March 2, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST
Simon owns your mom.
March 2, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST
March 2, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST
No, fuck you Kima. Fuck your sanctimonious backstabbing bullshit. Yeah, McNulty broke the law. But the results were worth it. So, fuck you Kima. Why donchu pretend to raise your kid sometimes. <br><br> Btw, I can't believe its almost over. One more episode of the greatest tv show of all times. I'm both really looking forward, and dreading the end. Oh, but I'm LOVING how Omar set-up Marlo for his own raged out self-destruction. He planted the seeds, now lets watch the dominoes fall.
March 2, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST
thx to microprocessors....and soon, we will be getting into starwars territory when they add pain receptors....and yes, epi 9 is as close to perfect as any tv epi can get....and we all wait for the finale....and then everyone can join me for the wake
March 2, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST
by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World
That Baltimore is screwed up and no one gives a shit, a legend like Omar gets filled away, his death doesn't even make the paper, and he almost gets filed under the wrong damn name. The world is fucked up. That's what the last shot of him being zipped up in the body bag is all about, "this is it," whether your a homeless drunk, a badass like omar, or whoever, they all end up here. What else is it supposed to mean?
March 2, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST
Just another example in the episode (along with Gus bumping a mention of Omar's murder from the paper) of the relative unimportance of Omar and the drug lords to everyone but the police (or...everyone but McNulty and Lester.) No one seemed to notice the murder of Prop Joe either, one of the biggest drug runners of the East Coast, other than realizing he had some court documents in his desk.<p>It was just a final insult for Omar (and for how the world at large cares about this rung of society)...except for for the attention of a nameless morgue worker he would have been consigned to the wrong tag on his body bag. <p>Plus, it was a good way to get a final scene for Omar and end the ep with him, a final goodbye.
March 2, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST
by Stevie Grant
I don't have enough time to get into a TV series, but I'm thinking about doing it anyways. Is The Wire the show I should start? I've heard it's very good, even better than the Sopranos. But I'm deciding between The Wire and Battlestar Galactica. Recommendations?
March 2, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST
If you had time for both I'd say go for it but if you can only pick one, The Wire is far better and more substantial. It's doubtful there will ever be another series like it. Also, if you have time to post in talk back, I'm pretty sure you've got time to watch TV.
March 2, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST
One of, if not the best show ever! But we still have Ed Burns and David Simons "Generation Kill" to look forward to.
March 2, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST
by Stevie Grant
I don't get many tv stations; I'm talking Net Flix here. But, good point, I spend time I don't have on this site. Hell, I even responded to the latest "Laserpants" trolling this morning on the SNL TB. I hadn't had my coffee yet, so I wasn't thinking rationally.
March 2, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST
by Stevie Grant
everything I've heard says that they are both really good. And I am intent to watch both series. But I am leaning towards The Wire. I watched the first few episodes a while back. They didn't exactly draw me in, but I got the feeling that this is a series that was taking the time to craft and develop characters and stories.
March 2, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST
Excellent episode but a tad anti-climatic. <p> With it being the next to the last this one leaves you feeling there is so much to tie together and so little time.
March 2, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST
March 2, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST
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March 2, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST
Are you positive the last episode will not be shown ondemand early? HBO even advertises that you can view EVERY episode a week early.
March 2, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST
It is too bad that art like "The Wire" doesn't get watched by very many. Yet, however, reality masterpieces such as "Girlicious" I am sure are doing superbly.
March 2, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST
It will be disappointing if everything is tied together in a neat little bow. This show has rightly prided itself on realism. Sometimes reality doesn't wrap up the way we like, or at all.
March 2, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST
by Ace Hunter
Nice one, Herc. Also, in non-Wire related news, McG and Fox have confirmed they are remaking Spaced. Without any involvement from Wright, Pegg, and Hynes. No one should watch this abomination once it rears its ugly head. If you haven't seen (the British show) Spaced, it's supposed to be making its Dvd appearance in America this year. Or you could hit the torrent sites... Indeed.
March 2, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST
by vaudeville villain
i know all good things must come to an end, but DAMN will i miss this show. everything about ep. 9 exemplifies the greatness that is The Wire. and i'm torn in regards to the finale... on one hand, i'm dying to see how everything will be wrapped up--if at all. on the other, however, i know that once i see it... it's over.
March 2, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST
by vaudeville villain
Kima really can go fuck herself. from the looks of things, not only is Jimmy prison-bound in all likelihood, but Marlo's probably going to be released on a technicality.
March 2, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST
by Charlie Murphy
but after the episode ended, i went to bed, but didn't fall asleep for a while, just thinking about it, and the previous posters are right. no one gives a fuck about Omar, and that was just the show's way of saying that he was just another gangster in a never ending cycle. i can't imagine the show ever being tied up in a bow. hell, even if marlo gets taken out, there's what? at least three supporting cast that you know would take his place. even if mcnulty and co. wrap up this case, you know that phone's gonna ring tomorrow with a new one. the show is hopelessly bleak in its realization that life goes on... and i love it for that. also, to Stevie, you should for sure try out The Wire and BSG. just pick up the dvds and watch at your own pace (or, if you're one of those, you can download them.) both are fantastic.
March 2, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST
by Larry of Arabia
The Wire is more complex and at times difficult to follow. It's bleaker than BSG as well - if that's at all possible. It's also twice as rewarding. Both are quality.
