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Justice Done Regarding The Man of Steel... SUPERMAN - but what does this do for creator's rights in general?

Hey folks, Harry here... Moriarty sent me this link wanting to read my take on an article in the New York Times regarding a monumental court ruling over the goldmine known as SUPERMAN.

You see Siegel and Shuster sold the rights to Superman "to have and hold forever," for a grand prize of $130 - which must've felt like a kingly sum in 1937 - bet it must've felt like untold riches at that time. However, the money generating power quickly dwarfed that sum and if SUPERMAN has a power beyond all his other alien abilities - it's his ability to create sums of money that even he couldn't leap in a single bound.

Now DC wasn't evil... forever. For 30 years - the creators of Superman got ass. But then received pay-outs of $20k and then later that was raised to $30k a year. Meanwhile - SUPERMAN's profits soared faster than a speeding bullet.

The relatives of Mr. Siegel are now part owners of the character of SUPERMAN - and owed a cut from all SUPERMAN properties created post-1999. This could complicate the sequel to SUPERMAN RETURNS as well as JUSTICE LEAGUE... but honestly - Warners isn't stupid - they know the financial power of the character and will continue to exploit the man of steel as only a bald mastermind would. It's just that justice and fairness is being brought to the family of Siegel.

Now what does this say about other creators that perhaps didn't get their fair share by indenturing their creations to untold eons of slavery? To me... the question comes to mind... Would Ub Iwerks' estate be owed a percentage of Mickey Mouse related profits? And would a judge rule to that family? What about the creators of all those other characters in comics... The Jack Kirby estate? Steve Ditko? Is it possible for the creators to regain control and profit from their creations? This ruling certainly seems to establish that precedent. And it is a powerful (and just ruling).

This could very well be the beginning of a mighty precedent that could very well reverse a great injustice that creators have suffered to see their characters brought to light. But at least one judge in California has ruled for creator's rights. Warners will appeal, of course - but in a way - Superman is returning to Jor-El - and maybe Krypton didn't explode afterall. Just maybe this is a miracle.

