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THE INCREDIBLE HULK teaser spot teasing the full trailer coming soon...
Hey folks, Harry here... Seems we're expecting THE INCREDIBLE HULK trailer any day now - and Universal has teasers for the trailer - and why not... we're all curious as hell about checking this film out. Just so ya know, though... that guy that Banner is talking to, who has seen everything - that's a pre-Doc Samson, Dr. Samson. And dig the TV show green eye contact and shadowy strained angle shot! That got me geeky. Can't wait for a full reveal... but I wonder if we're going to get one. Surely we will, right? Right?
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HULK WANT TRAILER
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"You wouldn't like me when I'm Ang Lee".. No, I didn't..
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that we get a full reveal, but I doubt it. Either way, I'm just glad to finally get a glimpse of this movie.
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like the old TV Show
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Norton...is he looking for an anti-virus?
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...in terms of marketing and stuff? Will it confuse some people that this is the second Hulk orgin film in like five years? Have to admit I found the first to be pretty damned good, a refreshingly original and dynamic approach to the super-hero mythos. TDK should own all.
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but i have super high hopes for this one. that sneak peek of the sneak peek didn't get my juices flowin' though. i want to seea world war hulk movie!
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Ed Norton has some issues to iron out, I guess (unless she dumped him.)
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Wow. I'm diggin Ed Norton has bruce banner.
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Please don't start this horrible trend. I'm glad they are rebooting the Hulk. I wasn't a fan of the mutant dogs and Nick Nolte.
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lost interest while waiting for the trailer to finally show it self, iron man is the one to see
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Tiny little talkbackers...
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The Chinese olympics in "High Jump" just to kill the fun of the games and being the green bastard he is.
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The buzz I'm hearing is that the film is a second story, but retconns the previous film in flashbacks - so it's not another origin story, exactly, but it's not a sequel either.
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Not a fight between the two movies, but a movie featuring them both.
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The lack of respect for Ang Lee's movie still continues to blow my mind. One of the most underrated films in a long time.
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i liked aspects of the ang lee's, but didn't like the hulk itself. the entire tone of this one looks much better. much more real. anyone catch that shot in there that was an homage to the series? the shot with banner's eyes hulking out with two bands of shadow accross his face. mmmmm...tasty
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Why? There were better fx in "Who framed Roger Rabbit".
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i've got to say, i never understood how someone could be a fan of the hulk. he just a dude that turns into a big dude who smashes things, and he can't even control the timing of the transformation. he should be called "giant and destructive at awkward moments man". watching the hulk feels like watching the weather channel. the weather has no goal and is destructive, which is interesting to a point, but where's the story?
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i like norton's presence and voice in this because it looks like he is tapping into the same part of him he used for "jack" or "the narrator" or whatever the fuck you want call his character in fight club. this works hand in hand with the hulk. you know, banner/hulk = narrator/tyler durden. pretty cool.
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implies that people actually saw the first movie. I'm not a hater, I liked it, but it was sort of a bomb. I don't think there's much of a concern.
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Lee's film is far from perfect, but most people hate it so much that I just don't get it. On your pint... I think it had consistently better effects than the Spider-Man movies. I liked what they did with the comic-book panel separations, and the desert berserk action sequence was really well done, and looked great too.
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I mean point.
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i just saw you're first post. goddam thing made me chuckle. i'm a sucker for the puns...ang lee...hahaha...GODDAMMIT
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I mean the porno that I was watching. The teaser for the teaser looked kinda cheesy.
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looks like shit. This and iron man will be shit. dark knight will be ok. What else... only Speed Racer and Indy will kick our asses completely.
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Noooooh, Fight Club did have a lot of meaning and layers. You can find a lot of thoughtprovocing ideas in that movie/story (Yup, I've read it too and all the other Palahniuk books but I don't think it is necessarily contained by the authors ideas). It's very cynical and nihilistic and contradicting, and attracts extremes like ultimate freedom thrue fascism, Creation thrue Destruction, Love thrue Hate and ties everything up beautifully with the dualistic personality. He challenges everything he knows and believes in a destructive way that actually starts to grow. He loses control over it and ends up like just a spectator like us in the audience. (Yeah, I know the different ending in the book). But Hulk? He's just a retard who gets uncontrollable when he gets drunk, NO, I mean .. mad.. And you have to wonder after all the fights he gets into.. Maybe it's him?
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...1) He insisted on coming up with a "real world" explanation for the Hulk instead of just going with the gamma. 2) Bruce Krenzler? WTF? 3) Lee also insisted on making the Hulk 20 feet tall... no one can relate to the Jolly Green Giant on steroids. 4) He shoulda used Weta... the Hulk looked fake, even though the CGI was top notch, it just wasn't good enough. 5) If Lee JUST HAD to make the villain be Bruce's father, he should have turned into the Leader instead of Absorbing Man 6) Two words: Hulk Dogs! 7) Lame ending
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like if bruce just cuts his finger really bad and gets pissed, would he change? or if he breaks his favorite star trek comemerative (i cant spell) plate or something.
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Speed Racer will kick our asses completely? Afraid not.
