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Monday Brings The Big 2-Hour TERMINATOR Season Finale!!

Published at: March 3, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!!
I have not been watching. All the adventures of cyborg Cameron and her humanity-savior friends nestle safely on my DVRs. Was it as good as “Terminator” or “Terminator 2”? Of course not!! But was it as good as “Prison Break” or “Supernatural” or the latest season of “Dexter”? I don’t recall Fox yet renewing “Terminator” for a second season. Here’s the talkbackers’ chance to convince fellow geeks to pony up for the inevitable season-set DVD. Here’s how Fox describes tonight’s installments:
John defends Cameron against a damning accusation by Derek, putting him and Derek at odds, while Sarah finds herself in a business transaction with a mysterious business man. Meanwhile, Cromartie closes in on John and Agent Ellison discovers a nemesis at the agency on the "Vick's Chip/What He Beheld." Guest Cast: Garret Dillahunt as Laszlo/Cromartie; Dean Winters as Charlie; Matt McColm as Vick; Kristina Apgar as Cheri Westin; Jose Luis Chavez as Morris; Brian Austin Green as Derek Reese; Andre Royo as Sumner; Jonathan Sadowski as Sayles; Edoardo Ballerini as Timms; Karina Logue as Barbara; Diana Maria Riva as Dr. Carmen Cabrera; Allen Evangelista as Doug; Tony Ramond Wilde as Eric Carlson; Bruno Amato as Gym Coach; Joshua Wold Coleman as Clerk; Aki Kotabe as Kendo; Brian D. Jones as EMT; Ismail Bashley as ER Doctor; Claudia Choi as Nurse; and Derek Basco as Worker at Hospital; Catherine Dent as Agent Greta Simpson; Keith Pillow as Mr. Bianchi; James Urbaniak as Caf Manager; Craig Faribass as Sarkissian; Jesse Garcia as Carlos; Sabrina Perez as Chola; Bailee Madison as Little Girl; Mark Bloom as FBI Evidence Clerk; and Ramona Duberry as Karen.
8 p.m. Monday. Fox.

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  • March 3, 2008, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Best show on TV...

    by Rindain

    This show is like crack. It's awesomely woven into the first two movies 9especially that future war episode). Fox NEEDS to renew this...not just for fans, but for themselves...this is the kind of show that will build a huge audience once the dvd hits.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:21 a.m. CST

    First?

    by Errockk

    I saw the pilot, and it wasn't bad. definitely gonna netflix it.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Best show on TV in sucky TV land

    by AxeBox

    Which is our current TV climate. The show's watchable, but that's about it. Nothing memorable or exciting, and the characters are good but aren't given great things to do.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:28 a.m. CST

    No Errockk, you're not first...

    by LordPorkington

    So where do you go from here? You've made a fool of yourself, and every time I see your name in a Talkback from now on, I'll think to myself "There's Errockk, the idiot who tried to cover himself in glory and failed for all to see". Let Errockk be a lesson to you all, this whole 'First!' bullshit needs to be dropped!

  • March 3, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    This show deserves a second season.

    by The Outlander

    It needs to be released on DVD and then given a second season to find its audience. It's a great show.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    I agree with AxeBox...

    by ShogunMaster

    This show is WAY overrated. I keep hearing that Sarah is a great actress and stunningly hot (not true), I hear the Summer Glau is a stunner as well (nope), and throwing in BAG as Reece's brother?! I really wish this show was better, but it's not. If we weren't dealing with a crap season of reality TV and Reruns, it wouldn't have gotten past the pilot. <b> BTW, I also agree with LordPorkington: Errockk sucks cock and 'First'ers must die!

  • March 3, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    I've been watching the whole way through

    by dgcrawford

    and I can honestly say it has been solidly entertaining. It's not LOST or BSG, but its up there in Heroes territory, though it doesn't have the highs and lows that Heroes has experienced. But with this you know you're going to get a solidly entertaining hour out of it every week.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Oh, and it deserves a weekly talkback if it is renewed.

    by dgcrawford

  • March 3, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    there's LordPorkington,

    by prunkhaft

    the asshole who tried to be a dick and succeeded for all to see. Worry about your own posts douchebag. I haven't seen this show yet, but my curiosity is overwhelming.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    This and Prison Break- all i watch.

    by robertplant

    2 best shows on TV for me at least. Dont kill Terminator, FOX! Come on.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    why has this show been ignored by a.i.c.n?

    by thedudelar

    i've been wondering about the lack of talk backs with this show. i was beginning to think that i was very much alone in digging this show. sure, it's flawed but it has some serious potential i think.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Errockk

    by odo19

    Don't listen to that asshole. The glory of being First will always outway the risk of being chastised. Don't forget people made mocked the Wright Brothers when they tried to be different as well.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:45 a.m. CST

    My favorite new show. Bring on Season 2!!!

    by LoneGun

    While I don't think the program is utter brilliance, I do find it immensely entertaining and I love it, warts and all. Lena Headey is a great, GREAT Sarah Connor, and the kid is the best John Connor yet. Summer Glau is terrific as a model of Terminator copying human emotions and quirks, trying them on like pieces of clothing. She seems quite human one moment, then utterly empty and mechanical the next. I really want to see THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES continue. I don't care as much about the upcoming films.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Let's all be reasonable

    by waggy

    The show is clearly not gonna take the title of "best show on tv" when The Wire ends next week, but it's also not the worst thing on tv by any stretch of the imagination. It's solid entertainment that's better than T3 but not as good as T1 or T2. The mere fact that i'm watching a show on Fox (a first since they cancelled Arrested Development) is a notable achievement for them. And if you don't think Summer Glau is hot, please hand in your heterosexual card.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:50 a.m. CST

    This is a really good show!

    by Aloy

    I came in with less than zero expectations and envy anyone who has these shows cued up for a power watch. Solid story lines and Summer Glau is cool as a Terminatrix (too funny when they worked her ballet into this though). At this point I would watch this over the current Heroes.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Took me a while to warm up, but

    by cookepuss

    the show is one heck of a ride.<p> <p> It pays a lot of fan service to longtime T1 & T2 fans with inside references to both movies. At times, it tends to forget that its viewers might be tuning in to the Terminator universe for the first time. However, the characterizations are fantastic.<p> <p> Summer Glau's Cameron is equal parts Lt. Data and Arnie. Kinda like a Pinocchio that isn't afraid to kill. Some surprisingly funny stuff being written for her that is actually not as embarrassing as what passed for cyborg humor in T3. You also never fully know if Glau's character is playing things straight or if she's just playing them all for fools, buying time until she whacks 'em.<p> <p> Lena Headey puts her own spin on the Sara Connor character that makes her stand apart from Linda Hamilton. She's a little more feminine/maternal and a little less butch, but you really get the feeling that she can and will kick your ass on the drop of a dime. She feels like Sara Connor without ever stepping on any toes.<p> <p> Thomas Decker's John Connor... I honestly didn't think this kid had it in him. I really didn't. He plays the character as smart, brooding, and mature. He's not the little punk that Furlong played and he's not the washed out scaredy cat that T3's Nick Stahl felt like at times. The show might be called "The Sara Connor Chronicles", but this is as much Decker's show <p> <p> As an ensemble cast, they're just great together. <p> <p> At first, it was a little odd that they conveniently (mostly) ignored T3's existence. However, you can understand why. In T3, there was no real sense that Stahl's John had the balls or know how to fight in and start a resistance movement. Here, you can kinda see him becoming more of the person you'd have expected him to be in T3.<p> <p> I know that continuity buffs will point out plot holes or weak points. However, it is still one of the most enjoyable genre shows on network. Let's face it broadcast network doesn't do genre well, especially action & sci-fi. When they get it right its a rare thing. Enjoy it while its around. With Fox, you never know how long that'll be.<p> <p> I'm actually rooting for a season 2. I read something about Phil Morris of Seinfeld & Smallville notoriety being in talks to somehow bring Miles Dyson back from the dead. If they can pull that off without negating T2 I'll be thoroughly impressed.<p> <p> Again, this is Fox. You never know what the future holds. They screwed over Dark Angel, Millenium, Strange Luck, Firefly, John Doe, and tons of other promising and entertaining genre shows. I'm hopeful that they'll renew it, but not expecting them to.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST

    I enjoy it

    by xsi kal

    It's a good show.. not great, but good... Lots of promise, and better than much of the crap on tv. Certainly worth another season.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:01 a.m. CST

    FACT 1: It's way better than BIONIC WOMAN

    by nopix

    FACT 2: DEXTER ownz Sarah Connor's ass. FACT 3: THE SHIELD just fucking ownz. And will likely have a beautiful final season.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    rsanta74, I like what you say...

    by LoneGun

    ...especially in regards to Lena Headey. The single most accomplished thing about SCC may be how easily Headey has made us believe in her as Sarah Connor. She's swiftly made the role her own, while honoring the memory of Linda Hamilton. She's a very strong protagonist, and I've got to say, I love it when she kicks ass on the show.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Show's true to T & T2

    by Vigilant

    It has the spirit of the movies. This is done by rehashing most of the dialog for said movies. But I rather the frequent nods back than forgetting they existed.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    I stopped watching when I learned they cast Brian Austin Green

    by Thick McRunFast

    Seriously, that guy is the new Ted McGinley: guaranteed show-killer.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Continuity error from Terminator 1...

    by Executor

    It's been a while since I saw it, so correct me if I'm wrong. But in the first Terminator, Sarah asks Reese why they just don't kill Connor in Reese's present-day-future, instead of sending Arnold back in time to kill John. Reese says that the war is over, the machines lost, so killing him then wouldn't have made a difference.<p> Now on the TV show, we've seen the future time period AFTER Reese travels back in time...and the machines are still very much in control. <p>Doesn't make sense.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Still advertising HD-DVDs?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Loooooooool.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Best spin off frabchise show since Star Trek

    by skywalkerfamily

    It's a good show. It's a little slow, but the episodes have loads of action.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:51 a.m. CST

    C'mon, Fox...at least give it a Season 2...

    by Kasch

    With T4 in development, Fox would be crazy to pull the plug when their next season could ride the hype train for the next movie. Plus with a season's worth of set-up storylines out of the way, this show could easily explode into one of the best serials since Lost.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:56 a.m. CST

    executor

    by slkboxrman

    i hate to be the one that says this , but the original timeline that kyle reese travelled from was changed to a certain degree by the terminators from one and two going back in time and messing up the timeline..the way things originally happened never happened...its true that judgement day is inevitable but things beyond judgement day are playing out a lil different......but overall its a great show....i like how theyre actively changing the future, so sarah may not die of cancer now that shes aware of it, and the countless terminators and resistance fighters going back in time has to be changing things too...i just wonder which model cameron is.... i like how they referenced the triple 8 model...and i stilll wonder camerons plan for the chip that she discreetly pocketed.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:56 a.m. CST

    B.A.G.

    by Fievel

    Brian Austin Green actually works for me as Kyle Reese's brother. I would have bet the farm that I'd hate him, but he's doing a great job. The show is great. So many T1 & T2 references. I seriously hope it comes back.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:56 a.m. CST

    This and LOST = Best shows on Network TV

    by theoyboy

    This show has tons of promise and I believe a full order of episodes (20 or so) for a second season could really ramp things up another notch in the mythos. And with T4 coming out in 2009, a new season could really be big in the ratings if they advertise it right. No way FOX passes renewing this for a second year.

  • March 3, 2008, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Not only does this show not deserve a 2nd season....

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    but it didn't even deserve the first.

  • March 3, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Better than Heroes.

    by skywalkerfamily

    Heroes and Jericho put me to sleep, but this show is fun. Not better than 24 though.

  • March 3, 2008, 2:11 a.m. CST

    I was hooked after episode 3! Great show!

    by smellmycheese

    The computer that could play chess, the early robotic AI thing at the science fair, the ballet scene at the end of last weeks episode and that horrendous creature sitting in the tub at the end of episode 3. It philosophically shows us the similarities between man and machine, the grey areas between the light and the dark, and the greatness that man could achieve if only he wasn't so destructive. It's what ST:TNG would be if Data was a Cylon, it's BSG set on modern Earth. This show is fucking great.<br><br>It's had a strong, solid start, largely ignores the shitfest that was T3 (that film was truly dreadful) and is by and large completely faithful to T1 and T2, with a few nice nods thrown in too.<br><br>With BSG coming to an end, Prison Break over (for now at least), Heroes lacking, 4400 cancelled, and Lost drawing to a close with shorter seasons, I NEED a new, GOOD sci-fi show that I can tune in to and enjoy! Terminator:TSCC definitely shows that potential if given the opportunity and space to bloom. Ignore the declarations of the female cast being hot - I can't say they are but they're neither unattractive nor bad actresses. In fact, the entire cast is strong, the writing is strong, as is the production. The show is quite simply finding its feet during its early days (as most good shows do) and considering it's a TV spinoff from a legendary movie that was made 24 years ago it's doing pretty well to impress. I sincerely hope it gets a second season because it's showing a lot of potential and deserves the chance to expand.

  • March 3, 2008, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Terminator is what Bionic Woman couldn't figure out

    by skywalkerfamily

    Bionic Woman was a lame show that tried to appeal to everyone. This show just concentrates on it's storyline, and forgets about trying to appeal to everyone.

  • March 3, 2008, 2:18 a.m. CST

    My friends and I are all hooked

    by Just another useless chump with a microphone

    We're all in our late 20's, early 30's, and for most of us, T2 was one of our first real "R" movies as kids. This show REALLY honors T1 and T2, while expanding on the universe. I saw the leaked pilot back in September and was thoroughly unimpressed, but I have to admit it's grabbed me by the balls. It's the only show that I WILL NOT MISS. Anything else, I'll download and watch at my leisure...this one, my friends and I will actually gather at someone's house to watch and talk about. I think one of the best things about it is the fact that this show is constantly moving. A lot of hourlong dramas, particularly sci-fi, like to spend their first season establishing their mythos, and then just spinning their wheels. Terminator: TSCC has changed in every episode. Characters have been brought in, characters have died, characters have grown. I honestly thought the FBI Agent would be a pretty static character, but he's ALREADY starting to believe the Connors about the coming future. I didn't see that coming so early. The acting in this show is pretty top-notch too. Maybe I had low expectations, but I've been impressed in every episode. Summer Glau could easily have phoned in her performance as an emotionless killing machine, but she doesn't. She is oddly emotive, and you can see her robot brain learning and digesting. As said before, Lena Headey and Thomas Decker handle their roles brilliantly as the Connors. And you know, when Brian Austin Green was cast, I groaned and rolled my eyes. But damned if he isn't taking this role seriously, and doing a fucking good job of it. I never, EVER thought I'd be able to take him seriously, but he's doing a damn good job (and who knew he'd grow up to look just like a scruffy Vince Vaughn?). I really, really hope that this gets renewed for a second season, if only because I want to see where they go with it. I like the idea that things in the past can change SOME things in the future, like pushing back Judgement Day, but it's still GOING to happen at some point. I have been really surprised at how much I like this show. I hope that there will be more.

