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UPDATED! Which Writers Will Not Be Writing The SUPERMAN Sequel?? Will Singer Be Back??
IESB's "multiple sources" on the writers for the new SUPERMAN are evidently incorrect, according to CHUD. Orci and Kurtzman not only aren't writing the film... they haven't even been approached. One assumes the search for just the right take on this sequel continues. I'll just sit here waiting for my own phone to ring.
Waiting...
Waiting...
Merrick here...
IESB has an interesting report about the status of the next SUPERMAN movie.
Seems multiple sources have confirmed that Bryan Singer is "on board" the next film, despite persistent rumors he may not be coming back (word is Singer will re-consider/re-vamp his approach to the franchise in the next film).
As previously noted, SUPERMAN RETURNS writers Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris are no longer with the sequel; indications are that Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman (Abrams' STAR TREK and Bay's TRANSFORMERS) may end up scripting the film.
The original report, including a few more details, can be found HERE.
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Mar 11, 2008 12:43:39 PM CDT
So Superman will piss on John Turturro in this movie?
by filmcritic3000
Just wondering.
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Including Donner. Give me a shot, studio people.
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Metropolis was nothing but models and CG and it looked like half the size of New York City for some reason.
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As soon as I saw the headline I thought "I bet Kurtzman and Orci are going to rape another franchise". I remember when their best mate (JJ Abrams) decided to make Lex Luthor a fucking Kryptonian, Lu-Thor or something lame.
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Transformers writers can't write.
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what was Turturro doing in that popcorn crap fest in the first place. Anyway I wasn't disappointed with SR so I'm glad there's a confirmed sequel.
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We need a fucking alien monster in this. Enough of Lex Luthor.
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It's not like they can fuck it up anymore than singer did with his last attempt. Seriously turning superman into a creepy stalker and a weekend dad, way to fuck with an icon.
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STOP casting pretty-boys in their twenties and get a man approaching 40 to play Superman. He should look authoritarian and powerful, not emo and anime.
Second thing: How about a goddamn superhuman villain? None of this lame-ass "I've got a real estate scheme" Lex Luthor crap. No fucking kryptonite, either.
Finally, we don't need a Superman-stalks-Lois Lan angle. Really. We really don't need that much Lois Lane. You could make her a character who gets a five-minute scene, and then ditch her for the rest of the movie, and we'd STILL have had too much Lois Lane in all the Superman movies. She gets WAY too much screen-time for a movie called "Superman".
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I really hope Singer doesn't come back. All he did was remake Superman 1 with a few additions. Awful. Why can't they have Superman fight someone on par with himself? Brainiac? Bizarro?? Someone else besides Luthor!
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So they can relate to the story at all. You put an alien in there or some giant monster and people will complain about how wholesome, American Superman has turned into another crappy sci-fi action flick. I would love to see Mongul or Darkseid as much as the next geek, but honestly, movie audiences don't know an don't care about them. It's the same thing that one would risk by trying to put Clayface or Killer Croc in a batman flick - it just wouldn't wash with the public. They no-likey the monster-monster.
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. . . his approach to the franchise in the next film." Like maybe a tribute to the comic book???
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I can't fuckin stand Singer. Please, please keep him away from the next Superman project.
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If they keep Routh are they going to call it, "Superskinnyman Returns Again?" "Look! Up in the sky! It's a turd! And, it's lame! It's Superskinnyman!" Get rid of the hopeless hack Singer. Superman's not a daytime soap opera. Put some life into it this time. No more Lex Luthor!
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and I was one of the three people that really loved Ang Lee's "Hulk".
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Destroyed Superman in my eyes. I like him as a director and can't diss him completely. I hope he does a better job this time around.
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And kill off the Superman movie franchise. It was a mistake to have anyone fill in for Christopher Reeves so soon.
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Supes needs a good villain... we have the technology.. the last movie was a bore... this is the answer! I'm serious.
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Unwarranted? Are you serious? SR was total crap. That wasn't even Superman. That was a gay boy in denial who had a kid out of wedlock and leaves him. Oh, and crapped on the American way. Oh, yeah, and Superboy. Where's the Superpooch while they're at it?
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that they aren't just revamping the whole fucking thing and starting from scratch. Singer had an opportunity to reboot the whole series and instead he wrote a love letter to Donner's 70s interpretation. It wasn't a terrible effort, but it also wasn't too good.Singer should be canned. The whole series should be rebooted, helmed by... someone like Grant Morrison.And, oh yeah--By the way, Troy was pretty great.
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I'm not sure you can say that. I think if they put in a "monster-monster", they could actually make Superman do something super, and if you make it exciting and throw in some more action, the non-geek movie audience would get behind it, no matter the name of that villain. Node, it's completely warranted. I didn't really like Lee's Hulk, but at least he tried something original. Singer cannot say the same.
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that is all.
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Hollywood films are made by a number of people.
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I agree with bobinnova's post that Superman: Doomsday would make a fantastic cinematic adaptation. They could even tie in the Reign of the Supermen plot line as well.
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Superman Returns was the first Superman movie I ever saw, and I thought it was just okay. Then I watched the first Superman on Demand and was blown away. It was awesome - better than Returns in every way, even the action scenes, which had worse special effects! In short, I really have no interest in seeing other Superman in the vein of Returns. First two X-Mens were great though.
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before the JLA movie completely fucks up the chances for all DC characters, i fear after that bomb comes out no one will want to see superman for a long time
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I guess that makes me the third of the aforementioned 'three people that really loved Ang Lee's "Hulk"' - can't believe how much shit they catch.
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Transformers had a writer? you got to be kidding me..Will someone please send Singer to a diffrent planet so he can't some near this project..He should be whipped just for wasting all that money on those lame as overpriced shots that never made the film..
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another reason for me to ignore this sequel when it hits the fan... er, I meant the screen.
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Bosworth is terrible. Oh and how about more action this time? People love Singer so much and claim X2 was the best movie ever. While it wasn't complete shit, it was still not great. U got these bad ass people with powers, yet in the end they acted like Power Rangers all helpless. I was expecting Storm to pull out a flute and scream "We Need Wolvie!". Singer just can't do action. When I saw that Superman essentially date raped Lois with his memory wiping kiss I was done. Get Alex Proyas to direct.
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Superman needs to be a big old football player looking guy that Alex Ross would be proud of. Fuck this 70's Donner shit - every generation needs their own version of Superman and Reeves' Supes' time has come and gone. We need a REBOOT. We don't need an origin, we don't need Lois, we don't need Hackman/Spacey real estate bullshit...if we have Luthor we need Clancy Brown Evil Businessman Timm Luthor. IF.
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Mark Millar offered to write this for free!
He is one of the best comic (if not the best current) writers currently working and he writes in a very cinematic style (such as The Ultimates), plus Superman:Red Son is one of the best Superman Books in a long time...
He offered, however as he is currently tenured at Marvel, WB said no thanks. Shame, im not suggesting every comic writer can write movies but his style is perfectly matched. -
A fresh, WB take on the franchise!
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...I'm starting the countdown clock for when you-know-who shows up...***obtains sniping postion***
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World's Finest Fan Film.
Sandy Collora gave us not only a Batman as damn close to the comic book as you can get -- he showed us a big guy playing Superman (Michael O'Hearn, now appearing on the new American Gladiators). He looked the part both as Superman AND Clark -- as if ripped right from the comic pages themselves.
I'm with Billy Batts -- with all due respect to Chris Reeve -- no one has gotten this character right, except for some little-known Film Director who clearly understands what fans/moviegoers would want. -
Man, oh man. On the Transformers extras (I was in a dark, dark place) Orci said something along the lines of "We included Scorponok as a shout-out to fans of Beast Wars!" and Kurtzman said "We included a VW Beetle at the garage as a shout-out to Bumblebee fans!" As if referentiality automatically makes a good story. Whereas in fact we know it's the way to creative paralysis, don't we my fellow peeps? Oh I am just down with the kiddies lingo today! I can just imagine the Star Trek DVD now... "We included the line 'Beam me up Scotty!' as a shout-out to the 'Beam me up Scotty' fans!"
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Person to like the Hulk? I thought it looked great, the "hated" comic panel screen was something that I liked, and the SFX were better looking than Spiderman. The problem with that movie was that it was waaaay too serious at times, and lacked a definitive end battle. Oh yeah and the Hulk poodle was pretty stupid. But I think that movie gets too much hate. People need to redirect the hatred toward the Fantastic Four movies.
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now, throw in Kuntzman and Orcshit and you have the absolute certainty that it'll be crap. Way to improve upon the flawed first movie.
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... I saw SR the other day on cable, and I absolutely loved it. Granted, I saw it three times in the cinema and, while I wasn't wowed by it, I obviously liked it enough to keep going back. This time, however, with some time having passed, I absolutely LOVED it.
The rage you see at AICN over this film is complete gibberish to me. I can see X3 getting that sort of treatment. FOX and Ratner truly did demolish that franchise when we should be talking about X5 at this point. While X3 was a mindless clusterfuck of a movie, SR had subtle emotions, a deceptively simple plot that yields dividends the more you think about it, and a quality cast.
People calling it "Superman Lifts" are especially wack. The airplane rescue scene is full of fantastic action that somehow manages to give Superman a challenge while respecting the laws of physics. Besides that, he's constantly using his powers - heat vision, x-ray vision, super-breath - in creative ways. And, yes, there's the morally creepy use of his x-ray vision to check in on Lois ... but did you catch that line when Richard says, "X-ray vision, I'd have fun with that one"? Duh, we'd all fantasize about the junk we'd pull if we had those powers ... but Superman actually shows some morally questionable behavior there that makes you stop and think.
And yes, it's time to move on past Lex (or more like it, incorporate him into a larger universe where he's just one villain among many), but how about that line at the beginning where Martha Kent says to Clark something like, "You don't know who could be out there"? I think that was a set up line that would make a great opening line to the teaser trailer for the next film. (I'm crossing my fingers for Brainiac, personally.)
The film's obviously not everyone's cup of tea. All I know is I can sit down with this film and pull more out of it with every viewing ... which is more than I can say about a slew of recent films, like the SW prequels, X3, 300, etc., etc., which I can barely sit through, let alone enjoy enough to want to talk about it later. -
I think there were several big mistakes in Superman Returns that I hope the writers (and Singer, if he's back) can avoid next time...
1. There's no reason why the 70s movies should be the de facto model; Superman was established decades before this, and the Donner film was pretty cheesy in retrospect. It's a big waste that Singer chose to basically just copy Donner's film in both style and story and add a kid.
2. I think the actor playing Superman was fine. The problem was that the writers gave him NOTHING to say, making him a total bore.
3. Lex Luthor. Why is it that Superman writers feel compelled to have Luthor in EVERY friggin' Superman story? Where's the originality here? We're sick of Luthor. He's there throughout Smallville, and he's there in every Superman movie since the 70s. There's a world of other possibilities to consider...
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...and thus is Superman...
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That way we can complete the trifecta of stupidity with Orci and Kurtzman.
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The guy has super speed, flight, strength etc and he spent the last film lifting increasingly heavier objects and stalking lois. And oh yeah luthor tried to kill him with kryptonite again.
We should have braniac, or darkseid or someone similar. Someone who can be a threat to superman physically. Whilst Luthor works in the background, trying to use the events to his advantage.
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Perfect....see her in The Aviator, kinda like that.
Im all for Singer as i liked SR but the tribute to Donner has been done, we need Brainiac and a few fist fights, a breezier direction. -
as in he might make it good?
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Oh and can Superman have a gay robot (robosexual) sidekick? He also must lift a lot of heavy stuff, cause that was sooo exciting in Superman Returns...
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fuckwambamy
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I can totally see that coming.
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Come on... If you look at Superman Returns, there are some stand out moments. I would put the plane crash/rescue up there as a great action sequence.. I would even put the 'flight' between Supes and Lois over Metropolis as a great moment, very moving, touching on music and imagery from the Richard Donner movies (it brought a lump to my throat!).. I would even put some of the 'save metropolis' sequence as good... I would concede that the last 20 minutes was a mistake, but I am on the fence about the 'Super son' situation.. When i first heard about it, i was a bit miffed, but actually watching it in the movie, I wasn't that annoyed (I actually thought the kid was one of the best, least annoying kids in cinema history... probably because he didn't say much)... Singer was obviously going for a serious feeling movie, and probably strayed just a little bit too close to the seriousness (something Ang Lee did all too much in the Hulk movie).. Singers craftmanship can be seen in bucket loads in Returns and the imagery that was brought to the film was truley comic book (some shots were pure Alex Ross)... Singer being back with everything he has learnt, bring it on.. A craftman and an artist, with the knowledge of moving slightly closer to the more mass market, pop corn type storyline, but keeping some of quality seen in the first film has a chance of producing a quality film.... Fingers crossed..
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...but HATED Superman Returns. Not even a huge fan of Donner's Superman. I think, as long as they keep trying to update Superman, they'll keep fucking him up. They seriously need to make a 1940's period piece out of it. Or -- better yet -- adapt Tom De Haven's novel: "It's Superman!". You can tell that Singer doesn't get the character, solely from the visual homage to Action Comics #1 in Returns, where Supes is gently putting down a car instead of throwing it. What a gloomy, wishy washy, angst-ridden piece of shit that movie was. And remember, Superman should be superhuman, not godlike. "Faster than a speeding bullet...more powerful than a locomotive...able to leap tall buildings in a single bound..." The best thing you can give a character is limitations.
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Regarding Lex: I wouldn't be adverse to the character figuring in to future films as long as he's not the dime store Vaudevillian, cornball wiseacre from all the previous films. It still astounds me that movie-Lex has been reduced from the ultra-manipulative and deceptive mega-mind of the comics into the real estate obsessed huckster of the films. Shit, I'm surprised Singer didn't try to pull poor old Ned Beatty out of the old folks home to play Lex's bumbling sidekick, Otis. Whether Millar or Morrison are involved, I wish the filmmakers would do a tad bit of research on the best comic plots and characters that are extant. There's no need to reinvent the fucking wheel here...
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3 Words Faggots! Superman Versus Cloverfield.
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First off - Michael O'Hearn looked like an idiot as Clark.
Second - Superman doesn't have to have the build of 'Ahnald' to be believable. It's his alien heritage that makes him strong - not some ridiculous comic muscles.