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It's time for Property Tax on copyrights
by The_Breeze
Mar 31st, 2008
02:33:56 AM
last
by Brians Life
Mar 31st, 2008
02:34:45 AM
Thanks!
by TheRealMoriarty
Mar 31st, 2008
02:35:17 AM
By the way, just saw this on Aussie daily Telegraph
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYan ks
Mar 31st, 2008
02:39:27 AM
Looks like the WB just got "Fingered"
by Jobacca
Mar 31st, 2008
02:40:13 AM
Some small justice.
by namasteandgoodluck
Mar 31st, 2008
02:41:02 AM
Kirby, Ditko - work for hire
by screech
Mar 31st, 2008
02:49:36 AM
Wow so the creators of Spider-Ham will get their dues
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYan ks
Mar 31st, 2008
02:52:03 AM
Good for them, but...
by yesiamaplant
Mar 31st, 2008
02:53:56 AM
It's easily solved for Warners...
by LordPorkington
Mar 31st, 2008
02:54:25 AM
They sold it...fuck 'em
by ShiftyEyedDog2
Mar 31st, 2008
02:54:26 AM
They don't own 1/2 of Superman...at least not as we know him any
by The Letter J
Mar 31st, 2008
02:55:40 AM
Kal-el Skywalker
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYan ks
Mar 31st, 2008
02:58:17 AM
When Disney characters become public domain owned...
by LordPorkington
Mar 31st, 2008
02:58:40 AM
Public Domain is a joke
by ShiftyEyedDog2
Mar 31st, 2008
02:59:21 AM
Where is she?
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYan ks
Mar 31st, 2008
03:00:33 AM
ShiftyEyedDog2...
by LordPorkington
Mar 31st, 2008
03:09:18 AM
LordPorkington:
by ShiftyEyedDog2
Mar 31st, 2008
03:13:45 AM
This is bull.
by Reelheed
Mar 31st, 2008
03:15:29 AM
I agree, public domain sucks
by IndustryKiller!
Mar 31st, 2008
03:16:49 AM
Superman is fucked from 2013
by messi
Mar 31st, 2008
03:48:08 AM
They own Action 1 but the modern Supes isn' that Supes
by messi
Mar 31st, 2008
03:50:31 AM
Disney is going to pay to extended copyright
by messi
Mar 31st, 2008
03:54:04 AM
Kal-el Skywalker - definately a badass name
by messi
Mar 31st, 2008
03:55:15 AM
If they get Superman they can't do anything with him
by messi
Mar 31st, 2008
03:56:52 AM
Come to me son of Jor-El!
by kwisatzhaderach
Mar 31st, 2008
04:01:54 AM
Damn you Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
Mar 31st, 2008
04:04:19 AM
ShiftyEyedDog2 is right
by James Westfall
Mar 31st, 2008
04:08:59 AM
Messi...
by LordPorkington
Mar 31st, 2008
04:24:45 AM
Imagine how fucking ridiculous it would be...
by The Gas
Mar 31st, 2008
04:26:17 AM
Damn right...
by Sledge Hammer
Mar 31st, 2008
04:34:14 AM
All for creator's rights, but...
by superduper3000
Mar 31st, 2008
04:34:27 AM
JUSTICE!!!!!
by geodesigns
Mar 31st, 2008
04:39:53 AM
Marvel Comics Presents --- Superman!!
by geodesigns
Mar 31st, 2008
04:48:49 AM
Quick, WB... there IS a solution. (DRUM) Call Brian Singer!
by Stalin vs Predator
Mar 31st, 2008
04:55:40 AM
More Superman options
by geodesigns
Mar 31st, 2008
04:57:04 AM
Keep Superman whole
by Live.
Mar 31st, 2008
05:02:51 AM
Superman fans
by geodesigns
Mar 31st, 2008
05:22:11 AM
How is it injustice if owner sold its rights
by theycallmemrglass
Mar 31st, 2008
05:26:13 AM
So let me get this straight...
by Horseflesh
Mar 31st, 2008
05:45:55 AM
I Can Finally Sleep Again
by LaserPants
Mar 31st, 2008
05:49:31 AM
owner's rights are fucked soon
by ironic_name
Mar 31st, 2008
05:58:05 AM
Horseflesh
by messi
Mar 31st, 2008
06:06:25 AM
They did get money though - that yearly pension
by messi
Mar 31st, 2008
06:09:48 AM
KEEP SUPERMAN AT DC
by messi
Mar 31st, 2008
06:11:23 AM
A contact's a contract
by The StarWolf
Mar 31st, 2008
06:13:04 AM
How do you figure it?
by The StarWolf
Mar 31st, 2008
06:14:06 AM
oh, LaserPants - you so cray - zah
by ironic_name
Mar 31st, 2008
06:20:27 AM
The StarWolf
by messi
Mar 31st, 2008
06:23:58 AM
The Letter J
by cornponious
Mar 31st, 2008
06:27:02 AM
So now legal and binding contracts mean nothing?
by Yeti
Mar 31st, 2008
06:29:30 AM
This would be better news if the creators were still alive.
