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Coverage of the DGA's Memorial To Stanley Kubrick, plus Link to 'NEW' EYES WIDE SHUT mov!!!
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Hey there everyone. Why is this the 'top story'? Because... Quite frankly I love Stanley Kubrick's work. I don't believe I'll completely feel the loss till I see EYES WIDE SHUT, and see what Kubrick had in store for us. I've been thinking a lot about Kubrick, been doing a few interviews about the man, and the thing that keeps hitting me is that I loved the reactions he provoked from his audiences. Whether it be shock or awe or just the fact that he left you THINKING about what you had just seen. A rare commodity in film. What will we think of the master's final work? I for one, can not wait to see for myself. A last tidbit before we go on to Colonel Dax here... Tonight (Monday) on Access Hollywood will be the first actual TRAILER to be seen for EYES WIDE SHUT, the previous bit of film we've seen was a product reel designed especially for the SHOWEST audience. Unfortunately I won't be at home to catch this, so if you find a copy online, post a link in Talk Back below for everyone if you will. Thank you....
Just over two months after the passing of Stanley Kubrick, a crowd of
approximately 400 or so gathered at the Director's Guild theater Sunday
for a memorial service honoring the legendary filmmaker. A Chuck Workman
clipshow created for the occasion started the proceedings. With more
time available, this far eclipsed the one used at the Academy Awards.
The clips worked together well, not only hitting the classic moments we
expected to see, but also creating a larger sense of the humanity and
humor in his work.
Next we heard from Kubrick himself. We watched a tape he had made for
his recent D.W. Griffith Award acceptance speech. In it, he gave a
glimpse into the passion that drove his notorious perfectionism when he
compared filmmaking to "...trying to write War & Peace in a bumper car
at an amusement park...when you finally get it right, there's no feeling
like it." He also referred to the Icharyus myth and how the commonly
accepted moral is that we're not to fly too high, to reach too far.
Instead he said, it might be better to forget about using wax and
feathers and do a better job building the wings.
A wide ranging group of friends and colleagues spoke about his passion
for film, his intelligence, his humor and his loyalty to his friends.
Vincent D'Onofrio came away with the prize for best anecdotes. He
relayed how early in the filming of "Full Metal Jacket" they were
shooting the scene in Vietnam where the men in Joker's platoon are being
picked off one by one by a sniper. D'Onofrio was on the set to observe
and noticed that a van had pulled up and was watching the filming from
some distance away. They had been there for awhile when he finally asked
the 1st Assistant Director who the people sitting in the van were.
Kubrick overheard the query and replied, "Those are the London film
executives. They're not allowed to get out."
Production designer Ken Adam, who worked with Kubrick on both "Barry
Lyndon" and "Dr. Strangelove", illustrated Kubrick's devotion to his
friends by recounting how Stanley took an entire Sunday afternoon to
help him light the supertanker set of "The Spy Who Loved Me."
James B. Harris who produced three films with Kubrick (and handled
pre-production on a fourth) described the experience on their first film
together, "The Killing." After they had completed production, they sat
through a screening with UA's head of production Max Youngstein. When
the lights came back up, they waited for the praise and adulation that
was sure to be heaped on them. Instead, Youngstein said "thanks, we'll
be in touch" and walked out the door. They followed him down the hall
into his office where Stanley insisted that he tell them where they
should go from there. He looked up from his desk and said, "How bout out
the door?" Not taking the hint, they proceeded to ask how he would rank
them in the pantheon of UA directing/producing teams at the time. His
reply? "Not far from the bottom." "The Killing" ended up being
distributed as part of a double bill with a movie called "Bandito." No
doubt this early experience with studio myopia helped form the
perspective that drove him to seek greater and greater control over his
films.
Stephen Spielberg took the mike last and talked about the friendship
that had been formed 20 years earlier when they met in London. Spielberg
was there to configure sets for "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and they were
going to be using the same soundstages that Kubrick was then using for
"The Shining." When they were introduced Kubrick said, "I saw your last
movie - "1941" - it was great! It wasn't funny...but it was very good."
Once their friendship was established, Kubrick asked Spielberg that he
keep a fax machine somewhere away from his office where someone else
might intercept a fax meant for him. Spielberg ended up putting a fax
machine in his bedroom. That very first night he was awakened at 2
a.m.when Stanley sent a four page fax detailing some new advancement in
camera lens technology. The next night it was 2, 4 and 5 a.m. The next
night, Stanley was moved into the den. Once you were accepted into his
circle of friends you never knew when or where he might contact you to
share his enthusiam about some new discovery. After he had seen "Lost in
America" he contacted Spielberg and asked for a phone number for Albert
Brooks. The next day Brooks called Spielberg to gleefully recount how
the great Stanley Kubrick had called him at home. Two months later he
saw Spielberg again and said, "Why did you give my home number to
Stanley Kubrick?"
In a bitter sweet revelation, Spielberg revealed that he and Kubrick had
been collaborating off and on for the past three years on a project
which Kubrick was to produce with Spielberg directing. As for the
content of that project, unfortunately, it would appear that for the
time being he has no intention of letting the world in on that
particular secret.
