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‘I Thought We Were Going On A Rescue Mission!!’ The Last LOST Until April 24!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
“Start from the beginning!! And explain how you came to be on this boat!!”
“The same guy who sold all of us out so he could get off the island??”
“What wouldn’t a man do for his son??”
“I thought we were going on a rescue mission!!”
“I’m sorry!!”
ABC says of tonight’s Michael-centric installment, “Meet Kevin Johnson”:
Sayid confronts Ben's spy on the freighter, and Ben urges daughter Alex to flee Locke's camp in order to survive an impending attack. Guest starring are Cynthia Watros as Libby, M.C. Gainey as Mr. Friendly/Tom, Mira Furlan as Danielle Rousseau, Tania Raymonde as Alex, Blake Bashoff as Karl, Marsha Thomason as Naomi Dorrit, Ken Leung as Miles Straume, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Kevin Durand as Keamy, Anthony Azizi as Omar, Fisher Stevens as George Minkowski, Grant Bowler as Captain Gault, Jill Kuramoto as female anchor, Galyn Gorg as nurse, Starletta DuPois as mom, William P. Ogilivie as Gus, Francesco Simone as Arturo and James Locke as mechanic.
* We’re back to flashbacks this week.
* At least one of the flashbacks is said to be set in New York, where Michael will have a confrontation with Ben’s pal Friendly Tom.
* Another flashback, likely featuring the freighter, is said to be set in Port of Suva, Fiji.
* A 9-year-old-size Walt is expected to turn up, if fleetingly.
* In Othertown, someone will say, “No More Secrets!!”
* On the freighter, someone will say, “I’m here to die!!”
* And someone will die this week.
When "Lost" returns April 24 it will air at 10 p.m. Thursdays. But tonight it airs
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Finally. I'd been refreshing for hours. j/k
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A friend of a friend knows someone who works as a lights effect assistant for the show, according to him I will not molest people in the next 2 hours...but then beware....
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"Someone watch mah bay-bee while I snort this ray-yell"
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watch Lipstick Jungle.
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so he can post his usual one letter comment.
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talk-back's Sikk Skywalker?
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Brody or Ender Smites?
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I can't wait...
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this tb is already weird and gnarly.
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Ender, you always have a way with words.
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Replaced by that new lame high school sit-com that Kelso from "that '70s Show" is using Bruno's ex-wife's production company running expertise to produce. I saw the "preview" episode of Miss Manners or Miss Begotten or Miss Guided the other night and my Ghod it was arfull. Gee, and the ads were so promising, who would suspect a show touted with the tag line "the new series from the creator of punkt" would suck out loud in so many disturbing ways?You know how much better than Unhitched or Quarterlife "Miss Guided" is? [holds thumb and forefinger together, but not tightly] "This much better."
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NOT asking for spoilers, just speculations.I'm thinking it's Claire and Jin as the front runners.But my wacky comedic remark is that it will be the unused twenty of the original Flight 815 survivors who all get redshirted at once in a massive attack. Joanna drowned herself, Scott (or Steve) got Ethaned, the guy with glasses was never heard from again, Dr. Arzt blew up real good and the fans hated Nikki and Paulo so much they were buried alive to thunderous applause.It was always surmised that the rest of the original 48 passengers were just there to fill the background scenes and to serve as red shirts and cannon fodder and "victims of the monster" or as polar bear chow. If those couple dozen non-characters were only created to die, let's get on with it and kill them already.RIP Out of focus girl walking around in the background in a bikini, we never knew you.
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Did Frank go out to the store for some smokes?
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with her eyes open or closed this episode?
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Will Locke remember that Ben likes his eggs poached?
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I speculate that Ken Leung's character dies... he's had that grenade in his mouth a long as time... either than or someone else from the boat, i really don't want any main character's to die.... I really hope they explain what' michael's been up to, and where did the helecopter go? is the trip to the Island faster than the trip back to the boat?
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since the chick that plays libby is supposed to guest star, i figure that she'll be in michael's flashback, and i'm only guessing it's a flashback because it's supposed to be michael centrick, but it seems like a safe assumption... -
Copter Leaves. Seconds later it returns Frank wonders why people think he left.
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that we keep going until Lost returns in late April. And I managed to get my user name name-checked in the subject line of two of the first two dozen posts. My ego is so massaged now. Weird to see a Lost talk-back posted this early and to be jumping in this early. Strange to see the PREVIOUS Lost talk-balk in the top ten and the new one not. Let's hear some chatter. Someone post major spoilers we can all shun, refuse to read or bitch about. Someone start a troll fight. Let's get this show on the road.Good speculation, Rokur. I think that's how this episode ends: someone walks into the shed, finds Miles with a saliva soaked grenade still in his mouth and takes it out and... (BOOM!!!).... Lost...
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unfortunately i never had the oportunity to catch an episode. I hope they include them on DVD sets, or re-air and/or re-continue the pop up episodes... although I did hear somewhere that not all the information in the pop ups was canon....
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insomniac on right now?
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Geez, I'm so glad I don't have work tomorrow! Just make it through lunch hour, sneak in the NCAA tourney this afternoon, get to enjoy Lost tonight, sleep in tomorrow. I can do this! 15 more hours.....
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I recently quit my job as a camerman for of the local news affiliates. The work politics were ridiculous, and i don't think the people at the local station understand the meaning of journalistic integrity, and i fucking can't stand dishonesty, and being around people that purpously sabotage the quality of other peoples work, so i quit.... of course now i have no job which sux... but hey i have lots of free time to sit on the couch. I had never watched the tv show "Angel" before, and it airs in the middle of the night, and lucky me, just started over from the beginning of the 1st season....
I also have video games like guitar hero 3 to keep me occupied... unfortunately nobody in my family was ever into sports so I never got into sports.... i'll watch stuff like the world series, or the playoffs, and the superbowl, but thats about it.... on the LOST front, i am REALLLLY looking forward to tonights episode..... but after this week it looks like it's going to be a slow month or two for television....
At least on April 4th, we will finally be privledged enough to watch some new BSG....... it's about 3:40 am and I still have like 19 hours to wait till LOST...... -
MAH BOY!!!
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that we won't see walt even in the flash backs....
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Last day of work before Spring Break! I'm a teacher so that means I dont go back to work until April 1 and I get paid the whole time! Then I'm leaving to pick up a new game for PS3, play it for an hour or so. Then my fiance and i are going to a local bar/restaurant to get dinner, have a couple drinks. Then I'm returning home just in time for Lost. Plus I plan on getting laid afterwards. Perfect day!
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Awwwwwwww....maaaaaan. I Hate Hiatises (oooh cool log in name there)
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It's the hiatus between seasons that kills me... at least it's not as bad as the wait for the 4th season of galactica has been....
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Good lord, switch to decaf or something.As to who dies, my quarter is on Michael.
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Your rants are rather entertaining. I actually sort of look forward to them on Thursday mornings.
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...Locke is the Skipper. And Jack is the professor. Juliet is Ginger. And Kate is Mary Ann. Hurley and Sawyer are a combined Gilligan. ....Then who are the Howells??? Perhaps Ben could be Mr. Howell, since he has 3.2 million dollars! Does anyone else think that 3.2 was a code to Ben?
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was DEFINATELY code to Ben.... i mean it has to be, Ken Leung's character put TOOOOOO much effort into meeting with Ben, to ask for such an oddly specific number.....
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I see where you're coming from with Hurley as Gilligan, but he IS the Millionaire. Lottery winner. The Numbers. Remember? And Sayid is totally the Professor. Claire is the MaryAnn, that Beyotch Shannon was the Ginger.No, wait, maybe Boone and Shannon were the Howells - "the millionaire and his wife". Nikki, an actress, would be Ginger then and what could be more Gilliganesque than the way Dr. Arzt blewed hisself up? "Dude, you got Gilligan on you." Hmmm, if we're playing "Dead Gilligans", that would make "the Pilot" (or Matt Parkman as Heroes fans like to call him) The Skipper. But then Dr. Arzt would be the Professor and Libby would be the MaryAnn. Making Charlie Gilligan! Making The Dharma Initiative the Harlem Globetrotters.See, it all makes sense, it's the Lostverses way of killing off the Gilligan's Island comparisons by eliminating every Lost Island counterpart to a Gilligan character.[Checks Lost Talk-Back checklist: ridiculous theory that actually seems to make sense unless you think about it... check.]
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Is he asleep? He's the talkback equivalent of Doctor Remulac. Do any of you remember Doctor Remulac?
"I am Doctor Remulac!"
"I am Doctor Remulac!"
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UK tv acouple of years ago , Daniel Dae Kim said that he had signed 7 year contract. Maybe he got killed of cause he became of the Lost DUI gang. Maybe those contracts arent set in stone. But when an actor says on TV that he signed a 7 year deal. You cant make that up. TV and print are different. so its odd they killed him off.
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I don't recall seeing him/her/it on the TBs in the past weeks.
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Well, I'm not necessarily that big a fan of the 90s Phoenix Suns, but O.K.!
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Do NOT, I repeat...
DO NOT view the sneak peeks for this week if you want to remain unspoiled. Not huge reveals this time, but some great moments are shown that within the context of the show probably have more impact. Just a warning to those who have more self-control than I do. -
"The Constant" good. My prediction. No more beyond that. Quick VALIS update: I've read about 15 pages in as many days. I've been slow. But I have a highlighter, it's been used and I have plans to come back here and post the connections I've seen. On an unrelated note, King mentions the rabbit with a number on it's back in his "on writing" book, which I just finished last night. Great, fast read like all his books.
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he signed a 7 year contract from the beginning of the show? or after the show become popular? Neither one really makes sense to me.
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Go Spartans?
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I'm looking forward to this episode more than any other so far this year. (I was looking forward to The Constant, but had no idea it would be as amazing as it was.)
Things I am looking forward to tonight:
Finding out what Michael was doing when he was off the island.
Finding out how Michael managed to get on the boat with a brand new identity in such a short period of time.
Finding out how he is communicating with Ben, who seems to have a ton of information about the freighter people, but no real way of getting that info.
Possibly finding out more about the staged wreck at the bottom of the ocean.
Waaaaaaaaaalllllllttttt!
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For a brief sick moment, I thought that referred to the woman who jumped off the ship last week.
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truer words etc
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I live in Norcal, but I flew out to NYC to see Stella at the Bowery Ballroom last month, and was down in LA this past weekend to see The State too.
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Oh, so you managed to escape. For the record, I went to Illinois (who sucked this year) but now live here in the Mitten.
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i can't wait. but i will have a tear in my eye every thursday night until LOST is back. must avoid spoilers!!! back to read later after the show.......
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I have a feeling that no one important to the storyline dies. It'll either be Michael's ex-wife in a flashback or more likely one of the ship's crew members. Sort of like Zoe Bell last week, we'll get to see how that blood got on the wall in Desmond and Sayid's bunkroom.
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it worked!
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just contributing to the crap but fun speculations.
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the gay adult film version: Meat Kevin Johnson.
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It's NCAA tourney day, we have to establish who is cheering for which team. You're just angry that there are no Insiderscoop posts that you can repost here anymore.
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as troll wars and fierce invective? Jocks discussing sports in a Lost talkback. NOT AS GOOD, just almost.To paraphrase that one famous guy who said that thing, "can't we all just do the opposite of just get along" and have everyone who doesn't come here to discuss or joke about Lost the series in general or tonight's episode of Lost in specific just go somewhere else for once? It's a huge freaking internets, people, just find a tube and hunker. Not here.
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Talking about the NCAA's is not anywhere near as bad as your obsession with trying to get people to watch Lipstick Jungle and Eli Stone. Besides, I'm just wasting my time waiting for someone to post anything interesting and Lost-related. Spark up a discussion about the show and you'll see my interest in sports drop dramatically.
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derives pleasure from watching buff, athletically built young men engage in strenuous sweaty competitions that deal with handling their balls? Sports fans.See, bait and switch. You thought I was going to reference the MAIN group that likes that sort of thing, male homosexuals, but I switched it up. Bait and switch, like wading through a Lost talkback to read some children posting a play by play of whatever sportsball competition they happen to be watching at the time.Sorry, Node Zipcode, I haven't worn panties since the early '70s but when I did I always kept them neatly folded.
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DOCTOR WHO Series Four is about to air in the U.K., so he needs to get ready for thirteen straight weeks of typing the same damn joke about Daleks not being able to go up a flight of stairs.
Hey, at least it keeps him from reproducing...
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You don't have to be a jock to discuss sports. I bet half the people on this board googled NCAA to see if it was some sort of Dharma code.
Anyway, since Ben seems to be warning his daughter to leave the camp. Maybe Ben got word from his spy Kevin Johnson that the heli is on it's way to the camp to bust things up. Maybe they are trying to get grenade mouth back too. Just a thought. -
Every main actor signed a seven year contract, that way if they die they can still appear in dream sequences/flashbacks/as the smoke monster. Charlie had one, and he died 8 episodes ago :-p And how often have we seen Boone?
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Galactica is ready to come back in a couple weeks, along with Doctor Who. And Lost is back in a month.
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1. Back in time. It explains how he has established the new identity quickly and helps the show deal with Walt's aging.
2. He was always a spy for Ben's group. It's why he never went to see Walt when he was young, how the Others knew to go after the raft, and how he was able to have a new identity quickly...he already had it.
3. He never made it home. He was adrift on the boat until he ran into the freighter. Unfortunately this doesn't explain much and doesn't match up with some of the things rumored to happen in the episode.
4. Kevin Johnson isn't Michael, at least, not the same one that was on the plane. We've seen (or most of us have) the Orchid video and there is a duplicate Michael. (The Prestige, FTW?)
5. Magic Walt has learned more about his powers and was able to change reality rather than just crash birds into windows. By manipulating reality Walt made it where he and his father never got on the plane, and they have been trying to get back to save people ever since.
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"What wouldn't a man do for his son?" How about murder two people in cold blood? So help me, if LOST tries to forget the evil Michael perpetrated there and tries to rehabilitate his character for further inclusion in the show, I will be significantly pissed. I'll go all Annie Wilkes on their asses.
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I smell a first round loss.
Then I can celebrate with a death on Lost and a short MSU run in the Tourney.
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It's interesting to see Ben actually seem to care about someone. Alex is the only one he shows any concern about that isn't completely self-interest. I don't know if he has any new information, but he's been trying to get Alex hidden away since he found out the freighter people were coming. This makes me wonder if he really has more connection to her than just an adopted (adopted, kidnapped...it's a fine line.) daughter. Perhaps Danille isn't as honest as she seems or is more crazy than she seems...if that's possible.
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Absolutely. A golden age indeed.
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It's almost a given.. last time we saw Mikey boy he was on a boat with Walt. I'm hoping Mike's flashback starts right after the end of season 2, with his murderous ass sailing away.
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I think Libby was the only Oceanic survivor we didnt get a direct flashback on. We never knew what the hell was up with her in the Hurley asylum and didnt she give Desmond the yacht? So she will feature in Michaels flashback but how? If its just the shooting, then why isnt Luciana a guest appearance too? Maybe she haunts Michael!! That would be cool. Michael (or Kevin) is one character I dont know what the hell to think of. I dont know wether to sympathise with him or curse him. Would I do what he did for the sake of my son? Man, I really dont know. He killed 2 women and one of them hot! Damn. When he shot Luciana, my heart bloody leaped into my mouth. For me that was the most shock moment in all of Lost, probably on any show.
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My wish is that Michael gets capped by Sayid. Now that would be worth watching. Then Locke could have his way with Ben, since its clear he wants some Other-ass. Just look at the grief Locke displays when he tosses the plate of rejected food at the wall. That's hurt, a lover's hurt. Like when your wife can't stop boozin and whorin' on weekdays and all you want is some understanding.
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I don't want them to ignore what Michael did, but let me ask you something, if you had a child and could save him but only by killing two people, would you at least stop to think it over before saying no? Also, remember that he didn't go in there intending to kill multiple people, just to set Ben free. I'm not saying what he did was right, because it wasn't, but I'm saying that there are plenty of people who can see that he had few choices.
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I think a combo of your 1 and 2 theories would be awesome. The back in time theory works because Ben gave him exact coordinates to get off the island knowing he could use him in the past as a spy. This time travel thing is really tricky though. Yeah I'm sure they are going to flesh out the Ben and Alex storyline some more. She really is the only person he cares about well besides his boyish love for Juliet. Creepy dude there.
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Truce, jocks. You're right, I don't come here to start troll wars.I do mention other shows I watch about once a week here just as a way of kidding the truly devoted Lost fanatics who seem to believe that there's only one good hour of television per week - or the more typical AICN kids who seem to think that if it ain't sci-fi/fantasy, it's crap. {Todays "tape Eli/watch Lipstick season finale" comment was specifically a spoof of last weeks spate of "tape Lost, watch Reaper" posts. New Reaper tonight, by the way.)As for the challenge to post something about Lost to try to stimulate some discussion of the show, I refer you to "So Who Dies? (2.12.52) and "Dead Gilligans" (7.59.02) as evidence that I am making the effort.To Node and Fount and any other sports fans here, my apologies. F's right, my scroll wheel works just fine. I already scroll past the trolls hurling insults back and forth like monkeys flinnging so much dung, if people come here to discuss athletes I'll just add them to the list of names of posters whose contributions warrent ignoring. Feel free to discuss sports all you want, I just wanted to go on record as having expressed my disinterest - I'll drop it now if you want to get in a last word. Peace and Namaste.
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I posted awhile back about the ultimate Lost actor spotting. Check out a movie made in the late 90's called "Keeping The Faith". It stars Ben Stiller and Edward Norton as a rabi and a priest both fighting over the same girl. I caught part of it a few weeks back and there is a scene where they go to buy a karaoke (?) machine. This asian guy comes in singing a really bad version of Jesse's Girl by Rick Springfield. It is none other than Mister "I see dead people and eat grenades for breakfast" Miles himself. He is doing this horrible stereotypical asian accent. Then he stops and says "alright I'll sell it to you straight" and he is doing his normal voice. It was so damn funny to see him acting like that after seeing him on Lost. You have to check it out.
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Mar 20, 2008 10:10:46 AM CDT
i bet ben's coordinates led mike and walt into a wormhole
by theredtoad
while im the wormhole the two aged faster than normal time, and it was then that walt appeared to Locke, afterwards they get to land. ben sends Tom to recruit him. mike changes his name and gets a job on the freighter. meet kevin johnson.
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That's assuming that they show up. Izzo loves March but Neitzel is the "sometimes I show up and sometimes I pick my ass." Even if he goes off, Goran Suton has got to get his hands off his nuts and start playin ball. Those two guys have to be on today or I think Temple's gonna creep up on em. Specially with the big guards they have. I can cheer them on, but ultimately I'm a Maize and Blue alum. So, its a win win for me. You really think these guys have a run in them? Just gimme more Izzo tears, i eff'n loved it!
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Mar 20, 2008 10:16:07 AM CDT
theredtoad, I don't think there are giant worms on the island
by stereotypical evil archer
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let me elaborate. a time-stretchy-thingie? probably what faraday's device went through as well.
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Someone asked if I was a 300 fan. Is that a euphemism for something, like "Do you like gladiator movies"? No, I never read the comic or saw the movie, though I was glad to see it succeed at the box office and I do think the Sin City/300 style of movie making by using the comic book as a story board or template and trying to capture that look, feel and pacing is the way to go.My first thought was that NCAA was the organization that issues the Comics Code Approval stamp on newsstand distributed comic books.Luciana? You mean Ana Lucia? Or AnaL as her AICN Lost talk-back fans call her.Would Michael murder two women under orders in order to save his son? No doubt, but I think what actually happened was that he came specifically to assassinate Ana Lucia and Libby walked in, surprised him, he pointed the gun and popped her. I don't think that was deliberate or part of any master plan (other than the possible master plan to get the drunk party girls off the show.)I have an antisocial question. Hawaii produces the best quality domestic marijuana in the United States and it's expensive - heck, it was expensive in 1978 the last time I saw any - but these hit show actors must be able to afford it. So why are they drinking alcohol? Or is it that stoners just lay back and mellow out and the drinkers go driving around getting caught? Don't smoke pot, kids; it's expensive and illegal. Don't drink and drive either; it's potentially lethal, and not just because Michael will shoot you when you get home.
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So to get off the island you have to take a certain path out, or you can get side effects (a la Mink and Des). I think this has more to do with spacetime and how that relates to what happens on the island. Time moves slower on the island. This was clear by the missle thing Faraday had fired off. The time was off. Relativity states that if you move at high velocities, your time will slow down according to an observer in a different inertial reference frame. This also applies to large gravitational fields (time moves slower closer to the earth than further out because spacetime is more warped). So, the large electro magnetic forces have an effect on this island and that can be translated by a larger gravitational field. The high EM (the EMF Hatch that Des blew up) could be attributed to higher gravitational fields and therefore the gravity pulls the electromagnetic energy in. Like a black hole does to light. So, my theory is time is definately warping on the island (supported also by light behaving differently according to Faraday). This is all I got so far. I'm sorry, I just wasted someone's time...
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What ever his reason and story for working for Ben, he may realise or pursuade Sayid to take his place to protect "the others". We know Sayid will work for Ben, so this episode may be the turning point for him. Michael will die perhaps for redemption, or saving someone, or just plain gives up on his miserable life. Does he know where Walt is? Perhaps he think he is dead? But I am placing a bet on Michael.
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I slouch corrected, Napolean. Its being a long while and I was never good at remembering past girlfriend names, especially exotic ones.
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“The same guy who sold all of us out so he could get off the island??”
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it's those crazy extroverts and party animals with their drinking.. cannibus is more introverted and something you do at home. but who wants to stay home when you live in freakin HAWAII
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The frieghter is "OFF" The Island. Maybe he just sent him to the ship. Maybe Micheals flashback is a really good flashback to after he set sail with Walt. If Smiley is in the flashback then that would explain the recruiting of Micheal too.
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and this low and awful serie will be added to the "cancelled" shows category with where it belongs...and after that Evangeline Lily can pose on playboy.
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just curious.
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I what I read was correc and we get to see a little more into bearded Jack's future and his attempted suicide, then it must be Michael in the coffin. He is the only person they know, besides Ben, who has sucessfully left the island and made it back (or close enough). When Jack finds out that Michael is dead, he looses all hope of ever returning to the island and tries to kill himself. It seems to make sense. Unless Michael dies in tonights episode, then I'm calling Ben in the coffin.
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when I tune in at 9 and actually meet Kevin Johnson :P
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when I tune in at 9 and actually meet Kevin Johnson :P
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Good point, but there are lots of things I could "consider" before rejecting them out of hand. Saying "sorry" to AnaL and then ending her should make him the most hated character on the show (by the good-guy types on the show) for all time. If the writers start trying to ignore what happened before (very common on LOST) to bring him back into the fold with the hero characters, that won't sit well with me.
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fount I would want to see jack and co. become a lynch mob imo. Michael should be seen as a criminal to the island and if ever he returns they should want to deal with him accordingly.
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The problem with that theory is that Michael has been gone for only a month. That's not very long for him to go home, establish a new ID, work his way into the trust of people in charge of the freighter, get on the freighter and get shipped out. There has to be more than just "they aged fast."
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I'l have to say Dexter and BSG and Sarah Conner Chronicles have been the biggest hits for me lately. I did like lost at the beginning but it has turned out to be another Alias. Too bad.
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the time he dunked on hakeem? or the running floater in the lane? definetly gonna be a good ep...
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walt burnt the raft.
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Loved last week's and all of this season, while only being minorly underwhelmed with Juliet's episode. I'm avoiding this talkback though, as I see people are already posting about deaths.
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Just read this pretty good theory on the O6. Heres the link if you want to read it http://tinyurl.com/35ekqb Basically, we know people cant get close to the island and leave with out getting sick. (Fisher Stevens and Desmond, and the other guy). Desmond got sick because he was there when the hatch exploded. So who wasn't near the Hatch when it exploded..Hurley (O sixer, check), Jack (check), Kate (check), Sawyer (no check ?), Sayid (check), Jin and Sun (check). Does this factor into who is allowed to leave and who doesn't? Makes sense.
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For tonight's episode. Although five weeks without Lost will be agonizing, especially if tonight's episode is a big one with huge twists and/or shocks/reveals. One can hope, right? When it comes back though it will only be a few hours before my Birthday so it's like an early present. Last year the D.O.C. episode aired on my birthday. So this should be nice for me. And hey, Battlestar Galactica will be airing new episodes and on Friday's so there will be a new BSG on my actual Birthday. Double Dose! Awesome.
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I absolutely want them to be furious with Michael and demand answers from him. I even would expect some people to be violent before others are able to calm them down. I'm just saying that from a writing perspective, the character is not beyond redemption. He did what he felt he had to do (as did Locke, who murdered Naomi) but I'm hoping that the Michael we meet tonight is a man who is eaten alive by guilt over what he has done.
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Man, it's been a long time since season 1, hasn't it. I had forgotten that Walt was totally against leaving until Locke wanted to open the hatch and he had that weird premonition type thing and said that they had to leave.
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Wasn't Aaron right there next to the hatch though?
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Too many spoilers revealed last week so not taking any chances. Besides, I like surprises.
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I think about it, aaron was technically on that plane..hope this dosen't bring up an abortion debate...im finally comfortable saying the o-6 is kate jack sayid sun hurley and aaron
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who's to say that being off the island has the effect of him experiencing more time than the island? what was the time difference of faraday's rocket, 1 minute island time to 30 freighter time?
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ben giving mike/walt heading 325..faradays cheat sheet being 305,ben could have sent michael all the way back to the 90's for all we know, shit, he could have rolled off and blocked paxtons shot for christs sake.
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Yeah...what Ender said! How could I possibly add to that?
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No, the difference isn't 1 to 30. It's the same date both places. The difference occurs in the travel not the destination. Look at the helicopter trip; it took them a long time from the perspective of the island and from the perspective of the freighter, but from the perspective of the people on the helicopter it was around 20 minutes or so, which is why Sayid was confused. The clocks in the experiment were not synchronized because one was running in "normal" time (i.e. relative to the people), but the other clock advanced relative to the rocket.
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since he admitted as much to all of them, once Sayid realized Michael had been compromised. As for the person in the coffin, its Michael or Locke, I am convinced its one of the two. With an outside possibility it could be Locke.
Its my understanding, chronologically speaking, the flashforwards have been presented to us in reverse order. Meaning the first flashforward, ei jacks meltdown in the S3 finale, is the flashback furtherest into the future. And obviously it is aligned with the fact, the last flashforward we have been presented, Sun's, is the earliest flashforward. -
Yeah, not sure why he wasn't affected. Maybe he was but cant explain to anyone that he needs to find a constant, because hes a baby. I dont know, the rest sounds good.
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I've got a presentation in less than an hour, so I really need to stop posting here. But here are a few things to think about which came up in last week's episode.
Sun just had her baby which was conceived more than a month after being on the island. Their story claims that Jin died in the crash. Is she trying to convince everyone including her doctors that she was already pregnant and is giving birth very early?
There is a plane at the bottom of the ocean with a bunch of dead bodies. There have been press conferences and family notifications and all sorts of news coverage, so everyone knows about this. How can they possibly explain 6 living people?
Where did the black box come from? Is it the real black box or from the fake plane? If it's from the fake, who cares if anyone has it. If it's from the real plane, how did Widmore get it before finding the island?
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OK maybe just a little.
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that we don't actually know at what point in time after Sun is rescued that Ji Yeon is born do we? Until we DO know it's hard to say what her story is about the pregnancy.I wanna believe the note to Sayid, and in effect NOT believe the captain. What I'm more inclined to question is where one would get 324 bodies to place in a fake crash site. This coincides with a theory that Widmore set up the fake wreckage so as to not let anyone else go looking for the island.
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it would be Shannyn Sossamon.
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Made me think of all the character's seemingly random connections with each other off the island in the past coupled with the concept of a "constant" being important for survival after the island. Coincidence? Sure.
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We might have lost to App state. Which sucked. But you still haven't beat us in what? 7 years. GO GREEN! Losers to the losers of App State!
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Usually its the person who has the flashback. Not always the case though. Ana Lucia, Mr Eko, Shannon, Jin (and Nikki and Paulo!) all died on their flashback episodes. Jin may not be dead, so question mark there. Exceptions are Charlie, Libby, and Boon. Charlie and Boon die on Jack's flashback/forward. and Libby died with Ana on Ana's flashback. So if we are going to have a main character death, strong possibility, it will be Michael.
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Mar 20, 2008 12:53:48 PM CDT
Why is there any question about the sixth when they already show
by sleazyg.
The Sayid-centric episode clearly had Ben off the island and issuing orders to Sayid. That means Jack, Kate, Sun, Hurley, Sayid, Ben. Six. Done.
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You assclown. Don't get all self defeatist on me. That's no excuse. Have some pride you spineless teary eyed Izzo blower. More importantly, who's gonna sleep with Kate tonight... Jack or Sawyer? And who's gonna kill Claire?
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Ben was not an Oceanic survivor.
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'fraid I live on an Island so dont follow the games you are following. Anyone know the cricket score?
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Think there's anything significant (apart from its distance from the actual crash site) about having the decoy plane placed there? After all, the show must be on or about Dec. 26, when the Sunda Trench was the epicenter of the Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami. It just seems unlikely to me that the writers' choice of that spot is mere coincidence.
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FTW!
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DarkUFO recently confirmed from sources that Aaron is the 6th member.
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I think the trench is just well known and therefore a pop reference by the writers. Its meant to tease our Easter Egg-centric friends. Also, it could explain why they were looking for crashed freighters there, the tsunami would have been the cause for the wrecks and made the Sunda Trench ideal for rover dives. The crash was staged there to be relatively far from the actual location of the island by Ben, I believe. Its a ploy to throw off the Widmore. The Wid, if you will.
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Is it possible that whatever caused Ben's mothter death during child birth has something to do with what causes pregnant women to die on the island?
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he signed at the very start, when everyone else did.
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I'd love to know where Ben got all this money he supposedly has. He was the son of a janitor on this shitty island. Where the hell did he get the one point whatever million that Miles wants, let alone the money to fake a fucking plane crash!!!
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that mr Paik had him killed. Mr paik found out that he was know with some else and going to have a baby with someone else. Paik hired someone to kill Jin. We dont how yet.
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http://tiny.cc/WRZuR
Lucas talks about the new Star Wars series and drops this awesome gem: "It's as if we just went down the street and told a different story. You know, we were doing, I don't know, 24, and now we're going to move down the street here and do The Wire. Same thing, it's just different people doing the same thing in the same city."
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Mar 20, 2008 1:47:03 PM CDT
libby was petending to love hurley, i think i remember that
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He shouldn't even be allowed to mention the Wire. I think Omar robbed him of his talent long ago.
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I mean it's a little late to have someone step out of the chorus and say "I've been watching you for four seasons, and you're all assholes"."
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You can't be serious. And if you are, you should really go back and watch last week's episode again.
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The work day is done, no more work for 10 days. Less than six hours until LOST, hopefuly I'm not too drunk by then.
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I'm impressed you could manage to make enough sense out of that to disagree. I couldn't figure out what he was trying to say.
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I hate you and all teachers for having a Spring Break. (Any other time, I wouldn't be jealous of anyone working in education.)
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I was thinking today about the details in the files of the 815ers. There is information in some of those files that could not be known by anyone other than the subject of the file or someone that witnessed things first hand. The shrink a couple of weeks ago seemed to be able to disappear at will. This made me think that maybe the Other's consciousness's traveled back in time and followed the 815er's around. Even better, the 815er's wrote their own files at sometime in the future (for reasons currently unknown). What do you all think?
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they go back in time and form the Indigo Girls
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It consists of some plausible answers to questions posed by many of us, and is basically a Theory of Everything, and not specific to any single character or event. Definately an interesting read, even if I disagree with some of it.
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Uh yeah. The guy who has little sense on how to pace something?
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The 3.2 million that Miles mentioned. I am thinking that this is going to be related to the heading off the island. What were the others, 325 and 305? What if 3.2 is a very specific heading?
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http://tinyurl.com/25cf85
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And I can see this talk-back reaching #2 with or without flame-wars and sports babble. But I don't think we're going to catch the "Terminator 4" talkback. if you haven't checked it out, there's some funny stuff going on over there.On the other hand, that one will burn out eventually and this one will keep going until April 24th, so we'll get them eventually.
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http://tinyurl.com/2lrq3w
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and thought-provoking discussion of a topic... rather than rattle of nonsensical surnames like TERMINATOR 4 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO or 400 other just as dumb titles
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Ben has that many.
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Yeah I would hope that Miles number was some kind of a code or something. It seemed so out of place. The background people can be annoying when you notice them. They seemed to be around more in the beginning of this season. I still have that same problem with the walking through the jungle bit too. Everyone seems to just run into eachother like they are all on the same path. Then when Sun goes to get ready for a trek they say it takes two days to get to Locke's camp. Oh well this is all small stuff but it can take you out of the story. Where's that cute chick that crashed from the tail section? The one taking care of the kids. Bring her back. Napoleon, seems like you have your own sport going on. The race of the talkback posts. Here's a point for your total.
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Is finding out what The Others have been up to this whole time. Is it time to finally see the Temple? Are we going to get to hang out with Richard again? Will Michael be elected mayor of Cave Town? God damn, it can not be soon enough for this shit.
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Is it better than Fantasy Island?
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I'm ready for my LOST drinking game tonight. Anytime Mike says something like "He's my son, he's my boy, its a fathers right, WALT!, etc etc" I'm downing a shot of pirate bay rum
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Valis...heh I almost sharted when I saw Locke pick up that book.
Look it up on wikipedia, or just read some P.K. Dick. However, I feel that reading P.K.D> can be challenging, it's like trying to have a coherent conversation with a total schizophrenic. So I recommend picking random spots to read.
What the VALIS/LOST connection might be...I hesitate to wonder to much. Brain might melt.
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Back to your comment about the interconnectivity of the characters and the need for a constant...My mind was heading in the same direction. If they knew they needed a constant and were somehow able to discover that they knew or had met a lot of the same people before the crash, could they use that knowledge to ensure safe passage from the island? In any case, I do think both these elements are related to how and why they were the ones to survive the crash.
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FOR WAAAALT!!
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now i can talk to uncle larry and get lifted. gawd i love this show.
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They said they were out of Chickens? Maybe Pizza?
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in relation to Star Wars is laughable. This coming from a person who himself has said, he has no use for actors. And he obviously can't write worth shit. Anyway Star Wars is nothing like the Wire nor should it be, the Wire is a completely different animal.
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Have to say some crazy stuff in it, and some of it might make more sense if you are high whilst reading it.
But its a very interesting examination of human perceptions and religions. Think the past life aspects, time travel of information could all be very relevant to LOST. Also think I could connect a lot of other things to LOST, but I might be seeing too much into it.
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Signing a 7 year contract doesn't mean he has to be on the show for 7 years, it means that the show has the option of using him for up to 7 years. If he is killed off the contract gets terminated, and any additional episodes they are in are renegotiated as seperate deals.
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Watched an episode of Torchwood recently and he appears, shockingly as a rich powerful man. Very unlike the Alan Dale characters of LOST or Ugly Betty or The OC.
The pinacle of his career was definetely as Jim Robinson.
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Michael dies tonight. I just feel it.
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I am with Doc Jensen in saying... KARL!!!
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I followed lost from the beginning until the middle of season 2, after Eko saw the smoke monster. Started watching again somewhere late in the first half of season 3 (I heard about the explosion of the hatch device and gave it a second chance), and for the most part could follow it . . . but for two or three things...and shit, sorry, how does one do paragraph breaks? The Others were around at the same time as the Dharma group, who called them "natives"(?), indicating that they pre-dated Dharma . . . has the series yet explained who, as a whole, the Others are? At all?................
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Yeah, what have the others been up to? And Jacob. I have a feeling there wont be anything about Jacob until next season.
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The guy that plays Faraday (love the wealth of physics references lately), Jeremy Davies(?), I have a theory as to the direction he has taken since Private Ryan. His character Uppam(?) was to some extent vilified (unfairly in my opinion . . . I mean Uppam is Spielberg). He took that and now his characters are awkward and frightened not so much because they are . . . well, geeky, but because they are untrustworthy or hiding something. Been wanting to post that one a while now, hope it hasnt been discussed already. -
Just what this talkback needs - an MSU vs. umAA rivalry! Bobo, you sound just like the arrogant self-important type you umAA fans are known to be! Keep kidding yourself that the Biggest Underdog Victory in the History College Football didn't mean much to you or your school. At least State doesn't lose to D-II schools!
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Show just went downhill without him. Well - he's only partly to blame - the writing got pretty silly too.
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is the only reason to watch eli stone. damn she's hot.
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to watch Eli Stone. Especially when you can get SPECIES on DVD for ten bucks.
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Since the season began. Stoked!
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May the schwartz be with you...always.
My Badger smells Wolverat in the house?? Hey sorry about what we did to you in football this year...there is always basketb....ah yeah, we crushed you 3 times there too. Hey - cross country! I think you got a shot.
Node, BigE...congrats. Locke is serving cooked Owl tonight.
Doook is gettign beat. Excellent.
10 minutes until I am complete.
Terry...give me about an hour and half to get this Ep on Pirate Bay. You shall have it as quick as I can create the torrent.
LOST is going to change the game tonight. What we thought we knew will be thrown into question. 3.2 million? 32 hours until the commandos land from the other boat to take this island by force. My theory as to why Ben wants Alex OUT of there now.
Kevin looks older (as some very good ideas have pointed out)because he arrived in NY at a time previous to the time he ever took custody of WAAAAAAALT. He is now in a different timeline. THose on the island are in a "time bubble" and are immune to the effects of changes to space time on the outside. Michael knew what he had and now what he is LOST. And he is on a mission to die. But he won't.
Enjoy an hour as close to perfection as we may ever see.
Namaste. -
1x 2x
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Whaaaat? Also, at least we have the "two Michaels theory knocked out already".
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A spoiler tag would have been great, you rotten fucker.
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FB Mike!
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The only major character that we haven't gotten a flashback from is the French woman (and Rose and Bernard I guess). I demand a French Woman flashback!!!
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That was 100% speculation. A fairly silly theory. If it turns into truth I'd be suprised
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Isn't it interesting now, this many years later, that the kind of "stuff" that will most likely be the "stuff" that travels back and forth through time will be information. Not only that, it will be light that will propel it when it finally does? Trippy indeed.
See the work of Ronald Mallett:
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the spoiler floatin out there that Michael was going to try to kill himself by wrecking the car - was SPOT FUCKIN ON! Awesome.
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We got a Rose and Bernard flashback in season two. But I agree with Rosseau being in desperate need of a flashback.
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Great scott!
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Why else would Michael try to kill himself?
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Boy - someone was all over this scene.
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DRIIIIINK!
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OMG!
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ANd Mike has a gun. Tom has some balls.
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I'm starting to get the picture that the Losties cant die even when they try to. The Others are starting to appear like the good guys that time travel to make sure things go as planned
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So Michael's just suicidal because of his past misdeeds. Dammit, he was so close to pulling the trigger. Hehe.
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Maybe the flight was never supposed to crash but Hurley's bad luck works the opposite as the Others. Oh wait! What if Hurley ends up being the bad guy incognito....dun dun dun
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HOLY FUCK!!!!
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holy crap this is aweful
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when he told Kate - You're not my type.
YeeHa Ride em cowboy -
And MKJ is delivering!
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Now we know.
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Start looking
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This is fucking riveting. I love that they're almost totally focusing on Michael in this ep...I always loved him as a character. And it's funny to see Mr. Friendly's "you're not my type" comment to Kate really did mean he was gay! lol
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...after he kills everyone on the boat does he have top mop it up?
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haha. that may have been the most hilarious moment ever in the history of television.
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This show has gone from the cock-tease in high school that never showed you her tits to the town whore. It's for all those assholes who say they never give answers...what are you losers gonna whine about now? This season has been brilliant.
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Go fuck yourself.
THE ISLAND WONT LET YOU!!
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I agree wholeheartedly with the brilliance of Season 4.
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can't believe it's the last one for a while :(
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I know I'm kinda tired but did I see a flash on the screen that said The Mole? Good episode so far. Glad to see Michael is living with the guilt of his betrayals. And for the bitching about the lack of answers from haters, in 30 minutes we have gotten a lot so far. Now I'm waiting for the bomb drops to happen.
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Seems like a cool guy. Pity.
Naomi - The sexiness transends death.
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Damn audio went out with our local station! We have picture but no sound!!!! Argh!!!! CURSE MY LOCAL STATION!!!
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what is he up to?
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Those are some bad motherfuckers. Ben wasn't lying!
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to believe Widmore is out there, after planting the fake 815, trying to find the real crash to eliminatethe evidence.
His plane needs to be the only plane they find, so they are going to wipe out all traces of out Losties. And they have soldiers on board!
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flashback, they haven't gone back to "real time" since Sayid yelled at him
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On the Label Label Label
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The O Team.
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? Booooiiing?????
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Wind causing problems here in NYC. TV 55 was showing Austin Powers with the wrong sound. And the HD feed of ABC keeps freezing. I got to watch now on regular definition. Question to all. Is Michael explaining his flashback to Sayid now or is he staring into space while Sayid waits for an explanation?
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the fuckin' Riddler?
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HOLY SHIT!!!
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that sheet of paper wasn't unrolled all the way. There's more to the message than "not yet"
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just like I would. lol
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I imagine he is giving him the skeleton of the story, but not the details.
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And the island.
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We havent seen Abbadon in quite a while. Where is that dude?
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The Others are so crazy they make bombs like the Chinese make fortune cookies
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The part about the time shift (Michael arrived in the past, before the 815 crash even happened) is VERY wrong. Michael's mom references the crash, so he must have gotten back shortly after he sailed off in Ben's boat. Hmmmm.
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WAAAAAAAALLLLLTTTTT!!!!
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DRINK!!!!
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it's Ben :p
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Drink anyway.
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I hope so. That way we won't have to sit through an explanation of what we just saw. Another question. So if the island doesnt let you commit suicide, could Regina jumping overboard mean she was just testing the theory? One more thing, now I know I'm same because the mole title card flashed again. Did not know ABC was bringing it back.
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Ben said it...still counts.
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Jeez, this guy isn't good with kids is he?
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Weird.
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Stupid auto correct feature on my phone.
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consider yourself one of the family. WTF is Sayid doing?
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is a fucking idiot!
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See you in a few weeks!
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poor Karl
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AHHHH!
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Not her.
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But Sayid is stupid.
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But holy crap, Danielle is dead!
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He's like Terminator Sayid.
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is fucked.
Where is our DEATH???
As Carl said, "I've got a bad feeling about this"
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THe death.
pop pop pop.
Those are some cold blooded fucks
Man Dawn !
Woman Down
Alex! Duck!
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Good one.
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Sayid works for Ben....to redeem himself for getting Michael killed
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After thousands of words spent on the issue, the logical conclusion is verified. Sometimes there is such a thing as overanalyzing lost.
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I'm mad now.
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Guess we won't get a flashback.
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Can't be.
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Daniele is dead...yet. Shot and needs help, but not dead. Poor Karl.
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Lame Boyfriend... Yes!
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The last few eps look action packed. Guess no Danielle flashback
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BWAHH!!! HIATUS NOO!!!!
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Mr. Poopy-Pants.
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The two best network sci-fi shows today can now peacefully co-exist.
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That bitch!
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TV promoters say it's Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, and ... little retarded toddler Aaron! I kid - but he sure looks goofy waking up!
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I loved those deaths!! Snipers in the bushes!
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What the fuck is Sayid doing?? Goddamn, he's always been right before, but he definitely fucked up this time.
As for Danielle, we aren't positive that she is dead. I sincerely hope that she isn't. Karl is one dead teenager though.
Does anyone else think that maybe it wasn't the people from the boat who started shooting, but THE OTHERS??? They would have plenty of reason to kill both Danielle and Karl... and to obviously keep Alex alive.
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We KNOW Michael's whole story, post island through Return. Sayid, you hippocritical ASSHOLE! I don't CARE that you technically aren't working for Ben yet, you will, and you sold out Michael for NOTHING!!!
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Let's assume we -KNOW- It's a fake now. Who are we to believe landed it? Widmore or Ben? leaning towards Widmore.
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Both are bad guys?
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I'll be pissed if she is dead. Great episode. We are really heading toward an action packed finale huh? I can't wait till the end of April now.
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We need to see how Montand lost his arm. There is no way they'd mention Montand losing his arm and then not give us information on how that happened. I for one, will be incredibly pissed if we do not get a Danielle flashback. I suppose they could do an Alex flashback from the perspective of a fetus. Hey, nobody said Lost was conventional.
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even Ben and Tom said "what wouldnt a father do" DRINKK
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I'm pretty sure the shooters were the others. Ben knew what he was doing, and they did that weird grass moving without anything there trick. But where's the smoke monster been this season? Hibernation?
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I think a key thing at the end (well including Karl getting popped) is Alex saying she is Ben's daughter. I'm the shooter(s) will find that useful info. Perhaps use her as a hostage against Ben. People from the freighter?
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THe helicopter was gone from the freigher by the way
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We haven't seen it in awhile.
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that killed Karl and Danielle. They were supposed to be near the temple right? Ben had it in for both of them. You know how possessive he is.
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and they probably shot Danielle.
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"I have a bad feeling about this..."
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shooting at them. Ben set them up! Or did he not expect the Others to shoot? This episode debunked a whole season's worth of theories about the 815 wreckage and whatnot. What I wanna know is how Michael got from the boat in the ocean with Walt to NYC. Why did he tell Walt about the two kills? Is it a son's right?
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The look he gave his daughters boyfriend when he was touching her was a sign. It was a set up. Ben is evil.
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Mar 20, 2008 9:17:17 PM CDT
Danielle's face wasn't one of the ones flashed in preview last w
by brokenheath
...when it said "someone will die". Nor was it her daughter's boyfriend. That's just misleading. :p And what's the point in sabotaging this boat when Widmore can just send another?
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Sayid in the communications room with a gun.
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who saw that one coming? really?
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Clearly, I know nothing of what's actually going to happen on this show...and I think I like it that way.
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I'll bet that thing and/or Jacob will save the losties at some point.
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i saw it too.
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In the lost logo now, what's up with the city skyline reflecting in the water on the island lost logo?
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It's my right as a viewer to not have to put up with commercials every 5 minutes. I timed it, a couple of times they cut to commercials every 5 minutes. Lost why must you be so good? Why can't I stand to TiVo you and watch you an hour later and not have to see them? At least Futurama and South Park were good episodes when I flipped to them during breaks.
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Why would he send a fake bomb to temp Michael to use it... and then it wouldn't work? Maybe its true that he doesn't want to kill innocent people. Or maybe he has other motives for not wanting to blow up the boat... ahh this show is such a mind fuck. I hope Frenchie isn't dead, she better get the first flash-back ep of next season. THE ISLAND DOESN'T WANT DANIELLE TO DIE!!! Also, I thought I heard several smoke-monster roars in that preview. Smokie need to roll up on those frieghter baddies and fist-fuck them when they get on that island.
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The people who saw it coming are the ones listening when he told Kate not to worry about him looking at her in the shower, she's not his type. (Yeah, that was a long, long time ago.)
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looks like Bill Nunn in a dress.
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Why would it be the boat people, exactly? How would the boat people just happen to be in the area that Ben sent them to? Sometimes Lost viewers remind me of something I read about crossword puzzle solvers. There are those who pay attention to the clue and put the answer in the proper tense. Then there are those who come up with a reasonable answer, but they think in the wrong tense, therefore making the puzzle harder for themselves. Example #1: Aaron being one of the Oceanic Six. Example #2: Jin being dead. If Jin turns out to not die, well, I'll admit I'm fucking retarded, but it seems like some of you guys make things harder for yourselves.
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Mar 20, 2008 9:24:04 PM CDT
You're joking right? They made it clear Tom was gay ages ago
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
It was obvious since the season 3 premiere and the writers said it themselves a lifetime ago. Were people just joking about him diddling Walt and playing football with Jack because they were actually just homophobes or what?
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Naomi parachuted onto the island jumping out of a chopper. Which we saw splash into the ocean. Then the Freighties land on the island later in a chopper flown by their pilot dude. That's two choppers. Yet when Michael's on the freighter they only ever show the pilot's chopper, never Naomi's. How the hell did Naomi get to the island, and what splashed, if not a chopper?
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Will be a shame - I loved Mira back in B5 and love her in Lost too. Although given the new shorter seasons, they said there will be less "filler" episodes so that means characters like Danielle will not get their turn in the spotlight like they might have in seasons past...
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From the preview - I thought I heard the Smokie roars as well. I'm ticked they'd knock off Danielle! No flashback for her???? Please, can we have one?
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I had forgotten! So is Tom also someone that the Island doesn't want dead? I mean.. Sawyer DID shoot him dead in S3 right?
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So maybe Naomi jumped out of the pilot's chopper, which did make it back to the ship, and the splash was just a REALLY big piece of freight falling out of it? Nah, that'd just be dumb.
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I think that Tom's dead, he was just still alive during Michael's flashbacks. Little did he know that that gay tryst would be his last.
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How could the boat people be in the area where Rousseau & co are? Why not? It's not like it's an island the size of California. And who do you think it is then?
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Kate has to have had some plastic surgery. Unless the island has some magic lip growing powers.
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JIN IS NOT DEAD!
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Where's Mr. Echo? He should torment Locke.
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If Buffy and X-files had a baby...
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Because I know of businesses and homes that have their trees up at the end of November. I'm guessing the suicide attempt happened around Dec. 1st or so, he's in Fiji a week later, and they set sail for craphole Island.
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Well, I would guess that it was the Others, considering that's the area of the island where they were supposed to be. And that the two who got shot weren't Alex. And right before Carl got shot he made a comment about Ben possibly setting them up. And that the guys on the boat would probably bring their assault rifles instead of hunting rifles. And after Danielle had been shot there was that strange whisper noise that accompanies the Others occasionally. And Ben always has a plan.
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No way is the crazy French Woman going out without taking someone with her. I didn't see a wound. Also, the boat captain is totally going to tell Sayid, "You think I don't know who he is?"
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Rotting in the ground.
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If you think that Jin is dead, please explain why.
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Naomi's chopper takes off... and crashes in the water. all of a sudden.. Lapidus has a chopper that brings him and the other 3 newbies to the island. Only one helipad on the ship though...
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One with Ben's team, and one for Widemore?
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I did that for, like, three hours after last weeks episode. I really don't feel like going over it again. Sure, if he's alive I'll admit I was wrong. I'm not a writer on the show so everything that every one of does is guess. I think that was something else I talked about last week. But if you just say "we already decided that Jin lives," than you ignore the fact that the writers have been pretty consistent in not playing around with our emotions surrounding the death of a character.
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Of tonight's episode and are able to use BitTorrent, here it is. I created the video and the Torrent, so I promise you it is 100% clean and solid quality (.avi) file.
http://tinyurl.com/2fsugk
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Mar 20, 2008 9:51:37 PM CDT
She had an exit wound out the front
by guy who got a headache and accidentally
Looked like they got a lung or awfully close to the heart.
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They play around with our emotions, but they don't tend to kill someone or say they are dead without it being true.
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You managed to watch Lost AND get it torrented, all with the Wisconsin game on? I'm impressed.
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are officially the best episodes of Season 4 by far! (SPOILERS) I can't believe the ABC promo folks actually fooled us with that 'someONE will die' bit. Of course, it could still go either way with you-know-who. After all, we didn't see where the bullet went.
Did anybody else notice the confirmation of the Oceanic Six in the April 24 promo? Apparently, Aaron is one of them. Glad that's been settled. Can't wait to hear my fellow east-coasters' opinions of tonight's ep. For now, here's mine:
(MAJOR SPOILERS)
1. Glad to see Libby's back. Thought it was a bit odd that Michael's guilty conscious was only visited by apparitions of her and not AnaL. Then I remembered it was Ana Lucia we were talking about.
2. Tom's a player. Who knew? Come on, guys. That foreign dude's gotta be a 7 by gay standards. Someone back me up here (pun intended). Speaking of which, I have to admit I was a little pissed by Naomi's cameo tonight. I'm still holding on to the hope that Regina will be revealed as her lover in future flashback eps. It would explain where that nifty bracelet came from and the suicide. Plus it'd give me more Zoe Bell.
3. Tsk, tsk. Sayid, you sneaky little bastard. Just one question: What the hell!? Did you pull a Desmond for the majority of the flashback or what? In case you didn't hear, he's trying to PROTECT you guys! The way I see it, Ben's the closest thing you've got to an ally right now. Could this be the catalyst that leads these two to joining forces in the future?
4. That 'bullet bouncing off the skull' line was definitely the creepiest thing I've heard in a while. If what I've read is true, that was the answer to the Jack/suicide question. You're not dying until the island says so. But does it only apply to everyone who LEAVES the island or specific individuals? I do recall Tom being shot by Sawyer.
5. Since Walt's growth wasn't addressed this episode I'm very interested in seeing where this all leads. Nana Dawson acted pretty unaware when talking to Michael outside.
6. Did anyone catch the "Slaughterhouse-Five" reference on Mike's telly? It definitely coincides with Desmond and Minkowski but I don't know if it has any significance in his case.
7. Is she or isn't she? Darlton have stated that Rousseau's flashback would come later in the series since it would potentially reveal many of the island's mysteries. But did they have to kill just when we were getting the old Danielle back. The mother-daughter exchange was pretty heart-breaking so it may be the real deal. However, I wouldn't rule out survival just yet. After all the trouble they went through making that hideous wound in Karl's chest why the ambiguity?
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This show is out of fuckin control! I love it!!!
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Guess I was wrong.
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chinese dude asked ben for 3.2 million.
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That Sayid and Des took to the freighter. Maybe they just dropped her off instead of going through the barrier. They like when up to the threshold and then told her to jump. lol. I dunno.
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Some valid points re: the shooters. However, I still think Alex saying she's Ben's daughter might go against it being the Others. Having Ben's daughter could give someone some leverage on Ben. Well we'll find out in a month
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The island will heal her, but Karl's dead. That simple. If The French Chick's really dead then that's the best setup and non-follow-through on a character arc I can remember ever seeing... though maybe something on The Sopranos beats it.
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Yeah, I suppose. To be honest I'm not sure about anything. Maybe it's a tribe of four-toed monsters.
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Rewatching the episode now, Frank The Pilot and Naomi argued over who to fly to the island first, and Naomi won. No explanation of how her chopper gets back up out of the ocean and onto the freighter.
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"4. That 'bullet bouncing off the skull' line was definitely the creepiest thing I've heard in a while. If what I've read is true, that was the answer to the Jack/suicide question. You're not dying until the island says so. But does it only apply to everyone who LEAVES the island or specific individuals? I do recall Tom being shot by Sawyer."Do you not remember Tom looking down at his chest as if to say, "How the fuck did that happen? That wasn't supposed to happen."
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"Do you not remember Tom looking down at his chest as if to say, 'How the fuck did that happen? That wasn't supposed to happen.'"
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Set a recored...46 minutes. And I did it while watching live streaming of the Wisconsin game. Thank God for a 22' monitor. Managed to get Smallville up as well right before - though it was a distraction to watching LOST. Rewatch tomorrow morn as I have off. No thanks necessary guys - least I can do for those stuck with having to wait.
Ender - I JACKED UP the U/L parameters. Until we get some seeders other than me, its gonna be dragging. But I'm givin' you all I got Capt! -
Just watched it and have but 1 thing to say
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Did anyone else get the feeling that Michael's car crash attempted suicide was a flash-forward? He looked older in the hospital, and extremely banged up. Since there's only about three weeks between his leaving the island and Naomi's crash on the island, I don't think it's possible for him to recover from the wreck and do everything else they showed him doing before getting on the boat. My guess is that once the Oceanic 6 (and whoever else) get off the island, he's driven into an even deeper suicidal depression.
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48 leechers already! Seeders should be coming soon.
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I assume that was another Star Wars reference? :P
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Michael and Jin back together.
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YOu'll be pleased with the quality for such a small file.
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I don't think a facial expression that hasn't been addressed in this episode's 'previously' or any time before it warrants an explanation for something like that. I did ask whether it applied to individuals LEAVING the island or a selective few. Besides, if I was shot mid-speech I'd be pretty fucking confused myself.
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The Island stops you from commiting suicide? How does that work?
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that's actually a really good question. I think we're so used to weirdness something like that seems perfectly normal. I used to think that the island was alive and that Smokey was like the spirit of the island. Maybe the island is, um, God? Locke said it was the most beautiful thing he'd ever seen. Geez, I hope that's not it. I felt stupid just typing it.
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Great episode. Lots of shockers. It IS interesting that the episode sneak peeks had different music and sound effects. Matter of fact, the sneak peek used a star trek sound effect, but in the episode they replaced it. Nice funny touch. The episode itself? One of the better ones and it puzzles me that they would ever want to go into a hiatus with a different one. This was a perfect stopping point. Without giving anything away, it does leave the viewer with a certain sense of, I dunno... a feeling that...
THIS WILL BE THE LONGEST MONTH IN ALL OF HISTORY!!!!!
Ok... breathe , gotilk, breathe.
How is it possible that each and every one of us has the karma to deserve a TV show that remains this good for this long? Tell me that. Fanboy for Lost? You bet your sweet, normal, vanilla ass. Go outside , play some basketball or ultimate frisbee. Leave the rest of us alone. We're interested in what "the good guys" are doing this week and getting laid or buying a sports car is the absolute last thing we could imagine on a Thursday night. You just enjoy your Sizzler dinners and your dinner table small talk, go right ahead. We'll be over here, in our mom's basements, having an experience that you just might never quite get. We have witnessed the apex of TV entertainment and joyous manipulation. The ultimate experience we could have in front of our cathode rays, plasma screens and LCDs has arrived. And it is Lost.
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Tom's bf is one of the Others and now wants his revenge. Sawyer better watch your back!
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I think the Smoke Monster is a probe that came in from the future but got shot WAY back into the past and went crazy.
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He has consistently proven himself to be a punk. Remember when he used to sleep with Shannon? She was hot.
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....visited to check on the ghost in the room upstairs??? If yes, then is WALT supposedly dead OR in another dimension or WTF????
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BUSTIN' WALT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD!!!
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Ok people, when Sayid was alone with Ben on the island, thats when he made he pack with Ben, he also doesn't want the people on the island killed. Michael is a killer to save Walt, but not just random people on a boat. Ben new this. Which is why he told Sayid that he had someone on the boat. Sayid is the killer Ben wants on the boat, he knows he has no probem killing to protect his friends on the island. He gives up Michael to gain the captains trust. Ben gave him the list on the island or Michael will give him the list of who is good and who is bad. Sayid will kill on the boat to protect everyone....then as we have seen, he kills back in the real world to keep protecting everyone on the island. Thats it period. Sayid is not stupid, so enough of that. Ben is that far ahead of the game.
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A pack of what? Cigarettes? Wolves?
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sorry for the spelling errors, but you know it to be true. Sayid will be the killer.
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Guess we got to see the epilogue of what may have been Zeke's (aka Tom) final ass-pounding. Maybe not - doesn't strike as the catcher. Biggest shock of the season so far.
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Thanks for the offer. I have the torrent stuff down, but I've always had issues with capture and conversion.
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"You're not dying until the island says so. But does it only apply to everyone who LEAVES the island or specific individuals? I do recall Tom being shot by Sawyer."
The Michael flashback takes place BEFORE friendly is shot by Sawyer. Recall that Sawyer shoots Friendly on the day Naomi arrives on the island. The last time Friendly communicates with Michael is the day he meets Naomi while boarding the boat - BEFORE she goes to the island. Tom is dead. -
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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I call Alex. Just so you know.
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A friend and I were debating over whether it was entirely a flash forward and Jin was in fact faking his death to Sun, or whether Sun's portino was a flash forward (with Jin actually being dead), and Jin's portion actually being a flashback. Any clarification would be appreciated.
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They gave a shitload of answers this episode. Whoever said this show has gone from a cock tease to the village bicycle is absolutely right.
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Go to last week's Lost TB. You will find ample discussion.
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There is that idea in Time Travel that even if you try to go back and stop your wife from being murdered, no matter what you do she will always die. This is the way the "universe" stops a paradox from happening. I always personally thought this idea was weak because it makes the universe a kind of god but it could explain Michael being unable to kill himself.
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I guess that isn't fair. I'll just have to start watching them until 12:00 a.m. my time. Or wait to call any until 1:00. So you must be watching the episode right now, right?
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she's over 18. So she's not too young for you.
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"The Year of the Dragon." Last one was 2000.
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just kidding it was great just wanted you guys to read this
so the plan was to send michael to blow the boat up then midstream change it up on bens suggestion to only kill the "bad guys"? what the hell?
im sure it will make sense later but right now...huh?
and the tom flashback was indeed before he was shot by sawyer.
OK-so the island/jacob/ben?/smokey dosen't want the freighter to be stopped, by showing up as libby and trying to stop him..so the island wants to be empty?
obviously patch-eye did the shooting, making sure to drill karl and wound danille.
well, nothing is obviously i guuess..why the hell couldnt you kill yourself off the island? I dont even have a theory here..
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Well, that's what I think, anyway. I guess we'll see in next month...oh, and I knew Karl was a dead man walking: Ben always wanted him dead so that he wouldn't pork Alex. (who is looking VERY pork-able!) and R.I.P. Rousseau, you crazy French woman!
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I was expecting Mike to bite it, I'm glad I was surprised. I don't think Rousseau is dead, and I don't think the Others are the shooters. The telling point was Alex exclaiming she was Ben's daughter. Duh duh dunnnnn.
She's going to be ransom, for sure.
But, I wouldn't put it past Ben to tell the Others to kill whoever was with his daughter if she came searching for them. He's proven he's got a BAD jealous streak. All in all one of the better episodes this week and we finally got ANSWERS about Michael. Took long enough! -
ie a little more meat on that nice frame
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Hope you find your well seasoned woman.
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how all that TomBodet does is "sleep"?
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i think Ben is a little like Darth Vader: as a kid he was special and the island/jacob wanted him, but because of his upbringing (horrible abusive father) he became damaged, much the way anakin was damaged first by the emperor's influence, and then the duel with obi-wan.
ben may think he's the good guy, but he's not. he's a liar. the bomb was a dud cause ben wanted information. it's not enough just to destroy the ship, another could be sent in its place, but by getting information, they could protect themselves better against future attacks.
i think ben set up the fake crash, not widmore. i don't know what widmore's motives are, but i found it interesting how helpful he was to desmond in his flashback. i think widmore is a manipulator like ben, and that he manuevered desmond into getting stranded on the island. -
Are you kind of disappointed with Sayid's actions in this episode? It's the first time he seems to have exercised poor judgment.
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I think they are "the good guys". Not that they are perfect people, come on, we know that they aren't. But they are screwed up like the Losties are. The others, I mean. I think Ben was telling the truth about trying to save Alex so that she couldn't be used against him as a bargaining chip. I think, somehow, the people that fired at them were from the boat - even if what they were using to fire was different than machine guns. Of course, I've been wrong with Lost before... We'll see. I feel bad for Michael though. I really did. Even if he need's to redeem himself (something I am excited about seeing) this episode was totally about him, and I felt his pain. This was a kick-ass hour of TV. The wait is going to suck but hopefully the final five episodes will all blow us away. Besides, five weeks for five hours of Lost... that's way better than 3 years like some crappy movie sequels claim to offer up fan-boys. This should be exciting!
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can be dead and still have her story explained. It'll just be someone else's flashback Ben or Richard? maybe one of them took her baby...
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One never really gives respect or trust to a tattle-tale. Sayid took a big risk by turning in Michael. And since we know things didn't turn out so good, his decision was not a wise one.
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Easy enough answer. More than one helicopter. Not sure if that is THE answer, but it's an easy one.
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1) But I ask, to what end? The damage has been done to the ship. Sayid reacted way too quickly. He should know at this point that there is a possibility that the freighter is not there to rescue them. I believe he has said as much. The bottom line is that Sayid reacted rashly. He heard Michael was working for Ben, and turned him in. 2) We have gotten hints that things don't turn out to good for those left behind on the Island. I for one think that a lot of people are going to die. It's the reason why "We have to go back!" Plus Sayid becomes Ben's assassin to save whatever's left of the island losties.
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I'm glad they didn't bring Michael back for a special two-parter, "here he is, now he dies" type of thing. That would be cheap. He has history with the islanders and now he has to deal with it. Oh, and Sayid busting Michael? I can see where he's coming from. They just need to duct tape Ben's mouth and ignore that fucker. He's bad news.
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was it a gun or what that killed Danielle and Karl? or could it have been poison darts or something else? all you heard was like whizzing/whooshing noises then they had wounds and fell down. I didn't hear any guns firing.
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widmore and ben are brothers
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1) I see your point. I still don't think that was his best play. 2) Yeah, we don't know what is going to happen. But I still believe that whatever it is, it's going to be BAD.
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If you remember in "The Economist" Sayid had a sitdown with Ben which we didn't hear all of. Obviously he told Sayid Michael was on the boat and when he finds him to turn him over to the Captain for a reason that will hopefully be explained in April or May..
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Wow. That'd be cool.
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Sayid's act might be calculated or it might be rash. We'll find out. But if it is rash, Sayid is allowed to be emotional and make mistakes. He might be the most rationally consistent of our heroes, but he's still a flawed human being. Some of y'all have some serious Sayid-worship issues going on.
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But I would have pulled a Ben and waited until I really had something to gain for giving up the info.
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Is the rest of this show just watching people line up to get shot?
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Wouldn't it be cool if there were actual island natives attacking them?
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months, yet, on the island it's only been 100 days. Weird.
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That's what I'm saying, a tribe of four toed monsters.
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Poison is fresh. Three days.
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The "give us answers" crowd were responded to in spades. With some clever twists.Who faked the fake crash? Widmore. Where's Miles? Oh, here he is. Why did Naomi fly the first chopper when there was a better pilot on the ship? They address it. Did "not my type" really mean Mr. Friendly was gay? yup.By the way, Wa-a-ay back when The Others took Walt off the raft, I repeatedly refered to them as "the gay pirates." CALLED IT!After all the speculation over who dies Michael comes right out and says "I came here to die." - and then doesn't. Karl gets plinked and I'm going "Aww no they didn't, he's too minor, what a rip of..." BANG (or Phffft!) and Danielle goes down.After weeks of arguments here over the identity of the 6th Oceanic Six member, the preview just shows closeups of all six, including Turnip Headed Aaron! Answers out the freaking wazoo.Then after watching a few other things I taped I come here and everything is well organized and mostly on topic. No big flame wars or trolling going on, no rumbles, nobody live-blarging sportsball jamborees. And sensible theories are outweighing the "it's a show about time travel" nonsense talk. The point about Sayid being Ben's Man On The Boat with a deliberate reason for betraying Michael is so good I hope it's true. Even though Ben does, at one point, come out and say "Michael is my man on the boat" or words to that effect. Hey, Locke has to learn not to believe anything Ben says.Speaking of the people who wanted all the answers now, was that the writers speaking through Locke with his line "I want to thank you all for your patience"? Brilliant!And as I predicted before my nappy time, this talkback did make it up to #2 on the hit parade. One person complained about the "Terminator Of Endearment" thread at #1 but if you don't like it or don't find that sort of thing funny, just don't go there.Great episode, great cliffhangers (Alex, Michael, in upcoming battle alluded to in the preview) - It's the first day of spring and here in West Michigan a blizzard is coming. It's all good. And only a month until another straight run of Lost episodes! "Two days ago I was sitting in a cell and now I'm sitting here eating pound cake."Dang that was an enjoyable viewing experience.
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I just joined the Tb and noticed ur question. Dont know if anyone has already answered u buddy, but No, the lady in the "confirmed dead" episode was not Michael's mom. So there ya go.
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REALLLY INTERESTIN STUFF my man. Sounds like a nice theory.
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I'm sorry but Danielle has survived on the Island for well over a decade, so to be surprised by the others like that simply makes little sense and IF she is dead then it will be a huge black mark against the writers for me.
Remember the brilliant scene where she walks in on Locke in the Black Rock and they both acknowledge each other as equals without saying anything much at all ? She is not a character to be thrown away simply because the writers wanted a shock death on the screen at this point in the show and the manner of her death was frankly, incredibly weak.
So me personally, I can't believe she's dead. There's more to that "ambush" than we know. The obvious answer would be it is the others waiting for Alex and taking out Danielle and the boyfriend on Ben's orders, so for that very reason I can't see it being that simple.
Also I take it people have already brought up the possibility that the Captain knows that Michael is a traitor because the Cap didn't seem to betray a whole lotta shock to me. But maybe he was just taking it in as Ben giving Sayid Orders is also plausable.
Finally "the Island" having these awesome powers to stop suicides seems raaather a big stretch for me but I'll go along with it if there is some logic too it eventually.
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is that when an episode gives this many answers the talk-backers are here making up strange new questions.Okay, Locke was shot with a pistol at close range through the torso and left for dead but the astute observed (yes, I called it) that he was shot through where his kidney WOULD HAVE BEEN if his dad hadn't conned him out of it.Dannielle "The Crazy French Woman" Rousseau is shot through the upper torso and appears to die but people refuse to accept it. Okay, let's say it wasn't fatal because when they stole Alex from her when she was a baby it ripped her heart out or at least broke it and the bullet passed through the break where her heart would have been. Yeah, that makes sense, right?Or, gee, maybe being shot through the back with a sniper rifle was, you klnow, actually bad for her.Was it an anticlamactic way for a recurring character to go, or one with unresolved issues and story elements? Well, considering that the episode began with, among other things, the scenes of AnaL Lucia and Libby getting capped (and Michael clearly shocked and surprised over shooting Libby, who also seemed to have unresolved plot threads dangling), then Dannielle's death seems exactly like something the show's writers would spring on us for the shock value.And was it in character for her? Well, as I alluded above, people here used to call her "the Crazy French Woman". When you're pinned down by sniper fire, isn't "Let's stand up in an open field and run" a pretty crazy thing to think of? Seems in character to me.Only one month and three days until the next episode. [Poom!]... LOST.