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His use of comic-booky graphics in the story-telling about as cliched, without irony, as you can get . . . hulk dogs? Dude hasn't made a good film since Crouching Tiger. Sorry. I had high hope for Lee's Hulk, and was left non-plussed by the "meh" result. Don't hate the movie, just didn't like it. Would have rather seen X3 again.
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Been there, done that, very workmanlike but not much fun to watch (for me). Hopefully Ed Norton's Hulk is better. But I like almost everything Norton's been in. Painted Veil was rockin'. Fight Club? Love that movie. I have a lot of faith in Norton's instincts.
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In that one shot. Make Hulk look weird.
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Hulk VS hulkpigeons flying in slowmo.
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As a thug hired by an unnamed Hollywood studio to beat the shit out of a unnamed Asian director who almost screwed the pooch (literally) on a hot superhero franchise property. Ed Norton steps in, invites him to join a special club he and his friends have, and some blond pretty boy gets the shit kicked out of him. I have this on good authority.
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however the Ang Lee version gets so much - undeserved - hate (not only here, but from almost everyone I know be it in person or through the Interweb) that I don't see how this movie could perform well. I'm afraid it won't overcome the first film's BO failure and will end up being the definitive nail in the Gamma coffin... until the next reboot/relaunch happens.
That's a shame, cause I love the first film, and at the same time am totally open for another take on the character. Universal looks like it doesn't even try to put it on the average audience's radar. The movie opens in 3 MONTHS and we only have a teaser, while the bad rap surrounding the first one meant it needed a HUGE pimping campaign, not unlike Iron Man. For shame... -
But I'm going to see this. I was disappointed with Superman Returns, but I'm likely to see the next one, should it manifest. I have grave doubts about a Justice League movie. But I'd probably go see it. BTW, a lot of movies seem to be moving to a saturation campaign near a movie's debut, instead of trying to build it up for a year. This may or may not be smarter marketing, but doesn't make me worry for the Hulk. If it's an oustanding superhero movie, a great action movie--if it is good, there's enough name recognition there that it will get plenty of attention. It'll get the box office it deserves, good or bad.
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However, he probably wouldn't've been my first choice for directing the Hulk. But I remain optimistic. On the other hand, I loved Zarathustra (despite the box-office beating it took), and had faith from the get-go that Favrue would make a kick ass Ironman movie.
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whoa whoa whoa. back up. i'm not talking about the philosophy of the narrator/durden & banner/hulk. themes and all that business. all i meant was that it would appear ed norton is bringing a little of that performance into this. strictly from an acting standpoint. can't you hear it in his voice in the spot above? his countenance, EVERYTHING about that scene with the shrink reminds me of his character in fight club. and i only made the comparison because the whole two personalities in one body thing. beyond that, you're right - the comparisons stop. am i more clear now?
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Named Mr. MacGee? That's what I want to know. Because MacGee wouldn't like him when he's angry. Could be a veiled commentary regarding the paparazzi. "Puny cameras! Hulk smash!"
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This whole thing loos like crap.
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Still not used to the lack of an edit button.....be nice to me, I'm new. :)
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Because I didn't expect much. Hadn't read the book, thought Fincher's previous work was spotty (didn't care for Alien 3, Seven was all right). So I didn't catch it until I rented the DVD about a year later, and was blown away. In five years when I have a Blu-Ray player I'm going to buy it on Blu-Ray. Damn you, Tyler Durden!
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seriously i thought marvel would have stepped up their game with directors on these things. Leterrier doesnt really give me much confidence in this thing, his transporter movies were OK, but that's it. hopefully hulk wont get all greased up and fight like ten dudes while he's sliding around in grease and being greasy aka that was super homoerotic and unecessary.
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kidding. Let's have that trailer already!!
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Sorry, I mean "The Transpotter". With Jason Stathium. You know the one.
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a trailer FOR a trailer. It's a fucking commercial for a movie you want us to go and see, not gold, just hand it over already.
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Next time I would like a little advance warning, or at least a mini-press junket to let me know about an upcoming teaser to the upcoming trailer. Is it that unreasonable to ask for some kind of formal notice, at least 24 hours in advance of when a glimpse of the material that will be a part of a future trailer, which in and of itself is only a small slice of the whole movie? C'Mon aint it cool, stay on top of these things. You don't expect me to just click the link as soon as I see that footage is available do you? I usually like to get some popcorn and a soda before watching teasers to trailers. Try this on for size and take it a step further for us. At least give us a hint that an announcement for a teaser to a trailer will be upcoming. That gives me 3 seperate times to get excited about a movie until the ultimate excitement arrives, the FULL trailer, at which time I can be totally excited about only seeing a small part of the movie.
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Weird way to reinvent the franchise, no?
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What if this was She-hulk? Then what would you think?
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lets face it...with dark knight, iron man, indiana jones etc etc coming up is there really any room fro this "reboot" especially since the much maligned ang lee version is still so fresh in peoples minds. I sense BO disaster. I hope its good and I got a nice feeling of the spirit of bixby from this tease but are people outside of diehard event ffilm geeks really interested in this film ...at all?
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Just release the shitty trailer Universal. Unleash it's ugliness to everyone.
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CHESS IS SISY GAME. HULK LIKE UNO.
