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AICN Exclusive: The Martian Manhunter in George Miller's JUSTICE LEAGUE is...
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I got a tip-off today from someone close to the George Miller camp alerting me to a bit of news.
A small story ran in the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday that didn't seem to get much notice, but had some interesting information. The biggest news being that the name of the movie is now JUSTICE LEAGUE MORTAL... I'm thinking there might be a colon missing. JUSTICE LEAGUE: MORTAL maybe?
My source says that MORTAL is indeed tied to the film, appearing on official documents (sometimes representing the whole title... so it could also be a Blue Harvest situation). The story also lists a guy by the name of Hugh Keays-Byrne as appearing in the movie, but doesn't say who he'll play.
George Miller fans will remember Hugh from the original MAD MAX. He played Toecutter.
I don't think he's really been talked about at all, but I know who he is playing in the film. He's the one in the middle.
That's right. Hugh Keays-Byrne will play The Martian Manhunter.
Here's what Hugh looks like today... so imagine the below without the beard and hair:
I gotta say I dig this bit of casting more than any of the others... well, maybe except Megan Gale and her NSFW pics I got to post when she was cast as Wonder Woman.
From what I hear the movie's going ahead strong now that the writer's strike is over. I hope Miller pulls it off. He's earned some trust with me. I hope it turns out well.
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I'm not happy about this film being made. Leave Batman and Supes out of it and I'm all for it
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He also looks a bit like Billy Connolly in that pic
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Transformers was like a screen test for her to play a young Diana. She would have been right. Brody is fine for Flash, its the Batman casting that worries me.
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since the strike happened...and cause the old cast sucked? Oh yeah, no idea who this guy is, but he'll act circles around Common
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Keays-Byrne is one helluva performer. About time he got something high profile!
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In fact, I believe all the contracts for the actors that were already signed on ran out and moved on.
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...that neither Superman nor Batman will be in the film? That the team will be lead by Green Lantern and Green Arrow?
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For fuck's sake people, please just let this project die. No good will come of it, mark my words...
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oh well. I guess this guy's ok too.
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As Atom!!! He just emerged from Hugh's beard . . .
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Remember him when you look at the night sky.
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I hear that's untrue. They're still involved according to my sources.
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Kundalini... put her against the post.
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I think he should be, dammit.
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NIGHTRIDER!
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WHO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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the production was shaky. And aren't they not even starting until 2010? This movie is still a giant mistake.
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Thats one thing we never really get to see -- superhero bathroom techniques. I mean, superman's dookie must come out at like 100,000 miles an hour. LIKE A POOP BULLET! That should be one of Supes new powers -- SUPERDOOKIE!!! Hahaha! Yeah! I'm officially only 5 now! POOPIES!!! HAHA!
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"Easy... I know what I'm doing" Ah, now that's some great casting. This actually got me interested in this film, as previously I had little more interest in it than in a film with Paris Olsen of the week. Could it also mean that some other casting will change and - perhaps, hopefully - this movie's Justice League will not consist of pubescent children, after all?
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Now THATs your fucking movie right there. RIGHT! FUCKING! THERE!!!
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It wont even be funny. And Im not the usual "hate everything" AICN talkbacker... but goddamn, the insanity has to end.
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I have high hopes. It would definitely suck if they wrote out Superman & Batman. It'd just be a bunch of characters that the average person has no idea who they are, and would have a huge impact on ticket sales.
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The only way the Justice League can save the rec center is... you guessed it... put on an urban themed dance show with breakdancing and aerobics. Yeah! Peace! Love! Unity! And having fun! WOOOOOT!!!
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Feb. 25, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST
Oh, no... he actually said "Quit toying, Bubba"...!
by Stalin vs Predator
I cannot believe I forgot that line. Forgive me, Toecutter. I promise I never forgot the name of the Nigthrider. Also, I have just looked at the night sky.
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It was a flimsy idea in part 1 and you resurrect it for part whatever, the reboot? Bryan Singer should be fired from movies for two years, and then hired back on a trial basis. After the cokey gay emo martyr stuff wears off and he gets over himself.
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On second though, no, don't ruin Green Lantern. STAY AWAY!!!
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For the sake of DC movies, heck for comic book movies in general, somebody please kill this movie. <p> You have a huge majority of fans who either din't want this movie at all, or want to wait and and tie it into the solo franchises and only a very small minority who would actually like to see this current version of the project go ahead. <p> Everything, and I mean everything we've heard about this movie, from the casting to the story has been shockingly bad, and it's shitting all over the current Superman and Batman franchises and not only could it prevent future movies involving Bale and Routh in their respective franchises but could kill DC comic book movies altogether. <p> Kill this movie!
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I don't understand the hate for this project. Guys, it's George Miller. You know, the guy who made Mad Max. You know, that film that rips your head off and shits down your throat while fucking your gf? Yes, THAT George Miller. Show some respect. Peace, out.
