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JUSTICE LEAGUE Is On The March!!
Merrick here...
George Miller's JUSTICE LEAGUE movie is officially back on track, and is now careening towards a 2009 release.
There'd been a bit of speculation that the plug could be pulled on the project for a multitude of reasons. Turns out, the film was merely put on hold during the recent writers strike to allow scripters Kieran and Michele Mulroney to finesse the screenplay once the walkout ended. And, I hear it needed/needs some finessing.
Seems the previoulsy announced cast is still in tact as well.
Adam Brody, cast as the Flash, is the biggest star in the superhero lineup. Rapper Common nabbed the Green Lantern role; other roles went to lesser-known thesps such as Armie Hammer Jr. (Batman) and Megan Gale (Wonder Woman).
...says THIS ARTICLE in Variety.
So, there you have it. For better or worse, come what may.
Take a breath and buckle in....'cause here we go.
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But people at AICN seems to be excited about it..?
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Yowza.
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why does warners hate us?
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This is very, very worrying. Fucking Adam Brody as the fucking Flash...
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I love his baking soda.
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test tube baby!
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Navie, Airfors, and Maureen.
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Armie was born in 1986?!? Fuck. Just a pipsqueak when Burton's Batflick was released.
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Or, as I call her, "Mmmmmmmegan."
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That's almost as much a matricide-inducing moniker as Coco Crisp.
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Girl, you know it's true.
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Sounds like a job for the Justice Le-- shit.
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It's a huge risk making this kinda movie. If it doesn't work then I'm pretty sure it will kill all the franchises in one go. Forget Batman, forget Wonder Woman, Flash etc. This could be the Schumaker of all movies...!
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When I heard that I was fine with it. A true JLA origin story with Wonder WOman, Lantern, Flash, Manhunter...I can deal with a young cast in that. although if this Green Lantern movie is going forward with Hal Jordan then why is Common playing John Stewart? seems confusing.
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Calm the hell down people.
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This is simply a reaction from DC/Warner now that Marvel has torn up the silver screen. It's gonna suck. And WTF... What's with dissing Hal Jordan?! I think Common will be an interesting John Stewart...but only if they give him a gun...
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A piece of shit. I hope it BOMBS and DC never makes another hero movie again, except for Bats.
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"what?!""so whatchu gon' do about dat, hammer!""i'm gon' turn this mutha out!"
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Dumb and dumberer anyone?
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It's shaping up that way. Who's going to play Retired Man?
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Feb 27, 2008 11:20:42 AM CST
Might as well try to work Booster Gold into this mess...
by darth sticky
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[/Don Orsillo]
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Let this shit die in a whole and then cover it up with dirt, please....this thing is going to suck so bad....damn why the fuck does shit like this have to happen?
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Okay I might as well state here my aversion to rappers being cast in every damn thing. He seems to be the go to rapper-turned-actor right now and he's no worse or better than any other. But I'd just like to know when the actor shortage happened. This trend is really sickening, imo.
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Road Warrior, classic and Happy Feet was a lot of fun. Didn't he do Witches of Eastwick? Dude has some skills and I think he can turn this around into something worthy for us geeks to enjoy. I'm curious how this will all turn out.
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I like the Stewart Green Lantern, but how come the most iconic version of the character keeps getting screwed? Is it a race thing?
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Wet shit.
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My fellow geeks! Miller has made many goo films - his last great film was nearly 25 yrs ago. Miller is the Australian Zemeckis - he is more interested these days in CGI/Mo-cap/animation etc than actual performances. You know you are in trouble, when the biggest star in your movie is Adam Brody.
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sorry spelling error, I meant "good" films.
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Come on talkbackers don't fail me now!
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Hmmm...I've never seen him in anything. But a John Stewart Lantern fits with the cartoon. So...Fuck. This is going to be fucking lame as shit, I'm calling it right the fuck now. It sounds like twenty miles of Ass Highway. The script needed more work? How about from fucking DAY ONE CONCEPT needs work? Is this just WB trying to get their own 'buzz' like Avengers has? Fuck, give it up. Give it all the way up.
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...needs to die permanently.
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...giving all the members of The Avengers their own feature-length "origin" movie, and then "sequeling" them into an Avengers movie! It'll probably be a little lame, but CRIPES, it turns characters you know into a team you can get into! DC is fucking this up. As I stated above - COMPLETELY REACTIONARY!
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Feb 27, 2008 11:45:05 AM CST
Sucks, but I hope they at least get the Batman costume right for
by riskebiz
One thing Nolan still hasn't got right is that dang costume. It looks worse than ever. I hope they get closer to the comic book version. It seemed Nolan was going in that direction, but than did a 180 with the Dark Knight. I hope at least George Miller can get the costume right .... because if he does: It will be ONLY thing he gets right in this film!!!!!!
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i dont like to hate before i see anything come out about the film, however this dosent sound for lack of a better word good. i hope they can pull it off but any cast that has adam brody as the headliner dosent sound appealing. i hope its not a batman and robin for dc
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This movie is so going to blow.
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...is an awesome director, but I don't know how much power he has over casting decisions for this movie. This cast sucks!! Even if it's a good script well-made, it's still going to have all these fucking tykes in it. Army Hammer looks like he should be the dream boat in some Hilary Duff movie or something. And I thought they'd decided to leave Batman out of this anyway (Superman was already fucked up by Brian Singer, so I don't give a shit what they do with him in this). The world's turning into fucking Logan's Run, and I'm on the run from the Sandmen.
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You are right about that...it's Hollywood's strange inbred desire to have the latest 'whatever' picture out there...That's why we got Volcano and Dante's Peak...fucking Armageddon and Deep Impact..Shit...Only one of those 'whatever' usually is successful. No lie, you put the guys who play Hulk and Iron Man in the same picture along with Sam Jackson as Nick Fury?!Good Lord, that will fucking rule because it's great.You put these WB-drama asshole kids in the iconic roles of superheroes, and you're going to get a shitty movie. SHITTY MOVIE IDEA.In the conspiracy portion of my heart, I think it's a Hollywood producer who has a fucking boner for KILLING superhero pictures, so he pulls a fucking 'Kid Stays In the Picture' and produces a 'Popeye' of a superhero movie. Fuck this pile of shit.
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Surely they realize that there are other black people out there, some of which are actually trained actors!
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Why are they doing this movie with an awful cast?
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Adrian Brody? Common? Wow, what a cast. This movie is going to suck some major donkey ballz!
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Gotta have your token black guy. As long as political correctness exists, I don't see how Hal Jordan is ever gonna headline one of these kind of things.
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EXACTLY! I saw Common in that "Smokin' Aces" piece of shit - and his name sez it all in regard to his acting ability... any COMMON black man could have played his role, but probably with more chutzpah and badassery. His character in that movie felt like a former rapper trying to be a smoove thug/hitman. Hopefully his ring does the talking in this piece of shit JLA ripoff...
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God help us.
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...because they don't have an expensive cast. This is similar to the first x-men casting, but there they at least had Patrick Stewart and Ian McClellen. I think Megan Gale looks great for the part, and am fine with Common and Adam Brody (would have loved Ryan Reynolds, but otherwise it's alright). It's the Batman/Superman casting that's killing this for me. I wish they'd either write them out of it or at least use Routh or Welling.
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Feb 27, 2008 12:15:50 PM CST
Yay, let's cast a nerdy, nasally-voiced dweeb like Adam Brody...
by spyguy
...for Wally West, the fucking Fastest Man Alive. Why not just give him that shitty spandex Flash costume from the cheesy JUSTICE LEAGUE TV pilot while you're at it?
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Feb 27, 2008 12:17:31 PM CST
Why Would Someone Want to Kill Superhero Movies?
by micturatingbenjamin
Okay, Hollywood, as I understand it, works like this: Guys with pornographic amounts of money, making entertainment by paying auteurs to create the films for their studios.The people with the money like a return, sure, but they're not just fuckers with cash, they have opinions...so when you put one of these fucking dingalings in charge of something that has a built in fanbase without any knowledge of the product, or WORSE, a bias for a certain type of thing within that product, you get things like the fucking giant spider in Wild Wild West.When you're the douche that gets his nuts cracked over the giant spider thing, and the buzz is that you're a kookaburra with a fucking hard-on for giant spiders, and your 'brilliant' giant spider idea gets lambasted and delivers a steamy pile of cinema like WWW, you'd probably get fucking pissed off with the people who make fun of your shitty ideas. Hence, killing off superhero movies.Now, it's either deliberate...one of the money fucks with a hard-on for killing off the genre that made them look like a toolbox...or it's just the fucking hardheaded stubbornness of the out of touch fuckbag who thinks they know what the people want.If they truly listened to the 'people' they'd see that this Justice League Movie is a BAD FUCKING IDEA...The fact that they're using the guy who's more famous for Babe than Mad Max just says that they know that they've got themselves a gelded fucking 'maverick' director, a guy who KNOWS what side of the creative bread his butter's on. So, expect this shit to be shitty, bad, bad, bad, a BAD CW Made for Television Superhero Movie starring fuckpants 'Young Television Hollywood Types'. Why would they want to kill these flicks off? Who the fuck knows? These are the same people responsible for the coke boom in the 80s and things like Glitter.
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First The Punisher, then Captain America and now this -- it should make for a fantastic trifecta of superhero crap. Or, in the words of a couple of former members of my favorite League era:BWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!What scares me is they'll probably try and take the humor of the Giffen League and try to smush it into this film to make it hip. Instead, it'll be tragic. $10 says the Manhunter eats Oreos and Batman gets busted on for being grim.
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I'm very tired of hearing these words together:JLA / George Miller / Adam Brody / Common
I mean really... Happy Feet, The OC, and Common. The Mulroney couple has written NOTHING (according tro IMDB). They want the League to expell Batman, and Superman to be dead.
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Well at least he's too legit. Too legit to quit.
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Armie Hammatime!!!
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I understand the producers must make a return on their investment. And what better way to do that than create a GREAT film.
"Justice League" could be the best superhero film since 'Batman Begins', If only they pulled their heads out and started paying attention to Bruce Timm and Paul Dini.
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That some exec at Fox hated the series and wanted to kill it which is why we got X3. Although it was really bad it made money and now the series still isn't dead. I don't know if it's true, I don't get it but that's what I remember hearing once.
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I am rarely one for cussing in my posts but fuck you WB. Note: If this film is as shit as I expect it to be, don't fucking let them get away with it. Do not say crap things like - oh, it's a "fun" movie or else we will get a sequel like FF2. Personally, in 2006, I warned folks about X3, we were right - I'll be doing it again for JL from day one unless some serious changes are made.
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...I am hoping bigtime that this is an incredible film that sets a new standard for superhero movies.
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but I have a good feeling about this... and that feeling is called George Miller.
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Then I want a Black Panther movie starring William H. Macy. 'Nuff said.
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The Greatest Characters of the DC universe, in a rushed film, written by 2 people with no cred, directed by the guy who did his last 'good' action movie 23 years ago, and starring Adam Brody and Common.
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But at least they didn't get Fred Durst to direct it.
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...you can hope in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first. Mark my words... people will pay $10.00 to see this piece of shit, but it will still remain a piece of shit. Siegel, Shuster, Kane and the rest of the ink 'n paper godfathers are spinning in their fucking graves right now.
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I hope its good too. But they would have to change A LOT of things to convince me. Do you look at this and see a good film at the end of the rainbow? I see a pot of shit.
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This turd is going to blow hard.
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a BIG pot of shit
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But then again they thought dragging Batman back to camp and making a film called Catwoman without Catwoman actually being in it were good ideas. Since Superman Returns only made $20m more than Batman Begins, don't they realise that perhaps with Lois & Clark and Smallville, the novelty of a new Superman movie wasn't such a big deal to more casual viewers. Having yet another guy as Supes will just compound the oversaturation problem. And unlike Superman, Batman has always been played by an established actor, so why cast a young nobody in the role?
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Feb 27, 2008 12:49:33 PM CST
To quote the great Eli Wallach in "The Magnificent Seven" . . .
by skidmarkedundies
"Stupid. Stupid."
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Other than the cherry vomit scene and John Williams score, it was preaty forgetable. I'll take two other 70's movie icons turned devil movies: Angel Heart with De Niro (Good Movie) and The Devil's Advocate with Pacino(Good over the top Pacino cheese fest).
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He directed Troy, which had a complex story, with 7 main characters, and there were no talking pigs or dancing penguins in it.
Achilles/Hector/Paris/Briseis/
Odysseus/Agamamnon/Menelaus
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Batman/Superman/Flash/WW
Lantern/Darkseid/Luthor
Wolfgang Petersen please.
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He's supposed to make the next Superman, just start the Justice League there.
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I fear another X3.
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I fear another X3.
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Yikes, how fucking scary.
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...is already writing his stellar review of this film, while jangling harry's balls in his palm.
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Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we GO!!!!
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He's a solid Superman and would, at the very least, anchor this picture to something resembling class.
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What gives? I am assuming that there was a black GL at some point in the comics? How goofy. And why a "rapper"? Why not an actual ACTOR?! Fuck...this movie is going to suck donkey balls big time anyways so...
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Thank you, I snorted so loud at your suggestion for a villain my office stared at me and I had to try and explain what was so funny. Didn't go well, I might add.
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A lot of good points made here. I have faith in Miller (I think), but not in this movie. I hope I'm wrong, but it just doesnt seem right. Its a rushed, 'lets do it quick and crank it out while we can' sort of movie which is a shame b/c JL is the last thing you want to do half hearted. The JL is a big animal to take on, its hard to do it right in books, cartoons, etc. sometimes, let alone jamming in a shit load of history and material in a 2 hr movie. Also just like every genre thats making money the studios are gonna milk it till its dry, and of course thats comicbook/superhero movies. Some good ones get made here and there, and a whole lot of bad ones are made the rest of the time. The whole vibe on this project isnt good, thats all I can say.
