but Heston is how I've always pictured it. Once God truly speaks to you - and gives you the LITERAL ABILITY to be a superhero on Earth... I imagine it could go to your head. But you'd also, most likely, be right.
The next great role was as Mike Vargas in TOUCH OF EVIL... or as Orson Welles said in ED WOOD - "Charlton Heston as a Mexican" - and the result is perfection. Never mind that this was 1958 - and you had Heston as a Hispanic man married to Janet Leigh... which was a taboo at the time. But more than that - he again plays an awesomely self-righteous man. He didn't have the meat of the film. The roles that Welles, Dietrich and Leigh had were far more showy. But he was the anchor for the film. The performance that made it all hinge on
I next loved him in William Wyler's THE BIG COUNTRY with Gregory Peck - where Heston played the ranch foreman disgusted and disliking of this "sea captain" on land. The film isn't as showy as these others - but it's a solid role by Heston worth checking out. Especially for the cinematography - it's jaw-dropping.
Then there's BEN-HUR. I can't possibly love this film more than I do. Possibly the greatest Revenge film ever made... with the greatest sense of hope and love that I've seen. The cinema on display is awe-inspiring - and Heston is perfection. The story of Judah Ben-Hur captures me each and every time that I see it.
But next is a film I love even more... EL CID - the greatest film of what it is to become legend. A story of impossible love, loyalty and heroism. He literally becomes bigger than life on a scale that is immeasurable. When I heard Heston died - as Quint's IM came up - I flashed upon him and Sophia Loren in the hay loft - and that barn door swinging open. To me - it's his greatest film. To me - it is genius.
My next fave role was as Michelangelo in THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY - and embodies the genius of the relation between art and the corporation... or in this case, art and the church... as Michelangelo endeavors under some duress to create the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. The film and his performance are brilliant.
Next, for me, is PLANET OF THE APES - TAAAA LOORRRR... Damn Dirty Apes... The film is greatness. Iconic - and watching as Heston lives in a land of monkeys controlling men... well frankly... it's something we could all imagine... shit, it's our daily existence.
Next - WILL PENNY - where again, Heston was the titular role - and his aging cowpoke is genius. It's a mainly forgotten film - but you can find it on DVD - you should check it out. The supporting cast includes Slim Pickens, Ben Johnson, Donald Pleasence, Bruce Dern, Lee Majors - and even more... This film will get you.
Then there's THE OMEGA MAN - I just plain love the film. I have it in HD and I absolutely love it. It isn't Matheson's novel - but it is the seventies version - and as such... you know - if there were a cool time for the apocalypse - it would have been the seventies. And maybe I say that because, if you're the last man on earth - getting to have whoopee with Rosalind Cash - well that'd be wild. I also love the way his house was set up, that he played chess with a bust of Caesar. The film felt right. Especially as a kid when I saw it at my father's conventions in 77.
Then there's SOYLENT GREEN - about a diet craze that sweeps the world... essentially green Doritos... and when Doritos came out with the Green Chile flavor a while back... I ate a bag... instantly.
And what about his role as Richelieu in Richard Lester's THREE MUSKETEERS and FOUR MUSKETEERS? While not nearly as awesome as Vincent Price's play on the character - you certainly didn't want to cross him.
I loved his architect in Irwin Allen's EARTHQUAKE... what a character. I loved him in GRAY LADY DOWN and the TV versions of A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS and TREASURE ISLAND (directed by his son)
I loved his cameo in TOMBSTONE as Henry Hooker - his old Nick Fury in TRUE LIES - his role IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS - and the brilliance of his Player King in Branagh's HAMLET... And yes, part of the reason I love ARMAGEDDON is his slight inclusion as the narrator.
I just love Heston. His range was exactly what it needed to be - and like Harrison Ford after him - it was his iconography that defined him - and like Ford - his acting ability was greatly underestimated... the fact is he conveyed emotions to an audience that accepted him. He is and will always be one of the great film stars of all time. In a hundred years - if an OSCAR ceremony does a history of Cinema Montage... he could very well be included 5 or 6 times... easily.
He picked great roles and was used for great films. Charlton Heston was a cinematic giant... and he has fallen. Politics aside - I cherish his memory - and wish his family the best.
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He will always be remembered for being such a screen icon, a symbol of a lost generation of Hollywood.
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Charleton Heston truly was my all time favorite actor and this is a very sad day. I will cherish his film roles for as long as I live. Political stuff aside, he truly was a film legend. I will miss you Charleton!
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Apr 06, 2008 12:58:08 AM CDT
You just know Charlton Heston is in heaven right now...
by excaliburffolkes
...hanging out with all those legendary men he portrayed on the silver screen.
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You know what its made of!!
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and a Great Human Being!
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When an actor dies to see what sound bite the media uses to sum up their life. As Harry noted,Heston was one hell of an actor with a varied career. As I flipped around the radio listening to the news,all I heard over and over again was GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME YOU DAMN DIRTY APES!!!
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he screwed the pooch with a few movies (like any other actor), but hell WHAT A CAREER! That was real charisma, and not pretty-boy "acting". You'll be missed, mister.
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Charlton Heston was a man's man. Every actor wanted to either be him or be like him. 1924 the year two "icons" were born. The problem was, Brando was and will always be overrated, whereas Heston will live on forever! God Bless and Godspeed.
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This is a movie site, not a Fox News forum. The Man's politics have nothing to do here, and yours even less.
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His manliness saves the day!
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Loved his cameo on True Lies. After that,I wanted to see an 80 year old Heston as Nick Fury fucking hookers and shooting commies Garth Ennis style. What could have been.....
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Apr 06, 2008 1:20:15 AM CDT
Sorry about your grandmother, Harry.
by the gospel according to bastardface
Yes, Heston was a fun actor and that's all I can judge him on. His right wing tendencies were extreme and dangerous, but his movies were fun and we'll always have them.
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that michelangelo liked to suck cock? bet that woulda freaked the wingnut out...
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Thanks for the post Harry.
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of loving someone but not loving everything that person loves. And go fuck yourself, Panterarocks. I thought you got banned a long time ago, Mr. I Was There When Dimebag Got Shot Like A Million Other Pantera Fans. Don't you have some open heart surgery that needs fixin'? Do you think anyone brought up politics at Heston's funeral? Fuckwit.
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you were a towering force of a man.
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I am sorry, but here you are now on Harry's post trying to point out what a film character did with his crotch to somehow demonstrate that Charlton Heston was a bad actor, or hypocrite. Have you no decency? Do you just watch movies all day thinking about sucking cock and dissecting character's and actor's politics or morals? I am really curious as to what classic films you truly enjoy, or what memories you have as a kid with such classics. Are you still not an adult?
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just seemed so mean spirited.
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And the man will be (is) missed.BTW everyone, let Bacci40 troll to himself, the other TB on Heston is already giving him too much attention.
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then, he opened his fat yap and got involved in politics...funny how its only the actors that open their yaps on liberal issues that get reamed by the press, cuz heston got a pass all his life...shut up and act chuck...oops....too late...and he wasnt a fucking actor...show me one film where he stretched even a little....he was a movie star, with a tremendous affectation, just like kirk douglas...now kirk...there is a man who knew when to keep his big yap shut, cuz he was too busy bangin every broad in hollywood....
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You are pretty tough to be working right now with the week you had. Keep up the good work. It is events like this which remind us of how short our time here is.
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Micheal Moore makes some good points, but he constantly sabotages them by his stupid stunts. The Heston scene in that movie was a a real bummer.
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BEN HUR! Even if he had only made that one film he would be a legend. Not to mention his status as sci-fi demi-god. I'll always love me a hearty helping of square jawed, teeth gritted martyr complex Heston. There will never be another quite like him.
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last time I've seen it on screen. By agrreing to play a small part in a movie directed by Oliver Stone (not exactly a neo-con) he proved how he could dissociate people's politics from their talents. Unlike so many douched around here.
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sigh
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damn
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my apologies.
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First I'll watch Ben Hur, then head out to the range and put 1/2 a case of .223 FMJ through the Mini-14...
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My respect for Charlton Heston stems from Planet of the Apes,what an immortal classic,remembering the first time I saw that film as a kid with my Dad and the silence that followed in the room when it ended is something that I will always treasure.Charlton Heston broke down the Sci-fi barriers with that one,respect............
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I'm so sorry that you lost your grandma. Grandmas are irreplacable. My best wishes to you and your family.
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Good article, with nice personal insight. RIP, Chuck.
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Terrible news about your Grandma's passing, too. Hang in there, man.
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If he ain't getting let in then theres gonna be some ass kicking. Sad news really. I'm no liberal and think the US has a major problems with gun control, however when that fat prick Moore turned up on that old man's door and treated him like a piece of shit I felt like picking up the nearest shotgun and blowing a whole through that cocksucker. Put it this way if Hesten ain't getting in Heaven none of us siners are either. And Moore can go to hell.
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im gonna shoot someone in mourning.
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In the Burton remake too
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A top of the range cinema legend. Sad news.
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only goes to demonstrate how spectacularly stupid a lot of TB's are...
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FUCK that emotive 'liberal' moron Michael Moore for grandstanding in humiliating Charlton Heston by trying to manipulate him on gun rights issue to push Moore's gun control view. At least SICK improved but I don't forget sour taste having to watch Moore push his gun control view under the guise of satire. Headgeek live in Texas state and he's proud to be a Texan, except for the nasty Bush dynasty. Republic of Texas! James Cameron should attend Heston's funeral -- he directed him in TRUE LIES in a cameo. Heston was great in TOUCH OF EVIL and BEN-HUR, the likes of both which will never be imitated and be successful in creative burst and epic feel without the intrusion of obv-fucking-iously fake CGI. RIP Heston, I hope you forgive Michael Moore for being an opinionated, egomaniacal blowhard.
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I can finally get that gun out of his cold, dead hands.
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It's hard to believe he's really dead, I'd always thought of the guy as immortal, I guess being such an icon gives him a larger than life bearing. May he rest in peace.
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He risked his career, big-time, to march with Dr. Martin Luther King at a time when it was not considered "cool" to do so.
Later in life, he risked his career to lead the NRA.
Old Chuck Heston just didn't like people being pushed around - either by racist morons or by people trying to take away the right to own a gun. Seems pretty consistent to me.
And lets not forget his classic comment when George Clooney made fun of his Alzheimer's Disease:
"I guess it just proves what they say: class sometimes skips a generation" (referencing George Clooney's lack of class compared to Rosemary Clooney's.)
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rest in shit Heston.
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don't even try to deny it. Nowhere else in the world do you hear stories about teachers bringing guns to school to protect themselves against students.
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i don't agree with the political stuff, but Mr. Heston fought for what he believed in, and atleast he was consistent in it and not doing it for money or any of that shit
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Apr 06, 2008 4:46:35 AM CDT
I never saw him play any one else just Chalton Heston Movie Star
by roborob
John Wayne was also like that he didn't play characters here he was a Star, Like Wayne he was also right wing and a gun nut but that does not distract from the fact the a Great Movie Star has passed away, My Sympathy for his Family and Harry I'm also Sad for your family as well.
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Not much to add to Harry's poignant obit, except to add my own personal take. Heston was one of the few actors that could basically riff on the same persona film after film and still be an icon. He's in the same category for me as The Duke, Bogart, and late period Nicholson and Pacino. Guys that the screen devours because the very force of their personalities is enough to make a character worth paying attention to. Seldom to actors of this calibur come along and Mr. Heston will be sorely missed. May he rest in peace, and may he be welcomed into whichever afterlife he chose. A true legend has fallen this day, folks, may we all remember him justly.
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One of the best medieval film ever.
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both misused by clueless, logomachical dudes trying to troll out a FUCKING OBITUARY. Shame.
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There are now so few of the truly great icons left now that when one of them leaves us it does feel like a sucker punch. Politics and his work with NRA aside, Heston WAS the movies. His presence just gripped you you like a vice and even in small cameo's like the one in Tomstone when he says 'If they want him, they'll have to get past us.' you knew the bad guys could have artillery and Heston would still tear them a new one. They just don't make 'em like that anymore.