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is because it's terrible. But for me it is a so bad its good kind of film for one reason and that is how seriously everyone was taking it. Bana and Connelly are so intense and taking it all so super seriously that you can't help but crack up when things like the hulk dogs happen because it is so fucking stupid that it does not warrant the performances being given. and then the hulk shows up he looks ridiculous it is completely silly yet lee and the actors never give up trying to make it seem important. They needed to lighten up a bit..especially bana..he is so totally without any humour in the film that he just comes across dull and stiff. Connelly is always way to serious and has no sense of fun so its par for the course for her...nolte just runs riot and at least he seems to be aware that he is appearing in something fairly silly. I just hope no fun norton doesn't make the same mistake. The director knows a thing or two about silliness in films but he needs to reign it in a little...a nice balance of nortons pretension and letteirirererrers silliness will hopefully mean a decent hulk film.
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Okey, then I get it.. It was the "this works hand in hand with the hulk. you know, banner/hulk = narrator/tyler durden. pretty cool." That made it sound like a closer comparison and so on.. :) Glad you too liked the movie/book though, have been defending it to friends for so many years...
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a comic book movie, and acted too overtly dramatic. It sucked.
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there's no hope for those who don't get fight club. fuck em. anyway, i'm out.
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Goddammit slappy jones, the whole point of Bana's performance in Hulk was that he was stiff and dull - that's what happens when someone is repressed. And all this crap about no-one having any fun in the film - more fool you for not knowing what you were signing up to when you bought your ticket to a monster movie about a very very angry man directed by a guy who has never so much as given a character a punchline in his previous movies. If you want silly, go watch Rush Hour. Yes, the source material is a comic book, but I resent the misconception that a credible actor has to play a comic book character with his tongue firmly in cheek. And as for the dogs, well... I can't excuse them, they're awful, but I'll forgive them on account of giving Hulk something to smash halfway through the movie that didn't instantly break or die.
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..not the Hulk Movie, but NY Gov. Elliot Spitzer being linked to a postitution ring. So ends his career. BUAHAHAHAH!
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Not so mysterious anymore.
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I almost fell asleep.
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I'm not sure if the cast forgot they were in a comic book movie or if Lee directed them to act as if they were not. Either way, it didn't work.
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MEH!
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the cast was really bad.
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Teasers like the eyes and seeing things being thrown around should be good enough for any audience. They don't need to focus on the green dude himself. Keep the suspense. Don't remind people of how sucky the Hulk CAN be.
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I can't wait to see this movie but i'm cautiously optimistic. Norton as Banner though should kick ass
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Nothing wrong with Nolte or even Jennifer Connelly. Nothing at all wrong with her at all. The cast was not the problem with Ang Lee's Hulk. Sam Elliot was a great General Ross.The problem was the script and the direction. Those were the problems.
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Hmmm....
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It Sucked!
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By that chick from that 70s show, wearing a leather bustier.
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Ang Lee. Done and done.
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He's that fucking good. EVen his lesser films he's fantastic in. And from his comments alone he seems to have a real respect and understanding of the material. And hopefully be less laughably self important than Lee's awful film.
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..I dunno, but he is "tainted" well his career is at least. My apologies for reveling in his now tarnished image, but the fucker was responsible for the loss of over 2000 jobs via his opportunistic lawsuit against Marsh and McLennan, which in turn cost me my job as well.Karma can be a bitch I tells ya.
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The funny asshole from DOTD is getting work! Good for him!
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thanks MCsuch
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I mean Bruce Banner. I always wondered why they changed the first name in the tv show.
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than the entire first Hulk film
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but I don't think they'll be fulfilled. I'd rather see a Hulk movie based on a comic book arc than the TV show. I feel like there's going to be a lot of Bruce Banner and not a lot of Hulk. How kickass would it have been if Banner turns into the Hulk after ten minutes and doesn't revert to Banner until the last five? Like how about a movie that's 100 minutes with only twenty minutes of Banner, allowing for a quick mid-film Banner break. You know, like in the comics?
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Saw that Titan guy on the new "American Gladiators" (after getting an eyeful of Crush, that is), and determined that he should play Doc Samson. Good to see that the actor playing Dr. Leonard Samson looks enough like Titan so that the before & after shots wouldn't be too jarring, should it ever actually happen.
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Howabout, near the end of the flick, the Hulk has to suddenly fight a really lame villain, and the only way to vanquish his foe is to use Hostess Fruit Pies? That would so rock.
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Norton has Bixby's haircut, shoulderbag and haunted demeanor. The TV show had a lot more pathos than the movie and just made the story of the Hulk work better for a live action medium. Carefully balancing that with the more bombastic elements of the comic should fully kick a bag full of ass. I say that this film is going to be one of this summer's pleasant surprises.
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am I the only one who liked the 15-20ft tall comic-sized Hulk in Ang Lee's version?
comic hulk > tv hulk
but tv bruce banner > comic bruce banner > ang lee's psychologically issued bruce banner. bana's character wasn't bad, just too different and not conducive to hopefully a serial run of superhero films. -
Tony Little, natural born Doc Samson. You Can do it!