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...how long was The New Frontier in production for? Anyone know? Because they're talking about putting a live-action super-hero movie with multiple characters, arcs and plot-lines on the screen in less than 18 months. Hell, Cameron wrapped Avatar and it's not due for another 2 years because of the effects. Whoa...Sorry, attack of common sense. I'll get over it.
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How does "gangsta rapping" constitute acting talent? Why does Hollywood continuously cast these people? I drew the line when Busta Rhymes had a starring role in Halloween Resurrection. Raisin in the Sun with "Puff Daddy" was pure crap. Rappers can't act!
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Feb 27, 2008 1:37:04 PM CST
I wonder how good this will make the JLA tv pilot look?
by pops freshemeyer
Seriously, this sounds pretty lame.
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Watch his vid with Lily Allen. He is John Stewart. He is not a gangsta rapper and he has some acting talent. But I do agree, he is not someone who should be playing a comicm icon based in what he has shown us so far. Can someone tell me what a 65 year old gentleman is doing directing a film about superheroes at the forefront of pop-culture today? I have a sneaking feeling Miller has no clue about the back-history of these characters. It worked for Nolan partly because he had Goyer to guide him. Miller has the Mulroneys - I rest my case. Only madness will make someone cast a 21 year old as Batman and Adam fucking Brody as Wally West. Save us Dini and Timm!!
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I can't believe how much hate I have in my heart for this project. Some people couldn't give 2 shts about JLA (I don't understand why they read/post on this TB if they don't care, but the ALWAYS do), but I really like this stuff. It's modern-day mythology, with Gods (Superman, Manhunter), Godesses (WW), Demi-Gods (Flash, GL), and mortals (Batman). They join forces to save the world from invaders, or a plague, or a ruthless megalomaniac. They have trouble working together because they're so different, but they do it anyway because they believe in protecting people.
So far all the news I've heard about this project has done nothing but disappoint me. And it is actually making me sad. Its like someone wants to do a TV show of "The Godfather" with Richard Simmons, Ryan Seacrest, and Kanye West. THATS how ridiculous this sounds to me, and thats why I'm sad.
If the only JLA you know is Superfriends, please read Alex Ross ('Justice' 'Kingdom Come'). If you don't understand the appeal after reading those great stories, seeing that fantastic artwork, then I hope you enjoy your 2hr JLA music video, because no one else will. -
Aside from maybe Wolverine and definitely Avatar, GI Joe, T4, Justice League will all be rush-jobs. We geeks are totally gonna get it in the ass. Thanks, Hollywood.
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Richard Simmons is actually the toughest guy out of that line-up.
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I have fond memories of watching Superfriends in the wee hours of the morning every Saturday as a kid. When I recently caught an episode on the Cartoon Network, I could tell that show was clearly made in another era, one less cynical. Even modern animated superhero shows aimed at younger audiences are darker and more foreboding than anything in the Superfriend universe. There's a sort of comforting innocence about Superfriends that most shows (both live action and cartoons) lack nowadays. It brings back memories of a simpler time.
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Feb 27, 2008 1:59:00 PM CST
How will Armie Hammer stack up against Patrick Bateman?
by stinkyfingerz
Like complete shit, that's how. Can we somehow boycott this movie?? And if this fuck's with the chance of us seeing a Chris Nolan/Christian Bale third bat-flick, there will be blood.
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Marvel can't do animation to save their lives (unless it's on a video game into, at which point they'll actually sink money into it) while DC can only barely manage to make a decent live action film.
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There will be fucking blood...and guts and brains and spinal fluid.
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I don't know, maybe because they want the Justice League to be a little more representative of the actual populace? And, i don't know, perhaps it's because the most popular representation of the Justice league was an acclaimed cartoon which ran 5 seasons and had a black green lantern? And, i don't know, maybe it's because this black green lantern has been a comic character since 1971, probably older than most of the people bitching about it.
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I've got a nice, big close-up of "IRON MAN" as a wallpaper, here on my monitor (Thank you SuperHeroHype.com). It's a shot of what's sure to be the final armor/suit in the new IRON-MAN flick (I prefer the hyphened name, from comic book glory days). Anyway, the ONLY reason I wouldn't give the design a perfect "A+" is because some parts of the suit (shoulder pieces and upper portion of chest-plate) look a bit too plastic (at least, when dusty). But hey, this is movie magic at work (and still in progress)...so the possibility remains that there could be some CGI touches to add that reflective shine, which I remember from ol' shell-head back in the day. But then, maybe they're purposely pulling back from a shinny design...while there's plenty of design opportunity in any sequels that come. --As to "THE DARK KNIGHT", I'm very hopeful that Nolan has consistently shot Batman within at least SOME shadow and/or silhouette. Honestly, I don't like to dismiss the work of others. I really WANT these people to succeed. But I also want costume people to learn from what they've done...and I feel there has been a lack of common sense in terms of design (or..."costume sense", if you please). I shouldn't have to explain any rules of art to a professional costumer in Hollywood. But...when you apply two (or more) colors (or shades of a color) within a costume design,...the higher the contrast (between the colors or shades), the MORE these pieces are going to be visually separated. And I think I actually prefer the subtle nipples (which were obviously Roman soldier inspired) over what looks to be like a woman's bra. Sure, maybe I'm overstating it. Maybe this will be far less noticeable than I imagine (especially if filmed a certain way). And who knows? ...Maybe the design(s) will be touched up and "toned down" via CGI applications. --Basically, this process gets a lot easier when, in the end, you want the costume to look freakin' cool,...all the while being mostly faithful to both the character and what the director envisions for the film. Thank you for your attention.
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If it was set in the fifties. I'm just saying.
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Look the problem with John Stewart is this. If you make JLA GL as in the cartoon which was done despite what Timm says I feel for token purpose, it means that the odds on a Hal Jordan GL spin-off fall dramatically. I can just see the NAACP freaking out over the re-casting of a black hero. Unless they are both in it. Let us be clear, Hal Jordan is the greatest GL and between himself and Kyle Rayner have been the JL GLs in many more JL interpretations across different media thaN John Stewart. PS. i am black and am not fussed as long as the GL movie is about Hal Jordan.
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As if Armie Hammer Sr. didn't get enough shit. That's cold sir.
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And the Hal Jordan fans who are all emo because Hal isn't in the movie should be happy he won't be associated with this crap.
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I understand being worried about the young guy playing Batman, I understand being skeptical about the studio interfering with the director, this is all logical. But the more you guys insult George Miller the more it seems like you're just looking for things to get upset about. Yes, his most recent movies are kid's movies, but have you fucking SEEN them? He didn't do THE GAME PLAN or some shit, he did beautifully directed, visionary movies unlike any other that came before them. They happened to be about animals. This one will be the same but it will happen to be about weirdos in capes.
Did you see that crazy fucked up BABE movie he did? There's a scene where the pig gets chased by dogs, and I can't off the top of my head think of a chase scene since then that has been better constructed. I'm sure there are a bunch but tense action scenes like that are few and far between in this age of shakycams and Michael Bay editing. The crazy singing penguin movie also had some great chase scenes in it and some amazing imagery like the opening when the crowds of penguins march through the storm, that looked like something out of fuckin LORD OF THE RINGS. Believe me, I am a proud man, and I am not one to go for a singing penguin movie. But I tried it out on the strength of George Miller's track record and somehow the bastard made it work. If he can do that this one should be a layup.
What I'm saying is that you fellas are looking at the very surface (what the movie is about) and completely ignoring his actual skills as a director. It's like saying Steven Spielberg could never direct MUNICH because he had done like 3 sci-fi movies in a row. Peter Jackson? How could he do LORD OF THE RINGS, he's only done low budget horror movies. How could Alfonso Cuaron do a Henry Potter movie, he just did an NC-17, he's gonna accidentally make them fuck. Sam Raimi, he only does horror and baseball, he can't do Spiderman. Shit, how is it that you guys give John Favreau more credit as a director than George Miller? It looks like he's doing a good job, yeah, but why the benefit of the doubt with him and a fuckin gauntlet for Miller, who has a way longer, better track record that is more obviously applicable to doing a movie like this? I don't get it. Shit, you guys are nicer to the TRANSPORTER 2 guy! You're assuming the guy who did TRANSPORTER 2 will do a good job but want to murder George Miller! I mean I liked TRANSPORTER 2 actually, but you still gotta wonder what this world is coming to. Is this part of the war on old people? Should I be taking up arms like in DEATH WISH 3? -
Actually, not great, in fact- the complete opposite.Shouldn't WB be investing in a quality sequel to Superman Returns, or giving Nolan's vision of Batman room to breathe? It disgusts me to see the suits trying to cash in on their "hot properties", I'd probably feel differently if the people involved in the production were taking their time with it, caring about making something worthy of being filmed, but judging by how it's set for a 2009 release date (!!!), all signs of giving a fuck about quality are apparently out the window. I'm betting this movie will be something along the lines of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.Personally, I don't care. I was never all too interested in seeing a live action Justice League come into fruition, however, I WILL care if this piece of shit fucks up or gets in the way of Chris Nolan's (possible) sequel to The Dark Knight.
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who the hell is Henry Potter?
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Vern appearing.
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If this tanks; which I doubt, but tanking and sucking aren't the same thing, this could be the end for the DC movies. Mainly because Warners would never blame themselves for the mistake of doing an aweful job, they'll say that further use of the DC characters would be unprofitable. sigh. Give us a good cast, good story, direction, and writing and you'll make sooo much more money guys and god forbid you treat the material seriously. who knows you might make $500 Mill instead of $400. jeez. If it sucks but makes great money we're stuck with Justice OC, if sucks and fails horribly; no more movies about characters we love. Yeah, thanks for fuckin' us there WB. 'Preciate it.
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I admire your faith in George Miller and I agree Miller has made some good films and two great films. The problem is that as Variety have said this film is purely a tentpole movie. Release date first, movie second. That approach has never sat well with me particularly when we are looking at about a 12month turnaround. Secondly, for me, it wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ directed this movie, I haven't read the script but I'm not keen on Miller using a character, Bats that Nolan has rehabilitated and making a movie that has him playing around with demi-Gods in complete contrast to what has come before. It makes no sense. Thirdly, the casting is sorely lacking. I can take one-off kilter choice but Adam Brody, Armie Hammer and Common- hmm. Miller has clearly never read a Flash comic in his life. Maybe he will prove me wrong but say what you will but even a great director can be laid low by poor scripts and release date madness. Remember Tim Burton and Planet of the Apes. If this bombs, it reflects badly on all the heroes, Batman across the board. No spin-offs, reduced box office for Nolan's 3rd movie cos of Batman overkill. Write out Bats and Supes as well, and then Miller and I can talk. Till then, pah!
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How could Alfonso Cuaron do a Henry Potter movie, he just did an NC-17, he's gonna accidentally make them fuck.
Um, who the hell is Henry Potter?
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Feb 27, 2008 2:48:26 PM CST
Vern, I'm sure people were defending Schumacher before he made a
by stinkyfingerz
...and we all know how those masterpieces turned out. Here's hoping Miller put's nipples on all his superheroes suits. Now that would be a movie!
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I'm not bent out of shape over George Miller directing, it's more of a "what the hell is WB doing casting a bunch of kids as superheroes and rushing the job and twenty bucks says the DVD will be out two months after it is released theatrically and don't forget to buy the xbox 360 AND ps3 releases of the exclusively licensed video game because each version has different unlockable characters and levels not in the movie and don't forget to buy the ringtone and wallpaper for your iphone for $1.99 each (sold separately) and watch for the 9 minute preview that will play sometime during an episode of Smallville (starring a different-DIFFERENT actor as Superman, yes there are two other actors playing Superman in feature films at the moment, but you shouldn't care because WE don't, remember that Harrison Ford was Indiana Jones AND Han Solo, and those turned out okay), and forget about that Christian Bale guy as Batman for the 90-120 minutes we deem the second coming of the SuperHero Ensemble BlockBuster of the Ages, besides, he scowled and grimaced a lot and our version of Batman is more hip, less moody, more REAL."
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You're gonna have to qualify how Kyle Raynor has been in more JL interpretations than John Stewart. All i remember of Kyle Raynor in any other medium than comics was one Superman: the animated series episode. John Stewart was 1n 5 seasons of Justice league, and, not being the icon Batman and Superman are, had the opportunity to grow as a character in that cartoon. You mention the NAACP fraking out about recasting a black hero. First of all, Green lantern hasn't been recast as a black hero. Green Lantern IS a black hero, or to be more specific, ONE of the FIVE earth green Lanterns is John Stewart, who technically is the third GL of earth.
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People trust Favreau because he's a fan of Iron Man (and having Robert Downey Jr helped a lot). Nolan earned respect through his resume of dark, complex material (and having Goyer helped a lot). Miller hasn't shown any geek-love for the material, and none of his previous work looks or tastes anything close to JLA.
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It has everything to do with the fact that they cannot get ONE superhero right, let alone like seven. I don't doubt that there will be some interesting directing in this piece, I also don't doubt that the script will be total and utter crap. And in the case of superhero films, it's all in the script. Look at Spider man 3, Raimi's a very talented director, the script was crap so the movie was crap. Also you don't just piss away this many superheroes on one film, especially when said film has the distinct possibility of misrepresenting them. Because you know if it's successful, even if it's garbage, there will be spin offs of the lame Justice League versions of the characters. People are going to think that it's THIS FILMS versions of these heroes that people want. This film could have years of negative ramifications. I also have no doubt they will put Miller on a completely unfair time frame in which to complete a film of this scope. And you know man, I would rather see no Justice League movie at all then see a shitty Justice League movie. You can't ever trust a director to deliver on something that was a bad idea from the start and this has train wreck written all over it.