The overall portrait of Kubrick that one had by the end of the service
was of a man of enormous intelligence and wide ranging interests, a
meticulous craftsman, a fiercely loyal friend and finally, a man who
valued his family above all else.
Others who spoke were Time's Richard Shickel, Warner Bros. chief Terry
Semel, Keir Dullea and DGA president Jack Shea. Shelley Winters was
scheduled to speak but could not attend due to illness. Also seen in
attendance were Jack Nicholson and Warren Beatty and directors Curtis
Hanson, Richard Benjamin and John Landis.
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Even though I await EYES WIDE SHUT with feverish anticipation, the fact that Kubrick never realized AI, his sci-fi follow up to 2001, still saddens me. And what of this planned collaboration with Spielberg (news of which should put to rest the idiotic assumptions often conveyed on these talkbacks that Kubrick found his friend an inferior filmmaker. That a man of Kubrick's talent viewed him as an equal, or at least a worthy collaborator, should tell you something.) Sure, we're left with a great legacy of films, but, unlike other artists of his stature, it's what he didn't get around to making that occupies my thoughts.
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But, I gotta ask what the Hell the deal is with Stanley Kubrick. Let's start with "2001: An excercise in extreme boredom". What is with this 'film'? I defy anyone to explain that last 20 minutes without reading the book, I also want to know who the fuck watches this thing over and over for, 'the experience'? This movie mind-numbingly dull, that 'visuals' are way overrated and the metaphors are obvious.
Then there's "The Shining". Compared to the book and the TV remake, this film is NOTHING! Without Nicholson this film would be widely regarded as the dumbest film ever! The story is fucked over for Kubrick's "Visual Asthetic", not to mention the fact that it's BORING!
Okay, so "Full Metal Jacket" rocked hard, but really, can we attribute that to Kubrick? Everyone gets lucky once.
He has other films, but I could care less, because I think they all suck too.
The only reason I'll be in line to see "Eyes Wide Shut" is the promise of a big budget porno.
Kubrick is one of those directors that you either love or you just flat out HATE with every cell, fiber and molecule of your body and mind. I guess I fall into that second group, because with the exception of "Full Metal Jacket", I HATE HIS WORK!
Another question. Why does everyone think I'm a freak because I hate Kubrick films? There are people, even though I don't understand it, that HATE "STAR WARS". I don't go calling them a freak when they say it. So don't go bashing me having this opinion.
I know these aren't very good reasons for hating these films, but I don't go to film school and I could care less what professors and critics tend to think.
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I am very much going to miss the great Stanley Kubrick. Right off, I have to admit I'm not a tremendous fan of his work. When it comes to creative style, I tend to be more attracted to the work of Stone, Scorsese, and Spielberg. But one would have to be a fool not to see the genius in Kubrick's films. Someone once told me, "The guy ONLY makes classics." And I found that this couldn't be more true. In my lifetime of watching movies, I have yet to come across a director who is so selctive and so fussy about choosing his subject-matter as Kubrick. And I believe he gave the greatest of his works to us in A CLOCKWORK ORANGE and 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY (in which he displayed the greatest use of 'slient-terror' in the history of film). Each of his pictures stood out because none of them were like the others. Which he seems to have done again with EYES WIDE SHUT. It's also a shame that he gave us so few movies in his legnthy career. But I suppose that aspect of him only enhances his genius.
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Dear ron jeremy jr. I am truly sorry that you do not get it. Worse for you.
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I have 11 reasons why: "The Killers Kiss," "The Killing," "Paths of Glory," "Spartacus," "Lolita," "Dr. Strangelove or How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love the Bomb," "2001: A Space Odyssey," "Barry Lyndon," "A Clockwork Orange," "The Shining," and "Full Metal Jacket." I'll probably have another reason by summer. His is an astonishing body of work. I see in his films a philisophical commentary on humanity. They have a cerebral charge, a rare commodity in cinema. He will be missed.
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Ya know? I can't get over this...Every damn time you mention Kubrick, there is somebody who just HAS to put him down. For all those Kubrick fans out there, remember, for every Kubrick haters theres a thousand that love and respect the man and who he was (a god of filmaking?) and will miss him even though hardly any of us have heard the man speak much less seen an interview with him, and never will. Those of us who have seen A Clockwork Orange a hundred times, FMJ 150 times, Dr. Strangelove dozens of times, and every other film he has helmed. And let's not forget 2001, a film that is WAY ahead of its time. I watch that movie and cannot believe it was made in 1968! A movie full of vision and brilliance. So what if it plods? Action is what you want? Then watch armaggedon. 2001 is a film experience, to be taken in and absorbed not as a cheap thrill, but as a film tour de force that challenges the viewer and makes us think about our own existence and the end of that existence. Kubrick will be remembered by those who know, those struggling filmakers, those fan boys and stoners, by film students and teachers and sci-fi intellectuals and thinkers. And by....Everybody else in between. Kubrick, we will not forget.
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I heard awhile back that Warner and MGM were teaming up to bring a Kubrick box set out. Stanley Kubrick worked on the transfer of the films, and had a hand in everything up to the print on the box. I was wondering if you guys knew what specials were on the disks? I'm sure the trailers, and lets prey to God a running commentary by Mr. Kubrick. I heard the DVD's were finished before his death, so maybe this is a possibility.
