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Confirmation Of THE HOBBIT's Composer!!
Merrick here...
This won't come too big a surprise, as the possibility/probability was referenced by ScoreKeeper in an interview with Howard Shore that was published quite a while back. However, with THE HOBBIT enduring so much flux, nothing seemed certain for a while.
Ian McKellen's recent statements about his intent to return as Gandalf, as well as hints that a few other details of the film are at long last solidifying, suggest this project is finally coming together (provided litigation from the Tolkien estate doesn't slam the brakes on yet again - [DETAILS HERE).
One detail concerns Howard Shore & whether or not he'd be back for another round of scoring. Kris sent in the following message, which pretty much speaks for itself.
Hi Harry,
Yesterday evening I was able to go to "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - Score Performed Live to the Epic Motion Picture" in Lucerne in Switzerland.
Composer Howard Shore attended, and participated in a small session on the scoring the music for FOTR.
Towards the end the audience had the opportunity to ask some questions. One person asked about his involvement in THE HOBBIT. Mr. Shore replied that he is involved. Apparently he has been working on ideas since working on the THE TWO TOWERS.
For Mr. Shore it will be the first time he will be working with Guillermo del Toro.
Regards
Kris
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i have a drug hobbit
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is the new first
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is the old second
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It better include Leonard Nimoy singing or else...
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His musical interpretation of Middle Earth was pitch perfect. He'll be a welcomed return for this project.
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To be honest I'm glad Del Toro is directing this and not Jackson. If PJ had been doing it there was a chance of things maybe getting a little stale due to him retreading old ground. And just IMAGINE what Del Toro is going to do with the Mirkwood part (for those who don't know, it's the creepiest forest in the whole of Middle-earth) and SMAUG (huge speaking red dragon that burns an entire town to the ground!!)
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March 31, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST
because they had enough of hobbits from the first 3 movies?
by BRUTICUS
hobbits are too homo erotic for my liking
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And have to look backwards to it?
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The only iconic adventure film score in the last two decades. And as much as I love the films, sometimes his beautiful music was the only thing that got me through all the endless scenes of characters looking at eachother in slow motion.
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regarding Shore, no reason to not have him involved. His work on the LOTRs movies was phenomenal. Glad he's aboard!
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The Two Towers was the best musical score I've ever heard in my life. EVER.
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This is looking better and better. Del Toro said in a recent interview (Empire or Total Film) that he would never have entered the project if he didn't have the utmost respect for the cinematic world he's been invited to play in. In other words, yes, it may be lighter in tone, but this will definitely feel like part of the overall saga. <p> This is excellent news.
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And that's because the other three bored me to tears!
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Happy about Del Toro and Shore, but settling into the same familiar sense of fear that I had before the trilogy movies. Except a little more so, because I've always thought The Hobbit would be a bear to adapt to a screenplay.
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Some news on this. Just get it made and fight later.
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LOTR = Best Movies Ever Made!!! PERIOD!!!! Nothing has come close since. BTW, watched No Country for Old Men this weekend. Eh? It was good but not great. Not at all as good as I thought it would be going on all the reviews. Whatever.
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this is shaping up nicely, I must admit.
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I'm not a big fan of hers, but I thought her songs were a nice addition.
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I was just listening to the "Two Towers" score yesterday...what a chance encounter, or was it? I can think of no other composer who would provide the continuity between the two movie scores. Aiya!
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...will there be a narrator for the movie as in the book? Much of the humor (dry or otherwise) is provided in the narrators comments and he also sets the tone for the "child-like" quality of the book. Thoughts?
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Retarded handle and 2 incorrect statements. Strike 3, you're out.
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I'm no watching!
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Does anyone know why we have no HD Lord of the Rings yet? I am sure the answer is out there on the internet somewhere, surely someone (or more probably, everyone but me) on here knows off the top of their head?
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... wasn't really a falling out between Shore and Jackson. You know, they both said they would stay friends after it, but that they just had different visions and all that, and usually, when that is said in Hollywood, it's the kiss of death to freidnships and partnerships like that. But I always forget that PJ isn't part of Hollywood and says what he means and means what he says. I'm ecstatic that Shore will be composing the two Hobbit films, and can only imagine the Oscar-goodness he has in store for his excellent work!
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Jackson is a Halo fanboy and allied with Microsoft and they and the studio was originally in the HD-DVD camp... However with an average runtime film like Transformers running out of space on a dual layered HD-DVD and the inevitable blu-ray victory a lot of them are scrambling to catch up with the competition. It'll be out at some point... maybe they're waiting for higher capacity blu-ray discs, or like Warners they want to time the release right by waiting until closer to the Hobbit movie's release like what Warners are doing with Batman Begins by releasing it closer to the Dark Knight's debut. I'm sure that when it does it'll probably be the extended editions with all the bells and whistles in a boxset and a coupon for the hobbit.