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HAL agrees with me, by the way.
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Feb. 25, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST
I thought the delay caused the release of most of the cast?
by ShiftyEyedDog2
last i heard they were pretty much letting the announced cast go, and may have to start all over because it got pushed to the back burner.
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This movie is supposed to be fucking dead!! DAMMIT!! Is there a petition to kill this movie out there somewhere? I'll happily sign it.
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Is Singer gonna still do that with this movie coming out? I've been hearing rumors that Man of Steel is gearing up again.
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Fuckin' 1970s.
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And George Miller concentrates his talent on something that will actually be watchable.
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Cause he was so DAMN memorable in Drive.
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I guess. Don't fuck this up, miller.
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Better aim for the head this time
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Feck it anyway.....I mean nobody wants this movie, so why the hell is it happening?! Bring on Man Of Steel-Singers a smart guy, he seems to know what mistakes he made, so I have every confidence his sequel will be better....but this THING has ...to....STOP!! ITs insatiable-its THE BEAST! Its like that damn BO from Seinfeld!
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Benji with CGI enhancements and a $132,000 form-fitted cape could work.
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Feb. 25, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST
I can't believe someone actually supports this horrible project.
by Aethyrr
Flame on!
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are officially worse than trekkies(ers). It's painful reading sometimes. Please, More people posting interesting URLs, and less people with opinions coming out of their asses. please. . .
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Fact: Without them, this won't work.
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Jeez, they look like a bunch of smug assholes in that last picture. Alex Ross always makes Superman look constipated.
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sorry to say, but it aint gonna happen unfortunately for all of us. Bale is a little busy with Terminator now and has clearly said he would not be involved without nolan.
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im sorry, i was thinking someone a little taller and more built for martian manhunter, not someone who is like 60.
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BULLSHIT! Those of you who cannot except a Justice League movie without Bale or Routh are just dumb...that's done. Get past it. <br><br>QUESTION...do you REALLY think that Nolan's Batman fits in a world with the JUSTICE LEAGUE!?!<br><br>Just so you know before you attack...I love Batman Begins and think Superman Returns was less than okay. I'm also one of thsoe that HATES X-Men 3.<br><br>I don't know if this JL movie is gonna be good...but I certainly don't think Christian Bale belongs in it.
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Dude, I'm a trekkie, trekker and a DC Fanboy...what did we do this time? <br><br>Get to know some of us and you won't find us all the be the irrational bedwetters some make us out to be. I'm quite rational, but naturally still wet the bed.
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SuperHeroHype is reporting that Kevin Durand already shot his scenes as The Blob in X-MEN ORIGINS WOLVERINE.
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...so you just think that JL should not be made right? I just think it's OKAY (that is people that aren't stupid will understand) if you have 2 actors playing the same parts. <br><br>Doesn't bother me. I welcome it. <br><br>it's like Kevin Conroy doing the voice of Batman, I love him and he does a great job...but hey so did Jeremy Sisto in NEW FRONTIER. Another take is not a bad thing necessarily.
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...ain't too shabby. The water's real nice and Cartoon Network's Adult Swim is always on.<br><br>Also the "if it ain't on AICN" might affect you come election time, if you're in the states. I tried that in 2000 and for the entire year I thought that Bill Paxton was elected president.
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Bring the entire cast in, and do a real good film. You could do a Superman film without Superman.
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Holyfuckingshit!!! Also I never noticed that awesome "Milk Bar" signage homage to Clockwork Orange. That is fucking awesome too.
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Post of the day.
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that's what it is all about
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This is the worst idea in the history of movies. Kill it now. Kill it now. Kill it now. NOW. FUCKING NOW!!!!!!!!!!
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Dear God this is the first good news to come out in ages. Damn that original cast sucked ass. <p> Loved the OMACs though. Loved Common. Tolerated Brody. Everybody else needs to be shitcanned. Miller needs to be dumped too if he's stuck on that shitty cast.
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Most of you are not fit to lick Millers shit covered boots.
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Also I don't understand the "develop them as separate series" argument. They're talking about giving $200 million to a great director to make this movie, as far as I can see that's a gift to comic fans, right? But instead of accepting it you demand this fantasy of them making a separate series for each one of these characters. Shit, $100 million each for Aquaman 1-3, Green Guy 1–3, Super 2-3, Batman but not realistic so he will make sense with these other freakos 1-3, Martian Man 1–3, Wonder Woman 1-3, etc. Then when they are all done your plan is that you personally will really like all of these series and be happy with their casting, they will all have been successful and popular, the same actors will still be attached, willing and affordable for another movie, and their series will all be designed in such a way that when you put those characters together their universes as depicted in the other movies will fit together and the actors will all have chemistry together. And also it will be exciting to see them all together even though you've already seen all these characters separately in movies and they're not new anymore. By my estimate a conservative figure for the price of this venture would be 2.3 billion dollars not including advertising, and the chances of it all working out would be about 1 in 10,000. So I'm not sure you should hold your breath on that one although I do believe in following your dreams, so I guess keep hope alive fellas.<p> I know what you're gonna say. But the Avengers! But Vern, there's the Avengers! Avengers! Let me make you a bet on The Avengers. I am betting that if they make that movie, Edward Norton will not be playing the Hulk in it. You really think he's gonna be interested? And by the way, how do you know you're not gonna hate his Hulk just like you inexplicably did Eric Bana's? Seems to me you're counting your eggs before the hen that lays them is even hatched?<p> Another thing I don't get: the main argument in the beginning was that the movie was being rushed. Now the longer it takes the more you complain.<p> Anyway, as long as George Miller is making it I can't wait for this movie. But if he gets fed up and does Mad Max 4 instead I won't complain. Your loss.