  • March 3, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Goddammit

    by Just another useless chump with a microphone

    I forgot that AICN talkbacks don't automatically accept your formatting when you put spaces between your paragraphs. I forgot to put in HTML breaks. Sorry bout the giant Block O' Text.

  • March 3, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    dousheBAG

    by bibble 3000

    with my super-tard work schedule, i only got to see the first 3 episodes, but the news that Brian Austin Green is in it kinda makes my dread the eventual torrenting that shall come my way.... <p> oh, and did anyone else notice prunkhaft's hypocrisy? dude, shut the frak up and take your own advice

  • March 3, 2008, 2:25 a.m. CST

    The first episode was free on itunes

    by skywalkerfamily

    I got hooked by that. Also, you can watch any FOX show for free legally on Fox.com

  • March 3, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST

    This show sucks. Sorry. It does.

    by Ash Talon

    People just like cheese, I supppose. I've only watched the first 3 or so episodes and found it boring and almost nonsensical. Several plot points are downright retarded. Terrible dialogue as well. Regarding Headey as Connor? She's awful. She can't emote or act tough. You can't possibly believe this is the same character from Terminator 1 or 2. She's way too soft and didn't even get in shape for the role. She has no muscle tone. She wouldn't be able to kick my ass if both of my arms were tied behind my back. In fact, I dare her to try.

  • March 3, 2008, 2:31 a.m. CST

    What's funny is that I thought

    by cookepuss

    Brian Austen Green was going to be bad. He's actually not. I'm not gonna marry him off to my sister or anything, but he's not a scene killer. That distinction is reserved for the FBI guy right now. <p> <p> I also love the recasting of Bruce Davison as the doctor from T1 & T2. Genius casting actually. <p> <p> Hands down, the best thing about this show is that they're not afraid to show the future. T2 & T3 shyed away from it. TSSC goes back to T1 and actually shows you a world at war with the machines. Any scene in the future is just pure gold here. <p> <p> BTW, anybody who disses Ted McGinley is gonna have to fight me. Well, Harry first and then me. Oh. Forgot about the TMG fan club. Okay. Anybody who disses Ted McGinley has to fight the TMG Fan Club then Harry and THEN me. Hmm... I think my brother Joe likes him even more than the fan club. Okay Joe then TMG then Harry. I'll kick the crap out of anybody left, provided I have time and can do some stretches first. =)

  • March 3, 2008, 2:37 a.m. CST

    played out:::

    by rartus

  • March 3, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Don't renew this garbage!!! please!!!

    by Orionsangels

  • March 3, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    played out:::

    by rartus

    Love 24 dug Prison Break before they completely lost the story this season terminator had a good opening, but I haven't been able to stay awake for the last 3 i recorded. hate to say it, but.... DELETED!!!

  • March 3, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    played out:::

    by rartus

    Love 24 dug Prison Break before they completely lost the story this season terminator had a good opening, but I haven't been able to stay awake for the last 3 i recorded. hate to say it, but.... DELETED!!!

  • March 3, 2008, 2:42 a.m. CST

    i miss evil Arnie

    by Prossor

    the bad terminator is a total pussy compared to evil Arnie from T1. maybe they should make it a miniseries on HBO like Band of Brothers

  • March 3, 2008, 3:09 a.m. CST

    yeah, it's better than Prison Break

    by newc0253

    but then nearly anything is better than that mouth-breathing show.<p> I've only seen two eps of The Sarah Connor Chronicles: the pluses? Summer Glau, the action, Summer Glau, writing that isn't completely terrible, Summar Glau, the music, Summer Glau, some of the ideas, Leana Heady is easy on the eyes, Summer Glau.<p> the minuses? Leana Heady might be a good actress but her character has only a three-note range: angry, angrier and concerned; the writing isn't completely terrible but it isn't all there yet. There are good moments, though, and glimmers of increasing cleverness so i'm gonna keep watching for the time being.

  • This show embraces the first two movies and has the spirit of the franchise that was lacking in the shitfest known as T3.

  • March 3, 2008, 3:16 a.m. CST

    And BAG rules..

    by UMAGA

    If you can't get over the fact that he was in 90210 then that's your own fucking fault. He is great as Derek.

  • March 3, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    And 3rd, if you've only seen a few episodes..

    by UMAGA

    Then you shouldn't be commenting. Episode 6 "Dungeons & Dragons" was the best.

  • March 3, 2008, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Sarah Connor and Supernatural mentioned by Herc!

    by David Cloverfield

    Cats and dogs living together! Mass histeria!

  • March 3, 2008, 3:50 a.m. CST

    You guys that are judging by just a few episodes

    by 8266665

    Really need to watch the rest. They hooked me in the two episodes where cameron let two innocent people die. You can't get brutal reality like that on any other show. I really think these actions are gonna change the kid John Connor into the future JC who will sacrafice people so that mankind will survive.

  • March 3, 2008, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Not sure if that was a knock against Supernatural

    by Retlaw Kciuq

    Herc, but I know for a fact it's one of the best genre series to come around in a long time, and it's much better than Buffy. Then again, a lot of the shows you parade on here praising aren't worthy of the praise at all. So maybe I will like this show. Maybe, maybe not. Can't hurt.

  • March 3, 2008, 4:30 a.m. CST

    The Hand of God

    by Pipple

    reaching out to man.... "come with me if you want to live." Yeah this son of a bitch deserves to go on after lines like that. It started slow and clunkly but recent episodes have been the best action television I've seen on network tv since walker texas ranger sadly ended its ass kickery.

  • March 3, 2008, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Its pretty good, worth keeping around.

    by DarthScotland

    Better than T1 or T2, no and no, better than T3, yes. Better than Prison break and Supernatural, most definitely, better than Dexter certainly not. I've been enjoying it though, it deserves to stay around as long as they keep it relatively sensible, it should only be around for 2-3 seasons max as it will quickly get silly if everytime a certain problem (evil terminator shinnanigans) is overcome they simply say 'oh, and then they sent another one back...'

  • March 3, 2008, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Dexter is king

    by David Cloverfield

    A league on it's own. Can't compare it to any other show.

  • March 3, 2008, 4:49 a.m. CST

    ShogunMaster

    by optimus122

    How does cock taste? You must be gay if you think Lena and Summer aren't porkable. And really , who gives a fuck what you think..you feel me?

  • March 3, 2008, 5:04 a.m. CST

    the show has gotten great

    by angrykirby.tk

    the episodes with the future stuff are really well done. I fucking love terminator fiction, this show isnt perfect but still it kicks ass

  • March 3, 2008, 5:24 a.m. CST

    One of the surprisingly bright spots on a dismal season

    by Yeti

    Hopefully Fox will renew but chances are they'll opt for a more profitable (read cheaper to make) "reality" show like "Branson's Even Bigger Give at Paradise Hotel on Temptation Island" or some junk.

  • March 3, 2008, 5:37 a.m. CST

    THE WIRE Is The Best Show On TV, Of All Time

    by LaserPants

    Soon it will be over, but THE WIRE is the best show on tv. The best show ever. Its the yardstick from which every other tv shows should be judged. Most other 'serious' shows, even the good ones, seem laughably bad when compared to THE WIRE.

  • March 3, 2008, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Well said LaserPants

    by Mr. Graboid

    The Wire is television beyond. How they are able to keep the bar as high as they do I will never know.. But it sure is impressive.

  • March 3, 2008, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Kill this pathetic beast.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Kill the fucking show and pray FOX can throw something FX quality in it's slot. <p> Ever wonder why the parent company can have nearly every show on FX great and the opposite for FOX?

  • March 3, 2008, 6:04 a.m. CST

    This is an AWFUL show

    by the_scream

    Couldn't get past the pilot. The most unintentionally funny thing I've ever seen. Bad scripts, bad acting, bad fx, and every possible rip off from the movies possible. Kill it off.

  • March 3, 2008, 6:07 a.m. CST

    You need to watch all the episodes

    by optimus grime

    I didn't much like the first three episodes, partly because it was hard to accept the new actors and situations as really being Terminator that we know and love, and it seemed like it was spinning off into a boring and repetitive chase movie. But after it established its parameters, and you accept the new incarnation as more than the fan-fiction T3 was, it really grips you and adds a lot to the canon. At first it seemed to be rehashing the themes of T2, but now it's building on them, especially the mother/son relationship and the transformation from kid to general. At first it seems kind of ridiculous that SO DANG MANY terminators and resistance fighters were sent back through time, but once you kind of accept that's where they're going with it, I like the little world they're creating with it. And I agree that the Dungeons and Dragons episode, which takes us to the future war, is the best so far. Bring on more!

  • March 3, 2008, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Season finale? This show just started

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Are they trying to out tease Lost?

  • March 3, 2008, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Not Yet Great, But Very Good...

    by BigCoffinHunter

    Of course the show is not as good as the first two movies, but I can't understand why Fox would even think of not coming back with a 2nd season. Please do the right thing Fox and sign it up for a second run.

  • March 3, 2008, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Renewed

    by Alientoast

    Fox recently changed the commercials from "season finale" to "cliffhanger season finale". That notes a possible renewal. Plus I've heard the show has been pulling 24-style ratings in it's timeslot. I think the show is safe. PS: Herc, I find it ironic you lavish a little praise on Dexter yet YOU NEVER POSTED A DAMNED TALKBACK FOR IT.

  • March 3, 2008, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Best show on TV.....next to Dexter!

    by jojo-pimp

    just started watching Lost..so cant compare it to that. Nip/Tuck was kinda silly this season...the only thing i would probably say is better is Dexter.

  • March 3, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST

    andre royo?

    by Holodigm

    ...bubbles?

  • March 3, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    right now it's exactly teh same quality of ST:TNG S1

    by logicalnoise01

    first season of that show was a bit off but there was cool homages done and some cool charectar development but nothing completly solid just yet and then right at the end they started getting their groove. Termionator has consitantly gotten better. If your a neilsen house go watch the finale, if not watch it if ya want but you may be quite puzzled(not lost puzzled though).

  • March 3, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    apparently renewed for the fall

    by Bouncy X

    someone posted somewhere that Entertainment Tonight had a story on Summer and mentioned it had been renewed so guess its just a matter of when they announce it.

  • March 3, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    BTW fuck you herc....

    by logicalnoise01

    for not giving the show a chance after it's year old pilot. The first 5 or so eps were being run by one of the 3 producers because of the strike and all considering he did a great job.

  • March 3, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Will the finale explain Sarah's obsession with pancakes?

    by tonagan

    She mentions them, or is making them, in almost every episode.

  • March 3, 2008, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Timeline note

    by MrD

    T2 is the first in the series to screw up the time. T1 was set in 1983/84, which means that John should have been under 10 at the time of T2, which he clearly was not. John is supposed to be 15 at the start of T:TSCC in 1999 (in which case the actor is woefully miscast as he can't pass for under 17).

  • March 3, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Love This Show

    by RockyG

    Bring it back for a second round please. Great fucking show. On a side note...Where's the talk back for Breaking Bad. This is one of the best shows to come on TV in a long time.

  • March 3, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    As good as Dexter?

    by nalapou

    A FOX show? Laughable. Lost is the only show on tv that compares to/is better than Dexter.

  • March 3, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Terminator is the only Fox show I bother to watch...

    by tylerzero

    ...and even then I've only been watching it online while I surf porn.

  • March 3, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    I've enjoyed Terminator

    by GregoryHarbin

    But I can't imagine it getting renewed. The ratings just aren't high enough to justify the budget. If only it'd gotten the post-Super Bowl spot....

  • March 3, 2008, 7:49 a.m. CST

    SUPERNATURAL

    by Shermdawg

  • March 3, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    It doesn't matter.....IT HAS SUMMER GLAU!!

    by BetaRayBill07

    Absolutely smokin'. Luscious female or machine, I'd hit that.

  • March 3, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Most likely not renewed for a 2nd season..

    by mistergreen

    Sarah Conner is pretty damn hot though.. That's why I watch it.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    It has a lot of action....

    by Mr. Profit

    Especially for a TV show, it consistantly provides action on a weekly basis. And that's what I fear will ship the show off to cancellationville. I bet Fox will bitch about the show being too expensive to produce. But I think its a good, well done show. So what if it aint T1 or T2, for a TV show it delivers. I'll be upset to see it go.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Timeline is mostly correct

    by Anakin Whoopass

    T1 was May 1984 (the cop Reese took the gun from said May), so John Connor was born in February 1985. John was 12 in T2 and it was set in 1997. Judgment Day was to be later that year, explaining Sarah's urgency. John would be 14 in 1999 but would have turned 15 during the school year that was starting in the pilot.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    TO ALL YOU SUPERNATURAL HATERS

    by nrn

    You don't know what your missing, Supernatural is the shit. Its one of the best shows on TV. <BR> Best shows on tv as followed: Dexter -> Lost -> TSCCC -> Supernatural -> Jericho -> Kyle XY -> Medium -> Everything else.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Oh shit I forgot this is fox

    by Pipple

    We should expect any quality programming to be canned mercilessly.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Brian Austin Green

    by Mr. Profit

    I was weary when I saw his name in the credits, but he is really working hard to get rid of his 90210 past. It's funny how he gets a lot of bullshit, yet other actors who appeared on crapfest TV shows back in the day don't get any hate. The guy does a good job on the show, and his "Lost" like Flashback episode was a highlight. And he also get's to bang Meagan Fox, so I guess he really doesn't care what some stupid talkbackers think about him.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    I think the show started slow and weak...

    by BizarroJerry

    But it's picked up momentum and gotten increasingly better. The flash forwards to the future and movie connections have made it better. Last episodes references to the events in T2 as some sort of religious experience were very cool. Makes sense that some one would go nutty after witnessing that. "He was like Mercury..." or whatever. Great stuff. Even though Davison in no way resembles the original actor.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    I really hope TERMINATOR: TSCC gets renewed for Season 2

    by SpyGuy

    Is it the best show on TV? No, but it's still better than 90% of what's on and keeps us from more bullshit like AMERICAN IDOL, THE MOMENT OF TRUTH, 'TIL DEATH, and SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE. <p>And if Fox doesn't renew it, Sci Fi should pick it up because when BATTLESTAR GALACTICA and DOCTOR WHO isn't airing, their so-called channel is absolute crap on a crap cracker.</p>

  • March 3, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    I agree with the talkbacker who said...

    by turketron

    "This show is watchable, but that's about it". It's probably on par with Heroes season 2.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Brian Austin Green sucks cadaver nipple

    by Vulcan Deathgrip Productions

    I used to watch this show until he showed up as Michael Biehn's brother. A travesty really. Coulda been a contender...