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It just doesn't lend itself to epic film production.
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I get the feeling after New Line got pwn3d that the powers-that-be are making the wrong things right again. Of course Howard Shore's coming back, and so is Andy Serkis and Ian McKellan, et al. Now let's get the official announcement out already and get on with pre-production. We ain't getting any younger.
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Who was the fat dwarf, Bombur? He'd better be super fucking fat, or I'll be disapointed.
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I thought he was still in talks.
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the best movies ever made needs to stop shutting their heads in car doors and jacking off to hobbit midget porn tickle fights. Mediocrity thy name is Rings.
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Apparently don't watch sports, either, because there are too many guys patting each other on the ass. <p> I don't watch sports, but I do like these movies, and I don't see anything gay in them. I think the only homoeroticism in The Lord of the Rings films is that which you bring with you. <p> You're seeing it on the screen because it's in your heart. Embrace your love for men and stop trashing the movie because your daddy told you to stop playing doctor with the neighbor boy when you were a lad.
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...poeticwarriorII.
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Tolkien just told it as a children's story (which is how he started LOTR but that just grew and grew). It's still set across his huge sprawling landscape of Middle-earth and that needs to be shown in full here in this adaptation. Also, it looks like we're gonna get events that Tolkien included in his other writings. Gandalf's mission during the book will be shown. In the book he just disappears for a long time and returns. It's on this mission that he discovers Sauron has returned. By the way, if anyone thinks there isn't a screenplay written they should think again! Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens have had a while to work on it in the background. They probably started it during LOTR production! We already know some design work for The Hobbit was done years ago.
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Yeah it's Del Toro but there is still that dissapointment that there isn't any continuity. As there will be in Batman 3 when there is another Joker.
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kill yourself so we don't have to see your stupid opinions anymore.
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ever written. Such perfection. Cult of Luna do the same thing but in the postrock-metal world. The only theme Shore was beaten on was the Heroic/Fellowship theme, which although being one of the top 5 most inspiring bombastic hero themes alongside Star Wars rescue theme and Superman, it has been beaten by the most epic badass bombastic inspirational hero theme ever. MOLOSSUS the Batman action/hero theme by Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard. Until it is beaten by the Green Lantern Corps action theme by....Howard Shore?
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My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious. AICN, please stop posting bullshit news reported by fanboys and passing it off as confirmations from studios. Here's another confirmation for you: "I think you're lazy." You get most "news" a day or two later than such sites as Empire Online, or even Crave.
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Well it's not like Jackson just up and left you know. He'll still be exec producing this, and I'm sure he'll be very hands on with it, keeping it continuous. What I'd like to know is if Andrew Lesnie will be coming back to DP. The man is a legend and I wouldn't want anyone else behind the camera when this starts shooting, even though I love Navarro's work with Del Toro. That's something that would really influence visual continuity. (Also, wonder who'll edit this - one of the three LotR editors, or someone Del Toro brings with him?)
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that crescendo is just abstract and poetic. I don't know what it is, but it's one of the best things i've ever heard.
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March 31, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST
And when he's replaced with, say, Marco Beltrami...
by Stalin vs Predator
...will Jackson say "Marco was always my first choice"? You know, the way he went around saying about Shore as his "first choice" for FotR, even though he originally picked Kilar to score it...?
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And, as this is a thread about the music for LOTR, I'd like to mention the following. <p> I remember reading way back when the LOTR production was first getting under way that Jackson's initial choice for composer, Wojciech Kilar (composer for BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA, which has one of the great gothic/creepy/epic scores in modern film), was rejected by the studio heads. I remember thinking at the time, "Wow, Jackson knows what the hell he’s doing," and "damn the studio heads for their foolishness." <p> When it was announced that Howard Shore was chosen instead, I was disappointed because I thought he'd produce a typical Hollywood score. And I think I was right. In fact, in my opinion, the score Howard Shore produced is so typical that it’s practically anonymous (like so many scores produced for Hollywood movies these days). <p> By comparison, the Kilar score for Coppola’s Dracula pulsates with mood and displays cunning applications of fantastical, otherworldly themes indicative of the horror elements in that movie. He’s an extremely thoughtful composer who considers the thematic, symbolic, and dramatic aspects of a film, whereas Shore is mostly a pedantic composer concerned only with hitting the emotional cues that let audiences know when to feel sad or happy or angry or frightened. <p> Obviously, this is my own personal assessment of the differences between Kilar and Shore, and of Shore’s final product for the LOTR trilogy. In the end, the only aspect of the films that truly disappointed me was the score. Fortunately, Shore’s music is so shapelessly innocuous that it doesn’t impede the overall enjoyment of the LOTR films. <p> As to those who dislike the movies in general, you’re beyond help. :)
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It may well be the best film score ever composed. <BR><BR>Aside from soundtrack, though, only FOTR was a true film masterpiece. TTT was great, though heavily flawed, and ROTK had some phenomenal moments but, tragically, was a failure with one too many missteps (e.g., Frodo sending framed Sam home, Gandalf and Shadowfax murdering Denethor, no Scouring--which was the ultimate point of JRRT's work).
