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Two Readers Target De Niro & Pacino's RIGHTEOUS KILL!!
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Merrick here...
...with two reviews from a recent screenings of RIGHTEOUS KILL.
The movie stars Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, John Leguizamo, Donnie Wahlberg, 50 Cent, the super-cool Brian Dennehy, and the super hot Carla Gugino.
These are longish reviews, so I'll get out of the way & let these guys talk. PLEASE NOTE that the film isn't scheduled to release until September, so these folks saw an unfinished version that could be altered before we see it in theaters.
First up: Buftar!
The name is Buftar. I have a blog thing buftar.blogspot.com, if you don't mind posting it.
I was invited this past Thursday to an advance screening of Righteous Kill at the Garden State Plaza Theater is sunny Paramus, NJ.
Since I heard about this movie (I think it was sometime April or May), I have been extremely interested in seeing it.
The thought of Al Pacino and Robert DeNiro as NYPD detectives chasing down a serial killer spelled nothing but E-F-F-I-N-G F-A-N-T-A-S-T-I-C to me.
And forgive me for completely exaggerating the interest I had, but since I saw their one and only encounter in Heat so many years ago, it left me wanting something a whole lot more.
At around 7:30, we were given the usual spiel: the movie is not finished yet, the visual effects are not finalized, the soundtrack is a temporary version.
The movie opens with DeNiro in a hooded sweatshirt speaking into a camera saying that he has killed fourteen some-odd people. Someone sitting behind a desk says hold on, rewinds the tape, then lets the same line go by. As though we have learned something new about the same innocuous thing being said. Anyway, after some nonsense racial remarks and a brief diatribe on what the point of his righteous kills was (GET IT?!?), credits roll.
A sonic boom of rap music, Pacino and DeNiro shooting up a target range, and some of the most annoying credits I have ever seen. It gave me a headache and ruined my mood to see a good movie.
Fortunately - or unfortunately, as it turns out - there was no good movie to be seen, anyway.
The main plot of the film took its time to come around, as the story followed the two should-be-retired, gold-badge-having partners as they try to nab a drug dealer played by Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson, a subsequent shootout, the beating of Mr. Cent in handcuffs by Mr. DeNiro, and the fallout from an internal affairs investigation.
What does this have to do with the actual plot of the film? Nothing. I wish I had been in the post-survey Q&A, because me thinks I found a way to cut a good twenty to twenty-five minutes of driftwood.
I'm sure they were talking the opportunity to point out how close DePac are as partners and all, and how the De in DePac is a hothead and how the Pac is some fast and loose mastermind of sorts. But the way they decide to present it in a sort of long and drawn out way makes me immediately wonder if it is appropriate to ask for my money back from a free screening.
When they finally get to the scene of the first crime (a pimp named Rambo is shot, a card with a silly poem is left beside Rambo and the gun that killed him), there are so many jump cuts, smash cuts, voice overs, and do-overs, the headache would have become a full-blown aneurysm if I didn't attempt to give the meat of the movie a chance. I should mention that the victims are all bad people that fall through the cracks of the legal system in one way or another, so Pacino insists early on that it must be a cop (a great scene where no one in the room says it, but he flashes his badge to indicate what they're all already thinking).
Did I mention that DeNiro is apparently confessing to everything in detail during these video voice-overs? And they jump-cut, smash-cut, and whatever else they can do to keep the audience caring...DeNiro is on-screen, telling us what he "did" and making it painfully obvious that either a) the director got bored with himself during production and decided to sell out the entire reveal early on; or b) the director decided to bore the audience by making it painfully obvious that DeNiro is being forced to offer up this info and is therefore ruled out as the killer FIFTEEN FREAKING MINUTES INTO THE MOVIE.
This kind of cramps the style of the rest of the flick as everyone in it tries to pin the murders on him THE ENTIRE FREAKING TIME.