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You're trash you know that. A mean-hearted, spiteful piece of trash. A man died. No matter his politics, you respect the dead. And who the heck are you to judge anybody? What glorious standard do you set? Heck, from what I've noticed your posts are primarily angry and mean-spirited. Show some class and get over your venomous righteousness.
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was Roz's (Cash)nude scene.watta ass. Great film that still outshines Will Smith's version.As I mentioned in the other thread, I loathed his politics and as time passed he beame more and more arrogant like most Conservatives.That being said, he was perhaps one of the first modern day SCIFI heroes in celluloid.Great actor R.I.P.
Oh yeah he would have made an interesting Nick Fury if he was in his 40's and how can you say fuck Sam Jackson for playing the part?(In Both upcoming Inronman and Hulk films respectivley.)Sam was a big fan of the Avengers comics so i'm sue he'll do Fury justice. -
Howard once mentioned that his Mother hailed a Cab, and as soon as the Taxi arrived, Chuck had jumped out of nowhere to get in the Cab, Mrs. Stern got into it with him and eventually won as she and the Taxi sped off leaving Chuck in the rain.(Litterly)
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For God's sake, let your grandmother retain some dignity by not broadcasting information about her on a movie website. Keep your private life PRIVATE please!
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I miss that flavor, but I REALLY miss the "Sour Cream & Onion" flavor from the 1970's. BRING IT BACK!!! DAMN YOU, DORITOES!!!
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I just hated his acting style. I was no fan of his politics but that doesn't matter as much as his talent and to be honest his success always puzzled me.
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I agree that sometimes personal affairs are shoehorned into informative pieces on AICN; however that one was somewhat relevant. It's not as if Capone's flat has been flooded again, or Mori's PS3 had a malfunction. We're talking mourning here. Two obits in the same day make Harry a little upset, one can understand that.
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First and foremost, sorry for your loss, Knowles. Grandmothers are kick-ass old ladies who buy you weird presents and bake things. Losing one makes the human race less awesome. Unless your grandmother was some kind of elderly pirate, orphanage-arsonist - in which case she got what she deserved. But I think the lady who spawned one of your parents must have been pretty okay. So, sorry for your loss. Chuck Heston had gone coo-coo for cocoa puffs in recent years but was an icon of cinema. May he part the Red Sea in peace. See you in Hell.
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... and you othersick fuckers like bacci trolling an obit. I hope some fuck shows up at your funeral and takes a steaming dump on your grave.
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was the chariot race, which took three months to film and killed one of the stuntmen.
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It has to be a stunt. No one can be that stupid.
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dumb shit like that only invalidates you further. if you really are serious, it seems you are the racist ... assuming white man = evil. sick fuck.
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Yeah, Planet, Soylent and Omega stand out for me but he was a very versatile actor with big brass balls under those pants.
He had what Eastwood had for screaming bloody murder at an opponent or cursing the day they were born. He was great! Let's just hope he left a training dvd or instruction manual, coz there's a lot of actors today that need it. -
A true legend of cinema and a man of his word. For the joy you gave me in film THANK YOU!!! For the talkbackers who show no respect DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!
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Apr 06, 2008 8:12:56 AM CDT
yeah, its kinda difficult to know how to feel about Heston
by rocklobster800
particualrly post-Columbine...I mean sure, the film was Moore kinda abusing Heston for the camera but a lot of what came out about him and NRA was true-and not something I can get behind. But still, while he wasnt a great "actor" he was indeed a screen icon of Old Hollywood, and will be forever ingrained in populr culture...so he does desrve some respect. But then again I knew the movies and not the man-so I'll pay heed for his flicks, but personally because Im a bit hazy on hat he was really like I cant really get into it :S
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He was an actor who played a few iconic roles. His actual talent for acting was barely above Shatner level. Why do we elevate Hollywood figures like this so unnecessarily? Oh right, because we're morons.
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It's FASCIST. And go read "Liberal Fascism . . . " by Jonah Goldberg. You might learn the proper spelling and the proper usage of the word.
Rest in Peace Mr. Heston, and my thoughts with the family. Being one who also lost a family member to Alzheimer's, I'm sure they've been mourning for quite some time already. -
and I'm sure it was terrible for him living with Alzheimer's all this time, so maybe he's in a better place now. But I'm sad all the same.
He wasn't a movie star. He was THE movie star. There are too many movies for me to go into, but one I thoroughly enjoyed that wasn't his normal type of movie is THE PIGEON THAT TOOK ROME. Check it out if you get the chance. Otherwise I loved especially TOUCH OF EVIL, THE OMEGA MAN, and SOYLENT GREEN.
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First and foremost my condolences to Harry's grandmother. Sorry to hear about that. My best to you and your family. I may not agree with Heston's politics about gun control or other areas. That is how politics go. That is a no brainer. He did do the one thing for me that hardly any other actor or actress does anymore. He entertained me. For that I am thankful. That is a rare quality that I just don't see from people in Hollywood. I wish his family and friends well during this time. Take care Mr. Heston. You will be missed.
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You are such a brainwashed leftist, you find the need to kick the guy after he's suffered from Alzheimer's and died. Whitewash it with all the icon talk you want, but there was no need to mention Moore's propaganda. It had nothing to do with Heston, everything to do with that paranoid no-talent.This is the equivalent of starting a Harry Knowles obit with"When that locomotive of movie posters steamrolled Harry, many gasped, but just as many laughed". In other words, it was eventful but not defining and would be totally unfair to what else you've done to make it an opening point of focus. Contemptible.
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I know this is a Charlton Heston talkback, but I enjoyed the Michael Moore barb and feel the need to vent. Hey Michael Moore, way to be such an arrogant obnoxious prick so as to contribute to John Kerry's 2004 loss. You really succeeded in riling up conservatives and getting them out to vote with your fucking smarmy documentaries and antics. Guess what, you fat fuck, YOU'RE NOT THAT FUCKING SMART!! Maybe you have to drop the sanctimonious liberal act and actually try to, you know, convince people of something. I hate documentary directors that act as though their content is so self-evident that they can just be flippant about the presentation. Fuck Michael Moore, and RIP Charlton Heston.
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I didn't agree with all his political views, but as I try to point out to people who hate on the Dixie Chicks or Clooney, you have to be able to separate the artistic work from the personal politics. He was a damned fine actor and a charismatic figure. And even when he chose cheeseball roles, he gave em his all.
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As for the heston/moore flap, Heston was a big boy and could handle himself. Moore is an editorialist, not an impartial documentarian, and he admits that, and you know that going in to one of his movies. Get over your self-righteous self.
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by Queefer Bukkake Apr 6th, 2008
01:32:53 AM
I just won the Dead Celebrity lottery at work! I picked Charlton Heston as the next celeb to die and he just did it! Thank you, Charles! Thank you for dying so that I can win 55 dollars! It is truly a great day."
Queefer Bukkake, you are one sick son-of-a-bitch and personally, at this point, I hope someone runs over you with a freakin' bus, you cold-blooded shitbag. Did it EVER occur to you to have an inkling of respect for folk in their passing? Guess not. Tell me where you live so I can come and piss on your corpse.
BTW, Harry, sorry to hear about your Grandmother.
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I sure hate the NRA crap too, and can't find much reason "accept" that that's how he chose to spend the last part of his life...but what nobody remembers is that he was a BIG supporter of civil rights back in the sixties. Regardless of the other things he decided to support later, you've got to give him credit for that.
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I disagree with those that are bashing Michael Moore and Bowling for Columbine. I definitely do not agree with some of Moore's spin, and I definitely think he is biased (F 9/11 anyone). I still enjoy his films.
But get over the Bowling for Columbine interview. He exploited him, but rightfully so. Heston was the spokesperson. He represented them. Therefore, catching their spokesperson off guard and showing how at that time he felt was a brilliant way to prove his point. If you are a public figure, you are fair game and need to be ready for it regardless of your age or senility. -
I get what your saying there (Harry has a habit of writing pretty inappropriate things in obits, usually showing off how he knew the very famous deceased which pisses people off) but in all fairness, when I hear "Heston" I immediatly think Moore-NRA, and therefore I think Harry had cause to mention Columbine. I think when they guy has become so famous in contemporary culture for being a gun nut (and for many younger people that is the IMMEDIATE vision of him, rather than Moses or Taylor)writing an obitthat neglects tom mention it would be accused of wsashing over pretty major details. Plus if he hadnt mentioned it it would be all over the talk backs any way
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It's weird because this past week I was reading a newspaper section about his current health dealing with alzheimer's and not wishing to extend his life.
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We all know about the Moore and the Heston thing. My question is: Did Heston ever come out and put his own spin on things or did he just accept the interview as another part of life?
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What an outstanding movie. And what an outstanding career. I'll never, ever agree with the politics hid rigorously supported, but what a career. RIP Mr. Heston.
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Heston might have been a public figure, and he might have been fair game...but he was also gracious enough to let Moore into his private home under false pretenses. It was there that Moore did best what Moore does best - lie and manipulate and mock in front of his camera to elicit some terrible response to prove whatever broken set of logic is in his head at the tiem, to himself.
I had liked Michael Moore up until Bowling, but I don't think it takes a genius to figure out what happened with him and Heston. He lied and was dishonest to the man and frankly, I'm glad Heston had the balls to just walk away. Not to veer too far off mark, but next time a little kid finds a loaded gun under a bed, why not avoid the evil corporations that employ his mother and the system that allows proper handgun usage for its members, and seek out the turd who (I dunno), kept a loaded gun under the bed where kids were present. Call me crazy.
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There has to be someone out there who has a I met Chuck Heston story. Come on. Let's hear it.
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Typical www.aint-it-liberal-propaganda.com .
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Seriously, the man shows up in towns after a school shooting saying gun control is for wussies and people think this is a loss?I'm thinking "Finally, the old fart is gone..!"After you watch Michael Moore's film when he goes up and interviews him, the old fart is happy, he respond to questions and then Morre asks him the question about why show your face while people just went thru an horrible tragedy saying guns are good and the old fart explodes and kicks him out.I'm just saying that the world is a better place with one less maniac out there saying "Guns don't kill people, people kill people!", sorry but if the nutheads didn't have easy access to the guns maybe half the people who died because of them would still be here today, children, wife, husbands, fathers, mothers.Too bad Heston didn't become a victim of one of these crazy nutheads, would've been funny to see the news "Heston gets shot at anti-gun control rally!"..Won't be missed by the thousands out there who lost their children to some maniac with a gun. Try to get a tear from families who saw his old dirty millionaire NRA rich face in their town after school shootings... The old man was not human, he was a lump of turd...oh and ps. He was an horrible actor... Had the range of a banana peel. Paris Hilton did better in the house of wax...
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I agree that Moore did cross the line and they way superduper3000 puts it I kind of see the shittyness. I will admit that part of me liked seeing a dig at the NRA, which I think lost its way a long time ago.
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it's unamerican of me to say this but I will anyway. People with high profiles, especially movie actors, have a responsibility to lead a life that is only half theirs. The other half belongs to the public that has made their checkbooks. It's just how it is. That said, all I can think of his how he ruthlessly exploited it to promote the NRA in a country that statistically had more gun deaths per year than- well we all saw Bowling for Columbine, I won't rehash that. I'm just saying- what a lame ass-face he was for promoting such a completely ridiculous cause. The unamerican part comes in when I just assume that my values are better than his... but even so. Ass-face. Why couldn't he have just hawked Salad Dressing and made more movies like Newman?
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Moore for showing the real colors of this old fart, or when Heston showed his face in Columbine after the shooting?Moore had every right to do what he did, it was nothing compared to what Heston did. You lose a child by some redneck's son with a gun, then you get this old man telling you guns are just fine? Yeah right, Moore was the biggest of the a$$holes?? No way! He had every right to try to speek to him, the same way Heston had the balls to show his ugly face at Columbine!Gun Control will not solve everything, but it will make sure that the violence will go down. If you decrease the death by shooting by 20% then it's worth it.And as far as his acting skills went, blah. I saw 2 characters he played, and they showed up in 100 movies, good thing for him there were less actors around in those days, 'cause he would've had 4 films to his credit...Sorry if you are going to be pissed at me for saying this, but sadly they're more people dead today because he used his weight and popularity to stop control on firearms.
