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Tonight, on tonight’s Kwon-centric installment of “Lost,” those who don’t already know get to find out who the final two members of the “Oceanic Six” are.
If that’s not enough to entice you, “Death Proof” star Zoe Bell makes her “Lost” debut.
Of tonight’s episode, “Ji-Yeon,” ABC says:
Juliet is forced to reveal some startling news to Jin when Sun threatens to move to Locke's camp. Meanwhile, Sayid and Desmond begin to get an idea of the freighter crew's mission when they meet the ship's Captain. Guest starring are Sam Anderson as Bernard, Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte Lewis, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Kevin Durand as Keamy, Marc Vann as doctor, Grant Bowler as Captain Gault, Lanny Joon as Dr. Bae, Simon Rhee as shopkeeper, Zoe Bell as Regina, Christine Kim as admitting nurse, Lynette Garces as another nurse, David Yew as Chinese security agent and George Kee Cheung as Chinese ambassador.
* Expect this week to return to flash-forwards.
* The Korean couple are expected to encounter in the future a not-Jack doctor, a panda and a funeral.
* The freighter’s captain will have in his possession the black box found at the bottom of the sea with the rest of the fake Oceanic 815.
* I’m guessing we get to find out at episode’s end that Michael is Ben’s spy aboard that freighter. (Next week’s episode, the last before a hiatus of several weeks, is Michael-centric.)
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huh?
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How big of a part does Zoe Bell have?
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a miracle for me
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Nice Top 5 in that last thread. Loved your #1.
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Though am getting a little obsessed with Ben, find him and Desmond much more interesting than the Oceanic 6
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Maybe it's just the high quality of season 4 in general, but 4.7 seemed to tread water a little. I liked Tempest Station, the voices, creepy Ben and the Red Sox videotape but Juliet's flashbacks were kinda lame (Juliet likes Goodwin, Goodwin is married, Ben likes Juliet, Ben sends Goodwin to his death). We learnt frak all about why Juliet was okay, for instance, with the Others kidnapping children from the wreckage of 815.
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Wait...did I just see you mention a top five? Funny, I don't remember a top 5 in the LOST talkbacks recently. You don't mean you are cheating on us and doing top fuves in other talkbacks, are you?
Shame...........shame.....
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My mistake CV. Hadn't been to last week's site when I posted above. Good to know you aren't cheating on us.
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Ben was a sociopathic murderer and control freak. At the point where she is okay with the kidnapping of the children, she is going along with ben in the hope that her work would be finished and she could go home back to her sister. Ben is dangerous but at the point where she is okay with the Kidnapping of the kids she doesnt know. His murder of goodwin changes that. She then just goes along with ben but we all know she wants off the island.
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I'm starting to think that (you-know-who) being the "man on the boat" is a red herring. The show runners know we're expecting him to be the spy and are conveniently leading us along, just to pull the rug out from under us. My guess is that it might be our favorite one-eyed, hard-to-kill Ukrainian(?), or maybe, just maybe,a recovering heroin addict that we believe to be dead.
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Really Really hope it isn't michael
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well possible spoiler
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Anyone else thinking that somehow Desmond is going to find his way back to the island before the O6 get off? His storyline and his relationship with Penny is too strong to end already (or at the end of this season).
I think, since we know Widmore is responsible for the ship, maybe he will instruct his crew to refuse to allow Desmond to leave the island. So somehow he will be dupped into going back to the island and being stuck there.
I like Desmond, and I want him to be reunited with Penny, just not yet!
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I mean, there's no reason to watch Lost live unless you want to post while watching it, and who wants to be labelled an uber-nerd? By taping Lost (and watching Reaper), you can fast forward through commercials, do a quick rewind for those WTF moments, and generally, enjoy Lost all the more.
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I think we could call that spec rather than spoiler, Musashi. I mean, you're just hoping it isn't him, not saying for certain it is him.
Personally, I think it's the heroin addict. If they can pull Cooper out of a car crash and bring him to the island, why can't they pull Charlie out of a hatch full of water?
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We all know who it probably will be but what if it wasn't? Who would be the biggest shock? Remember, it has to be someone Locke would have to "sit down for" #5 Walt #4 Widmore #3 Mikahl #2 Christian Sheppard #1...."The Little Man in the Boat" Just kidding...how about Locke's Dad (I don't know how, but it's Lost. Anything is possible.
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I can see him in detention elsewhere at Widmore's request, duped of the freighter to another boat, imprisoned somewhere, would be interesting to add a third main location to the mix. Season 5 seeing Desmond confronted by his new prison before being rescued by Sayid who is looking for Widmore. Desmond then finds out that Penny has gone to the Island and is looking for him, Penny's boat has been out of contact though. In a flash foward Desmond sees Penny killed by Locke on the island. So a determined Desmond knows that he has to go back. The show might then become very Desmond focus. But there is nothing wrong with that brutha.
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Watch Reaper while you can. Looks like in another talkback today they are saying it's probably cancelled.
Not a good showing, especially this year in the strike shortenned season where networks are basically renwing a lot of shows despite the ratings.
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TAPE LOST, WATCH REAPER
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riiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttt
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This talkback is going to own my day again. And I'm getting evaluated at work. (It was a nice job.)
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AWESOME- Begins the new TB. Can't wait to read the 800 posts when I get home from work.
No - caught your post. Its what made me catch what was said on the podcast. I should have given you credit for mentioning it earlier. I was more excited to be able to throw in another line about Juliet's rack and Claire's ass. But we are thinking on the same lines.
The reason I got on smut was the posts were close together (albeit 8 hours apart and he copied and pasted THE EXACT SAME THING and that was all, so he obviously poted without reading...a pet peeve of mine. It's cool - not like I flamed him, he's had solid posts and seems like a good guy. Just my 2 cents.
same lines
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I like your Desmond theory. Having Penny being on the island and Desmond having to face his fears and return to the place he was stuck for so long, in order to save her would be in interesting part of the Lost story. After the season 2 finale, I always sort of thought Desmond getting back to Penny would be the main story arch. I can see him and Jack teaming up to go back to the island. Jack and Desmond simultaneously "We have to go baaaaaaaaaaaaack! Brotha".
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Living in Japan, am very partial to an Asian "lass" (as Desmond would say). So always looking forward to a Sun episode, prefer Japanese but don't mind Korean girls either, except Korean girls look at most guys as a walking wallet.
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Sure we know and care about the other people on the island but Desmond is the only one with something to get off the island for really. Half of them want off but Desmond needs to get off the island. By all the rules of by the book storytelling, he has a clear arc. I think anyway....discuss
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As an outsider I can't understand why the lead story I am seeing is about some politician screwing a lady from the oldest profession. Isn't your economy tanking ? Aren't you loosing thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on a war that was based on bad/fabricated intelligence? Well if nothing else from an outsider's point of view its quite entertaining, keep it up, though not as entertaining as Lost . The new slogan for America "We are broke and dying, but at least we make great TV, pass me another Bud"
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Dae Han (from Best of the Best) as Shopkeeper. this will be the greatest LOST episode ever. (although it will be hard to top last week's).
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rbrog77-- Cooper, huh? Now that's someone I hadn't thought of. He fits all the criteria (we already met him, would be a shocker, and Locke would have to sit down for it).
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We're shallow and sensationalistic.
News about the constitution being flaunted by our government? Give us a story about Brittney.
Dollar tanking? What's that? Lindsey Lohan is back in rehab?
Bad news on the war politicians got us into? Well lookie there, another politician is caught cheating on his wife. ooooooooo....and this time it's another one with another hooker. See told you they were all bad.
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Actually, I think it's Charlie. Mhy point was if they can get coop out of a wreck as he's dying, why can't they get Charlie out of a hatch when he's drowning?
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Obviously we are about to invade Iran. The head of CentCom just retired. American Idol is in full swing. And now we have the NY State Gov. going down in flames because he paid for sex. We are being distracted from reality. The dollar is nearly worthless, so the government will print more out of thin air to inject into the economy. Our leaders are talking tough about Iran, yet they all claim that absolutely no one wants to go to war... but it's not off the table. Ladies and gentlemen, we are heading for a collapse of epic proportions. And we are being distracted with trivialities. Welcome to the new millennium.
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for the explanation, I should say that perhaps I came across as complaining too much, whereas I should have been driving the point that its incredibly entertaining. A tv show called "America" is got to be better than the recent Knight Rider effort.
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How about tape Lost, tape Reaper at the same time (you can do that with these new DVRs, you know), watch Lost live with the uber-geeks of the Lost talkbacks, rewind Lost many times to rewatch the WTF moments while discussing said WTF moments on the Talkback, then watch Reaper after coming down from the Lost high, say Saturday or Sunday? Yeah, works for me.
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Mar 13, 2008 8:37:28 AM CDT
So after China buys the US will they still show Lost?
by miyamoto_musashi
Sorry couldnt resist.
I can safely say that when china does buy the US and brigns along their censorship regime, that scene of Juliet in a bikini is bound to be cut. -
I refer to myself before any else!
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Mar 13, 2008 8:39:09 AM CDT
Juliet's bikini bottom shot is still ....(thump) Lost
by miyamoto_musashi
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I agree. Charlie's certainly more likely. Although, having Cooper show up after Sawyer strangles him would probably have as much of an impact.
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Pause last weeks teaser: Can Charlie grow a fro like that?
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...it was a good show while it lasted (Sock rules). But I would rather watch a new Lost live than a re-run of Reaper.
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just because they show the back of someone's head, and that someone has an afro, doesn't mean that's the spy on the boat. it just means effective editing of the teaser.
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The day moves slowly, and I'm desperate for my talkback login to work (which it did for the first time this week, fortunately) so that I can get nothing done all day long.
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It's incredibly predictable if it's Michael. Perrineau's name has been in the opening credits since this season's first episode, so for the viewers (who pay attention to that), that won't be a shock. Now, if it's a GROWN-UP Walt, that WOULD be a shock, for both us and for Locke -- plus, it would solve the problem of aging Malcolm Kelly, since you could have an adult Walt in the "present" and use Kelly in flashbacks (i.e. next week's presumed "how'd that happen?" episode). I guess, when it's all said and done, Michael is still an interesting twist (so long as next week's payoff pays off), but I'd be pleasantly shocked if they went with an older Walt.
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thats why I don't pay any attention to to news media. Instead I waste all my time being distracted by this crazy fuckin show.
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At least according to my DVR
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He would definately have to sit down for that.
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WTF? Is this tvguide.com now? HOW IS THIS A SPOILER?
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more about who is going to die on Lost tonight than whether Hillary, Obama, or McCain get elected as president.
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Don't read further if you don't want to see speculative spoilers, sorta spoilers and the ramblings of a far too obsessed fan. Just a warning.
People keep going on and on about how "Michael is too easy" and it would be more exciting if it were someone else. I think that misses the big picture here. Michael may not be a shock to us because (a) we see his name in the credits and (b) we're a bunch of Lost obsessed Uber-geeks to borrow Proofer's term fro earlier. To many people who watch but don't spend the same amount of time thinking and talking about it, it will be a shock. More importantly, it will be a bigger shock to the people of the show. While Michael left almost 2 years ago in our viewing time, it's probably been less than a month (not sure on exact dates) since he sailed away. That means that Michael had to sail away, find rescue, go home, hide his identity, be recruited by Ben to be a spy, manipulate his way onto the freighter, and sail back on the freighter, all within 30 days or so. This isn't exactly a reasonable assumption. The bigger questions here are how it is possible for Michael to be on the boat and why he works for Ben.
None of this comes as much of a surprise to anyone who read Doc Jensen's tease for this week's episode where he asks these same questions and suggests a time-travelling Michael caused by how Ben told him to leave the island as one of the answers. I suggested a similar theory on here after "The Constant", but that EW jerk stole it from me and published it. (Before anyone asks, that's a joke not paranoia or any other sort of delusion.) A theory like this also explains why Walt got bigger so quickly. To most people it's been a month or so, but for him it's probably around 2 or 3 years.
I just don't see how it can be considered a let down if the guy on the boat is Michael. We will clearly have a million things to learn in the next episode about what happened and it finally brings back Waaaaaaaaaaalt and the possibility for Michael to make up for what he has done. -
No spoilers here: Over at DarkUFO popular Lost blogger docarzt just dropped this bombshell:
"The oceanic six were never confirmed, and never guessed correctly. The story is unfolding exactly as intended... and there is a great deal of inner facetiousness behind saying the Oceanic 6 is too obvious... because... it's not. ;) Beware long held beliefs."
This is referring to the fact that many Lost sites leaked the identities of the O6 quite some time ago (before the season even stated). Docarzt has definitely seen the first 8 episodes, so unless he's lying about this, TPTB might have pulled the ol' fake leaked information scam (although the first 4 members of the O6 already introduced have been correct).
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You're right-- it would be predictable, and it had already been widely reported that Perrineau would be back for S4 before we saw it on the opening (guess that check from 28 weeks later didn't last long).
I find the grown-up Walt idea interesting and plausible, since they established a week or two ago that the passage of time works differently on the island, so he could, in theory, be on the boat. However, I'm sticking with my pick for Charlie or Mikhail as "Ben's man" on the boat. -
Not sure just how much of that info to believe, but that would be kind of cool if all the spoiler info people had been fed was in fact foilers.
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Let's stop setting ourselves up for disappointment.
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if i was mislead with spoilers that would be alright.
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The poster (docarzt) has never given anyone any reason to doubt him... The entire nature of possible deaths and the identities of the O6 were called into question by his statements as well..... I guess we'll see how things unfold.
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I guess for the casual Lost fan Michael would be a huge shock. For us super Lost fans we have seen it coming for a long time. It can still be interesting to see how he became the man on the boat and what happened to Walt. I was talking with my parents last night about tonight's episode and I mentioned that "tonight we find out who Ben's man is." I followed this by saying "but everyone already knows who that is going to be." My parents have no idea who it is going to be. They are fans of Lost and have seen every episode. But they do not go on the interent or do anything outside of watching it. I almost told them that it will probably be Michael and I stopped myself. I thought, man how great would it be to be completely suprised by omething like that. I was jealous of the fact that they do not know what is going to happen each week. I would be nice to watch each episode spoiler free, but I cant stand the wait. I still dont like spoilers, just teasers. I like to know a little about what will happen but not the details.
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I think either Sun or Jin die in their flashforward tonight...either that or we have the flashforward with one of them (probably Jin) and a baby and the other is already dead (Sun maybe during child birth). So maybe (if that's the case) Jin and his kid are the remaining 2 Oceanic 6, or it was Sun and Jin as the last 2 before 1 died. What do you guys think? And for those who start saying "huh, what death" check this link and the very final tidbit at the end. http://tiny.cc/4paDd
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Yee Shall See Your Spy
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Maybe they will hit us with two deaths. Jin in the flash forward and then since we think everything is all safe- Claire gets tossed out a helicopter in the closing seconds. Hope not, though, because I like Claire's tight jeans this season.
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I'm still betting on the fact that someone will get killed in a flash forward. How crazy would it be to know one of the characters is going to die in the future but we still see them alive on the island. It would have as much emotional impact as the finale last year were we see Jack a miserable wreck.
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and was involved in the flashforward arc, with Sayid killing Ben's enemies(probably Widmore's people) and Jack and Hurley freakin out.
Would he help his future father in law or would he and Penny run away from the whole mess? And what about his time trips?
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flash forwards who visited Hurley, and sent Naomi in the falshback, Walt grown up. Maybe there was a time shift thing and he ended up in the past.
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This is the episode Darlton wanted to have as the Season 4 break...which means it's gonna be one of those "HOLY FUCKIN' SHIT...I CAN"T BELIEVE MY EYES JUST SAW THAT!!" endings.
I wanna be surprised tonight. So I'm gonna limit my visits here today...so I can avoid the accidental reading of tea leaves that I can't unread.
Can't wait to see all the shocking reveals tonight. Hopefully it will be 10 great reveals and only 7 or so questions raised!! But...fuck...who am I kidding?!! This is LOST!!
Is it 9pm yet?
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Work may slow down for the Lost talkback, but I still had to go to lunch. A man's gotta have his priorities straight. A few responses:
Vorlagen: You're right, we haven't ever had reason to mistrust docartz. I was trying to find the info, where is it at DarkUFO?
Gnortsmra: They didn't establish that time passes differently on the island than off it. The only thing that was established is that time passes differently as one enters or exits the island (rocket and helicopter). It's 2004 everywhere, at least for a week or so. For Walt to be grown up, he would have to have gone backwards in time. Otherwise, it would have to be a later year and Penny would have been all screwed up about how many years she been looking for Desmond.
Node: I think the idea of the bodies is an indication that whoever is responsible for the cover up is fairly powerful and not to be messed with, but I suppose we already knew that.
Youguysgotanymilk: First, that's an awesome name. Second, I agree that part of the issue is how hardcore we are, but I still think the shocker about Michael is the how rather than the who. See my post like 9 or 10 above you. No spoilers in it other than what you already stated and some theory.
Brody: Nothing in the invisotext is really a spoiler other than the one that has been discussed non-stop on here today. I saw a quote earlier for DL or CC that said basically "Yes, everyone knows who it is, but hang on because there are 10 minutes left in the episode." That sounds like there should be some moments that we really aren't expecting. I hope that's true.
Ok, I think that's everything. Now I just have to worry about the posts that were written while I was writing this.
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Tell us all something else we don't know, like what exactly does Joe Average DO about a country where the vote is a fraud, the money is completely useless, the leaders are all criminals-perverts or worse and you get arrested and disappeared for nothing more than exercising rights that were once guaranteed but are now forfeit. Yes wise one, save us from ourselves.
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U lucky lucky foreigners..
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http://tinyurl.com/3cufqy
This is the article that raised some confusion, and docarzt has 2 comments the comments section, each being very confusing in their own right. There are spoilers through this link, so be careful. -
The exact quotation is:
''Yes, we know you have all figured out who Ben's man on the boat is. But once we've confirmed that for you, there's still TEN MINUTES OF SHOW LEFT.'' -
When I read the quote at the top about "324 dead bodies" I didn't even think about the fake wreck. I was thinking about the mass Dharma grave. I guess there weren't 324 bodies in that grave. I guess there are a lot of things on my mind right now. Like how much of Juliet's cans we will get to see in tonight's episode. Which reminds me. Does the quote about Juliet lying refer to her cans being real or not?...I think they are real, and they are spectacular!
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Thanks for finding the quote and the docarzt comments. Those were very cryptic and could mean a huge change for what everyone thinks is going to happen.
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So if the final O6 are not Jin and Sun (or is only half right) who is the other person? Does her baby count? He wasn't on the plane. So who is it? I guess i dont really want to know, I want to be surprised and I am hoping that the spoilers I read about the O6 are not true. that would eb great.
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If you go to www.lost.com there is a picture on the main page of Jack talking with Christian. Anyone know when that picture is from? I don't remeber seeing that scene.
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That's cool news.
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Herc, did you really write that?? Sheesh!!!
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I too, think Michael is the probable choice. But what if it's Sayid?Think about it-- Ben did say he had a man on the boat before Sayid left the island on the chopper, but what if Ben and Sayid had made a deal--as yet unseen to us--on the island before Sayid left? That kind of half-truth is classic Ben, "I have a man on the boat.. well not yet.. but I will." We did see that Sayid is working for Ben in the flash-fwds, after all... maybe that info was more than just a dramatic twist. If Sayid's the man on the boat, his agreement to be so could be the beginning of his service to Ben.....But yeah. It'll probably be Michael (or Walt).
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Mar 13, 2008 12:27:27 PM CDT
Okay, so it was "Tonight, on tonight's Kwon-centric installment.
by 3d-man
But still. I'm just sayin'.
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You all know it. Own up.
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I know he's not one of ' the 6 ' but he damn well better have a happy ending when this show wraps up. He's the best character by miles.
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So, which do you think is the best character Desmond or Miles? Stop trying to confuse me.
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As soon as I'd typed that up , I realised this would happen :-)
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Fount-- I'm on the same boat (pardon the pun) as far as work and thursdays go. Good thing is half my dept. are fans, so we at least get to discuss on fridays.
That being said, I think I wasn't clear in what I meant to say re: time on/off the island. They have (as you pointed out) established the 30 minutes or so differential between "island" time and the rest of the world. They've also shown Walt (whether intentional or not) having had a growth spurt. They could use these two to explain Walt being a bit older (we're talking MAYBE teens-- at best) and on the boat. Remember Sayid saying 2 weeks ago that he didn't realize it was Dec 24, and the helicopter ride seemed to Jack like it took a LOT longer (overnight, maybe?) than what we saw Des, Sayid and Lapidus experience. So, it's a POSSIBLE to explain having a slightly older Walt on the boat.
Probable? That's a whole other kettle of fish.
Milk-- Your comment on people surviving after leaving the island is a discussion I've had with a lot of people since the season started, esp. in light of the funeral hoem sequence. just because someone survived LEAVING the island, doesn't mean they'll stay alive in the real world. And, I would love seeing a character dying off-island in a flash forward, and then going back to tell the story on-island, with the viewer knowing this person's ultimate fate.
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Omar RIP
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i love ya man but watch it with fucking pulled quotes. that's a bit revealing don't you think? i wish you would do away with those quotes in the title.
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No, they haven't established a 31 minute difference. They've established that based on the path the rocket took to get to the island, it was delayed by 31 minutes. However, the path that the helicopter took was delayed significantly more. We also need to explain why in the FFs they are so far in the future (ie, Aaron is older, etc). The Walt that appeared to Locke was also way older (taller ghost Walt). It's possible that leaving the island in different manners will create different time differences (it's not a stretch to imagine that people could end up ahead of island time by leaving---that is to say, journey backwards in time as they leave and end up earlier than when they left).
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I disagree. The experiment was probably made to determine time on the island. No matter how far the rocket had to travel, if it made a wrong turn somewhere-- whatever-- is should have still landed showing the exact same time. The fact that there was a time difference on the both the experiment and the control watches indicates that time operates differently on and off the island. (This is a tangent to the highly flawed Emmett Brown temporal displacement theory)
Although they haven't come out and said it, Flash forwards have not been at the same points in time (Jack with beard and severe drinking and pill problem screaming "we gotta go baaaack!!!", Jack clean-shaven and only needing an occassional drink, testifying at Kate's trial/hearing) -
I don't think we have seen that the time is really different. I'm too lazy to retype my entire theory of the temporal displacement moat surrounding the island (or to go find it in old talkbacks), but there is no evidence that it's not the exact same time in both places. The communication between both seems to indicate that. As does the fact that the incident when Desmond didn't press the button was recorded at the same date and time as the plane crash. September 22 2004 on the island was September 22 off the island. The same goes for December 24th on the island, on the freighter and in London. Things like the helicopter and the rocket don't take a wrong turn somewhere on the way to or from the island as much as they take a wrong turn somewhen.
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Hopefully she's taken some acting classes from the last time we saw her!
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Herc- if you have seen screeners for the other episodes, or otherwise know, is Zoe Bell going to become a regular this season or is this a one-time deal?
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So.. Greg Grunberg, dressed in drag, is the on board "entertainment" for the crew (while still wearing the cheezy pilot's mustache). HE IS Ben's man on the boat. Just as he approaches Sayid for a lap dance, Sayid guts him in 2.3 seconds. LOST 'poom'
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As headfucked as I am by the time-shift question, I'm really anxious to hear more about the light-displacement issue on the Island. What did Farraday mean that light "lays differently" or whatever. I know thats a pretty petty topic considering everything else that's going on, but I'd like to know just the same. On and off the island looks the same on my TV!!!
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Mine too. Maybe I need to switch to HDTV to see how the light doesn't scatter right. Then again, Faraday could just be completely nuts, but I'm betting it means something.
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Why in the hell do so many of you want to know in advance what happens on Lost? Get a life and watch it as it airs--HAVE SOME TRADITIONAL FUN NOW AND THEN YOU GOOBERS!!!!
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Because it gives me something to do the other 167 hours in the week that Lost isn't on.
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So now we are near the end of waht was teh proposed season for so long, how has season4 thus far been for everyone...we know we have 5 more now after next weeks but feelings so far freinds???
Personally, I think its been dam dam good, the quiet start of Hurley to the mad dash of Desmond, not to mention Farraday, Miles, mental Locke, disappearing cabins and some answers...
as I said straight after episode 1 of season 4, there seems to be a different pacing to this season, it has kept it fresh, all we need now is some smokie to make this a great season so far.....come on Smokie give us a wave tonight -
Ben's man is Rambo!
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http://tinyurl.com/yv7nh8
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It's been awesome...and with that, I must go to a meeting and do actual work.
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He only appears to certain people.
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Do both mate and let us know which was better....
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for reals?
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MP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Missed your post up there with new info. Interesting rumor. That's pretty screwed up if true.
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Just had a thought that came to me a moment ago regarding Jacob. I think Jacob is not exactly real in a sense he has his own body, rather he floats about in spirit (smoke monster maybe) then comes across Christian Shephard coffin, takes over the body. So in other words Jacob is residing in Christian body, but Christian as we know him is definitely dead (I seem to recall the producers was steadfast in saying thats Christian is dead period.) So Christian = Jacob. I know from while back a lot
of people thought that, but I don't know if anyone bought up the theory thats Jacob is a spirit not a physical being.
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sayid, hurley, kate, jack, and baby aaron.
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They've confirmed a few times Aaron doesn't count. Didn't have a ticket on the plane.
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fucking weak..i hope your pulling shit outta your ass..i really enjoy comming to the lost talkbacks,putting a MAJOR SPOILER in the subject line is fucking weak
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If it's not who we think or have so far specked it is, and considering the length of time that has passed since we last saw these speced people, then who?
Ethan?
Richard?
Boone?
Someone from a flashback? Maybe Dave? The guy that conned Sawyer into killing the wrong guy? The other Korean Assassin? Kelvin?
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if Richard Alpert was Ben's man on the boat. Alas, he's with the Others, wherever the hell they are.
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Um, I'm a twentysomething American who's lived in the U.S., New Zealand, South Africa, China, and the Uk for more than 3 months each over the last few years. Come to America or cross the street and then feed us your bogus opinions. Is it a decent place to live? yes.
How 'bout we get back to talking about Lost now. An American produced show on an American based website that doesn't need to be thinly bashed by an international communitiy that is showing it doesn't know shit about the place. -
I live in NC. Have most of my life.
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I know I got the hint we were roughly neighbors, but I hadn't a clue we were in the same state. Did you mention once being at Bragg or was that someone else? Where about are you? I'm in Pinehurst, Course 6 on the par 3 13th. If you golf (I play seldom, but with a 12-pack I can be persuaded) I can get any course (even Pinehurst 2) for $5.
smutpeddlar, I couldn't agree more. Cap't, that was low. It's bad enough (and I have screwed the pooch on this for which I heartily apologized) to pput in in the text witout a spoiler warning, but to put that in a title is not cool. I know somw that stayed disciplined enough to NOT know who the O6 were. Then to drop the death ou there...I hope you are wrong so no one feels cheated. But PLEASE in the future, WARN with some spoiler text, ok? -
cap'n'jack...always does that on these talkbacks, he is a piece of shit..he wil do it for attention instead of looking at his own little miserable life and ruin it for himself he will try to ruin our show for us...
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That's what we need. "UnLost" is what it could be called.
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We may also get an idea of what Ben was referring to when he told Sayid he shouldn't think with he heart, but with his gun...and this person may not have died. Just speculation, but it all makes perfect sense now. TWO HOURS! Remember, if you miss is, check THE Pirate Bay and do a search under edshrinker and I should have the commercicaless episode in Mp4 or wmv for your viewing pleasure, I'll also have a better dvd version up a little after that. PEACE!! and Enjoy.
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I'll have it up about 1 1/2 hours after it airs.
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Were you referring to this quote: "I direct them to Qui-Gon Jinn's speech to Shmi Skywalker regarding midichlorians"
If so - my god I couln't agree more. Why Lucas felt the need to take away the mystery surrounding the force by making it a simple element of biology...
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That's pretty close....and course 6 is a very nice area. Im in Raleigh. Used to play in Pinehurst, but not golf. Former musician. Played with BofOz late 80's for about 6 years (learned to play golf with them), left them to play with Cream of Soul. Got out of the business (and fucked up an arm and totally killed my backswing) and into pharma research about 10 years ago where I'm now a trainer.
And they said the drugs we did as musicians were a waste of time.
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Jin has a flashback Sun has a flashforward. This isn't revealed until the end. It's Michael on the boat. Bleepinggeek.com proves it:
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Spoiler.
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WATCH REAPER Y'ALL!
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Coincidences continue. I use alot of pharmaceuticals!
Seriously, through college in Wisconsin and NC I played in bands for 10 years. No one you've heard of, though I have a notebook full of original music from stuff I wrote during those years. Played guitar and did some singing. Covered some VH, STP , FooFighters, Zep, Who, Stones, - the essentials. God - I'm not sure if I know how to pick up a guitar now. And I have a full digital recording studio on my computer. Keep promising I will sit down and record all my originals (for better or worse) just to have them somewhere than rotten cassettes. Whaddya play? I did some acoustic work at Dugan's Pub in Pinehurst.
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So have you been a stupid Fuck all your life, or did you have to study under the masters like capt jack. What is your problem? Is your life truly that pathetic that you get a rise out of "attempting" to ruin a board that a handful of devoted fans enjoy? No one likes you in your pathetic outside world, why don't you at least try to make friends here? And those of you who know me know this is the harshest I've ever been on this site, so I must be pissed.
Node, where are you, you're better at this than me?!? -
not much of a connection. Just a brief similarity to Desmond's time jumping mind. Other than that, just a alot of trippy craziness. Anyone else read it and get anything more out of it?
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on my DVR. After Lost. Because I am sure as fuck not watching Eli Stone.
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Can be found via Dark Ufo. Love the stuff on our upcoming eps. Nothing real spoilery, but a nice outline as to what ep concentrates on who and why. Good read and it has the feel of truth to it
http://tinyurl.com/yrq7vr
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Found that out in our Room 23 days. I play keys. Been playing piano as a sideline from time to time at an italian restaurant in Wakefield. Haven't played since New Year's eve, but may go back next month...after the NCAAs. Did a CD for friends and family for christmas, and took one of the melodies from LOST and did an orchestrated version of it on there. Same basic melody they used during Charlie's death, except I changed it to 3/4. I wish it was still posted online somewhere. I'd send you a link.
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Fucking Grey's used up yeast ridden pussy (Anatomy). Having our LOST at 10pm is going to suck useless, poisonous nuts.
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on Pirate Bay with the rest of my stuff. That'll get me moving. I can start putting my own stuff up..so close friends and family can download (and deposit in the recycle bin!). I sell my self short. Some of it is pretty good. I just wish a I had one of my old and best bands from Boone, NC was still around to record it. From the days of the 4-track recorder my friend!
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He's looking for Jack!
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Trying to decide what to watch tonight before Lost, read the description for tonight's Smallville:Former Smallville resident Pete Ross (Sam Jones III), now a roadie for the band OneRepublic, accidentally chews kryptonite-laced gum and gets superpowers. ...wow. I mean really holy shit wow. I used to like Smallville, it had a few decent shows, but dear god someone put a bullet in it. A roading chewing Kryptonite gum... really... wtf...
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So as not to upset Mr. Inker. Please stop reading now. This is a rather large spoiler and will be significant to the events of The Economist. Please stop reading if you don't want to be spoiled
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SPOILER ALERT OVER PLEASE RETURN TO YOUR DAY THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD DAY
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http://tinyurl.com/33rzt7
If not, let me know
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all teh time jwac. But there are so many more disciplined people ou there that work to stay away I admire them. Therefore stand up for them. Guess it is none of my business. Just the same - thanks for respecting those that are spoiler free jwac.
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Are all 12 tracks yours?
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Ode to Lost right now...
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She works for Ben, duh!!!
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Yes. The LOST one is the 2nd track...I think.
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my echoing, spacious guitar riff overlaying in the background building with the crescendoof keys....beautiful beautiful alone...but I want my guitar with it...maybe I'll ploay around this weekend with your permission...
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I record both cause I hate commercials.I also don't have anything to do with neilson ratings so what does it matter what I watch live?Does anyone know if cable companys can tell what I record???Just wondering since I seem to remember something about a show not getting great ratings but was dvred alot
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Hell, it isn't even an infomercial.
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You know buddy, I have never been able to pin down exactly how they do the whole ratings gig. I'd be more accurate if they had a way of tracking channel/time for every user and then compile a sample of the data (cable/satellite). I record my stuff througha DirectTv box wired into my Tv card on my PC. Hence- Windows Media Center pwns me. Nice application. Throw it in Video ReDo to edit out commercials and reformay for upload to the internet. But that reception of that satellite box getting a signal and these suckers also send BACK a signal...I am certain these suckers know what I watch, when and how much I watch. That is how they should complie ratings. But I do not think they do
HERE IT COMES....
BECAUSE......YOU'RE MINE!!!!!!!!!!
Lovesick little bugeyed puppy! -
Not a fan of liars.
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Ji Yeon!!!
Jack is being played by those scrumptious cans...I know it. Each tit has a purpose to serve. ALL WE BE REVEALED...
"See you guys at dinner!" -
enjoy the ride my friends
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YUMMY
and she can read upside down Time Traveler sickness? -
I bet
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2 fillers in a row
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Pronouncd:
Chyon
I don't speak Korean, but that is what I heard. -
Can the cable/satellite company know what you watch or DVR. Yes and No, depends on your setup. Analog cable (no box) no. Digital Cable or Satellite, yes. As for DVR... again, depends on your setup. Tivo or another subscription service, yes; PC dvr, no.
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Whooo Boy
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hopefully this will head into Brokeback territory
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Has Sayid been absolutely positively confirmed as one of the Oceanic Six?
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Please don't die
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to Daniel Dae Kim in Crusade - that quickly axed spinoff from Babylon 5. He was 1st mate.
Damn Renee Z. looks great in period pieces. As does Kate eckinsale and Angelina Jolie. Something about the dark red lipstick....
I love Kate Beckisale in the Aviator...
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What happened in the scene with the helicopter pilot and Sayid/Desmond? I zoned out for a second.
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mainly because when she speaks English she sounds slightly retarded. Shes just not a good actress and is always asking filler questions...her character just isnt written well. Also, I could care less whether or not Jin and Sun join Lockes camp.
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Yes.
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and said the captain wasn't happy that they broke out of sick bay and Sayid told him the door was open.
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How has he been confirmed?
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SUN AND JIN ARENT TOGETHER. HES GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE
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replacement doctor? Puleaze.
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they all decided to start a band. Actually, it was just confirmed that Frank wasnt the one helping them on the boat and Frank discouraged Sayid from talking to El Capitan.
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Yes Sherm - he is an O6er. We are seeing the final 2. But wait for the final 10 minutes to get the complete picture...
MY FUCKING PANDA
AND the last one. Could his day get any worse???
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Jin-YEON
But they arent together. -
I go...I pussywhipped.
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shut up, you evil whore.
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What lushous can you have.
What wide HIPS you have.
JULIET - YOUFUCKER!!! -
especially considering the bomb that just got dropped.
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Amazing.
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Juliet! What a bitch!
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Like they are delaying any communication between the two.
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I'm extremely displeased at this turn of events. As indicated by my CAPS LOCKS and my sexist epithets.
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It should have turned into a knock-down drag-out catfight, with Kate trying to break it up. Maybe it could have started raining and gotten muddy. Next on Cinemax.
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last one was 2000. next one is 2012. when the hell are these people?!?!
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This story can't end happy. Shes with the bald dude
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and rip off her shirt... yes...
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That would have been awesome.
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YOU JUST CONFIRMED IT....
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if Jin and Sun are together, not together, in space, etc. I just want Sun to die preferably in severe pain. Jin's cool though...
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I hate Juliet. But I love the cans.
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Your campaign for Juliet's cans was a complete success. That was very sneaky.
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JIN AND BERNARD ARE MARRIED
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Darlton. I'm not gonna try to dig up the link but I believe it is at Lostpedia as well. How about, trust all of us who have known the O-6 since before the season? No? Can't help you then. By the end of the EP, WE WILL HAVE ALL OF THE O-6 as confirmed several times by Sun (Yunjun Kim). So wait and see then.
You fuckin' secret spillin' cunt whore bitch. I loved Juliet until now. That might have had a noble purpose, but was WAY TOO FUCKING off the mark. Save the baby (maybe) but ruin the fucking relationship. YOU CUNT! Not a good decision, Juliet. Maybe you could have thought that through. You coulds have always went and got her at Locke's camp later when it is time to go if the rescue is real. Maybe chopper over there to get there. Sheesh. -
Thats funny.
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Im Asian.
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We...have...a...suicide!
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Wow.
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Right? I didn't miss anything?
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"I'm ok!"If you saw grindhouse, you know this to be true.
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of Groundhog day. Trying to kill herself over and over...captain sure didnt seem to phased by it. Maybe because she does this sort of thing all the time.
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OPRAH OWNS THE BOAT AND THE ISLAND.
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After seeing him dive into the swan, I'm sure he can hold his breath for 3 minutes underwater just fine. He must have trained as a freediver
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IT'S TRUEEE!!!
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she was the best thing about that movie.
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Pretty underwhelming so far.
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ANd no, I'm not referring to Michael's Ex wife,,,
ta-dat-dum
...but seriously folks
tap..tap...tap
Is this thing on?
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Of course this episode has to be all about them damn japanese. Can't fucking skim the web and read the TV. Why couldn't they just make them speak English. Seriously I am lazy, thats probably why I can't recall most of Jin and Chun Lee's story because I didn't feel like reading during TV. I mean what is this? SCHOOL?
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more scenes like the black box scene please and thank you.
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THAT is simply not sufficient, Juliet. This talk could have been done as they walk to Locke's camp. Or the next day when she goes to meet up with her (as concerned as he is, I'm sure she ould make the trip). YOU DIDN "T HAVE TO DROP THE "FUCKED ANOTHER GUY" route.
