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Hey folks, Harry here... I just got home from watching the blissfully retarded epic 10,000 B.C. and got hit with a Link to the WATCHMEN all suited up... talk about a refreshing distraction from the cinematic paint fumes I just got high off of. Can't write that review up till tomorrow night - but till then... for something entirely different - and awesome... Quint chimes in below!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Gotta say I love 'em. I'm a little sketchy on Ozymandias, but all the others without reservation. I especially love Silk Spectre... Now that's a comic book superhero outfit! Nite Owl looks kickass and Comedian looks sleazy as shit. Very happy! These were posted at the official site, by the way (thanks for the heads up Gregory and Jed for the heads up!).
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Hrmm?
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Hell yeah.
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this looks incredibly fun. I can't wait.
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Not too crazy about Nite Owl and Ozymandis. I "get" that they're trying to parody current superhero costumes but....they look too much like current superhero costumes. Although the nipples on Veidt are a nice touch and an obvious dig on Schumacher. Rorschach and the Comedian look great though.
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Just as cool as I imagined they'd be. Only cooler. Stellar work by all involved!!!!!
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good for them, at least keep the ending in tack now....
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I was first.. and my first first ever.. and was aallll happy cause it's on Watchmen, my favorite comic. The page showed my 2 posts I had written out. I refresh and my posts are gone! lol oh well.. I'm stoked, the costumes look great!
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Maybe it'll look better on film, but dayum. Nite-Owl's looks a little like the Nolan-era Batman, which kind of makes sense, and Rorshach, Silk Spectre and the Comedian look dead-on.
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I'm excited.
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Looks like shit.
I knew Hollywood wouldn't make him fat.
Ozymandius looks like a kid and not a man looking to retire.
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should be right under the dark knight and iron man.
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Where's Dr. Manhattan?
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I was sad to see Jeffrey Dean Morgan leave SUPERNATURAL, but that image (almost) makes up for it. I can't wait for this one, regardless if it lives up to the comic or not. (And chances are it won't.)
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but where is Doc Manhattan as I think that's who people are most anxious about.
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here come the haters... lol I can't wait to sit back and read the vitriol that gets spewed on this one!
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Mar 06, 2008 12:21:35 AM CST
I'm really liking the direction this is taking...
by shut the fuck up donny
Nite Owl actually looks imposing, which I think will give more effect to the contrast between him and the "impotent" Hollis Mason. However, Ozymandis seems to be the weakest from these character shots. He definatley has some of the elements of the smarmy pretty-boy (particularly in the eyes and hair), but I think he needs to be a little more "chisled" in the style of Charles Atlas.
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Mar 06, 2008 12:23:49 AM CST
Didn't know they hired The Flaming Lips' Wayne Coyne to be the C
by the majestik moose
http://sneakmove.com/uploaded_images/waynecoyne022707-711852.jpg
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I was sorely reminded that Ozymandias was being played by a fucking kid. His costume isn't the problem guys, it's that prepubescent face. I for one LOVE the Nite Owl duds though... really carries over that sense of funhouse-mirroring the Batman archetype from the page version to the screen version.
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and where the hell is Doctor Manhattan?
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last I checked Doc Manhattan was on Mars! bad joke I know, just couldn't resist.
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...No fan of the comics book or anything, but thats some really great early promotional photos. That actually looks really fucking nice. Glad to hear Harry likes yet another boring Emmerich shitfest. I guess it was just the crowd and the atmosphere and shit, right?
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So this is a Mystery Men parody?
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Seriously, if there wasn't a pic of Rorschach, I might think these were shots from Superhero Movie.
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the director confirmed he is going to be CG. While I usually hate CG characters (I am Legend for example) I think this is one case, like Gollum, where it might work. A dude in blue paint would just be cheesy.
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Is it really necessary to have two Batman costumes in the one movie, really??? To be honest though, I'd be more worried about story problems in the third act than the costumes...
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No, more like Mystery Men was a parody of Watchmen. One of the problems with this whole project is that so many movies, comics and TV shows have ripped off elements from the original comic in the last 20 years that it will end up looking derivative to people who aren't familiar with it
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Looks great!
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"One of the problems with this whole project is that so many movies, comics and TV shows have ripped off elements from the original comic in the last 20 years that it will end up looking derivative to people who aren't familiar with it"
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'Scuse me, I have to clean myself up, but WOW! They looks DAMN GOOD! Excited...
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What in the fuck is taking so long? This is supposed to be the future we're living in.
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... is that all the art in the books was not just Dave Gibbons drawing in a vacuum, but reacting to the "dark" trend in comics for the few years prior to the writing of that book.
What you'll see in the film is obviously based on the book, but it's also just as much a comment on the superhero films of the last few years. So these costumes should make you think of the book, but they should also be a reaction to the way all superhero movies are designed now, and a deconstruction of that.
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Wow... especially the Comedian. They just took the look from the comic and WENT with it! This is what happens when filmmakers take the subject matter seriously and don't try to screw with what already works!I'm officially excited about this film now. :)
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I'm currently at the point where Rorscarch gets broken out of jail by Night Owl and Laurie if I'm not mistaken. And Dr. Manhattan talk about possibly saving earth while he's on Mars. I'm bad with names. talk about a really great read! I honestly don't know how they can turn this into some type of Blockbuster without pumping the material in the ass. The novel is extremely intelligent and deep without coming off as pretentious. I'm about to continue reading within the next few minutes. The pics look great!
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Man I hope they get this right!
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Hope it's better than 300.
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I really like the pic of the Comedian...looks like a swashbuckler with a shotgun.
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The Comedian looks so perfect i think I'm gonna cry.
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Is that the reason for Ozy's nipples?
The problem with that theory is that in the book those dark themes you are talking about were mocked by making heroes who were the opposite of their masked personalities...they were impotent fat sacks of insecurity, prudish and sexually frustrated women, inhuman monsters etc.
If you're gonna comment on movie heroes you have to do more than imitate what you see...you to actually MOCK it.
Which is why NITE OWL SHOULD BE FAT!!
They missed the entire point of the character. He's not "imposing" and he's not just Batman. He's a pathetic and fat old man who can't get it up, and has no self confidence. That image of him standing there with his arms crossed and looking "bad ass" is just a Hollywood superhero clone, not a "deconstruction" of that icon. -
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looks like MYSTERY MEN 2. haha. studio is screwed.
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way too dark and shiny
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simply the most useless tack on character in the comic. she does nothing but whine about everything.
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...they've sacrificed some story integrity in favor of cool looking costumes. Take Nite Owl for instance. How's he supposed to look paunchy and sort of pathetic in that? Feh.
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But not much of a superhero, that's for sure! (But she admits as much in the GN) Think of her revelation to Dr. Manhattan on Mars, or her relationship with Dan and you see how intrinsically important she is to the story...
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I have the same problem with Malin Ackerman as Silk Spectre. She's way too tall and pretty for the character. They needed someone more "plain." Carla Gugino could work as Ma, tho.
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What a bunch of horrible looking pictures.
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Both I and II represent women heroes.
Silk Specter I is a complete slut who does nothing but look pretty and pose for the camera. She's raped and beaten by the hero that is the truth-sayer.
Silk Specter II is a prude and sexually frustrated. She wears the costume of her slutty mother yet runs around preaching feminism. She hates the character that is the truth-sayer and she ends up cheating on her husband.
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the Comedian and Rorshach. But I am not familiar with the source material, so I my opinion is worthless. But damn, if Oxymandias doesn't look like he's facing down some Spartans... Uh, wait a sec.
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is box office poison. End of story. I'm sure the cast will be rounded out with wonderful middle-aged supporters and character actors (Have you SEEN the list of period faces they're casting?!). The main people have to be sexy and dynamic. And don't forget; you're all old now; Ozymandias wouldn't look young to you if you saw him when you first read the comic (I was 13). Now that I'm 32, everyone but Wilford Brimley looks like an adolescent.
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I'm as excited as a teenager in a strip club.
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I've just been rereading your visit to the Watchmen production offices when it was still going to be directed by Paul Greengrass. How do these costumes compare to the designs Greengrass and Kym Barrett were working on?
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Mar 06, 2008 1:25:08 AM CST
RE: a reaction to the way all superhero movies are designed now
by zaggnutt
My sentiments exactly. None of these characters were posers. They don't need the kevlar, nanofiber, body armor BS. The Nite Owl's costume was as bad ass as an Adam West Batman. But that's what makes Dan Drieberg so noble... he's an avarage joe in a world of supermen, trying to do what's right.
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Only in a hollywood Superhero flick.
In a movie adaptation of a book that was meant to rip apart superheroes (and is rumored to have tried to end the genre) you need to rip apart movies stereotypes. You need to take that which is holy and shit on it, and show it for the ridiculous, hollow, phallic substitute that it is. -
These are production stills though, Pariah. And even though Dan Dreiberg might have been a fat, pathetic, impotent loser in real life, you had better bet that when the costume went on and he found himself in the public eye, he would strike a heroic pose just like the one we see above. These are pictures of the characters as they want to be thought of (imposing, heroic) not who they are underneath.
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"These are pictures of the characters as they want to be thought of (imposing, heroic) not who they are underneath."
Where do you see that? I never saw that in the book either.
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she was made to marry the blue guy, just so at the end they could have that conversation on mars. the whole marriage thing is stupid anyway for the doc. i never understand that.
doc manhattan is simply too big, too smart, too powerful a character for anyone to write, even his genius creator. hence there lies the problem - you cant force a character like that into a plot structure without making him look dumbed down a bit. there are so many inconsistencies with that character - his last act to that masked fellow being the worst offender to me. completely unnecessary and was there just to force a downer ending. -
I think this movie just took what was holy (the comic book) and shit on it. I'm about as excited to watch this movie as I am excited to watch those Lost season recap episodes. The plot is intact, but the richness is gone. Now I understand why Alan Moore distances himself from every single movie adapation made.
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How do you do Manhattan ? Problem is he can't look human and he can't look like just a cheezy effect. But you absolutely have to believe in him as a real character albiet it one with astonishing powers.
Agree that Ozzy looks a trifle young and though it's a pretty good character design in a gothicy Egyptian kind of way I think the sort a dazzlingly bright royal purples and Blues of the original would be better suited perhaps.
Comedian looks spot on silk spectre does what she is supposed to (though yeah perhaps a shade too beautifull) Night Owl is intriguing. The parrallel was fairly obvious in the book but here it really is rubbing your face in it and shouting "Guess who this is!!!" Prefer the round owlish goggles myself and agree he can't appear superfit but must look gone to seed at some point. However there ARE times when donning the costume is supposed to turn back time for him and make him realise this was all he ever wanted and was meant to do so he must look badass then.
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Anyone else hoping to see these turned into posters.
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You don't think Dan Dreiberg used his Nite Owl identity as a way to hide his insecurities and indulge in his, ahem, sexual hang ups? He's posing in that pic. Get it? He's posing in every sense of the word. The photo doesn't have to be indicative of a badass. It can be just as easily interpreted as a middle aged guy who sucks in his gut, sticks out his chest and is trying real hard to look as badass as possible in his Owl costume. Because there are some silly aspects to the Nite Owl costume presented above. It's not as obviously badass as you are making it out to be. It is kind o
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Mar 06, 2008 1:48:58 AM CST
Love the feel but don't these look weirdly shopped to you guys..
by campkoala
Ozy's crotch is way too high, like they've moved it up to get it in the photo. Unless the actor has a reeeeeeally short spine that's got to be edited.
But it's Nite Owl that's confused me, why have they airbrushed in that ribcage line? If you remove it he clearly is chubby (as he should be) are the studio simply making these visual alterations to make cinema goers think they're lovely sexy superheroes they're going to see and not the past their prime, "laughable" characters that the fans know they'll be watching?
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sorry, accidentally hit the enter button. It is kind of a laughable get up if you really look at it. The shape of the mask and ears, and he does look doughy even with his sculpted muscle suit.
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Nite Owl and Silk Spectre did it in the owl ship - Dreiberg needed the costume and the alter ego (pictured) to get it up. I see no reason here to believe his Darkon-like wretchedness will be missing.