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Maybe Armie (!) can get Uncle Jan to provide the pulsing, synth-laden soundtrack.
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What a stupid idea to make this movie.
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They were superbly dark tales. Yeah some hated them but hey its got 61% on the rottentomatoes metre. All in all though, despite being a writer, producer and director, he hasnt done that many movies since he burst into the limelight with Mad Max.
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No interest in seeing this live action while the nolan-verse is still churning butter.
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As for the Hulk, at least Edward Norton has seemingly taken the reigns script wise, and I trust him as a smart individual who really seems to get the character, and as a brilliant actor will put character first. As for Iron Man, if George Miller was directing JUST an Iron Man film, I would be stoked. But he's directing a film with 7 times that many heroes in it, not to mention classic villains to juggle. It's just an impossible task and I don't think ANY director can handle it, at least not at this point in the evolution of the superhero genre, when Hollywood seems to have no idea how to get it right. Also the casting thus far has me very skeptical. Casting on these projects either works from the start or doesn't seem to work out at all. And let's face it the cast in a superhero pic means every bit as much as the director. I just cannot have faith in a genre that has let me down so consistently.
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With the way that George Miller approaches different stories from a directorial perspective,...it's almost as though he belongs at Pixar. And that's one hell of a compliment (if you ask me). But I think the doubt and the uncertainty mostly arrives from our lack of knowledge of the young actors, rather than having absolute faith in everything from George Miller. Let's face it, folks. Everyone here has favorite actors and actresses,...and their preferences for each character. So...I think that, at this point, with little knowledge of how this will eventually LOOK and FEEL on screen, without a true VIBE in how it will come together, we are just scared. However, I'm VERY confident that this is going to be something MUCH MORE than a "Fantastic 4" flick (that's a given). And I figure that Miller will surprise us. And being that these characters are so precious to us, we can't help but be afraid and feel some anxiety. But then, the way that I look at it,...is that Warner Bros. could do a HELL of a lot worse. So why don't we get this roller-coaster moving, shall we?
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Everybody is saying this and saying that without one clue on what's going on. Now, for the record, I must say that some the casting sets me uneasy, but I said that with the new Bond, and they proved us wrong (you know they did). So let's relax, and wait to the actors in their respected costumes before we start bitchin'.
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and thats saying something, because I fucking hate Smallville as much as I hate liver. So technically, I'd rather eat liver than see a Miller JLA
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Surely you jest. The outcome of this movie will, without a doubt, effect the development of solo movies for WW, Flash, and GL. If this thing tanks, it's taking 3 of DC's finest with it. Possibly Superman. Possibly Batman. Everytime a hero movie retards and dies, it takes fucking FOREVER for studios to put money into a reboot. Thats why 'wait and see' sounds a lot like 'give the baby a cigarette'
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Remember,...the story comes first.
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I said Kyle Rayner has been in more JL interpretations across different media than John Stewart. By that I am including comic book JL runs as well. Not just one tv show. From the early 90's i.e Parallax up until 2002ish, Rayner was the man. J. Stewart filled in for about 3-4yrs in comic book land before being unceremoniously booted out for Hal Jordan once JLU ended and Hal returned. And another thing, about the NAACP. It won't matter to them that GL is a title rather than one hero, all the public will see is a hero who was black in JL is now white in the spin-off - doesn't matter if the name is changed or hell, if the costume is different. You and I know better but perception is everything. Lastly, having seen JLU, it has to be said that for all GLs love-life drama, he remained a rather lifeless character - things seemed to happen around him rather than because of him. But I'd go as far as to say he showed no character growth but I digress - different strokes. In my ranking, John Stewart is the least interesting of the big 4 lanterns behind Gardner, Jordan and Rayner. Now Wally West, there's a character who did grow in the show.
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In this infinite universe it is possible that George Miller will shock all the haters and make the godfather of comic films.
by having John Stewart as the 1st GL on screen.
played by Common
am I talking too fast?
The first GL on screen,
Common.
Common
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The director. This just reeks of a box office disaster. Comic book fans my love the Justice League but the average movie goer is not going to buy this concept. They're going to say "We're supposed to believe that one year after you showed us a Batman movie starring Christian Bale, suddenly Batman is in this whole other storyline with other superheroes being played by a different actor?"
"Is it the same Batman? Where does it fall in the storyline with relation to The Dark Knight?"
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If you have no more appreciation for the source material or knowledge of it than you seem then just stop fucking posting about this stuff. Allow the fanboys to be pissed. We are. No matter how good the director is or used to be the cast is fucking terrible and that’s that. An artist can only get so many shades of brown out of shit, and when he’s done the painting still stinks.
This is the only comic movie I’ve seen where the fans don’t want it made, mainly because of the cast. WE DO NOT WANT ACTORS THIS YOUNG PLAYING THESE CHARACTERS and would rather have no movie than this movie, period.
And fanboys trust John Favreau, because from day one he did one important thing that WB has rarely ever done: he listened to what the fans wanted and understood how much we cared for the material, so hell yes the man gets more credit from me in this case than Miller. Look at what happened the last time we had a “great” director make a superhero flick we got Ang lee’s the fucking HULK. Miller is not the problem here Vern, bad blood with a studio and the feeling that not only are they not listening; they are doing their damnedest to do the exact opposite of what the material reflects and the fans want. That is the problem. Miller is just caught in the middle and is and will catch all kinds of hell for it. The fanboys track record with WB really only extends to enjoyment of one or two batman movies out of six and the first two supermen. Look what they’ve given us lately fucking superbastard Jason White in "Gee this’ll be just like Donner’s movie with the dead guy in the red cape," meaning that was NOT superman, just isn't cutting it. You can’t even see why we’re angry.
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If you were all arguing the finer points of superhero mythology or its place in cinema that'd be one thing. But you're all crossing your piss streams over Franchise Management, casting, timing, other future tentpoles, etc etc etc. Fucking pantywaist whiners, what the fuck... wetting yourselves... boo fucking hoo...
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Seriously, if Christian Bale thought this was going to be a decent film, he'd be keen to do it. And Warners should want him to do it. Same for Brandon Routh.
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I really just think short of an absolute miracle this thing is a clusterfuck of epic proportions waiting to explosively release all over the comic movie genre. We are ten years into these things, and the day of making these movies is going to fade over time. They need to be good to comtinue. A bad one especially a high profile bad one, hurts the chances of production for good ones.
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fuck off and go to CHUD if you don't want to read shit like this.
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Because once this film starts shooting all the idiots are gonna come out of the woodwork and proclaim that it will be excellent no matter what and anyone who doesn't dumb themselves down to the level of caveman to enjoy it is a "hater". But for now I'm liking that logic is taking center stage in a comic book film discussion for once.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Sure Miller's a fine director, but what does that matter when the tools he has to work with are deficient? The casting is atrocious and the director can only do so much. Personally I have no investment in this film, because I don't know much about the Justice League, but I do know that when a studio casts young “up-and-coming” actors in roles meant for older, more experienced actors, something isn't right.
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Echoing the calls to give him the benefit of the doubt until more comes in on this one. Lorenzo's Oil might have been nothing more than a movie-of-the-week wannabe, but he at least it look like a fucking detective thriller.
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My god.
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...to make a good movie. The script and casting are both sucky and they are going to rush the film through production. Blaming Miller for this is like blaming Ratner for X3. The studio is just going to make another shit movie because they know they will make millions of profits on it. If you paid to see X3 in any form, then you are part of the problem and why this crappy JLA movie is being made.
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...What classic villains??? They're using the whole stupid-ass Brother Eye/Omac thing from one of DC's seemingly endless "event" miniseries... they could not have sraped the barrel any lower. Yeah right... Batman, who in Nolan's films is based as much as possible in the "real world", even haven't pretty solid explanations for his equipment and weapons, suddenly in this mess is a completely different guy who was able, in his spare time mind you, to create a satellite that can spy on and defeat every superhero, is undetectable by any means, and can turn a good chunk of Eath's population into unstoppable cyborg warriors. And it's just a guess but I'll bet the Batcave suddenly looks like something moe along the lines of Schumacher's version too, fake hi-tech with neon all over everything like radioactive vomit.... just a guess, anyway. One more thing... the guy that put Daredevil in leather bondage gear is the guy in charge of designing all the costumes in this inevitable turd... AND... (shades of that godawful, unreleased JLA TV pilot)... they're casting a fat guy to play J'onn J'onzz!
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isn't Supe's and Batman not in it?
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... in my last post. But this misfire of epic proportions really pisses me off!
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...Common? Will they redesign his uniform as a Gap hoodie? Maybe instead of "GAP" embroidered on the back it can say "Mean 'n' Green" instead? Common!
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Can he come over and help me turn my car into a Batmobile?!?! What are some of his other opinions.
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We're going to have to agree to disgree on Johns growth in JLU. I mean in your opinion the Flash had more growth....really? John's been a character since 1971. Kyle came into being in the 90's. Kyle was only the only GL for a decade because it was editorially mandated as such. It's not like John disappeaered. Did we forget Darkstars? And you know what?, none of that comic minutae matters in the least anyway. The broad audience out there that don't read comics know GL from television. That Green Lantern is John Stewart. Just seems to me you have an axe to grind.
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Rests solely on the last chase scene in Road Warrior.
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...NONE of you know ANYTHING about this movie! This immediate hatred is the same immediate love that so many of you wankers gave to Transformers. Does this cast look less than good? YES. But does that mean ANYTHING yet? NO! Jesus Christ, be patient. Wait for a fuckin' screen shot....you tools just HATE or LOVE randomly. ARE YOU ROBOTS!?!?!?!
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For the morons claiming he hasn't made a good movie in 20 years, your idiots. That's it. Get past it.
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Sure some Miller cultists want to go on and on about how great he is, but really, his reputation rests solely on the last chase scene in Road Warrior. To most, that's the only good thing he's directed. I don't hate the guy, but really other than that last bit in Road Warrior, his filmography isn't very impressive. Sure he's not the worst director out there, but a lot of people probably feel the guy is out of touch with the material based on what has been reported thus far.
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Sorry, mate. But you are. No WAY was Wally West more developed in JLU than John Stewart! Did you watch a DIFFERENT JLU!?!? OHHH, you're a Guy Gardner fanboy! Well, now it ALL makes sense, Poozer.
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The news of the casting has been shite. I'mm not a Miller cultist by any means, but I DO believe that he hasn't made a bad movie yet (Thunderdome was close)...but you're flat out wrong about his filmography not being impressive (what's your standard?) Is Zack Snyder's filmography impressive? Are we comparing Miller to Ingmar Bergman!?!?My response is to the IMMEDIATE hate that this site just thrives on for small announcements such as this.
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Feb 27, 2008 4:04:21 PM CST
I still want a real fucking action packed Superman movie...
by judge briggs
that is why i am not down with this movie... damnit
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But I would say MM Beyond Thunderdome, The Witches of Eastwick and Happy Feet are awful films. I'd compare the guy to other directors from 1978-now, not Bergman, Kubrick, Hitchcock, or Jesus. I don't think the guy has done one movie that was good from beginning to end. Now by saying they aren't good, I'm not saying they're all crap (even though some are), I'm just saying that the ones that you might think are good (the Mad Max films) are to me, only decent, but nothing special. I think he gets propped up as a great filmmaker based on some peoples nostalgia for the Mad Max films, which to me are not the little miracles that some feel they are. For how few films he's put out, there just isn't that film or two that I'd say he's made that are classics. I'd say he's a less successful version Phillip Kaufman (because they both started around the same time, and haven't directed a whole lot of films). But at least Kaufman has some real gems in his filmography (Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, The Wanderers, The Right Stuff, The Unbearable Lightness of Being). I don't think Miller can say the same, not coming from someone who doesn't bow at the feet of the Mad Max trilogy. Like I said, my opinion. Obviously yours is different, I'm just letting you know where I'm coming from.
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Feb 27, 2008 4:09:58 PM CST
Anakin's diapers - I do have an axe to grind. And Brian's Life
by jtstyler
I'm not that bothered by John Stewart/ Rayner/ Jordan - My axes, if that is a word are:
1. Hal Jordan is GL and thus if a solo GL is going to be made, it should star him, race and Justice League film be damned.
2. JLU as a show has been for some time but the comic has Hal Jordan, the original GL as made by the creator of the concept back as part of the JLA AS HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN. Thus Miller is free to use whoever he pleases, I don't mind who he uses but I understand why Hal fans would be pissed. JLU is not canon, it is a show and the joy of GL is the freedom to use whover you please although the general population will probably not see it that way.
Oh and Brian's life, i am not a Gardner fanboy but GL's character despite the amount of drama around the character, he simply in that show did not engage the audience the way Wally West did. Tell me when Flash runs around the globe to smack Luthor/Braniac in Season 4 Flashpoint instead of running away as we would expect him to, the hairs on the back of your neck did not stand up? I do not think Stewart had an equivalent scene. Shayera Hal is another matter, she essentially did grow as a character and was engaging. There was a growing sense of maturity in Wally West through that show. But hey, we can all agree that the show kicked ass, right. -
There's no such thing as 'reverse racism'. Jesus.
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Gregory Novak. I'm coming for you.