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Shore has got his moments, but he's so Hollywood. In a pompous Titanic kind of way. With Del Toro directing i hoped they would go more eclectic with the sounds. Or is Jackson still pulling all the (pun intended) strings?
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I don't remember Draculas score but the qualities you name sound very good. And yes, Shore goes straight for the emotional heart-strings. Didn't know he wasn't Jackson's first choice, that makes me regard Jackson higher.
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i love them all, but the fellowship's score was pure perfection from the word go. the 2nd two movies had themes from fellowship to elaborate on, but everything was riding on howard shore getting the moods down right for the first movie, and he did so like a champ. i still get tears of happiness when i hear the opening theme music for "concerning hobbits," because it reminds me of the first time i saw fellowship on opening night. that first view of hobbiton as gandalf rides in, and that music picks up? i gasped and said "damnit -- they got it all PERFECTLY!" pure magic.
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use to wipe his ass with. LOTR scores only have small moments that work for me. ZEPPELIN is the way to go.
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Now it can be revealed that 'The Hobbit' shall have a narrator and BG has informed me that it shall be none other than yours truly. Great sticklebats!! What an awesome responsibility!!! (Un)Fortunately the timing is quite convenient as I suddenly have a lot of free time on my hands ever since a certain club shut its doors. Sigh - I need a drink.
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why ? Because Hobbits are gay. What was cool about LOTR ? Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, the Rohirrim, Boromir, etc. And Hobbits ? Without a doubt the slowest point of the whole movie. They need to take some chances and instead of making The Hobbit all about Hobbits, they should make it about flesh-eating zombies and topless elvish chicks played by Kate Bekinsale and Jessica Alba. Guaranteed Oscars, baby.
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and themes I've heard in years. Catchy ones. That just isn't really done anymore unless you count Williams.
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What would Michael Bay do without you?
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March 31, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST
A Fistful Of Little Miss Hobbit Children Of Hellboy
by performingmonkey
That's what the second movie should be titled. The first movie should be There And Back Again: A Hobbit's Tale
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Bravo on getting Howard Shore back for THE HOBBIT film(s)--- can't wait for his new "Smaug" and "Battle of the Five Armies" cues to appear along with the returning music from the LOTR films to complete his immense, career-defining "Middle Earth Cycle"... <br> <br> Too bad though for Shore's longtime fans hoping that he'd go back to his earlier, more "experimental" musical explorations after his time with LOTR. Something more along his Cronenberg scores like "CRASH" or "NAKED LUNCH", say. But after the massive sell-out success of the Jackson films and working with a complete full Orchestral battalion + choir + Enja/Annie Lennox, I could see it may be tough for him to return to the smaller scale of just using 6 electric guitars for a soundtrack--- or asking someone like Ornette Coleman to work with him--- anytime soon...
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Shore's score made the LoTR trilogy. The artistry of it just shames all the pathetic crap that passes for film scores nowadays. Sadly, I'd bet if they did a poll, at least half the morons who claim to be film fans would opt for a drop D tuned guitar medley with some wicked solos, bra.
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yes, LOTR had some superior soundtracks but to say any of them were the "best ever"? fuck you They may be your personal favorite but you could through Zimmer/Gerrard vs. Shore/Enya and 99% couldn't tell the difference.... 'cept that Lisa Gerrard has a stronger voice than Enya Brennan. Even when considering Shore's work LOTR is far below Naked Lunch
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Self righteous prick.
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with ANYthing? She sang one fucking song on the soundtrack.<BR><BR>BTW, you might want to brush up on your sentence construction, shithead (i.e., your fragments are out of control even for a typical TB troll).
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BTW, you might want to brush up on your liner notes for Fellowship.
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I was busy being a self-righteous prick. Don't correct me until I'm done making a COMPLETE prick, shithead and jack ass out of myself. Lest ye too become a self righteous prick like me and Noddy here.
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Hah! I KNEW that would happen. Fuck it.<BR><BR>On the brighter side, I still think that Enya's work on the LOTR as a whole was minimal (ok--a whopping TWO tracks). And, yeah--TTT may well NOT be the "best ever," but imo it's definitely one of the best.<BR><BR>And to conclude my jack assitude: <BR><BR>Go fuck yourselves, TBers. Your [sic] worthless fucks.<BR><BR>And by the way, Troy is pretty great. <BR><BR>Hah!
