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Quint visits the PRINCE CASPIAN edit bay and sees 45 minutes of the movie!

Published at: April 3, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Is there any place I can start a petition to erase Chicago O’Hare off the face of the world? Seriously, this airport has fucked me over so many times (even when I’m nowhere near it… I once had a flight cancel on me when I was on the East Coast trying to get back home to Austin because my Austin plane originated from O’Hare)… can’t we open up a new airport and demolish the horror show that we call O’Hare? I was supposed to fly into London to meet Andrew Adamson in the edit bay for PRINCE CASPIAN, the next NARNIA movie. That’s a long flight, but it was an exclusive so why not? My flight to Chicago was delayed long enough so I would have missed my connection, so they had to rebook me for the next day. That meant I was due at the edit bay about 3 hours after I got off of 14 straight hours of travel instead of getting a night to rest up. I had a 6 hour layover in Chicago on the way and I needed every second of it as my rebooked flight was delayed over 4 hours. Chicago tried to fuck me twice, but I was victorious in the end. After a nice shower and a quick, and massive breakfast (boy the English love huge portions at breakfast time) at a pub down the street from my hotel, I was picked up by a hired car driven by a huge Croatian. This dude looked like he moonlighted as muscle for whichever foreign mafia paid the most. His name was Predo and he was decked out in a nice suit, sunglasses and a “don’t fuck with me” attitude. But when you actually got him talking he was a really nice, teddy bear of a guy. I ended up in some edit bay near Soho, three flights up a Vertigo inducing spiral staircase. In the room was Andrew Adamson, his editor and a couple producers, including Mark Johnson who came out to BNAT to show some animatics from the movie. I’m a little surprised they showed me as much as they did. I saw maybe 40-45 minutes of the movie in chunks ranging from 15 minutes to three or four minutes from throughout the movie. At one point, after watching a giant castle siege battle sequence, I was wondering why they didn’t just show me the whole thing. I’m not sure if they meant to show me as much as they did, but what I saw was good, so I won’t complain. I’m not a fan of Adamson’s first outing to the world of NARNIA. To me THE LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE felt like it had very little personality. Everything was new and bright. There was no atmosphere to any of the Narnia stuff. Granted, the bombing of London was pretty cool, but the creatures, clothing and swords all felt like they were just pulled off an assembly line and that hurt my ability to give myself over to the movie. I’ve seen some animatics and footage from this film at Comic-Con and at BNAT and the footage gave me hope that the new movie would have a little edge to it, some atmosphere and just an overall lived in feeling that was missing from the first film. I brought that up to Adamson and he said that with the first Narnia his idea was that it was set in the spring of this world’s existence. Aslan had created it only a couple hundred years before, so he wanted everything to be bright and new feeling. PRINCE CASPIAN takes place thousands of years after and is a much darker world, thankfully. We start off with a bright star in the sky (I’m assuming that’ll be the transition between the Disney logo and the movie) and go over some really nice Weta model work of a dark castle and into a room, drawn in the screaming of a woman. She gives birth and a servant runs to tell the king of Telmarines that he just had a son. The King is bearded like Leonidis in 300. He smiles and tells his servant to follow through on some order we don’t know about yet. Cut to young Caspian sleeping in his bed. He’s woken by his teacher, a chubby, spectacled wizard looking dude with flowing robes and a long white beard. There’s not much time and the teacher leads Caspian through a secret passage (via the wardrobe, of course) as the Telmarine guards enter the room and shoot an assload of crossbow arrows into the draped bed. Caspian arms himself and is sent out on horseback by his teacher, but not before he is given a special item wrapped in cloth. Caspian asks what it is and the teacher only responds by saying he is to use it only in when he needs help and there is no other alternative. He is told to go through the forest, something Caspian is definitely not all that hot on doing, but his teacher insists he will not be followed into the woods. So begins the opening credits, which play over Caspian being closely pursued by the castle guards. I actually really like this credits sequence… You’re thrust into action right away with the credits playing over a chase. It reminded me of classic live-action Disney for some reason. Caspian hits the edge of the clearing and his horse charges into the forest. His pursuers stop at the boarder. Their captain catches up to them and calls them superstitious cowards and shames them into continuing the pursuit. With a good lead, Caspian lets his guard down a little and as he checks behind him he doesn’t notice a giant tree branch hanging over the path. The horse clears under it, but poor Caspian doesn’t. He’s knocked off the saddle, but his foot is still in the stirrup and he’s dragged for a little while. He gets untangled and he’s now alone in the woods. Or so he thinks. Out from the foliage pops two dwarves. They aren’t very happy to see a human, let alone a Telmarine (keep in mind the Telmarines invaded Narnia and kicked all the animals and fantasy creatures out).