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Fuck Guy Gardner! Fuck Kyle Raynor! Fuck John Stewart and Hal Jordan! This movie needs Kilowog all the way mother fuckers!!!
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Are they real?
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Arm and Hammer? Why?
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..And apparently JTStyler, this movie is supposed to be? How can you possibly use that as a basis for a rebuttal? As far as character growth, your example of Wally growing as a character is an action scene, an impressive one at that, but an action scene non the less. I'll not bother to list the epeisodes as long as my arm where john and his trials were either a subplot or central to the story, because you already know this. And hey, if we really want to be nick picky about following comic canon or bust, Alan Scott should be the first GL to hit the big screen.
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But regarding why the Flash scene was so powerful...I think it was precisely BECAUSE he was such an underdeveloped character. Up until that point Flash never had "a moment"
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...but yeah we just have to agree to disagree. I dig Miller for Happy Feet as much as I do for Mad Max. He makes movies that provoke thought. Just so YOU know where I'M coming from.
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Well, that just saved me $20. Thanks for the heads-up!
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When I heard that the WGA strike essentially "killed" this project, I was overjoyed.. now it seems we're all right back at square one.What will it take to convince WB about the suck factor of this god awful cinematic atrocity? Do they know something that we don't? Shouldn't it be obvious to them that they're fucking up in every possible way that there IS to fuck up?Isn't it awesome how the fate of superheroes in cinema fell upon the time it took for hollywood writers to sort their shit out?
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it's adam brody...not adrian, and adam actually works in my mind. It all comes down to who's writing this mutha
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On one hand I REALLY want to see a JLA movie. With todays effects the way they are, it could be amazing. And I am of the mind that superman and Batman only need to be hinted at in this film for it to work. Yes it would be great if Bale and Routh were in the roles, but that ain't gonna happen. It still could work rather amazingly if those two took a less prominent role in the first movie. On the other hand, aside from the director, everything else that has been decided smacks of the "F4-ization" of JLA. Kind of a "slap it together for a quick buck and if it rakes in the dough we'll make another to rake in more" type thing. We all must realise that the unfortunate success of F4 , did not go unnoticed by the powers that be at WB. And Marvel has them by the balls with all the movies they have slated and ready to go. WB must be thinking, if JLA goes well, they spin off all the movies from there...if not, they can pack up and go home for a while and not have invested 4 times the money in four seperate films...I don't agree, but I can see why they are doing it. I just want it to be ASS KICKING GOOD.
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Ive done quite a bit of work with Megs here in Aus with catwalk stuff... She's not only gorgeous, but a nice girl to boot - Her scoring this role couldn't have happened to a better person...
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Haha! Look at the nose!!
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it killed it. or delayed it at least, even long enough for The Dark Knight which would make sure that another version of Batman at the same time would be incredibly stupid.
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What are you a 14 year old girl?
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Kieran and Michele (one L) Mulroney are a husband and wife. Kieran is an actor who has done TV and some movies and is Dermot Mulroney's brother. He has no experience writing (according to IMDB) Michele (one L) has one writing credit; some film called "Sunny and Share Love You". She has no work prior to last year.
These are the ones writing the JLA script.
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I think the guy's lost his touch for edgy action flicks. I too saw Babe and Babe 2. He's mellowed, and I'm not afraid to say that.That said, WB are looking for a kiddie movie guy to make a WB Kids version of the JLA, with kids playing the parts, to boot. So here's my analogy.If I tell you Emeril Lagasse is going to make me a pie, and his ingredients are clotted vaginal blood, rotting zombie flesh, sweat from a buffalo's balls, and parsley, I'm not really excited about the pie he's gonna bake up for me. My greatest worry is that the guys holding the purse strings are going to fuck about with the flick script changes for licensing rights and toy ideas, and Miller's just the guy to say 'Whatever you say, fellas, I'm not emotionally invested in the characters or the property, do whatever the hell you want with it!'.He's not the creator, nor does he seem to give a fuck what's up with these characters, as evinced by the hiring of fucking COMMON to be John Stewart, and the two kids he's got for Flash and fucking kids he's gonna hire for Batman...fuck this vaginal blood pie right in its ass. Sorry, I have no faith in this....I'm moving for a vote of no confidence. Just like Amidala. :)
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Wow this will be such utter shit. Like there's no one better qualified to write a JLA movie? Like, say, someone who writes FUCKING COMIC BOOKS!??!
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Smells like WB wants to start the WW, Flash, and GL franchises all at the same time, see which character is most popular, thenmake the spinoff for more cash.
Terrible.
If they want to fit all these characters in, I'd be down for "Pulp Fiction" narrative, with each of the heroes in separate stories that intertwine somehow. No Batman, no Superman, no League, not yet.
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seeing a studio choose to take it's time, instead of rushing headlong into damnation from a place of fear, is a very good sign that they may have something, and that the managers know what they are doing. One option would have been to poop this out and have somehting in the strike vaccuum to release, to show the stockholders that the company is making the best of a bad situation. Instead they bided their time, held on, and waited until they could get the right people involved. I'm not a Justice League advocate - actually, this is the first piece of news that leads me to believe this may be something cool.
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No matter how much faith you put in Miller...we're still yet to see an utterly convincing, engaging superhero movie..and if anything, despite the slightly better X-Men and Batman attempts, all they do is set a precedent that nobody...particularly with a cast and plot unrelated to the still fairly fresh other franchises..can overcome.
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what the fuck? You just described the exact opposite of this project. You fucking idiot. Waited? You mean rushing in post strike to make a movie that could derail Nolan's incredible franchise? You call that waiting? And the right people involved? A supermodel with no acting experience as Wonder Woman, a rapper and not even a good one as Green Lantern, a dude from the oc who plays the same fucking character in everything he does as the flash and a 21 yr old nancy as fucking Batman. You sir are a cunt.
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Yeah, and I throw up after every meal... Way to stereotype, wanker.
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Most people think batman begins was a convincing and engaging superhero movie. actually it wasn't. because it was more like a drama about a dude who dresses like a bat and fights criminals. Not really a superhero film.
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Read what you wrote and you sound like the pansy 'omg i am so excited for megan gale because she's a great model and she'll make a great actress' how can you at all support having an unexperienced actress who is a model as wonder woman in such a piece of shit project.
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Christian Bale has publically said he is not interested in doing JLA. My point is that if this film showed any promise, the guy who successfully plays Batman in the current series would possibly be keen to play that same role in JLA. In fact, audiences would expect the same actor to play the role in JLA, rather than the unknown Armie Hammer.
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Bloody brilliant!
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really? really?You know it has Common in it, right?Common.
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winning best adapted screenplay over Diving Bell and The Butterfly
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But she smiles so pretty... and looks so Greek... CHARLIZE THERON please!
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take your pick
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The cunt has no idea what he's doing as the DC Media guy, absolutely no idea. Read his interviews, he is clueless and has no idea how to approach things. If I was the DC media guy this project would not happen and I wouldn't hire the homosexual showrunner of brothers and sisters to direct DC's Manliest character in Green Lantern.
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Too bad he's gonna be President.
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Armie Hammer, someone else I've never heard of, will be playing the part of Batman. He's supposedly 6'5", but he's also named after Baking Soda so I'm pretty sure he's a huge pussy. Actually, he's named after his great grandfather, Armand Hammer. Why he'd choose to go by Armie rather than Army boggles the mind, but as far as the origin of the name:
According to Carl Blumay, his biographer and former press agent, Hammer was named after the "Arm and Hammer" symbol of the Socialist Labor Party (SLP), in which his father, a committed socialist, had a leadership role at one time. [Wiki]
Awesome, maybe they should recast Superman as Hitler, put a swastika on his chest, and rename the movie Jew-Killing League of America Haters. Jerks.
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Kieran and Michele Mulroney also did a rewrite of the "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" script.
Samuel Fulmer- I wouldn't say those Miller movies were bad, but just very commercial/mainstream. You made a good point- he has never tackled anything as serious as Philip Kaufman's body of work. Miller is just a very capable mainstream director. -
I'll support her coz she's a local and when I hung out with her, she was nice... No other reason - Couldn't give a shit whether she was working on a D-Grade Student film or a high budget hollywood movie...
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that he expects he'll be playing Batman till he's 50 and he's ok with that. What he's not ok with is making a different batman in another movie whilst such a great franchise is already happening.
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Has anyone read Vern's recent review of Nightmare on Elm Street? That part where he describes Michael Bay's Freddy nightmare is the funniest fucking thing I've read in a long time.
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Are you a WW fan? Would she be any good in the role? She looks sweet as candy to me. I need to see her in motion before I can fantasi-- I mean, "imagine" her as Wonder Woman.
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Although I liked John Stewart in the JL/U animated series, I'd rather have Hal Jordan in the Movie adaptation, but Common was ok in Smokin Aces which was a disapointing film albiet better than Shoot 'em up.Anyways bring on Hawkman, teh hell with Aquaman.
And it can't be nealy as bad as the 1990's JL (CBS) pilot which I can only watch the first 10 minutes before turning my DVD player off. I'm somewhat optimistic that this may be actually good.We can't really judge a product till it's actually finished now can we? Remember Tim Burton's Batman? -
...Dude, she's an Amazon incarnate... Gorgeous, amazing look - But she's got a rough as guts edge when she wants to... I think she'll kick ass...
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This film is important to DC and Warners. It will get made.
Miller directing it (even if his hands are tied with the marketing-directed casting) means they didn't hire some fuckwit. Wanna roll the dice again, fuckos?!
And as far as "getting it right" goes, the only way to marginally do that is the dumb simple thing of making the character visually match the drawings in the comic (as in general fave artist). Not saying that Iron Man will be lousy at all, just that it's a canny move. "Oh! Look! You can SEE they're doing it right!" 'Cause God knows you fanboys fight amongst themselves/ourselves so much you're never going to please everyone with the story/interpretation of the character. Even within the comics themselves.
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...You guys bitch and moan no matter WHAT happens - Right or wrong - Good or Bad - There's always something for you to cry into your cereal over...
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The only time you guys DON'T throw around hate is when something legit. deserves it...ie Transformers or Spidey 3.There are obviously exceptions, but most of you sheeple just jump on the bandwagon of the guy that yelled "FIRST" (which is gay and always has been)
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Thats the big secret they're not telling us about this project, it's a musical. Featuring the hits "I Wanna Save Somebody", "Do You Like My New Costume?", and "Suck", written by Elton John and Tim Rice, and featuring Common. Common.
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Not that we're on completely diff. pages here. I think that most of the news that's come out has been pretty shitty...but I'm optimistic.It seems like you want this project GONE now.Pickin' up books today?
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You're right. I read that there's a scene where Wonder Woman starts singing "Boogie Wonderland" and the JL men start fluttering around her, drooling.
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This movie will blow. Why? because of poor decision making. Comic fans want great, well made, entertaining movies for the same reason rich guys want nice cars. You really think we'd complin if it looked good?
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Firstly, there is more to that Flash scene than just 'action.' Secondly where we differ is that I believe that all those GL subplots in JLU did nothing to enamour me of the character, they were entertaining but I left each of those scenes with more feeling towards Shayera/Vixen. Lastly, you seem to be missing my point. To return to your original point, people are not wrong to want a white GL or a black GL in JLA, it all depends on taste, but my personal preference is for Hal Jordan in the spin-off for the reasons stated and I am not fussed which Lantern is in the JLA.
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Wow. I thought people were tossing around the "Armie Hammer is 21" as a generic sign of his youth...but nope.I'm 27 and I think that I'M too young to play BATMAN!!! SHIT!Where's my bottle of Dewars!!!!?!?!
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to play Wonder Woman in the JLAMusical. Co-starring the golden razor of truth. Common to play 50cent to play DMX to play Biz Markie as "Green Lantern" Zac Efron to play "Fag".
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If JLA is a campy big-screen abortion I won't care. It would almost be more enjoyable that way, then a carefully calibrated piece of superhero cinema that raises the bar etc etc etc. Zzzzzzzzz..... If it's going to suck, hopefully it sucks long and hard and spectacularly. - - The important thing is that Watchmen hits theaters first and that it (hopefully) DOES raise the bar and do justice to a superhero comic that actually can and does lay claim to some well-deserved literary status. - - Fingers crossed on all counts. - - now, continue your sanctimonious ungrateful pissing and moaning.
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Deal with it. How do I know that? Just as simply as you know this movie is gonna blow: I made it up. I KNOW what comic fans want, Sark. I am one. How immersed are you in the JLA decision making, pal?Just looking for some consistency and my point was that there is SO MUCH fucking hate for this movie when it's god a good director attached to it and most of you were frothing at the mouth to defend TINO when we had seen ALOT more damning information about that.
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...I do think you'd complain if it looked good.
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whats your favorite comic/character/team/story, whatever. What's your favorite?
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...Yes - I DO think you'd complain... anything from "Too Shiny" to "Wrong Look" to "Wrong Voice" to "Bad effects" to "In-accurate story line"... It's fuck'n ridiculous what you guys find to moan about... So yeah, I do think you'd complain...
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I will gladly eat crow if there's something within these children that becomes a fucking superhero movie. It's a bad move to go up against TDK, which I think will pretty much fucking rule. Begins was dope, and I will give this ONE full TRAILER to get me on board. That's all it will take for me to know if it's going to work.It's called thin-slicing, and it's a valid form of decision making. I hope to eat crow, but I have a feeling this will be shit pie.
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I don't complain about everything. You want a list of what I think is good? Any fun there?
