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Charlton Heston Is Legend! It’s A MAAAAADHOOOUUUSE!
Hey, everyone. “Moriarty” here.
I personally blame the damn dirty apes.
There were not many actors like Charlton Heston, and when you look at his film career, you see an outsized personality whose iconography only grows with the passage of time. Normally, I’m sure Harry would be rushing to share his affection for Cheston with you, but he’s suffered his own family loss this week, and I’m sure the last thing he wants to do is write an obituary right now.
I think the last great work I saw from him was in Kenneth Branagh’s HAMLET, where he appeared as the Player King. I know he worked after that, but that felt like a real summation of what made his screen presence so unique. He was bigger-than-life, hammy at times, in love with his own remarkable voice. And yet none of those were negatives when you’re describing him. He was one of those guys you can’t parody, because he managed to roast himself even while giving a totally serious performance. I always felt like he was in on the joke in the SF films that defined him in the ‘70s, like PLANET OF THE APES or SOYLENT GREEN or THE OMEGA MAN, and even if he did have a fascination with Heston-as-Jesus imagery for a while, those films work as both metaphor or message as well as pure entertainment, and a big part of that was the way Heston would chew on his roles like they were steak and he was starving.
It’s next to impossible to sum up his career in just a few lines, or just by referring to a few roles. He’s a guy who was in the business so long that he has different eras of work. I’m particularly fond of THE NAKED JUNGLE, SECRET OF THE INCAS (which all Indiana Jones fans owe it to themselves to track down), his MUSKETEERS films, the heartbreaking WILL PENNY, and especially TOUCH OF EVIL, where he’s woefully miscast as a Mexican, but still great. It was only recently that The Weinstein Company finally released EL CID on DVD, an epic that really stands the test of time. I prefer it to the much-better-known BEN-HUR, which may be the most iconic work that he ever did. It was his work in THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH that first launched him into stardom, but I think it was his work in THE TEN COMMANDMENTS that really defined him. He became known as “the epic guy,” and he showed up in sprawling productions like THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD, THE AGONY & THE ECSTASY, and KHARTOUM. In the ‘70s, he made movies like AIRPORT 1975, EARTHQUAKE, and MIDWAY, but it’s the tense TWO-MINUTE WARNING that was my introduction to him, and I still have an inordinate fondness for that story of a cop caught in a cat-and-mouse game with a sniper in LA.
He was 84 years old when he passed away at home earlier today, and my impression is that he lived a full and rewarding life, involved in politics, president of the Screen Actors Guild for many years, an infamous advocate of the NRA, and actively engaged in humanitarian work. He was an Alzheimer’s sufferer for the last few years of his life.
I’ve just been reading various sources about Heston, and I didn’t realize his was a stage name. Even funnier, his real name was John Carter, and he changed it specifically because of the Edgar Rice Burroughs character. In a town that is openly suspicious of anyone who labels themselves a conservative, Heston was open about his affiliations, and I respect the hell out of him for that. As I’ve always said... I don’t have to agree with someone to like the way they conduct themselves, and Heston was a great example of that. He spoke from the heart, and he was passionate about the issues that were important to him.
The craziest thing I learned while reading about Heston tonight is that, allegedly, he was hired by the FBI during the Waco standoff to provide the voice of God when talking to David Koresh. They may not have ended up using him, but the fact that they went to him says a hell of a lot about the way he was regarded by film fans the world over.
Here’s the official statement his family released earlier today:
"To his loving friends, colleagues and fans, we appreciate your heartfelt prayers and support. Charlton Heston was seen by the world as larger than life. He was known for his chiseled jaw, broad shoulders and resonating voice, and, of course, for the roles he played. Indeed, he committed himself to every role with passion, and pursued every cause with unmatched enthusiasm and integrity.
We knew him as an adoring husband, a kind and devoted father, and a gentle grandfather, with an infectious sense of humor. He served these far greater roles with tremendous faith, courage and dignity. He loved deeply, and he was deeply loved.
No one could ask for a fuller life than his. No man could have given more to his family, to his profession, and to his country. In his own words, ‘I have lived such a wonderful life! I've lived enough for two people.’
A private memorial service will be held. The family has requested that, in lieu of flowers, donations be made to the Motion Picture and Television Fund:
MPTF
22212 Ventura Boulevard, Suite 300
Woodland Hills, CA 91364
www.mptvfund.org
Website: http://www.mptvfund.org/”
He will be deeply missed by those who knew him personally and by those who loved his work.
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
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I love "Ben-Hur" to no end.
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Heh.
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Its ace.
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His potrayal of Robert Stroud is unforgetable.
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A gifted talent and a master actor.
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Apr 05, 2008 11:45:52 PM CDT
"Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!"
by orionsangels
One of the first lines I ever heard in a movie. The build up to Taylor saying that line is so well conceived. That when he finally utters those words to those stinkin apes. You can't help but get excited and scream at the screen - HELL YEAH!!! TELL THAT STUPID MONKEY WHO'S THE DOMINANT SPECIES!!! Heston will always be remembered as one of the great actors.
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to mention as I type tis , I have a cockatiel on my shoulder
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One of the greatest things ever put on film!
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Godspeed, old friend. One of my great guilty pleasures in movie life is "The Greatest Show On Earth". Quite simply, an actor who will live for eternity. There are no words. Godspeed.
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...just like he told us to! LMFAO!!!
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One of the most famous scenes in movie history!
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I suspect right where he belongs if you believe in Heaven. They'll never make another one like him.
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I guess it's ok to take his guns now.
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to play Schwarzeneggers boss in True Lies because you could beleive that he could intimidate Arnold.
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Apr 05, 2008 11:48:44 PM CDT
*sigh* Just waiting for the "cold dead hand" jokes to start
by gorrister
C'mon, you KNOW it's going to happen. Oh, well. Very sad to see him go. He was definately one of the greats.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Sick bastards. :P
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To be shown last on the Oscar Obit next year, unless someone more famous dies till then.
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not sick. just quoting what the gun-nut himself said.
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Rest in peace.
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Such a brilliant and intense performance.
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I think Mickey Rooney, Don Rickles and Jerry Lewis are left. That's about it.
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Micheal Moore acted despicably when he basically INVADED the late Mr. Heston's home and cornered him on issues he wasn't prepared to respond to. Micheal Moore needs to be shitcanned and blacklisted for his horribly misleading and inaccurate editorials-masquerading as documentary. Total sleazeball material and he's managed to fool the gullible into thinking his agendas are gospel.
Whew....
Planet of the Apes is TRULY one of my favorite films, I watch it tonight in Charlton Heston's honor. -
Oh damn you! Damn you all to Hell!
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He added so much to a scene just by his presence. He will be missed. One of the last true movie stars. Not many like him left in Hollywood.RIP
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Well was Dick Van Dyke really one of the great classic performers from the 30's,40's and 50's? Not really
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I'd be proud to eat that man's soylent. (It will give me power.)
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im not eating ANYBODY's "soylent" lol
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RIP, Chaz
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Apr 06, 2008 12:03:58 AM CDT
Dick Van Dyke wasn't one of the great classic performers from th
by cerebralassassin
But neither was Don Rickles!!
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How very strange...
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One of my favorite guest hosts......
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Bet that's an interesting conversation!Great actor, rest in peace!
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Clint Eastwood. And that will be a hard hitting day.
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Although I certainly had seen The Ten Commandments before either Soylent Green or The Omega Man, those movies are the ones that keyed me into him as great force in the genre of films that I loved as a kid. I think that somehow I probably saw these before I even saw The Planet Of The Apes. But those CBS Late Night Movies would often roll Soylent Green or The Omega Man out, which when you're a kid sneaking some TV in late at night and you hit these, well, they are thrilling and scary all at once, and makes you truly wonder about the direction the world you live in is heading.
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Heston was King. "Planet"...."Omega"..."Soylent" - all BIG movies for my generation. Plus, those epic roles from his past, just emphasized his awesomeness to us kids. Great actor, class-act human being. Icon. Wow.
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Don Rickles hung out with them. Watch the Don Rickles documentary Mr Warmth. He's from that era. Maybe not as famous as some of the others, but in the 70's he was in all those roast. They all knew him. He's one of them.
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In lieu of flowers.Too bad he wasn't able to work up till the end, hopefully Connery will do a few more films before he kicks it.
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...On BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE, I now truly dislike that ending. Damn you Michael Moore! You blew it!
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My Dad met Chuck and told him, "I've raised my children with your cinematic quotes." He was amused, I'm told.By far, my Dad's favorite actor.
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...was a fucking Republican cock-smoking, douche bag.
Glad he's dead, finally.
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we will see you soon...
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http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/36296#comment_1993672
Suck on it you reverent douchenozzles!
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while it appears you beat me by 3 minutes (on snl talkback), theres about a billion people over on the IMDb boards that beat us both to it.
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...on the way home tonight. Damn. TCM will be having a Heston day, soon, so keep your eyes open. The Waco story is news to me - but so absolutely bat-shit crazy, that I love it.
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seeing as my first name is Moses.
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burn in hell.
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As much as I might've taken him as a political douchebag, there's no questioning the relevance of Charlton Heston. Much like John Wayne, he may not have been the greatest actor in the world, but he was a presence. He will be missed...
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Three orders of march:
"When I signal you to come, you come. When I signal you to charge, you charge. When I signal you to retreat, you follow me and run like hell." -
Was truly larger than life. One of the great icons of film. I will forever love his work in "Planet of the Apes" and "The Ten Commandments." Rest in Peace, Mr. Heston.
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Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
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The Ten Commandments, which ABC used to run every Easter. Didn't actually stay awake until the end until about the 4th time i tried to watch it though. Probably still my favorite of his. The phrase "They don't make em like they used to" definitely applies to Heston's epics like this one and Ben-Hur.
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Either pedal your trash somewhere else or try to act like a human being rather than a vile, cold, scummy, cold-hearted creep.
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You're pathetic. People like you not only give us genuine liberals a bad name, but you embarrass yourself. Whatever his politics, Heston is a legend, and the world is a lesser place without him.
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It's a shame he is gone.
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Mr Heston had that quality which meant you could watch any film he appeared in, no matter how good or bad, on the strength of his performance alone. very few have ever carried that ability, unless i am mistaken now only Mr Eastwood is left. my favourite performance shall always be Planet Of The Apes, which i imagine goes for many of us here.