Scared, Caspian unwraps his package and we find the horn that Father Christmas gave the Pevensies in the first movie. The dwarves see it and eyes go wide. Caspian blows it as the dwarves look on. The Telmarine guards hear the horn and close in. The dwarves pull out swords and run up on them, protecting the boy and killing them some bad guys. The next sequence was our re-introduction to the Pevensies. All the original actors come back for the movie. We see Lucy first. She races across a busy London street and almost gets hit by a car. She apologizes, but doesn’t slow down. Lucy runs into an underground entrance, passing a lion statue being sandbagged by British troops (as seen in the trailer). The reason for her hurry becomes evident soon enough. There’s a fight going on. You can’t tell who’s fighting because there are a few dozen kids surrounding the brawlers, cheering them on. Lucy breaks through and we see it’s Peter, the eldest boy, in fisticuffs with another boy. He’s not really doing all that well. Edmund and Susan run up and Edmund doesn’t think twice before assisting his brother, tackling the other boy. It’s not long before the fight is broken up by a couple of soldiers. As it dissipates, the girls ask what started it all. It’s pretty clear that Peter wishes he was important again, someone to be loved and respected. He doesn’t say as much, but it’s pretty obvious. He went from King to child in war-torn Britain overnight. They move from the tube’s stairway into the tube itself. It’s there that the horn calls them back, the windows of a passing subway train flashing glimpses of a Narnian beach (again, as seen in the trailer). And poof! They’re in Narnia (via a beautiful New Zealand beach). All the gloom lifts and they run to the beach, playing in the water… childlike glee on each of their faces once more. Then they see ruins and are troubled. They didn’t realize it’s been so long in Narnia time and come to find that those ruins were once their glorious castle. That was the first bit. Adamson and I talked about Reepicheep and how much I’m looking forward to seeing what Eddie Izzard brings to the fan-favorite violent sword-swinging mouse. Adamson said that he didn’t really find the character of Reepicheep until Izzard came in to record his dialogue. He had an idea, he said, but he came to find that he had subconsciously lifted a lot of his character for Puss N’ Boots when doing SHREK 2. So, he couldn’t lock down a character that was different from Puss until he heard Izzard give his voice. Then things began clicking. Adamson then showed me Reepicheep’s introduction. It doesn’t seem to be long after we last saw Caspian. He’s joined by a badger as well as the dwarves… the badger was completely CGI and not much more than a 3-D grayscale most of the scene. They’re chased by more Telmarine warriors, arrows flying. Caspian drops the horn and the badger doubles back for it, even though Caspian screams at him to leave it. The badger grabs the horn, the guards dangerously close and turns to run. He doesn’t get very far before an arrow hits him in the calf, grounding him. Caspian and the dwarves run to his aide as the guards close in. Suddenly the foliage begins to move around them and something pulls the guards under with the sound of metal on metal until all of them are gone. After a beat, Reepicheep jumps out, attacking Caspian. He’s called off by the other Narnian creatures. Izzard’s voice. It’s not shouting Izzard or “I’m serious” Izzard, but somewhere in-between. Izzard’s a weird guy. I love his stand-up, I love him as a personality, but he hardly ever works on film… at least for me. I thought his bit in ACROSS THE UNIVERSE was awkward and not at all funny, he also didn’t have much to do in MY SUPER EX-GIRLFRIEND… Maybe he just hasn’t gotten his right part yet. At any rate, Izzard’s voice is still his own, but it fits nicely within the world. I was worried for a bit that we were going to get a crazy hip sidekick character or something, but Izzard never went over the top… at least not in the sections I’ve seen. There were a couple of scenes that introduce the Pevensie children to Trumpkin, the Dinklage character. He’s been through some shit I haven’t seen, captured by the Telmarines who decide to just dump him, bound and gagged into a deep river. The kids intervene, demanding his release. The warriors dump him anyway and get a couple arrows from Susan’s quiver in return. There’s an underwater sequence with poor Trumpkin sinking like a stone, but retrieved and brought to shore. He’s a grumpy bastard. He’s almost pissed that he got rescued. Then he realizes who the kids are and he cools a little as they’ve been built up as deities. However he soon realizes that deities they may be, but they’re hardly infallible. He asks the kids some hard questions they couldn’t answer. Why did they let Narnia fall? Why did they abandon their subjects in their time of need? That’s some pretty heady spiritual questions to be bringing up in a kids movie. This dwarf has known of their legend his entire life and now that his gods are before him he finds they are only children. There’s one sequence where Lucy sees a bear and approaches it. In her last Narnian experience the animals were intelligent and she expects nothing has changed, but in the time that they’ve been away many of Narnia’s creatures have gone wild. The bear rears up as she tries to talk to it and charges. Susan is forced to shoot it down before it can kill her sister. Both of those two scenes play toward the darker aspects of the film, but the darkest sequence I was shown was the entire castle raid sequence, a big action set-piece that happens in the second act. Caspian is determined to free his teacher, now imprisoned in the very castle he helped the child escape from at the beginning of the film. The main motive, though, is to overthrow the Telmarine king and free Narnia again. All the remaining Narnia creatures that still hold their intelligence make one big push… all or nothing. This is spurred on by Peter, whose over-confidence has crossed over into cockiness. He’s King here. He can do anything. It’s a nighttime attack and there’s a fantastic opening where Edmund rides in on the back of a griffin. A squadron of these creatures fly silently above the castle and take out the guards without raising alarm. Everybody is involved, as I mentioned earlier. Reepicheep leads a band of sword-wielding mice. It’s pretty harsh… there’s even a sequence when this little mouse glides silently down a piece of string behind one guard. When the guard turns, Reepicheep slits his throat with a quick slash. Trumpkin is in, too, killing him some guards. After Caspian gets his teacher, who protests strongly that Caspian was stupid enough to come back to the castle, Caspian holds everyone up, insisting on challenging his step-father to a duel. Of course, this doesn’t go well. And the Narnians are caught within the castle. A huge battle erupts and the Narnians hold their own until the Telmarine king shows up along the walls with a hundred archers. A retreat is called and the Pevensies just make it outside the castle before the gate goes down (thanks to a sacrificial act by a minotaur, who was able to hold it long enough to let the kids and a few creatures escape). While on the other side, the Pevensies turn and look through the gate, seeing the majority of their attack party slaughtered. Yes, slaughtered. Not only do we see the arrows rain down on these creatures, we also get a flyover of the carnage as Edmund takes in the sight of the dead bodies from the back of a griffin. Peter argues with Caspian, blaming his delay for the death of their comrades, but Caspian in turn blames Peter for being so cocky in the first place. It’s a staggering lesson in humility for Peter. There was one more scene, a mano y mano swordfight between Peter and the Telmarine king. They fight on the ruins of the stone circle, surrounded by both armies. The two kings fight supposedly to the death. Peter takes a great brunt of pain, including broken limbs before it’s over. This fight alone is more brutal than anything in the first movie. As someone who really didn’t care for the first film, I was impressed with the footage they showed me. It’s difficult to judge the whole as you can take any movie and remove sequences that play better out of context. However, I saw enough to be confident that the tone is much more appealing to my own personal sensibilities. For the most part the kids still aren’t very good actors. Caspian will be a heart-throb in all the teeny bopper magazines, for sure, but what I saw of his performance didn’t exactly blow my socks off. Of the kids, my favorite was Edmund (played by Skandar Keynes). I thought he was the best part of the first film as well. He has a natural quiet manner that most of the others don’t have. Alright, a final wrap-up of my thoughts. I liked the tone and the more challenging ideas floated in the story. I like that there are real, heavy consequences to the decisions the kids make. The little boy in me loves seeing these young teens and CG creatures wantonly killing hundreds of soldiers. Only in a fantasy movie can kids kill adults and it still be perfectly okay. I liked the look of the creatures, who were more detailed and natural looking, specifically the minotaurs. The Dink is also awesome, adding a real level of class to the film. He definitely doesn’t phone in his performance and his cynical smart-ass character is a good addition to the sickly-sweet world of Narnia. The only real drawback I got from the footage was the lack of growth in the acting in the Pevensies and the standard performance from Ben Barnes as Caspian. They all have a natural charisma, so it’s not painful, but I did notice some weak performances in the footage. Maybe it’ll smooth out in context in the final product. Fans of the first one will like this flick, I think, and it’ll also earn new fans thanks to its more adult content and better level of effects quality. That is, of course, contingent on the whole living up to the footage I saw. Thanks for sticking with me all the way through the report, squirts. Got a few more biggies on the way, including a few set visits and a big to-do in New York going on in a few days. Keep an eye peeled! -Quint quint@aintitcool.com