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does that mean Sayid is Dhalsim?
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No babies or puppies die today!
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Not so much into the Sun/Jin drama, but I never have been. Never really considered Bernard an especially endearing character before either, but at least they're trying with him. I think most people would prefer the entire episode be based around the kind of information the Captain was giving.
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Way to drag that plot out.
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YES!!!!!
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Kevin Johnson I presume
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Michael is Kevin Johnson
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should have cleaned the baby's big ass head
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Wha@$#!!!
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Nice Job writers. Ass.
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WTF ARE YOU DOING ON THE BOAT MICHAEL?
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Michael's back!
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Next week is MIchaels
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It kinda sucks though that it was pretty obvious from the moment they announced his return and the titles of the episode that it was going to be Michael. Oh well. Still great.
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Mar 13, 2008 8:50:54 PM CDT
This is why I don't understand why people read spoilers
by richard cranium
That was a bad ass reveal.
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FOR 7 WEEKS! But, hey, it was still cool.
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Mar 13, 2008 8:51:23 PM CDT
One more Macbook Air Commercial and I'm going to pull a Zoe Bell
by mr. n
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coming? Really?
BUT...
Does he even know what is going on?
Could that "rumour" of time travel be right (the bearings took him and Walt 4 years hence, resulting....oh shit...there would be a paradox then, right? 2 Michaels and Walts. Darlton promised they wouldn't do that!)
Cloverfield Stone! -
No episode next week......right?
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1 more fellas
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So there are two Michaels and Walts in 1985!!!
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ok had to feign surprise. But had i lived in a vacuum it would have been real
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HAS HER OWN SHOW HAHAHAHAH
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Off island doesn't age you well, apparently.
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Meet Kevin Johnson will air next Thursday
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THIS WILL RIP THE SPACE TIME CONTINUMM!!!
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calling it
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Here comes the twist....
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?????
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WAIT I DIDNT CALL THIS..HURLEY?
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Nevermind
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eerily enough....this scene somehow reminded me of tht deleted/alternative ending from the first "Final Destination".
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Sun has a Flash Forward. That is the big FUCK WITH YOU!!!!
HURLEY!!!!!!!
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HURLEY DONT EAT THE BABBYYYYY
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Damn the writers got us on this one. Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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nooooo
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Ok, no one will ever be happy on this show lol
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*sobs*
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and the other was a flashback?!?! or what? i guess that makes sense, but does not reveal the last memeber of the 6 though...
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Did he fake his death? What the fuck!
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on island. Rescue with in the month. That means Jin dies within 6 months of the rescue and is an O-6er for those 6 months.
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No fucking way
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oh another 'execute' button makes a return.
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why did that have to happen?
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Someone get me some Tylenol.
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Holy shit...did NOT see that coming. So sad.
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Makes sense. Sorta. I was wondering why Jin's cellphone looked so old and crappy in his scenes off the island.
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and did he get rescued only to die after getting home or is there still another one of the 6 out there?
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For one second I thought that it was Hurley's kid.
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this is the reason talk backs are going to be dead before an episode airs. Fuck you,
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Didn't see that coming.
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I loved it.
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So he's not one of the oceanic 6. which means we only know 5.
still don't get year of the dragon thing. it cant be 2000 because it must be after jin's death in 2004. it's either a mistake (yea right.. at this point they cant make any mistakes with timelines), or 2012. which would be fucked up.
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Poor Jin. He never got to learn English.
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im pretty sure the tombstone said 2004 on it and being that the present time is set around christmas 2004 it would seem Jin only has a few days left
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Will..................
Die !
Jesus Christ - SOMEONE DID JUST DIE! Wa to shke of Jin ABC. I suppose because it's a flashforward he is not officially dead yet
"Cue Monty Python" I'M NOT QUITE DEAD YET. DONT PUT ME ON THE CART. -
The ending of this episode rules. Well done writers! The realization that Jin's flash forward was really a flashback and that he ends up dying. Whoah what an emotional crash. That was well done
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And then a break, and then 8-13...I mean, i'm not complaining but how exactly is this supposed to go again?
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just characters learning things we already knew. but solid ending. so is jin dead or is he just still on the island and "dead" in the real world?
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shit I can't type
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the story they told everyone was that he died in the crash, probably to line up with kate's story. but he dies before sun gets back to the mainland/future/present
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I totally thought that too...but for half a second
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Look at the tombstone. He doesn't make it off the island (1974-2004 on the tombstone)
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I hate god damn Comcast. Fucking shitty ass DVR system. I was watching Lost like 15 min behind the show and then all of the sudden it just ended. Because I guess if you watch a show when its recorded, even though you have it set to Until I Erase when saved. The fucking thing will just delete your shit. Now I have to wait till Friday. What happened in the end? Chun Lee die?
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IT'LL KILL YOU ALL!
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like saying "I'm never watching LOST again!" but I won't. Is it possible that he's not dead and that's just the fake grave from the Oceanic coverup?
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NONONONONONONONONONO!
YOu are wrong. He was an O-6. for about 6 months. There are now just 5 left of the original O-6. -
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Could just a be a tombstone because "he died on Oceanic 815". He could still be on the island, Sun is talking to his headstone because he might as well be dead.
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he never made it back to the real world. he's not one of the 6.
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The date on his tombstone had to have been the day when the plane went down.
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ok so are we sure who the six are now i mean if its the 6 we beleived than Jin makes it off island but must die pretty soon after getting off right we only have like 5 days to work with
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if he wasn't dead? Sure he might have died on the island but he's dead, dead. Accept it. Now pass me a tissue
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...gawd damn phonecall... So the O-6 is supposedly Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Aaron, and possibly Sayid?
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but hes not one of the 6.
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Sayid, Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sun. Does Jin count or not? Did he die before getting rescued, and they just brought a body bag home? We're assuming we're not counting Aaron or Ben as they were not on the manifest. Are they going to pull another survivor out on us? No I haven't visitted any other boards, sites, etc, so this may be answered already. I prefer to get my info straight from the show and be spoiler free.
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Yeah, I thought that too. I thought this was the mid-season finale. Glad to be wrong!
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Mar 13, 2008 9:09:23 PM CDT
Remembering of course that September 22, 2004 was the crash date
by charlie murphy
so i guess in theory that could be his fake tombstone, but Sun probably kept it that way to uphold the big cover-up that Jack mentioned at Kate's trial... so he might have made it back to the real world
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Why I don't know. So that was Jin in the coffin?
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Hey, that episode of Futurama was fucking sad. I didn't cry, but hey, I wouldn't hold it against you.
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It's possible. Sun never said he actually died, right? Just that she misses him
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he has to be dead because Hurley and Sun both would know whatever the lie is that got them off the island so thy would know if he realy is alive or not
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Have at it. Love to hear what you come up with.
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I don't see why they would go through all of the charade, no one else was around.
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There couldn't have been a flshback/forward here. Jin didn't die. He was in the hospital.
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will never know her father, you're gone forever, etc. so maybe he is still alive. Anybody out there read Korean?
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then he's not dead. That's the day of the crash. He's on the island.
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rewatch that finale scene. no one's at the funeral and no one gives a shit about the dearly departed. definitely not Jin.
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running the Jinn flashback for the sole purpose of a gotcha. Reminded me of the FBI ringing the doorbell of the wrong house in Silence of the Lambs, synced up to throw you off: the only blemish on a great flick (and in the book as well).
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You may be right about the year now as I look. Hmmm. I don not know this Kung Foo. Must investigate. Or call the MisFiT.
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God, this is one of the few episodes of LOST that I've hated. I will gladly skip this one when the DVDs come out.
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they could still visit the grave as the symbol of jin if he were still on the island.
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because that could explain the year 200 reference. If they got married right around 2000, that would explain why the shop keeper was pushing the dragon
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Is he dead or not people. Let's figure this out.
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Its Kate, Jack, Aaron, Hurley, Sun and Sayid.
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September 22, 2004. That's when they said Jin died. Methinks Jin ain't dead at all and is in fact chilling on the island with the rest of the island posse. For some reason he couldn't go with Sun. But I don't believe he's dead. No sir.
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the next day? Not much time should have passed between the rescue and Hurley's flashback, right? Timelines are killin' me.
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Mar 13, 2008 9:14:02 PM CDT
Is there a seperate set of survivors on the mainland?
by skywalkerfamily
Does everybody have a double? One on the island, the other on the mainland?
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Michael appeared in this episode in the seen where the Zoe Bell jumps off the boat. The camera pans across the ship and you catch an image of michaelwith a hood on. That is why Lost is cool. They reveal michael before they reveal michael.
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It's a FlashBack within a Flash Forward. On the other hand...
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Jack talked about the pact in which there was a story about only 6 survivors. Jin is, I assume, one of the people that was reported as dead from the crash. That's why the 9-22-04 makes sense.
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i would say, yeah, he's a goner.
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unless i forgot someone
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it's still 2004 on the show. they've established that lots of times, most recently, when the desmond from 1996 saw the calendar in the radio room 2 weeks ago.
jin is one of the 6. jin is dead (maybe- the producers said "what if a death is not a death but it's own mystery?)
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Mar 13, 2008 9:14:47 PM CDT
jin is not one of the six. tell me something to prove otherwise
by maxer
here's how it went down. sun is one of the six. jun doesnt get rescued. he may or may not be dead, but he's definitely left behind either way. sun tells everyone he died 9-22-04 to cover for kate. this episode was definitely sun's flashforward and jin's flashback. pretty much writers just fucking with us.
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Why would Sun go through the trouble of crying at his grave if he was still alive on the island? She would just be happy or something.
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It's possible that soon after getting rescued, the O6 thought those they left behind were dead. Later, they learn the truth -- everyone is still alive. Thus, Jack goes on a downward spiral of depression, Hurley goes back to the mental ward, etc, etc. It would be deeply satisfying to have Sun reunite with Jin again. But having him die gives his character arc a poignancy as well. I'm torn on this one!
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I think he's dead. I hope not, but he probably is. Anyway, at least Hurley felt up to leaving the nut house.
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Mar 13, 2008 9:15:45 PM CDT
uless of course he's still with the others on the island
by charlie murphy
fuck...
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The death date on the tombstone was 2004 9 22 - the date Oceanic 815 crashed. Yet we know that he's alive on Xmas eve 2004. Yet another mystery. What a bizarre sensation - complete awe & heartbreak at the same time. The clues were all there - Jin was back to his old personality, this is the year of the dragon. F'n brilliant!
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Desmond and the time correction crap fixes everything in the end and its a happy ending and at the same time it's sad. but in order to do this he has to give up Penny and does excactly what Charlie did
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has to be before he goes nutso. With Sun having her baby and the great likelihood that Jin is dead, I think her story is about done lol
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it's have us be emotionally invested in a character's death when he's not dead. that's why the deaths that aren't given much stake in the episode (eg when Bernard, Jin and Sayid were "killed" offscreen in the S3 finale) are fake. I promise: Jin is dead, as is Charlie.
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I thought Jin was just re-married... but I guess they'd play that up more if it was the case. I'm guessing he's dead and officially dies in the next few weeks.
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for posting without refreshing. Like 20 people mentioned the date of death. Oops.
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What if this indicates that the Oceanic six have been off island for longer than indicated? What if, when they left Island, they returned to the real world ---BEFORE--- The plane crashed. Until the plane crashed, they would have to have remained hidden, hence the huge cash settlement. After the plane crash, they came out of hiding with their cover story. Trust me, it would explain a LOT of the mysteriousness and cover ups and paranoia's involved in the Flash Forwards.
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Gotta be purge leftovers, right?
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I'm just hoping he doesn't count because he's a baby. You know, like how kids under six fly free. Despite his adult-sized head.
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Did anyone else catch that? as it already been said. I'm just given myself a pat on the back. Michael appeared in the episode when that chick jumped off the ship. about 10 minutes before he was mopping the floor. Has anyone mentioned this? Was I the only who noticed?
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That was 2 months of being married with Sun. It's a flashback. Rememeber how he said he was going to kill the guy in the cab. That's the old badass Jin.
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anyone anyone..
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JIN WAS ON THE LIST! HE WAS THE ECONOMIST!!!
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what is your point. it is around christmas 2004 on the island right now. jin's date of death was 9-2004. how does that confirm he is one of the 6. oh but you are the only genius who actually *watches* the show so you must be on to something.
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But as I think more about it, he's dead. The twist of this episode was the mixture of a flashback and flashforward, which was a complete and utter waste of time. If it turns out that it was indeed a flashforward and he is still alive, I will think more highly of this episode.
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Because if they were, then they were *only* there to fuck with you. They would have served no other purpose. Whereas, if they take place at the same time as Sun's flashforwards, we know that Jin is working for Mr. Paik, and has apparently remarried, and that Sun doesn't know about any of it. So yeah, if it's a flashback, they really serve no purpose except to confuse you, which is... bad writing. If it's a flashforward, then those scenes both confuse you and serve a purpose. So I'm saying flashforward, since I have faith that the Lost writers aren't that cheap/bad.
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The flashback/flash forward thing was one heck of a dirty fakeout, but I think that sort of trick is fair game on a show like this. My main complaint is that Jin's flashback didn't really have a strong relevance to his on-island story -- unless you want to relate it to his speech to Sun about the man he used to be.
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they said we would know at the end of this episode who the 6 were. I'm thinkin its a waste of time to argue the O6 business when there are so many other questions that didnt get answered tonite. AND the captain of the boat is.....(drum roll) ....nobody F'in special, that we were dragged around to believe and speculate on just like who the O6 are. Best show ever, but this episode was poop. I will say there should be more attention paid to some broad jumpin off a boat chained up. Just me maybe but cabin fever my ass. That chick was takin the fast track to the flip side, maybe the reason why she was reading the book upside down. The alt universe flips ya for real.
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Yeah we know, that was already mentioned by some guy named... oh here it is... Yo Yo Ma. Wait a sec...
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survivors. Those that were alive somehow on the mainland, and those on the island.
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The cover story is that died in the plane crash or soon thereafter. He did not come off the island. Not one of the Oceanic six. So he either a) dies on the island or b) is left there by the 6.
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- He says he's gonna kill the guy in teh cab, a reference to the ol assasin Jin. He's only been married for two months but it's a reference to Sun. He has just said on the island he will never leave Sun and forgives her. WHy would he remarry in the future then?
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if he isnt then they just wasted a whole episode to double out-fake us...
the date on his tombstone is the date of the crash because the cover story of the O6 says that everyone except 8 survivors died on impact, so if he is not one of those 8 then his offical date of death would be the day of the crash - just as would Shannon, Bonne, Ana Lucia, Libby, Charlie, Art, Paolo, Nikki - speaking of Nikki, anyone else notice the cameo on Sun's TV? -
Is Michael the last of the Oceanic Six? The promos did say he'd be revealed tonight, but it didn't see who or how. Is it possible that they were hinting at Michael?
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Man, way to drag that out.
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as long as the date on the tombstone is 9-22-04 we don't know that Jin is dead, unless Darlton confirms it. Because if he were dead, it would mean he died on the island and the truth about his true date of death did not come out. But if he does die between Xmas and the rescue why couldn't they just say that he was alive for a time but then died on the real day that he died? or any date other than 9-22-04?
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they really drag things out.
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jack looked much thinner in the preview so is it possible they managed to finish a new one just in time and then the rest will come after the hiatus?
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Finkle and Einhorn, Finkle and Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkle. Finkle is Einhorn. Einhorn's a man!
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I think Michael will be either officially one of the Six or he and Walt end up living under new identities (especially if they are covering up Walt aging strangely). Either way, I think all the evidence points to Michael ending up in that coffin we saw at the end of S3.
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Lost has turned into Sliders.
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Why wouldn't the "next on" mention that the upcoming episode is the last before a hiatus? You think that they'd hype something like that.
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So - Sun just gave birth to their baby and that is why she is emotional and also why she and His daughter are visiting the grave. I get that .
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and Ben turned into a Vet.
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where the hell is he? Now that we have Michael back, and we've been expecting to have him back, where is the kid? It seemed like we were all expecting one and not the other. Why? Shouldn't they be together?
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Hmmm.
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the kid needs a daddy and even moms need some lovin'
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when the Others pretended to be dirty? What the fuck was the point of that?
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They LIED and KILLED everyone! They ARE dirty!
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I personally don't think Jin is dead unless we actually see it for ourslves. I think that he is still on the island alive. As for why Sun would cry, wouldn't you cry if you had a baby alone and you were living some elaborate lie? She was talking to him as if he were still alive. Maybe she knows he is still on the island and she may never see him again hence the crying. Anyhow I enjoyed this episode more than last weeks. And I also cried during that Futurama episode with the dog. But Futurama doesnt get enough credit for how one of the most central themes of the show is loneliness.
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Just because he's a baby doesn't mean he doesn't count. So it's Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Aaron and Sun. Jin's definitely dead... they wouldn't cry at a fake or memorial grave. Preview for next week's show says someone will die...didn't catch all the possible faces flashing by but Jin was one. But who knows, when the series ends and we find out that it's an alternate reality experiment and that all the survivors awake and meet everyone who supposedly died but were only taken off the experiment beforehand.....
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It's not like the Losties would care either way.
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Yes they are "dirty," but I mean "living in huts and wearing fake beards while kidnapping children dirty."
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...is mistaken. This is in no way confirmation of his death, all she says is "I miss you." He could still be alive and well on the island.
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That have not seen LOST 4.7 because THEY DID NOT GET IT AIRED yet, or just want a clean, good copy (no worries about bugs), I have deleted the commercials and am reformatting to .avi right now. Check under edshrinker on the Pirate Bay in about 45 minutes and it should be up under
LOST.Ji Yeon.S04E07.edshrinker
Now...must read what I just missed before I open my yap.
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Mar 13, 2008 9:39:14 PM CDT
Why are you all still talking about the 'last member' of the 6??
by scorpius610
1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hurley
4. Sayid
5. AARON
6!!!! . Sun
Why would Aaron not count?
And the tombstone has to say Sept.22,2004 whether Jin dies on the Island, or the boat, or is just left behind. They're claiming that only eight survived the plane crash (and one would have to have be Claire), so they would say that he had died in the crash (like they claimed the Marshall and Ana Lucia were)
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After Sun and Jin's talk on the island, Sun's affair was finally known to Jin and he forgave her. There is no way he would separate from her at that point. So if she left the island, he would too as well. Unless someone kidnapped him or something - perhaps part of the motivation why they would need to go back to the island. I still think he's dead but damn I hate thinking this thing through in my head lol
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Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Sun. Aaron...
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It always cuts off the previews for the next week. Even when I manually set the DVR to record later or the next show it either doesnt do it or when the next show starts I see the ABC/Bad Robot logo. Was the preview to next week good?
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Remember, Michael thought the Others were unarmed and not very good at fighting.
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Personally I hope Jin isn't really dead and he stayed on the island because doing that somehow let Jin get off. Also, if he's dead I'm going to have to start taking the Lost Curse seriously. I'm guessing the writer's read about DDK's DUI and wrote in this fake out death to fuck with us about this so-called curse.
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The nurse mentioned That Sun was O-6, indicating it's definately... whenever the hell the Flashforwards take place. (It's also clear to me that Sun's Flash Forward is the earliest one. Next Kates, Then Hurley's, Then Jacks. I don't know when Sayid's is.)
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It's official, the Sun/Jin episodes are consistently the weakest of the entire show. They gave us that shit story tonight and we're probably not even going to get to see a Sawyer-centric this season? Some producer's priorities are screwed up.
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So that explains how his body made it back to civilization... when the Oceanic 6 and those on the boat leave.
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Even if Jin is dead Daniel Dae Kim is still on the show. For now.
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Jack - 1
Kate - 2
Hurley - 3
Sayid - 4
Aaron - 5
Sun - 6
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CLONE JIN! Hey, there was Charlie the Angel in 4-1, so, and weird time travelly stuff. Don't let the Two Rabbits touch each other!
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Adults who don't have children always forget that children count. Even a lot of adults who DO have children forget that.
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I wonder if Jin is going to die next week.
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The losties thought they could decide who gets rescued and who doesn't when they decided to split into Team Jack and Team Locke. But obviously that's not the end of it because we know for sure that Hurley is one of the 6 and he's still in Locke's camp. So I'm guessing who ever okays the rescue decides who goes and who stays. So maybe Jin wanted to go and they said "No, we want Hugo" for some reason.
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Just because Sun was at a grave doesn't mean that there was a body buried there. There is no reason to think that Jin's body was brought back with them
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So tell me, why's michael working for the asshole ben?
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They did say in an interview that he might have doctored some documents to make it look like he was on the plane, remember. So presumably the other oceanic 6 person is either Aaron or Ben.
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Could explain why Kate has her baby. But then again I get this feeling like Sawyer is gonna die. He keeps bumping heads with Locke and the writers keep showing his "softer" side. Usually a sign when shit is gonna go down. Make the person who dies nicer so that their death is more fucked up. Look at the off hand "Sawyer is teaching me English" line tonight too. I agree that the Jin death is a Red Herring,
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Sun is in mid-2005, (when her baby would have been due,) Jin is in 2000. But the way the O-6 got off the island weakened the Space-time continuum, so that weird things happen to it. Think about this: Y2K Jin was thwarted and delayed from getting to the hospital. This may have been intentional. Widmore or Ben may have been trying to throw Jin off of getting to the hospital. Because, if Y2K Jin walked into the hospital as 2k5 Sun was calling out for him in the same hospital, the space time continuum may have merged and Y2k Jin would have seen 2k5 Sun. Hence he had to be delayed.
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Jin and Sun are in alternate dimensions running a different rates of time but those two moments were at the same time!
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That post blew my mind just a little bit.
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Unless we find out that whoever is behind all of this has a giant stuffed panda in his office, the Jin flashback was a total waste of time.
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As part of the Universe course correcting, Jin had to live, so past Jin was pulled to the future to replace his dead self!
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...could be taking place at the same time as Sun's. Since, yeah, Sun would have to be giving birth sometime in 05 (being as it is, presumably, Jin's baby), which was not a year of the dragon. So actually, Jin's stuff being a flashback seems like the most likely scenario to me now, which means that those scenes were just there to screw with you and served no other purpose. And therefore this episode was poorly written. Seriously, that's awful writing, what the hell.
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Ben is really Dr. Brown.
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It's 2005 in the Hospital but 2000 everwhere else. Sun can warp time with her MIND!!!
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"The writer's tricked me, I'm so sad!" Lost has been a mind fuck since its inception, and tonights episode was no different. The only thing that would have had me bitching was if it turned out that Hurley was the baby daddy.
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I don't see any purpose in jin's flashback other than to mess with us. WTF? They've never really done that before, and I hope that's the last time they use the flashbacks/forwards to try to fool us in that way. They could have left that out completely and it wouldn't have made it any less shocking that he died.
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Did anyone else think when the doctor said her normal doctor was away it was some oceanic hired dude who was going to kill/kidnap her baby? And why was that even there? The audience certainly doesn't know who her real doctor was, unless it was just for that effect.
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Wow.
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Until Jin gets to the hospital I was sure that someone was going to steal the baby. Remember the weird guy in the suit that Sun thought was Jin?
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Why would Aaron be considered one of the O-6 when he wasn't on the plane or the manifest?
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Since Kate ends up taking Aaron to raise, and considering Claire's character is pretty useless without Charlie around.
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And a Wolfram & Hart reunion with Bernard and Jin!
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If he was in a belly then he would be a survivor of the crash, I'd think.
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That was one of the best eps ever. And the flash back/forward was brilliant. Jin's flashback a total waste of time? Hell, no. It was a plot device, and a freaking genius one at that. This show is about more than the story, it's about messing with your mind, and I'm very happy with the way they messed with it tonight.
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This one is for the romantics, and my last one I swear. If Jin and Sun are eachother's constants, each one can never die. Sun's love will be felt by Jin in the past, and his death will be undone.
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who was there to steal the baby. They did that to us on purpose. Tonight's episode was all about scrambling our brains.
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Sun's A flash forward
Period.
That established, Darlton has now lied to us officially in that they said they would not fuck with our TIME continuity of story. Said something like 'Lost is confusing enough, we're not going to jump around the time line within flashes. If some one has a flash back, they will continue chronologically during that flash back, not bop around in time' something like that. I guess they could get off the hook by saying they WERE consistant with the two characters...their stories progressed linearly during the flashes.
I don't know. If you don't love this show...I'm afraid people are really gonna drop out. Dad LOVED this show and was psyched going in to season 4. He doesn't want to even follow it anymore - says he has to "think too much, too hard".
He's dad, I cut him slack. And he's quite sharp for 73. But I understand his point.
And I am afraid too many others will share it.
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If the producers really wanted you to KNOW Jin was dead, they would have shown you him dying.
But they didn't. Because they just want you to THINK Jin's dead.
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Nikki's show was on Sun's TV. The residual crappiness of that character still effects this show to this day.
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I sense this becoming a GREAT DIVIDE among lost fans. I vote Jin alive.
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"If the producers really wanted you to KNOW Jin was dead, they would have shown you him dying." Or the producers want the luxury of two emotional waves for the price of one.
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Or it could be similar to Charlie's death where we now know it will be coming and it will make the actual death harder to watch if you ask me lol
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There is a virtual Pearl Station in the game and I was pissed to see that it had no bathroom for someone to take an inopportune shit.
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The post about residual crappiness made me think of that.
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I figure Jack and Kate would show up if they knew. So does that mean that Jack has convinced Kate to go back to the island already? Hurley seemed relieved there were no other Oceanic 6 there so maybe they tried to convince him to go back but he didn't want to.
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No. De.That was... the best I could think of, really.But yeah, I'm sorry, I love Lost, but there's no question that's bad writing. As clockpolitiks said, they could have left those Jin scenes out completely and the news of his death would still have been shocking (a bit easier to predict, but still shocking). Which means those Jin scenes were just superfluous, which means they were just filler, and filler is bad writing. Which particularly stands out on a show as well written as Lost usually is.
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I agree, because until he was actually dead I still thought that Charlie had a chance to make it.
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I beat my record. Ji Yeon reformatted and edited, up on Bit Torrent in 45 minutes. Cool!
If you use BitTorrent to download and want a high quality AVI file of Ji Yeon follow the link. It has been my pleasure.
http://tinyurl.com/27xw86
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Jack and Kate didn't show because they're, well, self-absorbed. Or on probation.
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Oh Billy Dee -- Playing yourself is GREATNESS to this day.
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It was advertised we would know all six tonight. You have to count Aaron as one of the six for it to make sense. I doubt Ben would want the publicity of being one of the Oceanic 6, so I cannot imagine his survival would be known.
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That was the hint that the scenes with Jin was actually the flashback.I don't know about this episode. The way they blended a flash forward and flashback was confusing.
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I always assumed it was just to trick Michael, but I do have another crazy theory. We know they can leave the island and we know at least Libby was steering people towards the island. Maybe other Others were doing it too and they had to disguise themselves? Yeah it's stupid, blow me.
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My DVR is shite right now
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The only thing the date confirms is that he was considered killed in the plane crash, not that he is still alive. Or, in all fairness, certainly dead.
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IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mid 2005: Sun has her Baby. Hurley only one to show up.
Kate Flash : About 2 years later, geussing by Aaron's age. Jack is still Smarmy Asshole towing the official line.
Sometime later: Hurley's Flash. Jack Still a Smarmy asshole, but the pressure is getting to him. He's begun drinking and getting jumpy about what others will say, hence his visit to Hurly.
Finally: Jack's Flash. He's broken, all evidence of the smarmy asshole gone.
Sayid: Unknown.
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another vote for Jin Alive, please! The episode was ok, up until the end - then it blew my mind again!
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but also said "maybe someday" he'd have a kid. Rules out a flash forward, unless the impetus for his split w the wife is discovering he is not, after all the back and forth bullshit, the father after all and then he takes a new wife within 5 months, giving him time to have been married again for 2 months by the time Sun has the baby.
So 10 to 1, Jin's story was a flashback and didn't serve any purpose other than fucking with us. Cheap, shitty narrative tactic, not a "brilliant plot device" as some dipshit said above. -
ok assuming either Michael or Aaron are the 6th O6er. We know that Locke, Sawyer, Claire are the 815ers that don't make it off the island. Claire might die, hence Aaron going with Kate. We know Locke won't leave the island. So what's the deal with Sawyer? I really don't believe him when he said he wanted to stay to Kate. Didn't seem too believeable. Then there's Rose & Bernard i guess and possibly Walt.
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The Good of the Few -- Walt -- is much more important than the good of the many -- ANYBODY FRICKIN ELSE ON THE SHOW...
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Do you guys actually think that he's going to live or is this just wishful thinking? Because I agree with something that was said earlier about how the producers don't want us emotionally involved in faked deaths.
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Sun went back to Korea. If Jin had lived, they'd have gone to LA.
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You ain't a Daddy I suppose. Okay, neither am I, but stil...
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Yunjin Kim and Elizabeth Mitchell said they balled their eyes out when they read the scripts to eps 7 and 8. But I think you (and several others) think you're right and Jin is back on the island. It gives more weight to Jack's character and his bearded/addict state and wanting to do the bridge dive. And I think Keving Johnson is next. From everything I have dug into, ole' Harrold P. is not returning to Hawaii to resume filming. What does that tell you?
SPECULATION/MAYBE SPOILER/POSSIBLE SPOILER...............................
...........and I postit as such because I read it on a site that talked to an extra doing the filming with Harrold P. (Michael) in the NY scene (which must be the next ep). He said - paraphrasing - 'they bought a green (can't remember the make) from a buddy of his. It was not long for this world...then there were rumours it was crashed. There was a scene with Michael where he
1. Argues with Tom (Mr Friendly)
2. Sits in the green car and pins a note to himself - a message to Walt.
3. His crash was a FAILED suicide attempt. He soon succeeds later in a certain loft in LA
end spoiler SPECULATION spoiler speculation
and the reason I have SPOILER WARNING-ED THIS...it all sounds so LOSTish to be true. The guy who was the extra - all his info has been 100% accurate in the past apparently. I don't know...but it answers the question of the coffin (which we are supposed to get that answer at some point season four) and gives us Michael's complete backstory post-island. And it sounds ...not good.
Hope the warnings kept my heroes..the guys who can stay AWAY from spoilers...far away from this tidbit.
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When Jin is getting into the taxi with the panda, he gets another phone call. This is immediately after the scene where Sun tells the doctors to call him. He (and his cell phone number) would still be listed as her emergency contact, and they wouldn't know that he was dead, because the doctor delivering the baby wasn't her regular doctor (which is why they made sure to have her regular dr. gone to stop the call, saying Jin was dead).
Ignorant that Jin is SUPPOSED to be dead, the hospital calls him. As he's getting into the taxi, he gets the phone call, but he doesn't get to hear what is being said because of the phone being knocked from his hand and destroyed. That phone call serves no purpose whatsoever if it wasn't the hospital calling him, but if it was, it clearly establishes that he's alive (unbeknownst to Sun) when she has the baby.
With it established that he's alive, the bigger questions come into play:
1) Does Jin know what's going on, or is he the victim of amnesia/brainwashing/consciousness time-swapping?
2) If Jin does know, why is he doing it? Is it to protect Sun, and if so, from who? Ben? Widmore? Mr. Paik?
3) Unless Jin was lying about working for Mr. Paik again, what role does Sun's father play in keeping Jin a secret?
4) Who the hell is he married to now?
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I don't know... after everything that Mike goes through for Walt, why would he just one day say say "ah, fuck it?"
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Year of the Dragon
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And Jin is dead.
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This is the second frackin time they used a character referring to someone dead to cover up when the ep took place. First was Jack talking about hid dad in S3 finale, and now Sun asking for Jin. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on you.
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*noticed they put the Island Time /Boat Time question to book - both locations said that Sayid and Desmond had been off island three days.
*noticed Hurley asked "Is anyone else coming?"..when he met up with Sun...and when Sun answered no..Hurley said with more than a little gleeful relief. "Good" ..curious.
*Wonder what Frank is not supposed to be late for. Keamy is one menacing Canuckian. Bet we get a nice little high seas flashback meeting / tribunal in next week's epi..and find out why Regina went Davy Jones locker on 'em.
*All the change in my pocket says Jin's body is not in the grave. If the date of death ( 22 Sep 2004 ) is accurate..well, a body is not going to be any shape to come off the island 3 months later..still could be dead.. Of course this all assumes that Widmore's boat is actually the one that did / will do the the rescuing of the O-6...and not something as yet seen?hmmm?
*Why the ribbon on the panda? seemed a pretty specific act..code? purple ribbon of poison death? think we may see the Chinese ambassador again...at some point and /or some time.
*Can Chuckie Widmore really be all evil and a right bastard..it has been my experience that right and proper bastards usually spawn right and proper bastards. Penny seems anything but.
*Lost blows your mind..wonder whose mind is blown all over the bulkhead in Sayid and Desmond's POSH new cabin...
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But I also have respect for the innocent and wouldn't start KILLING people in a desperate attempt to reclaim my kid. Especially when there is PLENTY of willing help -- willing to help.
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regarding the ribbon on the panda. Jin put it on after asking whether the baby was a boy or girl. It was a boy so he put on a blue ribbon. At least it looked blue to me
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GREAT question. Maybe his death will free Walt from some type of obligation (forced to do things to keep dear old dad alive?) Just guessing. But that's the type of dialogue I'm talkin about. Fleshing it out.
Or we could just "flesh" out Juliet's cans.
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This played just like those thrillers where the killer walks into a hotel, and the main character says "what's that sound?". The killer puts a silencer on his gun, then opens the door as the main character gets in the shower. We see steam coming from the bathroom as the killer creeps towards the steamy room. The main character is then shot calmy washing his/her hair as a shadow plays across the wall. The killer shoots the guy in the shower, BUT (gasp) the person he killed is not the main character, but is rather some innocent person the killer mistakenly shot, having gone to suite 213 instead of 312. Cut back to the main character turning to face the former shadow which is his/her hero costar looking to get some steamy lovemaking. THAT folks, is what they did to us. There's no plot, no cover up... simply a mixture of Jin past and Sun future. Don't look any deeper. They still have too much explaining to do (like with the BlackRock ending up in the middle of an island etc. etc.) to waste on yet another convoluted and possibly unresolved plot.
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I know that I'm in the denial stage of the grieving process.
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The only other thing I could do is insinuate things may change for you if you really were in that situation, but nah, that's not fair to say.
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40 "leechers" and 1 "seeder" (me) on that LOST Episode. Maybe I bette be careful about announcing that and liking that online ;D
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Praise be to Jin.
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Never really took much notice of them before, but they came to full effect tonight. As soon as she walked up to Jin and Sun, I knew those Boobs were saying, "You're staying!"
Best Rack I've seen since...Zero Suit Samus in Smash brothers. Have any of you seen the cutscenes to that game? GOD DAMN, Samus's rack is huge and that blue suit it painted on! Maybe in the next Smash Bros/Metroid we'll finally get Birthday Suit Samus... -
That was Baby #2. Turns out Sun's affair was actually with time traveling Y2K Jin.
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The frogurt is cursed.
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Ok, now what was that with the hot-steamy love-making?
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Damned American Heritage, always getting me into trouble.
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I feel like you're giving me blood right now. ala Jack Season One. Except I'm fighting with forty other guys for it. You sir, have very special blood. O negative?
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I'm not sure how much of that is just the actor over the years or a deliberate move for the character
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I've played _your_ story over and over and over in my head many times, and for many years. It's the "finishing touch" on my alone time ;-)
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Just spit beer out and hit screen. LOL
must go get towel. Thanks buddy.
I was just going to brin your screen name up along with a few others I miss like a little brother right now: Gotilk, Four We Ate, MP...I saw Node a bit ago. Ok, there is Xiphos and skywalker...and THERE IS BigE. I figured you guys would be more prominant. Love the participation - but I'm seeing a ton of dudes I don't see that often with the LOST TBs.
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That visual is all yours to take out for a spin tonight.
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to speed it up Terry. I could go into my program and blacklist everyone but you that is on there currently - but that sure wouldn't be very cool. How bad is it (speedwise)?
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"Jin, your wife had an affair!" *SLAP*
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Ah, hah. blue ribbon for boy. got it...turn your head, miss the sub-titles, and next thing you know you are left with purple poison ribbon of death theories..that is a nice twisted metaphor for the whole show. Cheers for the tip.
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You're a good man to upload the eps so quickly.
You're a bad man for coyly spoiling the episode as it's airing. Not cool man.
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Didn't Michael, just before he left the island, say something like "I'm gonna make sure people come for the rest of you guys" - no?
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Mar 13, 2008 11:35:45 PM CDT
Sure Jin's flashback was a cheap trick but it was effective...
by brokenheath
Knowing that Sun made it off the island and beat the island's death curse on pregnant women to successfully deliver the baby. Then to have Jin rushing to hospital and to find out it was a flashback and he was already dead...it hit me hard. Michael is noticeably different looking, more haggard. I wonder if it's due to Walt dying somehow. Would explain why he'd be going back to the island after killing people to get off it before. Maybe he's trying to make amends now. Walt being dead would also explain Locke's visions of Walt's spirit guiding him.
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Sorry about the delay. My internet is really crappy right now because I'm at someone's apartment so I'm not a good person to gauge. Don't worry about the blacklisting. But it's good to know people in high places. Also glad to have provided some humor :) I don't know which spoiler you are referring to, but I did read a bunch of theories in this TB and others, so I very well might have. But I avoided Capn Jack's post like the plague because I read the TB working up. It's good to have the gang here...although this is the first "live"-ish TB on Lost I've participated in. I thought tonight's episode was great. I was completely involved. Didn't know who was going to die.
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by midnight eastern. (whistles)
72 leechers. Holy shit what have I done. I hope you get it downloaded SOON guys...so sorry. I just went to UNLIMTED upload speed as I go to bed. That will shut me down, but speed it up for you all! Late! -
I thought he was dead but the date on the tombstone changed everything. Jin lives.