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Doc Manhattan's going to be the coupe de gras, looking forward to that press shot, expectations are running high now. Cool as shit so far!
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That is 100% awesome. And we didn't have to wait for Comicon to see it. Fuck the haters.
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he didn't go to art school. he's a nerd who studies birds. that's why when he designed his costume, it looks corny and makes him look like a clown. the costume in the comic is entirely in character. the movie costume is too cool for him. nite owl's not a badass, for pete's sake.
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Of all the design mishaps I feared about this flick, Nite Owl was the most obvious. I was very anxious about the way they'd portray it. And I'm not a wannabe exegete, I'm clearly a noob when it comes to Watchmen (I'm still stuck on page 14 actually, out of fear of not liking it - so the 2009 release date doesn't bother me at all^^), but still I smelled the pedestrian design a mile away. You can't possibly imagine how glad I am to be proven wrong. Go for it, Snyder!
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I always thought Manhaatans actions at the end was doing that character a favour as he had no place in the Brave New World and probably knew it. Hence he seemed to want it in the end and, lets face it, his fate was sealed by the most powerfull being in that world so it's kind of fitting. (Though I felt he should have got the better of Ozzy at some point because his utterly unpredictable super power of insanity and inhuman uncompromising conviction should have trumped the coldly logical Ozzy even if just for a short time.(IMHO)
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but nite owl looks great, rorshack already scares the shite out of me...and i just got wood looking at the silk spectre
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not the middle aged ones....ergo, nite owl aint fat...the comedian only has the eye mask, not the full one and ozy still has nipples
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...it's the dumb-faced actor that bothers me more. I saw Jeff Dean Morgen in an Accidental Husband clip and thought, yes - that could be the Comedian. But, come on.... this guy as Ozymandias? I'm not convinced. The Owlship looks about right.
I hope this does not all come off like a cheap Xmen/Batman ripoff.
Shakes the Clown kinda nailed it when he said "Mystery Men 2."
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check your book again.
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he was trying to protect humanity. he saw a threat, and he does what he has to. the way it was told, i dont see it any other way. kindness is beyond doc's character. which brings up another problem... why would he bother to try protect the world anyway, since he obviously could care less about it?
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Actually, I think the costume and the actor's face are fine. I think it's just the weird lighting in this particular image. We shall see.
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Having checked the piccies available in all of em the inkblots are fixed in that pattern so unless it's done in post that's how the mask will be throughout the movie.
Mixed feelings about that as the ever changing blots was a genius idea and as creepy as it gets BUT they may have tried it and found that just didn't translate to the sceen as well, as in how fast does it change and how fluid are the patterns etc.
Meh. Even without a changing blot Rorschach will creep people out and who knows perhaps he will get the changing mask in the end ?
Ozzy still didn't look like that young or old and I always thought his colour template should be the Tutankahmun mask, Regal, Imposing, Powerfull, Wise, etc.. there should be no hint of Darkness about him whatsoever, that's important for the plot not just aesthetics. -
Just so we're all Clear. This movie is made for FANS, and those who can remember that the 80's wasnt just a time bedazzled jackets and MTV.Nuclear weapons and the end of the world and it's Doomsday clock ticked with certainty.This story is Not for children who "loooved" Spiderman or the fantastically-shitty 4, or anything else that could be easily sold in a 15 second trailer on TV. This is an adult story with adult themes, Geared at..say What? Adults?! So who gives a SHIT if Niteowl looks too much like a badass? Or Ozy isnt exactly as depicted in the book. If thats all you care about than sod-off and go back to reading your "One more day" or whatever retarded convoluted -sp?- childish comic "event" is being Shatted out with 5 different varient covers. Because What should matter is the Story. an Boy is it a Fucking story. It's one for Adults.
Also, to ease the nitpickers, Did any of you see "Dollar Bills" costume...I'm thinking The Nightowl above is to show the growth and hardness that had to be adopted through out the course of the story? I dig Snyders approach and respect that. I mean christ i'm happy as hell it isnt Tim Burton or Rob Zombie. Jesus could you imagine that? Lets not. Lets hope we never have too. -
so they arent gonna put the comedian in the goofy suit....but after nam he wore a full s&m mask...remember the scar? i know my watchmen
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Stupidest phrase to have caught on in the history of the Internet (and that includes "sexiest tomboy beanpole!"). If that's the best you comeback you have, then you might as well just not post it at all. I'm thinking of trying to popularize "You don't like what I like and that makes me angry!" At least that way there'll be less misunderstandings.
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The Watchmen comic plays out in different time periods....
The main one is the "present" (1985)where Rorscharch investigates The Comedians death...the other timelines show our heros in various ages and incarnations...so...yes we wil see the heros when they started out when they where kids..Comedian was 16 when he began his crime fighting day's, same with Ozzy,Manhaten, etc...so yes we will see a skinny NightOwl and a kid like Ozzy..
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And not good girl nipples. Black plastic man nipples.
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I'm not sure how much of this is true. I think I heard Snyder say that the characters were going to "age" in an interview, but how much is another question. I doubt they'll put Patrick Wilson in a fat suit for "Older Nite-Owl," for example, and that's Matthew Goode in that photo of Ozymandias, and he IS really young. I don't think he's even in his thirties. There's not a lot they can do to make him look older or younger than he is because his age range isn't as flexible as an older man's.
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SPOILY SPOILY SPOILY*******
montessaurus if you know the book you should know your question is redundant. Or in short BOTH!
I don't think Manhattan was doing it for the world I think the last real human connection he had was to Laurie and he decided to return and do what he did as a favour to her. I think Manhattan was simply tidying up loose ends before he left and Rorschach was one of them. He could have wiped his mind of the memory, done unimaginable things to prevent Rorschach from leaving or revealing the secret such was his power but he looked into his eyes and did what Rorschach wanted him to do. And remember Manhattan as much as tells Ozzy the secret will outanyway before he goes.
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Interviewed Zack Snyder at Comic-Con last year and he said the mask morphed there... at least that's what his intention was at the time. We'll see what ends up in the movie.
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The movie is a different medium. It will never be exactly like the book. At the end of the day if it is a good movie then job done regardless of the intricacies of costume design or overall feel BUT be in no doubt there's a reason people get perhaps a touch obsessive about the book. No matter how amazing the film is (or isn't) my advice will always be get the book as it's quality is unquestioned and not up for speculation or second guessing.
If that's Ozzy at the very end then there's a very good reason for him to suddenly appear menacing for instance and yeah alot of this is guessing and speculation because of the time periods too but I'll be seeing this as already the signs are this will be at the very least an intriguing take and perhaps even a brilliant Movie to boot. -
I'm only basing what I said on the promo pictures available and the mask looks identical in all those pictures.
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when i scrolled down to see the Comedians face it instantly brought a smile to my face, and i'm really impressed by all of them (except Ozymandias which seems a bit OTT). And i love the contrasty, 70s look of the images.. gritty, cool.. this has really made more excited to see this... teaser trailer next huh? let's hope they understand what a TEASER trailer should be.
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Snyder told how he intented to do this in this interview : http://watchmencomicmovie.com/021408-zack-snyder-watchmen-interview.php
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Re: what I said about the third act. Pulled out David Hayter's old draft of the script. It replaced the original climax with an unimpressive James Bond-esque sequence. Whilst Sam Hamms old draft utilized time travel! So what have Tse, Kutzman and Orci brought to the table???
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seriously
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Alot. Lift some weights dude. They all look great except Ozy and Nite Owl probably looked better if it looked more ridiculous as it was described in the comic.
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that Silk Spectre is a goddess, but I want to see the girl who runs Veidt.com in her cosplay version of the suit
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What the fuck? Man Rorschach looks just fucking perfect. but what the fuck were they thinking with ozy.
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because Batman begins deconstructed it by making a fucking drama about a superhero, throwing every convention out the window and making a whole different type of movie, but this seems more like deconstructing fantastic four and other stuff.
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adam west's batman's back in action.
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thank you mr snyder, so happy with all of them. especially the comedian!!! looks just how id want him to.
I think moriarty's comment is spot on, watchmen was meant to be a commentary on popular comic books, so the film should do likewise for comic book movies.
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One of the greatest characters ever invented in the history of the earth.
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Mar 06, 2008 4:24:35 AM CST
Fuck. Just crapped in my pants. All you haters go watch fantasti
by se7en
Yeah. You all probably didn't even read the book.
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Making a comparison like that you must retards.
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I hope not.
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..was my first though on hearing it had finally gotten the green light, and now that I've seen the costumes, I'm cautiously, pleasantly optimistic. Ok, so Ozy isn't quite right (too young and not 'Mom's apple pie' enough - where was Ricky Schroder?), but Nite Owl and Laurie are aces - not at all what I was expecting and not obsessively 'geek faithful' - great stuff. However, Eddie Blake and Rorshach absolutely rock! What can I say, but BRING IT ON!
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David Fincher. The only American who understands the importance of DIRT. Lots of dirt on everything. And did any film ever get recent period detail so effortlessly as Zodiac; it was so perfect that i expected a 45 year old George C Scott to walk into shot any minute.
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I agree he does. In fact all those pics do.
But isn't the point that Nite Owl *isn't* kickass. Nite Owl is a dweeby guy, albiet one with a bag of cool tricks. This pic looks like how Nite Owl would like to see himself, how he would like others to see him. But it isn't how Nite Owl is.
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Looks hot as hell!! I freakin love it!! I just picked up the graphic novel and I'm loving the writing and the story is damn deep. I hope this gets an R rating, there are just some elements from the book, that if kept in tact in the film, would warrant it and I'm all in.
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...I wish I was, I really do, but most of those designs look, well, pretty fucking silly really. Rorschach is great, Silk Spectre is fine, but Night Owl looks like too much of a modern movie Batman knockoff (the Owlship behind him looks great though), Comedian looks like he just stepped out of an old Roger Corman Mrvel movie he's so cheesy looking, and Ozymandias looks like an abandoned design from 300 vs The Chronicles Of Riddick. Hopefully in context of the film it'll all work better, but right now I'm just not feeling it. And I really wish I could say different, because I do have high hopes for this film...
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Maybe they should rename the character Blutowl.
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man, these are dead on. I love that they all look kinda cheesy. 'cause hey, it's superheroes... they are supposed to look cheesy. I think they did a good job on the imagery. ozy could use a bit more muscle though.
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And will we be able to see his blue wiener and balls every now and then like in the comic?
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... echoing xavier masterson's comment, I'd love to hear your opinion on these costumes compared to what you saw of Greengrass' project. I was always intrigued by how they were apparently going to do Doc Manhatten live-action with special filters.
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i already knew there would be a ton of haters in here saying so and so looks gay, or that looks retarded, or blah blah....but wtf ever!! i am totally blown away....i was always worried what ozymandius would look like, cause lets face it, he did always look kinda gay in the graphic novel....so i actually think they did one hell of a job making him look a little more badass.
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That being said I still don't think the actor fills out the costume in this particular shot, but we have to realize that he's not in costume most of the book.
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...I think these images are of The Watchmen in their prime. It will be interesting to see how they develop the costumes when the characters are older and dealing with the death of The Comedian. Of course the Nite Owl will be older, put on weight, and feel his age as his impotence weighs him down as a man and superhero. I think these retro images have a sense of tongue in cheek about them as the wholeback story of the Watchmen wa told with some irony. It is very hard to adapt dark graphic novels aimed at adults in Hollywood. They come across as diluted versions with no real sense of irony or take the barebones of the source material and when translated are so loose that they lose the fans and are indifferent to auidences. Yes I am talking about Tank Girl and Judge Dread. I hope Watchmen will be different.
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Kill yourself and take your ritalin pills.
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Cause that'll be the exact number of people who actually buy tickets for this. They're, for the most part, spot-on. But why did I just lose a little hope? And funny, they left out Manhattan. Don't want the non-fans to laugh any harder I guess.
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Everybody looks good except Ozy who seem's to be saying " WTF am I doing?"