So if I told you X-men 4 was being directed by the guy that did Charolettes web, Starring Johnny Knoxville as Wolverine, and 50cent as Bishop, YOU wouldn't complain? The only reason I care so much about nit-picking this project is because I (along with many other fans) believe this is simply a cash cow designed to capitalize on great fictional characters without giving them any respect. -
Oh give me a break.... "I believe this is simply a cash cow designed to capitalize on great fictional characters without giving them any respect"... They're made up comic book characters - This isn't Elizabeth The Golden Age - It's men in tights fighting evil... Even the great fictional characters you've come to love have been revamped and revised throughout the years they've existed on paper... What hollywood movie ISN'T a cash cow designed to capatalize? You sound like a first year screen studies student...
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I want them to know there is little to no love for this project. Even those who support it lean on the "Lets just wait and see". Does that sound like enthusiasm?
Watchmen will be great because they are giving the characters respect, casting appropraitely and filming carefully. This movie is expected to be re-written, casted, filmed, and finish post production BY 2009.
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The WWE is men in tights fighting evil. Have you read "Justice" or "Kingdom Come"? Wouldn't you rather see a QUALITY product?
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And just because they are fictional characters doesn't mean they don't deserve respect. Or would you want to see Casper van Diem as Sherlock Holmes vs DMX as Moriarty?
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Feb 27, 2008 6:48:04 PM CST
Justice is really cool...Samurai nailed it in one.
by micturatingbenjamin
This is going to be the WB's OC/Gossip Girl version of the Superfriends. Does THAT sound like something you'd pay to see? I'd pay to see this on DVD, or give them my attention for commercials if they made it into a TV show.
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were finally coming into their own as a palatable medium (save for X-3 and Spidey 3: Emo-tric Boogaloo), we get *this* garbage. nothing i've heard on this project gives me hope for anything other than ass-in-a-can.
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Come now, surely that's unfair. Comic books characters ARE great literature and should be treated with respect. It's modern day mythology and it has it's fans so why not respect that? You say it's not Elizabeth the Golden Age, well I say comicdom is full of great literary characters - in the same way that you have great novels, you have great comics and great comic characters. To denigrate it as you just have sir dooms us all to endless re-runs of Fantastic Four. When these movies are done and gone, who do you think keeps this characters alive to used by Hollywood for good or ill again - the fans. So have a little care in how you phrase these things. Maybe I have misunderstood you but this is a fan website and so we actually care about the treatment, perceived or otherwise of these characters. That is all.
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now, if they could bag Josh Hartnett as Dr. John Watson, then they'd have my $8.
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Sammy...you wanna talk comics than meet me at ComicsInk in Culver City, CA in an hour. I do not have a FAVORITE comic book/team/arc just like a I don't have a FAVORITE movie...I have hundreds of each that I know I can read/watch whenever the mood strikes me. Favorite comic writers that come to mind include Brian Azzarello, Mark Millar (pre Civil War), Bendis (pre 2007), Mark Waid, Jeph Loeb (though his TV work sucks), Dan Slott, Bill Willingham, Marv Wolfman, Alan Moore (duh), and I could do THIS all day.
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...sorry pal, but the moment you toss the "it's not Shakespeare" hat into the ring...you've lost it. While it may not be in it's inception, those adapting it should aim for nothing lower.I think that Comic Books are filled with incredible literary characters as iconic as Hercules or Holden McNeil.
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I'll use Alan Moore. Don't you think if people were a little more informed, and spoke up during the filming, that maybe, possibly, we could have had a great comic film instead of the smegma they put together? I'm just saying, crap is everyone's enemy.
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I'd never make it to culver city. Meet me in hollywood. We'll duke it out at pinks...
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Right, that way I can GET to Pink's by 7 and stand in the line of tourists wondering why Angelina Jolie isn't at Pink's getting an Oprah Dog.I was at ComicCon 2 years ago talking to David Gibbons and he said that Alan Moore actually DID have alot of control on LEAGUE...so that he didn't understand why he was so pissed about V FOR VENDETTA at the time.
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My buddy thinks I'm "part of the problem." for going there alot, cuz it's so touristy.I'm working on PASS AVE in Burbank next week. Small world.I also agree that crap is everyone's enemy...now don't think that I'm PRAISING the casting of Armie Hammer...it's just that Miller has build up enough good will in me to let me say "We'll see..."Now that's not true of EVERY film maker (Bay, Ratner, Mark Steven Johnson, etc)
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Come on now, to say that people see X Men 3 all over JL is a horrible horrible insult to George Miller. He has made some incredible movies in his life. Ratner is yet to make even 1. When I heard Miller's name attached, I was much more optimistic. He has made some great movies and I did not see him coming into the comic book genre at all. I dont see where the hate is coming from, he made an iconic character out of a bloke who barely says anything and I am not talking about Jack Bauer's dad in Babe.
I will admit defeat when I know that the guy behind the camera knows how to make good movies. Until I hear "Miller walks off JL to be replaced by Ratner."
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Crazy! Call me up, we'll have some sex.
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sorry not admit defeat...
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Let's face it, he has never done a plain bad film, and he has made some of the best. I think they should get Keaton to play Bats again, ala DKR. It would give it a good distinction from the Nolan films too.
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I wasn't equating Miller and Ratner...I was saying they are on OPPOSTITE ends of the spectrum. Miller has garnered enough good will to be optimistic about one of his movies....Ratner has done the OPPOSTITE
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If the Mulroney's did an awesome rewrite of the script, andit ended up being SO good, Bale and Routh both decided to be in it, I would be the biggest cheerleader for this thing. I'd even support Miller and pray happy thoughts to him and his family. but thats a big fat IF. Oh, and if Ratner decided to direct JLA, I'd pull an Oedipus and poke my eyes out.
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I mean, I didn't LOVE Routh as Superman, though he was one of the few things I didn't hate about that movie and yeah, Bale is the best Batman we've had...but even the comic fan in me wants to see another take. you're obviously smart enough where it wouldn't confuse you.
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...All this stemmed from me supporting Megan and getting flack for it... So if you wanna jizz all over your comics go ahead - I'm looking forward to the film not because I think it's going to be a "perfect reproduction and respectful interpretation of a well loved classic" but because I'm looking forward to seeing Megan as Wonder Woman - Nothing more, nothing less...
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..that's hardly the sole reason that I am looking forward to this movie.I think the lowest common denominator in fandom are the tools that say "FANTASTIC FOUR, yeah I'm going to see that cuz it's got Jessica Alba in it" or "STEALTH..two words..Jessica Biel."That's lame. I've seen enough naked women to know what one looks like clothed.
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Billy Mitchell should be Sinestro. I just got done watching King of Kong...HOLY SHIT...What a douche.
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Superman, I'll grant you, is hard unless you depower him or go the cliche route of destroying him at the beginning (well shit, look at that, he's dead before the movie even starts now!), but the two characters are part of this and leaving them out is just feeding the prima donna nature of the whole thing. Alas, they didn't leave Wolverine out of X-Men though.
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Are you freaking kidding me, why, why, why, why????? Leave it alone already and if your gonna make the movie leave Superman and Batman out of it. Just make the movie with the other characters and leave Nolan and Singer's vision alone!!!!!!!!!!!
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GL - John Stewart should be played by Dennis Haysbert. Flash should either be Ben Browder or Sean William Scott. Aquaman should either be Matthew McConaughey, Thomas Jane or Paul Walker. Wonder Woman could be Eliza Dushku, Claudia Black or Megan Fox. Batman needs to be Michael Keaton or Jason Statham. Superman should be Tom Welling and Martian Manhunter without a doubt should be played by Christopher Judge!!! And just for fun if they put Killer Frost in cast Fairuza Balk as her.
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No mate. I was speaking generally about people making the comparisons to X Men 3. I totally agree with you, Miller deserves our faith because the guy has made some great movies regardless of the time period.
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I don't hear anyone really complaining about The Dark Knight or Watchmen. So for half vader and scorecard mainly. Shut the fuck up.
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You ant this shit to go ahead becaue Megan Gale was nice to you. You fucking idiot. And then you say it's men in tights not elizabeth the golden age. ELIZABETH THE GOLDEN AGE WAS A PIECE OF SHIT! There is far more depth and profound ideas to be found in comic books. You are a fucking idiot. A well made GL Corps movie with Hal Jordan front and centre would be incredible but it's guys in tights so it will never be a great story just sillyness I mean really, Sinestro Corps War was a disposable story.
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Read some comics and stop watching shitty movies like Elizabeth the Golden Age. And enjoy your tabloids, you sound like the dude who loves watching Kate Hudson movies, if you are a dude and not the 14 year old girl you sound like.
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I hear complaints about Dark Knight and Watchmen here all the time. I'm not knocking either of them I love Nolan's take and think Snyder is competent. Why do I think that? I think that cause he's produced a few movies w/ strong character and story...just like George Miller has. Add to this ALL the rants against the casting for WATCHMEN (too young...too unknown) and I just don't see why JLA is getting such hate.I mean, can you argue that most talkbackers just jump on the consensus bandwagon? A consensus typically established by either AICN itself or another talkbacker.
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You guys want to see The Thomas Crown Affair version of JLA, and since you're not being pandered to 100% you want to treat this adaptation of JLA as if it was 2Brave2Bold: Metropolis Drift just because they're not casting Daniel Day Lewis as fucking Hal Jordan. Seems to me like McKellen as Magneto and Picard as Xavier spoiled you guys, and now you want to pout if presented with anything less than perfection. To which I say, stop whining. Orson Welles could be directing JFK Jr. as Batman in a David Mamet scripted adaptation of Year One and no doubt some of you would still find ways to predict it would not only suck but ruin all future comic book movies forever. I'd rather see the movie that it seems like George Miller is currently on his way to filming than the pipe-dream fan-fic "Batman: Dead End" nonsense that many of you are proposing instead. It may not be The French Connection with superpowers, but looking at Miller's track record for movies that seem juvenile on the surface but actually have a dark edge, I'd say he is the perfect director to perform the same kind of balancing act necessary for the success of a live action JLA. Frankly, this is one of those occasions where whiny online fanboys deserve to be ignored by the grown ups actually making the movie.
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Why not go with David Boreanaz or Matthew Fox as Batman, Joshua Jackson as Flash,Jensen Ackles as Green Arrow, and a decent voice actor as Martian Manhunter. The cast is waaaay to young and with no experiance this will indeed suck.
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And a DAMN good name too, ebonic plague. I actually thought BATMAN DEAD END sucked. Well, no. I liked it, but my roommated edited the MAKING OF feature and I met the dude...don't know why I ever respected a man named SANDY.Regardless, Ebonic that was probably the best laid out argument I've seen on this TB so far. Kudos.
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...could be that I'm on my second glass of Dewar's. Whatever. That Sandy Collara guy is a TOTAL douche bag. And than I saw WORLD'S FINEST and that sucked so i was happy I didn't like him. I'm sure he's working on some way to shoot Batman saving the Hindenberg right now.
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Fuck Hal Jordan, and Kyle Rayner. One way to ensure that I skip this movie is to cast Nathan "Bland" Fillion or David "Boring" Boreanaz as GL. The greatest superhero team on Earth, and they're all whitebread? Also, I'm not black, but an additional "fuck you" goes out to racist pieces of shit who can't accept that it is possible to be a successful rap artist and also have other legitimate creative skills such as acting. Not that you'd know any different, but there is a range of variety between someone like 50 Cent or DMX and Common or Mos Def. Flame on, you H.E.A.T douchebags.
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1. I do not like the casting. Let me put it this way. Megan Gale has no previous acting experience, Adam Brody is a one-note actor who would be miscast as the Flash, and lastly Armie Hammer Jr does not have the chops to play Batman. When you add all this up even if God directed this, I'd have worries about these guys playing icons.
2. As the weeks pass, there is still the Summer 2009 deadline hanging over this movie's head. Making a movie to beat a release date is never a good idea particularly one of this scale.
3. I think general audiences will get superhero overkill, lowering the grosses for a 3rd Batflick and denying us further Nolanised batfilms. Oh and I can see WB asking Nolan to tone his Batman movies down once the dumb public drive this thing to over 250 mill.
4. I'm pretty sure this thing turns into one hero and his friends ala Wolverine and the Xmen. That works for Xmen because Wolvie's the man and the only one IMHO with spin-off potential but it will not do for DC Icons.
5. Lastly, if it goes wrong - spin-offs are doomed. Eggs in one basket syndrome.
Maybe Miller proves me wrong but somehow I doubt it. I don't think we will get an awful film just something depressingly mediocre. I think since Batman and Robin, people have become very protective of comic book movies - some say it's bitching but I say it mostly comes from fear of that debacle happening again. WB is responsible for the worst comic book movies of all time - Batman and Robin, Steel and Catwoman so we are very wary. Miller is not a cast-iron guarantee of quality and I see a sea of crap around this one, admittedly talented but possibly past-his-best director. So yeah, I have JLA hate. And will remain so, until I see evidence to the contrary. Btw, Dark Knight, Iron Man and Watchmen have had actual actors cast- not models or musicians. So for that reason Snyder and Favreau get the benefit of the doubt but a better director, Miller does not. -
I raise a glass of hooch back atcha. I have no problem with someone making their own version of a Batman movie, however atrocious it might look, but when you start saying that ONLY your version of Batman can be acceptable, I will cordially invite such a person to do everyone a favor and cease their prattling in favor of fellating my enormous wang. If Adam West and Jon Peters couldn't kill Batman, nobody can.
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Boreanaz as Batman and Jensen Ackles as Green Arrow are damn good picks as well. Let's hope somebody with some sense will pay attention and rethink this cast before they ruin one of the best superhero teams ever and kill any chance of solo movies for the lesser known members of the team.