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  • April 3, 2008, 5:58 a.m. CST

    FUCK

    by random dude

  • April 3, 2008, 5:58 a.m. CST

    First BTW

    by random dude

  • April 3, 2008, 5:59 a.m. CST

    No MAN-BEAR-PIG in this TB edition

    by random dude

  • April 3, 2008, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Quint back in 2005

    by random dude

    "I'm hoping for the best with this one. It looks like they're really nailing Aslan and his role in the story. That's half their battle right there. I got my fingers crossed for this one." http://www.aintitcool.com/node/20756

  • April 3, 2008, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Let's just wait for the Disney editors to get through this first

    by RealDoubleJ

    Don't get me wrong, this sounds mightily more impressive than the first Narnia outing & child actors will alway naturally have a limited range but my brain says a few of the adult themes & a lot of the gorier shots (cgi mice slashing throats) will probably be saved for an extended DVD version & not for the theatrical version where parents must be appeased. Will definitely keep my eye on it.

  • April 3, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    speaking of big british food...

    by RealDoubleJ

    go to any chinese take-away in britain & order a bag of chips & curry sauce. I guaran-DAMN-tee you'll have enough chips for 3 square meals!

  • April 3, 2008, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Breakfast in a pub? Sounds like...

    by Charlie & Tex

    Wetherspoons to us! Yummy!

  • April 3, 2008, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Too true, RealDoubleJ

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Competition amongst Chinese takeaways is fierce. Around the corner from me there are three of the buggers all vying for my takeaway money, and they all try to out-do each other with their portion sizes. For a quid, I always get enough chips to feed a football team. Health-conscious guy that I am, most of them end up in the bin, which induces terrible pangs of waste-related guilt. If only I could donate them to some kind of chip-recycling scheme.<p>On topic, I am glad to see Warwick Davis is appearing in this one. If you're hiring little people, it is some kind of unwritten law that you must hire the pre-eminent little actor of his generation.

  • April 3, 2008, 6:35 a.m. CST

    awesome

    by Gungan Slayer

    can't wait

  • April 3, 2008, 6:41 a.m. CST

    random dude

    by Quint

    Yeah, that was after the Comic-Con footage and a good half-year before release. I still think that sequence leading up to Aslan's sacrifice was the highlight of the first movie. I hoped I was going to like the first movie more than I ended up liking it.

  • April 3, 2008, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Have you tried Midway, Quint?

    by tonagan

    You might like it better.

  • April 3, 2008, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Any reviews of Never Back Down yet?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    That looks like it could be a funny one. I imagine some producer type pitching it as Fight Club meets The Fast And The Furious, which suggests great potential to me. If they could combine the dark satire of Fight Club with the colourful retardedness of Torque and whatnot, they might well have a film I would like to see.<p>Anyone seen it?