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This is directly from "Video Business" magazine, it goes out to video stores:
"THREE STUDIOS TEAM UP FOR KUBRICK COLLECTION.
In an unusual collaboration, Warner Home video has teamed with Columbia Tristar Home Video and MGM Home Entertainment to jointly release the Stanley Kubrick Collection, a nine-title compilation of the director's better-known word, on June 29. The collection, which will be available on VHS and DVD, arives two weeks before the release of Eyes Wide Shut, the late director's final film.
The six Warner titles are 2001: A Space Odyssey, Lolita, A Clockwork Orange, Barry Lyndon, The Shining and Full Metal Jacket. Columbia Tristar is releasing Dr. Strangelove, and MGM will deliver Paths of Glory and The Killing. The titles will be available individually of as a seven-title gift set excluding Paths of Glory and The Killing priced and $124.92 on VHS and $149.92 on DVD. The individual titles have been repackaged for the occasion and will be priced 19.98 for VHS and 24.98 for for DVD, except double-cassette Barry Lyndon at 24.98 in both formats. All nine titles will contain mini-reproduction cards of the original theatrical poster for each film. The six Warner titles will contain original theatrical trailer on both formats."
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Ron, who called you a freak for
not loving Kubrick's works ?
If anybody on this forum dares lay a hand saying Ron is a freak or a jerk not loving Kubrick's films, I will personally make sure you suffer. I mean good god, everybody is entitled to their own opinion. Jeremy...I am a big fan of Kubrick's movies, I cried the day he died, the only Kubrick film I think I dislike is Clockwork Orange (I agree with Pauline Kael, Kubrick was sucking up to the thugs in the audience), but everything else in Kubrick's oveure is great or very good,
to me...THE SHINING the movie has grown on me in recent years and 2001 is my pick for best movie ever and FULL METAL JACKET along with PATHS OF GLORY are the two best war films ever made. If you hate Kubrick's movies, fine with me. I've talked to a lot of film critics and professors like
Ty Burr, Anthony Lane and
John Harkness and they all pretty much disliked Kubrick's works and if you need further proof some people wish they could have killed Kubrick himself go over to popcorn.co/uk for a report by Sarah Buting which really disses Kubrick's films and even disses Full Metal Jacket.
Don't get your panties up in
a bunch. You're not alone in
disliking Kubrick's movies.
As for those people who don't
like STAR WARS, they probably
hate it the same way you hate
Kubrick's films. If you love
Star Wars feel free to,
if you hate Kubrick feel free to.
Me ? I LOVE KUBRICK AND STAR WARS!
I admit I'm a 100% crazed movie geek fanboy of the highest extreme. Heck, I love
Mars Attacks, considering it
Tim Burton's masterpiece!
Also, not to be sarcastic
or nasty but why are you posting this message on why you dislike Kubrick's movies in a TALKBACK made for talking about a eulogy of how great/good Kubrick's movies were/are ? You're lucky I'm the first to reply to your message. I'm not one of those people who believe if you don't like Kubrick, you suck. That's not me. I've led a rough life.
I failed college, am back
in high school again.
Enough people have said I suck
and I don't want anybody else
to feel the same way I did.
I mean by saying you dislike Kubrick movies in a TALKBACK
dedicated to remembering
Kubrick as a fine filmmaker,
you're practically asking to
get your butt kicked. I'm not
trying to tell you what to do,
just my 2 cents. Ya gotta remember Kubrick may have made
lousy films but he was
a HUMAN BEING not GOD or
THE DEVIL. This TALKBACK
is about the DGA eulogy for him
and reminescing about Kubrick.
I don't like CLOCKWORK as I've
told you and personally find it
to be one of the worst films
I ever sat through (I admire
McDowell's role as Alex and
the visual style but that's it)
but if you hadn't brought this
topic up of "don't take this
the wrong way" or "don't get me wrong" (which is just a cheap excuse to say THIS SUCKS or
THIS IS OVERRATED) I would
have posted on this forum how
glad I was to finally see
the trailer for EYES WIDE SHUT,
the movie I second most
want-to-see next to Episode 1
of Star Wars and how great Kubrick was as a filmmaker and how I eagerly want to finally get the new copy of Barry Lyndon coming out this summer on video
in letterboxed format (finally!)
or that I would finally buy a video copy of THE SHINING also
being re-released which includes
the famous MAKING THE SHINING
documentary showing one of
my favorite filmmakers at work.
Simply put, to quote an age
old-phrase "if you can't say
something nice, don't say
nothing at all." You're free
to your opinion and I greatly
respect you as a human being
and a I person. Don't let other people get you down. Remember,
it's your thing, do what you want to do. They can have their cake and eat it and you can have your's. By the way, why do you like FULL METAL JACKET above all of Kubrick's other movies ?
I agree FMJ is a great film
but I am curious.... :)
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well hey it's perfectly fine to dislike kubrick's films...but how can one possibly prefer that crap shining tv re-make to kubrick's original??? i mean that thing was obvious real awful tv-movie fodder.
