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Abomination Looks Like That Sand Guy From SPIDER-MAN 3!! Hulk Still Looks CGI!! It's HULK. EL HOMBRE INCREIBLE!!
Merrick here...
Despite my bitchy headline, I do like the tone and kinetics here.
WHAT DO YOU THINK???
You can also find the trailer over at MTV's site, provided you can get the footage to load. You can access the site HERE.
This same trailer should air on various networks tonight, per THIS BLOG.
Thanks to Nathan for calling this to our attention...
WHAT DO YOU THINK???
Thanks to Nathan for calling this to our attention...
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Nice.
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Don't make me angry! Yadda yadda yadda.......
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Really now.
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It is.
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I'm officially looking forward to this.
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That looked incredible!! Mucho impresso!
Norton read the Jones storyline and has benifitted. abomination looks a bit off though,
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And I think people will finally realize how great it is after they sit through this one.
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They fight there.
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So expect better results in 3 months
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The CG is definitely a lot better than Ang Lee's. I'm still not 100% on it but I have faith in Edward Norton.
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Mar 12, 2008 5:42:42 PM CDT
Eh... Majority of trailer pretty boring, cliched, def DVD viewin
by wilsonfisk89
TDK will own all
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mtv overdrive or whatever. see superherohype.
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but the fight scene looks like a vid game
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I drank your milkshake from across the room on that one.
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Seriously.
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Sounds good, Mr The Kid!
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looked VERY Neo vs Smith.
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El Dorado.
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And I prefer the look of the Ang Lee Hulk too, at least based on this trailer. Still, the Abomination does look better here than he did in the action figure pics.
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Is that what it translates to? CGI HUlK does look pretty kick ass
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uhm, I don't think Edward Norton is doing the effects...
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the Hulk does still look CG and his first movements looked pretty stiff, but I like Norton and the action scenes look awesome.
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...meets shit.
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Iron Man and Dark Knight are the easy geek favorites this year. This trailer doesn't help Hulk's chances. Moody lighting, check. Dark city street, check. Overly fake CGI, check. Bring on the good comic adaptations.
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In the wake of the Uber (maybe greatest trailer ever?) IRON MAN and the very cool Speed Racer trailers, it can't hold a candle.
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Looks like the LEAST thrilling big SFX movie this summer.
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I was wondering how obvious it would be that the big fight was filmed on Yonge St. Now I have my answer... pretty fucking obvious.
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In this he looks a bit too comic booky if you know what I mean..Then again its only a glimps, it might turn out better?
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In this he looks a bit too comic booky if you know what I mean..Then again its only a glimps, it might turn out better?
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Rising up. Straight from the streets.
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this trailer really needed a killer action shot, like lee's version of the hulk throwing the tank a half a mile.
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I don't know if anyone in toronto will be able to sit through that fight scene without laughing... I wonder if the Zanzibar paid someone to be featured so prominently.
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Oh boy...what a disaster
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With the live action interspersed with cartoon characters. But that was a comedy/drama. I don't think that's what they're going for in this one and I doubt that's the right angle for this type of film.
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To me he looks like he belongs in a Resident Evil movie or somthing, Fucking Nemisis or some shit....Anyway Being a fan of Lee's version I have to say this dose look a little cheap.
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i liked it though... hopefully they stil have some suprises left.
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why dear god?
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in color and shape. I'm in.
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What, no ponderous oft-repeated shots of frogs, rocks, and bristlecone pine trees in this one? No over-the-top scene-chewing by Nick Nolte? No poodle Hulks? Well, bloody good call. Norton's the man.
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now THATS comedy!
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Yeah I wasnt a big fan of the hulk dogs, yeah I wasnt a big fan of the shit ending..(the father transformation shit) but it did have some classic moments...The desert scene in particular..(the tanks, the attack helicopter) then the bits near the end in San Fran. All done to a high standard.
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is always going to look CGI...it's not like it's building or a car. It's a giant green man.
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...this video outside the U.S.
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It looks fucking SWEET. I especially dig the old tv series vibe they have going on
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Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, Silver Surfer, King Kong, Jurassic Park 1,2 and 3 etc? Jackass!!!
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was in his trailer during the fight scene.
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bill bixby, eric bana and now edward norton....all sexy....bruce banner, however, is not sexy, at least not in his first incarnation...ergo, why he is ultimately torn between finding a cure and staying the hulk....i hate stan lee, but he did capture this perfectly....of course norton doesnt want to be the hulk anymore...look who hes got waiting at home for him....
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I'm really excited for this movie. Norton's a solid actor. I generally enjoy anything he's in. Of course the Dark Knight will dominate this film in the box office. But I really believe that this film could be the dark horse. It may end up being better than Iron Man AND the Dark Knight. Or I could just be talking out my ass.
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What is the fucking point of that? Jesus Christ, of all the retarded fucking inane things to do, they think that enforcing some kind of regional censorship on a fucking movie trailer is a good idea. I repeat: WHAT IS THE FUCKING POINT!?
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I much preferred the CGI Hulk in Ang Lee's version to that ugly Van Helsing level piece of crap. Shouldn't have expected much from the guy behind Transporter 2, but I wanted to at least HOPE for something good. Hopes dashed. This movie will bomb. Nuff said.
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Looks like an incredible movie...sir.
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http://tinyurl.com/25sq3n
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To me it looks too different to Tim Roth. They obviously didnt scan his face for reference.. if they did they didnt use it. The same for the Hulk. It dosnt share any likness to Norton. I understand in the comics he looks totally different to Banner but in a movie they have the chance to show us a realistic version...I think they used Eric Baner to create the Hulk in the first movie..?
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Makes it look like a made for cable flick.
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im uploading to youtube now
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OK, all I know is, that's the HULK I know from comics. He's got the trademark pissed off face. He also looks like he's sweating, giving his skin a much more realistic tone. Ang's looked like green chalk. I look forward to this version.
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That's not true to the character. Anyway, I like the cast, Im gonna going to see it for sure.
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Why does Hulk always have to be covered in sweat and what I assume is feces?? Also, why doesn't the Abomination have balls? Or hell, where is his penis even? Maybe he should shop at the same place Hulk does to buy some sweat pants to cover his shame. Abomination indeed. Tim Roth, you should have insisted your monster have balls dude.
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Unless any of you know of a 12 foot tall green human as wide as a Buick....anyone? No? Looks like it's gonna be CG then. Did this many people complain when CG Spiderman swung from a web in the first SM movie? Did people complain this much about CG when Ghost Rider's head flamed up or when Johnny in FF flamed up? Things have to be done with computers or else you have Lou Ferrigno standing only 6" taller than most of the guys he's putting the smack down on. Sheesh!
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So stupid. And I'm not just saying that because I liked Lee's film. It just looks like another stupid superhero film. Fantastic Four, the overdramatic.
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It'll be good, Iron Man will be better and The Avengers will be fucking great and I'm insanely jealous because I like DC more.
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Is it really that hard to translate the Hulk to film, or any other comic character for that matter?
Batman is buried in rubber, Superman has a billbord style suit, The Watchmen have high-tech style outfits, (don’t get me started on the Joker) now The Hulk is trim and with an emo haircut?!!!
He’s…a…HULK! Not just “the” Hulk.
The film so far looks really pedestrian but I like Ed Norton a lot so I have faith.
I think the only Superhero film that has worked in recent years is Blade 1.
By the way I’ve heard (yes from my reliable source) that as lame as the costumes look to me, Watchmen is shaping up to deliver the goods.
Anyway, the Hulk better be better than that first trailer.
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Don't make Hulk movies ang-lee. You wouldn't like them ang-lee.
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The two biggest mistakes that CGI animators make are 1) adding unnecessary motion and 2) adding unnecessary lighting and sheen. The unnecessary motion thing has been bugging me for as long as there have been CGI characters. It happens because the animator wants to make his creation as lifelike as possible the natural instinct is that the more the model is moving, the more real it will look. It's like he's proving himself to you, 'hey look, it's so life-like you can't even tell it's cgi, see look at how much it's moving! real, huh?' Only the problem is, real living things aren't constantly jostling around like a kid with ADD, Tourettes and Psoriasis. Real living things stay still a lot, and tend to make subtle movements. And animators don't like their animations to not be animated. So they constantly fuck up CGI characters that would look great, if only every part of their body weren't constantly moving in some way. Same goes for sheen. Guys who are responsible for the above shot of the Hulk, do me a favor. Go out in a downtown street, take off your shirt and have someone take a picture of you. Perhaps you'll notice that your skin is not massively reflecting every lightsource within a mile as though you were made of glossy plastic. Because that's exactly what you're Hulk model looks like. It looks like a plastic WETA model, sitting on someone's desk.
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...gonna go cry and feel sorry for yourself after your fight with blonsky?
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That looks fucking awesome!
I wonder if Doc Samson will end up gamma irradiated in this movie or if that will be set up for a sequel? Personally I liked Ang Lee's Hulk. It was different, sure, but as superhero films go it was OK.
I'm glad they aren't insulting our intelligence by assuming that we won't "get" the whole reboot within a few years of the last film thing. I give them credit for that. Abomination looks good. You have to remember that in the comics the Abomination was bigger and smarter than the Hulk, if not necessarily stronger. Should be a classic smack-down.
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and while I to like the tone is there an audience for this thing? Seriously...to most movie goers that trailer will just look like a remake of the ang lee one. this won;t do very well.
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Gotta love how it's filmed in Canada, yet Copyright restrictions prevent them from allowing me to view the video....
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http://tinyurl.com/a0fp
In my opinion that captures the true essence of the Hulk a lot more than this one.
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Haters wait until you see the whole film and then if you don't like it let the hate begin. Me? I'm giving it a chance.
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Word from the set of The Incredible Hulk is that there is tension between Marvel Studios and Edward Norton, who was promised a measure of creative control for his participation in the project. See, Norton doesn't like the cut of the film the way that Marvel's doing it, and is sort of threatening to remove his support from the project unless they let him supervise the next cut.
Now, for a franchise that's already had to hit reset, due to the fact that it didn't work so well the first time, the withdrawal of support from the lead actor would spell disaster, and potentially put at risk over $100 million in cost, plus whatever goodwill and marketing the film has in the hopper. In other words, Norton has them over a barrel...and you wouldn't like him when he's angry.-Mike D'Alonzo G4TV.com
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ILM's 5 year old effects from the first film shit all over this crap whatever you think of the Ang Lee film.
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Spitzer?! She was my sister!!
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Well said man.
ILM is also notorious for that style of animation. Just watch the clones move around like they have to pee really bad.
ILM animators are the worst and I used to think it was just the Star Wars films but sadly it’s just the whole new generation of ILM staffers that’s making them look bad. FX houses should slow down on hiring these cookie cutter animators fresh out of Art School and hire people that have a passion for the job and are self taught.
Art school teaches you some really bad habits I’m sorry to say.
I’ve spoken to university art classes on many occasions and one first things out of my mouth is “see you teacher, don’t take everything he tells you as law”
Weta animators are really good generally and King Kong was a great example (animation wise not the movie) of how to do things right. Of course most of that was motion capture. The Water Horse is another great example of really great animation.
But for the most part your advice is solid.
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Is Liv Tyler playing Betty Ross?SHIT!But Tim Roth and William Hurt look decentBut Sam Elliott cant be replaced.I hope Hurt brings his best.
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This looks like the Comic Hulk done PROPER! No need to make the Hulk look like the actor playing Banner, Hulk and Banner look nothing alike and ain't supposed to after such an extraordinary transformation. This isn't Gollum here, it's HULK so anyone complaing about the CGI or that Hulk don't look like Norton simply misses the point by a mile. And thank god no purple lycra bicycle-shorts like Ang lee's Hulk, now that was terrible CGI! The whole pissed off beyond human rage look on his face is exactly what they never got right in the entire first film, Norton's movie already hit the nail on the head with one teaser trailer! The Bana-Hulk in Ang Lees film looked like a soppy doe-eyed dear too many times in that movie; Hulk is supposed to be PISSED OFF and vein-popping, teeth-snarling mad-in-the-face with rage when he's fighting. Finally film-makers who've done their homework on the comic character and not going overboard about the characters parental issues. You lover's of Ang Lee's Skulk can keep your tedious version, we comic appreciators are finally getting what we want, a proper Incredible HULK movie! And of course it's CGI, when in the world have we ever been able to get anything this close to the source without CGI? Model work looks like model work, a bodybuilder in green make-up looks like a bodybuilder in green make-up and CGI looks Like CGI. 'Cept CGI is the only way to make these thing look like they're comic roots so once and for all you white flag waving snobs - STOP STATING THE OBVIOUS, a movie like this is not for the narrow minded or fantasy challenged. Jesus, how did you guys ever sit through the first Star Wars, Flash Gordon or any Superman film without naming every FX technique used to tell the story?
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Looks like Hulk and Abomination are going for a Matrix Revolutions-esque simultaneous punch. The worst thing about the CGI is that these huge things don't look like they have any weight. They look like floating pixels.
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Hmmm i smell a super delux DVD version. Ouch my wallet.
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I feel like I know the entire movie already. The only selling point (though it's a good one) is the fight scene.
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Why block people from outside the US from viewing the trailer in shitty MTV flash player edition, and then put a big shiny link to the HD Quicktime file next to it that anyone can watch?
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In the comic book the Ultimates have Bruce under lock in key after he injects himself with a modified super-soldier serum and goes berserker killing hundreds of people. When the big bads attack the army fly Bruce in on helicopter and try and get him to turn into the Hulk by beating on him. They end up booting him from the Helicopter in a change into the hulk or die scenario. *Thuds* into the ground and crawls out of the impact wreckage as the Hulk.
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It was originally reported here tinyurl.com/ys7f22 the other day.
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First look from a two minute trailer....this looks like crap.
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Yuck
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Seriously, that teaser can eat my shit.... And Merrick, what are you trying to do with that headline? "That Sand Guy" from Spiderman 3?" Is that supposed to be... anything? Where do you get the balls?!
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It's true! And all you motherfuckers know it.
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The fact that I'm able to see the trailer at all makes the regional thing all the more pointless.
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this does not look good at all.
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I meant “see YOUR teacher?”.
Always listen to your (English) teacher.
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Why do fucking movie studios insist on the Hulk sounding like a fucking tiger when he yells?! HE IS A MAN FOR FUCKS SAKE!
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Doesn't look great, but could be more fun than Brokeback Hulk.
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I'm not even gonna bother watching this on DVD, let alone in the theatre. I'll take Ang Lee's thoughtful approach to the character over the lame "Last Hope" shit anyday. I've never read a Hulk comic, and never cared much for the character. Lee's version got me intrigued...this thing screams "Presented by SciFi Channel"....
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I cannot understand the love for that movie. People go watch a hulk movie to see the hulk blow shit up, and tear through the city, not fight stupid cgi dogs, or have ten million flashbacks, or have gimmicky split-screens, or have stupid symbolism, not to mention the terrible ending.
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Right, too much movement, too herky-jerky. Show a coiled bicep using practical effects (puppetry), then build up to the faster, whole body stuff. Take your time. Remember weight and heft. They seemed to get it right, or close to it, with Gollum. But most of the super-hero stuff looks like PS3 characters hopping around on a background.
If we are asked to suspend disbelief that a 1200 lb man wouldn't just collapse on himself, but instead is a "class 100" super-hero... then at least spend as much effort as possible making the physical environment, and our real-life physics react accordingly.
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I'm looking forward to this one. Looks like the rare superhero movie that will be action-led.
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I have begged on this previous hulk boards.
NO CG Hulk. The still on this site looks heaps better than the trailer.
It would be good for a video game. Not a movie.
Don't tell me Marvel has screwed this up twice.
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You talk about it looking as close to the comic book as anything we have seen before right? well I think with todays tecnology we can at least create the hulk that looks half way realistic! Fuck everything you remember about the comic because at the end of the day its a movie and movies are there to paint a realistic picture. By the way you talk about the rage yes? well what about (for example) The rage Ang Lee's Hulk shows when he fucks that tank in the desert with the barrel off the other tank or when he breaks through the ground to flip the cars over in San Francisco?
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I disagree. Hulk has always been about symbolism and is as much about the internal struggles as the external ones.
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A reject from the mummy movie.
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Completely agree. Hulk's rage when he breaks out of the containment tank in Ang Lee's movie is deliciously palatable.
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He is promised a cure, He trust the Tim roth guy- who wants the disease to be a god. Hulk cries whines talks about wanting to be just like us, then roth becomes that Unhulk hulk thing and the unhulk goes ona rampage. the government convinces Banner to Hulk out too save mankind. Hulk stops crying. Hulk found Smash.
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I know, Blur Studios Hulk for Iron Mans Adventure looked a 100 times better than this...and that was for children.
Just watch the short films. They nailed it. Now that i think about it they had a better Iron Man too...and a better Spiderman.
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3 sick Comic book movies, Wall E and whatever crap that comes up decent. I'm so excited I may have to up my meds.
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There's one in every superhero movie these days.
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Only difference is roids, green skin, and getting kicked in the nuts expression.
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Is that they have freedom to put camera in virtually any place. And they fucking do so. As a result, you have steadycam in casual scenes and then all of a sudden these over the top angles and movements in action sequences, which is very unnatural. And they do it because they fucking can, not because it somehow works better.
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This is the dumb shit you all wanted. Hope youre happy.
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and or Backlot City Block replica... Wow, you can feel the sence of scope there- can't ya!
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And greener...yeah I said it! :P
Actually watching the trailer for Hulk again, (Lee's), there's a lot there that didn't make it into the final film.
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Looks Fracking awesome! The cg still looks better than ang lees version...I dont think abomination looks anything like sandman..and theyve revealed alot in this trailer..A big improvement on hulks look !