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Before then he was a decent guy. Oh, and is anyone gonna prize that rifle from his hands now that they truly are cold and dead?
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last night - what a weird coincidence. Heston was truly a star. They really don't make 'em like that anymore.
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Let's just remember the man's iconic acting career, shall we?
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After insisting on taking the rifle:
Taylor: You lead me around on a leash!
Cornelius: That's different . . . we thought you were inferior.
Taylor: Know you know better.
I agree with the poster who said that a lot of the younger folks only "know" Heston from his later years, probably Bowling for Columbine. It is really sad to see people unaware of the drive of such a man to support ALL our rights. He lived his life as a free man and wished all to do the same. This is even evident in his career.
There is definitely a generational divide on this site. I think it is a sign of immaturity to delve into politics and not take the full measure of a man. Like Harry said himself, a world where man are controlled by monkeys is the daily existence for most.
From epic pieces to allegorical dystopian sci-fi (the best sci-fi), Heston was able to transcend generations. There are those of us that could just as easily watch POTA with our parents and then watch El Cid or The Ten Commandments the next week. The guy was a legend. There are no actors today that could make the crossover as he did. Rest in peace. -
Apr 06, 2008 10:55:53 AM CDT
So my family was waiting in line at the Washington Monument...
by billyeveryteen
It was a long line, and every 10 minutes or so a large chunk of us would enter. Yet it never seemed to empty. So I cried loudly "It's made of PEOPLE!!"My Dad nearly wet himself, laughing.
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...showed a side i didnt think he had.For such a serious actor it was great to see him take the piss out of his own acting style.R.I.P.
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Right? Politics aside..
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Loved the earlier SNL appearance, with him waking up to the whole Ape audience. Classic.
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He said we can only take his rifle away if we pry it from his cold, dead fingers, so now we can! What's the NRA gonna do now? Who will they turn to? Well, there is always Dick Cheney... but the lawyers just don't feel safe around him...
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I may have mentioned this previously, but Heston's passing reminds me of the sorry state of our leading men today in the States. Our best leading men in Hllywood today (Denzel Washington aside) are all from the rest of the English-speaking world. We have to import them like we import everything else in this country. We cannot even produce "Men" anymore!
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is the biggest B movie ever made and Chuck made it great.
Yes it does make me misty Mr. Taylor.
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Great post. There should be more laws passed for gun control. Look at other countries that have them. Look at their statistics. I wish our govt. would get off their lazy asses and do something. Same goes for the parents.Also, find some these posts funny about criticizing Heston's role in the NRA. He hasn't been NRA president for five years. How about ragging on the person in charge now. Easy to rag on an individual when they aren't around.
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A legend. Even if I didn't agree with his views. Last time I saw him was in Bowling for Columbine. Michael Moore, that wasn't cool.
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wonder if there was any prying from his cold dead hands involved. Sorry, couldn't resist. A beloved icon can still be an asshole. As was his right to be. I don't know if there was an constitutional amendment supporting it or anything, but he still had a right to be an asshole. As does Michael Moore, apparently. Here's to ya, anyway, Chuck!
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you had to post all that noble sentiment while I was writing my post. Trying to make me look bad or something? Damn, even quoting Midsummer Night's Dream. Ok, I take it all back. You can't both quote Midsummer Night's Dream AND be an asshole. It's statistically impossible. Heston is certainly one of a kind, if not the last of his kind.
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I really should get some sleep.
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his portrayal of van gogh in "lust for life" was fantastic. he didn't even need makeup to do it -- he looked EXACTLY like him. sure, the movie is factually all over the place, but it was as factual as they knew at the time. with him as van gogh and anthony quinn as gauguin... awesome chemistry.
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Regardless of what you think of his political views you cannot take away the magic this guy brought to the screen. He was a giant. I've personally never seen a bad movie that he's been in and yes that includes Tim Burton's Ape remake because I am on of those who loved it.
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...a long time ago. Heston was a Democrat until sometime around the Carter administration. My point is, even if you're a liberal who can't separate the actor's politics from his performances, the Heston you see in leading-man roles probably agreed with your liberal views at the time he made those movies. Now go watch them and see a great performer do his thing.
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Look, can anyone deny that it was Heston that brought science fiction back into adult vogue? The chances he took with that trilogy of roles has touched all good sci-fi since -- not including space operas like SW, of course. Just look at the popularity of BSG today -- its portrayal of a dark existence is what compels the fans. Logan's Run, Bladerunner, a series of films about nuclear apocalypse: all these owe something to Heston willing to take a chance, and then giving it 100% of his effort. Even SW ep.1, 2, and 3 had to end on a down note.
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...what can I say... loved his performances...
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"There's no phone ringing!!!"
Seriously, I do wish that Will Smith had an early breakdown moment summed up with one line like that in I AM LEGEND. I liked that film, but I never felt that Neville was as "cracked" as he should be. Repeating the lines to Shrek -- I am sorry, that does not cut it. Sometimes you have to "overact". A half-crazy person would probably be said to be "overacting". I think there is a difference between overacting and hammy. -
and I will ALWAYS miss him.
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another reason I believe in cloning.
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Personally, I'm not crazy about guns, either, and I'm a conservative. That said, any liberal that ever criticized or loathed Heston for being head of the NRA but praised and mourned Hunter S. Thompson, who was also a gun enthusiast (based on what people on THIS BOARD told me when he shot himself), truly epitomize the sort of desperation and disconnected mania that seems to have overtaken the left-wing of the political system lately. Heston, as both an actor and a human being, accomplished more in his lifetime than most of us could hope to accomplish in three lifetimes, whether we're regualar nobodies or already in the public eye somehow. That anyone would slander Heston for his support and administration of the National Rifle Association and then even associate with the same crowd that never wavered in their support and admiration of people like the late Hunter S. Thompson truly shows that either the left isn't nearly as intelligent or "enlightened" as it claims or, worse, that it's squandering that intelligence on figuring out the most witty ways of antagonizing, villifying and slandering people that did nothing but disagree with them - and this from the party of "tolerance." Mot of the right-wing rhetoric you call "hatred" is mild by comparison to the sort of vulgar vitriole the left uses to put down conservatives - and Michael Moore, in particular, is probably why Bush won again in 2004, meaning his absence probably gave Democrats a chance in 2006. I mean, who wants to vote for a candidate whose party's loudest mouthpiece is the self-proclaimed leader of the "slacker uprising?" Taken literally, it just means the party represents only slackers. Anyway, I guess you guys think that if you couch it in sarcasm and some warped definition of humor, nobody is going to identify it as hatred or intolerance. Think again. As for gun control, it's indicative of the pandemic of thinking that says if society has a problem, we need more legislation or more money to solve it. This site reports on science fiction movies, right? If good sci-fi, in any medium, has taught us anything, it's that no matter how "advanced" or "enlightened" humanity thinks it is, some will always find ways to do evil - to harm or kill one another. Unless you want to turn this country into the Soviet Union or some backwater Communist country in Asia, things like giving more gun control to the government isn't the answer, if there even is an answer. If you really knew anything substantial of any relevance to this, you'd know first and foremost that the biggest reason more gun control isn't a solution is that murder and violence on any scale has been around and in practice much longer than guns and will be so well after you people have your way - IF you do. R.I.P., Charlton Heston.
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Sure... Laws, yep, but then you have a asswat like him turning the corner and going for the second amendment about the right to own a gun, when this amendment was written in the days where people came over to your lands and killed everyone to get your piece of land. Today I don't see anyone coming over and killing the family because they want the house. But we do see idiots with legal guns walking around school and shooting up people, or right now in LA getting shot at because some turd wants his right of passage in some dumbass gang. Heston would've been the first to scream out loud that Guns don't kill people, yet if you take guns away and make it sure that the gun industry would now be accountable for any unmarked guns and the black market distribution (that we all know is part of the plan to sell more guns) then we would see some change, like a drop in the numbers.Would it go away? No, but it would help! And Heston was one the the first in line when they wanted to pass this kind of law and yelled out "Right to bear arms!"He's dead.. good... One less idiot on earth, and the fact that people say "oh he's in heaven!" well that would be something! A guy who didn't care about human life for the sake of a mighty dollar sign from the NRA! I would be suprised! Hope he rots in hell!. Whether I'm an ass or not is ok, why? 'cause at least I don't admire some shithead who showed his face in many cities preaching the right to have a gun in the house. When they were still mourning dead kids. Hope you don't have kids TomBodet, and if you do hope for dear life that one of these little idiots don't come around a corner to face your kids, because even if you are (as you so rednecky way did say) an asshat, I still don't believe your kids should pay for some old degenarate who preached for people to have guns in their house so they could one day lose it and go shooting everyone.As far as the Luke Perry's of this world, I must agree he only had one character ability and was a shitty one at that, but doesn't take away that Heston made his reputation when being an actor had nothing to do with acting... He proved it over and over. Only needed contacts those days. Ability to play two characters doesn't make him a good actor. Hell, today he would be known as a male counter part to Paris Hilton... SO there you go, from an asshat to another...
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Apr 06, 2008 1:59:34 PM CDT
get your stinking paws off me you damned, dirty reaper
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That's how I figure it went down. Also, let's not forget Heston blew up the entire planet in arguably the darkest film ending ever.
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rot in hell you piece of shit, I hope the devil is cornholing your fetid rotting corpse daily.
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... his cameo in Wayne's World 2 made me seek out more of his films. They bring him in as a total joke, but then something happens in the scene: HE'S AMAZING. Next film I saw was El Cid . . . no lie.
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I thought I'd be the first to mention it, but I gues Toulon above me beat me to it. Ah well. I agree. He completely steals his scene and is the most memorable thing about a forgettable, production line sequel. "We need a better actor!" Notwithstanding politics et al, I believe he was a good man and a great actor. Missed. Fin.
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...and even better activist! Too bad he was despised in Hollywood for campaigning AGAINST segregation in the 1950s, AGAINST Time-Warner and Ice T's "cop killing" rap songs in the 1990s and FOR Republicans since the 1980s. You will be missed by millions, Mr. Heston!
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And his leftist propaganda smells even worse. How the Hell could you compare Heston with Michael Moore, the liberals' resident pompous fatass? Jeez...
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...Charlton Heston? I can't seem to remember, but that was the first Heston film (other than The Ten Commandments) that I can remember. It was actually pretty funny. If I remember correctly, it was a film starring the guy who played Crocodile Dundee. I guess I have something to rent tonight...
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Great comparison between Heston and HST. If anything,HST was MORE of a gun nut than Heston,yet liberals loved him(I'm fairly sure Heston never fired his rifle at his assistant while hopped up on PCP and Peyote). I dont belong to the NRA and I dont own any guns...yet. But I do live in fear of my govt. and feel that one day I may have to take up arms to defend myself and my loved ones. I'm glad that,for now,I still have the right to arm myself.
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Let me commend you on the accuracy of your name.
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POTA, Omega Man, Soylent Green. They were the best. He was really bigger than life. Moses, Ben-Hur, El Cid. Nobody else could have played those roles. I'm for gun control but I don't hold his politics against him. I mean he must have had an arsenal in his home but you never heard about him shooting anybody so I guess in his case the 2nd Amendment works. Anyway RIP Chuck.
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That Paul Hogan movie is called "Almost and Angel"... I think.