Third - Lex Luthor should be far, far away fome this story. Unless he's only in the first five minutes and somehow uncovers a soulless, heartless, Brainiac who immediately kills of that stupid super kid from Returns. That will surely get Superman's blood boiling, and give us the kind of throw-down that we want to see in a Superman movie.
Fourth - NO FUCKING KRYPTONITE!!!!
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Do the studios seek out crap writers? What great screenwriting leads the powers that be to believe that these two clowns are the ones to save the Superman series (hate the word franchise)? There's a great book waiting to be written about how so many young talentless pretty boys came to positions of power in the movie industry amd fucked up a lot of potentially good movies.
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You were all thinking it.
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apart from the awful monster dog attack sequence. At least Lee was trying to do something different, he deserves points for that. I expect a major re-evaluation of this film after people have witnessed the 'work' of Louis Letterier this summer.
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Mar 11, 2008 1:37:31 PM CDT
Will someone fucking make Superman Lives already?
by dr. stanley goodspeed
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/superman-lives-script.html
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Sad to see that AICN's homophobic asshole brigade is still pissing their beds.
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I always thought that the problem with the character IN GENERAL was that he has probably the weakest rogues gallery of all the big comic book super heroes. I'm a Marvel guy so I'm not so well versed in Supes lore, but I couldn't name a single worthwhile villain to go up against him - Lex IS HUMAN, Brainiac, Bizarro and Doomsday are all ridiculous and more than a bit shit, who is the one that could really give him a run for his money without having to resort to Kryptonite-spiked drinks or Kryptonite gas or Kryptonite flavoured gummy bears? I commend Superman Returns for essentially ignoring the lacklustre villains and making it more of a character piece - now all the people that moaned about that decision are gonna get exactly what they asked for, from the two guys who know exactly how to deliver brainless shit.
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Piss on Returns for trying to be a little bit different from your average Superhero flick, and you the franchise fucking Bay-ized. Not to mention all the despicable Gay baiting you lobbed Singer and Routh's way. This makes me happy. There is a God, and His Vengence is fucking fierce.
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Supes is one of the few heroes (along with the X-Men, FF or Iron Man) who need the period treatment, as they were much mor interesting and/or compelling at the time of their creation.
21st century fits Batman, or Daredevil, or Hulk. But Supes needs the old fashioned American Way as much as the X-Men need the Civil Rights or Shellhead needs the Cold War to fully exploit their potential. Besides, that would absolutely ROCK onscreen with today's technology. And bring a bit of originality in the comics to film adaptations. -
How many times do we have to hear the same ol' rehashed bitches about SR. Yeah, it didn't please EVERYONE, but some liked it...just how some didn't like Batman Begins and some won't like Iron Man, etc. Did Singer take the wrong approach initially...yes. Was it a bad idea bringing a Super-offspring into it...hell yes (unless they kill him off). Was it watchable? IMO, yes. AND, not only that, but it brought Superman back on the screen and opened up the potential for future films. If nothing else, it managed that.
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Indiana Jones, John McClane, Superman, and Rambo versus Terminator, Alien, Predator, Freddy, and Jason. Everyone dies in the end so Hollywood can just move on. We can call it "Bryan Singer and the Kingdom of the 1980s Remake"
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to say that I liked Ang Lee's Hulk. So much so that I was planning on boycotting the new one... (until rumours of an RDJ Iron Man appearance started popping up. However, I LOATHE Singer's Superman Returns. He simply does not get who Superman IS. His greatest power isn't his strength, or his ability to fly really fast and so on. It's his ability to always no right from wrong. He would know it was wrong to X-ray vision Lois' house to spy on her. And he certainly would've known it was wrong to knock her up when she was only 18 and then leave the world to go looking for his roots. (What a stupid concept anyway). I wish for a Superman Reboot. One that is more in line with the comics than with the movies. Krypton is destroyed. Kal-el comes to earth. Ma and Pa Kent BOTH live to see him save the world. And I prefer my Lex Luthor as a multi-billionaire megalomaniac. They came close with Spacey. But his scheme was ridiculous. Please. WB. Let me produce your movie. Step 1. Fire Singer. Step 2. Fire the TF writers. Step 3. Write a new Superman movie for a new generation. Step 4. Hire a Superman who can be physically intimidating in blue and red tights. (although Routh was the least of my complaints in SR). NO KIDS FOR SUPERMAN!!!! And I wish I knew how to write this using paragraphs. :(
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*** Hold for Confirmation ***
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Come on, Superman Returns was a disaster. A $200 million movie that starts with a title card explaining all the back story? Come on, that's a rookie error. A lame title sequence, trying to evoke the majesty of the Donner original and failing miserably. The first scene in the movie is the lame schtick with Kevin Spacey in a truly terrible, phoned in performance. The plane crash sequence is not exciting at all, having been thought out and pre-planned about a thousand times on a computer a year earlier. Bosworth, Marsden and Routh are horribly bland, with no charisma or screen presence. I could go on, but i'm getting depressed just thinking about it. Hang on, just thought of all the 'Superman as Christ' metaphor shots...All in all possibly the least exciting superhero movie i've ever seen.
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TOO SOON!!!
Damn you, Bryan Singer!
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That stated, SR ain't too good, but it doesn't have to do with anyone's sexual orientation.By the way, gay bashers, have you seen me knife? Remember, guys: HOMOPHOBES = CLOSET CASES. It's scientifically proven (google "University of Georgia" and "homophobia").
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DC villians in general are pretty lame. I was given a DC Comics encyclopedia and a Marvel encyclopedia as a gift for xmas last year and looking through the DC one was pretty humerous. Superman DOESN'T have many villians that are worth bringing to the screen (Doomsday, perhaps, and also Zod), but the rest are so implausible or ridiculous that doing so would take all the believability out of it. Just like if they had put the real Galactus in FF2. Some characters are NOT good for film.
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Superman Returns had some good ideals but was flat as a movie. Flat acting, flat directing. No tension or connection with any of the characters. Casting was horrible. (Ok, it had couple of great visual moments.)
Kurtzman/Orci can only make things worse.
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Started out well, picked up when Steve Buscemi appeared, went south when Bay through out the script to do huge action sequence. Went soft and mushy when the black mercenary switched sides. Ended up an unbelivable mess.
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Seriously... these guys have ruined enough franchises. THey realize I gues that writing for a franchise will still bring in the crowd even if the writing is REALLY REALLY BAD.
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Hope they die!
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On paper (not drawn...) Doomsday sounds like a brilliant villain for Supes, but he looks goddam stupid, obviously whoever put him in a movie would change him up a bit, but then you're opening up the 'It's-Not-True-To-The-Source!!!' can of fanboy rage. As for Zod, I find it impossible to feel threatened by Terrence Stamp in a baggy jumpsuit, and that's how I'll always remember that character. I follow Smallville pretty closely and, to be honest, I'd be pretty happy watching a Superman movie if the villain was Lex Luthor the way he's played on that show, genuinely sinister, rather than some campy scenery muncher.
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How ironic of you, sir!
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The only thing I thought could have been better was Lois Lane, her acting sucked. I loved Brandon Routh as Superman.
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in my book. Both still flawed like shit though but what movie isn't. *shrugs*
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...some one on the TB's a few weeks ago said they didn't think that Singer was a fan of Superman...and I have to agree.Now, he always said he loved the first movie (who didn't?) and is a huge Christopher Reeve fan...but I really don't think he is a Superman fan...and if he is...he DOESN'T "get him."I live and work in LA and there are times I fantasize about running into Singer so I can give him a long list of how many ways and how much he missed the mark with that movie.While watching it I enjoyed Superman Returns, but once I sat and thought about it...it ALL fell apart. Yes, the action is great but it's hollow and sort of just there.Singer missed the point and he wrote off ALL fanboy complaints by saying the sequel will have "plenty of scary, sci-fi shit in it." AS THOUGH THAT'S ALL WE WANT!?!? No, Brian, it wasn't the lack of scary non-sci fi stuff, it was that the script was horribly lacking. Ah well. Smoke up, Jimmies!!!
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I just looked them up on IMDB. They also wrote "Legend of Zorro," another franchise killed by the addition of a child to the story to make it more family friendly. They'll fit right into this story-line.
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...turn fuckin' 6.
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...Fantastic Four's Dr. Doom was a very similar idea in terms of bizarreness (not a word, don't shoot me), and did not go over well. Given what everyone has engrained in their minds as Superman and his stories, I just think that a Doomsday character wouldn't go over well. Prove me wrong, Singer.
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SUPES DOESN'T FIGHT LEX FREAKING LUTHOR AND KRYPTONITE!!
Fer cryin' out loud!!
Why oh why haven't they don't Bizarro? He's got like 3 different origins so there will be less bitching about whether it was done "right" or not and he can whoop Superman's ass for 30 minutes and make me hapy!
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damn suits.
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ISLAMOPHOBES= CLOSET MUSLIMS
REPUBLICANS/ DEMOCRAPHOBES= CLOSET DEMOCRATS
HOMOSEXUAL HETEROPHOBES= CLOSET HETEROPHOBES
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It is the only movie in the last 10 years I walked out of. Not because I was offended or anything, I was just so bored and really didn't care what happened. I didn't mind Routh, just the story, the kid and Luthor being so fucking silly. Why can't he be this genius corporate mogol like TAS. Have him make some Kryptonite Brass knuckles and beat the shit out of Superman, instead of some pussy who tries to make these retarded land deals. Since they refuse to do Luthor any justice, just bring in Brainiac.
I agree the Ang Lee's Hulk gets a little too much shit. But so much of it is terrible. The poodles, his dad, and yes the comic panels were fucking stupid. The parts with the Hulk were actually kind of cool though. I dug him swinging the tank and jumping miles at a time. The Hulk should be a state of emergency, a natural disaster waiting to happen, so he really needs to be this CGI'd beast like in Hulk. Let's hope this next one doesn't have all the same shitty issues. -
I still think the airplane sequence is the best action scene in a 'comic book' movie ever put to film. Keep Singer on the franchise.
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HOMOSEXUAL HETEROPHOBES= CLOSET HETEROSEXUALS
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I personally think that reboots or reimaginings are lazy writing. The Hulk hit theaters just a few years ago and already they're rebooting it? I hope the next Superman movie picks up where SR left off. Ignoring these events just cheats the audience. Bryan Singer dug that hole, and it's the filmmakers' responsibility to dig their way out. What was the point of wasting our time with these movies if Hollywood keeps ignoring them in future sequels? I felt cheated watching Halloween H20 (ignoring the events of Halloween 6) and Casino Royale (pretending NONE of the previous Bond adventures had ever happened). I hope Superman doesn't follow in the same trend. I just wish Superman Returns didn't acknowledge Superman III or IV. But it did carry on the original saga surprisingly well.
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Jeff Goldblum as Superman!
Oh and Superman Returns was just ok. Not bad but not good either. Just kind of there. Routh looked the part but was just flat. Bosworth needs to not be in film period. She is not attractive what so ever. Maybe she should be the villan in the next movie so they can kill her off. I agree with others here who say enough with Lex and Kryptonite. That shit got old after the first two movies. Kryptonite is bad for Supes WE GET IT! But like I said Jeff Goldblum as Supes and Johnny Depp as Zod with Carrie-Ann Moss as Ursa and Janet Reno as that big motherfucker that rolls with them. Cinematic gold. -
FF, X-Men, Superman, etc, are all helmed by directors or producers unwilling to admit that much of the best parts of comic book lore, are otherworldly villians! YES to Brainiac, Bizzaro, Darkseid, Parasite, Hank Henshaw, etc. The scale of these films hardly ever matches the powers and abilities, like in X1, wow the X-Men traverse the Statue of Liberty, Big Woop, whereas they can wind up on a Shi'ar warship face to face with Cable or some shit. Even Superman Returns was so so slight in scale. Here comes Luthor with a dubious real estate plan that realistically didnt seem to threaten a single individual let alone Metropolis, let alone EARTH. There was no Earth shattering threat, hell, Supes and Luthor were only face to face for like a minute. Bosworth was good enough but had a lack of kick-ass material. The Lois of comics holds Clarks balls in her hands and is deeply driven and powerful, Bosworth was quiet, matronly, and waifish. The 'kid' plot was such a ballsy misfire too.
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The problem with doing these high-profile superhero films is that no one could ever possibly "get" such a long-standing character with so many derivations. At least not to satisfy every fanboy (using the term positively) out there.
Someone in this TB already said that Superman shouldn't be god-like. He should just be "faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a blah blah blah." Okay, fair enough. Somtimes in the comics, Superman can jump over tall buildings, and other times he can just fly to another galaxy. Sometimes he can stop a bullet with his hand, and sometimes he can move planets.
(And, um, sometimes he's made of blue lightning, or ... something ...)
With a vampire flick, or a movie about King Arthur, you don't get this kind of OUTRAAAAAAAGE!!! from the fans when King Arthur's crown is too big or too small, or he's not "valient" enough (or has a bastard child *cough*). Hey, who the hell cares, it's King Arthur!
But then there's this ONE Superman film, and we've all been like just DYING to see Superman on screen, haven't we? And if it's not TEH Superman ... well, then, the director just doesn't "get" Supes, does he?
B-b-b-b-but Supes doesn't have kids! And he never does anything wrong! And his muscles are bigger, or smaller. Ugh. I can understand that it's upsetting, since you figure there's "one" Superman (except in the Multiverse, but let's not talk about that right now), and you only get "one" movie franchise (unless you're Batman or the Hulk), so you want it to be perfect. You want the director to "get" Superman. I get it. It's a tough road to hoe for Singer. (And to think, we could have had Burton ... or McG ... or Ratner direct it. Sign, the possibilities. I bet they really "get" Superman.)
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when the director of 300 has put leather nipples on your costume?
Oh and for the benefit of "Boborci" I'm going to include the word SCORPONOK in my message as a shout-out to Beast Wars fans! Beam me up Scotty... -
Superman Returns was BORING!!!
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They suck!
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is the secret
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.... thats what I meant to say
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Nice attempt at nuancing your way out of that hole. But you failed. Generally and specifically.
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I can't believe that Singer is anywhere near this project. Seriously, aren't we all in agreement that the movie was at least as awful as The Hulk? I mean come on.
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To cut a long story short, the director of "Doomsday" is afraid of spoons.