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Ozymandias looks way cool. Actually they all look pretty cool. Heh. Night Owl's costume puts all cinematic Batmans to shame.
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you completely missed the point of the comic ehh?
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I predict he'll wear his speedo's throughout the film to protect his dignity. As for the costumes they're prefect. I'm a long time fan of the books (read it first time it was printed and I still own my first edition GN). They'll never create the feel of the book largely due to John Higgins psychotic colour pallette but if it's a third as good as the book I'll still be happy to watch it.
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Haven't noticed anyone comment on 'Archie' yet. The design is spot-on.
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...all the costumes? They ain't that bad, mind you... but I guess I'm just a purist and would've prefer they stayed closer to the book's designs. Oh well... whatcha gonna do, right?
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Exactly what point in the timeline these pictures are from...(with the Comedian its obvious) Is that Night Owl from when he first began crimefighting... or are we supposed to believe that it is fat old Night Owl... Is that Ozy from the end... will he be brighter in his crim fighting days? etc etc etc...
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...Schneider the building super finally lost it.
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..in the life action thing. Lets face it Rohrschach will own every scene his in... IF its done right. I dont like rubber abs by the way... george cloney comes to my mind and alicia silverstone and the fact that i really went to the cinema back then. Oh and they should have made NightOwl fat...at least a bit. Other than that...bring it on.
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I think they all look great. They nailed everyone except for the Nite Owl. He's supposed to look a little pudgy and out of shape. Unless these shots are from the flashback part of the storyline. This is why I thought Cusack would have been a much better choice for the role of Dan Dreisberg. I think that's his name.
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Why do you think this is a comment about the superhero films of the past few years? Did you get that from Snyder?
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Count me in as a detractor. I still think Snyder is crazy for even trying this. But I'll be damned if those costumes aren't badass. Especially when you take into account Moriarty's comment about the original costumes from the comic reacting to comic heroes at the time. I think that they all look great and are very close to the comic for the exception of Night Owl. I still need to see more to turn me around. Until then, I still wouldn't mind if the sets caught on fire and the whole project got shelved. And it's obvious that these are shots of the young Watchmen.
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What the fxck is going on with the costumes for Night Owl and Ozymandias???It`s fxckin Batman and Robin FFS!!!
I was looking forward to this,now I don`t know..
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Should be chemically castrated. You sound like a whiny, upper-class, constantly-texting, 11-year-old girl.
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Thank you Thank you, I was reminded of Snyder when I was lookin at his pic, but I couldn't get the name outta my head LOL AAhhhh closure...
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1... 2.... 3.... MEH!
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Malin Akerman looks a little too young and skinny; a brunette Natasha Henstridge would have been my pick. I can't really complain about the look, although Ozymandias appears a little too slight as well. The question will always be what can be packed into a 2-2.5 hour movie.
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*starts singing "this is it, this is it, this is life the one you get so go and have a ball"*
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Maybe it was played out in 2003 when the word "Haterade" got said for the 1000th time on Sportscenter. Next up for the endless pop culture recyclotron: those endless fucking LOLCats permutations.
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who are the actors?
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Considering the trade paperbacks for WATCHMEN are still selling in huge numbers every month twenty years later, I think it's safe to say there's a healthy built-in audience.
Here's hoping the first trailer looks just as promising whenever it arrives...Go, Zack, GO!
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While Watchmen was certainly colorful, it wasn't some slick, Joel Schumacher-esque MTV vibe, which is what I get from these here pics. It would have been much cooler to go with something a little grittier.
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But Watchmen characters are not cool, they are loosers. I mean, that Nite Owl looks like a badass motherfucker, and the original is a poor guy.
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Malin Akerman as Laurie Juspeczyk aka Silk Spectre
Billy Crudup as Jon Osterman, aka Dr. Manhattan
Matthew Goode as Adrian Veidt, aka Ozymandias
Jackie Earle Haley as Walter Kovacs, aka Rorschach
Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Edward Blake, aka the Comedian
Patrick Wilson as Dan Dreiberg, aka Nite Owl
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Why can't people see that?
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Comedian looks rugged and tough like Wolverine and Nick Fury had a baby. Awesome!
Ozy is supposed to be human perfection, so why wouldn't he look young for his age. Great set and costume design for his faux-Egyptian world he creates for himself.
Someone said Rorschach was too clean...but the entire photo is mostly black and dark colors so I think they got it right...and I guarantee his face morphs, it is integral to the story.
Silk Spectre II looks a little Jean Grey, but I don't mind that...and I think she is one of the keys to the whole story and connection between characters past and present.
Nite Owl looks chubby enough. In the book he looks round in the middle, but still pretty beefy and strong looking. I think the costume is kind of a way for him to suck it in a bit. His ship is spot on.
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hope they dont show Manhattan at all before the movie starts, keep the suspense.
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Actually Gibbons was kind of doing something not yet done because this book along with dark knight started the "gritty" comics blow up of the 80's. This does look like a good take on the book though curious about how the good doctor will look.
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mehh...UH..no. COOL !!
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Which pics are you looking at? These aren't very colorful...I mean in terms of "Schumacher-esque MTV vibe". I don't see how the Comedian looks NOT gritty. And in regards to how they look "too cool"...Guys, how many of you actually read the graphic novel? They certainly LOOK cool but they AREN'T. Not that I'm saying everyone should read the TPB before you walk in the theatre, but at least have an idea, wikipedia this shit or something before you shoot it down. They're all inherently human (especially Manhattan), despite how they look, what they're capable of. Those of you bitching about the film (which will probably be quite close to the comic in terms of story) most likely either haven't read the TPB, have never seen 300, or are ridiculously superficial. Now I know the first two are unlikely in this TB. Get over these slightly underwhelming character designs. You will look past them when you actually see the actors in motion, spouting Moore's words from their mouths.
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you know it.
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Huzza!
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Wtf?
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Funny cause if he's supposed to look lame, it still looks better than Batman's outfit
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THANKS FOR THE KICKASS NEW OUTFIT, SNYDER! I only look a LITTLE gay.
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isn't paunchy is that you can't sell a paunchy action figure and that what they want this movie to do: sell product.
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I read a comment that it has to be middle aged Comedian, because of the suit, Nightowl has no gut, etc. But remember, even for characters like Night owl we see them age over the course of nearly 20 years in the story, and Comedian we see over the course of 40. Remember it tells the story of two full generations of heros. These may just be shots of the characters in their primes. You have to admit the general movie going public who knows nothing about the story would kind of go "what the hell" if the first publicity photos showed a chubby superhero and a guy in a bondage mask. This suit does fit the comedian circa 1960's pre vietnam and his scaring he would have had some gray by then as well.
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more atmospheric, with a real dark mood on it. Comparing this with the realistic vision of Nolan; i would choose Zack's vision. I have to wait another 20 years for another new Batman. Damn.
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Hope this is the look when they were all together, hence the no flab.
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NAHHH
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Awesome otherwise.
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oh shit!
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has said anything about this one yet? Is his name going to be on the final picture, or has he disowned this too? I remember reading around the time V for Vendetta came out that David Lloyd said something like Alan Moore wouldn't be happy with anything less than a Sin City/300-style adaptation of his books, a panel-by-panel sort of thing. This is looking pretty close to that, so I'm curious what Alan Moore's thoughts are on it.
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And people said these pics look better than Wanted's trailer? What are you fanboys smoking? Especially that Ozyfozzy. He looks like he's at his coming out party. And what's with Deflatermaus? Or is it Batmanuel?
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Really fucking impressed. This might actually work. I can't believe it, but it might work.
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The others, okay. I'd have to see them in action. Nite Owl doesn't look home-made and threadbare enough though.
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*SPOILERS MAYBE*
Are they still using the jacked up "happy ending" script that ruins the characters of Nite Owl and Ozymandias?
These costumes lead me to believe that they are. Nite Owl is gonna be Batman in this movie and save the day, huh? I didn't want to believe that's what they did...but this look for him makes me think they went ahead with that. -
WILL NOT have his name associated with this film.
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I agree that I miss NiteOwl as fat. I also wish they picked someone with a big chin for Ozymandias, more like the typecast "Superman". I don't mind if Ozy looks gay (which he does). Gay-looking is good, but he should look like he can never pass a mirror without looking into it, and like he kicks sand at wimps at a beach. Nevertheless, these are just pictures, I'm quite interested in how the movie comes out anyway. I remember how everyone complained Jackman was too tall for Wolverine, but hey, he works for me.
As for the ending, they've been screwing with endings for years (I Am Legend becomes "I am savior of the world").
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Yesterday because I've never read it. Not a big graphic novel kind of guy. I guess I realized that when I wasn't reading any of my decent sized collection of comic books and that I needn't progress to graphic novels. What I am getting at here is, a little description of who is who? Which character is which and what actor is playing them. I mean I get to read a brief description of every movie the Apatow crew has been in, every day when there is a new post about their work. Its like AICN gets $8 every time they mention a Apatow movie. That or maybe Harry should create a required reading/watching list every six months, so we can be in the know. Though I think the problem was already brought up, but I would not be upholding TB law if I were not to bitch and complain. Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
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Of all the pics, Silk Spectre is the worst. She's unnecessarily posing. That shit better not be in the movie. Posturing does not work here. The best pic is for The Comedian b/c it's an action shot that could conceivably be in the flick.
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Alan moore said this in an interview with Wizard:
Moore told Wizard, ”I got a piece of paper—they must’ve learned something from the V for Vendetta debacle. I got a piece of paper a couple of months ago saying, “I, the undersigned, hereby give you permission to take my name off of the film and to send my money to Dave Gibbons.” So I sent that back to them all signed and sealed, which means that now I don’t have to rant and spew about the film.”
So, does this mean Moore isn’t holding out much hope for Zach Snyder’s adaptation? No – actually Moore just doesn’t care. ”I’m just simply not interested in it. Dave phoned me up, and it’s always nice to talk to Dave, but he understands that I’m not really interested in “Watchmen.” So when he phoned, he asked me if I was interested in being kept up to date on it, and I was saying, “Well, it’s always nice to talk to you, but not really.” I don’t really know much about it. I believe that it’s going ahead. I won’t be watching it, obviously.”
so unfortunately the answer is no! atleast for now! i mean the guy has been so burned by hollywood i can't really blame his attitude, but i hope that he maybe just doesn't want to get his hopes up for this one, but secretly hopes there finally be a faithful adaptation of his work. That said, i liked V for Vendetta alot, it just wasn't the graphic novel in style.
I remember Zach Snyder said, that his biggest hope is that Alan Moore watches it and says, 'you know what. That wasn't so bad.'
Here's to hoping, I've got the faith, everything i've seen so far points to a great movie.
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I don't understand the bitching about Nite Owl - I think he looks fine. I think they'll be going for a clear difference between how he is without the costume on and how it changes him once he puts it on. He becomes the forceful person he couldn't be without it. I think it will make for a nice contrast - sure he looks badass but the person inside the constume really isn't. Think all the others look good - and Watchmen was always far more about the person in the costume than the costume itself, so stills of the characters really doesn't prove anything. Except that the Owlship looks freekin sweet!
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It would be easier if you just went out and read the graphic novel. It's okay if you don't normally like them...because this one kicks them all in the crotch.
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Comedian, Ozymandias, Rorschach, Silk Spectre II, Nite Owl. Nice Idiocracy ref. And too the guy who said he hopes they are going to follow the GN's ending, if they don't, then what is the whole fucking point of this?!!!!!
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think Quint was mainly talking about the costume dude, not the pose! but still im down with the image, there has to be some kind of pose for promo image. but again agree with you on the comedian one, definitely the best! looks perfect!
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We only see Night Owl act as a crime fighter in two scenes in the book, one he and Comedian quell a riot in the 70's in which Owl's in his ship the whole time and the second is when he and Rorschach go into the bar to get info on the "mask killer," and Dan hears the Hollis is dead. He became a bad ass very quickly. In the end people take the bitch slapping that he takes as a sign of him being a pussy, but I don't think that's the point of it. He was a man trained to fight street thugs who did it for 10 or 15 years and did it well, but in the end he is so completely out of his depth. This isn't a bank robbery this is world altering, involving the life and death of millions. And an opponent that is the height of physical perfection and martial arts skill. Just because the guy gets his ass kicked in that situation doesn't mean he's a lightweight, he was just in over his head.