  • April 3, 2008, 6:43 a.m. CST

    ton

    by Quint

    Midway is much better, but it's not as big of a hub, so it's rare I go through there... O'Hare is the devil, plain and simple.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Narniaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! and a Chinese girl...

    by The True Priapic

    My girl is Chinese and it's generally pretty difficult finding films that will hold her interest as there's fundamental differences with the storytelling conventions here in China(or so I'm told??Something to do with Chinese stories being written in a less linear way than Western tales.??)Anyway,I originally tried Jaws.Classic.Sadly it ended with the girl screaming and rolling up in a fetal position demanding the film "go away!"(and that was before the fucking head in the boat bit!)Next I tried Alien.Classic.I got her to watch it all the way through but she still has nightmares about John Hurt's noodle reaction.So it got to the point where I tried childrens classics.The Jungle Book.Home run,she loved it.The Wizard of Oz.Nearly a home run,but she began screaming when the flying monkeys attacked in the forest.So.....I bought Narnia for her on dvd.I fucking hated this movie with a fucking passion.Ghastly direction,utterly devoid of style,absolutely derivative.And fucking Qui-Gon doing his mentor shtick yet a-fucking-gain.But I digress,I thought the girl would like it.Her reaction?"This is boring." "This is stupid!Rubbish film" and my personal favourite "The little girl looks like a pig." I love my girl.Fuck Narnia.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Narnia reminds me..

    by The True Priapic

    of a Julia Phillips quote in You'll Never Eat Lunch....where Burton's Batman is described as a "gilded turd".A more fitting description I cannot think of for Narnia.God,red......mist....descending....All I need now is for Catherine FUCKING Tate to live up to our expectations and utterly ruin Doctor Who.God almighty.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Amen Frankie

    by just pillow talk

    Warwick has to be in every single movie with little people in the script. In fact, every movie should try and work little people in some how. For Warwick. For Global Harmony.<p>I'm not holding my breath that this will be significantly better than the first one. I of course will end up renting it regardless of the quality. Just one of those things.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:22 a.m. CST

    PLANT!

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Think about it

  • April 3, 2008, 7:23 a.m. CST

    your driver's name was Pedo?

    by newc0253

    disturbing.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Acting in Prince Caspian

    by alisonb

    I'm not surprised you think Skandar Keyenes is the best of the 5 main leads. Ben Barnes is a bit of a lightweight and the other child actors were no where near as good as Skandar in the first film. Edmund and his scenes with the White Witch were the highlight of the first film. I never understood why the kid playign Lucy got all the attenton in film 1. I also dont get why Edmudn is getting no PR in film 2. All the other kids are getting air time and we've had Ben Barnes shoved down our throats. Keynes has far more screen presence than the others so the logic beats me.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Priapic

    by filmcoyote

    I'm boycotting Who because of Tate, let the rest of us know howw bad it turns out.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    child actors in this

    by filmcoyote

    The kids in Narnia were amongst the worst child actors i've ever seen in recent memory. They can make it darker and improve the SFX all they want but with a central cast that awful what hope is there for the movie as a whole?

  • April 3, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    chips in a Chinese

    by filmcoyote

    and what's with this nonsense about chips and curry in a Chinese take-away. I've never seen a Chinese that did chips. This is bizarre and abhorrent. Must be cities i guess.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Wetherspoons? Fuck that shit!

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    Yummy my arse, give me a real pub that doesn't make all their food in a microwave.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Did you see the duel between Trumpkin and Edmund?

    by alisonb

    I really hope the duel is included as its one of my favourite scenes and I hope the relationship with Edmund and Trumpkin is fun.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Hey Quint, did you get over the bones in your tikka..

    by Boba Fat

    masala? I felt a little guilty after giving Le Taj the hard sell. You sounded a smidge disappointed. Just a smidge though. Coming back soon or are you fed up with schlepping around the globe?

  • April 3, 2008, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Looks awful

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The Narnia series is a creative misfire IMO. Adamson just isn't a good enough director. The Narnia tales just aren't suited to big blockbuster filmmaking.

  • April 3, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Ohare didnt fuck you

    by azizhp

    London did - Heathrow's new Terminal 5 is totally hosed, SNAFUBAR. and the delays are radiating outwards. Hub and spoke, hub and spoke, you know.

  • April 3, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    so no aslan's how at all?

    by freydis

    that would be kind of a miss. and good lord I'm worried after that mention of puss in boots, even if it was a previous version

  • April 3, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    How about a 57 part Hardy Boys Franchise?

    by Otis Fairweather III

    I mean now that is something that can compete with LOTR and George Lucas' ongoing perversion of our childhood.

  • April 3, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    sounds great to me, quint

    by LegoKenobi

    thanks for the report. i'm loving the hints at what they do with reep & the mice. OH -- and thank you for this part, too: "I brought that up to Adamson and he said that with the first Narnia his idea was that it was set in the spring of this world’s existence. Aslan had created it only a couple hundred years before, so he wanted everything to be bright and new feeling." ..... EXACTLY. it looks "new" in the first movie because at that point, narnia really IS relatively new.

  • Love to see we've all made up our minds about the new Who and Donna, never mind that the trailers show a different Donna than before, a more mature one. Never mind that everyone involved is shouting her performance to the hills. If you want to 'boycott' the greatest science fiction show currently on television, then go right ahead. Like a fart in the wind, I'm really sure nobody will notice your stink.

  • April 3, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Boba

    by Quint

    It was a smidge disappointing but it's not your fault. I still had a good time hanging out with you limeys.<BR><BR>Azizhp, I can assure you it was O'Hare. This trip was before they opened up the clusterfuck of Terminal 5 at Heathrow. Even it wasn't, it's always O'Hare's fault. If someone cuts me off in traffic it's O'Hare's fault. If I get a mixed up order at Taco Bell it's O'Hare's fault. It is the devil and the devil hates me, even though I curse and watch horror movies and read Stephen King. Fuckin' O'Hare.