I will say the acting is fine. Usually, when you hear DeNiro or Pacino mentioned in a new movie these days, you worry about the wireless service they will be using to phone in their respective performances. But here, they do a fairly good job of trudging the dump of a story along. The dialogue is at time fantastic. The one shining moment in all of the Mr. Cent business is a quick quip by DePac about how the cartoon Underdog inspired an entire generation of drug addicts to pop pills. Very funny, very obvious these guys get along real well.
And the one main exchange between them and their chief Brian Dennehy reminded me of Lethal Weapon 4 in a good way.
Carla Gugino makes due as a forensic detective and sexual interest of DeNiro. I say sexual and not romantic because she's a bit of a freak in the movie. And while I find her character interesting to a point that goes way beyond her being delicious eye-candy, the script gives her the depth of a birdbath to work with. She wants it harder, she wants her hair pulled, she wants to hear about DeNiro beating Mr. Cent up, cue the oversized novelty paycheck.
John Leguizamo turns in a very refreshing performance playing Officer John Leguizamo. Oh, and Donnie Wahlberg's in it too. They play two junior detectives working with the very senior detectives who initially suspect DeNiro is the guy. They ascertain this by enlisting the help of the dime-store psychiatrist helping DePac cope with their Righteous Kill from earlier (GET IT?!?).
By the time the shitty twist plops on the screen, I imagined a visual effect of a big rubber stamp punching the words "WHO CARES?" on the screen in deep red ink, once they finish the effects.
I wrote in my survey that "even if I didn't see this ending coming - which I did, very early on - I would still think it was the most contrived and lazy thing you could have done with the story." There was some leeway where I could see them changing the ending and making me happy. But is it even worth it? They should recut the whole thing as a buddy-cop comedy along the lines of the aforementioned Weapon that is Lethal. The audience laughed enough throughout the flick to suggest that something like that was doable.
I'm guessing that if you like In the Cut, rap music, and don't mind that Al Pacino does not scream his head off, you'll probably like this movie.
I'm hoping that since we saw what was a step above an assembly cut at best, they will trim out the terrible jumps, the awkwardly placed and poorly paced v.o.s, and pick a genre and stick with it (is this a police procedural? is this a character study of the thin blue line? is this a culture-clash American Gangster-type deal? is this a sequel to the movie Showtime?)
I'm recommending you watch this only if it is on a premium movie channel a year or so from now and you have nothing at all better to do. I'm sensing that I have been a little harsh, but I was expecting a different (at the very least, good) movie.
Your Righteous Shill (Get It?!?),
Buftar
Yeeeeeaaahhhhoooookaaay.
Here's Gruby with a more positive (but not effusive) look at the film.
I just came back from a test screening of the Robert Deniro / Al Pacio / 50 Cent - psychological thriller "Rightous Kill". We were told we are the first group of people to see the film.
I wasnt sure what to think before the movie, only thing I knew about the director was the he did "Up close and Personal" and the "88 minutes" movie with Al Pacino. The screening was in Paramus, NJ. Here is a link to the pass... http://www.movietickets.com/pdf/righteouskill.pdf
My initial thoughts are this...there are parts I like, there are some character I don't like, and I feel with some more polishing / editing they can really make this film work.
Some basic story line is this.. Al Pacino (Turk) and Robert DeNiro (Rooster) have been parters for like 30 years. It seems that while they are good partners, their personalities are like night and day. (there is a very cool slipscreen "on the couch with the psychiatrist scenes) that shows this really well..
Anyway, without getting into too many spoilers.. Carla Gugino plays a CSU forensics cop named Karen who like rough sex (seriously) and is banging De Niro. She is probably the least developed/likable character in the whole movie. Brian Dennehy plays Turks & Roosters boss and is on screen for about 5 minutes. (about 3 minutes shorter then our boy "50 Cent"). 50 Plays a gangster named Spider who runs Club 404 out of a old bank.. this is were he launders his drug money.. there is a sub plot that involved a corp lawyer named Jessica, De Niro and Spider where they try to set Spider up on a drug sale.