March 2, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST
It takes a few episodes to get into but it's worth the wait. The first season started right after a season of Sopranos ended (I think) and I was watching out of habit, asking myself why I kept coming back. Then 5 or 6 eps in and I realized I was hooked.
March 2, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST
Like the Sopranos finale.
March 2, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST
but what a great way to end it. 1.5 hour series finale next week! Wooohooo!!!!!
March 2, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST
yeah, I don't think she had to do that. McNulty AND Lester are in the wrong here, though. I think Kima's thoughts were on all the other peripherally, unknowingly involved cops who could have their reps hurt. Like Carver, as she told him to make sure his guys say they didn't know anything. By the way, whatever fate befalls McNulty, Lester is nearly as guilty and shouldn't get away unscathed. And, this isn't a spoiler, cuz I don't really know, but I think a "copycat" killer is going to kill a homeless person, red ribbon and all. And McNulty's gonna realize its sorta his fault. On a show like this, even "our hero" is not gonna have a happy ending. Or so I assume. This show does not give people what they want and is not about "crowd pleasing". It's just about telling a story, and doing it well.
March 2, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST
by Charlie Murphy
it does start slow, but there are moments early on when you know that you're watching something special. "This is America, man."; "the dude who inventing chicken nuggets is a genious, man" "You think he get paid?" "Shit, he richer than a motherfucker"; the entire scene where McNulty and Bunk only say "fuck"; and whoever posted above is right, all of a sudden you're six episodes in and you're like "well i'll be damned" and you're hooked for life. wait until you see Omar testify at the end of season one. fuck, the new episode starts in four minutes i gotta go.
March 2, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST
I can't find anything on HBO.com that says that. You have an inside source?
March 2, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST
I like both, but The Wire is unmatched in terms of depth, execution, and tightness of its seasons. It's very well told. BSG, as much as I love it -- and I'm SO GLAD it's finally coming back, because I'll need something after The Wire is gone -- has filler episodes that do nothing. In The Wire, "...all the pieces matter." For no other show are those words so clearly true.
March 2, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST
When Daniels and Pearlman called the cell phone in the evidence lockup, where was that phone from, and what number where they calling? Totally missed that.
March 2, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST
it is ending with a lot of major characters getting whacked. They turned Kima into Judas because they knew how much it would tick us off. But the finale will offer both triumph and tragedy. <p> Who will be depicted in the final scene? Bubbles? Michael? Omar's boyfriend? How will it end, spoiler boy?
March 2, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST
No reason whatsoever for her to rat Jimmy out.
March 2, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST
Man, watching Dukie walk into the world of drugs and homelessness was really, really sad. This is the end friends. <p> Personally, no one really seems to watch the Wire no matter how much I preach about it. And I think I'm okay with that now. The finale will not have the hype like the Sopranos and there aren't going to be Wire finale parties going on. <p> I started out watching the Wire alone and I can't wait to see the Wire finale alone and focussed. <p> What will the last shot be when you hear that bass kick in for the final time and the credits roll? Oh yeah you know that feeling.....Dum Dum.......Dum Dum. <p> The game's the game. It just got more fierce.
March 2, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST
Yeah, I too can't get anyone to watch it. Biggest problem is the name: "The Wire" is just not a term that gets people fired up. "Crazy Shit Down In B-More" would have gotten 10x the audience. Sadly, though, the patience and intelligence of the plotting likely drives many people off as well, as it takes its time to really get going, and generally people will give a show 2-3 episodes before the give up and switch back to 24 or Dancing With The Stars.
March 2, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST
it's a gift for the small few of us who have the patience to follow a multi-layered story.
March 2, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST
First off, That was an amazing episode. The scene with Michael and Bug really got to me. Snoop's line "How's my look Mike?" was perfect and Michaels response was even better. Marlo actually got mad! And it was awesome. Bubbs speech also struck a nerve with me. My predictions: Once again I'm sticking with Lester dying of a heart attack. Marlo will be released only to be beat up by kids and his name will be tarnished for good. Dukie will stay being a junk man but we will never see him do drugs. Michael will still be on the run and maybe finally turn to Cutty for help? McNulty will be kicked off the force but he won't be arrested. He also WON'T be mad at Kima. He will just be thankful it's all over. Carcetti is fucked because of the homeless shit. No recovery. Templeton will be called out on the lies but the big guys at the paper will cover it up so The Sun doesn't get it's name tarnished. This will piss Gus off. The series will end with a great article written about Bubbs and he will still be clean. It will show people that there is still hope. Those are my theories. I can't believe there is only episode left. I've watched the wire since its debut and no other show or movie has ever meant so much to me.
March 2, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST
by Charlie Murphy
great episode... i got to thinking how these characters are all going off on their own, especially the kids... michael's going to (even he doesn't get got) be this big badass... an outlaw on the streets, he'll probably get stuck with the rep as the guy who took down Marlo... in a way, maybe the next Omar. Namond's gonna grop up right, maybe be a cop or a lawyer or something. watching Dukie walk down that alley brought to mind what a young Bubbs must have been faced with... it's all happened before and it'll happen again. what a great episode, fuck i was almost in tears during Bubbles' meeting. Templeton, the dumb fuck, looks like he's going down. marlo saying he would've faced Omar. snoop... fuck...