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I found this hilarious when mentioned in the documentary "The Celluloid Closet". Gore Vidal was hired by director William Wyler to do rewrites on ``Ben-Hur.'' One of the film's problems was that there was no plausible explanation for the hatred between the characters played by Charlton Heston and Stephen Boyd. Vidal's suggestion: They were lovers when they were teenagers, but now Ben-Hur (Heston) denies that time, and Boyd is resentful. Wyler agreed that would provide the motivation for a key scene, but decided to tell only Boyd, not Heston, who ``wouldn't be able to handle it.'' You can see the doc's clip here - http://video.aol.com/video-detail/the-celluloid-closet-1995-extrait-ben-hur/2023819048 (but there's French commentary which drowns out some of Vidal's comments. The looks Boyd gives Heston like he was a former lover are hilarious (around 2:30 of the clip).
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When I was 7 years-old, we lived in the ghetto. Our neighbor came home to find his teenage daughter being violently raped by a would-be burglar. My neighbor used his gun and blew the 38 year-old burglar/rapists brains out. Our neighbor was arrested and released because he had a gun permit (and because of the "castle law" at the time). Ironically, he was later sued by the rapist's family. The NRA paid for his defense. He was found to have acted according to the law. Shortly after that, my mom purchased a gun. She also purchased locks all over our house (windows and doors). She taught us that a gun WILL kill, so we should NEVER touch it. She said she would only use it to protect us from wicked men. Thankfully, although our house was burglarized several times, my mom never had to use it. She simply let people know(including two instances in which people tried to break in at night) that she had a gun and knew how to use it. I'm going to send a rose to Charlton Heston. He stood up for African Americans in Hollywood at a time when most were depicted as criminals. He stood up against rap music that glorified cop killing. And he stood up for his conscience when most of Hollywood had sold out to the far left. He will be missed.
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Thanks! That was it! It was so funny to see Paul Hogan die and wake up in Heaven. God looked just like Charlton Heston. Hogan said, "Lord, you look just like Charlton Heston." Heston replied, "Yeah, I get that a lot."
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is having a hey day with this one. It's amazing the slop people are throwing around about Mr. Heston. It's a shame. I love Heston and his movies, and I'll miss him. Thanks for all the good times and good films.
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Apr 06, 2008 3:53:42 PM CDT
the reason there are so many gun crimes in america...
by jimmyjoe redsky
is because the nra and lobbyists for gun manufacturers have seen to it that laws have been put in place that prohibit the tracing of guns used in crimes - this is too protect the sellers (both the small gun shop owners and the big manufacturers) from lawsuits - that simple - the makers sell their product too the dealers who in turn play fast and loose with the purchase laws - there are more straw purchases than anyone wants to believe - once the gun is sold its no longer the sellers responsibility - thats how a large % of dealers see it - but gun rights advocates will tell you that most guns used in crimes are stolen - from where? - many are in fact stolen, but most are bought legally then resold illegally - a few years back cops in some cities were using new (for the time) software that could make tracing the origins of a gun much simpler - provided they were traceable - had all the #s still embossed - lobbyists for the nra and the big gun makers (who are global) saw to it that this type of software and its use were deemed illegal and an infringement on the rights of the gun sellers (big and small) - they couldnt be held responsible for how the product was used (even if they didnt sell the product according to all of the proper purchase laws) - what does all this mean? - that the makers of guns know that a percentage of their product is being used illegally but their profit margins are more important to them - in other words, if law enforcement really cracks down on gun crimes (guns used for crimes) it will effect the sales of fire arms
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i loved heston too - one of my favorite actors - had a big impact on me growing up
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Glad he's dead. Terrible actor and a true piece of shit with his NRA terror regime. Sorry, but he is and was a piece of shit. Rot in Hell you racist bastard.
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I guess you think Orlando Bloom is the pinnacle of acting to which Charlton Heston didn't match up?
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talking shit about a man dieing are a bunch of useless pussies so afraid of their own womanhood they're full of self-loathing and hate. You pole smoking wastes of humanity must have a lot of fun scraping the filth you try to call life from the bottom of the gene pool because your shitty useless mouths show your wretched souls to be those of a bunch of old cunts. In closing fuck you very much for reading and RIP Mr. Heston.
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and right on cue this shit for brains bucket of monkey spunk shows up to prove my point. Oh how your father (that is if you know who he is) must weep when he sees the dripping twat his loins sprung forth. Fuck you up your ass you douche bag tool of epic proportions.
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I agree with whoever said "Good riddance to bad rubbish." And he was a mediocre, ham-fisted actor to boot.
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I just don't understand the lack of respect for one of the best and biggest actors of all time on this board. I am sure that wherever he is, Heston does not care, but it is certainly scary to me to realize that because one might disagree with the politics of an actor, that they would revel in his or her demise. The fact of the matter is that (American) actors are getting worse, and in fact the best years are obviously already behind us. Those folks on this board in the entertainment industry may beg to differ, but I cannot shake the feeling that, besides the pure popcorn, comic book films, which certainly have their place, people's tastes have diverged so much that we will never again see hugely popular actors and, yes, movie stars that crossover generations.
When you are sitting in your room, alone or with the rest of your celibate crew, watching the next big "political" film, and then can't relate your orgasmic experience to your parents or to children -- well, that is the end of cinema. Particularly at $10+ a ticket. Actually, it is the death of mass politics as well.
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Sad day. A comforting presence that has been with me all my life is now gone. No one played larger than life better than this guy. He almost seems like proto-Ford to me now. And like Harrison, his acting ability was taken for granted even though, with both, there was at least one example of them stepping outside there own "performance comfort zone" to play characters you've never really seen them play. With Ford, it was The Mosquito Cost and with Heston it was MOTHERLOAD. A really underrated, atmospheric film where Chuck plays a truly creepy, insane, gold-hunting Scotsman. He scared the shit out of me when I saw it as a kid. I would highly recommend it. It's worth it just to see Heston as the bad guy for once. And Harry, sorry to hear about your Grandmother and all the other setbacks you've had lately. Keep your chin up, brother. Things always look the darkest right before the sun starts to shine through.
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Glad he's dead, REALLY SOOO glad he's dead. Hope he died a dribbling cabbage, that needed his arse wiping for him. Hope he couldn't even recognise his beloved wife. Rot in hell charlton, rot in fiery hell. Dribble dribble
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Ignore his politics, because they have nothing to do with his work and quality.
When I think of Heston, it'll be him in chains rowing a Roman galley or falling to his knees on a beach. He played larger-than-life roles and did it so convincingly that I can't ever imagine him in say, The Apartment or Some Like It Hot.
And his role in True Lies was hilarious and perfect. It's like he's in another movie.
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My introduction to Charlton Heston was "Planet of the Apes" so anytime I saw him in anything that didn't stand up to the iconography of that film, I was disappointed. As many classics as bombs, he was someone you could count on to add grace and depth to a role.
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I believe Mike Myers may have summed up the greatness that is Charlton Heston with that scene where Wayne is at a gas station asking for directions and this elderly gentleman starts to tell a story. He stops the scene and asks for a better actor and in walks Heston adding gravitas to the role. That speaks volumes about the man and his ability to make you believe in his characters.
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Jesus Christ people...what did Heston ever do to you? Yeah,he was the president of and main supporter of the NRA. So? The NRA never killed anybody. Ever hear of a little thing called personal responsibility? They just outlawed all swords in the UK this week because some dumb fucks were running around attacking people with them. Whats next? Steak knives? Shovels? Anything with a point on the end of it? As for hating on Heston because he was a republican/conservative...again,so? Half the damn country is made up of Jesus-fearing republicans. Do you hate them enough to piss on their graves just because they have a different p.o.v. than you? If so then there really is no hope for this country and we'll all need to be armed to protect ourselves from the insanity thats sure to come....
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Harry, this is simply the finest piece of writing you've ever done. It's inspiring and literary.
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Where is the respect for this man's work? Do you simply such the leftist cum from the cocks of every liberal activist penis? Can't you people think for yourselves? The NRA isn't against regulation; they are opposed to liberals pissing on the 2nd Amendment guarentee of gun ownership. If you want to see my 2nd Amendment right, simply break into my home at night and try to harm my wife. You won't have time to "say hello to my little friend" as your brains will be suddenly scattered all over the wall. RIP, Mr. Heston. Don't worry about Nancy Pelosi and her cocksucking liberal croonies. They will be going to that big abortion mill/Gay Marriage/high tax heaven of fire.
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Row well and live (on in our hearts) 41!
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Apr 06, 2008 6:13:50 PM CDT
i bet all the kids here that hate Heston also hate...
by jimmyjoe redsky
... Brando - because they only know of these actors and their contemporaries for their later years - long after they had shaped film acting as we now know it - my niece took a film appreciation class in college and told me that more than half the students in it only knew of Brando for being "that fat guy from the Godfather that everyone thinks is such a good actor" - and only knew of Heston as the "Moses guy that loves guns" - kids, no respect - i didnt agree with Hestons politics but he was one of the best film actors ever - i think the nra exploited him - that position was sort of an acting gig for him - he knew it - unfortunately his ego really ate up all the statesman status the nra bestowed on him - too bad hes remembered by so many more for his nra connection and not his acting career - Picasso was a great artist too - but he was also a self absorbed misogynist bastard - that doesnt diminish the greatness of his art
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im a "liberal" - and a big Heston fan - not all of us are sheep
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ill watch "the omega man" over "i am legend" any day - Heston as Neville was perfect casting - Taylor (from "apes") and Neville (from "omega man") are 2 of the best scifi film characters ever - all thanks to Heston
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I totally understand if you dont share Hestons views on guns or religion. A lot of people dont. Thats cool....but folks are coming out of the woodwork and spewing such hatred towards a dead ACTOR that you would think Heston had caused the holocaust,raped their grandmothers,and shotgunned the kneecaps off their pet cats. I'm pretty sure Hitler didnt even gat raked over the coals this bad.....
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My wife and I are on completely opposite sides of the ole' American political fence and yet we've managed to stay happily married for many, many years. My children are much the same way, too; one is conservative, one liberal and one staunchly opposed to politics of any kind. Were we as intolerant as the dissapointing bunch of immature brats that are posting on this site...well, I seriously doubt we would get through even one conversaion. You boys and girls, men and women, need to realize that we are all different, that we all have opposing points of view and not every little petty disagreement is as big as you make it. Ooohh--he was a conservative and president of the NRA! Gadzooks, what a kook! I would suggest to you, kook or no, that Heston was still far, far less of a kook than 90% of Hollywood and was in fact one of the better types of human beings on this planet. A poetic soul who is obviously fond of humanity's ideals and curageous enough to be honest about his beliefs isn't very common, folks, and when you combine those beliefs, those ideals, with his charisma and obvious strength of passion and intelligence, you have a very rare man indeed. Did he have his faults? Of course he did--he's a man, after all. But faults or no, and I happen to find no fault with his NRA positions, but I'm sure he had other private faults, he was a good and decent man. A real star has passed, people. A very good, positive star, too, and that is something rare in this world. Show some respect.
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this morning on fox news channel they were announcing hestons death and showing a clip of james franciscus in beneath the planet of the apes. d'oh!
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Since I'm a conservative, I guess I'm unable to appreciate great politicians, actors, singers, and artists like FDR, Catherine Hepburn, Freddy Mercury, or Monet, 'cause, you know, they did stuff I didn't like. Why, that Catherine Hepburn lady was a homewrecker, wasn't she? She trounced around with a married man for years, didn't she? She must be absolutely dispicable! FDR? New Deal, my ass. How many ways can you spell socialism? Horrible, horrible leader. Oh, and Freddy Mercury? Why, he was one of them queers! How on earth can I, a Christian man, listen to Freddy Mercury?? Thats how some of you people are sounding today: narrow minded and small. I honestly feel sorry for you, though. In your ignorance and the hatred born from such irrationality you will never appreciate the greatness of those around you because you can never truly appreciate variety.
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A lot more class than most modern actors have.
As far as politics go, I'll leave it at this: as a mostly-liberal, I'm on the fence with gun control, and it's sad the NRA has lost that voice of class and is now left with that incredible fuckwit, Ted Nugent. There's a man who's obit I'll savage mercilessly. Hest, though, has earned his respect. -
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People need to be saving up their poisonous bile for the Valkyrie release. I just saw the trailer, and damn does that look like festering crap.
