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'This Sentimental (Expletive Deleted) Just Cost Us Money!!' Hercules The Strong Gives HBO's Last WIRE Ever Five Stars!!

I am – Hercules!!
"This sentimental motherfucker just cost us money!!" Was McNulty thinking clearly when he began letting so many in on his scheme to redistribute his serial-killer resources? Did he learn nothing from his old partner Bunny Colvin’s Hamsterdam gambit? Say, wasn't there a Sun reporter lurking around during Hamsterdam? Is that guy still in the cast? Tonight brings the 60th and final hour of “The Wire.” Here’s the tally: 28 “Desperate Housewives” Emmy nominations. 24 “Grey’s Anatomy” Emmy nominations. 11 “Ugly Betty” Emmy nominations 1 “The Wire” Emmy nomination. 6 “Desperate Housewives” Emmy wins. 3 “Ugly Betty” Emmy wins. 2 “Grey’s Anatomy” Emmy wins. 0 “The Wire” Emmy wins. HBO says of the finale:
Episode #60: " - 30 - " Debut: SUNDAY, MARCH 9 Carcetti (Aidan Gillen) maps out a damage-control scenario with the police brass in the wake of a startling revelation from Pearlman and Daniels. Their choices: clean up the mess, or hide the dirt. With his leads predictably drying up, McNulty asks Landsman (Delaney Williams) to pull police off the homeless case - until a fresh homicide ramps up the investigation. A frustrated Haynes finds his concerns about Templeton (Tom McCarthy) falling on increasingly deaf ears. Convinced he has the upper hand, but caught in a legal quandary, Levy plays a cat-and-mouse game with Pearlman. Bubbles debates whether to greenlight a newspaper story about his life; Dukie (Jermaine Crawford) seeks out an old mentor for a loan; and Marlo (Jamie Hector) oversees a new co-op order as he maps out his next move. As the officers stage an Irish wake for another dearly departed officer, the seeds of the future are sown throughout Baltimore. Teleplay by David Simon; story by David Simon & Ed Burns; directed by Clark Johnson.
9 p.m. Sunday. HBO.

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  • March 9, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    the screener has been up all week

    by bacci40

    so i have stayed away from imdb, and while tempted, i have not downloaded the screener...on sunday nite, im gonna sit on my couch, prop my feet up...and cry like a little baby...and dont remind me about the lack of emmy wins...the tv establishment hates quality

  • March 9, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    the screener has been up all week

    by bacci40

    so i have stayed away from imdb, and while tempted, i have not downloaded the screener...on sunday nite, im gonna sit on my couch, prop my feet up...and cry like a little baby...and dont remind me about the lack of emmy wins...the tv establishment hates quality

  • March 9, 2008, 12:52 a.m. CST

    God I'm going to miss this show

    by Jackie Boy

  • March 9, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST

    FIRST!!!

    by Craptin Pants

    First post on first ever post! Yippee for me!!! ...on a serious note... still can't believe this show is going off the air for good.

  • March 9, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Damn you bacci.... damn you

    by Craptin Pants

  • March 9, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    really too bad

    by VictorNewman

    shows like this don't get the credit they deserve, while crap like Grey's Anatomy gets all those Emmy nods. Yessir, can't get enough doctors having sex with each other in the hospital!

  • March 9, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    I've just started The Wire,

    by Stevie Grant

    but I'm still pissed about all the shitty chick shows getting more awards.

  • March 9, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST

    THE Best TV Show EVER

    by LaserPants

    Luckily, with the aid of dvd and internets technology, everyone will be able to enjoy what is, hands down, the greatest television show ever made. Words can barely express how brilliant, tightly constructed, and, dare I say it, important this show is. Absolutely required viewing.

  • March 9, 2008, 1:10 a.m. CST

    I'm gonna be so depressed after this episode.

    by eggbeater

    The end of a perfect TV show. I think I was about 19 when this show debuted. It's just crazy to see how much has changed since. Perfect cast. Perfect writing. 20 years from now when people are getting lists together for the "best shows of all time" I gonna feel very lucky to have seen the number one show from beginning to end. That number one show is The Wire. Can't wait for tonight.

  • March 9, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    All The Pieces Fit

    by LaserPants

    Bets on who dies copwise -- Lester or McNulty?

  • March 9, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    McNulty

    by LaserPants

    If he doesn't die, or off himself, he's goin' to jail.

  • March 9, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    best tv show ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by crazybubba

    why do all the really great show never last. what is wrong with the viewing public? Are they just stupid? Not only is the wire the best program ever, it wasn't mindless and had something to say. It was real and gritty. Do people not like to think? I miss deadwood too.

  • March 9, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Sad it's Gone but

    by The Funketeer

    glad it went out before it got crappy. Best show ever.

  • March 9, 2008, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Deadwood

    by Some farts really stink.

    You think HBO will get off it's ass and finally do the "Deadwood" movies they promised? Goodbye The Wire. TV'll never be the same without you.

  • March 9, 2008, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Craptin Pants...damn me?

    by bacci40

    why? cuz i let it out that the screener is online? the real one told everyone last sunday...then said that no one would give out the spoilers...but the spoilers are all online too...so i have stayed far away...it is a hell of a show....there is only one other show that i refused to miss on a weekly basis, and that was st elsewhere...and even that show at times was uneven....and kudos to hbo for sticking with the show till the end

  • March 9, 2008, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Unike some series....

    by chuffsterUK

    .......this had the perfect ending....no spoilers,but there is a piece of music/montage near the end that is just ...well..wait and see.. Oh,and it's 90 minutes,not an hour!

  • March 9, 2008, 3:41 a.m. CST

    "The golden age of Wireless begins" ...huh?

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    That sentence doesn't make any kind of sense, no matter how I look at it. Some times it's just better to say what you mean instead of trying to fit the title of what your talking about into the headline

  • March 9, 2008, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Bacci

    by optimus122

    No he is pissed off because he typed FIRST and like usual didn't end up being first..anyway I watched the screener and its a damn fine ending for a great tv show.

  • March 9, 2008, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Wahhhhhhhh!!!! So Sad.....

    by Russman

    I wonder if they could win an emmy if the producers used computer technology to change the skin color of the majority of the cops. <br><br>Farewell to the best show in the history of TV.

  • March 9, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Emmys?

    by NudeandAroused

    Are they really a measure to a show's greatness? Obviously the covert racism of the Hollywood television community has played a major part in getting"the Wire" its due. Here, the actors and their roles have a chance to show their humanity which they do with great writing. Equally obvious is the loving, at the same time scathing, look at Baltimore. While certainly an Emmy, like an Oscar, is indeed a measure of respect, it is not a measure of greatness.

  • March 9, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    don't you mean wirelessNESS

    by Reynard Muldrake

    i think it needs even more syllables. <p> a friend and i bought some Jameson and Heineken and Crab Cakes for tonight and are having a party, B-more style (Wire style) in Austin.

  • March 9, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    downloaded the screener

    by Cedar_Room

    and watched it last night. Left with a mix of sadness and delight. Love the show, sad it has to end. No spoilers here - but every story line does get wrapped up. Greatest moment for me - Slim Charles. You'll know the scene when you see it.

  • March 9, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Cedar

    by optimus122

    Yes that was pretty cool , slim should have had a bigger role on the show IMHO.

  • March 9, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    The Wire has never won an Emmy, and here's why...

    by Conqueror Worm

    ...all the other shows mentioned can be sold to the world, there is only one show that is critical, and realistically shows the state of an American society in collapse, it's pessimistic, dark and almost depressing in it's approach, it's The Wire.</p> And it's the greatest TV programme ever made.

  • March 9, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Yes, yes, yes

    by I am_NOTREAL

    In the brainless and lifeless tableau that is most of television, The Wire has been one of the last examples of what can be accomplished with dramatic TV for five seasons. It will be greatly missed, but at least it gets to retire on (mostly) its own terms.