The problem with ang lees Hulk is that it was the Marvel comics hulk mixed in with hurt daddy feelings and an ending that sucked. In between that junk, it was kind of entertaining. Hope this one's better, the tv-show Hulk apporach will do better at the box office i think... -
I keep hearing this about this movie, like that's a good thing. That show is dopey.
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and let Bruce have his own anger-management issues. Have Ed Norton go "American History X" on us. That would make the Bruce on-screen time a lot more entertaining. Note to Ang Lee: If you're going to use Sam Elliott, at least let the guy have some f*cking balls. Otherwise, what's the point of having him?
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...because some 70's TV exec thought Bruce was too "gay". No joke.
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I have always found Ed Norton to be amazing in everything he does. He is very dedicated and involved in every aspect. He CARES!, not just a hired gun. For that reason alone I will be seeing this in the theater.Ang's HULK is a very polarizing film. One thing I liked about it was the editing of frames and zooms and effect and lighting. I dunno why but I just found it a new cool comics-brought-to-life technique. *shrug*
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...you all knew what I meant.
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I watched some of the Ang Lee one and sometimes the effects are better than others ... looks like they could have spent a little more $$$ and made it more convincing but who knows ... it's hard to buy a giant green man. Anyways there are some hokey parts to HULK but overall it captured the essence of the character. Sometimes the panels were stupid, and comic-book font is lame, but the Hulk dogs somehow ended up working for me. (I pay well, that's probably why)
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if there was a Hostess Fruit Pies cameo in this new Hulk movie.
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I loved the old Mad magazine parody called "The Incredible Bulk," wherein David explains that the network thought that "Bruce" wasn't manly enough. In the background is a television showing the '76 Montreal Olympics. The word balloon announces, "Jenner wins the decathlon! BRUCE is the world's greatest athlete!" Also love how, in real life, Bruces Springsteen and Willis rose to fame not long after the Hulk TV show went away, and I don't think anyone would ever consider them queer. How did Bruce come to equal gay, anyway?
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but i didn't want pompous hulk either. i can accept a repressed character but to repress him to the point where he barely seems to have a pulse went a little too far. By fun I mean something other than dour and depressing. maybe if the script hadn't have been so fucking stupid..maybe if the hulk had looked a little bit real I could have accepted how serious it was all supposed to be but when everything is as silly as that film is the performances belonged to another film. A film without nolte overacting and unleashing his hulk hounds....
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That eye flash is making me nervous.
Hey, I loved watching the T.V. show when I was a kid, but if you watch it now? Painful! Look what happened to Batman and Robin when they started going all nostalgic for the T.V. show. Keep the thing less like the T.V. show. Look what Alex Ross did for the Super Friends. -
I hope she does good. Ang's HULK may have been 100% serious and humorless, but Jennifer did a fine job with the material. I fear I will be comparing Liv to Jennifer the whole damn time.
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I just watched it recently to see if I was a douche for ever liking it... but I ended up surprised at how good it was as an action movie. Nick Nolte as Bruce's father actually worked out as a villain, and the desert fight scenes with the helicopter and the tanks was pretty memorable.
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I really glad they use the TV show as inspiration. I think Norton will capture the feel of Bruce but I hope Rhythm & Hues capture The Hulk CG.
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...they will all be saying how much better Ang Lee's HULK was.
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Ed Norton will "act" all Hulky and the movie will not have CGI and Hulk will get puny gold statue. Hulk Smash!!!
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You know it's true.
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boner.
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Starting to get sick of these underwelming photos and teasers.
Take for example. King Kong. I think the inital footage of Kong hurt the movie. It was underwelming and it's hard to change the mood from there.
I don't want some photo of Ed freaking out or whatever. If this CG hulk doesn't nail it.
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Not sure if this was posted but I didn't see it on Aint It Cool yet. Thought it might be of some interest...
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thank the academy for this puny gold man and AARGHHH! Hulk Smash! (and Moms Mobley rises from the grave-I don't know why I just threw it in)
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At the end of the new Hulk movie he comes to realize it was all in his head and it was just him running around naked drunk in the streets and beating cars with broken tree limbs. Other then that looking forward to it :)
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Methinks so. He's just alright, some of his 'intense' shtick gets a little old. Plus, I think his most notable roles are in vastly overrated films. American History X was nothing special. It's always freaked me out that people are really into that film, to the point that they go on about how cool the 'curbing' scene is. Lotta AHX props are sorta racist. And Fight Club, to me, is hollow trite. Sure its got that slick Fincher look, but besides that? Oh, Norton's intense rage again, and Brad Pitt whose character's male fan following borders in homoerotic. And the 'twissst'! Ooooh. Ang Lee's Hulk was thoroughly engaging, beautifully shot, and a welcome departure from the usually saccharine SuperHero film.
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Edward Norton is an overrated actor, American history X is an overrated film, and Fight Club is shallow but ANG LEE'S Hulk is great?? Yeesh, get a load of this guy.