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of course I mean the opposite of made with clams. No clams were involved in Danielle's (apparent) death.All the people who want all the answers should have tried Sayid's method years ago. Just grab a character by the shirt, throw them up against a wall and snarl "I want answers" in their face and out they come. Once you get Michael babbling his attention to the details of his narrative are remarkable - if I was telling I was driving at 100 MPH on my way to commit suicide by ramming a dumpster, of course I'd mention that a song by Mama Cass Elliot came on the radio.I joke, but I skidded off an icy road into a utility pole to the tune of "Under Pressure" by David Bowie and Queen - that IS the sort of thing you'd remember. That's a true story, by the way, except for the part where I claim it's the real origin of Vanilla Creme's "Ice, Ice Baby".
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at the Asstown Kootcher episode of "Miss Guided". It was when the auto shop teacher turned Spanish teacher pardoned himself by telling his class "Uno Mento." I'm pretty sure that means "One Mento." (Also, the word "Blarging" which I used above in message 2.50.21 was from the other episode. One joke per episode - that can't be good for s sit-com, can it?)
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I don't believe this has been brought up, but did anyone notice that Mr. Friendly is staying in the Hotel Earle, a la the same hotel name from the Coen Brothers' Barton Fink (though in NYC, not LA). Mr. F might want to watch consider changing hotels. Watch out for that creepy bellman, too.
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In the sitdown with Locke and Miles, why doesn't somebody ask WHY? WHY do the freighter folk want Ben? WHY will they kill everyone on the island? Urgh. So frustrating...
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moving away from people shooting at you seems like a good idea, especially if there's a second shooter on the grassy knoll catching you in a crossfire or if the shooter(s) moving towards you.I was just saying, it looked like Danielle and Alex were semi prone and behind a tree when Danielle decided to stand up in the open and run, and took one through the back. I think the result demonstrates that it was a questionable strategy.Bern B - I did catch the Star Wars quote - "I've got a bad feeling about this" but missed the Barton fink allusion. That's why I enjoy coming here.
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In a plane that is supposed to be 815, what possible story can the Oceanic 6 (+2) give for their survival? Even if the bodies aren't recovered or even identified, at the very least they're going to count everyone on board. Ben or Widmore or whoever put it down there would have no way of knowing that 6 people would get off the island and decide to make up an elaborate story of what happened that they tell to the media/authorities. Has this already been brought up? I'm sure it has.
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I hope those two guys get their own show after this is over where they're both cops in Miami .... "I will torture him ... " "Yes brutha"
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It's so crazy. I wonder if they are in the Matrix type thing for reasons for Michael not dying.
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Please to excuse posting. Alert us when you done watching fine tv show.
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I'd rather have seen the bullet bounce off Michael's skull. :\
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If people can come and go off the Island, why not send women who are pregnant away, give birth and come back withtheir bouncing bundles of joy? Rosseau who's survived by her wits for over 16 years on the island, when trapped by a snipers gun fire, graps her daughters hand and tells her to run with their BACKS TO THE DIRECTION THE BULLETTS ARE COMMING FROM. Riiiiiiight.
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What was his big line again? "Ayeblubby."?
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Some people are acting as if Ben's original plan was for Michael to blow up the ship, but then Ben changed his mind and took pity on the innocents. No way! Just because that's how it looked like events unfolded from Michael's (and the viewers') point of view doesn't mean it's true. Ben just wanted to see if Michael had the balls to do it--I'm sure he had it all planned out from the beginning.
(When we flashed back to the present, and Sayid said, "does this mean you're working for Ben," did anyone else expect Michael to say, "Who's Ben? Do you mean that guy Henry Gale?")
But I'm a little confused why Ben would go to all this trouble to coerce Michael--more than a little unstable, and not at all loyal to Ben--into taking the assignment and infiltrating the boat when he has so many other Others he could plant there instead. But then again, I'm still not quite sure why Ben went through such elaborate trickery to get Jack to do the surgery on him when he could have just shown up on day one, invited the survivers to Others Village, given them food and shelter, and Jack probably would have been more than happy to do the surgery, and without double-crossing him. I'm afraid the only answer to that is probably "it wouldn't make good television."
I don't have the episode to review, but are we a hundred percent sure that the helicopter Naomi parachuted from crashed? If so, that seems to be, as people have said, a rather big plot hole.
I don't know why everyone's all up in Sayid's grill for grabbing Michael and turning him in. Maybe it's just that he isn't drinking the Kool-Aid that Ben's serving Locke and the others (and us) back at Others Village. Why are we all of a sudden convinced that Ben is the good guy? Although, with Michael's suicide failures, it does seem that Ben's intentions are in accord with The Island/Jacob--and it's hard to believe that THEY are evil too. Then again, I like the theory that Ben and Sayid's secret deal is that he replace Michael as the inside man. But if that were the case, Sayid wouldn't have spent so much time on the boat dinking around, wondering who sabotaged the communications, making Michael explain himself--he would have gotten down to business. (By the way--is Michael the one that opened the door for them?)
And lastly, I can't imagine that Danielle and Carl getting shot is anything other than the work of Ben. He has specifically tried to keep both of them away from Alex for a long time now, and it was obviously something eating at him while in captivity--now he sends them and only them to a specific place on a map, and when they get there they get shot. Come on! -
If the writers' strike hadn't ended, can you imagine this being the Season 4 finale, and having to wait 11 months to see the next episode? I probably would have tried to Michael myself.
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She does nothing but stand in the background and inject her face with botox.
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We've just flown over from Jedi Temple to arrive at the Senate Building. We Run into the Chancellor's Chambers, only discover two men locked in a heated Battle: Supreme Chancellor Benpatine is on the ground, shooting lightning up to desperately defend himself against Jedi Master Mace Widmore, who's catching the lightning on his lightsaber and doing his very best to kill Benpatine once and for all. Both Men are calling for YOUR help, shrieking that the other man is your true enemy. What are you going to do, young Jedi? Who's hand are you going to cut off, who are you sending through that window?
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maybe the island won't let anyone shoot him.
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I found this ep. quite surreal but rewarding - in a way.
But now I gotta check a few things:
When Friendly was indulging in N.Y., is that before or after Locke sunk the u-boat?!
There are two helipads on the big Kahuna crazy stuck in time boat. One went down with Naomi in a space suite...
And what is in the big containers, I think it is two of them. Prolly some WMD that 'cause a Tsunami if not connected in a proper way. -
I am wondering if, once you've been to the island, you can only die on the island. Maybe it's not that the island has some sort of godlike power that lets it keep you alive until it wants you to die-- it's that once you've been, it's the only place where you *can* die. And maybe that's an additional reason Jack wants to go back so badly? So he can die? Anything in the show's past that contradicts this? (The coffin, maybe?)
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anybody with theater glue in his locker = fiercely gay.
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Carl had to go because he and Alex were getting frisky and Ben didn't want Alex ending up preggers.
And Rousseau obviously had to go so that Ben can keep his control over Alex without Rousseau elbowing him in the face every so often.
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"Michael's mom references the crash, so he must have gotten back shortly after he sailed off in Ben's boat."
How does Michael make it back "shortly" to NYC in that little boat?
There was an episode of Northern Exposure where Joel finally left Alaska. He and Maggie were searching for some mysterious lights, and when they found them the lights turned out to be NYC. Yes, from Alaska Joel walked directly into NYC.
We know the coordinates Ben gave Michael were a little bit different from the helicopters. Suppose somehow you can get to anywhere in the world from the island just by following different coordinates. It might explain how a tiny plane leaving Africa can end up crashed on an island in the pacific. -
Mar 21, 2008 9:29:40 AM CDT
Charlie spoke with Widmores daughter BEFORE the phone call?
by evilwizardglick
Where did Charlie talk to Penny?
During the phone call with Desmond she mentioned speaking with Charlie in relation to the call.
She didn't have that much time when he was drowning, and he never told her his name.
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Thank god the writers strike came to an end when it did.
I like the assumption that Sayid turned Michael in to gain trust but he is also an emotional person and that act most likely leads to him working for Ben to attone for his failure.The island not allowing people to kill themselves was also an interesting new twist. I can't wait to see how that gets played out.Also Smokie was definately heard multiple times in the preview for the new eps :-) -
S3 finale - Penny and Charlie talking in the underwater Looking Glass, right before Patchy blew it all up.
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What's up with them? He made Goodwin compile a list, Sayid had a list, and now he wants Michael to do one. Ben has a list fetish.
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Didn't see you already posted that...
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I think Tom confronted Michael before the submarine was blown up. But I'm guessing that the "sub" is just a ruse - they've got some other method for Ben and Co (and not all of them - especially the pregnant ladies) to travel to and fro the island. The same way they brought Locke's dad to the island so quickly. Remember, Ben said Locke brought him? There's some other "supernatural" way of travel - or wormhole.
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You know all the elements were there for me to love this episode and I have loved this whole season even the couple of eps that other people didn't like but I don;t know this one seems like a corney way to get michael back into the show. I don't know why anyone feels empathy for his character even the writers are hammering us over the head reiterating the fact that he is a cold blooded murdering lowlife. I think having him go off in the boat with Walt with his angry eyes showing no remorse for his friends on the dock was so powerful that maybe it should have been the last time we saw him and Walt. Dunno I think it cheapens that moment somehow. Now Mr. Friendly as the spy on the boat that would have been a mindfuck. Also as great as this is setting up to be I am already tired of Locke baking cookies. Locke in a house = Lame. Locke running around the jungle covered in boar blood stalking shit and making glue out of obscure tree sap = fucking cool. Please get Locke back in the jungle.
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Captain Sheridan's going be offly pissed!!!
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A. Murdered 2 people in cold blood, accident????
B. Wild crazy eyes and patchy beard. Bad beard is always a tell
C. Judge gives him 40 years without parole
D. Calm down you will blow a gasket. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I do agree with one thing you said, Ann had it coming I couldn't stand the character, her acting or the way she always looked a little shit-faced (maybe sipping the Jesus Juice between takes) -
This ep covered a lot of the things I hoped they would cover and I think it was even better than The Constant for advancing the arc. Hell, they even brought up "The Temple" again.
I think we can assume that Rousseau's murderers were not boat people since they didn't show them, yet implied it would be them. Likely the others instead. Ben can communicate with them through the black smoke just like he did with Juliet's "friend."
Mr. Friendly being gay was only confirmation that when a guy says that Kate is "not his type," then he's surely gay. It was interesting that he said that only "some of them" can move off the island. I wonder what that means.
Still not sure what the deal is with Michael. Why the fake bomb and why send him at all? I guess the Island wants him back for some reason (since it won't let him die) and Ben is just going along with it.
I'll miss Rousseau. She's obviously dead, given the tearful "I love you" scene. And I guess there's not much left for her to do anyway. Still though, she was one of the few on the island that I had any respect for. Same with Eko. It seems like scumbags are the only ones who get to live. That's why Michael can't die and he's now one of the "good ones" for completely selling his soul.
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How can they kill her off without a flashback? I doubt that she's a favorite character of a lot of fans, but her flashback would fill in a lot of blanks. I bet we haven't seen the last of her. People tend not to stay dead on the island for one thing.
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She is gorgeous
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OH Yea and French Chick is not dead, no way.
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Not Yet.
I can see the next episode stating with people, whoever they are, coming out from hiding surrounding Alex (who does look hotter) and checking both Danielle and Karl and finding Danielle not quite dead. They can't kill her now in front of Alex, so they take her and Alex with them.
We may see her flashback as she's dying in the next episode.
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dosen't ben wanting michael to blow up the boat/kill everyone on board conflict with the factor that the whispers(island) wanted him not to, thru showing libby tellin him not to do it?
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Yeah, I've never found Alex attractive (just like her mom), but for some reason, last night she was unbelievably hot!!!!! I'm glad it wasn't just me.
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Yes, I know about the whole MSU-GVSU EXHIBITION loss, but since when do practices count? I'd like to see it on either coaches' all time records. That's like saying the Patriots perfect regular season doesn't count since they lost in the pre-season, or the '74 Dolphins perfect year doesn't count since they lost an exhibition too. As an MSU grad and a current GVSU grad student - well, GVSU has had a great year too! Let's got MSU tomorrow night! Back to Lost - I don't believe Tom's claim that Widmore set up the fake plane. The captain says it, Tom says it - but why should we believe either one? Have they proven to be trustworthy? Finally: Rosseau = Dead Jin = Alive
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I thought the first part of Michael's story seemed like a flash-forward too. His beard was all grey and he seemed older. Plus that seemed like an awefully short recovery from such a bad wreck. The only problem I see with it being a flash-forward is that Michael should already know he can't kill himself. But after that flash-forward, Flash-back shit they pulled last week, nothing would surprise me.
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Mar 21, 2008 11:29:44 AM CDT
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllttttttttttttttttt
by maximus prime
great episode...
Big gay Tom..who says we dont get answers..
Mike's mums a bitch..let him talk to WAAALLLLTTTT lookalike boy
nice to Fisher Stevens again, poor Zoe Ball, hope that wasnt all we get of her, maybe she swam to the Island and shot the two
Alex would def get it
Ben seemed quite descent in this episode, hope we dont find out he sent them there to get Danielle and Karl killed...
Danielle: dead or not??? I hope not but think she is, I need my black rock flashback
Sayid giving up Mike, bad decision my friend, one of the only bad ones u have made to date...no good
great episode, I thought it was a better ending that 7, so wonder why he wanted 7 to be the end of the half season..this episode felt that it was just going to throw season 4 into 5th gear and wanted to leave it til we got them all in a row, but bring on number 9
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Incredibly hot last night
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How did whoever is in that coffin (Sayid or Ben probably) kill themselves then if the island isn’t letting important players off themselves. I think whoever's in that coffin didn’t kill themselves after all.
And their sooo setting it up that it wasn’t Widmore or Ben who set up that fake plane crash. I’m thinking Abaddon isn’t working for Widmore, the way they introduced him made him out to be more. If Ben and the others can put Michael on the boat so easily I think the actual 'big bad' could have got that 5 man team on also. I'm thinking Abaddon and his crew are responsible.
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From Pennys tone it sounded as her conversation with Charlie related directly to Desmonds call to her.
I can't recall Charlie stating his or Desmonds name to Penny, but I could be wrong.
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He just was unlucky on the first attempt....and Tom made a switch-a-roo on the pawn shop gun after their scuffle in the alley. The island had nothing to do with it.
I'm startin to think when Michael ends up hanging from the rafters in LA...if he was murdered...or simply testing his mysterious Island Suicide Prevention Watch.
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Locke groomed Dead rich boy then Charlie. Locke was lured with a MALE honey trap by the FEDS.
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I know the feeling - who cares if someone dies, if they're just going to come back? The writers/powers that be addressed this earlier, and said they didn't want to get into that trap. But I guess they did! Don't worry, my green and white friend, for Jin IS NOT DEAD! I'm sticking to that theory. BTW - you beat me to the "car crash not a flashforward" statement. Because Darlton wills it not to be so!
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This TB is our new home for the next 4 1/2 weeks! I call top bunk!
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Dunno why , maybe the camera angle. She normally has a face that you know was on the cusp of being hot then something went wrong. But last night she looked for most of the episode like a supermodel. I love her hair and eyes and her lips ain't bad either.
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Unlike Rousseau, it was explicitly stated 'he's gone' by Danielle. Rousseau is another story however.
And im banking on the shooter being Keamy and Omar from the freighter and maybe some other freighter red shirts. I want more of the creepy freighter docter who looked like a strange combination of Damon and Carlton. -
I was reading through some posts and forgot about Michael's line near the beginning of the show, "I came here to die." So, after all of his attempts to kill himself, he must return to the island to redeem himself. He's so guilty about Ana Lucia and Libby's death, the island know that he's a good person, and won't let him go, cause he has work to do... much like Locke lying in a ditch at the end of season 3. Once Michael redeems himself... the island will let him go. I can see Michael fulfilling some mission in a future ep. and dying with a smile on his face... finally getting to end his guilt. I hope he doesn't return to the show for a couple episodes to be sold out by Sayid to gain the captain's trust. That would be a waste of a good character.
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Damn, if that's not a solid idea. Finally get her flashback while she's on her deathbed. She makes final peace with Alex, then she's out- a meaningful ending, with ANSWERS. You sir, have a good idea there.
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Charlie's discussion with Penny, as we saw it:
Penny: Hello? Can you hear me?
Charlie: Yes! I can hear you!
P: Who is this? Whom am I speaking to?
C: Charlie! Charlie Pace! I'm a survivor of 8-1-5, Oceanic flight 815.
P: Where are you?
C: We're on an island, we're alive!
P: An island? Where? Where's the location?
C: I don't know. Who's this?
P: Penelope. Penelope Widmore. How did you get this frequency?
C: (towards Des) Desmond! Desmond!
P: Did you say Desmond?
C: Yeah. He's here, he's with me!
P: Is he ok?
C: He's brilliant! Hey, are you on the boat?
P: What boat?
C: Your boat. 80 miles off shore. Naomi, parachuted...
P: I don't own a boat. Who's Naomi? Hello? Is Desmond there? Can you hear me? (Patchy detonates grenade.)
So there you have it, straight for Through the Looking Glass Also, for those that said Jack never mentioned his name on the satellite phone to the freighter, he most certainly does. "This is Jack Shephard" is one of the first things out of his mouth to Minkowsky. -
Anyone else have flashbacks to the Hatch when that alarm went off on the ship, waking Desmond and Sayid? IIRC, exact same alarm saying "it's time to enter the numbers and push the button!"
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Found this on the internets.
PENNY: Hello?! Can you hear me?
CHARLIE: Yes, yes I can hear you.
PENNY: Who is this? Who am I speaking to?
CHARLIE: Charlie er... Charlie Pace, I'm a survivor of Flight eight-one-five, Oceanic Flight eight-one-five.
PENNY: Er... where are you?
CHARLIE: We're on an Island, we're alive.
PENNY: An Island!! Well where, what's your location?
CHARLIE: I dunno. Who's this?
PENNY: This is Penelope. Penelope Widmore. How did you get this frequency?
CHARLIE: [Shouts] Desmond? Desmond!
PENNY: Did you just say Desmond?
CHARLIE: Yeah, he's here, he's with me.
PENNY: [Smiles] Is he OK?
CHARLIE: He's brilliant! Hey, are you on the boat?
PENNY: What, what boat?
CHARLIE: Your boat, eighty miles off shore. Er... Naomi, parachutist.
PENNY: Bu, I'm not on a boat, who, who's Naomi?
[Desmond looks around the moon pool room, and notices Mikhail's body is missing. In the comms room, a tap at the window cause Charlie to turn. Mikhail is outside in the water, with a grenade in his hand]
PENNY: Hello, hello is Desmond there? Desmond, can you hear me? Desmond?
[Mikhail pulls the cork. Charlie turns to see Desmond running toward the room, and he rushes to close the door. As he does so, Desmond sees the video screen]
PENNY: Can you hear me?
DESMOND: Penny!!! No...
[Charlie closes the door and locks it. Mikhail lets off the grenade and the window is destroyed. Water rushes into the comms room]
DESMOND: Charlie!!!
[Charlie turns to the water as Desmond hammers against the door with a fire extinguisher. Charlie stands still then suddenly rushes, grabbing a pen from his pocket and writing on his hand desperately. He then dives down to the door window between him and Desmond, pressing his hand on the glass with the words on “Not Penny's boat”. Desmond understands, and Charlie smiles. Charlie then breathes in, and he rushes backwards in the water. As he drowns, he gestures the cross on his chest]
So Charlie did tell penny his name, she heard him say Desmond and she told Charlie who she was.
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But I actually just watched it and wrote down the transcript myself! I should have saved myself the time!
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Looks like we were working on the same thing at the same time...and you beat me to it.
Damn you BigE. Damn you all to hell!!!
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Means I'm surfing the internets! What's your excuse - are you at work?
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<y slow ass is right there with you on that BigE. Alarm was giving me my own flashbacks to the hatch.
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Wait...you're not my boss or anything are you? if you are, I take back everything that's documented today.
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The alram on the boat is giving my slow tired ass my own flashback to the hatch. I swear if I had my laptop with me while watching it I would have started entering the numbers.
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I can't tell if you just read and are responding to my post on the alarm, before your transcript, or did I just beat you to the punch again?
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I too watched it drunk. Went out with friends, and am suffering a bit today. Watched it again this morning in the haze of somewhere between being drunk and hungover.
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Bastards totally teased us with the scene with Ben and the losties. As soon as it seemed some answers were going to come BAMM here come Michael.
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"As soon as it seemed some answers were going to come BAMM here come Michael."
Tman - I'm sorry the writers didn't answer questions for you last night. I'm sorry we went to the boat, found out Michael made it to NYC, found out where WAAAAALLLLTTT was, found out Ben had CONvinced Michael to be Ben's man on the boat, found out Ben's wishes and the islands don't always jive, found out only some people can go and come as they please, found out Tom's gay, found out these things and other things and more things.
Even though I don't work for the show, I would like to apologize to you, Tman, for wasting your time with the episode. I'm sure if they were here they would drop to their knees in tears begging forgiveness.
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There is a theme on LOST regarding the relationships, often strained, between fathers and sons. did anyone else get the hint when Ben asked Michael, "What wouldn't a father do for his son?" that Ben may have a son out there? I may be reading to much into it, but the writers deliberately said son rather than child. How could Ben really understand the sacrifices a father would make for his son if he does not have one himself?
I am thinking the DHARMA station (The Orchid?) might have been converted from a real temple or built over one. that might be the root cause of the natives' animosity or explain some of the poltergeist aspects of the show.
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I was talking about specific answers regarding why they wanted Ben. Thanks for being a total douchebag though, way to be.
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Little late.
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The Pilot, Shannon, Boone, Mr. Friendly, Joanna, the guy sucked into the jet engine, Scott (or Steve), Locke's dad, Adam & Eve, Karl, AnaLucia, Libby, Mr. Eko, Jacob, Ben's dad, the Dharma Initiative, the polar bear(s), Ethan, Naomi, Minkowski, Charlie, dead. Rousseau - dead or dying. Going to be dead: Michael, Claire, Jin, occupant of coffin. Totally inexplicably not dead yet: Ben Linus.Yes, I know I forgot some. Like I've been taking notes for the whole series.
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"Too many people now seem to get killed only to come back." Who, other than Patchy? Can you name one other person who died and came back as anything other than a part if a dream? Every other time someone dies, they die. That is why I think some people here are in denial about Jin being dead.
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Weird timing on that, NP. I was considering listing most of those in my post, then said fuck it. Good thing.
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The entry/exit point is on her right rib area so I wouldn't assume she was instantly killed.
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If not
http://tinyurl.com/2fsugk
There are nearly 100 seeders now, should be a quick dl.
I have to watch this Ep again. I watched the UW game online while I watched LOST, while I prepped Smallville for Torrent. I know - and thanks RB for pointing out my observation, Mike got home EXTREMELY fast for that little boat. I remember that Northern Exposure ep - and I keep going back to that theory that makes the most sense of this show
Vile Verticies. Fits so perfectly. THe Island is a "dumping ground for thos that enter at one of the points. And there is tear in space time at certain (probably moving) coordinate that will spit you back out at once of the enterence points. Ben knows the coordinated to "pass through" and come out at any of the VIle Verticies (hense the passports and foreign currency). At the right heading lies the right exit for one of the Verticies. It waould make those with that knowledge seemingly omnipresent.
I threw a theory Waaaaaay at the beginning before I started blogging during the ep. 3.2 Million was code to Ben that he had 32 hours before "the invasion" by shocktroops. Why do I think that?
1. Miles would know when they are coming and I believe Miles is Ben's ally.
2. Ben said something like "Why not 3.1? 3.3? 3.4?" - kinda like , you know the EXACT HOUR? Oh shit!
3. He knows bad guys are comeing so he works to get Alex oupt of there (yeah, nice work, dad!)
4. The time of 32 hours seems to fit - and now there are people with sophisticated weaponry on the island shooting to kill. I think at least a part of my theory is right.
THIS TB WILL SURVIVE until Ep 4.9. Those in the Big Ten will do their part.
Xiphos, I suppose you can come along despite your evil attitude towards true student athletes. BTW, UW pwned Ohio St and everyone else in hoops this year. Poisonous Useless nuts maybe the media's darling, but they are routinely chewed up and spit out by ferocious Badgers. And I am 100% behind our conference and MSU (unless we play each other). So Node, BigE - what's next on the schedule? RB -yours? -
hastily compiled short-list of people who re-appeared after either already being dead, or being gravely injured.
Add to that how the black woman was so cavalier about demanding that patchy kill her - as if it wasn't a big deal, and how Patchy says 'thank you' when they throw him through the barrier and he suffers a brain hemorrhage.
Here's a fun nugget: the headline for the newspaper that the pawnbroker is reading says: "YOU SLACKERS" - lol Damon. You caught us looking. -
I spell like a 4th grader. Sorry.
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Niiiice. THAT is funny. Just think how fun it would be to be a writer on this show. You know the devotion - and you know we appreciate being fucked with. Those guys are good. Brodarlton - where are you dude??
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I think Jin's death faild to resonant with you because YOU NEVER SAW HIM DIE!! You saw a tombstone. Not much to get attached to there. Sure...watching Sun talk to her "dead" husband was moving...but you felt bad for Sun...not Jin.
Whether he's actually dead or not (I'm in the camp that believes him to be alive, but Sun THINKS he has died)...It won't resonant until you see it actually happen.
As for people "coming back" after they die...Patchy has set up some sort of "invincibility" theory...like, Mikhail has got some superhuman shit happening. Perhps that's the case...the island does "heal" certain people. But, that grenade certainly solved that..."Dude...you've got some Patchy on you".
That said...Even if Rousseau IS, in fact dead, and not just "wounded"...she could STILL show up in flashbacks. For all we know...she could have been working for Ben when he was "caught" in her net....the same way he forced Michael to work for him by using Walt as leverage. Perhaps a ben flashback will show Ben using Danielle with Alex as leverage. I think we will see parts of Danielle's earliest island adventures...only through ben's eyes now.
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NO JACK this week! I do think the island WILL let him do the deed, however. J/K BrightEyes - your blind devotion is admirable...and comical.
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Even when you fix the spaces. Use TinyURL Brother.
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That is either a quick response or WEIRD ISLAND LIKE coincidence, my brutha.
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1st game, tonight at 7ish. Mt Saint Mary's. After that, if we survive, the winner of Indiana/Arizona.
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I still think the whole WHO'S THE BAD GUY arc is amazing...for every case that Widmore is the big nasty...another one points the finger right back at Ben...It's really great mystery writing going on now...it's like a "who dunnit" before anything's ever been done!
So far...we have not seen Widmore's side of the story...sure...the captain brought out the 815 black box last week...but could the captain be working for BEN?! That's what's going to be fun to see, the captain's reaction to Sayid throwing Michael/Kevin under the bus. Will he toss Mike in the brig...or Des & Sayid? Some great writing going on here, folks. -
Bastards totally teased us. You want "specific answers regarding why they wanted Ben"
That about sum it up?
Sorry, my bad.
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So let me get this straight Tman. You want answers to specific issues when you want them and because you don't get them or think you are about to get them and don't you call the writers bastards for not giving them to you when you want or expect the answers.
That about sum it up?
Oh, well then...that's totally different. I guess i owe you an apology for apologizing for the writers.
My bad...
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You're right node. Mind and fingers are playing together well today.
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All those students taking, "Intro to Jock Maintenance" will be quite offended by your assertion. After they look up assertion.
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It would have been nice to hear why the people on the boat actually want Ben instead of just knowing they want him. Shit they could want Ben because he was a chef and spit in one of Widmore's Cheeseburgers for all we know. I know the answer will come and I'm patient because without the wait the show would be one episode,but it was definately a tease to have Locke bring everyone in the house including Miles just to rehash things we already knew.
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YOu will pay for your insolence!
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So the official story is that the plane is down in the trench with all the passengers dead in it. Except that officially the Oceanic Six are all still alive. So somewhere between the plane crashing and sinking the Six must have escaped the plane and gotten to safety. So is the explanation going to be that they managed to get out the plane's escape hatch, get into a life raft, and get picked up after... two months? And did Whitmore know enough about what was up on the island to NOT leave a dead body in Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, and Sun's seats?
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You have never called your friend a bastard or something similar when they teased you with some information you wanted but didn't give it to you? Well in the non internet world that stuff happens all the time, I'm sorry if you don't know this.
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If you were spoiler free, you did not know that. Don't confuse your speculation for actually knowing something.
Again, you wanted something you didn't get and you resort to criticizing the writers.
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Wow dude you really are reading WAY too much into what I said. I said it in jest but if you want to get your panties in a bunch feel free.
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Watch out for Pitt. They like to brawl. Good thing you are a physical team.
And hey, Big 10 Brotha, how 'bout a little help with Xiphos? He's killing me! BigE, but down the Boot of Beer, jump in! -
We did know Michael was on the boat last week.
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Suck on it Xiphos. ;>}
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or...Lambeau Field for a national Championship game. Holy Fuck I'd squirt a load in my parntz.
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I especially like that the reason Jack wants to go back is because he's where Michael is at now.
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That team speed BS was thrown around in the 2 rose bowls against UCLA. We destroyed them 2x,. Auburnm Arkansas...check and check. Beat them in 2 of the last 3 bowk games. Case closed.
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You morons are talking about basketball.
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Go Bears!
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Isn't there a sports blog you guys could be talking about this shit over? I don't hate sports, I just have absolutely no interest in them. I'm here for Lost. I know you dudes are too. Why don't you exchange emails or something?
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That the answer to one of the questions on the Gameshow Michael is watching is "Kurt Vonnegut"?
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I'm not a huge football fan, but I do like my BBall. That said, what conference has had the most teams in the final 4 the past 10 years? You know it's the big 10! Naw, I'm going to stick with Lost discussion for now.
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Who gains more with the faked crash - Widmore, or Ben? Ben obviously doesn't want people to come looking for the island - more so than Widmore. Also, how could someone cover up the crash for long? Repainting the plane, hauling up dead bodies, and dumping the whole load in the ocean would be nearly impossible to cover-up. Bigger operation than the World Trade Center cover-up! That's a joke, by the way - I don't drink the Kool Aid and think it's a government plot.
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Don't mean to be too confrontational, it's just been going like this for a few weeks now. If I started a three or four-way conversation on the TB about pencils, ink and paper (I'm an illustrator) it might bother some people. Thanks.
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Looked like the real Sawyer. Also, was it November? What was the deal with all the Christmas decorations at the hospital.
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As soon as we saw Ben's disapproving look at Alex and Carl's display of affection, we all should have been painfully aware that Carl's days were numbered. I'm personally amazed he got dead so quickly, Ben really does get what he wants, whenever he wants it. I'm pretty sure Danielle is dead, but not 100%. Jin is definitely dead as dead can be, but we'll see him once or twice before the season is over.
One of the few things that Ben has said that I believe is that he considers himself to be at war. It's possible that it's as simple as "the enemy is Widmore, he has an army, I have an army", but I think it might be more complicated than that. I still think Widmore and Ben are either in cahoots now, or have been in the past and are now rivals.
Very, very interested to find out how the Island can possibly transport people (magic box-teleportation device?) and even more mysteriously, prevent people from dying.
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natives on the series.
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They can't kill her off without payoff, unless its from her daughter as a baby perspective. I believe that maybe Ben IS her father and had it on with Rousseau either through subterfuge or manipulation. Course I was starting to think that Karl was Ben's son.
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First we had Admiral Cain, and now Mr. Friendly. Seeing as they are the only gay people on their respective shows and this was only revealed after they are dead, I see a trend. What, was DL "Kitty" Hawkins gay too?
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Didn't any of you see the episode. The island won't let him die. He has work to do.
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No wonder posters here get frustrated with you here! The X-mas decorations debate was discussed upthread. Basically, it could be as early as late November when Michael tried to off himself. I have neighbors that put up their X-mas lights the weekend before Thanksgiving. So it gives us a reference time, not an exact time.
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We've known about Mr. Friendly's lifestyle since early season 3! It was not a big reveal, just a little confirmation, that's all.
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No one cares.
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Don't you have some hick basketball game to watch?
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in this thread. Yet, he likes to talk about the latest hick big 10 basketball game.
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That doesn't mean he was outed, just cause he told Kate she wasn't his type. Same with Admiral Cain, there were little clues here and there, but she was never totally outed. You telling me Northstar was outed because he had some mysterious disease in the 80s?
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WALLLT!!
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She is a Law unto herself and roamed the Island eluding capture and even managed to capture BEN FFS. Her backstory involves an entire boatfull of scientific researchers getting stranded on the Island and perhaps getting the "sickness" but ends with Rousseau exterminating them. THAT is a backstory we want to see in full. Not just a quick Eps worth.
She has helped the Losties survive more than once now and has the steel to physically stand up to anyone even Ben if not perhaps to his incredible deviousness. She has achieved her goal of getting her daughter yes, BUT then to just kill her off in seconds in an Ambush ??? Nah!
I'll say it again that's just poor writing and throwing an extremely strong character away who has been featured since Ep 1.
Ana L was hardly a great character, Libby had alot of potential true but their deaths MEANT something. Everything that occured in last nights Ep flowed from that shocking but entirely understandable double killilng that also freed Ben.
In complete contrast. Pow! and Danielle is killed by an unseen sniper with no warning and the motive simply Ben wanting her out of Alex's life ???? Weak.
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Was he playing with Michael, or did he use his clairvoyant powers?
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Can't believe this show is still on. I mean I enjoy the mystery and all that but its starting to go the way Heroes did after they were done with the promos and had to actually put the show on, by that I mean Lame. Maybe it is just because the black dude and Asian chick are the worst actors on the show. I was really glad that Michael was gone... now he's back YEAH more bad acting from that guy. I'd rather just have arabic dude, white Dr. and White girls just trying to get off the island ALA updated Gilligans Island. Now. Seriously these mofo's needed to watch more Man Vs. Wild, they would've been off that island months ago? Right they've only been on the island 6 months? Which is good for Hurley because then he was never expected to lose the weight.
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It's easy, Xiphos, I'll agree. We are rabid fans that sometime ignore reality in complete dedication to our school. I am a realist however and know our deficiencies...but the whole team speed shit is over rated. And I promise you - look at avg O-Line weight in the Big 10 compare to ANY other conference. Big Tem wins it hands down, so your size theory is off. Better overall athletes? Yeah - SCC is tops in the land by far. One more thing, as it was just mentioned, scroll wheel on the mouse works wonders. We want this TB cookin for many weeks and to do so, other topics might pop up. I really look at us as a group of friends who get together fo dinner or over a beer and talk about shit. ALL OF US LOVE LOST! Sp that monopolizes convos. But to branch off into other areas of interest, why not? Bored? Apologies, but scroll down. I love it when we get each other caught up on each others lives and areas of interest. it makes for a tight group. I'm closer to Node and BigE because of our side Convos - same with RB and gotilk, and Xiphos, Brody and Four We Ate.
And one more thing..."FUCK LAMBEAU"? The football gods are sore dispeased my friend. As for Go Bears...we lost Brett Favre, and still have the best QB in the North. How do ya like dem apples? Bears have had 21 QBs start since Favre's 1st start. Probably 21 more through the Rodgers era. Hold on tight, buddy!
So, back to LOST. We see bad guys are coming to take coontrol of the island by force. They apparently want all the survivors dead. Ben is going to find a way to get those O-6 off the island - theories on how he does it? A station that can send you back through the enterence of one of the vile vorticies / I was thinking they'd have to sail away from the island and pass through it. But what if one of the enterence/exits were on the island? You could walk right throught it! It wild speculation -- but I'm sticking to the Vile Vorticies Theory. -
getting a one hour season finale because Grey's Anatomy has to have a 2 hour season finale on the same night? I for one, am pissed, we always get a 2 hour Lost season finale, and they are some of the best things that happen on tv. Anyone else agree?
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haha. If there's no Jack in the episode there really is no reason to post now is there? I have to say I love Sayid but it felt so out of character to turn Michael in like he did, it was the very first time I thought he was an idiot and I still don't agree with his decision and don't think he really would have done that. as for Danielle , she can't be dead right? Because Damon and Carlton said that her flashback could not be done till around the end of the show because it reveals a lot of the story, so how could they kill her if they wee purposely saving her backstory? Alex is the hottest girl on the island, and I will date her someday, and I'm kind of bummed that Carl died, I never like him but in this episode I was warming up to his character what with his hair combed like a little boy haha. The end pissed me off more then made me excited couldn't they have just shown the shooter in the jungle and ended the show on the reveal of the character, that would at least be fair since it doesn't come back for a month. Locke actually wasn't the biggist fool in the world in this ep so I'll acknowledge that. I don't follow Jack blindly either I'll acknowledge his mistakes too, but when you have a character who has a heart made out of gold and cares too much for people while he can't be all that bad now can he. I can debate anyone here when it comes to Jack and come out proving my points if you have questions. All in all It was pretty good, but it needed way more Jack. Team Jack!
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I threw in A TEAM JACK! shout out at the end of the review for my fellow Team Jackers! Truth be told I mostly wrote the review so I could get TEAM JACK! on the top story. haha. jk. Oh and Sky I really do feel bad about ripping you apart all the time but you must admit you bring it on yourself.
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on the Commandos.
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I'll buzz up to chek out you're review. Good to know you are not standing up on a bridge railing.
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Hey, are you a hick basketball fan? Also, I heard you like to talk about your penis a lot.
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...who are taking back the island by force...and out to kill the survivors....so far...haven't KILLED any survivors of Flight 815. The Losties have killed one of theirs (Naomi)...have another held hostage with a fuckin grenade in his mouth...and yet...these bad guys shot two island "natives", in Carl & Danielle. If they are out to kill 815 survivors....why are Des & Sayid still alive?
The shot of Ben noticing Carl's "naughty hand" on Alex's ample, young rump (SHe's 20 in real life people!!) was put there for a reason. Ben wants Alex to have NOTHING to do with her birth Mom...who smacks him in the face everytime he calls Alex "HIS" daughter...and he damn sure doesn't want that idiot Carl knocking his little girl up and giving her a death sentence.
Ben is behind the ambush on Danielle & Carl...not the idiots on the freighter. Them being shown skeet shooting with machine guns last night was a red herring, IMO.
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Damn water bottle.
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We know Hurley is an O-6er and apparrently at this point, turniphead is in the mix. Claire does not make it. I forsee an upcoming scene where Claire gives Aaron to the one man around she trusts...Hurley, and says (in that sexy little aussie accent) Geht Mah bay-bee out ov heea Hugo, GO! GEt to Jack! That gets Hurrley and Aaron in line with Kate Sun ?Jin? and Sayid after some asskickin to get control of a chopper to come get them. Or maybe Frank is the good guy who grabs Sayid and Des, maybe Mike and they leave to try to get as manny as they can from the island. Hell, if they took it over, got it running, they could just ferry them back and forth by choppter to the boat and take the boat home.
My initial point is - to get all the O6 together, I bet Claire gives turniphead ti Hugo to bring to Jack. Claire stays in hiding with locke.
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I feel like since The Constant, a lot has been revealed and the flashforwards have clued us in enough to how it’ll all go down. Here is my theory:
Michael is the one in the coffin. No one’s at his funeral because he’s under the assumed name. We can put that one to bed.
However, why does Jack know his assumed name? Who tells him Michael’s Kevin Johnson? My guess is he witnesses Michael’s death which means the boat ends up getting to the island. This is when everything goes to hell. It’ll be a full out assault to capture Ben. Everyone will be reunited as Jack’s group leads the boaties to Locke’s group. There will be a point where the survivors will be split up into two groups. The Oceanic Six will be in a group where everyone else in the group will die or be killed which will lead them to believe that everyone else has died as well.
Somehow, someway, possibly through the Others’ help, Ben manages to escape the boaties but has to leave the island. Not sure how Desmond fits into this, but I doubt he’ll be killed because Penny knows he’s on her daddy’s boat. Widmore’s people will keep tabs on the Six but so will Ben.
Ben will get every O6 survivor (don’t know about the baby though) to help him return to the island because (big surprise!) he’s got information that the other group of survivors that they thought were dead are actually still alive and well. Sun will go back for Jin because he never died (btw empty gravesite). Kate will go maybe because of Claire and/or Sawyer. Hurley, Jack, and Sayid have already been shown to express feelings of wanting, maybe even needing to go back. They also may have all discovered that they can’t die. Hence, Hurley crashing his car and surviving, suicidal Jack, Sayid surviving a gunshot from an assassin. Crazy, huh? I love Lost.
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It just makes you dumber.
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I've had just about every kind of job you can imagine, from storyboard slave and PA to rudimentary animation, rotoscoping, both digital and hand-drawn, to creative consultant, character design, art director, and plain ol' hired gun for a daily rate. In film, video games, ad campaigns, you name it. I started out in graffiti, of all things, about 15 years ago, but when I started getting too fat to run around on rooftops evading the police I decided it was time to get a job. Instead, I got hundreds of jobs, and I've never looked back. I also do actual 'art', such as it is, and have made an actual living at that now and then, trading on my swiftly fading street cred. These days I'm also getting a little tired of the freelance life and I'm looking for a steady gig, an actual Job job, with benefits and security. My gf and I are planning on getting married and breeding pretty soon, so it's time to start living like a grown up. I know how it can be kind of difficult finding the right gig, but keep at it. If you have any talent at all you'll get something you like, all animation studios really care about is that you show up on time and you don't slack off.
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They make sense, if we assume a thing or two. If Sayid believes Michael, then turning him in to the ship's crew won't end in Michael's death. And it will curry Sayid and Des favor with the crew. It's a brash move, no doubt, but not necessarily a dumb one.
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You're most likely right...but I'm gonna stay out on this ledge a littl while longer.
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Because Michael's alias "Kevin Johnson" was only for the Freighter Mission. It's not his "new identity" at all...His mama can't call him Michael anymore...but she isn't calling him "Kevin" either.
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I also agree with whoever posted that the 06 are rounded up and shuttled off the island intentionally by Ben (we know he can 'keep tabs' on people even if they leave the island), but the one thing I'm still wondering about is Aaron being one of the 6. I know that apparently this argument has been settled somewhere, but I still don't buy it. It's just too juicy an opportunity for the writers to pull a bait-and-switch surprise ending for the finale... thoughts?
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I do, but it's in the process of being completely overhauled, and besides, I rather prefer my AICN secret identity. no offence.
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Michael will die as "Kevin Johnson", won't he? We don't know where they'll stick Michael's body.
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Let me see if I can give it some juice... should go quick with all the seeders, so it is probably your DSL.
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Kate....not Hurley, IMO. I think Jin entrusts Sun's safety to the big guy...which explains why Hugo is Sun's "constant" in the future.
Don't ask me why Claire & Jin weren't able to get out with the O-6 on their own.
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No...Mike doesn't die as Kevin Johnson...He dies in LA...swinging from rafters.
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It's really short. About 2 or so minutes, but contains all the audio highlights of the night's episode, and some interviews with the cast sometimes.
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Eventually that will be true. But Kate is with Jack, Claire, knowing their situation is grave, asks Hugo to "get mah bay bee out of heah! Get to Jack's camp! Find Kate!" And off goes Hurley on a life and death mission for the 2 of them. Maybe the mystery shack makes an appearace and helps out by hiding them (disappearing with them inside), How cool would that be! There sits Christian:"It's not your time yet," Scared and spooked, Hurley and Turniphead make it safely to jack, where the O-6 are now all together. as the chopper brings them all to meet sayid and Desmond. And yes, Ben is with them. They then devise :THE LIE, where 6 survived. Ben and Des will have to take on assumed identities since they were not on the manifest,,,but Mr Widmore has this all planned out.
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Love that guy
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So what's your secret on getting into preview screenings? In the biz? See it at ShoWest? I totally missed your shout out to team Jack when I read the article this morning.
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World's shittiest movie title.
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I'm still expecting at least 3 big surprises.
BTW, I really like the way Sayid handled himself this episode. He's one of my favorites, easy, and even when he's relegated to the background he still easily kicks everyone's ass, like we saw in "The Constant". At first I thought he might have shot himself in the foot when he turned in Michael. Not anymore.
From Sayid's perspective, Michael is a murderer and a traitor, and probably doesn't completely buy the "it's for my son" argument, I think Sayid considers Michael to be a coward and a fool, who's willingly sold his soul to Ben. Sayid doesn't trust the frieghties anymore than he trusts Ben, but I'm sure that from a tactical perspective allying himself with the freighties, at least for the time being, makes a lot of sense. Also, by neutralizing Michael, Sayid is effectively neutralizing Ben, which can only be a good thing. He's a badass! A shitkicker! More Sayid-centric episodes, please.
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Pa, are you referring to the spiders that bit Nikki and Paulo? So that hint of smokie noise that some people heard in Expose was legit after all? What do they mean by Kate's Horse being undead? So many answers last night, so many new questions! Did everybody catch my mention of the 4-toed statue in last week's talkback? It was one of the last posts before this one came up - said the 4 toed statue was put in the show by exiting sesaon 2 writers as a prank on new season 3 writers - didn't really have an explanation behind how it got there. Kind of a "figure this one out on your own" thing.
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When is that going to be revisited?
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it says p.s. Team Jack! off to work guys ill be reading on my phone
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Bring back that stick beating bastard.
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He was part of the science team but no sign of him on the boat...wtf? Where was he during Michael's flashback?
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probably.
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Oh well, I've been wrong before on this show. It's still kinda dopey IMO. So anyway, Michael can't die... I believe I would have had alot more fun if I were him once I found this out. The phrase "watch this shit.." would be used many times...
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We had some people arrogantly argue that the O6 were a lock - Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, and JIN. (not referring to you, pa - but there were a few!) Other posters would come on here and speculate the identity of the O6, and they would get shot down like they were idiots, when it fact those doing the shooting down were wrong! Glad to see not all spoilers are true! Happy that Claire didn't meet her fate the way some posters suggested earlier this season.
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Jack is a sissy, and Sawyer is a flip flopper.
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If Walt is alive and living with his Grandma off the island, then how is he appearing to Locke? I kinda figured he was dead since it seems like only dead people have showed up as ghosts on the island (Boone, Christian, Charlie, Libby.) Thoughts anyone?
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If it's her dad's boat & she doesn't know about it, will there be another Star Wars reference? Maybe Desmond & Penny are brother & sister???
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Are they just hallucinations or something more?
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Was that Walt's grandma? Was that Walt's room? I don't have that episode to refer to right now.
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Desmond saw her get on the chopper in a vision. It was suggested that 2 bodies came back with the 6. So it's a good bet Claire won't make the next season. Why else would she give up Aaron? Personally, I'm hoping for a return of Goth Claire.. but that's just me...
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That someone is operating that sends out ghost visions to people that are about to do weird things?
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What a dumb ass comment.
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isn't necisarily dead either my friends. and last i checked he's pretty bad ass with a rifle. (remember when they found his station?) Theory: Patchy is the shooter, and he shot on Ben's orders. He's going to use Alex to lead him to Ben's camp, rescue Ben and hide. At least that'll be his plans. ALSO, its my theory that at the end of this season or sometime next season the "other others" wont be a threat, and the focus will shift to the dharma initiative, alvar hanso and the REAL bad guy: Ben Linus.
ALEX:"Are these people more evil than you are?"
BEN:(almost grudgingly)"Yes.....(unless you count killing your mother and boyfriend for my personal gain evil...than NO)"
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Only an answer-whiner or someone parodying answer-whiners could possibly say that "Meet Kevin Johnson" wasn't answerific. Even if they didn't answer all of your specific questions. It was like someone opened a magic box and answers just fell out.Still, what if you could go back in time and address the previous AICN talk-backs and give the answer-whiners the answers they were whining about. Wouldn't that be fun?1.) Q. Is Lost "Gilligan as a drama." a Fictional "Survivor" or "King Kong with giant polar bears?" A. No. 2.) Q. What is the monster? A. Oh boy, you're not going to believe this, but it's an amorpheous black cloud technologically engineered to be a security system capable of reading minds, appearing as people or animals in peoples thoughts and physically lifting a man and slapping him on the ground and against a tree like a rag doll, but unable to cross an electo-magnetic fence. Q. No, seriously...3.) Q.) What's with the numbers? A. Uh, serial numbers on a hatch to an underground bunker installed by a research team known as the Dharma Initiative that were contained in the distress call Danielle Roussou, a crazy French woman, sent out on a continous signal. This message was monitored by a man who later was committed to a mental institute where he continually repeated them. They were memorized by Hugo Reyes who won the lottery playing them but subsequently had a run of misfortunes convincing him the numbers were jinxed. The numbers also have to be input into a computer located in the underground Dharma outpost every 108 minutes to prevent the Island's magnetic field from going out of wack and turning the sky purple. Other instances of the numbers, such as hotel room numbers or their appearance on the backs of a row of cheerleaders are just the writer messin' witcha.4.) Q. Uhh, all right. Who's Hugo Reyes? A. Hurley. And no they never specify how he got the nickname, but he probably just threw up at a party or something, I mean, how else?5.) Q. Why doesn't Hurley lose any weight? A. They're only on the island for 100 days. A 350 pound man doesn't lose that much weight in three months. As anyone who's been on a weight loss diet can tell you, fat cells can shrink but not be destroyed. Neck fat and visceral belly fat is the hardest to lose. All pork including wild boar is high in fat. And the Dharma Initiative company, thinking their people are still alive, continue to parachute in a steady supply of rations.6.) Q. The writers are just making this stuff up, right? A. yes, that's how fiction is created, people called writers make things up. Q. I meant, they're making it up as they go along, right? A. No. JJ Abrams and a team of writers locked themselves in an office for a year living on ramen noodles and tap water, writing seven years worth of complete scripts "on spec". I'm being sarcastic. of course they make it up as they go along. How would you do it?7.) Q. Was Season Two a complete waste of time? A. Uh, no. there were some very entertaining episodes that year. However, it's true that most of that season focused on The Tailies and The Others. The Children and the Tailies who were taken by The Others have never been seen again and only infrequently refered to. Most of the key Tailies - Ana Lucia, Libby, Mr. Eko, wind up dying and rarely being referred to again. Many of The Others introduced that year also die and are infrequently mentioned again - although anyone can show up in a flashback at any time. In effect all of season two just existed to reunite Rose and her husband Bernard and justify her blind faith that he was still alive. 8.) Q. Are there "filler" episodes? A. Well, even the episodes without major revelations affecting the shows mysteries or overall forward momentum were usually entertaining. But, yes, in the 2nd and 3rd seasons some episodes were place savers or simply tread water. The nature of a long form dramatic television series is that you have a beginning and an end and you have to save the big finish for the conclusion of the series. If you don't know when that will be or how long the series will last, then you have to "fill" the middle of the series run. If that's what you mean by filler. Once the production company and the broadcast network reach an agreement to give the series a definite commitment of a specific number of episodes and a specific end date, then the writer can focus on telling the story and pacing it so it reaches a proper conclusion. 9.) Q. Back to basics, the premise of the series was originally that there were 48 survivors of the plane crach. So far we've only met about half of those characters? When will we meet the rest of the original Flight 815 survivors instead of all this stuff with Tailies, others, Dharma Initiative workers, Freighter sailors and people who just drop in on racing skiffs, parachutes and submarines? A. Probably never. The writers address that question in season three by introducing Dr. Arzt, Nikki and Paulo. Fans of the show who seem to only want to see stories about Jack, Kate and Sawyer complained so vociferously that those characters were quickly killed off and forgotten.10.) Q. One last question. Do they ever stop with the flashbacks and just get on with telling the story of what happens on the island? A. Sigh. Over the course of the series you'll be amazed by how much happens on the island. But, seriously, if you didn't realize during the shows first month that it's a character driven anthology series and that the survivors back stories are what the show is all about, you really should have stopped watching then.
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Yes - our friendly edshrinker can help you find episodes online. Come back, he'll tell you how, or scroll upthread, I think he listed the bittorrent place you can find it.
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At least not that we've seen. The house he visited in ep 4.02 was in California, but Michael's mom has Walt in NYC.
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Mar 21, 2008 9:05:17 PM CDT
well I think this episode tells us what makes sayid work for ben
by thareign23
I believe the quote in the economist was "remember the last time you thought with your heart and not your gun ,people died " and he joined up with ben to protect the others.
Sayid thought with his heart and ratted out bens spy and the fact that hes alive. Resulting in full out war on the islanders that only 6 escape -
In an upcoming episode Sayid attends Nadia's funeral. And Ben is in the same episode.
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Poor Carl, but he at least got to nail sweet little Alex for a while. Love her eyes and lips and this coming from a guy that is rarely interested in Non-Asian girls.
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Sniff. Those island bastards.
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Pretty great for reviewing.
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Am very late to this party, but I was trying to work out the timeframe of Michael's flashback.
Given that he left the island after 2 months, and he joined the freighter crew at least a few days before they were close to the island, he surely couldnt have been in NY for longer than 3 weeks. The timing all seems way too tight, car accident then hospital and some recovery, before meeting up with Tom. -
Michael already knew Walt was gonna go to his Grandma because his Mike called the Grandma before he went on the plane.
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As many have commented I think he was a bit too quick to bring Michael to Captain Mole. I thought he was a strategic guy and would have played off this knowledge a bit longer. One can only assume, hope that he has a plan.
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For a guy who says he done torturing people, he sure likes to turn that switch on and off.
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My money is on the Others, basically only Alex is allowed in the Temple per Ben's comments on Locke etc not being allowed there.
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Will we get to see this Temple before season 4 is over ?
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This episode had no Jack or Kate, not a lot of Sawyer or Locke and can't say I really care. This show more and more is becoming about Ben, he is the man!!!
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Ben said that he wasn't going to kill everyone. Are the commandos working for Ben?
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I thought this show was now back in the top 10-20 in ratings. Any idea why they're changing its time again?
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I must have been fooled, Sayid has proven to one of the smartest characters on the show, Sayid must be pulling a trick on the captain to gain trust and make it look like he betrayed Michael, or I really really hope so.
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As bigE mentioned, your friendly neighbor edshrinker has digitally captured, edited, and reformatted to avi. this weeks Episode Meet Kevin Johnson. You need BitTorrent technology to d/l. AAre torrents a goog way to download EVERYTHING from movies to music, applications/games, comic books. and more?? THE BEST in my opinion. Ask TM, 4we8, BigE, SuperNitendo, Ender, and others. There are ample seeders now for this file, so it shoud download fast:
http://tinyurl.com/2fsugk
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getting precedence
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I take it the d/l sped up and you have completed your file, yes?
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there has so got to be some kind of stargate at The Temple.
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I agree - the shocktroops are Widmores. He is taking this fucking island. If he is indeed responsible for the fake 815 in the Sundra trench, then he would want NO ONE left from 815 alive on that island. That means Ben and the Others will become allies to the 815ers, use their technology which is what they have used to move around the world via vile verticies (-ie. Richard to Miami, Ben everywhere, Tom to N.Y.). Ben will now lead a small group of them off the island using the technology in the Temple. Maybe only a few make it before the commandos destroy it...not sure how this is unwinding. But it IS unwinding and it is clear to me that while Ben is a bit twisted, he is really "a good guy" and Widmore is THE BIG BAD. Of that I have no doubt.
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Wasn't there something in the papers a few years ago about online file sharing being illegal when dealing with copyrighted material?Not being judgemental here, more like old stoners paranoia, but even with aliases, should you really be discussing doing crimes in a public forum?
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an episode. 8 bucks for the whole set. That's pretty cheap.
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Wow, really? avi. is known for being the most commonly used video formats. Woeks great on windows media player and every other of my video players. Very odd indeed. What format do you need? I have several converters - I can canvert the avi into something else, torrent it, put it on the Pirate Bay and have it ready for d/l before you crash tonight. What do youneed? wmv? mpeg? mp4?
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It's a crime if I attempt to SELL these files or have a pay site for you to download it. Free file sharing CAN be prosecuted but isn't - and the only one they wouold go after is me since I am the one who took the material and set it up for distribution.
Networks know downloading and filesharing is a reality so they ofer alternatives. They also know if they crack down on filesharing they will lose big chunks of their auduience so they stay out of it. I've never heard anyone get nailed for TV shows. Movies and Music, Yes. I'm slightly concerned about the NFL as I put up Packer games and they can be a stingy bunch. But nothing so far. -
...still makes no sense to me. "Meredith's Anatomy" originally debuted in the ten o'clock time slot. "Lost" originally debuted in an eight o'clock time slot. You put the adult shows on lster and the children's shows on earlier. Everybody knows that. It's the law, according to the FCC.Of course if only the Oceanic Six survive out of the original 48 Flight 815 survivors, there's probably going to be a fucking lot of violence and death coming. But in terms of the TV ratings system, since when does bloodshed and betrayal trump Katherine Heigl and Sandra Oh in a shower together? (Admittedly that was only that one episode - but it did get an Emmy nomination and I like to think that scene had something to do with it.)
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Maybe, i really have no idea. I thought Grey's was a Sunday show? Only time i usually watch ABC is for Lost so have no idea what the other schedules are. just seems like a poor move, They finally get their momentum going again and they switch it around again, Doesn't affect me, just found it odd.
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Stay far and clear - $8 for shite quality. Do what you want Paul, I'm here to help if you need me to put up another version.
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How long would you have had to wait for regular braodcast?
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D/L Both of them. The avi. file should move fast, see if it works, then you can cancell the mp4 d/l if you don't need it. If it doesn'twork with avi it is because you don't have the proper codecs loaded.; They are easy to find on TPB - I'll find them and shoot you the link. Anyway - converting to mp4 now. Kook for it under edshrinker in about 30 minutes.
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It's a lot better quality than some guy who burned a DVDR and put it on the net.
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Since your credibility is at such an all time high, I humbly bow my knee to you in this time we have crossed paths with difference of opinion. Or I could just dick smack you and tell you to stop dipping into other people's shit. Especially when you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. Why do I know this? You would WASTE $8 on something you can get free and better quality. You could go get a little humm job for that $8 Sky - use your money wisely!
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http://tinyurl.com/ypvug8
That link takes you to TPB page where my torrent, thr mp4 for LOST is ripe amd ready for d/l. I am cranking up my u/l parameters (PC HollersNO) while I crash. Should help move things along.
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I cut and pasted from the other site - ignore the part where it says it is an avi. It is a mp4. Look at the titlehead at the top.
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I am fascinated with his character and am curious how exactly Miles' "powers" work. He didn't seemed bothered by the secrets everyone has on the freighter. We have also been shown how he is pretty unscrupulous and only cares about money. My thought on the 3.2 million is that he really does want that money, but the denomination is relevant because that is exactly how much Ben spent to stage the fake Oceanic 815, bodies and all.
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Coast to Coast AM (Art B Ell's old show) has John Titor and Timetravel as the topic/host tonight. Insomniac radio at its finest. If you can't sleep, about 1am on the east coast his show starts (host is George Noory). Worth a listen if you can't sleep. Back in Cali, its just starting at what, 9am? Anywhoo - love the time travel eps they do...maybe we'll get some LOST topics slid in!?!?!
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a bird chirping? An owl hoots, A tubleweed goes rolling by. "Sorry Son - gonna hafta shuter down early tonight.
There is a storm brewin! And it's headed right for us!
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Yes, Lost is doing well in the ratings. BUT Grey's does better, especially in the key 18-34 demo, which advertisers love, which = $$$$ for ABC and affiliates. So Lost, while also getting great ratings, moves to Post-Grey's timeslot, ABC hopes to create some crossover audience with Grey's and boost lost even further. So basically in May ratings book, anything that airs in that 2 hour window on Thursdays is pretty much dead.
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Its just a flesh wound! I'm feeling better!!!
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That was last night, and it was interesting. Noory is a bit of a bore to me though. He always asks such "gosh golly gee wiz" questions of his guests, even when they're real scientists. Someone actually called in and asked the guest if he'd ever watched Lost and he said something like he's "not qualified to answer questions about it" but that he'd be happy to try. So what does Noory ask the guy instead of letting his talk about Lost? Something about Titor's kids or something.
Anyway. They may repeat it this evening? But it was on last night, unless I time traveled. If anyone is unfamiliar with the John Titor story, he's a former IBM beard who made it all up. He even shares the odd political bent of most beards. A sort of "embrace technology but get back to the land-hands off state's rights-libertarian-patriotic-constitutional expert in his own mind-religious but hates churches" kind of way. As much as I feel the same way about many of those things, I have to say that a lot of the old Unix beards have a very unique way of looking at the world. Gotta admire the guys. But this Titor guy really fits the profile, even so far as to include some IBM insider information that he probably knew about when he worked for them. Here's some info on Titor's time travel story:
http://tinyurl.com/47vvg
I've always found it fascinating, but his story is kind of weak and his future is a bit bleak. I'm sure a lot of C2C listeners love/hate him. The predictions he did get close to right are just that, close and things any one of us either DID or could have predicted.
Things like "people will be making their own video entertainment and sharing it online".
ORLY??
I made that prediction back when I was still on a BBS, from a 9600 baud modem.(that probably cost me 500 bucks at the time) Most of the people who think this prediction is "gosh, wow, amazing" are people who discovered the Internets in 1998 or even later.
Like much of what's on C2C, the story is complete BS. But it can be REALLY entertaining BS, sometimes. I certainly miss Art Bell. His enthusiasm seemed genuine. Noory seems like he has career enthusiasm, or just enthusiasm for radio. And that's fine, but I just find it much less entertaining. -
WHAT A FUCKING MORON YOU ARE YOU FUCKING CUNT. I WOULD WISH CANCER OF THE PRICK ON YOU BUT SINCE YOU ARE A FUCKING BALL LESS WONDER WITHOUT ONE IT WOULDN'T WORK YOU SHIT EATING FAGGOT. HEY SHIT EATER, WHY DO YOU POST YOUR FUCKING DRIVEL IN EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TALKBACK? IS IT BECAUSE YOUR A FUCKING 700 POUND SHUT IN OR IS IT YOU LIKE TO GET FUCKED BY HORSES? CUNT FUCKING DIE DIE DIE DIE
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Seriously, can this thread stay on topic for at least two posts?
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THE TOPIC IS YOU FAGGOT AND WHAT A COCKSUCKING PIECE OF SHIT YOU ARE YOU BLOODY HATCHET WOUND. THE NEXT POST YOU MAKE THAT IS INSIGHTFUL, INTERESTING, INFORMATIVE OR RELEVENT WILL BE THE FIRST CUNT. TO BAD THE CUNT THAT SHIT YOU OUT OF HER ASS DIDN'T WIPE FIRST.
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Mommy's gonna be mad that you're talking to strangers on the net.
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YOU ARE TRYING TO CONVIENCE SOMEONE THAT YOU ARE MORE THE 15!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA. THATS RICH YOU FUCKING BOTTOM DWELLER. YOU POST THE MOST I'VE EVER SEEN YOUR IN EVERY FUCKING TB SPOUTING YOUR SHIT 15 DIFFERENT POST, DO YOU HAVE DIARY OF THE MOUTH CUNT. I SEE WHERE YOU CLAIM TO BE UNEMPLOYED. THAT FIGURES, IF YOU WERE MORE THEN 15 AND WEREN'T LOVING COCK YOU CUNT. HERE'S THE DEAL BITCHBOY, WHEN YOU'RE SNEAKING LOOKS AT OTHERS DUDES JUNK WHEN YOU'RE SHOWERING WITH THEM AFTER GYM THAT MEANS YOU'RE QUEER. COCKSMOKER.
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I JUST PUNCHED YOUR MOM IN THE HEAD AFTER ASSFUCKING HER FOR $5.00.
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HERE'S A DOLLAR, STOP JACKING OFF SO MUCH. CUNT
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YOU ARE A MISERABLE FAILURE AS A HUMAN BEING. I WISH NOTHING GOOD ON YOU I HOPE YOU DIE FROM SYPHILIS YOU GOT FROM YOUR DADDY ASSFUCKING YOU REGULARY YOU MONGLOID FUCKTARD. INBREEDING ISN'T GOOD YOU'RE THE RESULT.
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FUCKTARD. MONGOLOID. CUNT. DOUCHBAG. SHITSTAIN. FAGGOT. LOSER.
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Greasemonkey. One script, and plonk to anyone you want.
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His idiotic comments are always entertaining, he is like the Kim Jong Il of the Lost TB.
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Could you have coped with this being the last episode of season 4, if the strike had kept going ?
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I honestly think the guys not right in the head, thats why I know I'm refrain from being an ass to him,He's universally hated among all of us and he has to know it by now, He's the biggest ass I have ever seen in the Lost Talkback but the kid ain't ok , must have a few screws lose, so just lay off and ignore him.
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Sorry my comment started all that.
gotilk, every word you typed it was like it was sucked directly from my mellon. Right through missing Art Bell. I remember listening to Dreamland ALL night on Saturday's. It would come on around bar time and I 'd a;ready be drunk, grab another beer and listen to stories (ahem, Hoegland) I KNEW were BS but were still so engaging and interesting. I still check out Hoegland's website time to time (enterprisemission.com).
Right - that was the night's before program. I have streamlink and I saw it listed...I was a day behind. For $6/mo I can listen to any of the shows, anytime, boot them down to my mp3 player, commercial free. I get my $6 worth...good jogging distraction, long drives, etc...
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I seriously doubt it's gonna be freighties
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to listen to and passes out before he even came on. The beauty of Streamlink. I'll just start it over.
Skywalker is a freak of nature, HAS to be unemployed - as I said up a scroll or 2, I just checked out other topics and look to the TBs and there he is...as prominant as he is here. It's full time work to post that much and I'm quite sure this isn't the only site he posts on.
Do you need a job. buddy? Maybe some data entry...keep you on a computer? I know people. Don't live off our tax money forever brother...although I can't believe we're supplying you with a PC and high speed internet. Unless mom and dad are kicking in. I'm with BrightEyes on this - it's not like we've been SUBTLE. Yet here he is, like a small child trying to keep hugging his abusive mother while she pushes him away, calls him assfuck and loser, and I should have never spat you out my cunt, etc... Yet back he comes, arms outstreched..."Mommy!"
This is sad and tragic. Poor little shaver. Maybe Ender will adopt him.
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Why not? I htink the shocktroops that were training on board in Michael's FB landed 32 hours after Miles gave Ben the "demand" for 3.2 million. They've probably been on land for a couple of hours moving toward the barracks.
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Do you have a working file yet? Can I ease off the gas pedal so my 'puter can rest? I've had max u/l parameters all night and would like to have my processing speed back. Let me know when you have what you need, ok buddy?
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when the writers knew they were about to go on strike....that was awful...awful and boring...and stooopid...but alex is hot....now find me some nude pics of her
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seems I am not the only one checkin out the young lady playing Alex on the show - and what do I find? - besides a cutsey picture on the "pedia" - its her birthday today. 20 years today.
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Best scene of the show. This one is as good as "The Constant." Now we know where the stand-in dead bodies came from. Michael being indestructable was a wild twist. Sad to see him and Walt not talking. Mr. Friendly really is friendly if you're his type. Rousseau going down sucked, Karl not so much. I wanted him dead too when he had his hand on Alex's ass. I feel you on that Ben. Sayid, oh Sayid why, why, why? Oh yeah my favorite line "Shootin' stuff, what's it look like we're doin'?"
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I think Sayid might have just been a little over dramatic when he said Nadia was dead, like playing over his guilt that Nadia had to fend for herself in escaping the Iraqi prison. He was told by the government agents in Australia that she was alive right before he got on Oceanic 815.
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You know Lost's brilliant conceit of naming it's key characters after famous philosophers.To the best of my knowledge the shows creators have never denied that that idea was totally stolen from "Calvin and Hobbes".
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The guy who said he thought Locke was just about to get Ben to give some straight answers when the show veered off into the Michael plotline. It was a Michael flashback episode. It featured the return of a character long MIA. The episode offered plenty of very specific answers; Widmore planted the plane. Aaron is one of The Six. Who dies? (By the way, to the Danielle's not dead or dying camp: the episode was advertised as featuring a character death. If it was Karl, a relatively minor character, then "what a rip-off".) Finally, anyone who actually believes that Ben will ever give Locke or anyone else totally honest explanations for anything is totally flying out of their snoots. And, no, that's not an old timey expression and yes it doesn't make any sense. Neither does expecting straight answers from Ben.
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"File-sharing isn't a crime. though it is something I could be prosecuted for."In this country, if they can prosecute you, it's either a crime or an act of terrorism. And I wouldn't go that far. To be fair, I guess I don't see a huge difference between taping a show for personal use and posting it to the Internet for the personal use of hundreds of strangers.I'm sure having your product given away for free is great publicity. though if people can get what you're selling for free, why publicize? Still, the right to have your creativity distributed freely without being paid for it was what the writers strike was all about, right? Or did I get that backwards?
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"TomBodet's Z's"Once again the ever inventive TB - is it any coincidence his initials are the same as TalkBacker? - simultaneously quotes the comic strip sound effect for snoring with it's implications of boredom while repeatedly quoting the title of an award winning Greek political thriller that was considered Important Cinema in its time without anyone actually enjoying it. By doing this - repeatdly - he conveys a deep sense of contempt and ennui for those efforts at entertainment that fail to escape his disparagement. With the steady predictable repititon of one single letter - and always the same letter - he conveys so much feeling in a post devoid of content.Why, TomBodet, YYYYYYYYYY?
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Luke was a dirt poor farm boy proud of his womp rat shooting prowess who saved the universe while proving to be the undoing of his own father, the most hated and feared man in the Empire. Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru died screaming, leaving charred and smoldering remains like so much overcooked pork roast. And his sister was pretty much a bitch who lost her looks as she got older.I can see why they'd be role models.
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If you really enjoy watching tall men in knee socks and satin shorts playing with their balls, the NCAA is on CBS and NBA is on the CW tonight.
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If the flash-forwards are in the future...Where are their flying cars?
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Looks like you got a lot off your chest.
My quote was - since it is listed as your favorite, you ought to correctly quote it, don't ya think, "Free file sharing CAN be prosecuted but isn't" - and the reason why has two points, one you mentioned:
It is no different than taping free TV on a vcr and letting someone have the tape.
2. It is FREE TV. I'm not distributing copies of a movie or a rental from blockbuster, I only share stuff that is otherwise free.