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After seeing the Ironman trailers and hearing about Hulk, am I the only one excited about an Avengers movie compared to this bullshit? JL has bigger name heros with better back stories (except Flash and Aquaman- they both suck) and they still cant get this right. Even with that fucker Ari Avid- what ever the fuck his name is over at Marvel- an Avengers movie will be better. The only way this works with out Bale or Routh is if they go with an older cast, Batman a few years after BB & DK, Superman after SR. Having them middle aged and needing a team to make it thru another shithole day.
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Yeah, that's brilliant. I can't imagine why WB doesn't jump all over that.<p> In all seriousness, that is a good idea for Batman. The first rumors about the script had an older batman mentoring a younger Superman and Justce League. That would work fine. Supes doesn't age much anyway. We should never see a middle aged Superman unless they're doing an adaptation of Kingdom Come. Middle aged Batman, though, could be all kinds of awesome.
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That would solve all problems and Nolan-fan carping would instantly dry up and turn into raves. Paranoid, bitter, old Batman is what we want to see.
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With that being said, I'm having some trouble thinking this will work out. It's George, though, so I will absolutely go into this with an open mind.
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Feb. 25, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST
Fuck yeah Vern, you tell these fools
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
What he said you whiners.
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Feb. 25, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST
Okay, is it just me or does the Green Lantern look a little like
by thedarklinglord
Bruce Campbell?
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Can you post a complete list of casting so far? My heads spinning with all the names. And its been so long since last we talked about all this. All I know is Brody. & Common? The only 2 good castings thus far.
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than to put blind faith in a project just because of the director. This is Hollwood we're talking about. No studio would ever give George Miller this budget and these characters and say, "Go for it! You're in charge, buddy." And if this movie could just suck and fade into oblivion, then fine. But it could fuck up two other franchises in the process. Batman, obviously, and Superman. Yes, that's right. Superman Returns was fucking solid, haters. If not excellent, which it approached at times.
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This will suck balls. Christopher Nolan needs to kill someone.
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It's how this JLA idea got started in the first place. Damn you Singer! Why the hell couldn't he have stayed on X-Men 3 instead of doing a moronic hatchet job on Superman? Could anything be stupider than baby-daddy Superman and tramp Lois? Who the hell thought fans were clamoring for that? DAMN YOU SINGER FOR FUCKING UP THE SUPERMAN FRANCHISE AND THEREBY FUCKING UP THE ENTIRE DC UNIVERSE!
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yeah, your right. It's not like they gave this guy $100 mil to make a sequel to a movie about a talking pig, or singing penguins for that matter.
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Please. I'm ready to do it. END THIS MOVIE AND HIRE CAMERON, SPIELBERG, SCOTT OR JACKSON ON GREEN LANTERN!
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There is a way to do it. It's called Worlds Finest. <p> Before Justice League, make a worlds Finest movie with Bale and Routh. Do this movie after Bats 3 and Supes 3, providing enough time for WB to get Wonder Woman, Flash and Green Lantern up and running. <p> Worlds Finest is part test, part lead in for JLA. It's main purpose would be to introduce Batman into the larger, sci-fi world inhabited by the other DC heroes, and with Singers Superman to play alongside, it will take some work but it can be done, so that in JLA, when all the other heroes show up, batman won't look out of place. Worlds Finest is a way to introduce batman gradually to that world. <p> Then, when JLA comes around, Bats and Supes will have finished their solo projects and there will have been enough time for GL, Flash and WW to have at least one movie under their belts. <p> Martin Manhunter and Aquaman can then be introduced in JLA to spin off into their own movie later on. THAT's how you start the process of doing justice League. It's so obvious but instead of seeing it, WB are blinded by their need to beat Marvel, so once they heard about Avengers, they decided to rush justice league into production to get it out first, resulting in a movie with a terrible cast and a mediocre director.
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he's fucking up this movie and the possibility of great DC movies. Fuck you.
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Uhhh what? most of the people involved in Wolverine are known compared to these fucks. you saying hugh jackman, liev schrieber, dominic monoghan, ryan reynolds are unknowns? and wrong for the part?