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Thank you AICN for posting this article as this has been my personal favorite topic for discussion all the way back to the Abrams script leak. And every time I see Superman on screen it gets to me how the people responsible just don't GET who this guy is. Donner was close, and Reeves did a phenomenal job of portraying him. Unfortunately S1 launched the 'Lex as a vaudevillain' archetype. And the whole flying around the world to turn time backwards just... bugs me.
For those of you who enjoyed Singer's SR, that's fine. If it was SuperHeroMan, or MegaLiftingMan or some other superhero no one has ever heard of. But that's not who the movie was about. Singer's movie has put down in history that Superman has a child. THAT in and of itself was a terrible idea. Because now the sequels have to deal with the child and it becomes less about The Man of Steel and more about The Dad of Steel. I guarentee there will be a 'my dad can beat up your dad' riff in the new script. Dumb.
Smallville comes closer to getting who Superman (And Lex Luthor) is. Luthor can still be in the movie, but working behind the scenes. Pulling the strings. Intimidating everyone else with his vast wealth and power. While being responsible for the deaths of hundreds (maybe thousands of people) yet never getting his hands dirty. RDJ's Tony Stark comes closer to Lex Luthor in the opening of the Iron Man Trailers than LL has ever been portrayed on film to date. -
This time do it in the same time period that the comic book came out. Was that like the 30s or something? I think that would make it very interesting.
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boborci....how bout doing us all a favor and do something original....you know, in hopes to prove your worth before ruining any more established series?
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You know, Singer could have left IN "The American Way" to remind us of what is good about America, and what could be again.. to paraphrase James Earl Jones. Like it or not, Superman is an American creation, and reflects how we want to view ourselves. Everything about it is "American", and the character could have only been born from the mind of someone heavily influenced by our culture. Instead, Singer goes the pussy route and takes it out so as not to "offend" people overseas. And if it WAS a political statement, then they took the low road. They could have gone either way- reminding the world of our true value system, regardless of what you think of Bush, or they could of crapped all over it. They chose the latter. Bully for them. I'm not seeing a sequel.. not for that, but because it was a piece of shit movie that contradicted everything I know about Superman. Superman would NOT leave for 5 years or however the hell long it was, and he would not be stalking Lois Lane. That movie is just a nightmare from beginning to end.
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You left me hanging for months. You owe me. Now.
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I want to eat a bowl of cereal and milk. I have a fear of spoons. What do I eat with? By the way, "The Descent" is not a Get-Out-Of-Jail Card. YOU FEAR SPOONS!
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Oh my god. This cant be serious! I hope these two assholes get raped my marauding groups of velociraptors!
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NO MORE LEX LUTHOR AND REAL ESTATE PLOTS.
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It was an interesting look at the character of Superman, but you can tell Singer developed it as far as he could, we should get someone else's interpretation. But with these writers...I may pass.
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not only are the criticisms warranted I think the film gets let off to easy. Its an ugly, boring, depressing, badly acted, badly written over blown fan film. Ghastly on every level. Singers terrible decision to link directly to the reeve films doomed it form the start. it was a terrible idea. and the characters name is superman not blandman.that routh kid had ZERO charisma. he is just a blank sheet. he was meant to be superman for christ sake...and you go watch the film again...notice how he only speaks in short sentences..there are never any real moments where he talks for a long period of time....it is incredibly odd and the only reason I can imagine is because his performance must have been so bad that they cut around his "performance".I will believe a singer sequel when we see it. A reboot like the hulk I can see but not a sequel to that dreadful returns garbage. even spacey sucked.
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The Main Man would beat Superman`s sorry ass and rape Lois Lane`s ass with his hook!Then Lobo has a smoke and leaves!Shit.....I am a Supes fan,ah nevermind.ORCI SUCKS!
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He turns SR into complete garbage and now he's back to shit on Superman's legacy again.
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No Joke, if dude is here reading this stuff, and may well be the next Superman writer, he is undoubtedly getting some inspiration from our responses. Here is mine- Mr. Orci, Open up the scale please! Read the Doomsday/Reign Arc, not as an idea, but as inspiration, to show the VASTNESS of the Superman Universe. Also, the Worlds Finest specials from the 80's are great, darkly framed, and serious, nearly noir in tone. Understand that Luthor is PLAYED OUT, move on to a new, extraterrestrial villian, please. And realise that Superman's godlike powers can lead to infinite fun, new, and dynamic ideas and problems, moral and otherwise. This is a great property, study it completely before writing your script please!
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Instead of saying who Superman is, I should have said 'Who Superman COULD BE'. Morally strong above everything else. And yet powerful enough to kick the crap out of Cloverfield. Which IS an idea I really like.
And Luthor COULD BE the puppet master supreme. Instead of the same real estate lover.
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"Well, I guess that was a SCOOP for this website."
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Get rid of Bosworth. Get rid of the kid. Do an old fashioned adventure with Supes and Lois and get rid of Singer. The guy is too dark for Superman. Superman is a big bright Indy type adventure. It should have fun, wit and charm. And lots of great dialog and action.
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should not be allowed to wright anything anymore ever. anything. ever. not even his name. not even an "x". I don't even want him pissing in the snow for fear that it might accidentally spell a word and michael bay will make it into a movie.
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Transformers is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I saw it in the movies and didn't like it. I rented it to give it a 2nd chance and it was just terrible. Superman Returns was a snoozer and just a bad movie. Terrible story. Acting was good. Lois Lane was horrible mis-cast though. But what a terrible story. Just terrible. Ruined the entire franchise for me.
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...while I agree with much that you say, I have to take issue with you paraphrasing my comment out of context. If you read the last sentence in my post, you will notice that I mention that limitations benefit a character. Although I do prefer the golden age take on Superman, my comments were more about what would work better for a movie. And I am -- far and away -- a bigger movie fan than I am a comic fan. I also feel that James Bond movies would be better if they were still set in the early sixties. That's just where that character belongs. Some attempts at updating certain characters just come off as desperate attempts to keep these properties relevant. I will stand by this: Although there are -- as you point out -- many ways to interpret certain characters and still maintain the essence of that character -- I think that anyone who makes as joyless a movie as Superman Returns truly doesn't get Superman. That's right...doesn't get it! You can be creative up to a certain point, but you can also bury or overlook those core elements that make a character what he is. That's not creative interpretation; it's missing the point. I am ALWAYS open to clever and creative interpretation, but making Superman mopey and selfish just smells too much like trying to make him into some other kind of character that young people are going to more readily respond to. Making him godlike just caters to the modern obsession with more and more power, as well as bigger and better special effects. It's not about people having revolutionary ideas that serve to illuminate a character more vividly -- it's just about marketability in a world where everything has to be "dark" or "badass". Ultimately, I don't think there's a real audience for a bona fide Superman movie now. Ideas like selflessness and sacrifice are just laughed at today. I will give Bryan Singer credit for knowing that, but I think it should have led to the decision to either set the movie in a period where such sentiments have a context to work within that comes off more as nostalgia than preaching, or to just not make a Superman movie. I'd be fine with that, too.
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That movie bores the shit out of me on subsequent repeat viewings. It was too slow, too serious and very dumb. On the other hand, it had a great production design and the SFX that were in it were top-notch. Spacey was great as Luthor, but the teenage Lois, has got to go. (and abort the kid next time, too!) How exactly did Lois survive pregnancy with a super-fetus, btw? (Read "The Pro" for a hilarious lesson on super-ejaculate!) So, for next time, new lois, no kid, more action and a good story. (no Luthor real estate land-grabs, please!)
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Transformers was awful, but Star Trek is much better. At least the 50 pages of it I read. In fact it's fucking amazing. Wait and see, most will change their minds on Orci and Kurtzman, I know I did.
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Mar 11, 2008 2:50:31 PM CDT
NODE - I THINK WE DO NEED THE "AMERICAN WAY" FOR GOOD REASON
by bringingsexyback
Firstly, it is part of Siegel and Schuster canon. And being Jewish immigrants, they were proud to hail Superman as an American character, raised by adoptive American parents with ideals that not only exemplify our nation's best, yet incorporate a responsibility to respect and protect the human race at large.
I think Superman should return to those unabashed American roots, not only to demonstrate the core of our values, but to remind ourselves of them too. To have, once again, a hero for us and our children to look up to. As Americans, at America.
Politically speaking, our standing in the world, recently tarnished by the Bush Administration, should have no bearing on the highest ideals we may not necessarily embody by action, but should remain as ideals to pursue and identify with.
You hearing me Orci? Low five, on the slide?
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Only call those folks when you need something brainless. Granted they worked on Alias, but The Island and Transformers? I was already irritated that they took on Star Trek. Abrams has such a cadre of brilliant writers to choose from, why? MI3 was alright, but the plotting was one of it's biggest drawbacks. I listened to a podcast recently with Drew Goddard. He is more than willing to tackle a comicbook property. Give it to him and let Bay have Orci and Kurtzman
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It's good that Singer's back, though I'm less certain about the writing team. Hopefully we'll finally get that great Superman movie. A revamped approach sounds good.
Anyone else think the next Superman should be in the style of Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow? That's what's needed here, in either a WWII era or 1950s Metropolis. Either that or the Death of Superman: The Movie (w/ emphasis on the four Supermans). -
I like Singer a lot as a director and as a person. But I think his talents lie more in making clever, Hitchcock style thrillers. He just doesn't have the kinetic "joi de vivre" for special effects heavy movies...
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...if Singer doesn't come back... w-will that mean... MICHAEL BAY DIRECTING A SUPERMAN MOVIE?!!!???!!?? nnnnnnNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......
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...if Singer doesn't come back... w-will that mean... MICHAEL BAY DIRECTING A SUPERMAN MOVIE?!!!???!!?? nnnnnnNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......
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Just read your post about The American Way. As you can see I agree with ya. High five!
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http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=22165 - looks like Singer is in, with the intention of directing it.
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..and they did just a great job the first time....asswipes.
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"From the writers behind Transformers"??? That's the big plan to save the franchise? My God, can the decision making there get any more asinine?
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Obviously there's a lot of love for Superman round here. But amongst non-comic readers does Superman still capture people's imagination? I think since the first Batman film, Batman has outstripped him in popularity...
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a perfect return to the classic Chris Reeve film style with a little updating. I dont like the sound of these new writers.
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I still think Moriarty's review summed up SR better than anything else I've read (or written) so I won't add to that. The real question is how can Singer create an interesting, enjoyable film given the corner he painted himself into in the first one.
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Singer RUINED Superman. Aside from the music and some cool art-direction, the Donnerverse blows. End it. Hire a new director. Perhaps one without such a raging coke problem and/or irritating gay emo martyr complex. Get Alfonso Cuaron or Del Toro or the Cohen Bros. or fuck, even Spielberg on the phone. Any of these guys could easily make a brilliant Superman movie. Another Singer movie = the REAL Death of Superman. Don't kill him, please? Let a good director take a shot? Please?
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It's overdone.
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Mar 11, 2008 3:24:04 PM CDT
Superman Returns was TERRIBLE!!! WORST HERO MOVIE IN RECENT TIME
by monkeymanreturns
Singer is a good director but he just didn't GET Superman. He tried to make it into some OC, Dawsons Creek type crap and ruined it biiiig time! It was awful. The whole thing. Luthor, the kid, Lois, the whole 'create a country' thing - awful! And he just doesn't know how to cast female characters. Kate whats-her-face was an awful Lois Lane (just like Anna whats-her-face was a bad Rogue). I mean, the whole thing was terrible!! The next Superman should be so easy to write - I mean, how can you screw up such a character. How difficult can it be to get a script going? Hec, in my head right now I have the next two Superman movies written - and I'm a nobody!!! SUPERMAN RETURNS WAS AWFUL. DO NOT HIRE SINGER!
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And I can't be too down on anyone for loving a character and wanting to see them done right. That's the sort of inevitable pitfall I was talking about above. It's like Burton's "Chocolate Factory" movie ... it's not a story that gets churned out again and again and again in a normal movie cycle. So when it comes out, fans of the book want it done "RIGHT"! That's unavoidable, so I get why the film gets people worked up.
But I'm also saying that it's hard to nail down what's "core" to the character that has such a long history. The guy started as a Depression-Era "man of the people" who busted corrupt politicians and mob bosses. ... THAT would be a pretty cool film to see, done all period and whatever. Sadly, you'll probably never see that film.
I also think it's cool to see the character face some new issues, though, and fathering a child is a new issue. (Frankly, I think a lot of the "fans" here maybe need to grow up. Get over the "super-spunk" jokes and realize that, yeah, adults have sex and get pregnant. Geez.)
I didn't think the film was "joyless" at all! The scene of young Clark running through the fields was pure magic, and seeing him "fly" first by jumping long distances was a great nod to the history of the character's powers. And Jimmy Olsen was perfect. Spot-on perfect. And I love Clark's little ticks around Richard. Again, a perfect, subtle way to play Clark. And Lex ... come on. Joyless!?! Parker Posey is many things, but she's never, ever "joyless." That's just a difference of opinion between us. (Like that guy who thought the opening sequence was boring, or whatever, when it made my bones shake when I saw it on screen for the first time. You just CAN'T beat that "swoosh" effect, especially when coupled with that pitch-perfect opening theme song.) -
"[T]he Donnerverse blows ..." You are mad. Completely bat shit crazy. The original movie is a classic and has been a template for every comic book movie since.
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Look, Transformers was ok for what it was: big robots hitting each other. Although in retrospect it needed more of the big robots hitting each other. We want a little more from Superman.
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check the fanedited version of it a fanedit.org. A lot of the crap has been cut, instantly making it a better film.
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Can't you just imagine the inaworld teaser? with Supes working out deep in the bowls of a gubmint facility hooked up to sensors and stuff. Oh man I can't wait!
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Don't do the easy thing and make the Death of Superman...too soon...you need to make us care about him again - and quite frankly, Singer killed that for us. I've always thought that Superman as a character now, from the mid 80s onwards, has been boring. People aren't keen on him because he isn't interesting anymore. People don't buy the Oh I have glasses I am now kent, oh I have no glasses I am now Superman thing. That's why Lois and Clark worked - it was about Lois and Clark NOT Superman. That's also why Smallville has been so successful - its about Clark and others, not Superman. But, the movie SHOULD be about Superman. And it should be a COMIC book movie. Not some dark re-telling. Not some clever gimmicky thing. It should be a comic book on film. That's what the world wants to see. Superman reminds people - not the geeks - but real people (woooo) of their childhood...and that's what people want to see on the big screen: the Superman of their childhood. You can be clever with it. You can be inventive. But don't be a smart-arse cos' that's what Singer did and he blew it! Grrrrr...I now rest.