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...in Ang's "Hulk" is the very last one, when the Hulk is "submerged" in his father's watery mass, and he screams "Take it! TAKE IT AAAAAAALL!" I get goosebumps just thinking about it... being able to unleash all the anger I've swallowed over the years. Love love LOVE that scene. And the movie.As for this trailer, I guess I have to moan about the Abomination not looking like his comic incarnation... but hopefully the film will be enjoyable. Looks better than I thought it would, I have to admit...
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I've noticed many times how effects that look slightly dodgy on the computer look amazing in a cinema. The different media formats do seem to affect the appearance of some footage. If you look at the full size stills linked to at the top of this article I think they look amazing. The abomination shot in particular is jaw-dropping and looks much better than it does in the trailer at MTV (even the HD one.)
Having said that, every single CGI film released these days seems to be met with it's fair share of abuse. When the transformers teaser launched and it had that incredible shot of the decepticon smashing through the coach on the freeway (I don't know the character name sorry) I thought it was perhaps the greatest effects shot I'd ever seen. (Still can't think of a better one offhand.) and the talkbacks here were full of abuse about the quality of the CGI.
All the CGI abuse gets pretty old it is the present and the inevitable future of effects and will continue to improve. The only legitimate complaint is that it doesn't look as physically 'there' as something that was actually filmed. But do you guys actually remember what the alternatives look like? Stop-motion for example? Have you watched the Tauntaun scene in ESB in a while? Pretty funny. Model work can look amazing but it is very limiting in terms of interaction.
It would be nice if people were just a little more open-minded and not so quick too piss and moan about everything like moody adolescents.
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Thoughtful and innovative attempts to break the mold, but forgot to be entertaining in the process. Either of those movies would of been fine as stories within actual comic books, but as 2.5 hour films, you need something more.
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Oh ok. Im just hearing about that.
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http://tinyurl.com/36xqf5
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The running is terrible... everything else looks fine I suppose.
The kiss is weird though.. wtf is happening with Liv's lip?
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to the comics version. Just a little.
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you know those fuckers are up 24/7 trying to improve the look...
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Really Marvel. This is what we get. Really. Take another year to fix that god damn CGI. Jesus Christ.
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Better than the Ang Lee Poop. But i want to hear that sad piano music incorporated from the end of the tv show when Banner has to leave town.
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to have Abomination's ears? C'mon. Stop taking the shit so damned seriously and for ONCE hook the character up the way everyone has fallen in love with him over the years! And the new comers wont know the difference anyway!
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Who wants a movie of wild abandon and destruction starring the Hulk? Something that feels like Ode To Joy crossed with a bj? I loved Ang Lee's Hulk, and I love the more serious comic stories, but I don't think that's going to work for a general audience. I almost want it to be "whiz, bang!" like the old attitude at Marvel when it had the Merry Marvel Marching Society and the great Hulk theme song from the late 60s cartoon - but with just a grit of consequence thrown in. Just my thought :)
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This is hulk vs Swamp thing everybody.
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then wiped my ass and smeared it on the monitor...my shit looks a lot better.
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Otherwise it'll just end up looking like Hyde from League of Extraordinary Gentleman.
Frankly, I don't see how this could be done by a man in a suit.
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Hulk fighting a giant monster in the street, excellent. Hulk fighting lightning in the clounds.. wtf? I'm ok with 1/2 ass CGI as long as I get a good story. Hell, modern animation is just really shitty 2D CGI and no one complains about that...
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they fucken jump at each other in slow mo. How many times have we seen that bullshit in a movie??? All I can say is: thank you Christopher Nolan for not treating us like retarded 4 year old hopped up on Fanta
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Mar 12, 2008 7:44:39 PM CDT
This one aint about Rage. It's about becoming a Hero just for on
by thepilgrim
After Whinning about being a Monster for the first hour or so.
Also my bitch ain't with the CGI. I love CGI. My bitch is with Design of Hulk and Abomination. Abom looks like a Swampthing rip off. and Hulk looks like a mashup of Lou Ferrigno, Matt Damon, Rob Lowe and Henry Thomas. I want the comic book version of Hulk
I want the Hulk to look somewhat like this unfinished version of him someone posted over at Pixologic. This is the same program they used to make the Hulk for this movie.
http://tinyurl.com/2x4u8b
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Nick Nolte's character was Absorbing Man. He wasn't Abomination. No, he wasn't the Crusher Creel Absorbing Man either.
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SUCK MY DIRTY BAG! FUCK MTV! FUCK COPYWRITES!
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Are these the Bizzaro message boards? For years now all anyone has done on these boards is complain about Ang Lee's Hulk and rightfully so as that was not a good portrayal of the Hulk. Now we have a trailer with the Hulk being Hulk and a great design and take on the classic character and now you are going to start looking back on Lee's film with some skewed vision of adaquacy. I acknowledge the CG is still rough here and I am sure they will tweek it up until the delivery of the finished product, but to elevate Lee's bright green abomination (no pun intended) of a film now is just insane. This is the way the Hulk should look, the film looks good and the trailer makes me want to see it. Sometimes I think the majority of the people on this board just hate on things because its what's expected of us from the fanboy/geek populace. So if you hate this, fine you're entitled to your opinion, but don't start elevating Lee's film beyond what it was, a long, boring arthouse take that missed its mark.
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Introduced me to Eric Bana.
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More muscular and veiny, as opposed to Ang Lee's baby-fat hulk. I nned to see him in motion for my final judgement. The abomination however... hmmmmm.
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and those fish looked totally cgi. When is this craze for cgi going to end so we can get the stop motion Hulk we all deserve?
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A hero movie is only as good as the villian. Hulk had 2 hours of wacky daddy issues and angst, and 5 minutes of 'Hulk Smash'. Ang Lee blows.
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Why did they even bother to CGI in the Apollo Theater marquee to fool people into thinking it's Harlem when every other storefront from the area - Yonge St. between Gerrard and Gould - is unchanged?!? The strip club Zanzibar (the inspiration for the club in "Flashdance"), The Big Slice pizza joint and all the cruddy shops in the area are unchanged. Even though they're out of business now, the two giant white neon Sam the Record Man circles are lit up. There used to be a great croissant shop on the corner of Yonge & Gerrard that my girlfriend and I loved to go to, so when the first set shots of this scene showed up, I knew instantly where it was. Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/2k95qp
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Hulk Smash !!! Brother!!
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The abmoniation is a perfect name for that as he looks like the ass baby of the sandman and harry from harry and the hendersons. I can imagine alot of lame godzilla roars that sandman made in the spiderman 3 trailer during conception.
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Thank god y'all are the only ones playing video games and watching Pixar movies! Finally someone can fill the educational craters left in the minds of today's CG professionals by the hackshops they work for!
But if you really REALLY want to help the industry, post your advice where they can be sure to read it on the CG forums. Just google for "CG" and "forums". And let me know when you post so I can watch them roll out the red-carpet to ye modern Prometheuses you. -
They were funny!
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sound like he's whining all the damn time?
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For those who missed my first post.http://tinyurl.com/36xqf5Just ignore MTV.
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And their Canada-hating website. I actually want to watch the trailer on your shitty streaming media website, and you won't let me because I'm half an hour from your border. Garbage. I just want to watch some lame CGI hulk out. Dammit! And show those whores from the Hills naked already. Christ, what's wrong with the world? I feel dirty. Thank God for internet anonymity.
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That would be the perfect way to blend real actors into the same movie with these computerized superhero action scenes. They would be able to ad much more elements to the image as well. The movie really doesn't work when you have some scenes all CG and some scenes shot on all live action sets. That was one of the main problems with the STA WARS prequels. Motion capture would be the best way to get the comic book similar aesthetic, doing the whole movie that way would give it an even presentation. Done right I'm sure these movies would make enough money to meet any budget they could have. Anyway I like the fact that Banner has more control and is more in touch with The Hulk in this version, but I think that people are finally gonna appreciate the craftsmanship of Ang Lee's film because this looks like it's on a lower level of caliber. It does look good to see them go after a more faithful approach to the action.
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realistic humans via CGI will not be possible in our lifetimes (or our grandchildrens) so fucking GET OVER IT! The Hulk looks cool in this clip and the film looks fun.
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than the Ang Lee Hulk, that Banner loved what he was which IMO ruined the character, plus that bana guy sucked as an actor and was way to beefy to be banner, norton is a fantastic actor and perfect as banner. I can't wait.
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Once the Hulk beats the shit out of the abomination, he goes on a rampage destroying half of new york. That's how it should play out.
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How quaint. Next thing you know people will be defending Ang Lee's HULK.
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Sounds like we hit close to home.
Our job is done.
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Yes, "Suck it", "Suck it" indeed
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If anyone here wants to fool around with this CG thing, just go here: www.blender.org
It's free open source animation software. You don't even have to register, just hit download. -
Seriously, great program, price is right!
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Ya nailed that my friend.
Lets do it because we can, not because it propels the story.
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the Ultimate team up movie. Much better than the Incrediable Hulk at the Appollo sponsered by ZANZABAR.
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Are you serious? I was laughing when you said your favorite scene was the "take it all"! scene when hulk is fighting his father...That was the most cringe inducing part of the whole movie for me and think it further ruined it. This version seems like theyre going along with something similar to the original idea for a live action hulk by jon henleigh
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Mar 12, 2008 8:12:08 PM CDT
Unreal can look REAL if done right. Pirates 2 for example.
by pixelsmack
Squidbillies Captain of Davey Jones Locker ship looks absolutely real. Even though he was quite unreal.
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looks really shitty in the clip. I was hoping that he'd look cool, but apparently it's not to be. He has a Gamma-Dog-esque quality to him.
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Rupee eh? You wouldn't happen to be Indian would you? Perhaps working at R&H there? ;)
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Man, you guys cry a lot. Imagine if everyone had the power of The Hulk, nerds everywhere would be trashing their parents basements across the globe by now.
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Really???? Because I have to believe that lovers of the Ang Lee film are in the minority here.
And where have you been????- clearly not in typing/spelling classes. "peopel""complainign becasue"
Truly Sad.
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Shit i forgot all about Davey Jones
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I don't think anything in Node32774's post was abrasive enough to warrant the obnoxious tone of the response? He typed a couple of letters in the wrong order, but is clearly bright and articulate and not someone who struggles with spelling. Furthermore, what he said is completely accurate. I read this site all the time and opinion on Lee's Hulk is pretty mixed and quite close to call imho.
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So, why release a trailer, to get everyone interested in a film that is heavily reliant on CG, without having the CG done? If the CG is still being worked on, then I stand corrected and will wait for the final version. All I'm saying is that the content in this trailer, specifically the Abomination, does not inspire me to see the movie.
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Mar 12, 2008 8:26:41 PM CDT
Looks like poor CG or at least poor character design
by stereotypical evil archer
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I can see you're a very sensitive guy and I apologize for making fun of your boyfriend, but I think he is a big boy and probably doesn't need you running to his defenses.
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Well, we all know, that, at least in the Cartoons, Hulk beated the shit outa the Evil guys, doing Hero-Stuff.
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Has anyone heard if he keeps his genius intellect like in the comic books? They better not have changed that since that's kind of the appeal of the character, in fact isn't that why he's bad in the first place?
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the cheesy action started. When the action and special effects are the shittiest part of the trailer, then you know something is wrong.
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For that matter, why do the big bad things in these stupid movies always seem to make it to the Big Apple? At least Ang Lee avoided such an overused cliche and put the Hulk where he belongs, IN THE DESERT.
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No shit, the Hulk isn't real? Thanks for the tip buddy. I don't need it to look "real", I need it to look cool. And this shit doesn't look cool, at all.
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I predict that after people see this senseless rehash of a franchise, Hulk Dogs will make a lot more sense...
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WTF is this CGI bullshit! Seriously, did people bitch when the effects in JASON & THE ARGONAUTS looked like stop-motion, or did they just suspend their disbelief and accept the limitations of the technology?
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Bad CGI alert, if you can't make a convincing Hulk don't make the movie. It's not like there is any audience goodwill, Ang Lee's Hulk was terrible. I just don't understand where people who defend it are coming from. I can just picture these misguided tools in the theatre "One hour of zero action, yes! Hulk Poodles, awesome! Just what I dreamed would make it to the big screen!" I like the direction the new movie was taking and was perfectly happy to issue all involved a mulligan, but the sad fact is that the Hulk Special Effects just aren't good enough. Frankly it's embarrasing.
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You tried twice. Failed twice. Maybe you might show up in Avengers or something.
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Hulk has to be CGI. Big Lou is around 60 (still in great shape, but not the man he was). Most pro bodybuilders are 5'5" to 5'10" - tops. Lou was a freak Height-wise for a pro bodybuilder. Dwarfed Arnie. As for CGI - Suspend your disbelief people and just enjoy it. Animating a human (or big green humanoid) is a lot harder than a dinosaur. We believe Jurassic Park because we don't know how dinosaurs really moved or reacted. But with animated people it is way different. Subconciously, we are all experts on human movement because we see it everyday and everywhere. When it's even a tiny bit off, it is really noticeable. Not to defend Ang's movie (Hulk dog's? C'mon!), but some of the hulk CGI was very good. Remember when Dad first met Hulk in the Lab, just before jumping through the roof? The facial expressions of the hulk in that scene were first rate. Even Gollum worthy? well, at least Hulk didn't say "Preciousssssss" 3,012 times. I have real hope for a big fight scene. This could actually be the first time in the history of superhero films to EVER have a fight between two real superhuman powerhouses will have some real weight to it, and the destruction you would expect, fully realized. No Superman film ever really did that. Not when he fought his fellow Kryptonians in S2. Not when he fought his evil self in S3. And who wasn't uber-disappointed to see him get kicked around by common thugs in Superman Returns? Try Super Cop-out. If anything, this movie could very well force DC's next (hopefully) Superman film to pit the Man of Steel against someone like Bizarro (not the Smallville version) or - dare I hope – Doomsday? They will have to raise the bar physically to compete against what Marvel will (hopefully) accomplish with the new Hulk. I hope this movie is great. Sure it may end up being just "popcorn Blockbuster-ish, but what the hell! With Hulk, Ironman and Batman due this summer, I ain't complaining. So so nobody else. Wait till it gets here then bitch. I still remember all the fanboy crybabies who said, on this very site, "HUgh Jackman's too tall and skinny for Wolverine. He will suck!" and "Tobey Maguire is Spiderman? Nooooooo!!!!!"
BTW, That new Wall.E trailer rocked. That could very well end up being this summers biggest film.
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Mar 12, 2008 8:40:58 PM CDT
I thought this was supposed to be a REBOOT.
by stereotypical evil archer
So what happened? It's a jolly green giant. Hopefully there isn't any stupid "super" jumping, and the whole Nick Nolte crap. Otherwise Eric Bana and Jennifer Connelly were awesome, the rest of the stuff sucked.
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Mar 12, 2008 8:41:41 PM CDT
Well, at least 125th Street looks better than ever ...
by the wolf at the door
Not that anyone would know this if you don't live in Harlem, but the Apollo Theater is not located in Times Square. What's with all the neon lights!?!
I'm officially UN-excited about this movie at this point. I'm a fan of the Ang Lee vision, and I'll call it a "vision" because there was something of substance under the surface. I'll reserve judgment till I see (that is, IF I see it, at this point), but this looks like the predictable reaction of Marvel Studio heads to public reaction - "less thinky, more ACTION, ACTION, ACTION!!!"
Maybe it's just me, but I don't get all that excited about the thought of Super-Punchy-Strong guy going up against Even-More-Super-Punchy-Strong guy.
Sorry to switch media on y'all here, but it's like the good Buffy villains (which required some kind of strategy to be defeated) versus the shitty Buffy villains (which basically required some combination of kick-kick-punch-punch-up-up-down-down-B-A-start to be defeated).
Sigh.
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Mar 12, 2008 8:42:16 PM CDT
Should've been Gray Hulk, Should've been a man in a suit
by stereotypical evil archer
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I'm hoping this one gets lost in the shuffle. Ang Lee's cerebral take on the Hulk alienated the knuckle dragging half of the audience, so why alienate the pretentious half by rebooting the franchise? This pleases nobody.
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Mar 12, 2008 8:43:42 PM CDT
YUCKO... I got a serious Herb Trimpe 70s vibe off this
by theghostwholurks
...And not in a GOOD way. This film looks pretty simple-minded, even for the Hulk. Maybe it's all of the stuff they've ripped off of the Bixby/Ferringo TV series, but it looks vastly inferior to Ang Lee's Hulk, regardless of how much people LOVE to rip the first movie.Even the CGI looks weaker... The Abomination looks like a walking pile of dinosaur droppings, or a stand-in for Grendel from Beowulf!Great actors, but based on this trailer, it ain't enough to make me eager to spend money on the film. It SURE as heck ain't IRON MAN!Heck, it's not even Speed Racer... :(
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I'd forgotten that he'd implied you were sad. Being so sensitive, I should have known how someone would feel after such an attack. I'll try not to get too upset about the (admittedly clever) 'boyfriend' jibe now that I know that it was said from a place of hurt. If it helps, we all get 'sad' sometimes and it's ok to cry.
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So much negativity. No wonder you lil' boys are a hairs width away from snapping at school. You should really examine the roots to such meaningless complaining. On the trailer. Amazing! I can bitch a little about the CG and would like traditional FX mixed in but I'll see what the final product looks like. I loves me some great animation anytime so I let it slide. Remember lil' boys deep breath exhale.... relax.
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what the hell is ryan seacrest doing on this site? he should be out there getting laid by maria menounous ..not wabbling on about a comic book movie.
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Everybody whining about JUSTICE LEAGUE not doing 10 separate movies with each character to set it all up first might consider what happens if half the audience hates the setup movies. I predict that alot of you will hate this Hulk and like Iron Man and vice versa.
But I don't know, I will watch it. It looks like it could be good, although I thought it would look more different from the Ang Lee version. I love the Ang Lee HULK but I'm up for the dumb action movie version too. My only worry is that instead of getting the TRANSPORTER 2 guy (he did part 2, not part 1) to do the TRANSPORTER 2 version of the Hulk they instead got him to try to do an alternate universe Ang Lee version. That's been my worry ever since I heard Ed Norton was rewriting the script, and if it's true that he's fighting over the editing that supports the theory. You think this guy's trying to make a "Hulk smashing shit" movie and that's why he wants it edited different? Not likely.