Donnie Wahlberg and John Leguizamo play two detectives that are helping Turk and Rooster on a case that involves a serial killer who kills drug dealers, pimps, and what not (think Boondock Saints) and then leaves a poem. Donnie & John where by far my favorite characters in the movie, probably because they played them very well. The main plot device is this.. a drug dealing pimp get popped twice in the head, and someone leaves a note. It turns out that this happens like 5 more times - it is later discovered to have happened in the past but Turk and Rooster put the bad guy in jail (another subplot that involves a frame up of sorts)
I dont want to get too much into the plot, cause I'm not really sure what could be considered a spoiler, and what isnt.. but I can tell you what I felt worked and what didnt.
What worked:
- Al Pacino and De Niro were good together. Their characters are so different yet they worked very well
- Donnie and John Leguizamo were kick ass.
- Al Pacino, Donnie Walhberg and John Leguizamo have a very cool scene talking over a table (think HEAT)
- Al Pacino and Brian Debbehy have a similar scene.. it worked very well.
- The movie was unlike an other cop flick or a whodunit flick. I have to admit I was guessing til the end, and then I was still thinking "WTF just happened"
- I think the ending worked well.
- Loved the intro. Music was temporary, but it was great. (Pacino & Deniro shooting Mp5 & m16 and other big guns at a shooting range intercut with credits and some addition plot devices that I wont mention)
What i didnt like:
- Carla Gugino character seemed very 1 dimensional. She seemed like a waste.
- Movie was a little slow at a few points.. nothing that can be fixed with a trim or there
- Final scenes were confusing as hell, but thats because the audio was complete garbage..
- 50 Cent was on screen for about 5 minutes. (a he gets 3rd billing?) - 3 minutes at the beggining. 2 in the end.
Overall, I enjoyed it. And they have my $9.50 when it comes out later this year so I can see just how much they changed.
I got to stay for the focus group, and the guy running it was a complete jerk off, but that is beside the fact. The main question was did we like the ending. I think 20 people out of like 24 said they did.
As for everyone other then the focus group, there was some clapping at the end, but nothing like "SUPER AWESOME".. the guy sitting next to my friend fell asleep, so I guess not everyone enjoyed.
Oh, and the guy running the focus group said the director was there somewhere in the bad.. but I had no idea what Jon Avnet looked like so I couldn't confirm..
If you decide to use this, call me Gruby.
I was invited this past Thursday to an advance screening of Righteous Kill at the Garden State Plaza Theater is sunny Paramus, NJ.
Since I heard about this movie (I think it was sometime April or May), I have been extremely interested in seeing it.
The thought of Al Pacino and Robert DeNiro as NYPD detectives chasing down a serial killer spelled nothing but E-F-F-I-N-G F-A-N-T-A-S-T-I-C to me.
And forgive me for completely exaggerating the interest I had, but since I saw their one and only encounter in Heat so many years ago, it left me wanting something a whole lot more.
At around 7:30, we were given the usual spiel: the movie is not finished yet, the visual effects are not finalized, the soundtrack is a temporary version.
The movie opens with DeNiro in a hooded sweatshirt speaking into a camera saying that he has killed fourteen some-odd people. Someone sitting behind a desk says hold on, rewinds the tape, then lets the same line go by. As though we have learned something new about the same innocuous thing being said. Anyway, after some nonsense racial remarks and a brief diatribe on what the point of his righteous kills was (GET IT?!?), credits roll.
A sonic boom of rap music, Pacino and DeNiro shooting up a target range, and some of the most annoying credits I have ever seen. It gave me a headache and ruined my mood to see a good movie.
Fortunately - or unfortunately, as it turns out - there was no good movie to be seen, anyway.
The main plot of the film took its time to come around, as the story followed the two should-be-retired, gold-badge-having partners as they try to nab a drug dealer played by Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson, a subsequent shootout, the beating of Mr. Cent in handcuffs by Mr. DeNiro, and the fallout from an internal affairs investigation.