3. There has been been some movement (ABC streaming their shows the next day) to try to hold ownership of how stuff gets distributed on the internet. You can be prosecuted for ANYTHING in this country if they can bend laws enough to make it fit. In the end, when they have tried, sharing free TV is not something they have been successful winning.
If I started charging for a site to download or downloads themselves - ABC lawyers would be on me like a pack of wolves. I don't - I share to help LOST fans enjoy the show as soon as they can and I ask nothing in return. I'm not a target, nor is anyone D/L ing a target.
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99% of what you wrote was NOT shit, it was insightful and entertaining. You always have solid posts, Napoleon, that's why that one little tidbit suprised me.
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I would imagine we'd at least see a plane lifting off over Jack's head... rather than TAKING off.
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Insults flying left and right,a little Lost here and there and a MAJOR amount of "love" for skywalkerfamily.Lost TB's are funky!The DTV loves ya all!
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you're the last person here I'd want to argue with. I'm not crusading to eliminate filesharing or scare people out of doing it. Like I said, as a former stoner I have residual paranoia about people discussing doing crimes in a public forum - like those kids you read about who post pictures of stuff they stole or films of beatings they've administered to youtube or their myspace page.But "FREE TV" has never been free. Broadcast Tv captured on an antenna is still paid for by making you watch nearly twenty minutes of advertising per hour of program. Cable and stuff like HBO costs money. Not free.And I suspect there are a few writers, artists, cartoonists, musicians, poets, etc. here who have an adverse opinion of freely sharing the products of a creators talents when it's something they would otherwise be paid for. Thanx to the strike results and the new contracts, sell a DVD of Lost, the writers get paid. Legally post a streaming video online of sell it on iTunes, the writers get paid. Fileshare an episode and it's possible that not all of the people who download it sent a residual fee to the writers.Filesharing copyrighted material isn't "sticking it to the man", it's "sticking it to the creators". But you keep doing what you do for your hundreds or thousands of friends you share with and I'll keep talking 1% shite.
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First thought is I'm never going out on a Thursday night again if there is a new episode of Lost on.
I’m here to die. That should have been Herc’s title for this talkback.
In the scene where Sawyer runs to catch John and Miles to say the thing about 3 million, I think Miles knew how to get Sawyer. Probably that creepy side of him, but when explaining Ben would get the money he said Ben wants to survive. Sawyer told Kate when he went with Locke he was doing what he always did...surviving.
If the temple is that last safe place on the island as Ben told Alex it was when he gave her the map, why were they ambushed when they were nearing there? Doesn’t seem that safe an area. Ben also says if they knew Alex was his daughter, they’d use her to get to him. Think she was thinking that at the end?
“You can’t kill yourself...the island won’t let you!” So when the island “brings you there” it expects redemption. If you come to or near the island without its invitation it makes you go crazy/nuts/confused. If you leave without its blessing (remember, Ben didn’t agree with the decision to let them go) it will torment you, hurt you or allow you to hurt yourself, but it will not let you die. Until your work is done? Until you come back? Is that why Michael said he came to die? Because this was the only place he could? Because he has to complete his tasks before he’ll be allowed to die?
So the protectors on the island...are they guarding it from us or us from it?
And another thing about the island. It would seem that after you’ve been there the island is always with you. That would explain Hurley seeing Charlie, Michael seeing Libby, etc. A few religious undertones there, don’t you think?
When Tom asked Michael if the bullet bounced off his skull or did the gun jam, I think he wanted to find out the answer to that.
Tom also said they had reason to believe Widmore had found the coordinates of the island. He purchased the Black Rock journal years ago, so why does he now know where the island is? The hatch implosion?
“Your name isn’t Kevin.” I guess you don’t have to be dead for Miles to be psychic.
If Libby was the islands manifestation for it to communicate with Michael, and since Libby told Michael not to blow up the ship, it would seem the island and Ben are not on the same page.
In case anyone was wondering, the flashback was 45 minutes long.
Sayid and Michael. I’ve always thought Sayid to have sound judgment...well, most of the time. But turning Michael over doesn’t seem to be that sound. My thought is something will happen to Michael...death probably...and it’ll be horrific at the hands of Widmore, and that will be the reason Sayid goes to work for Ben.
Karl was shot through the heart (I think). Danielle was not. The bullet pierced her lower and to the right. So I do not think she is dead. But she may be dying. I said it in a previous post, but it bears repeating. Next episode could be Danielle’s flashback as she lies on her deathbed.
And I really think Alex gave up Ben to save herself at the end.
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I have Season 4 Eps all wrapped up in a nice little 3GB file if you want it?
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Which episode would have been a better season cliffhanger if the show wasn't coming back in a month? I'd say that 7, showing the return of the long Lost Michael, one of the orignal 815 survivors, alomng with the revelation that Jin will die, would trump 8 with the controversial apparent death of Danielle, a semi-important character, and Karl, a semi unimportant character. As episodes I think the revelation of what Michael's doing on the freighter, the confirmation that Aaron is "one of the six," the statement that Widmore planted the plane, etc. are all of key importance - as was the revelation that Sun will get off the island and have a healthy baby. but strictly from the cliffhanger point of view, I'd say episode seven would have been the one to leave us with for half a year. Glad they didn't, though.
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That is all.
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Are they now saying the Campaign for Sactown episode will be pushed back to further seasons?
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No just kidding,thanks for the offer,but like I said,I could download it via my usenet group but I wanna see it without a break.I think my cable network has it already and was ready to go ,but they are holding it back now because they know the season will be finished.So I just have to be patient a little longer.But thanks again edshrinker.
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I think Darlton wanted Ep 7 to be the "cliffhanger" into the hiatus, but because of Grey's Lobotomy, they wanted the scheduling to work out just right for THAT show, not what would be in LOST's best interest. So they went 1 more week into Ep8.
Sour Grapes? Yeah, I guess. It's tough when you love a show this much and TPTB bitch slap it around with swill like Grey's "insert joke here". Eppy 7 would have been the perfect stop point and we'd get the final 6 (numbers anyone) that would just steamroll to the end...especially now that we know that Widmore's shocktroops have lannded (or do we?) My bet is YES - Widdy is the Big Bad. -
I admire your patience. Wouldn't it be great to be just sleep until 2010, wake up get the hololazerchip of LOST Seasons 1-6 ans just go...from start to finish.
At least you'll get this season in that fashion, Travis.
Have a buddy that JUST NOW got into Farscape - got seasons 1-4 and THe PeaceKeeper Wars. No having to wait years after D'Argo's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" to see what happened. I was emotionally scarred from that scream, It was the ANTI- Vader in ROTS "Nooooooo". This was REAL from the fuckin loins scream I'll never forget.
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in this half of a season all tied up nice and neat in a little 3GB file, I present you with
http://tinyurl.com/yukrr6
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After 9pm Eastern Time. Can you stay sober long enough to see tip off? We are at 4:20. Just long enough to take the dog to the park, grab a 6-pack of Icehouse and ready myself for the move to the Sweet 16 God willing.
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the winners of each are sure to be curshed by their next opponents :\ go Pitt!
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I thank you for putting together the half season bundle. Do you have any advice as to how to open it on a Mac? U Torrent does not seem to work for me.
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have a one month formal hiatus with an announced return date than go back to the season two system of just prempting or postponing the show randomly for weeks at a time. That sucked.If "24' can take a year and a half off and no one ever knows for sure when the stuff on HBO is coming back, a four week gap due to a writers strike is nothing.I was just saying that if it HAD been a season ender, "Michael on the boat with an assumed name" seemed like a stronger cliff than "Danielle might be dead".Ed, as someone above said, "Gracias Autonomy" gets bigger ratings than "Lost" and double featuring them IS doing "Lost" a favor by providing it with a strong lead in, not, as you say, "b*tch slapping it" around. And for reasons I've already stated here, I think there are strong reasons why they should be switched with the evening soap opera in the adult time slot and the fantasy show airing earlier. It's a strong double feature either way, but I still don't think I'll be adding "Miss Guided" to my "must see" list.And doing a block of six would have connected with the Numbers, but I think they gave up on that when they decided not to end the series with episode 108.
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All you need is a Bit Torrent client compatible for MAC. There are a ton of them, and once you get on (ask Four We Ate) you will be a busy busy boy. Try this app - it looks good to me, everything you'll need. Once it is installed, go back up to the link above I left and start your download!
http://tinyurl.com/2geg8r
It's called CLUTCH and it seems like a good program.
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Grey's appendectomy is a strong link for LOST, my gripe aseems to be your grip...why not give the scifi fantasy the 9pm slot and the adult themed soap the 10pm? They do it because they know it helps Grey's and don't CARE if it hurts Lost. ANd that chapps my ass.
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Go with Transmission FIRST. You may NOT need the cluych application. I think that is just an add on. Here is the page where you can get Transmission, which will allow you to d/l through bittorrent
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I'll look into this. You're the TB MVP
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Good luck to your badgers. It'll be a long day waiting for my Spartans to disarm Pitt. (Say that quickly!) But dude, I've got four kids, eggs to boil, and Easter baskets to hide. So there's no time to celebrate! Back to Lost - there's some awful movie on TV right now starring Jeff Fahey - True Blood, I believe. The dude sure looks different as a young man with no beard! I like the Frank Lapidus look better, I think.
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Did you get your Mp4 file? I did that just for you - so I'll yank it down if you are through with it.
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Lawnmower Man - the dude, voice and everything, is just nothing like his Frank LapDance roll. I LOVE him in this roll and I hope ge pecomes a regular. He'll be the one (airline pilot lest us forget) that get's the O-6 Baaaaaaack!
DO YOU THINK my friend BigE, focusing that Big10 education into a fine lazer-like focus, BIG POINT HERE!!:
When Jack says he wants to go Baaaaack, I BELIEVE he is referring to the island, yes. But even MORE IMPORTANTLY, he now knows there is technology that could allow him and others to go Baaaaaaack...'dum, dum dum!' TIME.
He wants to travel the wormhole through the Vile Verticies, using the calculated EXACT coordinates that will allow him and the rescue gang in a place and time that will allow him to gets them ALL out of the Barracks before they are all massacred. Jack and his cohorts must also avoid THEMSELVES in that timeline or risk VERY BAD THI NGS (Bunny #8, Poor fella).
I think at the end of the get-away, we'll get an awesome shot of Ben seeing Jack - staring at Jack. Jack holds a hand up, "Don't, my friend. But get everyone to the Temple. 'he looks at Ben' He'll tell you whaat to do next to survive.
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Pushed back until after the zombie season.
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I'm not the only one.
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All with your typical douche bag comments.
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They said getting on and off the island could be like getting out of space orbit and back into the atmosphere. Come in too steep and you burn up. Come in too shallow and you bounce off.
They also talked about the illness, and jokingly said that sounded similiar to the word sickness.
Miles when the grenade was removed is considered "un-Locke Jawed" That's funny.
Charlotte is a "cultural anthropologists"...as in they study ancient cultures/civilizations.
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dook ain't winning now. hope you're feeling better
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Maybe Ben sends a few back to screw with Widmore and the oceanic coverup, big waste f money for him...however how he picks is 6 is a fucking mind bender to me
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FUCKING RETARTDED LOSER. GO KILL YOURSELF YOU WORTHLESS FUCKING SHITBAG CUNT LOSER. YOUR A WORTHLESS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT WITH NO REDEEMIMING QUALITIES. YOU STINK OF ONIONS AND SMELL OF FAILURE. THE SHITTY FUCKING ROOM YOU LIVE IN SMELLS LIKE FEET FAILURE FLOPSWEAT AND DICKCHEESE BLOODY CUNT. I HOPE YOU GET GANGRAPED BY RABID GOATS. WAIT I TAKE THAT BACK YOU WOULD ENJOY THAT. I HOPE YOU GET GANGRAPED BY TOOTHLESS LESBIANS WITH GENITAL WARTS. LOSER
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just like Jacob....its calling fo rhelp but the others are trying to keep it for themselves....remember good and evil is only judged by which side u are on...Im sure Ben could argue all his actions were for teh greater good,, and maybe Charlie Widmore can do the same
but i'd love to see Charlie setting foot on teh Island, after years of searching, with a huge tema behind him and then getting a visit from Ben on the beach...Ben walks up to him extends a hand and Charlie shoots him in the chest,
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Ha - finally got to do that!
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But I'll bet it doesn't end that way! I'm not liking the whole "plane crash happens again, they relive the whole thing" scenario others are preaching. Apparently the video game ends that way?
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Mike couldn't have made it back that long after the crash - it was December in the flashback (or late November), he'd been gone since September (mama says "you've been gone for months" not years), and he makes it back on the boat and to the island by Christmas. So it doesn't appear that any serious time travel was involved, though he did make it back to the US in quite a hurry.
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Ed headlined by saying he agreed with me and then expressed an opinion contradictory to mine. Verbal judo.If Grey's is the higher rated show and provides a solid lead-in for Lost, how is that supposed to not be good for Lost or...[scrolls up to get quote right} "hurts Lost"? Solid lead-ins are a good way to build a receptive audience. "Grey's..." became a hit by following that thing with the housewives, which did the same to put Boston Legal on the charts.I know sci-fi fantasy fandom is split to the point where some Lost fans mock the "shippers" - people most interested in the romantic relationships on the show, such as the Jack Kate Sawyer triangle. Or Charlie Claire or, for the incest fans, Shannon Boone. Or Rose Bernard. Even the icky Ben crush on Juliet. Hurley Libby. Jack/ex-wife. Sun Jin. Sayid's lost love. Desmond Penny. And so on. Sure, there's sci-fi/fantasy/adventure and character driven drama, but face it, "Lost" also has a fair amount of soap opera suds. If ABC runs promos stressing that angle before and during "Grey's" they're going to hold onto some of that carry-over audience. And a solid block is mutually beneficial, no doubt. There will probably be a few people who wind up catching Grey's just because it's "the show on before Lost". Maybe just the last few minutes at first, then a whole episode, and if they like what they see, they might become regular viewers. (And if they don't they'll come here to b*tch about it.)The "Grey's/Lost" pairing will be good for both shows, with Lost standing to benefit the most. It's not going to "hurt" it.And whether you focus on the mature relationships or the coming violence and slaughter that may leave the island with six survivors plus Ben (Shown in flash forward to have survived but clearly NOT one of the Oceanic Six). in spite of my japes to the contrary, "Lost" is clearly NOT a children's fantasy show. No sleestaks on us.I'm trying to think of what about airing at 10:00 might actually "hurt" lost, but any young people who have to be in bed by ten on a school night probably aren't the shows key demographic anyway.So sorry, Ed, you may say you agree with me in your topic line, but when you suggest that having "Lost" in the adult time slot following a strong lead in will somehow "hurt" the show, either I don't follow your thinking or I simply can't agree.If the network asked me, I would have preferred it if they left Lost on Wednesday nights for the entire run of the series. However, the old Hill Street Blues time slot is one of the best and most prestigious cradles on TV.
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Every group on the island has always had a nickname. The Losties - the original survivors of the fuselage section of Flight 815 split into the Beach group and the Cave group. (Hmm, maybe that's where the 20 characters we never see are - still at the cave enjoying fresh drinking water and natures showers). There was the Dharma Initiative, sometimes referred to as "the dharma bums". The Others. The Tailies. I think there's a specific name for the Dharma team that got gassed. Even "Crazy French Woman" had a nickname.I just mention this because calling the people from The Freighter "The freighters" just isn;t working for me, and I've noticed a few people here doing it already.I'm not even going to suggest a term, just ask for someone or a few people to please suggest one that we can get behind. Not "the boat people." We may also need a term to differentiate Miles and the rest of the research team from the rest of the people on The Freighter.
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The "Widdies."
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aren't they.
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My lady got into it in the first season, I honestly tried, watched a couple of episodes, but I leave her be now when its on. I can't stand shows in which every character, every grown man and woman acts like a child. Is it just me? Is this a trend now? It seems like every drama, Desperate Housewives, all that shit, everyone is acting like a little kid. 40 year old women saying things like 'oopsie', and it's supposed to be cute. aaarrrgh.
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When dook gets beat it's never dull.
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Wisconsin's gonna win.
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THEY WILL ASSFUCK HER TO DEATH AND THE LITTLE POOFSTER WILL LIKE IT WON'T YOU LITTLE MARY SISSYBOY. AH THE RAPTURE OF ALL THE COCK YOU WANT, NIRVANA ISN'T IT YOU LIGHT IN THE LOAFERS NANCY BOY CAKE EATER. HOW MANY PILLOWS ON YOUR BED HAVE TEETH MARKS ON THEM? PILLOW BITER.
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our resident hater has a split personality so he can talk to himself...and apparently his alternate pretty much wants to butt fuck himself.
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CAN'T FIGHT LIKE A MAN SO YOU RAT LIKE A BITCH? IF IT HAPPENS I WILL COME BACK AND GET YOU BANNED WHICH IS WHAT EVERBODY SHOULD DO. SNITCH OFF THIS LITTLE RAT BITCH.
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OH HOW I OWN YOU BITCHBOY. NOW YOU HAVE TO COPY ME. NICE JOB FAGGOT HERE LET ME HELP YOU OUT HERE. JUST COPY AND PASTE MY POST BUT MAKE SURE YOU CHANGE OUT MY NAME FOR YOURS. CLEAR CHILD DIDDLER?
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WHILE I WANK IT ON YOUR FACE AND YOU LAPP UP MY JIZZ!!!!!!! HA OWNED AND OWNED AND OWNED!!!!!!!!
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RAT BASTARD.
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SINCE YOU CAN'T GO BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME PATHOLOGICAL NEED TO SHOW THE WORLD YOUR A DOCHENOZZLE FUCKTARD AND POST RELENTLESSLY IN EVERY TB I'VE GOT MY WORK CUT OUT FOR ME. I LAUGH AND LAUGH AT MY OWNED LITTLE BITCH.
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If you really don't like Grey's anatomy don't watch it.But here's another good thing about Lost moving to 10:00 pm est.: No more of those goddam 62 minute episodes. You realize how many people with TiVo have to record Eli Stone just to keep the last few minutes of Lost from getting cut off? Well, neither do I, but at least one that I know of. (No, not me - I'm still in the VCR era.)
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* I'm pretty sure Ben set up Danielle and Karl to be killed off by his buddies. Go back and rewatch the scene where he gives them the map. He says some suspicious things that seem to indicate it was a trap. Him giving the orders for his people to shoot them isn't any different than however he gave Harper her orders - probably far in advance.
* I thought the reasons we couldn't see Walt were slightly sloppy and transparent writing. Something about Walt being so upset that his dad killed two women. Walt never even met them. I'm not sure how a ten year old would react to that but it seemed just a little contrived.
* I'm also disappointed that Michael so easily believed Tom and Ben's information. Shouldn't he know not to trust those guys? If Michael feels bad now wait until he realizes he killed a freighter full of innocent people.
* Did anyone notice the Christmas tree in the background when Michael was in the hospital? We know it was Christmas a couple days ago. I guess the timing works out if Michael was in the hospital in early December. It's interesting.
* I wouldn't be terribley disappointed if Danielle is dead. It sounds like a lot of people want her flashback, but I don't see how that would reveal anything interesting. We pretty much know everything about her. Only point of confusion is the "sickness" her crew experienced.
* I'm not disappointed Sayid turned Michael in. Seems like fine judgement to me. I would have done the same thing. Think about it. Sayid knows Michael is working for Ben to sabotage the freigter. Sayid doesn't want that right?
* I'm going to have to apologize to all the talkbackers that I made fun of for going on about their Tom is gay theories back in the season 3 premiere. I thought they were reading too much into Tom's statement to Kate, but it looks like I was wrong. -
http://tinyurl.com/ynnh86Here's a link to the Dalily Jigsaw Puzzle of the Day. On the left side of the puzzle is a "Change cut" option that allow you to change the number of pieces. If the 48 piece puzzle is too challenging for someone with your diminished intellectual abilities, try the 20 piece classic of the six piece. Keep at it, you can get it eventually.I did like that you quoted the legendary pisher Gabriel "Ghey" Grey. "I LAUGHED AND LAUGHED." The tradition lives on. Nothing personal, dummy. someone has to stop that guy whose user name is taken from the lead singer from Two Live Crew, but you're not doing it right.
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I see what you are saying as I re-read my post. HURTING is just a word that comes out because I'm pissed I"m asked to stay up later - with the work I do to get it ready to go out on BitTorrent.
You are right, there is probably minimal effect if not some "shipper" carry over as you mentioned. ABC doesn't do their scheduling according to my needs (dammit!). The waitress/Lost fan that gets off work at 9:45pm is loving this.
I probably look at all the day/time switches LOST has had to endure and I interpret it as a sign of disrespect. I realize that isn't always the case. But does it not seem like ABC has almost gone out of their way to shuffle LOST around and frustrate viewers? Just because it feels that way does not make it true. But damn I'm frustrated - that with the level this show is at (writing, production quality, actors, mythology/Lost related online tie-ins) that they do not do EVERYTHING they can to draw in the watchers...cause once they get hooked into the mythology, they got you. (IMHO)
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That was a funny little drive by, Sky. I almost missed that. Douche. HaHAhahaHAha. Boy oh boy that never gets old. Good one buddy.
There is one thing that even a down in the dirt, miscreant, ex-con won't do.
Snitch.
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I blame you for all the madness in the lost talkbacks haha, ever since that argument you had with Sam, the gates have been busted wide open for hostility and anger haha, Thanks bro.
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You said it all.
bum-bum.
Love that converted Budwiser song.
Time to join us in the Sweet Sixteen MSU!!
Good Luck Node & BigE. Eat 'em up.
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You must not have been in many of these Lost TBs if you believe that.
But yeah - it seems like that, only a week ago that was. And Sam and I made the peace and have chatted back and forth, joked about it, no problem.
I would say there is only one common denometer for hosility in the recent TBs.
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I've been in the lostbacks all through s3 and the break through 3 up to s4, I know there has been a lot of badblood amongst some people and sickfixx was a huge part of arguments but you have to admit that since that argument you got into , it seems like now more then ever people are talking less about lost and more shit on everyone else. it was more of a joke i wasn't really blaming you but maybe it's in the air right now, cause since i've been on these boards this is the most hostel it's been, all through s3 the Lost fans have been like brothers now there were arguments but it was mostly trolls , Now it seems like the fans are turning on each other come to think of it, I blame myself too, cause I did push picking teams oh well fuck it, TEAM JACK!
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wasn't necessarily hotstuff - but even her face is filling out nicely. That first shot of her - leaning over Claire when she was coming to in the examining room (under Ethan's care). Anyone remember that? Her ears stuck straight out and she had really severe facial features and I was kinda like, whoa...not attractive.
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Gotta love the outcome of the dook game, huh?
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Great for the kids, though, that is cool. Dad has done his entertainment part for the day! Now dad can indulge in his own entertainment!
How's Y coming?
Boy Brighteyes, I sure hope that is not true. I would really feel terrible if I was responsible for playing any part in the nastiness we've seen. Though even in Sam and I's arguement we never once resorted to name-calling or personal attacks. It was heated, but just some verbal sparring, raising our voices, but no hands, if you know what I mean. I would say some of this other stuff is a far cry from the tone of our Tb arguement.
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I agree, Ideally a show block should be of similar shows. Or at least shows aimed at a similar demo. But that can be taken too far and cause a burnout. "Heroes", sophomore slump and all, did more to bring viewers to the espionage spoof "Chuck" than to the time travel fantasy "Journeyman". Personally I think they should haveleft "medium" on Mondays with Heroes as a lead in. Allison Dubois's psychic powers manifest themselves in so many didfferent ways that she's almost a superhero, so a Heroes/Medium double feature would be a natural.I very much would have liked ABC to leave Grey's double featured with Housewives on Sunday.You understand that the reason Thursday is such an important night for network Tv is that it brings in huge ad revenues, being the "last chance" for the film studios to hype movies that open on Friday. That's why steady performers (Smallboy, CSI, ER) grow roots on the night and the other nets try to counter-program by shifting their best shows there.It was a gamble for ABC to move "Grey's" to Thurday at nine and toss it up against CSI, which continues to clock in as TV's top rated hour for some reason. Do the people who would hate to see "Lost" canceled before the whole story plays out really want to toss it up opposite TV's #1 show? Oddly, networks don't seem to care if there's no real overlap of demographics, they just look at the numbers and the high score wins.And contrary to popular opinion, networks aren;t really out to screw their moneymakers. Sure, they shift shows they want to cancel to Fridays, a grave shift where nothing gets X-Files numbers any more.Take Fox for example. Fans hated them when they canceled the cult fave sit-com Arrested Development, but the fact was, Fox kept that show on the air for four years when it NEVER got decent ratings in any time slot.After a sophomore slump and the unsatisfying six part mini-season, "Lost" was this far from being a bubble shoe a year ago, but ABC worked out a deal that guaranteed the show would stay on the air long enough to tell the story, tie the loose ends, and have a firm end date. So the strike cost us a couple of episodes, what he have had this season so far has been lean and tight and forward moving.Oh, while I said it makes sense to put together similarly themed shows, having "Lost" as a lead in didn;t help the quite good and continuously improving "Invasion". And there's such a thing as too much of a sameness. You think "Grey's" fans would be switching in drives to also watch "ER" and Fox would move "House" to Thursdays at eight to make it a medical drama triple feature, but it doesn;t always work like that.Ed, with everyone here using pseudonyms, I never noticed that the entire Lost talk-back is an all-male fanboy central. The "Heroes" talkbacks usually get a number of female comments - or maybe it's just that Ororo Monroe is so vocal it just seems that way.Still, if you read the "Lost" articles in the cheap media (TV Guide, EW) and online, there do seem to be a lot of "shippers" more interested in the love triangles and dramatic/romantic back stories on "Lost" than on the electromagnetic nanobot time travel theories.Lost may be a closed market - that is, at this stage the back story may be so complex and hard to understand for a newbie that it may be beyond picking up any new viewers. So I wouldn;t guarantee that many "Grey's" fans will stick around to boost "Lost" ratings. But that does seem to be what ABC is gambling on.
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Were the good guys Ed
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You must be a happy man
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Poor Dukies. Their cheerleaders can comfort them. Oh - that would hardly help, would it? That joke was the only thing Daugherty did right (and some decent recruiting).
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After the sophomore slump the the fish biscuit mini-season, Lost was thisfar from being a bubble SHOW - that is, a show "on the bubble" that can go either way between being cancelled or renewed."Lost" was NEVER "this far" from being BUBBLE SHOE. That's not even a thing.
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Is Dexter any good? Its just started over here in Ireland and though i've only caught bits of it, it does seem worth watching?? any thoughts would be most appreciated
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Not taking anything for granted, but if we can survive Arkansas, we'll see you there.
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Hey my friend. Have you done the gig yet?
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I could visualize the "Creepy Ben" when you said that.
"You understand that the reason Thursday is such an important night for network Tv"
Actually - I did NOT know that. That brings these things into a little more focus. And why I need to remember there is a bigger picture out there and I have very few of the answers.
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exactly...room 23 had maybe 10 constant posters, on and off of course and we were not there to argue and fight but to discuss and debate idea's and scenario's concerning our favourite show...
we did disagree on laods of issues however, it was civil unlike these currents talks are, now im not innocent here, Sikk Fixx had a go at me earlier on in season 4 and I had to say a few harsh words but as long as its done and finiashed and allows us to chat about Lost then theres nothing wrong with a bit of fighting... -
I missed it on Showtime and realized how much was being edited out for network TV. I downloaded both seasons. MP, you MUST SEE THE UNCUT version. Not the 42 minute, no "F" word, commercial cuts crap. Download it immediately. Great HD copies on BitTorrent. You can download it by the season, but also download the first couple eps to satisfy the Dark Passenger.
Seriously, Jennifer Carpenter's potty mouth is one of the sexiest (and funniest) parts of the show. And uncut doesn't = gore. No, not at all. YOu just need it ALL, trust me.
I sat there for 4 days, every spare second I had through the weekend I watched back to back to back...I couldn't stop. Just awesome. Great overlapping ark with nice stand-alone eps.
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I am not a showtime customer, but during or following the writers strike CBS began running the first season of Dexter. I'm told it was cut for time (to fit commercials) and occasionally for bits of language and violence.The one egregious offense was a censored bit where a black cop called someone a "motherlover". that was pretty sad.i don;t know what your situation is, will it be on a broadcast network (will you be getting something trimmed similar to the CBS series?) or a pay channel (offering the uncut Showtime version?)Never having seen the original version I guess I don't know what I'm missing, but the CBS edit strikes me as just fine.If you're even considering watching it you probably alrready know that it is a very dark series about an amoral and emotionless police forensics expert (specializing in blood splatter) who is also a serial killer who channels his murderous impulses by specifically targeting other serial killers.He is also oddly asexual, in a relationship while trying to keep his girlfriend at arms length - though in one recent episode he does seem to have consumated the relationship.The narrative, in which he describes his inner thoughts about trying to "pass for normal" lend the dark proceedings a comedic touch at times.Risking offending the "Lost" fans, I'd say that Dexter is currently certainly one of the best written dramas on broadcast television - very close to being THE best.One of the major positives is the pacing: it was not cut to beats and five to ten minute segments to fit around commercials, which gives is a slightly more theatrical feel than the average TV series.And to be fair, one negative comment: I was a bit surprised when they introduced the "Ice Cream Truck Killer" as an ongoing sub-plot. Each episode has a self contained story, but then there's an ongoing sub-plot about this Ice CReam Truck Killer playing cat and mouse with Dexter.The series has my recommendation and endorsement. But that's based on seeing part of the first season only. Maybe some Showtime customers here can tell you if the series has long term legs.
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I couldn't DISagree more. I LOVED Jennifer Carpenter's "Deb". I thought that little nympho minx with that potty mouth was spot on from the book. What a body in that Vice outfit. But if she annoyed you, the season must really had it's disappointing aspect with how intergal she is to the plot. Season 2 less so.
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as I said I caught a bit of it and it looked to be well paced and well written....good stuff
rb..yes we did play the gig mate and got a really good review in our wee local paper for it, ended up raising £3000 which is near $6000 or so for a charity by doing it...also banged a fucking stunner after it due to being in the band...good times all round
aint been around much purely to stay spoiler free, the death at the end of episode 8 was a huge surprize to me so i'm doing something right by staying away and dropping in occasionally...
I like our hopes of keeping the thread alive to the start of season 4 part 2....like Lost 4.2 (Die Hard fans are throwing stuff at the computer now for drumming up memories of the name it got)...the new blood is always appreciated, even if violent at times..always a pacifist..(not)
things will settle down soon and we'll all get back to Lost..
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plays a very very important part of the story
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Really well stated.
Yes it has legs. Some were disappointed in the second season - but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Dex's "shock value" has been minimized by season two and he begins to show some emotion. And we definately find out he is NOT asexual thanks to a new character. I didn't care much for the NA subplot, but I understand why it was used. Treating his "impulses" as an addiction - working the 12 steps to stop killing, kinda leaves you wanting him to KILL! Is THAT not twisted? I should be using "I" statements - maybe you won't feel that way.
Anyway MP, as damaged as Dexter is, I personally connected to and am extremely interested in his character. Dexter has me really drawn in. I can't remember the last time a character did that to me.
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One of our own has fallen, my friends.
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ed: excellent recommendation..thank you mate
Napoleon Park: I am currently getting a version of it on one of the most commercial channels on British television (ITV), so im doubting that it is the uncut version...we have a great wee channel over here imaginatively titles channel 4, adn Lost started its life there before teh big sky tv company bought it, and Soprano's was on there and uncut, just a shame they dont have Dexter then u could be assured of the uncut version..
ed..i'll def look into ur hd uncut recommendations, my mate got it from America so I'll see if he still has it...hopefully he will have the full one.....really appreciated..thanks -
and no one is fighting! I can't wait to see the last half of the season, So i can get my Jack and Locke Episode's which should be the best of the season, what other characters do you think will get episodes. Team Jack!
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Did anyone find it odd they listed (in the Podcast) the Spider as a monster? So Nikki and Paolo were taken out by the island? Why? Does the island feed off fan sentiment and breathalyzers?
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Stupid fuck, douchenozzle, cuntslurping fartface, farkin bastage, icehole. Whew.
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I think the Islands influence has been shown more and more in season 4 to affect the outside/non Island world..
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few big soccer match's over here tomorrow so I maybe on tomorrow night drunk as fuck...happy Easter to anyone who celebrates it and happy sunday to anyone who doesnt celebrate it....
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If you want a complete season, or if you just want a couple eps to feel it out...a big IF - you have a way to d/l using BitTorrrent...I still have both seasons on my 'puter. I can create the torrent and seed it, send you the link and off you go. No worries about d/l crap that way. The offer is out there - let me know if you have any luck with your buddy. If not, I'll help out with whatever you may need. I think a couple guys here can vouch for the stuff I put up. Just let me know.
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Beer Me.
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Heather Mills is a complete Bitch
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Physically impossible...though maybe they can address that one "MythBusters"
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he, imagine the whacky TB that would insue... So shall it be written, so shall it be done! :-)
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Anyone else get the TV Guide channel? Of course you do. Anyway, they have had several TV recap shows where they bring in a TV writer or columnist and refer to them as a Lost Expert. Just pathetic. Extremely. You get better commentary on these Talkbacks, easily. And let's avoid the angry fighting. Can't we all get along? 4we8, thanks for the Horton review. I'll probably take the kiddies next week on Spring Break. Happy Easter everyone! My Spartans are about to play and join ed's Badgers in the Sweet 16!
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We all know it.The end of Lost will be Locke, Sawyer and Jack walking through some clouds, where they'll encounter Walt sitting on a throne with angels buzzing around his forehead.None of this makes sense. But Walt is God.Fucking hell, I'm so excited that I've just worked this out.WALT IS GOD!!!!
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No it's not.That's a shit theory.NEXT!
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Are they?Shit. They might be.Oh. No, they're not.NEXT!
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That's it! They've crashed in the new Pirates Of The Carribbean section of Disneyworld.Was it really a polar bear or was it some guy in a costume promoting a new Disney cartoon?NEXT!
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Mar 22, 2008 8:44:43 PM CDT
LOST THEORY #4: They're in the holodeck of the Enterprise
by iammrmonkey!
Perhaps.
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Isn't it strange that everyone hasn't pounced on Kate by now? She's the fittest woman there and you'd expect all the guys to jump on her. What's wrong with these people?
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C'mon now. According to the date stamp, it's only around 9pm over there in the Americas. I'm over here in the UK posting at 1:48am. Where are all the losties? Is that the correct term for Lost fans? Lostaphiles? Losters?
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He's like a wacky Scottish version of Sam Beckett. He really should get over his obsession with Penny and start bumming Kate though.
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You'd just want to give him a knuckle sandwich every day, wouldn't you? He's so annoying. And yet I love his character.He's more interesting that Jack, Hurley, Sawyer and most of the regulars.He's not as interesting as Desmond though. I like Desmond. They should do a drunk Desmond episode where he travels back in time after drinking thirteen cans of lager and proceeds to cause all sorts of Desmond-related chaos.
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anyone else notice she had a wedding band on her hand? she had a pretty big christmas tree set up...i think she got hitched. Yes, the ring was on the right hand, but she's euro. they do that.
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Am now going to add "Don't get drunk and get home and log onto a Lost tb and then post several lots of shit" onto my list of things not to do in my life.
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Think they're allowed to go wherever they please.Sayid and Desmond should get their own tv series.
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i think that redemption angle basically does sum up what the island is there for. It's fine to have the teleportation and healing, etc, but it really does seem to be all about redemption, and I don't think michael, jack and whoever else can die if they don't go back and redeem themselves. It could also just be about fate, and whatever they've done to get off the island has pissed the island off, maybe because they're trying to change fate and the island is course correcting by not letting them die until they get back to the island and serve out their purpose
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As long as we're talking about other shows in this TB... ;) The thing that we fans of AD hated about Fox was the fucking with time slot and doing a piss-poor job of promoting. Yeah, they kept it on air for three seasons, but did you see how inconsistent they were about the schedule and promoting the show? It won an Emmy and I don't recall Fox ever mentioning this fact in the ads. How is anyone supposed to get consistent ratings when you change the schedule? And then in Season 3 they got pre-empted for frigging baseball for a month. So yeah, they "gave it a chance", but not much of one.
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Anyone else think they looked like twins? Damn 5 o'clock shadow and flowing hippie hair...
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I rewatched the pilot episode the other day and watched very carefully to see if the pilot was indeed wearing his ring...and he wasn't.
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make sure to take the kids to tropic thunder, now thats a family film.
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if any of you can handle a hardcore film, see this, it's the most punk rock film I have ever seen and Michael Pitt's character gives BEn a run for his money on the creep-o-meter.
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WELCOME, to the sweetest of the 16. As skew eye would say:
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TICK,tock,TICK,tock
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No. If that movie is punk rock, then it's the worst kind of forcing a message down your throat bullshit political punk. I'll stick to The Ramones and The Misfits. You know, fun punk. Ben is a fully-formed character, not a 1-dimensional tool of the writers. ... yeah, I hate Funny Games...
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I associate punk with politcal messages and more then just fun , its about not following the rules and getting a message out there. The character MAY be one dimensional but the movie definitely is not and if you think it is then your not getting it's message
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I can't stand ultra-violent films, especially ones where little kids get killed. I WILL see Tropic Thunder however, Bright Eyes, but I'll leave the little kiddies at home. Maybe take my teen with me. And necgray, I was a HUGE AD fan back in the day. Shifted my focus from that show to Lost now. Fox gave it a chance - more than any other network would, I'm sure. I also don't get the Gray's Anatomy / Lost pairing. Makes no sense. Not like I'm going to start watching Gray now that it's on before Lost.
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Node - where are you today, my Spartan brother??? Ed, Big 10 represents! I hope this post pisses off all of you b-ball haters! I keep on topic 99% of the time, so buzz off!
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AD was the Lost of comedy, Everything connected at the end and things from season 1 came back in season 3, it was brilliant and the puzzle all came together perfectly at the end.
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I thought he had the script for MK3, yes? Young skywalker is just a whiney little jerk. I skip over his posts completely now - doesn't bother me.
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I'm just the bait.
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..and drinking a bottle of red wine beforehand:Last night I dreamt that I was stuck on an island with Harry Knowles. Somehow we had an X-Box 360 and I TOTALLY demolished Harry Knowles at Halo. Unfortunately he got so pissed off that he turned into the smoke monster and chased me around the island and up the statue.I was pissing myself in fear.
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...to me. Lost = Shit. Alias = REAL shit. Cloverfield = Go FUCK yourself shit.
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I’ve read here amongst other places the theory that Hurley’s good fortune – HORSE, Ping Pong, not getting shot while driving vans things like that – make him untouchable. I hope this links in to how Jacob was calling him out in episode one. Maybe the Hurley Bird has something to do with Jacob. That bird has to be one of the most annoying mysteries for me, I have high hopes their going to get around to answering that. Wonder if who the island bestows luck and healing to had some connection to Jacob’s list. And I believe that Mikhail was lying when he said that Locke wasn’t on the list.
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the island is not allowing some people to die. I'm not sure how it ties into Hurley's luck, but I am now certain after Tom's conversation with Michael, that the Island is picking favorites for whatever reason.
And by "the Island" I mean whatever mystical force/Jacob whathave you that is in action on the island/thru the island etc...
It suprised me that the Island could still yield power over those that left. But that bit of info from Tom (the Island won't let you die) means guys like Locke (shot in the gut, missing kidney or no, should have been fatal through blood or infection you would think). Sawyer recovered from his gunshot to the shoulder - but look how sick he got in comparison to Locke, who was up tossing knives into backs in hours...Sawyer was close to death, needed anti biotics and doctoring. Mikhail's rapid healing...shit, a harpoon to the fucking heart?? Yet he swims out to the porthole just to ensure CHaaaalie's death (which was fortold...meaning maybe this was Mikhail's and Charlie's final act...and then they both can die according to the Island).
I don't know - but there seems to be some selection as to the Island's mystical healing abilities (didn't help Naomi, Shannon, and others). It decided it was Eko's time..didn't get him the 1st time, just took snapshots...but the 2nd time? CYA. The Spiders=Monster? Means it chose Paolo ans Nikki's time as well. Actually, fans called the Island and TOLD it that it was Paolo and Nikki's time.
I'm sure you guys can think of tons of other examples where the island has chosen the fate of characters - either to keep them alive or to die.
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Then Charlie can't be dead.
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I use to not think she was hot, but now I'd lick the sweat from her armpit for some reason. Maybe its from drinking too much, being unemployed, not having a girlfriend, and spending too much time at my house alone.
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Oh, can anyone recommend a good show to watch in the interim?
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Recently I've watched all the Dexter eps, Sarah Connor Chronicles (which is just ok), Weeds, and now I am watching Journeyman. Dex is one of my favs as is Lost, but I just can't find anything close to those in quality.
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You've never watched Farscape. I would then suggest BSG for the April 24th - Finale, and Buy, rent, d/l, or a mixture of all for the 4 seasons of Farscape and the Mini series Peacekeeper Wars. Best TV SciFi ever put out (which is not saying much).
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That last post made no sense. Long hike with the dog today after many beers last night.
BSG - for this LOST hiatus, April 24th - Episode 9.
Farscape - for the LOOOOOng Off season, May 22 until January.
Only part of the last post that made sense - Farscape the best TV sciFi ever put out...IMHO. I forever have a love for that show. Hard to fight sentimentality. Even with the muppets, the writing is dark and superior to anything on SciFi until BSG came along. They are a close 1 - 2 in my book. With a love for Claudia Black and Gigi Edgly in tight leather giving Farscape extra points. That and an honest to good funny hero in Crichton. -
Nothing was said about not being able to commit suicide. Just that if the Island doesn't want you dead yet, it won't let you die. Ben can shoot Locke...but the bullet went through where he had a missing kidney, minimizing blood loss. There was no infection and rapid healing. Same with Mikhail (harpoon to the heart, C'MON!). And when it is your time - the island will make sure you are taken out (Spiders=monsters-Paolo/Nikki, Eko and Smokie the 2nd time, etc...). Right now, The Island/Jacob has work for Michael so he will not allow him to die. When his job his done...my guess we see Smokie put Micheal up in those rafters hanging by a rope.
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Fixxative wrote: "If the island forbids suicide... then Charlie can;t be dead.But Charlie wasn't ON the island. {Of course neither was Michael and neither will Jack be when their attempts fail - but they were trying to off themselves for selfish reasons - to make their pain end - while Charlie died nobley to try to save the others. And, darn this Lost-speak, by "others" I mean the Losties. I doubt anyone would make any sacrifice to save the Others - or that they need saving, except from Ben.)
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For you Fixx. Charlie's act was out of total unselfishness - he SACRIFCED himself to save others.
Suicide, on the other hand, is a totally SELFISH act, a deed done only to remove oneself from life, despite the despair it will cause friends and family.
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hope it will be a good day for you all
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That was creepy. Up in each other's mellon.
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My personal tastes are way too diverse and way too mainstream to escape ridicule in this forum. (My current favorite cable series is TNT's "Saving Grace".) But following the relative success of CBS airing "Dexter", I've heard that NBC will be recycling "Monk" and "Psych" from the USA Network. If you have full or expanded cable you may have already seen, sampled or passed on these. If, like me, you only get basic cable, they'll be new to you. I've seen Monk maybe three times and Psych once. both seemed enjoyable enough. I'm not familiar enough with either property to give it a stronger endorsement than that, but I know people who are dedicated "Monk" fanatics."Monk" is about an obsessive/compulsive neat freak homicide detective with a neurotic obsessio with hygeine and cleanliness - which, as you can imagine, makes it hard for him to examine crime scenes. "Psych" is about a police detective who cons people into thinking he has psychic abilities - although he doesn't. When spelled out to a simple high concept it's hard to understand how either series ever got green lit let alone survived more than a 13 ep buy, and yet there they are, both into multiple seasons. There must be somethng charming about the writing, I guess. I imagine others here with more familiarity with those series will expand on those comments.
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BrightEyes. Any sightings of Bunny #8 this Easter Sunday?
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I would go with the 5 season box set of Angel. The witing is dark, but funny, lots of fight scens and acton. The twists and turns keep you on edge and you love and hate each charater at least once a month. And just GREAT characters. Good standalone eps,but the overall mythology and story arc is what kept me coming back week after weak...alot like B5 did. 5-Star Recommendation for Angel
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I need your scree name for the 'lage. I'm lurking but haven't felt comfortible there yet. THose mods make me squirlly. Helpa broher in Dew out my friend!
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Yeah, I got the message. But then, it was a message I already knew. This is one of my big complaints about the movie. Haneke is preaching to the choir. Anyone well-versed enough in film to understand what he's getting at already knows what he's getting at. The intended target of his message, Americans who watch violent films and don't realize their complicity in the violence, aren't going to get his message. If you don't understand your complicity in a film as an audience member, you aren't going to get Funny Games either. So Mission Failed. And I'm sorry, but I find the film offensively snarky. I find Haneke in general offensively snarky. He's a moralist shouting from a pulpit. And I prefer my filmmakers to be more invested in story than messages.
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Node, BigE, RB(no we will not have a chiled Liebframiltch taking up space in te cooler). And Bucky the Lab has to come...he's our mascot. So who's got the family truckster?
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Node - refresh my memory...what was the general plot outline?
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I wonder which characters will be dead when the show packs its bags and leaves us all bearded standing on bridges wanting to 'go back' 6 years to do it all again. Jack and Kate will probably be dead. Im banking that Locke wont die, that seems too obvious. And I doubt they'd ever have the balls to kill off Desmond or Penny.
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Has anyone seen the 4400? I've heard some good things about that show. I am familiar with Monk and like you, Napoleon, have seen a few and found them enjoyable. Edshrinker, I will check out Farscape and BSG, the latter of which I should have checked out long ago. I am always late to the TV show parties...just got into Lost in December! But I am all caught up and loving it.
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Then you deserve that bracket buster. The local Charlott radio will be frothing at the mouth with Davidson in there. And as usual, the "big, dumb, farm boys" will get norespect. That's ok. RB, we are headed on a collision course in in final 4. Do your part, buddy!
Paul - that's right, Naomi is another example of hw the island is dictating who lives and dies. MKJ shows us the island has power off the island as well with the control it has on Michael.
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There just aren't words in my little pea brain that can do Farscape and BSG any justice. It is an emotional experience for me - especially with Farscape. Partly because the show was ripped from us after a great 4th season that was left as a cliffhanger, with one of the characters letting loose a gutteral screem as he watches the two main characters (who are in love, and quietly boating in a lake couple hundered yards away from the ship)shot down and crystalized right in front of their crew/friends. That screem haunts me to this day. Then a couple years later after fans ran unbelievable campaigns (Save Farscape), raised money and attention, and helped get a four hour miniseries made (Peacekeeper Wars). Before you watch Ep. 4.22 Bad Timing, you had better have Peacekeeper Wars waiting on the sidelines. You don't want D'Argo's screem in your head any longer than you have to, my friend.
There are so many eps in both these series where I just sat there for several minutes after it ended going, "That was so cool" or "No, they can't do that" or "Unbelievable" or Just, "HOLY FUCKIN SHIT!!!". Dexter did that for me. Lost does that for me. BSG does and Farscape and Angel did. On a really good day, Buffy TVS did too when the writing was spot on (Confessions with Dead People). So little TV can do that. So good luck to you Jack - I envy you - especially if you make the absolutely RIGHT CHOICE by choosing Farscape ;>} (bias)
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UserJack, in my pure joy over turning someone on to Farscape, I will be happy to u/l some of the 1sy season one eps to you so you can see if you are going to like it (which you will). Do you use BitTorrent? I can set it up and seed it, then send you the link yo d/l, but you have to have the BitTorrent software like u-Torrent (I recommend) or BitLord (also quite good). Just let me know. Through this, you could catch up on all the BSG you've missed as well.
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If you want to rent or buy a single season of an ongoing series, here are two I liked:Joan of Arcadia, a spiritual fantasy. Imagine a cop show AND a high school based show in which a cop and a guidance couselor/art teacher have a crippled older son and a reclusive younger son... and a daughter who's increasingly eccentric behavior can be explained by the fact that she's regularly communicating with God who appears to her in a variety of guises.Joan: "Prove it, show me a miracle."God: "See that tree?"Joan: "That's it?">God: "Let's see you make one."I'm a sucker for a tearjerker but I swear every first season episode of that series made me both laugh and cry. And the first season cliffhanger actually makes a perfect, if downbeat, series ending.(The second season, by contrast, spent the last few episodes reformatting the series to send it in a new direction - and was then canceled.I also enjoyed the first season of "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda". It's not classic - sort of "Star Trek Lite" with some interesting tweaks. But very enjoyable. And the season one cliffhanger (SPOILER everyone is dead or dying and the ship is being destroyed) serves as an excellent and very dark ending for the series, which totally Jumped the Shark [tm] after that, as the series was reformatted to serve as a Kevin Sorbo star vehicle that downplayed the rest of the cast.
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I usually love reading these talkbacks but this week's was a real CHORE!! It was about 99% RUBBISH and at least 70% NOT EVEN ABOUT LOST!!
Enough with the Skywalker-bashing! Get over it! Why bother getting so personal over some fucking pixels on your screen - what's the fucking POINT hurling abuse at them???
And all this other shit about sports and other TV shows and FUCK! WHATEVER!
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She has work to do...
I think some people are not quite comprehending what is presented properly. It's not that that island stops you from dying - it's all about the COURSE CORRECTION. Once again, I hark back to Desmond wanting to marry Penny and Ms Hawking telling him not to bother because it just AINT GONNA HAPPEN...
Let me try and lay this out to you in a way that is easy to understand... Timey wimey wibbly wobbly - ok I 'm kidding :)
But if you have some sort of significant role to play then there is simply no way you can avoid fulfilling that role - not even DEATH will do you part from that task. Someone above (Napolean?) actually posted a good theory about time travel - that the universe simply doesn't allow paradoxes - so you can go back in time and try to kill your grandfather, but it's NEVER GONNA HAPPEN, no matter how hard you try. I think, actually that may have featured in a PKD story?
Anyway, that's why Michael couldn't die yet - for the same reason Desmond couldn't marry Penny and why Charlie couldn't live - in fact, it's also a good reason why Mikhail cheated death so often.
Point being - just like it looked like Locke bought the big one and then it turned out he couldn't die because he "had work to do" (did Tom use those same words to Michael?) so will it turn out Rousseau still has a role to play.
And yes Ben TOTALLY set them up - and yes I couldn't quite figure out why she went along with him instead of just slugging him when he suggested Alex is his daughter? We just saw in the Juliet FB how he likes to put certain people in danger and neatly wash his hands of "guilt" for their deaths.
He points out he didn't ask Michael to kill those people - sure he put him in the position of not really having any choice in the matter, but he didn't actually ORDER it...
Is THIS how he justifies being "good"??
So... about the Sayid hate...
Look at it from his perspective - he hasn't been told The Wid faked the plane in the sea - he's been told The Wid owns the boat and is searching for the Truth and nobody knows who planted the fake. His best guess (like mine) is that it was Ben - and when he finds out someone is SABOTAGING efforts to FIND the truth... Remember what he used to do for a living - finding out the Truth is important to him. MORE IMPORTANTLY the dickhead fuckded the ENGINES - on BEN'S orders! How would YOU feel if the boat that was to be your SALVATION from this shitty island was SABOTAGED by the same creep that has killed your people and consistently lied about EVERYTHING etc... Possibly your ONLY chance to get home - fucked up by the same guy who - how did Sawyer put it? Screwed everyone so he couldn't save his own arse?
How could you POSSIBLY think what he did was a MISTAKE??
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oh yeah - happy Summer Soltice pagan fertility ritual totally ripped off by the one-true-god-worshippers
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happy Summer Soltice pagan fertility ritual totally ripped off by the one-true-god-worshippers to you too, man.
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OK I've been looking for weeks online for a name but I haven't been able to turn up shit. I'm pretty sure there's a character from someone's mythology (maybe Eastern?) who steals your luck. He's not particularly lucky himself - like, say, on his own - but whoever he's around, their luck runs out and he somehow... absorbs it...
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Speaking of Lost... Not to berate a dead horse, but a few more observations on the time change.
1.) Long before your time the FCC was alarmed over the violence on "the Untouchables" and "Combat" and declared 7:00-9:00 to be "family hour", a period to air only shows that could be watched by minors. This has long become obsolete, of course. Still, "Lost" debuted in the kid-friendly 8:00 Wednesday time slot and within the first few minutes had a guy sucked into a jet engine and shredded into a fine spray, and the implied image of Kate sewing up a gash in Jack's back with a needle and thread. In the CSI/House/Grey's/Bones era of explicit gore we're lucky they didn't make us watch, but the imagination probably made it even worse for some squeamish viewers. "Lost" was eventually shifted to the 9:00 time slot and allowed to deal with slightly more mature subjects in a more appropriate time slot.Thursday is the most important night of the week for advertisers. Not that everyone decides which movie to see or what new car to buy at the last minute, but Thursday is the night before the new movies open and it's assumed shoppers will be out shopping by Friday night. So Thursday is when networks want their strongest and highest rated shows - being moved to Thursday, as "Lost" was this year, should be seen as a vote of confidence.Earlier this year the FCC charged ABC with obscenity over a five year old episode of NYPD Blue. It was one of the series best ever nude scenes. And it's hard to defend: it had lingering rear and side full nude views that pandered in a way that many thought obsolete after the decline of '70s hard-R rated sexploitation flicks. Worse, it dealt with an adult fully exposed to a minor, which came fairly close to meeting the technical definition of child porn. But the main reason this episode was targeted is because you can say and show things AFTER 10:00 that you can't before it. NYPD Blue was always a 10:00 show but for that episode it aired at 9:00 - that's why it got in trouble.Now reverse engineer that thought. You can have mild semi-nudity and some mild vulgarity on even network broadcast television AFTER 10:00. Everyone freaking out about "Lost" being "shuffled off" to the 10:00 time slot, take a deep breath and think about that. Locke can call Ben a little shit. Sawyer can talk dirty to Kate. And, obviously, more important, you can see Claire from behind in a shower, or catch a side glimpse of Sun skinny-dipping, or see some of those Juliet side-cans everyone seems to be raving about. Harsher language and discreet nudity and more adult content - is that what you kids are complaining about? Isn't that worth staying up an extra hour on a school night for?While I've never been a LA Law or ER fan, Hill Street Blues was once televisions best hour. The 10:00 PM Thursday slot is a prestige position. "Lost" fans should be proud to have their fave show in that slot.ABC has not been jerking "Lost" all over the schedule. Though they did mess with it with the constant pre-empts, delays and reruns during season two. But they've addressed and corrected that problem. "Lost" debuted in the Wednesday 8:00 slot, shifted to the more appropriate 9:00, then moved to the more important night, Thursday, and now is being given the more adult time slot at 10:00 on Thursdays. That's only three time slot/day moves in four years and like a clearly thought out game of chess each move has given the show a better and more advantageous position. Each of those moves could be seen as a promotion for the series, so what's the problem?
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After reading for days now (I had to recharge the battery on this laptop about five times) I finally got to the bottom and now I think I've posted about six times already!
Anyhow, do you think it was the freighties with the sniper rifles?
One thing that bugged me about this Temple deal - so Locke took them back the camp because it's "safe" right? I mean isn't it behind a Sonic Fence? Not that there's been any stopping people from coming and going... Just that it seems tactically, he's sending these people from somewhere maybe not quite fortified but still defendable and relatively safe -out into the fucking JUNGLE to go look for some place none of them have ever seen before? OK maybe Rousseau knows the place but still...
Oh, that reminds me - was the Temple something to do with the place with the door-to-nowhere that Michael led Sayid and Jin and Sun at the end of S2 - near the 4-toed statue?
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One show that more than a few have missed that blew me away is Breaking Bad. It aired censored on AMC and I believe is now airing uncensored on IFC. All episodes can be had via bittorrent. The season is over already, but boy was it a good one. Great writing, performances. Everything. If you have trouble finding it, take a peek here:
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http://tinyurl.com/24pt2hI finally went and checked out your "Naomi's butt-crack" link. Very moving for a few square inches of skin. But what makes the picture classic is the subliminal effect of all the signs: "restricted area, caution, no smoking."Put out that cigarette - look out, her butt is gonna blow!
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I was saying something along those same lines. If Sayid believes Michael, then turning Michael over to the crew of the boat won't result in Michael's death because the island still requires his life. So Michael should be okay AND it gets Sayid in good with the crew. If Sayid doesn't believe Michael, he's still okay because he knows they'll torture Michael for information about Ben. Giving Sayid plenty of time to formulate a plan. He might not like Michael's actions, but I think Sayid sympathizes. He knows the extremes people go to in order to protect their loved ones. And we see from the flash forwards that Sayid cares deeply about his friends. So I think Sayid's actions will prove to be smarter than they appear. He's a strategist. If Ben weren't so awesome, I'd lean toward Team Sayid.
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My daddy told me never to discuss politics or religion with strangers, but I gotta question "happy Summer Soltice pagan fertility ritual totally ripped off by the one-true-God-worshippers"I had a Baptist missionary get up on my porch the other week telling me God asks nothing but faith and acceptance for His gift of salvation while slipping me a flyer asking me to bring a donation to his house of worship. But I digress. I asked him why anti-Semitism existed if Christians and Jews both believe there was one God. Didn't it have to be the same God? He told me they actually had three, if you count Father, Son and Holy Ghost. So if you're pinning the rap for Easter on the believers of The One True God... Well, Geez, The Jews get blamed for everything...
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I stated earlier that one of the advantages of moving "Lost" to the 10:00 time slot would be no more 62 minute episodes messing up people's TiVo and VCr settings.But, to mention that other show that proved popular a short scroll up, tonight's "Dexter" is a one hour and three minute episode slotted into the "9:57" time slot. Now I'm confused. What part of "edited for time" doesn't CBS understand?
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Haven't chatted with you in awhile. How ya been buddy? Any luck copywriting your most favorite word in the whole wide world?
Do you know if the eps of Breaking Bad on BitTorrent are the uncut versions? How could you tell? Do the uncut ones have a longer playtime? I want to check them out.
Ii wasn't too over the top with my Farscape recommendation, was I?
And I gotta know - how are coming along on the Valis-LOST links? Anything interesting yet?
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Your Heels are frackin scary, dude. It will be quite a feet to knock you guys off. Well, we both got 2 more games before we can worry about playing each other, so no use going there. Congrats, Buddy!
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I am deep into the meat of VALIS now and I have to say the connections kind of drop off a bit. But the spirit of the whole thing just resonates with Lost on a deep level. I'm just a couple of days from finishing.
But I have to say that in the middle, VALIS rambles quite a bit. Once you get past that section, it's a page turner again. Highly recommended.
Breaking Bad: I know there are some uncensored episodes out in the bittorrent wild right now. If you follow my tinyurl link in the other post, there are some clearly labeled versions that say uncensored in the torrent name itself. Other than that, look in the torrent details for more info. But some are very clearly labeled.
Farscape: No, I really will be checking out the whole series when I have the moments. I think I'll try to find a series pack of it, OR just do what I planned on all along and grab the season 1 DVD if it's out there so I can give it a try. I think I saw it used somewhere recently, too.
Lastly, the one thing I will add to the Lost-VALIS connection is this, simply:
"The Empire never ended." Once you've begun reading it, that statue leg stops seeming like a joke between writers and starts to seem like a tip of the hat to VALIS. But maybe I'm reading too much into it. -
I hope it wasn't something I said.
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Easter dinners, huh? I had ham, I usually don't eat too much stuff like that. It was good. And "fuckin' good, mom".
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Where does the time go?
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Just finished VALIS and have to say wow, one of the craziest trips I have been on and was totally sober.
Be warned am about to start speaking of specifics about the book, so if you don't want to know , please stop reading.
The pink laser transport of info, which others including myself have talked about, clear connection to Lost.
VALIS - GOD being a very advanced AI from an Alien world, is a very interesting concept and would be interesting if the Island in Lost itself was like VALIS. An incredibly advanced piece of technology either from an alien planet or from the future.
As Arthur C Clarke point out "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". Where magic could also be seen as religious experiences in this context. Could you imagine what people would think 300 years ago, if they saw an airplane in the sky.
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yeah ppl seemed to be starting to come around by, say the 800th or so post - I think mostly folks were just shocked at what would seem like a betrayal - but some of us follow...
I gotta say I loved greenstyle92's post earlier about both "Supreme Chancellor Benpatine" and "Jedi Master Mace Widmore" asking for help in destroying the other - totally resonates with my post a couple of weeks ago (or was it only just last week??) about Ben being like a certain other character who convinced people to give him a whole clone army because he was "one of the good guys" and needed to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons... or something like that...
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Fine ham abounds. Nice.
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If you wanr to go the d/l route with Farscape until you find the right deal on the DVD (which I recommend - although there is no COMPLETE SET yet, only by the season) - I have season 4 from this guy and its great quality. Here is the link to season 1. Just click on his username on TPB page to pull up the other seasons he offers.
http://tinyurl.com/2gctyj
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I'm just at the part where they go to see the movie by the Eric Clapton character, I downloaded the audiobook, so I only 'read' it while I'm working on the ol' ipod, not the best way to read a book, by any stretch. I have to admit, for the last few chapters I was really losing interest. Is this the end of the part that 'rambles', gotilk? I sure hope so.
I like the theory that the Island is basically a form of V.A.L.I.S., it makes sense, as long as it's future tech and not alien. It would be nice to keep it away from the alien end of sci-fi, since they've already established time travel as a premise. Also, it would keep the Lost mythos firmly planted in sci-fi, without wandering into religious territory. -
Time to bookmark it so we can keep it going until the 24th.
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I'm interested is Claire's naked bottom. The island will not let me die until I have completed the one and only task crucial to survival.
Having naked claire bent over in front of me, with her looking back with that sexy, crooked smile, "I want you to fuck me lahyk Chaaalie nevah deed".
Then I do. Best 2 minutes of my life.
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Posts. WooHoo
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Just because someone says "I've got a bad feeling about this" doesn't mean it's a starwars reference. That's a cliche, and it's been used a hundred times in other films. Sometimes Starwars fans live and breathe starwars in everything they say and do and hear will be related to starwars. Zip up your pants, your geekness is showing. Next thing you know you'll say Desmond's scottish accent is a reference to Ewan MacGregor. That's like Paris Hilton trying to patent "that's hot". You're from Oregon? Oh, what a coincidence, my HUBCAPS were made in Oregon, we must be cousins or something!
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...except the creators are Star Wars fans, there have been other references and they fully acknowledge that they make a number of literary refences regularly in each episode, whether it be Star Wars or soemthing else.
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If you want to see Claire's fine round haunches......then I trust you read my post up at 6.6.40 and have come around to seeing my point about why it's to our advantage to have "Lost" on at 10:00 PM.So when do we get to have Rose do her bathing suit scene? You know, something for the old codgers in the audience. You know that in all the episodes where we never see Rose and Bernard, they're off in a tent somewhere rogering like chipmunks.[Not that i'd wanna do crime stuff but I'd almost be tempted to download the uncensored "Dexter". Tonight they had characters say "smells like 'ash'" and "think's his 'mess' don't stink." That's just pitiful.]
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2 minutes - you could last that long ?
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You are wrong. Period. These men who write the show often expose "their geekness" as you put it. They are big Star Wars fans and often work in references to their favorite TV and movies. If you can link another movie Darlton has shown affection for that uses that phrase as prominately as Star Wars does, then I will apologize profusely to you. But you won't.
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2 minutes might be pushing it. BAseball stats can only distract so much...and it's only pre-season.
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Because this is not free TV (the uncut is Showtime version) yes, you are rubbing against the law. But honestly, have you ever surpassed the speed limit? They have Dexter up on all over the place and as sure as I am in what I do sharing free TV, I am certain you will not get in trouble if you were to d/l Dexter from me. I have both seasons. I will put it all up, or just by the episode if you want. I'm NOT a secret agent. You can trust what you receive from me.
If you change your mind let me know, I'd be happy to help you out, create the torrent, seed it, and send you the link. That way you know who you're getting it from. The offer is there for you, buddy.
And I am absolutely on your side about the 10pm switch if we start seeing...stuff. Rose in a bikini, huh? Bernie is all in for that. -
Grieving from watching her mother and boyfriend killed, will be there to take care of her. "Musashi its so wrong, Carl and my mother were just shot" "Ok , I can be a gentleman, just close your eyes and don't look at the corpses"
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Cinderella is on a roll this year. We need an NCAA Tournament talkback lol.
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Cinderella is on a roll this year. We need an NCAA Tournament talkback lol.
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tHe mIsfIt's Class as an investigator, but we have a self proclaimed "her" above in Doc Manhattan. A bit further down, we have DrManhattansUnit. Now, could this possibly be a hubby and wife team? Which -don't get me wrong, my girlfriend and I watch LOST together and love it. But dude - be a DUDE. Surly you have an identity more than being your "significant other's" favorite sexual organ. You are indeed calling yourself a penis and then giving ownership of said penis over to Doc Manhattan. Wow. She doesn't keep it with her, does she? Can you go out with it, or does she keep it at home?
My friend - I'm just giving you shit. Mine has me so damn whipped I have no right to talk. Just some guy banter, friendly ribbing. You took a chance someone would notice you both on the same TB. The couple that posts together....well I don't know, but it's good you have together time over LOST. No hard feelings?
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Fear the Badger. Check under your bed. In your closet. Under.....your.....PILLOW!
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Better yet - I'll walk Claire over, who is still grieving Chaaalie a bit. They can connect. Claire starts running her fingers through Alex's hair. pushing it away from her face. They smile at each other. Lips move closer...
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Yearning for edit once again. Doc Manhattan may have just been quoting a movie. Which means that the handle is NOT a self-proclaimed "her". Which makes DrmanhattansUnit a really confusing handle. Not asking for and explaination. Just offering an apology. I know not of what I speak. Doing alot of this lately. Time to learn for mistakes.
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I'm one of the C2C goobers - you can let loose on me if you wish! Listening to Sat. night's Ian Punnett show now on Streamlink. I even PAY $6/mo for all the shows so I don't fall asleep and miss a good one! Flame away!
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I'm impressed, buddy. Great work. Have you tried submitting anything to that "LOSTBOYS Project" at TTS? So admire those that can draw. Locke with knife AND gun...need to have a stick of dynamite in back pocket too!
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They have shows where they bring REAL scientists on their and THOSE are the shows I hate to miss. Good with the bad. That's why I love streamlink=no commercials and you can pick the shows and segments you want. But I am a goober.
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Xiphos posted a very concise comment addressing the folks who complain about talk-backs veering off topic.I will admit that even as recently as this month I've been one of those bitches who whine about coming to a talk-back and seeing people discussing things I didn't come to read about. I think I will try to just chill out and be more tolerant when an SNL discussion turns into political trolling or when a Lost TB evolves into a sportsball play-by-play. [and while the style of humor may not appeal to everyone, have you seen that incredibly silly and out of contriol Terminator 4 thing that's going on?]A talk back generally has three parts - people discussing the show in general, positing theories and sometimes offering spoilers before an episode airs, the live-blogging during the episode and then the discussion afterwords. Most of this is covered in a matter of a few days. For popular shows (Lost, Heroes) where one talk-back stays up until the next episode airs, eventually things wander off topic and takes on a casual party atmosphere - a group of Lost fans discussing their interests.Up at 5.31.43 Maniaq commented that a lot of this talkback was not about Lost. Actually I found a lot of useful information about the episode, even though for every theory there's someone taking up an opposing view.In the matter of Dexter, someone asked for a recommendation of a good show to watch and several people beat me to praising that one. I didn't see any negative comments about the show and I do recall from many previous talk-backs people complaining that such and such a new unworthy debuting series got an article and talk-back while Dexter never did.Personally I like a free wheeling forum. Over in the Yahoo! Groups I co-moderate, Jump The Shark began as a web-site spin-off with a very specific concept but over the years has turned into a general pop media discussion forum. The_Beatles_Lounge allegedly focuseds on the British Invasion but discussions of all types of music are welcome. And my personal group, Napoleon_Park, is also a media discussion location with only two rules: no politics or religion.Trying to stay on topic to one episode is a challenge. Staying on topic to a single show seems reasonable for a few days, I suppose. But if this particular Lost talk-back is going to last until April 24th, I suspect it will soon dissolve into a meeting place for Lost fans to discuss whatever interests them for the next month.I've already tabbed this in my daily file in Flashpeak Slimbrowser, the web browser I use most often. I will also bookmark it in firefox the next time I'm patient enough to get that thing started. (Looking forward to Firefox version 3.0, but I'll wait for the official release - I've been burned by Betas before.)I realize I just blathered on a bit basically repeating what Xiphos said in one paragraph or less. Well, how else could I discreetly slip in a mention of my groups? Namaste.
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and their socks never dry out.
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OK Xiphos. Point taken. You guys have fun talking shit about nothing in particular. I'm outta here. Catch you all on the flipside...
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I don't mind it so much, as long as we always come back to our true love, Lost. Most moderation is the exact opposite. In other words, it is rarely done IN moderation. It's usually very much about hierarchies, cliques and power struggles and very little about protecting the threads or it's users/readers. I prefer a place like this. Sure it gets annoying sometimes, but at least here people get a chance to come around. In some cases.. grow up. If you just boot everyone, the conversations tend to be more careful, stilted and far too narrow. It's not that we miss the annoying people, it's that far too many secretly think THEY are annoying and are far too careful about what they post. Anarchy doesn't work everywhere, but this is the type of place it works. Far too much power has been given to words these days, and far , far too much power has been given to words on the Internets. Most of us, even I, could use a little lightening up from time to time. The Internets are full of Internet tough guys, office chair experts and weekend lawyers just waiting for the moment for you to take them or what they find offensive seriously. Don't do it. The only thing you ever lose is the comfort to express your own ideas. A little offense is good for people. It teaches them the true meaning of tolerance, which is quickly losing it's true meaning in our society.
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Maniaq and anyone else complaining - I just read through the last 24 hours TB and I think you guys are doing a good job staying on topic. IMHO. Keep this thing going strong, brothers - I've got a week from Hell approaching!