  • March 3, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    better get renewed

    by Judge Briggs

    it has been getting good ratings and i saw in the last EW that it is one of the top bought shows on iTunes and Amazon.com. Summer Glau is so delicious. imagine who gets to bang that... prolly some asshole with primped eye brows and wears black leather coats with a stupid NY accent... no offense to you NYers but you all dress and look the same! and they flood MD schools! lol

  • March 3, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Jett: Furlong was 13

    by Anakin Whoopass

    No way I'm buying he was supposed to be 10. T3 said John was making out with Kate Brewster after school just before the events of T2, which would call for more hormones. By mentioning Sarah's cancer TSSC validated T3's timeline would have happened if not for the cyborgs that went back to 1999.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Thought could ONLY travel BACK in time.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Sucks they can now travel forwards in time. <p> That means they can keep pumping humans from the future and return them. <p> Hated every Terminator except the First. <p> Mainly because Arnold, like Chuck Norris, wanted a redo on being the bad guy.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Garret Dillahunt kiss of death for a show.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Like him as an actor, but every show he stars in goes under faster than normal. <p> Hope his curse doesn't fuck up LIFE.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Ya know...

    by Nesstar

    There's a major quandry in the fact that John Connor even exists. You talk about justifying timelines, etc. If the machines never rise up, then they never create the time machine. If they never create the time machine then John's daddy would have never come back in time and porked John's mommy. So for his own sake, John had better hope he never stops the machines, or he'll disappear in a *POOF* into obscurity.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Is Summer Glau her real name?

    by rainbowtrout1265

    It can't be.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Well, I hope it gets renewed

    by duct tape wallet

    As others have said, I like the cast (although BAG's character is still taking me a while to invest in), like the tie-in's to the previous movies, and think the story line is interesting and I'd like to see where it goes. I pretty much concur with everything rsanta74 said toward the beginning of this talback. And, no I'm not him.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Renew it

    by mayorofsimpleton

    It's better than Heroes, that's for sure. The only complaint I have is that as a person who has only seen Terminator and T2 once when they came out years ago, the future war episode was very confusing. I do very much look forward to this show and they should renew it for no other reason than the new movie is coming out and they could probably make cash tying in.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    about time

    by tha plow

    this show got some talkback.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    It's a good show

    by veritasses

    but it doesn't deserve to be mentioned among the top tier great shows like Lost, Mad Men or BSG. It does, however, have enough going for it to deserve a 2nd season.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    fuck prison break

    by logicalnoise01

    SCC pulls in more ratings consitantly this season and yet it's the one up for the chopping block.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    This dreck was doomed...

    by poeticwarriorII

    from the get go. The writing in this POS makes me wish the strike was still on.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    "SPOLIERS" NOW CONSIST OF TV GUIDE RECAPS?!?

    by uss cygnus

    Are you fucking kidding me? It's hard to criticize standards for quality when they have none!

  • March 3, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Terminator fans have no excuse

    by chutneylix

    for making fun of this show. I'm sorry but I think it keeps true to the movies for the most part, including all the cheesy voiceovers. If you loved the movies, then this show is about as good. As for me its decently entertaining enough and Lena Headey sells the role of a mother/fighter better than the original. Linda Hamilton was good but she's not exactly queen of subtlety.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Love this show

    by photoboy

    I really hope it does get a second season. It had a shit first episode and a bit of a slow start with all that Turk business but it's been pure gold the past few weeks. I really want to know what Skynet's up to, it's clearly got some weird shit going on in the future with those people it was experimenting on.<br><br> Also, the scenes where that endoskeleton was going around in a ski mask looking to grow new skin were really creepy. It's the first time the Terminators have been really scary since T1 I thought.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    I watched the first three episodes

    by Abominable Snowcone

    then stopped. Not engaging enough to keep me, and I LOVE the Terminator films. Cancel the show, I won't miss it.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Ash

    by chutneylix

    To that Ash guy...they obviously had to soften the Sarah Connor's character a bit for people to be able to handle her week after week. I agree she's totally less gritty than in the movies. But hours and hours of Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor would have been painful. I like her in other stuff, just couldn't stand her over the top screaming in the T movies. Lena heady in that way is better. She's still a bit awkward with the American accent though which is a shame. I could go for another season.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    To all haters

    by lostbat

    It's better then T3. It has more character development then the entire T-series. Don't give us the bull....t about timeline mistakes. Who cares!! Get a life!!This is good televison and it would be a shame when it gets canned. Enough harm has been done this television season. Season 2 bring it on!! Last weeks worldwide mystery/SF top 5: Lost "outstanding", Sarah Connor, Supernatural "getting better", SG Atlantis " just fun" and don't forget the strong second Season of Torchwood. Can't wait for BSG and yes I am missing my weekly shot of 24 desperately.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    No, Brian Austin Green doesn't suck..

    by red1701

    Cadaver nipples..he sucks Megan Fox's nipples. there is no comeback for that one. http://celebslam.buzznet.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/brian-austin-greene-gossip-2.jpg

  • March 3, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Rules of time travel? What is that shit?

    by I Dunno

    Did Jebus come down and clue us all in about the rules of time travel? Because I never saw them. Terminator seems to suscribe to the "Back to the Future" rules of time travel. Whenever something is changed, a new timeline is created. So SkyNet could theoretically be eliminated and whatever terminators are her are safe in this timeline because it's a different timeline. <p> Who cares, Summer Glau is hot. </p><p>One encouraging thing is that the big ass LED billboard has an advertisement for Terminator on it. If Fox put up the green for that, they might be considering not canceling it.</p>

  • March 3, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    ...the big ass LED billboard *by my house*, that is

    by I Dunno

    somehow that line got cut. <p>Summer Glau is still hot.</p>

  • March 3, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Brian Green

    by Alientoast

    The people crying about Brian Green in Terminator because of his lame role in 90210 remind me of the Brits who thrashed Ian McShane in Deadwood because of his role in Lovejoy or whatever the heck it was called. Not that I'm saying Brian is as good an actor as Ian, but you get the idea.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    13. Nixon was also a Douche Bag.

    by lostbat

    Death doesn't change that. Get a afterlife man!

  • March 3, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    eeehhhh an afterlife

    by lostbat

  • March 3, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Derek

    by Cobbio

    I'm with other people who watched this show until BAG showed up as Reese's brother. Fucking 90210's Brian Austin Green as legendary badass Reese's brother? Terrible, terrible casting. Whenever he comes on screen, I think, "That's the guy from 90210." Then I suddenly can't take what I'm watching seriously. Other people might be able to overlook Derek Reese, but I can't. 90210 and Terminators don't mix. Ever. This is why Richard Kelly and Tony Scott skewered them as pansies in "Domino." There's a reason BAG is the definition of typecast.<p> It's sad, really. I really enjoyed the first several episodes. The plot moved, I liked Lena Headey as Sarah, believed the kid playing John, and the action was balls out. There were a few plot contrivances I was willing to overlook for what I think was good writing, but then Derek showed up and I couldn't take the show seriously anymore. I still can't. Which for a story of this hallowed magnitude kills it dead.<p> Someone let me know when Derek dies and maybe I'll come back and watch.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Definitely want another season shows gets better and better

    by CrichtonAstronut

    Lena and Summer are brilliant and really getting in to developing their characters. The writingas gotten much better, there's a real mythos, and the series is building nicely on the concepts from the movie and the early series. The ideas are really coming together to make a great story. I'd love to see where they'd go next season.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    I'm a fan

    by Acappellaman

    It's not perfect, no, but what show is? Every show stumbles a little bit at the beginning, but like many people have said, and I agree with it, this show is growing in momentum and it's FUN! Screw time travel continuity. Once ANYTHING in the past changes, it's a new game.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    SCC sets the events of T2 in 1997

    by performingmonkey

    If you've actually watched the episodes you'll know that they keep mentioning Sarah's breakout, Dyson being killed, i.e. the events of T2, as happening in 1997, making John 13 at the time (which is realistically how it should have been all along). It should be taken as canon that T2 was set in 1997, even though T2 itself doesn't follow that line. Funnily enough it's JAMES CAMERON that fucked everything up! No-one else is to blame!!! He should have changed the dates around when they cast a 13-year-old as John.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Cobbio I don't believe you

    by lostbat

    Stop the whining about BAG. He is not that bad and the last episodes of the series were the best ones of the series including "the BAG". And I am sure you will see the last 2 episodes tonight. Just close your eyes when "the BAG" arrives;-)It will ease your terrible "Bag"-pain.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Dexter is better but the unedited Dexter

    by CrichtonAstronut

    from Showtime and the DVD set is better yet.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    odd

    by smutpeddlar

    why has this show gotten the snub here?

  • March 3, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Bailee Madison as Little Girl

    by torgosPizza

    Why do they need to list every single "guest" star? And why is the list of guests longer (and possibly more interesting) than the plot synopsis?

  • March 3, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Costs

    by MonkeyBoy88

    Josh Friedman (the show's creator and executive producer) has said that the show doesn't cost more than the standard prime-time drama, and that it was actually pretty cheap to produce for an action series.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Re: lostbat

    by Cobbio

    I should stop whining about BAG, huh? Hmm. Easy for you to write since you're willing to overlook his wimpy, chese-ass persona and pouty "blue steel" gaze. I haven't watched "SCC" since the fourth or fifth episode because of him. I don't even know what's happening on the show now. But thanks for the heads-up about BAG gracing tonight's two-hour finale. Now I won't wonder whether I should've watched it or not.

  • March 3, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    And I loved Bruce Davidson's appearance.

    by CrichtonAstronut

    Former psychiatrist now fantatical convert, to the messianic church of Sarah. I've never actually seen network friendly Dexter. Is the edit any good? seems wrong somehow, like the A&E Sopranos.

  • March 3, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Why does AICN only do TBs when some good shows are about to get

    by TVguy4566

    I have been disapointed with the lack of TBs for some good shows that hit this sites target market. No Sarah Connor Chronicles TB until potentially the last show ever. No Friday Night Light TB. No Chuck TB when it was on. We still get a SNL TB every week eventhough that show gets a fraction of the audience that most primetime shows have. Seriously, how much work is it to throw up a TB on a show eventhough Herc doesn't watch the show?

  • March 3, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Is Cameron Skynet ?

    by siatrisx

    I agree with veritasses and I'm afraid johnnyjlawless might be right. I'm a big fan of Lost so all other shows suffer in comparison. But Terminator SSC is fun. You have to get past the first 3 episodes, it does pick up. For example, the FBI agent seem useless, or just an excuse to add a CSI element to the show, but in the last episode his role is becoming justified. Also, I was wandering WTF with Cameron dancing ballet in the last episode, but what if SHE was Skynet ? I mean, they kill everybody or destroy everything that might build Skynet, and we know it gets built anyways, and John spoke of the singularity (when a machine becomes aware), so what if Cameron developed awareness and was the one who builds Skynet or wipes out humanity? Or, that her mission was to try and understand humans in order to convince Skynet or the machines to not nuke humanity? Any theories ?

  • March 3, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    TV is so outdated.

    by GibsonUSA

    I love T2. If this were the 90s and I still watched TV, I may have checked it out.

  • March 3, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    I know this is unrelated but...

    by drewlicious

    A Simpsons episode was actually funny last night. That's like the third time that's happened this year. Very funny Departed spoof. "The rat symbolizes obviousness."

  • March 3, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    This show isn't bad.

    by I Hope You Die

    After the pilot, which was truly awful and had no redeeming qualities, they made some changes and got the show on track. It's better than Prison Break; but then absolutely everything is better than Prison Break. They reenacted some scenes from Terminator 2 last episode that proved that this Sarah Connor doesn't have the acting abilities of Linda Hamilton, but she's okay. The kid who plays John Connor might as well just not be in the show. Summer Glau's face is distractingly misshapen but she manages to walk around and stare at things as well as she needs to. The action rarely tries to overstep the budget and remains convincing. It's watchable; much better than the pilot would have led me to believe. I think it's worth another season.

  • March 3, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Took me awhile to warm to it

    by allykatD

    but I'm glad I gave the show a chance. Now I'm hooked. If you're a fan of the Terminator and of the sci-fi genre, you owe it to yourself and the genre to give this show a try, or a second try if you've watched it and wasn't hooked. I say this because watching something once and blowing it off sends a bad signal that sci-fi shows aren't worth producing. I want more good sci-fi shows, not less, so lets try and support those that are on. I'm not saying watch something that you find completely unwatchable trash (like Knight Rider 2008) but give a show a seconde or third try before entirely writing it off.

  • March 3, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Thomas Dekker AKA John Connor

    by allykatD

    is fine in the role. I actually like him better than Lena Headly as Sarah Connor. I think Dekker does a great job as the young John with bursts of brilliance coupled with times of self-doubt. He has a very teenager personality that rings true.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    This show is much better than I expected it to be

    by GreatCzarsGhost

    I was expecting some lame attempt to do something vaguely Terminator-isk to milk what's left of the name (in other words, a regular Fox series) but was very surprised to find a very good Terminator television show. They have paid a lot of attention to what has come before and I get the feeling the people doing the show really like what they are doing. It looks like they are moving in a direction that might start asking what is the difference between the humans and the Robots. The last seen of last Mondays show had Cameron doing some ballet dancing. Is she starting to wonder what it is to be human? Do we have some Data/Next Gen or BG Human/Cylon stuff going on here? This could be very interesting if so and this them is carried into the next Terminator films.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    FINALLY!!!

    by SlickyVonBoner

    A talkback for one of the best new shows I've seen since lost. It's too bad there's only one episode left. Please renew for season 2!!!

  • March 3, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    RE: Is Cameron Skynet ?

    by photoboy

    I've been wondering the same thing, there's definitely something funny about her and the blue eyes obviously suggest she's a different model to the T-888s. They seem to be building on this idea that re-programmed Terminators can just suddenly go bad, maybe the re-programmed Terminators follow the same growth pattern as Skynet, they eventually become self-aware and conclude that humanity must die.<br><br> I'd be interested to know what the difference is between a T-800 and a T-888 too....

  • March 3, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    YackBacker, never heard that line, but

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    it's hysterical. Carlin's best in my opinion is "think about how dumb the average person is, then realize half the people are dumber than that."