What does this have to do with the actual plot of the film? Nothing. I wish I had been in the post-survey Q&A, because me thinks I found a way to cut a good twenty to twenty-five minutes of driftwood.
I'm sure they were talking the opportunity to point out how close DePac are as partners and all, and how the De in DePac is a hothead and how the Pac is some fast and loose mastermind of sorts. But the way they decide to present it in a sort of long and drawn out way makes me immediately wonder if it is appropriate to ask for my money back from a free screening.
When they finally get to the scene of the first crime (a pimp named Rambo is shot, a card with a silly poem is left beside Rambo and the gun that killed him), there are so many jump cuts, smash cuts, voice overs, and do-overs, the headache would have become a full-blown aneurysm if I didn't attempt to give the meat of the movie a chance. I should mention that the victims are all bad people that fall through the cracks of the legal system in one way or another, so Pacino insists early on that it must be a cop (a great scene where no one in the room says it, but he flashes his badge to indicate what they're all already thinking).
Did I mention that DeNiro is apparently confessing to everything in detail during these video voice-overs? And they jump-cut, smash-cut, and whatever else they can do to keep the audience caring...DeNiro is on-screen, telling us what he "did" and making it painfully obvious that either a) the director got bored with himself during production and decided to sell out the entire reveal early on; or b) the director decided to bore the audience by making it painfully obvious that DeNiro is being forced to offer up this info and is therefore ruled out as the killer FIFTEEN FREAKING MINUTES INTO THE MOVIE.
This kind of cramps the style of the rest of the flick as everyone in it tries to pin the murders on him THE ENTIRE FREAKING TIME.
I will say the acting is fine. Usually, when you hear DeNiro or Pacino mentioned in a new movie these days, you worry about the wireless service they will be using to phone in their respective performances. But here, they do a fairly good job of trudging the dump of a story along. The dialogue is at time fantastic. The one shining moment in all of the Mr. Cent business is a quick quip by DePac about how the cartoon Underdog inspired an entire generation of drug addicts to pop pills. Very funny, very obvious these guys get along real well.
And the one main exchange between them and their chief Brian Dennehy reminded me of Lethal Weapon 4 in a good way.
Carla Gugino makes due as a forensic detective and sexual interest of DeNiro. I say sexual and not romantic because she's a bit of a freak in the movie. And while I find her character interesting to a point that goes way beyond her being delicious eye-candy, the script gives her the depth of a birdbath to work with. She wants it harder, she wants her hair pulled, she wants to hear about DeNiro beating Mr. Cent up, cue the oversized novelty paycheck.
John Leguizamo turns in a very refreshing performance playing Officer John Leguizamo. Oh, and Donnie Wahlberg's in it too. They play two junior detectives working with the very senior detectives who initially suspect DeNiro is the guy. They ascertain this by enlisting the help of the dime-store psychiatrist helping DePac cope with their Righteous Kill from earlier (GET IT?!?).
By the time the shitty twist plops on the screen, I imagined a visual effect of a big rubber stamp punching the words "WHO CARES?" on the screen in deep red ink, once they finish the effects.
I wrote in my survey that "even if I didn't see this ending coming - which I did, very early on - I would still think it was the most contrived and lazy thing you could have done with the story." There was some leeway where I could see them changing the ending and making me happy. But is it even worth it? They should recut the whole thing as a buddy-cop comedy along the lines of the aforementioned Weapon that is Lethal. The audience laughed enough throughout the flick to suggest that something like that was doable.
I'm guessing that if you like In the Cut, rap music, and don't mind that Al Pacino does not scream his head off, you'll probably like this movie.
I'm hoping that since we saw what was a step above an assembly cut at best, they will trim out the terrible jumps, the awkwardly placed and poorly paced v.o.s, and pick a genre and stick with it (is this a police procedural? is this a character study of the thin blue line? is this a culture-clash American Gangster-type deal? is this a sequel to the movie Showtime?)