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Of course, those deaths couldn't possibly have anything to do with the increased gang activity.
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To those accusing the guy of possessing no range--rubbish, I say. Oh sure, he wasn't a character actor, but he was a great, great leading man, more akin to Bogart and Gable than to someone like Depp or Crowe. Of course he was ham-fisted, just as many of the older greats were, such as Stewart, Wayne, or Grant. He had an excellent repetoire of affectations, mannerisms, phisicalities that lent him a bold, larger-than-life presence that was ideal for the burgeoning widescreen, cenemascope features of the period. Overrated? More like UNDERRATED, if you ask me.
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Man, I really enjoyed his work.
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I wish you ill.
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Oh wait - that was someone else. Oh well. And as for the crack above about Brando being overrated, can't both of them be great ? The guy who played Don Corleone can never be "overrated".
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I call his guns. I figure his hands are pretty cold by now.
However, I will state for the record, as a huge liberal gun owning meat-eating, member of the NRA, Heston was a bad-ass and the epitome of a good man. The guy marched with Martin Luther King, and kept the government away from regulating firearms to the point of tyranny. Excellent man, great life, and I'll say that his best pic for me was Ben Hur. He was a master of the acting craft, and the reason I didn't go into the field. I mean, when that's what you're competing against and living up to, you've either got the mad skills or you don't...and Mr. Heston is a legend. Where's our Moses now? -
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That Will Penny was his favorite role. I was made to watch 'The Agony and the Ecstasy' in World History class in high-school. It was awesome.
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Amazing body of work - bottom line. The man marched w/ MLK before it was fashionable for celebs to do so. How cool is that? I loved this guy. He said what meant and he meant what he said. He didn’t have the anonymous convenience of a talkback on the internet to hide behind; no he stood for something right out there in the open. That’s cool. My prayers and thoughts are with his family and friends at this time. Thanks again Mr. Heston, you’ll be missed.
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I feel it describes so many things. A mars bar, a dump, the latest uwe boll movie. I could go on, but I really fell I want people to fill in the blanks.
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God bless Harry's grandmother and Charlston Heston. May they both rest in peace.
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Apr 06, 2008 9:59:28 PM CDT
Crucifer of Blood is probably the worst movie I've ever seen,
by smerdyakov
I say ding dong. This man has the blood of thousands of shooting victims on his hands.
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You also: I wish you ill.
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was evinced in his SNL gig; even spoofed THE TEN COMMANDMENTS (remember the good 'ole days when SNL was more poignant than pigshit?). jden and other detractors, wishing Mr. Heston a slow death, are the chocolate-eating, soda-consuming, Snicker-addicted, anti-exercise morons who think their opinions have some relevance. To be succinct, their isolated existence is a slow death, far worse than whatever Mr. Heston experienced. Enjoy the afterlife, Mr. Heston--and thank you for a memorable legacy (THE NAKED JUNGLE, THE BIG COUNTRY, WILL PENNY, SOYLENT GREEN, etc.--and, of course, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS).
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Mr Sinister, you wrote (quote): "Heston may have never directly killed someone, but he was at the helm of an organization that tapped into suburban white fears and effectively tied the hands of local governments to deal with gun crimes. That's why the city I live in (Boston) had more handgun murders per year than the entire U.K. Most of those killed are under 25 years old. So fuck Charlton Heston, and fuck the NRA."So let me get this straight. You live in Liberal Heaven -- literally fucking Massachusetts and good ol' Beantown, home turf to the Kennedys as well as home to an overwhelming host of politically Liberal ideas and agendas that the public there always says it WANTS -- which in turn means the populace there (in general) is DEFINITELY Liberal. Hell, they'd have to be Leftists to keep electing a drunken Teddy boy back into office again and again. So, with all that said, shouldn't that mean that you guys would have the LOWEST gun crime? After all, with so many anti-gun Liberals running around it would be easy for the towns and villages...even the city itself, through it's council...to pass some of the toughest gun laws on the record.So basically you live in Liberal Central...since you have the highest level of shootings, that means you have Liberals shooting Liberals...yet in your warped brain, it's all Right wing Charleton Heston's fault.Good clear thinking there, man! (And yes, insert mocking eye roll here...)
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As others have noted, he was actually UNDERRATED for what he did given the truly iconic stature he had achieved both on and off screen -- something that today's emo pretty boy types (who came right off the CW and that we too often get stuck with at the movies these days) will ever manage to do.Heston was a legend, an actual screen PRESENCE, the likes of which we'll rarely ever see again just because of the shitty stars we get these days, as well as the shitty films served up. And his body of work speaks for itself as well as his personal achievements and stances in life. RIP, Mr. Heston. What you gave to the world will continue to stand the test of time for having been some of the greatest shows ever on Earth.
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'Earthquake' was a Universal Studios production and Allen (often miscredited with this film) was a producer at Twentieth Century Fox. (at least until 'The Towering Inferno' was released - which btw, Heston is not in) Heston plays a construction engineer not an architect in 'Earthquake'. (perhaps Harry was thinking of Paul Newman's architect in 'The Towering Inferno'.) Very nice obit though -
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RIP Chuck.
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rest in peace, and get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape!
sad day. very sad day.
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What a powerful mess of a movie.
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” A ludicrous invention. If you can’t put it on a weapon without taking the bullets out, why put it on?” A five-day waiting period? “It’s hard for me to accept that a guy says, ‘I’m going to kill that s.o.b., but, darn, I have this five-day waiting period.’ He probably still wants to kill him after five days.” Ban Saturday-night specials? “The black and Hispanic women who clean office buildings until 3 a.m. and then walk home – of course, they want a handgun in their purse.” Limit purchases to one gun a month? “It’s the camel’s nose in the tent. Look at Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Idi Amin – every one of these monsters, on seizing power, their first act was to confiscate all firearms in private hands. …” ########################################### “Mainstream America is counting on you to draw your sword and fight for them. These people have precious little time and resources to battle misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for women to hate men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other �” WHAT I GET FROM THAT : draw your “sword” (gun) and fight (shoot) homosexuals, militant blacks, the fringe and feminists…… : no trigger locks, waiting period or purchase limit needed. FYI he wasn’t really Moses and from the 126 roles he accepted 99% are forgettable. He wasn’t great. The publicity is great. Worship capitalist media flow and ignore the person. I tried to view the Omega Man the other day…..unwatchable…dull…bad acting…. sameoldshite. The Hollywood tough guy macho man is over, it was a stereotype based on misogyny, death and contempt anyway. Welcome to civilization.
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for showing up at Columbine, which was an asshole move admittedly, but then you "hope he burns in hell". One moment you tell us what a horrible person he was, the next moment you reveal yourselves to be hateful bastards for a recently deceased. Not that I care, but you guys are assholes, just as bad as you imagine Heston used to be. I didn't like that he's a gun totting maniac, but I liked the fact that he was the manliest manly man, even when he grew old. One less obstacle for the pussification of men. Rest In Peace.
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Yeah, the late great Mr. Heston wasn't actually in the movie, but Joe Flaherty's portrayal of Chuck Heston as the fire chief in SCTV's version of the flick still stands as the greatest Heston parody ever, IMO. "THE BURGER KING METHOD!!!!"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b324sq_0GM
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And his defense of the 2nd Amendment. And his Damn Dirty Ape policy. And dude just had such a great voice. So I'm doubly sad. Triply sad, actually, as it makes me miss Phil Hartman, and his excellent Charlton Heston parody, all over again.I keep typing "Chartlon Heston" and suddenly that name sounds weird to me. I'm like, was that actually his name? That's the name I have associated with that face? Freaky.
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Goodbye Taylor, thanks for the fun! Heston was many things to many people. But there's no debate he was a Manly Man. Not afraid to trigger a doomsday bomb if it meant the world would be safe from ape autocracy.
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Yummy! Seriously, sad to see him go.
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never give a monkey a gun.
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Iconic, sure. Hitler was also iconic. Doesn't mean muc does it? Heston was a gun toting coward who folded like a pussy when Moore confronted him. A kid dies from a gun. Let's have a gun rally. Fuck him and his family. His acting was terrible too. Truly terrible. His personal life set aside, he was a bad actor. 'nuff said.
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"While he slept, Brynn entered his bedroom with a revolver and fatally shot him multiple times in and around the head. Brynn was intoxicated at the time."
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Bilboring: John Carter (aka Charlton Heston) knew his true political views could not be broadcast without strong repercussion, so he evaded Moore's questions. www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-RRe_2tvUo
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He was opposite Olivier in the second film, and it was electric.
As he got older, it seemed like he was always posing, always reminding the rest of us that he was CHARLTON HESTON. But, he played a lot of great men, so maybe he can be forgiven that. One of my favorites is gone, so God rest you on your way, Chuck. P.S. Did I miss it, or hasn't there been any love for Richard Widmark yet? -
That's basically what you and the other sick fucks are doing to Heston. Standing over his grave and taking leaving a wet steaming pile of diarrhea. After all, that's obviously all that spews from your mouth ... diarrhea. The man died. Have some fucking class. I cannot fucking stand Michael Moore (the worthless piece of shit), but if God forbid something happened and he passed on, I would not trash him at every opportunity. It just goes to show you what kind of classless fucking losers there are in the world. Grow the fuck up, BR.
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...that would be Kirk Douglas.And The Omega Man scared the livin' piss outta me when I saw it as a kid. Anthony Zerbe is one creepy dude...
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So the guy was out spoken against racism, voted for JFK but aligned with Republicans (Like Martin Luther King) at times and was for the right for citizens to own guns and you call him a fascist? That's the polar opposite of fascism. The ironic thing is that one of the central tenets of fascism is use of vilification of your enemy. Call them heretics, "Jews are evil" for instance, or you can do what you did and label your enemy a fascist. I love you bumper sticker politicos who hear someone else in the coffee house use the term fascist then, thinking it sounds intelligent, add it to your own lexicon along with other words you use incorrectly like Neocon or Jingoism. Hilarious.
Mr Heston, thank you for Planet of the Apes and Ben Hur. Planet of the Apes was my first truly great movie experience. Thank you for military service, voting with your heart and mind rather than your political affiliation, thank you for defending free speech and for standing up for the rights of citizens to own guns. I will always admire and respect you. -
While tending bar at the eelbach Hotel in Louisville in 1994 I had the pleasure of serving up a big old glass of scotch to the big guy. He was reading a script and was in town for God-Knows-What. Au Revoir!
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It's the hotel that F. Scott Fitzgerald used as a model for "The Great Gatsby". You damned dirty apes!
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This is how you should be writing every time you sit down in front of your computer. No juvenile sex references, no forced meme generations, and no overabundance of 'try' - you just open the valves and let your thoughts pour into text.
Great job, and I hope you read this update 100 times and that it sinks in: you dont need all that other junk to be popular, or witty, or entertaining. -
according to IMDB, in 1994, Heston appears in an episode of Seaquest DSV and the movie True Lies.
I know there's protocol when it comes to working in a bar or restaurant and serving famous people - but in the case of Heston, I think its more than forgivable to just walk up and say hello. Even if you get fired, you'll always be able to say, "I got fired for shaking Charlton Heston's hand." -
thank you. i stand corrected. that's what i get for posting and just trusting my damn brain, without checking the internets first.
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A little child is killed and he has a pro gun rally in the same neighborhood? He doesn't even think of cancelling it? That's being a piece of shit. I think he was a bad actor. Big deal. So was John Wayne...and Elvis. But Heston was a piece of shit as a real person too.
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Heston has been known for over 50 years, and he will be known 50 years from now also. In 50 years nobody will know who the fuck that fat bastard Michael Moore was.
R.I.P Ben-Hur -
on an old SCTV skit
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That has just been his corpse propped up on a horse all this time.