March 2, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST
never wanted this series to turn into lost, with thousands of message boards and every retard on the net making some dumbass fan vid or fiction....no fucking teenaged girls swooning over marlo...none of the characters are all that attractive...and even the physically attractive ones have such character flaws that they arent attractive....this is a show for us....the denizens of aicn and imdb....the fiction geeks...the people who hate the fact that comic con is now pimp heaven for hollywood...the people who still read for pleasure....it kills me that it wont get any recognition next award season...but maybe thats better....this is our show....so fuck the masses
March 2, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST
he cant live without being police...his death was forshadowed in epi 8...he is done for...maybe lester dies too...but the wake will be for mcnulty
March 2, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST
art that doesn't get watched by very many, BREAKING BAD, best one yet tonight
March 3, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST
by Ace Hunter
I always liked that screw up who redeemed himself. I'd like to see Donut show up as well.
March 3, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST
She's giving the brass a chance to stop this before it goes further. All this false paperwork can come back on the rest of the dept and undermine all the "good" cases that they have made. In the meantime, Herc is telling the lawyer all he needs to pop Stanfield by uncovering the illegal wire tap. Perhaps Daniels will head him off at the pass and "fix" the homeless killer supoena. Or maybe they all get burnt by it. Or maybe the lawyer's not going to be able to prove anything anyway. Things could tip either way, and it's ultimately McNaulty's fault, good or bad.
March 3, 2008, 12:30 a.m. CST
Some of the police have won....others have lost....some of the drug dealers succeeded...others have failed....and as the camera lifts away and begins to show the last skyline of Charm City....up drives BROTHER MOUZONE IN VALCHECK'S VAN!!!!!! BROTHER MOUZONE LOOKS OVER AT LAMAR IN THE PASSENGER SEAT....AND LAMAR GIVES HIM THE RECENT ISSUE OF HARPER'S!!!!!! AND THEY DO A JIG!!!! A HAPPY NAPPY JIG!!!! AND THEY BUY A RED HAT FROM BUBS!!!! AND THEY ALL DO A JIG!!!!....And thus, the end! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
March 3, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST
by The Real MiraJeff
one person dies. that is all.
March 3, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST
no huge body count??? the faux gangsters who hang out on imdb are gonna be dissapointed...and please dont tell us that you have see a screener, cuz that means its gonna hit the web in a couple of days, and the spoilers will be everywhere
March 3, 2008, 4:19 a.m. CST
by Some farts really stink.
I'm looking forward to the series finale and dreading it at the same time.
March 3, 2008, 5:06 a.m. CST
by The Real MiraJeff
i've seen it, but i can't imagine anyone else who's seen it would want to spoil it. i feel like the show's cult-like audience will be rewarded for their loyalty and the finale won't be spoiled but i'm sure some dick out there in Internetland will certainly try... you can be sure it won't be me though. any guesses as to who it is. i'd love for you guys to humor me. just hoping to quell the bloodlust. this is a thinking man's show, it's not let's shoot up the ER cuz it's sweeps week.
March 3, 2008, 5:37 a.m. CST
Where the hell did she disappear to?
March 3, 2008, 6:43 a.m. CST
have to agree about Kima - I can't believe she has been so short sighted in exposing this mess. Yes some police have been wasted doing something which is a total fabrication - but this is outnumbered by the good police work being done and not just to bring down Marlo's crew. Even Bunk got his case sorted because of the serial killer. Kima compared what she was doing with Carver - but on that occassion Carver grassed up a colleague who was clearly in the wrong. Who beat up an innocent person for no other reason than he was pissed off. Now McNulty has pulled some serious shit with this serial killer - but ultimately it was his only option left in the fucked-up world of Baltimore PD. He did it purely to get real police work done and ultimately his tactic has proven successful. Its extremely doubtful that anything extra would have been done on Marlo's case if it wasn't for McNulty, so what is the bigger crime? Fabricating a serial killer or letting the real serial killer go? I think this is the issue that Daniels will have to face. I can't see him simply giving McNulty up without mulling it over first - because everyone will come out of this covered in shit including himself. He will have overseen a case that was made up by one of his own men, the Mayor will get fucked and this will be a national scandal that will blow his chances of moving up to Annapolis. If he hadn't told Ronnie about it I think he may have considered keeping it under his hat and simply destroying McNulty. But she won't allow the Marlo case to go forward knowing that it was based on an illegal wire tap. I am really worried for McNulty now and am almost dreading seeing the final episode. You know I thought it might be geared towards a happy ending of sorts - I had a huge smile on my face when they swooped in on the warehouse and Lester picked up that clock. But ultimately isn't it more in keeping with The Wire philospohy that things never work out for the best - Marlo will get off and the message will be reinforced that nothing ever changes. McNulty will lose his job or worse - reinfocring the idea that bad things happen to the good guys more than the bad guys. I also have a feeling that McNulty will not be able to cope without being a police, and will end it all. Hope to God I'm wrong as McNulty is the greatest anti-hero cop in TV history and he doesn't deserve such a fate. Templeton is going down - Gus has enough now to expose him as the lying piece of shit he is. Agree though that he's unlikely to be exposed publicly as he is the editors golden child. Couldn't believe Herc was feeding all that info back to the lawyer - after he gave Marlo's number to Carver in the first place! Guess he figures he doesn't owe them any loyalty after they got rid of him the way they did. Too many thoughts on too many characters - there is nothing like The Wire and I like many others will certainly be emotional when the music kicks in for the final scene knowing that we will never step into this amazingly realise world again.