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Aren't you the least bit concerned there is someone out there claiming to be your unit?
DrManhattansUnit
Posted above about Jeff Fahey. Or is this just a Lost type coincidence, like Claire (mmmmm...ass....)and Jack being 1/2 siblings? -
Friday at 10pm, huh? Could you guys ask for a better day/time? Lubrication starts after work and a nice dinner, say 8pm(EST). Tip is right before 10(EST). We play Davidson (don't laugh, I live near Charlotte and these guys are good - heard about them all season) at 6:10pm (EST). I'm outts work by noon, eat, bar by 4pm for happy hour.
Here we go boys! This is when it gets good! We BOTH haven't been this close in the same year since we met in the final 4 in 2000. Good Luck my Big 10 Brothas!
RB - Pray you don't see a Badger in the Final 4. PRAY...you don't have to face this defense.
Oh hell, I can't talk smack...I'm scared shitless of UNC. I'm praying you get knocked out before the final 4. -
I love Brody and I really wanted his idea to move to the Fuselage into a private room during the off-season to work...but everytime I post over there, I'm edited. I stay on topic, avoid sexist wording, avoid lust over Claire (favorite pastime)avoid swearing at anyone, avoid just about EV EVERYTHING fun about posting in a TB. And a mod still jumped in and edited a short 5 word phrase. It's a little man complex, flexing cyber muyscle (instead ofnon-existant real muscle). I love the bells and whistles over there. But do I really want to have a TB where we are babysat? I'm with Gotilk. My scroll wheel works great. If I can't stand that edshrinker chap, I scroll right over his posts (although I would miss some powerfully insightful thoughts on Lost - NCAA B-Ball). We have CHOICE here. Anything goes, and WE CHOOSE whether to read it. Isn't that better than somebody else choosing what you can and cannot read?
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"slow your roll snowflake"
THAT made hot coffee dribble out my nose. Funny shit Xi. Is that some military slur? I gotta use that sometime...with your permission, SIR!
And Brodarlton, where have you gone, my friend? I forgot your handle at the Fuselage and I wanted to track you down there. Could you repeat it here for me brotha? Or just email it to me if you wish
ehansen@nc.rr.com
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Ed - we "survived" another one...which is what you do this time of year, right? They did look good though, and ol' Roy said so.
Was fearing the 10 slot Thursday, but we're up first. Only bracket with 1-4 left, so pundents were right about it being the hardest. If we continue like this past weekend...
No B10 folks in our bracket, though, so I'm assuming you mean if we both survive the upcoming weekend we're on a colision course.
Pa - I liked the sketches. If there was one critique it would be he looks "harder" than Locke does. Maybe soften the edges. And please know that's coming from someone who couldn't draw a dot.
Maniaq - I liked your thoughts about this show.
All - okay, so no more shows until Apr 24. Any ideas on how to pass the days? Other than the tourney, I mean. -
Let the BSG, non-Lost goobs have their own TB. We continue this TB with LOST as primary, but chat about BSG as well.
Watch Dexter (d/l unedited ONLY) if you hadn't
I'll create a Dex TB here in the CHAT section. We do 2 Eps a week and then chat away. Some will be seeing it for the 1st time -so no spoilers unless it can be done very tactfully.
Whaddya think?
Use another show? I'd be game for rewatches of Farscape or Angel.
Or hell, we could just go back to LOST and begin with season1, 2 eps a week.
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Not the chat sction.
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I like this one:
"Or hell, we could just go back to LOST and begin with season1, 2 eps a week."
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"I've got a bad feeling about this" is a cliche that has been around for years and is usually a harbinger of doom, it's a literary device for redshirts. It was used in Platoon, it's been used in TV, it's been used in B movies. Fine, the creators are StarWars fans, but just because Jack says "nooooo!" doesn't mean it's a starwars reference, or just because someone says any other dozen and a half cliches doesn't mean it's a starwars reference. Sometimes they're just convenient cliches and effective literary devices. Maybe we should email the creators and settle this once and for all. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've stated my case. Take it or leave it.
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...to keep this thread going for the hiatus.
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Duh, of course that was an obvious StarWars reference with term 'wookie' in it. But some phrases are too common to be references to specific literary pieces. I've got a bad feeling about this appears in at least a dozen movies, some pre-dating TPM. It's like the "don't go in there" phrase or "I told you so" or "the butler did it". It's not a knock on the Lost creators' creativity, but it's too widely used a phrase to be a shoutout to StarWars...like I said, it's like Paris Hilton trying to patent the oft-used phrase 'that's hot'. I think saying that 'Ive got a bad feeling about this' is a SW ref is reading too much into something that's not there. Yeah, Sawyer called Ben "Yoda" and there are SW references in abundance...but come on. The writers were simply telegraphing Karl's demise a few seconds in advance.
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That takes some impact out of the seemingly random fate of the thieving pair. I liked it better when i did not know that.
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I'm not sure why they needed that. Spider is just Spider - set up well with the Doc Artz dialogue and yeah...Nikki did take it from ARtz. What is he's referring to th spider that bit Nikki. That was a different spider...unless the one Nikki took is a quick little bastard.
So, smokie eacted revenge on Nik by subjecting hr to the samefate as Paolo. Though thy bth would have been fine had they just passed out in the jungle unseen and js came to. The 815ers actually killed them by burying them, Or am I off?
Node - the Fri 9:57...you wouldn't be referring to a certain game now, would you? -
keys are skipping letters when I type. I think I'm seeding too much torrent shit. I think you can understand what I just typed though. And Node - you confrmed my thought that the one that got Nik was a different one. It was a Monstery One ooooooooooh. Still weird. Like I said - they would have come to from the bite...the burial is what killed them. Love it when Nik comes out of it right when the dirt hits
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about Fri at 10pm? Something special you'd like to mention??
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Wow...THIS is home for the next month? Jesus Christ...we gotta renovate this piss hole. I've been away from the PC since Friday...and after reading over/fast forwarding thru the posts...I gotta say...I didn't miss much.
Deadpanning is an understatement. I gotta say those podcasts are useless as far as REAL info goes. Once in a great while they let something relevant slip...or put a long suffering theory to bed...(purgatory, zombies, etc)...But for the most part, I think Darlton enjoys using the podcasts to further cloud the issues at hand. That's not to say I think they are lying...but they are being purposefully misleading...and so vague it's almost frustrating to listen to.
Know this...you will never learn one solid, hard fact about LOST from those podcasts. They are there for entertainment purposes only...NOT answers.
I dunno...this room feels like a long way from Room 23...Think I'll hang back a while until the poseurs & trollers tire of this place. Then I think some real discussion can be had. I'll be checking in. -
are beautiful. Just sayin.
So when do we start with the Lost Season1 Episode 1-2? After the Frozen Donkey Wheel (from here on refered to as FDW)? Should we set up a rewatch of 1-8, 2 per week starting, what Thursday? Just askin We need input from all the guys from 4we8, Brody, BigE , MP and so on. Do we do it here or move to the Zone? We need to come to a decision...its MOn afternoon already and we are definately wandering off topic alot. Who can be the Leader and set an agenda for this wanderng group of Lot Lovers? -
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FUck - before you go- What was your handle on the 'lage again. Been on there a bit morethese days
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forget apparitions and smoke monsters, now there's zombie horses too?
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I'll look for you on the 'Lage this week...Been away from there all season...but think I'll spend this month down time catching up on some of the thoughts and theories over there.
No offense...but the ones over here are getting kinda stale! I'm all for settin up shop in "The Zone" if everyone is cool with it...but I have a feeling we'll be back out here in this TB within 3 days.
To paraphrase "Jaws"...The Zone is for 'old ladies'. (If you didn't get that...think: "Sh...sh...Shark!...Shark in the Zone! Sh-shark in the Zone!"). -
There seems to be only 2-3 weeks between when Michael left the island and when he got on the freighter. It works but it's damn tight. Do we think really think off-island time and on island time is working the same way? I can't help but feel like off-island time is different, not only that but Tom did ask Michael when he first found him in the alley if he had "the time", which I doubt is a throwaway line.
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I think it's safe to assume that ben knows exactly whats going to happen for the rest of the whole damn series, and 90 percent of the shit he says is true. there, i said it. and for funnygames, please dont be that american audience that has to be spoon fed like they expect. It's all about breaking the fourth wall and punching you in the face. remember why they never explained why they where doing it when asked? becasue they where doing it for us, the audience, because people who "summer" places need to be fucked with, maybe the boys, or us, just pushed it too far, huh?
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Did you watch the mini that set the series in motion? I hope that is part of the DL that you are getting. It is critical you see the beginning of the story (jeez, no kidding, huh?)
No aliens. They are our progenitors (or we are theirs?...no one knows). But they are trying to find the mythological Earth. The Cylons are so humanlike - no one can tellem apart 'cept by special testing. Tho there is an "old school" element that many a geek boy squeal like little girls.
Ender, I think you are gonna love it. So much of the writing mirrors our society today and human nature in real life can be a real pisser. They show all the warts and then some.
I REFUSED to like it because I wanted my Farscape back DAMMIT! WAS I PISSED!! It is so good it won me over and I am as big of a fan as you'll find. -
Download BSG. Do it, man! For the love of humanity...(no pun intended)...do it! Your chair at the cool kids club awaits.
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Node's right, those things made me roll my eyes at first, but you get through it. Once the main story really starts to pick up, after some of the standalone episodes (that are a bit clunky, by today's standards) like the prison ship episode, it really finds it's stride. The New Caprica storyline is amazing.
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bsg is an incredible show,i have friends who don't even like sci fi(aliens and whatnot) but they love bsg because its such a "human" show
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I can see your point, to each his own.
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According to some interviews over on the Sci-Fi Channel website, Season 4 of BSG will be one continous arc. Apparently, there are to be no stand-alone episodes as they make their final run towards the conclusion. Hell yeah.(Sorry for non-LOST post...)
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to start fresh and unknowing on a show like BSG...it really is great on so many levels. Pilot movie a must-watch first. kickass starbuck, hot cylon action, great characters and writing abound. enjoy.
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to indulge myself in BSG as well....looks like its going to be a busy summer of watching television....excellent
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The timeline is even tighter than that. Ben did not learn of the freighter until until he heard Naomi had parachuted onto the island. he then moved up plans to attack the Losties' camp to the next day. Tom was part of that raid, so he would have to have gone to NYC, met with Michael, and be back again in a few hours. He did not appear to be in any hurry, either.
Now i am wondering if the time differential between the island and the outside world has some aging effect on certain people. Tom said only a few can leavethe island. perhaps those are the ones like Richard Alpart who never seem to age anyway, so they do not have to worry about it. that would not explain how Ben can come and go at will with no apparent effects, so there is at least one gaping hole in my theory. -
Yo. Well, the simple go-to answer would be that she is the best pilot the Fleet (or anyone else) has ever seen. (She's kind of like Maverick to Apollo's Iceman. Heh.) But I think her real appeal is based on the fact that she's a tough, sexy, hard boozing chick who works a joystick like you wouldn't believe...Most high maintainence, emotionally charged women are simultaneously kickass and annoying. I used to date someone a LOT like her. And it wasn't exactlyy easy to do.Seelix and Racetrack are turbo-hotties. But don't forget little ol' Dee...yummmers.
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According to Lostpedia, Michael left the island November 27, 2004. Somewhere between Days 75-80 (Dec 5-10 I guess) Michael pawns Jin's watch and buys a gun, encounters Tom in an alley in New York, attempts suicide, meets Tom at a hotel and is recruited into working for the Others as Kevin Johnson, travels to Fiji and joins on the freighter as a deckhand. It gets weird after that because Lostpedia says Des and Sayid meet Kevin Johnson Tuesday, December 28, 2004 (on the Island)/Sunday, December 26, 2004 (on the Kahana).
How they know there's a 2 day diference missed me somehow.
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So if that's right, Michael made it off a remote hidden island in the south pacific on a little boat back to NYC, and then made it to Fiji in the matter of 2 weeks.
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Ha! I hear you, man. What I've found is that when a woman projects an increasingly hard and tough exterior, they're trying to hide a very vulnerable, emotional pile of mush. Which usually means they are absolute tigers in bed. Pros and cons, man. Pros and cons.
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Still wish her character would have been that cocky dog that Dirk Bennidict played. Maybe not quite as cheesy - he could still have that dark, BSG persona...but it would rid of us that stupid love interest with Apollo thingy they hang out there.
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Did Lostpedia list that time difference? Really. We know more time went by on the island (Jack's pacing around demanding answers from CS and Dan)than on the helo - so LOSTpedia says it's two days the helo lost? That falls in line with what Jack was saying how long they'd been gone.
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me that in the world where we cling to reality, Lee Adama would choose Kara over Dualla? he ep when they had Dee all "night on the town"...Holy Mother of HorseHockey was (is) she hot. You couldn't FX Katee Sackofpotatoes that hot. Sorry..I know, not BSG TB. But we need one.
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and raise you a prankishness.
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Dee. Dualla. Damn! Is it just me or is she getting hotter as the show moves along? I would have nooo problem setting up shop with her. It's too bad I can't FTL jump into her pants...
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Here's the link. The page starts in Nov, but it has other months at the bottom of the page.
http://tinyurl.com/334c7z
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Isn't that being a bit redundant? I thought DIVA WAS the top end, narcisstic, high maintenence, girly-girl, super bitch? If there are ULTRA ones too? je-zuh-hus!
Ahhhh, but when you break them. WHen you feel them bending to your will....
I don't know bout that, I'm asking, hey, Must feel good, huh? -
Make sure you slow down to IMPULSE power once you get there
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Xiphos - there has been an AnimalStructure sighting over at CHUD. Check out his comment over in Devin's latest rant. Same shit, different site! http://tinyurl.com/2jgb9m
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Finally break em but they bounce back stronger and wise to you. I guess I have excellent DivaDar and have done a good (but not perfect) job of avoiding them.
Some of them have an allure, however...
When they know that you know that you know they got it going on...
That crooked smile that says, "If you come and try it I may very well make an ass of you in front of everyone"
And she's good enough to do it.
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That schedule's not taking into account b'ball tourney, and since there's a few here that like it, I say we ammend the first 4 a bit to the following.
Wed, March 26 - Watch 4.1
Thurs, March 27 - Discuss 4.1 (That night, b'ball tourney through Sun)
Monday, March 31 - Watch 4.2
Tuesday, April 1 - Discuss 4.2
TH, Ap 3 - W 4.3
Fri, Ap 4 - D 4.3
(b'ball tourney Sat and Mon nights)
Tues, Ap 8 - W 4.4
Wed, Ap 9 - D 4.4
Th, Ap 10 - W 4.5
Fri, Ap 11 - D 4.5
Mon, Ap 14 - W 4.6
Tue, Ap 15 - D 4.6
Thur, Ap 17 - W 4.7
Fri, Ap 18 - D 4.7
Mon, Ap 21 - W 4.8
Tue, Ap 22 - D 4.8
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starbuck kicks ass, literally. she is a shit disturber and one ferociously huge pain in the ass, but she is a great character. within that whole military setup, she really churns things up.
on to lost.... i am team SAYMOND all the way! in fact i am having thoughts of a SAYMOND sandwich right now, with me in the middle. hmm..... -
edshrinker is jumping on team Saymond, but requesting we use Team Vincent for all dog related missions. Am I in?
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Either one is fine. I can multitask.
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oh, i think there are a few of us chickies out there.... was it the SAYMOND sandwich that gave it away?
yeah, she would probably have gotten her ass court martialed long before they found out that she was the best pilot around, but hey, we're talking some great tv here and you've got to have someone around to stir the pot. that is often all Sawyer ever does on lost and while i don't really think he is the greatest character around, i'll keep him just for the one-liners.
true-to-life reality is not always #1 on the list for a good plotline (cylons, anyone?).
TEAM SAYMOND! (thanks for the welcome!)
LOST talk- now posting a bit of my two cents worth, and assuredly opening myself up to much ridicule and bashing. :o) is anyone else starting to think that 'grown up' Walt is actually going to be 'future' Walt? with all this time travel thrown in to the mix, combined with Walt's 'special' qualities, i don't know, just a thought.
i am starting to think that perhaps Jin is alive, or that at least he was not one of the 8 they have said survived the crash. I only think this 'cause the guy outside of Sun's hospital room sure looked like her ex-lover, but with some hair. He would think the child was his for sure if Jin didn't survive the crash.
i agree, the timeline for Michael does seem a bit ridiculous.
while i thought this last episode did give us lots to ponder, that scene with Camp Locke cracked me up. "i brought you all here so you could all know what i know. No more secrets." and then he basically tells them nothing other than about the freighties killing everyone if they got Ben. why didn't he tell them about Jacob and the cabin? about the magic box(that's what i call mine)and his father being on the island?
i like the idea that ghost libby and ghost charlie are the island following them around. maybe ghost christian was following Jack around and that is why, in the flash forward from last season, that jack talks about his dad in the present tense.
oh, i am hopelessly addicted to this show and love reading all the posts...
and if i haven't said it enough already...TEAM SAYMOND all the way!
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for Team Vincent, as well.
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Now that's a fuckin' man's name. I feel I ought to tell you that you've all but butchered the spelling of mine. But seeing as how you've made a declaration that strokes the prick of my vanity, I'll just say welcome to fuckin' Deadwood. Help yourself to some free whiskey and half-priced pussy.
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Where Have you been Buddy!
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I took a AICN sabbatical so I could attempt to finish school. I pulled three all nighters in a row. But to no avail--I will have to take one more class during the summer.
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I'll teach you all my fancy college book learnings if you teach how to be a warrior
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So we start mini watchback this Wednesday, post comments the next day. And Ed, I say post away.
Everybody in?
And I'll continue to be on Team Clariet. -
Is hiding in his tent (Hear that BrightEyes)? Team Saymond growing to epic proportions.
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A shot of whiskey is about the only honest thing you'll find at the Gem.As for the whores, well as long as they keep their legs in the fuckin' air, I'm smiling pretty.
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And it was awesome
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I don't know if I missed it, but to make Michael's timeline even more complicated, we know the boat was in vicinity of Craphole Island when Naomi landed, which was earlier in December, right? So Michael has virtually no time to get back to NYC then return to the island. Some timeline / timetravel problems, or just sloppy writing?
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Too bad I've already loaned out my season 4 homemade DVD's! I've got episodes 1-6 already burned away, and deleted from my DVR harddrive. Should have known better, but I was just trying to make space! Sign me up - I'll be watching as soon as I get those discs back this weekend. Between basketball games, of course. Go State!
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Too bad I've already loaned out my season 4 homemade DVD's! I've got episodes 1-6 already burned away, and deleted from my DVR harddrive. Should have known better, but I was just trying to make space! Sign me up - I'll be watching as soon as I get those discs back this weekend. Between basketball games, of course. Go State!
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I really didn't mean to do that.
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dam right, im with u guys for that...
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dam right, im with u guys for that...
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Let me check mine...if they are working. i'll copy them to a folder, create a torrent and email you the link.
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BLASPHAMY!!!!!!!!!!!
The gods of Darlton shall squat down and poopies in your shoes
It's gonna come together. We know time is wonky and I think they are purposefully making Michael look older. And they said they have a plan for "older" Walt..MD Kelly is in Hawaii filming, so he's gonna be in he show as himself.
pa -are you into this ile Verticies Thory? Have any of the rest of you read it? Wow - of everything I've read in way of explaining the Island and it's invisiblilty/portal factors...this does it. Lemme find the link... -
Vile Vortices
http://tinyurl.com/26hacw
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Has become a FORCE! What the hell is BrightEyes gonna do?
Guided by the visions of a determined Scotsman who will stop at nothing to find his true love, an ex-Republican Guard uses all the talents of his former profession to wright the wrongs of an evil corporation and their minions. Desmond and Sayid, Team Saymond IS...
The Constants.
Ok Ad man I am not. God I love these guys.
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You are big on the portal idea with the island. You MUST read the Vile Vortices theory. It ties in EXACTLY to much of ewhat you are predicting.
I think what we've seen on Lost is a cast of "vile vortices" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vile_vortices), which are "twelve roughly evenly distributed geographic areas that are alleged to have the same mysterious qualities popularly associated with the Bermuda Triangle." Many locations featured in Lost seem to be connected to these vortices, including somewhere between Tunisia (where Charlotte found the polar bear and DHARMA collar) and Nigeria (where the beechcraft carrying the drug runners and Yemi took off from). Don't ask me about the science behind these vortices, but Damon Lindelof seemed to allude to them when he referred to "certain special locations on the Earth that relate to our show..."
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on our viewing schedule/TB. We are decided we are doing it right here then?
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you just can't use Comical. You'll have to download WinRAR and extract each page. Its easy.
I just emailed you a copy of WinRAR and a password generator. You just install the WinRAR, then follow the instructions 0n the generator. Works GreaT hERE! I just did it! -
http://tinyurl.com/2hmbfc
Excellent Copy of WinRAR. When your d/l box pops up where you can check to see what you are downloading, just check off (leave box empty) for every file except the WinRAR.exe and serial generator.
Run the WinRAR.EXE set up, then run the serial generater and you are all legal.
Create a folder for each issue that is not working 53-59. Open WinRAR, select comic 53, push EXTRACT TO button and choose the folder 53 you created. Should good to go to read in any picture reader. Repeat process, wash rinse, and spin.
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"Impact of Using Peer to Peer Programs""Peer-to-peer file sharing software may have spyware attached during the installation. In addition, file sharing networks are a breeding ground for computer viruses and worms. You should consider uninstalling all peer-to-peer software, and definitely install anti-virus and anti-spyware programs to protect against sharing malicious files."Not that I believe everything AOL tells me, but we're always open to an alternative viewpoint, right?
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sounds like a warning i may get shut out for not having the proper, um, hardware. if it helps i will swear like swearengen, and comment upon breasts regularly. hmm, perhaps i can sound like a combo of calamity jane and deb (dexter's sister), if required.
yay for Team SAYMOND! the followers are increasing exponentially. all are welcome in the club, only room for me in the sandwich, sorry.
ed, me likey the vile vortices. thanks for posting. it could explain a lot, and it kinda works in really well.
now if someone has a theory on what has happened to Locke, i'd be glad to hear it. he had such clear direction before and now is just kind of flailing around, waiting for someone to tell him what to do.
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here is 100% clean> I've walked a few miles ahead of you on this, Paul, and all is good to go. YOu need to fin your way around the WinRAR program - but its not hard.
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So wait do we officially consider ourselves shippers, then? On rewatching "Meet Kevin Johnson" when Sayid goes up to Des who's looking out over the water, it so looks like a "Miami Vice" thing. I never would have thought it, if it weren't for TodayzSpecial. Now I keep picture them in the pastel suits.
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Team JAck and Team Locke, no hopping ship at this point. Team Jack!
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Everyone's probably noticed how all of the passengers of Oceanic 815 were set up to be on that plane like it was their fate to be on the plane. During this season, a lot of the themes involving fate usually also involve time travel. That got me thinking that maybe (and I know this is kind of a stretch) Charles Widmore sees the future and saw himself on the island with the passengers of Oceanic 815. His constant is probably Desmond, which is why he keeps Desmond away from Penny. His constant may even be Ben. Does anyone know of any connection between Widmore and Oceanic?
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so go ahead and call yourselfs team Saymond but that is just an offshoot of team Jack , so you are all on my team. Team Jack is now growing to record numbers on Aicn, and for Team Lockes out there , I respect you all cause I have so many friends who were on it and swore by Locke that are now jumping ship saying there on faradays team and other excuses, At least you team Lockes and me as a Team Jack are true fans to our characters and will stick to them as the bad times as well as the good. So keep on saying team Saymond, Cause all it is is another way to say Team Jack. TEAM JACK!
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Not really...but I haven't thrown you a wacky Cheif Theory in a while...so here goes...
Michael was given coordinates by Ben. Everyone assumes that led he & Walter to some sort of "mainland". I never assume shit when it comes to LOST. My thinking is...He sent Mike to a waiting boat...NOT the Widmore freighter...just a bigger "Others" boat waiting for them out in the sea. That is where Michael & Walt were given their new names (NOT Kevin & Ralph Johnson, btw)...and were whisked to a waiting Mittelos airport...forced to drink drugged OJ...and woke up in Manhattan.
They were told to never talk about the island...or their real names...or contact anyone in the media. I think they were set up with an apartment (the better to keep tabs on them), Mike was given a new social and a job lead...and they were told to blend back into society and forget everything about the island...or else.
This probably went ok for about a day...until Mike felt it necessary to tell his son the truth about what he did back on the island. Walt hit the roof...and said he wanted to go to grandma's. Michael contacted mom...told her the whole crazy story...and dropped Walt off.
Haunted by what he did to Ana & Libby...and how he betrayed his fellow 815'ers....and now he has lost the love of the son he tried so hard to get back.
Might make you wanna pin a note to your shirt and drive into a shipping crate, no?
But...if you'll notice...we never heard what their "new name" is. Sure, Nurse Libby called him Mr. Dawson...but the REAL nurse never identified him by name...and only asked if she could call "Walt" for him. Mom told Mike she can't even call them by their real names. They are living the same "lie" the Oceanic 6 are having to lead.
I think Mike & Walt were given the name Lantham...but they had to give Michael a NEW identity for the Freighter Mission...possibly because someone knew they were already expecting a "Kevin Johnson" on the boat. The REAL Kevin Johnson...probably dead somewhere.
So, if Mike & Walt sailed to a faster ship...and then were taken by private jet to Manhattan...it might make sense that only a few short weeks passed before Mike was called back into island duty so quickly. I mean..."Meet Kevin Johnson"...his new "name" is in the title...but I don't think it's THE name he was given when he & Walt were re-introduced back into civilization...i.e, it's a red herring.
They certainly left A LOT out of the Mike & Walt timeline...on purpose I'm guessing. But I don't think 'vile vesticles' had much to do with it. I was actually surprised Ben let Walt get back to NY...I thought for sure he was just 'puttin on a show' on that dock...and Mike would have sailed off to the boat...Walt would have been re-kidnapped taken back to the island...Mike would have gotten one in the temple for his troubles...and become Dharma Shark chum.
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I think they were definetely drawn to that flight, its not a case of this group of people just happening to be on that plane. Going on with my the Island is essentially AI like VALIS theory, its the island that drew them to Oceanic 815. Its the island that made the plane crash but somehow allowed so many to survive. The others have worked out some of the Islands programming and have used it for their own means, travelling to NY for instance. Am sure the heading given to Michael allowed to him get back to NY quicker as well, through some kind of portal.
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That fuckin' dog is gonna save the goddamn day...Mark my words. That dog is gonna do SOMETHING heroic here soon. GO TEAM VINCENT!
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So is the Island the main place and the other places just portals or are they all connected like a network and hence Dharma has visited and studied at them all ?
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I am definetely on board Team Saymond, or Team Kickass as I like to refer to them. If they were a Tv show though they would be Miami Vice, the cars, the clothes, the ladies!! Team Jack or Team Bland would be the Brady Bunch, Team Locke or Team Crazy would be the A-Team.
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If you want Jack & Kate to end up together...you are a "Jater" shipper. If you'd rather it be Sawyer...you're a "Skater" shipper.
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Karl in the coffin would be a bigger letdown than the Knight Rider remake
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XIphos!
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No apology required nor fuckin' asked for. But I'll raise a glass to the magnificence of Deadwood and offer a toast to all your Lost show teams. May God bless the souls of those poor hapless cocksuckers, crashed upon that magical fuckin' island.Huzzah!
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and they totally do a close up on all of the oceanic 6 in the beginning of the episode. That's fucking awesome.
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remember when 815 crashed? ben was like, goodwin go get me a sugar cookie from the bronx,ethan run and get me the breastmilk from a cambodian immagrant...yes, ben is just that fast with his plans..ben knows whats going to happen already, hes see all the way to the end of season 6
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really damn thats amazing ima watch it RIGHT NOW, night
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I've been wondering about the rest of the 48 survivors of the fuselage section of Flight 815. You know, the 20 or so redshirts and characters we've never met. And who, thanks to the Nikki and Paolo haters, we now probably never will. The cannon fodder who will either die in the upcoming war with the Freighties or simply be left on the island when the O-Six are rescued.Why am I obsessed with them? Is it because when the show was just an AICN article about an island with polar bears we were promised a show with an ensemble cast of 48 characters? Not really.I relate. I slid though high school under the radar, no extracuricular activities, no clubs, never attended a dance or a game, didn't even rent a dress to go to the graduation. Just did my homework and avoided getting beat up. Heck, I've safely alluded most of my life that way.Look, there's leaders and followers, stars and bit players. Faces in the crowd. Or that guy at every party you never get around to talking to.The unknown survivors don't even have their own nickname - they're part of the "Losties" but they're rarely heard from and, most of this season, rarely seen. I don't know, are we supposed to assume they're there, just off camera, part of Jack's group straggling a few yards behind, over in Locke's camp staying in their nice cabins? We can't even call them 'the other ones' since "Others" is already taken.So if there are men of faith who believe in John Locke, and Lost shippers obsessing over the life of Jack and action fans clamoring for "Dez is a Scots marine, Sayid is an Iraqi interogator: they're cops!" and everyone is declaring allegience to one Team or another, then I'll just step back into the shadows. Call me "Team Out of Focus Girl In A Bikini".Now have her oiled and brought to my tent.
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Mar 25, 2008 1:25:10 AM CDT
This just occurred to me... probably a theory already covered...
by samsquanch
But what if Richard ages normally, but was simply traveling through time? It doesn't explain the long hair and pirate shirt, but it kind of fits neatly with the whole time travel angle, no? This is an old idea, I'll bet.
And, I know this is going back a bit, but I'm an enormous fan of Starbuck. I hear you Xiphos, I have a friend who reminds me way, way too much of her, but the fantasy is way more fun. I know she's not the prettiest girl at the dance, but that's fine with me. I've always had a thing for tomboys.
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Mar 25, 2008 1:25:42 AM CDT
Bobby - in regards to the breast milk of a Cambodian immigrant
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"Godwin, go get me a sugar cookie from the Bronx".I rarely say this, but LOL.
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That was the main thing I really enjoyed about the Nikki/Paulo diversion, the writers addressed that very idea. You're right though, the fan reaction to it might prevent them from trying it again. It must be difficult, but I'd love to see some of those fifth business characters float in and out of the spotlight casually, once in awhile.
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got... something in my eye... fuck off...
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Sure...some background dude was murdered and we never even bothered to remember if his name was was Scott or Steve. (It was Scott, btw)...But you dismiss Neil Frogurt so easily?
Neil "Frogurt" was first mentioned by Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof in the April 3rd, 2006 Official Lost Podcast as one of the yet-unidentified survivors who would soon become more "interesting." After several episodes with no new characters, the promise was repeated on July 26, 2007 at the Comic Con 2007 at San Diego.
Frogurt's finally mentioned in "S.O.S" as a volunteer to help Bernie make the giant SOS sign...but then he quits on him. Neil falls back into the background...until he threatens to steal Libby away from Hugo in the recent mobisode "Hurley & Frogurt".
May I suggest...
GO TEAM FROGURT!!!!
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sadly you define the problem of the talkback thread. or the lack of.
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I just like D.Vader's idea of putting "in regards to..." in subject lines to identify the topic. I may put it in all my topic lines in all comments in all talkbacks for a while, at least until I get bored.Anyway, I hadn't heard that about Neil Frogurt before.Midway through season one I rewatched the tapes and took notes. (Now I need to find that notebook) I remember wondering why there were no characters with glasses and in the first thirteen or so episodes I think they actually did introduce a minor character used in one or two episodes who wore round wire-rims - Lennon specs.Eventually they established Sawyer's need for reading glasses and the need for a token "guy with glasses" character was gone.Reason why I don't write for Lost: two characters I would have liked to have seen early on: a red shirt character who dies slowly because he or she lost his/her insulin or other necessary medication in the crash. And a semi-helpless character who lost his/her glasses in the crash and can't see well without them. Of course with all the glasses they collected from the dead passengers - the ones they cobbled Sawyer's original mis-matched glasses from - they probably would have had that character up and running in no time.and to keep this on point IN REGARDS TO the subject line - regarding Neil Frogurt; they actually named a character after Casablanca Records executive Neil Bogart and Frozen Yogurt?Oh well, they can't all be philosophers, right?
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it might be interesting in the upcoming battle with the Freighties to have one of the unknown survivors actually do something heroic - jump on a stick of dynamite or take a bullet for Kate or something - die a hero and leave everyone scratching their heads going "who the hell was that, I never even bothered to try to get to know them."Oh, and Brody, "in regards to..." [it's getting old already]... Scott and Steve, I never thought of them as background characters, I thought they were the shows first token gay couple.
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I believe it.. I really like the "timeloop thery" over at timelooptheory.com It explains alot, including Desmond's side-effects of turning the key and the Island being in a time loop with Alpert included.
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Hope I did that right...Actually...It appears Darlton came up with that name on a whim during the podcast...and it caught on. They were asked about Frogurt at ComicCon...and they said we would see him "soon".
But we did not "see" him...He was merely 'mentioned' in the S.O.S. episode.
Neil's actual family name is not yet confirmed. Bernard referred to him as "the guy who used to make frozen yogurt," so Frogurt could indeed be his name (a condition of life imitating art). More likely is that it is merely an occupational nickname. When Hurley calls him "Frogurt", he corrects that with "Neil".
It appears Frogurt could have spent some time hanging out with Sawyer...as in the mobisode...he calls Hurley "Tubby". If you want to see what he looks like...travel here:
http://tinyurl.com/2j2p7o
Quite a prick actually. But it could just be the darlton are big fans of The Simpsons...The word "frogurt" is well known in popular culture via a Halloween episode of The Simpsons in which Homer is persuaded to buy a cursed doll because "it comes with a free frogurt! (the frogurt is also cursed)".
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I like to keep up with the common parlance. By the way, if you want Jack and Juliette to end up together, what kind of shipper does that come out to? They both start with J, man... THEY BOTH START WITH J!!!! (Juliack? Jackliette?)
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to be on Ben's team? I'm not into psychotically claiming women for myself. Except Alicia Keys or Mila Kunis. "Oh my god! Why did you invite my boyfriend Macauly to that Bindi the Jungle Girl live crocodile capture?!!" "Because, Mila Kunis, YOU'RE MINE!!!!!! Take as much time as you need. dum dee dum dum dum hmm hmm...."
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is Claira-Lucia or a little Kaomi (before she died, obviously). Maybe Sunna-Lucia. Or Ana-Lucikki. ... What? I like Michelle Rodriguez and girl-girl, sue me...
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The "official" Shipper term for Jack and Juliet = Jacket
Brody, as I am the owner of Vincent's only know reletive, the Black Lab Named Bucky, I have been given permission to form a tentitive alliance with Team Saymond -and has been greenlit for action. The partnership is win/win. We will not try to hijack the name by asking for something like Team VinSayMond (as good as that sounds). But rather, we are content with just at from Vincent at the end of Saymond. So, I submit for your approval Xiphos, Team Saymondt. Woof Woof!
Regardless - I am 110% in baby, for the long haul...the 3 that have more of a clue as to what is going on than anyone else on Craphole Island - and they have the sacks to do something about it!
Go Team Saymondt!!! RRRR Woof!
Brody...I love it! Brodarlton is back! The Vile Vortices are just a way to explain how things seem to get "deposited" on the island from anywhere. Amelia Earheart, Yemi's Beechcraft, 815, Tunsian polar bears (you can go out the way you can in).
I say Saynondt hangs back a bit on the boat, beat the end game out of the capt. Woof, My Friend. -
Has entered into the 5 stages of grieving. He is still in denial phase...He says Team Saymondt does not exist, that it is just a part of his team Jack. We're here for your Buddy. Jump on , rest your soul. AS Team Jack cowers in the jungle in teh rain, we are warm and contented. Join us.
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it is.
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there I said it...
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is the wildcard entry yet...we dont know what it can do but its going to do something
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So my take that by following certain coordinates off the island will take you to different places on the earth is somewhat illuded to in Vile Vorticies...12 Bermuda Triangles, each connected.
So Michael's bearing of 325 probably took him to the Bermuda Triangle, where it's just a short hop to the US.
It would also explain the polar bears in the desert and on a tropical island, Yemi's plane, why the listening post in Antartica so easily found the implosion, the Black Rock, etc. It might even explain the light not being quite right.
But it doesn't explain, and I like that it doesn't, smokie, the island's control over you off the island, time differences (does it?), Jacob, etc.
I like how this ties things together but leaves other things a mystery. Nice.
Guess what I'll be paying attention to in the mini-watchback.
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I love that line
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book 14 in the lemony snicket series.
TEAM KICKASS!
that Crockett and Tubbs image is hard to get out of my mind, now.
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He was right to turn on Michael, because Michael would have turned on them. Michael was prepared to kill everyone on the boat and I don't think it would have changed because Sayyid was there. And I don't think Sayyid is helping Ben to clear Michael's death from his conscience... I think he's helping Ben because he finally understands what's at stake with the island (not to mention protecting the island = protecting his friends still alive there).
You guys and your teams are funny. No matter who has a clue at the moment, they all will by the end. I have a funny feeling that the flash forwards we have seen will NEVER actually happen. Remember what Jack said... they weren't supposed to leave. What if before the end, they realize they shouldn't? Just because you saw it in a flash forward doesn't mean it will actually happen. They wouldn't have made such a big deal about 'we're not supposed to leave the island' if it didn't end up being a bigger deal in the end. Either they decide not to leave and invalidate the flashbacks, or in the end they return to the island. One or the other -- the one thing about lost is, almost everything has a point and a meaning -- stuff like that is not trivial and without purpose.
I miss deadwood as well. SWEANGEN! They talked about doing a mini-series/movie to wrap it up but HBO in their magnificent wisdom dropped the ball.
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I've been reading that theory for a while and I just can't get it. Plus if that were the answer that'd kinda turn LOST into Star Trek wouldn't it? I thought they weren't going to make it that scientific.
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Any good???
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Hows things mate???
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i'm with node: firefly is great, really great. and you get used to the 'i reckon' country talk pretty quick, much like the 'frack' talk in BSG. I think even if you've already seen Serenity, it will still be awesome.
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I stop reading for a day or so, and it's suddenly turned into some sort of playground game where we're all picking teams over here.
Also, wasn't the hypochondriac dude named Lance? And then Hurley got him confused with Ethan? Man, it's been too long since season one. Forget that, it's been too long since Meet Kevin Johnson.
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I should move that up on my netflix queue.
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is only one of many great things about Firefly. now i want to watch it all over again.
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I think that's why we haven't really heard from them. Most of the action has been with the freighter people and Team Locke who are at the barracks. And if any red shirts went with Locke they are probably in their houses drinking Dharma wine.
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Yes, but the real question is if they are in their houses drinking Dharma wine, did any of them manage to find any of the bottled stuff or did Goodwin horde it all for his beach trysts?
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they are really prevalent at The Fuselage... there's like a hundred teams. What is the point?
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All you have to know is Fox cancelled it.
Much like Farscape in awesomeness, it was never given the chance Farscape was. Can you imagine if we would have had 4 22Ep seasons of Firefly, folks? That being said, I still favor Farscape, but I do often wonder if that would have changed had they had 4 seasons to delve into their mythology.
You'll love it MP, but be sickened at the short run. Serenity was a nice treat done wll with a limited budget. There is no "cliffhanger" like Farscape, so don't invest $$$ into the movie "Serenity" until you know you love the series. Which you will ;>} -
Half TEAM Saymond "works" for Ben. What is Des up to? And you know Sayid is just biding his time, waiting for his moment when he can break out on his own to hlp save this miserble lot, as Des comes riding in on his flank to save the day.
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I have to say, A relationship that ends with a knife fight is at least good for a story. damn!
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Ah...the steamy turd couple of LOST background characters. Ok...so they popped up briefly in "Further Instructions" episode in Season 3...where Paulo appeared to have to take an ill timed dump in the Pearl station. Then fell back into oblivion until the wonderful "Expose" episode.
But...if Darlton had had more time in that episode...Nikki & Paulo would have gotten a proper introduction, rather than just appearing out of the woodwork and acting all bossy. From Lostpedia.com:
A deleted scene introduced Nikki and Paulo in another way: Claire is taking care of Aaron when she hears some weird noises coming from Jack's tent. She starts to call Jack's name, and when she opens the tent she sees Nikki and Paulo having sex there. This scene was deleted from "Further Instructions", however pre-broadcast summaries of the episode seem to reference this particular scene, implying that it was removed at the last minute. Some fans on YouTube expressed that if the producers had introduced them in this way, they would still be alive.
I don't agree that they would still be alive...I'm certain NO Lost character was ever killed off due to "fan reaction"...or even DUI troubles. Darlton did not start season 3 with these 2 characters in mind for the long haul...only to have bad fan support get them axed in episode 14. By the time they were introduced in episode 3 (Further Instructions)...Episode 14 (Expose) was written and already shot. People who think WE, as an audience, have any control over character's life or death really need to get some psychiatric help.
That said...Nik & Paul served their purpose...to shine a tiny light over at the red shirts in the background. That there ARE other survivors...who had their own little games going on in the background...who wonder what that fuckin smoky creature is...who find the first goddamn hatch by simply STEPPING on it...by accident...and not by some mystical "divine calling" that the island is dictating (you feelin' me, Locke?)...
I think that deleted scene hurt Nikki & Paulo's credibility...but in the long run...they had a date with a medusa spider anyways...But that episode gave you an insight to the background characters that we haven't seen since season 1. And that ending was pure fuckin genius. Some dark shit there.
Razzle Dazzle!
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When do you leave for Houston?
Wish I had the cheddar to go to Detroit. Of course, my chances of getting raped and mudered (not necessarily in that order) rops considerably staying in NC. They are actually playing those games at Ford Field. Aren't thet doing yours at Reliant Stadium? Man those are big venues for Basketball. Lots of airballs in the early going. -
That scene is in the story's FUTURE. An as our story stands, Team Kickass is the only one doing FUCK about this situation! 'Cept Vincent. He just took a nice dump on the beach.
That reminds me, time to take Vincent's long lost brother out.
Keep up the faith though Ahole. Ben is the only OTHER one with a plan. And he might have the master plan for all we know.
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That was creepy. Get out of my mellon.
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The latter more likely. You originated team Kickass.
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If you use logic then Sayid and desmond are on Team Jack a lot of people who were on Team Locke realize how crazy he has become and you guys are doing anything you can to get on another team. Only problem is there was ever only two teams and that is Team Jack and Team Locke, there have been t-shirts made, online blogging, banners all dedicated to Team Jack and Team Locke. So it's just unreasonable for people to start ignoring the two teams and making new ones up, now I know none of you are on the other teams will listen and I know its all fun but there are only TWO teams and this showdown has been building since season one, so you guys can have fun with making up all kinds of teams but for me and what has been presented in the Actual Show, there are two teams of Losties. And Sayid and Jack have been allies who have respected each other since season one, they havn't always seen eye to eye but for whoever said Sayid doesn't like Jack, that's just crazy talk. So go on and ignore all reasonable logic because I will be ignoring all post that are about the fake teams. And if you think I'm rewriting history go back and watch the Actual show and see how much stuff I'm making up, I'm not the guy who started making up new teams as mine went down. Team Jack!
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This captain goes down with the ship. I will never jump ship like many here. Team Jack!
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Get on board now...I'm tellin ya...That dog has good karma....Not to mention Walter ain't about to abandon that dog on Craphole Island. I like the odds of havin Walt in my corner.
I'm tellin ya...when Team Jack...or Team Locke...or Team Saymond are backed into a corner at gunpoint....when all hope is lost...Vincent will be there to kick ass and eat fish biscuits...and he'll be ALL OUT of fish biscuits. WOOF!
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YOu've moved from Denial to anger. Progressing nicely though the stages. We'll have you healthy in no time.
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Ahole,
The story's present is played in our present. But so is it's future. And its past. And they are all in the past because of the hiatus. If the show's future is meant to be our present, then our past is actually a part of their future and a nanosecond of time which can be considered the present. Since once you realized its the present, you've actually moved to another present while that moment is in the past and you are thinking about the future. Since we very seldom live in the exact present.
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firstly, alls well pb, I have a few drunken stories but needless to say the most dramatic was the near choked to death incident on sunday night when I was drunk ate some food and had to make myself sick casue I couldnt breath......alot of alcohol was consumed beforehand
I was in for a few weeks teaching 7-8 year olds but that has since finished and am off for a week on easter break..dont know when I'll be working next just have to wait for the phone call
cheers node and others for the firefly reccomendations, the reason I brought it up is because I bought Serenity today in a sale for $6 (i think thats how the money translates) and I really enjoyed it...and of course Kate's husband is in it...he was fantastic in the film...
I thought the hologram teacher woman in it was Walts mum, I just imdb'd her and it is indeed....so two losties in one film....good times -
There is no past no present and no future there is......
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Over the Asthma inhaler for shannon and No both Jakc and Sayid agreed to get Sawyer and let Sayid do his thing to get it back, Jack got worried when Sayid was gonna take it too far, again Jack's good heart but he and SAid both planned it and please watch the show, Sayid has always showed respect for Jack since season 1 like I said they havn't always seen eye to eye but many of us don't doesn't mean I don't respect you all,and Ed way to dodge any logical answer. Team Jack! the Team of Logic.
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that Jack had the major beef with
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and that was season 2 as well..is that what u were thinking of Xiphos
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You got lots of TV watchin to do boy! Shame on you. No internet until your BSG and Firefly.
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Sign up sheet in the foyer.
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thats one of the many jpys living in Ireland mate....we dont get the really good but smaller shows.
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Jack is suppose to curl up into a ball and not do anything cause he's a doctor? Yeah that's real logical, lets see how much would have got done if on season 1 through now Jack stayed out of any thing that would be dangerous. And I won't debate with you anymore Xiphos. I said more then once that Jack and Sayid don't always see eye to eye, I take the time to read your post, so if your going to debate something take the time to read mine cause i already answered the Jack/Sayid question. All I ask is for people to debate with logic and reasoning and to not have to name call or use fabrications. Team Jack!
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You will really enoy the series. I'm with the TBer above. I wanna d/l the eps and rewatch em. That's just what I'll do. Or I might just go out and buy em. If I can find them cheap.
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reading that just blew my mind. plus i'm stoned. good luck against davidson.
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You always have to ask yourself that with those podcasts. I believe they were saying what we all wanted to here...that WE matter...WE can affect what happens on the show. I'm sayin bullshit. Nik & Paul show up in episode 3...by the time the anti-N&P fan backlash hit full stride we were up to episode 6. They are killed off in episode 14. I have to imagine Darlton did not "hatch" they let's kill off these two idiots to make the fans happy. The script was written...or at least the outline for Expose...was already in production. The N & P characters sprang out from fans saying...exactly as Napoleon was..."What about all these background folks....why don't they get a voice"?
Expose was a way to give them a voice...an annoying one, albeit....but a voice nonetheless.
I'll bet if you cornered Darlton at a party and asked...they'd tell you fan hatred had nothing to do with it.
Have you seen the Hulk yet? I have:
http://tinyurl.com/2att8y
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"And don't look at me. You got them bug eyes. Janine? Sorry about the bug eyes thing. I'll be in my office."
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For some reason the posts with "Go Team ____!" are hardcore making me think of "Steve Holt!"
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Nice.
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Listening to Charlotte radio they think they caught a break playing Wisconsin. Cakewalk to the Elite 8. Ok. Cya Friday. Who R U pulling 4?
Brody - I think they were prepared to go one of two ways with Nik and Drip. I'm sure they had broken all their stories for the season by then, but they admitted bringing in new characters was an experiment to see if it could be done smoothly and the fans would take them in to the fold so to speak. And there was NO waffling on opinion. Maybe we'll have that chance sometime at a party - I hope it's Carlton, Damon gives me the creeps.
Node - I'm sick...of waiting! May 'til 2009 When said like that -fuck me. (begins trying to slit wrist with electric razor)
PA - Your HBO John Adams show is up on PTB in all its glory
http://tinyurl.com/yoq42m
Just click on the owner of the torrent - he did parts 2 and 3 as well. Quick d/l.
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Will be my new screen name someday.
2 Things stood out from that HULK trailer.
Liv Tyler's Lips
and Liv Tyler's lips.
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He does have a better hair stylist...decidedly, IMO.
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That was Bob Loblaw. Rolls off the tongue better
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I'll be following Louisville to upset the 2 and 1 seeds into the Final Four.
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I have never gotten the impression they are serious about ANYTHING on those podcasts. Occasionally they give out a 'truth" here or there...but it' usually something we already half speculate as being fact.
I will put the N & P question out to them directly over at The Fuselage...who knows...maybe they will answer it the same way they did on the podcast. But I have a feelin that N & P had it comin from the beginning of Season 3. -
is near Charlotte - I expect some homerism. And if they don't play in the ACC, they know nothing about them.
If the ref's let you play physically you WILL beat Memphis. Wisconsin has big guys too yet you were in the lead until the end, but foul outs killed you with your lack of depth. (Hightower is where?) If you start to get in foul trouble...
Why is still can't understand how AD didn't make it...
Bob Loblaw: Actually, I was going to stay in my office tonight and work on my law blog.
Tobias: Of course— the “Bob Loblaw Law Blog.” Wow. You, sir, are a mouthful!
(I just peed my pants laughing...again)
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If Nikki kept wearing that bikini, or less, and Paulo kept taking shits, I think they would have quickly grew on us....but thier death was good as well...
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I'll contribute by demanding kate burns her's in the season 4 finale
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tried out hulu?
Wow. Never bothering with U Tube again. EW Mag talked about it abd I checked it out. No deal with ABC yet (no LOST) alas, but a TON of full Ep TV. Worth browsing.
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That shit is the bomb, dude. First I've heard about it...and it's a sure example of what those writer's were holding out for during the strike.
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Are all on Hulu.com Just saw it. Excellent quality.
It appears - all of BSG as well.
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can't watch much of that hula stuff here in canada. we are not welcome. that sucks.
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You can tell...because of the huge SATURN logo over the 30 Rock clip I just watched...and the SUDAFED PM logo next to the Family Guy episode I just watched.
Which...the studio was paid handsomely for...as you might imagine. But...last I checked...you could only watch 10 mins at a time on YouTube...this has entire movies you can watch on it. So..... -
hulu, is what i meant.
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all of firefly is there as u say mate....thank you..much appreciated..
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It doesnt recognise my country or region...ah well I tried but failed...raging now
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That's why you Canucks & international bootleggers aren't invited to the club. They can't figure out the foreign exchange rate on all those Saturn and Sudafed ads...so they just make it easy and only make it available to us Yanks.
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Ring tone spam videos...and 30 second teasers for porn sites. Top notch stuff.
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The Venture Brothers off YouTube...every episode was broken up into three 10 minute segments. For longer format video...I think Hulu will own YouTube's ass.
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Let's take a look at some of their battles and see who wins. The SITUATION: Jack wants to burn the bodies of Ocean 815. Sayid doesn't. THE WINNER: Sayid. Although burning the bodies provided closure for the Losties and stopped the boars from investigating the beach, they lost a healthy supply of scorched human meat, cooked well done. The SITUATION: Jack wanted to go to the caves because it had a) fresh water b) his Dad's coffin and c) better shelter. Sayid wanted to stay on the beach so that they could signal any rescue planes. WINNER: Jack. Although Boone died in the caves and Claire was stolen by Ethan, there were never going to be any rescue planes. And before they went to the Other's camp, the caves continually provided a source of fresh water. In addition, Charlie became a hero at the caves (The Moth) and we discovered Adam and Eve. Also, Evangeline Lilly got pretty much naked during the Great Bee Escape of 2004. Me likey. THE SITUATION: Jack and Sayid agree to torture Sawyer to get back Shannon's asthma medicine. THE WINNER: Neither. T'was not Sawyer after all. THE SITUATION: Henry Gale is probably an other. Sayid decideds to torture him to get answers. Jack stops him from doing it. THE WINNER: Sayid. Ben has the most information on the island, and he deserved to be tortured. Later, Jack realizes his mistake and beats Ben to a bloody pulp (which he miraculously recovers from less than a day later. NO SERIOUSLY, how the hell was he standing after that beatdown. I don't get it. And THEN Sawyer beats him up TOO. Again, I don't get it.) Sayid figured out that Michael's motivations had been compromised by the others. He warns Jack of this and convinces him not to attack before they developed a plan. THE WINNER: Draw. Jack had the sense of mind to agree with Sayid. So I give him props. But Sayid later apologized for his plan because he put Sun and Jin's lives in danger. The Others outsmarted Sayid. THE SITUATION: Jack brings back Juliet from camp. Sayid is extremely suspicious of her and Jack tells him to back off. THE WINNER: Sayid. Juliet was sent to the Losties camp to infiltrate their camp. But Sayid loses a point for pussing out and not killing Juliet on the spot. But he gains a point because if Juliet hadn't been allowed on the island, they never would have known about Ben's plan to attack. THE SITUATION: Sayid develops a counterattack against Ben and convinces Jack to lead the others to the rescue tower. THE WINNER: Sayid for his plan and a 1000 points for snapping that guys' neck. Jack gets 500 points for being able to sacrifice the few to save the many. Not an easy decision. Also, he kicked Ben's ass. Which made me happy. So, let's recap. So far, the score is P to 7. Sayid in the lead. THE SITUATION: Sayid pulls Jack off Locke but not before Jack pulls the trigger. WINNER: Sayid. But I don't know why. I don't get this situation. THE SITUATION: Sayid rescues Jack. WINNER: Sayid. Sayid had voiced his reservations about the rescuers earlier, but they went unheeded by Jack. THE SITUATION: Sayid wants to get Charlotte back so he can get on da choppa. So does Jack. THE WINNER: Sayid. He claims Jack will just "cause violence". Jack pretty much agrees with him. Also, Sayid ingeniously swaps Miles for Charlotte. Brilliant move Sayid. Final winner: SAYID by a margin of 20 to Pie. Also, Sayid's skills: INTUITION, belives in facts and evidences, telecommunications repairman, cartographer, unarmed combat. Sayid is a man with a combination of science and faith. He is an integrated human bring with a tendency towards torture. And why is Desmond better than Jack? 1) Scottish accent 2) He can time travel. Now don't get me wrong, I like Jack and everything. Between him and Locke, I choose Jack. But I am firmly on team Saymond!
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You say you still choose Jack over Locke? Compare them two and see who comes out on top. Should be interesting either way.
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This is one of the reasons I'm Team Bugeyes. Ben takes brutal punishment. He looks like a tiny despot who'd crumble at the first sign of physicality. But really he's badass. Probably earned through a lifetime of abuse at Roger's drunk hand.
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And I have grown a strong admiration of Ben. That man can take a fucking punch. And another one. And another one. And another one.
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Mar 25, 2008 8:18:20 PM CDT
Ben is getting punched by PUSSY's,thats why he gets back up....
by travis-dane
imagine this:EKO beating the shit out off Ben!No getting up for ya Ben.I miss EKO.
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Sayid, Sawyer, Des, Locke, Jack to some extent... those guys look like they could take a punch. They look "tough". The fact that Ben looks like a CPA but can take consecutive beatings? Pretty awesome.
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Akira Kurosawa ftw!
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I've been a busy guy, but it's a great read to follow these posts each day! Keep up the great work TB'ers!
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Yup - that's all I got.
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I'm imagining the scenario. I see Eko bloodying his knuckles on Ben's face. Yeah... Ben's eye is swollen shut, he's leaking claret out of both nostrils and three or four deep, bone-displaying cuts. His breath is raspy from a broken rib or two. And then, when Eko backs up to prepare for the killing blow, Ben whispers, "Yemi warned me about you." Eko stares at Ben, befuddled. Next shot is Eko untying Ben.
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and throwing him off the cliff to his death.Eko saying:"Give Yemi a hug,Ben!".
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He was as bad as Locke. The big palooka would be putty in Ben's hilariously manipulative hands.
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but I am pretty sure that Ben will die a gruesome death.It is just funny how the people on the Island get tricked by Ben's High School psycho tricks.Ben is a tool.His time will soon be up.(The dude who plays Ben does a great job,it has been a long time since I hated a character that much.)Good Night everybody.
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because I know you'd love something like this...very cool.
And it's for anyone with BitTorrent that would like a bunch of fun items from the show.
http://tinyurl.com/22facm
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Excellent my friend. You took a stupid comment on my part and made it a funny. Thanks for not flaming. Still curious about that DRmanhattansunit, though.
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must...have ...sleep.
Great afternoon (afternoon in the states anyway)TB my friends. I swear we will hit 1ok posts in record time this off-season.
Time to watch 4.1 tomorrow, big TB on Thursday. Looking forwards to Hugo on the run once again.
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1) How dare you!. 2) I agree that the Team is all in good fun, and my boy is a wreck off the island so I obviously don't care about winning or whatever, its my favorite tv show of all time but its not the super bawl , I don't need a victory for a fictional show, wanting to get a victory for my team would be great, I would brag and have fun but I'm not gonna go crazy or take offense if team jack comes out looking a fool, I'd be happy just to have stuck with my favorite character since season one. In the Lost Community Team Jack vs Team Locke is a fun way to have and I like to have fun with this show with other fans, but its a bit ridiculous when fans start making up reasons to make so called new teams just so there not on the team with a crazy leader, to me that's just being a sore loser and not being someone who sticks to their word. So no you didn't hurt my feelings, it's Lost, it's fun, no need to get upset. As for your last statement it makes no sense at all, if Jack did nothing since season 1 there wouldn't be Lost because he is the driving force behind the show, so NO your deadwrong, Jack is the guy who pushes everything forward, so for him to sit and a tent and do nothing just cause he's a doctor is just dumb. I can't say to rewatch the show cause you don't have access or what not but take my word for it. Jack doing nothing would be idiotic if you've seen what he has done for everyone in the past 4 seasons. Team Jack!
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funny yet completely uneven post about Jack and Sayid and you and I both know it.
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"...only punks get slammed around and killed by a cloud of smoke/nanobots/etc..."
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digging your blog. love the pic of karl.
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All the LOST threads are SOOOO fucking loooong!!!!!!
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Glad you could put those d/ls to good use. Are you planning on using the rest of the stuff in that file? Are you just saving it for another day?
What form do you need me to convert it to? So you want a Mp4 version of BOTE like the Meet Kevin Johnson version I did for you? I already have it from putting it on my PSP, so just say the word and I'll put it up on TPB.
Better yet, I can put you onto some very nice software on TPB that someone has cracked that will allow you to convert nearly any video file to Mp4 and even move it to an iPOD or PSP or related device.
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i think in a ben episode, were going to get the true fashback about henry gale...widmore's first person on the island.
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Check some of your links, however. They end up typing http:/http: when you click them.
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I know you are running on a tight schedule with the TB scheduled for Thursday!! ;>}
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Think about using the software I mentioned. Or - just d/l codec pack that will allow you to play avi's on your Windows Media Player or whatever you use.
Codec Pack
http://tinyurl.com/ysvc4j
Just d/l and and open...follow directions. I've used this exact torrent - its safe. And you can watch avi files from now on.
Software for converting avi's if you choose not to use codecs (I recommend the former, though
http://tinyurl.com/2arvst
Just use the serial
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I just watched the episode.. had to avoid the TB up until now.
So consensus? Did we like Meet Kevin Johnson?
My thoughts :
Walt = island has mutated him into a different actor
Libby = insignificant
Desmond = useless ("What you doing Sayid man?")
Michael = Captain Scarlet
Tom = we all knew
Mama Cass = getting better
Rumoured time-travel coolness = no-where to be seen
Previously on Lost = "WAAAAALT!!!"
Karl = dead
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My thoughts :
Walt = island has mutated him into a different actor
Libby = insignificant Desmond = useless ("What you doing Sayid man?")
Michael = Captain Scarlet
Tom = we all knew
Mama Cass = getting better
Rumoured time-travel coolness = no-where to be seen
Previously on Lost = "WAAAAALT!!!"
Karl = dead
Ending = abrupt
In general I thought this was a pretty good episode. I can understand why Darlton would have thought Episode 7 had a better ending if Lost was going to be off air for like several months, even though it was a weaker ep. The shoot-out in the grass was so abrupt, I totally wasn't expecting the LOST (boom). -
How I long for an edit button.
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I don't know whether to like that I'm typing that again or be sad.
The Beginning of the End
They thought they had met the enemy. They thought they had seen evil. They thought wrong. As the new season begins, the survivors feel that rescue is close at hand, but they don't know whether or not to believe Charlie's final message that the people claiming to liberate them are not who they seem to be. As unlikely alliances are formed, those they thought could be trusted may turn against them, as the enemy of their enemy becomes their friend. But who can be trusted? Is rescue really as close as it seems?
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But if you guys want to keep the talkback going like we do at the Journeyman talkback, just start watching the episodes together at the same time each week. Great thing to do when the LONG break happens, too. Everyone watch at the same hour, comment on the episode while it's playing and then come back to discuss when it's over. Can you imagine how much we'll see that we'd missed the first time or two? (as well as the stuff we think we're seeing after a few beers)
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Start with episode one, season one and each week during the long break, do one episode. Or one a day until you run out. Whatever works.
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WE SOME BEASTS SON! WE SOME BEASTS!
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definition of team: a number of persons associated in some joint action. TEAM SAYMOND! Definitely a force to be reckoned with.
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with self appointed Team leaders deciding which episodes we can discuss and when? If you need me I'll be in The Park http://tinyurl.com/m94nv working on my Lost fan fiction about the remaining twenty. Bikini girl's back-story will break your heart.
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countdown....forgot all about it.haha
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it brings me back to September/October 2007..has it been so long???
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We did this from about July of last year until the night before the S4 premier, all in 1 talkback until we maxed it out and moved to a new LOST talkback, so I'm guessing Yes would be the answer to your question.
Just to explain, not everyone lives in the same countries or watches at the same time, and some people cannot watch on designated days.
And it's not self-appointed team leaders. We're just firends who democratically decided to give it a try, and we worked together to set up a viewing schedule. It worked before, and it looks like we're trying it again. You're welcome to join us to see how it works.
But shitting on things before you know how it works or before you try it is good to. Don't know why I didn't think of that in the first place.
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You going to be joining us in the mini-watchback?
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Would you suck Hurley's hairy man titties if you would get have sex with any of the lost girls afterwards?
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i'll guess I will..haha
only a month to wait, no problem whatsoever, bring on the start scenarios for episode 4.9..
some of those start of season posts were nothing short of genius..
dont forget to post our lost dreams and lost spots,,,,,,and all of this will be juxtaposed with all of teh stuff we will be hearing about the rest of the season and all teh leaked pics and whose episodes they are...
this month will fly by, if room 23 did 8 months or so we will breeze this one especially with the help of some of our new friends.....
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This Thursday...ABC is running the "enhanced" version of the S3 premiere. Thought I might watch THAT version...see if there are any hidden tasty tidbits I may have missed.
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I would ahve no problem puckering up to Hurleys man tits to have a go at Kate and then ahve Claire wiating on the wings, whilst Juliett is masturbating and Alex is licking her out at the same time...man nipple hair would not come in the way of me and that
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Um...I starting with a rather eclectic choice:
Danielle Rousseau on Alex Linus.
Love me some sweaty, dirty mom on daughter jungle lovin. I wanna see those two get 'caught in a net'!
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i just saved your page on my favorites, keep updating and improving my friend,also are you paul burrows from the s3 lost talkbacks
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You JUST figurin out that 4we8have15to16go23back42 is pa_burrows from Room 23? I liked pa better...it's shorter for one! Great blog site, pa...I'm favorite-ing it too.
Node...I'm with ya on the Kate/Ana mash up...That would be some dirty rough sex.
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because it was one of the greatest lines thus far said by the MAN!
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I'm sure the TB will last a month no matter what the chosen ones decide to do.The ep of the week format just seems constraining to me. If a few dozen folks here decide to discuss episode 4.1 and only ep 4.1 for a day or two, that's fine with me. but the first time someone mentions something in general about the show and gets shouted down for not staying "on topic' in a forum where "Lost" IS the topic, then it goes to far. Okay, maybe that won;t happen.I had laast summer's Lost talkback bokmarked and did drop in a few times but got tired of waiting for the two minutes for it to load after a while. I'm sure that won't happen between now and April 24th either.And I imagine I'll drop in now and then. It's like Brokeback Island - "Ah cain't quit chu." But if everything is single episode specific and there's no generic discussions of Lost or Juliet's cans going on, I may not have much to say.
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{but the above post wasn't what I logged back in to say.]It just occured to me that no one ever talked to or even looked at "out of focus background girl in a bikini walking around" or Bikini Girl for short.This is NOT the plot from my fan-fic, just an alternate theory that occured to me. You'd think she'd talk to someone or someone would talk to her or on an island of horny stranded men a few of them would at least gawk at her fanny as she walked by. But, nope, she just walked through the backgrounds of scenes, always out of focus or obscured by campfire smoke. (This, of course, may be absolute bullshit - I have not set down and rewatched the entire series and taken notes of every time she appears.) But if that is true, what if nobody actually sees her?The existence of Jacob opens the door to the possibility of ghosts or spirits on the island. What if Bikini Girl is a ghost? In fact, considering that there was one character on the show that we know died while wearing a bathing suit, the olympic swimmer who swam out into the ocean, who Boone tried to save, only to fail and have to be saved by Jack in turn. What if out of focus Bikini Girl was Joanna's ghost?
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Take it from a pornhound, or anyone who's seen Nina hartley in action, the best lesbian sex scenes are the ones done by lesbians. In other words, AnaL and Juliet.Actually a brown-skinned, dark eyed cutie munching on a scarlet tressed and creamy fleshed muffin with a coral pink pearl and clams would do it for me even without the authenticity. the fact that they'd be into it only makes it better.For extra fun, watch JuliAna while chatting on the phone with Kate from her phone sex "chat line" ads.
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a three way with all dressed up to go to the cemetary Hurley and Sun might be interesting as long as she takes care of coaxing the hamster out of the burrow. Not my job, dude.
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The only Lostie with bigger cans than Juliet
Is Hurley.
Jest get Kate to trim them man boobs down a touch.
And lest us not forget, after the fair Claire and that million dollar pooper, I would have to have my way with Sarah.
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first posters should be careful what they post. Every time I log in here, there's gotilk's "I've been refreshing for half an hour".like Andy Sipowicz said to Sylvia in the shower: "That's gonna be really clean."
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Actually I think Rose may have the most matronly bosom on the island.Four smutty posts in a row, welcome to my new low.
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We try to look at each episode in the overall arc of the story. Kind of like we know where we are now after 4.8, how does what we see in 4.1 etc. relate.
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Now that I've coined that 'ship name, I'm going to be thinking about Juliet and AnaLucia nibbling their oysters and pearls like hungry marmosets every time I see Juliana Moore or that show with Juliana Margulies. Not the doctor one, that lawyer show on Fox. Is that still on?
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examine 4.1 in reference to the whole season so far and see in what ways the events of 4.2-4.8 were foreshadowed, if at all. I gotcha. that's cool.As long as it doesn't completely shut out vulgar commentaries on Juliet's cans, Hurley's man-tits, Claire's tushy or Skyyewalker's vulva. 8)That's not helping, is it?
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I may have to scroll up to see when his last post was.
Nah.
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Nope, note the spelling. I said the name of the lead singer of Too Live Crew. "Me so hawny, me luv U long time" was their big hit and not a personal comment to you. 8)Oh, and a few days ago when I said that Luke S. saved the universe, of course what I meant to say was that he was a traitor who betrayed his father and over threw his government. Way to pick a role model family.
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Spoilers???? Taken from TV guide...
"You will be getting the detailed version of what exactly happened to Michael in between Ben sending him and Walt off the island and when we first meet him behind the car".
"Michael becomes really pivotal this season. His return will have a lot of impact on the other characters".
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I cited it as an example because it seems to get a lot of praise around these parts, perhaps second only to the legendary cans of Juliet. Skinny blonde girls are not my type... and I do NOT mean that in a Tom Friendly sort of way. NTTAWWT I assure you, I found the somewhere-up-above linked .jpg of a couple square inches of Naomi's reverse cleavage/plumbers crack to be very moving and inspirational.My mind is totally in the gutter today.
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this is fun and it makes writing topic lines so easy.
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let's get AnaL go anal with Juliet and her strap-on while Charlotte gets worked on from behind.
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"His return will have a lot of impact on the other characters".He gut-shoots every woman he sees, attacks the men with broken bottles and still finds time to blow up the Freighties.un-PC joke: Man in alley being mugged by broken bottle weilding Michael: "What do you want?">p>Michael: "Waaallll-leettt!!!"
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The L is for Lingus.Now I'm starting to bother myself. Too much coffee.
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to burn the road up. He came to Claire's shack she turned to walk away and leave Locke and Kate to talk. And I was moved to tears by that butt. It IS a tiny hiney. But petite blondes are my thing.
If you like athletic, Ana-Lucia's bod is hard to beat. Tho SHE is the Rug Muncher, I can't get the visual of Ana spread wide, one hand pulling Juilet's face in and the other hand rubbing that bud like a winning lottery ticket.
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AnaLingus and Vincent in some beastiality perhaps? The craziest shit can happen on the island.
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First. What the %$&^ is a Veidt.com?
Link from a link...you know how it goes.
I received an email about the upcoming season 3 of Dexter, from a friend in a position to know, and it contained the following hints of what’s in store:
“…new season seems is trending darker. Again, nothing to do with “Dexter in the Dark”…no body-switching demons. Think more along the lines of the serial killer convention story from Gaiman’s Sandman run, and Suspect Zero.”
The Sandman story referenced is issue #14, it’s an outstanding issue of an epic series, and can be found here. Suspect Zero is a criminally-underrated, 2004 psychological thriller that plays like a horror movie designed to scare serial killers. Both are highly recommended, and if the shows’ producers really are drawing inspiration from these, then I can’t wait to see what they come up with.
Dexter season three is expected to begin airing on Showtime sometime around September 30th, 2008…but keep an eye on the torrent sites for pre-air leaks, in the weeks (months?) before this.
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"take me to WAAAAALLLLLLMART"
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dugg for the Watchmen reference. Oh wait...