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EYES WIDE SHUT is definitey one of the very few films I'm looking forward to this year (the others: MAN ON THE MOON, THE GREEN MILE, and SLEEPY HOLLOW). Believe it or not, EWS will be the first (and probably only) Kubrick film I'll see on the big screen (God, I wish I could have seen 2001 and BARRY LYNDON in the theater). I was only eleven when FULL METAL JACKET was released, although everyone at the time (as I remember) was talking about PLATOON as THE Vietnam War movie. I love Kubrick's films passionately. He's one of those rare directos (Robert Altman among them) who require you to bring your brain to class. Kubrick's films aren't popcorn movies. They're art. People complain that they "can't get into" a Kubrick film. Well, if you're doing a crossword puzzle, talking on the phone, doing something else while the movie is playing, of course you don't get into it. Kubrick's works will always hold up, because they are so unique and so different. Luckily his movies are soon coming to DVD (finally), on June 29th, I believe. The collection, overseen by Kubrick himself, contains KILLER'S KISS, THE KILLING, PATHS OF GLORY, LOLITA, 2001, A CLOCKWORK ORANGE, BARRY LYNDON, THE SHINING, and FULL METAL JACKET (I'm not sure about DR. STRANGELOVE, since it's not a UA/Warner Bros. title). The set goes for around $150.00. A real bargain. Hopefully in the near future some of these titles will see their way back to the big screen, so we can enjoy them in their original theatrical experience (how 'bout 2001 in 2001?)
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A very kind response to Ron Jeremy, Kubrick, are you aure I'm in an AICN Talk Back? I'm very sad for someone who doesn't get Kubrick films, I'm a big fan, but not everyone likes the same things, it makes the world go around. Eternal, Spielberg never compared himself to Kubrick, he just gave a eulogy at a tribute ceremony. Stop finding reasons to hate Spielberg, hate him for his movies if you think they suck, but don't create a situation that does not exist.
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I'm gonna have to go with 2001, mainly because to this day it has been the definitive movie experience of my life. I saw it on the big screen when I was sixteen years old (it was a reissued print for some kind of revival festival) and I was captivated. I really hope it gets rereleased in 2001, so all Kubrick fans can experience it the way it was meant to be seen. The Widescreen tape or the dvd doesn't even compare to it. Tom Hanks has stated that he's seen 2001 on the big screen over twenty times, and each time he gains more admiration. This is a love it or hate it movie, those who love it will cherish it until the end of time, and those who hate it will bash it to death. I love all of Kubricks other movies (with the exception of FMJ, after the brilliant bootcamp segments it lost steam) but 2001 is the reigning champ. Like I said before, if you have the oppotunity to see the film on the big screen, do so immediately! It's unforgettable man, I wish they would release it in an IMAX format. Eyes Wide Shut will be a religious experience...I CAN'T WAIT!!!
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www.eyeswideshut.com has been updated. It has the trailer we're all looking for. I think that's the trailer, at least. Everybody check it out!
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You can download I don't think it's the trailer but some more scenes or something. No, I'm not totally stupid it's just that I'm downloading that it right now and I'm not exactly sure what it is.It's mostly Tom Cruise taliing Anyway you must have quicktime to see it. Check it out. Talk to you guys later, Bye
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Okay, so I have no
actual proof, but the
more I think about it,
the more I'm convinced
that if anyone could
do it, it'd be Stanley
Kubrick. Here's my
theory: FULL METAL
JACKET comes out in
1987 to
less-than-universal
priase. It makes a
tiny profit, but
PLATOON really steals
the thunder from any
post-'86 Vietnam
films. The
long-heralded return
of Stanley Kubrick
comes and goes (for
those who think FMJ is
a full-blown classic,
you're wrong; it's a
minor classic at
best). So, for his
next film, he grabs
the biggest star on
the planet, Tom
Cruise, thinking that
he'll make a fortune.
But, lo and behold, he
discovers that he
won't have his film
ready until summer of
'99, back-to-back with
EPISODE I. Fearing
lackluster grosses and
audience response, he
decides to fake his
own death for three
major reasons: (1)
Focus major, renewed
attention on his new
movie. (2) This man
had/has a huge
ego--I'm sure he'd
love to see/hear/read
all the loving
tributes to him and
his work. (3) With
his "death" firmly
established, he
quietly films and
finishes up work to
A.I., swearing all the
principals to silence
(hey, ask yourself:
How much do you REALLY
know about EYES WIDE
SHUT?) and then
releasing it as "The
New Stanley Kubrick
Production," prompting
audiences around the
world to gasp a
collective "HUH?!!!"