  • March 9, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Cedar and Optimus

    by cptrios

    I agree, but the scene that made me the happiest (though it's also sad in many ways) - - - - - I guess you could call this a spoiler if you want to know NOTHING about the episode - - - - - is the one at the end which takes place in the rim shop. All in all, one of the most satisfying finales ever.

  • March 9, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Breaking Bad on AMC is best show I've seen this year.

    by Buckys_Kick_Ass_Arm

    Bryan Cranston at the very least deserves a nomination for Best Actor for his role come Emmy time. 7th and final episode of the season tonight. check out their website. If you live in U.S. you can watch the first 2 episodes free. Just saw the 6th episode and I was blown away!

  • March 9, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Spoiler spoiler spoiler..

    by optimus122

    If your talking about Dukie then yes that was sad if not predictable...that Junkman ( JUNK!) deserves a bullet in the head. Another cool part was seeing Michaels transformation into another characters replacement if you feel what im saying :)

  • March 9, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    optimus

    by cptrios

    Your second point is the one to which I was referring. I almost clapped. And for the love of crap don't say anything more about it!

  • March 9, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    I love that tally

    by Charlie Murphy

    because it's so sad, i can't help but laugh. i'm going to watch this show tonight, and i know i'll be very sad throughout. i may even cry. i've purchased a few seasons of Homicide off ebay (a show i've never seen) to help compensate for the loss of the Wire.

  • March 9, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Emmys aren't the awards that piss me off

    by CedricD

    Every year, the Screen Actors Guild give their acting awards. One category: best ensemble acting in a television drama. We all know what show - especially in Season 4 - should have has its cast (25 SPEAKING ROLES!!!)getting that hardware. If there is any justice, at Emmy time the best supporting actor in a drama will have Issiah Whitlock, Tristan Wilds, Jamie Hector, Lance Reddick, and Wendell Pierce competing against each other.

  • March 9, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    awesome wrap up

    by dudemandude

    i liked the finale, thought it did everything it needed to do to wrap up the greatest show ever on television. <br> <br> I loved the Cop Wake, Landsmans speech was great an Kima showin up to make a mends with Lester. Marlo's "don't you know who i am?" scene was good, as was him w/the coop. Michaels transformation was awesome, too bad we don't get another season or 2 with him to see it develop (although I guess we already have w/dude he 'replaces'). Dukie lol what a fuck up. Bubbles fuck yea! is there any doubt that Bubbles, besides being one of the best characters, is a fucking incredible actor? go Bubs! I liked how it all turned out. <br> <br> It's a damn shame the show had to end. And the Emmy comparison is so symptomatic of the ills of our society. Desperate Housewives? Jesus-tap-dancing-Christ.. yeah, a show like that offers so many uh benefits to society. a show about cheating adulterous sluts, as if men needed anymore confirmation their wives are fucking 1/2 the neighborhood while they're at work.. I can see why that won out.. fucking scumbags.

  • March 9, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    alas we hardly knew you....

    by dj_bollocks

    perfect ending.... 6 stars.... it's been a gret ride and i can't wait to start again... for those waiting until tonight - enjoy - it really is THAT good...

  • March 9, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Wire Geeks

    by Ace Hunter

    My friends and I had a memorial service for Omar. We smoked Newports, ate Honey Nut Cheerios, and shared our favorite Omar moments. Geeks. Indeed.

  • March 9, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    END of the Golden Age

    by supertoyslast

    There are still plenty of very good TV shows around and arguably a few great ones. But now that the greatest TV show ever made has gone, the recent Golden Age is over. Especially since we no longer have The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, The West Wing, Deadwood looks unlikely to return and BSG is nearing its end. But I look forward to wherever the next classic comes from.

  • March 9, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    The real reason THE WIRE has no Emmy's

    by Razorback

    Black actors only win when 1) they are such big names that they cannot be ignored or 2) they are in a comedy that makes white Emmy voters feel good. THE WIRE is not just the greatest show with a mostly black cast, it is the greatest show period. Emmy voters can't handle it.

  • March 9, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    The Wire Exhibition at The Baltimore Museum of Industry

    by thefrontrowe

    For worshipers of The Wire, The Baltimore Museum of Industry will have an exhibition on The Wire starting 4/30 going through December. There's a couple events on the 30th... "On Wednesday, April 30th join the BMI for a day of opening activities. From 4:30 p.m. to 5:30 p.m. meet The Insiders. Key members of The Wire’s creative team will discuss the joys and challenges of filming on location in Baltimore. Clips of the show will be used to illustrate the techniques used to achieve the sense of realism which is the hallmark of this made in Baltimore series that recently concluded its fifth and final season. From 6:00 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. it’s a Conversation with The Wire. A collection of talent from HBO’s The Wire will speak about their experiences during the filming of this critically-acclaimed series. Panelists will show clips and participate in a Q&A with guests about the series, the film industry, working in Baltimore and why many of them decided to make Baltimore their home. Following the conversation, be the first to see the new and exciting exhibit! Tour the entire museum while mingling with panelists, attendees and members of the film industry. Enjoy live music from Anwan Glover (Slim Charles) and the Backyard Band, Tony Small and Kids (performers of The Wire’s season 4 theme song) while having fabulous food and an open bar provided by Simply Elegant Catering. "

  • March 9, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Herc's Revelation

    by topaz4206

    Aside from the Slim Charles moment, the Herc revelation was quite a shocker to me. It seems obvious in retrospect, but still... damn.<br><br>And fuck Kima!

  • March 9, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Because...

    by NeoMyers

    The Emmys have a difficult time with shows like "The Wire" because it is so intricate and every episode is part of the bigger whole. They only watch ONE episode and don't get what's happening. They're confused so they don't reward the show and its talented cast.

  • March 9, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    topaz

    by optimus122

    What herc revelation? Did I miss something?

  • March 9, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Optimus

    by topaz4206

    *SPOILER*<br><br> That Levy knew that Herc gave up Marlo's cell phone, and not only approved of it, but was thrilled at the implications it would have on his law practice. I just felt really dirty during that scene.

  • March 9, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    TAPE LOST! WATCH REAPER!

    by chrth

    <nt>

  • March 9, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    So Sad...

    by nochez

    it just goes to show how people just dont want to think when when they watch tv anymore. how in THE HELL is According to Jim in its 7th season anyway? I dont even know if i want to watch cuz i dont want it to be the end. i cant imagine how its gonna feel when LOST ends. So long Baltimorians. You will be missed.

  • March 9, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    The Wake

    by NudeandAroused

    Is clearly for the show. I plan on raising a cold one at the end.

  • March 9, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    topaz4206

    by vaudeville villain

    *SPOILER* <P> levy didn't know that herc gave up marlo's cell phone. levy congratulated herc on giving him the info about the possible illegal wiretap.

  • March 9, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Vaudeville

    by topaz4206

    Yeah you're right I just watched it again -- although the shitty feeling doesn't go away.<br><br>But that's all part of why this show is brilliant. It never takes the easy way out.

  • March 9, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    topaz4206

    by HELLOHIHELLO

    I think what really happens is worse, because it makes herc the dirtbag.

  • March 9, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    NEW SPEED RACER TRAILERS!!!

    by rhcp2sweet

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  • March 9, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Saw it last week, MILD, MINIMAL SPOILERS...

    by DanielKurland

    And it is so fucking good. The whole fucking concept behind the episode, that everyone is so stuck in this huge lie, they need to KEEP lying is perfectly in tone for the show. Pryz has one very short scene but it's maybe the most awesome thing he's ever done in the show. It all ends with a beautiful montage reminiscient of season 2's ending, and in spite of how things are far from perfect, things do end surprisingly chipper for this show. There's a wonderful scene at the bar between everyone towards the end too.