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posted here awhile up, didn't he? Same snitch? Good to know. The little girl got the slightly imbalanced Suit and Tie banned, didn't he? Ruthless but creative that fella was.
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Mar 26, 2008 4:29:21 PM CDT
Michael buying a ticket to an animated science fiction movie:
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Michael buying a ticket to an animated science fiction movie:"I wanna see WALLLLLL-E!!!"
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Michael singing "Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport":"Set me Walllll-aaa-beee Loose, Bruce!!!"
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHLLLLLLBERG!! ehh...
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Michael introducing the black stand up comedian who had the same name as the racist '60s governor of Alabama:"Ladies and Gentleman, George Walllll-ace!!!"[This could get really annoying, like that Terminator 4 thing.]
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" Michael, what's your favorite Pink Floyd album?""Darrr-rrk Siii-iide of the Mooo-ooon!!! Then Sauuuuuce-errr Fullll of Seeeee-crets!""Really? I thought for sure you were going to say "The Wall.""Naw, man, too depressing for me. In fact, switch those around, I like the early stuff with Syd Barrett best."
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WAAAAAAAAAAAA... I've got nothing. I totally agree btw.
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I've been away for a few hours and look what has happened to the place...I like it
Lezzie scene.....Juliett munchin on Claires ass, whilst Alex is 69 licking the box off Kate,and Tom is taping it all casue he likes it that way...
Aaron learning to cuk dog cock from an early age, is that the syrum they were giving Claire when she was preggers...
I have nothing more to say but...W
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OH AND NAMASTE, FRIENDS...KEEP UP THE FILTHY WORK -
I am the eggman. They are the eggmen! I am the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAALRUS!
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Several New Season 4 Spoilers from TV Guide
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Now that the entire season has been spoiled for you by the revelation that characters and entities from past episodes of Lost will be on future episodes of Lost, you won't have to watch the show or post here any more. HINT HINT.Funny as a crutch? I'm as funny as two crutches both sawed 7/8ths of the way through and they're your mama's crutches at the top of a steep flight of stairs when she's on her way to church on Easter Sunday.{My apologies if I offended anyone here who threw their mother down a flight of stairs last weekend.]Actually, I think the spoiler gotham_night was complaining about was the revelation that someone figured out he was actually The Skyyewalker Family Hour [Crude vulgar term for female sexual receptive organ]. I think this time we should be polite and instead of insulting the distaff majority of the populace by labeling him gothamnight[vulgar term for female parts] we should give her a pretty name like "Gotham's Eve". You know, like the doosh."Blinded by the light, rolled up like a douche with the nozzle in the night..."Nothing personal, gotham's_eve, but someone has to remind you that no one here likes you.In the immortal words of Niles Crane, "Sea kelp? I thought you said SEEK HELP."
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gotham is skywalker OMFG! Characters on LOST will continue to be on LOST? You speak blasphemes! LAST!? As in LAST post? Yessssss!
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I think you've got your next user ID, Dumbsh_it.
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My house just rocked from the sonic boom of the shuttle Endeavor coming to land. I'm less than 20 min. from Kennedy Space Center. It scared the shit outta me, being new to Florida and all.anywaysAnother vote for Best Imaginary Lesbian Scene goes to Season 3 on Desmond's boat, who wouldn't wanna see Colleen and Sun get it on? bom chicka wah wah!
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I can stoop....sorry...step into this.
How about Juliet and Penny? Talk about cans ahoy. That would be especially good if they did it in a "teach Claitre how to" session.
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with the ABC HD streaming from the 1st season? Outside of the annoying commercials, I thought I'd give it a try and revisit some season 1. And most of the time, all I got was
Loading..........
If ABC wants us to use the site instead of d/ling, they have some work to do.
Some of the later eps and of course this season look great and play fine. Worth the effort to go there 1st for an ep...it adds to the collective ratings they look at these days. They don't encourage us to eschew TV for the internet - but you know the muckity mucks look at how popular it is online. So they can annoy us further with ways to advertise.
Gotta eat.
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Seducing sexy Juliet.
Sarah:"Claire honey, come down here, watch as lick Juliet's hard...bud 'flick'
Claire: Mmmmm
Juliet arches back, teased.
Claire: Can I try?
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I just finished season 2 on it.. agreed the quality is good... I did have past issues with a couple S4 eps having "lagblocks" in the corners. Glitchy or something. :\
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From the History Channel. D/led it awhile ago, didn't realize how interesting it was...thought I was it all. JJ Abrams, Joss Whedon, Peter Jackson among others talking serious fanboy. Really enjoying it.
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I AM a fan of the AnaLucia/Kate pairing. That would be awesomely violent. I think that'd be my first choice. But a close second would be AnaLucia/Nikki. Nikki looked like she could get a little aggressive. Plus they're both dead, so there's an opportunity for freaky ghost sex.
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sounds even better Node LOL
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This Lost talkback has become reminiscent of Penthouse Forum! See what happens to us, ABC, when you deny us Lost!?!
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Because I can type it, that's why
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Hello and welcome to another episode of "Hey, Michael". The rules are simple, you will be asked a series of questions which you must answer as the character Michael from the television program "Lost" Ready? Okay, let's play.Round one. When a flower becomes dehydrated...WIILLLLLTT!!!Please let me finish the question before answering, but, yes, that is correct. Round two. In the game Monopoly, the least expensive space you can land on is?BAALLL-LLLTTic Avenue!!!No, I'm afraid we were looking for "Any space not owned by your opponent, man." We would also have accepted "Community chest, man." Round three. What gun did James Bond use when he was ordered to stop carrying his Baretta?WALLLTTher PPK!!!That is correct. Round four. Bruce Willis's name...WALLL-LLTTER!!!I'm sorry, you really should let me finish the question. We were looking for John McClane. Bruce Willis's name in the Die Hard films is? John McClane. Round five, fans of the 1970s television series Charlies Angels placed their Farrah Fawcett-Majors posters on what part of their room?Oh, that's an easy one. WALLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!Yes, good. We're almost done, please listen to the entire question carefully, Round six. Michael's favorite drinkable ice cream confection is A. the Chocolate soda, B. the Root Beer Float or C. the chocolate malted milk shake.C. MAA-AALLLTTT!!!Oh my no I'm sorry, that was in fact a racially insensitive trick question, the correct answer is B. a root beer float, also known as a "black cow". With a score of 50% or three right out of six possible answers, I'm afraid you won't be coming back tomorrow, but we have some lovely parting gifts including the Home Game edition of "Hey, Michael". Thank you for playing.Look, forget the game, I just want my kid back, man.I'm sorry, but no. Tune in tomorrow for another episode of "Hey, Michael" - I'm your host, Ben Linus. Taa.
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anyone awake?
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GO FUCKING WHINE AT THE FATAMN AND HAVE MY POSTS DELETED YOU'RE FUCKING SCROTEBAG. HIDING BEHIND A NEW NAME YOU FUCKING GUTLESS PUNK MOTHERFUCKER. WHEN I HAVE MORE TIME IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS, I'M COMING FOR YOU SLUGGER. I HAVE A BUNCH OF NEW NAMES TO GO AFTER YOU WITH FUCKTARD AND I'M GOING TO BURN THEM ALL. I WILL ASSFUCK YOU TO DEATH COCKSUCKER.
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Mar 27, 2008 12:39:44 AM CDT
i mean really... who else would already be in the woods with gun
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besides the Others? There's just 4 of the freighters on the island.. and it can't be Dharmafolk since they've been purged, right? The Others know Alex, but not Danielle. They also know Ben's contempt for Karl, a la his death.
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KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRL!
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can you imagine the craziness during the next hiatus if its like this for five week.
No idea how old all the guys are here, but when its all said in done, from a maturity point of view and obsession with S#x we are all still 15. I one for am proud of it, I definetely want to see Alex in Action!!!! -
Place your bets people!!
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Locke had a mac-10 or something of the like, and Ben told him "ready for war" or something of the like. I suppose it shouldn't take too long for the freighters to try and extract Ben and/or kill the Losties. Wait I take that back.. It'll take until the last episode.
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You have a very nice blog, very impressive, I bookmarked it and, like Cats, I plan to see it again and again. There's no need to go golden showering all over other peoples contributions here, though. That pr0n stuff here today was fooking brilliant.
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sf is now g_n. Read up. And weirdly enough, if you look around, he e-mailed Harry a link to a weird "Cardboard Tron" featurette and got Harry to name-check him and thank him personally for the ocntribution. Sure garment and neckwear is a ferocious pit-bull, but if you're taking bets, Batmanshometown_nights has the big guy in his corner.
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I took the ending at face value and assumed that she was dead and the Freighties capped her.With all the back and forth banter here, though, I'm fairly sure she'll be back next time at least for an on-screen death scene with last words and a possible flashback. And the argument that Ben sent her into a trap seems very persuasive.Oh, and I misquoted. Your blog is BETTER THAN Cats.
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It's best not to encourage them by letting them see their names in print. But who am I kidding, I was calling for a troll fight way up at 3.33.36-3/20/08. I love a good beyonce-fight slapfest. In the immortal words or J. Wellington Wimpy, "Let's you and him fight."
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Am with you suit and tie with his language and his love of the caps lock looks like a brawler to me rather than say a brazillian Jujitsu champ. Hence think it will be a lot of wild fists flying rather than a submission
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Cat's was a long running musical on Broadway with a score by Jesus Christ, Superstar composer Andrew Lloyd Webber.But what i was actually alluding to was a somewhat well known saturday Night Live skit which featured a hypnotist putting on a one man show in which he hypnotized his audience into thinking they liked his show. the running joke in the bit was that every person interviewed coming out of the theater and every newspaper blurb quoted all said "I loved it, it as better than Cats, I'm going to see it again and again."Not being sarcastic though, nice blog. And about that other thing, we all get a little cranky now and then and say something that comes off more sarky than needed. Scroll back a few days and I had to back off on flaming the sportsball fan jocks.I'm 55, E/D, retracted and straight [retired] but I do loves me some hot girl-on-girl pr0n or a good beouch fight.
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of sandwiches... Go Team Hair Product! okay, no more dreaming, off to the doggie park (no relation to Vincent, but an avid supporter).
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The message on the hand that pressed up against the window underwater said They Need You. If the island is manifesting itself to Hurley, the island is asking Hurley to help someone. So from this, can we not assume that there are people left behind on the island? That would mean not all died in the war we think is about to begin. And that could mean Jin is alive...and in trouble.
“Who’d you say you were again?” Hurley’s doubts about Abbadon may indicate something big. We know Abbadon hired Naomi. We know the boat Naomi and her people were on is Charles Widmore’s. So if the boat found the island, why does Abbadon not seem to know (but only suspects) there are people on the island? Could the trouble mentioned in the last paragraph be they are closing in on it again?
When we saw this before I thought the eye in the cabin was definitely Desmond. Now I think it’s Minkowsky. Crazy. Time travel. No constant. Works.
I’ll say it again. Jorge should submit this one for award consideration.
You wanna see something funny? Watch the scene where Kate meets everyone else at the plane and watch the guy “behind” her.
Rose says, “I’m not going anywhere with that man.” In the next FF Hurley says “I’m sorry I went with Locke.” So if I’m right about Widmore not finding the island, then may be it’s not Widmore the island is warning Hurley about. Maybe it’s Locke. Locke being in control may mean things are out of balance rather than in balance.
And on that note, balance. There’s been a lot said about the universe correcting itself...balancing things out, so to speak. This may be minor, but Hurley makes his shots, Jack misses his. Maybe we should watch why it’s the O6. They may be the only ones that can the island...because the balance each other. I don’t know exactly what I mean by that. It’s just a hunch. -
And on that note, balance. There’s been a lot said about the universe correcting itself...balancing things out, so to speak. This may be minor, but Hurley makes his shots, Jack misses his. Maybe we should watch why it’s the O6. They may be the only ones that can LEAVE the island...because the balance each other. I don’t know exactly what I mean by that. It’s just a hunch.
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Julliet and Goodwins wife (Harper I think)are licking each other new piss holes when in walks zombie Libby and Shannon who break off their arms and proceed to fist the two Goodwin loving lesbiens.....then Goodwin walks in alive...LOST
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but an alive Goodwin warrants the cliffhanger ending? meh
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Per your point its clear that zombie movies of the past have had their fair share of brains being eating, "brains stop the pain of being dead" and all that. But clearly there is an absence of lesbian sex.
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Is Widmore really the big villain of the show? Will it take two and a half seasons to wrap up this Widmore/flashforward storyline? I mean... In LOST's future, we've been as far as Jack being at the airport wanting to go back. Okay, so after all that's about to go down in season 4, we already know what Jack's gonna want when he gets off the island.what I'm getting at is... why will it take two seasons to wrap up this SL when it only took half a season to set it up? That's why I ask if Widmore's the big villain, because maybe Abaddon is working for someone worse? How will the show end in 2 years? The O6 coming back to the island and saving the rest of the losties who wanna be saved? Will everyone get to choose to stay or go at that point as well, like they did in the jungle and split into teams
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Sorry for not paying more attention to old Vincent, but what has been doing lately ?
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Now THAT'S a lesbo scene...But...we'll have to wait for Season 7 "The Zombie Season" before we can see it.
How about dark haired crazy Libby from the mental ward getting freaky with dark haired goth Claire? A cross-flashback lesbian smackdown? I would love to see those two go at it.
Or...how about Rose on Michael's mama? And Walt walks in on it? And Vincent is somehow involved?
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Are we already seeing the storyline that the show will wrap up with in 2010?
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She is a good aussie girl and would much rather vegemite
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there's either alot of filler episodes left or Darlton better have a shitload of twists for us before it's all said and done.
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TEAM VINCENT! If you wanna know what the island's most heroic pooch is up to...you gotta join my team, dude! (I also need an editor for our weekly magazine).
I can tell you this...Vincent has been stockpiling Dharma Beer and rifles in the Pearl hatch...and he will lead the O-6 there to hide out when the shit hits the fan! SPOILER ALERT!
Oh...and I think he just pooped in Sawyer's tent. Thanks all for now!
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my uncle has a yellow lab like Vincent, and her name is Penny. Really, and I just realized that.
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There is no big villian of Lost, just all pieces of a very large puzzle, some of the pieces are in the middle and connected to many other pieces, others are on the side.
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No damn edit button!
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Mar 27, 2008 10:20:52 AM CDT
Thanks Chief but will stick with Team Miami Vice - Saymond
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But Team Saymond has no Fish Biscuits...and Team Vincent is swimmin in them. Just sayin.
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anywaysfor my next Lost watching party I'm printing out the Dharma logo and wrapping it around some beers. Then I'm making cookies with green sprinkles to resemble the island, and putting toy planes on each one. Then I'm borrowing my cousin's rabbit and painting the number 13 on it. Then I'm supplying shots of MacCutcheon. anyone else have some ideas?
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There is no Lost time, when the appartment has to be dead quiet, no interuptions whilst I enjoy my 40 minutes or so of Lost. She might actually get some loving tonight on "Lost" night
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we all have to whisper. and wear backpacks. and I'll have out oranges to eat. Maybe some pulled pork sandwiches in respect to the wild boars LOST on the island.
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Shit I get so enthused after seeing a new episode of Lost I wanna fuck somebody.
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Wish I could come to your party and watch as a) your cousin realises the paint ain't coming of and b) as your guests start choking on the toy planes.
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in fact why did I use the word "borrow"? Also... my guests wouldn't choke because The Island won't let them. The Island wants us to finish watching the show. We could get chicken gullets lodged in our thoraxes and not turn blue. It's the Island, man!
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http://tinyurl.com/2fsp6j
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Dont forget your 'namaste' sign on the way in..
and Dharma workman overalls with everyones name on them...that would be great..
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not too sure but their vag's are bound to be hairy as fuck now....im looking especially at Danielle's..16plus years and I dont think she's been trimming...
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Gas masks..you know, just incase..
and a copy of Make your own kind of music by Mama Cass Elliot just to get the party started
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employ someone to stand in teh corner of your room and just randomly shout WALT!! and 'Has anyone seen my boy?'at anyone walking past..
you could also make Tom seat covers saying 'I'm very friendly'..so u and your friends can all sit on Tom's face..
make Dharma burnt buns(just Like Julietts at the start of season 3...mm Julietts buns)
and have a large stack of fruit incase a fat friend wants to eat it or drive his car through it
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chillin' in the corner with a dharma beer in hand.
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I've got them in the Final Four with UCLA, Memphis and Wisconsin.
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Jack Pulled the Trigger! Team Jack!
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The Island stopped the gun! Team Locke!
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The island stopped the BULLET!
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tattooing logos on sharks.
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Vincent wasn't defecting at all! He was merely relocating Charlotte's GPS devise to the Pearl station, cuz he knew his fellow Losties would need a guide to all the Dharma beer and rifles once they figured out they were screwed.
Team Jack interfered with his plan! Vincent is a Lone Wolf! A Solo Operator! And he works for NO island!! He works for WAAAALLLLLLTTTT!
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The guy who dug the half ass mass Dharma grave...then didn't bother to bury the bodies after the purge! Lazy motherfucker!
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Karl may be a geek, but he WAS the one more than likely to de-flower lovely Alex. Not much in the way of competition, though. Tho I bet Richard is Effin smooooooth.
Who names their dog Vincent? Cripes, who names their kid Walt.
Paul - No problem on the file full of goodies. I knew you would find good use for it.
Just watched TBOTE. Jorge really did a good job for as many different, emotional scenes as he was required to play. He's no Hayden Christensen ;>}
But then...who is?
When the 815ers split into teams, I did notice the gay couple goiong with Locke. Significance?
Naomi, with knife in neck, on the ground, eyes open. I didn't know people could just be unconscious wiht eyes open. Always took "the eyes still open" to mean dead. I know that's what they wanted us to think, but they didn't need that little extra. And it takes away from the realism that she was alive. Also, barely able to move, raspy, trouble breathing, can barely punch the numbers on the Sat Phone, but she escaped, left a fake trail, and climbed a tree. Also, pulled that knife out of her own damn neck. Sheesh- I'm woozy just thinking about it. My point was, the Naomi thing was poorly written (the ONLY thing poor about this ep).
Brody - was that you who so deftly quoted Princess Bride? Let me 'splain. No - there is too much. Let me sum up...
Knife in back, spits up blood, collapse face down with eyes open.. Down and motionless for quite a while. Then BOOM - gone, made fake trail (of her own BLOOD, no less), climbed a tree and waited for someone to come by, so she could attack them. ??? No idea if they had the Sat phone, or who or how many would drop by (and she left a fake trail...so NO ONE may come by). So bleeding to death, you yank the knife out of the back of your neck and continue to wait in a tree so you can attack someone. I just don't get it.
Naomi wants her people to get to the island, especially in light of the gaping hole in her spine. All she had to do was come to, beg Jack to help her with her wound, get back on that Sat phone and THEN give the secret code. MAybe Jack could have helped (spinal surgeon) if anything, just by immobilizing her neck.
Anyway-so much is PERFECT about this ep, this is so nit-picky. But I like my Nit Picked, so there.
I really hope we get a satisfying answer to the "I'm Dead. But I'm also here" line from Chaaaaalie. Since this "state" is a common occurance with Christian Sheppard as well ("Go wake MY SON. He has work to do")I really hope we get a solid payoff and not something in tone similar to the midichlorean incident.
The luck Hurley has, he just can't lose. Even when he gets back (Horse w/Jack). He lost his Lottery $$, but gained a huge sttlement from Oceanic. Ever since The Numbers, dude is winner at everything except love. Poor Libby.
Foreshadowing with a name like Abaddon is delightful. A Hebrew word signifying: ruin, destruction (Job 31:12); place of destruction; the Abyss, realm of the dead (Job 26:6; Proverbs 15:11) I don't think there will be any mistaking him for one of the good guys.
Worst job ever: Javelin Catcher.
Off to look at Paul's blog. If anyone needs eps for future viewings and uses/willing to use BitTorrent, I have Season 4, Eps 1-8. Just say the word, I'll re-seed and send the link.
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Mar 27, 2008 4:18:19 PM CDT
Exactly! Vincent was on Jack's side ever since that mobisode
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where Christian sent him on a mission. This was way back in season 1, ep 1 that took place.
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Michelle Rodriguez isn't exactly an "it" girl right now. I wonder if they have approached her about doing some scene's like Libby on the Label's?
I can see Michael in his run-down loft in LA, dozing in a recliner, he wakes up only to find he can't move. And here come AnaL and Libby slowly walking toward him in tandem. "We've come for you, Michael". I might hang myself if I saw that with his past.
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What commonly-used table spice contains an element from the periodic table known as Na?
SAAAAAAAALLTT!
What military term means "cease or desist"?
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Sorting stuff out in preparation to do my taxes, I found my notebook with the notes from when I rewatched the first dozen episodes. Yes, the character someone here described as "Lance John Lennon", the sarcastic unhelpful guy, is also the person I had in my notes as "redheaded guy with glasses". I'll be identifying him as "Lance J. Lennon" in my fan fic.Having worn glasses since 2nd grade I noticed that no one on Lost wore glasses. lance was the shows first "token astigmatic guy". Then SAwyer got his reading glasses and since then I've lost track - doesn;t ben sometimes wear glasses to read, too? I don;t count or quota characters with glasses, it was just the complete absence at first that drew my attention.As for Lance's lack of a pitch in and help attitude, I think it's just common sense to realize that the cartoonish idea of spelling the word "help" out in heavy rocks on a hot beach is not really a high priority or something likely to really halp.[for the folks who tape or tivo one thing while watching another, new Reaper and Eli on tonight. SNL's Chris Parnell may be the only thing tempting me to watch the awful, awful Miss Matched again - and he's not nearly as interesting as the vice-principal from Boston Public was.]
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Lost returns in 4 more weeks. Hang on, brothers!!!!
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I have caught a bit of this speculation elsewhere, but have yet to see a good screencap. Is Ben's diary lying next to the coffin in"Through the Looking Glass?" It sounds too strange to put as private journal out for the world to see, but it might have been one of Ben's final wishes.
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pic and link? I see that is up. I saved another one, but didn't know if it was appropriate (Dog and boy praying). If you put that up, just get rid of the text that is redundant. I said some of that in the Waaaalt post.
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Where the hell has the time gone?
Node, don't know if you watched, but holy Hansborough, does Carolina look unbeatable or what? RB must be riding high right now. That's Dick Bennett's kid coaching Wash St. - you remember Dick from that Final 4 game against us in 2000 when you guys won it all. Score at halftime was like 18-14. He runs the same scheme. And UNC STILL scored and scored.
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Paul - RB I'm sure knows what he's doing. I like the idea you can filter my stuff and point out a screw up before it goes out. You have an audience now with this crowd...and they are a tough crowd! And it is your baby. I'll do everything I can to contribute - who knows...Room 23 might become the 1st stop for many as a nexus for LOST info.
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I was watching Trace Adkins buy nail polish for the Backstreet Boys.
Something was really bothering me earlier. I was thinking about the whole Des & Charlie thing. Charlie died believing that it was necessary for him to die so that Aaron AND CLAIRE would get on the helicopter and be saved. I mean that's definitely not going to happen now. So I'm not sure what happened there. Was Des mistaken? Since there is all that determinism and course correction and all that, it would seem like that was something pretty big that should stay the same. But we know that she's not one of the Oceanic 6. What it seems like to me is that they killed Charlie off for nothing. Or even worse, his efforts could turn out to be just as detrimental as Sayid turning Michael in to the freighties. And he's responsible for allowing the freighties to make contact. If the freighties are bad then the hobbit died just to screw everything up. That can't be right. And then I was thinking well what if Des was bad and was in on it with the freighties. But then he wouldn't have given the "not Penny's boat" message. I'm confused again. :( I can't make it through a whole month. -
for a character not to be on team Jack, geeze you would think he it was team Hitler by the way you guys act
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I don't think she is technically "killed off". She is comatose due to the rearrangng BrainiSpike did. CK closed her eyes cause, well, I think he foud it disturbing to look it too. Plus - she's not really seeing anything (I guess). Spikiac said she was trapped in there and in great pain. I'm sure she wishes she was dead. She's done after this season, so they have to write her out somehow without killing her to stay true to the story, which they take liberties with, but from what I gather, they respect the source material.
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Between Louisville and UNC. Should be a great game.
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the first time I saw it I assumed he met he regretted going with Locke's group because something bad happened to them. This time it felt like he meant he was apologizing for not being there to help when something bad happened to Jack's group.Any opinions?
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http://tinyurl.com/39p9qn
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I've watched all of the "enhanced" episodes so far, but there really hasn't been anything revolutionary in them, other than pointing out the obvious. But again, I wonder who is doing the enhancing - the powers that be at Lost, or just the folks at ABC - the same ones that do the previews that are generally misleading and not necessarily 100% true?
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Question: Olympic sprot in which u use a pole....buzzer sounds
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I feel good, but not overly so. I'll say we survived again, and it was our toughest test so far. But I'm not ready to even say we'll make it past Saturday night...not yet.
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1st off, good post. Next, to me it's more like Locke has become the problem, not the solution. Go back and read my post at Mar 27th, 2008 08:14:59 AM.
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wakening up on a friday morning and not scrambling around the internet trying to find the newest lost episode....I miss lost already...how the hell am I going to cope when season 4 finish's for 8 months....arghh, I want continuous Lost forever....no breaks..i'll work out my kidnap plot of ABC exec's and try to get Darlton to agree
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node freaky that is...I didnt refresh after my comment...woooo dude we been spending too much time here...haha
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WS played a slow down offense. Considereing they allowed an average of around 50/game this year, I'd say 68 ain't bad.
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Charles KurAAAAAAAAAAAALT!!!
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and it's my own damned FAAAAAAAAAULT!
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...you just officially took me over the edge and now there are tears rolling down my face... I'm either completely delirious or we are all seriously funny this morning. I wonder which it is.
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That religion itself seems to contain the faintest echoes of truth pertaining to a reality that is fully scientific. Like a rumour passed through a thousand men, or a story of a jetliner seen flying across the sky by a caveman in an ancient cave painting. It's a common opinion in regard to religion by even those who consider themselves devout, the idea that the bibles of the world's religions are a written record of ancient spoken tales told over campfires, reinterpreted and misunderstood so many times that the real stories are *lost* forever in time.
Of course the God(s) of VALIS say that time does not exist. It's all part of an illusion that at first inspires us, then protects us and eventually destroys us. Can an illusion be so powerful? Has anyone ever been "scared to death" of a thing that was never really there? Are we doomed to never see "the big picture"? I'm not finished with VALIS, but I'm close. I fear that my time with it, highlighter in hand, has brought me one step closer to the brilliantly sick mind of Dick himself. It's a MUST READ for any LOST fan. -
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First off...get your eyes OFF of her! She's MINE! Ok...now that that is out of the way...
Charlie died so that they would BOTH be saved and get off that rock. And they will...just not at the same TIME! Just because Claire is not one of the O-6...does not mean she is DEAD. Somehow she is separated from Aaron, either by choice or by fate...and he falls under Kate's charge.
But...as we all know...CLAIRE & CLAIRE ALONE must raise baby Aaron. I think that cryptic foreshadowing from Malkin will come into play in the future...and will be the reason Kate agrees to return to the island with Jack, Hurley & Sayid, etc.
Kate will NEED to reunite Aaron with Claire.
Ok...I only watched the first half of TBOTE last nite on ABC...I'm such a douche! I read the spoilers about Hurley flying into the big pile of fruit in a high speed pursuit that would open the season premiere. But it wasn't until last night that I realized he was driving the 74 Camaro that he and Cheech (his dad) put together back in 'Tricia Tanaka'.
When that detail popped up on screen, I was like..."I am a dumb ass!". I just thought it was some random car in Hurley's "fleet" of cars....but that car was special! Then I went and got shitfaced in a sports bar...anybody else get surprised by the "enhanced" version? -
Well Node, your Sparty's are up tonight and I'm calling it a win for ya. Memphis is eff'd. I will be rooting for MSU, beside the pistons, its all I got for B ball. Oh, and GO BLUE in the CCHA tonight! I'll be flipping channels, if the CCHA is even on.
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I should know I watch too much t.v.
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I love when commecials enter our subconscience to the point one feels obligated to have to correct a corporate tag line. I ironically feel sorry for dissing Ditech like that, shame on me.
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the Pole Vaaaaaaauult! I like to watch it and eat chocolate MAAAAAAAAAAAALT BAAAAAAAAAAAALLS. Going on vacation to Niagara Faaaaaaaalls. Takin a shit in the bathroom staaaaaaaall. That check I wrote you is NUUUUUUUUUULL and void.
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ahole...the shark on the chalkboard...was an homage to "Jaws"...not foreshadowing. That same drawing was on the chalkboard that Quint drug his fingernails across in the Town Hall scene in "Jaws"...think it was somebody having a laugh.
Node...the timeline of those Malkin Flashbacks aside...I think Malkin REALLY had a vision during the Claire reading...not unlike Whoopie Goldberg in 'Ghost' when Patrick Swayze started talking to her. I think Malkin WAS a fraud...until a very special preganant lady came to see him...and the fact that he actually got a "vibe" from her....scared the shit out of him...not unlike Whoopi's character. -
If he can play inside, on both sides and doesn't have a lapse tonight. I think with Raymar and him its a done deal. I just don't think Memphis has an answer. Nor the FT%
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I think Malkin was telling the truch and he was paid to scare Claire onto the plane. Ben and his peeps all talk about "The List" Who created this list? what does it list? Names? Attributes of some kind? I think so far the show has proven these people are not just connected by coincidence. I thought the point of the next seaason is how the O6 get back to the island and season after will be about what they do when they get back? I guess Claire could still be there and that would be a motivating force for Kate to take the risk and leave the States again. But I think the O6 or whoever goes back has to make the decision that they are going back to stay for ever. There would be no turing back for them. The question to me is why go back? What happened?
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Sorry to burst yer bubble:
JAWS
http://tinyurl.com/352deq
LOST
http://tinyurl.com/3dggtz
There's been one "Jaws" reference in LOST already...with Sawyer singin' "Farewell & Adieu" when he and Kate rowed the small outrigger boat from the Hydra island over to the main island...and of course...the Dharma Shark back in Season 2...
You add up all the Star Wars references...and you get a group of people who have a huge boner for all things Speilberg & Lucas. The shark on the chalkboard was an inside joke, ahole...nothing to get excited about. -
There will be TWO rescue attempts, Bobo. The one that gets the O-6 off the island w/o Penny Widmore's help. And the second one a few years later by the O-6 and Penny Widmore.
"With enough money and determination you can find anyone"...Penny will show up with her resources just when Jack is able to convince Kate & the rest of the gang that "They have to go back"!
None of them, barring perhaps Locke & Ben want to be on that shithole island "forever".
I'll venture to say that by the end of it, John LOcke will be the one to contact the outside world...get a message to Jack...that they are all in serious danger and need rescue.
But remember..."You must not use the microprocessor computer to contact the outside world"...when he does...all hell breaks loose.
And Vincent will be there to save the day.
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I think its time to shut down the Beach, Brody-man. Is it 4:20 yet? What about those GPS/Tricorder/Motorola Super Phones? I assume they use microprocessors and they reach a freighter that is part of the outside world. Nothing blew up yet, besides a Hatch and Dr. Arzt.
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pun intended. I just love rooting for the underdog is all.. and Louisville probably has the best chance of any remaining team to beat the heels so.. why not? GO TEAM PITINO!
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TRAVIS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLTON! And he's the key to this whold thing. Ask Ben.
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I'll be pullin' fer ya
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The patients made butterflies! On the wall. And fish.
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Doesn't it take seven years for someone reported as missing to be declared dead? and even with the faked 815 crash and Hugo reportedly dead, wouldn't him showing up alive with dental/DNA proof of identity be enough to have him "declared alive" and the fortune he thought he'd be "free of" reinstated.What I'm on about is, if Hugo Reyes has $150,000,000.00 and feels "they need you," he's on good terms with Jack and feels sorry or guilty that he didn't stay with 'Team Jack' instead of going off with Locke's group, and Jack says "We have to go back!"... then with all due respect to Penny's love of Dez and Mr. Widmore's fortune and the mysterious Mr. Abbadon's connections, whatever they might be, IF the series is leading to a sixth season post-flash forward denouement return to Lost Island to rescue those left behind (assuming anyone alive IS left behind), who better to finance the attempt than someone who has, and doesn't want, a hundred and fifty million dollars?Just sayin'.
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in my car today. You'll like this, node (and bigE). ALL day, how superior teams like Memphis, Louisville are over Big10 teams. We are PAINFUL to watch, no talent thugs wo (gasp) play strong defense and control the ball on offense. MSU and UW have no chance...if they happen to get lucky and all the calls go their way, and they getto the elite 8, they will be embarrassed in that round. Big Ten in B-Ball and football, slow and ugy and ca't compete with SCC, ACC, Pac 10, Big East. The ignorance was astounding. Be thankful you don't have to listen to this shit.
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Dude...get your ass over to imdb.com and type in JAWS now!...and make sure you click the 1975 version...not JAWS 2, 3 or, God forbid, JAWS 4.
My screen name Cheif Brody...(which, yes Bobo, I know is spelled wrong)...he's the lead character battling a killing force unrivaled in cinematic history.
It's as if God created The Devil...and gave him...JAWS!
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Oh...I agree, Mr. Millionaire Reyes could certainly finance the 2nd rescue attempt...if he isn't murdered before it ever gets off the ground...But if Hugo IS still alive when the time comes to "Go Back"...I think it will be a combo of his $$$ and Penny's resources that helps them do it.
And, Bobo...It would suck if Locke simply used a satellite phone to call Jack and say..."Come get us". Totally lame. No. John Locke will find another hatch...another computer station...and he will once again...be "pushing the button"....this time to get EVERYONE rescued.
With Vincent's help, of course.
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I don't think this is a rescue attempt at all. They were never sent to that island to take people off of it. I think Team Jack manages their "rescue" by force. With Sayid at the controls of the helicopter.
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i'll be catching up on my Torchwood until then...
gotilk- on fridays everyone and everything is brilliantly hilarious...thank f&cking jeebus, the weekend is here!
hey, michael, what is another word for a simple tumble?
summersAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUULLLLT!!!
edshrinker/ripper king - i'll take that link for some LOST d/ls when you get the chance. do you also do BSG?
general comment for Ben Linus: You're one of the good guys, you say? I do not think that means what you think it means.
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Before anything, ANYTHING, I'm a lifelong Michigan Wolverine. I bleed maise and blue. I know the criticism the Big 10 gets.. it's all biased, man. In football, anyways, we're damned good. Solid defensively, take our time to make the smart plays, and have great tradition. Yet season after season, the media pays attention to SEC, Big East, USC, whatever. I'm sick of it too.
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Loved that post, bobo! Lost and MSU in the same sentence! Go Spartans tonight! Thanks for that great post Node! And ed, I'll be pulling for your badgies too, though it's hard to do that lately! Where are we on the mini-watchback? I don't get my Season 4 discs back until Sunday.
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For Lost, what season/eps do you need? I have all of the season 4 eps, if you need 1-3, I can give you a link to a very reliable source that I get mine from when I want them.
I will be doing BSG starting with the 2 specials tonight. For past seasons, again, I can steer you in the right direction.
ANd this assumes you use BitTorrent. That is my P2P preference.
BigE - we just watched S04E01. Moving on to Presumed Dead after the weekend. Good luck tonight to you and Node both. Kick Memphis' ass. Go MSU. Go UW. Go Big 10!
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If I hear about "TEAM SPEED" one more fucking time next year I'll drop out like Minkowski. Since 2000 we have beat UCLA, Stanford, Auburn, and Arkansas (with McFadden and Felix Jones in the backfield)in bowl games. Team speed doesn't do too much when you knock them on their ass play after play. And if remember right, Manningham was pretty damn fast, wasn't he?
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but if tonight is NBAA play-by-play night at the Lost talk-back, I'll be doin' my taxes, taping that Juliette Margulies show to watch later and having my nasty Juliet-AnaLucia JuliAntasies.Now if it was a combination women's basketball/cat fight contest where the losers have to dribble (and drool) on the winners, then I'd be watching.
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And can we talk about that too?
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will u-torrent do?
bsg special? (this is what happens when you don't have cable....) i want it!
i'm just starting to get the urge to watch LOST from the beginning. maybe start with all of season 1 in a d/l. i usually used tor-spy to find stuff and it is now gone gone gone and i am a bit lost as to where to go. plus i keep hitting rar files with many parts which are new to me to deal with. help? and thanks. -
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MSU going Roadhouse tonight! Cheif, take note please...
by bobo walks like a man
Cheif, I wasn't baggin on your name. It was a ref to the cheeba, if it came off awkward, I apologize. I know the ref, and it top notch.
Mr. Ahole, Brodyman says, "Smile you sunnuvabitch!" nuff said. Jaws is top 10 on my list of all time. Diggit like digits.
Recognize
I call into sports talk on occasion, to make fun of most of the tards that call in. "It's laughable! HA HA HA!"
I see the angle Cheif, and I dig it. Hugo is Daddy Warbucks to the operation. And Vincent is clearly the Metallic Owl in this Clash of the Titans of Jack and Ben.
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Like as in DAAAALLLLLLLTTTTTon!
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Because reasonable fans don't listen to the hype of talk shows
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amen. we've got it, but we have and can be beat.
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I'm cautious rather than exaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuullll lllllllltttttttttttting our praises.
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72-68. Final score of UNC's 1st game of the year.
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That Curry kid is a better shot than his dad. Davidson is really impressive. And we were terible. But I can't take anything away from Davidson - they can shoot lights out and their D is better than I thought.
Well, RB, I don't have to worry about your Heels killing us at least!
And Xiphos - the fact is, Big Ten teams routinely GET to the National Championship game. Yeah, the useless poisonous nuts (OSU) have let us down. But I look at MY team, Wisconsin, and their record in Bowl games against SCC and Pac10 teams. We have beat some of the best this decade - all the teams I just mentioned. We have done our part.
And FYI, when I was a senior, we went to the Rose Bowl against a very good UCLA team. All we herd was, tea speed, team speed, team speed. We caused 9 fumbles in that game. They had NEVER been hit like that before. JJ Stokes fumbled 4 times after receptions. That pattern has repeated itself in our bowl games all through the 90s and 2000s. I'm proud of what they have put together with UW athletics. We used to just graduate kids. Now we graduate kids AND have a top-end program. Don't even get me started with Hockey. Back to LOST. Go GET EM MSU! IT'S up to you now! -
so much for your badgers, ed. they tried. Still, rest assured cinderella has their toughest match ahead of them. and probably won't make it through.
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about Rodriguez, Xiphos. I don't think he will have the recruiting success he had in WV. And UM fans will turn on him QUICK.
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More Lost coming up soon! But only 20 more minutes for my poor MSU Spartans. Man they are getting pounded tonight!
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I was thinking the other day about this and I don't have the ep downloaded or recorded, but did Miles say how much money was in the case he found at the haunted house? With the older black lady? I'm just wondering if the amount in that case was $3.2 million and if it ties into his conversation with Ben. I know, I know, there hasn't been much evidence that his number is significant, but by the same token I agree with Ben. 3.2 is too specific. People have been trying to convince me to let that go, but I can't.
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http://tinyurl.com/3xlefacheck out the picture of Ben at the Pa's Room 23 blog site. Yeah, everyone loves it when the lying sniveling rat bastridge gets the crap beaten out of him (could it be the Island's healing power that keeps getting him back up again?) but poor Michael Emerson. That picture looks like Ben just had an exploding cigar go off in his face.
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That's 26 days too many. I'm dying here.
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Hey hey hey. Snivelling? Lying, maybe. Rat? Could be, depending on your definition. Bastridge? I don't even know what that means, so I can't comment. But snivelling? No. The last time Ben snivelled he was a little boy. Then he got wise about the island. And has not snivelled since. If you can give me an example of snivelling from adult Ben (genuine snivelling, not pretend snivelling to gain an advantage), then I'll... um... be wrong.
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through a spinal surgery with a severed artery WITHOUT anaesthetic. All due respect and admiration for Sayid and Des and Locke and Sawyer, but they are puff pastry next to Ben.
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Out of curiousity I peeked in on the "Vern's DTV Triple header" thread - over 6400 posts and it's just four guys discussing action movies.and when the Terminator 4 title-parody-fest clocked over 3800 three main guys accepted the challenge to go for 4000 and just worked at in non-stop until they hit the mark and passed it.Proud accomplishments to tell the grandkids about or just deranged loners with way too much time on their hands?I watched the first 3 Journeyman episodes and just couldn't get into it. I hear it got better.
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Sniveling just seemed like somenthing a rat bastridge would do. And I think bastridge is something vulgar tough guys in code approved comics say - I'm thinking Lobo, maybe?As for Ben, how about conniving weasel instead? It's still a pretty damn funny photo what I linkta. The combination of the eyes and the touseled hair gives him that Oliver Hardy indignant "Why me?" expression.
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are a couple of the most interesting characters currently on televsion. Them and Bree Van De Kamp-Hodge. So sue me. When Ben delivers a single line of dialog more devastating than Bree's "Rex cries when he ejaculates," then we'll talk.
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Being unemployed and reclusive I detach from the clock, sleep when I get tired, work when I'm alert, have no trouble sleeping when I'm not hepped up on coffee or green tea or Pepsi Max or that tasty new Cherry Chocolate Dr. Pepper, and sleeping by day lets me avoid the bill collector phone bills (fatal medical bills, I'm afraid.)I Googled the lady you mentioned and lucious is the word - nice pics and with Safe Search disabled they get better. One step above mocking someones name is nit-picking on a typo, but it is Bloodgood. Moon Bloodgod sounds cool, though. Like a mid to late '70s issue of Marvel Preview. (Moon Knight, Bloodstone, Woodgod...) maybe if Heroes ever gets to the point where they're doing costumes, capes and supervillains with code names they can have a character named Blood Moongod.I've had the entertainment Weekly with Seth Myers and Amy Poehler on the dining room table all week and if that guy has any acting shops at all someone should cast Seth Myers as a super-villain. He's no Michael Emerson but that guy has one sick grin.Almost sorry I gave up and missed Journeyman when it got good, not that I'm a Neilsen Household anyway. But I watch way too much TV as it is, I sample a lot of new shows as they debut but only stick around if it grabs me with the first episode or has a couple really hot babes in the cast. Not that I have conventional or mainstream tastes in "hot babes". Dr. Lisa Cuddy on House makes me squirm and I totally have a fan-crush on Michaela Conlin from Bones. And that Sandra Oh is one sexy Canadian.
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More hours wasted on playing little mini-games!
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has anyone seen it? worth the watch?
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was not on last thursday and was really excited--only to realize that their dreams had been shattered? Anyone?
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Ben came dangerously close to a snivel in The Other Woman. The "that you're MINE" line was a spoiled, sniveling little brat not getting what he wants - IMO.
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The DTV greets LOST!Keep it up guys!
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We all knew - you were the only one! But I was kind of hopin' for a Lost episode, and they did have that "enhanced" ep.
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So my Spartans lost and I'm going through my college basketball season ending hangover ... what's new on the Lost front? If you guys haven't checked out pa's blog, do so. Some good stuff there at lostroom23.blogspot.com
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I said I had a basketball hangover. At least I'm on Spring Break this week! Any other educators out there? MP, you said you had a break last week, right? How about youguysgotanymilk? What's your situation?
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The MiSfIt is at it again! He's uncovered something we missed about Naomi! Check out the blog of the world's top Lostigator at http://themisfitishere.blogspot.com/
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are the people that comment on the stories, telling him he's an idiot and a weirdo and he's got it all wrong.
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I think they are real comments over at the MiSfIt's. Most of them - the ones that say "you're a moron - that's not a real picture, that's from another movie" etc... are from that percentage of people out there that just can't get sarcasm at all. But it sure is part of the fun!
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Here I am, about to turn 40 - and just gettig into comics. Angel-After the Fall was so good, I now am up to date on Buffy and reading Y:The Last Man.
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Is fantastic. Tho the stories are set BEFORE the events of Serenity. Certain dead crew are alive and well and a part of the adventure. As well as Blue Hands. So far, so good. I'm hooked.
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nice blog, pa. read the Ausiello post about the finale.. what the hell could a Frozen Donkey Wheel be a codename for? What could the twist be?
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the new EW mag? They have pics of Katee Sackhoff....you just have to see t to believe it. Wish I had a scanner. Just OMFG. Not even recognizable. I'm lookin for a clue in the article that the pic is of a new charater. But it's not. IT IS HER.
I am stunned.
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You're right, Ed. That was pretty close. I'd say it was closer to a tantrum than a snivel, but I'll concede that the Man nearly lost his cool. I humbly submit that IF he had lost his cool there it wouldn't have resulted in a snivel, but more corpses. I'm Team Ben, but my captain can be a crazy dick for sure. And Nap Park, THANK YOU for the Bree reference!!! It's good to know that I'm not the only Lost fan who also partakes of the Wisteria Lane. Incidentally, a partnership between Ben and Bree? Scariest. Duo. Ever.
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Twister..the mid 90's 'blockbuster'..haha
2 losties....numero 1.......Dan Farrady was in it
Numero 2: Frogart was in it....
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rattle off a random movie or tv show and through its cast members link the subject to lost in six or less... you know the drill *cough*kevin bacon*cough*
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Good to C U dude! Any calls for your teaching talents?
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I wouldn't want to alienate either the Lost-only fans or the typical AICN sci-fi fantasy only fans - or our host, the well known DH hata Herc - by carrying on about a certain Sunday night evening soap opera parody which I have enjoyed since it debuted.But some things rarely happen. I usually try to avoid internet abbreviations. I only type LOL if I really laughed out loud and I have never typed OMG! before. Also, I always thought "chills ran up my spine" was just an expression.But OMG, chills ran up my spine at the thought of a Ben Linus - Bree Van De Kamp team up. Shrewd, manipulative, controling, thoughtless. The character started out as a joke, the writer channeling his hostility towards his mother, a sort of Martha Stewart taken to an extreme. But Marcia Cross took that character and ran with it (which is why she's on the cover of the latest EW).If any Losties here think this is hyperbole and a suburban housewife can't compare to the wicked Ben Linus, let me mention that when her son hit and run a neighbors mother, she got out and scoured the blood off the road. When a man tried to get her attention by ODing she sat by his bedside assuring him help was on the way and slowly let him die. Okay, things like committing breaking and entering to get a pie recipe is a little over the top, but then the show IS a comedy. I don't think Ben would be afraid of her, but I do think he'd respect her as an equal (and try to get her killed).I will mention this, though. While DH got my attention right from the up-fronts description, it never went in the direction it could have, based on the original description. You realize that Mary Alice killed herself in the opening scene of the first episode and now her ghost haunts the Lane and she sees and hears everything that happens and spies on all her old friends day and night - including their nocturnal carnal activities. How weird is that?I know it's impossible for soap operas to tie up all loose ends, but I'd love a bookend series finale episode guesting Ghost Whisperer Melinda Gordon visiting Wisteria Lane to cross Mary Alice over into the light.[And all the Lost fans here are rolling their eyes thinking "A show with a ghost, how stu... oh wait, Jacob."]
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Ironically, of shots of the Mach 5, tho. Trixe/Ricci is (one word)smokinhot in that get up Ahhh, the adolescent fantasies...
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Lost: Locke Terry O'Quinn was Director Kendall on JJ Abram's Alias (and "(You All) Everybody" was once heard on that show.)Victor Garber, Alias spydaddy Jack Bristow plays Jordan Wethersby on Eli StoneLoretta Devine, Patti on Eli Stone, not only recurs on Grey's Anatomy but was Marla Hendricks on Boston PublicFyvush Finkel, Harvel Lipshultz on BP was Douglas Wanbaugh on Picket Fences (though it was tempting to go with Jeri Ryan to see where James Woods leads...)Kathy Baker (Dr. Brock on PF) recently appeared as Allison's mom on Medium.Sofia Vassilieva, Ariel on Medium, was Cindy Brady in "The Brady Bunch in the White House" (2002)It's easy to make these if you use IMDb but I admit I'm never any good at just figuring them out - my mind is too full of 'important trivia' like who played in which British Invasion or psychedelic era bands or the names of inkers from '60s and '70s Marvel comics.
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Posting pics of Juliet to boost traffic to your lost blog! Well played, my good man!
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I know quite a few of us already get EW magazine. Pa and I do, for starters, and a few other regulars do as well. Which leads me to my EW story! The old Room 23 crowd might remember this. I won a contest at the EW online site back in December, and my "prize" was to get my photo in the actual magazine (I already got my ugly mug posted on their website several times.) So my wife e-mailed my family, friends, and co-workers the story, but we are STILL waiting to see my picture in EW. At this point, I think they're waiting to start up the contest again (Box Office Challenge - pick the top movies at the box office for about 12 straight weeks. I won the Fall challenge - out of a couple thousand competitors). Every week when the issue comes out I parse through it from cover to cover. Not to be a bigger nerd about it than I already am, but I'm thinking of e-mailing them and asking what the deal is. Other than that, I really like EW magazine. They give Lost a lot of love.
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Hello. Welcome to another episode of "Hey, Michael!" and here for the second week in a row is our returning champion Michael Dawson. Hey, Michael.YOU BASTARD! What have you done with my boy?Now now, Walt's fine and you'll be reunited with him very soon, but first I need you to do something for me. I need you to answer a series of simple questions. To begin with, what combination of keystrokes summons the Windows task manager and allows you to halt an unresponsive program in windows XP?Control Aaaaaalllltttttt! delete!Who wrote Johnny Got His Gun?Daa-aalllttton Trumbo!Lead singer for the Who?Daaalllttttry!Synonym for blameFaaa-aaullltt!Now here's a tricky one. The "I Am A Rock" singing duo Simon and Garfunkel were also known by what names?Paaauuuulll and Art!No, I;m sorry, the answer we were looking for was "Simon and Garfunkel had their first charting hit with "Hey Schoolgirl" which they recorded under the name Tom & Jerry." I did warn you it was a trick question. let's continue. If chickenfeed is not for poultry, it is what sum of money?Paaa-aaa-aalllltry!That was an easy one. This fine grained lava rock is gray in color.Basaaa-aaa-llt!You're doing very good. Where do banks keep valuables?Vaaa-aaullltt!Praise Jesus!Exaa-aalllt!One last question. You're doing fine. Are you nervous? For the freedom of your captive kidnapped son, we want the name of a type of boat that a rich person would own. What? A what? Wait, let me think... a skiff, paddlewheel, cruise ship, personal submarine, kayak, hydrofoil, cigarette boat... What the hell kind of a question... a rich person can afford any damn boat he wants.I'm sorry, the word we were looking for... wait, the judges are conferring... And they say that "any kind of boat they want" is techincally a correct answer, but the way the question was phrased, we needed the name of a specific type of boat. We were looking for "Ya-aa-aacht!" but would have also accepted "Freighter".I WANT MY SON, YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!Now Michael, there's no need to Shoouutt! The boy is fine, and you'll be back again next week to play more "Hey, Michael". Meanwhile, there's someone I need you to kill for me...
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We'll get there - hang on, brothers!
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Google those words - you get over 418000 links! What the heck does it all mean???
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so I just went and posted 20 fake titles at the X-Files 2 article just to see if I could move it into the top ten. I did that. Me. Becouse someone told me not to. What a complete tool.
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marine?(other tb) no wonder starbuck gets you all bent out of shape. but somehow i think you also like it a bit, in that frustrated, 'i really shouldn't' kind of way. and it is a picture of katee sackoff, not starbuck, and if you ask me she's looking like she's trying to channel Six (and looking pretty great at it). Found an older photo of her in EW online where she looks a little Gwen Stefani. Also an okay photo of Evangeline Lilley in the mix. i think she looks a bit pained and, really, she generally looks much better in her no makeup, let's go get dirty with the fish biscuits, tank and jeans mode.
caprica 6 katee: http://tinyurl.com/36cng3
gwen stefani katee: http://tinyurl.com/2qxrkk
photo of evangeline: http://tinyurl.com/2t7k23 (for your room 23 site perhaps, 4we8?) happy sunday, all.
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Let me know when you have finished it. As I have recently read it and would definiely like to discuss some of the ideas. Though there is just so many. I am not a religious person and would best describe myself as a secular humanist, and I find VALIS so interesting as really its about the search for truth and understanding of the world. Though I am sure differnet people read different things into the book. Which is really part of it as well.
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Maybe you have seen more glam shots of Ms Sackhoff than I. The whole page pic on page 28, I did not recognize her AT ALL. She looks more like Carrie Underwood in that pic than anything I've seen Katee do before. But that's my point - I haven't seen many non-Starbuck shots of her.
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I'm working on som captures - pics o Evangeline Lilly from Eggtown (made up, short skirt) with Island Kate. I'll throw it up in the blog when I am done with the captures. Maybe you can do a poll. I know whch one looks cuter to me.
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Well Node, does it take any of the sting of Friday's loss away after watching Memphis do the same thing to Texas today? Helped me a little bit, actually. Spring Break and no Lost. Where's ChrisV with a top 10 list when you need him? Chris, where are you bud?
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I don't know if there's any logic to how IMDb chooses which pictures to feature up top on a shows page - if it's popularity or frequency of being clicked or just random. But the last time I checked there they had a picture of Goth Claire in the top row. I realize Goth goes over the top in regards to "full makeup" but that wasn't even a relatively recent episode and yet people - including some Lost talkbackers - seem to continue to obsess over it.
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I've been vocal her over the years as one of the head cheerleaders in the kill Kate movement. Whenever the promos announce a character will die I'd cross my fingers. Now, having flashed forward and seen that she's "Of the Six", I realize it ain't gonna happen.This has nothing to do with why I don't like Kate or the JackKateSawyerJuliet romantic quadrangle, but what's up with her chin? You know how you meet someone with a bean sized wart or a dime sized dark mole on their face and you spend the whole time trying not to look at it until it's all you can see? or maybe that's only shallow immature peole like me. anyway. Evngeline Lilly has this weird Idon' know what you'd call it, like a fold or bump running diagonally down from the right side to the center of the lower part of her chin. I have nothing against chin dimples or clefts but i've never seen anything exactly like that before and I find it very distracting. She even had it in her phone chatline ads - that's how you immediately knew it was her.Has anyone else ever noticed this or am I just nuts? (Those are not mutually exclusive, of course.)It's not like it ruins her for me. She's a very attractive woman. And I don't even mind Tina Fey's scar. But hasn;t anyone else ever noticed that? What's up with kate's chin? I think the shows make-up people missed an opportunity in the pilot episode when they were giving everyone wounds. If they'd given her a gash on the chin (shut up, inner beavis) then that fold on her chin would be explained and it would actually have healed nicely.
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This show does seem to plan ahead to establish things well in advance of when their needed.Remember the scene in the Geena Davis movie "the Long Kiss Goodnight" - she's an amnesiac former spy who rediscovers her skill with knives. she's amazingly fast at chopping vegetables and thinks that maybe she's a chef, then in her exuberance tossed a totato in the air and nails it to the cupboard doow with a thrown carving knife, then shrugs ans says "Chef's can do that."In a very early episode, when people are still milling around on the beach, Locke shows up with a suitcase full of knives and throws one into the log Sawyer is leaning up against to get everyone's attention. Three years later he drags himself out of a pit, shows up and puts a knife in Naomi's back. Everyone (viewers0 wonder why he's not dead after Ben shot him where his missing kidney should have been, but since they foreshadowed Locke's knife throwing ability, no one asked "Paper salesmen can do that?"
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At one point John Locke was one of the shows coolest characters. For one thing, Terry O'Quinn was The Stepfather. for another, Locke has that cool above and below the eye scar thing going, just the way Ian Fleming always described James Bond's fencing scar. Also, old and bald, which is way cooler than all those scruffy McDreamys on those other shows.We learn his back story, how he went to Australia to go on a walkabout. We picked up "Never tell me what I can't do" as a battle cry.In later seasons O'Quinn complained that Locke was being wimpified. Yet another Lostie with daddy issues, obsessively punching a button because of what might happen if he doesn't.But he's been seemingly indestructible. He survived a plane crash that killed 200 people, got up and walked. When he fell and hurt his leg in the jungle he had a moment of fear, but then got back up again. The damage that bomb blast door did to his leg should have crippled him all over again, but he healed. Ben left him to die in a pit but he dragged himself out and survived a gunshot because a vision told him to.Along the way he's turned into a rather destructive force of nature. He blew open the hatch in the face of Hurley's urgent warnings not to. He trashed the computer terminal to see what would happen if the numbers weren't entered. He blew up the submarine. He couldn't actually kill his own father, but he found someone else to do it for him. He tossed a knife in Naomi's back to stop her from making a phone call.Sawyer can't get past Michael killing two women and betraying several of the survivors in order to save his son, but Locke kills a woman - with no real results, since Jack then picked up the phone and took the call - and Sawyer thinks joining Team Locke is the key to what he alwys does - survival.A few snarky snipers dropped in here with a "Locke is gay" theory. I doubt it. I think he just doesn't trust women any more (re various flashback experiences) and is too old to really worry about his libido any more.Some of his actions still remain inexplicable. He doesn't want to leave the island, fine, but wasn't blowing up the sub so no one else could leave a bit of overkill? And remember his first encouter with "the moster in the woods" that we now know as 'the smoke monster'? Locke gazed up at it with an expression of joy as if he were seeing a vision or having a spiritual revelation. That's not something I'd get based on Smokey's encounter with Mr. Eko.And if we look at it objectively and not automatically rooting for him and being on his side, isn't wanting to go on a Walkabout when, uh, you can't walk... a little odd?Way back in the early days there was a theory that the reason Locke could walk now was that he was confined to a wheelchair mainly by psychological reasons. Once we saw him fall from a sixth story window that theory was dismissed. Maybe that thought needs to be revisited.Being betrayed by his father and learning to mistrust the women he cared for must have left him deeply disturbed. Although wasn't his obsession with a phone sex girl oddly sad and misguided? Perhaps his cool James Bond scar is actually symbolic of even deeper mental scarring.I don't mean to offend the Lost fans here who have alligned themselves with Team Locke, but isn't our "man of faith" on shaky grounds, putting his faith in things he doesn't clearly understand and hoping for the best? (That may be "faith" but Stevie Wonder also labeled it as "Superstition".) Given his history of erratic bahavior and his recent violent hijinks, perhaps the question isn't "Is Locke going crazy" but "when was John Locke ever NOT crazy?"[poom] = Napoleon Park =
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Mr. R (no way am I going to call you by that first name) being a Locke fan comes easier if you comt to the show as a Terry O'Quinn fan. He's been acting since '80 when he was in the hugest disaster of a film of all time, Heaven's Gate. I first noticed him in 1987's "The Stepfather. (the first one is a masterpiece, the needless sequel was not that bad - avoid the thrid one.)He's worked regularly and has had impeccable taste in picking roles on sci-fi and fantasy genre shows (a appearance on ST:TNG, Tales fro The Crypt, Earth 2, a regular on Millennium, recurred on harsh Realm, appeared on Roswell, two roles on X-Files, roles on JAG, West Wing, Alias.The guys a heck of an actor and if anything he brings too much charisma and likeability to the role of crazed John Locke.Too bad about your aversion to John's considering it's such a common name. I could do without Jeffs, myself.Don;t put yourself out, AR, but once Lost hits syndication try to catch up with season one - it's when the show was at it's best (with the current season close to catching up with it.) and the first Locke flashback episode is widely considered to either be the best episode of that season or the second best following the pilot.
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I read the articles that come my way without going out of my way to seek out spoilers. Where did you read that the entire series to date wraps up over the upcoming handful of episodes and the next two years - the final 32 episodes - occur after the Oceanic 6 rescue.Is that in stone somewhere? Actually it makes sense - Sept. 22 to Christmas would actually give them about a week left if the statements made about them being on the island for 100 days are accepted as canon. But pacing wise, one episode of the show doesn't always add up to one day. I mean, hasn't it been Christmas Eve for several days now on the series? Or did Christmas come and go without one person on the show acknowledging it? That would be odd, even atheists, agnostics and members of other religions are usually at least aware of when Christmas occurs.It's hard to adjust tone of voice online and tone down the sark, so let me assure you, 4we9have15to16go23back42, that I'm not trying to be rude or confrontational when I say this, but when you state as a flat out signed deal accepted fact that the Six are rescued at the end of the current season, 1. sez who? and 2. if it is true, shouldn't you slap up a spoiler warning on something like that?
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Furwee includes some opinion and feedback in his posts, and I enjoy reading that. Spoilerific stuff is less fun. Some people are cool with it, though, so yeah, maybe just starting a post with a big CapsLock SPOILER WARNING!!! would be helpful.
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Much as the character annoys me at the moment, he really is pretty amazing. Take all that sense of confidence, mysticism, and bad-assery he carries but tone it down and you've got the awesomeness of S1 Locke. It was only when he developed that weird sense of entitled zealotry that I started wanting to kick him in the teeth.
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But only 16 more days to do your taxes!
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thanx for the reminder but I got mine done and in the mail over the weekend. I keep planning to do themn in feburary but that never happens. and I have had a few of those years when they get done on the evening of the 15th and then driven to the PO to get in the mail before midnight. As thrilling as that is, I can do without the excitement.Maybe having so much crap on TV in late March and early April is a government plot to give people free time to get their paperwork done. Sounds like a big Brotherish sort of thing to do.
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The Locke that blew up the sub - a real self-righteous jerk. The Locke that beat the crap out of Mikhail - awesome!
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Hey, I've finished my taxes by the end of February the past few years. But I've put it off this year. Don't know why - 4 kids at home = 1 nice healthy tax return!
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for the 1st time. I had never rewatched a season before and everything you say about Locke is spot on. He was so understated, but so cool in the 1st season. He knew how to do so much survivalist stuff, had I not known better I would have thought he was CIA or something. But he didn't wear the badassness on his sleeve. He deferred to Jack as a leader. Told Jack he needed to be the leader.
Now, he is making one false assumption after another (computer numbers, Naomi, Hugo lets on there are more bad decisions on the way).
I still like the guy. I think he would give his life for another and he really wants to protect the 815ers. But he wants to protect his precious island more - however he thinks he can do that.
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Anyway, for a funny Vick cartoon, go to my blog at this link and scroll to the bottom. I also posted the best bits of the Vincent article on Paul's Room 23 site. But here's mine if anyone is interested in a chuckle:
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I still think Kate may be a plant.
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How's that for a blast from the past? Dude, you were like a legend in node 32774. Now if pdjon and Novaman show up, I'll be impressed!
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A stand up comic once did a joke - a one liner, really: "Wang computers: shouldn't someone have told them?"I realize your name doesn't have a hyphen in it, but still, the term "a-hole" is often used - especially by rude internet posters = as a vulgar insult that compares a person to a rectal orifice. No, I don't know why you'd call yourself that if it was a made up name. I assumed it was a way of immortalizing something you used to call one of your teachers, like Lynyrd SkynyrdI suspected that was the pronunciation, but thought that would be spelled Ajole.Sometimes words have different meanings - especially slang meanings - in different languages. TV Produce Gary marshall has a story he t ells on talk shows. he was syndicating the popular happy Days spin off series "Joanie Loves chachi" in various countries around the word and in one country - I forget which one, so let's say Korea - the show unexpectedly debuted at #1. He wondered why so he made some calls and eventually found out that in that country "Chachi" was slang for the male procreative member. People were tuning in expecting to see a show about a young woman who loved phallus. You can see how such a mis-assumption would lead to jocular results.
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I havent heard that story before.
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Joanie Luves Phallus
It would still be on TV today.
Pa - I'm quite sure I just used one of the templates. I have d/led a whole bunch of Dharma logo stuff, I'll email you what I have. The whole Diet Dharma Dew has me on a kick of wanting to move these logos on to stuff...just haven't figured out how yet. -
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Im going to have to go out now and ask a young girl to suck my 'Chachi'...great story
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you'd be going through alot too if you were trapped on a creepy island with people with shady pasts
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Mar 31, 2008 12:55:20 PM CDT
I guess it's like...the average american watches 4 hrs of tv eve
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imagine what else you could do with those 4 hours? or with the hours you spend/waste on this talkback? again you guys, too short. its too short.
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yeah...
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I just felt like I needed to say that. And I'm too lazy to search for it, too. Even though I'm posting in the Journeyman talkback, I'm still 100 percent here and reading everything.
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my hourly tv time will be jacked up an extra 3+ hours whenever the Indians are on.
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Everyday I wake up I go to it and see what's up. Fuck searching, especially on this site.
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or do you just not favorite websites in general?
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aintitcool, reddit, digg, thefuselage and myspace plus some other blogs and web2.0 sites. been reading an Iraqi blog from Baghdad, it's pretty good!
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I had no idea LOST was even a show until I turned it on right as the pilot aired. It was... fate.
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The Last Flight Of The Oceanic Sixby Randall Hugh Crawford - 3/31/08***The helicopter rocked and bucked as the engine strained.On the ground was a wooden crate of rations, a plexiglass case of emergency supplies and a heavy metal box of tools. Behind it various debris- straps, netting, bungee cords, mounting brackets. Everything that wasn't bolted down had been jettisoned - and some things that were. all the passenger seats were lined up like theatre seating, the nuts bolts and mounting brackets in a heavy nylon bag weighted down with a rock.Behind them, the bodies of the three men from the freighter who had died attacking the rescue party."It's no good, we're STILL too heavy. We'll never clear those trees. Someone has to get out!" shouted the pilot."I'll go!" said Kate. She was already heading for the door."No! My orders were to get Shepherd and Austen to the freighter. Without you, we don't go." Jack was soaked with sweat, leaning down hard, arms straining. His chest massage was the only thing keeping Hurley's heart beating.Sun's right arm was bandaged. Jin had stepped in front of her and taken the bullet meant for her - it had passed through the left side of his chest and barely grazed her arm. Jack had bandaged Jin's exit wound as well as he had time for and told Sun to apply pressure to the wound in his chest. The cloth she pressed to her husband's bosom was soaked red with his blood.Sayid huddled in the corner, the stench of cordite and the blood of the men he'd just killed still in his nose. He could still make out sporadic gunfire from over the hill. He winced guiltily at Claire's imploring look. But if he didn't get back to that freighter to warn him, Desmond would be dead man."Alright, I'll go!" Claire cried. She handed aaron off to Kate and climbed out. Desmond's vision had been correct - he'd seen Claire and the baby getting on to the chopper. But he hadn't seen her getting back off. Kate held the child out to his mother. Claire stepped back, eye's wide with horror. "NO! You take Aaron, Kate. Get him off of this damned island! Promise me, Kate, promise me you'll take care of my bay-bee!""Wait here for us, Claire. We'll come back for you!" shouted the doctor as the chopper lifted off the ground. Claire couldn't hear what Kate said over the roar of the engine but she saw her mouth the words"I promise!"***The helicoptor almost made it over the treetops - the right skid snagged in the high branches and tore off. The copter was off balance but Jack and Sayid shifted Hurley to the far right, near the door. He made good ballast.The engine was sputtering at it neared the freighter. it was barely above the surface of the water. The pilot yelled back "Too heavy! we can't get any more lift and if I set this thing in the water it's sink like a rock. Sayid, Kate - Jump! They'll drop you a raft. This
thing is running of fumes - get out NOW!""Sun, Sun, listen to me! Take the baby!"***"Get a liferaft in the water, now!" shouted the commanding voice.
Anderson didn't know when the hell Ben Linus started giving orders ion this tub, but
throwing in a raft for people in the water was a no brainer so he complied.Jin was drifting in and out of consciousness. His vision was too blurry to see the tears on Sun's cheek but her sad, brave smile reassured him that everything would be all right. She was holding a baby. Did she have the baby? His child?"Sayid and Kate hit the water the the chopper lifted to the surface of the deck - it almost made it to the landing pad when the engine died and it dropped fifteen feet, the remaining skid folding beneath it.Sun lost her balance and took her hand from Jin's chest but never dropped the child.A spurt of dark arterial blood arced up and rained down on sun and Aaron, a final blessing from Jin, his life for hers.Shepherd was still desperately massaging Hurley's chest, keeping his heart beating. He probably
didn't even feel the crash or notice the crazy angle the copter was tilted at on the edge
of the ship or hear the pilot desperately calling for a couple gurneys.***The pilot, the Captain and Ben Linus stood back and watched as three men and a woman arrived with two gurneys. Two of the men and Sayid struggled to drag Hurley on to one of them even as Jack kept pumping his heart."How's James?" he asked the woman, but he could tell by the sad haunted look in Juliet's eyes that they'd lost him.*** "Anything we can salvage?' asked the captain.The pilot shook his head. It had been a good ride but it was an empty shell now. Even if they had the tools to salvage the engine and rotors for spare parts, they'd already lost the other chopper. It wasn't like Widmore couldn't afford a fleet of them."Have some men push it overboard. It's just dead weight." Ben Linus was watching them pushing Reyes to the infirmary as he said it. What was Reyes doing here? Why did they bring Sayid? He hadn't asked for them.Sayid and Kate, soaking wet, made it up the emergency chain ladder and boarded the vessel. Kate was running toward Sun, who was holding Aaron and following the men pushing the gurney with her husband on it. Jin was covered with a sheet, his blood soaking through it.***Jack, Kate, Aaron, Sayid, Sun and Hurley were the six who made it off the islandalive. The Oceanic Six. James Sawyer and Jin Paik also made it off the island.***Claire woke up wrapped in an emergency blanket. She smelled food."Good morning, sleepyhead." came the kindly, paternal voice.John Locke looked a right little toy soldier in his khaki cargo pants and olive green t-shirt with his holstered pistol and his bandolier of throwing knives. He'd made a small fire with some twigs and was heating up one of the ready to eat meals in a mess kit pan.
"I hope you don't mind beef stew for breakfast. We have a good march ahead of us to
catch up with the rest of the group."
He was slicing a chunk from a piece of fruit with one of his big knives. he popped it
into his mouth.
"I think I should saty here. They're going to come back for me. Jack said they'd be
back."
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Disappointing. Otherwise a good read Nap.
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Series finale ending with a mystery/or cliffhanger.
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if they also had the LOST finale in theatres? That would be SWEEEET.