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im sure theres a video interview with snyder saying, yes its going to be in the 80s, yes its going to be a long movie, 3hrs+, yes were going for an R, and yes the original ending is in. oh and he said about the black freighter. this was a long time ago back when he was promoting 300, but i don't think he'd budge on a single one of those!
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As an add on for the DVD fine, but I feel it just going to ruin the pacing of the movie. Not for me mind you, but for people who never read the book.
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Somebody posted an interview with Snyder which stated that he fetishised the Nite Owl and Silk Spectre costumes, because that's the type of thing comic book films do nowadays. So it's simply a reflection of that.
The costumes themselves look good. Nite Owl does look pretty round in the middle. The rib line looks like it could go in, which'd make him look skinnier, or it could coming outward to give him a bit of a stomach. Who knows. The Comedian looks excellent, as does Rorchach. I look forward to seeing how the mask works out. Cannot wait to see how this turns out. -
The portrayals so far seem somewhat faithful. We'll need to see a trailer for further determination.
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are you fucking crazy? reboot Nolan's drama and real film take on batman. thank god you are not involved in the industry.
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regardless how good this is, he just isn't in to movies like other humans. He likes reading.
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And growing out the beard! Beard maintenance = 78% of Moore's free time when not writing.
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Yeah ever since Harry posted that pic/web site link to the poster with the bleeding smilie face I've been interested in Watchmen. I think I'll have to pick it up. Trying to decide though if this is going to end up being a movie where if you've read the original story you won't like it, or it won't make sense if you haven't read the story. Or the story and the movie are one in the same like 300. Does Alan Moore not want this movie to happen just like all of his other ones as well? Like I've said I've never any of his stuff, but I've fliped though a lot of it and From Hell seemed like it was a pretty close realization.
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I may sound like a hater but I am really only commenting on the pics as I see them...it could turn out to be look completely different in the film.
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The backgrounds as well as the characters are brilliant. I do think Ozymandias should look more like a young Robert Redford, bright and shining, apparently untouched by all the dirt of being a superhero. Matthew Goode looks like he just got out of rehab. Perhaps that will be different in the film.
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would've looked better and also been metatextual to being one of the most famous guys on the planet.
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The Sphinx is the only connection in that image to Ozymandias. Maybe the single most important character onscreen is miscast AND miscostumed.
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If they don't keep it, and replace it with some dumb ass solar laser gun or something, all this will be for naught.
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I sincerely doubt he will be in that costume the whole movie. Probably only a tiny bit.
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Mar 06, 2008 10:36:13 AM CST
Comedian looks like the lead singer of the Flaming Lips
by kid idioteque
But I don't know his name.
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Everyone except for Ozyamdias looks pretty much spot-on. Why the nipples on Ozy? Looks kind of young there too, but I'll wait and see. Comedian, Rorschach, Silk Spectre and Nite Owl look amazing.
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He's a bit too much, isnt he? Like nobody has a right to do variations of his public and paid for creations?
Sure they made a cheap thrill out of LxG but taking into regard the faithfulness of Snyder's 300 and the way this is shaping up...Moore gonna have to admit adaptations are possible. -
My guy insists that the mask morphs throughout the film through CGI just as it did in the books...
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...is still a mystery. My guy at SIW knows nothing of it, so if it is in fact being done as Snyder said a while back, it has to be getting done as 2D cel animation outside of SIW. I hope it's being done, I think it would be a great add-on for the DVD...
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last i heard was gerard butler said hes voicing it, but its going to be done in black and white japanese anime style for the dvd. im cool with it being animated, don't quite see the point of it being japanese anime style- doesn't quite fit in with the rest of the style. but i'll hold fire on it for now...
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Just my opinion, but I think doing it Anime-style would be the dumbest thing possible. A lot of time is spent in the book talking about the style of art and the artist responsible for it. I am going to barf if they do it as anime. Man, that would just plain suck...
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it was from an empire online article:
"And, speaking to Empire just the other day, he told us that he had committed to the project.
“I’m going to do the voice of the captain,” said Butler. “They’re going to do it in the style of a Japanese anime and I’m totally stoked."
Let's hope he misinterpreted it, and someone said 'we're going to do an animated section like the japanese anime part in kill bill', and he just took it the wrong way.......maybe?....please?.....
Zach?.....you listening?
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for the original group of Minutemen? It's a tough look to pull off regardless. I'm very happy with what's here so far. Give it an 8 out of 10, but lighting/poses probably play into it. Think about how this could have went -- x-men black leather jumpsuits or power ranger metal armor for everyone because that's easier for audiences to comprehend...
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...the costumes to look very cheesy for the most part, as though they were created by these individuals. I like them, but they do seem a little more polished than I might have idealized. Ah well, I can always re-read the books!
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I full heartedly agree with Moore on this one. Just leave the Watchmen alone, especially if Zack Snyder is the best you can come up with. 300 was one of the biggest wastes of time I've had at a theater. If I do see Watchmen you can be sure I'll download it.
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I knew as soon as I saw that Ozymandias has nipples on his suit, that there would be all sorts of whining and Joel Schumacher referencing. That's become such a cliche! Grow a fucking imagination and realize that what doesn't work for one character might be just the thing for another. I think nipples make total sense for Ozymandias. He's a narcissistic celebrity with a god complex. He designs his regalia to make him look like a mythological figure. Like a statue. Check out Michelangelo's David, for instance. It has nipples. Fucking Luddites.
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...if maybe Ozy isn;t gold because it looked terrible in testing or something. I can understand the mentality of his character leading to the nipples on the suit, but I still think unles there was a damn good reason, he should have had the gold suit. Just my opinion though. Other than that and the 'too perfect' appearance of them, I like these.
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Mar 06, 2008 11:16:32 AM CST
bacci, I pray you are right about this being the young watchmen
by theredtoad
because the readers will know that there are seperations between the YOUNG watchmen fighting crime and the OLDER ones.The costumes, to me, look a little off. Comedian is done excellent, and so is Rorschach. but where are the poignant colors of Nite Owl's and Ozymandias' costumes?The themeing for each character is good too (the Egyptian head behind Ozymandius). I guess it's just weird seeing my most beloved comic characters being brought to life and seeming so different.Although my faith with Snyder remains and this movie, box office or not, will kick our motherluvin asses.
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Fuck this movie
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Has some low-angle lighting in front, which gives me the impression that his gut is actually bulging out a little. Plus, isn't that a zipper running right down the middle there? I'll bet we get to see the 1985 Nite Owl struggling with that. In fact, it was probably included in the design for just that purpose.
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Most of this pedantic, banal nitpicking merely proves that you can’t please everybody. These costumes are a very, very literal adaptation of the comic yet you still have people bemoaning even the smallest alterations. The one thing that many people simply cannot get through their collective heads is that spandex doesn’t look good on film, period. Aesthetically, these costumes are dead on save a few necessary adjustments for the medium and that in turn suggests Snyder is serious about doing a literal and faithful adaptation of the comic. Some of you are going to piss and moan no matter what and that’s fine but calling this out as “Mystery Men 2” is ridiculous. Also, for all we know, Night Owl’s outfit hides a paunch which makes a hell of a lot of sense when you think about it. Even if it doesn’t, the character having a gut isn’t the defining “flawed” trait of that hero, despite what some of you are claiming.
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Mar 06, 2008 11:22:43 AM CST
Homophobic pricks; did you READ the same comic book i did
by sepulchrave
Ozymandias wears an outfit in that book that looks like a gold-plated robot that works in a Law Vegas bar. Plus, I'm pretty sure that Ozy is meant to be a homosexual albeit a genius; Moore is bisexual, active in the homosexual rights movement and VERY fond of gay characters in his work and there is no hint of a female love interest for the genius megalomaniac.
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...like the flamboyant gold suit from the books would more accurately portray your 'Gay Ozy' theory? Just asking...
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Where did you get that Ozy was gay in the book? I'm trying to remember if there was something mentioned or inferred.
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Especially all these people bitching about stuff when they haven't even read it. But let's face it the production looks spectacular. The real test will be the acting, editing, and pacing of the final product.
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...no memory at all of anything at all in the book that suggested he was gay. Re-read them twice since I found this was coming out too, but I don't remember anything.
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Anyone complaining or cracking jokes obviously has not read the book. Now, while yes, the movie is "mainstream" as in anyone can see it, those who truly appreciate it like myself are the fans. The rest of the world, the ones that think superhero costumes look 'silly' when taken from the page to the screen...this movie is not for them. Yes, they can go see it at their local multiplex, but they won't get it the same way a fan would. So fine, crack the jokes, some of them are pretty funny...but the movie isn't for you. -
If I had to guess that would be Ozy from the end. Because throughout most of the book, he's in his office or in flashbacks when the Watchmen are meeting. There aren't any giant Sphinx statues behind him. Yes and the Comedian does look badass. I want to see him fighting in Nam with the blue man.
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Kids....and I DO mean kids. I'm probably Lazurus Long today..."The Senior" by having lived over 50 years..so far! That said, I have read Watchmen many times, had long, detailed discussions with many other fans, and have hoped I'd see this as a movie before I check out of this fleabag called Earth. Most of you quibbling over "Nite Owl isn't fat" or "looks too badass" and plain versus pretty girls are just wasting electrons. You don't really have a clue. I saw the George Reeves Superman TV series IN FIRST RUN. Same with Star Trek, Lost In Space, The Prisoner, and so on. And most importantly, I was connected to what ELSE was happening in the world. I'm a VietNam vet. I was having a drink at the NCO Club when Richard Nixon resigned. We needed heroes and we were getting...Dick. In every sense of the word. Watchmen is a brilliant work, especially if you READ it instead of just drooling on the "purty pictures". I have a LOT of confidence this will be a very good to amazing movie. Personally, I don't care if every TBer out here pisses on the posters in front of the theatre; I'll be inside, watching the Watchmen.
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most appealing things about the characters in the comics is that some of them realized how silly they looked in their costumes. I think Silk Spectre and the original Nite Owl really make fun of themselves about that. They even tell the story about on hero's cape, Dollar Bill, getting caught in a revolving door while he's trying to thwart a bank robbery. This is one of the things that the Incredibles used for a bit.
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Ninja Nerd. I too look forward to enjoying the film for what it is. The book will always be there whether or not I like the movie. You are never going to please everyone and if they made this a literal panel by panel film of the book, the audience would be relatively tiny. Hollywood is, after all, a business town and they are producing this film to turn a profit. I hope a lot of fans can at least give this thing a go and not just stomp their feet over nipples on a suit or whatever and use that as the reason they always look for to be 'holier than thou' and not spend the 8 or 9 bucks to at least watch before they pass judgment...
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Mar 06, 2008 11:54:22 AM CST
They've done an excellent job of bringing the movie to life
by snookeroo
It's just that this book works best as a comic -- the story won't translate well to the screen. Everyone is going to say this is an "Incredibles" rip-off.
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Dem some nice pictures.
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Mar 06, 2008 12:01:00 PM CST
And that my friend is because "Everyone" is an idiot.
by reel american hero
Why does it matter what everyone will think about the movie. The fact is, if you're a fan, you'll buy into it, if you're open to this kind of story, then you'll be into it. And for those that think it's going to be a piece of shit, then let them. "Everyone" also thinks that 'According To Jim' is funny, but that doesn't make it so. -
Holy balls. This is incredible. They found a perfect guy, and a perfect damned costume...My take on Nite Owl, is that it's from his actual past, when he wasn't a fat loser, when he still stood for something. Remember there are young versions of both Owl and Spectre. The Comedian is AMAZING, best from the page to final filmed material since the Spider-Man costume. Badass.
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...also thought Friends 'rocked', Old Navy 'is the shit', and 'Nickelback's last album is super sweet!' This ain't their movie...