  • March 9, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    All this time I thought

    by Dataset

    ...that HBO was playing a Thomas Dolby concert. One of my submarines is missing, I guess...

  • March 9, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Aint it Flashy Cop Drama!

    by skywalkerfamily

    ZZZZ

  • March 9, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Heart rending. Every cop bar song Pogues.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Every song at the cop bar is a Pogues song and they are frequently played in McNulty's car. <p> One of the little joys of the show.

  • March 9, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Golden Age of WIREless??

    by ZsAsZz

    Herc's titles rarely make sense. I'm just amazed he couldn't find a way to work in Buffy or Angel into all this.

  • March 9, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Everybody Raise a Glass!

    by NudeandAroused

    To the Master of the house! Television will not be the same. Five stars indeed.

  • March 9, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Awesome Episode

    by gandalftheblack

    WOW! Great episode! Great series! GREAT TV SHOW!!!! The Wire will be missed!!!

  • March 9, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Poor Dukie

    by Funketeer

    I was really hoping he'd come out ahead but that last shot was probably the most heart wrenching moment of the entire series. It was nice to see Bubbles get out of the basement though.

  • March 9, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    THAT was PERFECT!!!!!!!

    by emu47

    Raise it up in a toast for the body of an American show!! The Wire now, officially, after all is said and done, the single most perfect show ever aired on television. I LOVED it! Absolute brilliance. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU to everyone who made this show happen. And bless all the real life people who live beneath this fictional surface and know and live the truth. Fuck all ignorant fools who dismiss this masterpiece. Best. Show. Ever.

  • March 9, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    HBO Needs to Step it Up!!!~!!!@@#@$%

    by crackerfarmboy

    HBO is in some real hot water in the drama department. Big Love is their current longest lasting series (excluding Deadwood) and it's only been on for 2 seasons. I liked Tell Me You Love Me but god knows that show needs some levity. In Treatment is amazing but it's scheduling makes it damn near impossible to watch except on re-runs (move it to Sunday nights please). And I think we can all agree that Deadwood is well....dead as wood cocksucka. Hopefully Alan Ball will strike gold again with True Blood. The last 3 years have seen the loss of: Six Feet Under, The Sopranos, and Rome. Those shows are going to prove damn near impossible to fully replace. The Wire will surely be missed among HBO's drama heavy hitters...even if America was too ignorant to appreciate it's genius.

  • March 9, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    I'm a Free Born Man of the U.S.A.

    by Man in Suit

    If Kima hadn't ratted out the Homeless Killer scheme, the Stanfield prosecutors wouldn't have known about the wire tap until it was too late. She actually saved everyone's ass. But, in any case, it was a great ending to the show. I loved it. Beautiful.

  • March 9, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Amazing end to the best show ever.

    by eggbeater

    I can't believe it's over. What a great episode. Especially the end montage. Poor Duquan. Bubbles finally got to go inside his sisters house. Marlo will always be a gangster. Sydnor became McNutty(great callback to the judge from the first season). Carver got promoted. Kenard was in bracelets. Bunk was Bunk. Kima came clean to McNulty and Lester and they were fine with it(I wish she was in the final montage. Same with Cutty) Pearlman being a judge and Daniels a lawyer was pretty funny. Chesse is dead and I was so happy. Slim's got the connect now. I actually ended up liking Gus alot. I only had one gripe: I know that Michael was taking Omar's place but I just wished he didn't use a shotgun. It didn't look right and felt just a little forced. I liked that scene though. I just wish he used a pistol. But this isn't the time to nitpick. It's time for celebration because a show finally ended on a high note. What an episode. Thanks to the entire cast and writers and directors and David Simon. You guys are all amazing.

  • March 9, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Note for note PERFECTION

    by Kentucky Colonel

    The final episode of NEWHART has finally been surpassed. Never will there be another show as pitch-perfect as what we have been witness to. <p> Nuff Said. <p> Please seek out the letter to TIME from Simon, Burns, Pelecanos, etc.

  • March 9, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    THAT...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...is how you end a series. So many little nods and winks to the longtime viewer, yet nothing seemed false or shoehorned in. So many great moments, though my favorite part had to be the new acting commissioner being crowned at the very end, what a perfect metaphor for the show's main theme. Simon and Burns and all involved in this show deserve a standing ovation.

  • March 9, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Now watch Big Love be HBO's designated drama series

    by Pennsy

    Emmy nominee this summer. Doesn't seem fair or right. My dream drama series lineup would be Battlestar Galactica, Friday Night Lights, Lost, Mad Men and The Wire. They're the 5 best 60-minute shows out there. What a battle that would be. :) I'm happy it didn't end the way the Sopranos did.

  • March 9, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Just say no to a Drug Conviction

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Here's a link to that aforementioned letter: <p> http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1719872,00.html

  • March 9, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Beautiful

    by Deep Roots

    Just beautiful

  • March 9, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    On Dukie, Emmys and HBO

    by The_Fredo

    When I saw Dukie, I thought "Here's the new Omar." And that's what I thought the last episode was more about than anything else -- showing how things are cyclical and never-ending. Mayors, police chiefs, governors...they all come and go. The struggle and the "game" remain. <BR> <BR> As for the Emmys, well, if you look for validation from the dog and pony award show circuit, you'll find it. If you set out to find really great TV, you'll find it's rarer. <BR> <BR> And now I am beginning to wonder what I'll do with HBO. Deadwood? Gone. Rome? Gone. The Wire? Gone. So what's left? Big Love. Tell Me You Love Me. In Treatment. John From Cincinnati. Entourage. <BR> <BR> Sorry. Not interested in the lurid tales of pretty people who're bored with fucking one another.

  • March 9, 2008, 10:44 p.m. CST

    what to say that hasn't been said

    by MC-909

    Man, my eyes watered up at Landsman's serious part of his speech (about McNulty being the guy he'd want to work his murder) and the beginning of the montage. Such a beautiful show and not a single bad or cheesy moment in five seasons worth of hour-long episodes. Not to be too sentimental, but with the Wire gone it feels like I lost a good friend...though I'm grateful for the time we spent together. Thank you to everyone involved.

  • March 9, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST

    amazing

    by TheBunkCigar

    I, too, wish Cutty was in the montage. Leading up to the finale, I thought they had too much to wrap up in this episode. But these 93 minutes were SO well paced, and beautifully executed. Slim Charles - yes!!! I wish that'd happened sooner. I loved MIchael's new persona, and cried for Dukie. Bubbles got through the door, what an amazing scene. I loved everything about The Wire, and this finale was, as many before me have said, perfect. It's just insane that the SNL talkback will probably generate more posts than the swan song of this incredible show.

  • March 9, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Fredo

    by MC-909

    Hate to tell you this but John from Cincinnati is gone as well. Such a shame too becuase that was a fun show to watch (and it definitely wasn't about pretty people...to be honest I'm not really sure what it was about but that wasn't it)

  • March 9, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Oops.

    by The_Fredo

    Meant Michael when I typed Dukie. Dukie...well...more to David Simon's overall theme: Some get out (Bubbles, McNulty). Some don't (Marlo, Bunk, Carcetti).

  • March 9, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    The Wire Sucks Ass

    by the_arashikage

    Just kidding. Excellent end to one of the best shows ever. Far superior to Sopranos in every aspect... and a much better ending. Now we just have to wait till "Generation Kill," then when ever Simon gets another show.

  • March 9, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    How has no one mentioned Pryz's stuff?,,,

    by DanielKurland

    He was so fucking despondent and cold. I loved it.

  • March 9, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Hmmm..

    by Holy Hell

    I didn't love it. It felt a whole lot like the way your standard TV drama should end -shout outs to recurring characters, reasonable well-adjusted epilogues for the central characters, a nice bow tied up for the saga. Very conventional, a bit to mortal as a friend of mine put it. The Wire deserved a bit more immortality. Stunningly impressive body of work. Disappointing finale.