  • March 3, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    So some of you idiots

    by SlickyVonBoner

    are actually complaing about the casting of a former 90210 actor in a TV show over 10 years later!?!? WTF! Is the guy never supposed to work again, becuase of some show he was in as a kid? He does a fine job as reese's brother. Relax dorks and try not to hate so hard.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    HOW HOT IS CAMERON / RIVER / SUMMER???

    by chanandler bong

    good show, excellent body

  • March 3, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I Love Terminator TV Series

    by Virdon

    It is the best show on TV along with Lost. Actually, these are the only two shows I watch and I am not kidding. TV SUCKS! I HATE REALITY TV OF ANY AND ALL KIND.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    The Wire and The Shield

    by TheLastCleric

    I think these two shows are on a pretty even keel in terms of quality. The Shield is a bit more extreme but overall I think both deserve the copious amounts of love they get from their respective fan bases. I’m behind on the Wire and need to catch up all the while I’m chomping my fingernails in anticipation of the final season of The Shield, which may be delayed until the fall. As to SCC, it’s a good show and despite the knee-jerk reaction by some, Brian Austin Green does a solid job as Kyle’s brother. That said, this show is nowhere near the same level as DEXTER.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I agree with SlickyVonBoner

    by allykatD

    How can you be still after a guy for a role he played 10 years ago? Get over it. Brian Austen Green is very convincing in his role of Kyle's brother. He's adding some layers to the story since he doesn't know that John is Kyle's son.

  • March 3, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    RE: Sarah's psych evaluation scene

    by digitalcos

    This scene has been mentioned a few times now as an example of bad acting on Headey's part. I have to disagree.<p>Oh, I do agree that the scene didn't quite work, but I don't blame Headey for that. I blame the director. The blocking was awkward, and it was shot poorly, too wide and stiff. Just poorly staged all around. Headey's performance was fine.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I don't envy Lena Headey

    by drewlicious

    As much as I like the show you have to admit she has pretty big shoes to fill. The role Linda Hamilton got was a character that scared the hell out of me sometimes. Not only was she built like a brick shithouse she wasn't the type who flinch over killing a computer programmer. Lena does have more going on in the looks department, though and the fact that she plays the role more feminine makes it easier to empathize with her which is necessary since we're investing hours of our time here.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    There's enough Continuity Porn in the show to make it worthwile

    by TallBoy66

    I wonder if that subject head got cut off? Anyway, maybe not the best addition to the Terminator mythos, but its interesting enough and has enough cool little moments (like when the Army/Merc Terminator - new models called the T-888- simply shut down and went into standby moment to wait for judgement day) that you'll dig on it. Just try to get past the fact that its completely different actors, and Terminator 3 didn't happen, and you'll roll with it.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Leave T1 and T2 Alone

    by bobinnova

    The series is just okay for network television (how I wished it was on cable to get full frontal nudity of Lena and Summer during the time travel sequence - maybe on the DVD?) But leave the T1 and T2 alone on the show. I could handle Thomas Dekker as John as he looks the part, and after a few episodes could even handle Lena as Sarah, until they threw in the flashback to T2 in the hospital - there was really no point to showing that - that was Linda Hamilton's role and they shouldn't be duplicating it. Why couldn't you bring Earl Boen (the original Dr. Silberman in T1-3) to re-create his part? It's not like he's hurting for work these days doing Kim Possible voice work. And how cool would it have been to have Michael Biehn do a brief cameo of Kyle Reese? If they are going to do a Season 2, have it lead up to the T4 movie where the series ends with a nuke detonation. Maybe even have a countdown clock running on the lower corner of screen counting down the days, hours, and minutes until the machines take over.

  • March 3, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Also, we need season 2 so John Will Fuck The Terminator

    by TallBoy66

    He has to do it because they wouldn't build up all that sexual tension between Connor and Cameron without the eventual release. Pun intended. Thats way it adds a really fucked up dimension to John's eventual quest to destory the machines ... because they took his innocence!!! He's just getting back at Cameron for being his First, over and over. How crazy is that?

  • March 3, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    "Some to kill him, one to protect him"

    by redfang

    Skynet *knows* that its creation is part of a temporal loop. It may even have known so from the start, and that's *why* it sent Arnie back in the first place (and maybe "let" Connor send Reese back as well; note that we were told that Connor couldn't have captured the Skynet time machine without help from the "reprogrammed" terminators). Whether or not Skynet originally knew that John Connor was essential to its creation, it knows it "now" (whatever that means in this context). Cameron is protecting John Conner.... but on Skynet's behalf, to ensure that the time loop remains unbroken. It's all there in plain sight. Look at the series' opening narration, and note the first pronoun in the second sentence: "In the future, my son will lead mankind in a war against Skynet, the computer system programmed to destroy the world. *It* has sent machines back through time, some to kill him, one to protect him. Today we fight to stop Skynet from ever being created. To change our future, to change his fate. The war to save mankind begins now."

  • March 3, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST

    The Future war episode is the best one so far

    by skywalkerfamily

    The visuals on the show are top notch, and the acting is great.

  • March 3, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I hope there are metallic killing robots in this.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • March 3, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Slow Start--Damned Good Show

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    I agree with the common consensus--this show is at *least* damned good (with a couple of superb episodes). For those of you who (understandably) gave up after the first few weak episodes: please go to fox.com and give it a second chance. HERC, this includes you!! *Watch the whole season and then judge*.<BR><BR>Anyway, I hope Fox renews. It's good news when a series heats up this quickly. Hell, the first season of HEROES was UTTERLY unwatchable after this many episodes (bad example I know since HEROES is *again* typically unwatchable as of the beginning of season 2).

  • March 3, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    summer glau looks like an alien

    by ironic_name

    or devon aoki.

  • March 3, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    a very pretty alien

    by samsquanch

    But something tells me it's not much of a thespian stretch for her to play the vacant-eyed robot every week.

  • March 3, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    The SCC timeline IS wrong

    by UMAGA

    There's a big thread on it here, http://www.terminatorfiles.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1031. T2 is supposed to take place in 94/95 with John being 10. They bumped it up to 97.

  • March 3, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Dumb, but fun

    by Dangerousapple

    This show is oddly entertaining, despite it's many flaws. For one thing, it's pretty dumb with some glaring mistakes. It's not TRANSFORMERS dumb mind you (which I swear knocked off a few points from my IQ through it's sheer stupidity). Let's look at SOME of the most obvious mistakes. For instance, the head trough the time portal. SEVERAL mistakes here. How did the metal head pass through with no skin on it?? T1 stated that Terminators can pass the portal only because of their organic skin , this blatently contradicts that rule (which already made no sense to begin with). Also, how does the body find the head? How does it see with no eyes? And even more important, how can it function without a chip? Removing the chip from the head will deactivate a terminator, but removing an entire head does not? Stupid. And what about the skin bath. The show states that lying in a chemical solution combined with blood will make skin grow on metal. Several problems here. How does the skin form in such a way that it neatly covers the endoskelaton in a very human looking way? And how does the cartilage from to make up ears and the nose? But still, a lot of fun.

  • March 3, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    id hit it, but she stole vic morrow's extra forehead

    by ironic_name

  • March 3, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Chronicles is great

    by smackfu

    I hated the very idea of it but was surprised by how closely they managed to keep the atmosphere of the first two movies. In all honesty, I'd rather see a continuing strong run of Chronicles than the T4 movie.

  • March 3, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I love this show!

    by odysseus

    Let's hope Fox renews it.

  • March 3, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Dangerousapple: responses to "dumb" charge

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    1. the skull through the portal problem could be explained by the skin melting off the exoskeleton skull in transit. Still, they should've SHOWN that (even though it'd be fairly gruesome for prime time).<BR><BR>2. How does the body find the head? T1 established body parts moving independently of the head when ripped apart. It's not way out there either. There could be a bit of homing hardware built into various parts of the exoskeleton which could seek the active head (in reasonable proximity). There could also be low functioning, emergency "eyes" built into various locations in the chassis for such an emergency situation. In any case, wireless functionality making the body move independently of the head is not at all far fetched.<BR><BR>3. "Removing the chip from the head will deactivate a terminator, but removing an entire head does not?" Again, rewatch T1. These machines are designed to be very difficult to destroy. The head and body could easily have back up power sources. The head, of course, contains the microchip "brain" so it stands to reason that once that chip was destroyed (or removed) the whole unit would deactivate.<BR><BR>4. The skin bath. You've got me there and are completely right about cartilage. Since most of the rebuilding took place off-camera, though, (and since we're swallowing some pretty far-fetched concepts anyway due to the very nature of the original plot) I was able to suspend my disbelief pretty easily. <BR><BR>So, sure, there are some logistical difficulties and inconsistencies, but no more than the average sci-fi/fantasy tv show (don't even get me started on HEROES). From a plot/character growth and basic writing perspective, any niggling problems notwithstanding, the last few episodes have been executed superbly. The writing the last couple of episodes has been, imo, close to top notch.

  • March 3, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Termiplot Holes

    by Alientoast

    Well the Terminator mythology has lots of plot holes. Like the living tissue...how exactly does the living tissue get the nourishment it needs to remain living? Cameron seems to kind of solve this, by virtue of the fact she can eat. But none of the other ones can eat, so far as we have seen.

  • March 3, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Cobbio

    by optimus122

    YOUR A MORON

  • March 3, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    ASSWIPES

    by optimus122

    Some of you brain surgeons make me laugh...you don't like BAG because of 90210 but you all love Bale and he did crap like Newsies lmfao..please stop with the normal " its AICN and I need to be witty and obnoxious with my replys " crap because it just makes you look like a douchebag.

  • March 3, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    RE: Le Vicious Fishus

    by Dangerousapple

    Regarding point 1 about the skull, since they show no skin - I operate from a no skin hypothasis. And while your explaination fits, I don't get the feeling that's how the writers intended it. It's a major oversight, plain and simple. You points under (2) are all valid. However, the Terminator POV is a Termintar staple that has been used in every iteration. We heve never seen a POV from a point other than the eyes, and are shown repeatedly damaging the eyes (or head) disrupts the Terminator POV. I can get behind your reasoning behind (3) as a satysfying solution (but again, I have the nagging feeling this is another oversight by the writers). But at the end of the day, like you, I very much enjoy the show and look forward to watching it every week. 'Terminator' is an entarintaining franchise and so far this is a pretty decent addition with a lot of potential to grow and improve.

  • March 3, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Redundant and Wooden as Hell.

    by cowboyone

    Are they all Terminators? What the hell is with the acting/casting?! Effeminate Zac Efron type as John Connor? The only one who "acts" is the hot Whedon chick. Friedman is phoning it in.

  • March 3, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    I was skeptical but

    by thejwac

    this show works great as disposable entertainment while I wait for Thursday to come and for Lost to blow me. Away.

  • March 3, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Dangerousapple--an answer from Josh Friedman!

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Well stated, sir. Well stated, indeed. <BR><BR>"How did the terminator head travel through time? <BR><BR> According to creator and executive producer Josh Friedman, there is still flesh (at the time burning from the effects of the plasma weapon) on Cromartie's head when it enters the portal. This allows it to time travel. The flesh is completely consumed when the Cromartie's head exits the portal, thus leaving only a metallic skull. <BR><BR> His words: 'When Cromarties head goes through the time bubble, THERE IS FLESH ON IT. If you cant see it, thats because a) its burning off very quickly and b) certain people dont like it when we show burning flesh, cyborg or not.'"<BR><BR>All that quoted from imdb.com. Y'know, I posited this myself, but I gotta admit that it is not an altogether satisfactory response (and may well have been a cover story after they let a big mistake slip through their fingers). For one thing, if the "didn't want to show that gruesome an image" rationale holds, why do they keep showing the clip from Sarah's nightmare (in the pilot's opening) in which the nuclear blast strips the flesh from a terminator's entire body? That stated, at least they have a position (and the writing and missteps in the last half of the tiny season has been FAR superior to the first half).

  • March 3, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Grammar check--ugh

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    The writing in the last half of the show's tiny season has been FAR superior to the first half.

  • March 3, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    If u think this is getting canceled..u are retarded!

    by jojo-pimp

    Like it or not, this show has had high and consistent ratings, and obviously Fox wants to keep up interest in this franchise with the new film coming out next year. So whether you like it or not, face it, this show WILL have a second season.

  • March 3, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Here's thebearovingian with your ESPN update

    by thebearovingian

    Yao Ming's foot surgery was successful today.<p> Randy Moss and the Patriots are finalizing a new 3 year, $27 million deal.

  • March 3, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    John on Cameron=Really frakked up

    by drewlicious

    On top of all that was mentioned earlier she's also masquerading as his sister. So we can add incest to the whole equation. That can be end of season 2, season 3 can be John recovering from a fractured pelvis.

  • March 3, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Season 2 of Dexter was pretty bad

    by punto

    compared with the first one. Still pretty watchable, which is what Terminator is. You can tell they've had some really bad scripts, and some really low budget episodes.. But still they've managed to keep it interesting, unlike Bionic Woman (which had a similar hype when it launched). And they have _no idea_ of what to do with the Cameron character. <p> Also, the first thing I though when I learned who was playing the female terminator was "I wonder how long it will take them to come up with an excuse to make her dance". It was pretty weak, Firefly was a lot better.

  • March 3, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    The ballet twist was awesome though...

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    That was an example of simply innovative (and strong) writing, directing and performing. I love the counterpoint between Cameron's cold diss of the chess master and his sister and Sarah's unwillingness to let a potential enemy suffer and die. This series has already reached a philosophical depth untapped by any of the T movies imo.

  • March 3, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    "John recovering from a fractured pelvis."

    by TallBoy66

    That's be an amazing Season 3 arc. After finally sealing the deal with the Terminator, John spends the first 10 episodes sitting in bed, avoiding awkward silences with Cameron (who still has a habbit of walking around in her underwear) while his mom feeds him chicken soup, bitching him out all the while, and BAG spends most of the time yelling about "how she's a machine and you can't trust her!" Turns out John can't trust her. And the reason Cameron is different is because she can get pregnant. Season 4: Lil' Terminator Babies Save the World!!

  • March 3, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Damn you Michael Bay

    by Pipple

    You can shove your "awesome" fios right up your ass.

  • March 3, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Time portals..

    by SlickyVonBoner

    The whole flesh-covered-metal-only through the time portal thing was shot to hell in T2. Because that T-1000 was all liquid metal, with no skin. My logic is that the machines upgraded their time-machines so that all-metal can pass through, but the resistance is using an older stolen one. which works fine for them, as they are all flesh anyways. I did enjoy something I saw in one of the Terminator comic books where three terminators were heading back in time and kill some human and stuffed some futuristic weapons in the corpse so that it would pass through the time-portal. I always thought that was clever.

  • March 3, 2008, 7:43 p.m. CST

    The last 2 eps were terrific

    by My Pretty Pony

    The show has only gotten better and better. BAG is doing an awesome job and his character has only added to the show. I also think they've done a great job of honoring the movies (not the crappy third one). At first, I thought the actress playing Sarah was pretty dull, but her acting has improved quite a bit. I have to agree with the poster who mentioned that ballet scene at the end of last week's ep. That was a perfect example of the potential this show has. It is definitely the opposite of what they did w/ that terrible Bionic Woman remake. SCC deserves a second season. Couldn't FOX do something right, for once??