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Does anyone else have a fucked up DVR recording? The sound is ahead of the video by like 3 seconds and there is a humming sound every minute or so.
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It's not exactly hard to think of the flashback/flashforward theory. And it's not a bad theory, and it's one I considered and rejected before they even showed the grave scene. I just believe it's wrong, and I welcome anyone providing an argument that proves it to be wrong, or that even proves that the phone call was a "con". And no, just saying it was a con very stridently doesn't count.
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was not a cheap trick..it was smart..jin flashed back and sun flashed forward.that simple..they never interacted, just some good editing. the o-6 is for sure definite now, becasue jins body was buried in korea, and if he didnt make it off the island theres no way anyone lets his body take a ride home instead of someone live...the hook in this is..did ben have sayid kill jin for talking about the island? remember i called that
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being 2004, they have to travel through a time warp to get home, we know that.doesn;t mean jin didnt get it once he got back home.
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You are WRONG. Proof? If you read previous posts, Sun's baby is born in 2004, or the year of the Monkey. Jin bought the panda in the year of the Dragon, so said the storekeeper, which was the year 2000. There's your proof.
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Is Jin alive or was this a flashback for him and a flashforward for her? Does everyone who survives get flashforwards now and the non survivors get flash backs? Or was Jin's a flashforward as well but for some reason they had to part, Jin and Sun... It's plausable becasue he said he's only been married for 2 months... Ah fuck i'm confused.
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the baby is born in 2005 probably around june-august so the scene with Hurley is probably around september 05 maybe exactly one year after the crash
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My mistake, year of the rooster, then
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I thought tonight was interesting. Zoe Bell's part wasn't big enough(though I'm still hoping she's clinging to the hull of the boat)...I'm not sure about the flash back flash forward thing. Jin's flash back didn't really drive the story forward in any way.
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guys . . . it was NOT SUPPOSED TO. it existed to fool you, make the reveal of his death more heart-wrenching. and if people are up in arms about the writers making a more captivating episode, then i'm flat out confused. unbelievable ep
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Mar 14, 2008 12:19:45 AM CDT
Episodes like these are too smart for 98% of the viewers
by pizza the hut
...but who cares? That's why the "pop-up video" repeats come in handy I suppose. Some great TV here.
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You forget that the story that the Oceanic 6 told the world is that only 8 survived the crash (some lie that they must've agreed to with their rescuers). So they could well take 2 bodies in the boat with the 6 living. I have a feeling that Jin made it to the boat then was killed there.
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As any long time Lost viewer knows, Jin & Sun's flashbacks have always been about the push/pull of their relationship based on who Jin was (poor, son of a fisherman, violent lackey for her father, distant, controlling and 'traditional') versus Sun (wealthy, daughter of a major industrialist, vibrant, manipulative, and a liar, yearning for "freedom'). This episode continued that tradition in way that brought their relationship full circle: in the past there is "Old Jin,"on the island "Evolving Jin" and in the future "Loving Husband & Father Jin." It is this progression that is actually acknowledged in the episode when Jin forgives Sun for her infidelity and even slyly referenced by Jin's fishing trip with Bernard, echoing Jin's relationship with his own father. Jin's flashback (which took up only a small portion of the episode) wasn't supposed to give us "new" information but rather provide a more direct brdige between the murky past, present and future that is Lost.
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Very interesting point. Question, because I'm not sure. Did the store owner say it was the year of the dragon, or just that the toy would be good luck in the year of the dragon? I honestly don't remember.
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Mar 14, 2008 12:33:23 AM CDT
It's time for another installment of "Who would you rather do?"
by terrymalloy
Guys, you can only pick one evening with ONE lucky lady. Is it Kate, Juliet, Claire, Sun, Juliet, Penny, Nadia, Shannon, Elsa, Jack's Italian chick (who I call by the by Xiphos), Ana-Lucia, Libby, Rose, Jack's ex-wife, the girl who conned Sawyer, Harper, the girl that Sawyer conned from Season One (I call her too Xi), etc. etc.? Choose wisely.
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As pointed out above, this episode like all others this season have been models of narrative misdirection. Just as "The Constant" concerned Desmond & Penny but really turned out to be ALL about Daniel, so to was this episode less about Sun & Jin than it was ALL about "the sickness," which bridged all of the action. To wit, we've already had the general answer to what the sickness is and that it affects different people in different ways. The crew was/is getting "sick," perhaps not unlike Rousseau's expedition crew. The captain realizes exactly what is going on; so why isn't he affected?? We see Sun being warned about what would happen if she stayed on the island for 3 additional weeks. And then there was THIS BOMBSHELL: Just prior to the Michael reveal, the doctor is walking Sayid & Desmond to their nasty ass room. Doctor: "You'll should find this room quiet away form the rest of the boat." Sayid: "But the boat isn't moving." Doctor (rather sarcastically): "If you say so."......think about it, kids.
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I just rewatched the scene and he says "in the year of the dragon it brings good luck." So... what to make of that. The thing is, there won't be another year of the dragon until 2012, so it seems like an odd selling point. It's starting to look like the writers left themselves plenty of outs in this episode.
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I think at this point the writers have left it open so they could have Jin's scenes as either flashbacks or flashforwards, depending on how you interpret things like the phone call and the "year of the dragon" comment. I admit that it would be an odd/lame selling tactic, but I thought the storeowner was kind of weird and creepy anyway. I half expected the panda's tag to say Dharma or Widmore. In any case, it was a cool episode.
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but 6 made it back. jin's body could have made it off the island as one of the eight but didn't survive the trip back.
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I am so happy right now that I am the winner of that imaginary contest. God, I love Italian women.
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"I've only been married two weeks" And he was dealing with high profile clients. That's totally pre-island. It was a trick for the viewers, that simple.
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She looks nice. And if nobody has claimed her, I take Nikki as well. My harem is growing...
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Always Claire
But I swear if she prickteases me or once brings up Chaaaaalie I'm throwing her out of the chopper.
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I like Nikki (http://tinyurl.com/2dd5ep), but I prefer Shannon (http://tinyurl.com/2kghww). Rose? Not my bag (http://tinyurl.com/ys5dfp).
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In case you were wondering, and I know I was, the actress who plays Nikki just HATES it when people think she has fake breasts. So, you know, don't bring that up over dinner at Red Lobster.
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I just can't allow that. You know my proclivities for Italian women. I don't think our trade off gave you carte blanche on old characters.
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Haven't you seen the show that comes on AFTER Lost? You see, a brain aneurysm doesn't kill you, it makes you see George Michael in your living room. Also dragons and shit, if I understood the preview correctly.
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It is starting to seem like Gilligans Island.....
a)Too many visitors on the island that are not interested on Rescuing the Castaways.
b)An abundant supply of wardrobe changes (for a 3 hr tour)
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I never found Juliette attractive until I started reading the Lost talkbacks. Now I can't stop thinking about her breasts.
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Jin's was a flashback to 2000 (year of the dragon). There was no point in them "going to see him" at the grave if he wasn't dead. Also I don't get how Aaron can be counted as one of the Oceanic 6, he wasn't on the roster. To say that he is counted, then you might as well count Ben or Desmond if he got off as part of the 'Oceanic 6'. So I still think #6 is yet to be revealed.
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They like it long and rough.
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In general, unborn children are not listed on an airplanes passenger manifest.
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Period. Don't be stupid, people.
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In the real time world.... All passengers died on Oceanic flight 815. We have been following the possible alternate timeline for the surviving passengers of flight 815. Once the Oceanic 6 leave the island, they cross back over into the original timeline that they once lived in. Thus in the real timeline all they knew actually died on Sept 22nd but live on in an alternate timeline. I belive Ben has purpose to get those to do what he wants (not only because he is a control freak) but to make individuals make choices freely to hope they will change the future. If the survivors know that their decicions could change a timeline it would not happen. This is Ben's only way the help defeat The Valenzetti Equation. This explains why Ben gets the beatings and barely whimpers. Remember Ben is one of the "good guys". I belive Ben may have started out wanting to save the world but because of the circumstances he cannot reveal the truth. His problem is that he is dedicated to his mission but is wanting his rewards now. He has no one to claim this to...except himself. If he does, everything he has done will fail revealing the truth. Once the 6 make it off the island ,,, they have changed the future (they were dead), defeating the Valenzetti Equation, thus saving the world.
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I am so happy my overrated educational experience helped me procure a fictional character into my imaginary harem! Yes! :) But seriously, I'll keep her. If she screams things in Italian, that's just the best thing ever.
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Hell'd they bring Zoe Bell if she's just gonna jump off the goddamned ship!!! I thought she was kinda hot for a stunt chick. I thought I was gonna see some wire-fu on the lost island, but all i saw was the crazy bitch jumping ship...literally.
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Mar 14, 2008 1:52:08 AM CDT
Smoke Moster is a Security System to protect the timeline of the
by tron
The smoke monster was selective to kill those who it feels could threaten the future timeline.
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Seriously, I loved this episode. And if anyone is complaining about being manipulated, try to remember that really that's what good art is supposed to do. It's job is to manipulate you into feeling what the writer/artist/director wants you feel and usually what they were feeling when they created the work. And let's face it, it wasn't Spielberg level manipulation.
Choirs of angels didn't decent into the John Williams soundtrack to remind you that it's moving to consider a small boy thinking a nuclear explosion is "Mrs. Victor's soul going to heaven". (not that I didn't LOVE that film, I did in fact) On the manipulation scale, to me, it was about a 4 out of 10. But the episode was a 9. AND it included one of the best lines in the history of the show.
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You never know, Monica Bellucci might come on for a guest spot. Stay tuned. Plus, you still have Juliet's cans.
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that was cold, Xiphos. You kinda took ger out to restaurant you knwe Terry would be at, just to show him who would be on that thing tonight. Cold. (You like Apples?)
Ashok0 - God I love it when people brig up ole' Dex. I don't know if I have seen a show as well casted as that . Hall is a PERFECT creepy, yet loveable psychopath. I almost wish I could be him. THAT is good acting. Jennifer Carpenter's little potty mouth give me wood. Teh only character that drove me nuts was Doakes...don't have to worry about him any more. Just bought Darkly Dreaming Dexter - if the show is that good it has got to be a great read. And I guess Dearly Devoted is nothing like season two - so there will be fresh material
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Rather than trying to remember everything, I just took notes while reading the talkback. so here's my reply to everything so far:Actually, "tonight on tonight's episode" isn't really redundant if tonight they also show last weeks episode.We actually saw Charlie die.I liked Reaper but I tape Lost and Eli Stone and watch Lipstick Jungle. Lost had a woman in labor. Lipstick Jungle had a Brook Shields sex scene. Y'know?Just because Michael is on the boat, does that make him "Ben's Man..."? What if there are, you know, more than one man on the boat?If two of the Oceanic 8 died and Jin is dead, is he really one of the oceanic six?Y h8 on Juliet? She's a bay-bee doc, not a marraige counselor. She said what she did to save the bay-bee. Let's hire an actress to wrap herself in chains and jump off a boat. That would be cold.Jin's not dead yet... but he is in the future.Now watch, some anal obsessive fan is going to complain every week if we never find out what eventually happened to the original panda. If not, I will.Jin's flashback occurred during the last year of the dragon. His death is dated (falsely) to the date of the plane crash. But Sun wouldn't cry in the future unless he was really dead. I think.Why wouldn't Aaron count as one of the Oceanic Six? Because as a passenger inside Claire's womb he didn't have a ticket and wasn't considered a passenger.More indication that Jin is dead - Hurley really seems to like Sun. Not that he wouldn't, but you know, I mean "like" like her.So Cholly died before he had time to write "not Penny's boat... Penny's dad's boat!" or he ran out of space on his hand.Elvis? Where?TM's "Who'd You Rather": You forgot Joanna (who swam out and drowned.) Since we never actually saw her, she might have been incredible.
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Love lost. Love every episode of lost. I love episodes of lost that I know I will eventually get to see in the future. Really liked the last ten minutes with the Michael reveal and then the flash forward flash back bit/reveal but before those last ten minutes, this episode was really terrible. It was jst really awkward. Zoe bell on the boat killing herself, the captain, everyone referencing how badass the captain was etc. The whole episode was really off. At least to me.
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Because I've never been a first poster.
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said he was going back to Hawaii. I worried that one of the eps that would have to be scrapped would be the freighter backstory. They can't give it too much time though - only 6 eps remain. Goddamn - didn't this season just freakin start?
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I REALLY HATE HER!!!!
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...."P-51! Cadillac of the sky!"
IMHO..that scene from the first boom to the last wing waggle wave, was the best and most overlooked five minutes of Steven Spielberg's whole bloody career. sublime strafing.
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Also, I thought it was hilarious when Michael and Sayid met.
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you let TM have her. Xiphos, you are a true wing man. Of course, when you all go out, you just throw a cockblock out, with XI juuuust in hearing distance, you mention something about Terry and a fiance'
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Also, why all the chains? Why wasn't the Doctor helping her? Was she on the island, too?
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I tease that movie a lot, but I'll be damned if it isn't the ONE Spielberg film I can go back to again and again . Matter of fact, I have to watch it to the end every time. Probably the most underrated film in his entire career.
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They said the copter went out on an errand to the island. The upside-down book was a signal of her mental instability and the chains are to make her heavy so she'll sink and drown. As for Aaron, he was on the flight (though inside Claire) and didn't die in the crash (she could have miscarried) so he's technically an Oceanic survivor and one of the 6. PLUS, in the episode's preview the voice-over said tonight the final member of the Oceanic 6 would be revealed - which was Sun. They didn't say memberssss which could then have implied than Jin was one too but that would leave Aaron off.
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"The Man" even has powers in the water. Puttin Kevin Johnson to work as a janitor is wack. When will the black man rise????When!!!
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So...when/where did Mike and Walt get separated the 2nd time? Were they intercepted at sea again? Is Walt really back on the island? That would keep Michael close. How did Ben get him back onto the payroll? And why was it so important Jin brought a PANDA, an no other animal? And why was Hurley glad to be the only one of the 6 showing up in Korea? And where can I find pictures of Claire naked? These are all important questions that plague me now. I'm plagued. Plagued!
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Oh, and everyone's right about Juliet's rack. I don't like the character, but you gotta love those tits.
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And where the fuck does someone find 324 dead bodies? Homeless? Morgues? That's alotta flesh.
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but Claire and I, you know, have "done it". But she wouldn't let me take pics and we had to turn the lights off. I'll work on it for you. SHe can be a bit prudish. I'd say ask Chaaaliee, but he's, um, dead.
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One day, people will write songs about you. And I will be there to sing them.
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C'mon guys, obviously he's still on the island. He has a tombstone just like everyone else on the flight. Sun is crying because she left the love of her life on that godforsaken island and he wasn't able to be there for the birth of the daughter he named. It also provides Sun with a reason to return with the other 4 to save the remaining survivors (i.e. Hurley's chat w/ Charlie, Jack's leader guilt, Sayid's way oy of his deal w/ Ben, Kate's love w/ Sawyer)
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Say it isn't Claire! But who else could it be? Why would anyone bring a dead Jin's body back to the mainland? If he had died in the plane crash (9-22-04), it just wouldn't make sense. So logically he is NOT one of the O-6!
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Mar 14, 2008 5:38:46 AM CDT
Ausiello confirmed two weeks ago that Aaron is NOT an Oceanic Si
by pongo
In his "Ask Ausiello" column, he used an asterisk quiz to basically confirm that Aaron is not one of the Oceanic Six members. Ausiello actually talks to the writers and actors on the show, so one would assume that he'd be right about it. Besides, Aaron wasn't born or on the manifest, so how can he be called a "survivor?"
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and I still say Michael is the last.
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...and falling. Meh.
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That would mean that everyone who insists that Aaron is a member of the Oceanic Six would be wrong, and that would be a devastating blow to their self-esteem.
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I just assumed that he was able to fly to Korea because he was rich enough to drop everything and go over. Jack is battling demons and Kate can never leave Cali. And Sayid is too busy playing Hitman for Ben. I also didn't find Hurley's comment to Sun odd or curious. I just figured he said "good" because he didn't want to see anyone else and he is also used to seeing people cause he's borderline crazy. And I don't know why people are bitching. This season is great. My only complaint thus far has been how unbelievable it is for Ben to be straight and obsessed with Juliet
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has a date from before they left the island. I don't think he is dead or one of the oceanic six.
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Remeber Jack fly's on Oceanic every weekend during one of his flash forwards. Doesn't cost them anything.
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its true he hadnt seen him much prior to the flgight but that was mostly the mother's fault, she kept him away. if i remember correctly he didnt even know she had a kid, much less that it was his until she told him.
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Right next to each other? Why doesn't anybody on the boat go "Hey, there's two fucking islands".
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I don't think we've learned as much in a single episode since the show started. It's really shocking for the show to be moving this fast. This episode had a wonderful mix of humor and tragedy. I really hope Jin isn't dead. I hope he's still on the island because they were forced to leave him for dead.
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I thought the narrative cheat of Jin's flashbacks left me feeling too mad to appreciate the sadness of his death. Fine, do a trick flashback, but have it be *relevant*. If, at the end of his flashback, Jin had called Sun to say he was not coming home in time for dinner, or something like that, it may have taken his story arc for the episode full circle. It would have really driven the point home how much his character had changed since crashing on the island.
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I've always assumed that time was warped, perhaps either by the Hurley playing the numbers, by Desmond inputting the numbers in the comp, or by the purple-sky explosion, as the destinies of the passengers of flight 815 were so tightly woven since the first season (maybe the explosion or entering the numbers sent out waves into the past and the future?) This is why Jack ran into Desmond at the stadium.
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was a flashback, as Pandas as associated with China. Symbolic animals for Korea are tigers and cranes.
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Locke is the one in the coffin.
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Mr. "Palik" (actually Paik) is and always has been Sun's father.
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For all the hype around Zoe Bell being on the show, she sure didn’t last long.
Faraday is a very interesting character. No news there. But I think the reason he’s so interesting is how honest he wants to be. You find answers in his words even when he doesn’t tell you flat out answers. Good example of that is the scene with Sun where he says it’s not his call on whether they get rescued or not. And I think that’s a reveal. They had to battle with the others to be free on the island, and they’ll have to fight to get off the island too.
To pay homage to someone here, anyone realize how many cans were in the show tonight. Can’s of beans. Sun rifling through the can of meds. Juliet’s.
When Sun is in the hospital talking to the doctor she keeps mentioning Jin over and over, right? Could this be a clue as to the grave speculation.
Telling Jin about the affair was an extremely drastic step. I wanted to slap Juliet too.
I loved Bernard’s cluelessness when he walked up, then catching on. I never realized Jin and Bernard were the only married men on the island. And I think the “every decision taking twice as long because you have to talk them into it” as well as the cancer talk may also be a clue to the grave scene. Bernard also says they stayed with Jack because it was the right thing to do. Maybe there was a reason for writing this in the script.
Michael was indeed in the scene where Regina jumped.
So exactly how do you come up with 324 dead bodies? Who could put 324 families through such a thing? Why would they do that? Think of the manpower and resources needed to do that. The secrecy. Who or what would be able to pull this off? The easy answer is Widmore or Ben, but how would they keep it secret? I think that if it’s one of them, it’s in conjunction with an even larger “organization”...such as maybe a govt.
Remember the guy outside the delivery room Sun thought was Jin. Remember his look of surprise when she called out Jin’s name? Think maybe he’s a spy planted by Abbadon or someone just to make sure Jin didn’t show up?
There was an interesting throw away line said by the doctor on the ship. He said Sayid and Des’s room was on the quiet part of the ship. Des said the ship isn’t moving. “If you say so” to Doc said.
Speaking of doctors, how many do we have in LOST? Jack, Juliet, Ethan, Christian, this guy...and that doesn’t count all the bit parts. Did I miss anyone?
Michael and Des never met before, did they?
Room 23 and shrink – recognize the music at the graveside?
I watched the grave scene several times. Jin’s not dead. The tombstone clearly shows 9-22-2004. The key here is listening to what Sun says. It sounds to me more like her version of I need/want to see you again. She has to go back.
So why would Jin stay? My guess is the freighter is the key. People on the boat are seeming to lose it. Suppose the island is a grounding force, but when you leave it it has the same affect on some as it did on Minkowski, Regina and Des, but not on others like Sayid and Lapidus.. Suppose when Ben told Juliet she couldn’t leave the island, he was referring to this, not that her work wasn’t done.
If that’s true, then maybe the island is not being protected. We are being protected from finding something that will hurt us. WOW!!
LOST
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I suppose they met each other (for the short while) when Desmond turned up drunk in his boat as Michael was convincing Hurley, Jack, Kate, and Sawyer to go back with him to be kidnapped by Ben.
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but he's known about his treason for a while I'm sure.
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I haven't been injured like that since Buffy's Mom died.Thanks, Lost...
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First, good to see you again. Hope you're holding the fort in Charlotte.
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Mar 14, 2008 9:28:14 AM CDT
Jin's status is unclear - let's move on to the freighter!
by adrianveidt
Seriously, anybody else think this is interesting: The two freighter people to have died are the only two actors on the freighter that are "well known." Why would they cast like that? Clearly, clearly, clearly they're either NOT dead or their backgrounds are UBER important. Uber.
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Mar 14, 2008 9:28:57 AM CDT
Plus, did you guys see Michael looking over the edge of the boat
by adrianveidt
After Regina jumps? He pokes his head over the edge, wearing a gray hoodie.
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Pictures for Ep 9 over at Dark Ufo along with an AWESOME set of sneak peaks for Ep8. The first one...Miles is brought before the Lacke gang to tell them the whole story of their mission. Quite the reveal. And of course Ben drops his customary little bomb on the bunch.
Gotilk, I keep missing you. You still working too much?
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DArk UFO
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like my dog just got ran over. lol.. but seriously I bawled :(
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Gerard Butler should have replaced 'Sparta' with 'Awesome' when he said that line and then kicked the dude in the pit.
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I can't beleive people are bitching about the flashback/Forward, that MADE the episode in my opinion. I think people are just complaining because they were fooled by it.
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Economic tendencies is a pendulum effect; remember your stock market panics? Or, were you distracted by American TV at the time? Those in office wanted to go kill some people. Since most of the general media-distracted population are pussies, they need a reason better than "They need to be killed". So one was given. LOST is good TV. I view Korean girls as walking wallets, too. Just the pink kind. But if your still sore from us BOMBING THE UN-HOLY FUCK OUT OF YOUR COUNTRY... then I can understand wanting throw stupid comments out there -IN A LOST TALKBACK of all places. Ignorant fuck.
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so once Ben found out which plane crashed on the Island, he used his secret room of cash and passports to leave the island and plant a plane at the bottom of the ocean, complete with 324 bodies.... or so the captain says. But Michael wrote to not trust the captain...hm.
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Has the best theory of the talkback, in regards to Jins whereabouts.
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needs his skull caved in with a hammer.
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Don't be sorry about st. Losers of 9 straight to end the season. Mercy killing I'd say.
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She could be crying at his tombstone because, like Jack, she thinks she will NEVER see him or the island again. Never is about as long a time as him being dead right? As for my prediction who dies: Claire, in the tsunami of December 26, 2004. If the fortune teller told her nobody could raise her baby but her, she would NEVER allow Kate to take Aaron, even if she believed it was in his best interests.
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You are a moron & you literally need everything explained to you step by step. Disappointing me guys...
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Mar 14, 2008 10:36:20 AM CDT
The people who think the Flashback/forward thing was cheap...
by pizzatheface
Why can't the writers play with time? That seems to be a staple of this show. BOTH events happened. They just showed us them side by side to make us think we're seeing the same event. It's not cheap, it's called juxtaposition--something every filmmaker learns. Besides, Jin's "death" would be as poignant if we didn't believe he was still alive. And as far as the story goes, Sun could be remembering (or flashing-back) his recollection of how desparate he was to get to the hospital for the ambassador and imagining him trying to do the same for her.
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those two relationships are what holds this show together for me. I just get the feeling that the writers of this show will make both end tragically. Granted Jin is exactly the kind of person who would sacrifice himself for his loved ones. So while he may or may not be dead, it wouldn't be a surprise if he was (particularly to get Sun and his unborn child off the island so that they would survive). And since Desmond wasn't on the plane (and hence not one of the Oceanic 6), we are still left to wonder what his fate is...
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Damn Skippy:
Go vicious Rodents
Fear the Badger. NOT the cute and cuddly Wolverat (love that) and NOT the useless, poisonous nut. Nor the Green and White homoerotic cast from 300.
FEAR...........
Bo (Fuhgeddduhboutit) Ryan and
The Badger
Hey Vader - used to live off Providence Rd couple years ago. Loved Uptown. Used to frequent a place called "The Hut". That and Rock Bottom - but too many uppity corporate chicks (or so they like to view themselves). As far as the ACC goes....
Go Heels -
Sorry if I put you in that direction and fucked it up for you.
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609 baby!
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A lot like Wisconsin.
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ok one didnt kate claim Aaron is her son in her flashforward ? So that may change dynamics of what happened to claire seeing as how desmond foresaw her and Aaron getting on a chopper .me thinks bloodshed is coming on the freighter.
Also as this season has reinforced sayid is the smartest castaway he asks questions and handles himself well so if hes working for ben then BEn is probably right in his own way .
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had a thing where you can hear your school's "hometown" radio guys do games. I got it for football, but it was a yearlong thing, so I had it for Basketball too. Was useful for blotting out the nails on chalkboard that is DICKEY V BABY!!! I'm not sure about video. Gonna look into it now since I have off. That is a good idea - isn't ESPN doing conference tourny....ooooh I bet the Big Ten network is carrying all the games. I barely missed a Wisconsin game this year thanks to them. Great channel - except for that highpitched cartoon voice of Dave Rebsin. Don't know how that gu got a broadcasting job.
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Because I believe the promo pretty much gave away who as well. I'll let you know if I am right.
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I agree that Ben must be a good guy somehow...Sayid won't work for a cause he doesn't believe in, not after giving up life as a torturer.
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Clearly we're going to see these characters during Michael's ep next week. They were not hired for 10 min bit parts. Next week's story will of course focus on Michael flash backs and how he came to be on that boat as Ben's man.
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Jack,Kate,Hurley,Sayid,Sun and Desmond
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Who do you think is going to die? (Just whisper it to me.)
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That way if you're right, you can rub our noses in it.
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Mar 14, 2008 11:11:54 AM CDT
I totally called the flash back/ flash forward thing.
by youguysgotanymilk
I knew that there was supposed to be a death and had been speculating that it would be in a flash forward. I assumed it would be Jin, not Sun. While watching I said to my fiance "I bet Jin's is a flashback and Sun's a forward." I was just trying to think of the most strange idea, and it turned out to be correct. My fiance brought up a good point. Do we know for sure jin is dead? Maybe he is still on the island, and they had to fake a grave for him because of the lie they had to tell? All she said was she missed him, that could be because he is still on the island.
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No matter what, Ben cannot be a good guy. He may be a guy with a complicated morality that may ultimately be essential to the survival of the good, but he gassed hundreds of people. He cannot be a good guy.
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We don't know yet if they have any clue how to get back to the island, so Jin, for all intents and purposes, could be 'dead' to her even if he is still on the island.
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Jack, Kate, Hurly, Sayid, Sun and Aaron!
Remember the episode with the Jimmy Durante baby? The commercials for that episode said "another of the oceanic-6 will be revealed" That was Aaron.
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I think it was important for Jin to get the panda because it was for the Chinese ambassador's grandkid. Sorta a cultural thing. And since when does the island make people go suicidal? Thats a new one.
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Could you hear that?
No?
Watch the promo again. Soeone looking very distraught bows his head in resignation. It is EXACTLY a scene described... well, that's enogh. See if you catch it.
And people - please stop saying, so sad like my dog died. I have a lab, and when he goes, I wanna go with him. Sick but true. And you'll love this my Big Ten partners...his name is Bucky. -
We are on ESPN right now. Beating the Wolverat. 10 minutes in. Playing like shite thus far it seems. Early start! Glad you said something Node.
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SPARTANS vs Useless poisonous Nuts at 2:30 EST on ESPN. Right after the Wisconsin win.
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WE HAVE ERIN FUCKING ANDREWS!!!!!!
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Desmond wasn't on Oceanic 815, therefore he can't be one of the six.....as to who will die, I think it rhymes with aisles
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Here's my theory - everyone who crashed on that island started off both dead and alive - when they passed onto the island, they were split into two realities. In their real world, the plane crashed into the Ocean, and every passenger died. So the body buried in Korea actually IS Jin. But those who survived on the island need to pass through whatever time/alternate reality veil that shields the island from the world in order to become the Oceanic 6. Those who die on the island, like Charlie, are now dead in BOTH realities, but they are not free yet. The island has captured their souls, and they wander, LOST. That explains Christian Sheppard's appearances, as well as Mr. Eko's brother. their spirits are trapped in whatever keeps the island shielded. And I do agree with an earlier poster about the smoke monster. It is a security system... once used by Joshua to protect the island.
What is Joshua concerned about? If any of the souls that passed through Ben's DOOR and became flesh, namely those on Oceanic flight 815, are allowed to leave, a paradox will puncture the island's reality.
The one thing that concerns me is this - what happens when that bubble is punctured?
I beleive that all the people remaining on the island - all those that have a living/dead paradox going on, will revert to their previous reality. Other than those who get off the island as the Oceanic 6, I believe they will revert to the dead flesh found at the bottom of the Ocean.
This applies ONLY to those on Oceanic 815, whose lives were spared (and not spared) by the Island because its precious Ben needed medical help that only Jack could provide.
Which would mean that Jin is IN FACT DEAD. As is anyone NOT lucky enough to come back with the ship. In the end, we focus on Jack because he IS THE REASON that the island caused the place to crash in the first place. Because Ben needed him.
BTW, I believe that the 6th survivor was revealed last night. It was Michael. And when he comes back, Walt will be just as dead as everyone else on the island. That, the guilt of what he has done, and the advanced age he has put on by being sent back through a time wormhole by Ben will cause him to the be the body in the casket. Mourned by no one, especially not his only son, who truly DIED on Oceanic flight 815.
Jack is crushed by guilt knowing that because of his escape from the island, everyone else who could have lived did not. And by the knowledge that HE was the man the island wanted in the first place. He wants a redo, but the surviving Oceanic 5 know that is not possible. The secret they share? They are already dead. And how does someone live with that? -
Erin Fucking Andrews:
http://tinyurl.com/2d9guh
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...a heroic death scene or a surprise resurrection for Jin?
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Your theory may hold a little more water if you actually use the right names.Joshua=Jacob
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As many have pointed out I hope Jin's flashback was just used to create an M Night whatever his name ...the sixth sense guy ...type twist. I really hope it meant something
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comming soon, so jin is one of the o6, but then ben has sayid kill him when they get back, of course he threatens to talk about the real deal,and thats a major no-no, even for the others in the 0-6...remember ben"kill kwon..kill kwon!!" he knows what happens already in the future, and tried to take out jin the chatterbox before he even got off the island. when you guys see sayid merking jin in the first month they get off the island this season you will look back on this post and hail me...as you should..
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Another boat perhaps ?
With Mr Widmore on it, a little bit further away so as not to cause him problems, that the freighter has been experiencing.
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Is he the guy Jim Lockibee and Herbie Reynot see in the shack? What about Dr John Shackleford - what part does he play in this?
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the date on jin's headstone proves you wrong, brutha
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to misdirect, and its not cheezy or a cop out, it worked perfect untill i noticed that jins cell phone looked like a miami vice crank up car cell phone, that gave it away i thot..dont be suprised when sayid offs jin on the boat home...
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Out for romantic dinner with the gf tonight, home for some sex and instead of lying in bed cuddling I downloaded and watched Lost, talk about romantic. But I planned ahead and bought her flowers, which made me look great. Plus she is Japanese so not really the complaining type like a lot of Western girls I have dated. To those who don't know I live in Japan but am Australian.
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I keep looking at the broader picture. Doesn't matter if Jin is alive, dead or anything inbetween.
What kind of rescources must those people have faking the crash? And I think it was the chopper pilot who called Oceanic claiming the 815 pilot down there was a dummy.
- I think the Rescue boat looks like a ghost ship already. Yikes. And why do they have two Helipads, or is that for another sub?
-Then I keep thinking about Libby getting killed by Michael (by accident). It was her offering Desmond the sailboat, because her hubby died of cancer (or on the Island??). And then she shows up later in the mental place where Hurley checked in. So I guess something is coming out of that corner in the future episodes.
-Now I have to check again for that Expose girl Nikki, because her cans...
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Mar 14, 2008 11:41:16 AM CDT
Also does that Miles guy still have a grenade in his mouth ?
by miyamoto_musashi
Its got to be a little annoying for him by now
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so his tombstone date being 04 means that he dies in the crash? i mean, then hes one of the 8,but not part of the o-6?
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is lying about Ben being the one staging the fake wreckage? This talkback got too long so i didn't go through everything.
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So, we have the "Oceanic 6." Kate, Hurley, Jack, Jin, Aaron, and Sayid. Plus, we know that Ben Linus has his own way off the island. So, who is in the coffin at the end of last season? I'm overwhelmingly convinced it's Locke. There's no logical reason for it - he wants to stay on the island, and he's not one of the Oceanic 6. I just keep thinking about Jack's reaction to seeing the funeral notice, and who could've caused such a reaction. If somehow Locke was cast off the island by the Whidmore team, he would've been the one to die alone and friendless in LA. We're supposed to find out who was in the coffin this season, and I hope the answer is in next episode.
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He could be "one of the 8"...but what the 9-22-04 tombstone tells us is that we have 2 options: #1 Jin is alive and still on the Island, and is part of the lie that the O6 are propagating. #2 He is dead... either sometime in the near future on the Island, or in the process of getting rescued.
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Steve Lavin and cum need not ever be in the same sentence ever again, Node. Seriously.
Erin interviewed Bo. and I camr again. And I love Bo...but I know why I came. Just want to know where her tight sweater and pants are today?
Brian Butch 0 for the 1st half. Sheesh.
Miles does indeed get to end his breakfast. He makes an appearance in ep8. And unless its misdirection - Ken Leung is supposedly under contract, Darlton said he'd be back in Hawaii. But the play he is sceduled to be in...hope they have a great understudy. -
Would only expect the Aussie talkbackers to get that one
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I think the coffin reveal is sadly going to be as exciting as the Michael reveal in this episode,have no doubt its Michael in the coffim. Many others have guessed the same from early on. Just hoping TPTB prove us wrong.....please anyone but Michael, obviously can't be Jack either unless he has been cloned.
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Mar 14, 2008 12:05:42 PM CDT
people are forgetting that something bad happens with lockes cam
by thareign23
hence hurley apologizing in his ff and also jack is wrong about getting off the island . I think they might a trade of ben for the castaways freedom on the freighter and everything goes wrong due to some action by locke . This explains how ben is in ff and hurleys apology and jacks distraugt state just speculating
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Is if one of the Oceanic 6 main actors dies in real life before this series is completed I will cry. Can you imagine if the dude who played Jack died? What the fuck would the show do then???
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Dude - where the hell did that come from? Other than the fact Matthew Fox likes breaking the law and has a thing for illegal drugs - I don't think he's an addict
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Well...Ben let TWO people go free from the island...following Coordinate 305. He did this very much IN FRONT of the man he needed to perform surgery on his back....and his 2 pieces of extra leverage in Kate & Sawyer.
Ben did NOT give Michael any special instructions about what to do once he got to the freighter...why would he? That was all just an elaborate ploy to look like a "good guy" in front of Jack, Kate & Sawyer...a "man of his word"...
'Cept...He's not. A boat was waiting for Michael & Walt at Coordinate 305...not the freighter....but a boat none the less. Walt and Mike are led to believe they have been rescued...when actually...they aren't. Walt is recaptured....to precious a commodity to give up so easily...and now Ben has leverage on Michael to do his bidding once again.
Ben gives Michael a "new identity" in Kevin Johnson...and tells him he must get aboard that freighter and start tearing apart radio rooms, sabotaging engines, ruining their food supply and generally wreaking havoc on that freighter under the guise of the quiet ships janitor. I think Ben had a boat standing by to intercept Mike & Walt and deliver his next "mission" after they re-took Walt.
If Michael ever wants to see Walt alive and make it home to the states, he must go make the 'freightee's' lives a living hell. THEN he will be free to go.
But...How does Michael infiltrate this "hand selected" group of freightee's ship without getting the "outsider" treatment. How did he he just 'waltz' onto the ship which was already at sea...and just climb on board and start mopping up for them, no questions asked?
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How many times does this need to be said?
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with a slick behind the back pass to boot
Where is Erin? I bet she is touching herself right now. Mmmmm.
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Why else would Hurley fly to Japan and announce, "We should go see him." I could buy Sun talking to the grave even if he's still alive, but I can't buy Hurley bringing the proposal up and then going to the grave. He even brought a black suit with him to Korea. He clearly believes that Jin is dead.
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When Michael is revealed as the last of the Oceanic Six, I want the credit. You heard it here first.
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Nice to see you bud.
Cept...you're wrong. Next week shows Michael's flashback and some of it is in NY. He made it home. After that? Not sure. -
And, I agree the flashback was a cheap trick. That felt more "Prison Break" than "Lost." Also, Sun explanation about why she was asking about Jin during the birth was quite weak. (She simply told Jin's grave, "The doctor even told me that I was crying out for you. I miss you so much!") Two cheap misdirects in one episode. Come on, Lost, you can do better than that!