  • March 9, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    The ending...

    by d1138

    ...a whole lot more positive than I expected for this show. I was relieved and surprised that the McNulty suicide rumor proved to be false ... especially when it was spread by the same spoilerers who were on the nose about Omar, Snoop, and even Cheese.

  • March 9, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    I disagree Holy Hell

    by bullet3

    I think it struck the perfect balance between being sad and being optimistic. I would have hated if it ended completly depressingly. And it wasn't overly conventional at all. I mean, Marlo is a free man for christ sakes. Mcnullty sacrificed his job for almost nothing, senator clay davis got off the hook completly, Dukie is gonna be a homeless drugie. Hardly a "conventional ending"

  • March 9, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Utter brilliance

    by password.swordfish

    in my mind, the show goes out perfectly. It truly was the best show ever on television, and by best I mean most entertaining, most thought-provoking, most emotionally engaging, best written, best acted, and most important. I honestly don't even think that's an exaggeration. Kudos to Simon and Burns and everyone involved... and thank you for five sublime seasons. Also, fuck all awards shows. The fact that the Wire has never been up for anything is exact proof as to the joke such awards are. James Spader wouldn't make it as an extra on this show.

  • March 10, 2008, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Citizen Kane: 9 Oscar nominations, 1 win

    by waggy

    The Wire will have a lasting impact on anyone who works in the medium of television from here on out. Award ceremonies are just an excuse to see pretty people in pretty outfits. I mean if Scott Templeton can win a Pulitzer.....

  • March 10, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Nothing changed: everyone was replaced.

    by liunardo

    The point of the final episode is that things might've changed for all the individuals, but in the big scheme of things, someone new just moved into the same niche. Status Quo is maintained. New McNulty = Sydnor New OMar = Michael New Prop Joe = Slim New Chris = Kenard? New Gus = Fletcher New Clay Davis = Daniel's Ex New Carcetti = Nereese New Bubs = Dukie (remember the early Bubs? the potential big brain wasted as a street junkie)

  • March 10, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    liunardo

    by waggy

    How was Marla Daniels the new Clay Davis. I don't see her getting into bed with Levy (figuratively of course) and shaking down drug kingpins.

  • March 10, 2008, 12:28 a.m. CST

    bullet- from circlesofinfluence.net

    by Holy Hell

    This is a bit more on my p.o.v. on the finale: Well, I've just now watched the final episode of The Wire, and while the show is easily one of the most penetrating, compassionate, iconoclastic, and (dare I say?) important shows in television history, it's finale failed to awe me. It was so retrospective and circular in it's form (corronating new Bubbles, Omars, and McNulties, fugue-ing the series' trademark end of season music montage with the "Down In the Hole" theme from season 1) that its potential to resonate as an act of art-as-political-heroism sort of evaporated, or (gasp!) betrayed itself. I believe the motivation that drove the whole project of The Wire was to stare the textural/political/conspiratorial realities of America's inner cities in the face and generate two things in the viewer: 1)empathy for human beings normally regarded cynically and one-dimensionally (dealers, fiends, cops, etc) and 2)an understanding of the immovable indifference of the systems and institutions that govern and guide the lives of, in particular, poor Americans. I think that's pretty easily discerned from anything more than a passing interest in the show, and is verified (in general terms) by Simon himself in a recent interview with Terry Gross (linked in the blog). The show has, I think, fulfilled both those ambitions with a sophistication and a generosity all but unknown in the recent history of American filmed fiction. There has always existed in my conversation with the show, though, an expectation of or negotiation with what I have to call "hope" (for lack of a less naive or Romantic term). These remarkable characters, so recognizable to many of those who've spent time in our urban settings (in whatever capacity), constantly "banging their heads into walls" and fighting the fight (like Deanna Burney, for example, from "I Am a Promise" [see the blog]) have been given a formal opening to hope for change. That is to say that despite the thematic explorations of systemic corruption and indifference in the institutions that The Wire has relentlessly provided, the nature of the project as "serial" kept the possibility open for a "comic" resolution (the possibility of change) rather than the ingrown, cyclic, "tragic" conclusion with which we've been provided. The "banging", as referenced from an earlier forum conversation, has led neither to "burn-out" or to "systemic change" - they've just learned to stop banging. The cops, at least. The fiends and gangstas are still banging away. That's tragic and unacceptable. I believe the show, whether it intends to or not, has added to the mythic imagination of its viewers, and that that influence over the imagination ripples into behaviors. Stories of hope beget heroes, stories of tragedy beget cynics and posers. I wonder if the notes with which Simon et al. decide to conclude their saga - the characters of which we've grown so fond withdrawing from the head-rattling, gut-bruising struggle for justice and hope and adjusting into positions of compromise with the immovable machinery, and the culture(s) of violence and corruption being sustained actually DOES something to us. Does the experience of internalizing such narrative beats translate into apologies for attitudes of apathy and impotence toward the radical systemic injustice of America's urban underclass? In it's formal sophistication and unprecedented ambition to bring television into the right-now AND it's tragedy does The Wire serve the forces it loves (justice, compassion, hope, even truth)? I believe that we can crack open these systems, and, what's more, I believe we ARE. I think Simon, in an act of humility or of ignorance, missed the main character of the saga - himself. Simon and his production partner Ed Burns, are of this Baltimore world. Simon was a Sun reporter and Burns was both a cop and a teacher in the city. Their firsthand experience with the stories make the series so real. But they've missed the single most crucial element to the story, and that element is them. They have taken their experience and their passion and their sense of outrage and have told the story. They started with "Homicide", continued with "The Corner", and took things further with "The Wire". They have told the story, and that is how the immovable machine starts to move. One move would've made "The Wire" sing. After the final music montage they cut to McNulty, beaten like the city he looks out on. Instead, give us Alma at her desk, pouring over notebooks, with an epiphany coming across her face. We'd know that it's because she's figuring out the truth - Templeton's deceit, McNulty's lie, Carcetti's cover-up. We'd be left with the sense that the story will be told, that Baltimore isn't yet dead. And that is exactly what is happening. The stories are told. There is heroism in that.

  • March 10, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    hmm, what about Carver?

    by liunardo

    Clearly the promotion scene showed Daniels passing the torch to Carver, and they both have a shady money controversy in their past, but I never saw Carver as smart enough to be the "next" Daniels, or even Freamon.

  • March 10, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    tears running down my face as i type this

    by bacci40

    for i know this show will not get one emmy nod...because it speaks the truth...no matter what we do, we are all fucked...and men of conscience will always get fucked

  • March 10, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    liunardo...carver's smarts will come

    by bacci40

    what he is, is honest....not that it fuckin matters...the game continues ad infinitum

  • March 10, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    I've got chills right now

    by memento108

    So amazing. Everything I hoped it'd be. Just...perfect. Was sad to see things turn out that way for Dukie, and was glad to see McNulty and Lester get away with the dignity and respect they deserved. And yeah, seeing how some get out and some get stuck in a way of life...so heartbreaking. But is there a certain way we're to interpret the montage at the end, as in, is McNulty just imagining how it all may very well turn out, or are we to take it for what it appears to be? This show never was that cryptic, as in a Sopranos sorta way....so yeah, probably not. All in all, brilliant, and satisfying.

  • March 10, 2008, 12:52 a.m. CST

    5 seasons of Brilliance ends with the system triumphant

    by G100

    The Wire examined systems and organisations. They are what will endure as liunardo and others pointed out. The faces may change the technology may change and there may even be small victories along the way amidst the carnage and wasted lives, but the game will never change because there is no profit in ending it for those who play it well.<p> <p>Some seemed to think unless McNulty was jailed or died or Marlow was jailed or shot in a stereotypical shoot out then this was a conventional ending.<p> <p>Hardly.<p> <p>It had the guts to say the assh*les will triumph as long as they do what is expediant and politic & compromising, from the Governors Mansion to the street corner. And the best some can hope for is to be remembered along the way.<p> <p>Now we can look forward to Generation Kill from The Wire team. So I somehow don't think this is the last we'll hear from these masters of Television but there may well be nothing like the Wire ever again.