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So stupid. Hulk looks meh. Why reboot so soon?
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THIS, I guarantee. :)
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Whine whine whine, I hate myself. Jesus fucking christ why don't they just make hulk a cutter.. I know the CGI will get better, the first trailers always look like shit...
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The effects we've seen so far are spectacular. I'm not a big Marvel fan but Iron Man was always a fav.
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Looks like a Younger version of the last one!?Why'd they run the risk of doing such a similar CGey version when they should have at least tried to please folks who wanted a recognisable classic looking HULK!looks like a better film than the last one and I trust Ed and Tim Roth to kick it out the park performance wise but they just can't seem to nail the big guys even after the likes of Golum showed the way, wonder why? This hopefully won't rely too much on the CG and be a good story but like the creatures in I am Legend I hope the FX don't spoil the experience!
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In fact, he shouldn't even have a neck. Just big fucking shoulders, back and head. No neck. Too necky!!
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Thats Broadway? Couldv'e sworn it was Yonge St in Toronto (then again with all the crack heads stomping around these two would hardly be noticed)
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hopefully it's not ninety minutes of Bruce Banner running away and ten minutes of Hulk fighting a Tyrant. Hee hee. Did you see what I did there? I referenced one of my own movies...
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The dumb part was how the Hulk threw a tank half a mile and no one inside the tank died...that was just dumb kiddiefied bullshit. But the rest of it with the military attacking him was way cool. Unfortunately, that was the only 1/10 of the film and the rest of it consistently sucked. But the Hulk himself looked fine and this CG Hulk will look close enough too. Hopefully the budget is big enough for the Hulk to SMASH lots of stuff and they don't make him too heroic. Hulk should kill at least accidentally kill a few innocent bystanders to gain cred, but this probably won't happen. But lets hope this film is at least one or two steps up from the worthless FF films that were made for 8 year olds.
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WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU EXPECTING!?! Looked really good to me. They even used the Ultimates, drop me out of a plane to get me to turn. Abomination looked cool. THe hulk looked like a good mix of the 70s version and the Ang Lee version. I have been hearing nothing but bitching about the Ang Lee version for years and now all the sudden its sweet in comparison. HA! Make up your mind...
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were on screen, but as the action started heating up it slowly turned into a frown. The film will have two high level actors doing their best as the H.M.S. Hulk sinks into the ocean. This is going to be a travesty.
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good point...we should be saying "where's your fucking neck" when looking at the Hulk. He is a bit too thin and streamlined looking in that trailer..he is supposed to be a big hulking mass of muscle and anger.
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baha!
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Human or otherwise, green skin always looks fake because, unless it's a snake, it will always look like the wrong color. The Ang Lee Hulk had some great animation for the most part, and this one doesn't look too bad, but Hulk, by its very design, is problematic for a live action film. It's like trying to make the Grinch look real - it's just too over-the-top to ever look convincing.
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And anyone who thinks otherwise has been suckling at the teet of Lucas too long. Guess which live action version of the HULK most people have fond memories of? Lou Ferrigno in a fright wig. Have you seen the costume effects in any Del Toro film? I have no doubt that they could cover a body builder in foam and latex and it would look miles better than this CGI shit.
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I'm semi excited about this
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And I think Brian Azarello did that first in his Startling Stories: Banner mini-series drawn by Richard Corben. I could be wrong about that, but I think that came out before Ultimates and did have the same device of throwing Banner out of the plane....cool comic with a great beatdown of Doc Samson by the Hulk.
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Remember that toilet ghoulie from Ghoulies parts I and II? There's your inspiration. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR1cdRDVV1I Remove the spaces, yadda yadda yadda.
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To all of you whiners about Ang Lee's Hulk...
Here's your absolutely crappy looking 're-boot'. Geez-o-man. Does that look like CGI from 8 years ago. I'm speechless about how bad the 'running' scene looked.
You all take the new 'Incredible Hulk', I'm going to stick to my guns with Ang's version. At least at this point, it looks a whole helluva lot better.
Give me a movie with soul any day. This one is starting to look like a Roland Emmerich (Mr. ID4) does Hulk.
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It's that dude Molasar from Michael Mann's The Keep.
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Awwww, cheapo CGI house, eh Marvel? Better head over the ILM QUICK LIKE A BUNNY!
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I can assume it's not done yet? I did like what was going on though. The way they run towards each other. That was badass!
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I'm not wild about the size of the Hulk again. He just looks to big & the Abomination looks even bigger. These are not giant creature movies. If the Hulk even stands next to Iron man or some other hero it will look ridiculous.
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I loved Ang Lee's Hulk, and I'll remain optimistic about this one. I'm sure it will be fun.
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What were you expecting. Lou Ferrigno size?
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I liked Ang Lee's HULK, all it lacked was a good extended HULK SMASH! part at the end. I don't like that this new one seems more spun off of the tv series than the comics, but it still looks like it could be cool. Why do I get the feeling that Tim Roth is gonna own this one.
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Why do all the Marvel movies that suck, suck really fucking hard? Because one the story is shit, and two no one gives a damn about the characters. So you can have the Hulk smashing shit for two hours and call it Transformers 1.5, or you can trust Norton (who hasn't let us down yet) do his thing and let the character of Banner come through.
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it would be worse than what you're complaining about now.
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There's nothing terribly exciting about this. At least "Iron Man" will be good. Maybe.
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He's giving off some good Bill Bixby vibes.
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Would look horrible and I don't advocate the use of this technology. Fantastic Four anyone?
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1337news.com if you still care to see it
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People can just never be happy on this board.
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Norton seems to like these split personality things. First Tyler Durden, now Hulk. YOU ARE NOT A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE!
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Too much talk about the CGI. 85% of this movie is gonna be real people acting. Good cast too. Ed Norton - AWESOME (better than Bana). Tim Roth - AMAZING (I love you too honeybunny) William Hurt - SOLID. Liv Tyler - umm adequate? Shoulda been Selma Blair (actually she should have been Lois Lane). Comic movies have been a who's who of Hollywood greats lately (Bale, Caine, Freeman Neeson, Oldman, Downey, JAckson, Howard, Cage). I am talking first class actors and not just "names" like Cruise. Real solid Oscar worthy actors. The majority of these films will rely on their performances. That is what will make them great. Special effects are just icing on the cake. Sure, we want the Hulk to "hulk out" but in reality, he will likely get 20 minutes screentime tops.
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ME LIKE SMASH!!! RRRRROOOOOAAAARRRGH!!!
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You can add Primal Fear to that list too.
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I think I just pooped myself...
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Spike Lee flick with Norton as the lead. There was a cool kinda split personality, dissociative moment, but it wasn't the whole theme. Good movie, though.
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What are you morons retarded? The Hulk is supposed to be immense. That's why he's the HULK not the SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN NORMAL MAN. You people are judging a trailer where you see the Hulk for all of 2 seconds. Fuck man, give it a chance.
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I'll be there in line
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or low rez? even the 1080p one. compare it to the quality of the WALL-E HD trailer yesterday. Which was stunning quality!
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And when you keep the film in that text (a giant green man) I think this trailer looks fucking awesome. I really expected alot worse and I remember how BAD the first Hulk movie superbowl ad looked. THIS looks EXACTLY like a Hulk movie should look! I also like how they went for the TOTAL comic book look, ripped pants, ripped muscles, shaggy black hair. IMO they are really trying to please the fans this time.
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It's the fuckin Hulk! what the fuck do you want him to be like??? overly huge and constantly getting bigger like lee's? really? or do you miss the fuckin hulk poodle? I don't hate the first attempt at hulk and i commend Ang Lee for trying something different, but most of that movie missed it's mark. I want my hulk unchubby and tearing through shit....and i want a villain...not a face in the water..lake/nolte monster.
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"realistic humans via CGI will not be possible in our lifetimes (or our grandchildrens) so fucking GET OVER IT!"
So, computers can be invented and accelerated from ginormous machines that processed math to itty bitty things that can render 3D models and do all sorts of other nearly impossible computational work in the span of several decades...but they won't get realistic human cgi within the next 100 years? Yeah right.
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The look of Ang's Hulk was the best part of his boring movie, but this design blows the old one away. Ang's was too square, bulky, and clumsy. His biceps looks like fat tits.
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For a trailer that made me poop myself, I gotta be in! I'M thinking this is how the first movie should've been done, with a guy who resembles the nerdy character of Bruce Banner but also is in enough shape to handle the pressure of having a role like this. Tyler is the "50/50" in this cast but for the rest, pretty solid. If Norton signed on, then this means the movie will have a good plot to it.I do think Elliot looked closer to the General, but what the hell, you can't win 'em all.Other than that I'll be in line within the first few days!
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buti miss Bana. Norton dont seem to fit.
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LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOR!
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You could edit a decent Hulk film out of what Lee shot except for the fact that you'd still be stuck with Eric Bana. Take out the dogs, take out God-Dad and just end with Nolte electrocuting himself, shave off a few go-nowhere scenes here and there and The Hulk gets a pass. The shot at the very end with them leaping at each other is a cool comic kind of shot but the rest looked like absolute shit, especially the rendering of the hulk, he looks like he should be pulled skin tight and made into a pair of pants for Posh Spice.
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The effects look nice. And for all those people who bitch about CGI just remember, a mere 20 years ago the Hulk would have been made of PLASTICINE. So our eyeballs have a nicer time at the movies now than they did back in the day. :)
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Mar 12, 2008 9:48:23 PM CDT
Barely anyone is complaining about HULK being CG
by judge dredds fresh undies
They are complaining about the fact its SHIT CG. Ang's Hulk was not too bulky it made more sense anatomically which is a major reason why this version doesn't look as pleasing to the eye.
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According to the comic book source material Hulk gets bigger and stronger the angrier he gets.
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You're post was so fuckin' dumb I mean why bother?? Why do so many UN-funny people come here and try to be FUNNY? Try stupid little one liners that make absolutely no sense to no one but them. You wanna try standup go to a comedy board u fuckin CORNBALL.
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When it first came out? Looks like shit, huh? but then they went back, oh and it looks great. Shut the fuck up crybabies.
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...you got TOLD! That's what my boy would say..
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Lou Ferrigno!
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HELL YEAH!! Looks INCREDIBLE!!!
Finally, a trailer from the movie. Was wondering when we'd ever get one. I've always loved the HULK, and I think it all looks like quality work. Absolutely love Norton as Banner.
I find it so funny how people on these TB say crap like "TDK will own" or "Iron Man will own". Why do you want one to own more than the other? Seriously? I'm a comic book fan. Have been for years. I look forward to my favorite characters coming to the big screen. Do I want one movie to "win" over another? No. I just hope for the best movie about a beloved comic character.
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i'm betting Cameron and the Weta guys are taking some enormous CGI steps as we speak.or write...
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Of course this looks to be closer a adaptation to the source material than those bullshit Resident Evil flicks. And oh yeah, Have ya met the Target dog yet?
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As an ardent Ang Lee Hulk supporter, I will see at least see this retoot because Mr. Roth is in it. From his early British films like "Made in Britain" and "Meantime" to his turn in American indies, as a director ("The War Zone"), in bigger films like the chimp general in "Planet of the Apes", and most recently in Coppola's "Youth Without Youth", T. Roth has consistently delivered. I even met the guy briefly at a film party once, and he was the most humble unpretentious guy in the room. While I regret this "other" Hulk won't have any Hulkified Shar-Peis, I look forward to seeing Mr. Roth on the screen again.
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Mar 12, 2008 10:02:31 PM CDT
Liked Ang Lee's, Norton having control will mean a good film.
by warp11
Ed Norton won't let a piece of crap film come out. They gave him a lot of say about the final product. This will work out.
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as mentioned by someone else, was when he breaks out of the isolation/water tank. The way he spasms and "rages" was quite good. I don't get the hate for Lee's film. I loved it, save for the Nolte turns into a mushroom cloud part, and some pacing/tightening up issues.
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Vern, please note you are incorrect; Leterrier did in fact co-direct the original Transporter movie with Corey Yuen. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0504642/)
Just because people do not like individual films does not mean they will not see and ensemble superhero film. Individual films have no barring on an ensemble piece. If that were the case, then what would be the outcome of a film in which certain characters were not liked on an individual basis in the larger film? Thus, is it the character or a preconceived notion of that character based on previous films? Do we all forget this is all in the land of make-believe? Let us simply enjoy.
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I need someone to blame, Stan Lee, Ed, anybody. The Hulk looks terrible.
If this gets bad reviews I'm not going. How could you do two bad versions in five years?
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HAHAHA! So for 5 years Ang Lee's Hulk is the worst thing ever. Then you see this which pretty much takes on all the criticisms of the Ang Lee version (Comparable villain, more action, less pyscho mumbo jumbo etc) and now love Ang Lee version and hate this new one. Even though it is supposedly everything the fan base said they wanted. Albeit maybe not the exact look of the Hulk. Just seems foolish. You know it is really easy to hate and criticism and much harder to defend. Especially when the criticism is so knee jerk and constant.
Also. I liked Ang Lee's Hulk. I disliked the dogs and the final weird ass ten minutes with Absorbing man. All the other stuff I really dug.
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Mar 12, 2008 10:16:20 PM CDT
Ed Norton Leterrier and fanboys team up to fuck a franchise
by reflecto
ANG LEE WILL BE AVENGED
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The New Hulk, i love it, but how's it believable that Norton's rubbery soft face turns into the angular godlike face of Hulk? His features suddenly change too? He's a good actor but not better than Bana, who does have the chiseled face that could feasibly turn green & big. If Bana was boring as Banner i blame Ang and the script. I mean, even this new Hulk's face looks like it's based on Bana's face. I sure dont see no Norton in there.
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what the hell!!!!!!!?? I'm still gonna see this, but I think Ang Lee's hulk looked waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than this. but still gonna watch.
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I just want a decent Hulk film.
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... Was a flawed masterpiece.
It wasn't a bad film. It's just misunderstood. It wasn't the film people were looking for.
Ang Lee's Hulk is like the lover who beats you, but you love anyway. The woman who cheats on you, but you forgive because she's just so damn hot.
Ang's Hulk looked awesome, and frankly doesn't look that different from this version except his Hulk was bigger..
You guys are acting like a bunch of whinging fucking women.
If they really wanted to have some balls and do an original reboot they'd have the grey Mr Fixit Hulk and set this in Madripoor with Wolverine masquerading as Patch as well.
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I don't know. It might live or die based on the quality of the CGI. Fingers crossed!
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Hulk show you all.
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Mar 12, 2008 10:24:48 PM CDT
After this flops they'd better go for gonzo microverse Hulk
by reflecto
Get Del Toro or someone else to do Hulk in the microverse with Jarella, Mr. Fixit Hulk, Pantheon Hulk...
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Mar 12, 2008 10:26:04 PM CDT
Sorry, but Ang Lee's version will be the dumber of the two
by industrykiller!
Just a horrendous, incredibly stupid, all over the place film. I mean jesus look at Nick Nolte's performance. He makes Jeremy Irons in Dungeons and Dragons look like Marlon Brando by comparison. I have absolutely no idea how Lee convinced certain people that the faux melodrama of The Hulk is actually intelligent cinema. The whole child abuse angle is the stuff that B-movie dreams are made of, it's so overblown yet somehow remains so underdeveloped. Not to mention (if you read the GQ cover article this month) Lee completely stymied all the talent that Eric Bana usually offers and got a wooden performance out of him. I don't know what character he was playing, but it wasn't Bruce banner. And two words that cannot be said enough times: Hulk dogs. This film actually looks like it has a base understanding of its subject material. And god knows with Norton writing it will have a FAR better script. The dialogue is already tighter.
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Why don't you try picking up a comic book. Bruce banner looks more like Edward Norton than he does Eric bana. This whole "Hulk has to look like a modified Banner" bullshit is something that was invented for Lee's version. Banner is a scientist, not an angular jock. The only reason they cast Eric Bana the first time is because he had a lot of hype surrounding him after Chopper and Hollywood wanted to capitalize, not because he was right for the part. I feel bad the way they used Bana there because he's typically a fantastic actor.
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"FACT: If it is your habit to instantly bash everything on a first impression, you obviously have oustanding taste. (Hats off to you.)"
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Mar 12, 2008 10:34:45 PM CDT
STEP RIGHT UP!! and prove your TalkBack Street Cred!!
by maxwell's hammer
1) Shit all over Ang Lee's soulful and thoughtful rendition of "The Hulk"!!
2) Shit all over the 'bad special effects' of a movie that is still in production and probably hasn't even finished its special effects!
Seriously people, you guys are the ones who give geeks a bad name. The guy in 2003 who stood up in the middle of "The Hulk" and shouted, "This shit is stupid!" is no different than the guy in January who stood up in the middle of "There Will Be Blood" and shouted, "What is this horse-shit?" Seriously, people. -
Ahem Ang Lee yeah.
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Did you just compare The Hulk to There Will Be Blood?? Have a fucking sense of differentiation man. One of those films is actually soulful and thoughtful, and one of them is Ang Lee's only unwatchable film. You guess which is which.
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because the Hulk is a two-dimensional character. It's never been interesting in any incarnation. Maybe if they did a Defenders movie with Doc Strange, The Hulk, The Silver Surfer and Sub-Mariner I might be interested but the Hulk cannot be the central character of anything interesting.