For all you die-hard
Kubrickites out there
(you know who you are,
and I'm one of them),
think long and hard
about all you've read
about this man... he
could do it! (And one
more thing: That
Kubrick/Spielberg
collaboration? I
don't buy that for a
minute. That's like
Kevin Costner saying
that he was going to
make a movie with
Princess Di after her
car wreck. Kubrick
would NEVER produce
anything other than
his own work. Good
ol' Steven is full of
it.) I'm telling you:
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Another reason why I consider Stanley Kubrick to be one of my all-time favorite directors is because he was the first director to truly SCARE me. I first saw THE SHINING when I was about twelve or thirteen years old. Now up until this time, the only horror movies I'd been exposed to were the Universal thrillers (courtesy of Saturday afternoons and CREATURE FEATURES), and whatever was hot in the mid to late 1980s: GHOSTBUSTERS, GREMLINS, the FRIDAY THE 13TH series, etc. Anyway, I borrowed THE SHINING from the library, which was quite a novelty at the time, as libraries used to only check out books. Man, I couldn't sleep for days after I saw Kubrick's epic. The elevator gushing blood. Those creepy twin girls. The rotting corpse in the bathtub. The haunted ballroom/bar. The final rampage of Jack Torrance. Just THINKING of those moments now give me the chills. It's funny, since Kubrick wasn't a horror director. People who make horror for a living constantly churn out movie after movie, to little or no effect. Yet Kubrick, a horror rookie, took the very basic skeleton of the Stephen King novel, and put his own distinctive stamp on it.
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THIS TRAILER IS CRAZILY GOOD!! Talk about psychologically intense! Music and imagery combine magnificently. Lots of Steadicam shots -- definitely looks like a Kubrick film. I think it might be the best trailer I've ever seen.
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Seems kinda un-exciting to me. Looks like a Kubrick film. That's good. Nothing really special goes on tho...and I do not want to see Cruise and Kidman!!!!! I'll never be able to see past that.
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For me, Kubriks greatest film is Dr. Strangelove. This is what I call a perfect film. It's funny, disturbing, wonderfully acted and the production design doesn't distract from the story. That is the main problem with 2001, Clockwork Orange and especially Barry Lyndon. The production design just dominates these films to the point I'm looking at the scenery than paying attention to the story. With his other films, Paths of Glory is another classic. Hell, my western civ. professor actually mentioned this film when discusing World War I. The problem with Spartacus is that it is not historically acturate. My Roman History professor also mentioned this film. As we all know, the real Spartacus was killed in battle, not crucified (or he may have escaped) Also Spartacus puts in 20th century morality into 73 B.C. The Shining is wonderful. It's not scary, since there are no scary films, but it is a wonderful Black comedy. Nicholson is just to hilariously over the top to be taken seriously. As for Full Metal Jacket, I saw it with my Dad, who is a Vietnam veteran. He said it was pretty realistic for the marines. Since my Dad is an army man, he doesn't like the marines. The scene at the end where Dorian Harewood walks out into the open to be picked off by a sniper, my Dad grumbled "typical marine." A note on my Dad, he is not a film fanatic. He prefers documentaries since he believes fictional films can never be 100% realistic, which is what he expects. Of where Eyes Wide Shut stands in Kubrick's career we'll find out this summer. Remember, the best attitude to have towards a film is to expect it to be the worst ever made and if it is your not disappointed or if it is great, a pleasant surprise.
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May 17, 1999 2:01:51 PM CDT
I never "Bashed" Kubrick. I can respect the fact he's reknowned
by ron jeremy jr.
I really can. I just don't like his films.
Why I like "Full Metal Jacket" is the same reason I like "A Clockwork Orange" (Sorry, I left that out earlier.) It plays to the thugs in the audience and I happen to enjoy sadisticly oriented 'art' films with a cool visual flair. The reason I don't like "2001" is that it bores me. The reason I don't like "Dr. Strangelove" is that it bores me. "The Shining"? It bores me. "Lolita" A pedophile's fastasy come true in an era that would otherwise pretend the idea of a man who would fuck a child doesn't exist, oh and it bored me. (The remake however is a perfect example of irresponsible filmmaking at it's worst. Adrian Lyne I think has poked a few pre-teenies in his time, my evidence is the unessecary, languishing shots of the girl's body in various stages of whatever. I loathe the very idea of this film.)
I don't like the TV version of "The Shining" better than Kubrick's film, because I think they are equally bad. The only thing that elevates Kubrick's version over the bastardized TV version is Jack Nicholson. The man can elevate even crap like "Man Trouble" above it's station simply by being present.
I'm not bashing Kubrick. I just don't like his films. "A Clockwork Orange" and "Full Metal Jacket" aside, his films are boring to me. (The reason I like "Full Metal Jacket" is the helicopter scene where that door gunner is killing everyone in that field. I found to be one of the best jokes in any film of 87. I was also partial to the bathroom scene. Scenes are why I like movies. A film can overall be horrible, but I will like it based on one single scene. Like, take for example........a film that has no redeemin value as a film as whole, but when dissected into single scenes is quite extraordinary. I love "A CLockwork Orange" for the scene where Malcolm McDowell is beating Jesus as he carries the cross. You see what I'm getting at here?