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If you are thinking - because she gave birth...think again. kate is probably going with the premise she was 5 mo or so preggers and didn't tell anyone. And part of "THE LIE" is she squirted Aaron out on Island ...and Jack backs that lie up. And when he finds out that he is Aaron's uncle, there is going to be some awkwardness toward him and Kate (and we know there is) due to "THE LIE"
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I dont know, I think ever since the Matrix oracle died I always think about that shit. She wasn't a major part in the movies but it was still weird having somone else come in to play her part. I always think about what would happen to my favorite shows/movies if something happened to the main characters. A morbid thought yes, but with a series like this it could change everything. Would they try and replace Jack with someone else? That wouldn't work at all, so they would have to rewrite it and with a show like Lost who's story is all laid out, it just wouldn't work. Frankly I'm glad they have an end point in mind so something like this has a much less likely chance of happening.
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Because Charles Widmore and Micheal on the boat would have been a much bigger deal. Talkback is killing the shock of Lost. Later, y'all!
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It's a fun "what if" certainly, but I'm sure that was not a grown up Walt we saw last night.
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But "you heard it here first" locking down theories and junk...I've never even seen you this season before this talkback. How the hell would you know what has or has not been said? As Node pointed out - there is a long line behind you on the Michael thing (i'm just not one of them). I was locked in to the Sun and Jin are the final 2. Somehow - I think that will turn out to be right. It is ABSOLUTELY not Aaron - and we were PROMISED we'd know the O-6 after Ep 7. So - wait for some Darlton feedback. Someone will ask this and they will confirm the deal with the tombstone and whether Jin should be counted. If you go SOLELY based on who we see home during flashforwards...the deal with Ben forging documents to take the ID of an oceanic passenger - then I'd say it is Ben. THose are the 6 we see in the future - and Darlton said it could be Ben. So- why not?
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You logged on just to say that? Ok. As Hurley would say, "Later, Dude". Can't say you'll be missed.
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Getttin' chippy because Wisconsin can't seem to put the Wolverats away.
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Up by 14 wth 6 minutes. Off to the dog park.
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Hurley and Sun know this, too.
The fact that they left him alive on the island does little to comfort them when they honestly believe they will never be able to see him again.
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Michael is on the freighter in 2004...and flash FORWARDS are in NY? I'm thinking he had to hit the freighter "mission" BEFORE he ever got back to the states...not AFTER he got back to NY.
Unless your drinking the time travel Kool-Aid, too.
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1 down. Waiting on Saturday oponent now.
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It's the only way to go. Sure you lose the simple pleasures of getting psyched up, but you also avoid (cap'n) jackasses who for some reason love the attention they get by spoiling things. God what a bunch of dickheads.
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Not really a spoiler since TWC episode gude says it, but thought I'd warn you anyway. anyway, what you already know is Sayid confronts Ben's spy. The other part says Ben urges Alex to leave Locke's camp before it's attacked. The camp is attacked? WOW!! Didn't see anything about that in last nights preview for next week.
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*THIS IS NOT SPOILER - ONLY THEORY*
Ben already told us this. The OC6 are the only ones left alive. Jack wants to go back, but not physically - he means they need to use the puple lightbulb device to travel back into their pasts and change what happened. -
Mar 14, 2008 1:28:30 PM CDT
Here's the deal the michael reveal is not so much the twist as t
by thareign23
and I'm wondering if the jack ff is really the last chronological one. For all we know that could be the first one with jack still distraught over how the island fiasco played out or even the second one. . We just dont know but I do know people survive and I'm assuming this seasons gsmechanger is the season finale reveal of how next season shows strandees life and the 6s quest to return possibly with a sawyer or Locke episode which we think is fb only to be revealed to be post o-6
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Aren't the Oceanic 6 all supposed to be alive. If Jin died in the crash according to the date on his headstone, wouldn't that make him one of the 8 in the cover up story? Unless he died off the island which would mean the tomb is lying. This is quite the mindfuck and it'd be nice of the o-6 were confirmed.
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She probably tricked Jin to get to the island.
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Next weak Kirk and Spock show up looking for a pair of humpback whales. Their stolen klingon Bird of Prey decloaks over the Whidmore Ship and scares the shit out of the captain. Then Kirk bangs Sun, Kate, Juliete and Claire oldschool Kirk style.
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Aaron is one of the 6. Plain and simple. Jin was counted as dead among those who perished in the crash, hence his tombstone. If he was rescued and died post island, he would be one of the 6, but he's not.
He dies before they are rescued or he's left behind, but the way Hurley and Sun were acting leads me to believe that he's dead. Like someone said above, they wouldn't dress in black and visit his tombstone if he wasn't dead. That grave wouldn't be "jin", it'd just be a meaningless bit of stone and grass. He's dead and buried. DEAL WITH IT. Sun is the final survivor, Aaron is one of the 6. He was rescued with the other oceanic passengers. The news would count him as one of them, undoubtedly. It's not like babies and children don't count. He's #5. -
I like that idea alot except that I believe its been stated by the show runners that this season is all about getting off the island. Season 5 is about trying to return and season 6 is back on the island.
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every one of the six has been referred to as one of the six in their respective episode except Aaron so who knows . But dude stop acting like they've made it offical who the 6 are ok you dont know if Aaron is considered one of the 6. Or just One of the eight
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Where else would they have gone, right? Hunting polar bears I suppose....
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Why did Hurley show up and why was he glad no one else was there? Is it Hurley time again? Maybe Jack's story about 8 surviving but only six making it was partly true. We have the O6 and maybe Jin and Claire were also on the boat but something happens along the way? I doubt it because i think Jin is still alive. Maybe Hurley was happy no one was there because he was in his "we have to go back stage" and he knows Jack and Kate aren't ready to go back yet. Why is Widmore concerned with the fake crash. i dont see that guy feeling compasion for 324 families. There has to be something deeper than just wanting to know the truth. Ben and Widmore must go way back and there is a lot of issues between them. Widmore doesn't care about the dead bodies or the families. He wants to expose Ben and destroy him....but why?
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i give up Beieve what you want - I (or the coutless others) cannot change you mind with facts, so there is no point in trying. t feels like tryig to tell a girlfriend youare wrong...no matter wht, just say "you are right honey, yes the grass is red". And life is simpler and happier. Ausiello(sp?) fom TV Guide has talked TO THE FUCKING SHOWRUNNERS. They confirmed Aaron is NOT one of the O-6. But did not rule out Ben or Michael. Now tell all of us that have read this we are wrong and I will agree with you and go on my merry way.
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NEVER would I drink time traveling Kool-aid. Time traveling Diet Mountain Dew maybe...but not Kool aid. But JIC ...SMALL SPOILER ALERTSMALL SPOILER ALERT..............................................................................
Michael talks to Mr. Friendly in NY in this Ep. Mr Friendly is DEAD - but was alive(w/a cheesy mustache I think) in the near past. That is why I am certain it is a flashBACK. But - dead people have shown up before - so I guess you could be right.
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Where I live, we have had girls basketball preempt LOST for two weeks now. It still comes on, but at a variable time after 10 pm. :-(
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The O6 made a deal to get off that island. A deal that meant living a lie for the rest of their lives about how everyone else 'died'. Sun and Jin are simply keeping up the charade back in the real world just like Jack and Kate.
And as I mentioned earlier, even though Jin's not actually dead and they know this, he may as well be to Sun (and Hurley too, for that matter), who think they'll never get the chance to see him again.
Jin's still alive. There is no doubt about this.
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The O6 made a deal to get off that island. A deal that meant living a lie for the rest of their lives about how everyone else 'died'. Sun and Hurley are simply keeping up the charade back in the real world just like Jack and Kate.
And as I mentioned earlier, even though Jin's not actually dead and they know this, he may as well be to Sun (and Hurley too, for that matter), who think they'll never get the chance to see him again.
Jin's still alive. There is no doubt about this.
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I do.
Think about this- Michael is allowed to come back to civilization BEFORE the rest of them. How could they explain that? Oh we found 1 guy, then months later we found a few more? He's obviously been in the real world for a while, (that's where Walt is right now), and you can bet they've had fake names... Is Kevin Johnson his real world name or just his boat spy name, we don't know.
But in any case, it is much more likely is that Michael was allowed to go back with Walt if they changed their identities and pretended that Michael and Walt had died in the plane crash. Then, weeks or a month later, Ben came to Michael and said, I got you off that island, and now I need you to do something for me. Michael is in the real world, of that I'm sure, but he is NOT one of the 6. He lives in the real world under a new identity, along with his son.
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Question: Please settle a heated office dispute regarding Lost: Aaron is or is not one of the Oceanic Six?— Dane
Ausiello: Aaron is *** *** of the Oceanic Six.
the blanks are obviously NOT ONE
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Unless they're being watched....
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And it obviously doesn't. Not everything they say is golden.
I think Ausiello is being tricky here. The creators said we'd know who the 6 were by the end of the first pod of episodes (ending next week). Seeing as how next week is a Michael flashback, I think we've already seen everyone who gets off the island. Count them up, gentlemen. Tell me who the 6th is, if it's not Aaron? -
That I don't think it is.
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Another great episode, but Jin's flashback cut to Sun's flashforward was really high school. There's a difference between a twist and a "Gotcha!" and that was a cheap "Gotcha!" Nothing in that flashback added anything to Sun or Jin's story. Sun's calling out for her husband was enough to plant the seed that maybe Jin had made it off the island. Cutting between "Call his cell!" and Jin's phone ringing was just a cheap trick on the audience, nothing more. The big payoff? That awkward "I've only been married two months!" How is that part of the story and not just a total waste of time?
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When exactly did Sun ever say that her husband was dead? I am nearly 100% sure she never uttered those words.
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just to fuck up with our heads, but I thought there was something up with it, namely Jins terrible off Island hair..
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OK. Fair enough. Then what are they? Try as you might, you will not find 2 words that fit better. But please - go ahead and try. And I will buy you many beers if ou succeed. But you won't.
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Definately works the Soul Glo look.Just let your SOOOOOOOOOOOOOUL GLOOOOOOO, Soul Glo
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And she has Jin. So I'm still thinking they find a reasonable explaination as to why he is one of the 6. Or it is Ben with a faked passenger manifest, or an assumed ID.
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flashbacks wewre used to show teh dilemma's that these people are going through on teh Island were once experienced by them off teh island in different scenario's...such as Jack's addictive personality, Kate's running, Locke's unwitting ability to fall hook line and sinker in with the wrong crowd...
this flash was used as an emotional vehicle to add impetous to the final scene where the forgiving and loving Jin forgives his wife for her affair,,,,all he cares about is that they are in love now and that the child is his...and the flash was sued to show us that he is not about(one way or the other)when the child is born
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If Aaron doesn't count as #6, then it's Ben (Masquerading obviously). The promos said yesterday's episode would reveal the last of the Oceanic 6.
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How about "NOT BEN,"???
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Just a theory that I had: what if Ben faked Jin's death so that he could work for him like Sayid? I'm not convinced that Jin's dead. After all, we just saw a gravestone, not a body nor Jin's actual death-scene. It could be a red-herring/bait-and-switch, so that when we see who is really killed next week it'll be a surprise. Also, how do you get 324 corpses and plane wreckage? You have a submarine scour the ocean floor and retrieve the real bodies and debris from Oceanic 815 and then transport it to the fake site. Something we know that Ben had the resources to do, easily...
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Mar 14, 2008 3:46:18 PM CDT
THe show if FIRST about the Characters SEcond about the Island
by brighteyes
I disagree with some of you saying this ep was just ok or a bad one. You are right about Jins flashback not having anything to do to further the island story, but come on this show isn't just about the island, it's about the characters,and we loss a major one in this ep, they had to make it beautiful and dramatic which they did. The flashback may not have pushed island story but it sure did push emotions high and in my opinion an ep that will join the ranks of Lost best emotional episode's. also I dont blame people who dont come in the talkbacks I never come in untill after I watch the new episode, I dont mind spiolers if they put warnings so I could skip them but some people dont put the spoiler warning which sucks.
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"this flash was used as an emotional vehicle to add impetous to the final scene" - the flashback was about him buying a panda for a client, how is that an emotional vehicle? "FB main purpose is to show where a char was and where they are now" - What new information about Jin did you glean from this flashback?
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was meerly used as a tool to heighten the tension of would he get there on time, it was important to him to be there....however with him being dead and all teh Lost writers were using this flash as a smoke screen until we had the reveal he was dead...
if they would have come straight out and said 'He's dead when the babbies born' then the flash would have been pointless,
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What if this what was meant:
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Mar 14, 2008 3:49:15 PM CDT
What happened on the island that Jack and Kate would not speak o
by tron
In fact why was Jack hostile to kate in the courtroom.
My theory is that Kate may take some actions on the deaths of Claire and Juliet. Jack may discover that Claire is his sister and is developing a romance with Juliet. Jack is pissed off at Kate for taking or indirectly taking away everything that ment the most to him (besides getting off the island).
Kate has adopted Aaron as her own , feeling guilt for Claires death. Remember Kate is not interested in any children.
The rescue of the Oceanic 6 will not conclude the series!!!!! Its possible we may see the Oceanic 6 in the last episodes or season trying to get back to the island.
Life in a different timeline world may be tough for them to deal with, in fact it may be extremely different. It may not be the timeline they left before the flight.
It's possible the "Adam and Eve" on the island are Jack and Kate.
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I ask you this: Why was the date of Jin's death on his tombstone listed as the day 815 crashed? We KNOW Jin didn't die the day the plane crashed. The Oceanic 6 are living a lie, this is a fact we already know.
Also, I believe Queerbait is correct. Hurley and Sun are "playing along" because they are being watched.
And no, I've never been to a grave site for someone who wasn't dead because I've yet to get stranded on a weird island and been forced to make a deal to lie about my spouse being dead to save the life of my child and get off said weird island. -
nice idea's,, i like it
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And the Terminator gets a bullet in his ass.
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OK, I think we could all see that coming with Michael being one of the 'Freighties'. But what the fuck? Jin's dead? So was his segment a flashback or has his death been faked? -
To avoid the world trying to find an island that could destroy it.
The altered the Valenzetti Equation to keep the world from being destroyed. Benjamin Linus is out there in the future killing off those who could potentially exploit the islands powers for profit. Thus the Valenzetti Equation could start the doomsday clock again. -
novaman yeah he got off before but if he gets off with them afterall he is on the manifest . I'm just saying keep a open mind
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**********Spoiler ************ I agree with that theory. To add, I believe that they achieve it and when the last episode of season 6 ends. It will end with Jack in a suit waking up on the Island beach just like the pilot episode. He will go back in time and wont remember the previous time he was there. Just how Desmond did not remember when he went back in time and forget who Sayid was when he got back
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That's my gripe with last night's episode. Jin's flashback story line added nothing to the show. It didn't change the character, didn't add to his relationship with his wife, didn't offer any further revelations. It was a total red herring that on its own was completely empty. I LOVE how the viewer was mislead with Jack's story and the first flash forward from last season, because it was fantastic for Jack's character and totally relevant to the show, but here, so much went into pulling the wool over our eyes, tricking us into thinking Jin made it off the island too. Ten empty minutes. I guess I just expect more from the writers, which is a compliment, in its own right. Not that anyone's going to read this post, mind you ...
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Sun is mouring because she believes that she will never see her husband again, even though he's alive. It's that simple.
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It's purpose was twofold:1) It threw the viewer off and made them think he was getting the Panda for Sun. 2)It was used to show how Jin's personality had evolved since being stranded on the island. Before if he found out that Sun had cheated on him he would have beat the shit out of her. They showed how pissed off he was at the dude who stole his cab and how he threatened to kill them, which was most likely not an idle threat.I think the FB worked perfectly in the episode and made it one of the more emotional ones to date.
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I love Jin and have has been in my top 3 favorite characters from season 2-4, He will be missed. Team Jack!
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Hmmmm??
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Radzinsky's partner killed himself and the blood pattern was the same.
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Sun is not looking for Jin despite the fact that she knows he's alive for 2 major reasons:
1) She agreed to lie about her husband's death in order to get her baby off the island.
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It isn't terrible. But you have to ask yourself - is it clearly better than NOT ONE. Sorry - not even close. Ausiello WANTS you to get it without giving it. He made it easy that way for a reason. C'mon guys - many more mysteries...its OK to say "I'M wrong". I do it more times than I would like. Lets move on to the puzzle - is it Ben, Jin, or Mike, or even Walt? DArlton went out of their way to explain how Ben could be one. Why would they do that if the answer was going to be clear? I think they are leading us into the idea. Remember - we were promised their identies after EP7. Jack, Kate, Hugo, Sayid, Sun, and Ben are the only ones (so far) shown alive after rescue and Aaron was eliminated from consideration. Occams Razor? Those are the 6.
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I wrote Ausiello. Let's see if he answers me.
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Since all the passengers were believed dead it no suprise that jin has a tombstone - the 'six' survivors are pretending all the others are dead, so sun visiting her husbands 'grave' could be to put whomever their decieving off the trail.
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I wrote Ausiello. Let's see if he answers me.
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but now I'm not sure. I had everyone but Jin ruled out after DarkUFO's info but now I'm open to the idea that it could be anyone we've seen off the island. (Michael, Ben, or Aaron)
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Mar 14, 2008 4:54:56 PM CDT
First of all, Jin is dead. It's sad, but that's the way it is.
by samsquanch
second, Aaron is not one of the 6. Aaron has no back story, no history, he's a prop, not a character.
We're being set up for a shocker. Of the Oceanic 6 we've only seen 5. Jack, Sayid, Hurley, Sun, and Kate. We know that two people 'died' before they could be rescued, according to The Lie, and as of this episode, I'm pretty convinced that Jin is one of the two.
This leaves one Oceanic 6er left unrevealed. It's not Michael, it's probably not Ben, I doubt it's Locke, so who could it be?
Are you kidding? It's gotta be Sawyer.
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It takes a big an to admit when e is wrong. and I am NOT a big man.
So says Fletch.
But I may be wrong. IT hinges on the email I may get back from Ausiello. Does he REALLY have Darlton's confirmation. I say this, because THIS just appeared in my EW magazine:
The Oceanic 6 is set. Right? Right?
Sun's flash-forward fake-out seemed to close out the first act of Lost's future-time story line: identifying the members of the Oceanic 6, the celebrity miracle survivors of Oceanic 815. To recap, they are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron, and Sun. Now, I know what some of you are saying: Aaron can't be a member of the Oceanic 6 because he wasn't born prior to the crash and therefore was not technically an Oceanic 815 passenger. To which I say, Please. Don't be so literal. In the Lost world, the Oceanic 6 is clearly a media-coined term, pinned on these six souls by some clever headline writer or newscaster. And being in the business, I can tell you that tiny little facts like Aaron's non-passenger status would never, ever get in the way of a easy, catchy piece of phrasing. We journalists are exactly that lazy. So let's call it: The Oceanic 6 is settled. Now, let's move on to the next act of their story, which I'm betting will cover two big points: the backstory behind Jack's downward spiral into boozy, grizzly-bearded, we-gotta-go-back-to-the-Island mania, and more context for Ben and Sayid's secret war with their list of mysterious off-Island foes.
So Fuck. For Now, I give up. It's a pissing contest between Jensen and Ausiello. Hope to get a Darlton answer SOON!
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I was under the impression, based on comments from Darlton or someone else like that, that by episode 7 we'd know the identity of all 6. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Sayid...who else have we seen that was on the island at one time but is off in the future up to now? Ben, Aaron and unborn baby. I don't think it's Ben because we know he comes and goes as he pleases, wields tremendous power if Capt. Gault is to be believed, and would do all he could to avoid the spotlight that comes with being one of the O-6. Aaron raises too many questions. In the island timeline the O-6 will be rescued in a little under 3 weeks, maybe less. At that time Aaron will be, at best 3 months old. I doubt that a year and 9 months pass between the rescue and the end of Kate's trial so how to explain why Aaron is 2 years old? It's known that Kate didn't have a child, wasn't pregnant. Aaron wasn't on the flight manifest. I don't know how Aaron is where he is with Kate, I don't know why Jack won't see him and I definitely don't know why he's magically 2 years old when he should be at most a year old. I really think #6 is the unborn baby. It seems simple and almost a cop-out but the other two options don't make sense to me.
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Now you have US tomorrow. Should be a GREAT game. Do you know when it is and what network?
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Caught that flick late last nite...loved seeing Nestor shish kabob Matt Fox. Hope Jack gets to return the favor on LOST someday.
Eddie...my theories on Mike & Spoiler Man Visit.
1. Mike made it back to the states (NY) and Spoiler Man had time to make a trip to give him a mission BEFORE he was killed on the island.
2. Spoiler Man "appears" to Mike in NY the same way Chaw-lee appeared to Hurley in the season opener.
3. I still think Mike's episode will be a COMBO of Flashbacks and Flash Forwards.
Mike is NOT an Oceanic 6. Jin may or may not be dead...but I think Sun truly FEELS he is dead. Jin swore to her that he would do EVERYTHING in his power to get her & baby off the island. I think when the time comes to start boarding that helicopter, Jin will be "killed" trying to join her on the flight...and Sun will only be able to conclude he MUST have died...but, I think Juliette will have nursed him back to health...and he is still waiting for rescue on the island. I think Jin will eventually get to look into Ji Yeon eyes. -
I agree, there's no proof that Sun made a deal to get off the island. However we do know two things. 1.) the island isn't the easiest thing to find. Even someone like Charles Widmore spend a seemingly long time and a lot of money relocating it. So I don't think Sun would be able to find it any easier. 2.) Jin would do anything to protect his wife and that includes getting her off the island at all costs, even if it meant he had to stay behind. Not just because her and the baby would die if they stayed but because that's how Jin rolls. For all intents and purposes, Jin is dead to Sun because he's on an island that she doesn't think she can ever get back to. And who can she ask to help her get back anyway? Remember The Lie that the O-6 are telling. In order to maintain that front, Jin has to be dead to her.
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Was Sun watching a rerun or something?
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Is Expose an American TV show? If it is, maybe it's because it takes a while for an American to get to Korea? Or maybe Expose is a crappy syndicated TV show, a la Brisco Count Jr. and therefore is on all the time.
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as seen in the episode. But, Sun was probably watching a rerun station.
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A tombstone is not proof of anyone's deamise. Especially when it's got an incorrect date of death on it. This is hardly evidence.
And if we're gonna start quoting fictional characters, I'm going with one from good ol' Ed Rooney: "You just produce a corpse. I want to see this dead Jin firsthand." -
Jin is alive.
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Yeah, the captain seemed to be lying. I had originally thought the crash was staged (pretty easy to find bodies in a war zone), but I'm not sure I think that anymore after last night's ep. He was too pointed when he said "obviously it was staged." Something about that didn't sit right with me.
As for who's the Oceanic 6 or is Jin really dead or not. I can't say I care much about what happens after the island. That's all plot device and has little to do with the main story. All it really does is stretch the story out with artificial surprises. And given how many years have past, I wouldn't be surprised if they resort to some sort of time travel reset to get them back to the island to die in peace (or whatever), making it all pointless anyway. Seriously, does anybody care what Radar's wife name was on After-MASH? -
after the island or after the Oceanic 6 are rescued? I think those are two different times. I think the 6 will return to the island, someway somehow.
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Right, but I suspect that whatever returns them to the island will involve time and may likely wipe out whatever happened in the mainland. Or they will return real-time and then we'll be dealing with the flashbacks of those who stayed on the island. I'm not sure I like either of those prospects though.
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"But one" is a good one.
The thing is, they said we would know who they all were by the end of this episode. Ben can come and go as he pleases to and from the island. It's not him. It's aaron. The argument that he wasn't on the manifest is moronic. He was born before rescue, and was one of the rescued people. He would be counted as one of the 6.
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The show wrapped right before the plane crashed, it may have been in post for up to two months, plus foreign territories get shows months, even years later, as you UK lost fans can attest to.
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So...when will we know for certain?
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Jin is totally alive. What reason would Sun have for going back to island at all? She just had a kid and her husband was killed? NO reason she would ever come back. Her story would basically end there. Keeping Jin alive would give her reason to go back.
Jin is alive. I would put money on it. The whole grave thing was just a way to emotionally deal with the separation (though it could be that she does not know he is alive until later, which would give her a reason to go back). -
Because it'd throw a huge fuckin' twist in the show. You know he wouldn't go by choice, he would have to be forcibly removed, or unconcious at the time. So Locke in the coffin... entirely possible. He dies, Jack now realizes Locke was right and goes to his visitation in some weird symbolic apology.
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Everything in the flash forwards this season is hinged on Jack's Big Lie, the cover story that all of the Oceanic 6 apparently agree on. They've told the world that only 8 people survived the crash, so I would assume that the 2 others, who didn't survive long enough to actually get off the island were corpses that the 6 offered up as proof. I'm just assuming this, but it seems kind of obvious that their story would have to be confirmed with two bodies, Jin is one, probably Claire is the other, since Kate is raising Aaron.
And speaking of Aaron, let me ask you people who think he's one of the oceanic 6: how interesting is his flashback episode going to be? How interesting will his flash forward when he's 2 going to be? He's not one of the goddamned Oceanic 6. This show is built on twists, deflections, and surprises. The writers have a perfect opportunity here to throw a curveball, pull the rug out and deliver a flashback/flashforward episode (possibly season finale) that ties up all the loose strings. I could be Ben, but I really doubt it. My money's on Sawyer. -
I don't think his off-island alias proves Michael is isn't in the coffin. We don't even know that Michael got off the island yet. And has anyone brought up the point that Michael could be one of the 6?
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He can't be an oceanic 6 because his flashforward isn't going to be interesting enough?! Come on. The writers said we'd know by the end of Suns episode who EVERY MEMBER of the oceanic 6 was. If you don't like that Aaron's one of them, fair enough, but it's silly to pretend that it isn't staring you in the face.
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Maybe. "but one" and "the fifth" both work in that quote just fine. I don't have had that much faith in a TV blogist in the first place. Those guys are often wrong even with their great sources of information; I'm sure they take more than their fair share of liberties. More importantly, multiple sources said we'd know all the members by this episode, and the commercials on ABC were *repeatedly* hyping tonight's episode as the reveal the final members of the six.
And all you folks who are inexplicably certain that Jin is alive are fooling yourselves. He was one of my favorite characters too, but you guys are just being silly. There was lots of strong indication that he's dead and absolutely none that he wasn't. I haven't heard a single theory on why he'd be still alive that isn't convoluted and completely unfounded. It's just wishful thinking. -
Aaron being off the island in the care of Kate WAS the twist. A pretty significant one, at that. Kate's flashforwards will almost certainly be intertwined with Aarons from now on, so his story will be told along with hers. They don't need to be 6 separate stories. It's an interesting wrinkle in the narrative to pair the two of them up as they've done.
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It has the balls to kill off its main characters if it serves the story. Unlike, say, Heroes. Where the flashforwards in Lost are showing us what WILL happen to these characters, Heroes ones were just "what might happen" but they never do.
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I'd like to check that out, because I don't believe they wanted to confirm or deny anything until after Ji Yeon aired. They said as much to Ausiello a while back.
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Aaron is not all of the Oceanic Six.Aaron is the boy of the Oceanic Six.Aaron is bay-bee of the Oceanic Six.Aaron is yur mom of the Oceanic Six.Aaron is THE MAN of the Oceanic Six.Aaron is one 6th of the
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how's that for an argument?
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There ya go Napoleon
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Thing with Ausiello is that he likes to fuck with his readers. "Not one" is SO obvious... I'm suspicious.
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I can't seem to find any evidence of them saying it. A quote or something?
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6.5? Really, it's a silly argument considering all the other things going on the show.
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Man this show is starting to get PREDICTABLE! I'm calling this the WEAKEST episode of the season so far - and I TOTALLY get why they felt they needed to change the schedule around - I would be so PISSED if THIS ONE was the last episode for six weeks!!
So Michael's on the boat - we knew that LAST YEAR
Michael is Kevin Johnson - again we KNEW THAT ALREADY
Widmore's boat - called it WAY before it was confirmed
Ben the guy who planted the fake 815 - ok this hasn't been confirmed but it's just SO EASY to PREDICT it's not funny!
We even knew about the Jin FB/Sun FF thing - I think someone even called it on this here TB (youguysgotanymilk?) - maybe not but I knew they were doing that and the whole time I was just thinking HOW FUCKING CHEAP!
Even last week, which was following a really awesome episode and always going to disappoint a lot of people - even that episode produced more interesting discussions than "oh is Aaron one of the O-6 or not?"
Speaking of Aaron, is Kate's story going to make him out to be Darth fucking Vader or is he supposed to have a FATHER?? She saying he was conceived ON or OFF the island? Great! That's ALL I got!
The highlight of the ep for me was GRANT BOWLER not being pissed at losing his crew because that narrows down the list of suspects for WHO IS THE MOLE?
Sure there was some setup - Frank and his errand etc - but I care more about why CLAIRE doesn't get off the island than JIN - sorry but I thought this week was weak.
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Jin, is a killer, like Sayid. Jin would do anything to save his wife and child, and made a deal with Ben to save her. He is one of Ben's killers.
One other thing, the grave is not fresh, look at all the dead leaves on the headstone. No bump in the ground. Hurley was not going to a funeral. He was paying his respects to a "dead" Jin and sticking to the lie. THEY ARE BEING WATCHED! -
An ass as sweet as Claire's should always be pink and plump and alive enough to wiggle around in little circular motions, up and down...
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6.250 it is!
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was coming to visit his new God-daughter perhaps? Hugo the Godfather of baby Ji Yeon. A good choice. The trip to Jin's grave - was for Sun to introduce him to his daughter w/Hugo as support. Jin, in this case, most likely dead or they are good actors.
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Why are people considering whether or not Aaron was on the flight manifest a requirement to be an O6'er?
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"Ben's a pimp. He never could've out-fought Locke. But I didn't know until this day that it was Jacob all along"he he, weird cross over moment
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THAT BASTARD!!
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I saw my torrent jumped from 0 - 51 seeds in a flash. I assume you got your video aok?
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But according to The Lie (it could be the truth but I can't be bothered finding out) 815 crashed on September 22, 2004. Which means that according to the tombstone, Jin died in the crash. So he wasn't one of the 8. We still don't know why The Lie is being told, but wouldn't that add weight to the "Jin's not dead" theory? I mean, Sun only said that she misses him.
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Jin is one of the true nice guys on the island. He started out being a jerk, but he has really turned around to being a great character. Give the guy a break!
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Refresh my memory, but did they say reveal in the Season 3 finale if the person in the coffin was male or female? If not, I'm calling it now. It's Juliet. She's not one of the six and judging from last week, the only one Jack would get that emotional about. Oh, and just to put this whole "Aaron was one of the six" to rest, I don't see how he can be. Simple logic must prevail here in the sense that his name was not on the flight's manifest. But considering the TV announcer has said "we finally know the last of the Oceanic 6" and we all MUST believe everything the TV says, we can stop the bickering by agreeing that it's either Jin who died after the rescue or Aaron, NEITHER of which has any real impact on the big picture. The big picture is that we know nobody else on Oceanic 815 lived or got off the island. Unless, of course, some of them are in hiding ala Ben & my Juliet prediction which I wouldn't put past the writers as I really think they just kinda like to fuck with us. Proof? Watch this episode again..
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Sun had her baby and she lived.
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Are you a mongoloid fucktard cretin? Back away from the computer because the more times you post, like a tardo with OCD, it just reinforces the fact that you probably eat your own shit dummy.
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Sun's baby - Is it Jin's or that guy who looks like Master Killer? Did she say it was Jin's to make Jin feel better, or is that the truth?
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Considering you are a fucking troll asswipe, why don't you do the genepool a favor a execute your namesake's idea. Skywalker has been around - all season, giving it a shot, expressing his thoughts right or wrong in a considerate thoughtful way. Who the fuck are you? Go troll a reality show board (and wait for it...pull the trigger) you fucking cuntdrip douchenozzzle. Piss off.
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Sorry dude - I just can't bring my self to type in your screen name. If she was honest with Juliet...
...mmmmm cans.....
then that ultrasound revealed she was knocked up on the island. So - it is his. Hopefully we see a plot twist and a reunion on the island. I want to see Jin hold his baby girl. God knows he earned some happiness after the crap he had to put up with Sun. Not sure if I could have been so forgiving. -
you guys on the same short bus?
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yourvillainbobby>> I disagree with you on Juliet in the coffin for a few reasons. 1) Jack said that the person was not his friend. 2) Jack is feeling such guilt over the island experience and leaving people behind at that point that he will attend the funeral of anyone connected with his time there. The fact that Michael has an alias and was a guy who probably didn't have any friends left leaves him as my chief suspect now for an unsung funeral.3) Kate derisively responded to the funeral notice asking Jack why she would have gone. It's possible that reaction would apply to Juliet, but it seems more likely that it would apply to Michael. Of course, that would imply that both Jack and Kate would need to know Michael's alias and had tracked him down in the real world, so maybe you're right. 4) Juliet seems destined for death at Ben's hands out of jealousy. That is a death that seems much more likely to occur on the island than in the real world where Jack would not be be on top of it. 5) For that matter, if Jack and Juliet did both make it back, I think they would have been in touch.Folks, Aaron can be one of the Six without being on the manifest. Kate's story will be that she was four or five months pregnant when she was arrested and thus was not showing yet. The authorities did not know she was pregnant. So, technically, Aaron's unborn fetus survived the crash. It breaks down to a semantics argument akin to the abortion debate, but that's what I think the intent is. She absolutely must claim this; otherwise, when the publicity bombardment starts people would ask how that could be her kid when the age is all wrong? A four or five month difference from Claire's pregnancy makes it believable (and explains why Kate would be eager to keep Aaron out of the public eye during the trial).I don't see how whether or not Jin is included in the "8" in the cover story has any bearing on whether or not he is still alive. I don't think he's alive. It would undermine the power and legitimacy of that scene, whether Sun only says she "misses" Jin or not.
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Don't mess with Green and White - especially near St. Patrick's Day! Spartans will win! And I still say Jin is alive. That is all.
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Won't be the last time I am wrong. We have to get some clarification on the whole thing soon. Darlton insisted we would have the O-6. No matter your opinion, it is not clear enough who the 6 are - and it should be according to their assurances (and Yunjin Kim's on the 400 shows she was on last week). So my guess is by Wed we'll have an answer from Darlton.
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still riding it after my PhD. Go fuck yourself. You don't exist. Troll away. Won't waste my time with you.
BigE - if they play like they did against the Wolverats, you could be right. We really put it to MSU a week or so ago and it's tough to win 2 straight against the same team in the Big10. We shall see. I am NOT looking forward to it - we win the Big10 then get you guys in the 2nd draw? Fucked up. MSU is the next best team. Indiana has got NOTHING. You beat us - you got the tourney. -
What time is our game tomorrow?
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but the game is scheduled for 12:30, at least here in Wisconsin with out Central Time and all.
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"our," not "out."
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I agree with your logic about Aaron. In fact everyone has made solid points. I would be inclined to agree with the Aaron angle - if the showrunners had not dropped all the info that Aaron Cannot be one and that in Ep7, you find out who the final TWO o-6ers are. If Aaron was already one, then we would have been looking for only ONE more O-6er in this Ep 7. Make sense? Really? I give up. Someone in charge of the show just needs to freakin tell me by God!
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My friend...Where are you? Is the state of emergency about Bretts retirement over? Martial Law ended? Grew up outside of Milwaukee and went to Madison (as you may have gathered by now). Badger fan?
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Kate's story will not be that Aaron was conceived on the island. It has to be before. Otherwise, Sun's baby would make it Oceanic "7," wouldn't she?Hold on. I just had a long discussion about this. Now I'm really confused. Maybe Kate will claim that she was about the same months pregnant as Claire. But wouldn't the Aussie farmer testify otherwise? Jeez, I just don't know.
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I missed the quote that two O-6ers would be revealed in this episode. I only heard the "last" in the teaser, a word that can refer to either one or two the way they stated it. The quotes I read are that they were intentionally preserving the ambiguity of Aaron's status as an O-6er.
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I'm currently in Mequon, just north of Milwaukee, if you remember where that is. There is no Brett "emergency," per say. Everyone is in full retail mode, with constant Sports Illustrated special editions and sold out Journal Sentinels. I love the Badgers, but I didn't go to Madison.
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I came here to think about Lost, but I have to say that the Badgers holding Michigan to 10 of 50 shooting was pretty damn cool.
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I grew up in Germantown - of course I remember where you are. I used to try to find Paul Molitor's house when I was a kid - he was big news back in the 80s with the Brewers.
Well hell man, I paid enough tuition for the both of us! Go Bucky! I need your help against BigE and Node tomorrow. They will be well disciplined, focused, and brutal. And maybe a little drunk. Put the game on, I also flip on Yahoo sports to hear Matt LePay do the radio broadcast. And ...remember...Erin Andrews is FUCKING MINE!!! -
I grew up all around the state, mostly the south-eastern part; just got my undergraduate degree at UW-Eau Claire, which is decidedly cheaper than Madison. I remember when Ray Allen lived here in Mequon. Apparently he used to frequent the bookstore I work at, but apparently none of the current Milwaukee Bucks read now. I do see Tom Crean from Marquette occasionally. Either way, I have to work during the game, so I hope they win. Otherwise no more quality Wisconsin basketball for me for god knows how long.
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Watch it on ESPN360. Bring an AM radio....we must have your support, my friend. I cannot hold off BigE and Node by myself.
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Ben and Juliet told the truth! Sun didn't die off the island when she delivered her baby.
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Where is your buddy? I know you can handle yourself my man. But some of us spend too much time on these TBs together to not have each other's backs. You didn't deserve that. Plus - I have been dying to use Douchenozzle in a real life flaming. Felt like firing my first gun. ;>D
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I've been watching Lost since day one, and man, it still makes me go WTF!
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You know, I can't wait for the season to end so that everyone who is guessing right can flaunt their "I told you sos" and everyone who is guessing wrong can post their "fuck you"s. And by the way, you're all guessing, so you can all shut up. Even if you're guessing right, you're guessing.
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and the gang says that this season will end on even a more mind fuck than Season 3 did.
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with your post. Some little man that feels like "big man" by calling someone stupid across the aether where his anonymity keeps him physically safe. See - if he does this in his own, real pathetic life, he will be beat down like the little punk he is. SO he stays safely behind the PC, trolling and finding people to call names and feel clever.