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1)expectations were HUGE for a macabre frankenstein-esque/horror epic that dealt with a superhero property. It was meant to be heavy but Lee's film was not (I'm sorry, but any fanboy who can justify a giant fuckin mushroom cloud of a jelly fish ending being genius BE MY GUEST). Instead, it was convoluted, bloated, and not as serious a movie as it should have been. Elements exist of greatness(the desert fight), but Ang Lee neither understood why the hulk worked in comic book form (action, myth) NOR why it worked in the television show (Bill Bixby's quiet drama). He tried to do too many things and cater to too many different audiences that he just plain FAILED at reaching his audience. Does this film even sniff the ass of Ang Lee's other films? Shit, Crouching Tiger was genius. This was not.
2)Hulk dogs. Neat concept fucked up because a)we didn't see them transform -- where was the the threat and b)a poodle hulk is funny not scary.
3)Hulk is not 30 feet tall. If Lee wanted to make King Kong, he should have made king Kong. This is the friggin hulk. 10 feet max.
4)Jennifer Connolly was not naked. Why Ang Lee felt compelled to show us Eric Bana's ass but not Connelly's will forever taint this film.
5)Nick Nolte was BORING as fuck and overacted to the point of Tommy Lee Jones' Two Face. That last bit before the final fight was PAINFUL to watch. He was onscreen for way too long with nothing of substance to either do or say.
6)Where where the tv show EYES? Again, why not keep what fans like?
7)Sam Elliot is a god in the film. he's the fackin villain. DO NOT CUT AWAY FROM YOUR FUCKING GMONEY VILLAIN TO HAVE HULK FIGHT GIANT JELLY FISH MAN AT THE END.
8)Hulk transformations were WEAK, looked cartooney, and had no pain or angst to them. Again, no build up either.
9)Hulk looked like a wittle baby cabbage patch kid. Again, retarded design.
10)The list goes on.
Ed Norton's Hulk will make bank. Why? Because there are enough REAL fans of the hulk (both comic and tv show) who were shafted by ang lee's movie. Transporter dude and Norton are two of these people. From this 10 seconds of footage, I already see greatness. Mr. Magee, don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry. THAT is the hulk.
p.s. and to all the geniuses who say that a lack of publicity on this film means it's ass -- you have an unproven Marvel commodity coming out one month prior to Hulk. WHERE DO YOU THINK THE PUBLICITY IS GOING TO GO??? It's going to Iron Man. As soon as Iron Man comes out, see the gamma bombardment we will face. I mean, SEVEN viacom stations are running the new Hulk trailer SIMULTANEOUSLY. DO YOU FOR ONE SECOND THINK MARVEL IS NOT CONFIDENT IN THIS FILM? That's all I have to say. -
Have you seen Primal Fear? 25th hour? Kingdom of Heaven? Down in the Valley? The Painted Veil? He doesn't just rely on an "intense guy" shtick. If you don't like his films, that's one thing. But this guy can act. He's one of the better actors we have out there today. Also, just because I like the movie American History X (except the ending, which seemed melodramatic to me) does not make me a racist. Just so you know. And I remember the sidewalk scene for its brutality. Not because I would do/fantasize about/agree with doing such a thing.
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Ang Lee's Hulk failed because it was dull. It's the summer, and you provide the audience with a potental blockbuster, yet I seem to recall three action sequences, on average spaced out between 30-45 minutes. Hell, after Crouching Tiger, I bet most fans were expecting similarly choreographed action genuis topped off with healthy doses of CGI. - but no, we got Jennifer Connolly looking depressed and Eric Bana having daddy issues. And that's all well and fine, but damnit, give the audience a taste of what they came for - fucking mad Hulk action. Lee's Hulk severely lacked in fucking mad Hulk action.
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WED 9PM VH1
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Or Bill Bixby Hulk 2: Electric Boogaloo? The moon ain't made of green cheese, this lame ass film is.
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Word!
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This isn't even a fucking trailer! It's a goddamn ad for another longer ad! People, for the love of Benji, pull your tiny little heads out of your fat pimply asses!
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The Hulk is going to beat the Dogshit out of Hellboy this summer.
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somebody has already made their own teaser for the commercial for the teaser trailer for the reboot on youtube.
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Allow me to inject some intellectualism into this conversation. Ang Lee accomplished what he set out to do, what he always does, that is, make an Ang Lee film. And Hulk is as Ang Lee a film as any he's made. And to say it's a failure because it didn't make the Top 10 all time box office list is another idiot assumption. It's like that skit from Mr. Show where a greasy David Cross argues that the more money you make, the better a person you are, which means that anyone with at least a six figure salary is automatically better than Albert Einstein and Vincent Van Gogh combined. But I do agree that the stupid idiot suits at Universal probably considered Hulk a failure, but then they probably also consider a schmuck like Van Gogh a failure as well. And lastly, to say that Ang Lee's Hulk failed because some of you small minded folks around here didn't care for it, well...I know plenty of intelligent people (myself included) who thoroughly enjoyed the film and understood the brilliance of what Ang Lee was doing. Plus, they really liked Hulk over in France.