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Feb. 25, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST
I can see some retarded exec putting an end to Nolan's Batverse.
by UMAGA
Which would be the biggest bullshit ever. Bale as Bats 4 LiFe. Seriously..and then they can transition into Batman Beyond.
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problem is that most people don't know the difference between parallel earths and will be wondering what the fuck is going on. it got confusing in the comics and led to two revamps and they think it will work in film?
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Poor baby, did I annoy you? Dude, look at Millers directing credits. That is a very impressive resume. I've no doubt he hasn't forgotten how to direct action.
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Incredibly bad narrative structure and not Superman. maybe you should read some comics before talking nonsense.
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The only bullshit was Supes having a kid. Waaay too early to even think of that.
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I'm gonna have to revoke my Post Of The Day award and give it to Vern instead. But you come a respectable second. I don't think you should feel bad about losing to something that great though. Just like no one nominated for best actor this year can feel bad about Daniel Day Lewis. That's right, Vern's post is the Daniel Plainview of this talkback.
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Your probably right about the many fine people here. Honestly, I feel thrilled at all the comic and sci-fi movies. All I care about is that each movie is a good movie in it's own right, and not so much about canon or casting the same guys or what ever. I just want good movies with the characters I love. As long as I get that, they can do as many different versions, reimaginings, et al as they can get away with. Also, I'm freaking out because I haven't gotten to see the new enterprise yet.
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$200Mil? George Miller? More time to develop it? Characters being recast? It seems pretty promising to me. <p>I don't care what anyone says, Babe (and Babe 2, for that matter) had some great film-making going on. Happy Feet was a little out there for a kid's movie, but still worked for it's intended audience quite well. I was just a bit disappointed that it featured old, over-cooked, classic rock. <p>IMHO, if you feel negative about movies intended for children, only because they're kid's flix, then you're missing out. You can see some of the same-type of dynamic action shots in both Babe and Mad Max, if you're able to recognise them. Like the brilliant chase scenes. Yeow!
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LOL @ ThaSithMaster. But from a pure marketing standpoint, a Burton's Batman & Smallville's Superman Mashup has a killer hook. Damn that would make money and is an easy sell. I would love to be in charge of that account.
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Feb. 26, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST
Sherm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by mansuper
Your Logic ceases to amaze me. Dwayne Johnson as Superman? You've got to be kidding. He will however be perfect as Black Adam in the Shazam movie that's in development.
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Feb. 26, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST
Babe II is the best Australian film of the nineties
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
It is spectacular, poetic, visually gorgeous, and extremely heartfelt. Most of the time all at once. Oh, and Mad Max II is the greatest Aussie movie of the eighties.
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Now get the Goose to play Wonder Woman. Justice League: Fury Road.
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looks stupid.
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...do you think that it just SHOULDN'T be done? As a fan, I'm fine with a Nolan "grounded in real world" Batman AND a more fantasy based grandiose Justice League Batman happening at the same time.<br><br>It's Batman, he's like Hercules. You can have a hundred different takes on him.
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...this movie was better was I was 10. All I'm saying is I'm still optimistic about this movie. The casting hasn't been wowing me by any means...but I trust George Miller. He makes good movies (YES! And more than just "one twenty years ago")
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I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, but not right now and not this version. And it doesn't need every hero to have standalone films and then combine them, just batman, supes, green lantern and flash. Martian Manhunter is only JLA anyway, and wonder woman can become the focal point of a JLA movie with Aquaman brought into the mix too. The thing you don't understand is that having them at the same time fucks one or the other up, this is easy for you, someone who knows what aicn is, but for the average person it isn't, and I rather not have this shitty JLA than it taint Nolan's batman and then fuck up the chances of a third batman film. Think about it, the idea of two batmen when One is the most awesome version ever is incredibly stupid.
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A reworked version of Tower of Babel. <p>A reworked version of that story where the JLA were split up as people, with a Kyle Rayner and a Green Lantern running around etc with those fourth dimensional aliens <p> A slightly reworked version of Starcrossed, that JL cartoon episode, good way to bring hawkgirl and hawkman into the mix, have them revolt against Thanagar and join the league. <p> Justice - Huge and more like a second sequel but seeing the JLA in Armor, the MetalMen armor is just badass.
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I thought he was a pretty decent Batman, actually.
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Does anybody believe THE DARK KNIGHT won't make about ten bazillion dollars? I don't consort with too many comics nerds but in my circle that's been one of the most anticipated movies since the moment Commissioner Gordon flipped over that Joker card and the previously silent audience I saw BATMAN BEGINS with exploded into applause. Everybody I know has been waiting for that movie and who knows what poor Heath Ledger's death will add to that interest. I don't think that series is at any risk. In fact the only risk JUSTICE LEAGUE poses to that series is if their Batman is somehow way better than the Christian Bale one. And if that happens who's gonna complain? Only people who hate excellence.