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...clarify. I completely see what you're saying and AGREE with you in most cases. I'm not at all jazzed about the casting....BUT George Miller. In my opinion, he hasn't made ONE bad movie....I am just wondering what director would you put in as a "cast iron guarantee of quality"?
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dude, I'd take this Megan Gale over Megan Fox and EVEN over eliza dushku. Sean William Scott as Flash, yeah I'd take Adam Brody over that.Oh wait, the best part...you said that BATMAN HAS to be either Keaton or JASON STATHAM!?!?!?! HAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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So because we got ian mckellen as magneto and patrick stewart as prof x we should be happy with adam brody as wally west? sort of evens it out. And Daniel Day lewis should not play Hal Jordan. You make it sound like only shitty people should play these characters, you do realize Christian bale is playing Batman right?
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and they are screaming the loudest. All 5 of you can fuck yourselves and hopefully you never make it in the movie industry. And brians life you'd seriously take Megan Gale over Megan Fox? only reason is because she's tall.
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The thing I liked about it was that at first I could give a crap about GL, Aquaman, MM, WW, Black Canary and Flash, but Superman and Batman did not have anything to do with it until the end. Until they were pulled into it. That story came out in the 90's but I always liked it cause it actually made me understand how cool the other Characters that made up the JLA were. So my whole point is, this movie could easily go the route of building the team of the JLA , by only mentioning Superman and Batman, and then towards the end only having them get involved because they are needed to help. In the comic, They were too busy with their own cities and issues to fully commit to the JLA, which is why the team seemed to be forming without them, until the end. So if the movie goes that route, then you COULD have others in the roles as they would probably be playing the ideas of the characters rather the being on screen the whole time...in that sense it could all work out. I would rather see the Flash and GL and WW be fleshed out and focused on, rather than something to do with SM And BM...This Movie COULD be great, even now...And there is no reason to think that just because the GL in this one is John, that Hal couldn't be the GL in the main movie, don't forget that they are part of a CORPS...
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I got no problem with John Stewart...but Common ain't a damned actor. He's not as good as say...the guy who played the president in the first season of 24. Or, Mos Def, even. Mos Def is a fucking monster of an actor, and a goddamned intense performer. He's fucking funny and good at what he does. Common is just stunt casting, and let's hope they get through a read through before they let the ink dry on that fucking contract.On the subject of Sandy Cholera's Dead End...I played that for my wife, and you could seriously HEAR her eyes fucking roll when the Joker started talking.It was over the top, and the contacts looked like shit. The guy was built like Batman, but the second he opened his mouth, we all understand why they didn't choose this guy to be Batman.Finally, I said it before, maybe George Miller can do it...But I don't have a lot of faith in a supreme master director cobbling anything out of this OC/CW Primetime cast.And lastly, Kyle Rayner...sure, fuck that guy...but Hal Motherfucking Jordan rules...check out New Frontiers if you don't believe me. But if you want a modern hero movie, you need more diversity than the color of the five white guys' hair. So, yes, John Stewart, but fucking hell...Common? What else has he been in? Anything? Shit, man, let me see this guy in action in a trailer, and I'll say okay it has a shot...right now I've got the promise of three unheard-ofs and Common mixed with a director I respect, but suspects he's the first to roll over for studios. So, we'll see...
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I don't want to make fun of you too harshly because, based on your posts here and your affinity for Sinestro Wars, I'm not sure if you're like 12 or retarded and I don't want to screw up my karma any more by mocking you, but, as you're just wildly throwing talkback punches there, I will say that I don't think the current cast are shitty actors; in fact, most of them I've never seen them in anything, but the ones I have seen I have no problem with in the roles they are said to be playing, and as for the others, I trust Miller's judgment FAR more than I trust yours or most other talkbackers. And yeah, I'd also take Megan Gale over that trailer park chick from Transformers.
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Have you ever SEEN Megan Fox. I see her at Whiskey Bar and Coffee Bean all the time...I can't think of anyone more UN-wonder woman...except maybe like Roseanne Barr, but now we're just being silly.
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I'm off to bed now but sure i'll clarify. George Miller has to be fair to him not made a single bad film but and this is a big but, in my opinion,he has had two cast-iron classics and one grear film - these are Mad Max 1 and 2 and lastly Babe. The rest are good to mediocre with Mad Max 3 close to bad. Now Babe aside, this man has not made a great film since the Eighties. That's a long time to be considered a cast-iron guarantee, that makes you more like Ron Howard i.e capable of classics like Apollo 13 but usually turns out dependable solid movies like Beautiful Mind. But put it this way, my personal favourite directors i.e Nolan, Spielberg, Scorsese who I do consider guarantees of quality do not make casting decisions as absurd as these. Even he can't turn piss into wine. Anyway, I'm not convinced he is the right man for the job to be honest. Recast, write out Bats, and possibly Supes and I will support this. It's that simple. Otherwise, hmmm. Good night all.
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Sorry, I forgot. Miller has arguably made one bad film - Babe 2: Pig in the city. But it is debatable, i agree.
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to my knowledge has never made even a remotely bad movie. Even Babe 2 and Happy Feet are dark and subversive, and infused with Miller's frantic and twisted energy. He also has excellent taste with his casting--I don't recall ever seeing any miscast roles in any film he's touched--his casting is usually perfect and ultimately iconic (Mad Max, John Lithgow in his Twilight Zone ep., the Farmer in Babe..) Miller is a fearless and uncomprimising director---you know the rules: there are no rules. I'm excited as hell to see what kind of superhero's he'll give us.
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1. So, the script was written by studio writers at the behest of producers...Strike One. This is a guarantee of the money controlling the picture instead of the director's vision. Re-writes for scenes including the tie-in toy and video game release as well as all the ad revenue they can stuff into it will be the norm around that set. This is a danger sign, and it makes me dislike the idea of the film.2. The youth of the casting is worrisome because these heroes aren't exactly the Teen Titans. While the Teen Titans ARE hot with the kids right now, as well as the idea of a teen JLA on Smallville, Hollywood should not see this as indicative of a good idea for the general movie going public. Proven leads with more than episodes of 'Arrested Development' might be called for, especially on a production with a severe timeline and a LOT riding on the 'tentpole release'.3. George Miller doesn't make shitty movies, but since Mad Max 2, he's been on a downward trend of 'mainstream friendliness' ending with Babe: Pig in the City. Great flick, well done kids' fare, and yeah, kind of dark...BUT...a sequel to a heartfelt film, and he did it with nary a 'are you sure we should shit on the fan's goodwill of the first unique and amazing performance?' he just shrugged and said, 'Where's the money? Sure. Let's do this!' So, the guy's got skill, but he's a bit of a shill, too...so...Just be on the lookout for Giant Spiders, and a segment where Young Batman gets tossed into a big ass display of NoS energy drink, and throws a villain off a giant billboard dedicated to the thirst quencher Gatorade.That's it. I'll give this one trailer to show me that it's not going to be fucking stupid, then I'll just ignore it.
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I've seen him in Smoking Aces (bad movie, but I thought he was competant in it) and of course some videos, and I can't see anything in what I've seen that would make him a bad choice for GL. In fact, just on appearance, he seems ideal, better than the Allstate/24 guy (too old IMO, esp. in light of the cast they are going with) or Mos (good actor, but doesn't seem to fit GL). And, while he is a known (and respected) rapper, it's not like he's the flavor of the hip-hop moment, so I don't buy that it's really "stunt" casting... more like an unknown actor who's not entirely unknown, which, again, seems perfect to me for the part and the movie. I mean, it's not like they cast Lil John as GL, the guy is a competant actor, more than a match for the (let's be realistic) supporting role of GL, and would look perfect in the part. Outside of typical internet cynicism, I see no reason why he wouldn't be a good John Stewart. I really don't have a problem with Hal, either, but Hal Jordan fans are so traumatized and easy to fuck with that I couldn't resist a jab. But seriously, I do have a problem with a lily white JLA, and since GL is the only charter member to be portrayed in canon as a black man, I'd say its a no-brainer to go with Stewart, at least from a movie studio's perspective. But thanks for the sane reply, here's hoping we both end up liking the end result, whatever they end up doing.
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Feb 27, 2008 10:12:42 PM CST
Ebonic, you sir, are a gentleman and a scholar...
by micturatingbenjamin
And it should be Dave Chappelle as Guy Gardner. Lil John should be in this as Darkseid's kid. I don't know Common from anything, I never saw Smoking Aces, maybe I should.And in short, I'm not throwing the 'THIS WILL SUCK...NAHANAHANAHANAI'M NOT LISTENING LANAHANAHANMANA!' gauntlet down. I give everything one trailer to sell me. Hell, even The Happening's trailer worked on me. I'm intrigued and want to see it...fucking M. Night Shaymalan...But this has me worried. I mean the first report was that WB hired a couple studio guys (probably shills/hacks) to fire this out as a quickie. To quote JB: "I could shoot you out a song...I could 23 skiddoo you a song but it wouldn't be real....it would be false."The D knows...
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Now THAT is valid criticism. I fully understand all your reservations, and actually share many of them, but so far, every way I add it up, I still am optimistic about the chances for this to be good. It really comes down to the fact that Miller hasn't made a bad film, even when the deck was stacked against him (Babe 2? Talking cute animals, dark and subversive?). Maybe JLA is too big of a ship for one guy to steer clear of all these potential icebergs, but until I see evidence that it's destined for the shit pile (which thus far I see no insurmountable problems), I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Basically, I don't think there's enough information to make the call yet, and that's what's making all of us talkback prognosticators go schizo, because it's the entire reason for talkbacks.
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"I give everything one trailer..."I really wish more would think like that.
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remember Phantom Menace?
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...he got me with his legal mumbo jumbo.I do feel that a trailer is the first real FEEL for a movie we can get...though that's not exactly an original idea.
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Feb 27, 2008 10:37:27 PM CST
MESSI, IF YOU END UP LOVING THIS MOVIE AFTER IT COMES OUT
by bringingsexyback
like you did Transformers, I'm gonna rape you.
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Justa Lotta Ass...and I'm not talkin' Megan Gale either...
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Two words alone sum up why this will suck: Armie Hammer.
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Great day in the mornin, she is HOT. I'd like to just stick her toes in my mouth and SUCK HER UP LIKE A STRAW...I'll drink HER milkshake any bloody day of the week! I'll DRINK IT UP...SCCCHHHLURRRRP!
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to do if the movie comes out and is actually worth watching? Please, I'd like to know. Seriously.
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Darth Sticky - "...if they give him a gun?" If you meant that he can only play thug roles: Fuck you. If not: I apologize.
Batzilla - "I thought Green Lantern was a honky?" First, I don't appreciate your use of that derogatory term in reference to my white brothers of European descent. Second, was that subject line an attempt to humorously preface your ignorant questions? Thanks to my white brother, Mr. Bruce Timm and the fine folks at Warner Animation, John Stewart has been the most visible green lantern for years. As Bruce put it: "...a bunch of white guys saving the world? What's up with that?" Look, then leap.
Kid Z - The hoodie comment annoyed me initially, but I can't slam you for it. I don't approve of the choice of Common in the role but I will give the brother, THE LOVE AND UNITY PROMOTING BROTHER, the benefit of the doubt. He costars in Warner's "Wanted" with Angelina Jolie. That may have given him the edge. Who knows. He's in acting class as we type.
Anakinsdiapers - Thank you.
Ebonic Plague - Thank you.
That is all. Beware my power...
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Darth Sticky - "...if they give him a gun?" If you meant that he can only play thug roles: Fuck you. If not: I apologize.
Batzilla - "I thought Green Lantern was a honky?" First, I don't appreciate your use of that derogatory term in reference to my white brothers of European descent. Second, was that subject line an attempt to humorously preface your ignorant questions? Thanks to my white brother, Mr. Bruce Timm and the fine folks at Warner Animation, John Stewart has been the most visible green lantern for years. As Bruce put it: "...a bunch of white guys saving the world? What's up with that?" Look, then leap.
Kid Z - The hoodie comment annoyed me initially, but I can't slam you for it. I don't approve of the choice of Common in the role but I will give the brother, THE LOVE AND UNITY PROMOTING BROTHER, the benefit of the doubt. He costars in Warner's "Wanted" with Angelina Jolie. That may have given him the edge. Who knows. He's in acting class as we type.
Anakinsdiapers - Thank you.
Ebonic Plague - Thank you.
That is all. Beware my power... -
Feb 27, 2008 11:37:02 PM CST
Reaction to Common/Green Lantern comments - third time's the cha
by panther69
Darth Sticky - "...if they give him a gun?" If you meant that he can only play thug roles: Fuck you. If not: I apologize.
Batzilla - "I thought Green Lantern was a honky?" First, I don't appreciate your use of that derogatory term in reference to my white brothers of European descent. Second, was that subject line an attempt to humorously preface your ignorant questions? Thanks to my white brother, Mr. Bruce Timm and the fine folks at Warner Animation, John Stewart has been the most visible green lantern for years. As Bruce put it: "...a bunch of white guys saving the world? What's up with that?" Look, then leap.
Kid Z - The hoodie comment annoyed me initially, but I can't slam you for it. I don't approve of the choice of Common in the role but I will give the brother, THE LOVE AND UNITY PROMOTING BROTHER, the benefit of the doubt. He costars in Warner's "Wanted" with Angelina Jolie. That may have given him the edge. Who knows. He's in acting class as we type.
Anakinsdiapers - Thank you.
Ebonic Plague - Thank you.
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"Third time's the charm" was the latter of the last post's subject line.
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I win.
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Instantly boinkable.
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dude is 6'5.... that means whoever plays superman has got to be like 6'7.... superman looking up at batman is redickerous... wait, the whole damn movie is gonna be redickerous.