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He was one of that small bunch of actors that although they've appeared in some poor films as well as some iconic ones, I can never remember a poor performance from him
He also seemed to be a man of principles, which is rare in any age.
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"infamous advocate"? Get over yourself.
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im off to the funeral to collect on a gun...heston was an actor with a fuckin big mouth...funny how his greatest roles were playing a lib or in movies with a liberal bent...and i do believe that he gave shatner acting lessons....damn you....damn you all to hell
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Did you really have to go that far or have you no sense of decency?
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... and remember how this man was THE MAN.And as a card-carrying member of the NRA, I might go out and buy a handgun tomorrow, because unlike some of you pole-smoking hippies, I actually lover ALL of my freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and I'm not trying to take any of those freedoms away from anyone.You either support all of the Bill of Rights, you fucking cock-smokers, or you don't support any of them.Shit or get off the pot. Heston took his stand, his stand for the Bill of Rights. ALL OF THEM.
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while it may not have been fair for moore to have interviewed a man in the throes of alzheimers, as the prez of the nra, heston had alot to answer for
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while it may not have been fair for moore to have interviewed a man in the throes of alzheimers, as the prez of the nra, heston had alot to answer for
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after a performance at the Kennedy Center. He was a real joy to talk with, and never refused to sign anything put in front of him. I really believe he saw his celebrity as an honor, and valued the fans. My all-time favorite has passed, and I'll always treasure the time I spent talking with him back in '86. Godspeed, Chuck.
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heston as a mexican???? hahahahahahah...he couldnt even play a convincing jew...but remember....SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE...cuz with the enviroment and the economy going the way it is, that movie will become fact
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The other two were Widmark and Scofield.
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Where are the truly masculine actors like him to be found now? All we have now are pretty boy models who have zero talent whatsoever and get roles based on appearance. The pussies in Cloverfield and the new so called "Captain Kirk" come to my mind.
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"In his earlier years, Heston was a liberal Democrat, campaigning for Presidential candidates Adlai Stevenson in 1956 and John F. Kennedy in 1960. A civil rights activist, he accompanied Martin Luther King Jr. during the civil rights march held in Washington, D.C. in 1963...In 1968, following the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, Heston...called for public support for President Johnson's Gun Control Act of 1968...He was also an opponent of McCarthyism and racial segregation, which he saw as only helping the cause of Communism worldwide. He opposed the Vietnam War and considered Richard Nixon a disaster for America. He turned down John Wayne's offer of a role in The Alamo, because the film was a right-wing allegory for the Cold War."
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Rest In Peace to Mr. Heston, one of the greats. An old-time bonafide Hollywood movie star of the finest caliber.In later years I enjoyed some of his supporting/cameo roles in True Lies and Tombstone.And whoever said that politics should be left out of it is right. The fact that Mr. Heston, a conservative as I am as well, is gone is the story that matters here.
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or you might just miss the genius.
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I live forever! HAHAHAHAHA!
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At least the man wasn't a hypocrit. And as far as the 2nd Amendment goes, could someone explain how... wait no, that has nothing to do with Heston's film career.
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I have images of the TCM crews scrambling right now.
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Of course now I am being a hypocrite bringing politics into the discussion. Oh well...
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if you think your ak or shotgun is gonna protect you from a government that has an army that is better trained and armed, then please, give me the stuff that you are smoking...and explain to me how a handgun does anything? the right to bear arms was created in order for states and municipalities to form a well regulated militia...and that we have, in the form of police depts and the national guard...and the supreme court has ruled that government is allowed to place controls on gun ownership, cuz if that wasnt true, i could own a tank or an atom bomb...and god, are all you wingnuts clueless?? our economy is in a shambles, we are stuck in a quagmire in both iraq and afghanistan, but thank god he didnt live to see a dem prez??? shit, he didnt even know that bush was prez, cuz like your god reagan, he died a drooling, bed wetting mess....good fucking riddance
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Exactly, he was a man of principle. Whether you agreed with them is a different matter but its a rare thing, especially these days and you have to respect that.
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Mr. Heston. You will forever be one of the greats.
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This is my first post in a long, long time. I logged on tonight and after reading this and receiving an email from a friend, and expecting more, I realize what a man the entertainment world has lost. Truly the twilight of the Golden Age. For guys of my generation, Heston defined heroism in the same way I suppose that John Wayne did for the previous generation of guys. Except, after watching a Heston a zillion times in so many films, you see the seriousness and hard work he could put into even the more flawed films, and the screen still oozed coolness.
The sad truth is that we have no more leading men in the country that we have not imported from the rest of the Enlish-speaking world. Our American actors are all pretty boys, or comedic actors. It's just sad to see classic age pass by. -
his most famous roles were either playing a lib, a homosexual, or being in liberally oriented movies
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When they were filming The Ten Commandments, it came time to shoot the scene where God speaks to Moses through the burning bush. Remember how God told Moses to remove his sandals, because the ground he was standing on was holy? When they were about to film Moses returning from the encounter, Charlton Heston told director Cecil B. De Mille "You know, if someone was told by God Himself to go set His people free, do you really suppose that person would take the time to put his sandals back on?" That's why we see Moses barefoot when he's walking back down from the mountain. I've always thought that anecdote said a lot about the kind of person that Charlton Heston was, that even though he was an actor playing a part he was think of details like that.
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could an actor's death delve into politics.
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RIP Chuck...
Oh, and please: could all the trolls (both left and right) keep political issues - unless they are of the informative nature, like mostholy and co. provided - out of the obituary? This is a blatant display of disrepect and insecurity. And that comes from a bona fide liberal who admires the ACTOR enough to use one of his roles as a screen name. -
It's so tough to explain. I know so many people that scream out his famous lines and laugh, but it's done out of respect for Heston. Maybe it was because he was the embodiment of a star that he could always be so much larger than life on screen. My kids can't understand why I laugh my ass off on SpongeBob every time Plankton speaks.
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Apr 06, 2008 1:01:21 AM CDT
You just know Charlton Heston is in heaven right now...
by excaliburffolkes
...hanging out with all those legendary men he portrayed on the silver screen.
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I would hate to sit in a room with bacci40 and watch a film. Between hearing what a hypocrite an actor was for playing a role and then trying to distill a left-right divide, I might actually forget to have fun. You must be great at parties.
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Apr 06, 2008 1:03:17 AM CDT
I am sure he and Phil Hartman are having a blast right now
by quigonnjin&tonic
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We ALL die a drooling, bed-wetting mess.
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He was a larger than life actor. Brilliant in Touch of Evil. His relatively brief performance in Branagh's Hamlet is still a highlight of the picture (delivering the "out, out, thou strumpet Fortune" soliloquy). He'll be missed.
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It's impossible to sum up how great this man's filmography was, so I won't even try. And like Moriarty said, you have to respect his political courage, and not just his NRA work - he was marching for civil rights when beloved liberal politicians like JFK were still making Martin Luther King Jr. come in through the servant's entrance. And I know this will get me in trouble with some, but his NRA work was virtuous too. The ACLU defends the rights of the KKK to say what they want so schlubs like me can speak out; the NRA fights anti-gun legislation so guys like my father up in the Adirondacks can keep a gun on him while he's walkin in the woods, you know, so he's not eaten by the South Park woodland critters or something. And my guilty pleasure Heston flick? The Warlord. He does the Prima Nocti bit from Braveheart and steals a dude's wife and HESTON'S THE GOOD GUY.
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I loved the "Agony and the Ecstacy". An excellent portrait of an artist that transcends time. I love the scence where he tells the prudish cardinal that he will continue to portray man "NAKED! THE WAY GOD CREATED HIM!" No one could deliver a line like Heston. The man just worked so hard at his craft, no wonder he was intimidating even in roles that were not tough-guy roles, as the above.
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...on IMDB. Is it really fair that one man could have appeared in so many great films? It must be some kind of record! Has anyone watched Khatoum? Absolutely brilliant in that..
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I just hope people don't make a political statement against him at this time. He needs to be remembered for what made him famous - his great acting career. The man was/is Judah Ben Hur.
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He's just trying to stir up shit. Ignore it. I don't give a fuck what your political affiliations are, what you believe in, what you DON'T believe in, WHATEVER. Whatever Heston stood for doesn't matter. The fact is, the man was a legend. A one of a kind, unique, awesome fucking legend. Charlton Heston will be remembered long after we're all dead, and he fucking deserves it. He was a presence, a voice, a charisma that is undeniable. Nothing he has said or done can ever take away from the fact that Charlton Heston is an icon who will outlive us all, and God fucking bless him for it.
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Man, I thought I was the only guy to have seen that movie. I remember watching it late at night on cable when I was a kid. Heston was so much a part of my movie-watching childhood, especially when it came to epics on television. These were real movies you could sit and watch with your parents without being embarassed, even parts like "The Warlord".
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I think Major Dundee was referenced. An excellent line that only Charlton Heston could deliver: "By the end of the night, I want everyone drunker than a fiddler's bitch."
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we'll miss ya, Charlie
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The Michael Moore bashers could learn from this stance. The person's politics don't taint everything they ever do. I disagree with Heston's religious, political, and social ideas, but I loved his acting and respect the hell out of his body of work.
Meanwhile, I know people who will never, ever watch "Sicko", even though it's relevant to all Americans and doesn't push a liberal agenda. They hate Moore and his political leanings SO MUCH that they can't even listen to him when he says, "Hey. This hurts ALL of us, liberals and conservatives alike."
Spite like that is why things never get fixed. One side is willing to agree to disagree and work together, and the other spits on our shoes and swears at us.
Charlton Heston was not a man I'd want to be friends with, but he was a master of his craft and we all owe his memory some respect, no matter what our political, religious, or social background.
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Because in 1968 he had the balls to make a movie called PLANET OF THE APES. Who knew such a stupid-ass premise would make such a classic film. Answer: He did. And he was willing to risk being ridiculed, while also making a pretty strong anti-war anti-nuclear weapon statement. Sound like a conservative fanatic to you? How about his hooking up with the black chick in THE OMEGA MAN? Or SOYLENT GREEN, which is really just a worst-case-scenario of bad environmental policy and corporate greed. Sound like a blind right-winger? No. He knew and loved a good story, The End. As a boy growing up in that time, he was the kind of actor you would watch to see what it is to be a real man. Thanks, Chuck.