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I had my own fascinating brush with Heston. Several years ago, when Warner Home Video first released the restored Ben-Hur on DVD, they held a very small roundtable discussion with the actor, and I had the good fortune to be invited. There were maybe 10 or 15 people there in all, some mainstream press and DVD industry media types like myself. When Heston walked in, he was kind of hobbled over and moving slowly, and it was obvious that age was taking a toll on him. If you've seen his appearance in Bowling for Columbine, you know what kind of condition he was in at that point - this was not long after that. But once he sat down and started talking, he was sharp as a tack. We all began asking him questions by turns. Some of them were about Ben-Hur and his career in film, but it quickly became clear that a couple of those present were more interested in grilling him about his involvement with the NRA than anything else.
Now, I think there's a time and place for things. I know many people feel strongly about such issues, but there I am, having studied film history my entire life, literally sitting right next to Charlton Heston himself. That is as rare an opportunity as they come in this industry, and in that moment, I didn't give a rat's ass about politics or the NRA. I wanted to talk film! As it happens, the 4 or 5 people sitting closest to Heston with me were all of the same mind, and so we asked him all kinds of questions about his career, his experiences in the old studio system, various productions in which he was involved and the like. He seemed to really appreciate that we were actually interested in his film work, and so he turned to us and simply stopped taking questions from the others. What unfolded was this intimate little conversation between those of us closest to him at the table, while the idiots there to grind a political axe sat fuming. And once he got going, Heston certainly didn't disappoint. For nearly an hour, he regaled us with these absolutely amazing stores. At one point, someone asked him about playing Moses in The Ten Commandments, and he turned and pointed his finger right at me and delivered one of his classic monologues from the film. Let me tell you, as a movie fan, when Charlton Heston points his finger at you and puts you on notice in full wrath-of-God voice from like three feet away... trust me, you will NEVER forget it. Then he smiled at me with this twinkle in his eye, and it was really something, I'll tell you. I've been thinking a lot about that moment today. -
This one's for you.
About 11 years ago, Mr. Heston was a guest on an interview show I was directing. We were on location at the convention center in Atlanta and he was promoting one of his Bible on Tape products (or something like that). We were all excited that Judah ben Hur himself was going to be there, but when he walked into the room, we were quite shocked. Instead of the towering figure we knew from decades of his work, in came a stoop shouldered, tired old man who vaguely resembled Charlton Heston. I stayed in the background as he took his place on the set and then manned my camera. I remember thinking, "This is going to be ugly." I mean, the man was mumbling his responses and looked as if he had passed the century mark a long time ago. Then we rolled tape and an amazing transformation occured. The instant the interview started, his shoulders straightened, his eyes grew clear and bright and suddenly, there he was, the Charlon Heston we all knew from the movies.
The interview ran about half an hour, and he regailed us with a half a dozen stories from his career. Afterward, he allowed us to take a picture with him (a copy of which now hangs in a place of honor in my office). I had a chance to aske him one question, but I was so dazed to be standing next to the man that all I could think of was "Was that your butt in the trial scene on Planet Of The Apes or was it a stunt double?" My producer never forgave me for that one. Mr. Heston just sort of looked at me and shook his head, and before he could answer, his assistant led him away. As he left, his shoulders slumbed again and suddenly the old man was back, but from the time he arrived to the time he left, he was gracious and kind, and I consider myself fortunate to have met him. -
Neither show filmed in Louserville, but nice to know that maybe he was prepping for True Lies.
While at the Seelbach I had the good graces to meet several famous folks (name dropper) like Ringo, Tom Petty, Billy Preston, and a wonderful early morning chat with John Entwistle. Chas was all alone, no escort or bodygaurd, sat alone at a corner table...and I didn't even star fuck him or anything. Just a "Can I get you something" and "Thanks...have a great stay!"....for which I hope he was grateful. Still...wish I would have kept his receipt! -
On SNL and Simpsons.
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Years ago, I used to work at a talk radio station in New York and a lot of movie stars would pass through to plug their latest project. When you saw a lot of them in real life, you were aghast at how small and average looking they were. I had to look down to talk to Arnold, Bob Hope was the size of a ventriloquist's dummy. But there was one visitor who looked exactly like he did in the movies, larger than life, and that was Charlton Heston.
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Interesting stuff.But Manos....dude....dude....I gotta say, that took real gravitas to ask that question! But I do understand what folks are saying about the larger than life thing. By chance I once met Jack Nicklaus, and despite his short stature he was truly larger than life...and I couldn't think of a frikkin' thing to ask him at the time.
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That wasn't gravitas - that was sheer stupidity, but I'm like 5'6" on a good day and to look UP and see Heston's face inches from mine, well, what can I say? - I snapped.
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No one can deny he was an iconic screen legend. He is one of the reasons The Ten Commandments is still one of the greatest films ever made along with Ben Hur. As for him being a vocal President of the NRA...good for him. It's alright for the Hollywood leftists to shout out their political beliefs like they are Political Science graduates, so why the hate on Heston? I'm sick of reading he should have been killed by a gun, etc. Sorry folks, less than a fraction of 1% of gun owners have anything to do with crime. It would be like saying we should ban alcohol because of drunk drivers. Mr. Heston was a stand up and decent man and I was honored to have him as my NRA pres.
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even the supporting cast and director new this. Heston played it gay w/out even knowing it.
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That's all, ladies and gentlemen, that's all. Come again to the greatest show on earth. Bring the children. Bring the old folks. You can shake the sawdust off your feet, but you can't shake it outta your heart. Come again, folks. The Greatest Show on Earth. Come again.
Come again, Mr. Heston. Come again:( -
Thank you.
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not really, i've never been in the NRA, nor do i own a gun. However, i do beleive that the constitution of our United States still means a whole heck of a lot to me, and it did to Mr. Heston as well. He wasn't a gun freak, he didn't want to shoot humans, he just wanted the constitution to be upheld and i hope you all want the same. He also marched with King, and that means something to a lot of people. He fought for some of the most important things and that means more to me than does his awesome acting career. On another note, someone earlier claimed that he became more arogant as time went on, like most conservatives. I'd like to meet a non-arogant liberal. I know they exist, i know they truly care about others at times, i just want to meet one. I know i'm arrogant at times, we all are, but if we can't get over this i hate liberals, i hate conservatives thing in america, we are always going to be divided, even in movie talk backs!
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this is truely bad news.
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Apr 07, 2008 2:46:47 PM CDT
To the Living I owe my respect, to the dead I owe only the truth
by hst666
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For showing us the real Charlton Heston
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Voltaire,
Sorry meant to finish that.
Chuck did great in some roles, but there was absolutely nothing unfair about Michael Moore's treatment of him in Columbine and I do not understand how you could arrive at that conclusion. Heston was president of the NRA, an organization known for taking extreme positions and Michael Moore tracked him down and asked him to own up to those views. -
Heston's got his back. Thanks for the memories sir.
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Apr 07, 2008 3:48:53 PM CDT
I'm Hoping When You Wrote Your Grandmother's Obit...
by read and shut up
...you didn't pull any text from your "Blade II" review, Harry. Anyway, too bad about Chuck Heston - I hated his politics but he's an actor's actor.
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Apr 07, 2008 3:58:37 PM CDT
the funny thing about the nra and its fear mongering is...
by jimmyjoe redsky
they got the whole "they aint taking my guns away" argument backwards - democrats and liberals arent the bad guys that would take their guns away - they just want to make it harder for guns to be used illegally by people that should not own any - its the republicans and conservatives the nra and gun nuts need to worry about - the very party and political wing they choose to align themselves with - look at the patriot act, the illegal wire taps on citizens, the confiscation of legally owned firearms from private citizens in new orleans after katrina, black water (a private army for hire) operating unchecked and with immunity in iraq (supposedly now a free democracy) - all these smack of "big govt" walking all over free people - so when Charlton Heston got up at a podium and said "they can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands" i have to ask now... who exactly? - im a liberal democrat that thinks private citizens should be allowed to own guns if they choose to - but the circulation of guns in america needs to be controlled - period - its harder to buy a car and drive it around town than it is to get a gun and carry it under your shirt in public (where i live anyway) - thats not right - i see stores and restaurants all the time with "no guns allowed" signs in the windows - i laugh when gun nuts call guns tools - "its just a tool, like a car, cars kill more people when used improperly" - guns are weapons, a hammer is a tool - how many armies arm their soldiers with hammers? - when i was a kid most guys knew how to fist fight if a situation called or it - nowadays if you look at someone the wrong way or get into an argument over a parking space you gotta worry about getting shot - a bunch of pussies with guns making life miserable for everyone
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Charlton Heston is one of the few people I'd love toi have given the gift of immortality to so that he could in turn give us the gift of his craft forever. He was also a tireless warrior for freedom, whether it was for the right of African Americans to vote and to be treated as equals under the law or the right to own a fire arm, as is guarunteed in the Constitution.
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The fat, greasy slob who tried to sue two DVD producers because they exposed him as a fraud and hypocrite?
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To all of the liberals attacking Heston. What have you done to further the causes you believe in? What have you done to make this world a better place? Heston marched with Dr. King, which means he's done more for civil rights in this country in one lifetime than you could do in 5.
There is this tiny little matter of the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution which guarantees the right to bear arms. Heston was an advocate for that right. If you disagree, you have every right to lobby the public to repeal the 2nd Amendment, as Heston did to uphold it. Instead of doing anything constructive to further the causes you believe in you choose to bad mouth him on an Internet message board. You are as classless as you are irrelevant to discussion of 2nd Amendment issues. It's pathetic. I wish trolls like you, and the trolls on the extreme right wing, would go away so those of us who are capable of having an honest, open and civil discussions of issues with people we disagree with could exchange in civil discourse. -
I know the truth hurts, that being confronted by this little thing called REALITY might be harsh for people like you, and you can write whatever sarcastic and insulting post you want......But I stand by what I said, when I responded to Mr. Sinister's post. To take Charlton Heston's viewpoint that the Constitution, as written by our Founding Fathers in terms of gun ownership rights, should simply be adhered to...the same way that it HAS been adhered to and honored for well over 200 years...and to then equate that simple legal, historic, and PRO-Constitutional stance with the crime levels Mr. Sinister claims Boston is facing is just a RIDICULOUS analogy and a DEFINITE reach on all levels of logic. Even worse, to curse out and literally damn Heston the actor (as Mr Sinister did) for simply being a supporter of gun ownership rights (as clearly MANY Americans are) is even more loser-like.But hey, why address the actual issue of personal responsibility and accountability...why address the actual issue of Boston getting it's own shit together...when you can blame Boston's problems on an aged actor who lives 3,000 miles away? Yeah, you're right DannyGlover, I'm a real troll for pointing out the complete and utter laugh out loud ILLOGIC behind Mr. Sinister's post, which is what I was responding to. But based on your post, I gather you would like to live with him in Fantasyland. No problem -- tickets are available daily at the Disney box office. Go enjoy yourselves...
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I agree with you that poverty creates desperation. But "changing the structural problems" of the country will do very little unless we change our personal views of life. There are many people who grew up in extreme poverty and never felt the need to turn to crime. Those people are the one small fact that tends to stop your argument. It is not the poverty, it is the attitude of the poor person. I'm not trying to be a contrary bastard or anything, just my two cents. Between stimulus and reaction there is a small space. In that space we are free to choose how we will react.Rest in Peace Mr. Heston.
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I am sorry, but that does not halt the argument. It IS poverty. It's the statistics. Just because because many people bear the trials that come with poverty honorably, that does not mean that there are many more who do not.
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I'm a 17 year veteran of law enforcement, people kill people, crazy people, mean people, misguided people raised in today's fracked up society.Guns are a tool just like your computer.It takes some real lowlife mama's basement living arses to turn an obit into a debate on gun control. You fuckers doing this shit are the type of bozo's that end up getting arrested for violent stupid shit because you can't control yourselves.
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Truly shameful behavior from Michael Moore on that one, moreso than usual. He distorted the events in question and presented them to Heston making him look callous rather than confused which is what he had to be.
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I just knew this would turn into some hair-brained politics conversation. By the way, gun control does not equal a reduction in crime. The good , law abiding people turn in their guns and the criminals find a way to keep them. With less fear of people being armed, crime goes up. Criminals are still criminals in the end. RIP Charlton Heston.