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Will Smith is black, I think. Other than him.... umm...
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if a THOR movie gets made.... this american gladiator dude would be awesome for the role, some 6'3 261 blonde man-god? who cares if he cant act, he looks like thor... i mean, it couldnt be any worse casting than armi hammer as batman, could it?
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What the fuck are they doing?!? Screw the fact the George Miller is behind it, why are they casting these kids in this film?
I don't care about the casting of the other heroes 'cos on screen they are a blank slate, but Superman and Batman needs to be spot-on. Get Routh or Welling for Superman and Wentworth Miller or Bale for Batman. -
go on stick a bit of cowbell in, right when they are fighting the giant mechanical spider in the 3rd act!!
I also heard that Adam West is doing a voiceover for this and Sean Young will be playing Catwoman.
yes, all of the above ideas are as dumb as this movie is going to be!!
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Okay, I promise I will try to stay away from the Justice League talkbacks for a while, because tensions are high, the comic strip fundamentalist are getting real close to stoning people at random and I don't want to be the guy that set them off. Also Ebonic Plague is doing a better job than me. But I got a couple more questions and points about this discussion.
1. Somebody answered my question about why John Favreau gets the benefit of the doubt but George Miller doesn't. The answer was that "he's a fan" and "he's a geek" and "he loves to dress up and sword fight" (that last one I might have imagined). I know this is a common one that Harry and Moriarty use sometimes but I don't buy that, I don't think it makes any sense at all and has been disproven more often than not. DAREDEVIL according to my colleagues was made by a guy who loves the Daredevil character. According to fans it is very faithful to the comic strips. According to adults though that is a fucking ridiculous movie. Affleck looks like an idiot in the costume, the villain is an overacting Colin Farrell as a guy whose super power is flicking peanuts real hard at people to kill them. What good is "faithful" if the result is a movie like that?
Also please note that Brian Singer was NOT a fan of X-Men, but is obsessed with Superman. What does that tell you? Also, Brett Ratner is a huge X-Men fan. Does that mean he did a better job than Singer? David Cronenberg didn't know A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE was a comic strip, but made it into the best movie of that year. All of you are fans of comic books, no way you could do a movie as good as George Miller could. Fan got nothing to do with it. Look for a guy who can direct. (also, who says George Miller isn't a fan?)
2. Messi, you gotta stop calling everybody who disagrees with you an idiot or I'm gonna wash your mouth out with soap like my mama used to do to me. It didn't work but it tasted fucking terrible. I don't recommend it.
3. I still question this idea of doing separate movies as the only good way to do it. I think about whether X-MEN would be better if all those characters had separate movies first leading up to the one where they're together. I just don't buy it. I think that would make the movie not as good. Part of the fun of any movie is being introduced to the characters. I don't want to see the "origins" of all these people, just tell me a fuckin story. They are already wonder woman or whoever, I don't want to see her fall into a vat of wonder chemicals.
And the AVENGERS thing sounds cool but I just gotta point out that there's a huge potential for disaster here. What happens if all of you scamps end up hating HULK or IRON MAN? I have noticed most of you hate most movies, I'm pretty sure it's gonna happen with one or both. Everybody was excited for the original, good version of HULK, but most of you ended up hating it and being afraid of it. What makes you so sure that's not gonna happen this time? What if half of you hate HULK and love IRON MAN, 1/3 of you hate IRON MAN and love HULK, and the rest of you hate both? Then how excited are you gonna be for AVENGERS? Will you be in these talkbacks fighting over whether they have to recast Iron Man or recast Hulk or recast both or not have Hulk appear in it or change the color of Hulk pants? Or what if everybody loves both but Edward Norton doesn't end up being in AVENGERS, which I'm pretty sure is gonna happen? What then? Is that gonna break your hearts? Are you sure this is a fool proof plan?
4. And come to think of it why are you so sure if this was bad it would "kill" other comic movies? Aren't they already redoing HULK because you ungrateful bastards didn't like the first one? And PUNISHER? Didn't they already redo Batman after Schumacher ruined it? You guys are young, you'll live to see another day, why don't you let us George Miller fans get another kickass movie out of him. The end. -
Every time somebody says "miller sucks" they just make it obvious how little they know. He is one of the most well respected directors around. The stories he tells are always well told, his pacing is great, his camera work is IMPECCABLE and the cast in his films always give great performances. What fucking more do you want? Another great action film from him? Well maybe, just maybe, this will be it.
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How the fuck am I supposed to know which ones are considered "books" and which ones are strips? I am an adult.
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Feb 28, 2008 4:55:20 AM CST
I may have developed a man crush on Vern after these last few po
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I'm concerned.
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is what's missing
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and I'm glad Vern bollocked Messi, I'm sick of his illiterate postings and constant Green Lantern fellatio. I hate to break this to you Messi but the vast majority of the world has very little idea who green lantern is aside from the fact that it's some dude that uses a gay power ring and dresses in green.
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What Will Smith was too expensive I guess? Will Smith would have been perfect for Jon Stewart GL.
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with a few lazy comments you are showing yourself as a snob by disregarding comic books as childish.
I hope you raise this issue when you do another kiss-ass article with some celebs who clearly hold these books in esteem.
So you are a grown man huh? Shouting nah-nah-nah on a here and making horrible, sweeping generalisations. You can argue that films are the playground of the feeble with little regard for making real change in the world, but that would be wrong too.
I love films, I love all types of literature and very tolerant of everyone else's interests. So stand up then and be a man Vern, and give respect to everyone else who bothers to listen to your crap. -
Regarding separate movies - you cannot compare xmen to JLA. X-men are a natural team, Wolverine is the only one with real spin-off potential. However JLA is not a natural team, they are a group of individual and of them, GL, Flash and WW all have spin-off potential and really should have solo movies first instead of potentially damning them all this way.
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Why is this being made?
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There is much fear in this forum, mainly because we all want (or don't want) the same thing. We don't want to see Dawson's Creek in capes. We don't want the Hollywood pimp machine to treat our beloved icons like whores, and we don't want story and substance to be sacrificed in exchange for flash and glamour. Watching Batman & Robin was painful, almost on a spiritual level. None of us want to go through that again. We won't know until we see some product, of course. Until then, it's speculation, but our fears are rooted in previous clusterfucks, so they should not be ignored. Merely taken into consideration. And sure, this one can bomb and they'll just reinvent the franchise again in 10 years, but is that comforting? Fuck it up now, give it a decade, and maybe something good will show up down the road?
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http://www.kermitspad.net/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=kpcmcAvKS00007--02&type=store
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Let's roll the dice, if Peter Jackson is busy. No point in asking James Cameron.
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My feelings on this are somewhat neutral. Some directors are more gifted than others, simple as that. Talent is a huge factor, no matter what the medium...or the original material it is based on. And in my book, talent even ranks above inspiration. "DAREDEVIL" is a good example, as there was plenty of inspiration behind that movie. However, a more talented director would (likely) have never had a "blind man" (who is smart enough to be a lawyer) sparing with woman in broad daylight, in a playground, when that same man would be conscious of hiding his identity as a superhero. It is the inspiration of the comic book character that gave "DAREDEVIL" some moments to shine...but because there was not a more talented director behind the camera, the movie did not become anything more.
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"Brian Singer was NOT a fan of X-Men, but is obsessed with Superman."
I'm sorry Vern, but nothing I've ever read from Singer indicates he is a fan of Superman. Maybe he was a fan of Superman: The Movie, and became obsessed with it when he began doing research for the X-Men movies, I don't know. Bryan Singer doesn't understand the character, has no clue about the Superman rogue gallery (as weak as it might be), confused Jor-El with Kal-El in a Con, etc. All his knowledge about Superman seemed to come exclusively from the Donner movie and it's sequel. -
My very first comic book that I read from Marvel Comics was, amazingly, the classic "AVENGERS" KING-SIZED ANNUAL #7 from Jim Starlin. Wow! Ever since that time, I've seen those images come alive (in my mind) as something better than even STAR WARS. Even as a kid who could speak (nearly) nothing but "STAR WARS", I saw Jim Stalin's sequential art come alive as something more. It was, in fact, even more spectacular than the movie that was all the rage, back in the day. I knew it THEN and I know it NOW. And it's up there with the Alex Ross painted "KINGDOM COME" as movies that I still dream to make, myself. But since Hollywood isn't going to be come knocking at my door, allow me to say that I completely agree with Vern in that the "origin" story is not a crucial element of introducing a character, superhero or otherwise. That AVENGERS ANNUAL #7 introduced me to Captain America and Iron-man and Thor, among others. (Anyone remember the "roll call" on some classic "AVENGERS" and "JUSTICE LEAGUE" comic book covers, a cool element that may someday make the transition to superhero movie posters?) As with my STAR WARS movie experience back in 1977, I just took the high-dive and jumped right in. And what I found was a world that was truly amazing, just as such a fantasy experience should be.
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Having different creative teams behind comic book titles is similar to the result of having different teams behind movies. I actually like the transition of different actors to portray a character like Batman, from movie to movie. To me, the actor physically embodies the illustration of a comic book artist (along with costume design) while the actors words are those expressed from the writer, most essential to the story. And in a sense, the way it all comes together in comic book form...is somehow like...in how a director's vision comes across, on screen. You get what I'm saying? So, for me, jumping from one movie to another...that involves the same character (like Batman, for example) while involving different actors and directorial vision, is NEVER a problem. After all, I can always make the transition from one comic book to another. Can't you?
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The comic movie that have worked best worked because of a very specific focus. SpiderMan was about Peter Parkers evolution into a hero and how that affected his personal life.
Batman Begins was about one man's psychological trama driving him to become the symbol of terror for criminals.
The first two X-Men movies while sporting a larger cast of leads bases the group's motivation on the single specfic concept of a world where people are born with superpowers and are hated and feared for it.
Even FF had one "family" with a common origin story.
The problem with something like JL or Avengers would be that they all have seperate origins filled with enough material to make their own movies. it also presupposes a world where Greek gods, aliens, and socerers stand alongside custumed vigilantes.
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Hey Vern- firstly all comic books are comic books. Comic strips are things that you find in the newspaper- like Garfield or whatever. But that's beside the point. I'm concerned about this movie because as others have pointed out, the X-men are a natural team. They all have the same origin (being mutants) and there's a common cause to rally them behind (protecting mutants and supporting mutant rights). The JLA has nothing like that- they're the best and brightest that earth has to offer and the last line of defense. They are all from different backgrounds (vastly different backgrounds at that) but team together. They all have their own mythology, rather than a shared mythology. The thing that causes me the most concern is this young guy as Batman. Batman! He's supposed to be the most cunning and resourceful fighter on the planet and having some kid play him rubs me the wrong way. btw, Singer has said repeatedly that he never even read the Superman comics. And that movie was terrible. If I had some evidence of solid Superman and Batman casting I would feel better about this movie. Common and Adam Brody don't bother me much, and Megan Gale seems physically right for Wonder Woman (also we don't have to imagine her naked thanks to the internet)... but you've gotta get Supes and Bats right. Rambling message over.
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...directed The Road Warrior which is amazing and I love, but for some reason I feel very nervous about this project. Is it the young cast? Is it the fact that it is happening so fast? Is it the fact that there are so many other mediums on TV and the big screen the same characters? Is it the fact that I would have preferred to see Wonder Woman and The Flash first in their own feature films? I don't know, but I am nervous...Be positive Rocko, be positive (still nervous, hands shaking.)
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What happened to the Appellax meteors? Or Star-Ro, the Conqueror? Where is Vandal Savage? Solomon Grundy? The Shaggy Man? Fuck, even Felix Faust? If we're starting with kids, we should start at the beginning, right?
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I got a little beef with a john Stewart GL. It's like Batman skipping Dick Grayson and having Tim Drake be the first Robin.
I know Alan Scott was the first GL, but he was Golden Age, and not part of the Justice League (If they do a Justice Society, that would be awesome. No School like the Old School)
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I still don't see how "gangsta rapping" qualifies as acting talent. Is Green Lantern from a street gang or something?
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If he raps the GLC oath, I will lose my religion. God will truly be dead to me.
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There's an easy answer as to why we don't give Miller the benefit of the doubt with the Justice League. Two words: Happy. Feet.
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those who responded to my points. Sorry about the "adult" crack, I had to talk trash after I wrote that monster bringing up what I thought were many good points that hadn't been discussed and all I got was krack trying to pedantic me to death over one god damn word. Well guess what, those flimsy pamplets ain't books and the only thing comical about them is people acting like I used the n-word when they feel I used the wrong word for them, so maybe you need a new word.
As for Singer, I read that he had been obsessed with Superman since he was a kid because he was adopted. But who cares. The point is he didn't know X-Men but made two movies most of you guys like, and Brett Ratner is a fan of X-Men who made one most of you hate. So doesn't that sort of blow the fan theory out of the water? -
Other than the fight in the Thunderdome with Corky, and the car/trainrail chase at the end, it was terrible. I have faith that Justice League will be watchable as long as it's two straight hours of fights and desert car chases, with little to no dialogue. We don't need another hero!
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The first film to take a traditionally R-Rated franchise and turn it PG-13? It was the Live Free Or Die Hard/Aliens Vs. Predator of it's time, which isn't a compliment.
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For real. This movie just by the sounds of it (and not getting Bale or Routh DAMNIT) will be a horrible combination of cocksuck and fail.