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My most used Heston quote is from "True Lies" - "You really screwed the pooch on this one." And anyone else remember wheh Phil Hartman was impersonating Heston on SNL and was pretending to do an audiobook of Madonna's Sex book? "I love my vagina" said with Chuck's diction was comedy gold.
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The man was 83, not 84. AP should check its facts more carefully.
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who has had so many memorable lines from so many movies?
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clearly know how to fuck up an obituary. Kudos to y'all.
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I always get a real chuckle from the scene in Soylent Green where he walks into the girls' party, grabs a cigarette, takes a drag, and says, "if I had the bread, I would smoke 2 . . 3 of these a day." Brilliant delivery, he never lets onto the joke.
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but he wasnt an actor, he was a movie star...nobody chewed up the scenery like heston...they are almost all gone, the real men of movies
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Love to Hartman and Heston.
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in Harry's Heston obituary. Ask him about being in the club when Dimebag got shot. He was there, man! Just like a million other Pantera knuckleheads that were there. And don't get him started on prolapsed colons. He LOVES prolapsed colons.
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I'm not American by birth so I hope someone can help me. I don't want to start a shitstorm here, I just want an answer. Let's say Charlton Heston is the liberal's version of George Clooney. (just roll with me here). Most liberals love Heston's work but hate his politics. The weird thing is, I've never heard a US liberal say "Charlton Heston should die." But I have heard many US conservatives say "George Clooney should die." Now, I'm not talking way out liberals. Just normal ones. Are more conservatives just more way right than liberals are way left? The perfect example is the person below who says something like: "Normal Liberals?" I can feel it coming. But like I said, I just want to know. It's just really weird. It's like a football club that's got really devoted crazy fans, and another club who's fans are just kind of sitting there.
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Charleton Heston... you'll be missed undubedably
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You will be sorely missed.
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One of the finest, most underrated TV mini-series of all time. I remember watching this when it first aired on TV and was riveted. (Too bad a badly edited version is the only one available here in the States.) Chiefs was touted as Heston's first major TV role and although he wasn't the central focus of the decades-long story, his character served as the backbone to everything. He will definitely be missed.
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I have yet to read a valid statement you've typed. What in the fuck does the role a person play have to do with their beliefs? Was Brokback Mountain moot b/c the main stars weren't gay?What does fighting the government have to do with the right to bear arms (esp. an A bomb or tank)?What does having a mental illness have to do with a person's life? Is Nitzche irrelevant because he went insane in his later years? No. Sit down and let the adults have a discussion and dialogue about a man who just passed on.
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and like all wingnuts, you live in a strange world that doesnt exist...the right to bear arms has nothing to do with protecting yourself against the tyranny of the government...that is not what it says in the constitution....but if you think you can go toe to toe with a hardcore marine, more power to ya....ill dance on your grave...and i will demean anyone i wish....and im glad that both heston and reagan died blithering idiots...karma...it is a bitch
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Great actor very good role model indeed
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... Really impress me, and bring into focus a more rounded figure than I had expected.
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One of the greatest actors of all time.
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Dataset, it's funny you should mention Clooney, because once Clooney made a derogatory comment about Heston's Alzheimers and when he was called out on it said Heston deserved it because of his involvement with the NRA. So maybe that throws some light on things for you.
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Vote Libertarian!
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Putting in the DVD right now. Pouring one out for Mr. Heston.
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A lot of old people die like Reagan and Heston, and there is a good chance that someone in your family will also become senile with age. Perhaps you. You need to think about that, son.
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I suppose there are a lot of mourning fanboys out there stuck to their computers, pouring out a drink . . .
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..thank you for a lot of wonderful memories..you will be missed
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is that too many people will remember him for his conservative political views in regards to gun rights. Many people will forget that during the 1960's he was one of the celebrities who marched with MLK and supported Civil Rights for African Americans. It's too bad because too many young people will only see him as a villain because of the shit bag moore.
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That's one of my favourite Cameron movies (#3 of the top 3. #1 is Aliens #2 is Terminator 2), and Heston's brief 2 scenes are just absolute gold. "So far, this is not blowing my skirt up, gentlemen..."
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I know Heston did, well, almost every movie ever, but his True Lies role will go down as my personal fav.
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first Charlton Heston show i saw i was hooked
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... with all due respect, lick me. I'm a gun owner. I was raised in a gun owning household. I have no problems at all with the NRA. But many people do, and Heston was a lightning rod for controversy. That's the truth. Acknowledging that is hardly a reason for you to act like a fucking cock.
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And I just saw Tombstone again the other day to kill time, just waiting for that cameo. . .
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tonites Charlton Heston's wake!!! pour one for our lost friend!!!
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I absolutely loved him in True Lies. Why Marvel didnt get on the ball and make a Nick Fury film immediately after is a mystery to me. Now,all we have to look fwd to is Shaft-as-Fury. Oh well,I can always read Garth Ennis's FURY and imagine Chucks voice.
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his answer to his nagging wifes (played by Ava Gardner) question: "Where do you think you're going?".."Anywhere..(pause)..a bar!" The way he delivers that line cracks me up
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The man was an honesty to god forward thinker when it came to Civil Rights and that is way more important than gun rights. So I would give the man a pass on his NRA ties because of the fact that he was ahead of his times when it came to Civil Rights. Check your history, there were quite a few people in that time who completely dropped the ball on that issue, but yet he was not one of them.
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So a tasteless joke is enough to wish someone dead? Clooney's a douchebag. But I like his movies. Heston's a bit off too. But I love Omega Man, El Cid and Apes. My question is, why do US liberals say things like "Bush is a retarded monkey idiot" and US conservatives say things like "Hillary should FUCKING DIE"? It doesn't make any sense to me. It's like night and day difference.
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I've just looked into my palantir and saw your future. You will also die a blithering idiot. I think we all can see a little evidence of it right now.
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My favorite line from "Ten C". Did a research paper at CB D's estate in 1986 - it had tons of crap just sitting around (what had not been donated to Brigham Young). Was given some Paramount stationary from the movie - I would have killed for (one of) the Moses prop staffs sitting in a closet!!! The estate was BIZARRE. Nearly 30 years after his death, the staff of CB DeMille had to turn down his bed every night, and make it up in the morning! The house was razed in the 90s, I think.
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There are people in this very talkback thrilled he's gone and wanted to rub it in. Happy?
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I see no difference between extremists. Sorry.
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Clooney said it alright. And it was funny...THEN. Just not right now. I'm sure Clooney himself would say that. A legend is a legend and politics do not take anything away from that. You all need to fucking chill. We're here to talk about this man's amazing career and his stature on the big screen, go get in a pissing match somewhere else, please.
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RIP you gun crazy nutjob.
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You people that are happy he died are sad. Seriously you need to get out more often.
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He was in many of my favorite movies of all time, like "The Big Country", "Ben-Hur" and of course "Planet of the Apes"
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Has anyone mentioned that during the siege of Koresh in Waco the FBI contacted Heston to record his voice as the voice of God ordering them out of the compound? They never used it, but could you imagine? There may have been a better resolution to that whole mess.
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rest in peace
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perhaps unmatched. One thing's for sure, the likes of Moore and Clooney will never come close to his greatness in film or life...part of some of the greatest films, to state the obvious. God has blessed you in life Mr. Heston, I'm sure the blessings will be multiplied in heaven.
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Yeah, there's attention seekers and shock whores who'll say they're glad Heston is dead. But where were they BEFORE he died? I'm just making an observation. I see this kind of behavior a lot here. Weak liberals and strong conservatives. It's like Americans don't really know what a liberal is. Clinton and Obama are both, by world standards, very right wing. McCain has very little to set him apart from them. My family and friends back home all see that, but they like all three. Sure, they're further right than they may like, but they're all three smart enough to be America's next president. My father thinks American liberals should grow a pair and realize that the moral high ground does nothing against those who want them dead. European liberals and the Catholic Church took the moral high ground and were overrun by Nazis.
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I am about to be a new dad, and as selfish as this may sound, one of the reasons I want to have a son (I have kept the sex a secret, I still don't know) is so that I can, yes, indoctrinate him in the truly cool films of my own childhood. I know it won't completely work, but just as Heston reached across generations for me, I have a feeling I will be sitting with my boy enjoying seeing his films again (scene chewing and all) through his eyes as if for the first time.
A great quote from Moby Dick (the book, not the movie):
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Do you have anything substantial, any hard data ? Harry ?
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good to see some True Lies love in this unholy TB.
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he actually paid to see heston in two stage plays
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I wasn't saying I wished Clooney were dead or that that was OK. But you seemed to imply that conservatives wish harm to celebrity liberals while liberals don't wish harm to celbrity conservatives. I was just pointing out that the example you used for a celebrity liberal once made a tasteless joke about the person you used as an example of a celebrty conservative, and Clooney then implied Heston deserved Alzeimers. It was just some food for thought, that's all. I think we all need to chill out about politics and see the good in people like Heston who had a unique talent and could fill up a giant screen like no one else.
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from my cold dead motherfuckin hands
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I guess this is the appropriate moment to ask for the Extended Cut on DVD. Bring on the Heston deleted scenes!
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My respect for Charlton Heston stems from Planet of the Apes,what an immortal classic,remembering the first time I saw that film as a kid with my Dad and the silence that followed in the room when it ended is something that I will always treasure.Charlton Heston broke down the Sci-fi barriers with that one,respect............
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Chuck gave films geeks a ton of great, even unmatched performances in genre films. Too bad these talkbacks devolved into politics and curse words within minutes.
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Apr 06, 2008 2:52:44 AM CDT
I'm a gun owner. my whole family is. we throw gun parties
by orionsangels
guns make my cock hard. shooting a deer gives me a boner. whatever mori. i'll never understand the love for guns in this country.
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I don't think that is what Mori was saying... it's like, I like my car, but I don't love my car, but I wouldn't want to live without my car. I don't fuck my car, or throw parties about my car, or kill things (on purpose) with my car. I like having a car, because I don't want to not have my car when I need to use my car.
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Every time a Hollywood notable dies, the first thing I do is come here to see who wrote a heartfelt and passionate obit. One of the best ways AICN contributors let their true love of film shine.