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Mar 06, 2008 12:10:09 PM CST
Pet peeve time: Graphic novels and comics are the SAME THING
by jacobkosh
It's like nails on chalkboard every time I see people writing stuff like "I haven't read the graphic novel, but I'm going to buy the graphic novel tomorrow at the graphic novel store!" It's like calling movies "motion pictures" - if you did it three times in one sentence, you'd sound like a goon.
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**These costumes are a very, very literal adaptation of the comic**
Are you on crack? Better read the book again. Ozy is way different, and Spectre is fairly different too.
As far as Ninja Nerd...
Fuck you. Cuz you served in Nam means I don't know dick about Watchmen?
I think a lot of us are just commenting on the pictures and not being "haters" or whining. I have made no judgments yet about the quality of the movie's story.
So you're old? So fucking what?! I'm old too, maybe not as old as you but I am connected with what is going on NOW and it ain't much different. I have literally studied Watchmen. I have degree in art history and comics and graphic novels were part of that course of study. I literally wrote a 15 page paper on the book.
So kiss my ass with your condescension. You know as much about Watchmen as any fan. You like and draw analogies to your own experiences...I did the same and so have all of the fans.
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I can't put my finger on it. Costume looks perfect, but the head/smile ... doesn't look right. I can't explain it, it looks like the head tapers too much as it approaches the chin ... I don't know. Something about it bugs me.
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Literally, those things are synonymous to those who don't partake. Just like 'dope' and 'heroin' are synonymous, as are 'dope' and 'weed' and 'dope' and 'coke'.I'd call 'Watchmen' and 'The Dark Knight Returns' 'graphic novels'...I'd call Archie a 'comic'.You could call Watchmen a comic, but you probably wouldn't call Archie a 'graphic novel'.That said, it's not the difference between 'movie' and 'motion picture'...it's the difference between a flick and a film. Peace.
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes!?
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Heh..you 'literally' wrote a paper...Dude. That's some funny shit right there. Regular Tom Swift, there, man. Heh.Hate on, man, I just liked how you Swiftied yourself.
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For people who think that picture is some kind of 'outlandish modernization'....http://tinyurl.com/2anlvxThe palette heads more toward the Fincher-esque, but the design is pretty much the same...
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Secret Wars Spider-man, byrne's FF, the Keaton batman, the returned from the dead black-and-silver superman. The "New black costume" was a cliche, and that was what the black leather costumes on everyone was parodying in the Mystery Men movie. Hilariously enough, the X-Men film franchise took the joke and played it straight. Not to say that X-Men ripped off Mystery men - Mr. furious was obviously a Wolverine spoof - though the Wolverine cycle in the first X-movie was more Mr. Furious than Batgirl.Actually the best and most subtle parody of the "new black leather costume" cliche was in Grant Morrison's "Animal Man", where he had a super-hero just put a biker jacket on over his costume. Think about it, why else would an animal rights crusader wear leather isf it wasn't as a joke?So even after the Mystery Men movie - which was not that faithful to the Flaming Carrot comics source material - spoofed the "new black costume" cliche and then X-Men parodied the parody, Hollywood still kept the cliche going with the Black spidey in "3" or the Green Leather Arrow on "Smallville". At this point any new depiction of a superhero wearing either a black costume or leather that isn't based on his or her original comic book appearance is now a parody of a parody. And there's nothing wrong with turning Watchmen into a satire as long as you're aware of the joke. Watchmen was meant as a commentary of the comics medium,and satire is a legitimate form of commentary.
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But this certainly brightened the hell out of them! I love these! And odly enough, I thing the Silk Spectre looks the most bad-ass out of them. Now THAT'S how you do a superhero movie costume!
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Overall these look great, and Night Owl looks sufficiently "thick". And I don't expect Rorshach's face mask to actually morph in a still photo. - - The thing that misses the mark big time is Ozy's whole "dark lair" vibe. He's the blonde Golden Boy corporate sellout. His lair and his costume are bright, brassy and glassy... not this dark dank gloomy ruinous tomb we see depicted in this publicity still. So I hope on screen what we see is more of a remote antarctic brightly-lit corporate campus and not what we see here. And yes, a beefed up Rick Schroeder would have been perfect casting. This lumpy twentysomething stooge is no good. Doesn't mean they won't work it out on the screen though. We shall see.
I can't wait for Hollywood to fucking GET OVER this trend of cranking up the black channel in every foot of film stock that makes its way to theaters. I fucking hate it already. -
My creds; 8 years working in a comics shop, seven writing and drawing the newsletter for a different comics shop.My pet peeve: peole who don't get the difference between an original graphic novel and a comic book collection in trade paperbaack form.A graphic novel is something like Will Eisner's work, created as a GN in the GN format and intended to be published as a GN. And even though Maus was serialized in chapter form as a series of magazine inserts, I believe it was ultimately intended to appear as a collected graphic novel.Watchman was a twelve issue comic book mini-series which was later collected in trade paperback book form. Dark Knight was a four issue comic book mini-series in an admittedly unigue (at the time) squarebound cardstock covered "deluxe" format. Later it was collected as a trade paperback volume, even later as a hardcover, later than that in a leather-bound edition. "Love Showdown," the story arc that introduced Cheryl Blossom to the Riverdale world, was published in four issues of Archie and later collected in trade paperback format. Or to cite a more recent example, the controversial Jeff Butler "Bad Boy Trouble" was serialized in four issues of Betty and Veronica Double Digest, then collected in a single TPB volume. A COMIC BOOK collected in trade paperback format is NOT the same thing as a work created to be a stand alone graphic novel.I don't know any clearer way to express that than to define the terms and provide examples.The mainstream public repeatedly designates Eisner's "A Contract with God," "Maus," "Dark Knight" and "Watchmen" as the best graphic novels. But when it comes to comics, face it, the mainstream media is not always well informed."ACWG" and "Maus" are graphic novels, "Dark Knight" and "Watchmen" and the two Archie properties I mentioned are comic books. Or, IF "Dark Knight" and "Watchmen" are graphic novels by some loose, inaccurate definition of the term, then so are "Love Showdown" and "Bad Boy Trouble". You can't have it both ways.And the whole business of kids who are insecure about being comic book fans whining about wanting them called "graphic novels" was already parodied years ago on Mystery Science Theatre 3000. Once something is skewered by MST3K, it can no longer be taken seriously.
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...can I see the rest of the costume now please?
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the comedian and rorshach look great. i love the way that comedian is smiling and you can even get a small glimpse of the smiley face. silk spectre 2 looks alot better than i thought she would, i cant believe no one has mentioned it, but she's got a kill bill uma thurman look going there (uma said that that look was tarantino's take on a superhero costume, snyder seems to have done his take on tarantino's take of superhero costumes)... nite owl looks alot weirder and different-er than i thought he would, its definately a little more out there than i would have taken it, but he's alright and im going to reserve judgement until i see the movie... but ozy looks terrible. he seems out of proportion and just plain weird looking. i thought goode was a pretty good choice for ozy, but im having second thoughts about the look, but again, i will reserve final judgement until i see the movie. archie looks awesome. but the main thing, is that i remember snyder saying that Seven (or Se7en if you will) is a major influence on the movie, and it totally shows from the background, and the way that the pictures are dirty and gritty. like someone previously stated, fincher would have been a great pick to direct this movie. and there is no way in hell snyder would ever change the ending, because he has been saying that he really wants to earn moore's approval (whether that is even possible is debatable), and if he changes the ending ONE BIT, especially changing the fates of the characters like some of the other scripts, you can be sure that moore will take a dump on snyders face, and so will i. overall, these pics dont change my enthusiasm for the project (they look fine, not enough to get me super excited, not bad enough to get me discouraged), so lets wait till we find out more. they do look a little more "comic booky" than i was expecting though.
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"I'm not stuck in here with you. You're stuck in here with me...at the screening of 10,000 BC"
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All the costumes are great ('cept Ozy's), Rorschach's pic is too blurry, Ozy's actor doesn't fit the role AT ALL, the upper part of Nite Owl's costume doesn't really fit with the rest.
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I was one of the few who saw and enjoyed Mystery Men when it came out. At the time, the only mainstream superheroes who had appeared in big budget movies were Superman, Supergirl and Batman. It stuck me at the time that the general public would not be very familiar with the genre Mystery Men was parodying. After X-Men and the subsequent explosion in superhero flicks, it now is and the film would be much more successful if made today. Anyway, I read Watchmen in the early 90s and I thought it was awesome and would make a great film (Terry Gilliam and Sam Hamm were involved at the time). Now, I'm not so sure. Watchmen seems to be rooted in its time and medium. Unlike icons like Spider-Man and Hulk, there isn't the scope to do different interpretations and stories. Also, Sin City and 300 were visual and visceral adaptations which managed to replicate the comics on screen while being cinematic experiences in themselves. Watchmen is more literary than those titles, so the same approach might not work. However, I do hope the Watchmen movie turns out brilliantly.
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Yeah we know. ALIENS: TRIBES is a graphic novel while ALIENS: EARTH WAR is a collected TP of single ALIENS (Book 2, I think it's Book 2) issue. We know the difference, it's just easier to call all these things graphic novels.
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A costume in a comic will never translate entirely over to the medium of film without looking like something out of a comic book convention. Whether you like it or not, those outfits are very, very similar to what is presented in The Watchmen novel with some obvious and largely superficial modifications. All things considered they are pretty much spot on. So no, I’m not on crack. What I am is a thoughtful and open-minded person who understands that certain concessions are necessary to transfer one medium over to another. If you want to piss and moan over superficialities be my guest, just don’t delude yourself into thinking you’ve actually offered anything of profundity by nitpicking over design choices or missing bulges.
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...worries me too. V for Vendetta gained tremedously from the time in which it was released. The theme was in the papers daily. Here, although the themes are universal and never-ending, I worry that there is no current mindset among enough people pondering such things as ends justifying the means--even though the reasons for asking such questions are, again, certainly preasent in the papers every day, to give this product the critical momentum it might need in order to be considered a 'success,' regardless of how well-done it may actually be. Just my two cents...
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...I love 'em all. I think nipples -- while not so cool on Batman and Robin -- totally work for Veidt's character. And I think Nite Owl DOES look a bit thick around the middle. Also -- as I said earlier -- I think the clearly visible zipper on the front of his suit will be used in the film to illustrate that he has gained weight. I have a lot of faith in this production.
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Mar 06, 2008 1:48:25 PM CST
The point is that 'graphic novel' is a mostly useless term.
by jacobkosh
As Napoleon Park says, WATCHMEN is not a graphic novel, but twelve monthly serialized comics collected into a fat softcover book. But MARVEL GRAPHIC NOVEL: REVENGE OF THE LIVING PHARAOH is, because it initially came out as one single book.
It's such a useless distinction, especially in this day and age, when any good serialized comics will likely be collected into TPBs mere months later. And we don't need faux-respectable terms like "graphic novel" now that there's such a critical mass of good stuff out there (Black Hole, Persepolis, and The ACME Novelty Library, to name just a few). -
These could be shots of the characters when they are younger (except for Comedian) which could explain why NiteOwl is not as pudgy as he should be. Same with Ozy being so young; maybe they make him look a whole lot older later in the movie. We may not find out 'till March '09. Until then, I'm still going to be excited about this movie - I can't wait!
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or are those not the actual actors playing the roles?? - the comedian looks nothing lie the actor that is playing him!!! could it be doubles in the suits just so we can get a look at em
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I think they've made Nite Owl a little TOO MUCH like Batman though... Even just giving him round goggles (like an owl, like the owl ship) would have helped differentiate him. Still, I ain't complaining – bring it on!
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and for the record, i'm smoking silver haze....
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when the casting of Keanu as Doc Manhattan didn't happen. I think that Billy Crudup is a much better choice. And Jackie Earl as Rorshach is kind of inspired.
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Glad they stuck to the spandex look for the superheroines! Sunshine!