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Thanx.I accounted for The Six, I tossed in Ben (who we know lives), Juliet and the helicoptor pilot (nice guy.) And I accounted for Locke, Claire and had him reference additional survivors.Even though he was lying under oath, Jack said the official story was that there were eight survivors - The Oceanic Six and two who died. I picked Jin to justify Sun's tears at his graveside and thought it would be a cheat to kill off a minor character like Lance, Steve or Neil. And I want Rose and Bernard to live out their lives on that paradise island. Since Kate winds up single and doesn't want to return to the island, I thought Sawyer was the logical eighth survivor. who would you have picked? Who else is there?This was NOT the fan-fic I've been working on, which tries to account for some of the survivors we never met, including "bikini girl".
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Not "found", "unlost" or "loster". Think, it's the final episode. what could be more appropriate than...[pooom] ...LAST
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but still, uber-disappointing to see one of my favorite characters die so soon.Ever since season 1 I've had this vision in my head for the finale, of whomever adam and eve are(my bet is on jack and kate) finding the cave, laying down together and then...darkness. LOST.
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When LOST ends...there will be no more island for the new Adam & Eve to lay down in. It will be...no more.
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You are the last hope for AICN. I know we've digressed and talked about March Madness and Starbuck and other things, but this could be the last refuge of those who have a modicum of interest in real, semi-meaningful discussions of films or all things LOST. Today I logged on and we have 2 Title Spamming TBs, an Indy TB spouting that Spielberg peaked with ET, and a bunch of others with variations on "who cares" "you're gay", etc. What has happened? Is it the apocalypse?
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http://tinyurl.com/23zac2people can do what they want with their own computers and rumor has it some people surf the net from their work stations, so this won't persuade anyone.But keeping this talkback in the top ten isn't the point, it's the quality of the discussions we want here, not the quantity - especially now that the trolls have all dropped off.I'd be lost without bookmarks. I run with ten browsers (in case one dies - who thought Netscape would give it up?) Flashpeak Slimbrowser seems to load fastest for me. Most have favorite or bookmarks imported from IE or Firefox.I have a pantsload of sites marked. "The truth is out there" but only if you know where to look for it. I keep my resources very tidy with separate folders within bookmarks for e-mail, myspace, games, etc. Folders within folders; "Arts and Entertainment" contains TV, movies, music, comics, etc. and "Music" divides into music magazines, online radio, specific song links, online musical toys, etc. I have a "Daily" folder with most frequently used sites that update daily: AICN, IMDb, Yahoo sign-in, Fark, comic book bondage cover of the day, daily jumble, jigsaw puzzle of the day, Porn Thunder, Giveaway of the Day, etc.This Lost talkback may not stay in the top ten all month but it WILL keep going until the 24th. If you really can't bring yourself to bookmark it, write this down: http://tinyurl.com/23zac2 .That should bring you back here. Namaste.
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that so far it seems charlie died for no reason? sure he found out it wasn't penny's boat, but was that really worth dying for???
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There are a lot of trolls out there, I'll hand you that. And a few topics that hold no interest for me.I confess I have contributed extensively to the Terminator and X-Files title spam threads {check out my ten anagrams for X-Files Two). They're stupid and immature but what the hell, I'm old and impotent, diabetic and drug-free, so I'll take a little juvenile fun where I can find it. And last night the Terminator thread fell over 200 posts behind Indy 4 and those crazies managed to get it back up to #1 and break the 5000 post mark. How can you not admire that kind of madness?but as I said above, THIS Lost talkback is about quality of observations, not quantity of LOL and OMG! posts. And the few, the proud and the devoted will keep this going and on topic until... well, until a new Lost talkback bets posted on April 24th or late on the night of the 23rd. It's what we do. Our rallying cry: "Don't anybody try to tell us what we can't do."
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he didn't die for the information, he died so they could contact the ship and get rescued - he was already dying when he passed on the message that it wasn't Penny's ship but that wasn't why he died.Maybe, ultimately, contacing that ship wasn't a good thing. But the freighter was already there, it was coming. It would have made it to the lsland if not for Michael's sabotage. So Charlie died for what he thought was a noble cause, to save Claire and aaron, and because Desmond told him he would. The boat was coming, no matter what.
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the coordinates are 4.815, 162.342. Google Earth it.
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AICN is essentially one big media discussion group with dozens of topics divided up into catagories and articles.A perfect 'on topic' Lost episode node would contain discussion of one specific episode only, but it's not a perfect system. Within a few days after an episode airs most of the obvious observations have been made. At that point this turns into a chat amongst a community of "Lost" fans. Some of them might want to discuss sportsball or downloading or blogging and that's fine.And if we agree that "Lost" is the best/one of the best shows on television, it seems reasonable during it's down time to comment on the other "best" shows on TV worth watching while we wait for more "Lost". BSG and Dexter clearly have a strong fan base and excellent writing. To add to that line of thought, I only have basic cable and don't get BBC America, but lately my local PBS station has been carrying the recent series of "Doctor Who" along with the little making-of featurettes that acompany each episode, and it's quite good.And if the level of discourse here sometimes falters with easy observatioons, troll battles, cheap jokes or sex talk about Juliet's fabled cans, well, we're only human.
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anywaysjust watched Into The Wild for the 2nd time in 2 days. Excellent movie.. I'm so glad I saw it at this point in my life I completely understand the Supertramp's feelings at the time of his departure.
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There's no cure for "old". There's not cure for diabetes. One of the characters in the fan-fic I've been working on is a diabetic who lost his insulin and syringes and refuses Jack's treatment for an infection in his leg because he'd rather die than face having his feet and legs chopped off bit by bit or going blind. In my story the island can't cure everyone - you have to want to live.And impotence - or 'erectile dysfunction' as the cool kids all call it these days - doesn't matter unless you have a partner. Did I mention the obesity? We all know what a babe magnet Hurley is.If I went looking for some lost island, who'd take care of my el gato negro Shado? He's my bay-bee.
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Terry O'Quinn, or as he was billed here, Terence O'Quinn in a late 1980's movie called 'Blind Fury'..
Rudger Hauer adn Locke are old 'nam buddies and Hauer tries to get Locke's son to him casue some baddies want to kill his son(I dont know why)...but one scene was a flashback and Locke was crawling round the Vietnam jungle with a gun....good memories of our good friend John Locke...
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I'm betting that he lives through until the end.
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No psycho criminals (though I'm less than half done) but I have a racist character. But not a stupid one. He knows he's in a world full of blacks, Koreans, Iraqis, etc. and though he doesn't like it, he knows he's outnumbered.He keeps to himself, a loner, pitches histent about 300 yards further up the North beach than the rest and begins scraping out a hollow log with a stone. A month later he has a usable canoe. He's teased that he can't get off the island in a canoe but he takes some twine, bent pins and grubs, paddles out and brings back a dozen fish. He becomes the island's other fisherman - Jin uses a net, he uses a boat, hook and line. This proves his value to the rest of the group and allows them to overlook his anti-social eccentricities.No rapists or serial killers but one of the characters is a sexual sadist who survives a fractured back and has a spiritual revelation. He still has an active libido and has his eyes on Sun and Claire and Shannon but he wants to put that life behind him so he sets out on a solo quest into the jungle to be where he can never hurt anyone else again.
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Ben and Annie....you just never know
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I have been over, its great..just read teh podcast there....I aint contributed yet but will do my best to give some(any) inisght I may have...real good work..
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keep up the good fight, where's Big E with the countdown??
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The day does not truly pass until we get a BigE countdown check. Dude? Don't leave us hangin!
All you, everybody - need to check out Four We Ate's blog later tonight/tommorow for a new poll we are putting together - to put to rest the "which Kate is better" debate - Island Kate or Put together Kate. You hear me Xiphos? ;>} -
because she's hot too.
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You shall see what I mean. A picture is worth 1000 words.
Paul, I put up the pick and text - all that is left is for the poll to expire and you to put up another. I hope it is OK - I am sensitive to your "ideals" and I don't ever want to do something outside of that on YOUR blog. So edit away if you need to. It is quite safe though, I think. If you want to see one of the sweetest pics I have ever seen (being a dad, I think you'll like it). You can tell the little boy is trying not to crack up.
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have you seen this one? http://tinyurl.com/2ha7tu
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I was bindmoggled when you stated you were 40 and just now thinking about getting into comics. This is unlike my own experience.Watched animated cartoons on TV as a child, asked my mom to read me the newspaper comic strips, learned to read from comic books. that's right, Superman and Batman - and Bugs Bunny and Felix the Cat - and my mom - taught me to read. If "collecting" means accumulating something by buying it or being given it and then not throwing it away because you might want to have it later, then I collected comics for nearly fifty years. And only a couple of months ago informed At Your Service Subscription Service that I could no longer afford to order from them.I was "The Comic Book Guy," in appearance and knowledgeability if not contemptous tone for customers, for eight years at The Book Stop in Wyoming MI and wrote, drew, edited, photocopied, folded, stapled and distributed the comic shop monthly newsletter used by Between The Covers for six and a half years - 75 issues. That was a while ago and I'm nowhere as familiar with current comics now as I was then.If you're looking for something currently being published, you could do worse than DC's new series of "The Spirit", which is actually worthy of continuing Will Eisner's hero. If you are interested in Japanese history Usagi Yojimbo (the ronin rabbit) is the BEST survivor of the post-TMNT B&W boom of the '80s.If you are interested in recent material that might be affordable as back-issues - or available collected in trade paperback format - Well, where to start?If you have children to share with, the recent Gumby series by Bob Burden (creator of Flaming Carrot, which was the source of the Mystery Men movie) is a surreal delight. If you want a longer piece of work, get the entire series of BONE. If that's daunting, try to find AKIKO, which varied between single issues and continued stories. Wonderful stuff for the young at heart. Or look for the color edition of the original one-shot AKIKO ON THE PLANET SMOOIf you're not entirely adverse to soap opera (and don't hate lesbians) STRANGERS IN PARADISE, which completed it's long run earlier this year in a very satisfactory way, is simply the best comic series ever published. That's hyperbole, but well earned. If your curious about the graphic novel format, grab (or download if that's your thing) anything with the name Will Eisner on it. Well, you might not want his two how to create comics textbooks. Speaking of which, Scott McCloud's "Understanding Comics" is a terrific starting place. Oh, and every good thing you've ever heard about MAUS is true.I've starred clear of super-heroes, the genre I grew up loving. The last superhero book I collected was Jerry Ordway's "The Power Of Shazam" but since that was canceled, it's a bit of a dead end.You'll hear how great the Watchmen and Dark Knight paper back collections are (and contrary to popular belief, these are not graphic novels, they are comic books collected in book form) But if you don't have a background in comics you might not have the neccesary nostalgia to entirely appreciate them. Same for the recent "Justice League Vs. Avengers" mini-series, which I loved but was entirely an exercise in nostalgia and insider references for long time fans.I could go on and on on this topic (For simple and funny single issue comics look for back issue os "Elvira". And if you like Fantasy: "SANDMAN!") but I don't want to overwhelm you and, hopefully, there are some other comics fans here chomping at the bit to add their own recommendations.
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broadcasting the numbers over and over again... The numbers Danielle and Sam Toomey both heard in 1988, and then today I happened to do a bit of reading about the Lost Experience (never got that into it back in the day, though i'm a huge fan, just didn't have time).
Their explanation for the numbers is pretty great, and it hints that this story is more epic than many people believe.
For those of you who don't know why the numbers were being broadcasted, it goes a little something like this:
There's a mathematical equation called the Valenzetti Equation that is said to predict the end of the world. Each value in the equation (the numbers) represents a different factor be it human or elemental that will contribute to the end of the world. As it stands now, all these factors add up just perfectly so that the resulting value put the end of the world at a length of time that was too close for comfort for the those who discovered it.
Dharma was set up on the island in order to change at least one of the values of the equation in an attempt to thwart the end of the world. Their broadcasting of the numbers was their way of signaling to the outside (those that were aware of Dharma, listening on an encrypted frequency) whether or not they'd been successful. If the numbers changed, they'd know Dharma had reached its goal.
Of course, you know what happened next: Somehow, the frequency became unencrypted, and Danielle and Sam stumbled upon it, Ben betrayed Dharma, the numbers were never altered in time, etc.
Most of you probably knew this already but I thought it was great. The numbers broadcast never made sense to me until now. Seeing as how The Experience (at least the Hanso/Valenzetti Part) is considered Canon, looks like the End of the World is coming sooner than they think. Now if they'd only explain this on the show (not that I mind doing research, but the show would be more complete if they explained all this in an episode somewhere...) Perhaps the flashback where, after the purge, Ben is going through Dharma's documents and discovers that they really were trying to save the world, and takes up that cause himself. Or hell, maybe he knew before he purged them, and just thought he could do a better job...
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i was just looking at those pics of kate, and with all the makeup on she totally reminds me of ally sheedy at the end of the breakfast club. definitely better earthy and dirty on the island. and i must say i do like the low back sequinned dress on juliette.
ha! you posted that goofy picture! i think she (kate) had a stomach ache at that photo shoot.i just have a comment about the michael in/not in the coffin article. now, i really don't care whether michael is in the coffin or not, but i just don't find the argument all that compelling. call me a free thinker, but just 'cause one is black and one is white does not mean they are not family. my family is quite the rainbow assortment and i love it. definitely a better call to ask if they are family. It is much more likely than you may think. So there is still a 50/50 chance that he is in there, but i really doubt it. TEAM SAYMOND! yes, they were both aware that it was not Penny's boat. yes, they understand that they are not there to rescue them. yes, they are the only ones totally willing to take the risk and find out who and what these people really want. plus, Desmond will do anything to further advance his chances of finding Penny, including risking everything. and lastly, Sayid is one kickass mofo who won't sit back and wait til he gets told what to do (ala Locke), he takes action! TEAM SAYMOND! (hey, Xi!) -
Thus speaketh the math teacher.
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That is my tubby Lab, 120lbs worth. He's a pure bred, but definately the larger of the two (there's English and American, not sure which one is bred larger). His paws were HUGE as a pup, I knew he'd be a beast. Such a baby, though. My neighbor had a Mastif - you could ride that sucker it was so big and strong.
Napoleon - thanks for all the insight. I appreciate it. Fr now, I've been snobby and only looked into stories that I was already into (The Joss Whedon stuff), but now that I see how good Y:The Last Man is, I may look into some more by your suggestions. And I did have one set of comics as a kid - all the over sized original Star Wars comics. Man those were cool.
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Claire is my girl, but she is gorgous no matter what. I thought you'd like the name drop in Paul's blog, so I worked you into the arguement.
I don't think there is even a question about the other women where they are hottest - except for Kate. Sun - made up in a sun dress (pardon the pun), Claire - Anywhere (pardon the rhyme), Juliet (those cans are fantastic in any setting), Shannon - was she any different off-island? Seems to me she primped as much on the island - she was ALWAYS put together. Libby - off Island, meeting Des, not nuthouse, AnaL - no change on or off island, tomboy in each setting.
That cover it?
Nova - I hope we get a payoff for the Valenzetti Equation, but somehow I doubt it. We may get a notion as to the numbers and how they tie into things, but I doubt they're going to take ep(s) to bring the end of the world/Dharma/numbers/others arc all together. I hope I am wrong. -
THANK YOU BIGE!!!! Now the sun may set on the day.
Watch 4.2 for the TB on Tuesday! Let's see if we can breathe some life into this baby.
I rewatched over and over again the Ghostbusting scene - and I am still convinced they focused on that pic by the stairs on purpose. It changes frames after Miles does the job as well. Maybe that is all we are meant to see. But that still reminds me of that pic of Eko and Yemi. That along with the Heroin and money he found. Hmmm. See for youselves and tell me I'm wrong so I can put this idea to rest. -
watchmen, yes. dark knight, yes. sin city, yes. v for vendetta, yes. sandman, yes. spawn, yes. oh, so many more...... yeah, i grew up with a comic book junkie of a brother and a sci-fi/fantasy loving father. it was quite infectious.
vincent's kennel is priceless. i should see if i can send a picture of my pretty girl- her name is Des (pre-lost, no, really).
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Napoleon read your proposed ending to season 4, very interesting.
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karl's glasses (I was just at room 23 blog). do you think if i got a pair they might further enhance my lost viewing? they would probably give me more incite than the 'enhanced' episodes do. those episodes are such a waste of time. when they were playing HORSE - H is the 8th letter of the alphabet. O is the 15th letter of the alphabet. That is 815, the flight that crashed on the island. Big woop de frickin' do. i think perhaps they are trying to make a drinking game where every time one of the numbers comes up you have to do a shot.
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That is through this season we had caught up with the characters well past their return to the "world" from the Island, but I would really be interested in seeing what happened when they first got back, how it was presented etc.
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and checked out that fancy room of yours.... it changes so quickly over there i can barely keep up. excellent work. and karl's photo always cracks me up.
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goodnight. 24 more days seems like such a long time....
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I am intrigued how we are going to have so many episodes dealing with them trying to get back and wonder what additional issues or dimensions will be added.
I know there will of course be episodes/time spent on focusing on the guys still on the Island.
But what will the Oceanic 6 be doing, looking for the Island ?, Looking for transport ? and/or will it deal with the off island people i.e. Widmore, Dharma etc.
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and it says mine was the first. is this poll fairly new?
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You made a difference for us today in our little Journeyman home.
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I discovered Vincent had hair extensions. wtf?? that's so funny.
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The Last Flight Of The Oceanic Six up at 3/31/08.2.01.37 was just a bit of fan-ficting that occured to me when I woke up this afternoon. I didn't have a specific place in the canon for it in mind, but "season finale" could work. Not that much of a cliff hanger (unless you worry about Hurley's heart attack, and since you know he's alive later, why worry?) but it would be a game changer, with the Six actually leaving the island.I was disappointed with the ST:Voyager finale that ended just as they reached Earth - their goal for the entire seven year series. I didn;t consider that a "catch the one armed man" series ender - I wanted to know what happened to those characters next, and although that story arc did show elements of their future, I still wanted more.If the creators say they get off the island, who am I to argue, though in that case I'll miss the three episodes the strike cost us. It just seems, well, to quote a once popular AICN cliche, "Too soon!"We have 3.5 years of mysteries. MANY have been solved, resolved and answered - many more have not. The numbers business discussed above could be covered better. A bit more on who built the security system/smoke monster, how it works, and why. More Libby, please. It seems like the writers have left gaps in everyones back stories in order to provide for further exploration.I'm not in charge, but the way I'd pace it might be to leave the island in the first quarter of season next. Then we have the five major flash-forward story segments, and each one needs to be bracketed with what happened before and what happens after. I could see most of season five actually leading up to the end of season three, or perhaps one or two steps past, with Jack - and Hurley's money - tryng to organize a "back to the island" mission. And currently the BIG QUESTION is, if there's an Oceanic Six... what happens to everyone else? Are the last of the Losties and Tailies wiped out or left behind to fend for themselves in a three way conflict with The Others and The Freighties? What about James, Locke, Claire, Rose and Bernard... not to mention Steve, Lance, Neil and "Maryann and the Professor", also known as "and the rest". Plus the various Others we've met by name. And, um, the 815ers who were taken? "Won't somebody please think of The Children" to quote the hysterical woman in the crowd from The Simpsons. You know, the Tailie children taken by The Others?Obviously, with "Lost" taking a game-changing step forward doesn't preclude taking steps back. My prediction: once The Six are off the island, we will continue to have 'present day' scenes (in each 'flash forward' era, as we get caught up) to what's happening on the island - PLUS both more flash-forwards and more major plot-hole filling flash-backs for those major characters.I also, well not so much predict as hope, that halfway into season six we'll all be worried if there's actually enough time left to cover all the bases and answer the BIG questions - Widmore, Ben, The Other's ability to get off the island at will, Smokey, Abaddon, Dharma food deliveries - not to mention the question of whether all the shows sci-fi/fantasy/supernatural elements can be combined rationally into one congruent mythos. My hope, of course is, that when the shows final episodes unspool we'll all be sitting dumbfounded, jaws agape, murmuring "Holeee... shee-iitt, they DID IT!"This trip may be much more than the journey, but I'm hoping a big payoff witll make the whole trip worthwhile.[Now lets all argue over whether "it this trip really necessary" is a common expression or a Star Wars reference.]
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Emder Smites mentioned that he's cutting down on his auto-eroticism and promised to tell us what he thinks. What I want to know about is who you think about?I'll toss this out to the entire group, feel free to ignore it if you have any taste at all.Being television show fans, we build up a fondness for any woman we find attractive or who plays an interesting character on a series we watch. Then the partnerless among us might tend to involve that celebrity in certain erotic fantasy scenarios during self stimulation.Except for the 90% of you who never masturbate (and the 99.9% of them, who lie about it.)Oh come on, this isn't unprecedented, this is just an expansion of the "which Lost girls would you like to see together in hot girl on girl action" discussion from a few days ago.The question is, what television performers have you erotically fantasized most frequently about over the years?Sure I'll start, especially since I have an odd one. First, a digression. I saw Julie Newmar on a talk show once discussing appearing at comic/sci-fi conventions and how odd it is that so many strange young men have told her that she gave them their first orgasm. I never met her, but I'm one of those many - it was thinking about her Rhoda the robot from "My Living Doll" that got me off the first time.But back to the main question, while I could offer a list (I'm very fickle in my fantasy life) for some odd reason the one woman who inspired more fantasies and appeared as a character in more different erotic short stories I've written than any other... is Nick Nolte's girlfriend Vicki Lewis, the redheaded Beth from "Newsradio".No, I don't now why.
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or acknowledge their existence in any way simply aren't being sadistic enough. Sure AICN teems with them and maybe it seems like fun to engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed or verbally grind a petty annoyance beneath your intellectual heel. But why give a pest the attention they sadly crave when it's so much more exquisitely cruel to totally ignore them. Trolls and unicorns and jackalopes only exist if you choose to believe in them.It's so easy to hurt the sad and lonely, because they're already in so much pain.[and, no, this isn't about you.]
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The dapper fashion plate named in honor of his or her outer garment and neckwear was that most dreaded and admired of beasts, a troll killer.His or her modus operandi was to target a weak prey troll and then relentless respond to each of their posts with a flurry of replies, of course in ALL CAPS, usually one or two full paragraphs long each, contained derogatory insults, extremely vulgar language with detailed violent and sexual imagery including the usual references to homosexuality, incest, what the German industry refers to as "champagne and caviar" and so on. All very unpleasant and over the top and yet oddly fascinating. What realy sold the project was a series of posts in which he refered to his victim by combining the person's user ID with the vulgar "C-word" for the female reproductive orifice. If you can't look away from car crashes or, as a child, would stand back and watch schoolyard beatings, you can understand why as distasteful as it all was, it was tempting to read his posts rather than ignore them as trollishness taken to the exxxtreme.In this instance... and I think the exchange took place in a previous Lost talkback, IIRC, the poor victimized quisling tried to respond in kind but eventually adopted the submissive pose like a mistreated puppy and posted the verbal equivalent of whining "I'm gonna tell your mom!", which in this case was reporting S&T to the AICN PTB to have him or her banned. Actually both parties vanished shortly after the altercation, though there is a rumor that the whipping boy, who was named after a character in a once popular science fiction franchise (and, coincidentally, the lead singer of Two Live Crew) reregistered with a new AICN user name which contains a reference to the home base of a DC super-hero, though we like to call her Eve.
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He could direct an episode, get an Oscar for it, and call it:
THE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!
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wonder if we will see anything to do with him before the season ends???
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voted and all, I like my Kate like I take all my women....filthy as fuck,,,so its on Island Kate for me
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how much would you let your character interefere with the main storyline? Or do you guys just do independent stories of background characters who have no impact on the story of Lost as a whole?
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FAIL for seeing the url! I copypasted for the helluvit.
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..I'll mind anyone who's been living under a rock for the past hundred years or so? I keed. e.e
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Apr 01, 2008 12:36:50 PM CDT
Minor SPOILER 4.9 (If you havent read the ep description yet)
by youguysgotanymilk
Anybody want to guess about the identity of the body that washes up and jack tries to identify? Who do we know that is dead and near water? Charlie (not likely) Mikhail (probably not intact) Regina (wouldn't the chains sink her?) Another freighter? Kelvin? My guess is a member of the strike team that killed Karl and shot Danielle. I can see a body washing up wearing jungle camo, and Jack thinking "Oh shit" Maybe it was Frank, the pilot. He agreed to take a group of freighters back to the island, but when he found out they were going to kill everyone, he refused. So they killed him and threw him out of the chopper.
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But I'll guess - Nikki or Paulo! Remember, Locke said things don't stay buried here. And they were near water!
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Ben (Michael Emerson) is being creepy as heck as a suspect on Law&Order:CI syndicated on my TV right now!
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Thtank you for the kind words about Bucky's blog. He works hard on it and with the size of his paws the typing is tough. I'm getting him bark recognition software for his birthday
So...the rewatches. Ep 2. Presumed Dead. Loved the episode initially and enjoyed it once again. A couple of points that still trouble me:
1. The picture on the staircase. Why is it focused on twice during the visit to grandma's house by Miles?
2. The Miles ghostbuster deal. Is this going to just end up a red herring or will it (and he) play a bigger role in the mystery of the island. I'm thinking the apparitions of Chaaalie and Christian and possibly Jacob - his gift will come into play. That scene with grandma was meant to establish SOMETHING important.
3. Danny Boy and his experiment. The Constant is an ep that will define LOST well after the series ends. When Dan is crying over the faked plane recovery - what's up with that?
4. The knowing smile CS gives upon dusting off the Dharma collar that she was apparently looking for. Seemed like she just confirmed a theory.
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It would be for those trying to stay 100 percent spoiler free and not read anything about the upcoming shows.
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i'm with you on it being regina.
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There are plently of comics far better. I would recommend The Eternals by Neil Gaiman. And the Excellent, Rising Stars, by J. M. Strasinsky. The first volume of Rising Stars is particularly excellent.
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With a few exceptions, I love this TB. I've just come over from the new Muppet movie TB and it's freaking killing me. Damn title-spammers and extremist neo-cons... At least the neo-cons in the Lost TB are reasonable...
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If the body is Regina, what happened to the chains? Wouldn't they way her down? And, wasn't it just recently that she jumped off the boat? Wouldn't it take longer for her body to wash ashore? I would think that the body would have some significance since it was listed in the episode summary, but I could be wrong. I'm still hoping for one of the members of the stike team. Unless the strike team consisted of Others, and were in-house (or in-island).
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Is what Frank alluded to. He said he knows Seth and Seth never takes that wedding ring off. So no ring, can't be Seth.
No Ender - don't be so damn hard on yourself. I like that thinking about alternate realities/dimensions. When we die, many believe our "consciousness" or whatever passes into another reality. So, people who are really psychic are simply able to tune in to that other reality. I think that is part of the pseudo science Darlton talks about alot. -
But I'll quack along. I'm also not one to "Do the Dew" all that frequently sans video, but when thoughts of sugarplums DO dance in my head, it's often annoying characters played by actresses I dig. I love Jackie on That 70s Show, Kelly on The Office, Karen on Will & Grace (older, true, but still...). I'm also a fan of Kristin Kreuk's Lana Lang, Faith from Buffy... And when I was younger, I had funny feelings for Linda Carter's Wonder Woman and G.I. Joe's The Baroness. The Baroness was one of my first. Evil brunettes with glasses...
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I definately agree that her role on Lost has been uneventful to say the least. If the body does belong to her, are you thinking she will wash up on shore alive? I guess i am just hoping that the body has some importance other then just being the body of someone we already know is dead.
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That is too freaky! I'm guessing it's not someone we all know well - yet. No to Regina - the boat is 80 miles away, right?
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There is such a short time window for Minkowski to leave for his little excursion. He's talking to Daniel on the phone, normal as can be, then hours later it's Regina saying Minkowski can't come to the phone ... for anytime soon. So had he already taken the boat trip? Node, good theory, I'll bet it could be Minkowski's boating partner.
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Does stunts for LOST, so she could have very well just been hired for that, but they threw her a bone with the human anchor scene and the upsidedown book deal. It wouldn't suprise me if that is it for her except for a flashback scene. We keep seeing Naomi that way.
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Watching it today, for the 4th (or 5th!) time, I finally noticed a few things:
Miles' ghostbusting customer is definitely NOT Walt's grandma
I still think the photo could be Yemi or Eko, but that picture frame definitely DOES change. It goes from textured wood to shiny metal. WHY? Continuity error or clue? What the heck is Miles' ghostbusting dustbuster anyway? I don't like how Miles has to explain "What Naomi said was a code for trouble" so carefully to Daniel. It feels like the writers are insulting the audience - though Daniel is forgetful, so maybe it really was for his benefit. Locke sure seems cocky this episode, but that soon goes downhill. I forgot why they made such a big deal about Frank's helicopter being in one piece. To the Losties, this represents rescue and salvation! But we've seen the helicopter already in the season 4 previews, so that scene doesn't really pack the punch it should. They've way overused that "Previously on lost.." with Naomi getting stabbed at this point, but they go ahead and use it again in the next episode too! Then, curiously, we had a couple episodes in a row (Eggtown, the Constant) with no recap at all. Bring on the next rewatch episode!!! -
We are definitely going to get some more Frank Lapidus flashbacks - or at least we should! Why was he not flying 815 that day? What's the story there???
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Bodies Wash Ashore should be a Brian Eno song title. But I digress.I know I dwell on her (it's because I lost my real virginity to a woman named JoAnn) but they didn't say how badly decomposed the body that washes ashore is, so my first thought went to Joanna, the despondent olympic swimmer from season one who swam out as far as she could. Jack heard yelling, swamming out and rescued... self professed lifeguard Boone, who had tried to save Joanna but failed. I don't think Joanna's body was ever recovered. In the fan-fic I've been playing with they hold a service and burn her few belongings - purse, ID, some newspaper clippings explaining why she was in a swimming competition in Australia. Nothing major that would contradict important canon, just tying up loose threads. From a few days after September 22nd to Christmas, just a bit over three months. With the fishies nibbling at her, not much left to identify her by, I suppose. Unless she went swimming with her Olympic bronze medal. And the more I think about Lost having supernatural elements (Ghostbustin' con-man Miles, Jacob), the more I like my silly theory that "girl in a bikini wandering around in the background of crowd scenes, always out of focus" actually is Joanna's ghost.Seriously, I'm thinking one of the girls from the sub-aquatic Looking Glass station, too. BigE said it first. Good call, E-man.
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First (it feels odd writing that word in any AICN post, but...) taken literally, what could the replacement of a wooden frame with a metal one mean? If it has some supernatural significance? A message from the ghost of the person in the picture, saying "See, I SHOULD be in a wooden box, a coffin, burried - instead I'm in a metal box. A vault, a kidnappers cage..." Hmm, could be in a refrigerator. Anyway, just trying to make some hypothetical sense out of it, not trying to go all Medium/Ghost Whisperer.Anyway, second (ditto comment about early posters) and more importantly, though this is vague, it is somethng of a mega-question for long time fans. In 3.5 seasons, has there EVER been a major, significant or important 'continuity error' on "Lost"? Has any scene in any episode every made it to air and then been ret-conned or redacted, with the producers saying "Oh, never mind about that, we screwed up, don't know what we were thinking."(I'm thinking of recent "no comment" replies to references to "The Hurley Bird", But other than the many "coincidental" appearances of The Numbers (room numbers, cheerleader line-ups) I don't think the writers have ever just tossed random weirdness at us to screw around. Though Kate's Horse seems to come close.
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in reference to my above post about continuity errors, we as fans realize that four years have passed in our real world, "Earth Prime" reality while 100 days are passing on the island. So we don't really consider 'Tall Walt' to be a continuity error, just one of the problems inherent with casting a Wesley on a show.However, if you go back and look at the pilot (the first episode, not the guys that fly planes or helicoptors0 and compare James Sawyer then and now, I don't know where he's getting all that protein but that mother's hair grows really fast."Wild Boar: it builds strong bones, hair and nails!"
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Sorry to post so late in the day, but been real busy.
We all wondered why Dan was crying at the beginning of this episode. My thought is it’s because he hadn’t found his constant yet. He knew something was wrong with what he was seeing because of his future-self, but wouldn’t know what until he met Desmond.
Locke is special. Locke is in touch with the island. He knows when the rain is about to stop.
Hurley is special. We’re not sure if Hurley is in touch with the island or not, but Hurley knows about the cabin and where it is while it’s missing from where Locke saw it. So are Hurley and Locke in touch with the same thing? If not, does that mean there’s more than 1 force on the island? If that’s true, are there more than 2?
Walt’s special too, right?
There has to be a reason they focused on the boy’s pic...twice. I don’t know what it is, but we will see it again.
Our future-selves might look back on this season and call it the How-to-beat-up-Ben episodes.
Lapedus is a crack pilot that was supposed to be flying 815 that fatal day. Anyone wanna make bets that someone of means probably made sure he wasn’t flying the plane on that flight?
I still don’t get why Naomi was worried about finding survivors of 815. Thinking back I don’t see any clue of this event occurring getting off the island. So are we to take this as not only was the wreckage staged, but the crash was planned and orchestrated? Does Widmore really have this kind of power?
Excellent introduction of the freighters, and a pretty killer episode to boot.
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...were on the same page. I didn't read until after I posted, so good to see BigE and node on my wave length...again.
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I'm early tonight. Happy April 1st!
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That's nearly three weeks!Or a season and a half, Lost time.
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You have become my constant.
You mentioned Frank above. On the Naomi/Abaddon flashback, she calls Frank a drunk. My guess, he was too fucked up to fly that day and Seth Norris had to take his place. Now Frank has some major guilt issues. And obviously a new employer - he's not doing odd jobs like this AND flying passenger jets for Oceanic Airlines.
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"Don't be an ass and post spoilers in the subject line."N32774 - But I am a huge ass, and I'm sitting on it right now.Are you referring to my using the word "spoilers" in the subject line? everybody was doing it.Are you referring to the picture frame reference? it's hardly a spoiler if it was in an episode that aired months ago. if we can't discuss specific details of past episodes, what are we here for?But if you mean "bodys wash ashore..." 1. Sorry, my bad. After about ten other people discussed it, it felt like it was "known". 2. I knew if before I got here - avoiding spoilers is one thing, but if people skip reading any mention of the show in EW or TVG just to remain spoiler free, well, that's a level of dedication to being surprised that I can't attain. 3. It would be a cool song title, though. 4. and if the news is that A body (singular) washes ashore, then if I posted BODIES (Plural), I was wrong, it was false information, therefore not actually a spoiler. I know that's nit-picky, I'm just covering my huge ass.I am so tempted to change the subject line on this to "Don't Locke in the coffin" just to be a jerk, but I guess I'll leave the trolling to the professionals like Evie.
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Over at 4we8's site:
http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/
The question as stated at the end of the post: "One of them is 100% accurate - which one do you think it is? Curious. Several are obvious fakes. Some are...interesting.
Also, for those interested in Bucky's search for his brother Vincent, no news, but a funny pic and a new title pic.
Is that more lab-like, Xiphos? See what I mean about the paws?
http://vincentskennel.blogspot.com/
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Apr 01, 2008 9:01:05 PM CDT
Ahole - in regards to already apologized once over SPOILER
by napoleon park
I will try to be more careful in the future in regards to discussing upcoming shows - even when the information seems to be common knowledge.In an ideal world a show with mysteries and surprises would air totally unspoiled.Here on "Earth Flawed" we have the end of show coming attraction for the next episode, network promos, print magazines like TV Guide and Entertainment Weekly, newsletters like TVG's Daily Scoop with the Ask Ausiello column, TV listing web sites with blogs like Mee Vee. And you have people like me who come here - to a spoiler site - and read every post in a node without averting my eyes every time I see the word spoiler.Though if I come on the say of an episode and some Ens'n Jerkov has posted a twenty paragraph episode synopsis, I'll skip over that without reading it. That's why on most show days I'm not here posting until about 2:00 or 3:00 AM.Not saying I wasn't careless, but I wasn't trying to be a malicious asshat either. "A body washes up on shore" is pretty vague and fairly well known by now. If I KNEW - rather than speculated on - who it is or at exactly what point in the show it occurs or who is affected by it and how, well, THAT would be a big spoiler. One vague detail on a level with a TV listings program description, not that big a deal to me. But if it is to some people, like I said, I'll be more careful in the future.Is there anyway I can adjust this so I don't sound like I'm being sarcastic? I have a problem with that sometimes.
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I firmly hold that Suit and Tie is merely another handle of glovedone/braffed. He only appeared to "battle" braffed and since braffed has up and left, only to make appearances to battle Suit and Tie. They are one and the same.
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Anyways, as far as LOST, I'm afraid I'm not very good at theorizing. So don't look to me for answers. But I am pretty good at punching holes in other's theories. So that is what I assign my function to be
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I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Suit and Tie's rants aren't funny to me, hence, I can associate him with glovedone all I want.
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Well, you see, back in the olden days of room 23, I didn't have much to add to the TB on a lot of occasions. And when it got announced that Lost Season 4 was starting on Jan. 31, I started counting down the days. Every day. It was before Christmas, so I think we had something like 40+ days when I started. But it's akin to Locke pushing the button. Gives me purpose. Gives me a constant. And nobody had told me it's annoying yet, so I keep it up! Now y'all are going to tell me it's annoying.
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So on that list of April Fools spoilers, it was indicated that one was correct, which one are you guessing is correct ?
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Does anyone remember any moment in lost when ben was genuienly(wow butchered that word) suprised by anything? ben knows everything, literally, because hes seen it play out to the end. hes basically seen all the way to the end of the series.
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http://tinyurl.com/2vdvltclips and full 3rd season BSG episodes on Hulu.http://tinyurl.com/39rhrc
Salon article: "Everything you were afraid to ask about "Battlestar Galactica" "A complete primer on the smartest sci-fi TV show ... maybe ever."Never saw the show myself since I only get basic cable and wasn't a fan of the original. I have heard it's one of the best things on, though. I may have to check out a couple of those Hulu episodes.Sorry I don't have specific answers to your two questions, Aholé, and that Salon article might have more SPOILERS than you'd want to read.Still, I've been co-moderating the Yahoo! "Jump the Shark" media discussion group for a couple of years now (and a member for several before that) so you can't say at least I don't try to be helpful. aka = Poppaspank = -
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Not LOST, sorry folks.BSG, some damn fine programming, there. and i personally love the score for it since it really helps to drive the whole show. To answer your question without saying too much with regards to sharon and boomer....one on caprica, one on galactica. no contact with galactica for helo so he wouldn't know it wasn't boomer at first. sharon knows what she is, boomer does not. finds out when they meet. is that what you wanted to know? 2 Days to BSG!!! now that i've caught up on Torchwood, BSG is how i will survive the LOST break, for now anyway.
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I'm stuck: 1, 6, 7, 10. All of those could happen in the sick twisted mind of Darlton.
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The Caprica Sharon does not show up to Helo until well after the Original "Boomer" Galactica Sharon abandoned him on Caprica. They didn't exist all along at the same time. For all Helo knew, she IS the one and only Sharon. Chief thinks the same thing. THey have no contact with each other, so how would they ever know about the other?
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Ah yes, another milestone passes. Behold the power of Lost!
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Node - congrats on the tie. I believe we do hold the tiebreaker with 2 to go though. I turned it off 1/2 way through the 3rd.
BigE - Countdown away my firend. Countdown away.
Miyamoto_Musashi - congrats on 2000.
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Got cut off. Sorry.
Bobbywatts - I think Ben was very surprised when Hurley indicated he knew where the cabin was.
BigE - Countdown away, my friend. Countdown away.
All - I'm barely here these days becuase I'm afraid of spoilers. If you need me for anything, shout.
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The Economist
Locke's hostage may be the key to getting off the island, so Sayid and Kate go in search of their fellow castaway in an attempt to negotiate a peaceful deal.
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Put your shirt on.
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Good to see this is all alive and kicking still. Make it to the 24th!!
I finished VALIS! Loved it, although it repeats itself quite a bit and drags in the middle. VERY good though. A must-read. Matter of fact, anyone want my copy? I'd rather it go to a Lost fan than sit on a shelf and collect dust so people can look at it and say to themselves "hey, this guy is deep, he reads weird Dick novels". So...
First person to e-mail me a snail mail address gets it free.
gotilk@gmail.com
Subject:VALIS
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What were your overall thoughts ?
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I love PKD novels. Valis is fo sho tight, my fave is Ubik. If you read Ubik and Gibson's Neuromancer back to back you basically read the inspiration for The Matrix and Vanilla Sky. More of a bad adaptation film inspired by said novels. Like a Wachows-Crowe film, or Crow-owski if you will. I still have to knock the Wachowskis for The Lametrix trilogy. Great start horrible pay off.
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Entire cast fight from start to finsh who is the laast person standing? My money is on Mr. Eko
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Think Eko would do well especially with his big stick, and the wooden one....ok not funny.
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they could be a great weapon to distract and take out the guys, and think she could take most of the ladies
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Not sure how I will survive the long hiatus after the season finale.
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I busted a gut at the address. Don't be surprised if I start calling you GW.
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the cutting of the the beard is kind of out of bounds, im not saying he knows what time everyone takes a shit,but how major events unfold. the jacob stuff, i can't account for, maybe jacob has layed the future out for him, and left some things out. but besides that? after 2 seasons,he knows just who to send,and where, and basically has told the most truth, and has been right the most as well
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Despite the warning I read them anyway. On watch with Kristin, she has a list of spoilers for the upcoming episodes. I was only going to read one or two, but damn I wish i hadn't. I really suggest not reading them. These are NOT "body washing up on the beach" spoilers these are "who is in the coffin" spoilers. Really, dont read them if you want to be unspoiled. It sounds like some good things are coming up though.
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Node, that was a nice gesture. I'm sure he's read books before. Green Eggs and Ham I hear is his favorite because of the riveting tone and well structured prose. Plus, he really likes the pictures.
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i think green eggs and ham would be a little too highbrow for him. i think he's still stuck on books with bright contrasting colours and mirrors in them.
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When you time- check the Dark UFO Rumours section - look at the script that was supposedly leaked. Gotta be fake. Is it even worth posting on Room 23?
If anyone wants a good chuckle - I just can't see this as being real, go to:
http://tinyurl.com/2d8kc8
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No more e-mails, we have a winner. Expect it in the mail in a few days at most. (media mail-formerly special 4th class- is cheap but can be slow) I'll post my overall thoughts later, not a lot of time here right now. I hope the recipient doesn't mind some highlighting of certain passages.
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I'd like some new books to read. I could tackle some I had in mind already, but it'd be nice to crack some of the books referenced in the show that I have not read already.
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on lostpedia http://tinyurl.com/2yknhw
on lostcubit.net
http://lost.cubit.net/books.php (these have not been updated since last season, but they provide a little reference for each one listed) -
and 4we8have15to16go23back42. I may re-read Oz after all these years.
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do you ever check out lostcubit? they sometimes have some interesting articles that people write concerning themes and characters on LOST. as well as an investigations forum, etc.
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here is a tiny url for the lostcubit.net books since there are some gaps in the address... http://tinyurl.com/39csqh
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I almost missed the countdown today - thanks to a 6 hour delayed flight. Keep the faith, guys, Lost will be back soon!
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Wizard Of Oz is a good recommendation for the Henry Gale connection but if you want White Rabbits and Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll's "Alice's Adventures In Wonderland" and "Alice's Adventures Through The Looking Glass" are great reads (with or without children). And if you can find them in a library on or Amazon (or even D/L) look for mathematician Martin Gardner's "The Annotated Alice" (which contains and explains both books) . Either edition - there was a sequel "More Annotated Alice" with still more notes - the two books do not duplicate one another - they really should edit together an Ultimate edition.Footnote Alice? Heck yeah, how else can you really appreciate all the in-jokes, parodies and political and religious analogies in a centuries old fantasy book if someone doesn't explain them to you?
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Have to get this out of the way.
fuck shit piss cunt and dick wart
I think you just started something as well. Heh. lol..
But seriously, I hope I did start something. I know I'll be done with The Third Policeman fairly quickly. I'll offer that one up as well. Shipping media mail is super cheap. Especially when it's not a hardback. -
I read it many years ago, but I'm pretty sure I'll grab it again.
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on the DVD. Nice. Everything else is nice, too. Except for the spider easter egg. Can't stand spiders. Except Daddy Long Legs. I can let them crawl all over me, even my face, with no issues. Strange, huh?
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One of the creepiest things I have ever seen is Jim Carey in "The Cable Guy" singing "somebody to love" (not the queen song) karaoke. At first, it's kinda funny.. but then it turns genuinely creepy and becomes hard to watch.
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more... have to.. stay ..awake...
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Everyone have a great day. See you later today.
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Stupid typos. I meant to say "Ah, there WE are again" referring to the talkback over there on the right.
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Seeya.
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Seeya.
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Sorry about the double post.
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But I think I'll give it another go before I send it out in the wild.
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I think we were so fixated on the time thing in 4.3 that we missed a few things. Here are my thoughts on The Economist.
The golf course scene is still amazing, even when we know what’s about to happen.
So why did Naomi have Des and Penny’s pic with here? If we think about it, we know now she’s been on Widmore’s boat and that Ben has told Locke the freighties work for Widmore. We have heard from the captain Widmore planted the wreckage at the bottom of the ocean. So can’t we assume that Des wrecking was Widmore’s doing...not fate, but choice? And if that’s true, then doesn’t Libby have to be in on this somehow?
I know others have said all this, but logically speaking looking at these facts and assumptions, I think this is proof.
I love the beacon.
I don’t know if anyone mentioned this before, but the passports we could make out were from Japan, Brazil and New Zealand. If Ben has passports to these places, it would seem the expanded BTriangle would need more expansion.
“I lost a dollar, you know”. In one of the next few episodes Locke pulled a dollar out and gave it to Ben.
Continuity, anyone?
Sayid said to Locke, “Allow me to do things my way or a war is coming we will both be powerless to stop”. When we last left Danielle she was lying face down with a bullet in her. No one (as far as we know) from the freighter had left to fire the shots. We speculated that it may have been the others that fired the shots, but maybe...just maybe...the freighter had a shadow. Either way, the war has begun.
Bear with me on this one. Let’s say both Ben and Widmore know/see/understand the future...even if it’s only bits and pieces of it. If you could see the future and knew your enemy could too, wouldn’t you suspect...well, everything. So you send a boat knowing your enemy probably knows about the boat. Might you not tail the boat in another boat...or maybe a submarine?
Sayid in the quote above did not say getting on the freighter would stop the war from coming/starting, he only suggested to Locke that letting him have Charlotte would get him to the boat. And being on the boat and knowing things going on there COULD possibly stop the war...even after it had begun. And the way it will probably end...the war, that is...is Sayid will think with his heart instead of his gun.
So my summation of the last 3 paragraphs is the war has now started, but somehow Sayid will be able to end it. The ending will not be the best outcome for the island. And Sayid will indeed sell his soul and go to work for Ben to right the wrong his heart caused.
One more thing. Elsa’s boss doesn’t like technology. Neither does Jacob. Could Widmore be coming to free Jacob? And would that mean Jacob is bad for the island? That Ben’s been the good guy doing bad things all along?
Now that’s how to stir the pot!!
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the only other connection, if i'm remembering correctly, is that Widmore sponsored the race that Desmond was in when he got stuck on the island. it was so long ago, i cannot remember if this is totally accurate.
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Doc Jensen review's the season so far. Good stuff! Link here:http://tinyurl.com/32oomk pa, you might want that for your blog!
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Yes...Widmore Industries set up the race. And there's NO WAY Libby just "accidentally" bumped into Des with a sailboat in her back pocket EXACTLY when Desmond needed a frickin sailboat.
And her being at the EXACT SAME mental ward as Hurley also wreaks of Widmore involvement.
I don't even think "Libby" is her real name.
She's a hired hand of Widmore's...and I think she was in the Swan Hatch for more than "blankets" when she took two in the chest from Michael. I think she was there to possibly kill Ana herself, and get Ben out of solitary for eventual pick up by the freighter.
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By far. Eggtown wasn't the snoozer everyone made it out to be, but I felt The Other Woman was superior in many, many ways.
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I don't think Widmore & Ben are in cahoots either. I think Libby was in the Swan to bust out Ben to DELIVER him to Widmore, via the freighter. I think Widmore wants ben ALIVE...and the gas was for everyone else.
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"The most likely answer is suggested by the theorizing of Lost fans like J. Wood of powells.com, who for quite some time has advocated the idea that the Island is a place where past, present, and future happen all at once."
A theme present in VALIS, time happening all at once and our perception that there is a timeline is an illusion. In other words... what if the Island is the only place where reality is percieved as it truly is. The rest of the world is living in an illusion that time moves forward and there is such a thing as a PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE. When in reality, in the rest of the known universe, and on the island, all times are happening at once. The rest of us are presented with a reality that our brains can adjust to without exploding. As if we were not meant to be here, we're "strangers in a strange land" and only through this illusion are we kept sane. Jacob is the source of this "signal" that keeps our brains in order out here in the real world. When the "end of the world" is spoken of in the show, they are talking about the maintaining of this illusion, which may be more fragile than people assume. The Oceanic 6 may be the "beginning of the end" of this illusion in the rest of the world as the public is slowly made aware of the fact that all these times are happening at once. The Oceanic six are a kind of virus that escaped from the reality of the island to infect the perception of reality we've grown so accustomed to. Far-reaching stuff, I know. But I had to share. And it IS very much lifted right out of VALIS. -
anyone? (ok maybe this msg is filler to keep the talkback in the top 10)
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I don't think Widmore and Linus are in cahoots. They seem to be rivals with quite possibly unlimited resources.
As far as our agreed perception that Libby is/was in cahoots with Widmore, providing Des with the boat and "arranging" his crash on the island, think about what else would possibly have to be arranged to make this all happen.
The swiching of the pilots.The radio going outKelvin being planted and knowing how to fix boatsDes leaving and not pressing the button for the first time to track Kelvin at the exact moment the plane was to fly overhead
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definitely something i've thought about. it's a fascinating idea. and 'strangers in a strange land' is a great read, by the way. not on this particular topic, but in general.
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i think you may be on to something there.
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I definately read the spoilers on the "watch with Kristin" site but I was so mad that I read the spoilers that I stopped half way through. I didn't keep reading to see the April Fool's note at the bottom. Luckily I had enough sense to check today and see the truth. I feel like such an idiot. I was really bummed that I thought I knew who was in the coffin. I was ready to swear off spoilers for the rest of the season. So if you read them, which one do you think is true? I could see 1,4,7 or maybe 10. 've always believed 7 to be true. I am so glad they were not real spoilers, even though the whole underground city thing would have been cool.
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No, I agree...Ben & Widmore are at WAR.
Switching of what pilots? Desmond was given a different course to race than the other sailboat race contestants. Desmond thought he was winning the race...as he left them all behind...but his course heading was leading him directly to the island.
The radio goes out when it comes in contact with the island...as 815's did...and the helicopters did,
Kelvin had nothing to do with fixing Desmond's boat. It was repaired elsewhere and towed back in. Kelvin just had to leave the hatch often to "appear" as if he was up to something. Then he purposely tore a hole in his bio-suit to get Des to follow him to the rocky shore. (Where he faked his "death").
Desmond bringing down 815. That could have been coincidence...or fate...not sure we'll ever get a definative answer on that.
Charles Widmore used the Swan hatch as Desmonds new prison...and he hired Libby to get him there...and Kelvin to keep him there.
...Far, far away from Penelope.
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Funny...I think the underground city IS one of the true ones! Where do you think Smokie retreats to down those "holes"?
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faked death... now with knowing those paralysing spiders are on the island practically anyone's death could be faked.
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I was referring to the 815 pilots. Frank was supposed to be on that plane according to 4.2. 815 was out of radio communication if I remember correctly.
I'm still not of the opinion that Kelvin faked his death. I know some are, but IMHO I find it totally hyperbally. I can't think of a single thing that's happened that would lead to that conclusion. I do like the Des/prison thing you said, but it doesn't make sense if he wanted Des in prison to lead him out by any means...Kelvin's rip or whatever. I'll look forward to seeing him again, though, if I'm wrong.
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Oh...That dude sitting at the controls of 815 was just some unlucky fuck in Taiwan who got "dug up". Now...as for WHO decided that a "fake" 815 needed to be discovered?
Could be Widmore...could be Ben.
If you provide a "fake" crash site...then people who think there's something 'fishy" about 815's disappearance will stop looking for the wreckage (Like the guy on Find815.com) ...thus...ending their search before it ever leads them close to the island.
I don't think Ben OR Charles wants anyone to find that island. Charle's crew is in the dark about it...and Ben's can't leave it. So, either one could have motivation to sink a fake 815 too far down to verify it. My $$$ is on Widmore, though.
Kelvin faking his death? He led Des out exactly 54 minutes AWAY from the Swan. He was waiting on those rocks for Des to test him with a way off the island. He knew that if Des refused his offer...he would be angry about what Kelvin was saying...after conditioning him for 3 long years. Kelvin has a baggie of boar's blood tucked neatly in his collar...a struggle insues...he falls back...appearing to crack his head open...He knows Desmond will be watching the clock carefully...and will be pushing it to make it back in time to press the button...His plan works like butter...Des refuses...he falls and "cracks his head open"...lays there with his eyes open...Des never even checks for a pulse before racing back to the Swan. Des stands up...Mission accomplished...Pulls out a cool satellite phone and radios for extraction.
Until someone checks a pulse and looks up and delivers the Dr. McCoy "He's dead, Jim" line...I don't think for a moment ANYONE is really dead on LOST. Naomi...Mikhail (multiple times)...Locke...just too many too mention. I'd love to see where Darlton confirmed Kelvin is dead, Node.
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KELVIN...stands up.
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I have missed your storylines buddy! Nice to see you in fine form.
I'm really starting to worry about the timeline on this show. The O-6 get home at the end of the season. We have seen much of their issues in FF already, so there can't be much to tell about the O-6 at home next season. Are we going to get alot of the ones left behind all season 5? Will we get our answers we yearn for? Is there time for it all to come together?
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I saw that Smallville news? What the heck? Considering the cast that is leaving and now this - they should just tie it all up in a miniseries or something with the whole original team. Season 8 is going to stink.
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Are available for d/l if anyone is interested.
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But it seemed rather a tame thumping on the rock...not enough to "kill" him. But Des never checked for anything...He just grabbed the fail safe key and hauled ass. Too nebulas an ending for ANYONE on that damn island for me.
Heya, Ed...The O-6 depart the island end of this season...that's a granted. But we will NOT see them getting "home". Just leaving.
Season 5 will pick up with them being forced to land...where they get their island "debriefing" and get fed the "lie" they have to follow...or else. I think this will be done by Widmore...(or Kelvin/Joe Inman, perhaps?)...THEN...they get to go "home".
We will see the triumphant return of the O-6...Oceanic's big press conference...which may have flashbacks to the "debriefing" sequence. And the 6 parting ways.
Meanwhile...we will see Locke digging more into Ben and the island secrets...I think the man of faith with have a holy comeuppance...and realize Ben has duped him...just as his father had all those years ago...and he'll realize Jack's plan was right all along. He'll attempt to use the island to contact the Oceanic 6...because something catastrophic will be unleashed on the island, threatening the lives of everyone....(Volcano, Smokie, another magnetic anomoly...something).
Season 6 covers the O-6 realizing they have to go back to make things right...and the SECOND rescue attempt is underway...
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I'm sorry...I fell of the Smallville bandwagon a LONG time ago. I wish the new show runners luck...they are gonna need it.
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I grew up with the Superboy version, but as I understand current DC continuity, After college Clark Kent movies oto metropolis and dons the costume for the first time.If the originators of Smallville and the actors playing lex and lana have moved on, the show should move n, too. Welling IS old enough. Move to the city, get the newspaper job, don the costume, adopt the name - full flights and tights. Leave Lana behind him for his one true love, Lois. Let Lex build up his fortune off screen. And change the name of the series to Metropolis, of course.
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oh, right, we only get reruns of grey's lobotomy. great. i'll go drink now...
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"ooh, it's thursday! oh, right, we only get reruns of grey's lobotomy. great. I'll go drink now..."Um, wrong, RedBlue. No Grey's rerun on Friday, either. Tonight ABC has NEW episodes (of shows you don't watch) bracketing the Lost rerun. All new crap on CBS and Fox. New Earl followed by an Office marathon on NBC. Reruns on CW.I admire your dedication to Lost but it must be sad to live in a world with only one good show on TV. No wonder you need a drink.Harold and Kumar on TBS at 9:00, and NCAA Women's Basketball on TNT - aka sports for heterosexuals (and lesbians) to watch.Speaking of eye candy, why all the hate for Eli Stone from fantasy/sci-fi show fans? It's about a lawyer turned prophet whose brain aneurysm causes him to hallucinate visions that dictate which cases he takes on, his boss is Victor "spydaddy" Garber from Alias and it co-stars Loretta Devine and Nastasha Henstridge, both of whom ate totally boobalicious. What's the problemo?
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"ooh, it's thursday! oh, right, we only get reruns of grey's lobotomy. great. I'll go drink now..."Um, wrong, RedBlue. No Grey's rerun on Friday, either. Tonight ABC has NEW episodes (of shows you don't watch) bracketing the Lost rerun. All new crap on CBS and Fox. New Earl followed by an Office marathon on NBC. Reruns on CW.I admire your dedication to Lost but it must be sad to live in a world with only one good show on TV. No wonder you need a drink.Harold and Kumar on TBS at 9:00, and NCAA Women's Basketball on TNT - aka sports for heterosexuals (and lesbians) to watch.Speaking of eye candy, why all the hate for Eli Stone from fantasy/sci-fi show fans? It's about a lawyer turned prophet whose brain aneurysm causes him to hallucinate visions that dictate which cases he takes on, his boss is Victor "spydaddy" Garber from Alias and it co-stars Loretta Devine and Nastasha Henstridge, both of whom ate totally boobalicious. What's the problemo?
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Actually I can only see one objection to Eli Stone: "Lost" is a hard act to follow.
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That should be good. Other than that, it's pretty much bullet to the head time when it comes to TV this evening. But tomorrow... that's a whole different story since we'll be seeing what happens on BSG.
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now stop reading my mind....
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3 weeks left!
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I'm not overly fond of the Pop Up Video style Enhanced lost episodes, but this caught my attention early o the episode they reran this week: "That's not Daniel Faraday's wife, it's his caregiver." We know he's a bit quirky, maybe even flakey, but what does this mean? Was he institutionalized? Hospitalized? Disabled?
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There was a discussion upthread about what Miles put in the wall.I may be one to jump as unjustified conclusions, but it looked to me exactly like he looked in the hidey-hole in the wall, took out the back, pulled a bundle of cash from the bag, then a packet of heroin, then put the heroin back n the bag and the bag back in the wall - after pocketing the cash, of course. No slight of hand involved. In an earlier post I referred to Miles as a con-man but after seeing this episode again, I can see that he genuinely does have some sort of psychic ability. That doesn't make him honest or preclude him from being a scam artist.So say you have psychic powers and you are using them to pull scams. You hear a dope dealer was killed and offer to put his soul at treat. You find his money and drugs. Which were probably what he was killed over in the first place. The money you can carry around, spend anywhere, buy anything you want. the Heroin might be worth hundreds or even a thousand dollars, but it's a bad drug, it's poison, it destroys lives, the people looking for it will kill you over it, trying to convert it into money by selling it would be risky, you could do serious prison time for selling or even possessing it in that quantity.It seems like a no-brainer that you'd take the cash and leave the dope. It's the only sensible thing to do. Opposing views?
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Another topic that came up involved Miles "tool" and it's function.An old friend of mine enjoyed making sci-fi prop facsimiles. The Luke light saber is really an old camera flash-bulb mount. All Trekkies know Dr. McCoy's "healing buzz knob" was just a salt shaker. MST3k fans can find a list of the common objects used to build Tom Servo and Crow. And many of the minor Ghostbusters props were simple things like light meters with an antenna added or held backwards.The fact that most of Miles Strom's "spectral analyzer' was made of different colored pieces of molded plastic seems to imply - t me at least - that it was just an admittedly well built contraption cobbled together from existing pieces. All we saw it do was create a white noise drone hum with one rotating part. I think that's all it does - create a noise so he can do his ghost-talking without being overheard by his mark.I still think of Miles as a con-man. I don't like him, I don't trust him. It's not that I expect him to be as compassionate with the dead as Melinda on Ghost Whisperer, but even if he did communicate with a departed spirit in that room, all he did was rip off his money and then say "all right, you can go now." If that woman's house was being haunted by her son's spirit in his old room, I don't see how stealing his money would put him at rest.
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Have watched the series and its definetely 40 minutes of non-thing, something I can watch, while chatting to the gf or eating, as opposed to Lost.
ITs kind of fun sometimes, but its never going to be amazing TV.
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That each of the four were needed for specific tasks. Assuming Frank Lapudus, descrobed as "a drunk, but a pretty good pilot" is there to fly the chopper and not to party, what exactly are the others there for?Charlotte Lewis, archeologist = 4-toed statue? Adam & Eve? The Temple?Daniel Faraday, twitchy physicist = more than analyzing light scatter patterns. Figuring out the smoke monster?If Naomi Dorrit was their team leader, what was she supposed to get them to do, and will they be able to do it without her?
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As I said, assuming Frank Lapidus was there to fly the chopper and jot just party, what there the others there for?Charlotte Lewis, archeologist - the Temple? The 4-toed statue? Adam & Eve?Miles Straume, ghostbuster - presumably to talk to Jacob.Daniel Faraday, twitchy physicist - more than analyzing light scatter characteristics, hopefully. Determining how the smoke monster/security system works? Studying the magnetic flux?And if Naomi Dorrit was their team leader, will they be able to accomplish their goals without her?
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I also remember hearing somewhere that in Star Wars Ep.1 the communicators used were just a Gillete razor upside down with construction paper. Like George Lucas didnt even try lol
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You are absolutely correct on the using already exhisting items as a basis for shapes of items in design ideas, in all areas of the set, but especially where props (large and small) are concerned. this is what i do for my day job (the building part, mostly) and generally you can reduce the cost by using exhisting shapes as a basis, and everything is about saving money where they can, especially on the sci-fi shows. the number of 'alien' weapons i have built and seen built out of squirt guns is hilarious. the magic of auto paint creates the less plastic and more industrial look.
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You are absolutely correct on the using already exhisting items as a basis for shapes of items in design ideas, in all areas of the set, but especially where props (large and small) are concerned. this is what i do for my day job (the building part, mostly) and generally you can reduce the cost by using exhisting shapes as a basis, and everything is about saving money where they can, especially on the sci-fi shows. the number of 'alien' weapons i have built and seen built out of squirt guns is hilarious. the magic of auto paint creates the less plastic and more industrial look.
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Longtime reader, first time poster. Decided to try and help keep this TB alive until the show returns.
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Do you think all 4 of the Freighties will get individual flashback episodes, or will they just get fragmentary bits incorporated into older character's stories (i.e. Faraday and Des)? If only some get an entire episode of story, whom should it be? The introduction of these characters makes me wish that the remaining seasons weren't truncated.
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Locke, Ben, Sayid and Des are my fav characters. Island Kate is hotter than FF Kate. The mysteries I most want answered are 1) Jacob, 2)4-Toe Statue, 3) Smokie, 4) Alpert and 5)Abbadon. I think Jin is alive, and so is Danielle. Michael is in the coffin. The Other Woman was better than Eggtown, although I will commit heresy and say I thought The Economist was better than The Constant. I hope they give at least a somewhat in depth explaination of the numbers origin and signifigance for those that can't/won't do online research (like my very vocal family members). And I think Widmore planted the wreckage, because he is an alien/human hybrid supersoldier.
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I think Daniel is the most likely to get a centric episode in the seasons ahead, as he seems to have clicked the most with the audience. Miles has about a 50/50 chance of an episode, although they could rush through with a verbal history as he serves his seemingly intended purpose of communicating with Jacob. The same goes for Charlotte, who after explaining the statue and other anthropological artifacts, will seem to serve little or no purpose (unless there is more to her than has been previously stated, like some theorizing she was on the island as a child or is perhaps even Ben and Annie's offspring). And while I like Jeff Fahey, I think Frank is the least likely to get a broader story, since his character has been rather succinctly summed up in the bits given (former Oceanic pilot, drinking problem resulting in his failure to fly 815, his subsequent realization of a cover-up conspiracy leading to his being on the Freighter to hush him up and most likely to silence him forever). Given full-length seasons, I think they could have given Frank a richer backstory that would continue the series' theme of redemption, but alas, if any of the Freighties are going to die before season's end, my money's on Frank.
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It's my hope that the shooters of Karl and Rousseau are the Freighter Thugs. I would like to think that the Others wouldn't just kill people known to them for approaching the Temple, when they have shown a talent in the past for handling unwanted trespassers with less than lethal force.
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before I go do something productive for a bit. This will be wild speculation, for none of us knows how things will end, but what kind of life do you think Lost will have after the show ends in season 6? Most cult-shows have at least a few continuations after they have ended, such as books, videogames, spin-offs etc. What, if any, do you think Lost should have? What would work and what wouldn't?
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That thing reminded me of an old dustbuster I used to have, but without the cool spinny thing that makes ghosts go away and deposits cash and drugs in duct-work. I wish mine did that. Well, at least the money part. I'm not convinced Miles' machine is all cute and cuddly, or that it does anything at all except make cool noise and get spinny. If it does do something, I'm thinking it's pretty sinister. Maybe it amplifies? But what does it amplify? Why does he seem so confident that whatever wouldn't leave the old lady alone was now gone? Maybe he's not sending things to a better place at all.
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agreed. I hope the show ends. But I wouldn't curse any NF companion books with trivia and production details. All the info would already be out there on the web or the DVD sets, but some people like the feel of a book.
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Wasn't it stated in one of Doc Jensen's articles that Miles dustbuster was some sort of cooling device, that according to paranormal lore is supposed to increase the ability to communicate with spirits? At least, that's what it's supposed to be, but I'm of the belief previously stated that it's just a prop to bolster his "legitimacy" and/or to muffle his verbal exchanges with "ghosts".
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That would make sense. It would also explain the voices when my air conditioning gets left on. Or maybe it's the other people that live here. I need to leave my cave more.
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inebriated and posting here for a while. But I'd hate to ruin the long run of interesting posts.
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Gotta agree with you, Node. No spin-offs, no prequels.. just a real ending. Make more money off us with director's-producer's cuts and special editions in whatever format is next. NanoHD versions you can carry under your toenails or upload to your consciousness via a brain-link are fine, as long as it's the original show.. not a re-make or a 3-d version. Although a virtual version you can "interact" with might be fun with some cast members. I'd play Charlie, but I'd lose the Catholic guilt stuff...
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inebriated. Now on to finishing the other half of this beer. (I'm a lightweight) Don't you all wish you could get a buzz off one beer like me? As long as it didn't come with all that other stuff like the mild depression, broken family and ruined marriage. Heh.
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It only makes sense there is a 3rd group. Ben and Widmore seem to know each other's moves as/before they happen. And they seem to know that about each other. So if you know your enemy knows what you are about to do, don't you counter that somehow.
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Which direction do you hope the show ends up heading toward? SF being the time travel/wormhole theories as opposed to the Garden of Eden/spirit world leanings of the Fantasy genre. I trust Darlton to give us something satisfactory, but no matter which side it goes with, or combination of the two, some people will be dissatisfied.
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Naveen Andrews in "Rollerball" or Terry O'Quinn in "Amityville: A New Generation"?
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Kurgan, Wishmaster or Batmanuel?
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I have GOT to try that. DM or one of those all-symptom ones?
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If he was having a bad hair day, anything could happen.
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The one thing I've always feared is that Lost would end like Alias did. I really liked the show. Hated the ending. But Lost.. how depressing would that be? Would anyone really be happy with an ending to Lost that includes a scene in which Jack uses the "power of love" to save the people left on the island or something like that?
A beam of pink light shines from Jack's forehead and shines up toward the ceiling right as he lies dying on the floor of a building located at the temple...
Cut to a ship at sea.
Crewman: "Captain, was there an island there before?"
Captain: "My god, where did it come from? It's not on any of my maps!"
Cut back to island
Jack: "I love you, Kate. I've always loved you. The power of my love for you made the island visible and now you'll all be saved."
Kate: (crying)"It's what you've always been good at, Jack, saving people."
Jack: "I guess it was my destiny."
Camera pulls up, through the ceiling and above the temple, eventually revealing the island and the ship a few miles off shore. As we pull back, we see that the Island has been in the gulf of Mexico the whole time.
BOUNCH---ooohwee---oooh (lost logo twists away from the camera)
The End.
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Totally agreed. Reminds me of the end of X-Files, with Scully and Mulder lying in bed together discussing their faith in God. ugh
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if Darlton screws up the finale.
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I'm almost positive I spotted Cindy (stewardess to the Others) in a KFC commercial. They have been showing it on the east coast. It's the one where a family is sitting down at dinner with the son's friend and they ask him what he wants, a leg or a thigh. He says either and then calls "Cindy" Nancy. Which makes everyone stop and she says "it's Mrs. Blank" Everyone one laughs. Stupid commercial but I swear that is Cindy. I guess she had to find other work during her long walk to the temple. Regardless, I would take her leg or thigh, even though I would prefer a breast....or a taco.
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You were not hallucinating, it was not smokie.
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I thought I was just getting desperate for a Lost fix so i was seeing Lost actors in random commercials.
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What, too soon?Or not."Why does god need a star ship?" asked Kirk famously.And why would Smokey need a rifle. Just take aim and Peetweenngg! Nano-bullets. Just a matter of breaking off a chunk and then projecting them at high velocity.
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Huey Louie and the News?Never mind. I thought there were other bands with songs by that name but I googles first.The Pretenders did Message of Love"Hendrix and/or Band of Gypsys did "Message of Love", "Power to Love" and "Power of Soul".Is it wasteful to post a message just to say "never mind, I was wrong"? Just trying to keep the post count up.
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Reminded me of a story I read in, I think the Comics Journal once. Some fans were visiting Jack Kirby, who was so prolific at producing art that he was drawing a page even while he talked to them. It was a full page cityscape of Asgard, the mythical city at the end of the rainbow, for an issue of thor. As he sketched the fans realized that he was drawing surreal versions of the common objects he has on the shelves and tables in his studio - a toaster, a pencil sharpener, etc.That's why he was the King.