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was fucking retarded
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I tried to like that movie, I really did. The Hulk is my favorite comic book character. Some of the issues I had... the special effects were great in some scenes (like the tank battle) and horrible in others (the dog fight, hulk turning back to banner in San Fran) The whole thing with Banner's father. What was he trying to accomplish? He was trying to reconcile with his son one second and in the next trying to kill him. Was he just insane? I'm tired of the ole-insane villian in comic-book films. Why did they make his father the absorbing man? That was just plain stupid and ridiculous. And the most absurd blunder in the entire movie... when they finally imprisoned the Hulk/Banner in that capsule, why the fuck were they letting him free to take a walk with his girlfriend? Seriously, when they finally catch him, wouldn't they just leave him there.
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Best post of the evening. Thanks, amigo.
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you can see the pop-up for the preview of my new website.
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I mean to say, I liked Ang Lee's Hulk quite a bit, too. It had the (somewhat misplaced) courage to try to be a thinking man's film. A whole shit of a lot better than Daredevil, Ghost Rider, and Punisher.
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Mar 11, 2008 1:58:58 AM CDT
the first hulk movie is for smart people, this one ain't.
by ironic_name
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I think it's one of the best comic book movies to grace the screen and it's a fucking shame more people didn't get it.
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Does Hulk bleed green? I always wondered that.
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Ang Lee's Hulk is great because it's Ang Lee's Hulk? That doesn't make a god damn lick of sense. Gotta get a little more substantive than that bucko if you wanna accuse people of liking shallow fare for their dislike of one movie.
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If you think that movie has depth simply because of the horribly written and (on Nolte's part) poorly acted father son relationship then my friends it's you who are shallow. Just because a movie contains shadows of the topic of child abuse doesn't mean it actually DEALS with them. That movie is no less cartoony and shallow than Elektra. Moreover it simply doesn't work as a Hulk film.
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Hulk smashed. Looks like a bad TV show.
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He's human, not a vulcan.
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Looks like there are some pretty good comic book films on the horizon. Iron Man is leading the way, of course, followed closely by Hellboy 2, the trailer for which looked like Hellboy meets Pans Labyrinth, which sounds pretty fucking good to me. Plus, you've got The Dark Knight, which might be alright. The Incredible Hulk seems like it's trailing at the back, but I reckon it could be an enjoyable surprise.I thoroughly enjoyed the retarded action-y-ness of both Transporters (especially 2, which was even dumber and more entertaining than the first one), so I'm looking forward to seeing what Leterrier does with The Hulk, a character who seems a perfect fit for big dumb action. Also, I am intrigued by Edward Norton's decision to write and star in this film. Is he making a bid to become the new Sylvester Stallone?
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Too bad mass audiences were too stupid to get Ang Lee's HULK which is a far better film than its given credit for, and who's only sin was overestimating the intelligence of the audience. People are dumb. They like things dumb and simple. Ang Lee raised the bar too high and lost out for it. Too bad. Still, I hope this new tv-inspired version turns out good.
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What exactly were they missing out on? Had those of who didn't like the film been clever enough to understand it, what aspects of Hulk would we have had a better appreciation of?This is a genuine question, because I hear arguments like yours a lot, but I've yet to understand where the hidden intelligence in that film is. Could you help a stupid guy out, mate?
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Was one hell of a huge missed opportunity to deliver comic book greatness on screen. sure you can lie or hate the movie but in the end of the day what it wasn't was THE HULK we all know and love. The movie devoted far too much to not just his origins, but the origins of his origins! All that crap with his father was utterly unnecessary just to contrive a reason for Banner to go green and angry. The Hulk dogs was a stupid concept and worse in execution. Eric bana although a fine actor was miscast as Bruce Banner, no where near the boffin lacking brawn type needed to make the contrast between the dual characters work. The incredibly increasing Hulk size was another stupid additional feature and the most annoying pseudo-comic book editing sequences had the effect of constantly hitting you on the head with a hammer just to remind you this is a COMIC BOOK MOVIE! All that wrapped up in the most lackluster music score and an end fight sequence that was shot too dark and too nonsensical to be effective, just added up to a cinematic experience of utter tedium for a movie that was meant ot appeal to a family audience and sell loads of kiddy toys. No child under the age of 16 can stay awake long enough to see the Hulk finally transform after 45 minutes of dragging out Banners mundane past issues with his parents. The movie had only two things going for it: Sam eliiots pearfect rendition of General Ross and the fight in the desert that was 100% on the money in depicting the might of the Hulk. Other than that it was a wasted oppotunity and anyone who thinks it did a good job of putting the character onscreen simply doesn't know the half of the Hulks cinematic potential otherwise they'd shut up and rest their drink on the DVD of that movie. Bill Bixby's Hulk was never the comic, it had a lot of heart and made the character its own for the TV audience of the 70's but it was never correct on any level with the comic, not even with the name of the main character! This new film looks like finally doing justice to one of the milestones of Marvel comics, I'm not a Hulk fan but I'm eagerly awaiting this movie alongside Iron Man and i reckon they'll clean up every penny at the box office to near Spider-man box-office returns by the end of their run.
BTW, anyone who says The Hulk wasn't a flop is living in La-la land. The movie cost 137 million to make and took only 132 million domestically and in total a mere 245 million worldwide!!! That's the kind of total most films of its caliber make in about 3 or 4 weeks of their domestic run. What a flop! -
Unlikely, since he's dead.
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LaserPants, so if your waiting for a cameo then you'll be disappointed.