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necgray - that is so true. Even when we think we have been given solid info from the showrunners, they seem to leave themselves subtle back doors to mind fuck us with. So until it airs...and hell even after and we get questions about the eps answered...no one really knows. AND I LOVE IT. They didn't have to work so hard at misdirection before the internet. Now - it is a skill these writers need to include on their resumes
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During the first year of Lost, I got back from Locke, Kate, Michael, Walt, Hurley and Sawyer. They all signed my stuff I sent. In season 2, I got Desmond, and Dr. Marvin Candle.
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we have a great group of about 25-40 solid, regular posters on our LOST TBs. What the hell do we do in the hiatus? Will many of our group (hopefully) move over to the BSG TBs since that is about to crank up? Damn - for 8 solid weeks this has become a community and I'd hate to see it close shop. Any suggestions?
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Hi, I'm eddy the internet sheriff that isn't bright enough to realize that he does the same things he accusses others of right tough guy? I'm widdle Eddy the Lost hard guy protecting the retarded in all of my 125 pound glory. What a sissy geek! Thanks for the laugh princess now I'm off to assfuck your mom! toodles hero.
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and keep it going like 4we said, same as the im sick of liying talkback. Team Jack!
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As for some of you who are trying to figure out the other 2 who
by brighteyes
I've seen many people still going into theorys about who the two that jack said died on the island and trying to figure out some huge complex mystery of who the other two people are._________________________DAMON: Well, that is part of the fiction as concocted by the Oceanic 6. Many, many things that Jack said on the stand at Kate's trial were untrue, although he was under oath, like the Marshall dying in the crash for example. We want to be very clear on the idea that there were only ever the Oceanic 6. The identity of those other two people are not as important as people are making them out to be, it just makes it feel like a more believable fiction.
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Does the name "trollkiller" imply that you are a troll, or that you kill trolls? I'm confused.
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its not part of the lie, 815 did crash on the island on sept 22 2004
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Ahhhh, good times. Good times.
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dont know who said it earlier but i too noticed how prominent juliettes rack was in every scene she was in....u could almost imagine that every time she was tellin sun not to leave she was actually saying "touch my tits bitch"
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I think the flash forwards have done a good job of provoking members of the O6 to want to get back to the island. Already we have seen Jack and Hurley convinced. Jin being alive would provide a reason for Sun as well. As for Kate...
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Yes, Sayid is one of the Oceanic Six. He said so on the golf course in the episode called 'The Economist'.
The guy he eventually killed asked him what he did for a living. He replied that he "did nothing".
"I was the recipient of a large settlement." - Sayid
"What, corporate merger?" - Mr. Avellino
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That is a good point, but I still think he's dead. And I am sure that Sun thinks he's dead, otherwise she would have no real reason to dress in black and go visit his grave. Just my opinion, though.
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Gang, we have the Oceanic Six.
If you watch the preview for this episode it says that the last of the Oceanic Six will be revealed. That is Sun.
Jin doesn't make it off the island. Just look at the date on the tombstone as others here have said. It is September 22, 2004, the date of the plane crash.
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i really hope ur joking....how are the flashfowards a plot device ? the flashfowards are clues to the main story as much as the flashBACKS are. unless u think the flashbacks are a plot device too....meaning that u dont like either equally.
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Found another one: they show Michael aka Kevin Johnson the same way they show Lando in Jedi. After Regina jumps, you can see Michael looking into the water with a hood on. Lando does the same in Jabba's Palace after Luke falls into the dreaded Rancor Pit.
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Boxrman - that brought tears to my eyes. I get the same way with Claire - I see her bent over butt naked, looking back over her shoulder at me and saying ANYTHING in that cute little accent of hers (except, qwayat, you'll wayke the bay bee). Mmm...Claire
We really ought to name juliet's tits like they name stations (Swan, Orchid, Hydra, Tempest, etc...). I'm drawing a blank right now. Any suggestions?
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That's what's great about this show is that we can all have such different opinions. My thought on the grave visit is that it is probably the closest thing Sun has off the island to "visit Jin" and for all she knows back on the island Jin could be dead. I think the point is that he obviously must have sacrificed himself in some way so that she and the baby could get off the island safely. That may just have been that there was only room for one more person to leave and he insisted that she go without him. That also increases Sun's guilt and her grief that Jin is not with her and Ji Yeon. As for the black dress and such, I think that is just respectful garb when visiting a grave site, and who knows...maybe they are conscious of being watched. Your name kicks ass by the way.
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That is the most puzzling thing I can't WAIT to see answered next week.
Now...we never saw Ben giving Michael any "instructions" when he gave him the 305 coordinate. Will this episode begin with a FB...Ben giving Mike his instructions PRIOR to stepping foot on the Pala Ferry dock in front of the kneeling and blindfolded Jack, Kate & Sawyer? Or...will Michael reach into his pants pocket and find a note scrawlled with Ben's instructions to wreak havoc on the Widmore boat as Kevin Johnson? Even so...where's Walter?
Speaking of Walt...follow me into SPOILER LAND...if you dare...
SPOILER LAND, SPOILER LAND, SPOILER LAND, SPOILER LAND, SPOILER LAND...
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Here's this nugget from Kristin @ E!
Walt does appear in episode eight, but 100-percent-trustworthy sources tell me that during his blink-of-an-eye appearance, "He is exactly the size that a nine-year-old should be." Source: Kristin on E!
So...Walt gets a cameo...probably shot the same week they shot the Pala Ferry scene 2 years ago. I guarantee you, it's Michael waking up, only to see his son being removed from his clutches, yet again, by the Others. We'll get the obligatory "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllt!"....and the obligatory "Daaaaaaad!" and that will be the end of Walt for the episode. I have to imagine this happens on the tiny boat they rode off on when they left the island.
...I think THAT'S when Mike receives his "instructions"...We are keeping Walt...if you do not do as we say, you will never see him alive again. Again, Mike will have no choice but to "play ball".
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END SPOILERS, END SPOILERS, END SPOILERS, END SPOILERS, END SPOILERS...
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So, I'm thinkin there was not enough time passed on the island for Mike & Walt to have gotten OFF & AWAY from the island...rescued...given a new identity and returned to civilization back in the states...only to be "hand picked" to play janitor on the Widmore Freighter, simply to sabotage their plot to get Ben off the island...or kill him...I mean...how many days passed since Mike and Walt sailed off to oblivion? It feels like forever...but it's only really been a few weeks in "island time". Even if you factor in the time shift the island has in comparison to the outside world...Has it really been long enough for him to get re-established in the states...only to be taken right back to a boat 80 miles off the island? Plus...Abbadon "hand picked" all these folks on the freighter for this mission...how did Mike get selected?
I dunno...I'm thinkin Mike hasn't made it "home" yet...that he was intercepted and given this janitor/saboteur mission before he ever got stateside...and is being forced to do Ben's bidding because the bastards have his son...AGAIN!
I think Mike will comply, fully believing that after THIS mission...he and Walt will be allowed to return to the states...but only HE will be allowed to leave...and will be forced to return home alone.
I think this factor leads him to Hoffs-Drawler in the future. Ben will NEVER let Walt leave Craphole island.
There are so many variables to how this will play out...but here's what I think happens...The episode starts with Mike navigating the small boat in the "thunderhead"...the violent storm causes him to veer a tad off the 305 coordinate...Walt is somehow affected by this course correction below deck. Michael is tossed hard to the deck and is knocked out cold. When he awakes, Others have boarded the boat in sunny weather....and Walt is nowhere to be found. Sound feasible?
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You are funny, guy. Laughriot. 99% of my posts are lighthearted - look around. Congrats to you - you are the first one to really piss me off. That takes alot. SO - kudos to you and you're right, namecalling is NOT my thing. So scan up the TB you never read, and find my email addy. Drop me a note and I'll tell you where you can find me daily. My gym has a nice sparring set up. I'd love a "friendly" session with you in all of my 120lb glory. Shit - you shoulda went the other way cause I'm a bit overweight right now.
The difference between you and I - I'm ready to back up anything I say. So you are right - no more name calling. Let's see if we can do this face to face.
And please be easy on mom. She is 71 and shits on herself - so be careful with that assfucking! I'm sure you have many women of that caliber lined up, so best to leave my poor mom out of this, don't ya think? -
As long as we have the link , the TB is open. I remember that from last off-season. I guess I was referring more to keeping it alive as a posted link on the aicn site over on the right. But fuck it - you are right. As long as we have the link and post we keep it alive and also don't have to worry about trolls boping in off the street. Very nice. Why didn't Room 23 continue? It was in the CHAT section of this site, right? Was it just easier to post here? That I'm sick...Of lying! Chat kept my sanity during the off season.
Rbrog - are you up to the episode assignments during our hiatus? You thinking of a rewatch of season 4 to lead into ep 9? Or haven't you thought about it yet. I have all season 4 eps set up as torrents for download if anyone wants them I can re-seed...just let me know if you need them.
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Despite what I've found out - the way you are putting it together is starting to convince me. Whenspoiler guy and Mike meet in NY, Mike (Kevin?) is REALLY pissed. He is giving him the news about Walt I'd bet. So he is having a flashforward, a "ghost"spoiler guy is telling him he still has work to do if he wants Walt safe...which makes him realize there is no hope or beig anything but Ben's pawn forever.
I like all oof it but the fact spoiler guy is dead, so his ghostwould haveto appear if it is a FF. I'm, still hung up on that. But you are doing a GREAT job, my friend. I was CNVINCED before you last post. Now I am doubtful. -
Xiphos, Super NC...Thanks.
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Do we have any Desmondites here who have flashed their psyches forward to watch next weeks episode yet? They say some one dies. Well, who?Jin? We saw his grave.Claire? Kate has her bay-bee.Adam & Eve? Jacob? Joanna? Because we know they're dead (skeletons, a ghost, drowned) but
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He wasn't really a vision. Locke actually saw him
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Remember (I've posted this before), Matthew Fox has said the time from crash to rescue is acout four months. His bearded addict condition id roughly 18 months after the crash (14 months after rescue). So Jack goes down hill fast. This timeline will be REALLY important later - I'm certain of it. Unless it's more misdirection (Christ - not sure what to believe anymore...and Darlton LOVES it)
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[how odd]...but we never actually saw they die.Michael/Kevin? Because at this point he's just a loose end. Steve of Scott? Because the one must be despondent without the other.The only guy on the island who wears glasses, because he hasn't been seen since being named in one or two episodes during the first season.Ben? When Locke, Sawyer and jack all hit him at the same time.Desmond? because, seriously, I get that a lot of you seem to love the Scot, but he isn;t an Oceanic, he wasn;t even a first season cast member, and his whole raison D'etre was to live under a hatch that's been blown up in a station that's been destroyed and push a button that no longer exists. How did he become the star of the show?Miles? Head go boom.Kate's mom. Have you noticed how the older Paris Hilton gets the more she looks like Aunt Zelda?Juliet? Can the positive chi of her fabled cans match the distilled hate of lost fans who favor Sun's adultery and think Juliet should have just let Sun run off and die and her baby with her?
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Thats a big ass spoiler you are looking for. I thought I knew - but after the pod cast and hearing Harrold P's excitement over getting back to LOST and resuming filming in Hawaii... I think Michael is in the coffin, but this will not happen untilreal time catches up to the flash forward of TTLG.
There is person who is in a play. Because of the writer's strike, the cast went on to different things, but because he was under contract with LOST, I don't think you would ALSO sign on with a play knowing you could be dragged away - nor would the play want you if you were under contract to a show that could return filming.
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The Eli Stone guys should just get the Lost producers to threaten prominent characters until people like it. "Watch Eli Stone or Kate dies!" Come to think of it, more shows should do that. NBC's new Heroes promo: "Watch Heroes Season 3 or we'll kill Pam from The Office!!!"
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(Nothing personal - that was a catch phrase from the Mad "Draggednet" parody.)If the preview for the next episode says "someone will die" I don;t think it's fishing for SPOILERS to wonder who it will be - even if by listing everyone it could possibly be, one of them will likely be right.My serious question was the one about Des, though. I get that he's scruffy and charming and has that cool accent going. And I suppose his couple of self contained "unstuck in time" episodes pleased the sci-fi geek fans. And frankly I was never that crazy about Jack and Kate as the shows "leads' anyway. But I still don;t quite get how a secondary character introduced in the secnd season and only infrequently featured since gets all the fan lovin'.I don;t really perceive a qualitative difference between his psychic pseudo time-travel Twilight Zone episode and Nikki and Pauko's "they were there all along doing their own things" Tales From The Crypt episode. I'm really not trying to be trollish, funny or confrontational here, I just don't get what's so great about Desmond.Oh, and for a serious reason why he's in the Dead Pool - he had that nose bleed thing that kills people.Ed, thanx for the non-spoiler speculation. What you say really seems to make logical sense and if I was enough of a fan to read every single article that appears and I knew who you were talking about, that probably would be quite a revelation.
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will give him shelter as a survivor of the flight who doesn't want to be known he's left the island. It'll all connect somehow. Or yes, Jin's flashback was completely pointless except as a forced 'gotcha!' which, I've got to say, is shit we ain't got time for at this junction of events.
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When I pulled the screen up, his post was front and center. Being the big "Angel" fan I claim to be, I cannot believe I did not see this:
Raymar: And a Wolfram & Hart reunion with Bernard and Jin
Congrats - great catch Raymar. Here I thought I was clever remembering Crusade.
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Today's the day, gentlemen.
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how many more episode this season will get?
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Man this is a disturbing video
http://tinyurl.com/2v6j8d
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i meant episodeS!
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I'll just go on the assumption your a hard working brain surgeon devoting 70 hours a week to patient care and don't have much free time. eps 8 - 13 remain.
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Can you put up the link for that MD Kelly video in English please?
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all self-rightous and rips that for being insensitive...
That is a classic line from a classic comedy -Airplane. It is sad I have to quailfy that. June Cleaver still pwns that movie. -
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If MSU is the better team today...
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This whole show can be summed up in two words --- "The Matrix". When the plane "crashed", everyone was plugged in to a common alternate reality machine. This explains why Ben can just have people suddenly appear out of everywhere (eg. The Other Woman ep.) and also he knows everything about everyone. It also tells you why time perception is different in the island. As they get plugged in this alternate reality, a lot of unexplainable things happen but all of their minds get to interact with each other. Some find redemption, some do not. Those people in the list probably had the least amount of injuries, thus Ben tried to save them.
Some of them, like Locke and Bernard's wife, are free of their debilitations since they where not programmed in. But in reality, most of the people were all so badly injured that putting them in "this program" sustains their mental well being. All of them where allowed to live in this alternate reality until their actual bodies are not able to sustain life anymore. Thus, when their bodies die, their presence in the Island also dies. Jin "died" when the plane crashed, hence the date on his tombstone is the same date as the crash. The Oceanic 6 got "rescued" when they came out from "the matrix". They were the only physical survivors.
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near true red pill, ill send you a cupie doll in the mail...but its not, because the matrix sucks a bag of dicks, and lost dosent...oh, whats that, you want to know the mystery in the matrix movies? well sense youve bought your ticket to our 3rd thrown together movie and we can no longer suck you dry, the ending is-the robots and the people live happilly ever after and have cave dancing parties with their nipples showing. matrix and lost have nothing to do with one another.
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jin dies on the island next ep and we will see the o-6 leaving the island with jins body and one other body in tow...thats a decent cliffhanger till the new eps start.
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Thanks in advance for the doll, it will be sweet!
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Yeah, I got it. Thanks a lot! My internet was only going about 10 kb a second so it took a while. Haven't watched it yet but I'm hoping it's not corrupted or a virus or anything :) Thoughts on the next episode. I think in the next episode the shit is going to hit the fan. Farraday and Charlotte are going to reveal their true colors, whatever that may be, and the losties are going to be presented with some kind of internal challenge that will ultimately result with them fighting to get off the island.
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1) As you mentioned previously, his accent and time traveling abilities. You know it's cool. 2) He tried to save Charlie a bunch of times. 3) His reaction to Charlie's death made my sister fall in love with him. It was poetic. 4) He has acted his off, see "The Constant". 5) He is a very human character. He is scared of Penny in a way because of how much he loves her. But now will do nearly anything to be with her. 6) The poor guy had to stay in that hatch for like a year. 7) His connection to the losties i.e. Jack in the stadium and Locke with the hatch light. 8) He is an asskicker.
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Really what you should be concerned about is if Wales can beat France and clinch the grand slam. Rugby is a real mans game.
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Yes - it is insanely manly. Played it as a club sport in College. And I am NOT that manly. I did not fancy all the pain - but we played with a keg on the sidelines, so there you have it. Plus - chicks dig bruises. But you MUST keep your teeth.
Node/Big E = Alums Michigan State Spartans. Edshrinker = Alum Wisconsin Badgers. Big Ten Conference. Basketball is our way of passing the time until (American) Football. Because Big 10 football IS manly. More manly than (look at out team speed horseshit)that is Pac 10 or SCC Football.
Desmondo - America is obsessed with March Madness, (ie college basketball NCAA championship) because it means two things...Brackets and betting. I am sure you know about the field of 64 and bracketology...no? If not, it will be explained.
In short, everyone in your office fills out a bracket of the teams they think will win the NCAA basketball championship 64 teams - Final 4 - to winner.
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I think Andy & Larry Wachowski would be the first to put a hit out on Damon, Carlton and JJ...should LOST go that route, redpill. Although...if Claire & Juliette were forced to share a naked embryonic pod, I'd be down with that.
Actually...LOST has paid homage to a "glitch" in the matrix, twice, recently...with Faraday's observation that the light 'scatters' differently on the island...and of course, the time difference on the clock rocket was quite a 'glitch'.
LOST has even paid homage to the story that "Matrix" paid homage to...Alice in Wonderland. But, when you get right down to it...LOST pays homage to all 'strangers in a strange land' flicks/stories....but better than most, IMO.
Other movies LOST tips it's hat to? (In no particular order)
Apocolypse Now (Ben/Locke = Col. Kurtz)
Star Wars (Jack, Sawyer = Luke, Han, Ben = Vadar trying to recruit to the dark side, Jacob = Palpatine? Jack, Claire = Luke, Leia, etc.)
Wizard of Oz (Where do I start?)
Identity (All these random strangers have something in common)
Philadelphia Experiment (Time travel anyone?)
The Stand (Darlton Loves King!)
Watership Down (This rabbit didn't have a number on it, did it?)
A Turn of the Screw (A dramatization of the book was filmed in 1957, under the title "The Others"!)
Lord of the Flies (Goodwin insists this Ana Lucia would fit in nicely into 'our society', but I don't see it.)
Redpill...there are countless other movies I'd rather see LOST rip the fuck off if they are indeed THAT desperate for an ending. However...as "The Matrix" showed in vivid detail, sometimes a story that has an unbelievably AWESOME beginning...sometimes collapses under the weight of that beginning...and the ending never quite lives up to all that awesomeness.
I pray to God everyday that Darlton has learned from the Wachowski Brother's mistakes.
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I promise...I'm not smart enough to upload a virus with my LOST episode. Hope you are not discouraged by this TB...it was a great ep. The Constant just set the bar so damn high...
If I was a gay for a day, I would profess my man love for Desmond as well. The accent is too much. I assume by the flashes, the long hair is indeed a prop. He must continue to wear it. For that day. That I am gay. If I CHOSE to be gay. For that day. 24 hours only. And no oral sex. Or hairy ass shots. All the days, not just for that day. I'm gay.
Rugby is SO FUCKIN MANLY! And I played it. (clears throat)
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Think about it. If Jin's tombstone said that he died on the day of the plane crash, then that would mean they conceived the child before the crash, right? So that would make their child one of the survivors of the Oceanic flight as well. How would Aaron surviving inside of Claire be counted any different from Sun/Jins child surviving inside of her during the crash. If, by your guy's accounts, that is the case then the total would be 7. Aaron is not one of the survivors.
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You mentioned Des's hair...I read the TV Guide interview with Darlton, where the cast of LOST provided some of the questions, Josh Holloway asked, "I need a damn hair cut!...and since Sawyer is hangin out with Hurley right now...would it be so bad if Hugo gave him a hair cut?" I think that would be adorably gay!
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Enjoy he FUCKING game.
No offense Tarheel fans, but UW MSU was SUPPOED to be on CBS. UNC on ESPN. But for some goddamn reason, local CBS insists on showing the Tarholes while blacking out ESPN. It makes no sense. Big 10 on CBS, ACC on ESPN. But they pull this shit. I wanna puke.
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"Simply put. No."
No shit they really didn't, but the tombstone stated that Jin died on that plane crash. How the shit else would you explain a very pregnant Sun arriving home? She had to have let people know that Her and Jin conceived prior to his "death" on Spet.24, 2004. The day the plane crashed. Unless, you're insinuating that she is telling people she boned his mangled, dead, and lifeless body? -
Does this mean that flash forwards are real and that they do come true no matter what we see in real time/present time on the island? I hope they are just what if's since we don't know what all the secrets are yet. I rather see flashbacks.
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Look - man, I'm on yor side here. I don't belive Aaron isan O-6e either. But you posed your statement in factual terms, not what Sun what have "told" people when she got home. Baby WAS concieved on Island, and she kept it private. Refused to respond to the press so they didn't know when the kid was created. I think you logic is right on - but look how you phrased your question.
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I've been reading and following your posts, but fuck, that was stupid. And I've seen Airplane.
Desmondo- That's how some people talk. It's not 'hip hop' talk, that's just how some people talk. Their moms talk that way, their teachers talk that way, the way you probably talk might sound funny to some people. Guys, try meeting people that don't look exactly like you. Christ. -
Darlton promised "no alternate timelines" so all we see has weight. I'd have to say the FF are set...we are seeing Flashes of the future. But only pieces of that future. We see Jin's tombstone in the future but we are not CERTAIN he is dead yet. More to be revealed.
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I agree with what TerryMalloy says about reasons for Desmond's awesomeness. And I also understand the sentiment that Desmond came late to the game and his episodes could be viewed as cool stand-alones. But I'll also say that Desmond is not expendable at this time in my opinion because he is so intrinsically linked to the story of the Widmores on the outside world. If they kill off Desmond, what happens when the Widmores finally figure into the story with the main cast? Will it just be a case of Jack and the gang talking about Desmond secondhand? It just wouldn't make sense from a narrative standpoint, and this is reinforced by the reason that some are claiming Desmond isn't that important - he wasn't there in season one, so he's not as tied to the main characters. Therefore, his story must remain independent and active.Speaking of Desmond, did anyone else get the vibe this week that Desmond and Sayid should have their own spinoff show where they solve mysteries?So Sun must get off the island in the next few weeks to survive, and someone said above that Jack put the island time at four months. If that's the case, how are they going to convincingly sell the story that Aaron is Kate's baby? He's too old.Regarding motivation for a return to the island, I'm of the opinion that finding out Claire is his sister is what pushes Jack over the edge, and she could have been one of the ones left behind alive. Hurley just has general survivor's guilt because he's such a nice guy and wants to save everyone, ancillary or not. Sun? The promise of Jin's being alive would sell her; it would just undermine the power of this episode in my opinion. Kate? Either it's Sawyer or Jack successfully appeals to her nobility. We've got to kill some characters off, though, don't we? Otherwise it's not a very dangerous island. Such is my speculation.
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I guess that the logic would be that Sun was in the first trimester, so her baby does not count. Kate would have to have been in the second trimester, so her baby does count. Take it up with Roe v. Wade and the partial-birth abortion debate, I suppose.
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If you've followed a couple of my posts, you know I have a sense of humor. If you've seen Airplane, you get the joke. I'm sorry you were offended. On second thought, no I'm not. Please don't take life so seriously my friend, I rip on myself continuously - self-depreciating humor...because laughter is good, especially laughter at one's self. Please lighten up. Or you will be 35 with ulcers.
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Sun obviously lied about the conception date. But who would know that information and might be willing to keep the information confidential per his professional ethics? Her doctor. Who mysteriously did not show up to her delivery? That same doctor. Originally, I thought it was going to be the bad guys making a scheme to kidnap the baby or to observe the birth to learn something about a baby conceived on the island (and that might still be the case), but it could also be that they were tying up the loose end of the doctor.
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I don't get back something like - "well shame at laughing at someone else's expense" ...my ratio of teasing others to ripping on myself is about 1 to 5. I think that is fair.
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I read an interview with Matthew Fox - he said it's about 18 months from crash to Jack in TTLG. Wasn't Aaron about 1 and change in Kate's FF? Which means he goes downhill shortly after Kate's plea. Yeah - he seemed a little older. Rescue time at 4 months (est.). Jack said a couple eps back it is at 100 days since the crash.
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"tying up the loose end of the doctor"
I like that. Sayid has been busy.
Sayid and Des in a spinoff. I like that even more. I'm tuning in. Sayid is the muscle and acts on Des' flashes of the future. Oh wait, they did that in Angel, didn't they? I'd still watch. -
POSSIBLE MOVIE SPOILER: Its not just movies that Lost "rips off". There is alot of things that go into this series. For instance: books. One book in particular, The Watchmen. After reading it again, Ive noticed a few similarities. You've got one of your heroes having an accident in a testing hatch, only to emerge having super powers. One of the powers in particular is the ability to see in to the future(Doc Manhatten/Desmond). Another thing that caught my attention was Adrian Veidt aka Ozymandias. Ozymandias killed over 2 million people to stop the threat of a nuclear war. By killing those people he saved the rest of the world. I started thinking about all the people who were manipulated into exececuting Veidts plan. And also got to thinking about what Ben does every week on Lost. So maybe Ben is so diabolically evil, he's a good guy? Or am I thinking too much about it?
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It's nice to have some intelligent banter going on. You obviously know movies. I sincerely hope they don't go this "Matrix" route because it would definitely be a downer. I absolutely love Lost and all its fans deserve better. I'm keeping my fingers crossed... but how else would you explain food and supplies parachuting out of the sky?
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but it's difficult to enjoy your sense of humor when you sound like a racist jackass. Just because you "rip on yourself" doesn't give you license to call the way black people talk "jive talk". It's just fucking lame. You can be a big man and admit that, right? If your friendly banter with another talkbacker potentially alienates an entire race of people, it's not just me you have to worry about offending.
It's not the end of the world, and I don't think you really are a racist, it just seems careless, thoughtless and dumb when people say that shit. What century are we living in, again? How hard is it not to say stupid shit like that? please and thank you. -
Why did I just know you'd be chiming in? It's Ohio STATE and I agree - they suck. Look at Wisconsin's record in Bowl games against SCC and Pac 10. Not to mention our conference record since '93 I can't help it, Xiphos, it's a disease. When you as much as I do in student loans to a particular University, it's like automatic to start frothing at the mouth, big boy, rabid fan, talk. Anything to keep distracting myself from
1. MSU is beating us right now
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I owe most of my salary and 1st born for those stupid letters after my name.
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should be forced to jump off a boat, strapped with something heavy.
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and you guys are postin yer asses off! Dazzler...the flash forwards are every bit as real as the flashBACKS....which Darlton had to confirm were "real" back in Season 1.
Darth...I could TOTALLY see a spinoff: "Sayid & Des"...where they ride around in a red Ford Torino with a white 'swoosh' solving crimes...with the help of a charming, cloudy (and ellusive) pimp "Smokey Bear". And Des is jealous that Sayid always gets to drive.
And good spot on Sun's Doc not being there for the delivery...HE knows the D.O.C. for sure...and would be a rather annoying "loose end" for those keeping the island a secret.
As for Desmond's "importance" on the show...Darlton has said that he & Penny's romance plays a HUGE part in the overall LOST mythology. He's tied directly to Chuck Widmore...He's also the only one to have flashback/forwards that differed greatly from the normal formula. Even though he was a late comer...I wouldn't count him out as a key player in the end result.
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"friendly banter with another talkbacker potentially alienates an entire race of people, it's not just me you have to worry about offending. "
Please God tell me you are kidding. I'm not going to bother explaining the scene in Airplane. THAT must have really ruffled your feathers with the outfits and dialogue. I am CERTAIN that joke did not put civil rights back one second. I can live with myself Sam. You are right - I am not racist. And in todays world, we can laugh at stereotypes so we can tak their power away. You don't think African Americans are able to handle some pokes at stereotypes? Have you ever watched Chappelle? An I offended whe jokes fly about Jam shorts and mullets from the 80s? Give THAT ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE some credit. Shit like you just said is what sets back culture 20 years. -
lets get on point with this talkback
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Would be a badass show. Of course, what would be more badass is if they teamed up on 24 to kill Jack Bauer...
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The Dharma Food Drops...good question. Well...if you've followed my posts from way back. I have a theory that Desmond did not spend 3 years trapped in the Swan hatch "by accident"...that he was purposely imprisioned there, after his stint in the military brig failed to keep him away from Penelope. I think Charles Widmore lured him into entering his sailboat race, GAVE him a sailboat to use (via Libby), hired a mercenary in Kelvin to teach him the importance of pushing the button & "saving the world" so he would be afraid to leave the confines of the Swan prison...thus keeping him far, far away from Penny. The food drops were provided by none other than Charles Widmore...to keep the Dharma illusion alive in Desmond's head.
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Man, I really did't want to get into it, but here we go:
1: The scene in Airplane is no excuse. That movie was made what, 30 years ago? besides, it was funny, your line wasn't. That scene was funny because it illustrated the wide cultural difference between urban black culture and elderly white ladies, (represented by the prototypical white lady). Your line was a reference to a young black actor doing an interview, -not the same thing-. The Airplane joke was a clever, and yes, hilarious piece of self-aware social commentary. Yours was at the expense of the way some people talk. your comment had about as much self awareness or social relevance as a drive-by bird-flipping. It's all about context.
Second- Who, exactly, put you in charge of taking away the power of stereotypes through laughter? Unless your online persona is already about this, clearly stated and obvious to all (which it apparently it isn't, as far as I can tell it has more to do with sports) I'm justified in calling you out for a comment that sticks out like a sore thumb. you're right, there is a powerful tactic used by all sorts of people to diffuse the hate in certain speech by reclaiming words, but you do understand, that there are a few basic requirements? Somehow I doubt you meet them. Your online persona certainly doesn't. Again, it's about context.
Your Chappelle argument is as weak. Basically, Ed, your comment was the cheapest of cheap shots, I called you out for it, and now you're pissed. In order for a joke to be funny, especially if it's at the expense of someone, that someone has to be in on it. Desmondo's comment of being annoyed at the 'hip hop' talk, and your agreement, with the added "I don't speak jive" had all the cultural sensitivity and social awareness of a college frat party, which isn't so far from the truth, probably.
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We need stinkin Badgers? Awesome game, guys! Nice comeback. Guess that's why they call it March Madness.
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You will have the women lynching (oh, shit, better not use that word) stalking angrily in front of Darlton Inc if they write that in. If it was preplanned, they better write it out. That love story is driving the show for some.
It sure as hell makes sense, though. For my girlfriend's sake, I hope you are wrong.
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You win. I've been shamed. You seem like a good guy. Let's get back to Lost. Don't be pissy, it was an adolescent, throw away line, a joke, and one you don't find funny. Some day, maybe I'll get smacked in the mouth and I'll say, "that Sam, he was on to something, maybe I could have saved a tooth and not said that". I'm 39. I've been a psychologist for 15 years and a professor for 9. I worked in inner city Milwaukee (ok - not exactly Compton, but it is ethnically diverse). That punch has not happened yet. I'll think about your statement Sam, you have my word. I do like my teeth.
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we went over 1000 posts without it all being about Lost. That is my fault and I apologize to the TBers here.
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Thanks man. After Node and BigE come back after throwing things, we can wrap the March Madness for the day (as far as our teams go). I wish I could have seen it. Thank you Yahoo sports and the $8 I spent for the football games in September.
Is the Des theory all yours, or are you building off something? That is something I never considered. How do you work in the Constant and how Widdy was nearly civil to him - and gave him the address? Does he know Des is on his way "out", so there are no worries? -
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The writers of Lost are just making this shit up as they go along.
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you heard it here first.
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I kinda just meant he talks like he is about 10 years older than he actually is, and obviously thinks he is super cool. Just reminded me a bit too much of those kids on Super Sweet 16 or whatever.
But yeah sorry for offending, I wholly agree that could be insensitive. I fully agree that I have little social awareness - I live in St. Andrews, Scotland, possibly the least racially diverse place on the planet. Not that its an excuse but hey. Apologies to all.
So the real question to discuss is how/if Walt will come back- I had always assumed they would explain his tall/broken voice because the flashforwards are set like 2007/2008, and so we would see him 3 years on. However the flashfowards all still seem to be in 2004, correct? What actually does confuse is why in "through the looking glass", they tried to disguise his now deep voice, and yet Locke references him being taller? -
Can't be done, Pops. Unless you count the writer's strike.
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I thought they were going for the Walt is special route. Michael went home and is now NOT with his son. Yet Mr. Kelly said he is back filming and Darlton said they have "always" had a plan for his growth spurt. So while Richard doesn't age, is Walt now aging faster? Or now just an apparation from the future (I hate that idea).
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Am I weird to think Amy Poehler is really cute?
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Just kidding.
I've tried to figure out the Walt conundrum as well, apparently its been addressed in interviews, but I don't really follow that stuff all that closely.
Walt is definitely coming back, he may even be in the next episode, but whether they shot those scenes a couple of years ago, which would take incredible foresight, or he's going to be the same age, or close to it, that he appeared in that interview.
What I've always wondered is- which came first, the acceptance that Walt's age will be an issue, so comments like Locke's "He looked taller" are thrown in to muddy the waters, -OR- the time-dispersal field or whatever becomes more of a plot point to explain this. Obviously, the time-freak aspect has always been there, but is Walt's age a factor that was anticipated, or is the time component of the story being employed as a fix? Not that it matters, but it might affect whether or not we get an explanation at all. Before this season, I assumed that time in the world off the island was passing the same as in the real world, meaning, it would be March 15, 2008 in the Lost universe, everywhere except on the island itself, where it's just after Christmas, 2004. I guess not, though.
At the end of last season, I remember someone saying that it could be even weirder than that, they asked if the SAT phone Naomi brought didn't look a little... futuristic? Like maybe the frieghties were from 2012 or something... who knows? I think we're in for a few surprises with the time thing. I hope we get them soon. -
That is what the calanders in the freighter said. What if that was a prop for Des' and Sayid's sake? Have there been any FF where the year was given? Can't remember.
Another reason for Jin's tombstone to be what it was...to not give us what year our losties have reappeared in. He died in the crash. Sun is having a baby - to the world it can't be Jin's, it's 2008. To Sun, it is still 2004-2005. 100+ days from crash. To her doctor, who could know genetically it was Jin's, would have questions. How could that be if he died 4 years ago? -So he has been "disappeared". -
but Desmond told Penny he would call on that date, and he did, so to Penny, and therefore the rest of the world, it has to be the end of 2004. Assuming the 'rescue' of the Oceanic 6 happens within three weeks-island time, (otherwise the island would kill preggers Sun) It means that the Losties have only been on the island for about 4 months, total. Didn't Jack make some "100 days" comment a few episodes ago? I seem to remember that being significant, for some reason...
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because they knew they would be giving Harrold Perrineau and MDK the season off in S3...which pissed HP off...he was on Kimmel after he was told he wouldn't be needed in S3...and he was obviously NOT happy about it.
I have to imagine they shot as much as they could with MDK & HP before S2 filming wrapped.
I think they shot it just in case they needed it in S3...but then found it didn't fit anywhere...yet. And HP & MDK got religated to "guest stars" status and were free to pursue other work.
But once Darlton got ABC to establish the LOST "end date"...It became apparent they were done stalling and now needed them both back PRONTO. Once they got permission from ABC, they went into operation "Freighter People"...which, as the S4 opener was titled...is 'the beginning of the end'.
But MDK is 2 whole years older since he filmed that Pala Ferry dock scene...He's much taller and his voice has dropped noticably...
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because they knew they would be giving Harrold Perrineau and MDK the season off in S3...which pissed HP off...he was on Kimmel after he was told he wouldn't be needed in S3...and he was obviously NOT happy about it.
I have to imagine they shot as much as they could with MDK & HP before S2 filming wrapped.
I think they shot it just in case they needed it in S3...but then found it didn't fit anywhere...yet. And HP & MDK got religated to "guest stars" status and were free to pursue other work.
But once Darlton got ABC to establish the LOST "end date"...It became apparent they were done stalling and now needed them both back PRONTO. Once they got permission from ABC, they went into operation "Freighter People"...which, as the S4 opener was titled...is 'the beginning of the end'.
But MDK is 2 whole years older since he filmed that Pala Ferry dock scene...He's much taller and his voice has dropped noticably...
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Lbby and Mr. Friendly. Naomi all return
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Glad Sam & Ed could come into some sort of uneasy truce. That was an ugly little flame thrower there for a while.
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In Kate's flash-forward that kid looked at least two (which almost lines up with the actual age if it has been 15 months, but is still a few months too old), but I was thinking closer to three. He talks, and there is concern about too much television time. I don't have kids myself, but I've spent a lot of time around my nieces, and it just didn't jibe. That said, it might have just been a mistake in that they cast/wrote the kid a little too old for the part.
But my real concern with Aaron's age is at the other end of the timeline. Even if he were only one and a half in that scene, he would still be bordering on too old for Kate to plausibly have been pregnant when she got on that plane. Aaron's inclusion in the Six and Sun's daughter's exclusion might simply be a case of the public's latching onto the fact that at the time of rescue the kid had already been born. Anybody got a website reference that might stick this all on a timeline and make sense of it?One more thing about Sun - maybe her future motivation for returning to the island won't be for Jin. Maybe her daughter will be kidnapped for research given that she was conceived on the island, and the island would be the natural place to go looking for her.I'm trying to recall now, when Ben and Juliet were discussing the pregnancies last season, did they discuss the possibility of taking the women off the island? If Juliet's attempts at saving lives were failing, wouldn't she have demanded that her patients be removed and thus saved? I seem to recall a conversation along those lines, but maybe I'm wrong. It seems like a sticking point that could have set Juliet much more in opposition to Ben than she became. -
and older people get younger faster?