  • March 10, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Holy Hell

    by topaz4206

    I prefer the real ending to yours, but I guess the point is that the story DOESN'T get told -- or when it does, nobody listens, as is evidenced by the very show we're speaking of, and the public's ignoring of it.<br><br>And although I'm the 50th person here to state it, I must get it out -- as a whole, it's the best show I've ever witnessed.

  • March 10, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST

    G100

    by Holy Hell

    I think I'm the only one who's accused the finale as "conventional", so I'll respond- Yeah, I thought it was conventional in that the characters that've been around for the duration (Bubbles, Daniels, Carver, etc) were given comfortable epilogues. It felt sort of like how Barney Miller would've gone out or something. More than accommodating the general "TV finale" conventions, though, this seemed to satisfy conventions of the show itself that it should've, in my opinion, tried to transcend. The heroism of telling the truth, for example, is both transcendent and realistic, but it's distance from the centrality of the themes of the finale, in favor of the cynical "change will never come" message we've been getting since season one seemed 1) a bit timid, politically, and 2)wholly ignorant of the potentially transformative heroism of the act of creating The Wire at all. Looking forward to Generation Kill along with you.

  • March 10, 2008, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Topaz

    by Holy Hell

    The story DOES get told- we've just seen it/listened to it/conversed with it for five stunning seasons! It's there!!

  • March 10, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Breaking Bad kicked ass

    by INWOsuxRED

    If you missed it, AMC is going to replay it all in order. Even better first season than Mad Men, imo, and Mad Men was fantastic too.

  • March 10, 2008, 1:17 a.m. CST

    by Holy Hell

    My earlier comments, bit easier to read: http://www.circlesofinfluence.net/Blog/6EE0E46B-5440-4C27-8940-0EFE4F2B5DDE.html

  • March 10, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Holy Hell

    by topaz4206

    Of course, but just like Gus, shouting to the Powers-That-Be with evidence in hand, it's talking to the void that doesn't talk back.<br><br>Civilly disobeying the Rule of Law, when unjust, is the first step for the enlightened to end the reign of tyranny, as proposed by the creators' letter to CNN, linked above.

  • March 10, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST

    topaz

    by Holy Hell

    agreed, but we are the void. My concern is that some of the vibes I'm getting not only off those who've admired The Wire and it's finale but from people in general who should know better is that the battle is over before it's begun. That history and bureaucracy are immovable and that civilization is doomed. My concern is that the finale, neglecting to tell the true heroic story- the story of the story-tellers - works to keep us cynical and paralyzed; it works to keep the void a void. We are NOT a void, and we should know better, work better, vote better, and converse better. We don't have time to smirk with the structures that maintain injustice. We need to change it. I'll read that link. Thanks.

  • March 10, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Topaz

    by Holy Hell

    read the Time piece (I think that's what you've referred to). Interesting idea, to nullify juries that attempt to incarcerate non-violent Americans with drug charges. Can't say I disagree. I wonder how many of those Wire viewers who ask Simon et al "what to do" have done something as simple as write a letter to an elected official or to a publication. That's what my relatively new site, circlesofinfluence.net, is trying to do. Check it out if you're interested.

  • March 10, 2008, 1:41 a.m. CST

    I see what you're getting at holy hell

    by bullet3

    I still disagree though. Yes, they show that the system is a void, but I don't think they say its impossible to fight back. Look at the people that break through like DaQuon and Bubbles. There is despair, but there is still hope. And I think it was important to end by showing the ultimate unimportance of the individual in the big system. It gets people thinking about how they've been playing a part of this giant buerocracy. Ultimatly, the show is there to show the problem, not the solution, and in that sense, I think the ending is perfect (although I wish that lying fucker didn't get a pulitzer).

  • March 10, 2008, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Jack Colby: Your Post is One Star.

    by Executor

    Idiot. <p>There's been plenty of less than stellar reviews in the past for a variety of shows (even Herc's favs). Don't be a moron.

  • March 10, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Holy Hell

    by topaz4206

    Excellent points, but I suppose they were trying to portray the reality of their (and by proxy, Alma's) position as storytellers. The story of "The Wire," if it happened in 'real life,' would probably not make the front page of the Baltimore newspaper. And if it did, who would read it -- the entire newspaper industry is collapsing.<br><br>In my heart, I want to keep fighting. But it is disheartening when, as my sister (the most intelligent woman I know) sits to watch two identical presidential candidates "debate" on a network owned by a man with a very public vested interest, and I ask her why the candidates who vocally oppose the dehumanizing drug war aren't represented, she replies "oh come on, they don't have a chance -- this is television."<br><br>When I can't convince the closest people to me -- the ones that actually value my opinion, to listen, it makes it difficult to press on. But, I persist.

  • March 10, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    bullet

    by Holy Hell

    I loved Bubbles' story, and Naymond's (from season 4- Bunny's "adoption"), but Dukie's shooting heroine in the stables with some elderly junkies- not so hopeful. I understand what your saying, and I know I'm in the minority position here- I just can't shake the fear I have that depicting the systems as beyond reformation, as The Wire certainly does (the stories of hope are personal, not systemic), actually DOES something to the way we understand that crisis. I'm afraid it buttresses an attitude of hopelessness that discourages us Americans of voting age to demand attention from our officials. Issues of urban reform have been completely awol from the political debates, in favor of ethanol subsidies and platitudes about 3 am phone calls, largely because almost NO ONE is telling our officials to PAY ATTENTION! Narrative like The Wire which delve into the content but judge it incorrigible reinforce that radio silence. At least that's my fear.

  • March 10, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Topaz

    by Holy Hell

    I hear you. The thing is in making issues like "urban reform" mainstream issues. I'm writing letters about urban reform to McCain, Obama, Clinton, etc, and if everyone who watched The Wire did as well we'd certainly get their attention. I fear that very few will because of a dominating sense of hopelessness that narratives like The Wire finale tend to reinforce. I've started a site on urban issues (I was a teacher in North Philly for about five years) called circlesofinfluence.net to try to get people talking about the issues and speaking out about them. It's still pretty embryonic at this point, but you (and your sister) are certainly invited to check it out.

  • March 10, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST

    You say cynical & timid I say realistic and brave

    by G100

    You seem to be implying that revealing the truth about the serial killer might have achieved something yet we know from this series it would have been a Media Feeding Frenzy for a while but eventually the status Quo would have returned with more new faces but no systemic change. Amsterdam proved that.<p> <p>You also seem to imply that there needed to be hope in the form of a transformative solution but if we learned one thing from all 5 seasons it's that there simply are no easy answers let alone an uplifting easily summarised prescription to end the show on.<p> <p>What the show did was provide us with raw and truthfull information about how the system works and left it to the viewer to draw their own conclusions as to where the fault lies heaviest in the end.<p> <p>That "one man or woman can change this world" might be a staple of Holywood and would have been an uplifting note to end on but would have been totally at odds with all that has gone before. At best one person can make a small difference but the problems this show highlights are beyond the scope of one person to solve even someone at the top of the system like Carcetti would always become compromised by what they have to do to get to the top.<p> <p>I don't totally disagree however that the truth can be an incredibly transformative force, only that within the confines of the system we are shown in the Wire the transformation is fleeting and at best marginal but in the personal lives of those portrayed in the Wire it is shown as a powerfull force indeed.

  • March 10, 2008, 2:04 a.m. CST

    by Holy Hell

    sorry I keep plugging that site, don't mean to be obnoxious!

  • March 10, 2008, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Holy Hell

    by demolove

    Your responses in this thread would, I think, make Simon and Burns very happy. Not only is this show a great dramatic achievement, it also never talked down to it's audience and always demanded rebuttal and discourse. For 5 seasons, a truly transcendent work of art.