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Personally I hope that they maintain the balance of sf and fantasy AND horror. I don't want to see the show end in any particular ONE genre. It's been very good about covering all of those bases. If it came down straight sf, I'd lose some of the sense of wonder. If it came down straight magic realism, I'd lose some of the sense of intellectual challenge. So let's cross our fingers and hope they can do both.
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I think I may have asked a prior TB this. If so, I apologize. How do you guys feel about the whole subject of "research" or "extras" online? Webisodes, wikis, comics in the case of Heroes, etc.? I personally think they're okay, but I start to get pissed off when it's implied that I won't enjoy the show as much without the "enhancement" content. I feel like if I have to go out of my way to find out extra information about an episode of a TV show, the show has failed. Lost thankfully is watchable and a complete experience on its own merits, but I worry for future TV shows. I felt this same way about Southland Tales. I read a number of interviews and fan reviews that implied the movie is much more watchable if you read the graphic novel prequel. To me that says Richard Kelly failed. I shouldn't have to do homework to appreciate and follow a story. If I do and it makes the story better, great. But it shouldn't be required.
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I realize there is a LOT of "Lost" infomation out there on the interwebs. But you know what would be really useful if you could figure out a way to sidebar it? A Cast Of Characters list with the correct spelling or character and actor names of the Lost cast. Arranged either alphabetically or, better, with the current cast members at the top.Yeah, IMDb has the info, but theirs is ordered by number of appearances so to get to the Freighties and the Science Team you have to wade through a bunch of dead Tailies. (Ghod, would that sentence make any sense to anyone but a Lost fan?)After years of coming here, to still be reading opinions about "Mr. Echo" and "Ana Luisa" and "Lapindius". You'd almost think people who have been fans of a show for four years would know the names of the characters by now.Oh, and in addition to character (and alias) and actor names, a one sentence or fragment description would be very useful for people who know they're looking for "The Pilot" but don't know his name.Example: Hurley (Hugo Reyes) - Jorge Garcia - friendly obese millionaire jinx "Dude".I don't know if bloggers take requests or can do sidebars, but something like this would be Very Helpful. If it already exists out there in a similar form (better organized than IMDb) can someone tinyurl link to it?Thanx, Nappy.
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The FUNNIEST of the Star Trek comedy episode movies. Trekkies LOVE parodies and that one was a full length big budget spoof starring the original cast and directed by Kirk hisself.I never understood the Star Trek V hate - it's hilarious.My favorite line: Scotty (asked directions): "Just go down to the end of this hallway and turn right at the green screen." (Probably not a verbatim accurate quote, but that was the gist of the joke.)
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The FUNNIEST of the Star Trek comedy episode movies. Trekkies LOVE parodies and that one was a full length big budget spoof starring the original cast and directed by Kirk hisself.I never understood the Star Trek V hate - it's hilarious.My favorite line: Scotty (asked directions): "Just go down to the end of this hallway and turn right at the green screen." (Probably not a verbatim accurate quote, but that was the gist of the joke.)
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That is my definitive go-to site for any Lost info I need.Just got done rewatching The Economist, and HOTDAMN is Elsa a total babe or what? In my dreams I have Elsa and "roughing it" Kate pulling an all-nighter, if ya know what I mean.I'm still confused about the golf guy in the beginning, who exactly could he be?
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I swear I'm not trying to pad the post count. One click and I'm through. (this posted to pad the count.)
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yep.. that's what this post is. LOL. also about The Economist, when Ben said to Sayid "remember the last time you acted with your heart instead of your gun(gut?)?" I think Ben was referring to Sayid ratting out Michael. I dunno if yous guys talked about that already or not, but it's my theory.
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probably means we get a taste of the "war" that is seemingly inevitable between the freighters and the islanders. I remember in the promo that Locke had a gun and said something like "ready for war" SPOILER.
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Is or isn't Frank Lapidus looking at his dead self in the wreckage on tv?I ask this because I don't trust Ben. I want to because he's a badass, imo, but.. I can't figure that bit into rational theorizing.
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...home to the mainland...I have to imagine they all get hooded and bagged and led to a room...when their hoods are lifted...it's....Well...YOU KNOW WHO....standing there before them.
And he will say..."You lucky son's of bitches...you made it off the island. Congratulations. Many have died trying...but now...it's time to go over your stories...shall we?"...
They all nervously look at each other...
(Poom) LOST.
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I'm trying to think, who would approach the O6 like that post-rescue. If it's Ben, how would he get off the island? The Temple?
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Lamest Lost "video" ever. In fact it had nothing to do with Lost at all... is the song played during the credits at all? I was expecting some kind of Lost clip mashup with this guy singin over it. sofa king weetawded.
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But we'll see, could be a player we have not met...could be Abbadon. Could be Hanso...Piak...God only knows... Lotsa people don't want that island discussed.
But I gauran-goddamn-tee you...Season 4 will NOT go much further than them getting back and receiving their instructions about "the lie".
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Every1 have a great weekend! Namaste.
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I don't think Michael Buble's video has anything to do with Lost! I think it's just the name of his song! Then again, I can never tell when you're sarcastic.
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And one massively huge headache for me! Got a wedding and a christening this weekend, gentlemen, but I will do my best to keep pressing the button! Good stuff again today - keep it up!
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It couldn't be Abaddon, he asks Hurley if "they're" still alive, referring to our Losties. In Naomi's flashback, it is Abaddon sending her and her team to find Ben. At that point in time I'm sure he doesn't know about the crash. I think he's DHARMA all the way.The Frieghters know about the Losties once they get towards the island. Sure they are on Widmore's boat, but look at Miles' line to Michael in 4.8 "80% of the people on this boat are lying about something" which is a clue to his(and the Faraday Five as I call them) true allegiance to DHARMA.Point being, Abaddon couldn't know about the Losties' status on the island post-rescue because if he DID tell the O6 to lie about their ordeal, he wouldn't have said what he did to Hurley in the institution.That making any sense to anybody? Although, I always expect the least expected in Lost, so you very well may be right about him and there could be elements to Abaddon's story we still don't know.
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With the O6 facing the public for the first time- walking off an aircraft or something, news cameras everywhere, bulbs flashing, slow motion of them walking off the craft, looking exhausted and broken. I'd imagine it would mirror the end of the first season with them all getting on the plane.
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I'll be Team Faraday Five. I love those guys, all sneaky and mischievous and whatnot.
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I'll be *ON* Team Faraday Five. Not BE it... people can join if they wanna. It's not a closed club like the Finer Things Club over at Dunder Mifflin.
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I'm thinking the Six getting off the island. Either the helicopter lifting off or freighter setting sail away from the island.Have they ever done a special effects model shot of an arial view of the island? Considering that - not wanting to seem like an unbeliever or a grinch tattling to some kid about Santa - but you know there's no actual real island, right? Seriouslyly, if the arial shot pulled back from the freighter and showed the island and it was Hawaii, we'd probably notice the hotels and stuff.
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should I have marked 'there's no real island' with a SPOILER warning?
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Knowing how Lost's finales work, we probably will see the expected turnout that we all anticipate, but THEN it'll cut to something completely crazy and out of left fieldThink about it, NOBODY predicted the last scene of S2, the people in the Antarctic and the magnetic anomaly, and it relating to Penny.And all of S3 finale.. who EVER expected that? I too bet on seeing the O6 being taken off the island at season's end, yet we'll probably be left with a cliffhanger to keep us drooling for months.
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Being a Digg frequenter, there's something going on righ now with the Mets taking votes for the song they'll play during the 8th inning all year.We all wanna RickRoll the Mets. Check out the article. Vote with fake names.. vote often. This would be the shit if all goes according to plan.
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much to post on with LOST lately. Work has been a bitcj leading into Sprin Break...which has now begun (whew). 9 whole days to catch up on my rewatch of season 2. I need to get back into our rewatches - I missed The Economist, which is one of my faves. Oh well, on to Eggy Town...or rather, the Kate yawner. Oh - not really...it was a necessary ep. And the Aaron reveal was a classic wtf moment.
Anyway - I need to do my part to keep this link viable. I just hate posting when it's analogous to talking to hear myself talk.
For those in need of tonight's BSG and can use BitTorrent, follow the link below for my Mp4 upload. I've done this all season for LOST, my stuff can be trusted.
http://tinyurl.com/4qtlgx
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You're not the only one behind on rewatches! I started The Economist (for the 4th or 5th time!) yesterday afternoon and fell asleep. Not that it was boring - not one bit - I'm just worn out. And I'm ON my spring break right now! I skipped rb and other's thoughts on the episode, because I'm going to post mine soon. How's BSG going? My wife is a fan but we don't have cable. I just might have to grab those episodes for her to watch!
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NOT a serious suggestion.the ante-penultimate scene: We see the helicopter take off from the island and head out to sea.the penultimate scene: We see the six disembark from the chopper onto the deck of the freighter as the arial shot pulls back and we see the freighter sail away from the island....and hit an iceberg that comes rising up out of the sea.Cue Celine Dion and... [poom]...LOST
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Off to a great start. Wife is a BSG fan? Where can I find one of those? ;>}
My upload is a small Mp4 file - quick d/l. Wait until the morning and there will be lots of seeders. Or just start it now and it will be done by morning. If you 2 are fans, you have got to dive in to this season! And I'll have every ep up this way right after airing. -
to season 4. Then catch up on the series at hulu.com
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and regret never following up on the series. I've missed out on the whole series and everytime I wanna start watching the series to catch up for current eps I get sidetracked. I hate the feeling of completely missing out on great shows, so I'll check out Hulu or your link, Ed.
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Has only five eps from Season 3. Lame. Do you have anything from seasons 1 and 2 edshrinker?
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That is all.
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I'm fucking bored. I'm gonna skip Eggtown and watch The Constant now.
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I'm snorting cocaine off a hooker's ass and kickboxing Jean-Claude Van Damme at the same time. It's lively but doesn't really come across on a message board. Sorry redtoad. Better mild-mannered than full up with title spam or political punditry.
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I refuse to turn into skywalker/gothamnite/mrmcpoops/whatever else and conversate with myself. I'm off to bed.
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I'm just doing this season. The link above has over 600 seeders right now - extremely quick d/l. I will find a link to a reliable source for season 2 and 3. Check back in about 30 min.
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I'm definately interested in getting the dvds, edshrinker. Though I'd still dl the files b/c with any good show (as I'm sure this one is) it's worth watching more than once. We all can attest to that, eh?
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Obviously - this is all BitTorrent info. Great place to start for season 2 eps
http://tinyurl.com/3fqgkg
If you would rather do it an ep at a time, just use the search feature and type
battlestar galactica s02e01
This means you will get d/ls for:
s02 = season 2
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NOT 2 and 3. Sorry about that toad. But you get the gist - use TPB for your search for season 1 and you'll get plenty of options.
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Some game keygens, movies, etc. Actually now I'm dling the full anime series Gundam Wing plus the sequel movie Endless Waltz.
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They freighten me.Nit-picking on typos. My bad.I assume Alex thinks they're Freighties, since that the group that's looking for Ben and would consider Ben's daughter to be more valuable alive.If it's what she thinks, it's either true or what the writers want us to think. And after the Sun/Jin flashback/flashforward episode, who can trust the writers?
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Hotch: "It's no good, he won't talk.Rossi: "Dammit!"
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Very nice job. Thanx, useful information. I didn't know Rose and Bernard's last name - or Sun's middle name. And there are still characters whose last names I have trouble recalling (Jirrah). Having that info in one handy spot is nice.I hope there's a line between quibbling and being helpful. The names are nice, having the actor names in brackets would be even nicer.I won;t argue with your system, it just seems odd seeing Others Juliet and Alex listed as Losties (though I get that's their current allegiance... IF Juliet can be trusted), 815er Michael as an other (again, he currently works for Ben, so that makes sense.)Allegiances makes it tricky - Michael works for Ben now, Sayid works for Ben in the future. But going by location would require constant updating - Michael may be an Other now, but Kevin Johnson is a Freightie (or an other spying as a Freightie).Oh, and you missed someone: Aaron Littleton. And I checked, Li'l Turniphead does have his own Lostppedia page.Considering the time we have invested in the departed (Eko, Ana Lucia, the blink and you missed them Freighties. etc.) I'll look forward to seeing the dead list. All in your own good time, of course, have to keep your priorities straight.So, Paul is it? Good work.
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By Heather Havrilesky for SalonI know it's been a while, but I don't think I can move on with my life until we discuss the "Lost" (new episodes return 10 p.m. EDT on Thursday, April 24) sort-of-finale. What did you think? It's certainly nice to have poor, selfish Michael back. Of course his relationship with Walt is on the rocks. Of course he's haunted by having killed Ana-Lucia and Abby in his efforts to break Ben out of captivity in exchange for being allowed to escape from the island with his son Walt.Anyway, now we've got Michael on the "rescue" boat, told by Ben to kill some but not all of its passengers (Please wait for further instructions!), and we've got a boat full of thugs straight out of a bad Vin Diesel movie, firing their automatic machine guns in the air, thugs who are presumably charged with storming the island and killing everyone there. So the big question now is ... who's killing and who's getting killed?Kill, kill, kill. In the old days, when in doubt, the writers solved plot problems with mysterious clouds, polar bears, Dharma initiative clues, and the appearance of some important figure in a person's past in the middle of the jungle. These days, plot problems are solved by killing or threatening to kill characters. We find out Charlie is going to die somehow, and then he does. Locke kills Naomi. Sayid becomes a paid assassin once he leaves the island. Juliet's lover Goodwin ends up killed, thanks to Ben. Jin is going to end up dead. Michael is trying to kill himself because he killed two people, but he can't, so now he has to kill a whole boatload of people before they kill the people on the island. And how did the episode end? With Alex's lover, Karl, and mother, Rousseau, being killed by sniper fire. Maybe they should change the name from "Lost" to "Killed."Although they may have the toughest job in television, the show's writers aren't making imaginative choices, given the possibilities. Each new plot development feels like it does the quick and dirty work of solving two problems: 1) prolonging the suspense and 2) pulling in some old thread along the way to make it feel more authentic (Juliet's lover is Goodwin, who we already knew was killed by Ana-Lucia; the spy on the boat is Michael, whose fate we've never known). But the plot of each episode accomplishes little beyond those two immediate goals.The flashbacks used to reveal a character's personality and the formative experiences that shaped his or her worldview. Sometime last season, though, they became empty, plot-based threads that felt more like bad episodes of "The Outer Limits." (Remember Jack's affair with the creepy tattoo woman who said, "I mark people!" but who otherwise served no purpose?) And now even the flash forwards feel flat. Having Jin run around town, looking for what we thought was a present for Sun was a nice misdirection, since we thought he was finding a gift for her while she was in the hospital having their baby, and revealing his grave at the end was surprising, but what else did we learn about Jin or Sun in that episode? Remember how Locke's flashbacks demonstrated his stubborn pride and his unrelenting determination to win his father's love? Remember how we learned in a flashback that Michael had transformed from a reluctant to a dedicated father? There was growth in those scenes.Plenty of loyal viewers will say, "If you don't like 'Lost' don't watch it." But the creators and writers of this show have made it clear that they can do much, much better when they bring the question of character and intention into the picture. When they honor the richness of these characters, that takes a lot of the pressure off the plot: We're happy to hang out on the boat or get trapped on the island indefinitely as long as there's a substantive conflict that reveals each character's motivations and flaws. Do we even know the difference between Miles, Locke and Ben at this point? They all seem one dimensional, and we're left to speculate which is the most deluded or evil. Of course Ben will end up being the most evil of all, because we know him the best, and that holds more power than simply introducing increasingly evil characters, "24"-style. This show once centered on the clash of various characters' philosophies. Remember? Those days make the current season, with its little skirmishes on the boat, look like a Steven Seagal movie in comparison.
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You didn't ask me, but since I'm awake... what time did you try to vote? The Kate poll is closed. The Karl poll is open.
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Hopefully, the Detroit Tigers win one by that time. Posted early - I'm outta here for a weekend of weddings and family!
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Not sure how intelligent it is when she refers to Libby as "Abby" and instead of throwing in a line about Bai Ling, she just refers to her as "creepy tattoo woman".
Am I nit picking because someone is being critical of a show I love?
Maybe.
But her credibility is dented when she is so specific about certain things and yet misses a crucial character's name completely. It sounds like she watches the show because it is her job and her little notes failed her. She isn't as invested in the show as a fan would be. And her tone is trying to get you to believe she is a disappointed fan.
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I had to log in to vote.
And one more point about the article.
As for the actual substance (if I overlook the phoniness of her tone) is just opinion. If she feels cheated by the way the show is unfolding, well...ok. Sorry. I, for one, think Darlton has been creative and original in the ways they have demonstrated the life and death perils of the island. There is hostility at every turn. Death can happen in countless ways and it come to any character in the LOST present and in it's future.
There is constant debate over whether the "enemy" is even really the enemy, or just making hard decisions for the greater good.
I just don't agree with any of her assertions. Is she intelligent? She writes for Salon, so probably.
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torrent (avi, better quality version) has over 1000 seeders. The d/l should be extremely fast. If anyone missed the ep:
http://tinyurl.com/4c4km2
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is when?
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and about that Salon article.I thought it was well written and provided some interesting points worth discussing. Not that i agree with everything.Sometimes when new shows debut I write a review for the Jump The Shark yahoo! Group. Sometimes I take notes. and sometimes I can't read my own handwriting. An "L" and an "I" consist of a horizontal line and two vertical lines. An "A" is a horizontal line bracketed by two diagonal lines. I don;t think a simple transcription error invalidates the whole article.And if not knowing the name of Bai Ling's character means I'm not a "Lost" fan, then I'm out of here.Quibbling over typos aside - (and, yes, she should have known Libby's name) - I think my main disagreement with her would be her emphasis on characterization over plot. If you're telling a story, plot is everything.The show has absolutely changed tones. I don't see any deniability there. The first year was all about introducing characters and telling back stories. The fourth season hase largely been about action and advancing the plot and providing the answers fans have been clamoring for - the mysteries established in those early seasons.What she seems to be asking for, seven years of Season one, just more and more character detail and more and more mysteries added on mysteries, is exactly what Lost fans and AICN talk-backers were afraid of all along. I don;t think she understands how mystery writing works. you raise questions, then you provide answers. And with an end date nailed firmly n place, the show is not on the downward slope of the roller coaster ride, heading towards the finish line with, what, 37 stops to go? Roller coasters don't have stops, subways do. Sorry for the mixed metaphor.It's easy to say "She's criticizing my fave show, therefore she's wrong. Harder to be open minded and think "Well, maybe she has some points" or even "Well, I see what she's saying, but I tend to disagree. Picking on a typo probably won't win you any debate points, though.The other reason I was glad to see some intelligent criticism for a change is because the AICN Lost talk-backs - usually on the first day they're up - are so filled with the other kind. You know, opposite of smart.WEll, I'm off to go read the SNL talkback to count how many people posted "Is that still on?" "Hasn't been funny since..." and "Tina Fey's not funny (because I don't share her political viewpoints). Especially brilliant when it's the same people posting the same things episode after episode. 8)
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Nap - a typo insinuates she knew the right answer but hit the wrong keys while typing. As bad as I type, that would NEVER be a complaint of mine. She thought Libby's name was Abby. It was a fact-checking mistake.
My beef is the phoniness of her tone of "disappointed fan". She throws some pretty specific facts out there, sounding like she never misses an ep - but then blows Libby's name? A character who's backstory is so crucial and just returned with some fanfare in the last Ep! So the dishonesty in the tone of her article turned me off from the get go.
As far as the points made, I disagree with them. This is not a season of death and murder - as 4We8 said, that has played a major part of this show from day one. The bad guys are as interesting and elusive as ever this season. Just because a few are para-military types (who get all of about 2 minutes of screen time) doesn't mean we have villians worthy of a Seagal movie. Our freighties were fantastically introduced and I have no idea if they are "bad guys". Danny for one, seems intrinsically linked to our Losties - especially Des.
To use 24 as an example of how our villians should be brought along...sheesh. I like 24, but that show's IQ is so far beneath LOST...
Nap - please don't get me wrong. I appreciate you posting this. It sparks thought and discussion at a down time. Well Done. I just disagree that it was intelligent criticism. I could tear her arguement apart in the proper format (not in a stream of consciousness TB). 4We8 and I have both made initial observations as to why we think she is wrong. Between her phony tone and her misguided observations, her article is unintelligent IMO.
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I shot you an email. Its BSG related.
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Season 5 will start with our O-6 back home, the other Losties facing peril on the Island. At least, that is what Darlton is leading us to believe.
Do you think we will start with Jack's bearded/addict self as the present - with flashbacks to the time from when the O-6 first gets rescued - showing the things that happen to the 6 as time flows from that point to "WE HAVE TO GO BACK!!". The present time scenes will be the O-6 and what is going on that will bring them all together to go back with Jack AND what is going on with the Losties on the Island as they battle whatever forces are there threatening them.
Some flashbacks for the island folks too - to the time when the O-6 left and what all unfolded.
Eps 12-13 will go a long way to setting the tone for Season 5. I don't see them flashing forward past bearded Jack - so my guess is they will go back to the FB as a narrative tool. But Without FBs that don't move along the present plot or unfold Island secrets. The primary characters - no more backstory. The Others (Ben and Richard primarily)and Widdy and Abaddon and Danielle...backstory would be very cool because it would reveal secrets. But I think another Daddy issue with Christian and Jack or another Con by Sawyer, another jilted man by Kate - enough of that.
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"Crickets Chirping"
5 straight hours of dead air.
"Coyote Howls"
Ah hell. I'm goin to Hulu.com and watch some Arrested Development. I haven't seen season 3 in a while.
"That's why you never use a one-armed man to teach a lesson."
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I can see it going the way you describe, ed. Revealing their various struggles while they determine a way to get back to the island, as well as convincing some to return that may be reluctant. I could also see it going with a "real world"/island structure, cutting between the O6 and those remaining on the island, doing away with FBs/FFs, although that approach wouldn't be as compelling to me. And while it's too far away and the info is too nebulous to guess really, I wonder how S6's structure will work.
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with BSG. wow, was it ever worth waiting for.
i have to say that article was a little lame. although there were some fair points, i think, Napoleon, that you summed it up and made her arguments much better than she did. but mostly i really have to agree with ed and 4w8 that it seems to be an article written by someone who has watched a few episodes and has been asked to write an article.
With the exception of The Economist episode (and kickass Sayid), there has been lots of death by suicide, but so far only the murder of Karl. Lots of possibility of death in the forshadowing, but nothing confirmed. From the beginning, life on this island has been brutal and that has never really changed.
Anyone who watches LOST knows that it is generally in wrap it up mode. It's moving fast and you gotta keep up or get lost in the dust. TEAM SAYMOND 'til the bitter end!
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and enjoy Firefly. it is great.
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my pair of Jack sunglasses. the ones he wore in Through the looking glass when he was all Messed up. Yeah. Team JAck
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adding the dead list tp the regular cast makes sense - you won't need to update it everythime Jin or Claire dies (other than that one parenthetical word).I checked Lostpedia to see if they had anything on Lance and they didn't have much. I'm certain he had an on camera scene in which he was identified by name, since his name was in my notes. I wonder, have any of the other extras and background 815ers ever been named? You'd think they would slip in casual mentions, like "I was just talking to Phil" "Who?"
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Sullivan (hypochondriac guy) might be the person I thought was Lance, in which case Lance was just refered to and never seen. I'd have to watch those tapes again to be sure.The Sullivan article said it wasn't sure if he was with Jack or Locke's group. I have a more basic question.How large is Locke's group? Locke, Hurley, Sawyer, Ben, Miles, Claire and Aaron, formerly Charlotte. I will need to rewatch those eps when i can find time, but are there any background extras in "Otherville"? It seemed like a few people broke off from Jack's group when they went seperate ways, but have we seen any background people milling around in the old Other's suburban emcampment or in the jungle? Considering that he has the smaller group, following Locke can;t be all bad, since three of those people (Hurley, Aaron and Ben) get off the islsnd in the flash-forwards.
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I even went to Lostpedia and looked at the Episode guide.
What ep are you referring to when you said, "after WHTGB"?
End my insanity.
Doing a rewatch of Season 1 and 2 in addition to our season 4. I forgot how much of an ass Arzt is before he gets "blowed up".
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been away recently, a mix of work, band and my friends granmothers funeral has eaten up all my time....
have I missed anything??
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i was watching River's Edge last night and there was Doc. Arzt. kinda being just as weird as he was on Lost, just add a lot of extra creepy.
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got it. We have to go back.
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Haven't seen you in a bit - but if you drop by -
Sincerely sorry about your Heels, man. Great year. Another final 4 with Roy and there will be Championships.
I wish I could remember who the UCLA nut was that liked to post that it was already written that Powder Blue would win it all. Ooops. NOT unhappy they lost. PAC-10 weenies. -
I am sick of seeing my own damned stupid message at the top every time I load this to read the messages.
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You DID say UCLA would win, but there was a cocky UCLA fan that talked junk about it and repeated over and over it was a given. That wasn't you - you just were in their corner.
Just like ND in football and Duke and UNC in BBall, schools like UCLA with over the top recruiting advantages have no excuse to NOT be playing for championships every year. Who does UCLA, with their tradition in BBall really have to compete with out West?
That being said - it shows how damned hard it is to win it all - even with talent out the ying yang.
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Whaddya make of the post I put up on your blog? Do you think this could be Locke's sister? Maybe why Emily Locke goes in the looney bin? Especially if she witnesses the accident.
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ack! i saw part of that 4x11 spoiler. very compelling. time. space. fate. light. dark. it makes me think of the battlestar galactica 'razor' line, "All this has happened before and will happen again".
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How was everyone's weekend?
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Spoiler in blue
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you had a busy weekend. Back to the grind tomorrow?
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Two things about Claire's future :
1. Do you think she will die or just remain on the island, similar to the situation of Jin in a sense ?
2. When will Jack find out that Claire is related to him, will it be by Claire before he leaves the island or after they leave the island.
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While she isnt a character that I find interesting, being an Aussie will devestated at her loss. And perhaps even more devestated with the absence of poor Aussie "accents" of some of the people on this site.
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As a Non-American one thing I have been happy with Lost, is that the Non-American characters are not stereotypes or cliches. Could you imagine this show in the 80's the Aussie character would be like Crocodile dundee, Koreans would be Martial arts experts and Desmond would be for some reason playing the bagpipes on the island.
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Faraday. They should put that guy in a cage so we can say "hey, look, it's a Faraday cage".
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now gives Pilot Frank Lapidus 33.333% of the vote. He's friendly, likable, ruggedly good looking, has a nifty beard and a cool shirt and managed to land the chopper in the storm. (I also wrote him a key role in my "last flight of the Oceanic Six" fic.) Faraday is twitchy and mental as anything, Miles is nasty, sarcastic and untrustworthy and Charlotte, although I am fond of redheads, simply reeks of beyontche.
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when have we ever seen Dez pick up a bill?I'm allowed to say that because I'm half Kilt. When ever the nationality question comes up in an online survey I always check "other" and fill in "half white/half Scottish."
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...then he could be Queen Faraday.I wonder how old you need to be to "get" that?http://tinyurl.com/4muzmw
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Frank, seems a nice enough guy not incredibly interesting.
Charlotte, just want to punch for some reason, though I don't hit ladies, so will have to shoot instead.
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Because the light really doesn't scatter quite right.
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I know it was a good season, but 40-12? Hard to get over that, and top it off with back spasms...sitting at home today playing scrabble.
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Not a good weekend all around. Caps lose, pass out that night with a beautiful brunette I met at a bar in Wake Forest, woke up the next morning alone but still have her jacket and keys (which I found in my car yesterday) and no idea how to get in touch with her, then top it off with Saturday night's outcome and waking up with back spasms yesterday?
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hello.....I left a comment on room 23, my name there is funkimcmunki...from my e-mail(its an old band name incase u were wondering).;..so just ot let u know that its not some random swine
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I voted for Charlotte, just to spread the love a bit...surprised no one voted Miles yet.
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we need this TB back in the top. Time to post many pointless random questions/theories/polls etc
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But honestly people, there has to be something we can talk about. Here's something to chew on, is Widmore related to dharma in anyway or is he a new third party?
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IIRC, Widmore's construction firm built the Dharma facilities on the island, according to the online things they did awhile back, which I believe are supposed to be canon. But they haven't mentioned this connection on the show as of yet.
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Sun's father's company, Paik Industries, was supposed to have done some of the work on the Dharma stations, but again, no mention of this as yet on the show
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I saw ABC made DarkUFO take down the specifics of the teleconference. When I first read about it, I wasn't sure what to make of it. I haven't done much teleconferencing, but it seemed like it would easily get out of hand/confusing if it was truly open to the general public.
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that info was ever meant for the general public. Had to be a release to various media outlets and somehow got out. What a clusterf#$k that would be if anyone with the number and confirmation code could get in. My guess is that info has been changed.
My vote is for Ender to represent the AICN TB. He could scare Darlton into answering our questions. I love the way that guy communicates.
Does anyone recall how season 2 did critically? How about ratings? Those seldom mirror each other (see:Arrested Development), but I'm curious haw it was received by fans and by the media. I've loved my rewatch - enjoying them more than the 1st time I watched it. Can't really remember how I felt when it aired, though. ANybody remember how it went over when season 2 was ongoing? -
I'd love to have time to chat. Busy busy guy. Back at the grind. Cheers ed and all!
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but as I recall it...Season two was not overwhelmingly embraced and the usual cliches like "sophomore slump" were tossed around about Lost nearly as much as they were at Desperate Housewives.When you debut a show that shoots to the top of the charts, it's hard to maintain that momentum.There was some griping about how the season emphasized the Tailies and Others and neglected the original season one cast of 14 or so key characters. Starting with 48 and deducting the dead redshirts, there were still 20-30 survivors of the fuselage section of 815 we hadn't met - and probably never will beyond a few minor recurrers and a couple allusions to characters never seen.And in retrospect, one has to wonder if the time spent focusing on Shannon and Boone in season one and Ana Lucia and Mr. Eko will ever pay off as being important to the overall story. Libby, as I recall, never even had her own flashback episode, she just showed up as a mysterious figure in Hurley's past.Of course the biggest complaints about the second season weren't about story content but about scheduling. Skip weeks, pre-emptions, sometimes weeks between new episodes and reruns. While I think the reruns were generally shown in the correct order, I think there may have been a few skipped over. This was the HUGE flaw of season two. They worked on it in season three with the Fall mini-season, winter hiatus and straight through spring run but people still complained that six weeks in a bear cage followed by several months off crippled the shows momentum. For season four they came up with a new game plan - a nailed down end date and 16 consecutive episodes. But then the strike put the spanner to those works and we got a front end half season and a back end half-of-a-half season.I understand that for home tapers and DVD collectors, watching season two straight through works MUCH better than the way it was aired in bits and starts. Still, I suspect that in the future, when people look back and discuss Lost - and they will - based on what we've seen so far the show will be ranked with Season One as the legendary golden season, with season four ranking second and the latter part of season three after the six-part mini-season and the hiatus will come in third. In retrospect people will acknowledge that the six part mini season had some good material - Jack negotiating while performing Ben's back surgery, Kate and Sawyer consumating in a bear cage while being spied on, Mr. Friendly's "Not my type" line and the introduction of "fishbiscuit" to the Lost vocabulary.On the other hand, the long lasting general dislike of AnaL and the general "what does it all mean" pointlessness of the dead-ended Ana Lucia and Mr. Eko story lines - plus the deaths of Boone, Shannon and Libby and the wimpifying of the cool guy Locke character that even Terry O'Quinn was publicly complaining about - will tend to keep the second season last in the fan rankings. That's my opinion, I'm stuck with it, and that's my input on this topic.
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For the input. The sophomore slump thing I kinda remember - and I think Nap is right, after such rave reviews in Season 1, how could they keep pace in Season 2.
Personally, as I watch it (up to ep 10), I think they did a damn good job. The tailies were in the plan from the beginning - as Rose kept indicating her hubby was alive. I think the plan was - if they made it to season 2, was to introduce more survivors. AnaL added little...except for an awesome shocker when Mikey popped her. Libby - we may see more of her. She plays a part in Hugo's past as well as Desmond's. We'll get some backstory on her yet. And Bernard is still around as a reoccuring with Rose and they both had their own flashback. And mysterious Cindy, let's not forget. So the tailies do matter to a degree.
So - the whole Dharma/hatches thing has been brilliant. What an awesome mythology Season 2 has introduced. I guess I'm just too much of a fan to be overly critical, though I try to be honest (I thought Eggtown was a snoozer - but still compared to other TV shows, solid)and if they shoot a dud - I'll call it a dud. I just have not had that feeling yet from my rewatch of season 1 - ep10 of season 2.
I agree with Paul most of the time and this is no exception. The rewatch is even more enjoyable than the initial viewing because i know how this all fits together. It is all cohesive. And it feels like it is all getting better and stronger.
A complainer sometimes has a point, but it is lost in the fact he is always whining about something. Poop on every new movie, every new series, the new eps of existing series...always something they believe they could have done better. Since they have trouble just enjoying something for what it is, they try to make others not enjoy it. Misery loves company. You see it alot on TBs here - the SNL TBs are a perfect example. Or the fanboy movies TBs - always turd droppers on those. I feel bad for them. They can't just sit back and relax and find joy in the experience - always looking at life with a critical judgemental eye. It must be hard work living like that.
Ok - sorry for the tangent. Nap, Paul - thanks for the comments. Especially Nap - you put a lot of thought into that - it really brought back memories of that season's frustrating herky jerky schedule. Like I have said before...the perfect way to view this show would be to go into stasis from 2004 - 2010, then watch the 6 seasons straight on your LazerHoloChip player (better to view the 3-D, life size cans of Juliet and the sweet pooper of Claire). If I am getting this much joy going Ep to Ep with no delay, Season to season with no hiatus - imagine getting the whole mytharc for the 1st time and being able to follow it through to the end. Beautiful. -
Thanks for the countdown Buddy! We are almost to the 2 week mark. My God, May 22nd is going to be painful. What will the countdown look like then? Will they be waiting until January to have a straight through showing of all 16 or 17 eps? Kinda hope so, but we're talking about 220 days or so. Umphg. Hit in the gut.
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to stop with the long posts and turn them into many posts to keep this TB rolling.
Ender - I could see something like that, though that is kinda how Via Domas ended - so I think they will stay clear of the "wake back up at the beginning" gimmick. I think fans would feel cheated a bit. I would.
I think you are spot on though in that we will see some Desmond type powers in some of the other 815ers, especially Hurley, Jack, Locke. and also Danny from the freighter. Flashes are the wave of the future, brutha!
Because Des will be trapped with the rest of those stranded (speculation), our O-6 team will get all the help they need from Penny - as she'll do whatever it takes to get her Des back. I think Hugo's $$$ from the lottery is gone since he's declared dead - but the O-6 got a HUGE settlement from Oceanic. But even that kinda money isn't enough to get the powerful people and resourses needed to get to that island. Penny will play a key role in this. And Daddy Widmore might just help his daughter out - if it serves his interests as well.
If Kate goes Baaaack - her probation will be violated and she will have to go to prison - so if she does go, I think she is staying. Maybe her and Sawyer are Adam and Eve? Jack and Kate? - though that is a little too obvious for our creative writing team. The black/white stones Jack found on them are identical to the backgammon pieces Locke used. Hmmmm. Locke and ??? Cindy? Locke as an original inhabitant would make sense from all his "ties" to that island.
How I love this show. So many intelligent questions within this mythology. I must be a man of faith (though I always thought I was a man of science) because I BELIEVE Darlton will give us a fantastic payoff for our devotion.
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Eggtown
Kate decides to take matters into her own hands in order to get information out of the camp's hostage. However, this idea may cause a problem with the camp's new leader, Locke.
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[reposted from JumpTheShark Yahoo!Group]Lost blog.Paul Burrows has set up a Lost Blog featuring polls, links to Lostpedia character profiles, articles, spoilers and the best of the AICN Lost talk-back without the trolling and vulgarity.It's on Blogger so a Google or G-Mail sign in or registration is
required to participate, post comments, vote in polls, etc.For those wondering about the name, "Room 23" was mentioned in the episodes after Michael sold out several of the Losties to the Others.Jack saw the room while being held captive - it was where Danielle Rousseaus' daughter Alex's boyfriend Karl was being held and brainwashed. If that convoluted explanation brings back fond nostalgia, then this just might be for you. if it left you scratching your head and wondering "huh?" than a Lost blog might not be your thing.But Paul and several of the other AICN talkbackers seem to be putting
a lot of effort into this, so if "Lost" is still on your top ten best shows ever list, you just might want to take a look.http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/= Napoleon Park =
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Hey everyone. Hope everyone is well. Had to do my part to bump this baby back into the easy to get to area on the right.
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What a great show! You should all check it out if you have not already.
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Thanks, NP!
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Not a novel or an episode. Simply made up.
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.. next door at about 2 am can get annoying, but it can be pleasing to at least know my neighbor is getting some.
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GOT to get an exterminator in to take care of those giant gophers.
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He wishes.
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Tailies, we barely knew ye.
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Story of my married life.
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.. but not anymore. :(
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...get a series of shots.
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Drama girls. *sigh* I miss those days.
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I'm outta ideas here.
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Ok that one was lame.
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...and ANOTHER series of shots are required.
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Tips for girls guys don't want you to hear:
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If the sculptors from Madame Toussauds or the caricaturists from MacFarlane Toys ever team up with that RealDoll company and then start getting celebrities to sign on... the mind boggles and the fanboy obsessed profit potential.The adult film and sex toy industry already does something similar with... urm, facsimiles of other body parts.Which Lost girl do you think would have the best selling doll? Sun, Claire, Juliet, Libby, Shannon, AnaLucia (making her nickname AnaL literal) or Kate?And if you were an actress with some pretense of trying to establish a Meryl Streep-like serious acting career, how much bread would they have to shovel into your offshore account to make you sign off on letting thousands of fanboys own your robotic clone as a sex toy?Can you imagine the conversations in the convention autograph lines when they hit sixty and have to sell signatures to keep the bills paid? "Wow, Ms. Yunjin - may I call you Kim? - I had your doll back in my college days - I must have f***ed you four nights a week for about three years. When I got married my wife tried to make me get rid of you, but I kept you in the closet just in case..."
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Haven't been here for a while. Thought I would swing bye.
April 24 still seems like forever away. It is incidentally also the night that Heroes Season 2 starts airing here on BBC. I hear it is lame though.
Good to see the DVR ratings come in and that Lost did pretty well.
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First off, thanks for posting. I was running out of episodes. Secondly, holy crap I'm amazed others haven't come up with that idea yet in a big way!!
To answer your more specific question... Goth Claire!
The thing that blows me away about realdoll is that they have all this quality artistry, unique materials and still cannot make boobs that look natural. They all look like they have boob jobs! (even the itty bitties) Wild. I think instead of getting celebrity permission, they'd just make dolls that look *enough* like famous people. Eventually, they'd make one that looks a little too close to the real person and they'd get sued. This will be an issue with virtual 3d sex partners in the future as well. I mean, you've seen Beowolf, right? How long before we get that realtime processing power in our 3d cards? 4 years? 5? Robin Wright Penn (is she still a Penn?) might even be unlucky enough to be one of the first that gets smuggled home on a thumb drive by one of the artists. The mind boggles.. MY mind boggles... the world boggles. -
You make a great point - if a DollCo made a look-alike celeb caricature good enough to be recognized, they'd make the celeb and her llawyers rich and they'd be out of business. it would have to be aging and or 3rd rate D-list starlets signing on for officially and legally licensed use of the image. And for some aspiring actresses, this might actually be a stepping stone. "You've boned the dolly, now see her in action as "Talon Haylie"!"Did you ever see the episode of Boston legal where Denny Crane (the shat) had an inflatable version of shirley Schmidt (Candace Bergin). It was a little stiff, stern and expressionless, but then, well Candy ain't what she used to be either. Another sick question - would it be legal to get a teenaged starlet to sign off on the use of her likeness. C'mon, it's not underaged sex or kiddy porn, it's just a month old robot doll. And where would you draw that line? Hayden panettiere at 17, Olsens at 15, Sofia Vasseilieva from medium at whatever she is now, 14 or something? Or whoever the kids are beating off to now. At what point does having fetish sex with a vinyl coated figurine become even sicker?I dealt with that theme in a story I wrote years about about intelligent robot sex toys called "surrobots" who try to break free. I named two of them in honor of the MPAA ratings: Nancy-17 and Peachy-13.
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Yahoo group I co-moderate, est. January, 1999 (back before I even had an Internet):
jumptheshark
http://tinyurl.com/5t5gds
Media/pop culture discussion Group I own/moderate:
napoleon_park
http://tinyurl.com/m94nv
I posted the link to Room 23 at both groups. Yahoo groups require a Yahoo! registration and sign-in (which also provides you with a free e-mail account). You can get messages as e-mails or daily digests or just visit at the group sites.Hard to find could be because both are "adult" groups for adult language and occasional mature content.Yahoo seems to be actively discouraging their adult groups by making them harder to get to. Also, membership applications are moderated and screened, so be sure to have your age (18+) posted to your user ID page.The Links section in either group will also have links to my other two groups, The Beatles Lounge and Bound to Please, if you're into British Invasion pop music or BDSM. -
Pretty much right there at that point. lol. Seriously though. I'd rather have the guy down the street who had to notify me when he moved into my neighborhood playing with dolls all day in the privacy of his home rather than hanging at the public pool all day with a towel in his lap and one hand occupied.
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Gotta jump into that Beatles group. Love the Beatles, still. One thing that I've recently re-discovered is Lennon's great work with Harry Nilsson. Amazing songs. My general tastes are much more modern, but my love for Beatles never died, even when my other tastes moved on.
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The little used, never shut down younger brother of Napster. (1,011 users can't be wrong.. or found)
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Great story, horrible movie.
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Actually what I meant was that I reposted the Room 23 plug posted above at 8.28.06 from JTS to my other group Napoleon_Park. Saying that I posted the link there reminded me of something I meant to do, so I went ahead and posted the link in the links section at both groups. Since my other two groups aren't the key demos you're looking for (being made up of beatles fans and bondage freaks), I won't post the links there.Here's the way the links are phrased in both groups:ROOM 23 Lost blogBlog for discussions of best TV show ever, "Lost", spun off from the AICNtalkbacks.http://lostroom23.blogspot.com/If The Room has a sidebar links section, feel free to post the JTS and Park TinyUrls. There, I've done my bit to promote this thing - I hope everyone else is doing their part.
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Balls swelled up to the size of smallish cantaloupes. Oh wait, that was the MUMPS. Right? Or was it the weasels? I mean measles. Susan?
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..ok I promised myself I wasn't going there. Too late now. I'll punish myself later.
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...I hate your commercials, but I love your product.
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even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious.
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Hoo-haa!
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Even though S2 wasn't up to the quality of 1, I wasn't anywhere near jumping ship. Or "leaving the island", so to speak. Or "searching for a constant" ... nothing like that. Or "looking for an OTHER show to watch". Or. Ok I'll stop now. Honestly, I'm rooting for the next batch of Heroes and didn't feel season 2 of either show was as bad as many made them out to be.
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The_Beatles_Lounge:http://tinyurl.com/2qj7bySign in to Yahoo! and stop on by the Lounge. Join us.I swear i read this in a magazine once, though i've never seen it confirmed anywhere else; shortly after Sir paul announced he was leaving the group John, George and ringo were seriously considering carrying on, perhaps as 'the New Beatles', with Klaus Voorman on bass, Billy Preston on keyboards and Harry Nilsson as the chubby faces singer songwriter with a fuzzy beard and droopy eyelids. The point of the story being that Macca was actually important enough to the group that it would have taken three people to replace him.I keep thinking there's an alternate universe somewhere with those new beatles albums, the Gil Evans produced Jimi hendrix/Miles Davis collaboration and those Iggy and the Doors records we didn't get in this world.I loved the Nilsson Schmillson and Son of Schmillson albums - the Lennon produced "Pussycats" record is an under-appreciated treasure. Ever hear "Nilsson sings Newman," his all Randy Newman cover album? When one great songwriter does a whole album of another writers songs, you know he's good.And why hasn't someone made a 'Stranded in space' movie using the stories from Nilsson's Spaceman, Elton's Rocket Man and Bowie's Space Oddity". It's such an obvious idea...
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cantaloupes to get the spelling right. Sorry, just a quick over-share.
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LOVE Harry Nilsson. How cool would that have been if they had at least tried it? Harry wasn't with us much longer after that, unfortunately. What a loss. Nilsson's "The Point" is something I've been wanting to get a copy of in decent quality for a while now. His music was born to be the soundtrack for an animated film.
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yeah, I regularly posted to all the heroes talkbacks. I like the show. Season two - the half season there was of it due to the strike, couldn't maintain the momentum of the hit season one. The guest stars weren't as good - they lost Dr. Who and killed off Sulu and never gave Uhura much to do. Bringing in Sark from Alias was cool but casting him as a legendary Japanese hero was iffy. Plus they had their own Nikki and Paulo (I don;t mean that to sound racist - they were uninteresting hcaracters added to the cast to serve as redshirts just like TASG and Exposition girl, their ethnicity had nothing to do with it.) Plus they could have done a better job tying up the season one cliffhangers. And they broke up the team dynamic through both time and space. And they retread a lot of familiar territory.With all those flaws they still managed to be ONE OF the best shows on TV at the time, cnsidering there was no "Lost" last Fall.They may be one of the shows that actually benefits from the stike/hiatus. By waiting until next Fall to return they can carefully analyze what they did wrong and fix it. Plus, it will give li'l Hayden time to grow into her adult sexiness - she really does clean up pretty nicely.I'm not saying that Heroes season three - or 2.2 - will make the wait for new Lost any more endurable, but I'm thinking, or at least hoping, that chapter three, "Villains', is going to deliver what the comics fans are tuning in for. No, not spandex tights, capes and code names, but a glimpse of what the real world applications of comic book superheroics might look like. In a TV low budget sort of way, of course.
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http://tinyurl.com/6n2z69
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last night,just trying to pick things apart...jack wakes up way far away with a very white shirt, then runs person to person in perfect order, with kate following him around saying things like"your not acting scared, that worries me" and jack running around already seemingly knowing peoples charecters...god I hope they dont hit us with the dark tower ending, or at least the dark tower ending is end of 5, then there's more....watched the commentary of the ep as well, and jj and lid comment on jack shirt, his comments..etc etc..
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last night,just trying to pick things apart...jack wakes up way far away with a very white shirt, then runs person to person in perfect order, with kate following him around saying things like"your not acting scared, that worries me" and jack running around already seemingly knowing peoples charecters...god I hope they dont hit us with the dark tower ending, or at least the dark tower ending is end of 5, then there's more....watched the commentary of the ep as well, and jj and lid comment on jack shirt, his comments..etc etc..
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last night,just trying to pick things apart...jack wakes up way far away with a very white shirt, then runs person to person in perfect order, with kate following him around saying things like"your not acting scared, that worries me" and jack running around already seemingly knowing peoples charecters...god I hope they dont hit us with the dark tower ending, or at least the dark tower ending is end of 5, then there's more....watched the commentary of the ep as well, and jj and lid comment on jack shirt, his comments..etc etc..
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That is FUCKING BRILLIANT! Who the hell had the time and stamina to put that together?!? It looks like it is chronological order as well.
I guess they might be using "what" a little much then, huh?
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"dude" It will be shorter, surely, but I want to see it just the same. Brilliant work with the "what" video. Thanks, man. Made my day.
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I had a good time watching it.Keep it up guys,good work!
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Im a huge fucking Beatles fan...traveled over to Liverpool a few years ago to play a gig and visited all the wee Beatles museums and the Cavern bar where tehy made their name...very cool indeed..
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I think he's the dopest of the Freighters. Sure...Farraday is trippy and all...but Miles is a bad ass and he knows it.
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Not my first time there of course, but it's improving and I just had to say I love it now. Great work.
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Laid down to stretch my back, woke up hours later. I fell asleep trying to come up with a discussion topic to keep this group moving for another two weeks, and actually had a dream about posting at AICN.Where should I start...
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I checked in with the groups I moderate to see if my mentions here had led to any applicants there.I don't know how to dial down the sarc on this question, but what part of "age must be posted to user ID page for approval" is unclear?The JTS and Park groups are adults only for language and occasional subject matter. The Beatles Lounge is all-ages. All welsome but, as the guy at the door whose job it is to check IDs, I have to see that age statement. Yes, if Yahoo! gets reports of adult groups allowing minors to join they can and will delete the group.Rules is rules.jumptheshark
http://tinyurl.com/5t5gds
Media/pop culture discussion group Group I own/moderate:
napoleon_park
http://tinyurl.com/m94nv
The_Beatles_Lounge:
http://t inyurl.com/2qj7by
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Keep the faith!
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In spite of moderating a few groups, I'm no real team leader. I'm no Dr. Jack. More of a cheerleading group member. Here I declared myself "Team Bikini Girl" and I've worn out my obsessing over the background characters.So let me play the ben role and ask for a few lists and get the obsession with the background 815ers out of the way.I NEED LISTS PEOPLE!List #1, I need the manifest, I want a head count. We were told there were 48 survivors from the middle section, fuselage, the chunk of 815 that hit the beach. The Losties, the 815ers, the original 48. Now that I've caught a glimpse of the information stored at Lostpedia, i think we can find out if we've been short-changed.So, the first set of lists: the Main characters (Jack, kate, et al). The Dead List (Boone, Shannon). The minor dead (The Pilot - the cockpit is not actually "middle section" but I'm willing to count him as one of the 48 since he actually had an episode - "the Pilot" - named after him. 8) [subquestion: use of " :) " style emoticons and LOL type internet abbreviations - a useful way to indicate joking of a threat to intelligent discourse - discuss]Then there are a. Named extras (Steve). b. Recurring unnamed extras (striped shirt girl, etc.) and c. characters referred to but unseen (Joanna) even if only mentioned once (Sawyer said that Steve (who he called Scott even after Scott was killed by Ethan) was sleeping with Tracy. Only mention of Tracy and all we know about her is she's married with two kids back home in Fresno.The point of this exercise: can we add up those characters and confirm that we have actually been given the 48 characters the show originally advertised?
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This one should be even easier. Again, the show was originally advertised as having 48 characters. I'm sure we have been given far many more than that in terms of significant characters.List #2: 48 important characters. Losties/dead list//Tailies (taken)/Others/Dharma/Science Team/Freighties/key recurring flashback characters (friends/family/co-workers/enemies)/flash forward characters.Fish biscuit for the first person to list 48 IMPORTANT characters.Bonus fishbiscuts for listing Character Name (actor name)
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As I laid down to rest and gave some thought to a discussion topic, I had this thought.
What's going on on the Other Island? The place with the operating room and the bear cages and, I think, Room 23. Where The others took Jack, Kate and Sawyer after Michael betrayed them to be reunited with Walt.Is Cindy the stewardess still taking care of the children? And who's in charge with Ben captured, Mrs. Klugh and Mr. Friendly dead, Juliet defected, Alex freed, Karl dead? Is Richard Alpert in charge?And is Other Island really that small? Om the map posted at Room 23 it makes the Other island look about the size of a large city park in comparison to the Lost island. Of course those (non-canon?) maps are just based on accounting for the various sites used on the show and the presumed distances between them in terms of hiking time. Is The Other Island - (or should that be Dharma Island?) - really that small?Travel between the islands was usually shown as being done with a boat - the row boat, the canoe, the tugboat. If a human being can swim the English channel, is the distance between the islands swimmable?I'm going to have to say yes, because the bear cages kate and Sawyer were held in were on Other Island, and Sawyer kilt himself a bar on the main island. I'm trying to picture someone in a rowboat with a polar bear taking it to the main Island. that might be almost as crappy a job as tattooing the Dharma Shark. -
Remember the early complaints in the talkback about how "The writers are making it up as they go along?"I've expressed my opinion - there might have been a vague outline, but they certainly didn't have 7 years of spec scripts written when they pitched the show, so of course it's being written as they go along. But what I'm wondering is, how flexible is the outline. How much can those vague plans be altered by outside forces and real world concerns? They've altered plans to accomodate Rose in Theatre, AnaL and Libby DUI and fired, Eko wanting to quit, Richard Alpert getting another series. Recurring extras have moved to the mainland. Darlton have stated that Nikki and Paulo were written out due to fan reaction. How flexible is the outline?
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Again, dwelling on the fact that Darlton has stated that Nikki/Paolo were written out because of fan reactions and "negative popularity," how much do you folks think "Lost" is being written "by the fans, for the fans" - that is, does anyone believe that the writers read fan mags, blogs, web sites, AICH talkbacks, WTWOpity discussions and so on, sifts through what the fans claim to want and then gives it to them. and if so, is that a good or bad thing.Season 4, first half seems to have been addressing a LOT of fan questions and demands. When Locke asks ben point blank "What's the smoke monster" I see that as the show giving the fans the answers they've been asking for, Well, in that case, Ben didn't know, but it still answered the question "why don't they ask the questions!" And that same scene did give a flat out definitive answer to "who's Ben's man on the boat?"I don;t want this to seem confrontational or critical of what some fans seem to like about the show, but when fan theories and hypotheses show up on the show, is it because the fans guesses right at what was planned all along, or are they trying to "give the people what they want."Going way back to the very first article about "Lost" I remember reading here at AICH, the high concept here was something like "Survivor as scripted fiction meets Gilligan with 48 castaways meets Kong Kong's skull Island with giant polar bears instead of dinosaurs and apes." Initially "Lost" seemed very much like a character driven anthology firmly based in reality with a few inexplicable mysteries tossed in. Now, 3.5 years later, we have a sci-fi/fantasy/occult show about nanobots, magnetic flux capable of destroying toe world, huge conspiracies, precognition, ghosts, time travel...I'm just asking, is this the show JJ Abrams had in mind all along or it this what Darlton have been giving us because it's what they fans seem to want?discuss.
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actually it was this afternoon. And the dream was that I was reading the AICN Lost talk-back and there was a huge amount of discussion about a theory that someone (not me) had posted here. it was a very controversial theory and was generating some very strong opinions, bot negative and positive, both agreeing and disagreeing.It was "The Coincidence Theory". Also known as the "no connections' theory.Here's what I jotted down as a note after i woke up. maybe it's not as great or thought provoking a topic as it seemed in my dream - you know how dream logic is. but here's the core idea:
It's all coincidence. No connections, no plans, no conspiracies, no Gods or powers, no Island Intelligence, no meaning to the relationships. Flashbacks explain how they got there with no greater meaning. people in LA & Sydney and in an airport and on a plane cross paths, it's meaningless.That's it. Sure there are relationships - jack and Claire are half siblings, but they don;t know it, may never find out, and it has nothing to do with them being on the island. Sure Hurley passed a group of cheerleaders adorned with The numbers in a certain order, but it was purely a coincidence. It's a coincidence that Locke's dad was Sawyer's parents con-man. There is no master plan, no conspiracy to bring all these people to this island. No rhyme or reason concerning who lives and who dies. it's just a sequence of random occurances, just dumb luck - more blind chance than any kind of "fate". there's no master plan, no conspiracy tying all the elements together.Now wouldn't that piss people off? usually fiction is unrealistic because it IS a puzzle where all the pieces fit. A mystery with a proper solution. but in real life that person you keep seeing every week at the store doesn't have some greater role in chapter nine of your life, you just both go shopping the same time every week. You will die not knowing some of the things you always wondered about. It's just STUFF THAT HAPPENS.In my dream this subject generated a lot of heated discussion - it's up to you folks to decide if that dream comes true. I'm just doing my part to keep this thing bubbling along for two more weeks. -
i apologize to any Scots here for coining the term "Kilts".I am half German on my mothers side and half Scottish on my father's side.Being half kraut, naturally I feel there isn't enough pain, suffering, hate, intolerance and prejudice in the world, and years ago I decided to do something to help.I noticed everyone had a cruel stereotypical derogatory ethnic slur. The Scots have stereotypes (alcoholism, bagpipes, thriftiness, haggis eating, sheep-sex, etc.) but I had never heard anyone use a really good slur for the group, so I thought of "kilts". Or, to be PC, "the K word".I also began identifying myself as "half white/half Scottish". I'm sure that, much like the Italians and French, there are Scots who consider themselves to be white. And the '60s British Invasion music had a lot to do with people accepting all of the denizen's of Great Britain as white. Donovan was a Scot, Van Morrison's Them (Gloria) were Irish, Tom Jones Welsh. Now I'm not going to say anything about he Irish here - the last thing I need is a bunch of drunk violent terrorist bastards getting on my case about their potato famine and how they were an oppressed minority both in Great Britain and in new york when they arrived in the states. i get it, Dum Dum Dugan was one of the ethnic stereotype members of the Howling Commandos. Fine.I'm just saying, if anybody doesn't think the Scottish were an oppressed and prejudiced against minority in Great Britain, forget Braveheart and just go back and watch Benny Hill and Monty Python again and count the Scottish humor.I know that was a non-"Lost" rant, sorry, but you know us Kilts and our temper.
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"There were 48 survivorsof the middle section of Oceanic Flight 815. Who were the 815 48?1.) Dr. Jack Shephard (Matthew Fox)2.) Kate Austen (Evangeline Lilly)3.) "Sawyer"/James Ford (Josh Holloway)4.) John Locke (Terry O'Quinn)5,) Sayid Jarrah (Naveen Andrews)6.) "Hurley"/Hugo Reyes - (Jorge Garcia)7.) Jin Kwon (Daniel Dae Kim)8.) Sun Kwon (Yunjin Kim)9.) Claire Littleton (Emilie de Ravin)10.) Aaron Littleton "Turnip-Head" (57 babies have portrayed Aaron - William Blanchette in the flash-forward)11.) Michael Dawson (Harold Perrineau)12.) Walt Lloyd (Malcolm David Kelly)13.) Rose Henderson (L. Scott Caldwell)14.) Steve Jenkins (Christian Bowman)15.) Charlie Pace (Dominic Monaghan)16.) Shannon Rutherford (Maggie Grace)17.) Boone Carlyle (Ian Somerhalder)18.) Leslie Arzt (Daniel Roebuck)19.) Nikki Fernandez (Kiele Sanchez)20.) Paulo (Rodrigo Santoro)21.) US Marshall Edward Mars (Frederic Lehne)22.) Scott (Dustin Watchman)23.) Neil ("Frogurt") (Sean Whalen)24. Sullivan (Scott Paulin) --25. Jerome (Jim Mazzarella) -- 26. Craig (Chris Candella) -- 27. ND (nondescript) Survivor (Ivana Michele Smith) -- 28. Tourniquet Man (Dale Radomski) -- 29. "Stay away from the Gas!" man (Geoff Heise) -- 30. Woman [in pilot episode] (Barbara Vidinha) -- 31. Barbara Joanna Miller (drowned woman) -- 32. Gary Troup (Frank Torres) (man sucked into turbine) -- 33. Richard (Brian Sato) -- 34. Tracy (refered to, never seen) -- 35. Lance (refered to, never seen) -- Vincent [not a human being] (Madison) -- The Pilot/Seth Norris [front section./cockpit] (Greg Grunberg)----------Unnamed EXTRAS - 36 "girl in yellow bikini" (Marcia Ardito) - 37 "guy with receding crewcut" (Paul Edney) - 38 "Striped shirt girl" (Faith Fay) - 39 "brown guy, gray shirt" (Amado Cacho) - 40 "blond woman" (Judy Chamness) - 41 "yellow shirt man" (Reuben Games) - 42 "Middle aged man, sleeveless shirt" Wayne Geiger - 43 "brunette" (Juliette Goodell) - 44 "Platinum blonde" (Becky Goodman) - 45 "dark woman, gray shirt" (Adelina Gregor) - 46 "blond guy" (Sean Douglas Hoban) -47 "nondescript redshirt" (Kavika Isaia) - 48 "short haired guy) (Dane Justman) - 49 "Polynesian redshirt" (Kalai Kamauoha) - 50 "black man with shades" (John Karaya) - 51 "long haired asian woman" (Natalie Mei Lau) - 52 "older man" (John Ludwig) - 53 "sexy Brazilian woman" (Marjorie Mariano) - 54 "food giver" (Beth Merritt) - 55 "midsection survivor - and other roles" (Alan Mueting) - 56 "background/stand-in/stunts" (Tony Natoli) - 57 "redhaired woman" (Kathleen O'Neill) - 58 "beach survivor" (Kiana Sedeno) - 59 "cocky smile guy" (Jesse Smith) - 60 "scruffy survivor" (Rolf Smith) - 61 "pale guy" (Aden Stay) - 62 "Asian guy, tan shirt" (Steve Tanizaki) - 63 "unidentified guy" (Jason Triplett) -64 "bald black guy" (Rand Wilson) - 65 "woman with reddish blond hair" (Lynne Wood) - 66 "midsection survivor" (John Yee) - 67 "unnamed redshirt" (Happy Zurowski"68 "pretty blonde" (Dakota L.) - 69 "man in ringer" (Tom Reese) - 70 "blue shirt" (EZ) - 71 "gray beard" (Floyd V.) - 72 "bluegray shirt" (Lisa) - 73 "Purple top"(Norma) - 74 "heavier woman" (Vera H.) - 75 "rose t-shirt guy"(Unknown/unidentified #1) - 76 "black woman in pink slip"(Unknown/unidentified #2) - 77 "Plump blonde in striped shirt"(Unknown/unidentified #3) - 78 "dark haired woman in brown top"(Unknown/unidentified #4) - 79 "woman in bluegray hoodie" (Unknown/unidentified #5)----------------non-canonical *80 Jake Smith *81 Chris Dobson * 82 Janelle Granger * 83 Robert D. West * 84 Sally Rafflethorpe * 85 "BJ" Bob Jones *Even if we assign the "named, never seen" and non-canon character names to the 'seen, unnamed extras' faces, that still leaves us with about 77 survivors of the middle section of oceanic flight 815, and that's not counting Vincent.
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I am Scottish and I have no idea what that rant was about....
Also with regards to changing the plan, etc. I always wondered what if JJ and such weren't betting on such a devoted fanbase that analyse everything? What if the original 'answer' was in fact purgatory or one of those early theories floating around. They might have had a neat little finish to the show a cleverish poignant twist. But then it became insanely popular, everyone threw round these theories, and they had to re-think and re-write a much more dense, complicated, mythology. And thats when JJ jumped ship... -
Checking out Lostpedia, apparently there were 7 "background extra/redshirts" actors hired originally - as the show became a hit and turned a profit this was expanded to a pool of 33 regular extras. Many of them have racked up a half dozen or more non-speaking appearances in various key crowd scenes. Some have appeared regularly on the show since the orignal pilot. Some also work as stand ins for the leads or as stunt players.But here's the interesting part I promised in the subject line. Steve Tanizaki plays a 815 mid-section survivor. It is believed that he is also the man Sun saw at the hospital that she mistook for Jin. (Yes, they really do look exactly alike)one can extropolate from this that "the Oceanic Six" were not the only 815 survivors to survive and get off the island.Strictly non-canon, of course - it wouldn't be the first time an extra filled in on more than one role on the series. (And he is not credited for either role on his IMDb page)
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"There were 48 survivors of the middle section of Oceanic Flight 815." Who were the 815 48?Characters known by face and name: Jack Shephard, Kate Austen, "Sawyer"/James Ford , John Locke , Sayid Jarrah, "Hurley"/Hugo Reyes, Jin Kwon, Sun Kwon, Claire Littleton, Aaron, Michael Dawson, Walt Lloyd, Rose Henderson, Steve Jenkins, Charlie Pace, Shannon Rutherford, Boone Carlyle, Leslie Arzt, Nikki Fernandez, Paulo, Marshall Edward Mars, Scott, Neil ("Frogurt"), Sullivan, Barbara Joanna Miller, Gary Troup, Richard, Jerome.Unnamed survivors seen: ND Survivor, Tourniquet Man, Gas man, WomanNamed survivors never seen: Tracy, Lance.Survivor of 815 but not a human being: Vincent.counting the dog, that accounts for 35 of the 48 survivors of Oceanic 815.And that, weirdly enough, leaves a pool of 43 extras - if we assume two of them play Tracy and Lance, that's still 41 actors who have appeared on the show past and present portraying the 13 unaccounted for middle section survivors.I guess there really is no job security in playing a redshirt.
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"Survived crash but not from midsection or tail: The Pilot/Seth Norris."I wonder if there's ever been another show that ret-conned itself to give a character who died in the first episode a name over three years later?
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You'll have to do a poll - Is the inviso text too annoying for it's own good or a necessary addition.
I don't mind doing it, but since 99% of our work is spoiler related, it might get a little old to have to highlight everything to read it.
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if Greg Grunberg played Seth Morris, the Pilot in the episode named after his character (I never get tired of that joke) "the Pilot" and Frank Lapidus called the TV station to say that the person they were showing on the screen WASN'T Seth Morris, then, no, Grunberg/Seth wasn't actually given a retroactive moustache. He was, however, retroactively given a wife and a wedding ring.Todays mystery phrase: "retroactive moustache".<p.Personally, I loves me some invisotext.
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My memory is like s seive sometimes.But there was a TV show that had a major mystery that was going to be reveled at the end of the series - or maybe in a season finale.Either the news leaked out or a very good guess was made and some source published the spoiler, revealing the ending. And it was a logical ending that made sense.But the producers of the show were perturbed that their surprise was spoiled, so they changed it and made the character involved in the revelation not only someone that no one ever suspected, but someone that made no sense at all?Does anyone remember what show I'm talking about, what the mystery was and who I'm describing?Because, unfortunately, this isn't a trivia quiz, I actually don't remember any of the missing details, just that it actually did happen.Anyone?
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that is even remotely close was Stephen Bocchco's Murder One. Having never seen the show, and only knowing what I know from the commercials it is the only thing I can think of.
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I love sarcastic Ben. It’s not something we saw before this season...I don’t think.
I think I asked this question before, but it still puzzles me. Locke tells Kate it’s not a democracy and Kate says it must be a dictatorship. “If it was a dictatorship I’d just shoot you and go about my business.” So is this telling us Locke is not strong enough a leader to be either?
I think we’ll see the answer to that is Yes later this season.
Okay, so for the rest of it I didn't find any real "reveals"...except for maybe Aaron. So I played a little game with the rest of the episode.
Darlton said in the podcast that the title Eggtown only referred to the eggs Locke made at the beginning of the episode. We found out/speculated when we first watched it Eggtown was a reference to deals being made. So I counted the deals referenced in this episode.
Deal 1 – Hurley asking Kate not to rat him out for being scoobie-dooed
Deal 2 – Miles making a deal with Kate to see Ben
Deal 3 – Kate’s lawyer telling her the deal for 15 year sentence and serving 7 (turned down)
Deal 4 (a stretch) – Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth
Deal 5 (an inferred deal) – The lie
Deal 6 (as in agreement) – Sawyer helping Kate “bust Ben out”
Deal 7 – Locke giving Sawyer his word he wouldn’t do anything to Kate
Deal 8 – 3.2 million
Deal 9 – The deal Kate’s mom tried to make to see Aaron
Deal 10 – Tell me what I want to know or eat grenade
Deal 11 – Kate getting off with time served and the stay 10 years in Cali thing
Deal 12 – The lawyer giving Jack the heads up about where Kate would be released because he owed him one
Deal 13 – If you change your mind about not seeing the baby, come and see us
Okay, I can see where it’s about the eggs Locke fixed at the front of the episode.
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I love it. Were on a TB, talking about porn mustache.
The pic I'm referring to was a stock, Oceanic Airlines Employee pic they superimposed with images of the dead pilot. The headshot of Greth Norburg had a porn mustache.
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MSNBC - When Charlie went to his watery grave on “Lost,” Dominic Monaghan lost more than a steady gig. Leaving the show’s Hawaiian shooting locale meant leaving behind his co-star and girlfriend of three years, Evangeline Lilly. After a brief split, Star reports the “Lost” loves are now back together. “They never stopped loving each other,” a source told the magazine. “They decided to take a break, but it was really hard on them both.” The couple remained in close contact and eventually realized they were meant to be together. “It was as simple as that.”
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Clariet myself, but that works too.
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julaire...thats the couple i support...15 days..
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That would would be my pick.
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Saw this on another site. I doubt it is correct but it sounds interesting. What if the site where the Others had Kate and Sawyer digging "building a runway" was where Tom got the picture of the grave Widmore supposedly dug up in Asia? What if they were diggin graves to cover for Ben? i doubt it is true but it is interesting.
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Claire and Juliet
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Juliet + Kate + Cindy
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Clairietenny - Claire Juliet and Penny...especially if the latter 2 were teaching the primary object.
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Awwwwww...I just threw up in my mouth a lil bit.
I kinda wondered...because in that TV Guide interview over at pa's blog...Evangeline used the word bloody in an very "English" sort of way in one of her answers. It wreaked of Dom's presence in her life. Miss Lilly is Canadian...and I couldn't see her using "bloody" in a sentence like that on her own.
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Juliet + Kate + Cindy + goth Claire + Penny + Harper + Ben's Mom
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Juliatendigarennyerbomikinonnieta Juliet+Kate+Cindy+goth Claire+Penny+Harper+Ben's Mom+Nikki+Shannon+Bonnie+Greta Did I leave any out?
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I'll have to admit, I'm not man enough to take on that many women. But who would be? Okay, maybe Sayid or Vincent. But that's it.
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I hope the 14th hour of LOST is VINCENTRIC!
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Didn't Veronica Hamel play Jack's mom in the pilot, or one of the earliest episodes? As far as I remember, she's never been mentioned again. Odd...also a bump.
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Who was her birth father? The guy she torched was her stepdad, correct? Did they ever say anything about her real dad?...also bump.
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If Aaron really is some kind of "special" child, then isn't it possible that her jackass ex may have something more to him than we were told? I speculate right here and now that he is actually Widmore's third cousin Sheckie...also bump.
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I will also speculate that DJ Qualls was really an Other, put in Hugo's life by Ben to monitor his activities...bump.