  • April 3, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Danny

    by Quint

    I'll treasure this moment always. I'll try to remember the good times after your next talkback makes me cry... again... heh

  • April 3, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    This section of the article made me laugh

    by hugedingdong

    "Scared, Caspian unwraps his package and we find the horn that Father Christmas gave the Pevensies in the first movie. The dwarves see it and eyes go wide. Caspian blows it as the dwarves look on." Sounds like quite a fucked up scene from a pornomovie. Fuck Narnia.

  • April 3, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed the last one..

    by Gabba-UK

    it had its faults, most of which Quint has already addressed but it was still enjoyable. So this one is likely to be getting my dosh too. By the way Critch I would imagine that those that are speaking highly of tate's new take on Donna are doing so because their expectations were so low that all she had to do was remember her lines and they'd be impressed. I however have no so such problem to worry about. I have to worry about the fact that the singlemost untalented, worthless, unfunny, headache inducing, teeth grindingly awful person in British entertainment (and I'm including Jeremy Kyle and Trish in that list) is playing the Doctors new assistant. Tate could bring us the single greatest performance in media since Pacino in Godfather 1 and 2 but it wouldn't matter to me and countless others because WE CANT FUCKING STAND CATHERINE TATE!!!!! End of discussion.

  • April 3, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    ben Barnes

    by mrwho

    I thought he was supposed to be this really good theater actor, and they were excited to get him for Narnia. I understand theater and movie acting is different, but I was still hoping he'd be better. Oh well, it's not like the acting is a primary focus in these movies anyways

  • April 3, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    So, Quint....

    by Gabba-UK

    I'm guessing you don't like O'hare. I don't like Catherine Tate but we both have deal with them in our lives. I feel for you fella but if you had to deal with Catherine Tate being in one of your favourite shows, trust me, you'd feel you were getting the shit end of the stick.

  • April 3, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    O'Hare

    by rutgerman

    Quint, try LIVING in Chicago and having to deal with O'Hare every GODDAMN weekend. That said, next time you're in layover feel free to get in touch, drinks on me!

  • April 3, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Still not caring

    by gruntybear

    These films still strike me as LOTR-lite. Still not paying to watch them - ever.

  • April 3, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    AICN's delusions of grandeur

    by Hooded Justice

    That's the problem with AICN staff when they make set visits - they present themselves to us as important collaborators with the film-makers, when in reality they are contributors to an internet fansite who are invited on set for promotional purposes. To Quint's credit, he hasn't tried to exaggerate his importance in this write up, which is why it is so refreshing to read. Also - and this is important - it's clear that Quint isn't necessarily shilling for this movie (remember Harry' The Dark Is Rising set visit and delusional puff-piece? Still no explanation or apology from AICN for that slice of hypocrisy). Now, if AICN writers can start to leave their personal lives, meals, train journeys etc out of their write-ups, things will be perfect.

  • April 3, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Know one cares about your flight or what you had to eat...

    by Kasch

    And I wish AICN writers would finally realize that.

  • April 3, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Caspian unwraps his package and we find the horn

    by www.valiens.com

    Indeed.

  • April 3, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Fireproof

    by Quint

    Thanks for the kind words. It's appreciated.<BR><BR>valiens... it seems my subtle innuendo wasn't as subtle as I thought it was. I never said I wasn't a sick-o...

  • April 3, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Did you fall down Senator?

    by just pillow talk

  • April 3, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Quint, on the other hand....

    by www.valiens.com

    It took this long for a Butthead to draw attention to it so maybe ya dun better than you think.

  • April 3, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Well the first one lacked pretty much any spirit at all...

    by kungfuhustler84

    With the exception of Aslan and the scenes between the boy and the white witch. I'm excited to see me some dwarf and Reepicheep killing. Then again, I'm betting this will be edited down a lot before release, which is a shame. I'm sure a child's imagination could be just as visceral as the one created and I don't really think Disney needs to dumb it down for a new generation. Those child actors are really not doing anything for me, especially not the heavily marketed title character, who seems to have gotten the part on looks alone.

  • April 3, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    C.S. Lewis and LOTR

    by critch

    Just because he supported LOTR doesn't make Lewis a great writer, nor does it make Narnia some kind of legendary adventure. LOTR the books I found got too bogged down in the universe itself, almost becoming bible-like in the prose, to the point that it was almost a chore to get to the end of the ring, which is handled almost as an afterthought in about two easily-missed lines. Then another hundred or two pages about the shire...just tedious. The movies tightened everything up and were done with spirit and love for the material, something that Narnia had neither. It's everything you would expect a disney-fied LOTR to be, with a heaping helping of religous stupidity slapped on top. This one does sound better, but considering I even liked "In the name of the King" better than the first Narnia, that's not a leap.

  • April 3, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Critch

    by kungfuhustler84

    It is so nice to meet a fellow spirit concerning LOTR. What the fuck was up with those hundred pages about going back to the Shire? The ring's gone, they have a king, it's over. I hated that soooo much. And what was up with all the hobbits spending an entire chapter at some dude's farm in the first book singing and bathing and eating mushrooms? Keeping in mind, this immediately follows the beginning of their journey with the ring. Throughout there is so much preaching and history lessons concerning Tolkien's universe that any sense of urgency or tension is lost. While I love the books dearly and find them synonymous with my childhood, the movies have them beat, if only by a hair and due to lack of post-adventure Shire bullshit.

  • April 3, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    oh, PLEASE

    by LegoKenobi

    if tolkien hadn't gone back and done the scouring of the shire, people like you would have been whining about all the loose threads in the story. it brings the hobbits full circle, and they realize how much they have grown and changed since they set out on the journey. plus, it adds a final denouement for sauruman and wormtongue. jesus, does EVERYTHING need to be spelled out for you people?