  • March 3, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Brian Austin Green

    by My Pretty Pony

    Who cares that he used to be on 90210?! That was ages ago. Isn't he in his thirties now? I think he's doing a great job on SCC. I like his take on the character, and I don't see how him being on 90210 many years ago has anything to do w/ a completely different character he's playing now. I should add that I absolutely hated 90210 and think it's one of the worst TV shows ever conceived.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST

    TENSE

    by smutpeddlar

    half way thru..and this sh*t it tense,Garret Dillahunt kicks ass,makes me wish they would get around to making the deadwood movies...summer is hella hot

  • March 3, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Too bad this episode ends on a cliffhanger

    by skywalkerfamily

    so if it's canceled we'll never know what happens.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST

    just starting

    by smutpeddlar

    i think this show is just starting to scratch the surface,its hitting its stride,terminators sent back to be supportive husbands?..awesome,if mcg had a brain he would go to the mat to keep this show on,and get with the producers about using this show as a springboard for the movie..and everyone complaining about canon..lol,time travel is a pradox..thats the whole point..thats what has always made it great

  • March 3, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    say what you will

    by moondoggy2u

    but that happy birthday scene was one of the best scenes in any terminator series OR movie. That was some damn good writing.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    TIME PARADOX

    by Pipple

    SNAKE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU'LL CREATE A TIME PARADOX!

  • March 3, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    BRIAN AUSTIN GREEN = WUSS

    by Mullah Omar

    ...is someone I can't buy in that role. I never watched 90210 and that has nothing to do with it. With that pinched, LA-dude voice and metrosexual looks, I just can't buy him as a tough guy who survived a brutal future. Aren't there any believably tough young guys in Hollywood?

  • March 3, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    I'm with ya moondoggy2u

    by br1947

    That was good, worth the series just to setup that scene. I hope there's more but if not, it's been a fun ride. Better than T3 at least.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    IT'S RAINING MEN!!! HALLELUJA

    by Pipple

  • March 3, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    these two eps were bloody fuckin brilliant

    by mthrndr

    I've watched the whole series, and the episodes have been hit or miss. But these two were just fantastic television.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    wow, what a great episode

    by moondoggy2u

    And like I said earlier, that scene where John and his uncle sit at a bench and watch the young reese brothers play catch has got to be one of the most heartfelt, sad, and slightly eery scenes in all of the franchise. A truly memorable scene.

  • March 3, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Ohhh that car-bomber is in for one nasty surprise...

    by moondoggy2u

  • March 3, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    by smutpeddlar

    w-o-w

  • March 3, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    i hope they actually get a nice budget for next season

    by livahd

    that way we can see endos that dont look like upn cgi

  • March 3, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    The Man Comes Around

    by Hikaru Ichijo

    All you slovenly, masturbating, internet-subscribing douchebags can look forward to ragging on another great season.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Lena + Summer + Terminators = Season 2

    by Space Disc Jockey

    I like the show and can't believe there are people here bitching and complaining that Lena and Summer are on this show!! Lena and Summer are so fucking hot. I'd watch the show just for them. Anyway, I like the show and hope Fox will renew it for another season. It has potential and I think the episodes have gotten much better.In no way does the show come close to Terminator and Terminator 2, but damnit, it's more interesting than Terminator 3 (even though Terminator 3 had a hot as hell female Terminator and some great action scenes). Please support tonight's ep, so we can see Lena and Summer for another season.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    And now we'll never know how they get back

    by br1947

    I feel the need to yell "DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!" for some odd reason. I know he's not connected to it, but it makes me feel better since they probably won't renew this.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Ashok0, finale very good

    by br1947

    although it was more of a mid-season cliff-hanger than a season finale. They hit their stride, I just hope it wasn't too late.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Are you guys kidding me?

    by kesoze4

    Have any of you ever watched anything not on Fox? Anything EVER made by HBO? Have you ever watched anything made by Joss Whedon? Have you even tuned into the Today Show during Al Roker time for Chrissakes?! This is one of the worst shows I've ever made myself watch, with one of the weakest season finales I've seen since 90210 was on. Your average episode of Journeyman had ten times the emotion of that birthday scene, not to mention Frequency and every other damn time travel movie where someone encounters their dad as a kid. Holy crap, guys, watch some better TV. All I wanted in the finale was a T-1000 and they screwed me.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    last 15 minutes of the show

    by nora inu

    i've watched the whole season and like many of you, i feel that they've been pretty hit and miss with probably a lot more in the miss column if i'm being honest with myself. for the first several episodes it felt like they were just throwing out a bunch of situations and characters just to see what sticks. and the whole conceit of the show... let's stop skynet AGAIN....good god already, judgment day is inevitable for god's sake.... but they kinda started to put something good together that last 3 or 4 weeks. but the season's holy shit moment... last 15 minutes the fbi attack/johnny cash scene. is it just me or was that one of the best single scenes on television in a long fucking time...wow, where was that the last 8 weeks!!! the pool, the song... the blood, ok so we've had semi lame underscoring for most of the show then they go to source music and it gets bad fucking ass....bravo, they've definetly got me back for a second season if it happens. and yes, the birthday scene was pretty sweet too.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    People watched Journeyman?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Amazing.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Nice Finale SPOILERZZZZZZ

    by Alientoast

    1) I think Agent Ellison is a prime player in the creation of Skynet. There's no other explanation why Cromite or w/e didn't shoot him after he destroyed that FBI taskforce. 2) John never told anyone Kyle was his dad. Little kid Kyle is in the same town. Bad mojo? If people found out, he could be a target. 3) I think EMT guy's wife is a Terminator even more now. She has to be. 4) My most wacked out theory: Cameron is the Avatar of Skynet more or less...but a version that wants to become human, to have a soul. This would help explain why she seems to have her own agenda. We already know there is a connection between Cameron and that future war episode, where Derek goes into the basement and that music is playing that is identical to the music Cameron is dancing to a couple episodes back. I have a feeling we will see a link between these two later on.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    They better not cancel

    by Dashl

    Really great episodes tonight. I just wish I had faith in FOX. They come up with really great shows (Firefly for example) then cancel it without a second thought. I just hope that this comes back, since unlike other shows FOX has on then cancels, it made it past two episodes.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    was it me

    by livahd

    or did the last 15 minutes feel like a Rescue Me finale, complete with Johnny Gavin and a good song?

  • March 3, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Pat on the back to whoever directed the last hour...

    by torpor_haze

    There were some kick ass scenes tonight. Few that stick out. Cameron's "You looking at me?" at the museum, Derek executing a guy in front of a little girl,park scene, and the reverse opening scene of Jaws.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Man, you Firefly fans are STILL bitter?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Get over it.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    This what your father gets for messing with super science

    by super monkey dick

    Dr. Rusty Venture blew up Cameron. Hope Brock shows up next season

  • March 3, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Great finale...

    by BLIND ALBINO PENGUINS

    I loved the use of The Man Comes Around. That scene, along with cameron's dance scene last week, were probably the two best moments of the season.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    If you like the show

    by Dataset

    Then send Fox some love and drop them an Email. I can't believe I actually said "Send Fox some love". I have to turn in my Liberal card now.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    "best show on tv"?!?! are you having a laugh?

    by Charlie Murphy

    is he having a laugh? it's decent entertainment and the finale was pretty good, but if anyone ever ever says that after nine episodes that this is the best show on tv, they'd better give their head a shake.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    lie back and think of Cameron...

    by GooberNGrape

    i'd hate for this to turn into the "Rescue John Because He's Acting Out Again" Show, but so far, this series is engaging me more than Lost (which i continually feel c--kteased by, but watch anyway). the Terminator stories are starting to unfold nicely. Summer Glau is way better than i expected. i lurv that she is a robot. cyborg, whatever. she's a fairly sleek design. Chronicles gets bonus points for bloody goo-blood squish-foley gross-out factor. bloody hulky robot kill now! Renew it, Fox!

  • March 3, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Bring on Season #2

    by J Migidy

    When I first heard the concept for the show I was a skeptic. I figured it was a bad idea but a combination of nothing good on TV and my fondness of the original Terminator and T2 movies made me check it out. Every Episode of this gamble of a show had me excited for the next one. I needed to know what happened next. The 2 hour season ending episode was no different. This show works for many reasons. The time line is no longer a set limitation due to the events in Terminator 2 and they have been able to pull off some really fun things. John's future freedom fighter father dies before John is born in the original movie. John being able to see his father for the first time as a little boy playing baseball in a park years before the bombs drop was a mind fuck and a half and I loved it. Watching John grow up dealing with the knowledge of what he might have to become in order for humanity to have hope all while living with family members from different time periods is great as well. But lets face it. The single coolest part of this show is Cameron. The super advanced Terminator chick sent back to protect John. She's super cute and super bad ass! Seeing her interact with John is great. She is learning how to be more human and you sense John's attachment to the machine grow in every episode. Never was this more evident than in the last episode when John has to cut her open and take her chip out to complete an important task. Right before he brings her back online you got a real sense of where this could go. I think that John's machine hating uncle from the future might even warm up to her. If she survives the car bomb which left us hanging in the end that is. She is a key part of this show and I hope they bring it and her back so the story can continue and our questions can be answered!!!! I hope someone at FOX reads these things!!!!

  • March 3, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    fox 5 did a thin with BAG

    by livahd

    and mentioned a second season.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    fox 5 did a thing with BAG

    by livahd

    and mentioned a second season.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Car Bomb

    by Alientoast

    She wouldn't be killed by the bomb, but I'm sure she won't be able to go out in public for awhile ;)

  • March 3, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    TOTAL COPOUT

    by nrn

    They didn't show the one interesting scene from the whole finale. The scene where Matthew/Terminator wtf PWNTD the fbi... The intro to the second ep made me believe it would be awesome.... I was stoned outta my gourd and BORED TO DEATH. Jesus they are dragging this "turk" thing out to all getout... who knows if it gets renewed personally a big meh from me.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    BTW WHY MATTHEW/TERMINATOR LEFT ELLISON ALONE:

    by nrn

    He didn't matter. He was insignificant. He is not the mission, and clearly he posed not threat. Plain and simple.

  • March 3, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    I AM Numbnuts

    by kesoze4

    I already said I kept watching it hoping a T-1000 would show up. Which it didn't to my disappointment. Even Robert Patrick would have ruled, but no. "you realize that Joss Whedon's best show was on Fox? you might have heared of it, Firefly?" And they cancelled it. This show has huge potential, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and help rattle off the top of my head just a few shows out in the past few years that are infinitely more clever and engaging than this pile of terribly paced, terribly acted, unoriginal, mindless DRECK: The Wire (HBO), Six Feet Under (HBO), Lost (ABC), Battlestar Galactica (Sci-Fi), Firefly (Fox), South Park (Comedy Central), The Sopranos (HBO), The Shield (F/X), Rome (HBO), Buffy The Vampire Slayer (various), Weeds (Showtime), Journeyman (NBC), Rescue Me (F/X), The Office (NBC), Entourage (HBO), Arrested Development (Fox), Family Guy (Fox), How I Met Your Mother (CBS), Veronica Mars (WB), The Simpsons (Fox), Life (NBC), Californication (Showtime), Flight of the Conchords (HBO). Just because you all have the creative curiosity of wheat germ doesn't make the waste of huge potential that was this show any easier to deal with.

  • March 3, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Happy Birthday John

    by J Migidy

    I just wanted to agree with everyone who liked the Birthday scene in the season finale. It was some damn good writing indeed. John's future uncle taking John to a park to show him a younger version of himself playing with his younger brother (John's dad who he never saw since he died before he was born) was great. This show is good and makes me wish that T3 was never made.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by skywalkerfamily

    Christ, all you talk about is "Women with big boobs" and "DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY". Go back to your basement.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    First ever post: Love this show...

    by Zedul

    Very few shows on TV I have loved this much: B5, Lost, Firefly and BSG - this show for me was right up there. It actually prompted me to post for the first time in the 10 years I have been hanging around this site. I actually wrote Herc about this show - I like every character especially Cameron (Summer Glau!) As much as I liked Pushing Daisies and Life... I would trade their souls for this show next season in a Heartbeat.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Herc, don't do it

    by kesoze4

    Unless I'm mistaken, you have yet to begin watching this show. Man you don't know me from adam, but I know you've got taste... the shows you review have led me to discover some of my favorite TV moments ever. Above I listed just a few of them. But listen to me now when I tell you: you're going to watch those recorded episodes of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, and among two or three glimmers of potential you are going to be hugely bored and vastly disappointed. Go ahead, watch away, but prepare yourself for something that makes the worst season of 24 look like Lay Down Your Burders, Pt. 2. And I hate 24 too. Jack hanging from a rope flying away from the derrick my ass. Summer Glau, find yourself a worthy show. Please.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Terminator and Lost are two of the highest download

    by skywalkerfamily

    ed shows on itunes, also.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Great show

    by aversiontherapy2

    The script bothers me sometimes, John does too many obviously dumb things and Sarah needs to be more ruthless, but it's a solid well made show with plenty of action. Cameron is wonderfully ruthless, leaving those two Russians to die was spot on.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Crossover with 24 would be awesome.

    by skywalkerfamily

    Jack Bauer crossed paths with Sarah and John.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    good show but finale was a letdown

    by Mazzle

    I've really enjoyed the show, but that finale was a real let down.<br> - Having a buildup for a big fight but just showing a bunch of guys falling into the water was anticlimactic. I know they don't have a huge movie budget, but that felt too obvious and compromising.<br> <br> - Was that end supposed to be a cliffhanger? If so, that was retarded. The show has made a big deal about how they need special chemicals to get super hot temperatures to destroy the terminators. A bomb is clearly not going to kill her. A bomb set by someone who has shown no evidence that she's even a terminator is even less threatening.<br> <br> That said, I hope the show gets renewed. Except for the flash forward to the future stuff and the finale, I think the show has been paced well and quite suspenseful.<br> <br> btw, I think he didn't kill Ellison because he knew that Ellison mission in life has been to find Sarah. That was the clear message with the scene in which he found out that Eliison checked out the Sarah Connor files. He knows that Ellison can be an asset in terms his own primary mission to find Sarah and John. Of course, he wouldn't kill him.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    nora inu

    by aversiontherapy2

    I agree, that scene with Cash playing was inspired.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Eh

    by GregoryHarbin

    I'll keep watching if it's still on next season, but this is no 'Galactica.' Heck, it's not even keeping me as interested as 'Drive.'<p> Like I say, though, I'll keep watching if renewed. And I'll be disappointed if not.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Ending was like the Coen Brothers.

    by Christopher3

    I hope Glaubot gets her tasty flesh back.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    because...

    by Mazzle

    I found the future stuff really shallow. They don't have a big budget, and it really shows in those scenes. They all looked very fake, like something you'd find on an episode of Andromeda or Xena. The characters were one-dimensional and had absolutely no depth. Finally, all of the interesting aspects of the story they were dealing with (stealing the first terminator, reprogramming it, figuring out the time travel stuff) all took place off-screen. They even had a bunch of buildup like they were going to show future John Conner, but all they did was show some cheesy, in the shadows, fleeting shot of the back of his head. It was underwhelming to say the least.<br> <br> I did like the finale, but I was expecting a lot more. I didn't find it anywhere as near as exciting as other episodes, though it did have its moments. That said, I really do hope the show comes back. I've really enjoyed it overall.