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Not that I'm spoiled by your last post in the least...but giving away CAST info is very much SPOILER material that some would take exception to.
I mean...it would have been a HUGE SURPRISE when we flashback to Libby pulling out one of those cool satellite phones on the island...and placing a call to Minkowski...and she says..."Ok...Linus is being held in a hatch...he's only being guarded by Lucia...I'm going to go take her out and aquire Linus. Have the helicopter standing by for pick up."
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I figured everyone read the TV guide.
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...works for Chuck Widmore? Well..."worked" for Chuck Widmore...Finding Michael had beat her to the "bustin' out Benjiman" punch was unexpected.
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Brody>> Certainly they can do whatever they want with combining flash-forwards and flashbacks now, but I thought the triple meaning behind the usage in the Jin/Sun episode could be:1) the thematic tie-in of contrasting Jin's past 2) the "gotcha" element for the viewers, *and* 3) the fact that Jin does not have a contemporary future to which to flash forward made it a natural inclusion, since all the prior Jin and Sun episodes included facets of both their lives.Re: Kate and Aaron - if the outside world is not passing time at the same rate as the island, than Kate would have to claim conception on the island, and so would Sun. Who are they going to say the fathers are? Jack and Hurley? These six people are celebrities. That could not be glossed over. I could buy Aaron being included in the Six if he happened to be rescued with the other five, even if the story is not that he was a fetus on 815. But the paternity issues would just be too screwed up, wouldn't they? For that reason - and the Penny conversation with Desmond - I think time passes at the same rate.That still leaves Walt and Michael to explain, though. Is it possible the two of them lingered too long in that limbo that comprises the "time moat" around the island? Maybe they were lost and adrift and just kept aging at the relatively rapid rate. But what were they doing all that time? And what did they eat?
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to Widmore, then what's the deal with this whole, "Not Penny's Boat"?
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Uh, they probably fished.
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Damn man, I see it now.
Lindelof
Cuse
Chief Brody
Brodarlton
Keep the ideas coming. This is getting good.
A good lesson. Stick to LOST and limit the flames. The world is a boring place without disagreements. Sam and I have agreed on more stuff than disagreed. So we disagreed here - and we'll both sleep ok tonight. And we are back to a source of agreement - we love this show.
Speaking of which...don't worry guys (BigE and Node), I know about all the fouls. I know you are pissed. I am not going to say anything. Bo knows refs. The Nietzel/Clang shot was my last. Where are you guys?
OK, I'm forced to work on my computer today. You guys are probably doing normal Saturday stuff. Probably more productive than me today. 'Whimpers' Thank God for a split screen and a fast processor - although this research is taking forever with my trips back and forth. As Jack says:
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Penny is NOT here to rescue you. Somebody ELSE is on that boat. The fact that it's her Daddy's boat, doesn't mean she has anything to do with the "mission" these people are on.
I think we will see scenes where Penny begins investigating Desmond's "disappearance" after the sailboat race...and she'll have a strong suspicion her father had something to do with it. I think she'll do some 'digging' into her dad's affairs and she'll find he's very much preoccupied with magnetic anomolies and an "island"...
Which leads her to secretly hire her OWN team who are watching for anomolies emminating from "islands". Her Portuguese team found one...but her Dad was way ahead of her...as he knew exactly where to look all along. -
It's weird that she was looking for the island before that.
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Yeah, they fished. Good point. :- ) In this hypothetical scenario, I'm just wondering how quickly Michael and Walt got tired of being stuck on that little boat with only each other for company. Based on what we've seen, they would have driven each other insane. Maybe Michael fed Walt to the Dharma shark.
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and swam back to shore and has been sneaking around the island.
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Eggtown was the most DVR'd show that week. (Don't know why rankings are month behind). These type of stats are so important now. "Downloaded" should also be closely monitored. Sarah Connor #7 and sorry SickFixx, Prion Break #17.
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"Finding Michael had beat her to the "bustin' out Benjiman" punch was unexpected"
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That's a great theory. It still begs the question of what she was doing in the mental hospital with Hurley. Was it just another wacky Lost coincidence? Was she a plant with the Tailies (if so, where from? - a third island faction?!?), or was it a coincidence that there was a Widmore employee on this 815 when Widmore's bastard son (cute theory - I like it) happened to not press the button in the vicinity of the plane? That's a lot of coincidences.
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How does Kate explain having a baby when they're rescued? She wasn't pregnant before the crash.
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" She wasn't pregnant before the crash"
How would anyone know that? If she had Aaron premature (7+ mo.), she might not even know she was 3 months preggers. She was in custody a bit before Edward escorted her back to LA. Sex in May (sounds like a RomCom), caught in August, Extradited in Sept (Crashed on 22nd). Rescued in Dec or Jan shortly after Aaron arrives. He's definately too old for that scenario in Eggtown...but we have powerful people helping/controlling the O6.
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Red Dwarf did it first - last episode of season 5: "back to reality" - 1992 (interestingly a couple episodes after "quarantine") so you know, nothing new under the sun and all that...
btw on the subject of Aaron and Ji-Yeon - so BOTH mothers are gonna claim their babies were conceived BEFORE flight 815?? Considering when they return from the island, Aaron is AT LEAST a year old and Ji-Yeon hasn't even been BORN YET - how does that work exactly???
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Aside from "bumping into" Desmond with a free sailboat, EXACTLY when Des NEEDED a free sailboat. Libby certainly had a thing for Hugo, didn't she?
Funny how when a semi-famous lottery winner ends up in a looney bin...there she is...watching his every move. Is it possible Chuck had Libby "check herself in" because he knows the significance of the "numbers" Hurley used to win that lottery...and was very curious where Hugo came UP with those numbers?...Could Hugo have a connection with the island? Or someone close to him has a connection? A connection with Ben Linus perhaps?
Alrighty...I believe love can find a way to bring ANY two people together, yada, yada, yada...but wasn't it a lil bit strange to anyone else that Libby chose HURLEY as a possible island "hook up"? I mean...with Sawyers and Jacks and Sayids so handy...the hot blonde chooses Jabba the freakin' Hutt? I think she was clearly continuing her 'surveillence' of Hugo...sure...she may have found him to be somewhat charming once she got to know him...but I'm thinking she was no more interested in Hurley than a prostitute would have been.
Libby was merely a 'scout' for Charles Widmore...and was possibly waiting for her chance to get her hands on Ben Linus. I think Libby was using her "picnic" with Hurley as an alibi...when Ben came up missing from the Swan hatch...and Ana Lucia dead on the floor...she would have had an airtight alibi for Ben's disappearance. Except ben was a step ahead of her...and...unfortunately for Libby...two bullets ahead of her. -
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LOST - that is our beloved show.
But I think Libby is a nut job recruted by Widmore. He offers her a way out of the looney bin and a new life. Just a couple a things she has to do.
1. Offer his bastard son a boat (damn I like that)
2. Spend some time in a tropical paradise and befriend a slightly overweight millionaire (he soft-peddled this one)
3. Do an antecdotal report and call it in on the SatPhone. We'll be done with the "project" and have a boat there for you before Christmas. Just pretend you are a therapist. You have experience from all the nuthouses you've been in.
So she is inserted like Ben inserted Goodwin and Ethan. She was more disarming than those two and even Ana Lucia bought it.
I don't know. Now that I know Libby is in #8, I guess we will find out some backstory. I knew Libby was coming up Skywalker, no problem there, just didn't know it was in this one. I spoil myself all the time - no worries. But be careful, some are VERY good at avoiding them. -
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So Libby was tailing Hugo all along at Widmore's behest because of the numbers. But her presence in the mental hospital was still a coincidence, because that was before Hurley even won the lottery, UNLESS she was there investigating the crazy guy that gave Hurley the numbers in the first place and just switched tails after that point. That makes sense! So, then the only coincidence would be that she happened to be tailing Hurley on this particular flight 815 when Widmore's bane Desmond brought the plane down (already an extreme stretch of a coincidence, but forgivable). Once on the island she reconnects with Hurley to keep a close eye on him (as is her job).Just one question left at that point: how did she know to grab Ben, where was she going to take him, and how did she communicate with Widmore's people to coordinate that? That's three questions, huh? Explanations await, but this is all VERY plausible, and I'm impressed how they laid this out if this is the case.
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I guess the ? is, was Hugo important enough to watch prior to the crash. His #s won the lottery, so you're right, maybe Libby is one sharpe chick and under Wideload's employ (love that miSfIt) for a while. I know her look when she met with Des, that was definately a disguise. Her hair...that was a wig. Was that a bad wig by the LOST folks, or a bad wig by "spy" Libby? Anyway - that flash to Libby in the Mental Hospital...She had that thorazine look down and I would bet she had the shuffle as well. She may be a very good agent that is bad with wigs and great with faking medicated.
If you are a believer there are NO coincidences in this show, then she is placed with Hurley early on and asked to continue on the island. Looking at the pics - nuthouse/Des meeting/island/...mugshot (goodgod was she fried in that shot), I can see why Hurley didn't put it together. Plus - he eagerly took his meds.
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Because the winning numbers were the Dharma numbers? I don't get that. Also, Hurely barely made his flight that Libby was already on.
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Only one hangup I have with your version: how did Widmore so skillfully plant Libby on the island? I got the impression the freighter is Widmore's first shot at the island in a while. It would be somewhat redundant if he already had an intentional plant. But, yeah, that could all be explained as well.
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Why are so many people making this so complicated. They already said that eight people survived the crash, two died and six were rescued. They can say that Claire survived the crash, but died during childbirth and that Kate promised to raise Aaron. That is why Kate's lawyer wanted to bring Aaron into the courtroom.
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Timeline =
Hugo - nuthouse, wins lottery, goes on trip?
Yeah - you are right. But Leonard WAS there. And there is a rumour Lenny could be a former Hatch guy - or at least got close enough to the island he went nuts...hence the digs. Hmmmm
"Elizabeth, keep watch over Leonard and ANYONE that takes interest in those numbers", orders Mr. Wideload.
"Yes Mr.Wideload. And if Benjamin Linus approaches prematurely?" asks Libby.
A Beat
"Kill him."
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So why wasn't THAT guy monitored?
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Why many of you touted Y:The Last Man. So far, very good. And very LOSTlike.
"I'm sorry love, your name is...?"
"Hero"
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Since 1996. Food Drops. I'm not sure, but Widmore is involved more than and for longer than we're led to believe. He may have bought that logbook so that Penny and others CAN'T find that island more than he needed the help.
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won the lottery for Hugo. Now he thinks the #s are cursed (Tricia Tanaka is Dead). Valenzetti Equation. End of Time. Probably not good numbers to mess with.
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Absolutely not. Claire has surviving family. Are you telling me that they are going to take the word of a charged felon and let her raise Aaron? Or that the state of California or the nation of Australia would let that fly? Even if they took her word, they would still probably want the kid. Not to mention the fact that Kate calls him "my son." Such is my opinion.
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sure wouldn't let Kate near the kid until her charges were resolved. Aaron, Kate. and, Nanny seemed quite settled in.
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...wants to see her grandson. I don't think she would have been so willing to surrender the case for an adopted kid. It is exactly as complicated as I am making it.
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Who says the Aussie wasn't monitored? He's dead, and we have never met him.
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Widmore have the info Ms HAwking is privy to. I was always under the impression Hawking was a Widmore plant. Widmore - puppetmaster of puppetmasters. Hawking and Ben ripping through time trying to keep things in line. Which one is the good guy?
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Maybe she knew Hurley's flightplan and was already on the plane waiting for him. Perhaps she couldn't tail him that morning for whatever reason and got sloppy. (Plus, I imagine tailing Hurley was getting dull.) The fact that he almost missed the flight would have screwed up her surveillance, so she was fortunate he made it.But, there is still the fact that someone directly questioned Libby's even being on the flight. Or did they? I can't remember. It might have been Hurley. Could that have been a reference to the fact that she was a plant already on the island? Or maybe it was a reference to her wearing a disguise? I don't know.
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The Oceanic 6 leave the island only within a 4 months after their plane crash. They have aged only 4 months,,, but the rest of the world has gone on for 4-6 years after the crash. How do you claim that Aaron is the same child that Claire was prgnant with. Obviously no one will disput that Aaron is hers. The Oceanic 6 claims only 2 other passengers survived the crash. Obviously the other two that didn't make it was Jin and the "father of Aaron". The Oceanic 6 have to cover their tracks not to expose their time travel. Aaron will become Kate's child.
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Whatever happened to the manifest that Hurley was using to take his census and eventually showed that Ethan was a mole? Do they still have it? Would they have verified the Tailies' identities?
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Aaron can not be claimed as a survivor of Oceanic 815. Even though he was technically a survivor. The Oceanic 6 would have to reveal the truth that there were 7 and have to explain why a baby that is supposed to be 4-6 years old has only aged 4 months.
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back to L.A. for his mom's birthday? I doubt Widemore was THAT good. Plus, of all the flights you could book for flying back to L.A., Hurley picks THAT particular flight?
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That doesn't add up. The date on Jin's tombstone is the date of the crash, not another time that would make him one of the 8 and thus plausibly Sun's kid's father. By your explanation, the other guy that died would have had to have been Sun's kid's dad. (Or Hurley, Jack, or Sayid, as I discuss above.) Regardless, as I also state above, I still do not believe the outside world could be that far ahead in time. Penny's and Desmond's Christmas Eve conversation definitively disproves it.
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Within the construct of the show, I agree they have not officially told us who the 6 are. But based on the ABC promos, we have supposedly been told who the 6 are. I don't know who the sixth could be if it wasn't Aaron.
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I don't remember the specifics of how Hurley chose that flight. It's been a while since I saw that episode. But I suppose Libby could have been monitoring and with Widmore's resources got a ticket on the same plane. As for that being the flight that Desmond brings down, yeah, it's a coincidence.
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Everything always changes on this show. By the end of it, this won't matter.
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You are right. It's just that the Matrix is the most popular movie/tv series with this premise. Ghost in the Shell, Doctor No and the Deadly Assassin, Dark City,Abre los Ojos, Strange Days all delved with this plot device. Frankly, I hope LOST writers don't get lazy and follow suit. But for now, I'm convinced this is the only way to explain everything that happened.
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Good points....
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No. There is too much. Let me sum up (to quote the great Inigo Montoya)...
Hurley sought out Leonard at Santa Rosa, and informed him that he had played his numbers in the lotto. Leonard informed Hurley that he should not have done so, claiming that he had "opened the box." Before Leonard was taken away by the staff, he told Hurley to seek out another person by the name of Sam Toomey, whom he had been in the navy with and who lived in Kalgoorlie, Australia ("Numbers"). Leonard gave Hugo the numbers...Hurley went to see Sam in Austrailia to confirm that the numbers are indeed cursed. Sam's wife indicated that Sam committed "suicide"...but who knows...Sam may have been murdered for his obssession over the numbers. He may have been "monitored".
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Was so incredibly lame, No one came out of that looking good I'll say that much, and i know its over but I had to read that pathetic slap fight.
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And can see to it that there are flights available to very specific passenger's needs?
If Libby was keeping tabs on Hugo closely...it wouldn't be a stretch to believe she knew exactly what flight and what time Hugo would be on it...especially if it was as important as Hugo's Mom's birthday. -
prepare to die.
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Did you want more profanity? Threats? I had my fill of that with a troll yesterday. I like Sam and didn't want the arguement. You guys didn't deserve to have bandwidth wasted on off-topic stupidity. I apologized already. I apologize again for my part in it. This show is too good to waste space with that.
I would think some of us hijacking the LOST TB with March Madness would have torked more people off than 6 posts or so. Oh well. Sorry to disappoint. I'm a Claire's ass and Juliet's cans lover, not a fighter. -
that will interest me on the storytelling twist that is required to bring all og these intertwined characters together on this flight - not just Hurley and Libby. My God, just those two...no prob. But many lives had to manipulated just so to get them all on that plane to that destination at that time. That takes some sort of supernatural ability, don't you think? Knowledge of the future couldn't be enough alone for that number of folks. Brody - I hope you can 'splain that one too. And no Mobil Street/Limbo stuff Red Pill, please. This isn't purgatory or the heartbeat inbetween death...I just don't get the vibe from Darlton they would do that to us.
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Wracking my brains for a clear shot of her seat belted in when the plane fell from the sky.
I know she told Hurley he might remember her because she said he stepped on her foot when he was boarding the plane...but she was trying to distract him from remembering her brunette 'crazy' persona from the Santa Rosa Mental facility.
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I hope.
I think it all has to do with the universe 'course correcting' itself, not sure how, but that first Desmond time travel episode, (was it last season? two seasons ago?) when the lady explains how unlikely or improbable circumstances will arrange themselves to 'correct' something that has affected the timeline, so I think that Flight 816 itself, and it's passenger manifest, are one big epic 'course correction'. It's just a loose theory, I have nothing to back it up, but I think that The Constant was a tipping point, I think from now on we're going to start getting more and more of the pieces, we're on the downward slope...
It's all Ben, all the time, I think. He's the man behind the curtain. Widmore is going to turn out to be his butler, or something.
As for the slap fight, it sucks, because my true motivation for that was to impress people and make friends. Oh well, I'll try harder next time.
And Ed, as if any white man would honestly use the word 'vibe'. (kidding)
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She wasn't monitored by Widemore. Why wouldn't Widemore seek out information about her frieghter?
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Was it in the game? That's not canon.
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THAT is funny, Sam. Although I always though that was kind of a hippyism. Vibes man, vibes. Better yet, in an orange tux, top hat and cane, "puttin' out the vibe".
The Walt ? in Ep8...who do we get...thank you Kristin.
Walt does appear in episode eight, but 100-percent-trustworthy sources tell me that during his blink-of-an-eye appearance, "He is exactly the size that a nine-year-old should be." Source: Kristin on E!Online -
OK, I should start this post by saying - I never read the spoiler section of DarkUFO. So forgive me if I have a bit of catching up to do. Now, onto more important things...
..."Libby returns" - I read that correctly, right? How exactly do you all know this? Don't get me wrong, I knew she was coming back eventually just not so soon and without any buzz (I'm talking to YOU Doc Jensen!)
With Shannon offed by Dirty Harriet, Claire - supposedly - on the next flight to the pearly gates, and Juliet pissing off as many hot brunettes as possible, the Island's resident blondes have been in short quantity lately. So when I hear TV's most mysterious and hottest platinum psycho (sorry Niki Sanders) is back I have more trust issues than Scully on a dark and stormy night. Links, photos - give me something DAMMIT!
P.S. Sorry in advance for the obscure and totally unnecessary pop culture references. Yes, I do realize it sounds like I just gave Diablo Cody a blowjob; and, yes, I DO regret shedding 10 bucks to see "Juno". -
Nestor Carbonell has inked a deal to reprise his role as ageless island dweller Richard in at least one of this season's final five eps. (Ausiello)
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Danielle arrived on a small research vessel...not a freighter. It's entirely possible the island dwellers knew there was a very pregnant woman on board...thus wanting her baby the same way they wanted Claire's. It's very possible danielle's shipwrecking was no "accident" either.
As for Chuck Widmore Airways...no...it is not canon...It is my theory. If anyone thinks Oceanic is not a villain in this story...or at least...and arm of the villain in this story...you are either clueless or naive.
These passengers were chosen for this flight...some have crossed paths in the outside world long before they ever put their seat belts on.
Oceanic is owned by SOMEONE who got all these folks to the same place...at the same time.
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was even there.
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I don't really understand your line of questioning here and what it proves or disproves. Who said Widmore wasn't monitoring or investigating Danielle and/or her expedition? Maybe we haven't gotten that information yet. We only learned two episodes ago that he knew about the Black Rock. And so what if he wasn't monitoring Danielle? Widmore does not have omniscience.As for his owning Oceanic, I do not know. Maybe Brody was presenting that as a theory.
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SPOILER ALERT SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER know Libby is in the next episode? -
Comes in...guns blazing, and shit.
Just kiddin'...I like a wild card. Um...if you use that little bar over there ---------->
It's a "scroll" bar...it allows you to scroll up and read some posts you may have missed. It's really a great tool. It let's you catch up on what everyone is talking about and why. Sometimes lazy talkbackers ignore that tool...but it really is quite easy to use.
But...I'm feeling charitable so I'll cut you some slack this time...Cynthia Watros is listed as a guest star on this week's LOST in TV Guide this week. Cynthia plays "Libby" on LOST...so we put 2 & 2 together...and we got to this point. Welcome to the party, pal. -
wasnt so bad after all it was like Lost in a way because that Joke Ed made was not funny and lame so at first I thought he was the douche and agreed with sam but as it went on Sam made himself out to look beyond silly and Ed redeemed himself by ending the srguement and being the bigger man just like a character on Lost. At first we think Jin is the Douche then we learn its really Sun and Jin reedeems himself. EdShrinker You sir can now die(I mean that as a compliment) because you reedemed yourself and your story must be over...... right? ? ?
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Dude...seriously. www.lostpedia.com
Please go over there and curl up with a nice read on LOST. Type in anything you want into the search feature...you'll find an answer...or at least a good educated guess.
That said. Danielle arrived on the island circa 1988...a good 8 - 10 years AFTER Dharma started calling Craphole Island "home".
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Unfortunately, I'm both a lazy TBer and a wee bit intoxicated (obvious, huh?). If it were any other ep - maybe. But try sifting through 500 posts reading "Holy shit! It was a flashback! Jin's dead! OMG! TTYL! WTF?" and you'll understand my frustration. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna take your suggestion and run with it. BBL
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The whole point of the show was that the plane was accidentally brought down by Desmond. It wasn't preplanned.
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what smokie is?
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that's the WHOLE POINT of the show. It was all a big 'accident'. You keep telling yourself that.
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the flight until he had Mikhail look up information on it.
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Is something that is left up to the viewer. It will not be addressed on the show.
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that the plane appeared overhead breaking up. But, Ben did know about Desmond in the hatch.
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I honestly don't think he does...But some are speculating Smoky is a manifestation of Jacob...so maybe he does.
I honestly think Smokie was a secret "pet project" of The Dharma Initiative...that was created to protect the island should they come under attack from any outside forces. My two theories are:
1). It was released "accidently" during 'the incident' that Candle mentioned in Orientation.
2). It was released on purpose during 'The Purge' in hopes it would protect those few who managed to ellude death in secretive hatches.
But if Smokie is, indeed, man made...and not an organic anomoly as a byproduct of the island...I think it's totally "off the reservation" and is acting completely outside ANYONE'S control at this point. -
So I assumed it was an accident because Desmond happened to stop pressing the button thus causing the plane crash. But what caused him to stop pressing the button? Wasn't he following the Curgan, and couldn't the Curgan have left the trail intentionally to draw Desmond away from the button? Thus, the Curgan would be working for Widmore as well. (Yes, I know I am talking about Clancy Brown, but I do not remember the character's name.) As for Ben needing to research who was aboard, the theory of the crash's being intentional presupposes that Widmore was the conspirator - not Ben. Ben and Widmore are on opposing sides. That doesn't mean I've decided it was intentional. It could still be coincidental accident. I don't know.
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They don't know what it is, but they did have the fence in place to keep it out. I think Smokie is native to the island and not some experiment accident.
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Here I defend you against a troll last night, offering to use physical violence, and you repay me with that last post. Must....not....respond
Damn brighteyes, that is harsh. But I guess you are right. Going out tonight...hope its not to gruesome for my girlfriend. Doubt she'll cry like Sun - just probably say, "shit, guess a ring is out of the question now." That and "who's gonna pay this bill!"
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And he knew the guy was lying and then Desmond followed him.
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Fate & Coincidence...I don't think it will be overtly addressed...but i think it will turn out to be a bit of BOTH in the end. However...
Take "Fate" out of the picture...and replace it with "Planned"...Well...I'm leaning towards "planned". Fate had little to do with it, IMO....at least for most on the island. -
Ben didn't even know about Jack until he read the files.
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people all those connections - how you can we honestly think Darlton will say, in the end, oh - all those ties to each other. Just a coincidence. C'mon Skywalker, trust the Force. You know it to be true.
Claire and the baby adoption in LA
Christian and Ana Lucia
Kate and Sawyer (and the chick sawyer conned)
Jack and Des
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If my theory holds true...that Widmore was using the Swan as an alternate "prison" to keep Des away from Penny...Widmore used Kelvin to 'condition' Desmond for 3 long years that pushing the button WAS necessary...to keep everyone Desmond loved on the outside world "safe". So...3 years passed. Time to "test" his subject.
1st...he pretends to be drunk...and shows Des the Fail Safe Key. With this...you can make all this "go away" Desmond. Desmond tells him he's crazy...that he's going back up to push the button. Test one...PASSED.
Test 2 begins on Sept 22nd, 2004 with Kelvin "carelessly" leaving the hatch on one of his "runs"...he makes certain Des NOTICES the hole in his biohazard suit. CHECK. Des follows him to the rocky waters edge. Kelvin says...This button pushing is ridiculous...it's a charade!! Look...a boat to freedom!! Sail back to your beloved Penny, Des!! Desmond is enraged, how can he talk like that?! The button is the most important thing in the world!!
A 'scuffle' ensues...Kelvin has carefully led Desmond far enough away from the button to cause him to risk not making back in 108 minutes...he knows Desmond will be pressed for time should he NOT accept the sailboat offer.
Sure enough...Desmond is determined to push the button for the rest of his life. Kelvin's mission is over. The scuffle gets heated...but Kelvin has planned ahead. He falls awkwardly backwards...appearing to crack his head open on the jagged rocks. A well placed baggie of boar's blood completes the illusion of his demise. Desmond is frantic...he MUST run back and attend to the button...thus never feeling Kelvin's neck for a pulse. After Des hauls ass, Kelvin stands up...radios his transport...Test 2 PASSED. Desmond does NOT want to leave the hatch...come get me.
Des misses his deadline...the magnet goes bonkers and releases a huge plume of electromagnetic energy...and Flight 815 hits the shockwave and is brought down.
Everything reverts to normal and desmond resumes his button pushing duties without question.
That is...until Locke came knocking at his door.
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The others actually see the plane break apart in mid-air. Ben issues his orders to Ethan and Goodwin.. goes to Mikhail to get the information on the passengers and crew.. gets his 'people' off the island to immediately start setting up a fake crash site. All that could take place within hours, though it would take considerable time... a few months, so set up the crash site. Just in time for someone to 'find' it. Ben obviously has the resources. We saw his huge stash of cash and passports. The one dude knows he can easily blackmail Ben for millions. I think its possible.
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Ben everything is with you, eh? Bad is Ben you say? Knows all Ben does, hmmm?
Vision yours is clouded, young Skywalker. Universe is not with Ben in the center. Search your feelings...true you know it to be.
Pawn is but Ben. At work...larger forces are. Ben planned not the passengers fate...as with all Sith...travel in pairs they do.
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At a Q and A of Cloverfield, Someone asked Drew Goddard if Cloverfield (with the dharma initiative stamp at the begining of film) and Lost would be connected in the show Lost in anyway later in the series and Drew Goddard responded with a hesatent : Maybe, GASP!!!!
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I'm saying that IF it was a plan, then Ben wasn't the planner. It was Widmore. So it wouldn't matter that Ben didn't know who was on the plane.
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You must not speak "Yoda"! Sorry, Sam...that's not racist...is it? LOL!!
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Man, you make up a lot of crap to fit your story.
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He didn't even know where the island was.
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O.k. That sounds plausible. Except wasn't pressing the button actually necessary? Granted, it's a silly mechanism for a task so important, but it actually does have a rather substantial effect when it's not pressed. Why rest the fate of the button if it produces such an effect purely on a test of resolve of Desmond?But if what you're saying is true, I hope Kelvin got paid a bunch for that gig. What a boring job.
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For getting killed on an island.
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When was it ever said Charles Widmore didn't know where the island was? Did I miss that episode?
Please...enlighten me...I need more stuff to make up my 'stories'!
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of bucks if he knew what the contents of it were already?
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I've been gone all day. Up at 4:30 am, had to work (long story), stayed away from TV and radio, DVR'ed the MSU-Wiscy game. I just finished, and I'm feeling sick. Just sick. The foul calls - was it just me? Does every game get all those ticky-tack fouls called? No wonder Wisconsin knows how to win - flop, act like you're fouled, and shoot free throws. No more comments on basketball for me - back to Lost.
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At this point, I can't say what we know for sure about Widmore's knowledge of the "location" of the island. Maybe it's less a case of knowing "where" the island is and more a case of knowing "how" to get there. I believe he knows more or less "where" it is based on his research at the least.
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doubt he has set up things on the island. He has a freighter off shore, and the hot air balloon said "WIDEMORE" on the side of it, so maybe he does know about the island.
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I've been a fan for so, so many seasons... but, they just keep ducking the questions they originally brought up. I no longer give a shit. Period. It's been so frustrating for so long that I've finally just stopped watching or caring. I just regret it took so long.
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Maybe to keep others from gaining that same knowledge? Maybe to fill in the holes on certain mysteries about the island he hasn't yet unraveled? I don't know.
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He knows Desmond's ultimate fate so he is guiding Des. He may want to exploit the island becasue he's a time traveler. And because he's a dirty business man. I think Ben made the fake plane because he wanted to keep the people on the island and recruit/exploit them. He's already managed to recruit Sayid and is in the process with Locke. Hurley says he wished he didn't go with Locke. Maybe Locke betrayed them all and is defending the island for Ben while he does some espionage shit with Sayid. The last five episodes are going to be orgasmic because there will be zero filler. Just five lean, mean episodes. Think how much shit we are gonna see in the last five episodes. These first 8 are the set up and the last 5 will be the execution. This season is looking to be the best season ever.
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How has Hanso remained so secretive about the island knowledge?
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Widmore is his boss, right?
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that the writers just made the "connections" with the characters to mess with our minds.
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he memorized the flight manifest, he's gonna get suspicious.
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I think it's something to keep us interested in the show. Seeing as how a lot of them were in Australia days before the plane flight.
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has a map to the island inside? Perhaps there is OTHER info inside that journal he wanted. Have you looked inside of it?
BTW...Widmore bought that journal in a flashBACK...long before Flight 815 was even a glimmer in anyone's eye. So, even if the journal did give him the location of the island...it was 1996...which gave him ample time to locate the island if he didn't already know where it was in the first place.
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bought the journal.
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No need to cry over the Futurama dog ep. anymore. They retconed it in "Bender's Big Score" so that Seymore lives with a second copy of Frye for his whole life. Tune in to Comedy Central on 03/30 to catch the details.
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The fact that they were ALL in Austrailia days before the plane flight is just a means to "keep us interested in the show"?
Hmmmm...you're right that IS very compelling!! And sawyer had a beer with Christian Sheppard...and then almost ran over Boone in the police station...And Hurley owns the box company Locke worked in...and even had the same boss as Locke!?...And Sawyer's con man is Locke's kidney stealing Dad? And Jack & Claire are half fucking siblings?!! And Jack meets Desmond on a run and is the first person he meets inside the Swan hatch?! And Jack decides to save Sarah after the accident that killed Shannon's Dad?!!
That not compelling enough for you, Skywalker?!!! All this is shit is mere coincidence?!!
Whatever, dude...you accuse us of "overthinking it"...how can you "underthink it" so horribly? -
See y'all next week when the conversation has become substantive and interesting again.
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You sound like some douche who thinks he knows the ending of the story when no one else does.
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Anyone else wanna have a crack at it...be my guest. I'm out.
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Yes, that is chain-pulling. I'm sorry we indulged him as long we did.
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I find your lack of Bushido ..disturbing. Your pose is well seen and some such slight regarded. Enjoy your show speculation, your geo-eco-soci-political appraisals, less so..tis out of your depth and two rings at best.. thus do I prize your tall poppy-osity.
It is a bit of cliche cheeky to pop wise on an American board dedi'd to film and tele and blow hard on ..and on and on..about the world we find ourselves in. Plenty of other parts to shine that dim bulb. Not a lot of honour in that here about. Still, you also might think to leave that to those who have actually heard the happy shouting and the sad whispers...ya wee squawking sheila.. copy that?
and bless your traveller's club soul but..kimi ha shitsurei o wabiru beki da. I'm not sayin, I just sayin...me in this slouch hat with me SLR and green
..and on a lighter Oz note..Fan of Fahey I am..but how much cooler times would it have been had the LOST PTB cast Bryan Brown in the role of Frank..slipped some odd angry shot flashbacks in.
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anybody that thinks that Jin is dead just because they showed us a tombstone is pretty damn stupid.... all the tombstone revealed to us is that he is not 1 of the "6". He could very well be still on the Island alive....
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taking shots at each other to fill in the time - I am sooooooooo glad we don't have to wait six weeks for another episode JUST YET!
...and seriously guys - PULL YOUR HEADS IN - personally I like a little bit of everyone's theories - like Kelvin for example. Yeah I think he walked away from there NOT dead but I don't think it's because Desmond is a Widmore - that would just be too... Days of our Lives... -
RokurGepta>> Thanks for calling me "pretty damn stupid," although I suppose the fact that it's not just the tombstone exempts me from your proclamation. Anyway, it's my interpretation of the emotion of the moment, and I think it would be cheap to compromise that moment. At the very least, I believe that Hurley and Sun believe that Jin is dead. My additional cause for believing in his death is that the use of a parallel flashback makes sense with respect to the fact that Jin would not have a future contemporary to the one of Sun that we are shown if he is dead. All episodes in the past have highlighted both characters, but if he is dead there is no flash-forward to be shown.
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I didn't think I would considering the breakneck speed things have been going, but this was the first time an episode came close to getting me to wet the eyes a little bit. (not as much as when my girlfriend saw penny and des talk, but close). Brilliant use of the flash forward and back. Took me by suprise until the very end. Still up in the air about baby Aaron being the last of the oceanic six, but it certainly looks that way, although I wouldn't put it past the writters to come up with another twist. I also am thinking that the original of the black rock are the hostiles, a long lost widmore relative was the captain, hence his obssession to find the island, and perhaps the black smoke is the manifestation of all the slaves who died aboard that ship. I am also starting to wonder if the island isn't the bedrock of time itself. The actual center of the big bang and time and space have progressed in all directions outward from that one point, which is stuck in time. That would fall into faridays theory that to return or leave the island on the same time line, you have to use the exact coordinates. I am sure I am way off base and spend way too much time trying to wrap my admitedly already blown mind about possible scenarios, but it makes some weird sort of sense to me. And to all the haters of Lost, I think you can still catch episodes of Charles in Charge on TV land, but you may have to stay up late past your bedtime. For the rest of you like me, who can't wait until next week, I firmly believe this is just going to get better and better. Plus they got the guy who wrote Y the Last Man on the writting crew now, can't go wrong with that. Keep watching and talking, thanks for listening to my crazy theory (for today)
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It's getting crazy in here.
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There's more than a bit of water under the bridge since a talkbacker asked--more or less--What's so great about Desmond? There wasn't much response--no doubt because it would have been only so much preaching to the converted. Still, it gave me a moment to reflect on the question. And although I remember TerryMalloy offering a succinct, humorous, and totally accurate account, it seems to me that all of us cynical bastards or tough guys tend to leave out something that "The Constant" proved to me to be beyond doubt: Desmond and Penny's story is one of the great romantic tales I've ever seen on television. This sounds sappy, I know, but I think this is precisely what the creators are reaching for; moreover their success can be measured by the fact--and you can correct me if I'm wrong--that Desmond-centric episodes consistently rate the most highly amongst fans. It's audacious, in my opinion, for the writers to commit to a storyline like Desmond's and Penny's, which seems to me an honest-to-god real real love story, and it's refreshing, also, in this age of "will-they-or-won't-they" teasings, "how-I-met-you-mother" string-alongs, and "we-have-4-male-cast-members-and-four-female-cast-members--how-many-possible-combinations-does-that-make? melodrama-mathematics. No, Desmond and Penny are the real thing. It's about love, brother, and in a cynical era such as ours, the audience roots for it.
I mean, her name is Penelope, for god's sake. Like, from the Odyssey, one of the foundations of our artistic culture and of the novel, an epic about a man lost at sea, taken from his beloved, struggling to return to his beloved, and the same epic that inspired the whole Nostos genre, or the drama of returning home. Like nostos, the ancient Greek for homecoming--on a tv show about people lost on an island trying to get home. Or like our modern word, nostalgia, homesickness, from nostos, homecoming or returning home, and algos, pain/longing. Not that I really know my ancient Greek. I'm just saying: When they decided to name her Penelope, it could have been a throwaway (god knows they do that, too, on this show). But it wasn't. The writers took one of the main premises of the show, the return home (and not only physically, but to return to the past via flashbacks, the transport to those times and places that have made each of the characters who they've become), and embodied this central theme into a single storyline, that of Desmond and Penny. Certainly, if there is a question of return, of "returning home," then Desmond and Penny are the most aching dramatization of this thematic. In fact, most characters actually "lost" lives that were full of secrets and betrayals, humiliation, bad-luck, criminality, pain, and mistakes. The island became their chance at redemption (and John, the second strongest character in my opinion, epitomizes this opposite pole better than anyone). But not so with Desmond. He is one character whose true redemption awaits at home--with his beloved. And, in this sense, perhaps it's not coincidence that he was not a passenger on 815. In any case, this idea, this idea of redemption through love, is a pretty bold and romantic move for a world full of cynical irony and clear-headed pessimism, I would say.