March 3, 2008, 6:53 a.m. CST
by Kentucky Colonel
Remember that she wouldn't finger Wee Bay because she honestly didn't see him, even with much prodding by the Bunk? For her to rat out the gang, while reprehensible (cops don't rat on cops) is within the scope of her character. <p> Still... <p> Fuck that ugly dyke. I haven't liked her ever since she went all cold-hearted about her "child". <p> And even though I'm sure it was said above (I'm still not looking nyah-nyah-nyah) according to the HBO website episode synopsis, the ME tech switched the ID tags to PROPERLY identify Omar...seems he was labled as White Male Heart Attack. www.hbo.com/thewire <p> Fuck am I going to miss these guys. I drove up to Baltimore last week and visited a few of the shooting locations. It was so awesome to see Marlo busted in the very park where I was earlier that week taking photos. Funny that...while the show is set mainly on the West side most filming is done on the East side. Marlo's rim shop lies just outside of Baltimore cemetary. Bubbles' garage, Marlo's spot and Hamsterdam are all very close together. <p> Best....Show.....EVER!!!
March 3, 2008, 6:53 a.m. CST
by Kentucky Colonel
Is at home, and probably got some hot sex action last night. Love to see her in the finale (topless). Beadie, too!
March 3, 2008, 7:03 a.m. CST
by Kentucky Colonel
Do like I did....buy all the DVDs (I got most of my sets from BJ's wholesale club for $40 each) and start passing them around. So far, I've made many workplace converts. I'm begging my wife to catch up (she's only just now finished Season 2) so we can watch the final episode together. Man, was she pissed when I told her Omar got Got. Hell, I told her, it was all over the 'net (and even on Page 13 of EW on Friday) and I was sure she'd rather hear it from me than USA Today. Plus I wanna put "RIP OMAR" on my rear window in shoe polish this week. <p> Anybody know of any farewell viewing parties in Baltimore this sunday, like maybe at Kavanaughs?
March 3, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST
would have to be McNutty as Bubbs would say. The only reason I say that is because I can't see how he's going to get away with this serial killer thing. Either that or Landsman's going to have a heart attack. <p> I know everyone's going to hate Kima for snitching but my question is what's up with Herc? His whole character arc of going from the tough cop to working with Levy is an issue with me. He basically got the number so Freamon could set up the wire and now he's giving Levy information that he could possibly use against the case. <p> Oh and a nice touch was having the detective from Season 1, who contemplated throwing himself down the stairs, now in Evidence Control. Daniels says to him, "Glad you landed okay." Classic.
March 3, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST
Yeah she helped out briefly in season 2 when they found all the dead girls down on the port. She was taking classes somewhere and continuing her education. That's the last we heard or saw of her.
March 3, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST
I was hoping they'd touch back on that. I wonder if Randy's storyline is wrapped up.
March 3, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST
Is that Marlo gets it in the end... but I can't see who in the hell would off him. Cheese maybe? I'm pissed about Kima too. Stop Snitchin!!! I will be sad to hear that awesome end credits music for the final time, and see the HBO logo fizzle out. I think I'm going to cancel the premium channels... at least until Dexter comes back.<p><p> Speaking of Dexter, I thought it was an awesome shout-out when Duke was watching it! "It's about this serial killer who kills other serial killers!!!"<p>1 more episode to go! And no On-Demand watching spoiler whores to ruin it for me!
March 3, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST
The guy writing the story now on Bubbles will end up winning the Pulitzer (although that process may take too long to handle in the current timeline...perhaps in the finale montage). Also, my other (slighly moronic) prediction is that Bubbles gets capped and since he had helped the po-po for so many years, they have a wake for him.
March 3, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST
Is on Demand here in the Philly area. Please watch it! Hilarious!
March 3, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST
Lester mentioned Shardene, his stripper girlfriend, to McNulty during the drinking-at-the-train-tracks scene. He was hoping she'd still be awake for a little Lester Love.
March 3, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST
I don't think Herc had any ill intent when he told Levy about the wire tap. During his scene with Carver after the big bust, he said that there had to be a Lester wire tap behind the arrest -- because Herc himself gave the cops the cell number. When he was talking to Levy afterward, he assumed that that was how they got the probable cause to stake out the drug warehouse. And he was right!
March 3, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST
Anyone else love Clay's Stringer story?
March 3, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST
Yeah that's right. Funny seeing Lester getting all drunk and McNulty being the sad sober guy. <p> Something about the Herc thing I still have a problem with. I mean he knows he's working for Levy and he's openly talking about the cops and what happened. I bet Levy gets Marlo out because of this. I just don't see the series ending with Marlo still locked up. <p> And where's Barksdale? I wanna see a Wee Bey vs. Chris Paltrow prison shank fight.
March 3, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST
But someone name Ol Gravy Leg purposely spoiled the rest of the season for me a couple of weeks ago in these talkbacks.. and I had planned to stay away from the talkbalks starting last week, but it's pointless now. I been watching the show since Day 1, kinda sucks after all of that time not to be able to have that full experience of watching the end of the show.
March 3, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST
by The Funketeer
I think Kima's staying true to her character. She has an idealized vision of what it means to be a police and it bothers her that McNulty is messing everything up. As much as we like to cheer for him, McNulty's actions have really messed up the department and taken people off of cases that deserved attention. Also, just because Kima rats him out, doesn't mean anything is going to happen to him. Do you think the mayor and and commissioner are really going to want to publicly admit that one of their guys invented a serial killer to increase the budget for the police department? Especially when Tommy's gearing up for an election. I think she'll rat him out and it'll get swept under the rug. As for Michael, I don't think he's going to make it. He's too much like D'Angelo. He questions the way things are done and while he's usually right, that's not the way the game is played. A guy like Marlo seems to understand the game more than anyone except maybe Avon. D tried to change things up and died. Stringer tried to change things up and died. Joe tried to change things up and died. Bodie tried to change things up and died. I think Marlo's gonna be left standing at the end and taking out Michael (no more Snoop or Chris to do his dirty work) on the streets is how he's going to restore the name Omar besmirched before he died.