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By most accounts the film has a solid script, a great director, reasonable actors - why the hate. If you have a lot of characters you aren't going to get a ton of A-list stars. What Miller has gone for is people who work in the roles. I've lived through the whole Micheal Keaton is too small, Hugh Jackman is too tall and a song and dance man, Ian McKellan is wrong for Gandalf thing too many times. Until you see the film who knows if it's good, great or a turd? If it gets made and it's a turd then let loose but until you see the finished product all this vitriol is just fanboy whingeing of the most ridiculous kind.
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Saw this chick last night and i was thinking WW. Her english sounds good enough.
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Michael Keaton - Batman Tom Welling - Superman Flash - Topher Grace Wonder Woman - Lena Heady
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Kill this misbegotten movie now.
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There is one and only one reason to potentially object to a JL film, and that's if the script ain't good. Otherwise you naysayers should understand that just because YOU can't imagine the chosen actors in the roles, or the Miller's JL universe as separate from Nolan's, or whatever else you're claiming will suck, that hmm, maybe you can't imagine these things because your imagination is limited?<br><br>Hmm?<br><br>Just a thought.<br><br>As for the arguments of "Nolan's depicted fruits as apples! if Miller depicts fruits as oranges, it'll ruin the apples! then if <insert Singer substitute here> depicts fruits as wastermelons, it won't match the-- waghhhh! my head is exploding!" ...what kind of cretins are you? can Teen Titans the anime-style comic-based-on-the-cartoon exist with Teen Titans the non-anime-style comic? can Marvel Spider-Man Manga coexist with nonmanga Spider-Man? can the cartoon "The Batman" exist with Nolan's TDK? I feel I should go ahead and spell it out with dozens of more examples of multiple visions of the same material co-existing -- egads -- SIMULTANEOUSLY, because some of you are too stupid to realize that "confusing" is quantum mechanics. "Confusing" is existential philosophies. "Confusing" is NOT two different actors playing Batman in two separate films. Go cry about Parnassus why dontcha.
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My God. It's full of typos.
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But i don´t think this movie will exist.
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It's a conspiracy. <p> And Vern, yes there is a danger for the batman franchise...sure TDK will make lots of money but Nolan is still pissed at WB for going ahead with this Justice League farce and may not want to do a third movie.
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Lena Heady as Wonder Woman was my greatest wish. That would be too perfect.<p> Damn you Miller! Why must your casting skills be so shitty?? Onset of senior dementia? Too much hash?
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A lot of people, then. Transformers made $29.5 million in its first weekend,
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JLA will suck.
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TRANSFORMERS made $71 million in its first weekend<p>$319 million domestic<p>$706 million worldwide
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It's just politics...
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Is there some story I don't know about Nolan being a huge baby? He's been working on this trilogy, do you really think he would decide not to finish just because they were letting somebody else do a different super hero movie? That doesn't sound like a likely scenario to me.
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Hopefully if JLA (men in tights) does the business, Miller will be on track to make MM4 (utilising Reverso's awesome script and production art). At least there's a production office set-up in Oz, so hopefully development will be moving forward, albeit slowly. It's just an interminable wait for a film I'd guess most hard core Miller fans truly want to see. JLA is one superhero franchaise that just does'nt do it for me.
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Can we please, please, PLEASE end the obsession with Donner's unbelievably overrated movies? Seriously. Fire Singer, fire Routh, hire someone who's willing to make a Superman movie that isn't some weird gay martyr emo coke binge aftermath wankfest that manages to be boring? Singer needs to be suspended from making films for at least 2 years. 2 years without coke and underage Malaysian boy prostitutes. Just him alone, in a room, with nothing but Stanley Kubrick films to watch. Kubrick's genius should be able to cleanse Singer of his self-obsessed hackery. After his reeducation, he can be released back into the world to make another film. Something small scale. Perhaps dealing with the ravages of cocaine addiction and the gay hollywood club scene. Oh! I know! An Oscar Wilde biopic! Poifect!
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I'm not really familiar with the guy's work. I know he makes family pics about animals. But seriously, apart from directing The Road Warrior decades ago, what has this guy made that is actually worth all this praise and excitement? Can anyone let me in on it?
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And from what I've seen I'm weary. As people have pointed out, most of the cast are WB type models. Maybe they'll step up to the plate but I'm not optimistic. I get the whole trust Miller argument, since he has made some damn fine movies in the past, but from what (admittedly little) we've seen, I'm not too impressed.
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Did you seriously compare comic books and cartoons shows coexisting and then bring that analogy to multi million dollar films? There is a huge difference you dumb fuck. They are incredibly labourous and expensive and rather than move on a stupid idea like this, they should focus their films and start by making a mega huge Green Lantern movie.