Now, if you believe that Desmond and Penny's arch is central to the story, then you'll probably find at least a grain of truth in the above. I, myself, do believe this (or would like to believe this), and it leads me to a somewhat WILD SPECULATION (um, you've been forewarned). The absolute most romantic conclusion to Lost (don't read if you don't want to read or are offended by WILD SPECULATION): The most romantic conclusion to Lost would be if, at the end, the survivors all HAD TO DO IT OVER AGAIN. If in fact, that these very survivors had already done it before and will do everything over again and over again, infinitely. And yet (despite everything), this would be their noble choice: That they would meet again, always randomly and in the same places; that they would connect and disconnect, but without ever recognizing each other; and that they would fail and they would redeem themselves, ad infinitum. This would be the reason why their coincidental "meetings" in the past (will) carry so much weight. They will (have) be(en) in the same position as the viewer: recognizing (or missing) but never understanding the coincidence of it all, the true meaning of it all. (And by this token--and it's kind of funny--the viewer, also, could re-watch the show infinitely, and he/she would be in the same loop as the characters: always knowing and forgetting--and always bound to repeat in an infinite loop. Which would be rather brilliant, no?) In other words, a sort of Eternal Return, as Nietzsche might say. And, actually, as he says quite well--in The Gay Science, for instance (cue: Lost music and montage of all the little tidbits the viewer's collected throughout the series): "This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in you life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence. . . The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and with it, speck of dust!" And the most romantic moment of this most romantic ending (I can hear the Lost soundtrack in my head) would have Desmond and Penny realizing that to save the world or to course-correct or something-or-other (it wouldn't really matter, to be honest)--that this is the way it has to be. And so, just before this "return" is executed, Desmond would say to Penny, "I love you, Penny," and Penny would tell Des, "I love you, Des," and Desmond would swear to her, "I will find you--I will always find you," and Penny would nod, knowing that this is true and that it shall always be true, infinitely. And this would be yet one more reason why, as TerryMalloy put it, Desmond kicks ass.
Of course, I'm a big romantic sap, obviously. And, of course, it doesn't take reading German philosophy--or German literature, for matter, particularly c. 1800--to know that "the infinite," especially when it comes to love, is the most romantic thing of all. Anyway, the above is not at all fleshed out in terms of logistics, plot, or justification (other than by its utter romanticism)--although it could be. Who knows? I might just so sometime--when I'm less drunk.
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Des = Widmore's bastage son? Very D.O.O.L. But until I can think of another reason why Chuck doesn't just shoot the sum of a bitch dead...it's what I'm stickin with.
Glad to have a sane mind in the room again.
BTW, Darth. Complete agreement with you, too. I think Sun & Hurley completely believe Jin has expired. I'm having a vision of the Oceanic 6 racing to the helicopter...Frank is screaming that they "HAVE TO TAKE OFF...NOW!!!"...Jack...Kate & Aaron...Sayid...Hurley (who slows the process down immensely)...Jim helps Sun onto the chopter...when suddenly...gunfire...locusts...smoke monsters...what have you...Forces Frank to lift off before Jin is onboard...He clings to the skiff as it lifts off...Sun is screaming...trying to get him onboard...Jack is trying to help...when suddenly Jin is shot...he looks into Jack's eyes...and lets go of the skiff...plummeting into the water below. Sun screams...and tries to jump out after him...but Hurley grabs her and pulls her to him...she fights to break free...but succumbs to her husband's fate and sobs uncontrollably into Hugo's chest as he consoles her. He looks down and sees Jin floating face down in the water...with blood pouring out of his back as the chopper leaves Craphole Island.
Jin did exactly what he said he would do...anything in his power to get Sun & their baby off that island.
Because he didn't make the flight...Jin gets religated to the "lie" and is officially listed as Dead On Impact when Oceanic 815 slammed into the ocean on 9/22/04.
However...as Sun was Juliette's "patient"...so is Jin...and I believe she nurses him back to health on the island...and Jin lives to see Ji Yeon at a future date.
But Sun & Hurley are convinced he didn't survive the gunshot & fall at that gravesite. Something tells me Sun will somehow get a message that Jin DID survive...and that will be Sun's impetus for wanting to go "back". -
Way to over think everything everyone!
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Call Lindelof now.
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Um, as you may have gleaned from my above post, I'm very much hoping that Chief Brody's clever explanation of the Des/Penelope/Widmore situation is incorrect. While clever, yes, and DOOL, admittedly, it would rather shift things from the Odyssey to Oedipus, which is not nearly as romantic. Well, for most people, anyway.
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To put it succinctly, you were referencing reason number 5 of why Desmond is awesome: He will do anything to be with Penny.
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Although I disagree with your WILD SPECULATION that they are in some kind of a loop.
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Something could happen again further down the road to make Jin finally leave Sun. Sun leaves the island with the baby.
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I want NOTHING MORE than Desmond Hume and Penelope Widmore to reunite and live happily ever after...forever and ever. Their romance is by far the most heartwrenching and touching thing I've seen on TV since...well...ever. And...it's also quite sick to think how many times Des did the horizontal hula with his own half sister...almost too sick...even for LOST.
Who knows? Perhaps there's yet another reason why Charles doesn't just kill him...maybe some other romantic and more noble reason.
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I sure hope it's not any permutation of "it's all a dream", although I do really like that movie (not the least because it has a very young and very naked Penelope Cruz)
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C'mon people. Desmond is not like Oedipus, on a quest for truth. He is Odysseus, trying to get back home.
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[Note to self, don't hit "enter"]Halfway through season six they get off the Island. The final six episodes before the finale clean up all the flash forward business and the two hour series finale has the Oceanic Six chartering a boat to return to the island to rescue the remaining survivors... and the boat crashes on a reef in the storm, stranding them there.(boom)...LOST. Oh, and the Harlem Globetrotters are there, too.
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This is not a tragedy. Mark my words. It will be unexpected, but not particularly tragic.
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LOST
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I hope it's not the Globetrotters!! That is sooooooo played out! I'd rather it be the crazy Japanese sub captain.
My last crazy theory for the day and I gotta hit the hay.
What is the source of the island's magical, mystical, electromagnetic powers?
I say two possibilities...1. A million years ago...a cosmic magnetically charged meteorite slammed into the island killing the original 4 Toed God worshipping inhabitants. The meteorite immediately had a strange effect on the island's make up. Huge chunks of it spread across the island. Alvar Hanso discovered the extraordinary properties quite by accident...while looking for his great grandfather Magnus's slave ship...but what he found was far more valuable. An island...made completely invisible to the outside world by it's tremendous polarizing magnetism...which actually bent light around itself. Hanso immediately saw this island as a launching point for fantastic scientific breakthroughs...and The Dharma Initiative was born.
2. Magnus Hanso...on a trip back from New Guinea was very excited about a recent purchase that he had made...a huge magnetically charged chunk of meteorite that had powers never before seen in the New World. But his trip was fraught with peril...it seemed the rock they were carrying was causing everyone on the ship to act irrationally...even crazy. His men were throwing themselves overboard for no reason. Those who did not succumb to the "sickness" found themselves caught in a massive storm...and a huge tidal surge shipwrecked the Black Rock over a mile inland of an uncharted island. As the ships hull broke into pieces on the island...Magnus's precious cargo...was lost to the island. Over the years it was buried deep into the bedrock of the island under sand and lava. And it's magnetic properties began to affect the island's very make up...Then Alvar found it.
Either way...you get something completely organic causing the island's unique properties. I just can't wait for THAT flashback...Can you see a huge meteorite smashing that giant 4 toed statue to smithereens? THAT would be aces!
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My theory (kinda got LOST in the shuffle Thursday night)
by bumpasses dawg
Here's my theory - everyone who crashed on that island started off both dead and alive - when they passed onto the island, they were split into two realities. In the real world, the plane crashed into the Ocean, and every passenger died.
So the body buried in Korea actually IS Jin. They all DIED that day. But they LIVED when they passed through "The Box" to recreate the plane and their actual flesh on the island (because they were nearby and Ben needed Jack). The survivors must pass back through the time/alternate reality veil that shields the island from the world in order to return, and become known as the Oceanic 6.
Those who die on the island, like Charlie, are now dead in BOTH realities, but they are not free yet. The island has captured their souls, and they wander, LOST. That explains Christian Sheppard's appearances, as well as Mr. Eko's brother. Their spirits are trapped in whatever keeps the island shielded. And I do agree with an earlier poster about the smoke monster. It is a security system... once used by Jacob to protect the island. What is Jacob concerned about? If too many of the souls that passed through Ben's DOOR and became flesh, namely those on Oceanic flight 815, are allowed to leave, a paradox will puncture the island's reality. If that happens, perhaps all the people remaining on the island - all those that have a living/dead paradox going on, will revert to their previous reality - which is waterlogged and corpsey.
This applies ONLY to those on Oceanic 815, whose lives were spared (and not spared) by the Island because its precious Ben needed medical help that only Jack could provide. Which would mean that Jin is IN FACT DEAD. As is anyone NOT lucky enough to come back with the ship. In the end, we focus on Jack because he IS THE REASON that the island caused the place to crash in the first place. Because Ben needed him.
BTW, I believe that the 6th survivor was revealed Thursday. It was Michael. I don't know how he was able to go back and not puncture the paradox - perhaps Walt helped. But when Michael returns with the 6, I believe that Walt will pay the price. Walt will be just as dead as everyone else on the island. The guilt of everything that he has done, and the advanced age he has put on by being sent back through a time wormhole by Ben will cause him to the be the body in the casket. Mourned by no one, especially not his only son (who truly DIED on Oceanic flight 815).
Meanwhile, Jack is crushed by guilt knowing that because of his escape from the island, everyone else who could have lived did not. And by the knowledge that HE was the man the island wanted in the first place. He wants a redo, but the surviving Oceanic 5 know that is not possible. The secret they share? They are already dead. And how does someone live with that? -
Think I missed that chat.
So it will have the gang holding Widmore hostage, whose face is actually a mask, and once off reveals him as Jack's dad, "I would have got a way with it if wasn't for you pesky kid"....poon .. LOST
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I am on that boat
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Now now, c'mon let's stay based in reality here...
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Maybe this one will. I think the whole thing is about redumtion. Play the video game and you will see what I mean. Although I recomend renting it. Spoiler alert((((((Lindelof and JJ are Dark Tower fans, if you haven't read them, do so. According to the concordance the last volume is subtitled Redumption. I think these survivors have to redeem their uniformily screwed up lives and the island gives them that chance. I still think Widmore has the journals from the black rock, who I think are the orginal hostiles who do not age, or do so at an incredibly slow rate, wants to find the island because he is an old dying man who has everything in life except mortality, will do anything in his means to find it and kill anyone who figures out how to get there and wants to live there by himself as an immortal.
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...that no other Oceanics turned up at Sun's.
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Hurley decked to the nines. Sun is the best looking woman on the show. maybe he is like on of those wedding crashers dudes....I am just kidding of course. I was deeply moved by last nights episode and am only making a joke. She is a pretty woman though and hurley is only human. Kinda wierd seeing Hurley all done up. used to hime in ripped up clothes or hospital gowns. Still I loved that episode. Sun and Jins characters, whom I did not particularly care much for in the begining, are just spectacular in their respective roles. My hat, if I wore one, goes off to all involved in this great show, which I think will go down in history as one of the best and smartest shows ever produced.
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the final dark tower book in the concordance is resumption not redumtion. Hey, if you have to misspell a work that makes you look like a dummy, that one would have been it. Feel free to make fun of me for that one, I deserve it.
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becomes: Brodarlton, I would humbly request, Brody, that you find another Widmore/Des connection. My left shoulder depends on it.
How, you ask?
Girlfriend likes to do that, turn and punch the arm thing when she is suprised, angry, teased...several others. A combination of these things means a harder punch. If you have Des and Pen to be 1/2 sibs, she will dislocate my shoulder. Please - Have mercy, my friend.
And your patience is now legendary.
Sorry brighteyes. I guess I'm still a fuckup. Didn't die last night. Sorry to disappoint you. -
Cheif, you asked...
I think Widmore keeps Des in play because he, like Ms Hawking, knows what Des is SUPPOSED to do and knows better than to defy... er.. fate - you know, "course correction" and all that...
Also, I like your meteorite idea - aren't all the strange properties of the island supposed to be caused by an incredibly high concentration of Holmium - or is that just a theory?
So the compass/instruments aboard the Black Rock start freaking out, they see a shooting star - HEADING STRAIGHT FOR THEM - it hits the water nearby with such ferocity the ship goes UNDER a great big tidal wave and emerges... in the middle of an island!
The writer of the ship's log had no way of knowing this but the island itself was actually CREATED by the impact of the meteorite and the fact it was almost pure Holmium - now scattered throughout the whole region - meant that those few who survived began to experience strange phenomena - the result of the island itself becoming a giant magnetic flux concentrator (not quite a flux capacitor!) - anyway you get the picture... -
it would be cool to find out jack's dad knocked up des's mom as well
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You are a smutpeddler.
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I feel a little bit cheated. I'm not sure if I can have any kind of emotional attachment to Desmonds flashback anymore - did it even happen? Did it change? It doesn't reeeeally make any sense anymore if Desmond has gone into the future and is aware things are going to go a bit wrong, and he needs to call Penny in 8 years.. Maybe they will explain it. Maybe this course-correction means its 'roughly' the same time-line.
Also with regards to those folks talking about all these connections being just 'coincidence'. I wish this not to be true. I don't think it can be. But... just to throw fuel into the fire, here is an interesting read, the transcript of the speech by Carlton Cuse taken from Season 2 DVD, 'Lost Connections' special feature.
"Have you ever sat next to someone at a bar and felt that your paths have crossed before? Has the thought ever crossed your mind that the stranger behind you at the store would become a significant part of your life? In 1929, a Hungarian writer (Frigyes Karinthy) put forth the idea that anyone of us could name any one person among the earth's billions of inhabitants and through, at most 5 acquaintances, connect that person back to themselves. He called it "The Theory of Centrality". Today it's more commonly known as "Six-Degrees of Separation". Look at the pictures: seemingly random people.
(Photos of random peoples shown) Do you know any of them? Do any of them know you? Do any of them know someone you know? Odds are that the answer to anyone of these questions is yes. Perhaps they've crossed paths with you, or a loved one, years ago at work, at home, on a trip. Throughout the world, connections are constantly being made. Which begs the question; are chance encounters a matter of coincidence, or a matter of fate? Open your eyes and look around you. Mathematically, in a world of billions, is the theory plausible? And if so, is it possible that seemingly random connections have significance? Are these meetings mere chance? Or could there be a larger picture that has yet to come into focus? The only thing we can be sure of is: in the beginning, it all starts with one person" (Screen with Jack Shephard appears.)
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It is of my humble opinion, that the '96 Des forgot everything after he told Penny he would call her in eight years. That way, the story is not diminished in any way and there would not be any paradoxyms
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Hey gang....Maniaq...I like your theory that Widmore knows Des's special...and his "path" must not be altered...except to say...he shouldn't be with Penny.
So...perhaps Widmore visited Malkin...and asked about this Desmond/Penny romance...and Malkin got this chilling look in his eye...and told Charles..."Look...There's something about this Hume fellow...something...unexplainable...But trust me...He must not marry your daughter. Bad things will come her way, Mr. Widmore...Horrible tragedy will befall Penny if this romance continues...But no harm must come to Desmond Hume, Charles. Desmond...has work to do."...
There...that sound better...and less creepy than crossing the 1/2 sibling boundary? Malkin hasn't reared his ugly head head in a while.
Perhaps this theory will be easier on the pallette and Edshrinker's left shoulder. I could also just amount to the fact that if Widmore kills Des...He knows someone or something will be coming after HIM.
But the bastard son angle gives it that shameful, dark, ugly secret that would cause Charles to go so far out of his way to get rid of Desmond....but not kill his only "son".
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What the hell is that Harry character animation suppose to be doing up in the left hand corner of the page?
Harry....dressed as Indiana Jones in the Well of Lost Souls...panting and puffing like a fat bastard...but...that's it?
Unlike most of those, there's no frickin' pay off...is there? Am I missing something? Does his face melt off...eventually? Does the picture zoom out and he's standing in the ladies room? I mean...WTF?!!
Please tell me it's not gonna stay like this until May 22nd when Indy 4 drops...and THEN something "cool" will happen. It's pretty lame. -
Like I said, I could only HEAR it through Yahoo sports, and it was the UW play by play. so it was biased. But I have to agree - let them freaking play. We don't enjoy watching refs blow whistles and free throws. Both teams are physical, its a wash. Let them bang it out. The way we shoot FT, you it was actually to your advantage to put us on the line, however. MSU didn't deserve to be handicapped by the refs. That being said - we are the better team. Just sayin. You did play a great game though and the foul outs were a joke.
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does love himself, doesn't he? How did he move so far up the ladder?
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of the TB with 5000+ posts. Until I saw it was 3 months old with the same 3 guys. Good for them - the sweet smell of friendship.
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It completely fills out the very basic, unadorned theory I have stating that Flight 815 and the passenger manifest itself are one huge, grossly elaborate way that the universe is "course correcting" itself. Also, the idea that Des and Penny are at the center of the entire story is starting to become clearer and clearer. Well spoken.
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Bastard son does carry more weight. I think you guys are on to something though with the idea that because Wideload knows the future, he also knows Des has important work to do. Living happily ever after with his daughter does not serve HIS greater plan. He doesn't care about Penny's happiness. He cares about his own evil plan, wealth, and power. Des is a tool and someone he knew he could manipulate because of the love he has for his daughter. And when Widmore is done with him, will he let his daughter have happiness with the guy she loves? Probably not if Des knows too much.
But Des and Penny may have a suprise dad in the end
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You were wondering about what to do during the Lost hiatus? Here's what we did last year! http://tinyurl.com/yqx6hg
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I knew that's where you were taking me when it took the page over a minute to load on my high speed cable modem!
I'm afraid that is NOT going to be an answer this time...And I'd like you all to seriously consider joining The Fuselage, or The Black Rock, or one of those threaded boards that we can meet up at...and be able to EDIT our posts...and put spoiler material in hidden "spoiler font"...add pictures...and be able to have the pages load QUICKLY each time we open the damn thing.
I'm a member over at The Fuselage...it's free to sign up...you just give them an e-mail address and they send you a password. I volunteer to set up a room for us that we can meet up in beginning May 23rd to discuss LOST without silly trollers, baiters and various idiots polutting the discussions. There's even an "iggy" feature that makes posters you dislike posts to not even show up! I hate to say it, but there's a few in this talkback I'd like to iggy (Know who you are, young Skywalker/Sick Fixx).
Once the season ends, everyone over there meets up in the LOST general discussion forum. I'd create a room/talkback called Aint It Coolers...and we can discuss away. When you call up the 'Lage, they list EVERYONE who is logged onto the site, and you can instantly see if any of your pals are online...and even what thread they are reading/posting in.
It's not a pain in the ass at all...and imagine the core 20 of us AICN Lost talkbackers with all our crazy theories and ideas multiplied by 5,000 hard core LOST fans. The discussions are always very enlightening. Go check it out, at least.
www.thefuselage.com
Something to think about over the next couple of months. Now...after seeing Room 23 again...and it's classic "I'm Sick!! Of Lying!!"...I'd like everone to give your predictions as to what the next "classic line" will be on May 22nd, the day of the S4 finale. My guess:
"We Must Take Off...NOW!"
Your thoughts?
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Jack: "It's over"
Sayid: "No my friend. I'm afraid it is just beginning"
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its as the chopper flies away from the island.
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Do you normally just jump in the linear board or do you go to the Season 4 threaded board. Any subscriptions?
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Is the last line in Season 4.
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I'd like something like that - but, I liked the smallness of Room 23 too - that is, you had the same 6-12 regulars, plus some frequent repeat guests. But everyone was still able to post. I think that was why I kept going back. If it's not too huge, I'll check out another TB/forum. rb or 4we8 also set up a room at the Zone, here at AICN, but I only went there once or twice. So, I guess it'd be cool to get the old gang back together, plus add the new bunch that we have now, but not get too huge, yet keep it open to everyone. Does that make sense?
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Is it Jin? Claire? Anyone want to put up odds? SPOILER - Looks like Lapidus was taking freighter guys with guns to the island for a battle! Could Sawyer get shot up?
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I bet it's Claire. Since she's not with the Six in the future.
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On second watch of the episode, Hurley and Sun sure referred to Jin in the past tense. If he were still alive on the Island, and they knew it, I think their tone of voice would be different. So - he either died on the island, before Sun is rescued, or he's still alive on the island. But there's no way his body is really buried there in Korea - how could it be? Alive or Dead, he's still on the island. No other option makes sense.
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But why else is Aaron with Kate?
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I bet the chopper pilot is going back to the island to recruit the other others. They attack Locke's camp, and capture Ben.
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Think on it: Every major character has Daddy Issues. Jack and his dad, Ben and his Dad, Penny and her Dad, Desmond with his 'should be father in law', Locke and his Dad, Walt and Micheal, Kate and her blown up stepdad, Sun and her father, Jin with Sun's father and his own fisherman father who he is ashamed of, the dead blonde girl and her father who she loved but died and left her broke (remember her?), Sawyer and his dad who killed his family, Hurley and his dad who abandoned him only to come back for the cash, So Sayid and Charlie didn't really have that issue but Charlie did have Big Brother, surrogate father style issues, I mean really, the Daddy Issues really pile up on this show. I bet Jacob is going to turn out to be someone's daddy. I really miss Eko. Damn he was solid bit of work.
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gets shot. That's why he doesn't want to talk about it with Kate.
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WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THE SMOKE!!
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WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THE SMOKE!!
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I don't know about anyone else, but I really liked Jin. Even with the language barrier he was a firm, quiet, helpful presence and his flashbacks made him a much more sympathetic character. I'm crying, on the inside. Fuck you, DUI curse!
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Look, theyre gonna have to show when he dies. Main character and all. But now it wont be shocking, might even be anticlimactic regardless of how they show it. Hes alive
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is there definitive evidence that it was a flashback? would be cooler if it was a flashforward, and not just a trick.
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Please shoot yourself, thanks.
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Beat It Douche!
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Me included but Skywalker is a jerk and has been for a while, just let people have fun, your the guy who has to bring everyone down, your debbie downer. Team Jack!
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Hey! HE DIED! Sorry, but it's true.
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It's called LOST, a show where ANYTHING can happen, doesn't mean I or anyone else agrees with it but there's no need to come down on the guy for something he thinks.
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Charlie himself said he was dead. You guys are just making stuff up again. Lost isn't a show where stuff just happens. Everything is laid out.
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Yeah, it's laid out now, but they had no idea how it was gonna end back in the beginning. I think it was just the last year or so the writers said they figured out the ending and told us exactly how many episodes we had left. All you people who use shit from the older episodes to fit and help prove your theories are barking up the wrong tree. A lot of it's just red herrings.
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are you like 14 years old I'd be willing to put a wager that your not older then that. The way you articulate yourself is extremely childish, You guys are just making stuff up?? What is that?? the guy who posted the comment said he looked like Charlie but probly wasnt, he wasn't making up rumors, he just said what he thought the guy looked like, anyway the only justification for the things you write has to be young age and not being able to grasp people talking about the show you take it so personal. Team Jack!
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Are you talking about Jin? If so he was using his real name, presumably an official representative of Park Automotive, and if he was supposed to be dead it wouldn't make sense. It would have been cool, but alas it looks like he bit it. Shit.
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all joking aside, why don't we all get back to discussing the show. I didn't read the above link, but I always figured Nadia would show up again somehow especially after she appeared in Charlie's episode. Speaking of Sayid, how do you think Ben convinced Sayid to work for him? It's something to do with protecting his friends. But what is he protecting him from? Abaddon? I hope we get a lot more Abaddon during the last five episodes.
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crying when your stupid ass theory is debunked.
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the story ends. He also knows who's in the coffin, so if you want to know, pay him lots of money.
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Hopefully will get stuck into it tonight. Would be interesting to know what effect Lost has had on its sales, ok not like the "Oprah" effect but am sure its something significant
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With some of the things you have said, some of the innane questions you have asked, how in the hell do you come off ripping others? Was it just 2 days ago YOU were the one being torn apart for stupidity? Speaking of which, I am now going to have to track down trollkiller and apologize to him. He was right about you after all. You have every right to post, but as Michael said to Tobias, "you have no what you sound like, do you?" I guess I'll take the chubby. I can't seem to get one in the can. Tobias, you blow hard! (funniest "NEXT: On Arrested Development. Ever.
Four We Ate (Paul): Everything eventually gets put up, sometimes it takes longer all based on availability (strong with it being HBO) and popularity (never heard of what you are referring to). YOu can try this link too - if it is not here, it does not exist yet as a torrent:
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what you sound like, do you. And the quote is probably off - I just remember neve laughing so hard in my life when Tobias DID record himself all day - and found no problem with anything he said.
How did that award winning show, media darling, and supurb cast not stay on the air? Oh, yeah. Fox Tv. -
Just to point out, young skywalker, that those in glass houses...
Matthew Fox was OFFERED the opportunity to know who was in the coffin, and said no - he did not need to know to do the scene. Again, you show your ignorance.
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Maybye he does make it off the island but is in hiding. His life is at stake for leaving Korea and his job.
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CBS did not black out the Big 10 games, it was WRAL. They always get the local broadcast of the ACC Tourney. And I wish I had seen the post over the weekend, because Big 10 was on TWC on channel 256.
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where he had mastered English and Daniel Dae Kim got to speak normally, ala Heroes.
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during the hiatus a aicn thread on the fuselage sounds good
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The 'lage is a great place to talk LOST.
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the panda was a gift for the baby of a client/business partner.. My guess is that Paik has something to do with the island.. anyone remember the old screenshot with the Island on the tv in Paik's office. Think it was season 1.
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one and all, im still drunk....
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Y'all were busy as hell over the weekend, huh? I tried to read it all, but ended up skimming most.
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Starting maybe in December, I started to watch Lost. Never saw a second of the show before, but had heard good things about it. So I watched the first season, then bought the second season and watched it, and did the same with the third season. I can say it is one of the best shows ever. I feel like I am on that island (and wish I was!) and the world of Lost is exciting and mysterious. I hate it that I am JUST getting into the show, but at least I am caught up and enjoying being Lost, hahaha. The most recent show was good, certainly better than last weeks, but no episodes of this season compare to the one before that, with the time travelling Des. That show was Lost at its finest, and proof that the creators haven't lost (hahaha) any momentum. Viva La Lost!
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there's alot of arguing above about when jin died and all that business. i personally feel he is dead rather than still alive on the island because sun's emotions were too mournful at the gravesite. no wife would visit a fake tombstone. so IF jin were alive then sun definately doesn't know about it.
now, when jack told his story on the witness stand for kate, he said 8 had survived the crash and two died on the island. so the collective lie according to the oceanic six says jin dies on the island, after the crash. has to be. they lied about the events and they included jin as one of the eight initial survivors because sun got pregnant on the island and that would be proof of a lie if anyone decided to dig about the date of conception. so to cover their tracks, the lie included some version of the story where jin dies on the island AFTER THE CRASH.
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Just wanted to echo node. Welcome
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About the ending Its all about the Journey, do people really take predicting things that seriously. Its all fun , guessing and theorizing, you don't have to be right, thats not the point I'm done with sky but Even after I called you on your childish behavior you posted two more things that were much more childish. Lost is all in good fun and the talkbacks should be two, people shouldn,t get mad when someone has a crazy theory, doesn't mean they can't tell the person it's crazy, they just don't have to be a prick about things.
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yea i agree the exact DOC is a non-issue for most of the world because why would anyone feel the need to question when Sun got pregnant? The only thing that I could see someone question is the fact that a Korean doctor found Jin to be infertile...although he only told Sun that in secret.
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This thread is done. People are STILL arguing about the Oceanic Six?
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Now he's backpedaling like most of you with shitty Lost theories. Yeah Widemore knows everyone on the island. Uh yeah, I don't believe that one for a second.
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He thinks no one can adapt Shakespeare.
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With all the special douches that can only post their dumbass therories.
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show me photos of any REAL airline crash where the plane broke apart thousands of feed in the air, and large portions of the fuselage landed intact, such that survivors walked away.
doesn't happen. All you find are bits of airplane the size of your head, and bits of humans the size of theirs.
I think *POSTULATION WARNING POSTULATION WARNING* that nobody was on a plane. That somehow a group of people were subjected to electromagnetic radiation and began suffering time-jump sickness ala Desmond. To cure them, people from their pasts were abducted and brought to the island in order to locate and connect 'constants' to cure them. Thats why everyone seems to have a passing interaction with everyone else - its a big 'find your constant' party and we'll find out that half the survivors are actually Dharma people, and the flashbacks we're seeing in the episodes are incidents where they are experiencing timejump flashes like Desmond did. Anyway that's my theory. The plane crash was faked to explain why so these people were suddenly gone missing now. The memories of being in an airport were given to them by the video brainwashing that we saw when the young boy was rescued by Kate and Sawyer. -
For pointing out that, in honor of St. Paddy's Day, that the Dummy McDumbfuck SkywalkerFamily is in fact a dumb fuck. SHE seems to have got a new shipment of sand in her vagina today.Eddy, I will be in the States again in late summer. If you would like to engage in combat at that time I will be more then happy to oblige ye then laddy. Good day to ye poor bastards not lucky enough to have be birthed on the Isle of Emerald. Now where are me Lucky Charms and potatos?
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It's entertaining watching everyone back track.
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Again, sorry for realizing this was a private talkback that somehow got on the main site. You guys can go back to posting attacks at each other.
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YOung Skywalker, Yoda would have shoved his staff up your ass and told you to give in to your hate. Maybe the Sith will take you.
Congrats the the Heels rbrog. I have Direct TV - that wouldn't have helped. but thanks. The onlt team I am worried about in the Midwest is GTown, but they had a rough Tourney. You knocked us out in the elite 8 a few years ago. Maybe we can return the favor in the final 4. Not. Holding. Breath.
Thelast of the O6? Vincent. The media LOVES Labs. Vin (as he now likes to be called) is a superstar in his own right (picturing shades and a backwards ballcap). Becomes the new Hollywood "it" guy instead of Shia LeBarf. Just sub Vin in on the new poster holding the straps of a bag (crystal skull slightly visable in bag) in his mouth, head held high.
Indy: "Snakes. I hate snakes"
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As stated above - you have already kicked my ass, as I stand most certainly corrected. I am a fool. Bows head. Mutters. Scratches self. Walks off.
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Outside the box. Interesting. So the plane Ben and the Others see is empty, the "passengers" are then quickly positioned in the spots where they come to. The problem is, I'm sure there were plenty of witnesses to them boarding that plane. Air traffic control watching it go off screen. So - they were gassed, plane landed and they were all removed, brainwashed, positioned on the island - all in a matter of hours.
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One of the best refs in the league. I've heard that too. He is certainly the most active. He really thinks he is part of the show - he should go to the NBA. Where every missed shot was a foul. I don't have my bracket in front of me - where is MSU? I know IU is in the East. You do a bracket yet? Rbrog? BigE?
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You can't have UNC as winners in each region. They only play in the East. So you are going to have to pick 3 other teams for your Final 4.
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No One Likes You. Your a disgrace to all Lost fans in My opinion. Your everything Lost fans should NOT be. Go watch Heroes and be apart of that crowed. It's painfully obvious that your are a thorn in the side of all the talkbackers here, while others of us may get in to arguments or debates we always use common sense and rational thinking unlike you who worse then a troll is one in disguise.
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Okay, not sure what kind of unc fan you have around you, but I'm very practical. Not real convinced of their defense...even with a total of 2 losses.
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different from him. Probably a Buffy fan.
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LAST!
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You are one of the few. I listen to WFNZ out of Charlotte and UNC fans can really make an ass of themselves. At least they don't have to watch "the ugliest cheerleaders" in the world though. Poor Dukies. Even those Wiscosin farm girls - they find a couple cute ones that won't collapse the pyramid. But my God - they need to go to downtown Durham and recruit a couple whores to cheer for them. I'd watch that.
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dude, you're footnoting this thread with 8 and 9 different responses all telling people they are dumbasses.
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Nearly 30 wins. Conference Champs. Tourney Champs. Yet GTown gets the 2? Don't get it. I like our position though.
Chicks will pick the cute bird most of the time, but because of the abs from 300, they might go with Spartans. You realize this is important since a dumb chick from accounting will have the only perfect bracket. And she will pick by pretty uniforms or cute mascot. -
BigE...1st off...I liked the "smallness" of Room 23 as well....and at the 'Lage, you can limit access to the room as well. It can be as exclusive as you want...from Members Only...to Invite Only...personally...I'd like to leave it open to all comers...you can always "iggy" the annoying few.
But that's just it...there are so few annoying idiots there because they are all huge LOST fans...committed to the show...in for the long haul...not expecting answers every 23 seconds! I have a feeling if we create a room in the AICN Zone, we will still have to put up with lots of LOST haters, baiters, trolls and other assholes. The Fuselage would be a far safer choice, IMO.
Ed...I am always in the THREADED boards...the linear board is the equivilent of this talkback...open to any Tom, Dick & Harry passing by. During the season I post in whichever episode we just saw thread. They do not open an episode thread until AFTER it has aired for spoiler reasons. But fear not...there are at least 2 Spoiler threads where you can be spoiled to death if you wish.
But like I said...once the season is done...you can still post in the Season 4 finale episode threads (The 'Lage's equivilent of our own Room 23)...or you can just jump over to the LOST General Discussion forum...and create your own rooms there.
Best thing about it is the 'Lage is monitored. You get a beef with some idiot who is offensive to you, or appears to be 14 years old with perhaps a 4th grade education...you can report that person to the moderators...they will investigate the alleged offensive posts...and take action. 3 warnings and you are banned from the 'Lage. They even "step in" in a heated flame war and warn all participants to stop or they will close the thread down....and they get a warning. So, I don't want to make it sound like it's all peaches & cream over there...there are heated debates...but that's what makes chatting about LOST so much fun! Bottom line is...you can tell someone you think their theory sucks....but if you make it sound in any way like "YOU SUCK for having that stupid theory"...You get a one way ticket to banned town.
Skywalker revealed himself to me as NOT a true fan of the show when he said Danielle got to the island BEFORE Dharma did. From that point on, I realized he was "amateur hour" and a LOST fan poseur trying to fit in. He reminds me of the Kid from Princess Bride...who always interrupted the story when Grandpa read something he didn't agree with. "Wait, Grandpa...you read that wrong! Wesley can't die! He has to marry Buttercup and kill Humperdinck! Read it again! He must kill Humperdinck!! He just HAS TO!"...Imagine the frustration in Fred Savage's face...and that is how I see Skywalker's face scrunching up when he reads one of our silly theories he doesn't agree with....or comprehend.
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...is he for real? I mean, this is a LOST TB - crazy personal theories abound, right?Sounds to me like someone didn't get their bottle or their diaper changed this morning...
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Uh yeah, are you 13?
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Till Lost Returns. Team Jack!
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So I made a mistake on a detail, and suddenly I'm not a Lost fan? This coming from a guy who thinks Widemore owns Oceanic?
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Everyone should just Ignore Sky, if no one responds to his idiotic post then he'll wear himself out, He's just a kid anyway they tend to keep rambling till no one pays attention, The kid doesn't get enough attention in life and needs people to respond to him even if its negatively . from here on out lets not give him ammo for the gun thats pointed at his foot.
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Georgia were SEC champs...sorry
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Ah well, back to some real Lost forum.
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Secret - I don't like our bracket. Indi or Ark in 2nd game for an overall #1? Add ND, Louisville, Tenn et al later on? geez.......
But I'm a firm believer in GT...not tech, town. Great defense, seasoned players who were in F4 last year. Total package.
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button just don't get along, hey Bright Eyes? Good thing you weren't in the hatch. Oh yeah. Locke forced Des to blow it up anyway. Has Locke ever run into anything he doen't want to shoot, knife, or blow up?
I joined the Fuselage, it is quite the site. I don't know - having mods throwing out warnings over something as light as the example you gave? Seems a little fascist.
;>) j/k
I'll go with the flow. I think the idea would go over better if you started a private room for AICN LOST TBers in the last week of the show and a few of us break it in, then invite people over after MKJ finale. I'm game Brody.
You'll have to explain to me how to do an avatar. HAve a pic of my black lab I'll intro as Vincent's brother Bucky. ( I know you recognize that name Big 10 dudes).
Heading over there now to take look.
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Does anyone read Korean? I don't. The Tombstone has THREE dates, 1980, 3,20; 1974, 11,27; and 2004, 9,22. Sept 22, 2004 was the date of? The crash? That's when Jin died? Or are they memoralizing 2 deaths, Jin AND Sun? Are they faking their deaths? The only seperation is Sun is off the island, and Jin is still on the island. Sun is crying at the grave, but is because he's dead or because they're seperated? Could the tombstone be her AND Jin's tombstone?!! I know it's late, but it took me 4 days to think of it.
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Maybe he didn't want to go back to work for Mr. Paik. Jin was being followed at the airport, and Sun was told to leave Jin at the airport, but she didn't, and maybe she faked her death to rid herself of that?
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Does Michael still have it? I'd like a scene where Michael gives Jin the watch back.
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come on - you KNOW how this is gonna go - there's gonna be a talkback for next week's show and THAT talkback is gonna be STILL GOING six weeks later!
You know it to be true...
...and to all those people who have chosen to discuss OTHER SHIT that has nothing to do with Lost - that includes theories on other talkbacker's age/mental health/etc - IT'S TRUE this week's episode had SO LITTLE to discuss but really WHAT IS THE POINT? Do you really have so little else to do with your time? If so, lemme know coz I got a whole TON of stuff I can get you to work on in your free time... -
You get multiple crap theories times ten!
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Is kinda annoying...It just sends you an e-mail to let you know someone has posted a new comment to a thread you are watching.
What I do is...I go to my User Profile page...and select "All Posts By Me"...they all pop up...from Day 1...in chronological order dating backward from the most recent. I click on the first one...and it takes my back to my last post...and I can read any new postsin that thread from that point forward. There are also color coded icons that let you know if that thread is RED hot with activity and posts...or icy BLUE...which means nobody has posted anything since your last post.