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I was going to let it go, but seriously, grow up. You're a parent what, twice over now? It's below you to act so immature in a response to a talkbacker(especially since he had a decent point). In a obit article, no less. At least count to ten before you fly off the handle, bud.
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that's all I'm saying. Glad he's dead. Even if he did a handful of a few good movies because of good scripts.
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Anyone who says they're glad he's dead is simply pathetic. To find joy in the suffering and passing of another (save for someone who had done other humans and the world immense harm such as a Hitler or a Stalin)... I can't even begin to think of the right words for how disgusting that is.
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I don't own a gun, but my father owns several. I grew up in - and he still lives in - a small town in upstate New York. There's no local police force there - nor is there one in a lot of towns in that area. There's only the state police, and if someone's breaking into the house or some other danger it would quite possibly take over 30 minutes for any sort of police presence to arrive. Plus there are wild animals on our property, including bears and mountain lions, both of which I've seen there with my own eyes. Sometimes those things become rabid and that's not a fun situation either. When facing these things when help is a good ways away, to paraphrase Aliens, what are you supposed to use, harsh language? I know guns are a curse in many areas of the country, but in some places they're a vital part of protecting life. Heston stood up for that, and in the process stood up for a lot of things that were unpopular. It's like the ACLU. An example: I live in DC and last Veteran's Day I was walking downtown and came across some of those nutjobs that picket soldiers' funerals because they believe that our military deaths are retribution for our country allowing abortion and homosexuality. "God Loves Dead Soldiers" read several of their placards. Now I wanted to tear these bastards limb from limb when I first saw them, and they were surrounded by police or I'm sure some of the vets I saw would have done just that. The point is the ACLU protects the rights of us all to speak out by also protecting these morons. The NRA defends the right of my Dad to keep himself and my mother (and me when I was a kid) safe by defending some weirdo's right to collect AK-47s or fighting DC's handgun ban. I'm sorry if I've rambled, but I've always had a lot of respect for Heston both as an actor and as a man, and just wanted to say my piece.
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we'll take it from your cold dead hands, if you don't mind
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Yep he even played God in a Paul Hogan film. Heston is my all time hero. He was the MAN. He was the definition of blockbuster hollywood star. Mesmerizing and commanding voice that no one could even come close to matching. El CID, Ben Hur, Planet of the Apes, The Ten Commandments, Omega Man, The greatest show on earth, would have been lesser films without him. I will now watch El CID, and see you ride off to into the heavens as a dead but glorious knight. RIP Lord of the cinema.
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A couple people mentioned Hartman doing Heston on SNL... I remember the sketch they did with him where he was giving an interview about sequels to Soylent Green. "Thanks to this Soylent White, we have all the paper we'll ever need." "Soylent White is people! It's peopllllllllllllllllllllllle!"
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They said they changed the recipe, but they lied. It's still made out of people!!!
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I hated his super conservative views - you bet your sweet ass I'm glad he's dead. If it weren't for that, I would be upset, but nope. Not sad at all. I get no pleasure, but I'm not sad.
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And I mean the only one of the GREATS of golden age cinema that still lives amongst us.
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"I get no pleasure,..."How can something that makes you glad not give you pleasure?? Go read a book.
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*snoogans*
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need to meet in the park and fuck each other in the ass for a few days and maybe you'll feel better about your self-esteem issues. I bet you pussies are afraid of the fucking dark too you ignorant goddamn wretches. And that dumb shit stain that said they're glad he's dead needs to pull his head out of his ass and quit sniffing his own shit because it's making him a retarded pole smoking cum dumpster. It's too bad his ghost doesn't show up and skull fuck you to death. It would be fitting.
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Planet of the Apes
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I don't care if Mori has guns. I'm just tired of that same ol' excuse from gun owners. *Well my whole family uses guns, my dog and cat use guns and my ancestors used guns etc.* Just say the real reason. I love the power I feel when I shoot guns.
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...that really came out of left field. to mr heston: you will be missed. even in your smaller parts you really brought something to a movie that made your scenes more real and made the movie more enjoyable. may whatever forces oversee this universe smile upon you.
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Its because of Heston's smaller "parts" that he loved guns so much.
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Easy to bandy words and paltitudes at a time like this. It's even easier for the sinvelling cowards to crawl out from under their rocks, empty their little venom sacs of disrespect by spitting out insults before slithering back in to obscurity.
But Heston achieved more in one lifetime than most of us ever will. He WAS the embodiment of the Hollywood leading man. His legacy isn't just the films he made, but those whose template are Heston films.
He was the guy, like John Wayne that America could look up to and aspire to be. He was the embodiment of America, as it saw itself. Perpetual square jawed hero.
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POTA,BTPOTA,Soylent Green and especially Omega Man were the shit of legends.These films were not only dysotopian but credible for it's underlying social commentary.Chuck owned these roles and I will always remember him for said classics. (Ten Commandments as well.)But I question what made someone who was a Civil rights activist, defender of the lil' guy into this arrogant Ultra con? Cynicism? Reaganism? A new found perspective on society? however, I go back and forth on the NRA. Yes, any decent citizen should have the right to protect him/herself, but the question of small arms being in the hands of some unruly bastards like those sick fuckers Kliebold and harris (rot and hell and drown in maggots, bitches.)or children who mistake guns as toys?Chuck trashed rapper Ice-T for his controversial thrash metal song;Cop Killer (which was really an anti police brutality song and not calling for the death of all Police officers..just the bad ones.oops!)Ice T then said, he would like to rip his head off.
As for Moore's ambush, well it's guerella documentary at it's finest,I don't condone what Moore did, but i understand how he had to get the message through to the viewers.When moore questioned Chuckie about his stance on the NRA,Heston muttered something (if I recall)about certain "people' who are a trheat to this nation (minorities) Man Chuck have ye changed, just like Reagan who as a young adult during the segragation era had invited Blacks to stay at his house and have breakfast the next morning, only to evolve into the pennicle of conservatism, who fucked over the poor and opressed.Thanks for the Memories Chuck, but look at how the legacy of conservatism has done to this Country, i hope you realized it was all for naught before you passed. R.I.P. -
Don't be such a dumb cracker. He might have been a conservative gun nut, but there's more to a man than just his views on the 2nd amendment.
He was one of the greats of the silver screen and he's gone to that great Planet of the Apes in the sky ... wait ... Statue of Liberty? ... that was *our* planet! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!
p.s. godspeed, good sir.
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Since handguns were banned in D.C. in the 70s, the city has only had 8,400 gun related deaths. Sounds like it's working just fine...
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Gun control works. if you don't believe it. do some research. only reason you would be against it is because you're a typical evil human who has destruction in their blood.
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...You're not allowed to have one here in London unless you're a criminal...
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more apples, more chances for bad apples. When a person or persons go wrong. The media puts all this focus and attention on it and makes it seem like it's an epidemic. Immediatly they blame guns. If they didn't have guns this would have never happened. Well if it wasn't a gun it would have been a knife or baseball bat. If you're that fucked in the head you'll find a way to kill either way.
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The Ten Commandemts is a camp classic, Yule Breyner, stomping around as Pharroh, the Queen in her gold lamai and red libstick throwing herself at Moses, who seems to be going for stoic or serious but looks constipated...then there was his voice work in 1997's Hercules "Well, you GO girl!" Right up there with Shatner I tell you.
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Just like every one of us.
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Seeing as a pre-teen OMEGA MAN and SOYLENT GREEN on a double bill made me a fan for life. Re-watched both recently and Chuck is still the man. Watched 10 Commandments about 2 weeks ago, still one of my faves from childhood. Now he is off on the next great adventure..the unknown. Your work will live on.
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Can we now go back to mourning, while waiting for Monday morning and the next batch of "leaked" Iron Man pics?
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thanks for some great movies.
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Apr 06, 2008 6:10:23 AM CDT
Politics aside it is rarely right to be so happy to see someone
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Sympathies then go to his family.
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...was a great, hugely under appreciated Heston film that he starred in opposite James Coburn, Barbara Hershey and Michael Parks. One of the last great westerns from that generation of tough guy actors, and Heston was absolutely great in it (al was Coburn). If you haven't seen it and love a good western, hunt it down and check it out. Rest in peace Chuck, and thanks for all the memories and entertainment over the years.
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Charlton Heston made his acting debut in the title role of "Peer Gynt" in 1941, but then didn't begin acting regularly in films until 1950 when he played Antony in "Julius Caesar". He apeared in the film "Dark City" that same year.He worked on television and in films regularly after that. Career highlights include "The Greatest Show On Earth" (1952), "Pony Express" (1953), "The Ten Commandments" (1955 - he played Moses), Orson Welle's "Touch of Evil" (1958), the lead in "Ben Hur" (1959 - for which he won
his only Oscar nomination), El Cid (1961), "The Greatest Story Ever
Told" (1965), "The Agony and The Ecstacy" (1965) "The Planet Of The
Apes" (1968 - and sequels), the title role in "Will Penny" 1968).
He played the role of Marc Antony yet again in a 1970 version of
Julius Caesar.He was the lead in "The Omega Man" (1971 - recently remade as "I Am Legend" with Will Smith), Antony yet again in "Antony and Cleopatra"
(1972) "Skyjacked" (1972), "Soylent Green" (1973), "Airport '75" (1974), "Earthquake" (1974), "Midway" (1976), "Two Minute Warning" (1976) and "Grey Lady Down" (1978).He returned to television in 1985 to appear as family patriarch Jason Colby in the "Dynasty" spin-off "The Colbys". He appeared in a TV
remake of "A Man For All Seasons" in 1988. He guest hosted Saturday
Night Live in 1987 and again in 1993, the year he appeared in the SNL spin-off movie "Wayne's World II".He was in "Tombstone" 91993), bossed Arnold Schwarzenegger in "True Lies" (1994), narrated "Armageddon" (1998), was in "Any Given Sunday"
(1999), did animation voice work for "Cats & Dogs" (2001) and had a
cameo in the 2001 remake of "Planet Of The Apes".A couple of his best known film quotes are
"Get your hands off me, you damn dirty ape!" and "It's people - Soylent Green is people!"In addition to his over-a-half century long acting career, Charlton Heston served his country in the Air Force during World War Two, marched with Martin Luther King during the civil rights movement in the early '60s and served as president of the National Rifle Association as an outspoken advocate for the right to bear arms from 1998 to 2002.By Hollywood standards perhaps his most remarkable achievement was that he remained married to the same woman for 64 years. He was a loving husband, father and grandfather.Of course, in his films he parted the Red Sea, painted the ceiling of
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I am more than aware of Heston marching with King during the Civil rights era. (If you read my post careflly, I noted him for once being a Civil rights activist and defender of the lil' guy.)and to use racial epithets like "cracker" shows your mentality or lacktherof.