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shoot that CGI with some more steroids
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It seems like we've had this conversation before. Maybe if we do this enough, some Hulk enlightenment will actually get through (to you), like the Miracle Worker to Hellen Keller, "D-O-L-L...Doll!!" The brilliance of Ang Lee's Hulk didn't just lay in the "melodrama", but in Ang's metaphorical themes, such as the human condition, where do we come from, where are we going? I don't believe Bruce was ever abused by David Banner in the film. In fact, he's shown as quite a loving father, until he realizes he can't save him, and thus realizes he must destroy him. Eric Bana's performance was repressed for a reason, because that's what Ang Lee's films are about, repression. It would have made less sense if Bruce Banner was a happy go-lucky partying houligan. Hulk Dogs made sense because they were an evolution step in the Hulk process: Hulk Rat, Hulk Dogs, Hulk Bruce, Hulk-God-Dad. See? And what else would give Hulk a run for his money other than another kind of Hulk? The army? Hardly? You save the Hulk-God-Dad for the end. So, turn man's best friend into a Hulk, and you have the perfect pre-main event warm-up adversary. Plus, Hulk Dogs were in the comic book, if you didn't know. And base understanding of subject material? Let's be real, it was from a comic book created by Stan Lee based on Frankenstein and Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde with a little 50's B-movie radiation monster material thrown in. Ang Lee elevated the material above its roots, while also taking it back to its roots.
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You can argue about which movie between the two better, but I wasn't making a comparison between the films as much as I was comparing the douchebags who see them and feel the need to very vocally advertise their disdain as proof of how cool they are.
Why do people think its cool to see a good movie, then scream to everyone about how they think it sucks? Aren't there enough authentically bad movies out there to bitch about without tearing down what few quality films we are given the privelage of seeing? -
This trailer didn't do IT. Im left with a MEH. Iron Man sold me. The Dark Knight sold me. Nothing in this sells me or makes me care. Its a mixture of Bourne meets Hulk. So it comes down to Hulk facing Hulk? Stupid to re release Hulk like this. They should have set up Hulk in the end of Iron Man 1 and make Iron Man's sequel be Iron Man Hunts Hulk with help from War Machine of course.
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...that is one of Hulk's powers. Check your "Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe."
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I was that guy who stood up in the theaters and said "What is this horse shit?" No, not really, but if I had less respect for my fellow moviegoers, I would have. TWBB, most pretentious movie I've seen since Magnolia (missed Punch Drunk Love). "I drink your milkshake! I drink it uppp!!" (while doing poor imitation of DD Lewis doing poor imitation of John Houston) Puh-leeez....
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IndustryKiller, yes i have read the comics, why do you think im spending time here? Isnt that why we are all here? The movie looks great, but in a movie more than in the comic; it doesnt make sense that the characteristics of the face changes.
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When he's Ang Lee! As you recall he was motion captured for some of the scenes.
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Looks like the monster from "Basket Case" without the basket. (The head anyway)
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if she loves him?
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You’re right, this is America. People shouldn’t have an opinion, they should just sit on their hands and swallow any bullshit that’s thrown at them.
Stupid crazy people for venting, the nerve.
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The background plates for those 2 images were shot around the corner from my home... God love the uber late Friday night visits to the BIG SLICE!
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I hate it when people say "THIS IS AMERICA" on the internet.
No, dickhead, this is the internet. Online we are stateless, in a virtual land.
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But not as awesome as watching Corey Feldman talk about Lost Boys 2. Cheap looking vampires are so gonna own our asses! The hell with Iron Man and Dark knight. I waana see me some vampire hunters with squirt guns and listen to some INXS songs. Death by stereo!
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Mar 12, 2008 11:16:32 PM CDT
im done with this site. this looks absolutely awesome.
by the_one_man_gang
the poeple on here are fucking DUMB. if you dont think that was cool as fucking shit you fucking suck and thats all i can say. its just fucking annoying to think that people wouldnt like this. go fuck yourselves. that cgi was great by the way. and the story and acting looks relevant.
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Just flex neck muscles and roar. By the way, I watched the second ever Incredible Hulk TV episode (after the Pilot) and the Hulk tit-slammed a karate goon. That's right, he slammed him with his incredible pectorals. Incredible the things he hulked out over: like not having change for the phone and getting stuck in traffic.
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Mar 12, 2008 11:18:42 PM CDT
f you trombone...the tv show fucking blew get over it
by the_one_man_gang
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I have no problem with people voicing their opinions, and I even accept 100% that there were people who didn't like "The Hulk" or "There Will Be Blood" or whatever movie...its just that a lot of the vitriol in the TalkBacks rings a little hollow and artifically exaggerated for the purpose of racking up the afore-mentioned street cred.
Having a legitimate complaint about a movie is totally valid. Shitting on a movie to prove how cool you are is stupid.
How do you tell the different between the two? What do I look like? Some kind of know-it-all whose word is the final verdict on EVERYTHING? No, that's everyone else in TalkBack. Ask them. -
Have I mentioned my dislike of 'Hulk' before?
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In one of the made for TV movies I believe 'The Trial of the Incredible Hulk' he died from falling/jumping out of a plane onto the runway...
WTF is up with him jumping out of a helicopter to change into the Hulk out of fear of death from hitting the ground? This will be out on DVD in 2-3 months after it's theater run and even though I will see it I bet it will be a major studio disappointment. Too soon to reimagine the franchise... The people who liked the first probably wont care about this one because it's a new cast, new facts, new re-image... Fans of the Hulk character that hated the first movie will probably wait til' home video to avoid being burned again and would rather rent it for $1.00 a RedBox, etc...
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Ahh, ya got me Pal and I partially stand corrected but since the incidence he’s talking about happened here in the States (gad, dare I say the good old US of A) and since this site is based out of the states (because other sites from around the world blow or you wouldn’t be here) I stand by my statement.
But I applaud you for your opinion.
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So why are they using Hank Pym and Scott Lang, when Eric O'Grady is obviously the best fit for Edgar Wright?
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And who thought this abomination looked better than the comic version?! Damn it. I know the CGI's probably unfinished, but the Hulk's build looks goofy.
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"How do you tell the different between the two?"
That is the million dollar question.
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...its more posturing than opinion.
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If this was shot twenty years ago it'd be stop motion or some extremely elaborate Henson workshop getup and it would look even worse.
That's probably one reason they never did a Hulk movie before.
At least this way it looks pretty good. Not that I don't miss Ray Herryhausen, or a green Lou Ferrigno for that matter. -
Oops I meant incident
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Sure, they might knock it out of the park with the new Hulk, who knows? Let's look at what we've got and set our expectations accordingly: Louis Leterrier, director of such films as The Transporter 1 & 2. We've got Zak Penn writing (take a look at his previous work, I don't think I have to try to convince you this man is an enormous hack). Ed Norton was brought in to script doctor the thing, and sure, he's been in some good films, but he has no previous writing credits (at least according to imdb). And most importantly, the trailer sucks. Sure, the movie might be the Godfather part 4, but they neglected to hint at anything even remotely interesting or exciting in the trailer.
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Well, I really don't quite know what to say about what I just watched. It wasn't utter shit, but that trailer didn't make me very hyped for the movie, either. It could have been better, but it could have been much worse. I don't put full faith in trailers, anyway. Stardust had an awful trailer, but turned out to be a pretty fun movie.
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realistically, and that's a Tv show. Things tremble, things break etc.
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Trailer sorta sucks but I gotta say, as a TO native, I LOVE seeing Sam's and Big Slice in the background! I go to school right behind Sam's so seeing the Hulk running down Yonge St is pretty fucking amazing. HAHA! Awesome. Cannot wait to see the entire thing (even if it does suck)
I got some pics for this scene (minus the Hulk) while they were shooting. Check 'em out.
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i mean really .... unless betsy ross was taking care of the build up, i'd be hulking out all the time due to anxiety.
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Maxwell, I like you and that’s my opinion.
But then again I like the Beetles.
Having an opinion is what makes sites like this fun. Yes there are people that just like to play devil’s advocate but every once in a while some dumb shit like me gets tired of subpar entertainment.
I find myself more and more each year seeing a preview and thinking “well that’s a wait for DVD” Only to have it come out in 4 different versions. Even the whole going to a theater experience blows.
Audiences suck because they think still they are at home, movies cost more than ever and for what?
The only time I go to a theater now is with my kid and to bask in the new digital screens we have. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for “them movie guys” to make a decent product now and then instead of shoveling the same crap at us all the time.
When it comes to comic book translations it’s the same thing every time you have years of source material…just make it!
I love movies, (all genres) I’ve grown up with movies, and I’ve worked on movies.
We get constantly soaked by Hollywood and for me at least it’s starting to take its toll.
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It's an inner survival instinct, maybe you should read some comics, but the hulk inside Bruce Banner won't let him die which is why he can never commit suicide.
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Peter David's run was brilliant. and hulk was the centre of planet hulk which was great.
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Enough of the inevitable comparisons between Lee's film and this already. I really liked that first film, but this one feels more faithful to the comic. The meditation scene (right out of Bruce Jones' run), the helicopter drop (from the Ultimates) and an old-fashioned Marvel smashup - all of this seems like a good comics adaptation. Comics reboot all the time. We can have a universe with a Stan Lee Hulk, a Peter David Hulk, a Paul Jenkins Hulk, even a Greg Pak Hulk (if we must). It's really ok. We can have a more artistic Ang Lee Hulk, and a more action-y Ed Norton Hulk. I'm looking forward to any incarnation of my Marvel heroes on the screen. Even if it's shit like Fantastic Four or X3.
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Hey, it's been a long day of poopie diapers and crazy kids.
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FUCK HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE STUPID! That is taken form The Ultimates where SHIELD throws out Bruce Banner to fight the Chitauri, but Bruce can't turn on when he wants to so they force it, and he changes before he hits the ground like a survival instinct.
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Yay, we're buddies now!
I can appreciate a distate for the disappointment that oozes from most popular films. I see a lot of movies, but I didn't realize how outside the mainstream my viewing habits were until I was talking to some of my students the other day (they're 7th and 8th graders) and I realized I hadn't seen most of the movies that they watch and enjoy. I guess I'm lucky that I live in the DFW area, where there is actually a fair number of theaters where I can catch stuff outside the mainstream. And because a lot of it is outside the mainstream, the mainstream stays away from the theater I'm usually sitting in (except at the Magnolia, which is full of pretentious assholes who are sort of upscale snobby versions of teenager assholes checking their cell-phones and having casual conversations about dinner during the movie)...but I digress.
I have no idea what my point was, but ultimately, I really liked "The Hulk" when it first came out, and I caught it on Sci-Fi the other day, and still liked it, which I think confirms that I really liked it.
You didn't like it. Peace to you.
A bunch of douchebags in here heard some people complaining about it, and like a 10-year old seeing his older brother smoking, decided people would think they were cool if they took a drag too. -
If you don't want to have the proper character, and you want to change the look of one of the few baddies that can actually hand Hulk his ass, why put the Abomination in this fucking movie??
Why not call him Ted Lazlo, Pontiac salesman who lost his girl and his job and fell into some Hulk shit while driving drunk, and boy is the world gonna pay!
Seriously, that ain't the fucking Abomination. That is the Abortion. Could've jumped right off one of the signs posted outside the free clinic.
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they share a special hug that results in the devastating birth of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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You'd think after the prequels, LOTR, POTC, Transformers etc. that CG standard would look at least REMOTELY good.
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This is movie you idiots complained into existence after the Ang Lee masterpiece...enjoy tards!
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I've got no problem with the CGI and the tone looks good.
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I wanted to be interested, but it just doesn't grab me. I'm actually a bit shocked at how a lot of it looks like Lee's film--did they film it in the same house, for Pete's sake? The street fight looks lame--Hellboy was much better.Why did they re-do this one again?
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I know what you mean, I took my daughter to see Nightmare Before Christmas in 3D (yea I know it was like watching a view master but the print was clear) and a kid that sat next to her thought he was seeing Nightmare on Elm Street and decided to text his baseball hat, crappy graphics on a hoodie wearing friends to let them know till I politely asked him to turn it off because he was a douche and I was going to shove it up his Ahh Dude ass if he didn’t.
I liked Ang Lees Hulk and here’s why. It was a comic book storyline hulk dogs and all. The Hulk himself was pretty cool (especially the desert scenes) and really reminded me of the comic when I was a child. I really dug him strutting and jumping across the desert for some reason.
But the most important part is that I totally forget about the crappy ending with his dad and the energy cloud thingy, I put it out of my mind every time and as long as I can sustain that I’m fine with the film.
I read in an earlier post where someone commented on re editing the original to make it a palatable movie and they are absolutely right.
Having said all that and as I said earlier this Hulk looks bad he’s to thin the CG is too obvious for 2008 and he has that emo haircut. Then again the tank scene in the Ironman super bowl spot looked like crap and now it looks great.
What do I know I’m just a crappy graphic artist and sculptor with 12 years of experience.
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Mar 13, 2008 12:25:42 AM CDT
ANYONE SEE THIS YET? BRAND NEW JURASSIC PARK 4 TRAILER
by saluteyourshorts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aww8vhCkmuw&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aww8vhCkmuw&feature=related
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Mar 13, 2008 12:31:27 AM CDT
Sam Neil returns and leads the DinoHuman Hybrid Army
by saluteyourshorts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aww8vhCkmuw&feature=related
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Mar 13, 2008 12:33:39 AM CDT
DIDNT WORK BEFORE...Jurassic Park 4 trailer now ONLINE
by saluteyourshorts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy2kAfHHids
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And try harder next time.
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I agree with a lot of what folks have said so far in reaction to this trailer. Obviously we can only speculate until we see the movie but at this point I think this movie will make us appreciate Ang's much more. While that movie was not perfect it A) had some great aspects to it and B) tried to do something intelligent. Aside from looking like Matrix Revolutions, this trailer clearly shows us the feel they are going for in this new movie. In reaction to Lee's movie, they will dumb this movie down big time. Hulk will be a savior hero. The plot will be simple. etc. etc. Again, all this is just speculation until we see a theatrical trailer and then subsequently the actual movie. But as of now, these are my thoughts and speculations. This trailer did not do it for me.
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Everyone bitches about this and that, saying it could be like this and like that... but they will all be there on opening day to see this movie along with all the other movies that you complain about. Then youll go out and buy the DVDs on release day and still bitch about how bad of a movie it was.
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Seriously how can some of you say that they shouldn't use cgi to create the Hulk?..The freakin guy is 10 feet tall and green....how the hell are you going to use a real actor and make that look believable. And don't even tell me that they were able to do that in the old tv show, because i cant honestly look at that Hulk from the show and not laugh my ass off. Seriously some of you people just need to acknowledge that sometimes cgi needs to be used in a movie.
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it looks great.... gonna be a great sequel....and yes its a sequel, not a reboot. it was mentioned by a producer or one of the cast that it takes place 5 yrs after the original...and if u read the synopsis on this site...it says banner has been on the run for years..clearly a sequel...if it was a reboot it would show him gettin gamma'd all over again...and the CG is not bad...ur all a bunch of whiners..like so many have said thus far...the original movie was great...the problem is with all u brainless pussy farts, if there isnt non stop action and someone actually pauses to say something or there is a romantic angle , your one brain cell implodes...and someone also mentioned that hulks skin tone looks better, how does a giant green mans skin tone look better, hes green! as for the complaints about the super jumping and how the hulk kept growing the more he got angry in the first movie, its all in the comics..go check em out.....cant wait !
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Mar 13, 2008 1:03:27 AM CDT
I can do better animation with a pile of clay but I'll still wat
by mistergreen
the story looks interesting.. The animation so far looks like poop.
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http://tinyurl.com/3dw86p
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i dug the first hulk movie & i'm sure this one will be even better. batman , iron-man , & hulk. what a year
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oh the humanity!!!
i think everyone that made that trailer teaser whatever was bored out of their skulls. is this a joke????
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http://tinyurl.com/36xqf5
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...looked good in SOME scenes, but in others looked a lot like an inflatable balloon that shoulda been in the Macy's Thanksgiving parade. Understand: I WANTED to like that film, and I LOVED the last shot of that trailer (making like the tank was a discus!). But no: it was a long, bloated mess; and Bana looked like he coulda kicked anyone's ass WITHOUT going green. The best thing about the new trailer is the look of Hulk himself; Norton, much as I like him, seems to be playing the same character he did in Fight Club and Red Dragon--I don't really see Dr. Bruce Banner there. Of course, it's only a trailer. But I have to admit, much as I want to see this, the newest Speed Racer trailer is indeed far more exciting.
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to do a reboot?... The hulk looks the same to me, minor differences i guess.. They should have just kept Eric Bana and got a new director if they didnt like what Lee did. Just build off the first movie and add some more action..
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Speed Racer... are you kidding me? sorry but that looks like some coked-up japanese soda commercial. I can't believe the brilliant minds behind the original Matrix have fallen to this level.
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Is not in the movie mystery men, What the fuck movie is this line in!!!!
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You must go to Ryerson then eh? I'm there too, I loled hard at the picture of The Big Slice behind the Hulk on the main page considering it's the usual drunk pizza shop.
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I do hope they work on the animation a bit, before release. Kinda like the original Iron Man trailer with the tank scene, compared to the improved one. It seems like the Iron Man CGI is much better than what I've seen in this trailer. I'm still seeing this movie, regardless.
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...and that's what killed the first film. If you can't put a convincing Hulk up on the screen, then the entire movie collapses. This new improved CGI looks no better than the previous version. The Abomination is laughably bad!
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How would you guys rate Marvel's movies so far? Here is my list from best to least...
1. X-Men 2:United
2. Spiderman 2
3. Blade 2
4. X-Men
5. Spiderman
6. X-men 3: The last Stand
7. Daredevil
8. Hulk
9. Spiderman 3
10. Blade
11. Punisher
12. Fantastic 4
13. Blade Trinity
14. Fantasic 4: rise of the surfer
15. Elektra
16. Ghost rider
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How would you guys rate Marvel's movies so far? Here is my list from best to least... 1) X-Men 2:United 2) Spiderman 2 3) Blade 2 4) X-Men 5) Spiderman 6) X-men 3: The last Stand 7) Daredevil 8) Hulk 9) Spiderman 3 10) Blade 11) Punisher 12) Fantastic 4 13) Blade Trinity 14) Fantasic 4: rise of the surfer 15) Elektra 16) Ghost rider
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Do get spaces between sentences or paragraphes on these talkbacks?