Maniaq...we certainly aren't going to abandon the Meet Kevein Johnson talkback in between Next Friday & April when the show resumes Season 4...we're talking about jumpin' ship AFTER the S4 finale in May...and spend the next 8 months in a more user friendly enviroment that has way more features than this lovable old piss hole...I mean no disrespect to Room 23...but it was frustrating waiting for that thing to load after every post...or when you first log on. I say we give AICN bandwidth a breather...we hit our 10,000 posts...we can't get any higher than that before the white screen of death envelopes us...what is the point of hanging out here?
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Does Widemore own everything? He owns the island, and Dharma and Oceanic, and yet he's at war with Ben?
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SIMMA-DON-NA!
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Got it. Got it. Gotilk...
Where the hell has gotilk gone?
Buddy, where are you? Been ages. You didn't get a DUI in Hawaii, did you?
Young Skywalkaaaa (doing my best Palpatine). Hint. Clue. Impression. Intuition. Gut Feeling.
Which one of these things are you struggling with? Without anyone actually being hateful enough to type, "why are you posting to the - moving to the 'lage discussion - when it is quite obvious..." Ah, forget it.
Kettle, may I introduce, Black. -
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I wamna hear another wacky Brody theory! C'MON BRODY!!!
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I hope it doesn't explode before they all get off the island.
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thought of a good name for the Sayid and Des spinoff? They ought to cast Vincent in the "HuggyBear" type pimp/informant role, however.
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there sure to be the best, But Fuck Locke. Team Jack!
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When you picked Sayid and Desmonds team, by the by your team will lose! Team Jack!
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and Michael could have been attacked. I bet some eyes were raised when people saw Michael wearing that watch.
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Put a pimp hat on the smoke monster and you've got something.
I'll give you a new 'wacky' theory, Skywalker...as soon as you share one of your own...and it better be longer than a one sentence douchebag effort.
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...yeah, I know. But still.
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When Ben looked up his information on the Oceanic flight manifest, he would have known that about Jin.
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the short Ray bradbury story, now that is one of my favorite time travel stories cause it goes against all what were suppose to believe how time travel works. and why do you others still get offended by sky just ignore him or your going to encourage his idiocy and when you do, I have to read it and stoop to his level. Team Mother Fucking Jack! Mother Fuckers!
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kudos at least you stick to your team, already two of my friends Who loved Locke at his best and joined team Locke have already jumped ship and tried to deny that they Love him. those hypocrites. Team Jack!
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I never attacked you, but you personally attacked me in every post. Please learn how to use paragraphs, too thanks.
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Someone's finally tired of being hated. Off to work. have fun guys.
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Scans are up
RICHARD!!!
http://tinyurl.com/2kc3zd
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Because he knows Christian Shepard.
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They are both doomed teams, kids. One will do no better than the other. Sure...Looks like Jack's team at least made it off the island...but are they any better off because of it? Jack poppin Oxy's and standin' on bridge railings...Sayid is Ben's "bitch"...Sun's best friend is a fat guy who defected from Locke's camp!
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1. Harold P. is way too happy to be back to be the one killed this week
2. Josh H. seems disarming and NOTHING like Sawyer when you hear him in interviews
3. Jorge and Hurley are the same guy, aren't they, dude?
4. Evangeline has 80s mall hair in that clip.
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and toooootallly redeem yourself
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Remember how they say, SOMEONE WILL DIE, and then Nikki and Paulo die. I bet it's someone like Danielle who dies.
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What's wrong with popping Oxys?
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Jesus man - you might wanted to spoilertag that, buddy!
I'm not sure Xiphos, Kate in court look so fuckable in that makeup and tight skirt. -
Anytime you find yourself typing "TV GUIDE SAYS"....or..."DARK UFO SAID"...or..."KRISTIN FROM E! SAID"....
Ya might wanna think about throwin' up a spoiler alert, dude. Some people would rather go into Meet Kevin Johnson WITHOUT knowing that lil tidbit.
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He gets a visit like Hurley got from Chaw-lee on the nut house lawn.
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Michel's is a flashback after he left the island and gets a visit from Tom. Tom was just in Juliet's episode two weeks ago.
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Cause Widemore owns everything.
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Team Jack is more popular, sure, and I must agree that Team Saymond (technically Team Jack?) has the skills to pay the bills. But despite Hugo's eventual defection I don't think he will be in on the whole journey of Team Locke and I have faith J-Loc will learn from his mistakes, get strategery, and throw down a pantload of pwnage over the last part of this season.But yeah. Not looking the brightest right now. Jack and Company are racking up a strong lead this opening half.
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For about 10 posts Sky. I give up. And you know what - Widdy has enough Chedar to own anything -and ANYBODY he wants. Tom seems like Ben's bitch, but if Widmore wanted him, he'd have him.
Kate does belong to the "would just shut up and look pretty" camp. Bitch can't take an order. (looks around for girlfriend peering over shoulder...whew)
Just thinking - I'm am very grateful we don't have a razor allergic feminazi as a regular. There's one at one of the ST Movie sites (Jules luvz shizon or some shit like that). I'm being a real pig, but she is ultra sensitive and is on there 24/7. Never posted, never will. No big loss for them. Or me. -
She lies about everything, yet, she gets cool with Jack.
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Notice how the Smoke Monster tries to eat people?
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and Claire's beautiful, scrumptious, tight ass are three of the reasons I love this show.
I would not throw Kate or Sun (the two chicks we KNOW regularly put out) out of bed for eating crackers, but you sure as shit can't trust them. Come to think of it, Claire is the only trustworthy one, and she turned prudish after she got knocked up.
I can't help but think Chaaaalie never got that sweet ass before he died.
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like I like Kidney Stones.
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Tiny URL buddy. Put it on your toolbar.
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You find the HBO show you were looking for?
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If it wasn't a reference before, it is now. Juliet's rack is a major asset to Team Jack.
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with a FB of Chaaaalie's Ghost "flashing" to the past to be the one to knock up Claire. Turiphead would be his and we know he got a little even though it was a ghost penis. (But obviously not ghost sperm).
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Claire's scrumptious pooper is an asset. C'mon Cholera -you're better than that.
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Do not fear. The backlash ABC would get if they even harmed a hair on a Lab Retriever's paw...
He'll stay behind with Lacke and the others - but be rescued when Jack goes baaaaaack
Unless you buy into Vin being an apparation of Smokie. He does tend to lead our Losties into and out of a lot of shit.
Missing Pieces 13 sealed the deal for me that he is a real pooch.
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Let me scratch my scrot 1st. Alright.
It says on this youtube video Chaaaalie had plenty of air to breath:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80q4U5Wfq9o
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I have to believe she's at least 18 pre knock up. I have to. Too young for me, but then again, I teach a freshman Intro to Psych class. I could tell you some stories of these 18-19yr olds and male (and some female) faculty. I like my job too much, but good God, how can you not look when they stand there in hiphuggers sucking on their pens.
I like me a girl witha nice oral fixation.
I shall continue to lust over Claire and convince myself "notjailbaitnotjailbaitnotjailbait".
Believe it or not, Emilie de Ravin turns 27 in December.
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Could be a serious FLASH BACK. Before Mike ever boarded 815. We know Tommy liked his disguises...perhaps this is a pre-crash visit? And Michael never recognized him on the island...with all the beard and spirit gum.
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The physics of this were discussed at length. Yes - technically the room would have flooded to the porthole. It was a small error, so we must stretch our imagination and say - maybe he knew he had to die, so he took the water in purposefully (right after he crossed himself). If not, he died a horrible death, trapped in that room, slowly sufficating from breathing his own exhales. O2 would have run out eventually. And Des left. So Chaaaaalie said it best to Hurley, "I AM dead. I am also here." Whatever the hell that means.
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And sailing off in a fully stocked, brand new sailboat.
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I'M LOOKING FOR WAAAAALLLLT!!!
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He was universally hated at the start, but now he's so gosh darn loveable.
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You are right.
Now I feel dirty.
WAIT! 17 is the age of consent in N.C. You just have a double wide trailer.
NC has strange laws.
Who were the fuckers you were referring to? The other Marines? How do you know they weren't just talking out the ass Like most 18-20 year olds do? College girls have things for older guys - I am just disqualfied because of my job. You sir, on the other hand...
I have set several of my buddies up with girls taking one of the classes I teach. And then I stare them down with a look of hateful envy when I hear what I miss.
Got a great girl (too good for me) and a job I love. But - just one time....
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Most probably already know - but I have never asked. Are you in right now? Where are you stationed?
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Good to see Holland Manners and Gavin Park together again... for the first time. Surprised Herc didn't comment on this, Whedon fetishist that he is.
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Uh...Yeah, I'll go along with that, but let's just call it a nice ass, shall we?
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Your little rants continue to prove what dumb ass you are. Keep digging that hole.
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is online, in case anyone is interested. Chud has a link to it (on Yahoo movies).
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But still some great stuff to read. Thank you. Just stopping in to say hi.
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it is you who have dug your self in a whole that cannot be forgotten my friend. Your branded now, You like Sick fix will be remembered for being a huge A hole of talkbacks though to be honest you make Sickfix look like a saint, cause unlike you Sick fix says some stupid things but still uses rationality and will debate with what someone says to him, all you do is not acknowledge a post and type a half baked insult as a comeback. I know I said I was done pointing out how stupid you are but I can't read these post and see you try to insult people and keep quiet, your the most hated in this talkback and you try to play off like your not and insult others, Fuck that, if they won't say how stupid you are I sure as hell Will. Team Jack!
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go ahead Sky insult my grammar, As for Lost. Saymond is an offshoot of Team Jack therefore still part of our team weather you like it or nott. Team Jack!
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Ok,....1st off...Skywalker is insane. That said...Pa Burrows may be succumbing to the sickness as well.
He's talkin CRAZY.
OK...folks...I just beat the fuck outta a dude for NOT payin my buddie's band. It was bad, I assure you. Ok........so...now................ Where were we?
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you have proved to be consistently cool around here. Team Jack!
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Mother fuckin, Michael. THAT dude. Big WHOOPDEE FREAKIN DOO!
Another jackass.
Guess what? He's a fuckin DEAD MAN. He will die a miserable death.
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Michael will choke to death on his own VOMIT....Do I make myself clear?
Harrold may seem estatic that he is gettin paid so much by LOST ri8te now...but guess what?
This douche LEFT the Matrix series to get PAID more than his character was worth. His ass was CUT OUT of the 2nd & 3rd movies. This crack rock mother fucker is just fukkin happy he is suckin JJ Abrams dick right now that his stoopid ass is "important" at the moment.
But....Michaels story is OVER....So is fuckin Claires...who dies in ep. 8...
Ooops...TV GUide said that..not me!! Whatever
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Guess what...There is NO team Saymond. Unless yer completely clueless...SAYID makes it back to civilization. Desmond DOES NOT. Get over it.
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The biggest chance I take in a day is wearing a tee shirt with my sportcoat at work. You sir, take your life in your hands every day for unselfish reasons. We have the right to ramble on in this site because of ther freedoms you protect. And your humilty reinforces my point. You are my hero. Thank you. Take the compliment my friend, you've earned it. Let me know when you are at Bragg - I'll buy you a beer some night (I'm only 40 minutes from you). And I could also introduce you to some nursing majors in my classes! (if you're single)
That being said, if you rip on my Badgers again I will bring out a flamethrower and take you out.
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first: lol. Second: Wrong. Jack is not Bland, he is one of the most complex characters on the Show. A doctor, a lover, a drug addict but most of all A true Leader, remember back in season 1 where they showed Jack as a kid and a bully was picking on another kid and jack interrupted him and stood up for the kid now that sir is a person with a true heart of Gold and you can't deny that no matter what. and when Jack got knocked down what did he do? He Stood up and tried again, and the bully said you should have stayed down. Thats the point Jack never gives up and unlike Locke he didn't want people to praise him for being a hero which is clear in season1 that he was thrown into it, because Jack is a natural born leader. Jack has been through a lot since then and is getting tired of all the stress, he may not be as nice as he once was or maybe now acting a little stubborn but its because he takes everyones stress and sadness and places it in himself, he blames himself for not being able to help these people, now as much as I love Des and Sayid they are no Jack, There is only one Jack Shepherd and in the end he will be proven to be the flawed hero of Lost. Team Jack!
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Are you talkin Fayette-Fuckin-NAM, ED?
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BigE is still trying to defend Jack's decision to "pull the trigger" on Locke. Guess what?
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Until Penny shows up.
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How's tricks?
Brody...Must. Take. Valium.
Deep breaths, my friend.
Didn't see that tidbit on Claire, though it would make sense. All I ask is a nice shot of those perfect plump perky pink poopercheeks in the raw before she goes. Emilie didn't get arrested for anything, but her time must be short - ina matter of days the rescuing starts and Aaron has to change hands...just wish she was trapped rather than die. Jack has to have people alive to get baaaaaack to. She's his 1/2 sis, providing some of his hystaria...I think she stays alive.
I know Harrold held out for a chunk of cheddar for LOST and was written out because of it. Brody - he pulled something in between the Matrix 2/3 filmings? That's extortion in a real way when you are a big enough part of the story. Not liking what I hear about Harold P.
HOw do you know Des doesn't get baaaaaack? He's not O6 - he's a free agent. Why wouldn't he eventually find away off (my guess is Pen-uh finds him).
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have you turned into Sky all the sudden. how do you know all the diffinitive answers to the show, and Fuck Locke I Loved when Jack Pulled the trigger I was pissed off it wasn't loaded.
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Fuckin Nam - Sir, Yessir.
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Enjoy Everyone.
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Posted something mostly on topic...and a fucking mod came on there and deleated half my post. NOTHING wrong with it. I don't know, Brody - if there are mods with nothing better to do, acting like fascists - I'd rather stay here where I can drop a note on basketball or Emilie deRavin's ass (which would be deleted as "offensive" over there according to the rules). I'm not liking what I see despite the bells and whistles. That being said - I'm a team guy. I'll leave it up to the original room 23ers to decide - you guys have earned that right.
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YOu know more than most. I'd read your version of season 5 anyday. Keep your head up, little shaver!
Lejuene - of course. Duh. Should have known that. You are still close to Pinehurst. Next time there is a big event with a bunch of my students hittin the town I will give you a heads up. Several of us working there in our 30s are always invited and are treated really well (see: ass kissed) by students when we "drop by" their planned nights out. Be happy to assist you with the co-eds. Otherwise, where would you go out around Lejuene? -
Funny.
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On the big bad INTERNET, I wish I was a badass on the internet like you, Are you this much of a cunt in real life Sky or is this just your internet personality, and Xipohos how could you not think Jack is a hero, even if you don't like the guy you must admit, also Vote for adam carolla ,night all. Team Jack!
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Wow. You were almost on topic there for a few seconds. Nice try.
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see that's what I like about these boards - I'll forgive the lack of edit function and even tolerate the white screen of doom to a certain extent because you have to be a really major FUCKING PAIN IN THE ARSE to get yourself noticed by some kind of Authority on here...
having said that, waiting FOREVER for the page to load on a high speed connection did suck balls and I don't ever wanna go near 10,000 posts ever again, so...
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Let me say for the record, I too believe Widmore owns Oceanic and if this hasn't already been revealed, COUNT ON IT. I'm with ya Cheif - some of us know who's theories have paid off and who are just blowing smoke up collective arses!
Also, I can't wait to hear about all the massive 180's from those ppl who've given up on Locke because he *SEEMS* to be letting Ben get the better of him! What? you guys never heard of a Long Con? The twist is that much SWEETER when the guy who appears to have been played turns the tables and ends up being the PLAYER all along!
Two words: Kaiser Soze
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It pays off sometimes. Other times it's barely tolerable. But the one thing we do not have here is flamboyant moderators that like to delete people's posts in order to make themselves feel in charge or to change the history of the conversation so they look less like idiots.
Most other "boards" and forums are not worth more than a minute of my time. No use getting involved when some fancypants is just going to delete what you've said between tech support calls anyway. What a waste of megalomania. They're like little hitlers, less one testicle.
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What would Desmond Do?
I think he would stay here. Loyalty. Patience. Putting up with aggrivation to achieve the ultimate goal. Putting up with a couple %$#@^& and still staying focused.
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He tries. But at times his actions, no matter how outwardly heroic, are intrinsically selfish. He wants to fix everything - it feeds his rather Large ego. Locke....is insane. He is on a personal quest and I think that always takes priority over everything and EVERYONE. All have heroic moments, true. But they are still very flawed, which is part of the appeal.
The only one with unconditional love and affection toward others?
VINCENT
Team Vincent!
And gotta go with, on the human side,
Unselfishly saved Chaaaalie many times. Was ready to take his place for the suicide mission in The Looking Glass (despite his love being out there looking for him) until Chuckles it him with the oar. Then he went down there to help. He is my guy.
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To replace the disturbing, huffing Harry.
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There is some talk of the newer 5 episodes being flashbacks for some of the main characters (like Locke, Kate, etc). I honestly just don't know what they can do with these that won't make it pure filler. Really is there anything we don't know about those characters? Maybe they feel they need to have some, but at this point there is nothing more we can learn about them. I'd rather they just didn't bother, I don't mind just having flashforwards.
It's like that Jin flashback, pointless really except as a cool little trick for the audience. Similarly I'm thinking about last season, like Sayids flashback where he tortured that woman (and that whole thing with the cat). It wasn't entirely dull, but doesn't really add much to the character. -
I'm thinking Libby's appearance isnt going to be as mind blowing as everybody's anticipating. Im thinking it'l just be a guilt laden vision to Michael. Like when Ana showed up in Eko's dream.
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Can play my flute whenever they wish.
As soon as they finish with each other as rb, Brody, Xiphos, Edshrink, and Cholera look on. Mouths agape. Making small whimpering noises.
I am a pig.
So your perfect LOST chick...
Has Claire's ass and eyes
Has Juliet's Cans
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Kristin Kreuk is done with Smallville, I am really hoping she comes over to LOST and plays the role of a sexpot.
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you're being tools.
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I THINK (coud be wrong) Brody was referring to "Im guessing that it was made when 815 went down and they never bothered to change it?"
Not sure what's wrong with that either. If you think about it, they were all declared dead and many probably had a service with an empty casket and Marker so the loved ones could have closure.
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1 - On Tuesday morning this post is nearly 1500 strong. Okay, so some of it's NCAA filler, but this is nowhere close to what we'll have as what a season finale will give us. So it seems we'll probably hit 10000 long before S5 begins. We can wait until we do if you like, but I say plan ahead and find somewhere to go.
2 - If we're going to Lejune, sounds like a nice weekend trip, Ed and X. Not that I'd butt in and tag along or anything. Or I can just come sit in on a class shrink. You at Campbell or Pembroke or...
3 - I like Arcadian's theory. I don't necessarily agree with it, but that was good thought.
I know there was more, but the brain didn't keep it. Go teams in NCAAs...yours and mine...until we meet, then the hell w/yours and go mine.
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I think the shit is going to hit the fan and a "cover-up" of huge proportions will come to light. Investigations, accusations, in the end the PTB will remain teflon and it will fade with the joy of the 6 that live. The story they have to tell might be designed in a way to "excuse" the cover story in the Sundra Trench (Not sure how...National Security issue, extortion, something..and the dead bodies are from a morgue in a war zone or something, so no one was harmed in the cover up). It would explain some of the massive "settlement" they got - repairations for telling family they were dead and attmpting to cover up they were MIA (but not really MIA, you follow).
So there will be apologies and sackings and "hell to pay"...then that cover up will just fade away...
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Of course you are invited. Many beers for all that could come. Should set something up for the finale in May for those of us in NC. There are actually LOST night at bars in Wisconsin - maybe they have one here. Maybe we can get Xiphos here by the S5 premiere.
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not sure if anyone would wanna see Emilie de Ravin(claire) in a wife beater and black bikini bottoms,but here is a link to a picture of just that http://tinyurl.com/3boqwf
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You remember that shot of Penny at Christmas? The one when she was talking to Desmond?I'm telling you, one day we're going to see that shot again, but this time they're going to pull back slowly and we're going to see who's REALLY with her, and we're going to understand way better what her motives are.But I'm guessing she's not as innocent as we think. She's got a new boyfriend, or somebody who she wants healed, or some other reason for wanting to get to the island. But I don't think she's just love-sick over Desmond.
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Understood. You can tell me when you finish the song...hint...
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albany? come to my boxing gym if you want to know what fighting is about..it's in on pearl street if you can handle that..you mma guys need serious hands help anyway...
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Somebody is a happy man. Love that pic. now if you'll excuse me for a few minutes........
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Holy shit I was drunk...and apparently an angry drunk last night!! I apologize to all my Room 23 friends. One Irish Car Bomb too many. I woke up today at NOON! Oops!
Ed...the mods over at the 'Lage. They lurk in the episode boards keeping the peace during the season. And inside those episode boards, you are expected to stay ON TOPIC. So if ya' start commenting on a Sun, Claire, Juliette, Harper 4 way lesbo oil wrestling match....you're gonna get flagged for it. However...once the season ENDS...and we start our own private room...I don't think they will be stopping in to tell you your NCAA Basketball talk is off limits. What's yer screen name over there...I'll give you a holla. -
Great shot of Claire! Trying to decide if she just got kicked out of a truck...or is about to be abducted. But if I saw that standin on the side of the road...I'd put my foot through the floor hittin' those brakes!
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Who do you think will be featured in the last 5 episodes?
by youguysgotanymilk
Not just who we want, but logically who do we think will be featured? I'm totally guessing but I'm thinking... 4.09 (slight spoiler)--based on what I've seen on the set pics, Sayid--flashforward, we learn how he started working for Ben 4.10--One of the freighter folk, we learn more about their mission and how they were chosen for the job 4.11-Ben flashback, we learn how he became the leader of the Others, and what happened with the Purge 4.12-Locke/Sawyer, flashbacks and flash forwards, we learn that Locke had a connection to the island long before landing there or flash forwards of either Locke or Sawyer showing them still on the island and what has been happening since the O6 left. 4.13 Finale/ Jack flashforward, we see what happens off the island that makes Jack so desperate to go back. We also see the O6 leave the island. Those are just my guesses. With only five episodes left it makes it hard to pick and choose who gets an episode and who doesn't. Of course there are other characters I would rather see, but I dont think they have time to feature them this season. (Desmond ff, Russo fb, Widmore fb, Walt fb, Richard fb, Ben ff, etc.) I guess only time will tell. Any other speculations about who will be featured in the last 5?
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According to Spoilerfix...you appear to be dead on in your predictions.
Can't believe they would get back to the Sayid/Ben future story line so soon. I'm intrigued...but it seems like we just saw that!
I wanna see the Sawyer "Tampa Job" flashback!! But that's a selfish wish...I wanna see my city depicted on my favorite show.
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Thurs 8:40
And I don't teach Fri. (beerbeerbeerbeerbeerbeerbeer)
rb, I expected you to say a glass of CabSav and a nice Bree. G&T a little strong for a Carolina, no?
Brody my screen name is the same at the 'lage. I'll give it another try. What's your screen name?
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I do like the cab, but I'm partial to a Sagiovese I found. Goes great with the wine and cheese crowd at the dook games.
As far as the G&T, started that many years ago at Myrtle B and never stopped. I do prefer Saphire, but have been known on many occasions to drink bathtub gin (homage to the Al Capone speakeasy days)...and this past Friday night was one of those occasions.
Saturday was my last hangover...until this Saturday.
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http://tinyurl.com/2l3zdm i go back and forth between this 1 and the other..."the battle of the pc desktop pic" winner...emilie de ravin
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Wants to fix things and sometimes for his self but that is why he is such a great character because he's real, he's complex, if he was perfect then he would be boring. And yes at times Jack can help people and really be doing it for himself but he is still helping people, and unlike most people on the show Jack will listen to reason like when Sayid said that he wasn't the best man for the job to get charlette back and Jack listened , he knows what's right from wrong and doesn't act blindly when someone tries to reason with him, maybe except Locke , but honestly would you listen to that wacko. Team Jack!
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when i was but a pup wandering around the U of Wisconsin MAdison campus, we had a satirical campus newspaper. It was called The Onion. It has been a national thing for a while now - and it never bores me. Saw this today and shot Diet Dew out my nose.
http://tinyurl.com/35moq7
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I trust Penelope.
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is that second one actually real ive seen it around the internet but it looks fake, I think it s fake I'm hoping its not.
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Dude...we may have been separated at birth. First off...LOVE The Onion. That fake news shit puts Stewart & Colbert to shame. Hilarious.
I am addicted to Diet Mountain Dew in a way that is scary, quite frankly. I go through a 12 pack every day...Original & Code Red. My local "Lucky 7" conveinence store has Diet Code Red brought in special...just for me. When I left my last job...one of my parting gifts was a six pack of 20oz bottles that were altered to have a generic Swan hatch logo and the words "Diet Dharma Dew" placed over the original MD logo. I saved one, but drank all the rest. They also dressed up a large Animal Crackers jug like you get at Costco, with the Swan logo and the words "Dharma Mammal Crackers" on it. Great buncha people.
My screen name over at the 'Lage is ATOR. Haven't been on over there much in S4 cuz' I took to hanging out here with you guys. I'm up to 955 posts. Did a quick search for edshrinker on the members list and didn't see your name. Is your user control panel up to date? Added an avatar or anything? It may just take a while before the mods add you to the member list? -
You don't know how weird it was to see the guys that started and maintained that little newsrag in Madison suddenly make it big time. Back in the early/mid 90s when I was there - when a new issue came out, the profs had to warn everyone to put them away or face some serious consequences. And - it was also FREE.
They have a huge Onion does "Our Stupid World" hardcover Atlas in our bookstore. I peed myself just browsing through it. I'm buying it the next time I go in.
Some Madison guys did the Chad Vader: Day Shift Manager that is pee in your pants funny.
Its no wonder The Zucker Bros. and Abrahms met while at Madison. Our proud Alums.
http://tinyurl.com/2ec8et
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A big DTV shout out to Pa,TheBigE and the other 10.000TB Losties.Keep it up.Still no season 3 in Germany,so I cant read any posts!Fuck,I want my Lost!
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Not trying to be overly simplisic but - why don't you download Season 3? High Speed download,you'd have all of it in a day or 2 w/ BitTorent. Buy the Season 3 DVDs when they come out there to soften the guilt.
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I know it's a Lost tb, but there are alot of cross-over fans!
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I remember seeing Penny in Sarah Connor Chronicles and thinking DAMN I DON'T TRUST THAT BITCH! I think I trust Charles more than I trust Penny - remember what he told Des in 1996 - "it's not ME who hates you" - or something like that anyway...
smutpeddler - nice pics - never liked the Claire character for being so damn whiney and annoying (not to mention giving the Hobbit blue balls!) but those bikini bottoms... No problems there!
Speaking of Widmore - POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT!
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Good to see you again - how's things in Germany? Edshrinker here can hook you up if you want to see season 4 episodes (I assume you meant season 4). Too many spoilers around here guys! I'm trying to skip all that stuff 4we8, so I'm missing a lot of posts! Anyone know how far along they are in filming those final 5 episodes?
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Definetely there is a lot of love for Desmond/Penny storyline, Sayid killing people (its just cool) and Ben manipulating everyone.
Actually finding it hard to get excited so much about the rest of the storyline involving Team Jack.
Really enjoyed dgram's comments, think it would be a great way to end it.
Not sure if all of you had seen my earlier comments but I am really hoping Desmond has to go back to the island to rescue Penny in the last season.
And finally skywalkerfamily, thanks for keeping us entertained, ..... you aren't actually serious are you ...
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Has anyone come up with a cool name yet for the Desmond/Sayid /Ben spin off we all seem to want to see ?
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I was thinking of something a bit more blunt like "The Sh#t" or "Kickass" , though not sure the censors will be too happy about that
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"Cooler than a Jamaican assasin."
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Sounds like an MMA event, and for your info I think Desmond's walk in music would be The Proclaimers "500 miles"
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Show your support for the good doctor. Team Jack!
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till the show ends.
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i can just have you come for free and work with you, i teach some of the kids there so i can basically do whatever so if you want to come work out you can.everyone is training mma now, im even doing grappling now.we have 10 ounce fingerless groves that have as much padding as a 16 ounce boxing glove, they finally allow you to do everything without being too dangerous.
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do u live in ny or ma?
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My problem is are the flashforwards essentially just like previews of shows in season 5/6? If the narrative changes to show Oceanic 6 off the island and we 'catch up' with whats been happening in the flashforwards where does that leave the show? Standard flashbacks? Flashing forward to events in the next season? Or just abandoning them and having an on island/ off island thing.
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I'm look at the concept a lot of people have discussed already - that is in the FF, we are not seeing the whoe picture. Or the context to which these events are taking place.
The "new" FF may be the same scenes...but they will draw back the camera and show more (ie. someone bringing up Penny at the Christmas Tree, talking to Des, they show it again but this time pull back and pan over to Daddy dearest sitting on her couch during the convo.).
And when we see Jack stumbling around with chunks of jelled up Oxycontin falling out of his nose, we will THEN know who was in the coffin, what's happening on the island and why he has to get baaaaaack, maybe the other end of his phone conversation...things like that (context).
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That last one was the 1500th post.
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for thursday
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for a 6 season box set of Lost on blu-ray.
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It seems that Kate will get another centric episode after the break. Most likely we will get to see what happens to Claire that leads Kate to become the mother of Aaron. While I am curious to know what happened with that it is a little frustrating to know that both Sayid and Kate are getting another centric episode so soon after the other ones. There are so many other sides of this story that we need to see. It appears that the purpose of Season 4 is now to introduce questions in episodes 1-8 and then spend the time after the break adressing those questions. So maybe 9-13 will focus on the questions brought up this season. Why Sayid is working for Ben? Why Kate claims Aaron to be her son? Maybe why Hurley wants to go back? How Ben got off the island? Why Jack is so desperate to go back? As much as I dont want to be spoiled, I am dying to know how the rest of the season will play out.
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From tvguide.com Ausiello: Who said Aaron is not one of the Oceanic Six? Certainly not me. Take another look at my asterisk quiz from Feb. 27 and consider all of the possible combinations. In the meantime, don't expect a definitive answer about the Six from Team Darlton. Carlton Cuse tells me they're "not going public with any further clarifications right now." And what of the ABC promo that promised viewers they'd know the identity of the Six by the end of last week's episode? "We don't determine how ABC promotes the show," says Cuse. "But Damon and I will say you have now seen all of the Oceanic Six in this season's episodes." "We have now seen all of the O6 is theese episodes? So is it Aaron? I still dont think so. My money is on Ben (under a fake identity), or Michael. Who knows, maybe they just mean we have seen them (on the island), which could be anyone?
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So when you think something is going to happen because of a promo or next week on LOST thing, best not to listen to what the voice over announcer is saying.
Node - anything to add (I asked knowing I was stirring the pot)?
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So if we do indeed get to see Michael return back to the "real world" before hoping back on the boat, will we get any clues to what makes Hurley and eventualy Jack so desperate to go back? Do you think through Michael's story we will get to see any more of the Island's mystery and the time difference or will it simply be he gets home and Ben blackmails him to go back? I'm curious to see how this plays out, cant wait for tomorrow!
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It's almost like this should be the last season.. by them letting us know what happens to the Losties. It seems like we're coming to the climax of the story pretty quickly. You'd wonder what the hell they can fill two seasons with, that they can't finish up in one.
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Kevin McHale made fun of ABC's spring lineup promo for looking all girly. Which it is, I mean just look at their shows: Desperate Housewives, Brothers & Sisters, Ugly Betty, Grey's Anatomy. I wouldn't be surprised if they added The L Word to the lineup. LOST sticks out of that lineup like a sore thumb. It would do better on cable or HBO, but I digress.
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I was going to continue with that last post and note how it relates to the LOST promos being all shitty and whatnot. ABC just focuses on the romantic aspect and the heavier drama line "SOMEONE. WILL. DIE" it just derives from the whole experience if you're tuning in to watch someone die, then changing the channel to Moment of Truth or Big Brother.
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That was weird. Guess I shouldn't be doing this from work. Gremlins.
Brody - I love that. Diet Dharma Dew. PepsiCo should really look into that as a marketing campaign. Good for them, good for LOST. Do it up in the generic black and white with the logo. Imagine the 2 Lt bottle!
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hate to turn this into a fighting forum so we shoud spar lost style- gloves made of coconuts and in between rounds we can flashback to other times we've gotten our asses kicked.
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and flashforward to when you're overweight and running a restaurant with your own lounge act :P
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Great atricle node. I loved the last 2 paragraphs.
The truth is out there, but it comes at a price.
Recently, Lachonis, the TailSection founder, had the opportunity to watch an episode with new eyes. Normally he keeps himself well-spoiled, but this particular advance copy came completely out of the blue; he had no time to prepare. "It was a fantastic experience, watching something with no knowledge," he says in wonder. "It was like it was the way it was intended to be enjoyed."
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How do we think the show will end? Does it end with the O6 going back to the island and living there peacefully? Does it end with them going back and rescuing those that were left. So it ends with everyone getting off the island (at least those that want to leave)? I guess to answer that we need to know why thhe O6 has to go back. Do they have to go back because the others (no pun intended) are in danger? Do they have to go back because there is something wrong with their own lives once they left?
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Why did Michael look like a crackhead on the freighter? Is he actually smoking crack? Or is being off the island slowly killing him? Ideas/ Theories?
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for a new talkback
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I wonder how quick the leagal team at ABC would come down if I made some Dharma-Wear. Could use the symbol with a new logo in the center.
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Spell much?
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"Are You LOST?" bumper sticker...with the LOST logo and maybe Kate or Locke's face. I'd put that on my car...and I hate bumper stickers.
There are LOST shirts available...but the one's I've seen so far look like tourist trap bullshit. I've also seen Mr. Cluck's shirts...with "Have a cluckity, cluck, cluck day!" on them....but no LOST reference.
I completely agree that PepsiCo, and Kraft Macaroni & Cheese are missing a huge marketing tie in with fake Dharma/LOST products. I thought what 7-Eleven did with The Simpsons Movie was pure genius. -
I told you guys, that quiz was too obviously a trick. Aaron is one of them.
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1500+ is pretty good, especially for a comparatively lacklustre episode.
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isn't it obvious? the same "magic box" that allowed Ben to reunite Locke with his dad (if you were a psychotic like Ben, wouldn't you expect it to be easy for someone to kill the guy that threw him out of a plate glass window and broke his spine?) allows Ben to reunite Sayid with Nadia - who ends up dead and Sayid is manipulated into believing Ben's enemies are the same people who are responsible for that death - and that Sayid could have prevented that death, if only he had trusted Ben...
count on it
let other people "call it" in the week leading up to that episode, after the preview has given it away... -
"If Anything Goes Wrong, Desmond Is My Constant" was my fave. That and "My Theory is Better Than YOUR Theory". Which, of course, is positively a true statement!
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i'll go on American Inventor with the Dharma can cozy idea...there I sadi it b4 the internet fucked me over...
one word for tomorrow nights episode.....WALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
Mar 19, 2008 5:31:23 PM CDT
MP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by maximus prime
I had to at least once
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LOVES CHARLIE!!!!!!
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Everytime Michael says something like "My son", "He's my son", "I had to get my son back" and "Walt!" etc etc.. do a shot.
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Came to!
Welcome back my friend. Hair of the dog. -
You have to slam 2 Jagger bombs.
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Bunny #8 and the Drive Shaft World Tour.
Obscure enough for only a Lostie to get.
'Dude, You Have Some ARTZ on You' is pretty fuckin funny.
Saw an Avatar that had the Hatch computer screen green font with:
> Woof
> Vincent? Is that you?
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If anything blows up. (Do you hear me Locke?)
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Checked out a couple articles on this site. And a couple (like Capria and Jack Ryan) interested me enough to scroll down and consider a comment.
Young fucking Sky is on every GD TB on this site (and probably others) You can't go anywhere without that fucker popping up. Could someone help him get, I don't know, a job or something? I thought I was active - Holy Resurrected Jeebus!
Making me think about Brody's idea for the Fuselage this off season more and more. -
was kind of confused there.I know I could download it,but it just dont feels right(and BitTorrent sucks ass).I got an Usenet site where I download stuff,but LOST deserves better.I get the feeling that my cable provider waits until the season is complete so they can show it in one run.At least I hope so.Keep it up guys.
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what are all the crossovers that J.J. Abrams has? i heard there was some dharma logo in front of cloverfield...
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I heard sometime in May, anyone have a specific date?
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Rokur, I think the final five eps air 4-24, 5-1, 5-8, 5-15, and 5-22. Not 100 percent on that.
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Did anyone see that article on Chuck on the main AICN page? There's a link that mentions Lost, and says that the 4-toed statue was a joke played by departing season 2 writers. Kind of a "get yourself out of this one" trick played on the incoming writers. The showrunners thought it was too weird, as did ABC, but they came back asking for a 6 toed statue instead. Do you think that one will ever be solved?
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It must suck waiting for Lost while the rest of the world already has it! My advice- stay off the spoiler sites and enjoy the fresh surprises that you have coming in Season 4. I can't imagine having known beforehand the shock of watching "The Economist" and discovering the shocking ending! Or knowing how "The Constant" would take place. There's been some mighty fine episodes this season! You've got something to look forward to!
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thats pretty funny
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that story about the 4-toed statue isn't true, seems like something that the powers that be behind the show, would catch ahead of time. In my opinion, i'm hoping that everything shown to us on the screen was shown to us for very specific reasons....
I try to remain spoiler free as possible, other than previews for upcoming episodes, and accidently reading the wrong post in a talkback, i've stayed fairly spoiler free :) -
Yeah, if the 4 toe thing is true, it seems the old writers went through an elaborate joke! Must have been expensive!
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Namaste!
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Got spoiled last week, and already know more than I want to about tonight's, so I'm staying put here.
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