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Apr 06, 2008 6:45:29 AM CDT
Orionsangels: "if it wasn't a gun it would have been a knife or
by bobo_vision
The thing is, using a knife or baseball bat requires work, and makes murder much more personal. A gun allows a person the opportunity to blow someone away in a detached manner, and to feel like a cowboy at the same time. Plus it requires little more than the twitch of a trigger finger so lazy murderers can do it with ease. You aren't going to hear about too many mass school, mall, or workplace stabbings, or baseball bat assaults, because after the first one or two, people would take them down. And a person is going to get really tired after bludgeoning the first couple of people to death with a baseball bat. They would have to sit down and take a breather.
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Apr 06, 2008 6:49:43 AM CDT
The appropriately named 'messi' is from england...
by stalin vs predator
So it's best to ignore it, just as its place of origin is ignored by anyone but a steadily diminishing handful of tourists "going to see the queen". :)
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what, you hate black people or something?
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I'm a little shaky on who started what back in the late 60's, but I thought that it was POTA fans who started dressing up and holding conventions and shit, and Trek fans and then Star Wars fans basically muscled in on their action. If POTA invented being a geek, than in many ways this site exists because of Heston's work in the first one.
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I don't hate any race, just individual douchebag trolls like yourself. XD
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R.I.P.
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He is one of the last great actors of all time. I gotta head out in a few minutes. I wish I could say more now,but how can you sum up his career in just a few words?
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Paul Newman and Ernest Borgnine
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I wonder if there'll be a shitload of "I hated her politics and I'm not sad she's dead" and "Burn in Hell Hanoi Jane" posts? Really people.
Mr. Heston's work is what I will remember most about him. Even so, I have to marvel at his evolving views. Some I agree with, others not so much. But's so beside the point.
Sleep well Mr. Heston.
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Btw, talkbackers, I have to admit - when I heard the news and let it sink in, one of my first thoughts was his politics (which on gun control I happen to agree with) and how they might, for some narrow minded fools, overshadow his legend. I can honestly say, that after reading most of the posts here, it really is nice to see folks putting politics aside and honoring a screen legend and a great man. Sure some can't look past his NRA involvement as if it is some crime to support the 2nd amendment, but surely his work in support of MLK jr. is evidence enough that there was more to this man than could be summed up in in just a few words.
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He showed a complete lack of common decency in his treatment of Mr Heston. Heston was suffering from alziemers, is Clooney's elder and a screen legend. Clooney came off like a complete asshole and a hypocrite, considering the number of films he made that involved shooting guns... Anytime anyone says what a swell guy CLooney is, I just remember that whole situation and shake my head. Even given the chance to apologize for his remarks, CLooney refused. What kind of man is that?
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Oh that's right...Harry, his boss, had to come and put the smack-down on McWeeny and tell him to stop being a dick about bad-mouthing Anna Nichole...yet he let's him praise Chuck Heston who, let's face it, is no better. Sorry McWeeny, or whatever your real name is. Your dreams of "getting into movies" kind of stagnated, didn't it?
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Charlton Heston announced again today that he is suffering from Alzheimer's."
When Smith asked the actor if he went too far with his remarks, Clooney -- who's against the gun lobby -- responded, "I don't care. Charlton Heston is the head of the National Rifle Association; he deserves whatever anyone says about him."
According to the Internet Movie Database, Heston responded to Clooney's remarks by noting the "class" of the actor's late aunt, singer-actress Rosemary Clooney.
"It just goes to show that sometimes class does skip a generation," Heston was reported as saying.
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Heston starred in one of my favourite films as a child- planet of the apes. Hence the handle. He will truly be missed. He was one of the greats, no matter what his political views
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Heston starred in one of my favourite films as a child- planet of the apes. Hence the handle. He will truly be missed. He was one of the greats, no matter what his political views
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he may be talented, but he deserves to di.... oh, wait! No.
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"I wrote him a letter saying I usually avoid making jokes at people's expense, so I'm sending you an apology, and I got a really nice letter back from his wife", says CLooney. Much better ending to the story, but still unfortunate to let politics bring out the dick in ya.
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Overpopulation,Global energy crisis,some neo fascist-esque rule(Ok maybe I exagerrated on the last one.)is it too far fetched?
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Some points to think about...
1.) Mass shootings always happen in "gun free" zones. 2.)Nobody ever thanks a gun for missing, therefore why do we blame the gun for hitting its mark? 3.)Americans have the right to choose (so says great men and a great document) to not only protect themselves from criminals, but also a government that has gotten out of control. So should the government take that protection? 4.) 2nd amendment supporters are not rednecks or violent people, actually the vast majority have been raised to respect firearms and the resposibility it brings to own one...or a dozen. -
Then this is the site for you;
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Anyway, it only cost me $14.00 and $3.00 shipping (I live in the UK)
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the other day, after viewing the craptacular 'I am Legend' and enjoyed the heck out of it and Chuck's performance, and now this terrible news. It's a real kick in the guts to hear of his passing. The man was a tremendous talent. Rest in peace, Mr. Heston.
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Heston delivered on-screen entertainment. Even if you're not religiously inclined, he still captured your attention in films like Ben-Hur and The Ten Commandments. I'm glad he veered into science fiction in the late 60s and early 70s. Those were some fun films.
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He definitely knew how to keep the audience's eyes on the screen. I'm a particular fan of his Wanye's World 2 cameo.
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I saw Ben Hur as a child in 1959. My family went with neighbors who were vegetarians. When the fight broke out in the galley they got up and left, too much meat. But I sat enthralled at the chariot race and Heston the Man. Bye Chuck, a good life.
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pretty rich to call someone else a troll when you're badmouthing Charlton Heston on an AICN comments thread commemorating his passing.
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Alzheimer's is an excruciatingly slow, tortuous way to die. It strips everything from you--your whole identity. It deconstructs your personality, memories, and--ultimately--thoughts in the worst way. I wouldn't wish this disease on anyone. And I'm glad that Heston, who was always one of my favorite film actors growing up, is finally beyond that kind of suffering.RIP.
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Moses: The Lord, the Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen...
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The novel on which it is based, "Make Room!" by Harry Harrison, postulates that this future America, so badly overpopulated that we're eating each other and thousands of people sleep on stairways of NYC buildings and in vast junkyards of rusting cars, will have a population of...300 million people. Which is, you know, the number of people we've got. Harrison did not realize that the problems with having a population of that size would be "too many crappy townhouse projects everywhere and too many douchebags driving Ford Explorers and clogging up my highways" and not "Soylent Green is people!" Maybe someday the Malthusians will be right, but that day seems quite long in coming.
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RIP Heston...are there any great leading males left of the classical Hollywood era like Heston? Heston got started when the studios were beginning to go downhill but what a truly great actor of the end of the Hollywood era. It's amazing how effortlessly he carried massive epic films like The Ten Commandments, Ben-Hur, and El Cid. Compare him to someone like Orlando Bloom who kept Kingdom of Heaven (at least the director's cut) from being a epic masterpiece. I guess there's Russell Crowe, though, he has no problem carrying epics.
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a real legend bonafied badass man's man El Cid, Soylant, Apes, Ben Hur and the real non metrosexual Omega man
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you damned dirty reaper!
I used to have a bunch of his most famous lines as replacements for all of the windows sounds. Upon shut down you'd hear " SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEE!" -
I laughed hard through the whole episode.
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to Dr.Zauis (after realising that his friend was lobotomized): "You cut him up! You bloody baboon! You cut him up!"..i could go on and on..it was a pleasure growing up w/ him in the movies..
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It's proof he had a sense of humor about his image and/or was acknowledging the other side of the coin.
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My prayers go out to his family.My favorites are TOUCH OF EVIL, BEN HUR, EL CID, PLANET OF THE APES, HAMLET(Kenneth Branagh version - He was memorable as the Player King).
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If you haven't seen liberals saying that conservatives should die just go to The Huffington Post. You'll find it. Unfortunately you're likely to find that kind of language on both sides of the political landscape.
As for Mr. Heston, not nearly as familiar with his work other than POTA and The Ten Commandments as I should be, NetFlix is about to fix that though. RIP.
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if you think your ak or shotgun is gonna protect you from a government that has an army that is better trained and armed, then please, give me the stuff that you are smoking...and explain to me how a handgun does anything? the right to bear arms was created in order for states and municipalities to form a well regulated militia...and that we have, in the form of police depts and the national guard...and the supreme court has ruled that government is allowed to place controls on gun ownership, cuz if that wasnt true, i could own a tank or an atom bomb...and god, are all you wingnuts clueless?? our economy is in a shambles, we are stuck in a quagmire in both iraq and afghanistan, but thank god he didnt live to see a dem prez??? shit, he didnt even know that bush was prez, cuz like your god reagan, he died a drooling, bed wetting mess....good fucking riddance
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Apr 06, 2008 11:06:26 AM CDT
Bacci 40 = an idiot- or just ignorant of even recent history (Po
by 900lbgorilla
First off there are numerous examples of governments banning guns then running rough shod over its citizens as the post you replied to indicated ...but directly to your point….so you don’t think an armed citizenry can effect a government? Reeeeaaaally? And then you actually cite Iraq a few sentences later? Wow- 2+2 = WHAT? Armed Citizens and foreign nationals in Iraq have led the strongest military in the world to negotiate, and try to win over, and give more political power to sects that were the enemy a short time ago because they couldn’t be controlled….and why? Uh because they are armed. A couple decades ago a largely impoverished backwater armed populace with a little outside help also stopped the second most powerful military Juggernaught on the planet (The USSR) in a country called Afghanistan….Oh yeah…. and an armed populace with some organizational skills also defeated he most powerful military on the planet to give you the country you now live in so cluelessly.