March 3, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST
Sheeeit. It's just wrong that perhaps the greatest television show of all time is winding down to 67 total posts on the talkback while Lost (a show that was excellent the first season, but has been directionless and forced ever since JJ stopped paying attention) gets over 1100. You telling me that the only show in the history of television that is able to develop and support at least 20 strong disparate characters and twice that many storylines is not worthy of further discussion? It's truly unfortunate.
March 3, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST
Couldn't agree more. Omar's more alive than this talkback. Let's see how many it gets after the finale? Maybe break 100?
March 3, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST
Well if Mirajeff is right, there is only one death. And we know from the preview synopsis last week that there is another Policeman's Wake in the finale. So I have to say that it probably doesn't look good for McNulty. Although, that's probably just what they want me to think. I didn't see punkass little Kenard popping Omar either. On another note, Michael was great this past week. I think this was his send off - he's going to disappear. He had two tremendous scenes, first with Snoop and then with Dukie and Bug. They could close his character arc off here and I would be very satisfied.
March 3, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST
Unless I understood that scene wrong, Herc just fucked his brothers in blue, didn't he? Why fucking give up the number in the first place if you're gonna turn and discuss it with Levy like that? Just cos Carver wouldn't kiss his ass and discuss the case with him? Sure seems like Levy'll be able to get them off with that info. Meanwhile, here's my hope, what do you think? It's that Marlo & Levy somehow put it together that Herc was the leak that led to the big bust (based on his comment to Levy to the effect of "however they got the number") and bust a cap in his ass? hmmm...of course, if there's only one fatality in the finale (per Mirajeff), it's likely not herc...
March 3, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST
I agree. His storyline may be done with but I thought Dukie's was too. The previews seemed to show a lot of Prez and Dukie. If Bunk Moreland dies, I'm going to be a sad, sad mf'er come next Monday. I don't see that happening but hey you never know.
March 3, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST
Herc would probably still warrant a policeman's wake right? But I don't think Levy would rat him out to Marlo. In fact, Levy was excited at the prospect of the police getting a wire up on Marlo. He knew he'd be a cash cow when he inevitably got busted. I hope somehow we're wrong and there is more than one death, actually. I'd love to see Avon Barksdale make a move on Marlo in prison and re-emerge as the king of the West Side. Remember DeAngelo teaching that to Bodie in season one? "A King is always Da King." Avon has the Russian in his pocket, so he's got a line to the Greeks and the source. He muscles Marlo out of it and he's right back in charge with nobody opposing him (no prop joe, no marlo, no stringer, etc. - who's going to stop him? Cheese?).
March 3, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST
I agree, if something happens to the Bunk, I'm going to be very upset. These guys are capable of anything though (I never thought that they'd kill Stringer or Omar). Is Marlo really going to skate though? I could see it. This show is about real life and in real life, the good guys don't always win. I predict a generally depressing ending with a few bright spots to show that there's at least a little hope.
March 3, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST
Yeah that'd be great if he came out of this and went right back to the top. I'm assuming he's going to be in prison for awhile though. They'll probably show some up and coming young'n step in and take over if Marlo goes. Just to show that the game is going to keep going on. Maybe Michael? <p> Do you think the season 2 story arc is done with? Can they possibly go after the Greek in the last 90 minutes? How about a Ziggy sighting? haha!
March 3, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST
That would be a nice twist, if they are able to pull down the Greeks as a result of this, but that could be an entire season. But I think Levy is the one going down even if Marlo gets off on a technicality or something. I'd love just a Ziggy cameo somehow. In the background in the laundry room or something while Marlo is interacting with Avon. I think the Season Two homage will come from Beadie and her interaction with McNulty (and whatever happens to him).
March 3, 2008, 4:26 p.m. CST
Marlo and company are going to get out on a technicality, but the gang is going to wind up wiping each other out -- especially after Marlo starts going crazy because Omar called him out and made him look like the straight up bitch he is to the entire neighborhood. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that, at that point, Omar wanted to die, was trying to die, so that Marlo would never be able to get him, and would go insane with rage after hearing all the shit Omar was talking about him. I think he, and his gang, are gonna have a total meltdown and shoot-out in the final episode. Whoever's left will take over the corners.
March 3, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST
Mirajeff has supposedly already seen the episode and he says that there will only be one death. So that would mitigate your theory. Which in some ways is unfortunate because some gangland violence is always fun. If Marlo goes down, it's going to be a surgical attack against him by Avon, who is strong enough to keep control over his turf (and has the connections with the Greeks). But (i) that is too easy and neat of a solution for the Wire (which is one of the many reasons I love it) and (ii) the preview synopsis mentions another Policeman's Wake - so that would seem to mean that the only death is a cop.
March 3, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST
For all of you who were pissed about Gray Leg and his attempt to spoil the last episode and who take Mirajeff at his word I just have to say I have seen so many people calim so have see this episode here and at other sites and they all tell different stories some have Marlo killed some in Jail some have him walking away with no repercusions at all so given this and other inconsistancies I still don't have a fuckin clue which is the way it should be
March 3, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST
My man looks like he's on his last leg...I mean think about it. With Stringer/Bell kaput, Marlo/Chris/Snoop have been put on ice, who's gonna be his dragon/windmill to his Quixote? That plus the fact that, that sanctimonius dyke, Kima dropped a dime on his whole master scheme which will in probability ruin his (already) spotty carreer + his personal life is FUBARRED. This sad sack won't have shit to live for.