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and they can't have Ian Holm as Bilbo. It's a mistake to reuse some but not others. They should use an entirely new cast along with the new director.
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Because I don't care how much people love Pan's Labyrinth, Jackson is the man who should be directing this movie. I am very disappointed that after all this, Jackson is making fucking Tin Tin instead of the Hobbit.
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and it is much better then I remember, very funny moments, but I think the idea of two films will help make the production more epic...couple things though they should get right this time...Glamdring glows with blue light just as Sting...and with CGI and how believable the Narnia films made it look, the animals must talk, especially Gwaihir, just some cool dialogue between the great eagle and Gandalf. Shore is perfect, and was probably the best thing about the films, that they got just right...Shore had to come back, still wish it was Jackson, not sold on Guillermo yet, i'd be more comfortable with Adamson if it can't be PJ...McKellan was great but earlier post may be right, he may be too old, I think Liam Neeson has the physical build Tolkien seemed to describe for Gandalf, and he has the powerful voice and acting skills...I also like Mcevoy as Bilbo, just watch him as Tumnus, and you can kind of picture him as the Hobbit.
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March 31, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST
Peter Jackson should direct it, anyone else will fuck it up
by Brian_De_Man
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March 31, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST
I cannot wait to see if they fuck the dragon up! Don't make it
by Brian_De_Man
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retard fucking moron if you can't think of anything better than that to say please fuck off and play with yourself a little more and save another virgin retard from your wretched shit covered midget dick. PS, fuck you for reading you nut covered cum bucket.
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He, without a doubt, created some of the most memorable themes and motifs heard in film in quite a long time. I will gladly take the "The Breaking of the Fellowship", the Rohan theme, or the Gondor theme, and beat you with it. And I don't mean to be overly blunt but some of you sound musically clueless.
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Again, you are neither poetic nor a warrior. You should change your name to homophobicprickII. Find something more applicable man cause you're jamming everybody's bandwidth here.
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Yeah it's a repeat, but still. Always nice to see them in HD. Even though they'll have ads and they're not the extended versions. So I won't wanna watch it. Because to me its missing scenes.
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i thought this was about a new muppet movie.
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so who voices him? Jeremy Irons would be nice. Or Christopher Lee.
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I can't wait to hear that one. I hope they don't fuck it up. They are not bad soundtracks but only the main theme is rememberable to me.
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I would suggest Beetlejuice. Or Rosie O'Donnel. Both would be perfect.
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for Bilbo
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I want a new take on this material. Bring it to England and film it in the real shires, like Tolkien imagined it.
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Excuse me? How exactly am I always "policing" the Talkbacks? Have you ever bothered to read any of poeticwarriorII's posts? Get back to me when you have a clue. Spam bitch.
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My band is louder than God. We win.
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If everyone had read this at the same time, I'm sure the air pressure from the resulting collective "Duh!" would have knocked the Earth off it's axis.
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I always heard a slight New Yawker accent in me head when reading the Hobbit {[:^) BTW, you simply MUST read 'The history of the Hobbit.'<p> Be of good cheer! I have it on good authority that the Club will be up and running within the week! Stay tuned mellon...
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Yes, he is a very old looking 68, but he's looked older than his age for most if not all of his life. Assuming he doesn't kick it unexpectedly, McKellen should be Gandalf-ready for another five years at least. <BR><BR>Ian Holm, otoh, is sadly WAY too old at this point to play a fifty year old (at most thirty something in human years) hobbit. He's seventy-six. If there was a way to de-age Holm that would be at all realistic I would say do it, but unfortunately that's beyond the skills of even the wizards at WETA I think. To me Holm's Bilbo and McKellen's Gandalf were the two best casting choices in Jackson's LOTR (which is saying a lot). <BR><BR>And for the homophobes whining about homoerotic hobbits, you'll be relieved to know that there is in fact only ONE hobbit highlighted in this story--and he isn't repeatedly holding hands or hugging another male of any species. BTW, you KNOW the only people concerned about "homoerotic hobbits" are teenagers flipping out about their own bodies or angry adults struggling with their own hidden sexual desires (and taking their self loathing out on others).
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...Is like Star Wars without Williams.
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played the role 10 years younger and if you don't have Holm there is no reason to keep ANY of the original actors. There are others capable of playing these roles. They should make a clean break to match the total difference in tone and style between Hobbit and LOTR.
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They made McKellen look at least ten to twenty older than he was with makeup. McKellen too old to play Gandalf? Ha! The filmmakers would be fools to not cast one of the best actors alive today in a role he completely knocked out of the park (well, as Gandalf the Grey at any rate). <BR><BR>Your logic about Holm makes no sense to me. In short, I disagree utterly with it.
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