Franklin T Marmoset - You didn't miss anything, the people who consider audiences too stupid to understand the Hulk are trying to apply rocket science to making a cup of coffee! The Hulk is a simple enough comic character to depict on screen, Ang Lee misguidedly tried to create a far too cerebral approach to understanding a simplistic concept. The end result is unwarranted boredom and unnecessary character expoitions in a film that misses its target audience by a huge mile. Don't let anyone tell you that not understanding this film equates to you being "Too Stupid", the Hulk is not meant to be Quantam Physics in terms of narrative and that unfortunately is what those real Idiots like about this movie; the fact that it attempts to be more than the sum of its origins. The sad fact is to ascertain such a goal is admirable but to fail in such a thing makes the whole point in reflection seem pointless consideing the subject matter. You don't try to make Shakespeare out of an adaption of a Garfield comic, you don't attempt to make Citizen Kane out of an episode of the Simpsons and it is the same for this very misguided attempt to make a movie of the Hulk into something it was never meant to be for an audience that were expecting a Milkshake, Hamburger with fires to go, but instead got a poor attempt at Haute Couture with tinned Caviar and champagne in a polystyrene cup! These idiots will attempt to make you feel you missed the point of the movie where in fact it is they who missed the point of the entire original concept. -
Loved Bana And Connolly. There will never be a better Bruce and Betty. Norton just doesn't look right at all. Nick Nolt was fucking ridiculous. In fact that whole storyline was bullshit. But the two key actors and characters were perfect.
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yay!
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Mar 11, 2008 6:41:25 AM CDT
I agree Laserpants, Ang Lee's Hulk is massively underrated.
by rbatty024
Some of the great themes of that film include nature v. nurture, the role of post-war American fathers, high art v. low art, repressed memories, and lots and lots of Freudian implications.
I think the problem most people have with the film is that they view comic books and comic book movies as low art. This basically means that it cannot discuss certain issues and has to, at times, serve the lowest common denominator. Although I've never heard people explicitly state this argument (some have come close) I believe this is the crux of the entire divide. Of course, Ang Lee realizes this and attempts to split the difference in his film between the high art aspects (the previously mentioned themes) and the low art aspects (the split screen, etc.). It was ironic that before the film so many people wanted comic books to be taken "seriously" but afterwards many people argued that Lee made the Hulk "humorless."
I don't personally believe that any genre or medium should be written off, so I thought Lee's high art/low art experiment was pretty ingenious. I assume that since most people don't articulate their own problems with Ang Lee's high art/low art aspect that don't actually "get" the film or fully understand why they dislike the film. -
I liked The Ice Storm, but then it seemed to me he went through a phase of taking genre films and making his own dull and pretentious versions of them. He made a dull and pretentious western (Ride With The Devil), a dull and pretentious kick 'em up (Crouching Whatnot), and then a dull and pretentious comic book film (Hulk). Trouble is, whenever you express this opinion, everyone accuses you of being a lowbrow submoron, which I don't think is true in my case (well, not all the time).My feeling is, if you're making a film about a guy who turns into a muscular green giant when he's angry, don't stuff it full of dreary, sub-Oprah Winfrey 'issues' gobbledygook and try to pass it off as depth. Let me see a big angry monster wrecking up the place, please, and for God's sake make it fun to watch. Hopefully, that's what we're going to get from Leterrier and Norton's version.
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Leterrier - the guy who brought you Transporter 2... yeah, riiiiiight.....
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Transporter 2 is dumb as hell and twice as fun. That is exactly what I want from a Hulk film.
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...than a pile of shit, given the guy's resume:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0504642/
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but the second was, as I have said above, crap... if that's what Hulk is going to be like, you're welcome to it...
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Transporter 2 had more of an over-the-top retarded feel than the first one, and the action scenes were much more ridiculous. I realise not everyone likes that, but I do.Come on, that bit where he dives out the window and jumps on the cars? That was genius!
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...not what I want from a Hulk movie...
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Though I can't agree with Frankie on Transporter 2. Then again, I've only seen it once so maybe I would find it passable the second time around. I completely agree with your assessment on Lee's Hulk Frankie, it's not what a Hulk movie should be. There's got to be more of a balance. There should have been more action like in the desert.
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Mar 11, 2008 7:28:05 AM CDT
re: I agree Laserpants, Ang Lee's Hulk is massively underrated
by summer_pudding
I couldn't agree more. Ang Lee is a very emotionally intelligent guy, making a movie whose key demographic is often not renowned for their layered, insightful view of the world. Why is it that brainless sack of shit movies like The Fantastic Four series are largely exempt from the ire of fans, and subtle character studies like Ang Lee's Hulk are given such a tongue lashing? I have high hopes for the next movie, and will continue to enjoy the first. Having said all this, I agree, some more action would have been nice.
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Zrenny chance you could include a 'reply to' button ala YouTube to these TalkBacks? Cheers mate. Keep up the sterling work.
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FF is not exempt, many, many have bitched about those shitty movies (Frankie being the exemption) on this site. BTW, calling those who don't follow your viewpoint of his movie basically shallow does not help your point. The "subtle character study" does not translate well for a Hulk movie if all you have is that and a lack of action (for the most part). They can make a Hulk movie that shows some sort of balance between Banner and his inner demons vs. balls to wall action. It is a fucking huge green man after all.