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Heston didn’t organize or speak at a rally after that little girl died. He attended a mandatory meeting. It was not a public meeting and that “cold, dead hands” speech was made somewhere else and was completely unrelated to his visit. Moore manipulated the footage and timeline to make it seem like Heston held a large rally and shoved the NRA message in people’s faces after the tragedy, which simply wasn’t the case. Perhaps in the future you should check your facts before shoving Moore’s cock in your mouth and sucking for a prolonged period of time.
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He described Moore as shameless - so I don't see how that is super leftist as some are stating.
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Harry did good, the rest of the asshats who just had to get a dig in at a dead man for his politics are the ones I was refering too.
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Chuck had a hell of a life. I wish that when I die I have 1/4 the impact and fun he did. You may not agree with everything he did, but you cant say he was half assed about it.
In other news soylent gerrn to be served at the wake.
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excellent points - i couldnt agree more - but while we as a society work towards fixing the govt sponsored separation of classes and try to quell the impulse of the have-nots to commit crimes (breath) something should be done about the massive glut of illegally circulated fire arms - especially considering the fact that the overwhelming majority of these guns end up in the hands of the have-nots that feel the need to commit crimes
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guns arent tools - they are weapons - ok, maybe the argument could be made that hunting rifles are tools - like a sharps74 - but an ar-15 is a weapon - a mossberg shotgun is a weapon - an ak47 is a weapon - a hammer and saw are tools - as someone in law enforcement you would agree that a good number of citizens should not own or carry very dangerous weapons (like guns or rocket launchers) - or even be allowed to operate potentially dangerous tools (like cars and computers) - especially if theyre drunks or pedophiles or both - the fact that there are so many gun crimes committed here tells me and any one with common sense that there are too many guns out there in the wrong hands - the gun laws do work - provided the dealers and purchasers of guns abide by them - but theyre not enforced and the sheer volume of guns our society is knee deep in is the proof - its just too easy to get a gun illegally and the law enforcement community's hands are tied when it comes to cutting the flow of illegal guns off at the source
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Where have all of the real stars gone? We are left with liberal lesser characters like George Clooney and Matt Damon. Remember when a leading man had star quality? At least we still have Clint Eastwood...and...?
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...about how fat people are costing the US billions of $$$s? Why doesn't he make a film that displays Hollywood's hypocrisy in regard to racial makeup of the film industry and the depiction of minorities as ignorant crackheads or criminals? Why doesn't Michael Moore make a film that displays Hollywood's hypocrisy of attacking legal gun owners (treating them like crazy thugs) while making millions off of extremely violent films (most of which, ironically, contain guns)? Instead, Michael Moore attacks an elderly class act like Charlton Heston. WTG, FatAss Moore. You really know how to show sincere gunowners, doctors and a sitting Commander-in-Chief just how "evil" they are. Next time, why don't you make a movie that exposes your buddies in Hollywood who peddle smut to children? Why don't you make a film that exposes the dangers of militant Islam? Why not make a film that tackles the issue of Hollywood job outsourcing?
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Good point. Caine is great, as is Morgan Freeman and Daniel Day-Lewis. I suppose that there are some really good actors out there. Are they iconic "leading men?" I'm not too sure. But they are GREAT actors!
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You ain't gonna like what I've got to say on this I can tell. Guns are tools for hunting, tools for defense, and tools for recreation.Are they abused yup. One of the first murders I every worked as green patrolman was one where a crack addict killed his grandmother.First he beat her with a lamp, then an ash tray (one of the heavy glass ones) then he cut her and then shot her with a .25ACP auto. Which was worse?
I can take a full auto Ak or m-16 load it and place it on a table. Barring a mechanical failure it will not go off, nor will it get up and jump into someone's hands turning them into a mass murderer or even a one time murderer. The problem is that more and more this nation since the fifties has dealt with things on a situational morals and ethics basis. Part of this is a failure of parents , part of it is the no personal responsibility society we live in. Part of it is the result of our country going from a basically rural to a one that has people living in large cities with rotting cores. People no longer in many cases find pride in working hard, and doing the right thing.It's about instant glorification, and tribal mentalities in the cities and even the suburbs. We have people in this nation that are sheep.Case in point Virgina Tech shooting my generation (I'm 46) would never have sit in our chairs while a gunman worked the room left to right front to back, we would have fought back 30 to one odds are good odds.The only person who stood up was an aged survivor of Hitler's death camps.That professor paid with his life for his students to get away. They had weapons but they didn't use then, text books, pens, lap tops, etc can be used with lethal results. I watched in total disbelief while a survivor of this, who was shot, stated on national TV fighting back never occurred to him.
On the social front the fact the there is no longer a stigma attached to living on the dole and the rise of single parent households means kids are taught they are owed something and there is no strong male influence that doesn't beat the mother, or children, that doesn't do drugs or bang with the local thugs.
Guns are not the problem but the problem is our society has not evolved into a society that is so PC we are afraid to enforce standards of conduct, or define right and wrong to our children. The question is as simple as trees pretty ,fire bad, and it's not about guns. I'm a strange cop I believe drugs should be legalized (take the profit motive away, and free up resources to work serious crimes) I believe in all 10 of the amendments in the bill of rights, and I have found in my travels along the pathway that it's not the gun but the heart of the person holding the gun that s the problem.It crosses all lines of society and it touches everyone. The answer is as simple as getting hardcore on the home front, teaching good old fashion values and personal responsibility, allowing any honest and up right citizen possess and carry a weapon for defense with strict review of shootings and legal protections from lawsuits if justifiable, and getting serious about putting bad people away or letting them ride lightening as punishment on major felonies, like rape, murder, robbery etc. All according to strict judicial and scientific review. I can teach a dog not to shit in the house there is no excuse for not teaching our children not to rape,rob, kill and sell dope. This sermon(for which I apologize for) is long enough but you get the idea.
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...and i really cant find much to disagree with there - except the "guns are just tools" part - i get youre point on that though, using your reasoning the hiroshima bomb was a "tool" (for ending a war) - now having said that, i still think part of the reason there is so much "gun" violence in the u.s. is the overwhelming disregard for gun purchase laws and the seemingly unchecked availability of illegal fire arms (be they stolen, smuggled into our borders or bought legally then resold to criminals) - i can drive 45 minutes outside of the city and get a gun at an open air gun show no questions asked - then do whatever i choose to with it - whats scary is too many peoples answer to a problem these days is opening fire on anyone in sight (then pussing out and eating a bullet) - like the asshole here where i live that shot up city hall - everyone knew he was nuts before hand, this guy should never have been armed - the threats were ignored until he showed up that night and started shooting - this fucker killed 2 cops - the first he walked right up to calmly - he used that cops gun inside city hall along with the one he brought with him - he killed 5 people (2 cops) - a big chunk of the world has the same societal problems as you described the u.s. as having, but there murder rates (specifically murders by way of hand guns etc. are nil) - im not anti gun - i own a few - and ive hunted - i still on ocassion shoot paper with my dad - he is a nra member (im not) - guns arent the real problem, it is society like you and that other guy said - but i just dont think the answer to adressng armed criminals and the dangers in society is making guns easier for everyone (criminals included) to own - how do you feel about the conceal carry law (its in place where i live) - a lot of cops (my brothers wifes brother is a cop) dont like it - if a citizen is in real danger (has had their life threatened etc) i can see wanting to carry a gun around in public - but a lot of old farts just get off on the idea of being armed at all times - theyre not cops, and i guarantee you the majority of these guys arent sharpshooters that could safely watch there background in a fire fight
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I always thought the amazing thing about geeks was that our love of common things brought us together, I never dreamed that some of us would be so petty as to allow us to hate someone because they had a different political point of view. Mr. Heston still has friends and family that will grieve his passing as some of you try so hard to vilify him.
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as you make it out to be.
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It's video games that are destroying society, pure and simple. That outta piss off a few posters... ;)But seriously, rather than rave on one side of the fence or other I'll exit this talkback by stating that I could give a big rat's ass about an entertainer's politics, opinions, or personal life as long as I am ENTERTAINED.I can revel in the meticulous studio workmanship of Queen without giving Freddie Mercury's sexual preference a second thought.I can relish the 70's brilliance of Baretta without even a nod to Robert Blake's press.Hell, I can even enjoy the campy badness of Barbarella without boiling over the political choices of Jane Fonda.So did Chuck Heston entertain me throughout the long years of his work?Absolutely. To quote another giant...'nuff said.Let the flames begin.
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It is a cultural thing as well as a societal thing when it comes to guns.When you look at it Doctors in this country kill more people than handguns (That's using the CDC's own figures).
In my part of the nation , the south,we have strong CCW laws, all require a background check as a standard and most cops have no problem with ccw laws. Whatever type of law we have the criminal will just ignore it so I like the idea of a citizen having the chance to protect themselves in their home or on the street.
Police officers cannot be everywhere at once. I do not support the idea of everyone should have a gun for defense , only those who want one. I believe that all those who are pushing a political agenda of citizen disarming should follow their
convictions and put big gun free zone signs in their front yard
that say 100% gun free zone. After a few months they might change their mind if they survive.
I find the attitude you speak of
cops having primarily a northern thing and a big city thing
at the street cop level. It's easy for those cops to say that because they already have their gun to protect themselves and families.
Here in the south many PD's open their ranges to citizens and at least one sheriff's office offers limited training.
A 150 pound woman attacked by 5'10 180-200 pound man can use the silly self defense techniques a lot of places teach, you know keys in the hand jabbed at the face, CN or OC spray,a whistle for Christ's sake, but the only the way to really counter such is a gun with the knowledge on when to shoot and how to shoot and the mindset to shoot.
I come from warrior's background even if my short, pudgy, four eyed appearance doesn't look it. I have long recognized there are monsters under the bed, in the closet and out on the corner. I do not believe it is wrong to take life in defense of my own life or someone else's or in defense of my community or nation.I thank God each night that I have never had to but believe in certain circumstances it is the right thing to do for me and any fellow citizen. The mass shooters like the example you posted would have found a way to kill if not with a gun then with a blade or maybe kitchen sink explosives. And contrary to what many think here we will soon face an even greater enemy here in the us than the common criminal. The islamofascist
terrorist. Armed citizens will provide a wild card that makes planning attacks harder. Terrs have been stopped by armed citizens in other countries,Israel primarily, and active shooters in this country have been stopped or captured in this country by armed citizens.
Criminals do not follow the laws we have now and to think they will follow any new ones makes no sense.There have been semi auto rifles and pistols in this country for over 80 years, and shotguns,
revolvers and single shot weapons even longer, the mass shooter is a rather recent thing development beyond (outlaw gangs).
On last thing the A bomb is a truly nothing more than a tool, one capable of doing a lot of damage, but for years it has served as a deterrent that keep other nations(not just the US in check). It's a lot like a spare tire or insurance, you have it in case you need it but hope you never do. Defensive handguns rifles and shotguns are the same
way.All the good folks with them pray they never need them but if they do they have em. The ones with a gunslinger,I'm packing heat mentality in my neck of the woods generally lose the ccw quick. Till they come out with a phaser with a wide angle nozzle I personally based on my experiences think the populace need the opportunity to ccw, and as a supporter of everyone's creator endowed,
constitutionally affirmed rights I believe if we give up one right the rest will follow so I am not in favor of the giving up of any
constitutional rights.
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very well said.
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You would have to be a retard to think the cold dead hands line was from the speech he gave after Columbine. I cannot believe the amount of people out there who are so willing to distort Michael's actions and intents.
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Awesome post.
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Hmmm...
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My God man, that may be the best post I've ever read on this site.
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Even with your grandmother dead, and Heston dead, you had to get you crazy left-wing dig in, didn't you Harry?
Your quote " Michael Moore shamelessly exploited him in BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE - and with audiences - you could feel them hate and love Michael for doing it."