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Apart from a giant robot? It would be an out of time Harrison Ford circa 1980. But considering I hear that is impossible...for the moment I have no diea who would play him. Everyone including myself were saying Nathan Fillion except the dude is too old and would only play in one movie. I'm sure there's a decent young Harrison Ford-esque actor out there.
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...we're all getting old. Probably most of the people on this board weren't born thirty years ago...
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(heh,heh) Seriously, though, this does sound like cool casting news. Not sure how everything else will round out. I know that few could "see" it, here in the talkbacks, but I would have loved to see an Alex Ross inspired JUSTICE LEAGUE with Kate Winslet as Wonder Woman (along with her battle armor from KINGDOM COME). Anyhow, this project is a "wait and see", for me.
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I want my Guy Gardner!!!
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I'm just waiting until someone does an honest to god review of the script before I dismiss or champion JLA. I think WB has woefully mismanaged the pre-production PR campaign for JLA by being deaf to internet concerns. And for no real good reason. I have faith in George Miller and WETA to deliver a good looking and exciting film, but there has to be something there to work with. And, if there is, I expect things will turn around just as quickly as they did when the first Batman teaser trailer hit in early 1989. I do agree that if you want to do a teamup movie the best way to make it actually happen is to just do it. Not rely on a half dozen separate franchises working out and not stepping on each others toes. And with actors that will never age and be perpetually 30.
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...this was a super sxxt idea for a movie, then I remembered that they want to make movies out of board games. Surely the bottom of the barrel has been scraped so hard by now it must only be a millimeter thick sliver of wood holding it all in?
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...always have to be played by an old, fat guy??? Oh well, at least it isn't Majorl Winchester from MASH this time. Still, looks like it'll be a portly Manhunter again. Oh, and by the way (and I know it's getting old, but it's no less true)... this movie WILL (DoubleYou-Eye-Ell-Ell) SUCK!
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If memory serves, Patrick Sauriol got his hands on the first 14 pages of the script and reviewed them on the UGO website...he seemed to like what he read. Glad to hear from Quint that Supes and Bats are still in the movie - if they fit the role well, I don't give a shit who plays them.
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You should all have some real problems in your lives to worry about and stop wringing your prissy hands over your superhero movies.
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Lawrence Fishburne. Nuff said!
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I called it first.
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Weta isn't doing the effects, Weta Workshop are making the costumes. But apparently Sony pictures Imageworks are the lead effects company and they are the fucking worst major effects company there is.
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I fail to see how this won't come off looking like a big-budget episode of Power Rangers.
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Sony Imageworks has done the majority of effects work for all Spider Man movies, Starship Troopers (!), Superman Returns (despite the suckitude, Supes savings the airplane remains one of the most exciting effects shots since anything from ROTK), and I Am Legend (ok, the vampires sucked, but empty NYC rocked)...I'm not too worried about the effects, and WETA will provide SOME effects work in addition to the costume design, just not the majority.
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A JLA movie without the regular Superman and Batman actors is insane. Apparantly, the in-development Green Lantern and Flash films won't tie in to Justice League either. The whole point of JLA is about familiar heroes teaming up. Without Bale or Routh, this will just be some faux dudes and some other characters who haven't been seen on the big screen before. JLA is not X-Men or the FF. It's the Avengers (which Marvel do seem to have a sensible plan for). If people like Wonder Woman in JLA, won't they be disappointed to see someone else in the role if they then do a solo flick? This whole project stinks, and Miller hasn't made a decent film for adults since Thunderdome in 1985.
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...but at least they're trying to weave a universe over there. DC should take some notes. And fuck you, Friendo.
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australia is getting tired of being ripped off by hollywood, so the production is moving to canada...which i dont get, cuz with a weak dollar, its now cheaper to film productions here...
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Bale DOESN'T WANT anything to do with a JLA movie, even if it was offered to him wrapped in a big bow made out of money, as he's on record as saying that he finds the whole concept of Batman in the JLA stupid. Likewise Nolan doesn't want his Batman films in any way connected to any JLA film series, and again Bale supports him on this. So Bale will never do a JLA movie, so all those bitching that a non Bale JLA will automatically suck are also saying that no JLA movie should be made, ever. <p>Likewise Routh will never play Superman in a JLA movie because it's borderline right now if there will ever even be a sequel to Superman Returns, and many at Warners want to cut all ties to that movie in regards to the future use of the Superman character anyway. And as far as a sequel goes, Warners will only make one if Singer really wants to do it and can do it on a more reasonable budget and make it into more of an action film, and commits to do so within a certain window, if not then no sequel, and Routh's Superman career is over, which it more than likely is. Instead they will use the Superman from the JLA movie in a spinoff Superman movie, if the actor is well recieved in the role. That's the plan anyway.<p>As for Tom Welling playing Superman, again, never gonna happen, as not only do Warners not want to cross contaminate what they consider to be an all new property in JLA and a relaunch for many of the characters, with linking it to older properties, but Smallville's Gough and Millar have stated before that they consider Smallville to be a closed continuity and want to keep it that way. Also it has long been heavily rumoured that the final scene of Smallville has long been planned to be Clark finally putting on the Superman suit, and again I doubt they'd want to kill what the entire show has been leading up to (if they're allowed to do that scene at all by the time Smallville ends) by allowing Welling to play Superman on the big screen. Additionally once he played Superman that kills the show dead in the water, as he could never go back to "just" playing a non-supes Clark Kent on tv. Therefore, Welling, not gonna happen.<p>Personally I've heard the script is actually really good, and I also hear that the concept art kicks much ass as my former drama teacher is good friends with one of the guys who's doing concept art and storyboards on this (or at least was as of november last year). Likewise I think Miller is a damn fine director, though the casting is, largely, an unknown quantity at this point. Still I'm at least willing to wait and see something solid before I start declaring that it's guaranteed to suck. On the upside if this turns out good it's going to be lots of fun watching all the backflipping at least...