  • April 3, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Good to see Skandar is also good in Prince Caspian

    by fauvism

    There was so little footage of Skandar in the Prince Casian previews I was beginning to wonder what was going on. Good to read he's still the best.

  • April 3, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Warwick played Reep in the BBC mini-series

    by MGTHEDJ

    Nice for him to be in this. kungfuhustler84: Going back to the Shire was Tolken's way of telling what the WW II soldiers went through when they came home after 7 years of war. Birmingham, England was badly damaged by bombings, as well as Liverpool and Manchester, not just London.

  • April 3, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Took me a while to read but…

    by PullMyFinger

    I really appreciate all the detail in this article! I’m a big Narnia fan and I’m thrilled that you were so excited by the battle scenes and creatures, because that’s one of the things I’m looking forward to the most. And definitely now looking forward to Eddie Izzard as the voice of Reep. Thank you for quenching my undying thirst for more Caspian info and for not leaving anything out!

  • April 3, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    The English like big portions?!? Cheeky bastard!!!

    by Vim Fuego

    You know what Peter Kay says about America. "It's like it's a knockout over there!"

  • April 3, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST

    The 1st one had no connection for me.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    It was boring to say the least. I felt the movie was rushed to cash in on the whole LOTR mantra that had recently come to pass. <BR> <BR> Much like the Harry Potter movies to be exact. I've never really cared for those either. They always felt slopped together to make a quick buck with no real emotional energy that made me care about what was happening on the screen. <BR> <BR> Sadly based on what I just read it seems that this movie to follows that same dire path of non emotional attachment because of the stale bland acting from the kids. Maybe in time they will have more of a gel that will provide a better cohesive basis for a more rounded picture but after reading this I already know I am going to pass on this one at the theater. It will get a rental though just like the Potter flicks.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    LegoKenobi

    by kungfuhustler84

    Here's a thought. Why didn't Tolkien just have the heroes take care of Saruman and all his bullshit at an earlier time, rather than realizing "Oh shit, what about that sorceror from the first two books? Better tie that up! Oh wait I already ended it. Well I guess I can plop him in where all the hobbits go back." The story was over man! The entire goal of the fellowship was to throw that damn ring in that damn Mount of Fuckin Doom. All I'm saying is, placing Saruman's end at an earlier point in the story would have improved its pacing a great deal. I know it's mainly about the hobbits, little people placed in an event much bigger than themselves, but that Shire shit at the end is weak. Just let the hobbits walk back and let Frodo walk his book. Give those damn hobbits a break. Imagine if Beowulf had killed the dragon, but the movie didn't end and he ended up having to fight a group of bandits that were looting some crap while he was off dragonslaying. Sound lame? Because it is. Why would we need to see Beowulf fight some bandits when we already know he is capable of slaying a BIG FUCKIG DRAGON? I'm not saying I could do it better than Tolkien. The man was a master of fantasy. That ending just bugs me and feels superfluous.

  • April 3, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    MGTHEDJ

    by kungfuhustler84

    Thank you for that explanation. It actually makes sense in a way and it helps me to appreciate the ending more. Still, I feel it hurt the pacing of the ending a bit and made the entire quest to dispose of the ring seem like it wasn't as important as I was led to believe it was through most of the tale. As a parallel to WWII it works and makes perfect sense, but as a general story it's awkward.

  • April 3, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    The first one was too sterile, it still needs an edit

    by performingmonkey

    I bet it's still possible to get a much better edit out of The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe. But it matters not for now. Caspian will be a better film, although it's (IMO) the weakest Narnia book. They've added material like the castle siege and the kids actually having SOME character moments, which they rarely do in the books. Peter becoming an arrogant asshole is a good addition. They'll use this as a basic reason for why he can't return to Narnia following this adventure. With Susan they'll probably say she can't return because she's turning into a slut teen (you just know they WILL play the Caspian/Susan love thing)

  • April 3, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Quint, A Question

    by C A Iversen

    If you are ever talking to Andrew Adamson again Quint, could you ask him if he ever thought they'd ever re-release the dvd of Lion, Witch & The Wardrobe one day, with some improved and darker effects (ie showing some creatures actually dieing in the battle, a little blood etc) and perhaps touch up the cgi here and there. Making that film look maybe aimed at 5yrs older in terms of viewership would make a lot of money. Many of us "liked" the film, but would've loved some kind of edge to it. The film did very well at the box-office and was a more than solid dvd release, if those things happened and it was released on Blu Ray, it'd do even better than the current dvd. Jackson made a packet out of his extended editions. Adamsons film would do well for the studio with a slightly more than grown up feel.

  • April 3, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Just give us the trailer

    by AntoniusBloc

    I don't really see the point of reports like this, i don't care how good it is written, a film is meant to be watched, don't get it. And this talkback is probably one of the most full of dumbass comments I've ever heard. The Narnia haters seem to talk as if the first film was a failure, check the box office stats. Adamson is a still fairly new to this, starting in animation, I think he's done a brilliant job, I loved the first film, and from the tv spots I've seen recently Adamson seems to be advancing quickly. As for those saying Lewis was a bad writer, you can't forget these stories are directed toward children, as an apologetic writer and philosopher Lewis is a geniuus. His fiction writing not on the level of Tolkien, but he was more of a philosopher. What influenced both of their writing is medieval philosophy, the synthesis of reason and faith.

  • April 3, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Good review quint but...

    by Yeti

    will you review the whole thing when it comes out?