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do far more damage to superheroes than live action films do.
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I don't understand why you namedropped me in response to a trolling thread I created about a horror director's fictional phobia of oval-headed cutlery... More importantly, it's distracted me from a film I'm writing called "Orci and Kurtzman Try and Find Their Asses with a Map and a Compass". It's a three-hour epic with a very open ending. And I'm not just thinking of sequels here, it's just that the material demands an ambiguous finale.
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Yipee! That's gonna pack in the family audiences. Oh wait. It won't. Box office death here we come!
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Love your work, bro!
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God, why isn't their any decent writers to choose from anymore. Singer, replace Bosworth with Hathaway, and I'll give you a free pass, no matter how much M.O.S. might suck.
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http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=22165
"Empire Online reports that they spoke with Bryan Singer on his involvement with a Superman Returns sequel.
'The first one was a romantic film and a nostalgic film,' he says. 'I’ll be the first person to own up to that without making any apologies for it. I knew it was going to be that from the outset. And now that the characters are established, there’s really an opportunity to up the threat levels...Clearly there’ll be a body count [laughs]. From frame one, it will be unrelenting terror! All those teenage girls who found the movie and mooned over James Marsden or Brandon? Well, I’m going to wake them up!'
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It's been stagnating in shit for nearly four years.
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Mar 11, 2008 3:45:51 PM CDT
LET'S PLAY 6 DEGREES OF BOB ORCI ... WITH LIAM NEESON
by bringingsexyback
Okay I start.
Liam Neeson
Alexander Said (Kingdom of Heaven)
George Clooney (Syriana)
Don Cheadle (Ocean's 11 to 13)
Ben Affleck (I'm Fucking Ben Affleck video)
Jennifer Garner (Husband)
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Damn it! Damn it to hell!
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Doesn't affect the results though. Alexander Siddig should be in the next Superman movie. He needs a good role.
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how about making a movie written by ONE person? Writing teams concern me. And I say that knowing full well talkbackers will respond with great screenwriting teams...
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He sounds like a man back-pedalling to me...."I always wanted the first to be a romance movie, that was always the plan..."
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...Good move. The first film was a pile of shit, so lets revamp it by bringing back the guy who led the ship over the edge in the first place, but also bring in two of the worst writers in Hollywood to help him out. Seriously, call me a hater all you want, but this just spells doom and gloom.
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The Akiva Goldsmans of the 00s!
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And it's sequel will be just a terrible. It was an ugly, drab looking film. The suit was muddy colored. The acting was stiff. The bastard kid was offensive and retarded. The rip off of Spiderman with Lois dating the editor's hero son, was desperate. The depressed, permanently morose Superman was the most out-of-character that he has ever been portrayed. The buffoon comical Lex was a tremendous waste and betrayal of the character. The list of Singer's fuckups on this property is truly endless.
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I bet a lot of you have tourette's syndrome right?
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I know Warner Bros. doesn't have the balls to try something like that, but dammit not only is DJ perfect for the role characterwise, but a Superman of color...or Superboy of color pesents so many oppurtunities for a backstory, that keeps in the spirit of kryptolore, but puts a believable spin on why he would be so easily tempted to use his powers the wrong way. I should really write this shit, and put it up somewhere just prove the naysayers, people so afraid of change, or people that are flatout racist, that an ethnic Superman could work, and would move this kinda stale property into the twenty first century.
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Mar 11, 2008 3:55:41 PM CDT
BOB ORCI ... AKIRA KUROSAWA ... 2 DEGREES OF SEPARATION?!?!?!
by bringingsexyback
See for yourself!
Akira Kurosawa
Rebecca DeMornay (Runaway Train)
Tom Cruise (Boyfriend/Girlfriend)
Roberto Orci (MI:3)
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Jon Voight (Runaway Train)
Tom Cruise (Mission Impossible)
Roberto Orci (MI:3)
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Mar 11, 2008 3:56:44 PM CDT
I love the character of Superman more than anyone...
by cletus van damme
...but nix the romance, find a way to 86 the brat and let the most powerful and recognized figure in comic book history kick a little ass!
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Cuz Superman really does need a big fucking robot to spice shit up.
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Getting a larger than life villian like Darkseid or Doomsday is what the series really needs. It is time for Superman to have a worthy opponent that will remind audiences as to why he is referred to as The Man of Steel! Of course pulling it off sucessfully will fall in the hand of the writers and the effects artists!
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"I always wanted the first movie to suck so I could wallow in self-pity and, ergo, have an excuse to engage in more coke binges whilst plowing malaysian boy prostitutes. I have a problem, and I had a bit of a queeny star-fit after X2, which turned out so good that I thought I was infallible. Turns out, I was wrong, and I may have ruined one of the most iconic heroes of modern times. Sorry! My bad! Now, time for more coke and self-pity!"Thats what Singer meant to say.
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And how many has it been for Star Wars? Nine?
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IF YOU SMELL WHAT SUPERMAN IS COOKIN'!!!Then he can drop the People's Super-Elbow...
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Tourettes? We don't have you motherfuckercocksucker tourettes...why would you think bastardsonofwhoresingerfuckedsupermanroyally that we had tourettes...awfully presumptuous of suckacockandstickitinyouarseyoufucker you to think we have touretts and not too mention, rude of you as well.
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Written by Geoff Johns, directed by Alfonso Cuaron. DREAM PROJECT!
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Ouches!
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POLISH PRINCE OF PENIS!!!
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I have a problem with the viability of "Alien/Human" sex. (how exactly does an alien sperm impregnate a human woman again? Even the comics, as far as I know, never had a story where Superman impregnated Lois. It's preposterous. The exception: "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow", but even that was a powerless, post-Gold K Supes.) And the fact that a super-child is going to rip the hell out of said human female's uterus and kill her! Alien birth, indeed!
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up and realized the X Men was crap.
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...which is probably nothing. After watching Superman the Movie, Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut, and Superman Returns as a trilogy, I noticed that certain themes (like fathers and sons, impossible love, etc.) really stand out in all three movies. That being said, I was sick of "lifting things" and land schemes, and decided to write a four page treatment for the next movie, which I called "Superman: The Last Son of Krypton" Long story short, the main villains are Brainiac and the evil Kryptonians. While visiting a county fair with Lana (trying to forget Lois), Clark meets "The Amazing Brainiac", a circus mentalist named Milton Fine, who has been infected by a Coluan computer virus that piggy backed on Clark's ship when it flew back to Krypton. Brainiac reads Clark's mind, and then plots to destroy him. He finds Luthor and reboots his life (the faked death/son angle) as a powerful business man. Brainiac manipulates Lex so his robots can take over the world. Brainiac ultimately corners Superman in the Fortress of Solitude and sends him to the Phantom Zone. There he discovers the lost city of Kandor, its queen Lori Lemris (I made her a Kryptonian) and his cousin, Kara Zor-El. Superman falls in love with Lori. But he also encounters Zod, Ursa, and Non, who were sent there in the aftermath of Superman II. They have regained their powers and attack Kandor. Lori insists on assassinating them with Kryptonite they have found. Superman is reluctant, but when Lori is killed, the distraught Superman kills them in cold blood. The battle creates a vortex which sucks Superman and Kara back to Earth. Superman rescues Lex from Brainiac and ends his plan for world domination, but Brainiac escapes to plague Superman another day.
I then planned 4 more movies incorporating the death and return of Superman, Darkseid, and the formation of the Justice League.
I know this is superfanboyish and probably unfilmable, but I wanted some feedback. At least we aren't rehashing the Kryptonite continent or fighting polar bears with gay robots.
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SR and X3 were both fucked because of the switcheroo. Singer should have stayed on X3, and Ratner should have done SR...
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supermansequel.blogspot.com
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IT HAS TO BE.
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Also get ride of that actress who played Lois Lane. She was COMPLETELY wrong for the part. also diminish that characters involement in the plot. I think we all have had enough of Lois Lane.
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should handle a Superman sequel.
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That's all we need. The brilliant mind behind TRANSFORMERS to pen this one. Are you kidding me? Who's making the decisions over there? Pimpo the chimp? Did anyone read the script to TRANSFORMERS? We're talking a Michael Bay film here. There's no need for any amount of intelligence. Just things that go boom. The script wasn't the problem with SUPERMAN RETURNS. It was the casting (outside of Luthor); way too young. And, well, okay, there were a few plot holes. But overall the script was fine for what it was.
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Mar 11, 2008 4:10:52 PM CDT
Jesus Christ, NO ZOD. Can we please have a NEW supervillian for
by shermdawg
Move forward and quit trying to recapture the past.
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it wasn't nearly as good as could have been. Memo to whomever makes the next film: Stop rehasing the overrated Donner films, Should Lex be in the next one? Yes! Should he be the "big bad"? No! Bring in Toyman, Darkseid, or Doomsday (speaking of I just saw the cartoon movie and it was everything Spring's film was not so use it as a template - or better still bring in Timm/Dini)and avoid Zod.
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Yeah, I don't know what I can say about Supes Returns that hasn't been said before & would end up lookin like a bunch of stuff cut & pasted from a bunch of different talkbacks...but heck, here I go anyway...
SR had a mix of stuff that really worked for me, and stuff that really didn't.
So basically when i walked outta the theater seein it all together for the first time, I thought it was OK.
Not mind blowin, not terrible...just OK. I did buy it on dvd though, but it's not one I could pop in
the player & watch every day.
I'd also lay $ down that it would've beaten the crap outta the Nick Cage/Burton
version we almost got, so I guess I should be thankful for that too.
I had a big problem with the Super stalker scene...which some liked cause they argue that it humanized
the character instead of makin him a god-like figure. I can see that side, but still think that was really outta
character for Supes. I mean, if I had those powers (and I'm bein honest here) I don't think that I would spy
on an ex...even to make sure she was OK or whatever the reason you'd want to argue.
I also had a feeling when Lex was revealing his plan to Lois like, "Haven't I seen this somewhere before?".
It lifted key plot points from Donner's Supes the Movie, so there go the marks for originality.
As for the kid. I'm still on the fence about that one, and I guess it's time that I came down & chose a side.
I'm all for bold moves w/characters & exploring new territory w/em, but I think you might be painting yourself
in a corner w/that one. Remains to be seen though.
All that bein said...I'm also an artist that attends/sets up @ the Superman Celebration every June in Metropolis, IL. If you love Supes you oughta join us. This is the 30th anniv of the SC besides it bein Supes 70th birthday. Ned Beatty's also gonna be a guest this year. It's great fun w/the biggest Superman fans in the world in attendance. -
...then you always go and say something genius. Robert Zemeckis would be a FANTASTIC choice to helm a Superflick. (As long as it's live action.)
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"Who's making the decisions over there!?!" Oh, let's just imagine what might have happened in some Hollywood board room.
SUIT #1: "Guys, guys, Superman Returns was a total flop. It didn't break ANY box office records. Not one. It bombed. $400 million? Please. What do we do to save this utter fiasco?"
SUIT #2: "The kids like ACTION. The internets say it all the time. Action, action, action. They thought this movie was boring. Superman needs to punch more, lift less."
SUIT #1: "Action, huh? Who knows action. ... Bay! Bay knows action. Who worked on that last film of his. The one with the talking cars."
SUIT #3: "What, Knight Rider? That's in development fot TV."
SUIT #1: "No, no, no. The movie with the talking cars."
SUIT #4: "You mean Cars?"
SUIT #1: "No, you numbskulls! The live action movie. You're all out of touch with the youth of today. That's the problem with this studio."
[SUIT #1 beeps his secretary.]
SUIT #1: "Ms. Haversham, get me the guy who wrote the script for that Go-Bots movie. WE NEED ACTION!"
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Daniel Day-Lewis as Superman: "I've abandoned my Super-Boy! I've abandoned my Super-Boy! I've abandoned my super child!" Paul Dano as Jimmy Olsen: "You have abandoned your super child!" PTA to direct. Box Office Gold. Or should that be box office LIQUID gold (i.e. oil). Wasted, I tells ya...
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Make it so, Bobs!
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Its a waste of time doing most super hero movies in real life, keep it in Anime / Cartoon. I finally got to see Justice League: New Frontier and it kick the snot out of the last Spiderman, Superman, and Xmen movies. Given that most of the comic book adaptations involve a bunch of B-list actors and crappy CGI (Fantastic 4 anyone?) its not worth the time seeing it. Studios will not risk the amount of money needed for a superhero movie without getting their hands all over it. They have to in their minds broaden its appeal (dumb down) to get their money back. We've had a few good (Batman Begins, 2nd Spiderman) and a lot of crap (sorry Xmen didn't do it for me). NF had more heart than a ton of real life actors. So what if its a cartoon? I say give Bruce Timm 5% the budget of the next Superman movie and let him turn out direct to DVD shows for the next decade.
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C;mon, the guy swore an oath against Jor-El's bloodline. He got left for dead by Kal-El. That's gotta make a compelling plot, especially now that the bloodline is still growing.
supermansequel.blogspot.com
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AWESOME Orci.AWESOME Superman.BOOM!!!
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Would be perfect for the sequel. Plus, he perfected flying effects from his Back to the Future days.
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Can't you just imagine him saying "KNEEL!"? It would've been gold I tell ya.
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Kneel before my milkshake!
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Mar 11, 2008 4:33:44 PM CDT
KATE BOSWORTH NEEDS TO BE SENT INTO THE PHANTOM ZONE
by bringingsexyback
I've never seen such a lackluster and unmotivated performance ever. EVER!!!
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It only makes sense. Zod will pull in the crowd that wants a rehash, doomsday is for the people looking for something new. I can see them using Zod to tame doomsday to destroy superman, only to backfire on both zod and superman. just an idea.
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SR was mediocre (not horrible, in my opinion). Now, we're getting the "Transformers" guys to write the next one? Uh oh.....
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I will totally accept Superman Returns as a dream sequence.
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They would cost less money, and make a better film with both pathos AND action, rather than one long rambling self-pity piece and bizarre / creepy fixation on Donner's ludicrously overrated movies.
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Glad other people like Zod. He is the most interesting Superman villain IMO. I love Lex when done as a scheming philanthropist (metaphor for human greed), but Zod has a BLOOD OATH. Not even Batman has a character swearing a blood oath! That's hate, my friends.