  • March 3, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    No Terminator for Old Men.

    by skywalkerfamily

    There WILL BE TERMINATORS!!!

  • March 3, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST

    This show is great! I love the music too!

    by abovo

    I hope that they keep Cameron. She is awesome!

  • March 3, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    That was a good finale

    by Turd Furgeson

    I hope they bring this show back. Good final 2 episodes.. Summer Glau better get rebuilt, better this time...

  • March 4, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Hey assholes, you know what you get when you blow up a Terminato

    by Ambush_Bug

    A battle damaged terminator - that's all. I mean, what the fuck was so shocking about blowing her up in a car? Honestly. That's like blowing a fart in her face.

  • March 4, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    WHAT HAPPENED at the end? I don't get it...

    by Russman

    who was that guy walking down the street? I guess I missed something from a previous episode.

  • March 4, 2008, 12:16 a.m. CST

    I got choked up at the park scene

    by Han Cholo

    That was a damn brilliant scene, just seeing the look on John's face was awesome. I agree the show started off real bad but it got way better real fast. Not the best show on TV but one of the best. If the writing gets better, it could be a top contender.

  • March 4, 2008, 12:16 a.m. CST

    That Cromartie terminator guy is from DEADWOOD!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Skynet wants DEADWOOD SEASON 4 and its send back robots to make that happen. AI's need to watch TV to. That was a good episode, it will get renewed or the network will be deluged with...I don't know, what would be the best thing to send the network? Motor Oil? that's expensive. RAMAN NOODLES! Cause they're cheap and take a lot of space and they eat them in the future because the resistance finds a giant stockpile in the nuked studio.

  • March 4, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Jericho fans sent Peanuts, Terminator should send RAMAN NOODLES!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    See my above post on why RAMAN is perfect.

  • March 4, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Russman

    by xsi kal

    That guy walking down the street was the person John had just brought up in a photo from the hard drive as being the real Sarkozy (sp)... the Armenian dude with the Turk. <p> Really enjoyed the finale.

  • March 4, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Supposedly the enxt three episodes were going to be amazing...

    by Rindain

    According to Wondercon cast interviews. Summer Glau said episode 9 was really just a tease of what was to come. I'm hoping FOX at the very least makes these next 3 episodes right away and aires them in May.

  • March 4, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    This is a pretty good show...

    by grendel824

    I started with low expectations, but the show kept getting better and better. I can understand some people not liking it, but I'm sick of the really idiotic "criticisms," like continuity being violated (the head through the portal) when it so clearly isn't. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence could figure it out, so consider the source when somebody disses the show. It's no Lost or anything, but at the rate it's improving I can no longer rule out the possibility...

  • March 4, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST

    loved the park scene also

    by sarsy

    But we all know we watch the show for Lena and Summer

  • March 4, 2008, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Aaaargh..

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Must wait for finale to show up on fox.com. what does that take.. like a day?

  • March 4, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Second episode was great

    by skywalkerfamily

    Ending was really cool! Holy crap! I know Cameron isn't gone, but wow, that was great.

  • March 4, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Also first episode was very Matrixy

    by skywalkerfamily

    especially shutting down the power to the city.

  • March 4, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Thank you, Summer

    by Hikaru Ichijo

    Tight! I'm guessing this unearthly beauty does not make the return next season. Don't'cha always fall for the weirdo chicks in the real world? Not if you're habitual on the internet, I suppose. Holy shit! As soon as I start thinking "Real World" T2 and beyond sucks ass! WTF is with those angular Needle Nose, anyhow? Come on production personal! I mean, if you're a Time Traveler on the run, and you can do the job cheap, why drop thirty bucks on some specialty pliers instead of feeding your long lost uncle the cheap steak that will slow him down enough to save yer mum a piece of ass? Bring back the Glaubot with a nasty comb-over or something, and figure out how to go from there. Please and thank you! Then promise to make the time travel thing dumb enough to allow the haters to wrap their heads around it already! For Real! What are you looking for? It's fucking time travel! At least they have the decency to populate the novella with foxy ladies! As if that weren't enough,

  • March 4, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Hope it gets renewed!

    by Acerbic Norseman

    Good show. Didn't like the first episode that much but I gave it a chance and it really grew on me. The finale had two great scenes. The park scene and the SWAT scene with the Johnny Cash song playing as the SWAT guys landed one after another in the pool. Better than 99 percent of the crap that is on TV right now! Renew it!!

  • March 4, 2008, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Next season the Agent will help Sarah!

    by skywalkerfamily

    Should be great. He probably becomes one of John's future Resistance members.

  • March 4, 2008, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Prom Episode

    by psychedelic

    Summer and that guy go to the prom and there's a big ass shootout. Then Summer takes that guy's virginity. Who thinks Summer and John Conner should do it? Why couldn't this be on cable so we could see Summer naked? She looked pretty damn hot in the pilot when you see her naked from behind before she kicked those guys asses. Summer, will you marry me? ;)

  • March 4, 2008, 1:42 a.m. CST

    psychedelic

    by sarsy

    Why the fuck would you want Summer and John Conner to do it when we can have Summer and Lena Heady doing it?

  • March 4, 2008, 1:42 a.m. CST

    9021-oh-oh-oh-oh

    by GooberNGrape

    plus, seeing Brian Austin Green all buff is a bit aiight.

  • March 4, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Tight episode

    by NinjaChampion

    great show, season 2 needs to happen. And will buy the DVD if they have some cool special features.

  • March 4, 2008, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Sarsy

    by psychedelic

    It's good to know other people are on my perverse wavelength. How about Kristanna Loken (Terminatrix from T3) and Summer? Supposedly Loken is gay in real life and had an affair with Michelle Rodriguez. So Summer, Loken, and Rodriquez in a three-way; Hell, let's throw Rosario Dawson in there too.

  • March 4, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Sassy!

    by skywalkerfamily

    That Cameron is so SASSY!

  • March 4, 2008, 3:19 a.m. CST

    I vote for more.

    by jimbojones123

    It got MUCH better after the 4th hour. David Silver was a great add.

  • March 4, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    nrn

    by jimbojones123

    None of the other agents were necessary to kill. Ellison does hold deeper meaning in the whole thing.

  • March 4, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST

    No more sending crap to the studios.

    by jimbojones123

    If you want a show to continue, pony up the 12 million it costs to put together an episode. It's gone beyond cliche already.

  • March 4, 2008, 4:12 a.m. CST

    If we put in money

    by johnnyg korrupt

    if we put in money...we should be entitled to money back if it makes a profit

  • March 4, 2008, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Very good show. Potential to be mindblowing.

    by Calico Pete

    It's been getting better and better. The producers aren't afraid of expanding its scope and depth. Watching it, I actually believe anything can happen on it. The show seems willing to upend the status quo, the timestream, and viewer preconceptions with every other episode, which is refreshingly unlike Heroes and Smallville.<br><br> As for those of you complaining you didn't see the gunfight at the end, how many frickin one-sided gunfights do you need to see? Seeing the bodies drop into the pool was much more poetic.

  • March 4, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    The reason the finale was anticlimactic

    by mascan42

    was because it wasn't supposed to be the finale. The strike hit before they finished the last 2 episodes.

  • March 4, 2008, 5:14 a.m. CST

    C'mon Fox. Give it a Season 2

    by JacksParasites

    I had zero expectations for this show but it's won me over. I'd definitely watch season 2. Love how they play with the mythology with Derrek Reese, etc. Also, I love that it has some of seriously dark imagery. You've got a headless terminator who's reclaimed his head and grown a new face, John being prevented from stopping a teen from jumping off the roof of her school, Cameron abandoning desperate people while they're murdered by the mob. Good stuff.

  • March 4, 2008, 6:05 a.m. CST

    bomb was obviously meant for sarah?

    by cyrent

    not to try to kill the terminator. right?

  • March 4, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Kyle XY is much better.

    by Executor

    A fantastic sci-fi show with heart.

  • March 4, 2008, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Yes Everything that UMAGA said.

    by MRJONZ72

    No reason for me to repeat what he/she said since they were dead on.

  • March 4, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Everytime I see Dexter posted

    by Dazzler69

    I think of Dexter's laboratory. Now that was a good toon. Not sure I want to check out a show about a killer of killers that kill or be killed or whatever.

  • March 4, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Uh, The Johnny Cash song was only effective..

    by Stalkeye

    during the opening scene of Snyder's DOTD remake and not some shootout in which the Feds take a dirt..wetnap. Neddless to say, Cameron will "survive" the explosion.So the finale was'nt as shocking as it was hyped to be.<p>Still a better series than BW and Leda is fire!!

  • March 4, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Hey Dazzler what's weird is the reverse of

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Dexter's Laboratory is Johnny Test. My kids watch it every Saturday. Johnny's twin sisters are basically Dexter, and Johnny is basically Dexter's sister. I'm surprise no one got sued on that one.

  • March 4, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    BAG has one me over though.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    I will no longer think of him as 90210 preppie scum.

  • March 4, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST

    won, won, won

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    What am I, five years old and can't use proper English?

  • March 4, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Is Sarah Connor...

    by BilboRing

    The queen in 300? I think so, right? What a hottie!!! Also, renew the series. It's very good. Flawed but overall very good. I really feel bad for John Connor. That was a good scene with him seeing his dad and uncle when they were innocent kids.

  • March 4, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    kyle xy

    by Morrollan

    kyle xy is a great show........... my 8 year old little girl loves it. The show we are talking about has turned out to be pretty damned good amidst all the other crap on tv.

  • March 4, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Why are people hating this show so much

    by CrichtonAstronut

    I could get just not liking it but there seems to be a lot of anger here, and at it's worst it was still pretty decent and it's a hell of a lot better than it was in the premier. My major problems were Glau was too human in the prermier and the guy playing playing Cromartie in the prenier wasn't creepy enough. And boy did they fix those, Dillahunt awesome. Glau's Camerlon's cool as hell now and, they've expanded the cast and world to more than just Sarah,John and Cameron. I think it's been fgreat and really hope for another season.

  • March 4, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    And yes she is the Queen from 300.

    by CrichtonAstronut

  • March 4, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Mullah Omar

    by chutneylix

    Yeah they don't have 'tough guys' in Hollywood anymore because they're all mostly dead. Your idea of a tough guy is antiquated. And how did we all forget that Michael Biehn had one of the girliest voices ever, he was a male model with a sad stubble in T1. But was great in the role. In fact BAG quite nicely fits as his brother.

  • March 4, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    It's a Great Show

    by kevinwillis.net

    Outside of the Simpson's, where the quality is plenty spotty, it's the only one I make sure I watch. I'm sorry the season is over. It's a little convoluted--I watch it with my ten year old daughter, and I have to explain a lot about what's going on. But I loved it when BAG was soothing the little girl and then, bam, shot the bad guy in the head. That was so fockin' sweet. Derrek Reese is a great addition. There are lots of little problems and holes, but that's not unusual for a first season, and I've liked each episode better than the previous.<br><br>I think the Cameron-bot is an experiment, a pet project of John's . . . maybe even one he built. It's entirely possibly in the constantly shifting timeline that John Connor has control of a lot more than a band of rebels--he obviously controls a time machine, and was able to have one built in a bank pre-1963, so it's entirely possible future-John controls a whole terminator factory. Additional weapons. Etc. And that Summer Glau is part of an on-going effort of John's to get sentient machine's "right", so we can have a robot-filled future, only they aren't all trying to kill us.<br><br>I would like to see the lack of liquid metal Terminators addressed--for example, they are easily destroyed by napalm or something like that, which is a recipes freedom fighters going back into the past know, so they are fairly simple to take out even in the past if you have "the key"--and it makes sense to numerous advantages of the T-1000s would come with some serious drawbacks, if the weaknesses were known and exploited.<br><br>I love it, and can't wait until next season, BAG and all.

  • March 4, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    The show didn't become anything special, until...

    by MrGreenStache

    ... the last episode. I've watched it all since the beginning. I didn't hate it, but it also wasn't a good show. I just had the feeling that the potential was there. Some of that potential was reached last night. Spoiler alert When Derrek took John out for his birthday to see him and his dad playing baseball. Whoa. Way more powerful than I thought this show could get. Also, the Johnny Cash music with all those police getting thrown in the pool was really neat and different than I thought the show would be capable of. /Spoiler alert Anyone think that this show won't get better next season?

  • March 4, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    SARAH CONNOR IS A CYLON!

    by uss cygnus

    Man, that's BRILLIANT writing! ANYONE can be a Cylon, with no supporting evidence from previous plotlines! GENIUS!

  • March 4, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Damned Writer's Strike!

    by SoWasRed2012

    When I first heard this show was being produced I'd hoped it was a joke - now I'm more than a little annoyed that there's only nine episodes! Don't get me wrong, I supported the writers but still... I'm allowed to mourn the casualties of war. The birthday scene with Derek and the scene when Derek shoots the guy in the head were both absolutely amazing - it feels good to know that there are guys out there, who aren't Jim Cameron, who can produce entertainment like this that doesn't shit all over what's gone before (hello, T3). Two things though: 1 - the Johnny Cash song, maybe it's just me, but it felt totally out of place for such a serious moment (I know it's a serious song, but it didn't fit) and 2 - The Sarah Connor Chronicles doesn't really seem to fit as a title anymore now that Derek is in the picture and John seems to be stepping up to the plate more and more all the time.

  • March 4, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    Needed more closure

    by Sithdan

    Nothing was resolved in this season finale...I needed some better sense of closure than a car bomb.

  • March 4, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Thought I was watching Homocide for a moment...

    by Mistahtibbs

    Seriously, <p>That whole Johnny Cash song during the FBI raid was VERY Homocide: Life on the Street. I thought it was an interesting way to do that whole scene but I have to admit that it pulled me out of the show a bit.</p> <p>I have to agree with what others have said. I gave the show a shot and it has been, not spectacular, but pretty good and the finale was a good payoff.</p> <p>Here's hoping that the quality is allowed to continue to improve.</p> <p>MT</p>

  • March 4, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Does it not bother anyone that...

    by turketron

    These T-888's apparently have working sexual equipment? WTF? This lady's husband is a terminator! That's crazy... wouldn't the bastard be bed-breakingly heavy? Not to mention pelvis crunchingly heavy? Something about this just doesn't sit right... <p> I wouldn't turn away a robot that looked like Summer Glau tho, sorry human race!