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Loads of fucking retards hate on something, give their reasons and even though post after post afterwards counters, we still get the same shitty criticisms. Fuck off, you stupid whiny bitches. It's a spread of 5 fucking photos and you're losing your lunches over them. Wait for some footage before you start bitching, DON'T analyse a dark background because it may or may not be Karnak, or Veidt's offices. DON'T analyse whether Dreiberg is fat or superhero slim when he's standing in fucking profile. I swear to God, somebody should cull the fucking lot of you dickless retards.
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but not "Doc Manhattan." Close but no ceegar. Fail.
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and you are right thank God i'm not in the film industry. I wouldn't stand the pressure. my mental health first.
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I'm sorry, but really. Are we supposed to take these people seriously?
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looks good.
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Otherwise, this all gets a big thumbs up from me.
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...Between this and the I Am Legend talkback, you may have the most spectacuarly poor taste I've ever encountered. This LOOKS really good. Thats coming from someone who thought the comic book was kind of lame. Interesting designs nicely shot. I can take these people alot more seriously than rubber looking cartoons of homeless people that were supposed to constitute the terrifying threat in I Am Legend. I know that. Plus I masturbated briefly to the Silk Spectre chick.
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Fuck yes.
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C'mon people.
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...two graphic novels. And no shit! Marvel actually did a Living Pharoah graphic novel??? I always thought that was one of their more hilarious villains... like... weren't all "pharoahs" living at one point? After they died, they were mummified. So his moniker should have been the Living Mummy!
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and thinks Blade II is high art.
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I despise all the Saw movies and was think Blade 2 is as bad as all of Del Toros films. This looks cool though, and not the least bit like Xmen. Except for that chicks severe hair cut. Is that real hair or a wig?
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Wouldn't the world's smartest man combat aging with relative ease? He already posessess superhuman strength and agility.
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I can say that The Comedian is fucking awesome. If I knew NOTHING about this (book or movie), I'd still see it based on that shot alone.
Veidt, so so. The pose is amusing, and does convey some of the smug prissy twat-ishness, but overall, I'm still not feeling it. Also, I recall him looking sort've like someone who could be anything from a fashion model to a politician, not a cosplay geek.
Rorschach looks fine, but, after all, he's just a dirty trenchcoat and a hat with a mask. This could be fanart, if it weren't official.
Silk Spectre I'm seriously mixed on. The update doesn't hurt I guess, but the picture itself is quite silly (agreeing with whomever it was above who said it looks like she just shat a building into flames) and the color-combo of yellow suit/auburn hair is, to me, kinda off-putting.
Nite Owl is fine, if that's a younger version. The update here doesn't bother me at all, as the old feather suit wouldn't have worked even less.
I guess my biggest aprehension overall is still whether or not Zack Snyder is up to the task of showing us a world of superheroes and villains, with lines blurred suitably, that doesn't boil down to the same old crap that Watchmen was initially a reaction to.
Watchmen isn't just (and shouldn't be) guys in masks, punching each other. If Snyder can give me a counterpoint to THAT, then I will whole-heartedly concede. If he doesn't, and the subtexts are completely obliterated, leaving only 'superhero X vs. supervillain Y' i.e. the same old crap we've seen a billion times, it won't matter to me how pretty it looks. It'll just be more crap. -
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Man, this is writing its own comedy.
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I have read the comic to death. Hopefully Zack Snyder will do it justice like he did 300.
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Read it years ago and loved it, barely remember it now. Need to reread. The Rorshach design looks good up above. The Ozmandis looks FUCKING TERRIBLE, on the other hand.
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Those who are trying to rubbish an entire film on the strength of these character designs had best remember the juggernaught that was a movie with the man in a bright red and blue spidersuit and those incredibly "realistic" X people.
In short these costumes are interesting and some of them a reat deal better than that but none of them are hardly any sillier than anything already out there.
It's what's in the costumes that counts in the book and what the costumes do on screen that counts in the movie.Yeah there are choices some are curious about but at the end of the day so far this looks pretty damn good to me and alot better than many thought it could ever be when given a hollywood treatment.
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boring as all shit so to me, if they take certain liberties with the flick it's no big deal. If not, maybe all the yakkity yak from the comic will be less annoying because there won't be a million word bubbles covering up 90% of the art.
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(I know, I know, I need too....) I can say that these pictures look pretty coll all the same. They'll definitely interest people like me who have no idea who these people are.
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Mar 06, 2008 5:10:41 PM CST
If you don't think they look good, then you're just stupid.
by darksider
I mean, really. What the hell do you want? Spandex? Other than Manhattan, they don't have super powers and that means in the real world you would have some kind of armor/protection. Spandex and tights only work in comics, not in the real world where this is supposed to take place. They look better than I could have hoped for, especially Ozymandius. His costume was horrible in the comics. And OH NO!, cool costumes might make someone want to see this who has no fucking clue about the comic. God forbid.
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For all you fucktards saying shit like, "What the fxck is going on with the costumes for Night Owl and Ozymandias???It`s fxckin Batman and Robin FFS!!! I was looking forward to this,now I don`t know.. No wonder Alan Moore wants fxck all to do with the movies...Snyder you are a ball bag!!!" DO YOU FUCKING REALIZE THEY ARE DESIGNED THAT WAY ON PURPOSE? Watchmen was a deconstruction of the superhero comic. By tipping their hat to the extreme comic hero film designs from recent years, the Watchmen film is going to be a deconstruction of the superhero comic FILM. All while retaining enough of the original designs to create some nostalgia. BRAVO, Snyder and Co., bravo! The rest of you idiots, STFU.
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I hope this talkback is epic, so the studio can see the interest out here. I'm still in disbelief that this project is real. Yet, I keep pinching myself and I'm awake. These photos are real and they kick ass. To all the geeks who want to jump the gun and say that just because "300" was wafer thin in the areas of character development and plot, that's all Snyder is capable of, I think you're getting way ahead of yourselves. "300" was "300." Watchmen will be something completely different. The depth will be there and there won't be tacked on kid sidekicks and useless love interests. (Come on Snyder, hit a home run so I don't look like a complete ass.)
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...Just curious.
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Rorschach is, of course, spot-on. Nite Owl looks pretty good to me. The Comedian and Silk Spectre look okay. Ozymandias, however, looks like shit. I like the actor, but the guy is too young/baby-faced for this role. You need someone who is much more physically imposing, I feel. Anyway, these are a decidedly mixed bag, and thus I remain cautiously optimistic.
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meh, I guess there still is that one idea floating around in Hollywood. If we keep hoping one day I'm sure they'll find another. Did Ozy always have purple underpants (or maybe I should call them overpants)? You'd think I'd remember something like that. It also looks more typically comic book and action-oriented than I remember. At least the pics give off that vibe.
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this is the man whose cartoons are being made into a movie: http://tinyurl.com/ypy9jx And, for those who rightly don't want to judge a book by its cover, here's a bit more to go on: "He shuns comic-book conventions, never travels outside England and is a firm believer in magic as a 'science of consciousness.' 'I am what Harry Potter grew up into,' he said, 'and it's not a pretty sight.'" Dave Itzkoff, New York Times, 12 Mar. 2006, available at http://tinyurl.com/36ro8j.
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Fucking Ratner is the next-gen version of Shumacher.
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stupid on purpose is still stupid.
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Is EXACTLY the kind of guy who'd put nipples on his costume. I don't think it was arbitrary. I don't think it was even just to make fun of B and R. Nipples on Ozzy makes SO much sense to me.
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Once explained the Bat nipples as an attempt to use the costumes to evoke the idea of the Greco-Roman ideal of male beauty. Think Adonis. Now, doing this to Batman is... an iffy concept, at the least. But it makes a lot of sense for Ozzy.
And while I agree that they won't go balls out with Dr. Manhattan, it's a shame. Because, I may be wrong, but, wasn't Dr. Manhattan's stripping through the book a key theme? He emerges reborn nude, then the government puts him in a full suit. He strips it down and down and down over the years, finally to a speedo, then when he goes recluse he finally goes nude again. Alright, I'll man up and say I read the book once and didn't understand the point of it entirely, but it seemed important. I oughta re-read it before the movie hits. -
Rorscharch - Hurm. BLACK IS THE NEW BROWN, heh. But the raincoat is dead-on. The hat seems to be a little bit larger (sorry, it bothers me everytime). But the texture of the mask is perfect, like an OLD-DIRTY-SMELLY-SOCK.
Silk Spectre - Yum. The actress is great inside the outfit (no barbie doll at all). Yes, the black stuff looks exactly like Elastigirl, but I like it. KINKY-SEXY ENOUGH TO MAKE THE OLD BIRD TO ARISE, heh.
Comedian - Purrrrfect. The costume, the gun, the badmofo attitude and crazy maniac expression on the face. The eyemask could have been a little bit smaller, but, as Gould-Marlowe would say, "that´s ok with me".
Nite Owl - Looks shiny and expensive. And the dude inside looks fat (just take a better look, fellas). The ears looks like from an owl. They kept the googles, cool. (The headpiece) In movement, should look far more cooler. But I confess: I am MORE EXCITED ABOUT THE OWL SHIP BEHIND HIM.
Ozymandias - Yeah, looks like a kid, but it´s all about the performance, right? The kiddo (heh) looks menacing and disturbed enough. The smartest man in the world don´t need to look like Brad Pitt on steroids. He´s just a VERY SMART GEEK FREAK. And the NOIR-EXPRESSIONIST-EGYPTIAN look just kick ass the GOLDIE-OLDHOLLYWOOD-KINGTUT comic book costume. The muscle shaped belly looks so "bat-movie", but it´s ok, we are supposed to hate this freak on screen. And we can start from his muscle shaped belly!
Well, putting aside the jokes and nitpicking, I LOVE IT. Thanks a lot, Zack, almighty comic artists and brave costume designers. Waiting for more. ONE MORE YEAR, excelsior! -
I hated 300, and I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna like Watchmen. Any hope of a good movie from Watchmen is out of the window after seeing these pictures. All we have is a ripoff of Batman, Rorschach who looks suspiciously like Indiana Jones, a stupid looking Matthew Goode, a hot chick in a weird costume, and only one cool looking guy (who I assume is the comedian). Maybe I'll be wrong, but I'm not a big Snyder fan (despite the fact that he's from Green Bay, my home town).
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who is who? some of us are under 30 and haven't read this thing.
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I cant wait for this. Ozzy looks good in my opinion, hes a man who takes pristine care of himself, so its ok to make him look young, he still has that darkness in the eyes of old age. love Nite Owl especially. and that Rorschach one is twistedly pleasing. Cant wait to see what they've done with Dr. Manhatten
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so the heckle what. everyone is there mom should read the watchmen. try and sound all high and mighty like watchmen is under you or something. watchmen is not a "thing"....its pure literature.
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A little bit of dirt on the streets doesn't necessarily equal "gritty." The hyper-stylized looks of the costumes/lighting/images doesn't really match up with the vibe of the original series. Greenleaf1 is right: they could have at least gone for something original rather than just go with the currently accepted superhero film idiom. I mean, the whole idea of the original series was yeah, these guys were human: they had potbellies. The film versions look like they just stepped from the halls of Valhalla. Something closer to the Captain America flicks from the 70s would have been a lot cooler.
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"it's pure literature"...with an apostropheI managed to get a master's in creative writing with an undergrad degree in English without ever having heard about this thing. So let's not pretend it's To Kill a Mockingbird. I'm sure it's fun and I will probably check it out at some point, but seriously, people need to calm down.
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I'm praying for you Zack. I really hope you pull it off.
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A still of that looks much better than this.
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Just sayin' is all ...
Maybe next we'll get Moore to give up the rights to LOST GIRLS, and it can star Winona Ryder, Natalie Portman, and I don't know, that friggin' JUNO chick. Directed by Penny Marshall. -
A cartoon is what Mickey Mouse stars in. Comics and Graphic Novels are what Alan Moore writes.
Are you proposing outing any bearded writers or just anyone with a beard in general? Just curious. Do they look like furriners to you ? No wait you don't want us to judge a book by it's cover so you helpfully posted a URL of a picture of him ?!?!
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Alan Moore has a sense of humour and doesn't take himself too seriously the Harry Potter line was what some of the less retarded would refer to as a "joke".