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Jon Voight: "Be quiet! He. Is. STRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGE!"
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At least Routh will be four year older. Perhaps he'll look more SUPERMAN-ish.
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was the whole giant rock being lifted into space finale. other than that, the movie was good. And yes, I too would have preferred another villian other than Luther, but what Singer was doing was making a sequel to the original Superman. I'd like to see a villian we've never seen before onscreen, someone from the comics. A real foe that can kicks Superman's ass. I did like the look of the film, as well as the Metropolis Singer created. Singer payed his homage to Donner, so lets get going with a fresh original film.
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Shatner as Zod !!!!!
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the second one was a classic.
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Mar 11, 2008 4:47:32 PM CDT
branerobot the fact singer is gay has nothing to do with it
by slappy jones
you nitwit. if all his films were cast that way and filled with young pretty boys you might have a point but show me where he has cast a role in the manner you are suggesting before? he cast routh because routh could do a somewhat decent reeve impression. the fact he is gay has NOTHING to do with.he miscast someone...he is not the first director to miscast and he won;t be the last but the fact he likes cock had nothing to do with it.
and why is it so imortant to you that america is the greatest nation to ever exist? i really don;t patriotism. i am all for loving your country but this obsession some of my countrymen have with america being number one just makes me cringe. who gives a fuck....you were born in the usa. big deal...again I ask WHO GIVES A SHIT.I believe our country is a great country or can be but to say its the absolutely bestess in the whole entire world is just childish. Its overblown and ridiculous. are you that insecure you feel the need to make sure everyone thinks that we are the best. It is such an incredibly odd thing to think about if you ask me. thinking about wether or not your country is number one....as they say only in america -
In Singers turgid follow up to SUPERMAN RETURNS, Zod, Kal-El's olde drug buddy in the black leather fetish wear, comes back to Metropolis for some evil. Luckily Superman is there to save the day, but, whats this, ZOD IS FORCING SUPERMAN TO GO DOWN ON HIM!!! OMG!!! SOMEBODY PASS THE COKE!!! ITS A HARDCORE GAY S&M FILM!!! (Cue hardcore underground gay house music. ) OONST OONST OONST OONST "I'm coming out! I want the world to know, gotta make it show!" OONST OONST OONST OONST.
After the public swallowing, we see Clark in cut-off Daisy Duke jeans-shorts, unscuffed work boots, and flannel shirt, working as a contractor, policeman, fireman, naval officer, fetish cop, and finally, indian chief. -
..they didn't spend over 200 million on the thing.
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You can do it Orci!
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But it was still good. Can't say SR had any redeeming qualities, really. It was just a bad movie, and theres no way around that.
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Yup. 150 million for coke and malaysian boy prostitutes. 50 million to make the movie.
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They'd have the ship crashlanding in Vermont instead.
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Shatner as GOD!!! HE"S A GOD AMONGST MEN!!!
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Mar 11, 2008 4:53:43 PM CDT
boborci -- loved your new Star Trek draft
by the gospel according to bastardface
Considering I despised your Transformers script. Although I find the Top Gun Kirk a little on the retarded side. Oh well. It's got a great opening, the new ST script.
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Now Kansas is the very root of all evil -- ignorant, superstitious, hatemongering right wing christians voting against their own self-interest over and over again because they hate homosexuals and non-white people SO MUCH. Siegel and Schuster were totally liberal / progressives, and they would be shocked and horrified by what this country has become in the last few years.
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Everyone want to get rid of singer (X3), kill people off (X3), lots of mindless action (X3 again), hell, lets just get Ratner in and be done with it.
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Just to make peoples eyes bleed and vomit with rage.
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Some seriously shitty decisions coming out of Warners these days.
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Am I the only one who knows this is the ONLY way we'll EVER get a GREAT Superman film?!?!
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Final Voiceover: "And so, a golden statue was erected in memory of all super men. The statue was designed by a super man named Kevin Costner to celebrate super men. Kevin Costner thought it was only right to remember them. Especially the ones who looked like Kevin Costner...[continues]"
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Would be great.
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but Supes deserves better. Anyone else here wish Superman:Doomsday were a live action film instead of cartoon? Dark Superman was a great deal of fun to watch.
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It pains me to say it, but you know it's true.
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Mar 11, 2008 5:05:40 PM CDT
God, not Geoff Johns. He'd remake the Donner film AGAIN.
by flim springfield
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Superman really got shitty after the first one.
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was the shit.
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ending that reset everything. ZZZZZ
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Mar 11, 2008 5:15:44 PM CDT
Just seven words Any other villain but Lex Luthor...please.
by reel american hero
Superman has a detailed rogue's gallery to choose from, from Mongul to The Parasite. Why, oh why does Hollywood keep giving us Superman vs. Lex Luthor over, and over again. Even Superman II was still at least somewhat about Superman Vs. Lex. It's been nearly thirty years, give us something new, please. -
Are these two losers the only fanboys in Hollywood? How do they keep getting attached to these properties? Nothing they've written so far has been of any quality,nor has it pleased the fans. Why do they keep getting work? WHY GOD WHY???????????
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Transformers made buckets of money, therefore it must have been a good movie. And since Transformers was a good movie, therefore its screenwriters must be good writers. We shall hire them! I hated Transformers but I think even its defenders would admit the script was awful and the enjoyable aspects of the movie were provided by ILM.
I am currently reading Mamet's newest book about the movie industry. Film fans should really check it out. I think most people who post on AICN know the studio heads are not movie people. They are corporate people. They don't love movies, they love money. When you wonder how studios can seek out hacks like this to write Superman, you have to consider the source of the decision. -
Seriously, why weren't Paul Dini and Bruce Timm asked to do this? After untold movies and shows, they're the only ones who got it right. And enough of this lex Luthor real estate scheme gone wrong shit. Fire Spacey and get Clancy Brown, a man who can show real menace and give Supes a run for his money. Oh, and kill the fucking kid.
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Uh... http://youtube.com/watch?v=rZQQgvhn4jg
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There was enough criticism of SR that Singer et al wants to do something different; ditch the superkid angle, and give us Darkseid. These guys are good writers, but they can't give in to the temptation to completely take us out of the original storyline.
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He got more emotion out of the Sonny in I, Robot than Singer got out of Kate Bosworth. Slap me some skin Roberto!
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Thanks for that Hancock link. I didn't know nothing about this movie. Looks funny.
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If I was on the fence before, I'm not any longer. Count me out. SR bored the crap out of me and Transformers bored the crap out of my crap. You can sucker me in with the first movie of a franchise, but if you want me coming back you have to up the ante by all counts. I'm getting to the point where I don't even Netflix the crap that comes out of Hollywood, it's so bad.
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Sinking half of North America along with parts of western Europen and northern Africa, killing billions in the process and claiming control over the new land mass is NOT a "real estate scheme," people! Good lord ...
This didn't really sink in until I saw the movie again last night, but the plot here is pretty tight. Luthor had a truly evil plan in the works, and no one would have been in a position to stop him as long as he had control of the crystals. The guy didn't really understand their full power, but before he had a chance to find out, he sees that Superman has returned. So Luthor decides to take care of Supes first so that he can't get in the way ... by using the crystals the one way he understands. He makes an entire island of krytonite that evens the score. The god has been dethroned and brought back to Earth, where this nobody of a loser can kick the shit out of him.
Nobody else had a clue what was going on. Nobody cared about Lois's investigation into the power outage, and nobody would have understood that a new land mass was arising (let alone that it was because of Luthor) until they were all underwater.
The first crystal nearly destroyed Metropolis in short order. Without Superman, it would have been utter chaos around the world.
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No back story, no links to previous movies. Just get some new known guy to play him. The setting: Superman exists, he and Lois are quasi-dating, he's been around saving Metropolis for a while. No origin story is needed, leave it vague. Something epicly bad happens, Superman saves the day. Whether it's Lobo, Doomsday, Brainac, Darkseid, whatever. No Luthor, no flash backs. I'm a huge Luthor fan, but even I have come to terms with the fact that we will never see a good live action Lex. Just say 'Superman exists' screw continuity and tell a good story.
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in the fuckin's 30's or in modern day! WTF is up with Metropolis looking like a stupid amalgam of the 1930's and today?? Why was the whole city washed over in a tone of brown and grey?? Why the fuck did they take SUPERMAN to the hospital at the end????? WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT???!!!!
One of the really cool things about Donner's films to me as a kid AND now as an adult was that the backdrop of the movie had ACTUAL scenes of New York City and the stuff filmed in PineWood studios in England really looked like Times Square (Superman 2). Having actual city footage made it more believeable. We all know Metropolis is really NYC c'mon. Instead this asshole uses all these fuckin dumb brown washed out models of a city that looks fake!
Blue contacts??! WTF! That distracted me the ENTIRE movie! Whenever they had a close up on him I gagged! You mean to tell me they conducted a nationwide talent search and couldn't pick someone with blue eyes????
I saw the original in the movies as a 5 year old and will NEVER forget that experience! My 9 year old son watched Superman Returns recently and got bored and distracted about half way through. He said it was stupid and that "he" (Superman)looked fake. Too bad he didn't have the same experience seeing The Man of Steel on film for the first time as I did.
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Sit around Hollywood and say to other screenwriters: "Uh, are you gonna write that? 'Cause I will if you don't wanna..."
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if Supes takes a piss on someone, I'm hunting down Orci and recreating SAW.
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Gotham City is New York. ... and, um, we ALLLLLLL know that. Metropolis is more like Chicago, or something. (I'm half-kidding here, but you seemed pretty certain of that Metropolis = NYC thing, and I had to set you straight.)
What did your kid think of Batman & Robin? Maybe Superman Returns needed to be more toy-rific. -
while snorting coke off of hairy assholes
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Look after superman returns I said they're won't be another solo superman movie for twenty years.
I still stand by that.
If this movie does get up.
1. No Luthor.
2. Some action please
3. Some true heroics.
4. No homage to previos films.
5 A decent villain.
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That may be true. But it's better than Superman Returns. I tried to watch that film again the other day and I was astounded at how bored I was.
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Holy shitters.
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but I swear to God...
by br1947 Mar 11th, 2008
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if Supes takes a piss on someone, I'm hunting down Orci and recreating SAW.
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You're a funny guy Bobs.
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Mar 11, 2008 6:04:18 PM CDT
I THINK YOU AND MICHAEL BAY SHOULD MAKE A SHAZAM MOVIE
by bringingsexyback
Seriously that would be awesome.
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And I don't think the original Supes was toyrific. I think it was a great balance of fantasy and realism. These guy's in the industry think kids are dumb but they know S-H-I-T when they see it. Lol. I would love to know how many copies of the original Superman film is sold on dvd worldwide every year, in comparison to Superman Returns.
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Superman Returns was a movie made by kids, starring kids, for kids.
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"Superman Returns" sucked way too much on so many levels. Singer rehashed old plots, a good actress, yes, but Bosworth was the WORST casting mistake ever made in the history of film (I'm not saying she sucks, but she just didn't even come close to kissing Margot Kidder's ass -- hell, she didn't come close to kissing Teri Hatcher's ass), Routh was given nothing to work with to even have a chance at getting out of Reeve's shadow, and Spacey wasn't even trying (sadly, neither was Parker Posey)!
In all honesty, I'm still pissed that WB passed on Kevin Smith's script for "Superman Returns"!!!
So to make up for it, let Kevin Smith write and direct the next film!!! He would give us a much better Braniac, Bizzaro, Doomsday, and Darkseid than anyone else currently involved!!! -
goes to "Your generalizing homephobes [sic],"
by Mysterious Yobo
Mar 11th, 2008
01:57:45 PM
"in the end (no pun intended) isnt that being just as bad as them? (rhetorical) When you generalize you tell 'general lies'. Who says Singer's Dirty Faggot Brigade is a homophobic statement? it wasnt referring to all gay people generally. Just these individuals. Just because you choose to interpret the comment in a certain way, doesn't make me homophobic. And i like how you make the assumption that im in the closet bitch. So you are the generalizing cunt around here."WELL DONE, YOBO! LMAO!
SERIOUSLY, I love you fucking homophobes. And by "love" I mean "want to FUCK." SERIOUSLY, though. Look up the study--"University of Georgia." Yep. If you're homophobic you have an 26% chance of being moderately turned on by gay male porn and a whopping 54% chance of being DEFINITELY turned on by gay male porn. That's an 80% chance of some kind of arousal from watching two guys fuck each other. Chew on THAT, gay bashers. I other words, before making fun of the dick in some other guy's mouth, take the dildo out of your OWN ass! LOL!By the way, Troy is pretty great. -
Uh, have you seen that guy's resume lately?
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The only way a studio is ever going to give enough money for a film like this to be made the right way is if it has a director and writers attached who have previously made other multi-million dollar grossing franchise films, otherwise it's back to development hell. The best thing to do is hope that Singer and co. will listen to fans criticisms and make the bigger, more action packed Superman film we all want.
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Writers are being pursued. I'm not one of them :(
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The original outsells Returns on DVD, but on Blu-Ray they're even. Kind of interesting.
I didn't mean to say kids only like "toyrific" movies. But I don't think kids "know S-H-I-T when they see it." No offense. Maybe your kid would be all over Citizen Kane. He might thrill over The Godfather and go nuts when he sees Amadeus. (I'm assuming, of course, as well all do here, that what I think are good movies are TEH BEST MOVIES out there and we all know that, 'nuff said, shut up.)
What I mean to say is that the movie wasn't directed at kids. Clearly! Neither was Hulk. And applying these "well, my kid was bored" standards makes NO sense. I bet he'd be bored as shit sitting through L.A. Confidential. Oh no. It's clearly a worse film than Cars. Kids LOVE that film. -
"No nation in history has been as benevolent and as giving as America." Um...The UK, Australia, France to name a few...America's refusal to sign Kyoto is hardly 'giving'... "No nation in history has ever accepted as equals foreigners from all nations." Um...the UK perhaps?...which has more 'foreigners' as you call them (considering that all Americans are essentially foreigners seeing that IT WASN'T THEIR COUNTRY UNTIL COLUMBUS!) than any other in the world..."No nation in history has provided as much opportunity."...Again, UK, Germany, Holland, France to name a few...its that kind of uneducated bigoted and self-congratulating bull that cements the world's hatred of right wing America...no-one says don't be proud of your country, what they do say is, admit when there are things wrong with it...humility is the word...you should learn something from it.