  • March 10, 2008, 2:11 a.m. CST

    by Holy Hell

    I can't argue with your points on the show; I agree with them. My concern is will real people, right now, in American cities, failing to maintain or to build their humanity. Yes there are seemingly impossible systemic momentums to reverse, but they are only "seemingly" so. One individual can't change the world anymore, but s/he can inspire others to act. Someone, like Simon, with the experience, compassion, and intelligence he's demonstrated for the stories and characters of The Wire, should inspire us to act, not to throw up our hands. And maybe he has, I don't know, but inspiration and "changing the world" are only cliches in the movies. Mobilized, people can make change.

  • March 10, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Holy Hell

    by cptrios

    I agree in principle with everything you're saying, and I think that it's a totally valid point. However, I think that the finale DOES do what you wish it had done (how's that for syntax?), but does it within the boundaries (i.e. realism) that have been in place since the beginning. Yes, everything you've said is true regarding the characters learning to stop "banging," but they didn't exactly fail. If you look back at Hamsterdam (which in the end accomplished nothing) and then at the finale, you'll realize that this is indeed a step in the right direction. Chris and Monk are in prison. Marlo's off the streets and is nothing but a memory. Slim Charles therefore has the opportunity to take his place and institute a more Prop-Joe-like rule. The police are no longer terribly underfunded (this is the big one). Sure, these aren't huge changes, but they're changes, and they were brought about by two relatively low-level policemen with no public profile. I think that while Simon (who is by all evidence a massive pessimist) does show us that everything is pretty much cyclical, there is a little ray of light. All in all, I think that within the boundaries of both the real world and the Wire universe, this was about as "inspiring" an ending as it could have been. And if I exclude thoughts of missed opportunity for social impact, it was pretty much perfect.

  • March 10, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST

    people

    by Holy Hell

    If you do wander on over to my site, be sure to register in the forum and send me an e-mail at admin@circlesofinfluence.net. I'm off to bed. Thanks David Simon. Ed Burns, and the Wire peeps for the series.

  • March 10, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    one way to show hope would be an historical montage

    by G100

    Thinking about it even within the confines of the shows limited timeperiod there were still hints that gradual progress has been made.<p> <p>Simply going by the degree in which the most powerfull man in the system changed from the beginning to the end for example.<p> <p>The mayor they started with was simply in it for himself, Carcetti had some degree of a moral crusade even though he was eventually compromised, so that was a change for the better. The "new" Police Chief was clearly a step in the other direction though.<p> <p>What could be forgotten is that Historically change does occur so perhaps a short montage & exposition of the changes in circumstance and civil rights over the decades might have shown the degree of hope you wished to convey because although change in the systems is glacially slow things do indeed change but we were perhaps given to short a timespan to realise that fully in the Wire.

  • March 10, 2008, 2:37 a.m. CST

    obama says this is his favorite show

    by bacci40

    and if this is the case, then the final episode was made for him...it was a warning to all in power...if you are in the game, there can be no change...if you force everyone into the game, there can be no change...if you compromise your principle, even once...there can be no change...and to me, the worst of the entire bunch was carcetti, wish slim had saved a bullet for him

  • March 10, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Baltimore from about 1900 onwards perhaps

    by G100

    It's actually too big an idea for a closing montage that would at best have some photos and footage showing the city growing and progressing with the slums, the schools, the paper, the corners, the police and city hall featured and progressing.<p> <p>Still it might be a nice follow up idea for HBO though to trace these changes within Baltimore with eyewitness testimony and historical documents etc. especially the beginnings of the drug epidemic and what that did to the city demands a Documentary of some size one would think.<p> <p>Simon himself admits in The Homicide book that the Police force saw sea changes and though he argues from the Police point of view that not all the changes were necessarily for the better he does acknowledge some of the gross abuses were rightly weeded out. And I'm fairly sure the case could be made for the rest of the institutions like the schools etc. progress has been made. (if clearly not enough)<p> <p>Though for those at the bottom who fall prey to the Drug Epidemic has meant the change for the better through the ages has of course been far smaller.<p> <p>I don't know about Carcetti he became more of a weasel certainly, but I still think he was better than the previous incumbent and might have made a difference at a Governor level. (Though if it was all just for an eventual run at the Presidency you could certainly imagine the compromises growing ever larger.)

  • March 10, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST

    great interview with simon

    by bacci40

    read it and discover that the omar jump happened in real life...from 2 stories higher...http://tinyurl.com/37837r

  • March 10, 2008, 3:34 a.m. CST

    The montage was not McNulty's imagination...

    by DanielKurland

    If only for the fact that it showed variosu characters and plotlines he knew nothing about, and couldn't have hypothesized over.

  • March 10, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST

    G100

    by bacci40

    from the moment carcetti began his run for mayor, you knew his eye was always on the governor's seat...when he turned down the aide for the school system, it was confirmed...the guy is scum, just like almost every politician....look at 2006...dem congress gets elected stating that this is the end of earmarks, rubber stamping and the war...but the entire time, the dem leadership is looking at regaining the white house....so its all bullshit....so they do nothing and allow the voters to get angrier and more desperate over the next 2 years...carcetti is scum....willing to sacrifice the city of baltimore for personal gain...no different than the council woman...no different than marlo...los angeles has a carcetti in the form of villaragosa, a true piece of work...the city is millions of dollars in the hole, and he is ready to cut back on police and fire services...the schools system is corrupt and bankrupt, the infrastucture is falling apart...and what does the great mayor do? well last year, he made a speech to thousands of illegals (who cant vote) and uttered the infamous line,"WE CLEAN YOUR TOILETS!!!!"...this year he is running around the country campaigning for hillary...he is willing to sacrifice this city for his own personal power...fucking whoremongering scumbag...oh, and im a liberal dem

  • March 10, 2008, 4:15 a.m. CST

    final thoughts

    by mrswing

    Some of the fake spoilers would actually have made this finale more powerful... What strikes me as different about this finale is that this time around, it isn't the system that crushes hope & the individual. It's the individuals within the system which ensure that justice isn't served this time around (Carcetti, his white aide, even Daniels and Pearlman to a degree) in order to save their own skins & careers. Love the Michael situation, wish he'd been in this more. And I'd love to see a series about his exploits from here on in. Final situation of Rawls - was that a promotion or a demotion? He didn't look too happy in his State Police uniform... The press storyline didn't impress (no pun intended). Nothing surprising about it, really. A good finale, but less powerful than the endings to seasons 2 and 4. At least there's hope for McNulty the Mensch (as opposed to McNulty the asshole).

  • March 10, 2008, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Michael using a shotgun

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    A pistol shoots a tiny bullet, a shotgun sprays a whole fuckton of buckshot. You don't have to be precise and shit. I'd think if job consisted of regularly robbing dangerous people who will outnumber you must of the time, you'd go for the shotgun. And the Shield is coming back in April.

  • March 10, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    good finale, but desperately wanted a Barkesdale and Marlo confr

    by SantiagoAtez

    Also, I thought the conversation with Marlo and Slim in the prison visitor's area was a bit out of Marlo's character...too friendly and open. I wanted to see more with Chris and his reaction to facing life without parole. But a finale WITHOUT Barkesdale? C'mon...I know he had a cameo earlier in the season...but how could you have the finale of The Wire WITHOUT him?

  • March 10, 2008, 5:38 a.m. CST

    ...wanted a Barkesdale and Marlo confrontation

    by SantiagoAtez

    Why can we continue typing in the subject field if there's a limit? Anyway, once again...no Barkesdale? I thought it was a GOOD finale to my FAVORITE show of all time. Definitely not the best episode...probably should have been one of the best, but it wasn't IMHO. But hey, it certainly wasn't a bad episode by any means...those didn't exist for The Wire.