  • April 3, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    films for 10 y/os

    by Rupee88

    don't expect to like this because it's made for dumb little kids like the first one was

  • April 3, 2008, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Scared, Caspian unwraps his package...

    by Captain Mal

    ... and we find the horn.<p> LOL

  • April 4, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    gotham night read rupee's comment

    by AntoniusBloc

    If you can't figure out the plot for movie for 'dumb litle kids', there's no hope. I think Harry Potter is a movie more accurate to the dumb little kids description, or rather dumb adults who are still adolescents, kids are much wiser...the plot's not ver complicated, but there is a lot of complex philosophical layers where Lewis makes apologetic argument in favor of Christian philosophy, the reality of the miraculous, and the truth contained in myth...what's important is that the filmmaker make the plot work visually, and I thought that was accomplished. Unlike PJ with LOTR, Adamson challenge is addition to the plot because Lewis did not make it complicated. Here's a good tv spot from the Disney channel, aimed probably more toward the Disney channel audience to help you understand gotham: <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/b6p7yWiFYKE&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/b6p7yWiFYKE&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

  • April 4, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST

    sound like your were pickedup by viggo in eastern promises

    by ironic_name

  • April 4, 2008, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Quint

    by D o o d

    I always wonder when people are asked by the big studios whether it's possible to keep a subjective view on things. I really like your report but I do feel that it's quite easy to like something when presented to you by the creators and their main aim is to make you feel comfortable and special. I don't want to sound condesending but I have been to screenings where the director and actors were present and come across as really nice people. You almost end up liking the project more even though it may be terrible. Adamsons first outing with Narnia was just pure aweful so I really hope you're right and they've done a better job this time.

  • April 4, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST

    The True Priapic

    by Seph_J

    Same problem here mate. I find older films are a winner. For example try Hitchcock. Rear Window, North By Northwest etc. Anything Cary Grant too is generally a winner. Try and get her into particular actors. <p> I've moved my lady on to thrillers... things like Fatal Attraction go down well.... stepped it up film by film... until I semi-forced HALLOWEEN on her... (the original of course). Get this, she VOLUNTARILY sat through the entire Halloween series and loves them. <p> Interested to know where in the country you are...

  • April 4, 2008, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Seph_J and China in general..

    by The True Priapic

    I'm in Wuxi,Jiangsu which is okay.And I may add that you are absolutely right....old films,Cary Grant and bloody Audrey Hepburn...oh and goddamn Titanic seem guarenteed choices.It has sadly got to the point now where My Girl now questions why all western films are scary and/or about monsters/killing so I changed our viewing habits.Sadly,I may be going through a "China week" at the moment as Im rather impatient with this country/people.The more foreigners that come here the worse it gets.I'm consistantly fending off people trying to rip me off.The inherent racism is seemingly becoming more prevalent too.The 'old ways' are rising again.For example,a guy who tops up my phone for me yesterday said he was not looking forward to the Olympics as it would bring more blacks to China.Aghast I said "Er,why do't you like them?" His reply was that their skin stinks.At this point......well,words can't express the disappointment.This is a backward and uneducated country at many times,and my constant utterunce of "It's not their fault" is growing tired.Happily my experience is generally rounded out by genuinely lovely people who make it worth while staying here.This country has taught me one thing...Canadians are very strange.And even though the Chinese loathe the Japanese,Hello Kitty(a Jap import) is adored.Double standard is what CHina is all about.Trust me,I'm a teacher who works for a fucking company that employs good looking morons who wouldn't get a job back home working in a chippy.I'm still there because I'm an idiot.....Bad day all round really.Red Mist still all encompasing....need a beer..

  • April 4, 2008, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Catherine FUCKING Tate

    by The True Priapic

    Anyone notice how strange looking she is?The wallpapers available at the official site freak me out.It's like she's related to that friendly shapeshifting green alien character from The Fantastic Four.I swear to God,I can almost smell her.I've seen better looking birds serving in Leicestershire chip shops!!Fucking hell.What is wrong with her?Is she deformed or something?God can be so cruel.To make someone so incredibly ugly and devoid of any talent AND give her the whiniest most annoying voice ever heard is just plain cruel.God,the smell.Like 10 year old fish batter.Get her face away from me.The stench.Oh,Christ....AND God made her a ginger.The Tardis hasn't stunk so bad since Bonnie Langford followed through.

  • April 4, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    They've axed Grange Hill.

    by The True Priapic

    They let it get too obsessed with teen pregnancies and drugs.THey should have kept what made it magic in the first place:it's realism!!English schools are all about bullying fat kids,racist bullies and bird's first periods!No english person in their thirties will ever forget the appalling acting of Roland Browning's stalker/friend "Why weren't you at school RO-LAND?",who could forget the magic of that lad drowning in the deep end of the swimming pool,Roland Browning's chip diet,Gripper Stebson's quiff and terrifyingly evil faced bullyboys,Bennie's footie skills and Alan's lovable but useless fatty?I demand a reboot.God,what a week.I feel like punching a German.I'm going for a pint.Fuck Narnia.