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Feb. 26, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST
I didn't care about this until I saw the name
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
George Miller attached. I'd say we need a movie version of Give Me Liberty, but too much of it has already become reality, and it won't take much longer for the rest of it to be either.
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That's exactly my point. No Bale = Do Not Make. I don't want to see another Batman, ESPECIFUCKINGLY a young one. Plus, I think Adam Brody's hilarious, but Ryan Reynolds should be Wally West and that's all there is to it. "JL" has a promising script, sure, but this casting ordeal has been atrocious, with precious few exceptions. And I don't wanna see any goddamn spin-offs from this guaranteed train wreck. I don't want some kind of quasi-continuity. Either do it or don't do it. And they can't do it, so...
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this guy is a martian right? What kind of a magic, rainbow-fantasy world does this comicstrip take place in? The idea of mars populated by little green men (or middle-aged, portly green men) has been ridiculous for half a century. So is this movie supposed to be a big campy joke?
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he made the single greatest action film(s) ever (MM1+2 as one story) and for that alone he has my utmost respect forever (though i like his other films too), just like Tobe Hooper making the greatest horror with TCM and not much afterward but a few goodies, eaten alive, salem, poltergeist... not sure bout the last one.
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I commend him (Miller) on his choice.
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"Never heard of 'im ... owww!"<p>"Ill say the name and you say yes or no. Wonder Woman."<p>"Cough. Yes."<p>"The Flash."<p>"Cough. Cough. Yes."<p>"Snapper Carr."<p>"Hack. Yes."<p>"Where?"<p>"The wastelands. Looking for fuel..."
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Sledge Hammer - Bringing up Smallville makes no sense. This season is supposed to be its last. It may go one more, but that's it. No cast is signed beyond next season and half the cast isn't signed beyond this one. There was never any chance of the SV series playing at the same time or after JLA came out, because SV would be over by then. The show is already "killed dead in the water" by May 2009. Plus, what Gough says he wants is irrelevant. He has nothing to do with the film division. His desires and plans mean nothing to them. <p> Robo-Routh is collecting permanent unemployment checks. He's neither talented enough, nor charismatic enough to have anybody want to hire him. He is dying to jump into JLA, just to get off food stamps. He would add a black hole of suckiness to the movie, but technically it could be done. Only the desire to keep Singer's stink from contaminating and torpedoing another franchise has kept this from happening.<p> A new actor as Supes might be interesting, if that actor weren't a latino midget.<p> A new actor as JLA Batman might be inevitable, if only that actor weren' a teenage giant.<p> I know you want your friend to get work or whatever, but there is no excuse for this cast.
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"I've seen him lick his eyebrows clean!"
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Hey, what happened to that guy anyway?
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Like Beowulf? Use digital versions of real actors faces? Why not do something crazy like digitally use actor's faces when they were in their prime. Or create composite models made up of mashups of different actors. Imagine Supes looked like Marlon Brando in his prime, or Paul Newman in his prime as Green Lantern. Bale can keep the Batman job. Actually hybrid cgi Brando-Newman could be a Batman. Man, I'm losin' it. BUt seriously, if it is gonna be one of them thar CGI dealies, theres all kindsa crayzay shit they could do what with digital eyelash rendering and the like. That is, if they're going to go ahead with this CG thingee.
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No but seriously, wasn't Carpenter's last movie GHOSTS OF MARS? I actually kinda liked it even though it was stupid.
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Miller is going to make a heavily CGId movie that is geared more towards younger viewers (say like 8-15, maybe 13-15) and the "grown-up" (used w/ sarcasm) are going to "hate" it because of this. How much you wanna bet? I just hope Miller does a good job whatever the tone. Theres alot of cool, fun, thrilling stuff that could be done.
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I was so sure that this thing was dead in the water. Nope. Looks like they're bringing it out to flop.