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is hard to read with all the numbers because It does not show the spaces I made... WTF??
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I'm not a purist or traditionalist per se, but if it's not the Frankenstein/Ape looking Hulk with a thick waste and long hairy arms, hat/hairdo, long upper lip, with a nasty attitude and some smarts when he does talk, it's not The Hulk. They have Never gotten this character right and they're surprised the movie didn't connect. Trailer's good though, outiside of my personal disappointment in the Hulk's look.
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I believe they are visual effects to make a live person look much bigger.
Example: Xerxes from "300". The guy who played him was around 5'll''. He was made to look like he was over 7 ft tall
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but not great.
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...does the green guy ever talk? Or is it just the usually grunting?
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just crap.
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WTF THEY SHOULD OF JUST HIRED LOU FERRIGNO AGAIN LOL ROFL
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good point bkpark..
face it, ang lee hulk was all about what ang lee wanted to do, not about the hulk. Im glad these guys read the comic, or at least the damn wikipedia entry. Ang lee and other directors should keep their masturbations of comic book character fantasies and arcs they want to explore by making weird shit up to themselves -
bodybuilders aren't that wide.
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Starting off your post with an unjustified insult, a true sign of the insecure. So The Hulk is great because it plays out like a bad Philosophy class at a community college? You could say something like....oh...Dragon Ball Z brings up the same themes you claim Hulk has, and it's still as shallow as a puddle. THEMES are in every film, it doesn' make a movie great just because it has them. It certainly doesn't deal with them in any perceptible manner. And the Hulk dogs are a cheap metaphor for evolution? Oh please. It doesn't make any sense considering Bruce had already become the Hulk by that point. Hence ruining the progressive element of evolution...which is sorta kinda the fucking point. The themes you see seem to exist only in your head. As far as the Hulk dogs being in the comic book, so is The Leader, and I don't think you want that character showing up in a movie anytime soon. It also clearly shows, ad nauseam, that Bruce is from an abusive household. And where the fuck do you get that because I think Bana's peformance was wooden that I want Bruce to be a "party hooligan"? Nope, I just want some life injected into the character, you can be repressed and multi dimensional at the same time. Hell Heath Ledger did it in Ang Lee's very next film. Instead Bana is so "restrained" that he more or less disappears into the scenery. To say nothing of Nick Nolte's indefensible Looney Toon character. The cartoonish nature of the film (comic book panel interstitials? Hilarious!) complete with the quack philosophy ham handedly thrown in without structure or investigation is precisely what makes the film such an unintentionally funny B-movie mess. It somehow manages to be completely batshit while taking itself completely seriously. Right on par with your average Roland Emmerich film.
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For real though - Starship Troopers 3 looks 100x better looking (and more fun) than this shit.
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Any movie company who is daft enough to release theior marketing through MTV are just daft. The amount of potential customers who will feel disenfranchised by not seeing this trailer will just go "fuck then" i watch it onh a p2p site and not pay for it.
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First, they screwed the pooch again by unveiling THE WHOLE FUCKING movie in one single blow. I understand now why they waited so long to make any promotional move whatsoever... Dumbass marketing department.
Second, the direction looks pretty bland. I couldn't judge the acting because it's all about Norton, and playing a whispering, mild-mannered character is kind of a staple for Bruce Banner. You can't play that part by screaming around and reaching out for "The Performance" so I guess he's ok.
Third: the Abomination looks absolutely silly while moving, like a Resident Evil 4 monster. And Hulk is just... green. Overall, I was waiting for a better, smarter trailer and a better direction. That's what you get when fanboys demand the head of the previous director: you've got a third-rate yes-man only capable of mediocre action scenes in return. I'll pass on that one, thank you Kevin Feige. -
The CGI doesnt even look anywhere near the level of Ang Lees piece of art. This movie will succeed or fail alone on the CGI.
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Mar 13, 2008 3:01:20 AM CDT
completely batshit while taking itself completely seriously.
by ironic_name
you mean like the original comic?
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I can see why there's an argument going on over final cut!
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El Increible Hulk!
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WTF is up with using Liv Tyler??? You went from Jennifer Connely to her, which may be the largest drop-off in movie history (both in terms of talent and looks).
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hell, this will suck
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the wrestling fans in a way 'Margot at the Wedding' couldn't.
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that doesn't matter. in the comics Banner isn't tall. fuck all you people who make opinions without some sort of research.
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They Got William Hurt as General Ross. That's fucking amazing.
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kind of reminds me of the Newborn in Alien Resurrection.
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HULK SMASH, HULK STOMP, HULK SMASH AGAIN. Tyler Suddenly wakes up from his cave to find himself semi naked with a stonking green boner.
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j/k hey I really can tell if this movie will be better or worse then Lee's But I enjoyed Lees Trailer more. Lee's movie was flawed but pretty good as for the guy who made his top marvel movie list: X-men3, and Daredevil really?! I agreed with you up to that point.
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Sorry Legendary typos return as well.
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The tight shot of Ed Norton's Eyes with the green contacts look just like Bill Bixby's Eyes. I think Ed is the perfect Bruce Banner. He's get the inner rage look mastered. He looks like a puny little guy but if you fuck with him, he'll bash your skull in with a rock. Everyone is focused on the CG but I'll put up with whatever the CG is if they have a solid story and acting. Too many movies with Gorgeous CG and everything else is crap.
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afterall
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And the CG will look better by the time this is released.
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Robert really doing his thing You get the sense he's got the arrogant prick thing down. I Don't know about Ed, I like the way Bana Played not so much the victim it was a interesting take. but I cant tell how Norton is playing this.
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But then, I've never seen a CGI creature that did convince me it was real. It's never been an issue because I HAVE IMAGINATION.
Like previous posters have stated, poor effects do not ruin a film. Ray Harryhausen's work didn't look real. But the films that he worked on are some of my favourites. I read somehwere a re-make of "Clash of the Titans" is being considered. We all know already that any remake will be inferior to the original, despite the fact that the effects will undoubtably be better.
I hate that people judge a film solely on the merits of the quality of the CGI. Films have budgets folks. They can only do so much with the time and money allowed. You have to do the rest yourselves. Suspend your disbelief.
You may find this film to be utter shit. Fair enough, but please don't give your sole reason for hating it "crappy CGI". As a film lover, you should be better than that.
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This nasty habit needs to stop. But from what we can see I can't believe anyone with working eyes can't see how much better this version of the Hulk is to the Ang Lee presentation. The CGI for the Hulk is rendered a hell of a lot better than the last movie with its confused looking Hulk. The last film had a Hulk that looked like Eric Bana on Steroids; that's nice but what it didn't look like was the big green and ferociously angry, vein-popping and muscle rippling Hulk from the comics. THIS VERSION IS EXACTLY THAT! Near on Perfect down to the shredded purple pants instead of those rubbery looking CGI bicycle shorts that they had Ang Lee's Hulk wearing. I can only surmise that people who prefer the look of the other Hulk simply never read the comic growing up or have limited memories of how the various artists populated the character in their many renditions. As for the cast; well who gives a flying monkey if Jennifer Connolly isn't in the movie, she barely existed in the last one so who'll miss her? Sam Elliot was the only good thing in the last movie and just because he has a trademark mustache like the comic character, doesn't mean William Hurt can't grow one too and give a fine performance as a power hungry General Ross. Most importantly though, Ed Norton's Bruce Banner resembles far more the comic Bruce than Eric Bana's. Bruce is supposed to be a weedy boffin type. Eric Bana looked like he could kick some ass, Ed Norton looks like he could only kick ass if it's written in the script. He has both the look of an intellectual and the physique of someone cerebral as opposed to the brawny Banner of Eric Bana's screen presence. I couldn't care less if the film flops, it looks far more accurate in its depictions of the comic book than Ang Lee's over-bearing character flick. The Transporter movies are silly but highly entertaining so as far as i'm concerned Louis Leterrier is the right man for the job to deliver a great big silly comic book to the screen with high ass entertainment and spectacle. Essentially everything the 2003 version of the movie lacked! With the added cameo's by Robert Downey Junior as Tony Stark/Iron Man in this flick too, then expect both Hulk and Iron Man to hit pretty decent box office on the back of each others popularity and the seeding of the inevitable Avengers movie. This is gonna be a year of comic-to-screen heaven!
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all those stupendous comic renditions of the guy and we get this fucking insipid shit. What cunt thought putting his own spin on this shit was a good fucking idea? I hope he dies in a bloody fiery fucking car crash. And those of you who are still sucking the rancid cock of the Ang Lee Hulk need to fuck off and die as well. Get a fucking life you easily impressed goddamn cunts. That movie sucked floppy donkey dicks and apparently you like watching it.
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They took the name literally.
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Mar 13, 2008 4:28:18 AM CDT
Did 1950s audience shout "Bah, Stop Motion Animation"
by theycallmemrglass
Well did they? Were they cynical fucks like some of us? Did they shout at the screen "strings!" during War of the Worlds? Did they shout "Stop Motion!" during Jason and the Argonauts? CGI is a step further for telling more fantastical adventures that they vouldnt possibly have done before so lets go with the flow and enjoy what they give us for now (which often is a great deal of entertainment). I loved Ang Lee's Hulk as a standalone story, I hope this one is worthwhile for the comic fans who felt robbed by Ang Lee.
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i don't care about the crappy CGI... I don't think I can handle watching Ed Norton do Yoga
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The problem with Hulk is that you know it's 100% CGI, so it doesn't matter--you can't completely give yourself over to the whole experience. It's the same thing that messed up the second Star Wars trilogy. They used too much CGI and took you out of the realistic grit of the universe they had built up prior to that. I think the only thing movies like this can be is a way for people to experiment with the technology so they can better apply it to the next movie. But yeah, what did anyone expect?
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What's with the refined facial features and emo haircut, where's the
neanderthal physog and 2 bob haircut!
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I think we as a culture have become so immersed in things like CGI and exposed to the people behind the scenes by the media that it becomes incredibly difficult to wow us anymore. I actually really liked Cloverfield because they didn't do all the preview stuff. What I'd LOVE to see is a blockbuster that comes out without having a preview that shows everything. We just saw the nuts and bolts of the entire new Hulk movie and it's not coming out for months. How can it really live up to much other than a few action set pieces that we might not have seen yet?
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that's what it needs.
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For good examples, you only need to look at King Kong, Ang Lee's Hulk, and Cloverfield first trailers. By the time of the final trailers or movie release, the CGI are actually far superior for the same scenes. I think its all to do with more time needed for rendering the graphics or something like that.
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Even though Ed has that scrawney weasle-thing down pat, he also has a bit in the background that tells you he's one of those toothpick ragers that once he starts swinging it's all over, he's a psychopath behind that pastey face. Bruce, however is a total Reed Richards with years of bully abuse, he can NEVER assert himself long enough to be threatening in any way to anyone, that's why the Hulk is all of his Norton Gamma irradiated and cut loose. Oh, and also, why do people throw the word 'brilliant' around so much these days when 'great' or even 'good' are so much more appropriate? Capote's Mothereffin' In Cold Blood is 'brilliant' you pricks, Peter asshat David has never done more than scraped the bottom of good.
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The final quality of the Hulk's look is TBD. You can't look at a nighttime shot of the Hulk here and tell if it's going to be better or worse in daylight scenes as the Ang Lee version. You *could* compare it to Ang Lee's nighttime Hulk, but it wouldn't be really fair even if you just compared nighttime shots from the trailer because you don't know how much work is left. Ultimately the only fair basis of judgement will be the final product vs the final product. So dont fret... either version might yet come out on top. It's like Clinton vs Obama! BTW Anyone here thinking of sweding the trailer (or the last movie)?
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That just like many movies that have about 2 to 3 months to go, usually go through some final editing. I can guarantee that when the movie is released, the CGI will be cleaned up quite nicely. If it doesn't get cleaned...What a fucking shame...
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Mar 13, 2008 5:46:04 AM CDT
When I first heard of the reboot I was pissed
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
I love Ang Lees film. Then as time went by it got more interesting. Ed Norton and William Hurt joined. That alone has my interest and I will judge it on its own merits.
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Too early to critique what the final CGI will look like. Graphics guys clean those up as they go along. Look at the early trailers for Iron Man versus the latest ones. Big difference in quality.
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I'd like to reply to DirkBelig's comment about the Apollo Theater marquee being added with CGI.
I happened to be on Yonge Street when they were filming and the marquee was actually built on the street (one of the things that makes you double take, while walking).
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Mar 13, 2008 5:59:32 AM CDT
Ang Lee's Hulk could kick the shit out of Leterrier's Hulk.
by rbatty024
I bet half the audience coming into the theaters are going to be asking themselves, "Why did the Hulk get so much smaller?" Basically he looks the same, except that he's been on Jenny Craig for the past few years. Oh, and the CGI looks shittier.
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As stated above by Terrytips...IT IS CGI!
All CG looks fake...you mean to say that if it were better you'd believe in a big green behemoth and some mutated Tim Roth creature?
Suspend belief you halfwits!
Who in their right mind actually believed in those badly designed visual irritants the Transformers?
jeez...it's a movie...it's make believe!
You'll be saying you actually bought into ET next when it looked like an old handbag.
Good grief!
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http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1388782857/bctid1396941534
In terms of the look and weight of the Hulk, even this is better than this emo, wavy hair shit...
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WTF? This looks really fucking similar to the superman/doomsday end fight, the helicopter, superman being buried in ruble, the double punch. Looks like a piece of ass!
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it's how they move...
it just doesn't look real enough to fully suspend belief...
especially when abomination is running, it looks like he's hovering, light as a feather... the ground needs to bepounded hard etc.
can't help to be dissappointed about this trailer... too much is revealed and the cgi needs huge amounts of work...
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Who needs to see the movie now?
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That looks so bad it makes Elektra seem watchable.
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Mar 13, 2008 6:26:59 AM CDT
HAHAHAHAHA! This looks like it has less action than Lee's Hulk.
by creasybear
To all the people who were excited to have a things-go-boom director take over for a too-operatic Ang Lee . . . sorry. This will have no more crazy destruction than Lee's Hulk, and certainly less creative editing, and obviously no attempt at any genuine emotion. Lee's Hulk misfired, true, but even its haters will miss the desert tank sequence after watching this turd. (CGI isn't a bit better, either.)
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Youre right-- the cgi HULK on those IRON MAN shorts they have up are DEAD ON. --and the cg animation looks awesome. If they had a whole series of these, I would buy 'em in a second.
As for Abomination-- not happy with their "take" ... you would think that they would use the character from the comics which already HAS a design and a look... he really made me think of the Scorpion King here... I
I really hope that the movie revolves around more than just these two cgi guys going at it-- I cant invenst any actual emotional attachment to all that... hope they prove me wrong.
And am I the only one who hope that Banner turns into the HULK before he hits the ground as he falls out of that chopper? Pretty cheesy angle on the fall, considering that they can film that from any angle now-- and why drop him like that anyhow? They couldny fly down a little lower? maybe even LAND? lol-- yeah, Im nitpicking on a 5 second scene-- pretty lame of me-- I really WANT to love this movie, but its not owning me yet. Sure...its looks like its got more action... thats a plus. But I hope that the story grabs me and keeps me in-- if I had done a trailer at this point...I would have consentrated only on Banner transforming into the HULK... arms bulging out, fade to black...back of shirt ripping, fade to black... face and eyes transforming, fade to black... title, explosions... boommmm.... release date. Who knows, maybe one day:) For now, I'll get my ticket and hope for the best! -
I bet that fight with Abomination won't be until the end of the movie. Like Lee's. I'm not too enthused.
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Abomination should have webbed ears. Hulk looks way better than last time. Reminds me of a poster I once had. You have to remember Hulk is humanoid looking and not a monster.
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cast looks solid, but the story looks standard and the trailer needing to tell the whole plot of an action movie, could spell disaster. like when a "comedy" trailer needs to use the 2 funny jokes in a movie to convince you its a comedy.
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wtf?? almost a complete copy, except for the legs.
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I'd rather see a large muscle bound man painted with cheap green paint fighting a similar musclebound warrior covered in foam lumps over those god-awful CGI animations. GENERIC, GENERIC, GENERIC, (3 times is not enough)
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which has been simmering away for months. Apparently in his contract norton demaded full and involved access on the movie's production and that he would get the final say over the final cut and have some sayover the final edit of the movie. Well, Universal showed him the final edit and Norton as is his want threw a fit. and has demanded that he get his way. There is a stand off. Things will be resolved and the movie will be released.
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yes, he does look like a carbon copy of the Human-Alien hybrid.
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I know others have whined about their blocking Canadian access to this trailer...I just like the opportunity to bash MTV. Up here we have Much Music, which is, if you can believe it, a WHOLE lot f**king worse.
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Mar 13, 2008 7:06:28 AM CDT
People will hate this because of everything that they...
by derlanghaarige
...wanted in Ang Lee's version.
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If this completely ignores Ang Lee's film, I'll find it very irritating. I hope they at least make it a sequel the same way Superman Returns was. Not that I liked SR, but this Hulk flick should at least make a vague reference or two to the events of the last film. It was not a horrible movie. There was some good stuff in there.
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I am so totally with you on the less on previews. The human greed in us want trailers, we do get excited to see trailers of anticipated movies. But the rational side of us after reflection and satisfaction of devouring the trailers become "why da frak did you show me that? Now I know the whole frign story". Funny lot we are - Cloverfield marketing was done perfectly and I would say the samething for the Symalan films (especially Unbreakable - boy did that turn out to be one helluva funky film!)