I'm recommending you watch this only if it is on a premium movie channel a year or so from now and you have nothing at all better to do. I'm sensing that I have been a little harsh, but I was expecting a different (at the very least, good) movie.
Your Righteous Shill (Get It?!?),
Buftar
I wasnt sure what to think before the movie, only thing I knew about the director was the he did "Up close and Personal" and the "88 minutes" movie with Al Pacino. The screening was in Paramus, NJ. Here is a link to the pass... http://www.movietickets.com/pdf/righteouskill.pdf
My initial thoughts are this...there are parts I like, there are some character I don't like, and I feel with some more polishing / editing they can really make this film work.
Some basic story line is this.. Al Pacino (Turk) and Robert DeNiro (Rooster) have been parters for like 30 years. It seems that while they are good partners, their personalities are like night and day. (there is a very cool slipscreen "on the couch with the psychiatrist scenes) that shows this really well..
Anyway, without getting into too many spoilers.. Carla Gugino plays a CSU forensics cop named Karen who like rough sex (seriously) and is banging De Niro. She is probably the least developed/likable character in the whole movie. Brian Dennehy plays Turks & Roosters boss and is on screen for about 5 minutes. (about 3 minutes shorter then our boy "50 Cent"). 50 Plays a gangster named Spider who runs Club 404 out of a old bank.. this is were he launders his drug money.. there is a sub plot that involved a corp lawyer named Jessica, De Niro and Spider where they try to set Spider up on a drug sale.
Donnie Wahlberg and John Leguizamo play two detectives that are helping Turk and Rooster on a case that involves a serial killer who kills drug dealers, pimps, and what not (think Boondock Saints) and then leaves a poem. Donnie & John where by far my favorite characters in the movie, probably because they played them very well. The main plot device is this.. a drug dealing pimp get popped twice in the head, and someone leaves a note. It turns out that this happens like 5 more times - it is later discovered to have happened in the past but Turk and Rooster put the bad guy in jail (another subplot that involves a frame up of sorts)
I dont want to get too much into the plot, cause I'm not really sure what could be considered a spoiler, and what isnt.. but I can tell you what I felt worked and what didnt.
What worked:
- Al Pacino and De Niro were good together. Their characters are so different yet they worked very well
- Donnie and John Leguizamo were kick ass.
- Al Pacino, Donnie Walhberg and John Leguizamo have a very cool scene talking over a table (think HEAT)
- Al Pacino and Brian Debbehy have a similar scene.. it worked very well.
- The movie was unlike an other cop flick or a whodunit flick. I have to admit I was guessing til the end, and then I was still thinking "WTF just happened"
- I think the ending worked well.
- Loved the intro. Music was temporary, but it was great. (Pacino & Deniro shooting Mp5 & m16 and other big guns at a shooting range intercut with credits and some addition plot devices that I wont mention)
What i didnt like:
- Carla Gugino character seemed very 1 dimensional. She seemed like a waste.
- Movie was a little slow at a few points.. nothing that can be fixed with a trim or there
- Final scenes were confusing as hell, but thats because the audio was complete garbage..
- 50 Cent was on screen for about 5 minutes. (a he gets 3rd billing?) - 3 minutes at the beggining. 2 in the end.
Overall, I enjoyed it. And they have my $9.50 when it comes out later this year so I can see just how much they changed.
I got to stay for the focus group, and the guy running it was a complete jerk off, but that is beside the fact. The main question was did we like the ending. I think 20 people out of like 24 said they did.
As for everyone other then the focus group, there was some clapping at the end, but nothing like "SUPER AWESOME".. the guy sitting next to my friend fell asleep, so I guess not everyone enjoyed.
Oh, and the guy running the focus group said the director was there somewhere in the bad.. but I had no idea what Jon Avnet looked like so I couldn't confirm..
If you decide to use this, call me Gruby.
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will see this
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sucks
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meh.
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Not really but it was going to be said.