by rbatty024
Mar 31st, 2008
06:46:22 AM
If George Lucas taught me anything...
by The Grug
Mar 31st, 2008
06:48:02 AM
Somewhere Frank Miller...
by Gunslinger1919
Mar 31st, 2008
06:58:00 AM
tut!
by teh ran
Mar 31st, 2008
07:17:52 AM
Bush-appointed Consevative Appeals Judge will shoot this down
by Smerdyakov
Mar 31st, 2008
07:21:30 AM
DC may not own certain properties derived from Supes...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Mar 31st, 2008
07:23:56 AM
How is this a just ruling?
by WillowFan2001
Mar 31st, 2008
07:56:25 AM
$uperman
by Spamgelus
Mar 31st, 2008
07:56:57 AM
This is great ! I'm sure Pelosi will create a tax for it!
by snomusic
Mar 31st, 2008
08:19:39 AM
It's Only Just
by Thunderbolt Ross
Mar 31st, 2008
08:21:39 AM
and hey!did a drawing on the net? ever? it may belong to disney!
by ironic_name
Mar 31st, 2008
08:34:59 AM
orphan BILL, not ball.
by ironic_name
Mar 31st, 2008
08:37:55 AM
....."oh the injustice!"......
by redhankyspanky
Mar 31st, 2008
08:46:31 AM
Grrrr
by Automaton Overlord
Mar 31st, 2008
08:55:28 AM
Too Little, Too Late
by DannyOcean01
Mar 31st, 2008
08:55:33 AM
Freddie vs Jason vs King Kong vs Superman
by performingmonkey
Mar 31st, 2008
08:58:20 AM
Read the book "Men of Tomorrow"
by Zardoz
Mar 31st, 2008
08:59:28 AM
Should I?
by GreenFlashlight
Mar 31st, 2008
09:07:15 AM
"Superman is returning to Jor-El"
by Geekgasm
Mar 31st, 2008
09:25:25 AM
Kirby owns all his Marvel characters
by geodesigns
Mar 31st, 2008
09:30:24 AM
The guy who REALLY created Batman got fucked!
by King Conan
Mar 31st, 2008
09:30:58 AM
Bill Finger...King Conan
by genro
Mar 31st, 2008
09:35:41 AM
Bill Finger you poor bastard...
by King Conan
Mar 31st, 2008
09:40:47 AM
If Harry and Co get the "creator's due" they want...
by genro
Mar 31st, 2008
09:59:08 AM
and no, Shakespeare shouldn't be public domain either
by ShiftyEyedDog2
Mar 31st, 2008
10:19:09 AM
"Art's natural state is to be "owned" by all of mankind"
by ShiftyEyedDog2
Mar 31st, 2008
10:20:42 AM
Bill Finger's story would make an interesting movie.
by JDanielP
Mar 31st, 2008
10:28:19 AM
Meh
by critch
Mar 31st, 2008
10:35:04 AM
Actors/Writers strikes are NOT the same thing
by ShiftyEyedDog2
Mar 31st, 2008
10:44:42 AM
This ruling is insane!
by careyleefisher
Mar 31st, 2008
10:53:14 AM
Messi must be LOVIN' this Talkback...
by Brians Life
Mar 31st, 2008
11:05:07 AM
shiftyeyeddog2
by nowimnthing
Mar 31st, 2008
12:19:23 PM
Bob Kane was a fucking scumbag...
by Sledge Hammer
Mar 31st, 2008
12:21:08 PM
Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution
by nowimnthing
Mar 31st, 2008
12:25:04 PM
Re: They signed a contract! outrage.
by rbatty024
Mar 31st, 2008
12:40:02 PM
wimnthing: So you're equating Art and Cancer Cures?
by ShiftyEyedDog2
Mar 31st, 2008
12:55:58 PM
sorry, should be NOwimnthing
by ShiftyEyedDog2
Mar 31st, 2008
12:56:46 PM
Wow, a lot of hatred toward creators here.
by kevred
Mar 31st, 2008
01:07:20 PM
Guiness Beer Lease Should Be Model For This
by careyleefisher
Mar 31st, 2008
01:07:53 PM
People shouldn't get money for what their ancestors do.
by ZeroCorpse
Mar 31st, 2008
01:09:11 PM
Steve Ditko lives!
by Wormie1
Mar 31st, 2008
01:11:25 PM
Kevred - wrong on MANY points
by ShiftyEyedDog2
Mar 31st, 2008
01:18:54 PM
Kevred - you are absolutely correct
by toadkillerdog
Mar 31st, 2008
01:18:56 PM
Hey, raise your hand if you have actually read...
by rbatty024
Mar 31st, 2008
01:20:15 PM
Hmmm...
by Raelcreve
Mar 31st, 2008
01:24:43 PM
to Toadkillerdog and Raelcreve:
by ShiftyEyedDog2
Mar 31st, 2008
01:32:43 PM
Brians Life
by messi
Mar 31st, 2008
01:34:42 PM
Royboy, We Read and Commented...
by No-Op
Mar 31st, 2008
01:49:29 PM
kevred and toadkillerdog -
by messi
Mar 31st, 2008
01:50:16 PM
any remember...
by m2298
Mar 31st, 2008
01:50:26 PM
This just goes to show
by Philo
Mar 31st, 2008
01:55:04 PM
toadkillerdog, injustice is as injustice does
by No-Op
Mar 31st, 2008
01:55:20 PM
ShiftyEyedDog2
by toadkillerdog
Mar 31st, 2008