What this has to to do with Superman - I don't know...
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I think that is the gayest thing I've ever heard.
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ttp://tinyurl.com/284v82 Sorry for the shilling but technically it is news.
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I appreciate that. USA!!!!
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When he unveils that map on the boat to Lois ... half of the US is under water. A real estate scheme is something that might get a politician into trouble. It's something that unscrupulous developers engage in. Not something that kills "billions!"
I'm not saying you don't have to read between the lines in SR. (Supes goes looking for "home," only to come back and find that his only sliver of home - the crystals - was stolen by a petty crook ... and then he actually launches that piece of home - albeit, a piece that's corrupted and poisonous to him - into space to keep his new home from being destroyed. He had his father taken from him by Luthor, only to find out he's a father himself. There's some heavy shit going on there, and I didn't make up anything.) -
Writer and script editor for beast Wars I believe. And consult transfans who know the source more than you ever will, because your optimus prime, your whole concept for new bayformers basically boils down to "my bad." DON'T FUCKING DENY IT. YES transformes made a shit ton of money but it was not because of your writing. ILM deserves all the credit. Should have stayed on strike if you ask me...
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I think you TOTALLY misunderstood the point I was trying to make. When Superman came out it was loved by both kids AND adults. Today it is STILL loved by BOTH kids AND adults.
Wolf I think you really are reading to much into these posts, please don't inject what you "think" the person is trying to say in their post and just read it. At least with mine. To say he might "thrill over Amadeus" because he liked Superman 1978 and hated Superman Returns makes absolutely no sense to me. Were you joking?
Maybe as a kid YOU didn't know S-H-I-T when you saw it. Alot of kids do. And also to think that studios make movies like Hulk and Superman Returns AND ARE NOT TRYING TO get the kid audience as well as adult is laughable. Ahhhh...don't the studios make more when an ADULT drags their KID to see the movie too? So it HAS to be at least semi-geared towards kids. Ahh....and maybe in some grand scheme to make a little money they stock store shelves with toys, pillowcases, birthday party pinatas, toothbrushes, sneakers, pajamas etc directly TIED-IN to the movie for adults since these films aren't geared towards kids too? So adults are squeezing into size 3 pajamas with the footies attached with the Superman Returns graphics across them I guess?? -
The sets are built. Singer's team is assembled. Actors are signed. Reboot too costly.
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Really don't want to be draw in this debate. But here I am. Let's keep it civil. Let's say society says sleeping with women is a no no. My only point is that as a straight man, you could choose to have sex with men. But it would be a choice. A lifestyle choice. Because doing that would be going against who you are. If you decided to go along with society and have sex with men, you would have to repress your straightness, so to speak. You would be choosing acceptance over...I don't know...biology.
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as long as he's fighting Lobo at the time
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Kryptonian vs Kryptonian!
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Mar 11, 2008 6:45:12 PM CDT
casting Bosworth, Routh and Spacey was horrible. Just start over
by the ghost of marcus brody
Batman Begins that son of a bitch.
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I didn't read the study. [backs away slowly to the door]
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It's interesting, I guess. I'm not sure what conclusions can be drawn. I don't think most men are repressed homosexuals. But I can say that I have known a few people who are intensely homophobic because they had repressed homosexual desires. I await further research.
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Maybe we're both having trouble reading posts today. (I know I'm dead tired for one ... gotta stop staying up all night reading talkbacks. What's your excuse?)
Anyways, here we go. I'm not saying that since your kid liked 1978 Superman, ergo he'd like Amadeus. I'm saying that a kid's tastes are all fine and good, but irrelevant when the movie isn't targeted at kids. (See, my point was it'd be really weird if your kid liked movies aimed at adults, unless he's a very sophisticated kid who could also appreciate snooze-fests like Amadeus.)
And no. The did not aim Hulk or Superman Returns at kids. Maybe the studio bigwigs WANTED films they could market to kids ... like Batman & Robin ... but that didn't happen. (Look, even the new Justice League cartoons aren't aimed at kids, and those are CARTOONS! Comic books and their characters have come of age, and the core audience is now 18-38 ... not 8-18 as it would have been in the past. Yes, I just pulled those numbers out of my ass, but it should be pretty clear at this point that "graphic novels" and their adaptations have grown up since the days of the Superfriends and Batman The Series.)
The toy lines ARE aimed at kids, the movies aren't. The movies are aimed at young adults. Just look at the first Hulk trailer. The one where Bana was staring at the mirror before he went nuts. I'd say that would be frightening if I were a kid. It was not kid-friendly, and neither was the film itself. Yes, the film will BORE kids, and the father/son dynamic will go over their heads. Same goes for the SR teaser, but for different reasons. I mean, come on! It was built off of the nostalgia of people born BEFORE 1978 who'd remember the Donnor films.
The reason for this is clear - most people don't bring their kids to the movies. Most movie-goers don't have kids. Most parents get dragged to the cinema BY their kids. That's how kids films make money. Kids don't have their own money, so they drag their parents. If the film appeals to adults, then you don't need kids dragging their parents. Young people with their own money will go ... because adults like going to movies made for adults. And adults have money.
When a movie appeals to adults and kids, well, that's gravy. But it doesn't happen all that much, because it doesn't have to. Batman Begins did just fine, and it's not aimed at kids. (Yet, I'm sure that Batman pillowcases, birthday party pinatas, toothbrushes, sneakers, pajamas still sell off the shelves ... strange ...)
If you can't accept the idea of a movie aimed at adults with tie-in toys made for kids ... well, then I don't know what to say. You just don't get it. But that's what's happening. Studios are double-dipping, having learned the mistake of Batman & Robin, i.e. you can make an adult, sophisticated film without making it toyrific. The Superman toys will sell themselves. And the merchandising will carry the day if the film tanks (as happened in Hulk, which still turned a profit thanks in large part to toy sales).
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He is producing this film. So he could decide to let someone else step in the director's chair under his guidance or he could take his money, his actors, his team, his bad hat and leave. Both are not very likely.
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The University of Bestiality did multiple studies on that. You can find their results in any peer-reviewed scientific journal circa November 1996
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I have no idea what went on in their heads. But you hold up SR to other "super hero" films of the past few years, and it looks more and more like Shakespeare to me. (And I'll say it again ... I was just recounting the plot. The plot has a lot going on in a relatively short time frame, without going deep into Hulk-Freud territory.)
Can't keep this up forever - it's not the first time I've gone to bat for this film. I just like it. It made enough money to be more than profitable. It has a lot of fans out there. And I can't wait for the sequel.
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What blows me away about all this hatred for Orci/Kurtzman is the fact that these guys aren't writing on their own. It's not like they have absolute control. People tell them what to write and they write it. Not to say that if you didn't like their stuff it wasn't their fault, I'm sure some of it is. But look at the military aspect of Transformers. That was all Bay. Personally, I loved MI3, loved Alias, and loved Transformers, all for different reasons. I think these guys absolutely have the capabilities to turn out an excellent script. But it's all about what take the higher ups are looking for. It's like blaming Akiva Goldsman for Batman and Robin. If you watch Schumaker's commentary for that movie you'll see that the marketing behind that movie took over. So, Goldsman had a job to do, and he did it. Placing blame on the screenwriter in that case isn't COMPLETELY fair. I'll wait to see what comes of this situation before I pass judgment.
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anchorite saying, "I ♥ Bringing Sexy Back..." is truly a sign of the Apocalypse.
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The issue of Singer's homosexuality came out. One thing led to another...you know how it goes.
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because I would LOVE to know where your facts come from and if you have no reasonable data to back up things like
"most people don't bring their kids to the movies. Most movie-goers don't have kids"...really? Wow what is the source of this information?
"If you can't accept the idea of a movie aimed at adults with tie-in toys made for kids ... well, then I don't know what to say. You just don't get it."
Ahh..so why are their no Amadeus or Citizen Kanes toys Wolf? Those are movies aimed at adults.
"The Superman toys will sell themselves. And the merchandising will carry the day if the film tanks (as happened in Hulk, which still turned a profit thanks in large part to toy sales)."
Where did you get this information from? From what I recall reading in ToyFare magazine The Hulk AND Superman Returns merchandise REALLY undersold what they wanted at the retail outlets which is why all those Hulk and SR toys hit the bargain bins REALLY quick in toy stores.
We all know that A TON of cartoons today are made strictly for adults. So please don't confuse the topic. This is about the HULK film and Superman films.
If you want me to accept what YOU say just because YOU are saying it..lol..then no Wolf I accept it. If you have some sort of proof to back up the outrageous statemenst you just made I would be more than happy to read the links.
And if you truly think that these movies INCLUDING Batman Begins aren't ALSO geared towards kids then you must have watched them on dvd alone in your living room because I saw them all in the theatre and remember QUITE A FEW KIDS being there as well.
Today's kids are more sophisticated than the kids of the 70's the same way the kids of the 70's were more sophisticated than the kids of the 60's and 50's and the studios KNOW that. And for a kid of the 00's to love the 70's version of this movie over today says ALOT. It says that it was a poorly made film that will not stand the test of time like Donner's films did. And I say that not just because MY KID preferred it but because of the ACROSS THE BOARD ACCEPTANCE of them as more enjoyable for kids and adults. FOR BOTH DEMOGRAPHICS.
These movies (Hulk, Superman Returns, even Batman Begins)are rated PG-13 for a reason Wolf. C'mon dude this topic is not as complicated as you are attempting to make it.
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seems like many people in here have a problem with that.
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Shocked, that so many people think Smallville is somehow a respectable telling of the Superman mythos - while at the same time you're bashing Superman Returns for being so off-base! Smallville took the great things about Superman and absolutely hacked them to shit. Meteor mutants? Lois at Smallville High? Luthor's Dad? Middle-aged, political Kent Parents? Interning at the Daily Planet? The Justice League jerk-off? I mean...come on. Smallville is no Superman - it just pretends to be. Even with its many flaws, and I'm the first to admit there were many, Superman Returns is a much better representation of the character than Smallville can ever hope to be.
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Is there ANYTHING they're not desperate to fuck up?
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after the subtle focusing on the big meaty red bulge between those blue tights of his. Or the undertones in his movies of different people shunned by society or the S&M costumes of Xmen folks?? HUH??
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Mar 11, 2008 7:40:23 PM CDT
what made WB choose him for superman anyway? f-ing weird
by the_one_man_gang
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"Superman movie need Brainiac to direct! Not No-Brainiac Singer! Foo! Notary Sojac! Heil, Gumby!"
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I thought he just made some gay movies?
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I see little point in re-booting this yet again.
It get a little sad when the only way you can hurt this guy is with kryptonite that his enemies always manage to find. How hard is it to sweep the planet with his x-ray vision and blow the crap out of any kryptonite he finds with his heat vision from orbit?
Anyway, there is very little excitement to be gained from watching a guy who you know can't be hurt, and that's why I enjoyed Superman II, it's the only movie they made where he was in actual mortal danger, but it sort of lost me when he seemed to manifest a billion other powers, and the plastic symbol thingy he tossed off his chest, wtf? -
although I am loathe to add to/contradict what is surely an assertion of yours based on either inside knowledge or telepathic abilities, it could well be that another reason that they dropped the "American way" bit was because they didn't want to invite a whole bunch of tittering/snide remarks by the jaded/politically aware/snarky in the audience about how Superman is in favor of stuff like deficit spending to pay for dubious preemptive wars. I'll admit, the move was clumsy, but I don't think that it was because hollywood is some cabal of communist sleeper agents.
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I mean, people of Earth can build immunities to things. Why not Supes?
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Like, now, goddammit.
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No hard feelings, Anchorite. For the record, I'm actually happily straight as an arrow but I like gay folks as people (and friends) just as well as I like straight folks (i.e., some are cool and some are assholes). Take a gander at the study I cited--seriously. Unfortunately, hatred of gay folks IS common and many of those that are pathologically hateful towards gay folk ARE dealing with repressed homosexual feelings. Ever hear of the expression "on the down low?" It's reality. I grew up in white trash central, and--yeah--the guys that were going on the most about how they wanted to kill "faggots" were usually sneaking around and getting some on the side. Us easygoing straight folk could care less where other folks stick there specials.Oh, and for the record the "By the way, Troy is pretty great" is a new TB catchphrase "penned" by one Proman1984 on the recent Dark Knight TB. And, I agree. Troy is shit. But by the way, Troy IS pretty great.
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They castrated Singer on the original X-Men film, he got so many notes it looked like high school study hall. Although I will say it was his decision, like nipples on the freakin' batsuit, to cast Halle Berry as Storm. Honestly, Who really liked that anyway? Granted no better choices were out there. But Halle Berry? that's like casting Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane... oh... wait...
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Same reason we can't build an immunity to radiation. But if you want to play in a sandbox full of plutonium I wish you luck as you attempt to build your immunity.
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Every time those cockwads make money by scribbling crayons on daddy's typing paper, a kitten gets diabetes. Orci and Kurtzman are the worst kind of hacks: Highly successful.
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No studio people in their right minds give a flying fuck what any of us say. Nor will they hire us.
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Boborci In Name Only, you fool no-one! Oh well, it's been fun, especially the Neil Marshall/spoon phobia thing. Aw shucks, I had a blast doin' that... *BLUSHES*
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Drumroll please... NEIL MARSHALL FEARS SPOONS. Thanks guys, it's been grand.
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No one's gotten Superman right since Donner. Period. While I respect Brian Singer, I don't think he got it done very well because it was too derivative of Donner's work but he didn't have the script or actors to back it up. I liked Routh but the action pieces other than the plane weren't really cool, and the script didn't do much for me because it never really felt like Superman was in danger. Not only that, and no disrespect meant, but Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane wasn't great, and the entire damned sub-plot with Lois Lane and SuperKid just threw a huge-ass wrench in the works. I went to see Superman Returns in the theatres with my 72 year-old parents, EAGERLY. And I took my 10 year-old son with me, anxious to expose him to the sense of wonderment I felt when I first watched Star Wars, or Raiders of the Lost Ark, or Superman I. When I left, he just looked at me and said "Eh, it was all right." The script just wasn't there and the acting just wasn't there. I'd keep Routh, and for God's sake keep Frank Langella (that magnificent bastard), but throw away Kevin Spacey and Kate Bosworth. Gene Hackman set the standard because he had range more than just "Kevin Spacey the Se7en psycho guy." Kate Bosworth was pretty but she didn't DO anything with that role. I can't entirely blame them either because the script was just weak. Superman has huge boots to fill and I respect Singer for trying, but you can't make those kinds of mistakes if you're directing Superman. There's just no excuse. That said, I'll be first in line for the sequel, but my good will has run out.