Besides he claims he worships a Snake Glove puppet so if you're aim was to ridicule you can't even do that properly.
I've seen you post this information more than once now so I'm curious why the obsession with Moore ? Because he could have the longest muttonchops in the World and Worship using magic underpants for all I care because the bottom line is his writing is superb and few can match him.
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Sorry, but these pictures conjure up memories of Mystery Men and this new awful Superhero Movie parody that won't be funny. But you know, I'm not judging it until I see it and I'll know how quickly I'm gonna do that once I see a trailer. These pictures aren't exciting to me though.
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Is SO 10 years ago. I know I'm far from the first person to note this, but current talk back posturing is all about the hate, early and often. Cause not liking things makes you sophisticated and stuff.
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and I've read the FUCKIN' book. If you haven't your doing yourself a great disservice as a fan of the fantasy genre. GO READ WATCHMEN!!!!
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because I think it's funny. No big reason. And also, although I can't be bothered to read Moore's cartoons, I do like seeing the rise it gets out of people who freak out about them being "literature" when somebody suggests they (the cartoons) aren't all *that* special. Also, by the way, I never proposed boycotting or outing anybody, whether or not they had facial hair. And who is this "ditko" personage you refer to?
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Those of you who actually READ these posts, rather than simply typing whatever your funny friend said and posting it with no context, know that I despise the unwarranted use of the term "HATER".It's become just to easy a defense against the undefensible (Transformers, etc)But for a PERFECT example of a hater....QUEEFER BUKAKE. There you go.
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I can't understand how anybody could think any of these costumes look promising- As for Moriarty's comment: There is nothing in the Snyder filmography that suggests he is deft enough of a director to be commenting on film superhero costumes_ I can believe that he might have missed the mark, however and is such a fanboy that he lost his cool somehow and went overboard
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The watchmen comic is okay, but it feels way to dark, and gritty. Real sleezy, you know? I prefer anything that has to do with superheroes to look real flashy, and well defined. HD all the way, baby! HD! This watchmen movie looks great. I cant wait until it comes out on blue ray, I mean BLU-RAY, so I can zoom in and look at the SHARP details. This movie looks wicked awesome and colorful. YEAH!
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I think someone who is strange enough to actually post on a writers facial hair is slightly more than "funny" and suggests you have deeper problems than I can be bothered to look into.
Perhaps you should stick to Ziggy cartoons since that appears to be the level we are dealing with ?
Frankly I don't give a fuck if you consider his work literature or not, But the incredible level of dribbling buffoonery that would make someone post about how an author looks and try to lampoon him with one of the authors own jokes while he claims he can't be bothered to read the work in the first place so clearly doesn't have a clue whether it is literature or not, is staggeringly amusing.
And I doubt I'm not the only one to get a rise out of that fact.
Oh and Mystery Men for those who don't seem to have grasped it, is a comedy. This isn't. That clear enough for ya ? Look it up if you don't believe me. Mystery Men was also at best a second rate parody you want a smart slick superhero comedy and parody The Incredibles pisses all over Mystery Men and even The Tick has far better moments.
This may turn out to be a bad film who knows, but few thought 300 would be as succesfull, few that is unless you count those who knew the source material and thought if it was done correctly it would counfound those who tried to ridicule it... like say, another project in development. -
Seriously, you don't think he's a funny looking guy? 'Cuz he kinda is. I draw no conclusions from moore's appearance, but I must say, whether or not he is able to joke at his own expense, some people are taking this particular collection of words n' pictures far too seriously. And, because I'm really just trolling at this point, I'll take your mention of "Ziggy" as an opportunity to point out that more people have heard of and know what "Ziggy" is than have ever heard of "Watchmen." Take that as you will. All that said, from the perspective of this outsider, the movie looks interesting.
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...for now, I'll blame the PR department for going apeshit with Photoshop and thinking they are making X4 - but those are god awful.All of you who think they "caught the feel" of the comic are living in Circle Jerkville. Those are Lexus-selling slick and Gibbons work is the polar opposite. It looks like Snyder's commercial background is going to glossy this sucker up, when it really calls for a Fincheresque muted quality. Again, maybe he has a different feel in post, maybe it's the HD cameras, but he had to approve those as the first shots out.As the Ol Templar said - He chose poorly.
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Do you look up EVERY writer and check he isn't bearded before you decide you can't be bothered to read em ? There are help groups for that level of OCD or pathology.
And he IS able to take a joke at his own expense hence his appearance on The Simpsons not too long ago.
As for taking this too seriously, I'll take whatever work I am currently reading or watching as seriously as I wish because I can assure you the opinions of a self confessed troll will never ever enter into it.
Your Ziggy comment suggests you have been smoking far too much of something rather potent and I suggest that the complex world of level headed criticism or rational appreciation may not be for you.
But please keep "trolling" or whatever it is you think you are doing because it IS intensely amusing. -
but these are just still photos of costumes. They all look fine to me so far...they sure won't make or break the movie.
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In my opinion, 300 was a masterful adaptation of the source material. Whether or not the source material deserved the respect he gave it is a matter of personal opinion, but Snyder did his job, and he did it exceptionally well. Whether you love the book or hate it, you have to admit that the movie looked and felt exactly like the book. I think the few deviations and additions in the movie also reveal a very deft hand at the wheel; confident enough to risk making changes, but with enough respect and understanding of the book to know how to make those changes without crippling the story's original spirit. He not only strengthened a couple of the book's weak points, but he did it in such a way that I don't even think Frank Miller noticed he was doing it. That is exactly the kind of person I want at the helm of Watchmen; a man who utterly respects but does not blindly worship the source material. Nothing I have seen of this movie is giving me any doubts about it. I will be there opening night.
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the costumes look silly, sure. but at least if you've read the comics(graphic novels, my ass! call it by any other name doesn't make you less of a geek), you'd understand it's part of the characters. nite owl's costume is especially silly, on purpose.
but if you're clueless passerby who just happen to catch these pics for the first time, then yeah, chances are you're going to laugh your ass off. my point is, once you've read the comics, then you're gonna wipe that stupid smug grin off your face . -
No, like I said, I just think the beard is kinda funny. I'm not bothering to read "Watchmen" because a) I don't particularly care for comic books (although I do enjoy the occasional comic-book inspired movie), b) the plot and descriptions I've gleaned from this site and stuff like wikipedia don't sound all that amazing, and c) I've got a stack of other stuff I'd rather read first. You can rest easy--beards have nothing to do with it, I can assure you. I'll admit, I could be wrong about Ziggy, but there's no need for you to suggest I'm smoking potency or that somehow (if I'm reading you right) "rational appreciation" (of what, I wonder) is beyond my ken. That's just mean-spirited. Maybe we'll just have to both agree that more people have heard of "Garfield" or "Snoopy" than "Watchmen." We'll leave it to greater minds to ponder whether that means anything. I for one don't want trouble. And of course you are free to take mr. moore and his work as seriously as you will, even to the extent of mounting simpsons-based defenses of mr. moore's sense of humor. I just think that, in the scheme of things, such earnestness is maybe a little misplaced. Anyway, glad to amuse you so intensely. I'm afraid I can't return the compliment, but maybe I'm just jaded.
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I applaud the rubbery nippled costume displayed here. I'm not keen on the colors of that image, but that's because it is so weirdly filtered and washed out that you can't tell what those colors really are. As for the shape of the suit itself, I think it's perfect. Not identical to what is in the comic, but reminiscent enough that I had to open up the book and check before I could tell in what ways it was different. Also, it's completely in line with everything we know about the character. This is a guy who deliberately markets himself as a brand name. He SHOULD look like an action figure. In fact, if Snyder is as smart as I think he is, there will be action figures released shortly before the film, and not just for the purpose of making money.
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I wonder how they are going to cover that in the film?
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Hurm. For a guy who posts something like "Gotta love Locke", you look kinda fruity yerself :-D
Joking dude, I´m enjoying Lost too. And Zack Snyder´s Watchmen. Peace out. -
all the scenes with the queen in 300 do not gel well with the rest of the movie. it felt like it's written by a different voice altogether. with miller, his words are too original to mess with. rodriquez got it right to leave all miller's dialogue alone with no addition. adding your own scenes and your own dialogue to a frank miller's story is gonna stick out like a sore thumb. so no, snyder's addition on 300 doesn't help imo. he's simply adhering to hollywood formula. there's no need for chick scenes in 300.
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I liked both 300 and the dawn of the dead remake, this looks promising as well.
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watchmen is recognized as one of best written fiction ever produced in any medium, funny pictures or no. whether you want to stay ignorant of this masterpiece or not is besides the point. the point is when you try to make fun of the guy behind it, resorting to his appearance, then you're just nothing but a smartass. it makes you look small.
creative minds often live their lives on the edge, outside of the mainstream. geniuses even more so. in contrast, just because michael bay or p.w. anderson look normal and clean cut, doesnt make them less of a wanker. -
I respectfully disagree. I don't think the beefed-up queen scenes have anything at all to do with Hollywood formula. I think they have more to do with dampening what some see as a severely misogynist undertone to the story. I don't think Frank Miller hates women, but I could see why people would get that impression. I feel like the new, stronger queen is a valid response to that, and, at least to me, the queen in the movie feels like something Frank Miller might have written if he had been more interested in her as a character, rather than as a piece of the background. Which is not to say I don't love the book, because I do, but I don't think it's flawless. I think the queen in the movie is a better character, and if Frank Miller doesn't have a problem with the changes to her, then I don't see why I should.
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Ah, but whether or not the work "is recognized as one of best written fiction [sic]" doesn't make the man's appearance any less amusing. At least, to me. I've never seen a picture of p.w. anderson (or one of his movies, I'm pretty sure), so I'll have to take your word for it. Michael bay, if memory serves correctly, sports a mullet, doesn't he? But you are right, that's probably unrelated to whether or not the man's a wanker. Anyway, don't pay me much heed; I'm sure this watchmen thing is one of the greatest of all comic books, a genre unfairly maligned by smartasses everywhere.
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Peope running around in costumes is getting really tired. Why can't they just have a person with above average abilities and a vengeful personality... like Steve Jobs?
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ozymandias's suit makes him look like a villain, when it shouldnt do that...and I do think he should have a tigher looking costume and look a little more friendly and perfect, not like some russian drug dealer.
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"I just think the beard is kinda funny" "Beards have nothing to do with it"
Besides being confused what exactly IS your point ? Does it really just boil down to
"He's goofy lookin ! Hyuk, hyuk, hyuk."
Profound stuff from a man who thinks he is well placed to trash an entire artform.
Self proclaimed trolls who post about how something isn't literature without having read it don't strike me as ideally placed to malign anything.
You also seem unable to concieve of someone who doesn't necessarily take himself that seriously producing serious work. That's simply a failure of imagination on your part as anyone familiar with Alan Moore's work knows that he can be devastatingly witty yet still produce great tracts of social commentary with the likes of From Hell and V for Vendetta.
And lest you be in any doubt the vast bulk of Hollywood fare is shit and there are few Movies that are particularly well regarded. So it is with the Graphic Novel and comic medium.
Sadly having read your contributions no doubt you'd trash Maus because Garfield is better known and features lots of slapstick & more amusing renditions of cats and dogs. -
Goddamn, why can't they get this shit right? How hard is it to look at a panel from the book, see where the damn trench ends on his leg, and MATCH THAT?!Also pissing me off, Owl Man's mask won't let him rotate his head more than 80 degrees to either side. What kind of fucking owl can only rotate its head 80 degrees to either side (160 degrees total)? We all know owls can do at least 180 degrees, and 270 if they warm up and stretch beforehand. This SUUCKKS!
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I meant 82 degrees to either side. Is it Owl Man btw, or Dr. Owl?
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Uhh what's so funny about that? Watchmen is highly highly lauded. it's in the top 100 Time magazine novels list of all time. That's no laughing matter. Second fuck yourself, I fucking hate you.
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Crack up if you must, but it is still the only comic book ever to win a Hugo award, and Time Magazine did list it as one of the 100 greatest English language novels of all time. Not to mention the four Kirby Awards and four Eisner Awards it won. I'd say that earns it the right to be taken seriously as literature. Also, it is pretty much universally recognized as one of the most influential graphic novels ever written.