March 3, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST
Kinda makes ya realize how much fire shoots out of any oraface.
March 3, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST
Is actually right. She and Bunk are two of the more honest cops on the show. Yes, they are cynical, but in the end, they are the two most honest characters on the show. They feel that they can make a difference. Remember Bunk's conversation with Omar? More revealing about Bunk's belief than anything else. I applaud the both of them. Through all the political bullshit, they still feel that they can make a difference.
March 3, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST
They better not kill him. I will just be devastated. David Simon always does the unexpected so hopefully everyone is expecting Bunk to die so that would make him safe. That made no sense. A lot of people think its Cheese who dies. I sure hope so. I've always had a problem with Method Man as an actor especially on a show with huge talent like The Wire. I still think it's Lester that bites the dust. He knows too much. If he's gone then the cases fall apart(clay davis, Marlo) just the way it always happens on The Wire. If McNulty does kill himself though, he better do it by standing in front of the train. That would almost be poetic.
March 3, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST
i don't know if I believe there will only be one death, but, if it is only one, and it is a cop, I think either Lester or McNulty are the most likely.
March 3, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST
by The Real MiraJeff
First of all, never doubt The Real MiraJeff. Only one person gets killed. But that doesn't mean two others don't get shot...
March 3, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST
1. marlo goes down at the hands of avon. he arranged the meeting with the greeks for marlo... 2. mcnulty retires 3. slim is the new king until avon gets out early for snitching on marlo 4. michael, bug and dookie get back together 5. cheese is the one who bites it(and i must agree that method man has been a little sub-par)
March 3, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST
I've never posted to AICN, but my love for this show has inspired me. Loved Ep9...Like an earlier poster, can't wait to watch this finale alone, fully fixated on every last detail. It seems too predictable for McNulty to be the finale death, he's so low right now. I'm re-watching Ep9 now, and I love the Clay Davis scenes with Lester, everything with Bubbles, and the Michael/Bug/Dukie scenes...AMAZING. I'm really going to miss this show, I'm so invested in these characters. And I hope there's a solid TB here after the finale...I don't know anyone else that watches The Wire, which makes me feel cool and disappointed at the same time.
March 3, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST
He'll probably have a heart attack. It's only natural for the death to be unrelated to anything going on.
March 3, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST
Speculation only after repeated viewings of Episode 59 - could he be the courthouse leak? Might be a stretch re: motive but I think it is possible. With one episode left, I am looking forward to the last hurrah but dreading it at the same time. Nothing on TV is supposed to make roar with laughter one minute and weep the next while all the while making you question the policy decisions both great and small being made every day. It is simply sublime - an experience no other TV program could possibly replicate.
March 4, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST
Pretty sure it's Bond. If not, could it possibly be Judge Phelan? I mean ... really, who else do we even know in the courthouse?
March 4, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST
Jumping a little bit, but who do you think is the smartest character ever portrayed on the show? Stringer? Omar? Carcetti? McNulty? or Lester?
March 4, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST
So great that his spider sense tingled and he did as he was trained, got there early. His character had one of the more dramatic and satisfying arcs of anyone. I hear that the actor resonated so well that the character was given more of a role as the series progressed than originally anticipated. Well done.
Yes, I'd like to see the actor playing Michael move on to other things. I heard Omar's got a part in the new Hulk coming out. <p> Smartest character ever? Mmmmm tough one with the names you list. I would go with Freamon. On the criminal side of things, I'd have to go with the Greek who knew when get get out before he got caught. Although I would love to see them get him in the finale. Just a little payback for Frank Sobotka.
March 4, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST
...Rawls. Knows how to play everyone: politicos, rivals, rank and file - survives the first Barksdale cock-up, the Greeks' getaway, Hamsterdam. a new mayoral regime...and never gets covered in shit. A mean, selfish, Macchiavellian, weaselly fucking cockroach who's managed to keep his potentially devastating private life private and his career arc steady - until Cedric cock-blocked him out of nowhere Obama-style. He had a magnificent scene in S1 - berating McNulty with a crude kind of compassion when he was blaming himself for Kima getting shot - 'til now that's been the only crack in that supercilious facade. But as we all know, this being The Wire, it's going tits up for everyone involved. And anyone who didn't have a fucking golf ball in their throat when Michael couldn't remember the pissballoons incident in the car with Dukie simply has no heart. What a series. What a piece of work.
March 4, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST
by The Funketeer
I can agree with you on Rawls but I'm going to go with Bodie or Michael. Of all those cats playing the game, Bodie's the only one who recognized it was rigged and tried to get out before it ate him up. On the other hand, Michael has proven to be pretty sharp as well and always looked at Marlo and his crew with a critical eye. Keep in mind, the only reason Michael has hooked up with them was to protect his younger brother. Michael knows what he's become and he doesn't approve of the lifestyle he leads but he does it for Bug. He questions authority but also learns his lessons quickly and has already beat Marlo and Chris at their own game. I think he's toast next Sunday because he's a tragic figure and his story has more resonance if he dies but I think he's smarter than most of the other characters on the show.