  • Honestly, it's wretched.

  • March 4, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Fanboy Tendencies

    by WWBD

    finishing my subject line above.

  • March 4, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Horrible show...

    by vittala23

    Just awful... the main character's are just whine all episode long or if they aren't whining they brood... whats worse is the whole episode will totally suck and then for like 2-3 minutes which is usually the action scene for the episode will be well done. Like last nights where the whole episode was pretty bad up until the 2 minutes of the FBI raiding the apartment with the Johnny Cash song and the pool shot which I thought was great but not great enough to merit sitting through 2 hours of crap.

  • March 4, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    When the man comes around!

    by Das UberMan!

    Nora Inu got it right. There are problems with the show. It had a very hard time finding its footing, but the last 15 minutes of the show was beyond beautiful. "When the Man Comes Around" was ab-so-lute-ly perfect. Having been raised in the whole apocalypse-is-a-comin' world (just a few miles from Mr. Cash's birthplace), I was stunned. I can't describe for you the fanboy buttons that scene pushed: Terminator, crazy-ass religion, and the Man In Black all in one. As the agents fell in the water, I forgot all my qualms with the show and was almost ready to praise Jee-zus one mo' time.

  • March 4, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    One Thing This Show Has Driven Home To Me...

    by Autodidact

    Since I don't have TIVO or any kind of PVR, I should really wait until shows come out on DVD to see them. For various reasons, I missed large chunks of every episode. This is a series I would have gotten way more out of by watching it without commercial interruptions, at the time of my choosing, with a perfect picture and digital sound.

  • March 4, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY

    by DamnMichaelBay

    YAB LEAHCIM UOY NMAD

  • March 4, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Also, not a bad show.

    by DamnMichaelBay

    Quite good actually.

  • March 4, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Viva La Michael Bey

    by skywalkerfamily

    El Dorado.

  • March 4, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Great Fucking Show..PERIOD

    by RockyG

    Great episodes. This show really captures the feel of T1 and T2 for me, even with no Arnold. Great way to carry on the story to me.

  • March 4, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    The earlier episodes were better

    by skywalkerfamily

    These last two felt like opening episodes for some reason.

  • March 4, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    awesome

    by slkboxrman

    excellent season finale !! although i wonder how cameron would fare in a car bomb...i could imagine her walking away kinda singed, but if her human skin i totally fried it wouldnt be good....i actually have an idea for that...if cameron is one of johns pet projects, maybe cameron has a liquid metal skin backup incase of her real skin being totally destroyed. that would be cool. the show was great....too bad it was soo short this season....cant wait to hear that they picked this up for next season....new amsterdam starts tonite for anyone interested

  • March 4, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Cash's WHEN THE MAN COMES AROUND was better

    by future help

    used in the beggining of Snyder's DAWN of the DEAD. what's with the piddly car explosion end?

  • March 4, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    show sucks and i wish Terminator movies were all

    by future help

    that existed.

  • March 4, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Please Fox, may we have some more?

    by Devil'sOwn

    When I first heard this was going to be made into a show, I said, "Yeah, whatever." I honestly could not see how it was going to work as a tv series. After watching the whole season, I can say, for me, they made it work. This show rocks! Is it going to appeal to "fanboys"? Sure. But what's wrong with that? I don't dig BSG, or many other cult shows like it. This fills that purpose for me. Lena Heady has fit into the role of Sarah Connor quite nicely, Thomas Dekker is a real find, and Summer Glau is absolutely scrumptious. I even came to like the characters of Ellison and Charlie. And any show that makes Brian Austin Green involving has some serious mojo going for it. This series has much potential, and it would be great to see where it leads.

  • March 4, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Minor scratches?

    by DarthFloyd

    An entire SWAT team with semi-auto weapons burst into a one bedroom apt, and besides bodies falling into a pool, Cromartie comes walking out with minor scratches? Even Arnie's T2 version took more damage when he was just walking up to a SWAT team - and was intentionally trying not to kill anyone! Had Cromartie come walking out after SWAT had fallen back with half the skin on his face missing, I could believe that, but minor nicks?

  • March 4, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Why didn't they just bomb the room?

    by skywalkerfamily

    Set up some bombs around the room or throw a gernade into the room?

  • March 4, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    seriously, why no bombs?

    by turketron

  • March 4, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    regarding the T-1000

    by Bouncy X

    they mention in T2 that he was simply a prototype, so it makes sense that we've never seen others before or after. i guess you could count T3 since she had some liquid metal but this show pretty much ignores that movie so.

  • March 4, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    RE: Minor scratches?

    by digitalcos

    Really? I'd argue Arnie didn't look much worse.<p>Besides, if Arnie was trying NOT to kill anyone I'd expect him to be in worse shape than if he was out to kill. When are you going to come out better, if you stand there and get shot at, or kill the shooters. Your argument makes no sense.

  • March 4, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST

    RE: Bombing the room

    by digitalcos

    I doubt he convinced the agency that they were actually dealing with rob'ts from the future. My assumtion is they believed they were dealing with a human. In which case there are procedures, of which I doubt "bomb the room" would be one.

  • March 4, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Mixed bag...

    by Zardoz

    Really cool moment: John Connor, on his birthday, watching his dad play baseball as a 5 year old boy. Very cool. Most anti-climactic moment (tie): the showdown with Cromartie and the cops. (we didn't see anything!) And finally, the "cliffhanger" ending: Cameron in an exploding car. Wow. How dull. Like a Terminator is going to be killed by that weak ass explosion? Yawn. Now, if it was JC or SC in the car? THAT'S a cliffhanger. The show wasn't perfect by any means, but it had it's moments. Needs more action and more, well, just MORE!

  • March 4, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Worth Watching

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>It's not a great show, but it is watchable. There's a lot of stupidity in it, but the eye-candy that is Summer takes the edge off of that. So far, it's the level of quality I expected after watching the pilot. It has the potential to be much better however. This strike has fucked this season so completely that it's hard to come to any conclusions.</p> <p>Also, what's up with the butterface comments? Her body is a freakin' stick. Her face is the only thing she's really got going (her body only in as much as she's not fat). Unless it's a gay thing and you're into the whole "little boy" look. I can stare at her face for days straight and not get bored.</p>

  • March 4, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    How about that chick that came from out

    by skywalkerfamily

    of nowhere, and then dissapeared. That confused me.

  • March 4, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Hello, just looking

    by Napoleon Park

    around for the "New Amsterdam" article and talkback. Fox's new fantasy series about a 300 year old immortal turned NYC cop doomed to live until he finds true love debuts in about four hours, no mention of it here. I thought AICN was into these geeky fantasy shows. Aren't there supposed to be some Buffy fans working here or something? Doomed crapshoots like Moonlight and Journeyman got talkbacks, the fairy tale series Pushing Daisies got a weekly love-fest, but New Amsterdam gets ignored like it was Reaper? Are we that worried that if someone tunes in a minute too early they'll catch sight of "Idol" and their eyes will catch fire?

  • March 4, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

    by Ray Gamma

    I just saw the trailer for this series for the first time here in the UK. "Sarah Connor" faces into the camera telling us about how in the future her son saves mankind blah blah, and her delivery is more like "My hair used to be frizzy all the time until I discovered L'Oreal T-1000". </P> <P> Pure fucking rubbish.

  • March 4, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    napoleon park

    by slkboxrman

    i mentioned "new amsterdam" earlier since there is no talkback....i see u noticed it too.... anyone that watches american idol must be on fire already to actually tolerate something like that...but then again people that waych idol also watch celebrity rehab and feel sorry for those losers....ya know what should have a talkback and dont ? breaking bad, its an amazing show and kinda gets ignored too

  • March 4, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    ray gamma

    by slkboxrman

    the UK is pure fucking rubbish too, the only thing good about it is the concentration of sex and nudity on regular TV there.....other than that ur whole country sucks.

  • March 4, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Ummm this has nothing to do with Terminator

    by skimn

    but since it is coax, I thought I'd drop a little love on an overlooked show. There's a lot of love for It's Always Sunny In Philly, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Office, et all...all favorites. I thought I would mention a little show that has greatly improved in its second season, at least to me. It's "10 Items Or Less" on TBS. The second season finale is tonight and I think its become one of the funnier shows currently on the air.

  • March 4, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Season #1 Available on XBOX Live

    by J Migidy

    I've noticed that not everyone has been able to see all the episodes or has only seen parts of episodes. Some of these same people have mixed opinions on the show because they have not seen everything and need to fill in the blanks. For those who are interested in the show and didn't get a chance to TIVO it, the entire season is available for download on the XBOX Live Marketplace. FOX please give us a second season! The show is just starting to hit it's stride!

  • March 4, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    talkback length =quality show

    by jabberwockey

  • March 4, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    talkback length =quality show

    by jabberwockey

    Seriously i've been a lil sceptical about the success of this show but judging by the geeky passion being invoked here theres alot of people that would be saddened by the cancellation. MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD!!

  • March 4, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Little Kyle Reese

    by Anakin Whoopass

    Well we see the timeline has changed because in 1984 Kyle Reese said he never saw the war but grew up after. Now Judgment Day is in 2011 when Kyle is 8. That's a pretty big change to who he is, I think. It's critical that Skynet never learns Kyle's identity or Terminator 1 never happens. I also find it interesting that Kyle was born during the years Sarah and John skipped over in time which avoided the scenario of the son living at the same time the father is conceived, if the universe would object to that somehow.

  • March 4, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Screw Xbox live, rather Bitorent the season

    by Stalkeye

    then shell out money for Microsoft points but in the case of SCC, I can only watch once. Unless there are additional scenes or unrated material like, Blade The series DVDs.<p>Xbox live is mosly good for multiplayer and uploading my scores like Devil May Cry 4.And that's it.

  • March 4, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Kicked ass in the ratings last night...

    by jojo-pimp

    and ALL this season...check out variety.com. i think its safe to say we will see season 2 folks.

  • March 4, 2008, 7:16 p.m. CST

    BAG's future ep was Awesome! HK's FTW!!

    by Billyeveryteen

    Also, John seeing Kyle as a boy was a real treat.<p>I eagerly look forward to next season.

  • March 4, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Will this get renewed?

    by darthsynn

    I certainly hope so. In a TV landscape saturated with reality garbage, it's nice to see a series that shows some imagination.

  • March 4, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    The best thing about this show...

    by Johnny Rocket

    ...are Sarah's wrap-up monologues at the end of each episode. They've been able to pull in a lot of T1 & 2 canon there, and it fits nicely.

  • March 4, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    John is showing a few flashes of decisive leadership.

    by kabong

    BAG is not bad, but I don't think his character should exist. It's too much a part of TV's tendency to make everything small. Everybody is too tightly related. Kyle Reese should have been just one soldier in TechCom. Everybody doesn't have to be everybody's buddy. They're setting this up to seem like John Connor beats Skynet with a few guys in the neighborhood. The war should be global. Skynet should relocate its central node to a high mountain protected by squadrons of HKs instead of camping in Topanga.

  • March 4, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Minor Scratches

    by DarthFloyd

    Honestly, the first few SWAT guys go storming in and then go flying out the way they came in, the next ones go in firing until Cromartie plugs them, the next SWAT members, seeing their cohorts go down, go in spraying even more shots. Mathmatically speaking, there should have been more bullets pelting the T-888 than shown. Once they gave the order to fall back, did they just disappear altogether? I'd be back at the SWAT van looking for some nice grenades or something else strong enough to bring it down. At least seal the area so it doesn't get away!

  • March 4, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by DarthFloyd

    Okay, I'm over-analyzing, but it's either this or suffer through American Idiot...I mean Idol (well, no I don't) with my wife. Should we get a second season, I would think Cromartie would be #1 on the FBI most wanted list, and there would be an investigation to the deaths of the SWAT members.

  • March 4, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Finally...

    by DarthFloyd

    Last comments for the night. Remember the exoskeleton that was incinerated...Cameron was packing away several bags of what appeared to be the stripped blood and tissue from the exoskeleton. If her skeleton is still intact, she should be able to graft whatever flesh and muscle she needs (of course, if she grafts the T-888's wang on as well, they better start playing the theme music to The Crying Game). <p> Oh and kabong, in the novel/script to T2, John is shown listing to a radio getting intelligence from battles from all over the world in different languages. So for now, he's got a little posse he's a part of. After Judgement Day, he'll lead the world.

  • March 4, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Robert Patrick

    by Shan

    I can't remember where I read this but apparently the makers of the show are trying to get him to make an appearance - though probably not as a T-1000 unfortunately.

  • March 5, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Awesome season. My favorite FOX show.

    by ZeroCorpse

    But I do have some questions. <p> Did they sew up Cameron's GAPING HOLE on her head? Was that done off-screen? <p> What's up with the strange Mexican chica who NEVER SAYS A WORD?!?! Is she a Terminator, or just an actor who doesn't speak English? (and why am I so turned on by her?) <p> How did Sarah figure out that Reese killed Andy? <p> And finally, I have to say I LOVED the SWAT scene-- The use of the swimming pool and the song was inspired. It was much more effective than showing us more scenes of the terminator slamming guys against walls and throwing them in the air. (Seriously. Terminators have two fighting moves: Grab collar and slam into wall, and grab body and throw into wall. RInse and repeat.) <p> This show is worthy of the Terminator name. I love what they're doing. Hopefully season two doesn't drop the ball like HEROES did.

  • March 5, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Best 2 scenes of the finale...

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Where Derek Reese used what he thought was the dudes daughter as a bargaining chip and then shot him in the face... and when he took John to the park for his birthday to see his father, at the age of 5. A pretty touching scene and well acted. I just wish the terminator show-down near the end was seen, but regardless it was well-done. Oh yeah, and Cameron is gonna need a plastic surgeon too.

  • March 5, 2008, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Hey haters- Season "finale" wasn't meant to be the finale.

    by ZeroCorpse

    If you don't think this was much of a cliffhanger, you're right. This was episode 9. The final episodes of the season were cancelled due to the WGA strike-- Remember that little event? They cut the season short at this episode, and will incorporate the ending they wanted into the beginning of Season 2. <p> So please, stop with the whole "that wasn't much of a cliffhanger" thing. Yes, we know Cameron will survive. We're watching the show, too. We don't need your Captain Obvious powers to help us this time. <p> And finally, will you dorks PLEASE shut up about wanting to see a T-1000..? Why are you so horny for a T-1000, anyway? having one in the series would make the one in T2 seem less unique. The whole point of the T-1000 was that it was a rare, special model that was deployed out of desperation. It failed. Perhaps there are no other T-1000 models? Perhaps they only have one of those for every 10,000 endoskeleton models. Who knows? Either way, a T-1000 would not enhance the story in any way. It's a cheap special effect that was put into the movie because it was a cool way to show off a new technology. These days, CGI morphing is hardly that impressive. I'm much more impressed by the terminator's quest to steal an identity the hard way.