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That's a first!
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X2 came out in 2003. Did it take you 5 years to learn that some of the cast and the director were gay? I guess what they say about homophobes being a little slow on the uptake is true.
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That's a damn shame. The character and fans deserve better than to become a thin homosexual polemic.
I guarantee you that MOS reveals Lois' husband is gay. The hero of the first movie, the perfect dad and boyfriend that Singer suckered homophobic America into admiring, is ::gasp:: GAY! But also oppressed, because the venerable classic Perry White is a homophobe! His son it too afraid to come out to him, thus the 5 year engagement farce. There will be a big scene in MOS where Perry White breaks down in tears when his son finally comes out in a big stirring gay rights speech. Perry, as stand-in for the American people, repents his homophobic ways and embraces his son. Lois and Supes become a family unit, with Richard playing part time dad to the kid. This After School Special message movie was Singer's big plan and why so many gay rumors swirled around SR, that didn't around the X-Men films. "Superman is revealed as gay? SR is Singer's political Trojan Horse?", "No, wait, the Superman actor is revealed as gay?", "What? Oh, the hero of Superman is revealed as gay?" The rumors just scrambled the reveal up slightly. This was Singer's original plan. If he can browbeat new writers into this idiocy remains to be seen.
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Finally some news on Superman!! First of all... Singer will not allow these writers to fuck it up. I believe with his love for Superman he will keep them in check. I believe in Bryan Singer... I loved Superman Returns. Not as much as Donner's Superman: The Movie. But Bryan didn't ruin it for me. I can watch Superman: The Movie and Superman Returns back to back and not miss ANY of the other sequels. I just thank God that Justice League didn't shelve The Man Of Steal!! We should all be celebrating and drinking together as brothers while singing the praises of this news!! Anyone with any real taste will tell you that making a truly great superhereo movie is EXTREMELY rare. The best are Superman: The Movie, Superman II, Superman Returns, The Spiderman Trilogy, Batman, and Batman Begins... Thats is it! Those are the best! The standards by which the rest shall be judged! The number one best superhero movie of ALL TIME is still.... for the past 30 years.... the reigning champ.... Superman: The Movie! You know it in your heart.
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Troy is pretty great.
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Mar 11, 2008 9:33:04 PM CDT
BOB ORCI: JUST MAKE SURE SUPERMAN EATS A HAM SANDWICH
by bringingsexyback
Yours is not to ask why. It's canon.
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He cares... He cares about these people. Like....Pets??? I suppose so.
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Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 2. How excited are we? Huh? I think this one needs a talkback...
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I think too many films on this site are unjustly criticized, but Superman Returns was just a bad film.
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A clone of Superman, created to destroy Superman. An equal to match Superman, without the moral constraints. Brandon Routh can play both roles.
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Its the fact that he made Superman into this self-pitying emo martyr for some f*cking reason; clearly projecting himself onto Supes as Superjeebus the Man of Stalker. And, also, the metrosexual thing. Superman should be an imposing masculine figure, not look like a metrosexual Abercrombe and Fitch boy toy model. Not because being gay or metro-y (aka "bisexual) is bad, but because its totally wrong for the character. Singer should've stuck with XMen and rounded out the series with class. As it stands, he threw his little queeny starfit and wound up ruining not just one superhero franchises, but two -- one because of his absence, the other because of his presence.
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Singer knows that there was some negative reaction to the fact that the first film focused more on story at the expense of action and is looking to redress that next time.
“The first one was a romantic film and a nostalgic film,” he says. “I’ll be the first person to own up to that without making any apologies for it. I knew it was going to be that from the outset. And now that the characters are established, there’s really an opportunity to up the threat levels...Clearly there’ll be a body count [laughs]. From frame one, it will be unrelenting terror! All those teenage girls who found the movie and mooned over James Marsden or Brandon? Well, I’m going to wake them up!” He may be joking about the unrelenting terror. -
oops!
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http://tinyurl.com/2vw859 Maybe?
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TO GEICKO!!
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Mar 11, 2008 9:57:54 PM CDT
LaserPants, blame Rothman and Berry for Singer leaving X-men.
by shermdawg
It wasn't a "queeny starfit".
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Haha, I just wanted to write something stupid.
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Here's my 2 cents. Why would a studio throw another 200 million dollars down on a film that they have no true direction for? They have an idea of what they want for a premise ( superman kicking ass, being funny, romance) but the truth is there isn't a script in tow that has any of what we all want. So what do you do? You hire some overpaid person to write an Indian Jones type story with the comic intertwined and voila- you got your script..right? Maybe- but the enormous, I mean Ginormous problem here is that huge egg that Singer just laid in Superman Returns. Buy "rebooting" this franchise he really set it back because of selfish things he put in like that KID...How on earth can a new director take over with this scenario? This is a terrible problem to be in- now the studio HAS to bring in Singer cause its his mistake and he has to fix it. The other issue is if the studio does decide to scrap singer and his whole new reboot and the decide to rereboot- they have to wait at least 10 more years otherwise this would be admittting to a huge mistake. The hulk reboot is one thing, (there was never a succesful film series in its past, no hordes of young kids admiring to be him ) its easy to reboot that. This is near impossible. So what does the studio do? Easy- why invest 200 million on a huge gamble liek the new superman, when they can make 4 easy rom coms for 50 million each and bring home truckloads of profit..ts a shame, but its true. And its all cause Singer through a wrench in the story. Superman returns again- coming soon in 2016
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...unless it's released within the first month or so. According to my source, the end of the world will be on February 14th, in the year two thousand and sixteen.
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That's my suggestion.
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Now that would be pretty great.
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I'd totally see that.
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and gets so pissed at Cchhrriissmm that he finds and incinerates him with heat vision.
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too cute!!!
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Nice. Niiiiiice. By the way, Troy is pretty great indeed.
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Beyond any sexual orientation, Routh/Singer's Supes was a little androgynous for my taste. I mean, it's the wrong feel for the character. Not that Supes has to be a stereotypically "manly," but this Supes seems just kind of passive and wishy-washy to me. This doesn't have ANYthing to do with sexual orientation. God knows there are plenty of gay guys out there as masculine as the most masculine straight guy. Routh/Singer's Supes is just a dishrag--whether straight or gay...
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Maybe one written by Paul Dini,or Grant Morrison,or hey heres a thought-Tom Mankiewicz is still alive...why not hire him to write the script?
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Imagine a Superman movie inspired by Sky Captain and the world of tomorrow. A 1930's/Fritz Lang/Fleischer Bros. style Metropolis. Superman is all bright and sunny and golly gee-whiz. Throw in Supergril and the super pets(Krypto ROCKS). Have Supes face off against evil mad scientist lab coat wearing Luthor and an alien Brainiac who shrinks cities and puts them in bottles. Thats some good stuff my friends. We've already seen the best modern day take on Superman that there'll ever be-a retro Superman movie is where its at!
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Any one know what movie this line is from, on kevin and bean morning show they brought it up and people have been trying to figure it out all day, I personally thought it was from mallrats but on AicN there should be plenty of people who know where its from.
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a Grant Morrison penned Superman movie.
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surviving Kryptoninans. He has to bring them to Earth, and the Earth people are scared of them, but it all works out.
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Warner dropped the ball in their own arragance. Smallive has a better clark kent/superman, a much better lois, and a much better Lex. No campy, crap, no peter pan costume design by singer, just hardnosed, good stuff. That being said, I get my superman fix on tv. It seems that the movie franchise will never measure up!
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...that would be a huge mistake. And wouldn't do much to move the property forward. Superman should be a fantasy character in a realistic world, while Batman should be a realistic character in a fantasy world. Warner Bros. are assbackwards with their adaptations.
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I never much cared for it. I know a lot of super-fans who dont. However,it makes NO SENSE that they didnt spin it off into its own film franchise ala Star Trek. They've spent years establishing the actors and the storylines on Smallville,only to reboot Superman with the Bryan Singer movie. And the new JLA movie that also wont star Tom Welling. And since SMALLVILLE got picked up for another season,this means that we'll have 3 different actors playing Superman at the same time...weird.
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Drew Goddard could write it
by zooch Mar 11th, 2008
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That's my suggestion.
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So let's give the fucker another shot to waste 200 million dollars. This explains how so much putrid shit drips out of Hollywood these days.
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Because this franchise has already shot itself in the foot via Superkid. We're fucked either way, people. If they ignore the kid, we'll get more action, but he'll still be the 800-lb gorilla in the room. It'll be strange if they go through an entire film without Superman acknowledging him in SOME way. However, if they do keep him in the same capacity, or(God forbid) pump up his role, we'll have more of the same dreary melodrama that cluttered up Returns. And if Richard STILL isn't aware that the kid isn't his in the next one, it'll be kinda hard to root for Lois(not that I rooted for Bosworth in Returns, anyway). She's a conniving, lying brat. Now, I didn't spew venom at Returns like some folks, but there was a palpable lack of action or excitement, save for the airplane sequence which prematurely blew the film's load. If I want to watch a guy lift shit for two hours, I can go to Gold's Gym. I came to Superman Returns to have a fun time, and I got saddled with some monotone creep stalking his ex. I'd like to have hope for the sequel, but I think they've put themselves in a deep, DEEP hole and I doubt they can climb out.
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To the blood bank!
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a chair over Superman's head. Those bastards.
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Well, it's lucky Kurtzman/Orci aren't working on it, but it does mean some other poor director will be saddled with a script full of worthless dog peeing jokes...
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Wow. Tough crowd. Hired and fired the same day.
And good thinking: maybe it's not too late to have Scotty pissing on a Cardassian (which is neither a confirmation nor a denial that we used Cardassian's in Trek).
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so this next movie has to be better. Singer said something about the first movie was about romance and had nostalgic stuff in it. I think he was talking about the 1978 one because this had all the things he was talking about. Returns was just a stupid movie. I really would rewatch 10000 BC instead of this lousy Superman Returns crap.
I don't want more action in a sequel just a good movie like the 1978 Superman movie was.
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You all go on like this is something important? Like Singer even did the X Men right!!
Jeez.
Superhero movies are by and large crap!
They belong on the printed page, very few have made the transition...Superman least of all.
The very premise is tedious. He's virtually indestructible so you know that fucking kryptonite is going to come along to inject a little bit of jeopardy into an otherwise pointless excercise.
iron Man looks like it might have some balls. but Who's guessing we've pretty much seen the whole film in the many and varied trailers?
Let's grow a pair here for Christ's sake!!
Original material!! Writers!!
Something we don't already know and bitch about because captain blah blah's outfit doesn't look like that until issue 247 where he fights the blaargian doodads!!
Jesus....
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WHEN THE CROWD SAYS BOO! PATHETIC!
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No really. I know for a FACT they were. Problem is...that Superman is radioactive. It was such a bomb no one wants to touch it. At least not with Singer attached. Singer wanted them since they wrote one of the biggest movies of last year and with them involved they might let him direct another one. Look, that movie was Singer's baby. He could do whatever he wanted. He literally told the studio what to do. He made the movie he wanted and it SUCKED beyond belief. Superkid? Really? Look, sometimes, studio notes are NOT a bad thing. Even a suit could have said...ummmm...your script blows. Make it better. But that Hulk reboot is gonna blow chunks and then they are going to be gun shy about doing another reboot. Thats my prediction anyway. Look, I think Orci and Kurtzman define whats wrong with Hollywood scripts. Just like Dean Geurgwhatsisface from 5 years ago. But they are savvy enough to stay the hell away from Singer and his 300 million dollar abortion of a movie.
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Superman's (ugly) girlfriend is killed by terrorists. Superbaby is kidnapped and spends the entire film in a kryptonite cage. Superman goes to war on war. Has his ass served to him by Ninjas in kryptonite impregnated armour. Kryptonite powered lasers! Plot twist after plot twist after plot twist! Ronald Reagan rises from the grave and says " Kal-El, I am your real father. Now let's go 1980's on their asses!". Superman triumphs, impregnates every woman in Lithuania...The End.
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...James Bond managed a reboot not long after a prev film.Bond is an iconic character. I dont see why supes cant do this. Its the only way to go the only other option being "Super Man And Son:A true family adventure"
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Let Springer try it again as he's had more hits then misses.
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Mar 12, 2008 5:59:43 AM CDT
Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman (Abrams' STAR TREK and Bay's TRAN
by palewook
ouch bad choice for the script. singer would be best served to pass on this mess.
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it would be the perfect transition since Smallville is the only thing about Superman that has only been half-good in the last 25 years. And that's what people think the most fondly about Superman in recent times.
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Mar 12, 2008 6:55:03 AM CDT
Bob Orci, coming on AICN and taunting the
by the gospel according to bastardface
talkbackers is an odd pass-time. Can't you go proofread or something, or just like you know try and improve your writing so we don't have to suffer any more retarded gags in your work? Just saying. It's a bit silly to be goading the fans, even if they hate you. Tomorrow they might love you, or not.
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Mar 12, 2008 7:35:10 AM CDT
I'm still scratching my head over "the super son"'s subplot
by darthbakpao
and that WB was stupid enough not to see from miles away the narrative dead-end it might caused
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PLEASE GOD NOOOO!!!!!
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Metropolis = NYC Gotham = Chicago Superman Returns = teh suck Sorry, but anyone who has Superman using his powers to spy on people simply doesn't get the character. And if that scene didn't bother you then you don't get the character either.
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It's interesting that in David Hayter's first draft of X2 he responded to Rothman's desire to have a sex scene between Wolverine and Storm, by writing the Mystique tent scene. BUT in his draft Logan has sex with Mystique in the form of Jean. Singer changed it for good reason. So his decision to use the Superstalker scene wasn't random. An interesting misjudgment I suppose...
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Was how quickly Lex Luthor completely fucked Superman up with the kryptonite necklace... he was only saved by Ms. Tessmacher's mother living in Hackensack.
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Here's a thought: How about Alfred Gough and Miles Millar, better known as the show-runners for 'Smallville,' as the script writers for SR2? The obviously know the universe and the characters, plus they did a pretty good job with the story in Spider-Man 2.