  • March 10, 2008, 5:59 a.m. CST

    just one question

    by mavsman15

    WTF happens to McNulty? does he stay married, does he become a drunk, what the heck does he do for a job and now no pension. Wish it would have showed more on his fate.

  • March 10, 2008, 6:23 a.m. CST

    Loved the finale but...

    by Razorback

    It did feel rushed at times. I think we needed one more episode (or just half an hour more). Still, it was an excellent end to my favorite television show of all time.

  • March 10, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Tiny URL to the Simon/Burns/Pelecanos TIME letter

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Here you go...in shorthand: <p> http://tinyurl.com/2jgn6l

  • March 10, 2008, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Sydnor

    by ForkTongue

    Sydnor following in MmNulty's footsteps with the judge was awesome. At first, we he started bashing the new commisioner I was sure if he was talking about Daniels or not. <p> Then when I saw Valchek. hahaha! I couldn't stop laughing. Wish there was more a connection with Season 2 though. I would have liked a Bubbles/Kima/McNutly scene just for old times but then again showing Bubbs upstairs with his sister's family was such a simple thing but you know how much it meant to his character. Dukie taking money from Prez......sad so sad. <p> Herc's a poor excuse for a former police officer and that's the reason why he's off the force. The only time he was good was when he was partnered with Carv. Remember he's the one that ratted out Bunny Colvin's Hamsterdam by calling the Sun. <p> Where was Avon and Cutty? Wee Bey made it in there but no Avon? <p> All in all it was a great ending. Can't wait to watch it again.

  • March 10, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Re: "Golden Age of WIREless"

    by chrth

    It's a great Thomas Dolby album from the 80s (She Blinded Me With Science is on it). I'm guessing that was the reference Herc was shooting for.<p> PS: TAPE LOST, WATCH REAPER

  • March 10, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Farewell Wire

    by HarrysNemesis

    Not only did you give us a great series, you gave us a solid finale -- more than you can say for most shows. It tied things together pretty well. Would've liked to see Marlo go down, but that probably is not reality anyway. Was nice to see Prop Joe avenged. Goodbye McNulty, Bunk and all the gang -- SHEEEEEEEEEIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!

  • March 10, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Oh and also nice

    by HarrysNemesis

    To see a new Omar on the rise!!

  • March 10, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    the finale

    by Cedar_Room

    I thought it kept in keeping with the show's ethos. Ultimately the wire is saying that nothing changes, and it would be unrealistic for it to end with the war on drugs over and Daniels running a clean police department. I felt the finale summed up what the wire has said all along - nothing will change because of self-interest. Because people like Carcetti are more interested in furthering their own careers than in doing whats right. Look at what happened to McNulty and Lester who did the exact opposite. For me the finale does not say "why bother nothing will ever happen". It is not cynical or negative as others have stated. It is a massive slap in the face - it has shown us clearly what the problems are, it has offered solutions and it has shown why things do not change. This is a wake up call to everyone out there - the solutions are in your hands and the wire shows how things should NOT be done. It says to us the problem is massive, and things should be changed. But it requires something huge for it to happen. I'm not American, but I should think that every American in power should watch the show, feel ashamed, and then feel energised to do something about it. It ends on a message of hope for me.

  • March 10, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    I called the new Omar last week

    by Charlie Murphy

    as well as new Bubbs. The show has always been an endless loop of "what's happened before will happen again" who gives a fuck if they take down Marlo, there's going to be a bunch to take his place, and the finale proved it. what a wonderful show... i didn't cry like i was expecting to, but only because it was such a great episode. and how fitting that the last shot of the series was of Baltimore (did anyone expect anything different?)

  • March 10, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    ForkTongue

    by The Funketeer

    Sydnor was following in Lester's footsteps not McNulty's. Sydnor was being far more subtle than McNulty's ever been capable of. Keep in mind that when McNulty went to the judge in season 1, everyone knew about it. Lester knows how to fly under the radar. Kima has been groomed to be the new McNulty since season 3. As soon as she hit homicide she started drinking, cheating on her wife and ignoring her kid. Then when McNulty cleaned up his act, she did too they even had similar scenes setting up Ikea furniture. McNulty passed the baton to her when he said "if you thought it need to be done then it needed to be done" (or something like that) which is pretty much how he's operated since the begining of the series.

  • March 10, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    One thing...

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Isn't there some lawyer-etchics type bullshit that would keep Daniels from presenting a case in front of a judge he is romantically linked to? Oh, I forgot, there's no such thing as an ethical lawyer...silly me!

  • March 10, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Ummm... Kentucky Colonel

    by Razorback

    Watch the episode again. It is clear that she will NOT be sitting in on his case.

  • March 10, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Cutty

    by memento108

    I was disappointed we didn't see him too. One of my favorite characters. Also, I was too dumb to figure out the Omar connection with Michael...thanks for pointing that out. I think that's a neat little touch. Also, no Avon really sucked...it would have been cool to see him in the prison yard as well. Nobody's really talked about the Marlo scene at the end. Kinda badass. He just loves the streets, only place he feels alive...not with those real estate developers. Also, I feel that McNulty has always been the backbone of the show, and I think that last scene shows us that he bears the burden of all of Baltimore's problems on his shoulders, and loves his city, and the fact that he had a chance (at least in his mind) to really clean things up and ultimately failed...it's sad.

  • March 10, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Marlo

    by ForkTongue

    I like how Levy warned Marlo about the developers. They'll bleed you dry just like the bled Stringer Bell. <p> Another character that was sort of left out was Randy. I know he went into the boys home, but it seemed they touched all the other boys but never went back to him. Besides Bunk talking to him earlier in the season. <p> Avon's the big missing piece of the puzzle though, considering that he's been a major character since season one. <p> The scenes with Stringer Bell and Avon were some of the best of the series.

  • March 10, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    obviously they couldn't get the actor for Avon...

    by SantiagoAtez

    I can't think of another reason why he wouldn't be featured in that prison yard scene. For me, the Avon and Stinger were a HUGE part of the Wire. I think the 4th or 5th season should have had a subplot of Avon in prison. Prison life should have been a subject on the show IMHO, and they missed a great opportunity.

  • March 10, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST

    You will be missed! RIP The Wire!

    by turketron

    What a great ending to this show. I liked seeing Weebay and Chris in prison together. And we did see Randy a few episodes ago. The final shot of Duke was one of the most heartbreaking I've ever seen. The montage with the main theme playing and then cutting to McNulty = excellent.<p><p>There will never be another show like The Wire.

  • March 10, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Down in the hole

    by jefflebowski

    Great finale but I was caught off guard by the Dukie turn. I feel like he would've been smarter than that to start using. I guess I would hope he ends up like Bubs then down the road. Otherwise, everything wrapped up appropriately and I felt satisfied.

  • March 10, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Avon

    by TheBunkCigar

    Definitely expected him to walk up to Chris and Bey in the prison yard. I agree, the actor must have not been available, because his absence from the montage was impossible not to notice. I can't complain, though - it was fun seeing him earlier this season.

  • March 10, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    A Fantastic Ending To The Greatest Show Ever Made

    by LaserPants

    I'll miss THE WIRE, but I'm glad the ending was so good. Next I hope Simon and Burns move to Philly and make a new show!

  • March 10, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Why Michael has to use a shotgun...

    by liunardo

    Michael using a shotgun makes sense. He knows Omar is dead, he knows about the mystique, the legend he created. He didn't just accidentally fall into that role. He chose to pick up the mantle. If you're hellbent on being the new Superman, you don't just wear a long coat, you go get yourself a big-ass red cape and get right in everyone's face and own it!

  • March 10, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Waggy: my evidence on Marla...

    by liunardo

    ...is her speech to Daniels. She basically told him if he wasn't ready to be a scumbag he was in the wrong line of work. She actually implied that being a lawyer was taking the high road in comparison! No idealism, no comment about ends justifying means. Just complete, self serving cynicism. Clay Davis in the making, I'm telling you.