  • March 5, 2008, 2:01 a.m. CST

    and for all you minor scratches folks...

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Complaining about the damage Cromartie had after facing off with the swat team... please compare with Arnie raiding an entire police station in T1. Just relax and enjoy.

  • March 5, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    I cannot believe Brian Austin Green 90210 is actually good

    by messi

    seriously. He is a great 'protector' kind of ends justify the means guy, and I don't see him as a pansy like I do in everything else. I actually buy him as Kyle Reese's tougher brother. Who would have thought.

  • March 5, 2008, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Ray Gamma - maybe you should watch the show cunt

    by messi

    idiot. you judge a whole show on a trailer? this is an excellent well written show that uses the canon in great ways.

  • March 5, 2008, 2:44 a.m. CST

    I like the ideas they use on this show

    by messi

    that time travel occurs during many periods and aren't all about stopping skynet but things such as sending Derek Reese's team to prepare for the war. I love the way they use the canon in the show.

  • March 5, 2008, 2:49 a.m. CST

    ShogunMaster - Lena Headey isn't hot

    by messi

    what the fuck? You lost your cock or something?

  • March 5, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Sorry but Brian Austin Green is good and believable

    by messi

    Which surprised me. When i learnt the casting i thought "that's it, it's over before it began" and then he is actually good. You actually believe he is one of Connor's best soldiers. And I couldn't believe how subtle he sold the moment of John meeting Kyle which generally ends up cheesy but he played it perfectly. Yeah i'm surprised.

  • March 5, 2008, 3:15 a.m. CST

    All the things that shouldn't work in this series

    by David Cloverfield

    ends up working. The premise, the actors, the timeline changes, the teenage girl terminator, BAG, the Cash song... I hope they give it another second, so it can find it's own voice.

  • March 5, 2008, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Lena Headey isn't hot?!?!?

    by Nesstar

    Her character is totally bad-assed. She's the kind of M.I.L.F. you don't want to run into in a dark alley. But I think that Summer Glau is overrated. Don't get me wrong, she's a beautiful girl, and I absolutely *loved* her acting in Serenity/Firefly. But I'm for Lena (I've always been a MILF chaser).

  • March 5, 2008, 5:29 a.m. CST

    RE: All the things that shouldn't work in this series

    by SantiagoAtez

    I couldn't agree with you more, David Cloverfield. If I was just reading summaries of the episodes, I'd think it was the cheesiest thing on the tube. The pilot I thought was pretty cheesy and bad, but every other episode greatly exceeded my expectations. I REALLY hope this comes back for season 2. My god, they actually got the "teenage girl terminator" thing to work...and work well.

  • March 5, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    IF I were them though

    by David Cloverfield

    I would've abandoned all this "having your cake and eating it too" approach, and say T1 happened in 1991, T2 happened in 2005 and Judgement Day was always coming in 2010. James Cameron himself was pretty flexible with the time line (John sure did grow up fast in T2). That would avoid a lot of confusion and exposition (like jumping forward in time a few years.).

  • March 5, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Nesstar

    by messi

    Yes she is mighty fine. thing is she doesn't seem milfish. in real life she looks young, like early-mid 20's.

  • March 5, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    "But Kyle was born after the war"

    by messi

    they postponed it remember. so now he was born before. seems like it's a maleable timeline like DC comics where certain things lead to a point but little things change.

  • March 5, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Flash forwards and time-lines...

    by biggles2_22

    Here's the thing about the "flash forwards". They mean nothing now! If you've been paying attention, (like I know you are) then you'd know that while Andy was in Derek's post-apocalyptic future, Derek kills him in the present. Therefore, like Sarah says at the end of T2, the future is uncertain. POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT: With the future being uncertain, I've maintained that Cameron's role in Judgement Day may be that of a peace-maker between the machines and humans. Whether robotic or not, as Arnold expositioned in T2, the terminators are designed to evolve with human exposure. Further, if John Connor's relationship with Cameron evolves into a trusting relationship, Judgement Day can be avoided. Remember that Kyle Reese (and I think Derek said this too) said that Judgment Day was triggered by Skynets FEAR of the human race. If that fear can be satiated, there would be no need for Skynet (or any other A.I. to protect itself). Camerons link into the traffic system is the first hint as to how she will be playing a role in the series finale, if it happens.

  • March 5, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    I'm actually impressed that this many people

    by kesoze4

    Seem to really enjoy the show, that's fantastic that you guys have found something you like. It's just such a pity that you don't know how awful this is compared to so much else out there. I've seen every episode, I'm a huge fan of the movies, but either you have the lowest standards of entertainment out there, you haven't tried anything on expanded or premium cable, or you're just very young. Anyway, again, don't mean to hate, glad you can enjoy it, but the worst episode ever made of The Shield had more intelligence and emotion than the best episode of T:TSCC this season.

  • March 5, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    biggles

    by David Cloverfield

    that would be a great way to end it.

  • March 5, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Summer Glau is a robo-babe

    by RogueWarrior65

    This show rules. Summer is certainly one of the chief reasons I watch this. Beautiful and tough. Precisely the type of girl I search for. Given the last scene of the season I seriously hope the producers don't pull a Dr. Who on the actor. BTW, Summer, if you're reading this, can I take you out some time?

  • March 5, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    kesoze4, your happiness is our goal here...

    by biggles2_22

    ...I'm also glad that your enamored with that show starring the guy who played Thing and a really unfunny John Belushi. Such a pity that maybe you don't realize that sometimes, folks just like to have fun with a sci-fi series (even with it's faults) AND watch the other stuff that meets with your approval. Don't mean to be hatin' here but there's nothing worse than a boob-tube snob.

  • March 5, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    TSCC Love

    by JMASCORPIO

    I really can't get enough of this show and hope it returns next season. Anyone bashing Brian Austin Green must not be watching. He's done an excellent job in his role. I think one of this show's strengths is that they have developed a solid central core of characters and stuck with them. Unlike Heroes(which I do enjoy as well) where it seems that there are at least a dozen central characters this show keeps it simple. Sometimes less is more and I definitely think thats the case here. VIVA SARAH CONNOR!

  • March 5, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Summer Glau = best girl's name in history of earth

    by Behemoth

    Except for possibly Brambleton Sphinx.

  • March 5, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    If I hear anyone say "The Turk" one more time...

    by Joelseph01

    *I* will bring on the apocalypse. There's got to be someway they can lighten the mood, inject some actual humor when discussing the utter destruction of the planet so as to pull back from the melodrama. Buffy did this extremely well, despite making the dialogue outright quirky (I love Buffy, but the wit was outright screaming at times). As for the cast, only Lena Headey should speak in a whisper. Dekker needs to cut that shit out, and good God, get a haircut. Why does the leader of the surviving population of the planet look like a Trenchcoat Mafia d-bag. As for the poster who shot down Dillahunt, Garret is the man. Rent The Assassination of Jesse James if you don't believe me. As for Bruce Davison's recent performance (Gotta hate those mutant lovers), Earl Boen is low-grade-pay enough to get him to reprise his role, isn't he? That's something we would've loved. Also, where is the T-1000 model? I know it's a TV show, which means A) they don't have enough money for the effects or B) the model won't be introduced til another season, but there is no reason why they should send a T-800 after a T-1000 failed. You send 2 T-100s.

  • March 5, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    kesoze4: The Shield?

    by ZeroCorpse

    Dude, if I wanted to watch another cop show I'd watch The Wire, but I am sick to death of cop shows. Fuck cop shows, and ESPECIALLY fuck "gritty" cop shows that rip off NYPD Blue. <p> If you don't like Terminator, then go elsewhere. Watch a CSI marathon and wank to the 'realness' of it. I'm having fun with Terminator, and though it's not exactly Shakespeare, it's still better than watching yet another cop, lawyer, or "fat/annoying guy and his hot wife" show.

  • March 5, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    A familiar face in Terminator The SCC finale'

    by pumaman

    Anyone here recognise Craig Fairbrass ( formerly in Uk soap Eastenders ) and also the tough guy in Stallone's Cliffhanger, who got to call Sly a wanker :-) Shame he wasn't cast as a Terminator as he certainly looks the part. The only thing wrong would be the heavy cockney accent . For instance : " Alright guv'na you ain't seen John Connor around have you me old china ? " Either way, give this show a second season dammit !

  • March 5, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Has to get a 2nd Season

    by TheTaf

    Lena Headey is reason enough for TTSCC to get a 2nd season on top of that (unfortunately not literally) you got Summer Glau (did you see her doing ballet...OH MY!!) and if thats not reason enough then you got kick ass scenes from the future, judgement day and the war against the machines in all its glory (dont think glory is the right word but you get my point!!) This has to get a 2nd season!!

  • March 5, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Canon Vs. Cannon

    by Reel American Hero

    This is something that's bugged me for as long as I've been talking in geek friendly forums on the net. Terminator the tv series doesn't violate cannon. As a matter of fact I haven't seen a single cannon since the start of the show. Guns yes, cannons no. Now, Canon, (one n) is another word for continuity or the mythology of a show, comic, movie series, etc. That has been fucked quite a few times on this show and a lot of other things lately *cough*Marvel*cough*. But to this day I've yet to see any cannons get violated on this show. I'm not sure why one would want to violate a cannon, but people sure do seem to talk about it a lot though. To each his own I guess.

  • March 5, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    T3 Continuity

    by BigMick

    This is just my own thought on the subject, but I think what they're doing with the show is kind of like what Bryan Singer did with Superman: Returns, and ignore the godawful mess that was T3. This would explain how the events of everything that's happened in the series could have happened. Because T3 took place in 2004 and in the show they've jumped forward in time to 2007 and presumably by the time Judgment day happens John Connor is only going to be like 20 or 21. <p> I don't know if any of that is true or not but it makes everything in SCC a little easier to grasp. If not I don't really care, it's still a pretty decent show and a good break from studying on Monday nights. Let's face it people, they're just trying to entertain us for an hour, not split the atom.

  • March 5, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    ooopps

    by BigMick

    Ok, what I meant was how Bryan Singer ignored Superman's 3&4 while making Superman: Returns...not how he ignored T3. That just doesn't make sense. I have no idea what I'm even saying anymore.

  • March 5, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    It Was Just OK

    by bobinnova

    As pointed out in these posts the two scenes that made two hours of waiting worth it were the swimming pool and seeing the Reeses as kids - I was really hoping for that as with 2-3 years until the Apocolypse you would think that some of the characters would exist. The swimming pool scene has to rank with the other famous scenes in Terminator movies - only other way to improve on it would have been to show the corpses with various causes of death - gunshot to chest, head missing, neck twisted, etc. I thought the ending was one of the best revenge sequences with Cromartie basically telling Cameron "you fucked me up, now I'm gonna fuck you up - go try to rebuild yourself now". Lots of questions remain - Who was that guy with the fake daughter and how did he have Sarah's file? Why did he go to the Hispanic house first? Where is 'the turk'? Why did that girl jump off the roof of the school, and why did Cameron stop John from trying to save her? What images was she seeing? Why didn't Cameron detect there was a bomb in the car?

  • March 5, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    BigMick, see my post above...

    by biggles2_22

    ...to explain how they can veer from your sacred "canon".

  • March 5, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Ok, enough is enough

    by pumaman

    Who's dick do I have to suck to get a second season ?

  • March 5, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    re: slkboxrman

    by Ray Gamma

    "slkboxrman" said: "the UK is pure fucking rubbish too, the only thing good about it is the concentration of sex and nudity on regular TV there.....other than that ur whole country sucks." </P> <P> hahaha at least my kids will go to school without fear of being SHOT but some jilted emo, you hilarious american cock.

  • March 5, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    bobinnova...

    by Mistahtibbs

    <p>I don't think that was Cromartie who car-bombed Carmen. That guy walking away when she "blowed up real good©" was the Armenian with "The Turk™" that they're after.</p> <p>MT</p>

  • March 5, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Love the Show, Hate the Trolls

    by Visact

    This is a potentially great show. The acting and production standards are high. There is the occasional line of dialogue that makes me groan, but most of the show has great promise and is already great entertainment. I'm trying to understand the minds of the Trolls who frequent these talkbacks. If you don't like the show, don't watch it. There are enough Reality Shows out there that I would rather die than watch, so I just don't watch them. Get a life people, if you have something contructive to say, say it, otherwise go move into a hole with Osama.

  • March 5, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    My apologies to Osama

    by Visact

    Trolls have even less purpose in life but they sure like to troll this site.

  • March 5, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    @ray

    by logicalnoise01

    dude at least we don't get beaten to death by our irresponisble drunk teens who have nothing better to do. BTW hows that congestion tax.

  • March 5, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    bobinova

    by logicalnoise01

    that wasn't cromartie who blew up the jeep it sarkasian played by teh awesome James Urbaniak(aka Dr venture).

  • March 6, 2008, 4:55 a.m. CST

    mai too sense....

    by RokurGepta

    it's not "great", but it hasn't been terrible either. I've actually enjoyed about half of the episodes, i think all the actors are doing a fine job, even Brian Austin Green. I also think that B.A.G . did a pretty good job in that Domino movie as well..... <r> I love the character that Summer Glau plays, Cameron is a terminator that I would definately appreciate some quality time with.... Is her name a little nod to James Cameron or what? <r> i can't believe that more people havn't picked up on the opening monologue "some to kill him, one to protect him" it is saying point of fact that Skynet sent 1 terminator back in time to protect John Connor.... i think it is safe to "assume" this is Cameron... right? <r> what if Cameron IS skynet? not that she will become skynet, but that skynet copied or uploaded its personality/AI into the Cameron terminator body/unit? <r> <r> I think the acting for the most part is pretty good. I think that they actor's/actresses are just "getting to know" the characters.... <r> yes my favorite scenes are the park scene, and the future scenes..... and the shoot out in the "finale" <r> basically I'd be really really sad if fox did not renew this series, if this show were to be canceled, it would not be the first good show to be shit canned by FUX, ad it definately won't be the last... <r> on another note, that show "UNHITCHED" look good to anyone? i was thinking of checking it out.... anyone really like it? think it will last? <r> the juilianne morgolis show looks damn terrrrrrrrrrible.... <r> i watched the first episode of "new amsterdam" and it was OK, but only ...just OK....., so I have a sneeky suspician that it will be canceled after around 2-3 episodes.... <r> hey anyone know what happened to the show "quarterlife"? did it get canceled after 1 episode? i noticed it then aired on the channel bravo? what is the story behind that? <r> ok enough rambling, and I hope i put in the right symbols for line spacing, otherwise this post will be a jumbled mess....

  • March 6, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Cameron is a nod to James Cameron

    by messi

    yes.

  • March 6, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Which Ellison are you referring to?

    by RokurGepta

    I would love to read that, what is the title of the book? -thanks :)

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