I'm sorry, the audience I saw Bowling with actually booed at your fellow fat-ass MM when he obviously sabotaged Heston after surgery. There was no "love" for MM, that is something you made up in your brain because although you love watching Heston blow people away on screen you secretly agree and want to be like your true Hero Michael Moore. -
He also manipulated the chronolgy of the following school shooting to make it look as if Heston was being callous once again. Then he proceeds to question Heston in a manner that only makes sense in the context of the film. Naturally Heston is confused and to top it off Moore closes the segment by leaving behind a photograph in an act of melodramatic showmanship.
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in america there are too many guns in too many of the wrong hands - just admit it - youre right, "guns are tools, bombs are tools, everything is a tool with a purpose" - youre a tool, for "the man" - keep mentioning the boogey man (muslims) to avoid the issue - how many islamofascist terrorists have you arrested recently
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Apr 08, 2008 2:23:49 PM CDT
we as armed citizens need to prepare to do battle with...
by jimmyjoe redsky
black water - when theyre turned loose on us by our own govt - it will be cool like a Charlton Heston movie - the scruffy rag tag rebels against the scary futuristic black clad super soldiers
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Quote by JimmyJoe RedSky
"in america there are too many guns in too many of the wrong hands - just admit it - you're right, "guns are tools, bombs are tools, everything is a tool with a purpose" - you're a tool, for "the man" - keep mentioning the boogey man (muslims) to avoid the issue - how many islamofascist terrorists have you arrested recently"
No I see your point it is a left leaning and looking view that the gun is the problem not willing to recognize there are bad people who will misuse any tool or item. Guns are not the problem people are, just as people have been since Cain and Able. Gun Control is actually an attempt to control people. You cannot control crime in American society by restricting guns. Bad guys will always have weapons if not from the use them somewhere else. The crux of the issue is what to do about the bad people in society.You seem to want say that if we had less guns we would have less violent crime and that just ain't so. The steady decline in self respect and respect of others, the instant gratification mentality, and the steady growing of the I'm owed something culture brought by the various government programs meant to help people raise themselves up are part of the problem. A good example of this is the MS-13 gangs guns are nice but when they get serious they really like the machete to make a point or leave a message
Believe me I'm not a tool for the Man.There are many like me who believe their loyalty is to the constitution and the people of our community not the chief's and politicians of our time. Like I said ask me about the difference between old school peace officers and the new kids on the block sometime.
As to islamo fascists arrested lately I haven't popped any I have investigated one or two here and there but I cleared them and moved on. I have seen portions of the training films that were captured in A'stan at AQ training camps showing them training to do
Beslan style attacks on US facilities ranging from hospitals, schools and office buildings.
The threat is real and there have been attacks but (I disagree with this opinion) the prevailing opinion amongst those in charge are the american people will panic if there are reports of individual level attacks in US. The attacks on security officers at oil facilities in Texas, some of the lone crazy style attacks have been written off as normal crime. When the big attack comes you'll know it because they will not be able to hide it.
And just to clear up a few things I think the Patriot Act was an unconstitutional mistake, the attack on Iraq was the settling of scores and badly thought out, and the government is the biggest threat to our freedom as it seeks to grow it's power and limit our liberty in the name of making us safe.
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I'm not worried about Blackwater as much as I am the use of the US and foriegn militaries against the people. I know people who work or have worked for various PMC's and they adnit the profession has problems with assclowns. About 10% of those guys make them all look bad. In my profession about 15-20% feel as I do that the constitution and the people are who we serve, about 15-20% are just bad apples be it corrupt or brutal, or both, the remaining 60-70 percent are there for a pay check and will run with whatever pack they are with, some might come around but most are gonna do what they have to do to keep their job.
Me I have made my decision which side I'm on and what I will do when the time comes. I will stand for the right thing it's what I have done my whole life and it's what I will do until I die.
Kinda Like the The Duke said in The Alamo, "That's what's important, to feel useful in this old world, to hit a lick against what's wrong for what's right even though you get walloped for saying that word. Now I may sound like a Bible beater yelling up a revival at a river crossing camp meeting, but that don't change the truth none. There's right and there's wrong. You got to do one or the other. You do the one and you're living. You do the other and you may be walking around, but you're dead as a beaver hat."
Corny I know but it's how I feel and how I have lived my life.
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im talking about cracking down hard on illegal guns, guns used illegally, people that use or sell them illegally, accountability to those that market them when their misuse is traced back to how in fact they were marketed (as a product) - the only guns that should be restricted imo (or controlled by way of banning from private purchase) are machine guns and rocket launchers - the only people that need these are people at war or criminals - and criminals shouldnt have them but they do - why is that? - if you dont agree with that then i guess you dont mind being outgunned by the perps - why would joe citizen need kevlar piercing bullets? - why are they even made available (i could by a shitload right now online) - maybe if i go to war with the local swat unit ill need them - im not anti gun - im anti iresponsbility - dont twist my words man - im not twisting yours - like if i said "you, like a lot of gun owners, think everyone should be armed and there should be less law enforcement (cause the cops are the populace control tool of big govt), life should be more like it was back in the good old days of the old west" - people are the problem, youre right - but i said it like 3 times now, making guns easier and easier to own (for any asshole out there) is not helping - people in general are fucked up so lets arm them to the teeth so we can kill each other that much faster - make sense?
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first as a wearer of kevlar every duty day I can tell you that any center fire rifle bullet soft point,hollow point or full metal jack with punch holes in the standard soft armor.If you have a 30-06 or .270 for hunting you already have a weapon that will do standard armor worn by cops. Many handgun bullets will also. Not by design but because unlike some politicos have told people it doesn't take a special bullet to punch kevlar. A hard pointed bullet at over 1600 fps will do the trick.
I am all for enforcing current gun laws against felons having weapons and I'm for sentencing enhancements for use of a gun in a felony. I am not for the tough restrictions places like NYC, D.C. and a few others have that prevent those who really need a weapon for self protection from getting it.
As for Machine guns and rocket launchers Currently in the history of the National Firearms act there have been approximately 3 instances of the illegal use of a legally registered automatic weapons in crimes.
I get where you are coming form I don't happen to agree with it. Making the lawful gun buyer jump through hoops to get a gun has zero impact on gun crime, Even the ATF in a very quiet study done towards the end of the so called "Assault Weapons" ban showed that restricting magazine capacity and semi auto rifles and pistols with large magazines had no effect on crime. The same study also showed that so called assault weapons were only used in 3-4% I can't remember which of total crime nation wide. I am not out gunned because of my training, my mindset, and the fact I can walk into a gun store and purchase an AR or other such rifle to use in my duties if my department doesn't issue one. Most cops I know have done just that, a lot of home and business owners have also. In a civil unrest/riot situation a Remington bolt action or 4 shot semi or pump action rifle or shot gun will not give you the parity needed to police, protect your life, your families life , or your home and business.
I'll believe in punishing dealers because a weapon they sold is used in a crime when we start punishing car dealers for the use of their product in DUI and DUI involved wrecks. All sales from a licensed dealer require a background check right now, be it at the store front or a gun show. If there are people selling weapons without a license there are laws against that already the law should be enforced.
We have over 22,000 state, local , and federal laws on the books, As someone out there on the front lines I'm telling you those laws don't effect the criminal, and new ones will only make it difficult for good people to get guns. Historically gun control has been used against unpopular sections of the populace ranging from Jim Crow style laws to prevent blacks from buying handguns , to the Sullivan act in New York which was targeted at the wave of Irish and Italian immigrants to Hitler's revision of Germany's gun laws slanting them against Jews.
As for the wild west the fabled gunfights 3 times a day morning noon and night on the streets are basically an invention of penny novel writers. Sure there were gunmen and people were killed in such but nowhere near the numbers made out. Just as now they had criminals from Billy the Kid to Wes Hardin to the James gang but that as now wasn't the norm. I saw a study while in the academy over 15 years ago that compared crime rates and the rate of crime then was actually lower then than know.
Also the wild west argument has been used from Texas to Florida when ccw laws were re written to make it easier for GOOD people to get a permit,dire predictions of blood in the streets every time and all those predictions have been wrong.
One other factoid the stats on so called shooting victims include people shot by good guys, cops, and criminals, they also do not separate they do not separate criminal on criminal shootings and count gang bangers up to age 21 shot in the innocent children shot each year numbers, nor are the circumstances of the shooting categorized but instead the total non specific numbers are used to push a political agenda.
I appreciate the civil discourse on this subject as I have seen things get really heated over the issue. I think I understand where you are coming from we just have different view points based on our experiences and what information we have had access to.
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Is there no way to have paragraphs in these responces. I put in paragraphs and spaces between them and then get this run on stuff when I post.
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You need to use HTML language. Try entering wherever you want a new paragraph.I personally believe in the right to own a gun as a means to defend oneself against their own government, but there is clearly a difference between owning a gun and possibly shooting someone with it, and not owning a gun and not killing someone. At the same time, I don't really believe there's such a thing as justice. It's not part of God's plan. There's just good luck and bad luck. Hooray for Bill Hicks and Orson Welles. Charlton Heston, you were not a favorite of mine, but I hold no ill will toward you as a person, or an actor. You entertained, and that's all that really matters.
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I can't write the function without the function actually doing what's programmed to do. Here it is in hyphenated form .
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that doesn't work either. I'll spell it out then. press shift comma, then "p", then shift period. greater than sign, p, less than sign. got it?
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all guns allowed, all bullet types, how about hand grenades for any one that wants one - theyre all just tools anyway, right - like weaponized anthrax, just a tool - or dirty bombs - why isnt it my right to own these? - i promise not to misuse them - ill even take a tst proving my stability - what america needs in comlete unfettered access to all fire arms, ammunition and "tools" of destruction - right? - complete and without restriction - because jesus was packin, wasnt he? - ill leave this merry go round with this... start tracing the flow of guns used in crimes, do something about it, make it harder for criminals, ex cons and the unstable to have guns - then come talk to me - you can even quote john wayne all you want - now get back to work, my sense of safety is getting shaky with you finding the time to make all these long posts in here - oh and - r.i.p. chuck, you will be missed "taylor"
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It's called off days and I'm on two. The flow of guns is traced and they are working on the very things you say.We have the laws needed for the ATFE to do that already. The vest is worn is because even though there are things out there that will pierce it most bad guys don't have what weapons that and ammo that will. You'll notice I didn't spoke in only the most general of terms about that portion of the conversation.
I can take clorox and a popular soft drink and have a chemically powered hand grenade.Or I can go into any farming co op or a well stocked grocery and get what I need to make explosives for grenades. We don't' see them on the street that often because generally most criminals aren't' that smart, most street criminals have a little animal cunning and instinct that's it.
The point the gun is not the problem the bad individual is.Punishing good folks for the actions of the bad folks doesn't make sense.
One last thing Jesus wasn't packing but He told the gang of 12 to sell a cloak and buy a sword if they didn't have one because He wouldn't be around to protect them in the psychical realm.
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Thanks that helps a lot.
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Wow you really know what you are talking about. Could you generalise and your racist thoughts just a little more please, pretty please.
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Wow you really know what you are talking about. Could you genralise and spew your racist thoughts just a little more please, pretty please!
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He was an overacting, overrated actor. Sorry. And to all those who think Michael Moore was hard on him in Blowing for Columbine, remember, at that time he was traveling around the country yelling, "from my cold dead hand". At least now that's true.
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Must respect the dead? BS! Hitler killed millions, but he was just misunderstood, I guess is how you see that. Just because someone dies doesn't mean I have to be nice. When people who do bad things die, its a celebration! Now, I don't think Heston was a bad dude, I just really didn't care either way. And now that he's dead I care even less. ;-)
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The 1990 version of Treasure Island has always been my favorite one, mostly because of Heston's performance as Long John Silver. It also didn't hurt having a young Christian Bale, Christopher Lee, Oliver Reed and other good actors, plus music by Paddy Maloney of The Chieftains. Harry or anyone out there - what is the story behind why this version has never been released on DVD?
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But not because of Charlton Heston. Only because of the idiots who can't separate their politics from simple human compassion.
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A Madhouse!!!!!!!!!
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