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Apr 06, 2008 11:06:49 AM CDT
Bacci 40 = an idiot- or just ignorant of even recent history (Po
by 900lbgorilla
The Second Amendment was made so that Citizens could bear arms- and if you read many of the debates of the founders that meant ALSO AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should it get out of control, The Second Amendment actually says
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“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed///
Free State means free from all tyrants- most of whom were internal in the days this was written (The people who wrote this came from England after centuries of various internal tyranny over there- maybe you’ve read about it). But more to the point the RIGHT is CLEAR to anyone with 9th grade level of reading comprehension- The right of WHO to keep and bear arms Shall not be infringed???? Uh the People- this is not a States right-the State is not even referenced in the sentence that grants the right. Indeed NONE of the Bill of rights Amendments are States rights – except # 10 which is a right of both State and Citizen.
I won’t get started on “the Supreme court” which is often a body that rules based on politics due to who put them there and quite often makes one wonder if they can even read English with some of their amazingly unconstitutional Re-writings of the constitution Oh Er I mean their “ Judicial interpretations” of said document. Case in point They actually interpreted the first amendment to MEAN the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it ACTUALLY SAYS…but that’s another discussion).
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Apr 06, 2008 11:07:28 AM CDT
Bacci 40 = an idiot- or just ignorant of even recent history (Po
by 900lbgorilla
Anyway, Heston did likely die like Reagan a Drooling mess….so here at l/east I cannot dispute what you say…indeed in the end they thus both had the sad misfortune of learning how your average lib lives his entire life…but perhaps this helped make them humble at the end
(I wont get started on Iraq because you apparently need a complete history lesson on diplomacy with dictators in general and that situation in particular…and I’m not getting paid to start that class…(Though I will note that “W” has run the War as stupidly as the Libs ran Nam- but he does quite a few things that are clueless as well – the only funny thing is that you guys hate him so much- cause he really isn’t all that conservative except on a couple issues.)
Oh- and RIP Charles
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for overacting everywhere!
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Does anyone know where to find a Heston soundboard online?
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This is not a States right-the State is not even referenced in the SUBJECT SECTION OF THE sentence that grants the right.
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I love how that's the first thing on the tip of so many tounges here. No one bothers to mention the fact that the man marched with Dr. King long before the idea of a "progressive" Hollywood was the norm. You can't confine people and their philosophies to neatly defined quadrants. Not all liberals are well intentioned saint/martyrs. Not all conservatives are blood-thirsty capitalist vampires. Please do some research before blindly paroting the propaganda of either side.
To bust out one of my favorite latter day film quotes for the AICN crowd - "One thing doesn't make a man."
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My partner forced me to watch it after she read the book for class. I came out loving it. Be sure to check it out if you haven't seen it.
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10 Things I Hate About Commandments
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Yeah, my favorite movie of his was Planet Of The Apes, but that was a funny scene in Wayne's World, when the actor wasn't working out, so they asked for a better actor to read the lines, and Charleton Heston stepped in, and delivered a monologue that made Mike Myers cry. I didn't agree with a lot of his politics, but so what, he was a great actor, and seemed to have a sense of humor about himself. I seem to remember an interview he gave a few years ago, he actually apologized for some of the things he said as president of the NRA, he said he didn't always agree with some of their rhetoric, but he was an actor, and he viewed it as another role, you perform the lines given to you to the best of your ability.
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... and nobody's corrected TRON's assertion, way up there, that Charlton Heston (and not Burt Lancaster) played Robert Stroud in Birdman of Alcatraz. Oh well. For my money, nothing beats Planet of the Apes, where his overacting is put to the best use.
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That comment (which Moore connected to Columbine by way of clever editing) was made at the 2000 NRA convention in North Carolina - NOT the 1999 convention in Denver. RESEARCH YOUR OWN FACTS. I'm a lib, by the way. I just think Moore's a douchebag and it reflects poorly on the supposedly intelectually superior left when thier ranks can't even take the time to look into an issue before expressing their views on it... fuck.
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RIP, Charlton Heston. I'm gonna go outside and pour a 40 on the curb.
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but would love to read your take on iraq, im sure it would be a hoot, as you attempt to explain why the war was justified in the first place...and why does it seem that the 20 percent of bush supporters are all readers of aicn?
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Heston hated the British, too!
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Oh man, he hated the Scots even more than the Brits!
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I think you missed the "I'm a lib" part of my post. I agree with your point. I don't agree with using incorrect information to support an argument. Moore outright lies at certain points in his docs. That info is repeated by countless clowns who haven't dug into the issue themselves. That doesn't help any cause.
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Heston was a big fan of the Swedish bikini team (male AND female)!
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You internet geeks who liked I Am Legend more than the masterpiece of Omega Man!
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Looks like lots of liberals are glad Heston is dead. If you ever want to witness the dregs of humanity spewing the most vile things about people they disagree with, visit a liberal website. It's almost enough to vote for GWB ... again!
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didnt agree with his stance on guns. but as an actor he was one of the greats
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Nothing more need to be said
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Liberal. Conservative. It's America people. Think, vote, debate. We're stuck on this huge chunk of continent together like it or not. Enough with the histrionic name-calling, you spineless jingoistic weasels (See. Moderate-Libs can appreciate base irony.)
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Let a man die, right away he's 'Good old Claude.' How was he before he bucked out?"
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Good job showing those damned dirty apes who's boss. Also did a good job opposite the great Yul Brynner. Don't agree with some of his stances and sometimes heartless approach as NRA prez though. Perhaps just surrounded by one too many wackos. But a decent actor and not the perfect human being, but who is?
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Man, I can't honestly say that I'm a huge Heston fan. However, he is/was a silver screen legend; someone whose chisled visage was as iconic as some of the roles he played. I know that a number of his movies (BEN HUR, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, etc.) mean a lot to people around the world. Regards to his family and fans.
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of heaven he sees a glorious icon buried in the clouds, the statue of liberty, he immediately falls to his knees. you maniacs!
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... but sorry, we can't hide the truth. As an actor, he was just an OK one. He has an Oscar 'cause he was starring in Ben Hur (really same situation to Crowe beating Bardem in 2000, unfair win). Ben Hur is way overrated and it's frankly boring and a bad adaptation of the novel. And the guy's views were simply scary. I know we should say polite and nice things, but frankly, but I won't be missing him, at all.
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Look, man. This wasn't a personal attack. I thought I already gave one example of Moore's unethical film-making. Another that comes to mind is insinuating that Trey Parker and Matt Stone had something to do with the crowd pleasing (and ridiculous) animated scene in "Columbine". They didn't (source: Parker / Stone interview w/ the BBC). Then there's the "Free gun with bank account" scene. Moore called ahead two-weeks and made arrangements so that the 10-day waiting period wasn't shown on film (source: banker in charge of Moore's account by way of the Wall Street Journal). The Columbine plant hasn't produced WMDs since the '80s. In fact it was used to take nukes out of service at one point (source: Lockheed, Moore's own admission). These moves are at least obviously deceptive if you don't want to call them "outright lies". You'll find more inaccuracies if you look around. I feel the guy's on the same level as Limbaugh. Anyway- sorry for all the politics on a movie forum. I'm done. Good luck to all.
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this millionaire's family asking for donations for the flowers for the funeral? WTF???? How about a request of donations for the gunshots victims, instead? Seriously, Moriarty, you're spot on: MADHOUSEEEEEE
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You are obviously one dense *****.
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. . . with a cobalt casing. When detonated it would burn the planet to a cinder.
"How's that for your ultimate weapon."
I loved how he was able to continue the Taylor role in "Beneath", with the most cynical man having to become the champion of doomed mankind. The way he delivers that line, so dead-pan. He didn't even want to do the movie, but managed to steal the whole film again. Come on, the whole time you watch that movie you're just waiting for Taylor to make an appearance. Then he destroys the world. Can't go more over the top than that. -
but mori, why no mention of his portrayal of van gogh in "lust for life"? he was the *perfect* van gogh. and he and anthony quinn (as gauguin) were just electric together. heston said that he got so into his portrayal as van gogh that he kind of lost his own real identity for a bit during filming. sound familiar? (heath ledger, i'm lookin in your direction...)
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a Hollywood legend and icon. I will miss him and his work. Rest In Peace.
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Anyone read Heston's books? What was his experience working with Yul Brenner. I believe that while working on the Magnificent Seven, Steve McQueen and Brenner could not stand each other. Anything similar happen with CH?
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He'll long be remembered as a great actor & man, whom backed his words with ACTION...long after impotent hurlers of barbs turn to dust & blend together into generic nothingness. On a side note: I'm sure, Penn Gillette & Jackie Mason would tear up in laughter, after being labeled ULTRA conservative for supporting the Second Amendment. Nuff' said.
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Besides which, the only big "Republican" traits he was ever really publicized for was his Christianity (erroneously associated ONLY with conservatives / Republicans) and NRA association. Well, even a few Democrats are Christans and you liberals' beloved Hunter S. Thompson loved guns - you guys told me that yourselves back when he killed himself. So, again, either remember him for his career and things relevant to this board or show your partisan hypocrisy somewhere else. R.I.P., Charlton Heston.
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It is a rainy day here where I live. The perfect day to pop in any Charlton Heston flick in the DVD and be transported back to my younger days. Great lazy afternoons, watching films with family and friends. I bet a significant part of the older fans on this website had there love of film instilled by Charlton Heston just in the manner I described. A truly sad day.
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I hate making that mistake. Still too shaken.
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Some people have made themselves look very small on this TB. Maybe when they're older they will realise and regret their words. You may not always agree with peoples opinions but you can still respect them, especially when they believe it is for the good of the country.
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Next year, I hope that the Academy pays some special tribute to Charlton Heston beyond the typical Oscar obit. A special award? Perhaps a longer montage shot in the "Cinema Paradiso"-style. It would be fitting, being reminded of how and why we fell in love with films when young.
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Apr 06, 2008 1:40:49 PM CDT
Everyone's probably going to hate me for saying this but...
by gingerballz
I always thought Heston was a horrible, overrated actor. I literally couldn't watch Omega Man due to his overplayed scowling, and anything else I tried to watch with him in it, I had to painfully suffer through each of his ungodly overdramatized lines. I'm a huge film buff and definitely understand how important he was to the industry, and I hate to besmirch him on the day of his death, I just thought someone had to say this. I also kind of lost respect for him as President of the NRA.