01:57:58 PM
ShiftyEyedDog2
by nowimnthing
Mar 31st, 2008
02:02:15 PM
Morally...?
by Raelcreve
Mar 31st, 2008
02:08:05 PM
Again...morally?
by Raelcreve
Mar 31st, 2008
02:11:55 PM
Messi
by toadkillerdog
Mar 31st, 2008
02:14:19 PM
I will admit - I'd feel more sympathy if it were the creators th
by ShiftyEyedDog2
Mar 31st, 2008
02:14:45 PM
the sequel nobody wants.
by DigitalDong
Mar 31st, 2008
02:15:34 PM
The problem with Disney and copyrights.....
by C.K. Lamoo
Mar 31st, 2008
02:20:11 PM
ShiftyEyedDog2
by toadkillerdog
Mar 31st, 2008
02:29:26 PM
Good for the Siegels - fuck DC and Warner Bros.
by Steve Rogers
Mar 31st, 2008
03:10:14 PM
Oh yeah, and here's to Bill Finger!
by Steve Rogers
Mar 31st, 2008
03:13:54 PM
Seigel, Shuster, and Smallville...
by Falcon-1
Mar 31st, 2008
03:16:01 PM
The nature of comics makes this different
by Coleman Francis
Mar 31st, 2008
03:41:07 PM
What about Robert Crumb?
by C.K. Lamoo
Mar 31st, 2008
03:44:50 PM
And Harry Reams only got $500 dollars for doing "Deep Throat."
by C.K. Lamoo
Mar 31st, 2008
03:47:30 PM
DUMB RULING
by one9deuce
Mar 31st, 2008
03:49:45 PM
It's all because Superman Returns was shit
by AlwaysThere
Mar 31st, 2008
04:22:31 PM
Anchorite
by C.K. Lamoo
Mar 31st, 2008
04:44:18 PM
I can't agree with the ruling...
by only1ofme
Mar 31st, 2008
05:04:25 PM
a little common sense here....
by omarthesnake
Mar 31st, 2008
05:30:12 PM
Anchorite and One9Deuce
by toadkillerdog
Mar 31st, 2008
05:33:48 PM
Hopefully this will kill the Justice League movie.
by F-1000
Mar 31st, 2008
05:50:53 PM
It's funny.
by mrfan
Mar 31st, 2008
06:14:51 PM
bacci40 & mrfan
by Philo
Mar 31st, 2008
06:55:52 PM
This is all a joke!
by Angelus_420
Mar 31st, 2008
07:03:42 PM
Modern Superman not included
by jjwspider
Mar 31st, 2008
07:35:52 PM
Falcon1 - Excellent summation...
by genro
Mar 31st, 2008
07:54:52 PM
The contract can be renegotiated as per 1978 ruling
by toadkillerdog
Mar 31st, 2008
08:15:05 PM
Hopefully this will have no impact
by 900LBGorilla
Mar 31st, 2008
09:04:56 PM
900LBGorilla - Termination of copyright
by toadkillerdog
Mar 31st, 2008
09:30:26 PM
WHO OWNS SUPERDOG?
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
10:40:29 PM
What owning Action #1 Superman means...
by Boneyard
Mar 31st, 2008
11:28:26 PM
do people seriously believe in a sequel to superman returns?
by slappy jones
Mar 31st, 2008
11:40:31 PM
Bill Gates Should Be Shittin' His Pants Now
by thelordofhell
Apr 1st, 2008
12:54:27 AM
IP is stupid.
by JimboTHC
Apr 1st, 2008
02:44:00 AM
To all you stupid motherfuckers..
by malificus
Apr 1st, 2008
06:25:48 AM
Falcon-1
by messi
Apr 1st, 2008
06:56:44 AM
Boneyard - yeah maybe they can call it All-Star Superman
by messi
Apr 1st, 2008
07:03:34 AM
Their own fault
by SKULL1138
Apr 1st, 2008
09:43:16 AM
Messi and Skull1138;do you even bother to read the posts?
by toadkillerdog
Apr 1st, 2008
10:01:38 AM
man, shiftyeyeddog2 is a douchebag.
by Two
Apr 1st, 2008
10:12:49 AM
I Straddle The Fence...
by ericinwisconsin
Apr 1st, 2008
01:07:16 PM
To all knuckleheads who say 'The SOLD their rights'
by toadkillerdog
Apr 1st, 2008
01:23:48 PM
Anchorite, did you read the ruling?
by toadkillerdog
Apr 1st, 2008
01:32:08 PM
Anchorite Re: 1976/1978 copyright
by toadkillerdog
Apr 1st, 2008
02:15:08 PM
Captain America was returned to Joe Simon, but Marvel settled
by toadkillerdog
Apr 1st, 2008
02:39:41 PM
Nah, All-Star Superman is more like...
by Boneyard
Apr 1st, 2008
04:44:50 PM
toadkillerdog
by one9deuce
Apr 1st, 2008
06:18:24 PM
Toadkilllerdog
by 900LBGorilla
Apr 1st, 2008
07:29:09 PM
Wingnuts= 3.5 X the IQ of Bacci 40 (which apparently is his IQ)
by 900LBGorilla
Apr 1st, 2008
07:45:22 PM
Hindsight is 20/20
by Marvinatmiddleage
Apr 1st, 2008
10:10:56 PM
One9deuce
by toadkillerdog
Apr 1st, 2008
10:30:40 PM
900LBGorilla
by toadkillerdog
Apr 1st, 2008
10:48:19 PM
Jews fighting over money
by llac12
Apr 1st, 2008
10:51:48 PM

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