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Mar 13, 2008 7:26:42 AM CDT
righteousbrother and other ang lee version lovers...
by micturatingbenjamin
Nothing will make the majority of movie going Hulk fans who thought the first one was a misfire like the Ang Lee version any better than they already do. Which is to say, not much.I thought Lee's version was an overly talky character study before, I still think it's an overly talky character study now, and wasn't appropriate for a 'comic book' movie where the main protagonist is a big stupid green guy whose whole appeal from the comics can be summed up in two words: HULK SMASH.In the first HULK, the CGI was JUST as shitty. Hulk looked like a big constipated baby in purple pants. At least they tried to make this Hulk look like a monstrous adult, and his rage doesn't look like an infantile temper tantrum in this either. This trailer promises a flick that has a climax that it SHOULD build to rather than something that makes an audience member go:'FINALLY! GOD. IF I HAD TO SEE ANOTHER GODDAMNED HULK-DOG OR ANOTHER FATHER-ISSUE FLASHBACK IN THIS SO-CALLED SUPERHERO MOVIE I WOULD HAVE SLIT MY WRISTS WITH THE LID TO MY JUMBO SIZED PEPSI!'Of course, I'm paraphrasing what MOST of the normal, regular folk thought when they saw Ang Lee's vision of the HULK. All you hopeful cinema fans are missing the fact that THIS Hulk seems to deliver where Lee's fell flat: He's gonna 'splode stuff up REAL NICE for guys like me who LIKE The Incredible Hulk in the comics, and thought the Lee version was a nice effort for a guy who doesn't 'get' comics. And, no matter what I say, if you liked 'Baby Shits His Pants-HULK'-CGI from the Lee version, nothing will make you think this version is any better.Personally, they both look like big ass effects that would be stupid to try with practical dude-in-suit technology.Trailer was pretty good, and now I have something else to see this summer...Bring on IRON MAN!
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Mar 13, 2008 7:31:46 AM CDT
Let's face it: Hulk is a shitty property in the first place
by rickey henderson
The Ang Lee take on it at least tried to elevate the material a bit. The problem with Hulk is that it's a shallow and uninteresting character. A big green angry monster who punches things--so freaking what? If anything, the director of that mindless "Transporter" movie was the PERFECT fit for a franchise like this. Why are any of you surprised that this looks like crap?
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the Hulk design, the competence of the CGI. It's the same. If they think it's a step above, they're wrong. But they have the big fight taking place at night, which is one way of minimizing any glitches. The rest of the story / movie looks like a live action cartoon, which I suppose it is. But Norton doesn't carry the emotional empathy of Bill Bixby when he says "not like this."
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Something about Nortons Banner feels off. I dunno. Hulk looks fine. Nothing really all that exciting in this trailer. More hulk smash. Less hulk talk.
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didn't Lee's Hulk trailer start with a house that looked exactly like that. I think this hulk looks pretty bad
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Yeah, I'd have to agree. I can't quite put my finger on it, but Norton didn't sell me as Banner in that footage. To be fair, this is only a few minutes of footage. He might be perfectly fine in the final film, but the trailer as a whole underwhelmed me while also telling me the entire story of the film. Hope that's not a sign of things to come.
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Chris appreciates it.
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And after whiney fanboys would've praised it his adaptation would've been loved just like batman begins being a shot for shot remake of Batman Year One but with a crummy tacked on "world ending" third act. I think we are going to learn that just because something is big and dumb doesn't mean you shouldn't try to do something more with it. Ang Lee's Hulk is going to get alot better after this one is released. We are going to realize what we really had.
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Mar 13, 2008 7:50:20 AM CDT
Right, and what's worse, they're dumbing it down beyond that
by rickey henderson
As far as I can tell the movie just looks like it's being marketed to that wondrous dorito chomping demographic. Ang Lee's HULK was a pretty damned good movie if you ask me--he did the best he could with the material he had. I'm not sure why Hulk fans are all that upset, this movie looks like a loyal portrayal of the franchise to me: mindless & shallow. I just don't want this flop tainting IRON MAN because [SPOILER] there's a rumor floating around that Ed Norton's character pops up in it...
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Man, you understand then, why fans of the comic NEEDED to see a big angry green man wrecking shit, instead of Nick Nolte wrecking dogs, his relationship with his wife and son, and Eric Bana (Who, by the way, isn't a better actor than Ed Norton, by simple virtue that the guy has TWO fucking movies I've seen him in, THREE if you count Munich. But Chopper, Hulk, and Munich? Not exactly American History X, Fight Club, Death to Smooch--Wait...I guess they're pretty much the same level of movie picking ability. Heh.The point is, it would be like trying to 'elevate' Escape From New York with more study of Snake Plissken's past, etc. Fans of the source material would shit a solid gold brick with anger over shit like that. Which sums up what most regular guys who saw Hulk thought: What the hell is this? I thought I was going to see the Hulk..Fans of the Lee version have this weird ideological clingy behavior toward the first flick, like anything else not directed by Lee would be a slap in that movie's face. Not so, but I think once fans of the Hulk comics see this flick, they'll think of it as a slap in the face, but a slap that the overly talky 'Artsy Fartsy' Lee flick needs to get over its' pretentious self.Letterier's Hulk? Less Artsy! More Fartsy! (Thanks to Homer J. for supplying the quote)
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Cause both have the ability to ruin the movies they arein.
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but there's little evidence from the trailer that we actually get to see any more action than we did in Ang Lee's HULK. As far as I can tell, the storyline goes: Hulk gets created, Hulk stomps around campus and riles up military, Hulk gets recruited by military to stop Abomination from ruining 125th Street. End of movie. That's not all that much more action packed then Ang Lee's version was, you know? At least Lee gave us tanks, planes, and whirlybirds...
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These 2 stills have already shown twice the action and intensity than the 1st try. 1st movie sucked balls. I can't even watch all of it. Hulk dogs? Just a terrible movie.
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Whats up with that? I thought this was going to be the Hulk action movie? Why no action in the teaser?
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. . . why can't they make an actor made up like the Hulk look 16 feet tall? Remember Bilbo and Gandalf side by side in Bilbo's house? Why can't they do it w/ some huge guy like Brock Lesner painted green w/ a neanderthal brow glued on? Use miniature sets and props and camera tricks? Anything other than this fucking video game animation.
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I completely agree about Ed Norton being an upgrade over Banna. Norton is one of my all time favorite actors, which is why the rumored fighting between his people and the studio over editing rights to this film makes me think that something went seriously wrong when they were shooting this movie. Just a hunch...
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...they waited so long to release the trailer. Man this is gonna kill some careers...dead! The design of the characters reminds me of that super-shitty animated Hulk that used to air on the defunct UPN network back in the 90's... except all CGI-y.
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Okay, let's say I've assigned my Creative Writing class a task to come up with a story based on the characters from the Incredible Hulk comic book. I'm especially watching Mr. Lee, whose florid prose has impressed me all along and his character work has been if nothing else, worthy of a Pulitzer. What I'm expecting is pretty much a walk in the park for this kid.On the other hand we have Mr. Letterier, who has written some entertaining stories, but with little substance. Even now I can imagine him headlining a comic book convention or perhaps accepting an occasional O. Henry award.Both of these kids will deliver a passing grade, I'm sure. But what happens is, Mr. Lee turns in what should be a relatively simple A-B-C plot with a beginning middle and end, but instead is this magnificent insightful character study of all the main players with an interesting take on the comic format even. He gets an 'A', but when the other kids see it, they just scoff at it, like the kid in your science class who always does more than is asked of him on class projects like the kid from Fox Trot.Letterier's assignment is turned in on time, and is just what is expected of him, and the other kids in class like the story fine, because they're not expecting much out of these characters.The end.Now, my problem with Ang Lee's version? Is, and always will be, that he made a giant fucking three dimensional diorama ABOUT the Hulk, without entertaining me with the Hulk. An amazing feat, and some of the action pieces were great, and 2nd AD'd to fucking hell and back, and you could tell that Lee didn't have much of a hand in the inelegant CGI or dumbfuck dog fight, no matter what the DVD bonus features try to pawn off as the truth. Compare the action in the Hulk to the fucking amazing action in 'Crouching Tiger'. Yuen Wo Ping aside, 'Tiger' had fucking amazing action sequences, and the Hulk had cut and pasted into it American 'Shitty CGI Fights'.Yeah, Rickey, he 'raised' the material, but as a fan, I'd like to say FUCK THAT. I don't need HULK SMASH 'raised' to any other level than HULK FUCKING SMASH. What's so hard about just delivering a movie that sticks to the material?! Letterier seems to 'get it' in that it should be fun to watch rather than a fucking homework assignment. I think it will be entertaining, and fellas and ladies who liked Lee's version, it's available for five bucks on DVD at Wal-Mart. Get your remote and watch it over and over, muse on the subtleties of Lee's characterization of Thunderbolt Ross, and his impressive panel-style editing!Feel free, and please, do it to your heart's content. But don't forget that the marketplace of ideas has shown that Lee's version is worth bargain bin prices. Sorry, Lee, you handed in an 'A+' paper that didn't entertain the American 'C' students.
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And this trailer shows just what we need to see...The Hulk and Abomination are about to duke it out. The real action happens just after this trailer ends, teasing us with what is coming. In the first Lee trailer? We got to see Eric Bana stare into a mirror for forty seconds, turn green, then saw a blurry version of the shitty Hulk smash a sink through a wall. What's worse, though, is that the monologue given by Bana into the mirror was fucking awesome, and NOWHERE in Lee's version is that kind of darkness to be found in Banner's character. And hell, he did such a fucking bang-up job languishing over characters, I should know.Don't get me wrong, I liked Lee's version in the same way I like anything with superheroes on the big screen, fuck man, I'm just wired that way. I can't help myself. But I can EASILY play devil's advocate for the guys who flat out hated the first and those who didn't 'get it'. (e.g. The folks who drove the price of the Hulk DVD down to .25 on Amazon used and 12.00 new)
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Remember those desert scenes in Ang Lee's "HULK", with CNN hand-held news camera inspired shots? That was pretty damn good, I thought,...considering the state of movie special/visual effects (then and now). Personally, I figure this flick won't be any better in the effects department...and still, I'm okay with that. But the haters will come out of the woodwork. Maybe someday, computers with do much more of the work for us...involving incredibly complex math to make this stuff look real. Yeah,...someday, if humanity continues to survive. Even so, count me in on this flick...unless the reviews advise seeing something else.
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Hey, nice trailer, yes. But that was the final trailer, when comparing this, the TEASER for Incredible Hulk to the TEASER for Lee's HULK, shouldn't we compare this to the non-action of Bana's shitter monologue? The one where he's in the shitter, I mean, the monologue is pretty good, actually.
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For the insult. It's so much easier to attack someone when you don't have to look them in the face. A real problem nowadays on the internet, and a lot of us are guilty of it. Nothing personal, though. Don't even know you. Just attacking your view because it doesn't agree with mine. And that's why I like coming here, cuz there's so much to disagree with. Peace.
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despite the Ang Lee version being a little stupid, i think they NAILED the Hulk visually. the mo-cap in that movie was spot on. the scene where he kicks the shit out of those 3 tanks in the desert is just aweome. watch again, and notice the little touches like when he uses his leg like a collegiate wrestler to counterbalance himself as he rips the turret off of the tank. of course, i haven't seen this movie, but so far, i like the look of Ang's Hulk better. call me crazy...
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suck my ass
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The acting from Norton and Roth alone will see to that. The problem here is The Hulk himself nothing to do with the actors.After seeing the trailer, I'm actually hoping for less Hulk more Banner unless they can work on that shitfest they call CGI.
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maybe you should read some comics. Hulk is a great character. You only have to see in Planet Hulk a side I never thought of before. He's a DC Superhero in the Marvel U. If he was in the DCU he'd be in the JLA. He's a mosnter yet one of the more noble heroes in the Marvel U.
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Sure, they're an interestingly written take on a particular movie, but in the end, they count for nothing. Just because Richard Roeper gives something a thumbs down doesn't mean we should, too. I hate PTA flicks, but every critic in America loves him. Critics hated Youth Without Youth, but I thought it was possibly Coppola's most poignant film ever. Of course, I'm a backwards thinking f*** anyway...
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It seems I've written this before, but I'll do it again, just to keep putting it out there. The "comic book panel editing", as it's often called, was not used for the purpose of simulating a comic book page. Ang Lee was playing the ideas of alternate selves, alternate viewpoints on a thing. Many of those multi-panel shots are simply of the same action, just shot from a different camera. It's a cinematic parallel to the idea that someone could be something else, as in that Bruce has a different past than what he knows, a different name, that he harbors another being within, a Hulk. The morph transition edits play with this idea further, the idea of evolution, of change. See? Ang Lee himself has stated this.
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Sounds like a cop-out, but I think it's pretty good. Not terrible, but not mind blowin...so I'll prob go check it out just like most bitchin on this talkback will too. Doesn't look like the design changed too much from Lee's, only this one looks less bulky & thankfully the saturation is dialed back. I'd prefer he look more like a Alex Ross designed brute and not look like a bodybuilder w/the face of a model...but I know Hollywood would never give me/us that. Just like you're stuck as a designed w/the fact that Supes wears tights...these guys are stuck w/the fact that this is a giant green man, so the design CAN'T be much different or everyone would be screamin "That's not the Hulk!". That bein said, I think I'd prefer the body of Lee's Keown-like version W/the coloring of this one. I can sympathize though, cause when I first started coloring comics I got comments back all the time @ first about how my colors were too bright/oversaturated. It's still a big mistake that a lot of colorists make by usin' the 90's palette. I feel sorry for the guy that has to pick the green hue cause he's never gonna please everybody.
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Remember they first showed the Ang Lee Hulk trailer during the Super Bowl that year and the Hulk looked HORRIBLE!!! That commercial took all the wind out of the sails for that movie. Whoever OK'd airing the unfinished Hulk should've been shot. The finished product wound up looking MUCH better. I'm sure this Hulk will look even better when this is finally released.
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"these guys are stuck w/the fact that this is a giant green man, so the design CAN'T be much different"How's about this one then? Looks good to me...
http://tinyurl.com/352kl4
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Ok, I'm not overly impressed by this trailer, but it did have some elements that I absolutely loved.
Norton looks like he'll pull of Banner well, even if some don't think he will. He's a good actor and I have some faith in him.
Abomination, he actually looks his name. He just seems to be an amalgamation of the worst kind of things you could think of. I think it works, even if it's not exactly like the original design.
And that brings me to the Hulk himself. I absolutely LOVE the redesign of the character. Yes, he does still have that CG shine, but that's not what I'm focusing on here. The design of having the muscles as detailed as they are, the way he looks like Norton, and actually, the slightly smaller size, ALL make the character feel more believable for me, even with shiny skin.
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This movie will be exactely what it was meant to be, a fun summer popcorn movie. As long as you can follow the action, unlike Transformers, I think it will accomplish its goal. I still dont get why studios cant create CGI characters that look real when they did it so succesfully with gollum.
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Can we actually dig into our brains a little deeper for somethin that actually warrants "talkback"? I see the same old thoughtless stuff on every talkback here. Quit pointing out the obvious & typin the same garbage every single time you're on here, & bring somethin to the table besides "I wiped my ass & smeared it on the screen & it looked better" too. If you don't like it...then post somethin worth reading besides that juvi minded crap. I know it's online & no one knows who you are, but it's just so painfully obvious that you're the bitter dude that's gonna be workin @ Blockbuster til the day you drop dead.
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Rubbish Trailer.
You see Ang lost me when the Hulk had a tear up with the oversize poodle. That was just wrong. But his film had a watershed performance from Nick Nolte that superhero films have been trying to match in tone ever since.
We know the setup and story so why relaunch by doing all that again? They should have taken it up just after the Hulk went gray and given all the CGI guys a copy of the Todd MacFarlane artwork and said copy that retards. -
Yeah I've seen the IM shorts. I loved em. I also think that Hulk belongs in that world surrounding him. You really think that same Hulk would work if you replaced the one in the trailer w/that Playstation lookin one? That Hulk is great & I loved those shorts...but I don't feel it would work in a real world environment.
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That wasn't exciting in the least. Did we just see the whole movie? Is that really it?
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I suppose what I was getting at was that they already have a 3d model that looks right structurally - all they'd have to do is import that to whatever 3d package is doing the effects for the movie, change the lighting a bit, maybe the skin to look a little more realistic and voila - the facial build and modelling I'd go with right away...
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It does. Stop bitchin.
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Where the two main combatants face each other on the street, like an old Western, then rush at each other at top speed for that first full-blast punch. We saw Optimus and Megatron do it. We saw Neo and Smith do it. We're gonna see Batman and Joker do it. It's just been seen too many times. I piss on that trailer. Monsters Inc has better computer generated monsters
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and his nose is that small, how will Hulk pick for boogers? Those proportions are a joke
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I was really hoping for more of an improvement for this flick..did anyone in development actually read the hulk comic?..thank god for Iron Man and Batman coming out
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to see Iron Man
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You gotta admit the visual similarity between the Abomination and those "GEARS OF WAR" baddies. And actually, that's not a bad thing. However, you can put me in the camp of talkbackers whom prefer the look of Ang Lee's HULK (without the continuous growing). It's easy to see specific comic book inspiration...but I've never really cared much for comic book art where the Hulk's head looks smaller than it should be. But then, every artist sets his/her own limit to visual exaggeration. And I suppose the same can be said for movie directors, in how they chose to interpret story material. Without seeing a script, I'd already be leaning towards Ang Lee's vision...while (hopefully) injecting the action and fun an audience craves.
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I agree the frame of that one from the short is the best outta all (3) of em...right down to the oversized hands/feet & placement of his facial features. Like you too, I suppose what I was gettin at too w/ sayin that they were stuck w/the huge green man that they couldn't make too different...is WAY too different w/a total overhaul. Somethin really dumb like tryin to give him knives to throw, or a Hulkmobile or somethin (and here I was the one bitchin about folks pointin out the obvious). I'm agree on that though & think the one you pointed out and/or the one from the Ult Avengers movie would be the way to go. I like the big browed almost caveman-like brute.
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and everyone expects him to look real
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Wouldn't you? And how...(cough)...cool ...it...COULD...be, in a...dare I say it,...in a sequel.