Now, I will gladly read any hate-filled, overtly insulting and profane talkbacks get for this message.
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You are entitled to your opinion. I have probably made my wife suffer through some Heston films that made you cringe too, particularly his forays into sci-fi. But the funny thing was, when watching "The Agony & the Ecstacy" and "Van Gogh", she was able to put his other roles to the side and really enjoy these smaller pics and his beefy dramatic interpretation.
I think to certain guys, Heston just was the embodiment of a certain larger-than-life heroic masculinity. And that just does not fly for everyone. For some of us, the martyr-complex (as Moriarty mentioned) combines compelling action and drama, and lifts us out of our mundane lives. I think other people need believability to drink in powerful male acting. -
the guy's not dead 24 hours and you're devoting paragraph after paragraph to 'critiqing [sic] his politics'?
and you can't even figure out whether it's 'badmouthing' the guy to call him 'an arrogant Ultra con' and 'the pennicle of conservatism, who fucked over the poor and opressed'?
like a lot of folk, i strongly disagreed with Heston's NRA views but at least i'm respectful enough not to slam the guy anonymously on the internet like some little whiny bitch. grow a brain already.
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(Is that a contradiction in terms?) We all loved him for the very same thing you hated. But something tells me you liked I AM LEGEND which I would argue features an actor who is just as melodramatic and macho, but who lacks any nuance or subtlety or the ability to show true vulnerability (without making it suitably macho: "I can save everybody!"), and I think Heston did have more depth than he's given credit for.
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For anyone reading this who aspires to direct motion pictures, you owe it to your future to see this, to memorize it until you see it, hear it, and feel it in your sleep. It is, without any doubt, the greatest sequence in motion picture history. If you are a student of filming, it will stop your heart.
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I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic, but cross-referencing with the information you posted earlier I'm assuming you are. Anyway, I really just wanted to say it for a long time that I never liked him. I didn't hate him, his style of acting just wasn't for me I guess. It just never felt real to me; it always drew me out of the aura of escapism in which a good film (and especially for me, a good sci-fi film) surrounded me. Maybe my words were a little misplaced on the day of his death, I've just watched so many other people much more important to me as a filmmaker, fan, and person who did not get the proper respect and in my heart I felt that deserved it much more than Mr. Heston. And just so you know, I'm not some geeky kid with nothing better to do, I'm a dedicated filmmaker who just sold his first scripts for music videos for national music acts, and am having interest in more than one feature I have written to be produced. I traveled a very poor road in order to pursue a career in my beloved film, and hope to have my voice heard and respected at the very least because of the unobtrusive and reverent delivery of my comments.
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Just to let you know, I hated I Am Legend. I was a huge fan of the book, and feel that all of its poignancy has been lost in all of its adaptations to the screen.
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Hate to break it to you - but this day and this forum is not really about YOU. Good luck though.
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Yeah, thanks, I got that. Wasn't trying to make it about me. More than anything with my initial post I was trying to get across the point that I didn't particularly care for the man, but I still respected him.
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I'd rather be honest and say what I think while still maintaining respect for a man who I didn't particularly care for than unsuccessfully attempt sarcasm and spend a day online trying to make myself feel better by arguing with "geeks" and try to pretend that I myself am not one. Maybe my initial words came out wrong, but Mr. Heston, although we did not see eye-to-eye on many things, I thank you for further advancing the popularity of my beloved art form and send my heart out to you family, friends and fans. An important man has been lost to many on this day.
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Lower than Nixon.
Heston was a great camp actor. It's fortunate he was blessed with a set of teeth akin to a trash compactor, since he chewed every scene he was in to within an inch of its life. Don't get me wrong, most of his movies are classics, and I watch them repeatedly. I just watched Soylent Green again after years, and it still holds up.
To all the people who feel sorry for the old man when Moore blindsided him: Are you retarded? First of all, this is Charlton Fucking Heston, I don't care how old he is, we're talking about Michael Moore. Are you babies? Are you 2 months old? You're mad at Michael Moore of all people for making fun of Heston? Grow the fuck up, you whiney pathetic children. I thought you respected Heston. Besides, He was the president of the NRA at the time, those are the responsibilities of office. If he was "too old" to have to deal with the likes of Moore, HE WAS TOO FUCKING OLD TO BE PRESIDENT. Its not rocket science, you disingenuous pansies. -
but he was awesome as the monkey in the one and only true planet of the apes film, tim burtons planet of the apes
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Exactly WHAT did he have to answer for? That organization to which he belonged sent an envoy to respond to negative press during an unfortunate event that was likely to cause emotional and reactionary decisions from politicians looking to pander?
Moore entered Heston's home under false pretenses and looked to corner and badger him into saying something he could twist to his agenda.
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10 Commandments, Ben Hur and Planet of the Apes. Those are three iconic films.
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I mean his most recent stance. His support of President Bush, his NRA stance, and his heavily Christian ideals.
However, as I said, just because Mr. Heston and I did not see eye-to-eye does not mean I'll disrespect his career. He was one of the greats, and I have nothing but respect for the man as an actor.
Yes, he made some brave choices, too. He stood with MLK. He promoted racial harmony and took roles that protested war during a time when war was the conservative agenda. That just goes to show that he was an actor's actor, and a professional that didn't let personal beliefs get in the way of his craft.
Me? I'm a liberal who supports the second amendment but opposes the more radical ideas of the NRA. I don't like most members of the NRA *or* PETA. I think they're both crazy nutcases who take their cause too far.
When government takes away our guns is when I'll really start fearing for our nation. If George W. Bush decided that I was no longer to have the right to bear arms, I'd think maybe it was because he wanted to make a declaration of martial law a little bit easier... And I'd be pretty upset.
I support the right to bear arms, but I don't own a gun myself. I just like having the OPTION of owning one. That signals freedom to me, as long as there are decent laws regarding licensing and training, I'll be happy.
But I am otherwise very far left. I support legalization of prostitution and some drugs. I support expanding stem cell research. I'm pro-choice. I'm opposed to government endorsing ANY religion. I think we'd be a far better nation if we converted all the churches into secular homeless shelters, teen rec centers, and womens' health clinics.
But Chuck Heston stood up for what he believed. So did Michael Moore. I respect BOTH of them. Chuck was right about our right to bear arms. Michael was right about our need to be more careful about who gets these guns. Gun shows should be outlawed and gun ownership should require a waiting period of at least 24 hours, plus a psych evaluation and aptitude test every year, at least. The problem isn't guns; It's gun nuts and psychopaths who get their hands on them. Most citizens are careful and intelligent and don't use their gun carelessly, or when they're angry over some personal insult. Most people understand the consequences of shooting someone. It's the ones who don't understand, or simply don't care who need to be kept away from guns.
Any President who wants to take away your ability to defend yourself from the government is a President to fear, because that President is planning something sinister.
However, Michael Moore was 100% right in "Sicko" when he pointed out how inadequate our health care system is, and how unfair it can be to ALL Americans. He was right when he took GM to task for all the lay-offs and outsourcing which KILLED several cities and towns in my home state of Michigan. Unemployment here is the WORST IN THE NATION because the auto industries simply walked away and left people without jobs, prospects, or futures. If you don't believe that, then you should visit Flint some time. Bring your gun, though. Flint is the murder capital of the nation, and it's no wonder why.
Can't both men have had good thoughts and ideas at some times in their lives? Can't the truth lie somewhere between Charlton Heston and Michael Moore? Why does it have to be one or the other, and fuck everyone who disagrees with you? -
Very good.
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couldn't bare to lose Spartacus as well. Whose next? Anthony HOPKINS God forbid?!?!?!?!!?!?
I guess we'll never see a film directed by Minghella, starring Heston and written by Arthur C Clarke now then.... Fucking shitty couple of weeks. -
I love Ben Hur, Soylent Green was ok...thats all I've got.
I may have disagreed with some of his views, but he was still a man, and he was still one of the old Hollywood types, that even though he might be wrong, I always saw him as professional.
But boy, could he deliver a line. Don't make 'em like that anymore.
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do it for heston!
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William Shatner for presidency
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make it so
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make it so
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Maltese Falcon, Casablanca, Treasure of Sierra Madre
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Lets not get crazy now. I understand that some of you are in mourning, but please, try to keep your sanity. For the children.
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WILLIAM SHATNER on their vote paper, what does that mean?
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Canadian?
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Vulcan?
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dead.
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Vulcan, Canadian and Austrian are all welcome in the Presidential elections. But not Texans. Then everyones happy.
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i'm the secretary of state, not a doctor
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I met Chuck when I was 17 at an annual New Year's Day party held at director David Bradley's house when I was in college. David Bradley made an impressive silent version of "Peer Gynt" while he was in college and discovered Mr. Heston. After World War II, Mr. Heston was in the Army Air Corps and Mr. Bradley was in the Navy, they resumed their respective carrers again afterthe war ended while attending Northwestern where Mr. Bradley who co-starred and directed an impressive, "Julius Caesar" with Mr. Heston portraying "Mark Antony." He also was in a version of "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde," which is a lost film, but I had the original photographs that were taken on the set that were willed to me that I gave him and and his family to cherish. Over the years, we became fast friends talking about film and life in general. He was a very intelligent man and had a lot to offer always giving me sage advice. We sent each other Christmas or birthday cards. I saved every one. He was one of the true friends I had who talked to me about getting my health back after my appendix burst and I spent ten days in the hospital. I even was his bodyguard at the Ameican Cinematheque's tribute to him a few years ago, not that he needed one as he was still in great shape. At every introduction of his films they showed there; the sold-out crowd gave him a standing ovation and he was very gracious and humble towards all of them. This morning , when I got the call he had passed on, I was devestated. I dropped off a single red rose and a condolence card at the house. It was the right thing to do. With the passing of my mentor and friend last year, Mr.Jack Sowards and now the passing of Mr. Heston, the world is a sadder, emptier place, but the main thing is, Mr. Heston made a difference in my life as well as many of yours through his films. That's a solid legacy to leave behind.
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Don't Know what else to say, but, yeah. Glad he's Dead, SOOO REALLY glad he's dead. Rot in hell, i guess, and all that. Great.xxx
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Sorry guys, nearly forgot to add that I hope his last few months were spent as a dribbling cabbage, who couldn't even remember who he was. Wonder if his last words were "I am Sparticus"
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I can live with that.