Even films like "Armageddon" and "The Avengers" and "Godzilla" and "Batman and Robin" and "Speed 2" and "Patch Adams" and "Soldier" have redeeming values that are amazing when the film is diseccted and placed into single scenes. This is why I love DVD so much, one film is reduced to single scenes, catalogued for my viewing pleasure and simply put so I never have to see Animal Crackers marching across Liv Tyler's stomach ever again, or listen to Sean Connery's bullshit speeches during "The Avengers", just the storms, I love the storms. And "Patch Adams", what beautiful panning shots, but I'll never ever see Robin Williams playing a pathetic clown for badly acted sick people ever again. I can watch that beautiful space station explosion in "Armageddon" without ever having to see Ben Affleck express his undying love for Bruce Willis. (I'm not entirely straight either, but that scene made me queasy.)
But, "2001" has none of those moments for me. Neither does "The Shining", or "Lolita" or "Dr. Strangelove", or any of the others. I'm sure that "Eyes Wide Shut" will have an immense masturbatory collection of scenes, but I wonder if any of them will appeal to me when I'm not holding my dick in my hand? This question alone is worth seeing the film.
I also don't tend to heap praise on to people I didn't know or didn't care fo their work simply because they die.
This would make me a hypocrite and a liar and I prefer to be honest.
I simply don't like Kubrick's films. I have nothing against the man, because I never met him. By that same token I can't express any greif for the same reason.
I also don't mean to offend anyone, I was simply expressing an opinion, unpopular as it may be, I tried to be as unoffensive as possble and maintain honesty. I don't go to film school, I'm not in with any Industry Types and I don't claim to have anything other than an opinion. If you don't like it, that's fine by me. But, don't bash me for not having reverence for someone that had little impact on my life, just because he affected yours. That's like bashing me for not getting upset if your mother died. I didn't know her and therefore there's emotion attached to the idea of her death. A horrible analogy I know, but it makes my point.
I was just wanting to know what the big deal with "2001" and Kubrick actually was, if anyone could tell me. Maybe I'm not seeing something I should. Maybe, you could change my mind. After all isn't that what debate is for? -
Hi Harry,
I have links to the Eyes Wide Shut main page and a source for the Showest clip at www.movie-trailers.com. The clip from the official site is part interview with Tom cruise, part trailer...
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Do you know what the difference is between Ron Jeremy and Ron Jeremy Jr.?
Ron Jeremy has a big dick. Ron Jeremy Jr. IS a big dick!
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May 17, 1999 2:55:55 PM CDT
Does anyone know if this tribute was taped or will air on televi
by paragonian
By the way my favorite Kubrick films are The Killing, Dr. Strangelove, Barry Lyndon, The Shining and Full Metal Jacket. I hope heaven exists cause I know Kubrick would be making a documentary up there. He's definietly someone us young guys can look up to.
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Well, the obvious answer to Mr. Jeremy's question is this: whether or not you enjoy a film has no relationship to whether a film is good. It's that simple and it's pretty egocentric to think other than that. No other director has mastered the amount of perfection that Kubrick has, whether we're talking about the story, the production design, the lensing, the philosophical intent behind the piece, whatever, he always got it right. The only mistake he made that I know of is casting Ryan O'Neal in what otherwise is the most astonishing film I've ever seen.
I find 2001 almost impossible to get through. I get incredibly bored but it is one of the finest films ever made and whether I like it or not doesn't change that. He does a superb job of putting a very sophisticated story on screen and his style perfectly matches the substance,
as they do on every single one of his films. I know of no other filmmaker about whom that can be said.
Pauline Kael has no discipline when it comes to film. Her writing is all about ego. Sometimes she's entertaining and more often than not, she's bullshitting. I genuinely believe she was intimidated by Kubrick's genius. Peckinpah could do no wrong, Kubrick could do no right.
So Mr. Jeremy, you can take a pass on Kubrick. Just say you don't get him, nothing more. You look pretty silly when you say his films are lousey (by the way, no one argues with someone who says his films are boring) because they are all superb.
I don't care that much for Picasso but it would be pretty childish of me to pronounce him a second rate artist because he doesn't speak to me. Film is no different. -
So, you find most of Kubrick's oeuvre "boring." Hm. That's pretty subjective, and, thereby, impossible to argue with; so, I guess I'll just point out that most Kubrick fans are the absolute opposite of how you describe yourself. They love sustained works that build to crushing, or exhilarating, moments of realization. The money scattered to the wind in THE KILLING, Peter Sellers, as the wheelchair bound title character, rising to announce "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk," as the world is destroyed to the strains of "We'll Meet Again Someday" in DR. STRANGELOVE, the Star Child in 2001, the Marines singing the Mickey Mouse theme in FULL METAL JACKET, etc.; all of these are meaningless scenes (just like the ones you find so aesthetically pleasing on your DVD player) without the journey through Kubrick's labrynthine storytelling. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the beauty of a single, isolated image (hell, that's the only way I can justify the existance of WHAT DREAMS MAY COME;) it's just that I'm in love with the cumulative effect of great filmmaking. And, in my opinion, very few, if anyone, did it better than Stanley Kubrick.
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It's "existence," beaks! Can't we get a spell checker on this site?
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When I was in the eighth grade I used to sneak out of school and run to a second run theater in Dayton Ohio to watch 2001:A Space Odyssey. I must've seen the movie ten times that spring.
It was the first time in my life I saw something that I knew had meaningful substance beyond the events it described. I didn't know what it was saying, but the thought that something absrtact could be woven into an image and story was exhilirating for a mind informed by "Tom Swift" and "Gilligan's Island."