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dont know what looks worse, this or Iron Man. Cant wait for the epic that will be The Avengers, Not!
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I know what you're saying, but when fans like myself complain that it doesn't look 'real,' we mean 'real' in the sense that the people who made the Spidey movies were able to make webslinging look 'real.' Yes, we know it's a big green monster. The problem comes when it looks like the big green monster isn't really there, a living breathing part of the rest of the action.
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Should have Rambo take on the Hulk, that be culo
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of something I haven't seen, but I gotta say, that Hulk, as a CGI creation, looks and moves like utter shit. Video game is right.
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The last Hulk CGI wasn't bad. This seems worse. I would have gone with a ripped body-builder and increased his size with CGI (sort of like how Lord of the Rings accomplished size differences). I would have hoped they would have done a better job than the last film, but ... they didn't.
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True, I've never really read Hulk comics (or much Marvel at all for that matter) so perhaps I'm not giving the green meanie a fair shake by saying that he's a jekyll/hyde ripoff. But if the charcter does have a fair amount of depth to him, it sure doesn't seem like this adaptation will include it. The director of the Transporter making a Hulk movie? I'm not feeling it.
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When he's turned into a pile of shit. And those of you who were not expecting a CGI Hulk, what were you expecting? Roger Clemens as Hulk?
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I bet more than half of you assholes would hang yourselves as the mayor gave you the keys to the city.
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...which means everyone is going to go see the movie.
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the poster who said "if it ain't the sarcastic, nasty, early kirby hulk, it ain't hulk" is perfectly correct. but there IS the more famous green hulk that came after. another poster commented that hulk is humanoid, not a monster which, taking into account the kirby fan's quote above, is perfectly incorrect. the original grey hulk looked like the love-child of frankenstein and a hippo. no 90s action-hero steroid musculature. industrykiller also said norton is a better looking banner than bana. facially that's also incorrect, as banner always had more angular features like a jeremy irons, or jarvis cocker from pulp. y'know, an emaciated geek who spends too much time in the lab. not a puffy-faced bill bixby rip-off. ultimates isn't hulk to me so the falling-from-a-plane-preservation-insinct stuff doesn't wash. also, the hulk to my knowledge only grew stronger the angrier he got, not larger. but i haven't read all the comics so it's perfectly possible that it's in there.
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Ang Lees Hulk, which looked like a Roger Rabbit sequel. A cartoon in the real world.This Hulk seems to have weight to him.
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I'm not blown away like I have been for the Iron Man stuff, but it looks to have two fuck off big monster bastards lamping the poo out of each other, so the potential for an entertaining time is there.Also, it has Liv Tyler looking damn cute in those librarian specs.
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" [We released the trailer quite late because] no shots are finished yet. That’s why we took so long to release the teaser, because unlike the other movies coming out this summer, our main character relies on so much calculation and technique. None of the shots in this trailer are finished shots, but I think it’s decent enough and it shows the audience what we’re going for. There’s a different version of the teaser that will only be shown in movie theatres where you see a close-up of the Hulk’s face as he comes out of the darkness and cries to [Betty]. A full close-up, like full-screen. And until we had that shot right I didn’t want to release it. That’s why it took so long for us…I never saw that Superbowl spot [that drew criticism of Ang Lee’s film for showing Hulk unfinished]. I’ve asked for it and they’ve said, “No, no, you don’t want to see that.” (Laughs) Anyway, I would have never allowed anything to come out that I wasn’t happy with."
http://www.empireonline.com/features/hulk/10.asp
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...wasn't completely shit. But it wasn't all that great either. Like Tottenham.
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I would actually like to see that...
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The Hulk looks fake again. I think the mistake has to do with the color pallette of the film. Had the Lord of the Rings or King Kong changed their overall color, the CGI would have looked real fake. But making the color pallete say more sepia toned, or ultra-colored, the CGI Hulk won't stand out as fake. I'm all for using imagination, but if you are presenting this as real, then it should look real unles the universe that he resides in looks somewhat fantastic. I love the choice of Edward Norton though.
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this would look almost as good as Ang Lee's Hulk.
Seriously, is Steve Carrell's hair from The Anchorman getting credited appearance.
But the Abomination, good god, talk about living up the name.
Couldn't they have done Creature from the Black Lagoon on 'rpoids look they had had in the comics.
This makes the Scorpion King in The Mummy Returns look good.
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Usin' my Wii to respond... You know, the whole 'stronger = madder' thing wasn't the original idea, right? Hulk was gray, and Puny Banner only changed at night. Todd McFarlane's style was unique but overhyped. He made Hulk look like he had Down's Syndrome. Art Adams had the best take on Hulk.Finally, the Lee HULK had a trailer full of action...but the trailer showed ALL the action setpieces without letting Hulk fans know they'd have to eat a LOT of cinematic brussel sprouts to get to that dessert.
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Mar 13, 2008 11:29:57 AM CDT
The Hulk looks like something out of a comic book?
by reel american hero
REAALLLLLY.....I wonder why that could be?
I'm sorry, but not everything I see in a movie needs to look real or have some basis in reality. I see reality every minute, of every day. Matter of fact, I'm looking at reality right now. I don't pay my $8.50 to see shit that's real in a movie. (Usually anyway) If I'm seeing a Hulk movie, I want to see some fantastical shit. To hell with physics or any of that other shit. -
Ha ha. Eat your brussel sprouts, they're good for you!
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Here's to you Frank Herbert.
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Mar 13, 2008 11:34:59 AM CDT
Render/Composite/Animation not final. Model work complete
by thepilgrim
Both Abom and Hulk's character models- shape and design wise are finished!!! finished!!!! Dont make me resay that.
Unless they scrap what they showed and redo it completely. Thos character design will not change shapewise. The More I look at this version of the HULK. The more it looks like Rob Lowe too me. I'm sorry, but you People misunderstand what "CGI's not finished" comments mean. -
Broccoli. Ho. Ho. Ho. Green Giant.
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It looked damn near spot on to cover for first issue of original comic book. The only difference was that it wasnt grey skin toned.
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ed norton = david brent
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http://tinyurl.com/yq2nkf
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This will definately own Ang Lee's, but Iron Man will own incredible Hulk and TDK will own all.
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The slow-mo beast attack in the final shot just reminded me of Shrek for some reason...But it's good to see Tim Roth, who's looking really craggy and cool these days. Why is it men get better as they get older, whereas us chicks don't? Bah!
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Why does he have to take on the army? I didnt see the last one and thats why! Maybe it follows the comic or something but jesus, ease into it all. The first film should be life, 5 hulk moments and the city kinda catching on that someones within the city fucking things up. Then movie 2 maybe have the sate concerned and so on.
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...when did that become a general consensus amongst the female population? Men just get older-looking and creepier, just like women do. Big diff, though... women will get with an old guy if he flashes enough cash around... ain't enough cash in the world for a guy to get with an older woman. (Unless they're Ashton Kutcher, of course, but who'd want to be Ashton Kutcher?)
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for $20 for two tickets! I've got no personal vendetta against anybody in the movie, and want to see Hulk fight the Abomination for 26 min. in fake NYC. What are you people expecting? Lawerance of Arabia? jeez, lighten up
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cant be worse than the first one right? just ed norton wandering around lost on screen for 30min would assure that.
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Mar 13, 2008 12:22:02 PM CDT
the first hulk is for smart people, this one's for wrestling fan
by ironic_name
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i was under the impression that the entire concept of the reboot on this one was because the last hulk look so goddam rediculous. this one ain't much better.
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on second glance i realized that there just isn't enough to go on yet. I think it will come down to seeing him in action and see if they make him the size of the hulk or the size of a buiding...
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your tampons a bit full or something. you need a valium kid.
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size of a building i meant. fuck it.
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and I fail to see how this new CG is any improvement over what was done before. It's early though, and effects always look better in the context of the entire film. I reserve judgment, but I get sick of everyone trashing Ang Lee's version.
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The more I think about it, I find I am reserving more and more these types of movies for DVD or even cable. last year, i got excited about too many of these (Spider-man and Pirates) only to be disappointed that I spent money and wasted a night I could have been out with friends. I will go out and see X-Files, Batman and even hell Boy 2 when it is released, but the Hulk and iron man may have to wait.
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I'm particularly curious to hear from people who didn't like it when they saw it in theaters. I was confused by it, the first time I saw it - and I mean confused as to how I felt about it.
Re-watching it some time later on TV, though, I thought it was great! It has high re-watchability, I think in large part for the same reason a lot of people seem not to like it, i.e. the inconsistent tone and complexity of the plot.
I am annoyed that the basic plot couldn't hew closer to the classic details of Hulk's origin. Why not work the plot so it's a Gamma Bomb explosion? What's wrong with that? It would have been a cool touch to let Hulk go from gray to green in the course of the film, or to have varying degrees of cognition.
But in the same vein as SR (for me, at least), I really think HULK grows on you with time ... whereas I can't imagine a worse movie-fate than to have to sit through F4, X3 or Spider-Man 3 again. Talk about a whole lot of nothing (WITH ACTION SET PIECES!!!!!!!!).
I like action, it just has to MEAN something, and the usual Marvel schtick of adding "meaning" by having Wolverine say "we're X-Men!" or putting MJ in peril (again) just doesn't cut it. -
AAAAAAARRGGG!
Why oh why can't they leave things the hell alone! Can ANYONE tell me what logic was served by REDESIGNING the friggin Abomination???
Seriously, what was the logic behind that? I don't even mind that they made his body like they did...but his MOST recognizable feature was taken away!!!!
I'm talking about the fins on the sides of his head of course. They could've had them...and the world would be happier. WHY did they change him?
Heck, cheat if you have to...make some jutting spines (like the ones on his back) coming out of the sides of his head...something!!!!
Maybe they'll pop out like a diloposaurus in Jurassic Park...or spring out like Dr. Zoidberg when he gets angry!
ARRRRRRRGGGHHHH!!!
Why? Just got to sit down with the designers and ask...why did you feel the need to change it?
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He sure looks like an abominable piece of literal shit. I can see why not go with the fins on the sides of the head, but at least something similar, like how he was designed in the surprisingly good Hulk:Ultimate Destruction video game from a few years ago. -
http://www.gry-online.pl/.%5CGaleria%5CHtml%5CDokumenty%5C145237187.jpg
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You see, I cannot see why they wouldn't go with the fins on the side of the head.
Just no good reason. None at all.
I hate that his head is as amooth as a baby's ass. the TOP of his head should be scaly and ridged.
They could have made his friggin ears large and bat-like, at least they would have ballanced out his head and made it look like he KINDA had the fins, or crest, or whatever you want to call it.
It's just so damn recognizable ya know?
It's like Captain America without his little wings on the side of his cowl...oh, wait...never mind. They messed that up in the Ultimates didn't they?
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http://tinyurl.com/226zed
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i loved the original film, it has heart and is exactly the opposite of what film geeks would piss on which is a movie that is baisically a great looking video game. this one just looks bad and not needed, i wish marvel would rework other shitty adaptations like fantastic four and daredevil.
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C'mon, that just is'nt a patch on the the various classic comic book incarnations of the Hulk. I wanted a block headed, neanderthal heavy browed, gnarly, raging, sinued tower of fury (ideally) in the style of McFarlane. This green ponce looks like a gangreenous Rob Lowe after he's hit the roids. And whats with that EMO bouffant, he should have rough cropped hair that looks like it was cut with a lawnmower! Ang Lee's hulk looked infinitely better. Pretty fundamental nailing the Hulk's physog and they floundered on this one IMHO.
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Why did they remove his most distinct characteristic?!?!?!?!?!?
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.....why does Ed Norton sound and look so"gay"in the first scene????
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Mar 13, 2008 2:31:35 PM CDT
THIS is what the ABOMINATION is suppossed to look like! With EAR
by holdyourfireal
http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=29468&zoom=4
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YES women think men get better looking as they get older! Example in point: George Clooney. As a young man - a weird, kind of ugly poodle-haired monstrosity. As a mature, silver-tinged gent - Cary Grant. I have loads more examples but I feel bad about discussing such things in a Hulk talkbalk. That, and everyone would probably start mocking me.
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Do a Google image search on Hulk 195
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...These guys (and gals) mock everything. "Mocking, mocking, mocking... always mocking! Now, it is Babu's turn to mock!" (Sorry about the Seinfeld moment) But yeah, we all mock 'cause it's just so damn much fun. Hell, it's even fun to just say the word "mock"! And just to keep it to a minimum... the new Hulk design, despite looking a little like something Dale McKeown drew, still looks pretty fake! That should be enough Hulk-related content to keep this posting legit. And by the way whoever... the new Abomination doesn't have the webbed ears because Letterier said they were ridiculous. (Yeah... I know, I know...) One more thing... George Clooney?!!???
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Is he recruiting the Hulk for the Avengers like he will in Iron Man?
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Spiderman 3 sucks ass and I can't wait to see The Hulk.
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Marvel clearly put all their efforts into Iron Man and let this one fizzle on it's own. They should have spread them out more...or just stop trying to make Hulk movies.
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I really like Ed Norton, so I will not be seeing this.
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Morons! And give him ears!!!!!
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http://www.empireonline.com/features/hulk/
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I have a feeling most of the people who bag on Lee's Hulk for being too slow and talky never really read the comics to begin with. There was tons of psychological stuff going on where Banner was constantly battling his "inner demons." Also, I'm getting sick of the poodle comments, as if that one thing utterly destroys the film. Bullshit. It's just bandwagon complaining.
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...that's him? Oh my...he looks nothing like the comic book counterpart? Did I miss something or is this reboot/revamp whatever the fuck it is a reimagining as well?
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...seeing that still it does remind me of Ang Lee's HULK, so if they want this to stand alone...they have not done a very good job...
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http://www.empireonline.com/features/hulk/1.asp
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bring back Bana.
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With him being dropped out of the heli... easily the best part of the trailer. CG looks meh.
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I'm not going to comment on the CG until it's released. The cool scene with Iron Man taking out the tank in the Superbowl trailer was a little rough but then look and moved so much better in the final trialer. They're still working on it. But I agree with Transmetropolitan, dropped out of the heli was cool.
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In my own defence - but a lot of my female brethren do. Ironically, I'm more of the 'Eric Bana' persuasion, especially with the beard - which brings us back to Hulk, sort of. Though not this Hulk of course. Hulk Hulk Hulk. Hulk.
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IS cool and all. I just don't want to see it ruined any more than Ultimates II, issue 13. And what's going on now in Ultimates is laughable.
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Y'all got something large and in charge up yer bums. It looks cool!
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I usually tend to ignore CG in trailers since it can be cleaned up for the final film, but what bothers me is that this isn't a trailer released in December, leaving a long period of time for tweaks. This is a trailer released a couple of months before the release date. You'd think they'd want everything to look top-notch, since this is the public's first look at a film that has to overcome a previous Hulk film that left a sour taste in many mouths. I'm not saying the CG was utter shit. It wasn't. But it wasn't top-notch, either. I'm not familiar with how long it takes to render effects, but for you guys who are, I have a question: if they decide to re-tool some effects, how much can they truly tinker with before the film is released? I'm genuinely curious.
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Ang lee made the mistake of crditing a potential hulk audience with intelligence when all they wanted was a dumb blockbuster.If he'd made a dumb blockbuster no doubt everybody would be bitchin about a lack of character depth or plot.Yes the mutant poodles were a misstep.And the final fight is love it or hate it.But it was a good movie which captured banners internal struggle.As for this version of the hulk the cgi does look worse.but the original hulks cgi looked crap in the superbowl trailer.but were undeniably great in the final movie.I think the problem is suspension of disbelief.
we loved jurassic park because they were recreation of a real animal.
Spider man is basically an luchadore who spins webbing(not too much a stretch of the imagination)
But a 12 foot bright green steroid freak is,i think a bit hard for most people to process as "real"
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I also like coming here to argue. I wouldn't frequent this site nearly as much if everyone was in line with my way of thinking. I hope everyone that comes to throw down has as much fun with it as I do. Cause I think of it as fun more than I do as a real argument.
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I'm not sure I would have called the first hulk movie intelligent ... experimental perhaps, but from a story point of view it was basically "man becomes monster, military wants to mash monster, monster mashes military". This trailer makes it seem like it only adds "military creates new monster, monster mashes new monster". I never read the comic, only saw the old tv series, but the movie seemed way too "big", too strong, too invincible. I always imagined the character of the Hulk working best when his anger made him a huge green caveman, but still basically human. I tend to loose all empathy when he's a tank-flinging powerhouse.
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Mar 13, 2008 5:18:10 PM CDT
Guys give me a break,and put your money where you mouth is
by industrykiller!
I explained exactly why I think Ang Lee's Hulk is as dumb as a bag of wet sand. Don't sit here and say I didn't like it because it wasn't stupid enough. The lack of action is never something I've brought up in arguing against that film. Instead of sitting there criticizing the people who are criticizing, why don't you try actually making a case for the movie. Chishu did. Do like him.
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I can only comment on what I see, so I make no inferences about the quality of the storytelling, nor will I get hung up exclusively on images strung together for a trailer, BUT the Hulk and Abomination characters look like they popped out of a video game. That's not to say they look "bad" persay, just that they don't seem to mesh well with the "real" backgrounds. Just my 1.5 cents
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Just to cover all my bases here. yes Banner indeed had a more Jarvis Cocker like face (they only draw comic characters angular after all), but you gotta give a little leeway for God sakes. he's a lot closer to Norton than he is to Bana. Who has much wider features. Now I love Eric Bana, great actor, but I think he got screwed by that role. he first of all is a bit to naturally big and broad, like a rugby player, but I can forgive a look. His bigness is not the issue. the issue is that Lee apparently didn't give him any solid direction. In the new GQ cover article Bana speaks candidly about this. Saying that Lee made him do one fucking take over a hundred times. That would break any actor. As a result the character of Banner was just too tight. SO tight that it seemed like nothing was going on upstairs. And if even you didn't mind that. It's not the character of Bruce Banner. It might have been Lee's interpretation, and he's entitled to it, but that makes it no more valid than Ben Afflecks "interpretation" of Daredevil. I think norton will probably have a more solid grasp ont eh role. And since he doesn't have some director saying behind his back "do it again, do it again, do it again" over and over, he'll have a bit mroe freedom. Given that the guy is one of the best, if not the best, actor of his generation, I've got a lot of faith in him. Even the films that he is in that I haven't liked I've always marveled at his performances.