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I especially liked " imagined a visual effect of a big rubber stamp punching the words "WHO CARES?" on the screen in deep red ink"
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Maybe they'll tighten it up a bit and get rid of the pounding music?
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Me and that picture have had some good times together. Ah, memories...
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"loved the intro!" "they have my $9.50!"can't get any more blatant than that.
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As much as I like the two leads, or, more accurately, likED, I'll not see a movie that only exists to capitalize on the success of Heat, a completely different film made by completely different people.
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really...
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At least estevez has some charisma and wasn't dumb enough to put on clown makeup...Also, Estevez was at least able to carry Young Guns. You put Leguizamo in that role and you're liable to throw food at the tv set.
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These actors are so much fun but the chance of them appearing in well-written material, and appearing in well-written and directed material together, again, is low.
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Maybe affirmative action or something?
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wa-hoo.
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was there ever two more talented actors who let their careers turn to shit?
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I forgot about The Insider. But you know what i'm getting at.
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in my opinion.
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He's been sleepwalking through roles since. Some bad choices, and some bad acting since. It's a shame because we love Bob, but he need to reignite the fire.
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since. Quite the opposite of say, Clint, who's later roles were fantastic and fit him well.
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And does Gugino get naked?
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They have imposing personalities and were in some of the best movies made in the last 40 years but they really pretty much only play themselves. Same goes for Nicholson and Eastwood. I like them, don't get me wrong but they're not exactly chameleons.
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a fucking owl?
no, Rooster!
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Why does holliwood feel the need to continuely cram hip hop trash down our throats??? There are many fine black actors not getting jobs because some cokehead Eastern European Eurotrash producers in hollywood feel the need to saturate otherwise decent films with rap stars. Douche bags !!! Enough with the hip hop music video movies. Please just go the fuck away. Thank god for Johnnie To
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Feb 29, 2008 12:14:28 PM CST
John Leguizamo turns in a very refreshing performance playing Of
by skimn
...nice...
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I really hope you are foreign, or at the very least that English is your second language, because that review read like a blind retard. This is why focus groups for movies don't work - we have people like this voicing their misspelled opinions.
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equals solid gold. i don't care about any other aspect of the film. not one. just having those three having a possible scene together is too good to pass up.
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bob n' al. 'nuff said. bob n' f'n al. i need some tissues.
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DePac OR Cugino/De Niro sex.
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Is that even possible? Actually, Rambo was pretty good.
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Where's the red band trailer for this movie?
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Fuck all that. I'm going to see this first chance I get. They could remake My Dinner With Andre and it'd kick more ass than 90% of what's out there. Please post next time there is a screening.
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You can't say these two don't have some range. Watch The Devil's Advocate back-to-back with Donny Brasco, then watch Cape Fear back-to-back with The Score. Hell, then watch Heat again. I think I just planned out my own Sunday!
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What happened to these guys? Pacino and DeNiro should still be kicking our collective ass. Instead, we're getting "Hide and Seek" and "Simone" Pacino was good, though, in "Insomnia."
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Did Uwe Boll direct this?
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You were CAWLIN' her, 'cuz she's got a...GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT ASS! And your head was ALL THE WAY UP IT!
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At this point Dennehy has more prestige than than Pacino and De Niro. They seem to have followed the Michael Caine plan.
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he shook the screen in that era, not even DeNiro could reach that level as Scorsese eaked out a worthwile performance from him in Taxi Driver and Raging Bull
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And apparantly the set designer or something went to her pilates class a few times. She told my aunt the script was absolutely horrendous and the film was terrible, basically a fucking joke. I don't know how many of you watch MTV ('cause I don't) but apparently someone named 'Big Black' from one of their shows plays a skateboarding pimp or something. I can see it now: The fucking commercials playing on Mtv showcasing 50 and 'Big Black,' and all the punk assholes saying "yo this looks mad good like heat but better 'cause they in it." basically she said DePac would only take these roles because they wanted to have fun shooting a shitty movie together.