  • March 10, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    RIP The Wire

    by kesoze4

    I feel like I last felt in October 2004. The Boston Red Sox -- who had not won a World Series Championship in 86 years -- were down 3 games to zero in the American League Championship Series against everyone's favorite group of overpaid assholes, the New York Yankees. And somehow they won that game. Then they won two more. Then they won the seventh and final game, clinching their spot in the World Series against the St. Louis Cardinals. And four games later they were once again World Champions. As I stood out of the Foggy Goggle pub on Boylston St. in downtown Boston, looking up at the Prudential Center across the street, listening to a city gone mad, random folks hugging each other with joy for hours on end, traffic backed up to the suburbs with everyone wanting to be in the city, honking ringing across the town, I knew that no matter how much I watched sports for the rest of my life, I'd probably never see a win that meant so much to so many people. For sports, that was it, I'd seen the top. The Pats could win the next five Superbowls in a row, and it won't be as great. The Sox could win another 20 in a row, and it still wouldn't be as great a night.Bunk And right now, having just seen a perfect close to a wrenching, bitter, loving, heartfelt, hilarious, insanely intelligent, meaningful, brilliant mess of a show, I'm pretty damn sure I won't ever watch another series that meant so much. God I hope I'm wrong. McNulte, Bunk, Lester, Daniels, Marlow, Greggs, Carver, Beadie, Chris, Burrell, Valchek, Michael, Herc, Vondas, Slim, Wee-Bay, Bubbles, Snoop, Clay, Bunny, Poot, Boris, Jay, Stringer, Avon, Bodie and Omar.... damn I'm gonna miss y'all. Thank you, David Simon, for Snot Boogie and everything else that came after.

  • March 10, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    The Camera

    by kesoze4

    One icon I don't think anyone's mentioned is the camera. The one which has been the sole image to remain in every season's opening montage. The black and white camera shot that shows the boys in the Pit throwing a rock at it, cracking the lens. Not only did a camera exactly like this get broken in the beginning of the finale, but kids threw a rock at the blue police camera tower on the street, and fucking Carcetti himself broke his own television depicting a camera shot of what was going down downtown. Anyone want argue that all this wasn't intentional thematically?

  • March 11, 2008, 1:34 a.m. CST

    kesoze4

    by bacci40

    nope

  • March 11, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Watched it four times already...

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Even with the closed captioning on. I don't see how Ronnie is not sitting in on Cedric's first case. What am I missing? Help a brother out.

  • March 11, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Kentucky Colonel

    by kesoze4

    Did I miss something? Ronnie was the judge at his first case.

  • March 11, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    people like holy hell

    by ZO

    need to relax and enjoy the show already

  • March 11, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    re: the camera

    by TheBunkCigar

    Loved the camera POV while McNulty and Daniels were in the elevator together. And, yeah, Kentucky Colonel - I don't follow Razorback's earlier comment about Ronnie and Daniels. I also thought Ronnie was the judge and Daniels was a lawyer. ???

  • March 11, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    She recused herself

    by JeffTHX

    My understanding is that she drew the case as part of the regular rotation, but it happened to be a trial for which Cedric was the defense attorney. That's why the brief scene starts off with her saying something like "it's my first case of the day and I have to recuse myself." So while she was assigned to preside over the case, she is removing herself from it because of a conflict of interest via her relationship with Cedric. A different judge would then be assigned to the trial before it even begins.

  • March 11, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    McNulty: Season 4 peaceful again, or tormented?

    by emu47

    What do you all think? Is being removed from being a police going to be a good thing for him (i.e., he's home and at peace again), or is it going to be something that ultimately makes him feel vastly unsatisfied?

  • March 11, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Good Question

    by kesoze4

    What did he really learn by the end of the season? That people are fucks and nothing you do is really going to change anything? If he learned that, then yes, he might be able to give up the "change the world and prove I'm smarter than everyone else" complex that was killing him. (Loved that FBI profile scene). If not -- if there's still even the smallest thought in him that he can still prove the world wrong -- then he'll be out there as an anonymous citizen trying to take Marlow down on his own. McNulte, PI + Michael team up? Hell yeah. And Beadie would be screwed.

  • March 11, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    OK, I get it now

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I didn't hear her excuse herself from the case. That would make sense. I'll have to watch it again sometime....like tonight, maybe.

  • March 11, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    McNulty

    by BizarroJerry

    I think this season was a temporary relapse for McNulty. Not just to drinking and screwing around, but to detective work. He cleaned himself up, got together with Beadie, but he definitely got a little bored. And when Bodie was killed -- the one good thing he thought he had helped with on the beat -- he was upset and then saw the huge case and wanted to be a part of it. But for him, apparentlt detective work leads to drinking and general bad behavior. I think after what happened this time around, he sobered up again and realized he had to stick around with Beadie, and move on. God knows what he'll do now, though.

  • March 11, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Thanks, JeffTHX

    by TheBunkCigar

    I didn't "get" what Rhonda said, thanks for explaining. I was also wondering about McNulty (won't it kill him to not be police anymore?) but I think his perspective changed during this homeless killer debacle. Still, it's crazy that he wasn't wasted at HIS OWN WAKE! I know he's making changes, but damn. Habits die hard - McNulty should've been downing the Jameson that night!

  • March 11, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    jefflebowski

    by The Funketeer

    Dukie's story was tragic because he was the smartest of the group but was given no opportunities to do better. His own family sold his clothes and food to buy drugs. His friends were split up. Michael couldn't take care of him anymore and he couldn't get a job because he was too young. The only person who was willing to help him out was a junkie. Despondandt and desperate in a situation like Dukie's you'd probably make the same choices.

  • March 11, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    ZO

    by Holy Hell

    Don't be a thoughtless, useless, douchebag. Arts like The Wire is not made to merely quicken the pulse with make-believe urban drama. More importantly, though, the reality from which it bubbles is just that - reality. I taught for years in an urban environment in North Philadelphia very similar to the world depicted in The Wire, and human kids are being conditioned by cultural boxes that impede their ability to develop fully as thoughtful human beings. You have obviously been grown in a different but similarly limiting box. Here's hoping you break through it, or at least stick to Reba and According to Jim.

  • March 12, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    I finally got to see the finale...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Perfect. A perfect ending. It will be missed.

  • March 12, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Where was Avon?

    by kesoze4

    Just realized he showed up in the S5 premiere but -- despite Chris and Wee-Bay hanging out for eternity -- was nowhere to be found in the finale. Or did I miss the guy?

  • March 13, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Awards?

    by moviemenace

    I don't know if it is intentional but the show addresses the award situation. Scott, with all his bullshit gets the award. Alma, the real reporter, gets sent to the basement.

  • March 13, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    moviemenace: agreed

    by emu47

    And we're all now the people that pay attention and read the story about Bubbles. Anyway, catchphrases that will be with me for a while: "The fuck did I do?" "Happy now, bitch?" "Oh, indeed."

  • March 13, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Bravo

    by sevenrivera

    I raise my Jameson's to the end of the greatest drama ever created. My favorite line of the finale, at the wake when Bunk jumped into Landsman's speech and says, "If you're dead on the sidewalk Jay, McNulty probably did it!"

  • March 18, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Saw Marlo and Snoop at a thing in NYC today!

    by unit1421

    Saw Jamie Hector and Felicia Pearson at a fund raiser thing here in NYC this afternoon, along with John Amos and Ruby Dee. Never knew that that big scar on Jamie was real, always thought it was make-up...

  • March 20, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    saw Marlo, Omar, and Carver at a signing in NYC today!

    by emu47

    Nice guys, all of them. Michael K. Williams was dressed like one stylish motherfucker, though! Seriously. The man is just cool as hell. Gonna miss their characters a lot.

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