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Hire those guys and most moviegoers will be like "HUH??"
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I don't want a Smallville movie but I would like to see Tom Welling suit up for Superman, instead of super-skinny Routh.
Reboot the franchise, recast both Superman and Lois Lane and for God's sake get rid of Singer.
Here is a petition for anyone wishing to see Welling getting the part. Please sign and share the link with other fans.
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Really guys, I've read that a lot of people don't like Transformers, but I really don't know what anyone expected from a Transformers movie other than giant alien robots kicking the shit out of each other. I'm not defending those guys, but it's plot was more or less self-written due to the reason why the Autobots and the Decepticons came to earth to begin with! All they had to do was dance around Shia LaBeouf's character and decided whether their war on earth would be kept secret from the government (something terribly unrealistic by the way!!!)
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...that superman returns was ultimately a let down for warner bros. why do they insist on bringing singer back if only he changes his tune to the subject matter. give it to someone new. recast the whole damn thing and make an all new superman film
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Kids. Marketed. Batman Begins. Sure.
In case you were really wondering, they aim for a PG-13 rating so that teenagers (whom I think we can agree are different from "kids") can get in without any guff from theater. That shouldn't be too complicated, either, duded.
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I acknowledge up front that none of this really matters in any way whatsoever ... and having said that, for shits and giggles:
"During the Golden Age of Comics, Batman’s adventures were said to have happened in New York City. Eventually they would turn it into Gotham City and also modeled it after New York." http://www.comicvine.com/gotham-city/23611/
"Metropolis is a fictional city that appears in comic books published by DC Comics, and is the home of Superman. Metropolis first appeared by name in Action Comics #16, in 1939. Metropolis is depicted as a major US city on the country's East Coast. The city is known for being one of the largest and wealthiest cities on earth. The co-creator and original artist of Superman, Joe Shuster, modeled the Metropolis skyline after Toronto, where he was born and lived until he was ten.[1] Since then, Metropolis has become a city inspired by New York City." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(comics) -
Ugggh...so cheesy.
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Who do I send it to? (I'm serious.)
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get me a big screen BBBRRRRAAAAIIIINNNIIIAAACCC!!!!
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Let's just start over a la Hulk at this point....Superman Returns was NOT a good movie. They got Jimmy Olsen PERFECT, but how hard is that!?! While I enjoyed Routh's take on Superman, I wasn't overly impressed. That and there was WAY too much pandering to Donner...I mean the movie ended the EXACT SAME WAY!!!! It was all little in-jokes and wasn't original. Get rid of Singer, get rid of Routh and get rid of that sorry excuse for a Lois Lane and her terrible plot points.
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I wanna read it.
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working on this. Singer should've stuck to the x-men films. Who abandon's their franchise before the third act?!
I really liked the idea of following Donner's films. I thought it was a strong choice to pay respect to a classic (many film critics and fans view 'Superman: The Movie" as the epitome of super-hero films)
The kid was a bad idea. It raised FAR too many questions (Clark/Lois relationship, Human/Alien reproduction). I don't really understand the 'homosexual overtones' some people have been citing. Superman just seemed to be a lonely guy without a place int he universe. The finely sculpted eyebrows and the mannequin-skin weren't really Routh's fault. The dialogue wasn't his fault either. But I do blame him for not having enough charm or charisma to give weight to the role. George Reeves had charm to spare. Even Dean Cain knew how to smile with his teeth.
Spacey was fine as Luthor. He's no Hackman, but Lex should be a powerful and influential member of society to be a good foil for Superman. He represents human greed and corruption, and therefore deserves his own company.
Bosworth... (shaking head) oh Bosworth... go home. You can't play here anymore. If you see Rachael MacAdams, tell her she can be Lois.
Can we please have Brainiac as a villain? His power over computers means Superman can fight hundreds of robots built to terrorize humanity, but are actually meant to distract Superman while Brainiac steals the Earth's core to power his downed spaceship.
Bizzaro as a failed clone works great. Who wouldn't wantto see Superman fight Superman? Just don't make him talk backwards.
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Not Singer. There's a difference between "abandoning" and being forced off a project.
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No need to go down that alley again.
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God, I hate that line. At first I thought it was funny until I thought about what was being left out. Purposely. Use the line or don't use it, ya Hollywood cowards. If you want to separate him from the American theme, just don't mention it at all. I don't know which I want to see more... Singer's Superman 2 or the upcoming, "G.I. JOE: A Real International Coalition of Allies".
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Transformers may have been a trite, campy, boy-meets-girl type of action film, but it was more watchable than Superman Returns. (Man I hate admitting that)
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You know it I know it and singer knows it
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Bizarro's nowhere near as compelling as a Brainiac, or a Darkseid. Why waste yet another film on stuff that has already been touched upon? If it's a reboot, fine, but if it's continuing a franchise, it doesn't make much sense.
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don't you think that fight scene in Sup3 would look a little bit different with modern-day tech? Maybe just maybe it would be a little more "exciting"? Maybe a little more "action-packed"? Maybe a little more "Not-taking-place-entirely-at-a-garbage-dump"-ish?
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Mar 12, 2008 1:31:48 PM CDT
Just because effects are better doesn't mean ya gotta redo every
by shermdawg
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Superman v Superman? One good, one bad? Throwing each other into buildings, flying each other intot he ground? This doesn't sound cool to you? It's like the Neo V Smith fight from Revolutions without the prophecy mumbo-jumbo.
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You said there's no reason to do the fight because they've done it already. I'm saying it would be a more exciting, totally different scene with todays technology. Didn't say anything about 're-do ing everything just because the effects are better'.
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I don't want a re-make of Superman 3, I just want Superman to fight something that can actually hurt him, like clone. Not an imagined dream sequence where he must confront his inner turmoil blah blah blah.
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...what would be the point? And like I said using a clone villian is a bit of a lame, when there are far greater villians waitng in the wings. Do you really need a film setting up where Bizarro came from, why he's there, what all would happen when he poses as Supes, just to lead t something that has been done before, and really wouldn't leave much for a story after he's defeated? With Brainiac, Darkseid, or even Doomsday, you could have you slam bang fight scene, and still have places to go with the characters afer the rough housing is over. There's not much longterm weight to Bizarro to warrant an appearance.
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Have you seen Superman:Doomsday?
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Cartoons are depressing, so I avoid them. If only Hollywood had as much of a vision as some of the people handling those "kid shows".
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If they would have used that script instead of 'Superman Returns', we would all be much happier I'm sure.
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Piltdown, sorry mi amigo, I'll avoid the big words. You are right. Using words like "loathe" "cabal" and "contradict" is way out of line. I'm afraid I didn't realize just how much that would distract you. Anyway, I was only saying that, in my humble opinion, maybe the filmmakers thought that using the words "American way" in the movie would invite all sorts of snarky commentary, so they tried to avoid it. Clumsily, yeah, but maybe. Maybe they just thought they were being cute. Or maybe you are right, and teh hollywood libralz are conspiring to trick the rest of us blue-blooded uber-patriots into admiring failed, centrally managed countries just like (you assert) they do, and they thought the best way to do that would be to remove certain words from a superman movie. Could be. And, BraneRobot, if you were talking about me, I'm hardly an "america hater." I like the US--you can take my word for it.
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Which is a failed clone of Superman Lex Luthor made, this way Hollywood would get to shove the traditional Superman fights Lex Luthor and only Lex Luthor shtick they seem to love, and introducing a new villain. If they were to do the silver age, Bizarro world version that would be a bit much for the non comic fan that Hollywood caters to when they make these movies. -
My personal vote goes for at some point seeing the end of the silver age robot brainiac. In my opinion the coolest looking of all the versions. At least they still (usually) keep the classic look alive in the form of his ship. -
Played by Christopher Meloni?
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Mar 12, 2008 5:04:19 PM CDT
Would be cool, though he's more of a Captain Marvel villain
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Which I believe they're working on a movie version of that as well. -
trying to figure out how to message you without posting my (or your) e-mail add. Any ideas?
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With Dwayne Johnson starring as Black Adam, he'd ruin his chances of ever landing a comic role he'd be better suited to play. Johnson sould be Superman. He should have the spotlight. Casting him as a villian, just like in Doom, is as stupid as having Harrison Ford as the bad guy in What Lies Beneath. There's just some actors so likeable, you don't want to see them play anything but the hero.
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Pick a server and meet up there.
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www.supermansequel.blogspot.comI have a contact email there. I look forward to reading.
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The world is a safer place because of intellectuals like you. Actually, no it isnt. It's an incredibly scary place. War against communism. War against Cuba. War against communism again. War against drugs. War against Terrorism. Do you guys actually do anything but war???? Don't even get me started on WW2. The US is NOT the greatest nation on Earth. NO nation holds that title. You DON'T need to qualify your love of your country with whats wrong with it - I never said that - I only said, stop being an egotistical fucking moron and be humble...but you, you far-right fuck, believe in the US history that Fox news gives you...biased and aimed at far-right thinkers like you...the name branerobot says it all...programmed with no mind of your own...good for you, believe what you believe, the fact is - Superman Returns was the biggest piece of shit ever! And as for your WW2 comment? Don't even get me started...(joining the war right at the end and only after the Japs brought you in - otherwise you were scared chicken shits hiding behind the none of our business bullshit, motherfucking cowards!)
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thanks for calling my country a bunch of 'motherfucking cowards'. Real classy.
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MonkeyMan... fuck ya.
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"joining the war right at the end and only after the Japs brought you in - otherwise you were scared chicken shits hiding behind the none of our business bullshit, motherfucking cowards!)" - FYI, considering the war wasn't over til' '45, I would hardly say that getting in in late '41 was "right at the end".
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. . . an apology. Not once, either by his/her diction, arguments, or clarity of judgment, has Branerobot done anything to suggest that he/she was an "intellectual." For shame sir. Also, everyone, please stop talking about events in WW2 like they somehow speak to current national character. WW2 ended over six decades ago, and nearly everybody who participated that's still alive is retired, and all of the people actually setting policy in any significant way at the times are long since dead.
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Seriously, moved me to tears. Loved it. Bring on the 2nd one.
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we could also just be german. But you know what? You've convinced me. These "suit" people with their left wings, with whom I am sure you are so intimately acquainted that you can speak to whether or not they are "pained" by using positive images of America, are exactly the kind of media elite St. McCarthy--who was in no way bloviating about a minor/nonexistent threat in a crass effort to shore up his own political career that only fell apart once he started appearing on television and the public could see exactly how foolish his increasingly hysterical and dubious accusations of minor government employees were--warned us all about. Damn! Why didn't we listen! Why didn't we form some sort of government watchdog agency to monitor movies and tv and newspapers to make sure that these insidious media elites were reined in and only allowed to say stuff that was properly patriotic! Just think, something like that could have prevented this "Superman" atrocity, where these self-anointed media elites can make minor changes in dialog so as to appeal to a broader audience! What kind of a country is this, anyway, in which private entities are allowed to shape their own message so as to sell a product in the way they think is best? And just between you and me, Piltdown, we should make sure these damned media elites and suits and whatnot don't get away with this. I mean, this whole "Super-man" thing is just packed with rabid anti-American sentiment, when you think about it. The so-called "villain" is of course a wealthy white man, who makes his money (when he can keep it safe from those socialist tax collectors who want 15% of capital gains!) through that time-honored and totally American tradition of speculating in real estate. And the "hero" is an alien, an actual alien, which is probably just symbolism for him being an illegal alien! Who works for the media elites as a reporter! This is all shocking, I mean, it's making me sick to my stomach, the level of rabid america-hating those media elites forced down our throats by making a movie we were free to see or not see. We should do something about it. You, me, maybe that BrainRobot guy, we should all get together and run for Congress or something, and make it illegal to remove references to the American Way from movies.
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Wow that's a GREAT idea! Man I would LOVE to see that!!!!
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I too "abhor" (wink wink) Senator McCarthy's witch hunts--why, it was un-American, just like all other bad things! But more importantly, I wholeheartedly agree that something must be done about these totally non-strawman media elites. I mean, this is America! Who the hell do they think they are to do what they want with their so-called intellectual property, even if they paid money to purchase it or the rights to it? That stuff belongs to the people! I'm sick of media elites getting their "jollies" as you so accurately put it on selling products they think will be palatable to the largest segment of the media-buying public. And I think you are dead on in your statement that the American Way is an integral part of the Superman character, and not just some nice-sounding words that, on reflection, don't really mean anything in particular. That's why so many of the classic "Superman" stories (but not the ones that those america-hating, centrally-controlled-country-loving media suits will ever use in their propaganda) involved things like Superman attending school board meetings, starting small businesses, running for city council, registering to vote, and taking his citizenship exam. God, it makes me so furious when the media elites use their devices to cover that up and instead focus on crap like Superman flying around and melting things with his eyes!
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Your guess is way off, but I did recently buy a copy of something Castaneda wrote from a greasy looking guy nailing "down with the media elites--whoever they are!" fliers to telephone poles, and when I opened it up, it said "Property of Piltdown Joey" in bold, patriotic red crayon. Could it be?
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James Cameron's The Death of Superman
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Dr. Evil here (kidding)! Man, you've read my mind (or posts). Rachel McAdams IS Lois Lane.
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Mar 13, 2008 12:31:36 AM CDT
Top ten all-time, all-encompassing superhero rankings in history
by darthbinks1220
Top ten from greatest to least: 1)Supes 2) Bats 3) Spidey 4) Hulk 5) Wonder Woman 6) X-Men 7) Iron Man 8) Captain America 9) Fantastic Four 10) Thor : honorable mentions 11) Green Lantern 12) Robin 13) Blade
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14) Spawn
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Because Anne Hathaway IS Lois Lane.
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I. . .I could be a vet! "An evil vet?" YOU ALWAYS DO THAT!! Rachel McAdams would be a SPECTACULAR Lois Lane because she's sexy and possesses the mischievousness and smarts of Lois. Anne Hathaway is pretty but she seems to only play insecure klutzes. Lois might be klutzy on occasion but she's not weak like all of Hathaway's characters. They need the confidence that McAdams gives to the role while at the same time being sexy and vulnerable. Dare I say it--McAdams would easily outstrip Margot Kidder (who I worshipped in that role) if she had a capable director with a good script.
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unless, in the trailer, Superman;
(1)punches a robot or a mummy
(2)holds an armoured-car over his head
(3)bends a gun around a villian
(4)looks like a full grown man
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