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Feb 29, 2008 5:31:38 PM CST
IMO, credit to one-note performers should go to casting agents,
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not the actors. Gotta hamburger some sacred cows here, considering many award-winning actors, all the way from John Wayne to Cuba Gooding (Jerry Maguire Oscar), are just the casting powers-that-be fitting a personality to a role. The actors I respect the most gotta have range (e.g., Russell Crowe in The Insider and Gladiator, or Denzel Washington in Training Day and Malcolm X, or Tom Hanks in Philadelphia and Saving Private Ryan).
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I agree, look at Christian Bale for example.
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He is America's answer to Otm Shank.
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Don't get me wrong I love my fellow paisano's (Pacino + De Niro)but from the sneak previews of this film that have leaked to youtube it looks like just another stupid cops and robbers movie. It looks like an NBC movie of the week circa 1978. These two legends can come up with something better than just another cop movie. They should have done a gangster movie.
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Feb 29, 2008 6:56:27 PM CST
I worked on this film and it definitely
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fucking stinks. The first review is bang on the money. Not to mention the main guys are called Rooster and Turk. No joke. Jon Avnet fucking sucks.
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you were in CT right? I remember them making a big deal about the filming, but I wasn't awaring of shooting anywhere else.
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Feb 29, 2008 7:07:10 PM CST
No, all shot in CT to make it look like NY.
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Lots of CGI used for window mapping and such. The film is awful and I feel bad for all the cool guys involved. It's really disheartening but a job's a job.
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Was everyone aware of what a piece of shit it was, and just did their jobs (including actors, director etc.) or were some people thinking this was gonna be a great one? Like, did the director think he was Michael Mann?
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But not everyone had the script and many scenes were improvised (the gun range) but it has good actors doing their best. The director is just not right for this material and he cannot write for shit and he insisted on rewriting the script. It's just boring and so, so many scenes with characters talking on phones. Hilarious.
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Where's the fucking F/X sequel?? Or the Cocoon remake with him as one of the old geezers?
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The GREAT ASS scene in Heat is the greatest in the history of movies.
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The roles they take now are chump roles and lack any substance because they don't care anymore.
I've not seen a good Deniro or Pachino movie since the time of Goodfellas back in the 90s. That was Deniros last movie that was decent. As far as Pachino goes it's Carltio's Way. Everything else since then, including HEAT has been shit. -
Sounds like a CBS Sunday night movie.
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didn't proof read before I hit post.
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A movie ticket well spent!
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Let me guess, they spent all their casting money on de Niro and Pacino? This movie sounds craptastic.
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De Niro and Pacino both have fairly abysmal track records over the last twenty years, but I'm clearly not alone in the desire to see these two (former?) legends on screen together in something great. I don't know the backstory of the project so I'm speaking out of my ass, but how the hell do you let a guy who's never directed a good movie (to be fair, plenty of middle-aged women might argue that Fried Green Tomatoes was great) direct a good script (it was a good script) with these two guys starring in it? Surely, there had to have been a few exciting directors interested. This could have been something memorable, but instead it sounds -- not surprisingly -- to be very ho hum. What a shame.
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Typical Hollywood.
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Yes, the cast was great. But the script itself was long and meandering.
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I respect you having viewpoint but that doesn't take away from enjoyment when I pop that mofo into the dvd player.
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My ticket is bought! Next to Rescue Me and MacGyver, Boomtown has to be my favorite show ever.
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Really, who believes this chick. De Niro should be fucking Kathy Bates in the movie.
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It's a slap in Heat's face, if you ask. Goddammit, I love Heat. And part of what made it so special, was that it was the only film where you could see Pacino and De Niro share a screen. And sweet Lord, what an incredible two scenes they are. Heat does justice to everything these two iconic actors represent. Righteous Kill looks like nothing but a cheap gimmick. It has 50Cent in it, for crying out loud! I'm just gonna go to my happy place and pretend this movie doesn't exist.