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For the record I’m indifferent to this film and wish Miller the best. I don’t have any real idea if this film has a legitimate chance at being a solid entry into the superhero genre because so many of the variables are still unknown. Mostly, I don’t care because Nolan and Bale are controlling Batman and doing a damn fine job so everything else is ancillary to me personally. I appreciate comic books and consider them a valid and compelling form of art but at the same time I understand the need to alter and adjust the source material when moving from one medium to another. However, you’re comments come off as incredibly condescending; you obviously don’t have any respect for the source material at all and choose to dismiss those who take umbrage at this project as raving lunatic fan boys despite their valid concerns. You also base your tenuous thesis on some patently false information, starting with your assertion that the Daredevil film is considered “faithful”, which it most certainly is not. Pretty much everything in that film was wrong, from Affleck being cast to Elecktra looking like an anemic, coked-out model rather than a lusty, brunette warrior. Colin Farrell’s BullsEye by the way was garbage; as was everything else about that movie. What you fail to grasp is that the issue isn’t even one of fandom; it’s about respect. Singer respected the XMEN so his fandom was incidental because he made a film that treated the source material with some semblance of class. Ditto with Nolan, who, despite making some changes and adapting the Batman mythos into a more grounded construct, kept the core of the character true to the comics. If Miller does that then kudos to him but if he opts to abandon the true essence of these iconic characters then he deserves the anger and resentment that fans will no doubt heap upon him. Lastly, this issue is bigger than your personal love for Miller. I personally like his efforts but I don’t venerate him like you seem to. That understood, these JL characters are the very definition of iconic and they deserve decent treatment. As it stands, the casting appears to be mediocre at best, outright disastrous at worst. This project is not off to a positive start and if Miller ruins this (and yes, much of this film’s quality still rests in his hands) then I hope the man goes down in the asshole hall of fame along with the likes of Schumacher. Also note that I’m not somebody who “hates most movies.” I loved Lee’s Hulk, I liked X3 and I think The Punisher is underappreciated.
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Feb 28, 2008 1:49:50 PM CST
i don't have much of a problem with Miller helming this...
by glenn_the_tool
...it's the cast and how quickly WB is trying to throw this together that scares me. you knew Batman Begins was going to be serious when they hired Nolan to direct and Bale to star, Memento and Insomnia were both serious films and Bale is such an amazingly talented actor and perfect for the role. you had an idea that WB knew what they were doing by hiring Singer for Superman Returns after he resurrected the superhero movie with the X-films despite much behind-the-scenes wrangling by Fox. but with writers like the Mulroneys who've written almost nothing and a cast consisting of unknowns, a rapper (to appeal to the black moviegoers, duh), and some kid from a 90210 ripoff doesn't fill me with much faith that Miller knows what he's doing (and yes, i know Routh was an unknown before Returns, but at least he had some indie films in his background and looked like Christopher Reeve, he just needed a better script to work with than Returns' horrible script). WB probably does know full well what they're doing just like how they knew what they were doing with Batman & Robin, they want the big box office numbers and they don't care who they have to pander and cater to in order to get it. so they're going to cobble together a big effects-heavy action film with a basic plot. i just hope Miller can salvage some kind of dignity out of this film and prevent it from being an unmitigated disaster like we're afraid it will be.
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Well I'm with you there Cleric, I was just addressing the "he's a fan" argument that came up earlier. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks DAREDEVIL is terrible, but I have seen it come up time and time again in these talkbacks as an example of a good and "faithful" comic book movie. If that's not the case then fine, I think we agree on the point I was making which is that whether or not Miller is a "fan" (I bet he actually is) is not really relevant.
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(I thought that would get your attention.) Seriously, these characters ARE so iconic that I would be just as thrilled if Michael Bay was directing this (assuming he would bring a more popular set of actors, for us in the geek-crowd). I'm really not a huge Michael Bay fan...but the man is arguably the most iconic visionary in all of Hollywood. There may be nobody better suited to capture an Alex Ross inspired vision for a Justice League flick. However, I'd still go with Peter Jackson and/or James Cameron. And since all those guys are all busy, let's get this train moving. Toot that whistle, George Miller.
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Boreanaz as Batman and Jensen Ackles as a Hal Jordan GL would be preferred. Boreanaz was my second pick for Batman (after Bale, naturally) when Batman Begins was in the works, and he essentially played Batman for 7 years on Buffy and Angel, although i think he'd be afraid of being typecasted. Jensen Ackles does resemble Hal Jordan and he's good on Supernatural. as for Megan Gale as WW, that doesn't give me much joy either. she's a model and i don't think she's EVER acted. looking like an Amazonian is one thing, but actually having acting chops is totally different. as for Supes, they could have casted Welling so they'd have someone who has played the character before, is well-known, and Shermdawg can finally stop bitching about unsociable hammers and whatnot.
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Nolan knew of the character (who doesn't?) but he himself said he wasn't a Batman expert, so he hired Goyer to cowrite. with Nolan and Goyer, you had that 50/50 split that i think helped make Begins such a great movie. as a film student myself, you can't let your fandom get in the way of making compelling films with interesting stories and you can't let your position as a filmmaker get in the way of the fan part of you that helps you keep true to the characters and the source material.
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Its not too late for Warner Bros to get it right. Change the casting on the big two now and it might work. As it stands this is going Catwoman wrong! And no, this is not the same as casting Keaton in Batman. At least he had more than a decade of acting chops under his belt.
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Heavily.
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It is more of a 50/50 split than anything,...not allowing one aspect to overpower the other,...in being true to what makes the character(s) so popular and being honest to one's self, as a filmmaker. Consider all, realize both.
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I think what you’re ultimately talking about is the self-fulfilling prophecy of hating something before it has even been made, a common occurrence here on these talkbacks. Often we see posts proclaiming a film garbage even before production begins and it really leaves some of these people nowhere to go. I remember reading the posts of those who insisted that Batman Begins would be awful and holding firm to their stance after the film was released. While it’s possible they genuinely disliked the film I think it probable they programmed themselves to hate it regardless of quality. To a lesser extent I think this happened with X3; once fans discovered Ratner was taking the helm after Singer left to make Superman Returns, they immediately went into bashing overdrive, insisting the film would be unwatchable. While I think X3 has its problems, many of those problems were actually introduced by Singer’s films and merely expounded upon by Ratner and regardless, the hyperbolic, seething rage directed at X3 has never struck me as particularly fair. I do believe that this movie could go either way and if Miller does make a decent flick many, many people would never admit it regardless.
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I've really got nothing to add to what you said - it's everything that I've been thinking but have only put out there in bits and pieces to the masses. That, sir, is why you have the black box. And the terrible power that comes with it. However, give Messi a break - the dude LOVES Green Lantern.
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before it came out. I ended up liking it.
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Who's playing Gleek? Or are they going with Marvin and that dog and his douche sister?
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thank the lord Peter Jackson & Sam Raimi are out of this picture...hope Weta is still designing the suits.
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if Miller et al. were actually making a Kingdom Come movie, and the announced cast members are actually playing the children of the greats.
Armie Hammer as Ibn al Xuffacsh? Brody as Kid Flash? Common as Steel?
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... for a fast turn around on this project. Half the bitching on the internet is over the cast and the problem of multiple incarnations of the same character happening at the same time.
The audience is already familiar and likes Michael Keaton and Tom Welling in their respective roles. They have "legitimacy" and credibility with the audience. That is a huge BIG FUCKING DEAL with this project. Nobody will confuse Keaton's Batman with Nolan's or Welling's Superman with Singer's. It clearly establishes different continuities. This makes everybody happy.
The second greatest voiced concern on the web is respect for the source material. That is where Paul Dini comes in to do a script polish and revision. Comic book writing and script writing are very different arts. Bringing in someone from the comic books wouldn't help, but Paul Dini is the most acclaimed script writer of these characters. Just hearing his name on board will make the fans rejoice. All of the fear and dread would instantly evaporate.
This simple Bats and Supes recast and the hiring of Dini solves 90% of the problems this movie currently has.
(The other 10% being the endless Hal Jordan vs John Stewart issue, which is frankly insolvable.)
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I agree with 85% of what you said
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Superman ages slower the more he absorbs yellow rays. Keaton can play 45. Welling can play 35.
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oh wait, he's busy eating. Again.
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Cain and Keaton. That'd be much better than what they got going now. Shit, get Teri Hatcher back in it, along with Pfeiffer as Catwoman. Anyone else dig this or is it just me?
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trying to give this thing some clout. I like those versions of the characters. Not the best, but I'd rather see that than what they got.
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Sean Connery as Vandal Savage, Alan Rickman as Felix Faust, and Tyler Mane as Solomon Grundy. I want classic baddies in this mofo
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And they can CGI me a big purple planet-eating starfish, while they're at it.
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Are pretty much sacred to me -- works of sheer genius and balls that completely kick the collective ass of my brainhole cosmos over and over again at their sheer awesomeness. If Miller can dredge that kind of passion up again for this, then were in for a treat. And even if its not a work of genius, I'm glad to see a seasoned pro filmmaker at the healm of this rather than some hackery hack. I can't believe people are dismissing him because Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome was softer and geared more towards mass audiences / younger audiences. Who cares? Its still an entertaining and action packed movie. Just kinda maudlin and eye rollingly corny at times.
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That's my thing, I attack alot of people. And Vern Bryan Singer wasn't obsessed with Superman, he was obsessed with Superman: The Movie.
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"I'm an adult". Probably a fat adult no? See I can make ignorant remarks too.
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i kinda have to roll my eyes when they consider Keaton for playing Batman again. Keaton made a great Batman despite the fear people had of Mr. Mom playing the Dark Knight. but isn't he a tad old for the role now? he's what, 56? if they even get around to doing a sequel, he'll be almost 60. and Cain has been looking rather pudgy these days. he'd have to become friends with Roger Clemens and start sitting on needles to get in Superman shape quick enough.
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Dean Cain? Tom Welling? CLINT EASTWOOD for Batman? And you think my sarcastic casting (sarcasting?) of Daniel Day Lewis in this was too over the top? Clint Eastwood didn't even really like playing Dirty Harry because he thought it was too much of a caricature, and he's your suggestion to dress up like a bat in a JLA movie? This is what I mean, you guys are being ridiculous fanboys here. Of course this isn't going to be Kingdom Come, KC is an elaborate comic-savant in-joke; the general public doesn't know Hal Jordan from Hal Holbrook, much less the JLA's future Elseworld meta-progeny... you might as well make a "faithful" big budget adaptation of the Spider Clone Saga. See, talkback does serve a purpose... when Jon Peters wants to make a Sandman movie and casts Vin Diesel as a spandex wearing, polar-bear fighting thug cliche, you guys reliably (and rightfully) flip out and scream bloody murder, and it makes sense and people listen. However, you don't know when to turn it off, so that when George Miller wants to cast mostly unknown younger actors in a JLA movie, you guys seize up with repressed PTSD flashbacks of Joel Schumacher and Uncle George bad-touching your childhood and throw up a protective wall in the form of impossibly high standards as you try to find a happy place inside. ...fuck, got carried away there, where was I... oh yeah. Get real. Whoever they're gonna cast, it's not going to be Keaton or Welling, and that is a GOOD thing. We're getting a superhero movie from the WB, which is reason enough alone to worry. The only ray of hope? George Miller is directing it, one of the few people who may be able to pull it off, and as far as we know, he's given his okay to this cast. And seeing the type of shit that you guys are suggesting they do instead, I am MUCH more inclined to trust his opinions than most of these talkbackers.
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that whole idea and children premise was Byron Kennedy the producer's. Miller is the one who always focused on the car-culture aspect. MM3 isn't a Mad Max movie.
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I am not against Megan Gale in the role since I have yet to see her in anything and can't judge her ability as an actress or if she even is one. But Megan Fox and Eliza Dushku are both young and attractive which is what they seem to be looking for with their cast choices. The only difference is that both of them have already proven that they are capable actresses and Eliza Dushku could pull off a lot of the action scenes. Megan Gale only has them beat by being quite tall and having an accent. As for Sean William Scott as Flash, why not? He is great as a smart ass in the many comedies he has been and he has a good physique as seen in The Rundown and Bulletproof Monk so I don't see how he is a bad choice at all. Besides Flash is gonna be killed off most likely in this one anyway going off the title and all the script reviews I have seen if they can be trusted. I will agree that I shouldn't have said Batman has to be either Keiton or Statham. But I do think both would be a good choice. Keaton mostly for nostalgia but Statham could do all the physical stunts Batman should have to do in the movie with ease and is a good actor as well. Not sure what problems you had with the rest of cast members I mentioned but I think they all would make better choices then what the studio seems to be going with so far. Of course most people on here have made better choices, joking or not, then the studio. I could see Dennis Haysbert being too old for the role of John Stewart but I think he would be great regardless. Hell what about Terrence Howard? He is a damn fine actor that could pull it off and then we wouldn't have to see everyone complaining about the movie featuring a rapper. One thing for sure is they have missed a golden oppurtunity by not casting Christopher Judge as the Martian Manhunter.
Oh wait, the best part...you said that BATMAN HAS to be either Keaton or JASON STATHAM!?!?!?! HAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAH
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People claim the cast is too young but when you look at the ages Brody is 27, Common is 35, Cotrona is 27, Hammer is young at 22, Gale is 31 and Keays-Byrne is 60. Other than Hammer the rumored cast seems about the right age or perhaps a little too old in Keays-Byrnes case.
Miller has directed all three Mad Max films so he can handle action, Happy Feet & the Babe films so he can handle the technology required and has directed things like Lorenzo's Oil showing he can handle straight drama too. Plus his remake segment in the Twilight Zone film was the best of the four.
With a film as expensive as this you were never going to get huge stars in the main roles and he has cast lesse known actors. Until we see the finished who knows how well his casting went.
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