  • April 4, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    The True Priapic

    by Seph_J

    Yes friend, it's a frustrating country. Especially recently with all of the blind patriotism, and refusing to believe anything other than the crap they are told. How does your lady take it when you try to explain the world to her? I always refer to anything outside China as 'the real world'. Ha, my God, the hours we must have spent arguing. HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS. <p> Back to old films... try to weeeen her off the happy-happy films, by showing her an old film... thats a little thrilling. Then just progress to a slightly less old flim thats a little scary. Then just keep stepping it up, until she's watching The Exorcist! I have to say, I've done quite well and am proud of my achievements. <p> She still drives me fucking ape-shit when she starts telling me 'how do I know these things' (in reference to the truth about why China is such a shit-hole sometimes. Tibet, etc.). <p> I'm in Guangdong by the way. Don't let it get to you. Rise above it. Thats what I tell myself... <p> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • April 4, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    ..yeh...

    by Seph_J

    "it's not their fault... it's the Governments!"... ha ha ha ha... yes...I suppose its true.... but when you see an entire nation of people who are seemingly not even making an effort to learn, understand, or question things, and who are so blindly in love with the idea of China, that little sentence really does wear thin. <p> Oh I secretly pray the Olympics will be a colossal failure. Maybe then the people will question why it was.

  • April 4, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    kungfuhustler84

    by LegoKenobi

    to answer your question, i don't know. i don't know why tolkien took care of saurman in that way, but it does tie all the stuff that was hinted at in the shire before they left back to a cause at the end. as for the rest, i have to say that i fucking LOVE the ending in the shire. i love that we get to see what happens to not only sam and frodo, but also merry and pippin. it shows that yes, they had these life-changing experiences, but they are each a part in the longer tapestry of hobbit history. the scope is just awesome. i know it's not for everyone, but i have always loved the scouring.

  • April 4, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    rings

    by Quint

    The story isn't focused on the journey, it's focused on Frodo, hence the shire ending. It makes perfect sense. The story ends with his sailing off to the Grey Havens and Sam writing about Frodo's life because it was always Frodo's story. At least that's what I got out of the books.

  • April 4, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    rings

    by Seph_J

    Makes sense. If Rings is indeed the story of Frodo, then thats all very well. But, if the story is Sam's, as some believe, then surely it ought to have continued long after Frodo leaves for the Havens. How Sam continues his own story, without Frodo.

  • April 4, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Seph....

    by The True Priapic

    aye,agreed.Totally.Dwelling too much on how to bring them out of the dreadful child-like state is worthless.I have challenged many things here...a direct example was the usual dreadful example for teachers 'what would you do if you had a time machine' (2nd conditional stuff) and I was followed into the staff room by guys who wanted an argument."I am an engineer!!Why would I need a time machine!?THis is for children!" my answer?"Good use of 2nd conditional" ..By the way..I know I can't type...In my day we did it with pencils and pens!!!And the DOctor's companions were fit like Teegan....

  • April 4, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Horrible story..and FUCK NARNIA!

    by The True Priapic

    a good friend fancied a Chinese gal for ages.She dated a MONSTER.Typical kind of old brit refugee who had found no place for his POV at home so had tried Asia and dated her for a while before getting rid of her because she was fat(she wasnt he just anted pre teen ass.fucking filth)Anyway....my mate eventeually ended up in bed with her(she was years older and still fairly lovely(but nuts))and mid sex she asked "Do you want to put it in my bottom?" He didn't and left.I hate what some of us 'fairly nice' people have to answer for here.I'm certainly hapy to announce that most of Canadians here are insane.

  • April 4, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    right

    by Seph_J

    in my day the doctors companions held a boom-box on their shoulder, and pinned hundreds of badges to their jacket...I'm not sure if we've got forward of backwards since then. Always had a thing for Jo Grant though. Is that weird? <p> The problem with China is... its full of Chinese. And likewise, the problem with America is.. its full of Americans. <p> not sure that 'putting it in her bottom' is all that bad though mate.... where's the harm in that?

  • April 4, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    My friend..

    by The True Priapic

    there are bum that are extremely fuckable(giselle)and there are bums that need a wash.And an enema.She needed both.Personally,I love bums but don't feol the need mid-nookie to rip her a new one.A fanny will doo.Preferably Tasha Yar's.Phwooaaarrr!

  • April 4, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    For the 87th time....

    by Jaka

    ...I really liked the first film. And I only say that because Quint just explained what he thought about it for the 87th time. lol Love ya, man. Great work. I'm really looking forward to this one. And yaaaaaay AICN exclusives. And you are correct about the Rings films, PJ, Fran and Phillipa explained it that way themselves many times.

  • April 5, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST

    ...

    by Seph_J

    for me to turn down a Chinese girls ass hole, there would have to be something seriously wrong with it. And really, what could possibly be so wrong with an asshole that you turn it down?

  • April 5, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    All in all a good day's lessons.

    by thebearovingian

    Wow. Today at AICN I learned about airport delays, the upcoming Prince Caspian movie, English cuisine, Chinese culture, and doing Chinese girls in the @ss. I already knew about O'Hare from personal experience so that doesn't count (although repetition is the key to learning). And the Final Four starts in a few hours!! This is the best day EVER!!

  • April 5, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Repetition is the key to learning....so...

    by Seph_J

    i'll repeat that you'll never find a tighter ass than that of a young Chinese girl. Hope that sinks in.

  • April 6, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Sounds too dark

    by snowpuff

    If parents won't take their kids to see this, the box office will be extremely disappointing. I don't know what the producers are thinking.

  • April 6, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Sounds too dark

    by snowpuff

    If parents won't take their kids to see this, the box office will be extremely disappointing. I don't know what the producers are thinking.

  • April 7, 2008, 8:05 a.m. CST

    I'M CONFUSED

    by caltsoudas

    a) Why would have breakfast at a Pub? That's just nasty. b) What's wrong with Catherine Tate? Not only is it refreshingly original for a ficitonal action series to have a female lead who is comical, but also one who looks like a real every day woman instead of a hot model.

  • April 7, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    My name's not Pedro. Who gives a fuck...

    by thelivingdoll

    ...what your name is. I'm talking about my car!

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