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I was at this screening. Good film with both leads in terrific form - not surprising from Pacino who usually does something terrific periodically - think about it haters : DONNIE BRASCO; THE INSIDER; CHINESE COFFEE; INSOMNIA; PEOPLE I KNOW; ANGELS IN AMERICA; MERCHANT OF VENICE.........but DeNiro seems back on track here too for the first time in a looooong time.
Their scenes together in this are great and hilarious in their back and forth banter.
Not a slap in the face to HEAT at all, or in any way - I really hate people who want everything to be "perfect" - that was their only movie together blah blah blah. HEAT wouldn't be diminished in any respect regardless of what they did after.
Anyway......it's good. It's a formula film but well done and well played. Fans of these two Gods are going to love the film; the rest of you can go to the latest CGI crapfest instead. -
...that can happen to this movie is that it's average...average sucks. I'd rather it's just plain bad so I can hate it with a vengeance.
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Fluffer.
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I JUST HAD COFFEE WITH MCCAULEY A HALF-HOUR AGO!!
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A total fucking mess of a procedural / personal drama / twisty twist / buddy comedy / crime epic / vigilante / and probably a few other genres that the reviewers didn't mention.Maybe the Cloverfield monster shows up too.
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Not a personal drama, not a buddy comedy, not a crime epic - it's a straight action-mystery with the humor coming in the Pacino-DeNiro vulgarities laden dialog.....it's a good film, and Pacino and DeNiro are in really good form. Will get better with some edits and tightening up - relax people, you're going to dig it; I'm telling - it tested well too.
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The plants are all starting to come in. -
It would've made a better movie!
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To the plants: "Don't waste my MOTHERFUCKIN' TIME!"
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.....keeps you sharp, on the edge, where you gotta be.
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Sucked ; hated it; everything sucks; they're old; sucked; Cloverfield; PLANT!!!!!! Where these guys ever good? Who needs great actors anyway? CGI is better than De Niro and Pacino......Rap sux. Everything sux. Whattya mean it's good? PLANT !!! FIRST !!!
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I don't think it's unreasonable to have doubts about this movie's quality. There are some pretty bad track records at play here. I'm not saying you're wrong, maybe I'll love this movie, maybe it's the new Seven or the new Heat but I know you've seen these types of crime dramas go all wrong before and calling the cautious doubters "idiots" isn't really polite.
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I was trying to convey that negative comments feed on this board and anything positive is treated with scoffs of PLANT; it's more than just "cautious doubters", it's incredulous non-believers; I mean both of the reviews said the performances were good, and even the negative one can be read as something that would satisfy those looking for a straight genre piece .....But nevertheless, some of the posts on here are pretty baffling - Pacino hasn't done anything good in 20 years when Merchant of Venice was just 3 years ago....where's the memories of people who are posting?.....Anyway, based on the film I saw in Paramus, it is not another HEAT or another SE7EN......it's a pretty good, tough, entertaining film (or can easily be shaped into one), and will satisfy fans of the 2 leads. It's not great Art, but it delivers on the basic level.
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C'mon. It's Pacino, right? Ooooo, what a twist.
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It does bug me that people assume anybody who says anything positive is being paid to. I mean c'mon, I have lots of friends who have terrible taste in movies and I know they're not being paid to say they thought Transformers or Van Helsing or whatever was good. In fact, most of the top grossing movies of any given week are lousy, do these talkbackers think it's that unlikely that somebody with bad taste could write a positive movie revue and email it to Harry?Again, I'm not saying this movie is bad because I haven't seen it. I'm just saying that even if it is terrible, you don't have to pay people to like it, somebody will like it for free.
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The Killer...? It ends up being Pacino? Dennehy? Or is it really DeNiro like it states from the beginning, but the twist is something else?
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...........which was just posted
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now that I know Mr. 50 is only in it for 5 minutes, I think I might be able to make it through. I also have to once again stand up for John Leguizamo. I think he's a really good actor. Carlito's Way, Empire, Summer of Sam, I think he did really well in those movies.
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