That film was my own monolith; an impassive catalyst giving me knowledge beyond my own imaginings.
I will always be grateful to Stanley Kubrick for that. -
Yeah, I'll see The Phantom Menace on Wednesday or Thursday, but I've already begun my countdown for Eyes Wide Shut.
No other filmmaker can get me
high on film like the late great
Kubrick. He personnaly said it was his best. Wow, get inside,
60 Days to EWS. -
Give him a break a guys, he's not really bashing Kubrick, he's just expressing his opinion on some films. Personally, I've only seen two movies of Kubrick - 2001 and A Clockwork Orange. I was also somewhat bored with 2001. This is embarrassing, but knowing nothing really about the film except the fact that it was a really good and influential, I thought that 2001 was an action sci-fi film. That's what it said on the back of the DVD on Rogers' Video. My brother left halfway through because he couldn't take it but since he's 15 , let's leave him out of it. I stuck through the whole movie. I was bored but I will still buy it later because of what it is.Without having to read the book, I think I fully understand what Kubrick was trying to do and he actually achieved it. (Please correct me if I am wrong) I know that probably the main purpose of the book and the movie was to show the evolution of man and to point the direction in which we were heading, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Kubrick wanted to show the dazzling, breathtaking view of the "final frontier" as it was never shown before on film or tv (i think - i don't think that Star Trek counts, if it came out before 2001). One of the many reasons behind this could be the Appollo missions that were taking place at the time and to further increase the growing interest of the public in space exploration. Another reason could be to finally show on film that couldn't be shown in previous times (one of the main reasons behind the release of Episode One on Wednesday). I don't know the actual reasons but neither do most of you. The point is that even though I think that 2001 is booooooorrrriing, i understand it for what it is and can respect that people call it one of the most influential films of all time. However, ACO is one hell of a movie. Fuck, I actually laughed out loud when the gang started beating that bum and then actually felt sorry for Malcolm McDowell when he was attacked by all the bums. I like this film for all the worng reasons but I again understood what Kubrick was trying to say about the state of violence in our society and our obsession with it.(The same reason behind Natural Born Killers, which I like for all the wrong reasons.) I haven't seen the rest of Kubrick's films but I will come June 29. I saw the new version of Lolita and liking that, I could only imagine what Kubrick would do with the same story. FMJ, the Shining, Barry Lyndon, Dr. Strangelove all seem pretty good but the Kubrick movie I want to see the most isn't even being released on DVD. That's Spartacus. I know the story and I saw some scenes on tv. I think I will LOVE this movie because it looks like Braveheart, which is my favourite movie of all time. Ok, I 'm done now, but my main point is that you can understand a movie while being bored by it at the same time. Most of you seem like mature people but are angered by Ron Jeremy's posts and are accusing him of not getting the movies just cause he's bored by them. Remember that everybody has different tastes. Please correct me if I misinterpreted 2001 or anything else. P.S. - I am 19 and just passed first year Business school so I hope you didn't expect professional journalism. Later.
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I read some of this guy's posts and to be honest, I don't see the resemblance. I don't use the word FUCK every other syllable, I don't type in all caps and unlike most of his posts I don't feel the need to be all right and make you all wrong.
So what is it with this guy? Do you guys need him THAT BAD??? Are you obsessed with this guy or what? This is like the sixth time I've read about somebody being mistaken for this guy and honestly I don't see the point. What is it about this guy that is so great or so bad you feel the need to use any means nessecary to ferret out any hint of intelligence in any post and blame him for it? Yes, I thought his posts, (when they weren't completely purile and derivitive of other people's cynicism to be slightly intelligent when they weren't buried in profanity.) were intelligent.
SO he had a 'style'??? Give me a break. His style can be attriubuted to about a decade of pop-culture influences and regular doses of popular 'serious' authors and comedians like Bill Hicks. There never was and never will be a certain 'defined' style in his posts that can't be imitated, expanded upon or outright copied by anyone with a good knowledge of how to relate their personal thoughts with a little flair.
I'm terribly sorry you feel the need to have Lane around, but I'm not Lane Myers.
I would simply like to post here and not have my statements discounted and cheapened by the neighborhood conspiracy geeks (HAL9000 and a few others.) who feel the need to have Lane Myers constantly infusing every talk back with an increasingly less intelligent round of name calling, bullshit personal confessions and idiotic observations on everything no matter how mundane.
Let me say this again and then I will drop it. I AM NOT LANE MYERS! I NEVER HAVE BEEN AND NEVER WILL BE! So can you please just give me a break? I'm not trying to pull anything over on anyone. So let me have my space and by the same token I'll let you have your's.
When was the last time Lane Myers said that? Try never. -
.....following that last post, I am now *convinced* that Ron Jeremy, Jr. is the enigma once known as Lane Meyers. I'm going completely on the visceral here, but it's just so obvious. Truth be told, I didn't even give a damn until Ron(Lane) went into such detail in his last post to not only point out differences, but offer a tidy analysis of Lane's psyche, and hazard a guess as to the guy's influences (must say I'm impressed to see Bill Hicks referenced.) Again, there's absolutely no hard evidence to back this up, just a gut feeling, but I wouldn't post this if I wasn't so certain, and the cover-up post not so pathetic. Nice try, pal, but the jig is up!