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and getting yourself all confused in the process. Let me lay it all out for you: 1) I haven't read "watchmen," for reasons having nothing to do with mr. moore's beard 2) I think mr. moore's appearance is comical, in part because of the beard 3) I think that this movie looks interesting, but suspect that some people are getting a bit carried away in their praise for the source material. 4) I have never said anything about the relative worth of "watchmen" versus "ziggy" or "garfield" or "snoopy," although I did suggest these are more generally known. 5) I wholeheartedly agree with you that the vast bulk of comic books are shit. I'm not really saying anything else other than that. Except that I am admittedly just trying to get a rise out of folks like you. But I'm certainly not trying to trash art, not even the cartoon variety. Don't read to much into this.
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"Anyway, glad to amuse you so intensely. I'm afraid I can't return the compliment." "I am admittedly just trying to get a rise out of folks like you."
"suspect that some people are getting a bit carried away in their praise for the source material." And I suspect that since you haven't read it you don't have a fucking clue.
"I think mr. moore's appearance is comical, in part because of the beard" (so does Mr Moore but I doubt he devotes as much thought and intense scrutiny over it as you clearly do) What exactly made you think this was remotely interesting or that the world desperatlely needed to know this ? I personally find it hard to imagine posting anything more pointless and meaningless myself.
"I have never said anything about the relative worth of "watchmen" versus "ziggy" or "garfield" or "snoopy," although I did suggest these are more generally known." Sorry there IS something more utterly pointless and meaningless than Mr Moore's beard and that was the proof.
"I wholeheartedly agree with you that the vast bulk of comic books are shit." Too subtle for you ? It appears so. The vast bulk of MOVIES, graphic novels, music, TV, & literature is shit very little of it is considered the best in it's field.
That you chose to use Watchmen (which you haven't read) as the jumping off point to trash ALL graphic novels and comics was foolish because there are so many other really bad examples and because you can't use one example to trash a genre anyway.
Were I arrogant or stuppid enough to try and sneer at an entire genre like Movies for example then I would have the sense to choose the likes of Norbit to do it. Not The Godfather.
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but so did 300.
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So it seems like Snyder is gonna use the original ending. It'll be interesting to see if he can get it to work onscreen. I remember my inner screenwriter going "uh-oh" when I read the climax of Watchmen and it's no surprise that it got changed in Hamm's, Hayter's and Tse's drafts. It's a very tricky ending to get right. Fingers crossed eh?
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is the new bitch.Someone had to say it.
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Yeah, the Oz is too young, but I guess they felt, wrongly, that they needed something to appeal to the adolescent girl demographic, since there was no way the Silk Spectre token female was NOT going to be keyed to appeal superficially to hormonal teenage boys (love the suspenders BTW). I imagine most girls will go in expecting to see a clone of the Leonardo Titanic character, their comic-versed boyfriends deliberately keeping them in the dark about the real nature of the character. So it's all good.
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what kind of stupid comment is it to make when you say "i think people are getting carried away with their love for the source material. But you haven't read it. talk about one of the dumbest most unintelligent fucking things to say you stupid dumb fucking fuck cunt.
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but dont take my words for it. time magazine only listed it in their 100 best NOVELS of ALL TIME. read that: O-F A-L-L T-I-M-E.
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read you first post again. clearly, you're trying to put down moore's work by saying how ridiculous he appears to be. it's one thing if you have read the work and happen to dislike it. but to simply belittle the man, his work(even indirectly), without prior knowledge only makes you look childish imo. creative minds have their eccentricities. they dont always succumb to formula.
but you're right about comic books. they are mostly just shit. watchmen, however, is that one rare exception. -
mentioning the time magazine list. i sound like a broken record now.
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about the queen. i still think it's unnecessary to add that in. it's a man story through and through. it's a glorified version of that battle TOLD from the voice of one soldier who was there, TO his comrades to pump up their spirits. that's the structure of the movie. the queen story would just get in the way of his tale of the battle.
but i dont think i would mind the queen story arch, were it interesting and original. but it feels like a time filler. and her arch was wrapped up way too easily. she stabbed the guy, coins fell out of him, everyone picked it up and cried, 'he's a traitor! he's a traitor!' that alone is more cartoonish than the most unrealistic battle scene in the film. -
It's in the Top 100 of the 20th century (after 1923).
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...of course they don't tell us if the movie will be any good or not. They tell us the costumes are cool, the lighting is dark and the sets are going to be gritty. Hmmm... I'm sort of siding with Alan Moore in that I'm not sure this comic book NEEDS to be made into a movie. 300 was a little bit boring and I'm not sure this director can deliver an engaging dramatic story. As many people have mentioned, many of Watchmen's ideas have been mined and exploited and are now part of popular culture anyway. But these shots do look good. I have a couple of reservations: Oxymandias doesn't look like the right actor physically - and I would have preferred if Nite Owl were wearing his Adam West-style suit, complete with beer gut. I mean, that's the point, isn't it? That these superheroes are way out of date - and are floundering around in a modern world where they are regarded as buffoons.
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comics are mostly shit? are you fucking retarded and ignorant? Comics have an incredible amount of imaginative stories. It's such a limitless medium. Maybe you should read some comics before talking shit. Even mainstream comics nowadays are brilliant, with stuff like Green Lantern, Punisher:Max, Immortal Iron Fist, Captain America, Daredevil, Ultimate Spider-man. And that's not mentioning the non mainstream stuff so please shut the fuck up you fucking dumb cunt.
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i stand corrected. but yeah, comics are mostly shit. you cant argue with that point. for every good one, there are hundreds of exact opposite. and no, ultimate spider-man is only good if you're a kid. i read those because of the hype. bendis have written better material. there are cool-to-kid comics and then there are greatness. you reach a certain age, and you'll begin to understand the distinction.
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"3) I think that this movie looks interesting, but suspect that some people are getting a bit carried away in their praise for the source material."
Based on what? The fact that you haven't heard of it? Color me unimpressed - it made TIME's list of the 100 best novels of the twentieth century, has been written about over and over again in the twenty years since its publication in The New York Times, The Village Voice, The Guardian, Le Monde...the people whose business it is to know these things know about it and love it.
And you don't know about it. And that's fine, but you should own up to your cultural illiteracy, and having done so, either a) seek to correct it or b) stop talking. Contrary to what you may have heard, thudding ignorance is not a cardinal virtue, nor is it in the least charming. -
Hooded Justice? Dollar Bill? the tentacle monster at the end? Captain Facetious?!
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You're a fucking idiot
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Continue posting in the other thread with your other user id's braffed.
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Sorry I was gone for a while. I had to pay your mom for the hardjob. Thank god I had some spare food stamps lying around
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tired of your daddy violating your asshole too?
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Mar 07, 2008 2:38:01 PM CST
Pillow talk? Seriously, that is the gayest name you can have.
by braffed
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Mar 07, 2008 2:39:08 PM CST
Pillow talk, pillow talk, its a wonder you can walk...
by biff and the watchful midget master
You see what you've done to me pillow talk? Now I can't even come up with clever insults because you're BFF Kloipy took all my best material.
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from a movie.
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I want to make fun of him. Please bring him to me.
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that's the only thing you do, is sit on your fat ass and watch movies. here's an idea sunshine. Get off the couch, put the fucking Dolly Madison down and try living in the real world....ass
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buried in Pillow's curlys right now playing I-Spy a turd-nugget.
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I am getting BJ from Pillow's mom and am about to blow my load.
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Pillow, you better tell your mom to swallow or else she's fucking dead!
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can you look over your sweaty, hairy shoulder and tell Kloipy to hurry up stuffing his junk in your trunk so he can get back on...
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I'm sorry you are so alone in this world.
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Your mom ain't so bad, Pillow. she finally came around and did as she was told. Gulp!
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Your mom is coming over in a few hours after she's done with Biff. I usually hate sloppy seconds, but she charges less for the second trick
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Where are the hoes at? I want some action. I came here to do two things, kick some ass and find some pussy. I already kicked enough ass.
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if it's pussy you want...Pillow's here.
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I don't know what pure literature is, but WATCHMEN made the list of the top 100 pieces of literature of the 20th century. It was the only graphic novel to make the list, and I think it's more complex than a lot of literature out there. Is it better than "Mockingbird"? That's debatable, but it's on par at least.
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Somebody used the excuse that they didn't read Watchmen was because they were under 30. I first read this last year when I was 16, so age has no excuse.
Maybe the reason that Ozymandias has a sculpted suit is because he wants the other heroes to see him as the type off ass that needs a sculpted suit and take him less seriously. Deception is part of what Ozy does.
Dreigberg IS fat, but his suit is also sculpted so it doesn't look like it. If it were tights (like Silk Spectre's oh-so-hot tights), it would be more pronounced.
And Alan Moore is Rasputin. Here's proof:
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he just likes to talk dirty to everyone, that messi. just read the comics and all will be forgiven.
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thanks for the link. great great stuff. :)
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that link by jeremiah, i mean. sounds like him. priceless stuff! you guys should all read. check out at the very bottom - 'notable beards in history'. click on the names(i'm reading stan lee now). pure gold!
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..I agree. The whole movie could be brilliant but the ending has to be handled right for it to work. It's a fucking big downer - nothing wrong with that, but are the multiplexes ready for that kind of superhero movie? I hope so.
The photos are fucking great - The Comedian is spot on. Unsure about Ozymandias though - costume is good, but he's looking on the young side. Let's have some Doc Manhatten action.. -
Why would some chump bother to come here just to troll? How odd...
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Anytime! A day where I can't spread the word of Alan Moore is not a true day indeed!
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I read Watchmen in serial form, have read it 20 or more times since then, wrote an analysis of it that was quoted in American Film magazine during the comic book film explosion of the late '80s. Not that this makes me special, just experienced. I like Rorschach. I notice that under close examination his mask's blot resembles V's mask quite a bit. Comedian looks fairly good. I hope they keep the patriotic shoulder guards as a contrast to the black. Morgan's white hair, on the other hand, is pretty iffy. Also, he has a scar under his eye but it is relatively small. The whole point of the scar - unless it's just to show him killing his Viet bar girl - is that it forces him into the S&M hood while working and gives him a permanent sneer. Both elements make him creepier. (Just to correct some earlier posts, Blake did start out in the yellow jump suit, but he changed to the leather armor in the early '40s after being stabbed. We see him in leather in a WWII pic in the backmatter.) Silk Spectre looks interesting but wrong. She's supposed to look like a floozy, a chorus girl, but not a whore. The rubber/plastic costume is silly and her boots attach to a freaking garter belt! With that look, why is she called Silk Spectre anyway? Just because her mom was? Nite Owl I would buy under different circumstances, but Dan Dreiberg is a not a mysterious guy. He can be tough, he can be mean when he must, but at his best he's a crusader, not a dark avenger. He's based on Blue Beetle, after all. Spandex or even tight knits might have looked silly, but if he has to wear rubber and leather the look should have been lighter, not so nasty. The colors also puzzle me. Perhaps they are brighter in proper lighting. And the cowl is ridiculous. They might not have been able to pull off the cowl from the comic, but the ears look comical. They made a big mistake putting the goggles strap on the outside of the cowl. Too easy to yank free (a point made in the backmatter). Archie looks great, though. Ozymandias is completely wrong. Yes, he surrounded himself with an Egyptian motif, but he based his identity on Alexander the Great. He's supposed to be the golden boy of the golden age, shining with possibility. This Ozymandias looks haunted. Even if this is his appearance at the end of the story, he looks too dark. And armor is just all wrong, especially muscle-sculpted armor. He's an acrobat, for heaven's sake. (Regarding sexuality: At no point in the comic does Moore suggest Veidt is gay. Rorschach, in his paranoia, writes in his journal that Veidt may be homosexual. That is a reflection of Rorschach's generalized fear of sex, not any part of Veidt's life. The Hayter script does suggest Veidt may be gay. Why I don't know.)
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