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Have any statements ever been made in the show about Sayid's moms or pops? Hmmmmmmmm....bump.
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Any mentions of Des's family history? Perhaps Team Saymond was created in a lab by Ben for future world domination...bump.
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John Locke drove that great little VW bug in his flashbacks, and Dharma utilized at least one VW bus on the island...connection? bump.
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Do you think any mention will be made of her again before the series ends?
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I found it odd that they would introduce a new character, one with seeming importance in the Other's hierarchy, and cast said character with an Oscar-nominated actress, just to kill her off, and basically off-screen, before she ever did anything else. I know this goes back to S3, and I'm sure you guys discussed it when it was new, but I was wondering if you guys had any thoughts to why her character was handled that way. General dislike of that particular episode? One too many characters to deal with? Behind-the-scenes trouble with Diana Scarwid?...bump.
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But only 6 more days to pay your taxes, US Lost fans!
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Revealed Wayne to be Kate's biological dad. PArt of the reason she killed him. Momsy was having an affair with the redneck while patriotic dad was at war (commie slut). As Kate's GI Dad said, "She looooves him". So he didn't go bad ass on him when he discovered she got preggers while he was defending our Country.
So, Mama Austin not only is a snitch, but a slut that fucked around on her hubby while he was risking his life and supporting her financially. What a class act. No wonder Kate wanted her no where near Aaron.
Just watched that Ep. Got pretty mad when Col. Austin started crying for Kate. Loved her like a daughter even though she wasn't even his. Classy guy - don't know if I could do it. Appears to be the only parent that cares for her - while her 2 biologicals fucked her over.
It really added weight to the Eggtown scene with Momsy scene. Past Kate would have played her for all she was worth to be sprung from prison. She risked her mom testifying by telling her she wanted her no where near Aaron (good for her). Maybe she backed off that - though I don't think so. I think mom just didn't testify (guilt anyone?). Would this case dissolve just like that? No way. They had her on countless other state and federal charges. If that DA wanted prison time, she would have got it. Maybe public sentiment was such that if the DA wanted to get re-elected, she figured she better soften her stance and let Kate walk.
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was very odd. She gets introduced and you get the feeling that she will play a huge role - and then nothing. The actress (Diane Scarwid? Was that her?) finished a couple eps with Prison Break around the same time she was on Lost (she was the cougar that Tea Bag wanted to put the wood to during a couple unmemorable eps). So - work isn't that plentiful for her. You'd think she'd jump at a reoccurring role on Lost.
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were so careless with the script for Eggtown? The whole trial thing could have been put together so it had realism - not the mish mash they threw at us. Defense presents BEFORE prosecution? That a wacky California thing? (Of course not). The whole "star witness" refuses to testify, so ALL is lost? Shit - the Larceny, grand theft auto stuff would have gotten her at least 5 years. And that stuff was a slam dunk.
The writing is just so sharp on this show. I'm surprised at the sloppiness of this Ep.
Otherwise - I still think 3.2 is a code. I'm guessing it meant 32 hours til the troops come from Widmore. You see some recognition - an "ah-ha" moment when he says, "why not 3.3 or 3.4, 3.5..." I think he got the message. Miles is working for Ben somehow. Maybe his ability is linked to the abilities that Des and Danny have. He sees those that have shifted into other dimensions (like - when you die???). Just a thought. -
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I smacked myself in the head for forgetting the deal with Kate's dad...what I get for typing multiple bump posts while watching a movie...Kate's recruiter dad was even played by Cancerman's thug from the first 2 seasons of XFiles, so I should have remembered him.
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I'm with the camp thinking the 3.2 was code for the freighter thugs arrival.
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I agree it's code, but for what I'm still not convinced.
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I think it'll take a lot longer for all of the rest of us to be allowed on board such a thing. Of course, if taxes paid for the thing, even partly, they better get it to us fairly soon. I'm still waiting for fiber to come to any place other than ROSEVILLE, CA. Where? Exactly. It's exciting stuff, all of it. The idea of HD teleconferencing, telepresence, real-time VR-type virtual worlds, real network computing, etc is REALLY exciting. Just when everyone says we've reached some kind of peak, and it's all downhill or steady from there, we take another leap. For another take on all of this, see Bill Joy's famous (and infamous) essay from Wired a few years back:
http://tinyurl.com/a6i2
Personally, I'm all for this stuff. Joy's point of view is interesting and appeals to the "sky is falling, holy shit we're all gonna die!!" guy in my head, but overall I think it's far too pessimistic. The future will always be bright and dark. Just like the past. -
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I'm just thinking about out time frame. If those are freighter thugs that got Karl and Danielle, it would be about 32 hrs since Miles met with Ben. 3.2 mil = 32 hours. That's why Ben said, "why not 3.3 or 3.4, 3.5..." Why not 33, 34, 35 hours? Then he caugh t a look and realized, oh shit, Miles DOES know exactly. They are coming. Right after that, he is imploring Danielle to get Alex out of there. How would he know that they were about to be attacked...unless somehow Miles gave him that intel.
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Have you read Darkly Dreaming Dexter?
Thought I'd return the sentiment if you had not since you were so kind with passing on Valis to someone.
Tell me more about the Roseville, CA thing. What's up? I did a speed check on my broadband - I'm supposed to have this RR turbo and have superfast connection...and it peaks out at just under 6 MB/s ...far below the graph they show for several areas in CA. I'm pissed.
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Actually, now that you explain it that way, I think you might just be RIGHT.
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Here's the story about the Roseville guy.(although he isn't alone anymore, the story is from 2007)
http://tinyurl.com/6eyxnk
Basically, he has fiber to his house. SureWest here in my area has rolled out fiber to the home to limited customers. Of course it doesn't reach me yet (but does my sister, which believe you me has had me *this* far away from begging to rent a room from her).
My best advice for really good speed and excellent, hands-off service is getting a really good DSL connection. Speakeasy is great if you can get them. Very hands-off, letes you run servers if you want on non-business accounts and has left me alone for YEARS, and I can have 100s of gigs flying OUT of my network here a month depending on what I'm playing with in a particular month. (web servers, bittorrent, hosting large files for friends, etc... and yes the bittorrent stuff I host is all Creative Commons stuff, TV or private shares with friends) Perhaps if I started doing more dastardly things like downloading movies or something, they'd get on my case, but I imagine NOT. And others do that stuff on my network, so I guess not.
Now, I know people will tell you they get better speeds with Cable, but I'm telling you those guys these days are traffic shaping (in other words, slowing down anything that's actually USED a lot) like there's no tomorrow and no rules. They're getting a lot of backlash for it, but they're still constantly experimenting with ways to make YOUR connection slow as hell and your grandmother's connection *seem* the same as it's always been. I don't want to turn this into a novel, so I'll leave you with that. DSL, SDSL (if you want great upload speeds that do not interfere with your downloads) or fiber, if you can get it. But be careful, avoid BIG names like Comcast, Verizon, etc. They're the ones who are trying to reach your basic web surfer who wants to brag about his speed AND they have aggressive, paranoid legal departments that dictate company-wide policy, which is constantly morphing with each new attempt to discourage you from using a GIVE-TAKE internet. They want all of it to be like TV.. you take, THEY give. As soon as you start to give back in any significant way to a large number of people, they want you taken down. Conspiracy? More like policy.
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Sounds like for the time being, I'm doing the best I can with Road Runner Turbo. It's a shame - I hate being left in the dust. DSL out here - I've heard nothing but complaints (North Carolina).
I'll look into it, but I have a feeling we're still in the dark ages out here (with the Research triagle - Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill and a big IBM branch it seems odd).
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Some time ago there was a brief discussion of how the final episode of the series would fade out.(poom) Unlost(poom) FOUND(poom) LAST...A thought just occured to me. What if instead of a literal inversion like found for lost, they went with a symbolic reversal: (poom) screen fades to white, a fuzzy dark gray "LOST" floats into view.
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e-mail me at gotilk@gmail.com
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The writers on Lost are good at providing us with those "wow, i did not see that coming" surprises. Well, here's a scene I bet no one expects the next episode to open with.:"Previously on Lost" Ben tells Danielle to take Alex and Karl to the temple. Scenes of them walking, then stopping to rest. Karl's water bottle - and chest - spring a leak and he keels over. Danielle does the count down - "on three we run" She jumps up and bang, down she goes. Alex hops up, arms in air, shouting "Don't shoot, I'm Alex - I'm Ben's daughter!"The next episode begins exactly from that point, as Alex, hands raised, continues to shout "I'm Ben Linus's daugh..." BANG a bullet slams into the tree beside her. "Stop shooting, I'm A..." BANG BANG BANG and down she goes.The distant greenery stirs and the Freightie shooter Kearny rises in total camouflage gear. He strides over to the bodies. He rolls Karl over with his boot - the boy lies motionless, dead. He kicks Danielle over and she sputters and coughs up blood, her eyes open. "There's... something I have to tell you..." she begins and he pulls a handgun and caps her in the skull. He notices Alex struggling, belly down, drenched in blood, her hand clawing at the ground. He walks over, aims, and... BANG...LOSTSeriously, on a show where every apparent death is suspect and every detail of every secret is milked for all it's worth, nobody would see THAT coming.
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And Ben is one helluva an actor, playing the part of a scared shitless little ordinary man. He woulda fooled me. Ben Linus - the Master Manipulator. He knew his cover story so well, everything about Balloon travel etc...
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Sayid ends up working for Ben in the end. What a strange relationship they must have. Sayid tortures him upon 1st meeting. A few years later, Sayid is his heavy. Strange to watch that scene knowing how it will turn out in a few years.
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Ok, ed...I'll cut ya some slack on the defense presents before the prosecution stuff...but LOST isn't the first show to screw EXACT court procedures up...afterall...the scenes got the point across, regardless of the order...sometimes dramatic license is more important than fact based storytelling.
That said...
Did it ever occur to you that the REASON Miss Austen STOPPED Jack from committing another 34 counts of perjury by describing her as the "hero" of the "fictitious" Flight 815 bunch...is because...
Kate knew there was no way she could LOSE...that the trial was FIXED...that the prosecution was paid NOT to convict her...as part of her deal to keep quiet about what REALLY happened to Flight 815.
Sure...frustrating stuff to watch because of all the factual inconsistancies...But...if Kate was gonna walk no matter what...because powers greater than the court had made it so...then perhaps Kate wasn't so much looking to her Mom for a "break" in keeping her outta the pokey...
...than she was looking for an apology...and perhaps some unconditional LOVE from her mother for once in her life.
What I'm saying is...
The trial stuff could have seemed "fishy"...not because the LOST writers are idiots...but because the trial was "fixed" from the get go...and it mattered not that the "star witness" did not testify...because Kate's "deal" was already agreed upon.
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This is just a shameless bump.
But you idiots only voted for Faraday because he has the best lines of the Freighters to date...He's super smart and seems more like the 815ers than the rest of the choices...
But Miles is a far more complex can of worms, in my opinion. Trust me...Miles will turn out to be far more important than Mr. Clock Rocket...and anyone who stands up to Ben...or could possibly be in cahoots with Ben....is a far sweeter character to me.
In other words...Faraday = What you see is what you get...he's vulnerable...scared...sympathetic...Miles on the other hand...is a fuckin loner...lookin out for numero uno...not above stealing from lil old ladies...or stealing from someone as dangerous as Benjiman Linus. I also think Miles will be around a lot longer than Daniel will be.
Pa...I recommend another poll:
WHICH FREIGHTER AWAY TEAM MEMBER WILL BE FIRST TO DIE?
1). Faraday
2). Charlotte
3). Miles
4). Lapidus
5). Sniper Team Member
Miles is an onion...and he will have layer after delicious layer of goodness as his character's abilities...and personality are exposed moving forward.
Ben was taunting Locke in the Swan hatch for WEEKS...and it only took Miles a day to get Locke so upset he made him a grenade sandwich.
What has Faraday done to EARN these votes exactly? If it's just..."Well...Desmond's his constant"....all I have to say is "YAWN"!
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"But you idiots only voted for Faraday..."
I'm one of those idiots. Who peed in your cornflakes today? I like Faraday because he likes to answer questions, he has a goofy speech pattern and gestures like a madman when excited. He cracks me up. No other reason - simple mind, simple pleasures!
Great points about the court case. It didn't occur to me the fix could be in. That's an interesting angle - these people behind "the lie" have the $$ and resources to plant a plane and all those corpses, they could fix a trial.
I never said our Lost writers were idiots - just the opposite. It seemed a little rushed or sloppy to me and that is so out of character for the writers (I think I said that).
I just pictured all those talking head lawyers on MSNBC etc... going off on the way they let "let her off" when there were so many charges. Nothing but jabber and it would fade into memory since she was a hero according to Jack. And legal opinion can be swayed with enough money and influence - my opinion has changed with your mention of the "fix". Makes more sense now.
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great talkback, people. the "deals" explanation for Eggtown, the persuasive argument for 3.2 million being a coded warning, the observation that the court scene seemed so bad was because the fix was in. All great stuff that enhances the enjoyment of the show, and unexpected in the middle of a hiatus. Good work, people. Two more weeks. And if we do get an Episode 14, I'd say you folks earned it.
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I voted for blu-ray... I mean, pilot Frank Lapidus, and here's w
by napoleon park
If anyone gets off that island, Frank's going to be their chauffeur.Also he dresses and looks like a beach bum, which is very Hawkeye Pierce.As for which Freightie might die first... Well as conventional morality erodes and tempers rise (Locke murdered Naomi, Jack pulled the trigger on Locke, Sawyer would love to beat Ben to death, Sayid narcs on Michael/Kevin) then I'd say Miles is most likely to get someone mad enough to cap him or shove that grenade somewhere else. Charlotte is cold and untrustworthy, most likely to get caught up in her own web of betrayals. Daniel without a caretaker is five minutes away from walking off a cliff. but again, Frank Lapidus... c'mon, the guys a drunk daredevil with a death wish and if flying a chopper straight into an electrical storm isn't a high risk occupation, I don't know what is.
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I'm definately convinved that the snipers belong to the Freighter. Frank took the helicopter off the boat and probably took a strike team to the island. I'm not sure if this is cannon or not but the guy who played Karl said that when he filmed the scene there were guys in elaborate jungle camo that came out of the jungle. That makes me think it is Freighter folk, but I guess the Others could have that kind of equipment too. Still seems to be the Freighters. If the Others had snipers, why haven't we seen them before. Their guns see less advanced. If it is Freighter folk, was Ben aware of it? I like the idea of 3.2 million being code for the strike, but why would he send Alex to them? Was Ben's map a set up, or was he really trying to get them to the temple. Anyone compare the map he made for Alex to the map we saw in the finale last year that had the temple on it? Probably no connection but its worth a look. Is Ben actually working with Widmore? What a twist, the ultimate team up of the two biggest baddies? Ben contacted Widmore to send the strike team because the Losties were getting in the way of the Others? I doubt it though. Most logical explanation (which means its probably wrong): Ben knows a war is coming, sends Karl, Alex, and her mom to the temple to escape. The Freighter snipers arive early (maybe 3.2 was to through Ben off and it should have been 3.1 million) they kill Karl and Russeuo (I hate trying to spell her name), kidnap Alex to use to get to Ben. The strike team attacks the camp, forces Ben out using Alex. Now the Losties have to try to get Ben back, because he is their only real chance of getting off the island.
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I just posted that on Room 23. I didn't know until this morning.
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The Constant
On the way to the freighter, the survivors on the helicopter hit some turbulence. This causes "side effects" with one of the passengers on board.
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Disgusting. Filled with haters. People who claim to be "huge Lost fans" but ask stupid questions that any casual viewer should know. I had to run back to this TB and read a few posts just to ease the pain in my stomach.
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Been real busy dude. I didn't see it until this morning, and still made the mistake of posting it on Room 23. I did make sure someone had posted it here, and sure enough.
I hope a can get it down in Room 23. Hate I made that mistake.
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Yep. Some un-lost-educated fools I'd say. Didn't know there was a shortened season, didn't know 14 wasn't one of the numbers, didn't know how many seasons there were or that it had been decided. Geez!!
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Thanks. You have to show/email me how to do that.
And I love the invisotext. Not using it, but at least I can probably stay spoiler free.
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Jacobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb???
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alias - Gotham's Ass that made that post. Are you surprised? The only ones with sense over there are Gotilk and Ash0ko...but wondering with as much sense as they have why they posted. Well - they're not a TB snob like me I guess. Those handles will all be joining us when 4x09 airs. It will make me look back with nostalgia to this time.
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It's really easy. When you setup your post, just change the font color of the text you want "invisotext" to the blackest of black. That way, it blends in with Paul's background color (black) in his blog. It shows up when you highlight it.
I did it by accident once when I chose black for a font color - I posted it and went, "where the hell did my story go!?"
If you look at the story I posted with the new titles - I did it as a spoiler just in case. Now that Node posted them, I guess not. But the story is from yesterday I think? Look how I set it up, I think that work pretty good:
http://tinyurl.com/48rqeh
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I got an email from pa, created an account, logged in, go to the dashboard and chose room 23.
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during the (possible) impending battle between the Freighties and Team Jack: "You killed Kearny! You Bastards!"
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It's Keamy, Nap. So in essence, you are right, you wouldn't hear that.
Did pa make you able to post yet? He's got the admin powers and he has to list your name as a contributer...wonder if he got around to it yet. You should be able to hit "New Post" and go to town. If not - he just hasn't gotten around to finalizing you yet.
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I invisotexted. Check out the end ot tonight's watchback episode in room 23
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I guess that bit if direction helped? If so - good. By the poll results, we are going to be doing a lot of it from now on.
While that rumor might be false, the stuff I just posted sounds interesting as hell if it plays out. Dude is on the phone with Mr. Avelino? We might find out why he's on Sayid's list. -
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My life is shitty. It's all in the numbers. Because...14 IS one of the numbers, right GothamWalker?
Scamper back to the other TBs you soil, and get some professional help. Despite my credentials, I would STILL have to refer you out to someone who can prescribe anti-psychotics. I hear that is real helpful controlling the desire to SNITCH. -
You have something InvisoText worthy and you are waiting????
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I haven't seen Xiphos for a couple of days. I think he's still smarting over the UCLA loss.
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Michael Vick, follow the link to my Dog's blog. He found a nice one with a unfortunate bit of info on his activity in prison.
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yet ANOTHER possible handle? There is someone else out there like this guy? Do they have internet access at Santa Rosa?
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Gotham's Eve the "most annyoingly useless TBer ever"? Even if ann-yoing-ly was a word, Evie's not in the running. Even if you credit him with SkyFamily's stuff, which everyone does though he's never actually taken credit for it.SomebodyK and Someone13 are annoying, but they're way behind SikkFixx. That Jacket and Hanky fellow is a bit funny with his vicious all-caps tirades, but in an embarrassing way. Find any article with a remote connection to politics and chuckle at Jissssmmmmm and USS Sickness. Personally I don't think any of them reach the annoying status of the legendary Gabriel Ghey.But poor little Evie Walker? Amateur hour - just a slow child crying for attention. He's not hurting anything - just put a shot of bourbon in his babby bottle full of piss and send him to bed.
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Is that really what you aspire to, Evie?
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things to do while waiting for the next episode...
my buddy made me a cd of songs from LOST. went in search of a list and found this.
http://tinyurl.com/3g5fru
click on the title and it takes you to itunes. this page is for season 4, but at the top you can change which season of music to view.
the only thing i specifically see missing that is on my cd is the Iraqui National Anthem. I think you are safe in not having that, it is about 10 minutes long.
keep on posting!
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2 weeks! 2 weeks! Meanwhile, enjoy new episodes of the Office.
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We all know that "Lost" had daddy issues. It also seems to have women problems. Are there any Good women on "Lost"? Rose - had faith her husband was alive.Penny - Desmond's constant.Well, that's two, there was a time when "single mother planning to put child up for adoption" hardly qualified one for sainthood, but Claire is practically a madonna on this show. At least compared to Sun - unfaithful wife who planned to escape from her husband.Alex - last seen willing to betray her father to save her own life. Kate - killed her father.Juliet - never entirely trustworthy.Charlotte - something of a bitch.And if you doubt this show is hostile towards women, check out the dead count:Danielle - insane, unable to recover her stolen child, may have executed her team. Possibly dead by gunshot.Ana Lucia (bad cop), Libby up to something spying on Hurley?), Shannon (total be-yotch), Mrs. Klugh (an Other of some authority), Colleen (pirate) death by gunshot.Naomi (head of some sort of mission not in the Losties best interests), murdered by thrown knife.Bonnie and Greta (blocked outgoing signals, beat up Charlie), murdered.Regina - presumed suicide by drowning.Joanna - drowning, presumed suicide.Then there are the flash-back women. Kate's mom. Jack's ex-wife. The women in Locke's life. Sawyer's unfaithful mother.Heck, there are even bad women on this show we've never met: Tracy, married, mother of two, and sleeping with Steve (according to what Sawyer told Hurley.)I don't know if that carries over to "Lost" fans. It was noted that these Lost talk-backs are at least 95% male - unless there are a few more females hiding behind aliases. And for at least the first few days until the trolls are sifted out there are usually a few random negative comments aimed at the various ABC shows that are targeted to a female demographic and feature strong women leads (Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy... not that I expect Lost fans to line up for Ugly Betty.)I don't mean to name call or stir anything up - I'm a 55 year old bachelor so obviously I have my own trust issues with women that make Locke seem healthy in comparison.But with a very few exceptions (The faithful Rose, the constant Penny) "Lost" doesn't exactly seem to have a very favorable view point towards women. And judging by the AICN talk-backs, it seems to have a predominantly male fan base.Hey, I'm not going to try to analyze it - feminist backlash, arrested adolescence, whatever - I'm just sayin' seems a little weird, is all. Anyone else think Lost is hostile towards women?And don't try to balance it with the male death toll - At least they get interesting deaths - Seth and Eko, death by monster. Arzt, blowd up real good. Mikail, suicide by grenade. Minkowski, freaked out. Boone, small ironic plane crash. Scott, torn to bits. Ethan and Mr. Friendly, executed. Scott, torn to bits. Isobel (The Others Sheriff) may have exploded in the trap when the Other's attacked the tents, but for the rest of the women, it's pretty much bang bang bang bang bang bang stab bang bang.What's up with that?
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The stuff with the Corps I mean. Are you trying to re-establish yourself with them and they are being difficult or are you trying to get out? None of my business, but it must be incredibly stressful to have something you're so devoted to act like an adversary of sorts. Really am sorry, dude.
Uh-Oh. Religion and politics. I learned my lesson - those are 2 things I will turn from in a heartbeat here. Never ends well. Haven't seen any of that here in a while - see Xiphos, you cheat on us, you catch something bleach won't take out. Fucking around on our TB with those short mini-skirt, made-up like a whore floozy TBs.
Shit Ender! I'm so wrong if I screwed up that game for you! YOu don't have it and now because of me, you know how it ends, do you? Man, I hope not. I'd feel like I owe you a game.
the red hair and the way those baby blues (no candle to Claire Bear's, though) just stand out mixed with that accent - yeah, CS does it for me, too. Plus she's a bitch and that adds a level of fuckability as well. Anna Kornakova (sp?) does the same thing for me. The bitch mode just makes her sexier. Once, a dude yelled out, "I love you Anna!". She responded, "You can't afford me!!" Wow. -
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Easy moolah for you means losing money to me. You're probably like Matt Damon in Rounders. Gambling makes my head hurt. I get too uptight and stressed out. Can't enjoy it because I'm too competitive. I take the fun out of it. Very glad to hear I didn't screw the game up for you. So that is one ending you KNOW we won't get with the series.
Very glad to hear you are winning it, Xiphos. Just a shame it came to that with an organiztion you give your heart and soul...and blood for. They need more guys like you. Instead they try to chase you out the door. Are you limited due to injury now? If so, can't you do something cool like work in intelligence? (Or is that NOT a cool job in the Marines?)
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I think you spelled it:
Mile's
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Just wanted to say that, Ender. For no particular reason (bumpity bump).
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we will (with minimal bumping) hit 3 Grand before 4x09 airs.
As much as I want Lost back - I have really enjoyed having, for the most part, the same group of a dozen or so guys chatting like this during the hiatus. With riff raff at the minimum, everything has been mostly civil, entertaining for sure, informative, and uplifting. I stop here first thing every day and check it real quick before I crash. The only other thing I have EVER done that for is the Green Bay Packer website - especially during the season.
We've put together a cool watchback routine and have stuck with it. Paul spawned a great blog site off of all this and a couple of us TBers have the privilege of helping him. That has NEVER happened in any other TB I participated in.
The coolness of the "We have to go back!" TB has rubbed off a bit on this one. And it has been a great experience.
Thanks guys - I mean that. This has..and IS alot of good times. Hard to believe something this enjoyable was spawned from AICN. Never would have guessed.
And of course, a whole ton of credit needs to go to the show. Without a show of this quality, this group would never have come together as faithfully as we have. I don't see Two and a Half Men TBs last through 6 week breaks and June to January wastelands.
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it going guys? The office is back at least
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Ren Faire. It was kind of anticlimactic. It involved some guy dressed as a Jester getting mad at some other guy dressed as a wizard who smiled a little to long at his girlfriend's ample breasts. Smiting was exchanged and a slap fight nearly ensued, but then the Wizard got texted to go back to work at the Round Table Pizza and the kingdom was safe again. Honor wasn't preserved or anything, but someone totally wrote about it in livejournal the next day.
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or, more importantly, don't do it.When Rich, Jim and David and a few other folks decided to start up The Beatles Lounge they asked me to co-own/co-moderate because they know me from Jump the Shark. The group started off good, staying active, gaining members. I started a poll on "favorite British Invasion band". A few days later I tried to fix one misspelling and add The shadows, who were getting a lot of write in votes. My bad, tampering totally lost all the cast votes. I posted several messages explaining what had happened and asking everyone to recast their votes but we never got back up to the original total of votes cast.Lesson learned. Never irrumate around with a survey. If there's a typo or error, just live with it.
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I thought for a minute it was a carnival with a bunch of people dressed as a Chihuahua.
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http://tinyurl.com/449vqmAs you may know - as I've made obnoxiously clear - I am not a sportsball fan. To me the only important SuperBowl was that one a few years ago that made the FCC ruin adult content on broadcast television. Although I did enjoy McCartney's half time show the next year.There's not much I could tell you that I know about Hockeyball unless the name "the Hanson Brothers" rings a bell. Not the Mmm-bop band.I don't know if we have any Hockey fans in our midst, but over at the Napoleon_Park Yahoo group, Devilbabytales posted a link to his new Yahoo Group "NHL Bracket." Apparently he's drawn up a nifty downloadable chart for fans to keep track of the season with. And I imagine if enough people join, the message section will provide a forum for fans to discuss the game.Dev's a cool dude. I have no affiliation to his group, I just thought I'd pass the information along in case anyone is interested in that sort of thing.http://tinyurl.com/449vqm
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As I alluded to, I know nothing about Hockey other than having seen the films "Slap Shot" and "Mystery, Alaska", so thanx for clarifying the function of Charlotte's "NHL Bracket" group for anyone who might ne interested.
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Hadn't thought about it much...bein a dude and all...but the women on LOST are abused quite frequently. Let's not forget Sun's vicious "kidnapping" by Sawyer & Charlie....add to it she was pregnant at the time makes it even more harsh.
But in reality, EVERYONE on LOST is getting abused regardless of gender...and I have a feeling it's only gonna get worse.
BrightEyes...LOVED The Office tonight. I generally hate the eppys where they completely ignore the office setting...but the humor was spot on tonight. Dwight crashing the party with his 'babysitter' was hilarious...and he brought his own beets! Michael being so proud of his 23 inch plasma screen was priceless, too. LOST, 30 Rock & The Office are the only 3 shows on my DVR list.
Ender...I'm going to try and forget you implied Vincent is 'stupid'. If he is so stupid...how is it he's the ONLY character NOT to be abused yet? He hasn't been kidnapped, imprisioned, shot, stabbed, beaten, drowned, gassed, crushed or otherwise maimed in any way. I think the Losties would do well to live by a simple code:
What Would Vincent Do?
GO TEAM VINCENT!
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If you grab VLC, you shouldn't have any common codec issues.
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thats great work...
I've been trying to leave comments on it but its being a twat about it, not you guys but the whole google blog thing...
ive joined up and all but anything important that I need to say(yeah right) I will say it here..such as:::Without any doubt in my mind, The Constant is teh best hour of TV I ahve ever watched, better than anything on British/Irish Television and better than anything I have watched from American TV...just amazing..the acting of Des, the emotion, teh urgency was top drawer...Des for ur next president my American friends...amke it happen..
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I noticed something on the “map” Frank was using to get back to the ship. They were supposed to fly 40 miles north then 7K east. Who mixes miles and k’s?
Des should submit this one for award consideration. He did a great job.
I missed this before, but Dan said if they veered off course there would be side effects, and Frank reiterated this. So it looks like the storm throwing them just the wee bit off that it did caused Des’s effects.
“We last port in Fiji, so at least we know we’re in the pacific.” So the freighties only kind of know where they are. I wonder if that’s homage to Michael destroying systems on the boat or if they know there’s the expanded triangle thing...if there actually is an expanded triangle thing.
I know this is a stretch, but the vile the Dr took solution out of and injected into Minkosky looked an awful lot like CR4 815162342...the med Des shot into his arm in the S2 premier.
Reminder – CR in med terms is timed or controlled release
Sayid’s face when Des said it was 1996...priceless. Juliet had more of a WTF look, and Jack was more like are you believing this shit. And end that scene with Because I need you to find me. Man......I love this.
“You can’t change the future.” So says Faraday. I believe that’s the fate side of the argument.
And I just had a thought about that. Do you suppose maybe this will end up being a battle between those who want fate to determine everything versus those who want free will to?
Faraday also said it would unstuck Eloise in time. That would seem to lend credence to the all times at once theory.
Faraday said he could help Des, but “Faraday can’t even help himself.” That would seem to indicate he’s been needing a constant for awhile. He’s got the sickness. And that’s why there were the cards.
Best line – After your call someone has to tell me precisely what’s going on.
The phone call scene.....................wow.
Penny knows about this island because she’s been researching....garbled...and when I spoke to Charlie...
Okay, so researching what?
At the end of that scene did you notice how Des looked down...kinda averting his eyes? If Des now knows all time at once, then he may know what Sayid has done, has become, or maybe even knows what happens to everyone.
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SPOILERS IT seems that these next five (6?) episodes are going to be amazing. My mind is blown just reading the spoilers/ teasers. Ben in a parka? WTF (Does this have to do with the station we saw at the end of season 2?) Claire setting up a story line that will span several years? I thought she was goners. The big kiss, off island, but complicates the Jack-Kate-Sawyer love triangle? I thought it would be Sawyer saying goodbye to Kate with a big smooch but that wouldn't be off island. Who is the new group coming to the island if the Freighters dont rescue the O6...Penny? Can't freakin wait! These next episodes are going to be amazing, I'm sure of it! SPOILERS
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Article (plus video) of the Doc's recent visit to LOST's Hawaiian set. He spills some cryptic secrets along the way.
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Do we know for sure that Kate's him was Aaron? Did she say "I have to get back to him" or "He'll be waiting for me"? Regardless, she made it sound urgent for her to get back, like she would be in trouble if she doesn't. I find it hard to believe that she would be that concerned about getting back to Aaron. So who else could it be? Her PO, was she out of state when she met Jack? Or does Ben have some control over her, just like he has control over Sayid?
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So why would they ask for an extra hour? Does Darlton feel they can not adequately finish the season in 13? Does that mean that if ABC doesnt greenlight the 14th hour, then the finale or the rest of the season will be missing a key element. That scares me a bit. I trust the producers, if they want 14 there has to be a good reason for it. I hope we get 14, with a 2 hour finale.
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off jack early in first season, what if the time in the pilot when jack dissapears for a while, when him kate and charlie are running from smokie, smokie kills jack. remember jack just appears later, fine, relaxed, "did you see it?" "no"....possible jack has been smokie from that point on? far fetched i know, but im trying to go back and watch all these episodes that cuse said ha major clues....thoughts?
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With everything we've seen so far I doubt it. That would be a total WTF moment though. My favorite theory so far is that Vincent is Smokey and has been all along.
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New promo for 4.9 pretty much tells who the snipers were. So how does Ben's map play into it?
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Yeah pb I finally realised that when I read teh wee msg at the top saying that it will be checked by the moderator..my bad, apologies...
I'm doing very well, sorry I aint been around much but a mixture of work, socialiseing and other wee projects means that my days are pretty hectic at teh minute and no sign of slowing up either..
my best frined is moving out to Austrailia for a year on Tuesday and I ahve to go out tomorrow night now and give him his last goodbye before he heads away, so no doubt you'll not be seeing me on sunday on this, i'll be drunk as a skunk still
I bought teh xbox 360 not too long ago and have been hooked on call of duty 4, any player on AICN please feel free to add me as a friend, my tag is MaximusPrime81...just gave my age away there...:)..
I'm an avid fan now of room 23 and would prob visit it more than I would visit here..its a great collection of all of teh important lost info thats coming out, and those screencaps just up near made me pee myself, looks actiojn packed and tense...a sign of things to come indeed..
I once again reiterate well done to all involved
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Good to hear you've got some work - still teaching the little shavers?
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I was working in secondary school for a day there last week, thats teaching 14-15year olds...not nice kidsand the other days was in a primary school teaching 8-11 year olds, they were nicer..haha
hows things with urself?? I hope all is well
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Paul, RB, Node, and myself (posting there under Vincent's Brother), thank you very much for the Kudos, MP. Nice to know the effort is appreciated. My hand was actually shaking when I was putting those screencaps up because they were so frakin awesome - and reveal so much about the "war" that is coming. And poor Alex - I think that is her being dragged around by the Freighter Thug as they blow stuff up. He is probably screaming out to Ben, "We've got your daughter Linus! Come on out, or I put a bullet in her head!" Maybe momma comes out of the jungle with a stomach wound and saves her.
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checking in for the first time or coming back after some time away, the site being referred to is the creation of 4we8, with a few of us hacks helping out.
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I teach at a college and I don't know if I could go back to my middle and high school days. Big difference between 18-19 year olds and 16-17 year olds. That 1 or 2 years, jeez.
And these kids CHOOSE to go to school (some are paying money for the privilege). Just a whole new ballgame. I really love it.
Spring Break now - its wonderful. As you can see, too much free time with all the Vincent's Brother posts at Room 23. I'm spoiling myself rotten since I started doing it. I'm learning way too much about upcoming stuff.
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I'll post here when I get the avi file of ep 4x02 up on my torrent site. I was the 1st to get it up last week and had over 3000 leechers at once - that was really funky. But also - lots were seeding in record time, so you should get a decent d/l time.
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If you were to make the perfect lost woman from parts of the characters on the island what would they be? Mine would be Kate's face, Juliette's cans, Claire's booty, and Rose's sassiness.
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Kate's sexual appetite, Shannon's legs, AnaL's stomach, Claire's eyes, Sun's lips...
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have to agree with 4we8. Claire is all I need.
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were something along the lines of "holy crap, did I just see THAT on TV? No.. not possible... cause I have chills... hey, come here and feel my arm, someone! Oh wait, noone else in the basement with me.... HOLY CRAP!!!! This is the most amazing show ever.. *sticks head out window* LOST IS THE BEST!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THAT!! AHHH!!!"
Or something sort of like that, or exactly like that.
Having seen it again, I feel the need to reiterate, but since it's written right up there I'll refrain.
Honestly, I'm having a hard time figuring out how they can meet that bar that was raised, let alone raise it again. But they've managed to pull it off before, so I guess I'll just have to wait and see. (and wait.. and wait)
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Who will be my constant???????
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Reserving the right to resign if offers come in from Claire, Kate, or Sun
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Right back at ya! Man - I've got a week's worth of TB to get through. You guys have been busy! Keep it going!
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your posts have made me a very happy gal.
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... and i really do not mean that in the very dirty way it sounded. i'm leaving now.
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3 hours!! Yes!
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I'm sure there are a number of literary sources for the quotation that serves as the title to the next episode of "Lost".But here's the one I like: "Shape Of Things To Come" written by Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil. From the movie "Wild In The Streets". Recorded by Dave Allen and the Arrows with actor Christopher Jones on lead vocals, released under the name of the films fictional band "Max Frost and the Troopers" (later covered by The Ramones on their album "Acid Eaters"There's a new sun - Risin' up angry in the sky - And there's a new voice - Sayin' "we're not afraid to die" - Let the old world make believe - It's blind and deaf and dumb - But nothing can change the shape of things to comeThere are changes - Lyin' ahead in every road - And there are new thoughts - Ready and waiting to explode - When tomorrow is today - The bells may toll for some - But nothing can change the shape of things to comeThe future's comin' in, now - Sweet and strong - Ain't no-one gonna hold it back for longThere are new dreams - Crowdin' out old realities - There's revolution - Sweepin' in like a fresh new breeze - Let the old world make believe - It's blind and deaf and dumb - (But) nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - To comeHmm, would "Lost" quote a fictional band for an episode title? Well, You All Everybody tell me.
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Will the people from here who have applied for membership to the Napoleon Park Yahoo! group and Jump The Shark and been denied PLEASE post their age to their Yahoo user ID page and reapply for membership.Yahoo! can and will delete entire groups if persons without a posted age (18+) are admitted to groups labeled Adult.Also, when someone applies for a group membership Yahoo! notifies the moderator that if action if not taken to resolve someones application within 14 days they will expire. I don't know if this means they send someone to get you or if it's more like some sort of voodoo thing, but I don't want to be responsible for anyone expiring, so please address this matter within the allowed time span.Thank you, Napoleon.
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In the "just right, don't change a thing" catagory, Bonnie (Tracy Middledorf) from the Looking Glass Station is every girl I had a crush on in junior high. I'll have one of her. (Without the tying to a chair and beating, please)To pick someone closer to my own age (1 year, 3 days my junior) Locke's former girlfriend Helen (Katey Sagal). I never understood the running gag on "M...WC" about Al Bundy not wanting to do it with Peg. Loved her as Leela on Futurama. She did a Boston Legal story arc that led up to the most sensuous kiss I've ever seen on TV. And as of this weeks episode has been added for a recurring role on "Eli Stone".And I really like Naomi (Marsha Thomason from Las Vegas) but I just can't get around that awesomely stupid arm tattoo.But, to keep in the spirit of the Lost Frankenstein Lady topic of combining elements from different actresses on the show to make an idealized femme, well, I had to give it some thought, but I can do that.Starting with Kate as a basic template, I'd add Danielle's hair (what can I say, I'm a dirty hippy), out of focus girl wandering around in a yellow bikini's wardrobe and Goth Claire's make up sense. Facially, Claire's lips, Alex's nose, Sun's eyes, Charlotte's teeth and Ana Lucia's skin color. Add Sun's disposition, Cindy's dedication and Claire's Aussie accent and there you have it. Oh, I know you were expecting the obligatory Juliet's cans reference, but I gotta go with Rose here - I like 'em with a little sling or hang. For the tush, Naomi - that plumber's crack screen cap of her someone linked to still has me intrigued. I'm not a leg man, but let's say Joanna. I know, we never saw her, but hey, swimmers legs - gotta be good.
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best web browser ever, and now with Ad-Block. Goodbye, Busted-T's girl.
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With what you read here, how could you ever feel the need to apologize about something "sounding" dirty?
And I know Paul well enough to know he wouldn't take it that way. Neither would I. Unless you meant to have it sound dirty, in which case...
I digress...
Room 23 is alot of fun. Now - if we can find some sources so we can actually scoop something instead of passing it along.
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Notice any problems with plug ins or any other bugs yet? How is the speed on sites like digg? I've been thinking about trying it out. I love 2, but I've been using Opera a bit lately on certain sites for speed.
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Man, the best way is to start looking up names in credits and using your google skills. Ask for short interviews and hope for the best. The main thing that stops people from contacting people they admire (other than restraining orders) is the feeling that it won't work out.. just won't happen. Or that they'll say the wrong thing.. or get a big NO. Well, don't focus on contact with one person. Focus on 25 instead. Out of those, you'll either be busy with 20 or lucky with 1 or 2. But there's no way you'll come out of it with nothing. One contact will usually lead to 2, and so on.
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Care to share, Gotilk? Who have you stalked ;>}
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been playing Sins of a Solar Empire. That game is.. videogame crack.
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Not as much for myself, but helped others get in touch with people they admired by finding those who work to support them. A lot of what stops most people is that fear that they'll look like stalkers or be perceived as such. But if what you want is an interview, or even just an autograph, that's not something you should worry about. Real stalkers never let up and can even get worse when people tell them to back off. If you get the back off signal, in any way, you just gotta move on. As it applies to getting lost "scoops", you won't exactly be looking for autographs, you'll want interviews. E-mail, most likely. The real work is just finding contacts. If you end up flying to Hawaii and looking up people at extended stay hotels, it's time to re-evaluate your methods.
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Right along the techie newsletters like Z|Net have been touting the Firefox 3 beta tests as extremely stable and non-buggy, so there's no worry there. (I try to steer clear of test versions, but Advanced WindowsCare 3 beta 1.1 has some nice new features, although a couple of things haven't been started yet. The Yahoo! mail and MyYahoo page betas still need work.)Firefox has traditionally been touted as safer than IE, though with Microsoft's constant patching and Mozilla's increasingly frequent upgrades, that seems to be running neck and neck lately. What sold me were the reports that were saying Firefox beta 4 was just barely the fastest browser, narrowly beating out Apple's Safari for Windows - and then beta 5 more than DOUBLED that speed.There are still a few very simple browsers that may open faster, like Flashpeak Slimbrowser.Part of Firefox beta 5's speed comes from it's being stripped down - since it's still in pre-release testing there are very few compatible add-ons yet.I thought I'd miss Roboform but it has a very nice password manager - it asks if you want it to remember a log in, if you click yes, it does. The next time, you log in with the first letter and it fills in automatically. (If that's a security issue for you, don't click yes.)When you install Firefox beta 5 it will override your previous Firefox install - that could be a negative. It does get all your bookmarks. One nice new feature is the "smart bookmarks" tab with drop downs of recently added and frequently viewed bookmarks.I haven't searched for compatible add-ons but Yahoo toolbar and Ad-Block are up and running and MouseZoom is the only one I really miss.Likewise the only compatible themes seem to be the bland gray Default and the VERY black "NASA Night Launch", which I like.I haven't used DIGG so I can't specifically address that question - but it does everything I want it to do so far.One key new feature tipping point, one way or the other, is a built in virus scanner in the download manager. If you save a lot of pictures from photo trading groups and gallery sites (you know what I mean, right?) this might slow you down a little, but I think the security benefit speaks for iself.
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I've never paid for a game in a box and I burned out on those one hour free trials that take the game back by the time I've learned to play it.Game Giveaway Of the Day http://game.giveawayoftheday.com/is back, though currently they only give away two games per week, on weekends. As usual, it's a one day only giveaway - from the time they post a game (usually 3:00 am est) you have 24 hours to download, install and register. then it's yours. FREE. I've gotten a nice variety of games from them.there are a lot of online games to play, my all time fave is BLOXORZ at albinoblacksheep.http://tinyurl.com/24jmrxThe levels get increasingly difficult until you stall out on several "impossible" levels, but it is possible to finish all levels - I did it.My all time fave giveawayoftheeday game is Robbox, a 3-D move the robot through a maze/box moving game with different and increasing challenges on 52 levels plus a bonus level boss. Again. there are a couple of "impossible" levels that will make you crazy, but it can be done.BloXorz and RobboX - I guess Lucy Lawless was right in her Playboy 20 Questions: names with an X in them are cool.
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just checked out some of the newer cast member listings at the blog and their Lostpedia write-ups. I found it interesting that a recurring theme in the casting notes is "guest star, possibly recurring." So even at this stage when the show seems to be heading into it's "32 hour finale spread over two years," they're still adding new characters and still leaving a certain amount of wiggle room for "making things up as they go along".So when they cast new roles on "Lost" it's like "consider this an audition. If you play well with others, the rest of the cast likes you and you test well with the audience, you might be an important character. If not, we have a lovely red shirt for you as a parting gift."(Those who have read the spoilers know which character I'm referring to and about how much time he has left...)
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i do have a tendency to insert foot in mouth on occasion. especially on the double-entendre front. thanks ed, for the link to the BSG d/l, it was GREAT. 4we8, i kind of like the inviso text, not only to hide spoilers, but to add to the sense that i am being bad when i decide to peek....
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and an extra hour of Lost as a bonus!
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I realize how greedy it sounds, but if they are willing to air this after the end of their precious sweeps deadline and if they can get the actors to stay on for a couple extra weeks (I fear this might be a big issue for the couple that have plays and movies they've been committed to do) - we'd have our 16. It appears we are missing the Faraday and Straume FBs this season(since it was said they would now have to wait until next year - I guess it was originally planned for this year...hence the 2 missing Eps). So that being said, I can wait 'til next year for their stories and not be devistated.
My arguement is this. You know damn well ABC salesdorks will be humping to offer this "unique opportunity" to advertisers as LOST will be the only non-rerun game in town. And as they pull out their PowerPoint presentations to negotiate with advertisers for next season's rates per slots for LOST, a little addendum will pop up showing the FANTASTIC ratings LOST had for a 2 hour finale outside the normal ratings ranking period. So while they couldn't count it in their overall season numbers, JUST LOOK AT THOSE RATINGS MAY 29th! We may even consider doing their season 5 finale the same way - hell we might take it into June. Just think - we'd be the only game in town!
Ok - that might be overly optimistic and I really have little knowledge of how the economics of Television work, but I think you get my drift. With May 29th being outside any advertiser contracts, they may not be able to sell all the slots. They will fill that with teasers and promos for the upcoming finale which will boost ratings. It will be nuclear winter in TV land and LOST will have the only "new" story to tell on network TV. I think it is going to be a huge ratings night for ABC. They will be pumping it up during the 22nd Grey's Lobotomy finale (TUNE IN NEXT WEEK FOR THE AMAZING, GAME-CHANGING FINALE OF LOST!) booming from TVs.
Hell, this might be the start of a new television strategy: "The post-sweeps ringer" or something like that.
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I am genuinely thrilled over our 14th hour and am grateful Grey's "allowed" this to happen (WTF is that all about). This is what I don't get aboot the whole, shifting days/times thing for the finales:
If Grey's Hysterectomy had to agree to a 2 hour finale on the 22nd, when was their 2nd hour SUPPOSED to air? Are they bumped off the 15th, taking the week off and then doing both hours the 22nd? 'Cause the other option would have them airing the 2nd hour on the 29th, which they would not do because of sweeps. So what is the "sacrifice" they are having to make for a real sho..., I mean LOST to air on the 29th? Me notta no - need splainin. -
They were working after I deleted out one of the "http://"s. Good deal, buddy. Wow this is become one heck of a project.
I just d/led and now posted the video promo for 4x09: The Shape of Things to Come.
Enjoy Lost Lovers. I can't freakin wait!!!!!!
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Was I too vague about reading a SPOILER at the blog about one of the characters newly added to the sidebar? Because the last time I discussed a SPOILER here I got called an ass.This time allow me to couch it in euphemisms by using synonyms for the key words."Pier Beam cleanses the beach."Delete the article "the" and translate the rest to decode.
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We've been coming here for what, 25 days now, that's like a quarter of the entire running time of "Lost" if the "100 days on the island" claim is to be trusted, every time at least subliminally reading the phrase "I thought we were going on a rescue mission". And to the best of my recollection so far no one has said this, until now:"I thought we were going on a three hour tour!"
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Our bud Mr. Xip wrote: "Man I'm about at the point of breaking out song lyrics here.""And what's wrong with that, I'd like to know" - Paul McCartney, Silly Love Songs.I'd say if an upcoming episode is called "The Shape Of Things To Come" and it's leading up to a revolutionary game changer, then the lyrics to "Shapes Of Things To Come" are particularly relevant. There's a new sun - Risin' up angry in the sky - And there's a new voice - Sayin' "we're not afraid to die" - Let the old world make believe - It's blind and deaf and dumb - But nothing can change the shape of things to comeThere are changes - Lyin' ahead in every road - And there are new thoughts - Ready and waiting to explode - When tomorrow is today - The bells may toll for some - But nothing can change the shape of things to comeThe future's comin' in, now - Sweet and strong - Ain't no-one gonna hold it back for longThere are new dreams - Crowdin' out old realities - There's revolution - Sweepin' in like a fresh new breeze - Let the old world make believe - It's blind and deaf and dumb - (But) nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - nothing can change the shape of things - To come...
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VULGARITY WARNINGIf entendre was Spanish for double meaning than a double entendre would be a quadruple meaning. Do you know how intellectual you'd have to be to write something that works on four different levels? I can be obscure, but I'm not that clever.I am a cunning linguist but not bi so I can snatch a kiss but I can't hable Espanol. But I think in the common vernacular parlance the term "double entendre" refers to a phrase with two possible meanings, usually at least one of which is "naughty" or vulgar.For example, not to drag p*l*t*cs into this, but it's the first example I can think of, the phrase "Clinton licked Bush" can also apply to the outcome of the 1992 Presidential election. It's lucky for him he ran against Dole in '96 because I think licking Bush in a '96 would be a physical impossibility.
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Since she's 17 years younger than me, it hadn't occurred to me that there would be any adults looking at Juliet as "an older woman". As I understand it, the internet acronym M.I.L.F. stands for "a Mother's I'd Like to Frolic about with." Or perhaps it's "...be Friends with" - I may have that wrong.Elizabeth Mitchell, who played Dinah Lee Mayberry Alden McKenzie #2 on the soap opera "Loving" and starred in "L'Historie de Linda McCartney" for Canadienne television, is 38. Which is old enough to be your pals mom if you buddy around with 18 year olds, I guess. Nothing wrong with that, of course.My concept of a MILF would be more like Katey Sagal or Mimi Rogers.Strictly literally, I suppose Claire is a milf, but I don't think that encompasses the literal meaning of the expression.On a similar topic, those Jamie Lee Curtis yogurt ads freak me out. She used to be a teen scream queen and a sex icon, now she has a grandma haircut and is talking about yogurt that makes her poop.
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Xiphos 12, Ed 6, Nap 7. So we're posting in shifts here now?
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i don't like Bush. any of it, really. but i can happily contribute to a chat about sexy women. however, i will refuse to talk about the president, even though i am a dual citizen, simply because think he is a ....... see, i won't go there.
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boy, are you fellas in trouble if you have to include this. most of your posts are going to have to include this extra typing. you could get carpal tunnel.
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now that we have 1 of our 3 hours back, I just want the other 2.
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of that piece of crap other LOST tb. NODE makes sense over there, but his singular post of sanity is surrounded by idiot ramblings.
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just trying to do my part on a lazy Sunday morning. but the sun is shining and it's been a long winter, so i'm going to go enjoy it. finally all the snow is melted (much to my dog's chagrin)! it took a while.
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Yeah those post dont make a lick of sense. Theres haters in them there woods.
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Does anyone know if they'll put those mobisodes for this season's dvd set?
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How's that for a good ole southern contraction? Okay...some thoughts.
Waiting for the extra 2. - We have nearly weathered a 6 week hiatus. Weathering a 2 week one should be easy. Besides, if the "all times at once" theory is correct, then we've already seen what we're waiting to see, right?
Gentlemen - we have a lady in our midst. So watch you language. I don't know if that means curb the vulgarity or pump it up (so to speak). I think I'll go back and read her posts and see.
Pa - new idea for a poll. I'll email you in a minute.
CV - where you been my friend? I think it's about time for a new top 5, don't you?
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I think so, would you do me the honor of making a Top 5 list. I know how much you love'em lol
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Rules - which of course are made to be broken are tell your theory and then explain it. For example...
#5 - Desmond knows everything to come - IN the last scene in the Constant Des calls Sayid by name and we realize he's got his memory back. Shortly after that, we averts his eyes from Sayid. My theroy about that is becuase he knows Sayid becomes a hired hand/assasin for Ben. -
It's logical. It doesn't have to be right, just make sense. So here's 4.
#4 - Jack is not the Jack on the plane- In the first scene ever he woke up in the jungle. Once he gained his composure he got up and ran to the beach where everyone else was. So why was he so far away from everyone? Why did he know where to go when he woke up without hearing screams or anything? I don't know if he's a clone or what, but the only thing that makes logical sense is he's not who we think he is. -
Okay, so I don't even believe that last one, but it's logical, right?
#3 - 3.2 million is not code - "You know who I am, right?" "Yes." So what makes you think I can raise that kind of money? Don't think I'm one of these people!!
Okay, so most of that is paraphrased. But the idea is that Miles understands who/what Ben is, Ben knows who what Miles is. They've never met, but they know very much about each other...enough to where Miles knows what Ben has access to and Ben knows Miles is a sleazy thief who could care less about people in general. If Miles cared, maybe it'd be a clue instead of what it really is...extortion. -
Locke is not the answer, he's the problem - There are so many examples of this I don't know where to begin. Let's start at where we left off. Locke considers himself the protector of the island. But his actions reflect someone who questions himslef at every turn. For example, he asked Sawyer if he was doing the right thing. He couldn't find the cabin. He's had so much go wrong in his life he doubts himself no matter how confident he is in his beliefs. But a leader must be strong. A leader earns the respect of his people. And on a place like the island, a leader has to have the sound judgment to protect. Sound judgment does not equal Locke.
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We've already seen the ending - Think about it. If the theory of the islands being a place where all time converges is correct, then we have already seen the future...what is to come. If that's true, then we must know what happens, right?
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Never would have thought of this one. Ok here comes my 5.
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Claire is extremely hot. I dont think that really needs a explaination.
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The reason why Michael cant commit suicide is because the island is a part of him. After consuming its food and drinking its water. Through that the island controls his fate.
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The Smoke monster acts on peoples thoughts and emotions.-Its kind of like in Ghostbusters 2 when the guys found that river of slime, they studied that it reacts to negative and positive energy. This applies to Smokie as when a character runs and screams at his presence he gets defensive and reacts violently. He knows the characters past history and knows how they will react to them.
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Kate and Jack are "Adam and Eve". Alot of people have touched on this , Im really thinking that this is true. On the way back to the island they hit the wrong coordinates. They come back and find that they dont see anyone they recognise, they find Dharma recruiting people for jobs and they settle down. The End
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Locke is Jacobs son. He was concieved by the Island. His mother was telling the truth about his birth. Thats why he has had visions and can hear Jacob. No one else, not even Ben can say the same. That we know of so far...
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I dont know if any of my 5 made sense except for #5. Ha!
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Ok I was just wondering. that would be pretty silly of them to leave them off.
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You have walked into the middle of a fraternity house...you are the only hot chick here, and there are dozens of horney men here in their sexual prime. Just sayin?
If you are looking for the 1st half of season 4 with all the mobisodes...or what to wait until after epp 14, I will put a torrent togethr for season 4 with the mobisodes and any other snippits from Lost I can find. Send me an email - ehansen@nc.rr.com and I will send you one with a link when the file is ready to roll.
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I want the Galactica co come down right on what's left from the barracks.
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Awhile back I made the ridiculous suggestion that Widmore travels time. He does not, instead he has daniel faraday do it for him. He sponsors Faraday's research and Faraday is helping him find the island, probably for mutal benefit. Desmond Hume is his constant so now he can freely time travel between any time periods with Desmond Hume. Widmore knows Faraday will meet Desmond on the island someday and that Desmond will make the island visible and begin time traveling by turning the fail safe key. Widmore has consitently nudged Desmond down the path of finding the island by denying him marriage with penelope, saying he isn't a great man, sponsoring a race around the world and providing Desmond a boat through Libby (no doubt a Widmore spy and most likely his informant on the plane). Widmore knew Desmond would crash the plane, so he sent Libby onto the plane. Through Faraday, Widmore also knew Hurley would end up on the island and had Libby spy on him then. In short, Desmond is a very important character who sets in motion many key events regarding the finding of the island.
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Hey kids. I'm real sick. My ribs ache from the coughing and I'm losing sleep. I hack like a cabbie, coughin' like a box for bodies, mudslidin' like California beachfront property in the rainy season and horking up phlegm like an Iraqi when the US flag passes by.Please, no sympathy, bad things happen to people who deserve it and pain is only God's way of hurting me.I just wanted to mention this because the next few entries are labeled "five logical theories" but I have a suspician that they may not make a lick of sense. Anyway, it's was something to do.= Nappy =
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5 Locke works for the island.
Locke and the island have a very complex relationship. I know, that's obvious, but it's more than the Island not wanting Locke dead. The island healed locke so he could walk again. when he hurt himself in a fall in the jungle he healed again. When the blast door impaled and crushed his leg, he healed again. When Ben shot Locke, even without a kidney there, he should have bled to death and didn't. So it seems the island is on Locke's side. but Locke saw the Smokey twice and had very different reactions. Once Smokey tried to pull Locke underground... but somehow failed. And because the Island has kept Locke alive and mobile, Locke didn't push the button, nearly destroying everything. He blew up the sub so no one could leave the island. He killed Naomi to prevent people from leaving.Locke was always off kilter. Not seeing the inability to walk as an obstacle to going on a walk-about was evidence of that. He arrived on the island physically broken, spiritually in turmoil and emotionally scarred. the island sensed that it could use him and fixed him... physically. -
4 Con men get conned.Ben wanted Locke to kill his father, Anthony Cooper. Perhaps since Ben had killed his own father and thought this would make them moral equals. Locke couldn't.Richard Alpert gave Locke James Ford's file for reasons of his own.Locke conned Sawyer and told him he had Ben, then locked James in the room with Cooper knowing James would do his murder for him.You know those old cartoons where the victim of a ruse gets a thought balloon with a cartoon lollipop over their head and the label "Sucker" pointed at their head? Eventually James is going to realize that Locke played him
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3 The more I think of it, the more I like my toss-away idea that "out of focus bikini clad girl walking around in the background" is actually Joanna the drowned swimmer's ghost. If you can prove she appeared on the show before Joanna dies I'll just shrug and say "time travel." Ghosts can do that, right?
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2 In spite of Ben Linus's famous claim to the contrary, I suspect there are very few "good guys" on this show, and he certainly isn't one of them.There are gradations and differences in the levels these characters are "bad". "Unmarried mom putting baby up for adoption" is certainly not in the same ballpark as "patricidal bank robber." Our "heroes" are drunks, junkies, killers, torturers, con-men, spies, drug smuggling warlords, incestuous step-siblings, enforcers, unfaithful wives, bad cops...And the island makes bad people worse. James killed once - the wrong man - and regretted it. Killing Cooper, the right man, made it that much easier for him to pull the trigger on Tom.Are there any "good" characters on "Lost"?Desmond, fallen monk, accidentally killed Kelvin, harpooned Mikhail. (Failing to kill Mikhail led to charlie's death.)Rose, had faith her husband was alive. The island cured her breast cancer but she is willing to risk her life to return Bernard to their old life. Bernard was part of the squad that set the trap at the tents fo the Others, but failed to kill anyone and was caught trying to run away.Cindy the stewardess was chasing Charlie into the bathroom - out of concern for him or suspicious of his actions?. She returned to the tail section. On the march back to the beach camp she was taken by the others and has since been serving as caretaker for the also taken Tailie children Zach and Emma (and possibly the non-canonical "other girl" seen only in ABC promo photos.)Juliet's allegiances are always questionable, she betrays trusts and her relationship with Godwin indirectly led to his death.Hugo Reyes may not have done anything worse than being superstitious before ariving on the island, but didn;t he run an other over with his minibus during the rescue at the tents?There's no evidence the island punishes the guilty and spares the innocent. We don't know what Joanna's sin was - unless you count suicide. Mr. Arzt, cocky and sarcastic and apparently clumsy with dynamite. I can't find much fault with Rose, Bernard or Cindy. The jury's still out on the quirky science team and the chopper pilot. but I suspect the only real innocents on the show ar the children. Aaron. Walt. Zach and Emma.
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1 Going back to the beginning of the first season, remember the very popular "Purgatory" theory? Remember my recent question about a show that changed the ending because the fans guessed the original ending?Lost began as a character driven anthology series. It evolved into a Twilight-Zonish anthology incorporating high tech science, theoretical science and science fiction, fantasy, the occult and supernatural, ghosts and spirituality.People on the island can die, but the island can keep people who should die alive if it needs them or has a plan for them. The Island can even keep people alive after they leave.It has been REPEATEDLY been denied and refuted and I'm sure the writers won;t go back on that at this stage. but the challenge wasn;t to "solve" "Lost" but to come up with five theories that make sense. Can ANY other theory tie together all of the many diverse threads and elements of "Lost" anywhere near as well as the evergreen "they're all dead and in Purgatory" theory? If it CAN'T be true... what can be?
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Being unwell I could not believe my eyes and checked and rechecked repeatedly. There seem to be a couple of key ommisions in the sidebar list of cast of character links.Karl? He's in the blog's logo and was the subject of a poll. Where's his link?But that's minor. The other one is unimamginable. I have looked and looked again and, even with his shirting allegiances, I don't see how you could possibly have forgotten John Locke. He's been a bit ragged, erratic and aimless since his shooting, but he's still right up their in the front row of the shows main characters. I can't believe that a character who was so important and prominent for so long is now being written off by the writers as "Oh, yeah, sorry Naomi's dead, we didn't do that, some nut named Locke killed her."If you're wondering how to catagorize him, well, the island may be playing him like a puppet and he may be on Ben's leash, but he'll never be an "Other" and he's certainly no Freightie, so that puts him squarely in "the survivors camp".
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Whatcha talkin aboot, hoser? My hoose is in NC. I grew up and went to Wisconsin, which is near da boarder, ay. Love me a Molson, tho. Beauty.
MulticoloredFish - Kudos on wading through all our pig-like Lost porn and not becoming uptight or meanspirited. Had we know there was a lady amongst us, I'm sure most of us would have cooled it down. Nice to have the better half of humanity contributing.
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http://tinyurl.com/5malgm...and thank goodness it doesn't.
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Your just standin on your heed, now eh.
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Hi folks. Pa's poll is about life...age of living, to be more precise. My poll is about death.
Who's gonna die? I'm only talking Losties or Others. Are we gonna lose Danielle? What about Sawyer? I left the O6 out...duh...but aren't the rest possible casualties? Run over to the blog and cast your vote.
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Still has the Mother of all Mullets - Beauty, eh?
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aww, shucks. now i feel right at home.ed, rb, 4we8 et all - no need to curb the perv-speak. it really doesn't bother me. i work mostly with men plus i have a friend who is shameless and would leave you all in the dust on the dirty talk. i also love watching Deadwood and i think Swearengen pretty much has everyone beat for vulgarity. i think, in general, you'll more likely cause 4we8 to flush than me. perhaps all the porn talk is the 'sickness' they keep talking about on LOST...
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XI! how's life in San Diego? many trips to the tarpaper town of Tijuana? I live in Toronto (it snowed a lot this year!), but lived in Michigan for a while as a kid. and ed, i live in a h-o-u-s-e, not a hoose, silly! i have not a clue who this Barry person is, but i'm suspecting hockey. i am a novice in the hockey-speak.
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hey, 4we8-- since the names on your blog came up, it seems that Michael/Kevin and WAAAAAALLT! are also missing. loving all the theories. it is all helping to pass the last weeks til LOST is back. well, BSG is also helping a great deal. by the way, i have never, nor will i ever, have a short-long (another term for the classic mullet). but i am well versed in the very canadian 12 ways to say 'i'm sorry', most of which don't actually mean i'm sorry. ie- bumping into someone on the street; "i'm sorry" translates to 'i'm sorry. you were in my way.' and, just so we don't forget the grooviest and most hairy team in town... TEAM SAYMOND!!!
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and all the perv talk got me thinking of sandwiches... ;0) also the lumberjackets reminded me of a very strange attraction i have to plaid shirts and toolbelts. it's a good combo. hmm, i think that was an overshare.
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ity bump
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here is a link to a goth-makeup photo of your juliet and her bosom to peruse. i aim to please.http://tinyurl.com/6bw744
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is this like the frat house from Old School? i really hope nobody goes streaking.... bump.
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and it's OK...
Sorry. Obscure Monty Python reference.
And a Bumpity
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I sleep all night and I work all day!
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Goes Freak!
And THOSE are bumpity bumps.
Splash ....what?
Team Saymond just threw another lifeless body off the boat.
Do NOT defy the will of team Saymond. The time traveler, Republican Guard, torturer, Scottish sweetalker, Iraqi with a taste for blondes -TEAM that is doing SOMETHING to win this war.
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Knew you'd come through.
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i skip and jump, i like to pick fresh flowers i put on women's clothing, just like my dear papa...
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walt should be under 'ghost', or ? bump
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michael. he was basically thrown to the sharks (by sharks i mean bug-eyed ben), and that master manipulator has been pulling his strings ever since. ben sure knows how to kick 'em where it hurts and make people do what he wants.
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sound a lot like a Saymond Sandwich.
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sooooooo not my type. now jack, he is pretty, but Sayid is my man. and again, the Saymond sandwich is pretty inviting, but i did't like when they had Desmond with his shirt open all the time in season 2. it's just so cheesy.
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Will Desmond make it off island? What if he ends up working with sayid for Ben. Or will he side with Widmore the father of his love? He's in a very unique position, I don't think he agrees with Ben or Widmore's ideals, but he is going to have to pick a side.
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Will Desmond make it off island? What if he ends up working with sayid for Ben. Or will he side with Widmore the father of his love? He's in a very unique position, I don't think he agrees with Ben or Widmore's ideals, but he is going to have to pick a side.
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have a good time. Twist and shout, let it all hang out.. but you won't kill the children of the revolution.(T-Rex)
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But that is as high up as I've seen us in a while. Nice job, gang.
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and I've got empties."
Spent a summer in Montreal. Could never get over the fact you could have beer delivered to your door at 10:30 in the morning. And I couldn't understand the french Canadian women...which means they were just like American women with prettier accents. Still have a "Arret" sign somewhere. -
Who's gonna die? I'm only talking Losties or Others. Are we gonna lose Juliet? What about Michael? I left the O6 out...duh...but aren't the rest possible casualties? You've got until Friday to cast your vote.
http://lostroom23.blogspot.com
4we8 also has a poll up there. More of a demographics thing, which a is pretty interesting idea too. To quote the guy on Holy Grail that was guarding the bridge, "What is your age?"
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Who's gonna die? I'm only talking Losties or Others. Are we gonna lose Juliet? What about Michael? I left the O6 out...duh...but aren't the rest possible casualties? You've got until Friday to cast your vote.
http://lostroom23.blogspot.com
4we8 also has a poll up there. More of a demographics thing, which a is pretty interesting idea too. To quote the guy on Holy Grail that was guarding the bridge, "What is your age?" -
I was thinking about contacts in the biz this morning who might be a source for inside info and remembered a friend of mine who worked on The Practice. After doing a search on her name and going to IMDB, I found she also worked on a film in 97 with an interesting title.
The Disappearance of Kevin Johnson -
Dude. You rock.
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You know what they say about the really crazy chicks, right?
Yeah, that's right..
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Saw her on L&O SVU Saturday night. She was the baddie.
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The Other Woman
Juliet gets a suprising visit from someone from her past. She is given orders to stop Charlotte and Faraday from doing what they have set out to do. Back at the Barracks, Ben offers Locke an enticing deal.
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It was Saturday night. I was in early (9:30). I was flipping through the dial and landed there and saw Bonnie.
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XI! - yes, i do know the no-neck Don Cherry. it's kind of hard to miss him in those hideous suits. TJ all ultra cleaned up? hmm, it was pretty weird the way it was, but sometimes it's better left alone. i agree for most of the losties that their on-island look is better. i've seen several pics of my faves and the rough and tumble look is a keeper. maybe for ben the off-island look will help since maybe he won't be getting beat up as much. the island, for all his love of it, seems to be a bit rough on him.ed - Montreal is a beautiful place, especially in the summer. i think Australia has it beat on the booze front, though. When i was in Aussie-land and working at a pub it opened at 7am.???!! that is just crazy. and there were actually customers. every day, a little bit closer to april 24.
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I will go to a Bennigans (you have those, right?)wearing a tuke, order back bacon, ham and a Labatt's blue. They will laugh at me of course, maybe not even behind my back. And then I'll say "what was that all aboot?". When the Ham comes, I'll say "fuckin' good ham, Mom."
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Why is the Journeyman TB frozen? Where is everybody at now? Did the horrible news squash all hope? I need guidance, Obi-Wan.
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Hey guys-
I've been viewing this site daily for the past eight years, but have never posted a talkback. I am a HUGE Lost fan, and have a blog with my 7 year old son (also a Lostmaniac) where we discuss movies, books, t.v., videogames, etc., and we re-eact Lost using action figures. I am not trying to be a troll here, but now that this talkback is down to just the real hard-core Lost fans, I thought I might post the link to our site. www.kirkandskylar.com Check it out if you get a chance, and we'd love to hear back from you guys. We are re-enacting every episode from the beginning of Season One on. Currently we just posted our take on "All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues". It's a huge undertaking but we have a blast making it. Keep up the great work with this talkback, and I guess now that I've broken my cherry I'm going to have to start joining in on a regular basis. Yeehawww! -
... aboot Canada? You goin' to da Great White Nort'? Don't get lost up 'dere in da wilderness, now. You be careful, Mr. Gotilk.
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See I was so nervous about this I already screwed up. www.kirkandsklyarshow.com Duh!
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Team Locke. the only teams. and you know it.
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I was sent to Montreal a few years ago on a business trip just before Christmas. Me and my travel-mate were staying downtown near the Montreal Fourm. Before going downstairs we called for our car to drive to work, but whe we got downstairs there was a line waiting for cars.
So we waited in the cold patiently. The doormen were in there typical red-coat doorman suits, and every one of them were down on the street in front trying to coordinate the backlog of requests. When we saw our car being pulled up, I decided to leave my tag and the tip on the stand and we walked down to the car.
The head-doorman gave me a funny look as we started to the car, so I paused and leaned over towards him and told him we left his tip and everything on the stand.
"You left everything?" he said with wide-eyed amazement. The next thing I new he grabbed me and gave me a great big bea