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I'll say to Hell with this now. This 'talk back' is nothing of the sort and with all the crap-accusations flying around, it's amazing it eve exists. So in the tradition of Lane Myers FUCK YOU! And I think there's plenty of other message boards on 'net where I won't have to put up with this shit.
So, adios. It's really too bad you guys had to be such assholes. -
I would first like to say I think this movie has a lot of potential and I will more than likely love it. But the trialer just flat out sucks. It has nothing interesting in it if you ask me. Show some skin damn it after all this is the interenet. If anyone has some better pictures of kidman naked feel free to email me the address :)
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One of Stanley Kubrick wishes was to make a film about Napolean. He actually did extensive amount of reaserch and was well into pre production when it fell apart. Too bad. Even though Eyes Wide Shut looks to be a great film I wish he would have given Napolean another attempt, it would have been his masterpiece and an incredible film to be remembered as his last. By the way is it just me or does Stanley Kubrick and Salmon Rushdie look like alike.
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The first time I saw 2001: A Space Odyssey was one of the most tense experiences of my life. The heavy breathing of the men in space suits. The quietness and loneliness of being on a ship thousands and thousands of miles away from anyone. And yet underneathe there was this inkling that something is terribly wrong. I get the same feelings from David Lynch films. HAL's calm voice and quiet spying become so menacing without a shift in music or in tone. You wish the film would climax, but like a patiently sadistic machine, the film stays slow and steady. Now, much of this is lost when I watch it nowadays. I know when things happen and when they don't and the film can be unbearable until the very last 20 minutes. For me the last part always works because I've always thought about next steps in human evolution, and intuitively I knew what was going on even if I couldn't explain it to you perfectly. The last 20 minutes are a great experiment in non-verbal communication. Since then I've read the book and quite frankly, words don't do it justice.
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so what offends you more ron, that people don't like your taste in movies or that people think you're lane mayers? and hey, Lane Myers got BANNED when did this happen. I guess this isn't Kubrick related, but then it's bigger news for this site than a bunch of has-beens gagging for some reflected glory. By the way flouncing out like that in a big huff is VERY lane Myers!
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Can somebody who was there please tell me how the hell Lane Myers was banned? I'd prefer it fine detail but just the events will do. I personally thought the guy was quite a character if nothing else (and probably not). He had a bit of every Talkbacker in him, strangely. Maybe no-one else will, but *I'll* miss him...
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Ron Jeremy Jr. An interpretation of 2001 from start to finish, and I
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Sweet Jesus, the movie exists! Not only does it exist, it looks good! Kubrick manages to capture about ten just loaded images into a thirty second spot! My god, he managed to bring out some intense emotions in all the actors. Excuse me, but at least for the next ten-twelve minutes, fuck Star Wars. Was that chick in her underwear LeeLee Sobieski?
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I don't know about DVD(I'm assuming so though) but Lolita is going to be released in June no VHS
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The 60 second commercial for EWS looks incredible. The shot of Cruise walking down the street and hitting his fist in anger looks like Malcolm McDowell in A Clockwork Orange. Many of the shots are very teasing like a trailer should be, not tell all.I mean whats with the men in the mask and cape? I can't wait. I hope it's the most erotic film of all time. I can see it now. Kubrick wins first Oscar for directing posthumously.
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For those of you (and there might be one or two), go to your CACHE directory, sort by size and look for the BIG *.MOV file.
Save it and cherish.
Once, I snear when I hear Tom Cruise was chosen to play Lestat in "Interview with a Vampire". Now we were shown, the Man Can Play. And Nicole is truly To Die For. Coupled with the Greatest Director of all Time...I can tell you this.
Nobody will be bitching about this being a kiddy movie!
ican'twaitican'twaitican'twaitican'twaitican'twaitican'twaitican'twait
GANGBUSTERS! -
Whether you like this guy or not, you have to admire how blatantly he cut against the grain. And kept putting out inventive, thoughtful and evocative product. DR. STRANGELOVE is one of the greatest films ever made. CLOCLWORK ORANGE is a masterpiece. The first third of FULL METAL JACKET is pure genius. Unfortunately for me I will never get 2001. It will always be one of the few movies you can watch out of order and miss nothing. To all of you who do understand this film: "M'sieur Neary. I envy you."
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Dammit, I can't seem to download the trailer from Eyes wide Shut!!
I've waited for this film for a long time and now that it's right there...It won't download!! I spent 20 min. downloading nothing but a Quicktime logo and that Chris Issac song, no vid. just audio. This sucks, any body else had this problem? -
upgrade your quicktime. anything under 3.0 will have that problem. -
1. After readings his posts,I think Ron Jeremy jr. is Lane Myers.
2. 2001 is the greatset film ever made. The falliblity of technology, the evolution of man(and his mind and spirit). This movie has so much to say, If you don't get it, watch it again.
3. I for one was really looking forward to AI, sorry it will never be made.
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