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Apr 06, 2008 5:59:39 PM CDT
To the idiots that like to beret others misfortune in death...
by uncapie
...you'll never know what it is to know what kind of people they really were and never have their class. You're as insignificant in the world as a Pygmy's gene. In the immortal words of Chuck's character, "Harry Towne" in "Secret of the Incas...," "You're two pounds in a one pound bag." And that's all I have to say about that.
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He was larger than life and made even the smallest of roles seem epic. R.I.P.
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Epic life. Do an IMDb; scroll down the scope of his work. The performances speak for themselves. He is credited for saying; “There's a special excitement in playing a man who made a hole in history large enough to be remembered centuries after he died." Some footsteps you just can’t fill. Thank you Mr. Heston. Thank you.
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Chuck was a great man. Thoughtful, spiritual and intelligent. I consider myself one of the luckest people on Earth to have known him. These idiots that post inane and philistine ramblings against Mr. Heston, never knew who he truly was. Where as a teenager I sought out knowledge from my elders because I wanted to know what they went through and how they achieved success, these cretins haven't got a clue what that means. A hero, a true hero, is the one that battles obstacles everyday proceeding to their goal. Never giving up despite insurmountable odds and fair-weather friends that have no belief in them. He takes chances everyone else is affraid to take. When talking with Ray Bradbury he told me he purposely sought out Civil War veterans in his area and talked to them when he was 8 years old. One was a drummer boy who was on the battlefield about ten years old back in 1863. This is living history that people take for granted today. Like when my late friend director Val Guest told me how he and his wife Yolande, used to invite H.G. Wells over for dinner and just talk.How incredible it would have been to sit and have lunch with Nikola Tesla or Albert Einstein! Sadly, today's sheeple are more interested in Paris Hilton, Justine Timberlake, Lindsay Lohan or some other "Puke of the Month" as role models. Unbelievable.
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What's up you crazy bastard?To answer your question - yeah, blah I suppose. To be honest, I don't know a lot about the man and I've only ever seen a handful of his films.But unlike some others in this Talkback, I've said my piece and paid my respects. Now, it's time to get the fuck out.
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I appreciate your clairvoyance and reverence in counterpointing my argument. And your point is dually noted. Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut, but the main point of my original post (and all subsequent posts) was to not ONLY say that I wasn't a big fan of his work or style, but to also say that I RESPECTED him and anyone's right to appreciate his work. I set out to say, if nothing else, that my thoughts and prayers are extended to those affected by his death, EVEN THOUGH I was not a fan. It's my fault I never properly stated that originally, and I apologize.
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I didn't agree with much of his politics (though I have to give him props for his support of the Civil Rights Movement), but I can still respect a rich and diverse cinematic legacy. RIP Mr Heston.
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recent study shows that 1 our of every 15 children who are hospitilized in america receive bad treatment in the form or overmedication or other mistreatment....ya, our healthcare system is so great...moore is a bastard for making sicko....and a total bastard for making f 9/11, cuz we all know that the war was just, and the occupation is going swimingly...how about that surge...you fucking wingnuts, you have totally fucked up my beautiful country....SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE....and edward g robinson was a lib
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but you fuckin wingnuts had to rant about moore in this thread...so fuck off
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Chuck was a good guy. The last of the great heroes on the silver screen.
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I´ll remeber her supreme body in Barbarella.
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YOU dumb fucker, when I mentioned the "Penacle of conservatism" and "fucking over the poor" those comments were in regards to Reagan.You need to go back and re-read my post (six times over just to make sure you understand.) oh BTW you're the whiny bitch that started trolling first.But you know what, you're as worthless and insignificant as a wart on Paris Hilton's Herpes infected twat.
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and im a lib...but her dancing around the anti aircraft guns of the north vietnamese, was treasonous
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In the same sentence that you said Reagan was 'fucking over the poor', you said that Heston was like Reagan.
Ergo, you think that Heston was also a 'penacle [sic] of conservatism'.
You also don't deny calling Heston an 'arrogant ultra con'.
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As most are, so fuckin' what? Others have said far worse but unlike you and a few others, I(as a proponent of freedom of speech.)respect the TBers opinions regardles if I agree or digress.My critque was mostly about his politics you douche, those same beliefs that are Pro Life (yet won't support Stem Cell research which could one day lead to a cure for Altzheimers and other illness,)and not to mention sending thousands to fight an unjustified war in Iraq.(Well the war benefits Haliburton and of course the privitization of an Army.)Oh and not to mention what's going on with the economy.I can go on and on but why bother?
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then you'd respect my right to call you a whiny little douche.
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(despite you called me a Cracka)but I have the right to disagree and respond via trashing your sorry ass for that racist remark.
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He had a nice long life. Talking about weapons like they didn’t effect him at all. He was really distanced from all the wounded and maimed his ludicrous support of gun politics caused. FACT: In 1999, there were 28,874 gun-related deaths in the United States - over 80 deaths every day. Health officials believe that guns in the U.S.could become the leading cause of death attributed to injury by the year 2003, surpassing injuries due to motor vehicle crashes. Charlton Heston didn’t live in an inner city ghetto. He didn’t hear gunshots at night.He never saw anyone bleed to death in agony. He never shot anyone. He was never shot, or maimed or lost a limb to gun violence. Charlton Heston didn’t experience the “Sword of Damocles” tension that divides the streets of the USA. Charlton Heston escaped the reality of his actions by privilege, wealth and seclusion, like many other NRA members. Here is a quote from the Harvard Health Policy review:”Each year, approximately 30,000 people in the United States die as a result of gunfire and about 80,000 people are wounded.” I am sad. I am sad that any person would champion “easy murder” inflicted on Americans every year, and what is worse, he did it legally due to an anachronistic 2nd amendment…. designed for muskets ………to overthrow a rural Government in case of corruption. Charlton Heston’s past actions continue to destroy lives. That makes me sad….and the people who it makes sad most of all are the relatives and loved ones who pick up the dead.
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As long as people give actors excessive false stature, this sort of empty idol worship will continue. That is why OJ is free, so is Blake and Phil Spector got a mistrial, seriously... they get away with murder. The capitalist system venerates celebrity as an financial goal and ideal and the judicial system (also a capitalist system) collapses when the carrot is incarcerated. Actors are pawns of the studio. Without distrubution and advertising they are what they really are : human. They signed a contract because of something superficial (they had the right hair color, jawline, musculature) and suddenly America wonders why Reagan is passing bizarre 3rd strike laws and funding internal corruption. The fact is the USA has no Royalty, and celebrity is a placebo. Actors are actors. Nothing more nothing less, and the adulation they receive is disproportionate to their real world value as people. There becomes a huge confusion between the role and the person. That is why California has a "GOVERNATOR". This blurring of fact and fiction in a real world way is dangerous and unhealthy. Heston proved that.
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GORDON STREET?OH YES I ONCE KNEW A GIRL WHO LIVED ON GORDON STREET.BUT THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.WHEN I WAS YOUNG MAN.NOT A DAY PASSES I DON'T THINK OF HER AND THE PROMISE I MADE.WHICH I WILL ALWAYS KEEP.THAT ONE PERFECT DAY ON GORDON STREET
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Charleton Heston was many things to many people. But one thing he was to everyone was a MANLY MAN. And that's more important today than ever, in today's wussified world. Godspeed, Taylor, and thanks for the fun.
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you will be missed except by the people who were murdered or killed by gun violence during the time you were alive
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...in Mel Brooks' "Young Frankenstein".It was the reading of the will, which was done by a record made by the deceased Frankenstein himself. As it started I thought it was John Carradine speaking, but the recording broke when Frankenstein scolded a servant, "Are you getting this? If you screw this up, I'll KILL you!" and I realized: "THAT's Charlton *FUCKING* Heston! And the scene didn't make the film!!!"
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Loved everything about him. I will miss the Omega Moses. I can only hope that, somewhere, he's telling some damn dirty ape that Soylent Green is people.
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It is so refreshing to see people who stand on diametrically opposing political positions giving up respect for a guy like Heston. In a nation so heavily divided along partisan battle lines, its refreshing to know that people can still manage to set that aside. I also appreciate that as a group, we've collectively ignored the weak sauced trolls trying to make themselves popular by being idiots in an obit talkback.
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Like others, he was my absolute favorite movie star as a child, the biggest in Hollywood for all I knew, with his eponymous presence in such greats as: Apes, Omega Man, Soylent Green, Earthquake, Airport 75, Ben Hur, Midway, Three and Four Musketeers, Call of the Wild--a good chunk of the films that thrilled and terrified me as a youth, really.
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Soylent Green is still made of people! They didn't change the recipe like they said they would! Drink up Judah Ben-Hur.
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EL CID!! Need I say more? What a legend...always enjoyed your work Mr. Heston and you were always "The Hero" to this aging Baby Boomer.
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What Michael Moore did to him in Bowling for Columbine was unforgiveable. I had friends that promised never to see another one of his films past or present because they were convinced he was a callous gun nut.
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I consider myself incredibly lucky to know people like Mr. Heston. They have much to offer with sage advice and what they've been through. Livingwater, that is the greatest line in the world; "Celebrity is placebo!" People forget that the U.S. is a relatvity young country. 200 years and some change, while Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa have been around for thousands of years.
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That when Republicans like Heston die, people like Half-Assed Astronaut feel its okay to attack them. But if a Liberal icon passes away, they must be treated with respect?
Just askin'...
ps - Heston also marched in the 50s for equal rights. Guess being an evil Republican sorta erases that, huh? -
For showing us the real Charles Heston.
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and I am sorry if I missed it is that Heston was a WWII vet. Hats off to him for that also.
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Ray is the closest thing we have to H.G. Wells or Jules Verne in today's world and to have worked on a stage play, even if it didn't go to Broadway, that's okay. You worked with a legend!
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One of the biggest stars of all time. Too many classics to list.
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Apr 07, 2008 10:45:27 PM CDT
Charlton Heston will now become Soylent Green! Eat hearty!
by mrmysteryguest
R.I.P.
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Indiana Jones was taken from the Heston character Harry Steele in SECRET OF THE INCAS. Check out the pics on my website:
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