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... i.e. on realising that I didn't like it at all - after Crouching Tiger, I was eagerly waiting for it if it was gonna be as touching and brutal as the character studies in CT e.g. Chow Yun Fat tellin Michelle Yeoh that he had been away thinking about shit for far too long and that all he needed was the love of a good woman in a great quiet scene, and then Michelle Yeoh's face when Chow Yun Fat got poisoned and faded away - Shakespearean tragedy at its finest... his Hulk could've been an amazing flick, instead it just came across as pretentious nonsense...
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They made a movie about the ancient Zoroastrian prophet? When was that one in theatres? Uh... I think you meant "Zathura"!
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I didn't argue that Ang Lee's Hulk was great (although I do think it is), I simply said it succeeded because it's the film Ang Lee wanted to make. More of a philosophical statement. Moreover, I say Hulk's depth isn't derived from a mere shallow approach to child abuse. At the film's heart is a story as old as humanity, the idea of man trying to become as like a god. It's the same story of the Tower of Babel, of Adam eating the apple of knowledge, of Icarus flying too close to the sun, of Prometheus stealing fire from the gods, here represented by the story of David Banner. And the Hulk is the scientific realized embodiment of Banner's quest. That's also why I think Hulk needed to be 30 feet tall. A 10 foot tall Hulk is simply a guy on gamma ray steroids. A 30 foot Hulk is more akin to the ideas Ang Lee was dealing with, an anthromorph of the powers of the atom and genetics, the embodiment of man becoming a god. F***in biblical, man.
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...actually that would be workable in a movie. Hulk is fighting Abomination, Abom punches him through several buildings, landing him on a freeway overpass. Abom comes after him, Hulk picks up a semi rig (driver jumps to safety) and Hulk clobbers Abomination with it. On the side of the crumpled truck is a Hostess logo. See how easy? No one would even notice, but it's be a little nod to all of the geek contingent. Of course I don't expect Letterier to be that deft, so whatever... I'm just preparing myself for "ambulatory vomit-pile Abomination."
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Honestly.
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That movie Directed By Jack Favruea, the guy who is doing Ironicman, starring Jim Robbins. I apologized for my fumble-fingered confusion.
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..and what the hell is with the gay oil wrestling scene? To me, the Transporter movies are simply an excuse to have "Man, you know what would be totally cool??!?!" action sequence moments without any sense of....film-making or story-telling? I'm not looking for cinema mastery here but give me something other than 1000 yard stares and absurd jet-ski jumps onto a bus stunts. It's a bit ironic, I suppose, that what we will likely end up with is an exact opposite of Lee's Hulk and even tho everybody loves to hate Lee's Hulk...I bet you will not have the exact opposite feeling of love for Letterier's schlock. I'd love to be wrong here as the Abomination on film has so much ass-kickery potential to it plus the inner turmoil of the character (ala the 70's/80's series with its context of the tortured fugitive) is great fodder for a good movie. I'd love it to be great...but considering the 'Transporter" movies and their blatant self-awareness and inherent corniness....I do not have any faith that it will not suck....only Norton can prevent this? Time will tell I suppose.
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Maybe Marvel will do this in one of the sequels...you know it would be sweet if they did it right. And Ang Lee's Hulk sucked...just the wrong tone. The desert action scenes were good (except no one dying in the tank), but the rest just sucked.
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I love Ang Lee's version, and I realize that action was not his focal point (although the desert scene was tremendous), but like most people I would love to see an action oriented Hulk. However, I think that shitting on the Ang Lee film by pretending it does not exist is not the way to go. You can keep the back story from the first film, bring in a different director (hopefully someone better than The Transporter guy), and commence with the Hulk smash. The studio chooses to ignore those who liked the first film, proceeds to slap Ang Lee in the face, and then forgets the first film even exists. This is why I will be avoiding The Incredible Hulk this summer.
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THEN HULK DRINK OIL
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Ha! Nice one. That actually made me laugh.
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"Hulk TOLD you Hulk would eat you!"
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Troy was pretty great.
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Sorry, I just don't care about this movie. ZZZZ
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...is the Hulk himself. First off, you have 2 Hulks from the get go (60's comic and 70's TV)...then add in the 80's talking Professor Hulk...Add Joe Fixit/Grey Hulk..and then end up with World War Hulk...Now come on? a serious WTF! Where can anyone pickup any thing and put this together to make everyone happy? you can't, and you won't. I think it's going to be very interesting to see Norton's screenplay, as well as his acting on this. IMHO, i think he's a great casting for this. skinny geek looking...becomes the 7 ft Green Goliath. Perfect Jeckyll/Hyde...me personally, I would love to have a talking Hulk..Professor style big time. Do you really need Norton in that case? Nope, but no one would go see it. Need starpower for Banner.
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Hulk only says one word in the script.
He's about 12ft. tall while Abomination is about 14ft.
The script is poor, but the action could be spectacular if R&H can handle the fx.. -
Well said. I couldn't agree more.
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