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MTV.com are billing this as a "Trailer" not a "Teaser".
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I thought he was suppose to look different this time. Freakin' Ed Norton...I blame him for this...along with the Federal debt and the war in Iraq just for good measure.
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Lukewarm on the CGI work, though. Not that I'm shocked about that or anything.
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I agree with all you guys about the EARS! This is their ABOMINATION with EARS: http://tinyurl.com/yq2nkf So much better. Such a little thing.
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for... some reason. Link here: http://trailers.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/6413/t_incrediblehulkmovie_h264.mov
Just remove the spaces.
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I appreciate what he was trying to do, make a more internal cerebral kind of superhero movie, he just failed at it. What a disappointment after the revolutionary Tiger/Dragon. I had such hopes. All that sticks in my mind is the slowness of it. And that damn poodle.
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For those who missed my earlier post.
http://tinyurl.com/36x qf5
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Or CG.
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Thing did have three fingered hands. Will Abomination have two fingered hands?I presume the scaly plates are out as are the lumps across the top of his head.
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"INCREDIBLE! HULK will SMASH the BOX OFFICE and STEAL your HEART." YOU'LL LAUGH, YOU'LL CRY, YOU'LL NEVER INJECT YOURSELF WITH EDWARD NORTON'S FICTIONAL RADIOACTIVE BLOOD AGAIN! IN THEATERS EVERYWHERE JUNE 13
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Mar 13, 2008 7:25:56 PM CDT
Hey Wolfman *space* Nards... get a better fucking screen name
by wolfmannards
You ass
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They don't look real. They look plastic-y, but they certainly don't look CG. It looks like live action costumes.
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Love new blow-dried, layered look.
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God forbid that it is actually what Abomination really looks like!
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Troy is pretty great.
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Where's his trucker hat?
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In case any of you care, the theme from the INcredible Hulk TV series (you know what I'm talking about), as rumored, is in the new film. Or at least a rendition. If you go to the new Web site, http://incrediblehulk.marvel.com and click on the gallery, there's a newer version of that theme playing in the background.
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I keep watching all these new trailers for Iron Man, The Hulk and Indiana Jones, then I watch The Dark Knight Trailer, see Ledger and Bale, get goosebumps and remember that this film will be the best of the YEAR! and don't be surprised if Heath Ledger gets nominated for this role. Hey, if Johnny Depp can get an oscar nod for Captain Jack then Ledger has a chance with the Joker.
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The CGI is noit very good.
For the record, ILM (Lucas) is not doing this one's special effects. R&H are doing them. Speak the truth, people.
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Excuse the spelling errors. I'm semi-drunk.
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You know it did.
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It absolutely looked better.
ILM vs. R&H. No comparison.
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Also, the script for TIH is out there and has been for quite some time.
P.S. – It is not very good.
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even with its unfinished effects the guys doing the CGI for the HULK have managed to adapt a far more closer rendition of the Hulk in the Comics than the bloated-Bana confused creature ILM did for Ang Lee's film. Note to all who simply don't have a clue: The Hulk does not look like Bruce Banner when they change, they look like opposite ends of the spectrum, it's a total metamorphosis from one being into another. Ang Lees Hulk looked like Eric Bana and kept growing to ridiculous sizes. He had more bulk than Hulk and NEVER got anyway near as Angry and ferocious as the Hulk is supposed to. In too many scenes the Hulk in that flick just looked confused or upset. If you read the comics you'd see that the Hulk always looks MAD, ANGRY as Hell, veins popping out of the neck and muscles rippling out of sheer power. Once he calms down to the state the Ang lee Hulk looked like most of the time, he would already be turning back into Banner! Ang Lees Hulk missed the point of the rage of the beast. This new film has managed to convey exactly that in just one trailer, the very Hulk we all read in the comics. And as a side note they managed to do his torn trousers properly instead of that stupid lycra bicycle shorts CGI effect that Ang Lees Hulk wore just to make life easy for the FX guys. That's the difference between this Hulk and Ang Lee's hulk, its a way better version even in its unfinished state because it's far more accurate to what the Hulk is supposed to be. If you can't see that from one trailer then I gues you need to revisit the source material to see what the damn film was supposed to be about in the first place and why exactly so many people dump on Ang Lees admirable but misguided adaption of the classic comic character. People in these talkbacks love to shoot their mouths off before they actually do their homework or even get their facts straight!
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I told you fuckers about those weeks ago on the stupid new frontier board- Marvel OWNS DC animation with those things- except for the Batman anime coming out that looks great too. Those marvel shorts have the best cgi ever for a cartoon/non-attempt at full realism.
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can someone explain how he was able lead a Army, Get Married Conceive a child, and Be King of Planet.
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its Trucker!
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ed norton is fighting with marvel over edit, where is the director, did he transport somewhere?
ed norton approved this shitty teaser , just goes to show he dosnt know what he is doing, scenes with ed norton and liv tyler are lackluster at best. -
Unless you're talking about Marvel Ultimate alliance.
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The Hulk looks like he's made of plastic and the Abomination looks like Mr. Hyde from the Van Helsing movie. Speaking of which, instead of this fake looking CGI, why didn't they just use prostetics over a live actor like they did in Van Helsing? It looked more believable and seemed to have weight and fit in with the scene more than crappy (and more expensive) CGI.
I also prefer the look of Gil Kane's original version of the Abomination from the 1960's comics. -
Where's the bat-eared Abomination I grew up reading? Bana was Banner IMO! Ed Norton is just playing Ed Norton and to base this on the attrocious Bixby TV series is another reason not to shell out my $11.00. I like Ed, but his ego is getting out of hand unless he relizes that this movie will be utter shit.does he know something we don't? This "New" Hulk has a tacked on look.meaning..cheap CGI.
Well, despite these complaints, it'll still own Stalkerman returns. -
The Emporer wears new Hoes.
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than Jack "The King" Kirby.
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needs their fucking eyes tested. I don't think i've worked on a show where we didn't replace retarded-looking practical effects with cg
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Well Ang Lee haters, you got your big monster fight, whoopie doo. Lee's Hulk will shit on this from an incredible height.
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who grew big muscles when he got mad because he took some potion like Jekyll. That's who the Abomination looks like.
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could have been a great idea, because then they wouldn't have to redo the origin story.
That was why X2 and SpiderMan 2 worked better than the first movies of each series. They already had thev characters and concepts establised and they skipall that and go staight to the story and action. -
be awesome.
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Good Lord, you guys. There are lots of reasons, and Letterier chose the most obvious to talk about: He looks fucking stupid. But, in order to make sure you guys understand a possible reason why, let's take his shorthand for the inherent problems in bringing Emil Blonsky to the screen and elaborate.1. He Looks FUCKING DUMB.Let's look back fondly on the Abomination...see if we're seeing the same thing here...?Okay, guy roughly the size of the Hulk, fine...Green as well...Okay works on a comic page where four colors is all you got, but we're dealing with film where you got two guys colored like the Jolly Green Giant, it grates on the eye. Then, there's the fucking panties. He wears blue panties. What kid nowadays would consider a giant green man in a Speedo a worthy adversary for the rampaging Hulk? Gay kids...or kids with a deep down fear of giant green molesters from Barcelona. He has two giant toes with toenails. This too, is WAY dorky. It looks like something nerds, geeks, and dweebs would like and hitch their wagon to, to be 'different' or 'unique'. And while there's lots and lots of those people counted on coming to see a Hulk movie, what they hope will happen is that the movie will bridge the gap between nerd-dork, and regular folk enough to make people happy. However, let me be clear, studios don't care about the 10% of the population that will hate this flick out of hand because of character design...they...and I...know that nerds can't help themselves. They will see it because then they can carp, whine, and whinge on about a film they've actually seen! They have you by the short and curlies.Now, lastly in the 'looks stupid' category, the face of the Abomination looks like a puffy lipped fish man with spiky ears. Puffy lips can be read one of two ways...and working with lots of design guys in my everyday career life, I know that big lips = danger zone for the sensitive. With that, you have to be careful. Because some could take big rounded lips as a caricature on old deep-seated racial epithets, and believe me, you don't want a 100 million dollar flick protested over something so goddamned stupid as thinking a big green dude with lumpy lips is some kind of racial slur. Even George Lucas was shocked to find out people thought HIS Abomination (Jar Jar) was 'racially biased', but it could easily be seen as such, especially given the strange pidgin speech he gave his alien rather than the old way of doing things; subtitling well-crafted gibberish.And second, big lumpy lips? LOOKS FUCKING STUPID ON SOMETHING REAL. Cartoons of it are good, and can look kind of cool, but they're not easily translated into three dimensions. Oh, and the whole, they look fucking dumb thing.2. Whatever Happened to Emil Blonsky?Hey, kids, it's not easy to make something from the 60s palatable for you guys. Nerds, I know it's your cuddly blankie, but we need to update it for modern audiences...or people will laugh it out of town. Emil Blonsky cannot be a Russian, Cold-War Era Saboteur, because like the moustache twiddling Robber Baron or Domino Masked Bandit with the black and white striped shirt and big black bomb with a thick oarman's rope fuse...they're both big broad stereotypical bad guys that are OUTDATED. Sorry, he doesn't get to be the awesome old-school bad guy, unless it's a period piece, and though some of you are behaving like you're on your periods about Abomination, it's not taking place in the 60s... I hope this gives you a possible perspective. And you guys have all the right in the world to think that Hulk needs to be one way or another, but you really need to understand that they're not making YOU a movie, they're making a movie for all the people who might not know a thing or six about comics. Namely, regular-folk...non-nerdy types like you and me. I don't understand the primal internet need or interneed to kvetch at the outset about two minutes of a flick, or to defend an ideological stance on a big green dude with such ferocity, but hey, most times it's fun to read. I for one, stand on the fact that Lee made 'BrokeBanner Mountain' instead of a 'HULK' movie.
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cheers for the measured reply, i agree with you about bana's physique, too big. and if ang lee made him do 100 takes of a shot then that's just ridiculous. regardless, that flawed film looks to be a million light years away from what this trailer and script reviewers have hinted at. too many cliches.
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As crap as the original comic mini-series. Quite simply you don't make films out of comic gimics and Planet Hulk was a huge crossover comic gimic involving too many characters from too many different comics just to squeeze money out of the typical non-thinking comic fanboy! Considering that the Hulk as a world movie series already got off to a failed start, they need to re-establish the character in his early days for the movie going public first, before they even begin to start chronicling the other events in his long history such as becoming a mob-boss, do the grey phase, retain intelligence, Doc Samson, The Leader and least of all Planet Hulk! If they're smart, they'll stay away from a great deal of those stories!
Phategod1 - Hulk does calm down and that's why he turns back into Banner. Later in his history he becomes more dominant after he changes so his persona as the Hulk remains for longer periods regardless of his change in degrees of calm and rage. These films are the early days of the Hulk, all the stuff you mentioned is decades down the line in story telling. -
That's pretty much the meat and bones of it. Ang Lee didn't make a Hulk Movie, he did his own thing. Quite simply if Marvel had made comic about the Hulk the way Ang Lee made that film, then the series would have been canceled years ago. All those preferring Ang Lees flick to this two minute trailer simply want something other than the actually fans who read the Hulk. I'm not a fan, but i like to see comic chracters done justice on screen, hell i even shot down Singers X-men before i saw the movie which turned out to do the comic better justice on a small budget than i cooncieved it would. But Ang Lee's Hulk was just miles of target, he pitched for the fans, threw a curve ball and his Hulk-ball got caught by a minority bunch who seem to have no clue as to what the Hulk ever was like in the first place.
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Looks like that, for the same reason Justin Hammer's the bad guy in Iron Man...Because MODOK looks like a retarded...NO, he IS a retarded face in a bucket with tiny little cocktail shrimp arms and legs sticking out of it. That's a heartwarming story on Dateline NBC, not a fucking superhuman mastermind computer brain-man. Abomination = Flames on MODOK. :)
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Also, Lee, by taking out the Gamma Bomb, also took out Hulk As Hero (Banner can't save Rick Jones...as a matter of fact, Jones isn't IN HULK)...Hulk as Impetus (Blonsky isn't trying to sabotage the bomb, so now we get blue Drain-O injected Abomination instead)...So he neutered the Hulk..you know, more and more his decisions seem to be more neutering to the Hulk mythos than whatever this flick's gonna do. And while people are bitching about the new movie looking like the old TV show, probably because of the shot in the Bill Bixby chair, I'd like to remind you that getting a proper skull x-ray takes a fucking chair like that, I'm pretty sure. Or, they thought the chair was a good visual metaphor for the original Hulk series...which had Thor (Who couldn't fly) Daredevil (Dressed in black satin with a weird mask), and killed the Hulk...Heh...Can anyone say 'TENTPOLE!' I hear cash registers ringing for more of those foam Hulk hands. >:)
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Actually, a shorter version of what I wrote above would be: The reason Abomination doesn't look like the comics, is the same reason Christian Bale isn't tooling around in a jet black Lincoln Futura with plexi-bubbles, no top, and bat wings on the ass of it. Some things would look stupid in a modern context.
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"This is the first big Hulk-out and it’s guys picking a fight with Banner and cornering him. We’ve got this huge action sequence in a bottling factory, which has got everything a good fight needs: soda, glass and big metal tanks. (Laughs) No, it’s cool. It’s really like Ghost And The Darkness, the feel, where you only glimpse Hulk and it’s really scary. Like Alien, where you think you’re seeing the Hulk but it’s not the Hulk — it’s a tank. You think you’re seeing a tank and it’s Hulk. I mean, there are some nice, interesting things."
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You're making assumptions, friend. I am very very familiar with the Hulk comics (from the 60's stories to the modern tales), one of my favorite Marvel characters, and I am a die-hard supporter of Ang Lee's Hulk. Ang Lee brought Hulk back to the desert, where Stan Lee's Hulk was born. A HUGE FACTOR for true Hulk fans. Hulk takes on the Thunderbolt Ross and the army, which is what like 65% of the old Stan Lee stories were about. Ang Lee actually has Hulk utter the words "Puny human", a classic comics line. It's all there, compadre. And don't know if you realize this, but in the official comics origin, Bruce grows up in an abusive household, his father kills his mother, and Bruce represses this memory into adulthood. There was also an issue with Hulk Dogs.
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In Ang Lee's Hulk, Bruce Banner saves Harper from the malfunctioning/sabotaged Gamma Ray machine, and takes the potentially lethal dose himself, like a fellow soldier falling on a live grenade. Yes, Ang Lee does make Hulk a Hero. (can't do the original gamma bomb story as America doesn't test in New Mexico anymore, and realistically, pushing Rick Jones into a six foot deep bunker wouldn't have saved him from the bomb's megaton blast anyway, or Bruce for that matter).
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Every single one of you will be in the theater this June seeing this movie, if only so you can bitch about how much it 'sucked' the next day on the TB.
And to whomever it was that suggested a man in suit for The Hulk, that's the most ridiculatarded thing I've heard all morning. The reason the Thing works (one of the few things they did get right in the FF movies is) is because that's how The Thing is supposed to look, just slightly bigger than your average person. The Hulk on the other hand is just that, a Hulking monstrosity. Not the 15 feet tall version from the Ang Lee version, but bigger than us. A suit would look too clunky and just dumb. And then you guys would complain about that instead of it not looking real enough.
Search your feelings, you know all this to be true. -
looks silly.
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I ain't seeing it.
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I for one did like Ang Lee’s HULK. Was it perfect? No. It had its flaws and it had its good points. So you either liked it or hated it. Fine, every one has their choice, just like every one has a point of view in this version of our favorite Mean Green giant. And just like Ang Lee’s version, people will be criticizing this one too, No Matter What! The total recasting really didn’t sit well with me but then again, this is suppose to be another chapter in the Hulk and so being, a new start. William Hurt, Tim Roth and Ed Norton, are just some of the great actors of our time. But I hope they can pull their respective characters off. I for one do have some issues with the Hulk’s new look. He looks like something out of an anime. He actually reminds me of Ryu of the Street Fighter anime movie. I would have prefered the Lee’s version of Hulk, but this one looks a bit too lean and; it my just be me but this Hulk does seem to be on the younger side. Abomination really is the kick in the nuts for me. I really don’t see the reason why Hollywood would change a character that is followed by millions around the world and just pretty much turn them into versions that don’t even come close to the original. I don’t mind change, but at least keep some resemblance to the original. Some one pointed it out that Abomination looks like Swamp Thing. And after doing some comparisons, sure enough he does look way too much like Swamp Thing. Would it hurt them if Abomination had fin-ears instead of that Mr. Clean look? Or change his skin color to something that truly matches what Abomination stands for . . . an abomination. Just like many people, I do have some hope for this movie. As the track record for comic book movies goes, the fans are losing while Hollywood rakes in the cash. I have high hopes in IRON MAN and THE DARK KNIGHT. Those are a give but for the Hulk and can only cross my fingers and hope that Hollywood doesn’t shit on yet another of a beloved hero just to make a fucking buck off it.
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Mar 16, 2008 4:17:59 PM CDT
i was so looking forward to better computer generated images
by crashbarbarian
i guess iron man looks so seemless and gorgeous because he's less flesh, same with transformers... these fleshly creatures are to hard to get right. Gollum, Kong, Watto are good examples of fleshly creatures, but they aren't resembling real humans either.. well maybe gollum a little... i don't know, im just trying to figure out why they can't get this right!
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