March 4, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST
Good points about Rawls, Boxcutter. There's a difference between Michael's smarts (the street) and Rawls', so it's tough to rank one over the other...and you also have someone like Lester, who combines analytical crime smarts with an understanding of the street to do remarkable police work. And, yeah, I was also crying during the whole Michael/Dukie exchange, and I think Michael's a great actor. Method Man...not so much.
March 4, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST
....that's a tough one, because there are several sharp players in this series. On first blush I would say Lester, but upon reflection I'd go with Bunk. His great detective skills combined with considerable street smarts are impressive. But what sealed it for me was his dressing down of Omar in season 3. He was dead on about what the Barksdales (and yes, the Omars) of the world are doing to the inner-city community. He's not so smart when he's drunk, though! Damn, I'm going to miss him and all the other classic characters of "The Wire"!
March 4, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST
I just can't pick Bodie because he picked up mostly everything from D'Angelo and they are both dead. Stringer too. Rawls has gotten out of most of his situations but he gets outsmarted by McNulty in a couple of situations. Mostly the dead body tide charts storyline in season 2. <p> It could definitely be Michael but he hasn't been around long enough for me to name him the smartest. Just because he got the jump on Snoop doesn't rank him up there for me. <p> Not that this has anything to do with the smartest discussion but I started thinking about Rawls and I just remembered something. They never touched on the Rawls character being gay again did they?
March 4, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST
"givin' a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck" is a pitch-perfect read on McNutty. His analysis of Omar is also dead-on. I think Bunk is definitely the smartest character on the show. Gotta go with him. He's also one of the two moral centers of the show, the other being, naturally, Omar.
March 4, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST
Great call on the moral centers of the show - Omar and Bunk. Entirely different perspectives, but they both have a defined sense of right and wrong and they stick by it. Almost all of the others have their moments of virtue, but they all succumb to various temptations and vices in ways that make it tough to live with, but not the Bunk and Omar. They sleep soundly even during trying times. Some, like Marlo, Avon, Levy, Stringer and Clay Davis, are the most morally bankrupt and probably also sleep soundly. By the way, Carcetti is an unexpectedly complex character. I think he's quite underrated. While there is an unquenchable ambition, I do think that he also really wants to make a positive difference. He's forced to make some harsh compromises, but he's surprisingly moral and usually pretty fair.
March 4, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST
if Carcetti didn't want to be Gov so bad he would have taken the state bail out for the schools at the end of season 4 this would have keept him from gutting the police department and they could have stayed on Marlo and brought him down without the fake out McNultys BS killer sorry but Carcetti is just "the weak ass mayor of a broke ass city"
March 4, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST
The points Boxcutter made about Rawls are spot on> I'd like to cast a vote for Norman Wilson - the type of political operative James Carville thinks he is but isn't. Pisses me off something fierce that Carcetti can't hear Norman's wisdom - his ambition drowns out common sense and decency. By the way, Carcetti's chief of staff, who bullied Daniels and Rawls for a drop in the crime numbers, gets my vote for prick of the season.
March 5, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST
to tease the shite out of us...btw, wanna know great from good? rewatch the entire first season of the wire....then rewatch the entire first season of lost....and do both on successive nights....marathon them....you will see what i mean
March 5, 2008, 4:33 a.m. CST
Find and take it before spoiler assholes ruin it for you. <p>Or stay away from the boards for a week cause it's out there.<p> I'm watching it right now...
March 5, 2008, 4:35 a.m. CST
MiraJeff, you are without a doubt from your reviews to your comments the biggest douchebag on this site.
March 5, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST
You are absolutely right Nicmar, I completely forgot that Carcetti turned down the money because of his own ambition. He is a douchebag. And my second point, speaking of douchebags, is that you are also right Executor. Mirajeff is a douchebag. Remember when Vern's review got the coveted left side posting and Mirajeff threw a hissy fit and trashed Vern's review? Good times. Couse, as he told us himself, he's "just a 24 year old with a brain."
March 5, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST
The Sportsguy from ESPN.com and Jason Whitlock have a podcast devoted specifically to the Wire. It's probably worth listening to if you've got some time: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/simmons/index
March 5, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST
Love the Sports Guy. Love that he's all about pimping the Wire. Going to listen now.
March 5, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST
Listening to it now. I didn't realize that was Kenard in season 3 pretending to be Omar. Wow, blown away! I just watched that episode.
March 5, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST
I love this guy. Staying up until midnight = me, too! I laughed out loud when he called Simmons out on that.
March 5, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST
Five minutes about what awesome sports writers they are. Get back to the matter at hand, fools!
March 5, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST
by The Real MiraJeff
Q: Who are you and why should I care? <p> A: Nobodies and I don't. <p> Eat a bag and be grateful I don't spoil the best show in the history of TV for you. I might be a douchebag but I'm not THAT big of a douchebag.
March 5, 2008, 3 p.m. CST
by The Real MiraJeff
so what'd you think of the finale, hotshot?
March 5, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST
I thought the finale was excellent in wrapping things up, but definitely in the second half more like an epilogue to a novel than a tense high octane episode like Ep 8 and 9. It was comfortable, not mind-blowing, but a fitting culmination of 5 excellent seasons. <p>REPEAT OF MIRAJEFF'S SLIGHT SPOILER<p>Though a lot of the tension is ruined...especially in a few of the later scenes after the "only one death" you blabbed about, because you know nobody is going to die. END SPOILER <p>Which is why even little teases like that ruin things a bit for people. Which is why I called you out. Even look at your response, "be grateful that I don't spoil the best show in the history of TV for you." What kind of person says that? You shouldn't care who I am, but people should care who YOU are, and so should you. You are supposed to be one of the "black label" posters, one of the respected people on this site, but you are acting like a child, like you need attention by spoiling things, then petulantly writing that we should be grateful you didn't post a complete spoiler synopsis. It's just self-serving and not fitting of someone with your position. <p>Be a Daniels, not a Rawls.
March 5, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST
by The Real MiraJeff
Point taken. But dude, you don't live in a vacuum. You read AICN, and not only that, you have a talkback account, and not only that, but you're using it in this thread, so really, what do you expect? You have no one to blame but yourself. Don't shoot the messenger. You started shit by calling me a douchebag. Why? Cuz I teased the finale by saying that someone gets killed. Guess what, McConaughey and Hudson wind up together at the end of Fool's Gold, and oh yeah, the Joker's not going to kill Batman in The Dark Knight. People, and not just you, get so paranoid about spoilers but then they hop into the talkbacks as if this is the last vestige of pure, unspoiled territory. Quite the opposite. I didn't reveal the goods and now you've just gone and made things worse by saying that the death fails to come at the end of the episode. Does that little nugget of information affect anything a single iota? No, not really. But I guess if someone else is sitting there watching it Sunday night they might have your post in the back of their mind and be primed for an early exit. <p> Be a Landsman, not a Kima.
Do you really believe that telling someone that Batman isn't going to die or that the main couple is going to end up together at the end of a romcom is the same as self-servingly posting a spoiler synopsis of Lost two weeks before the finale...or spoiling the Wire finale a week before it airs? Come on dude. <p>I think the only think sadder than that is the fact that we are the last two people holding up this Wire thread. So I guess we can't be all that bad.
March 5, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST
by The Real MiraJeff
yeah, we rocked this party til there was no one left. i wouldn't say i spoiled anything. in fact, there are some very accurate guesses just below my post. i'm just saying, douchebag was uncalled for, no? i didn't mean to lord my insider info over you, it was good-natured teasing cuz i know how all the real Wire fans would go nuts if I ever let the whole cat out of the bag.
March 5, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST
The Wire focuses on a very particular part of Baltimore. A forgotten and overlooked part of the city that is real, but not representative of all of Baltimore. Here David Simon, one of the show's creator, talks about the Baltimore that inspires him. The Baltimore that is bright and vibrant and very much alive. It's a city that inspires and informs Simon to produce some of the best series ever on television. Check out all that he has to say at http://www.visitmybaltimore.com/video/449/
March 5, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST
is excellent. Most predicitons are waaaay off. I'll definitely miss this show. Great fucking television.
March 6, 2008, 12:44 a.m. CST
I only post in "Wire" threads because online fandom for this show is dangerously low but Jesus Christ, MiraJeff. Yes, it does ruin something to say only one person gets killed. It's not, as you compare it, like Owen Wilson getting with Kate Hudson during "Fool's Gold" (...?). Do you like 'The Wire'? If so, then how does one justify telling another exactly how many people die in one of the most anticipated (for fans) finales of all-time? As a tease? I can think of only two options: 1.)You're not a very good writer, as that posting attests. or 2.)You really don't see the difference, and actually think that's a good point, which makes you delusional beyond...words. In which case I say try to suck the AICN tit as long as possible because, despite being illogical, your get-rich-or-famous scheme has gotten you a decent enough way on essentially nothing. Ride that baby as long as you can. Yes, I'm quite upset that I read your posting, and it is a spoiler. I wanted an actual tease and instead I knew, after a characters death, that everyone else was safe. The tension of the damn show is that NOBODY is safe, something they enjoy toying with. Having that ruined is not comparable to your other inane examples. I KNOW Iron Man isn't going to die. I DIDN'T KNOW how many characters would die on the finale of the "The Wire". I've highlighted the difference in those statements. Did you notice it? It was between "DID KNOW" and "DIDN'T KNOW". Did you catch it that time? Do you understand the discrepancy? Okay. Just learn journalism, man. I'm sorry to be a petulant asshole but you don't know what you're talking about and you demand a readership by being a journalist, online or not. It's the whole point of this season on "The Wire", and you actually have a chance to take that advice to heart. Don't get engaged with people who call you names on an AICN talkback. And if you do, at least appear like a journalist, not a petty fanboy. Nobody, including me, minds teasing, but that's not what it was. You ruined some of the suspense. You know that. You're not as bad as the douche who ruined Omar, but it still sucks. And your argument is just illogical.
March 6, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST
between paragraphs in this goofy forum. I apologize for that.
March 6, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST
I say if Herc gives us a talkback space for the final episode, let's try to keep the thread going. Maybe we can pull a Lost-like thing and make people get into the show after it's all said and done. Who's coming with me?
March 6, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST
Just saw the finale. Many previous rumors and spoilers don't hold up.
March 7, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST
What is this world coming to? How come people can't wait to watch the season finale? Is this why the ratings are so low? <p> A USA Today article blames the storyline for the ratings being so low. Not once does it mention HBO deciding to put every episode besides the finale OnDemand. <p> I'm still leaning towards either Landsmen or McNulty dying. I hope we see another policeman's wake. I may have to get sloshed for that one as well. <p> I'm out Wireheads. Talk to you on Sunday!
March 8, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST
It's not explosive, or super-exciting like the previous two episodes, and there are no massive shocks, but it was probably the most satisfying series finale I've ever seen. Without spoiling anything, I know that at least one thing that happens at the end (and probably a second as well) is going to make people tremendously happy. And predictions are, in fact, way off.