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Everybody complains that having two different versions of Batman (Nolan's and JL's) will confuse the movie going public, and that they want Hal Jordan not John Stewart... well I have a simple solution. Make all the heroes black except for Green Latern, he can be the token white guy. With a black Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc. no one will mistake this for Nolan's Batman and we will get Hal Jordan. Oh yeah and keep Lois Lane some sweet ass white chick who wants Superman. Once you go Kryptonian Black you never ever ever go back.
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A few months ago it emerged that Nolan was pissed that WB were going ahead with JLA before he finished his own Batman movies, feeling that having another Batman in a separate franchise undermined what he was doing and that if the movie kept moving forward, that he was considering not coming back for a third Bat-movie. <p> WB later came out and said that Nolan was happy and fine with it all (and knowing WB, who never respond to anything unless there's some truth to it), but with Ledgers death and JLA up and running again, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Nolan didn't come back for a third film. Oh and about the whole cgi movie thing...uh, that was me. I sent in a fake report to IESB and Moviehole saying that JLA would be mo-cap cgi, and half the web ran with the story. <p> I was then going to reveal the truth to AICN, since you guys were the only ones not to be stupid enough to report it, but my computer crashed so the rumour just went on and on before eventually fading away. JLA was never going to be cgi.
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Feb. 26, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST
As the Bastidge who originally broke this F'N film's cherry...
by genro
<p>...it. Aint. Happenin.</p><p>Talk to whoever you want. WB now realizes Miller, like Romanek on Wolfie or Vaughn on X3, got cold feet and was looking for an out. Once the stall happened, Batman took a priority, Superman was splintered off and look which characters you were left with - the ones Silver has the rights to. Wow. What a kowinkydink.</p>
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cause I never liked the idea of Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman.Sure he nailed the role portraying Wayne as a bit eccentric and sometimes went over the top, but physically speaking, the guy's face was too flabby and he could barely move in that damn condom suit.Batman need spandex after watching the Fan film Dead End, I'm more than convinced of this.<p> Justice League mortal sounds too comercialized. (Mortalllll Justicceee..!)Hopefully Marvel will bring out the Avengers, that's what I'm really looking forward to.
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<p>Norton was offered Hulk when Ang was making his flick and passed, so it's not about some creative outlet. It's about m-o-n-e-y. Norton gets better percentages from indie financed films like The Illusionist and a more flexible schedule.</p><p>What needs to be understood is that Marvel and WB are not making superhero movies with the same business model. WB is looking for one tentpole franchise to supplant another the following year and then rotate. Marvel sees each flick as a sequel to the previous because they will all inhabit the same universe. So Norton and Favreau are not planning on making a trilogy of Hulk and IM films, but a pair that could lead to a new deal for an Avengers movie. For the talent getting involved with Marvel, it's about job security - can I bank on returning to this character in a the next few years, or am I going to be like Maguire and Bale and have to plan my life around a studio gig? This is why there's a good shot of Damon as Cap - he won't be as locked down as he was with Bourne.</p>
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Singer is gone, the studio is just saving face for him and themselves. This is what FOX did for Burton and POTA, Sony did for Emmerich and Godzilla. And Welling has a massive chance to be Supes because he'll be free from Smallville, (playing Supes in the Singer movie while Smallville was still on meant Millar and Gough got say and some action from the movie).
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You can't do that!!!! Big fucking babies, the lot of you. Who cares.. No Bale, no Routh- No problem. Jesus you act like that's the only people on earth who can play the roles.
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and finish up by tossing your Dad's salad. Yeah I said it. You made the Pea's touch My Corn. That equals Death!!!!
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Scoop the shit out of your ears and the dick out of your eyesocket and maybe you'll be able to focus long enough to understand my post above. I was comparing purely on the premise that different takes of the same characters can exist at the same time without confusing anyone over the age of 5. The fact you missed the point of the argument says it all. You are exactly the type of nerd who needs his mashed potatoes to taste them everywhere he goes.
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comon'
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And just transitioned Smallville into a Superman movie franchise, the same way they did star trek tng. You would have had welling as supes/clark kent, Michael Rosenbaum as Lex, Erica Durance as Lois, and cool villians such as James Marsters as Brainiac! Not to mention, smallville's low budget version of the justice league, could have included a few more of the original league plus wonder woman and bats. The warners dropped the ball, and have lsot their dominance in the superhero market!
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David Ogden Stiers?!?!?
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...for not including the two people that carried that show. (Allison Mack and John Glover)
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Last I heard there was, in all liklihood, going to be a season 8 (minus some regular cast members who would still likely guest star on occasion), and if so then surely Welling would be filming that at the same time that this is filming, hence making him unavailable anyway. But you guys have a point, if the show is over by then then I guess they could concievably use Welling if they could sort out scheduling. Right or wrong, I doubt the suits at Warners would want to risk this being looked at as if it's Smallville the movie though, despite how well suited a few of the cast are to their roles on that show.
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Pick a random episode of Smallville...doesn't matter which one. Watch it and I guarantee that you will find a scene where Wellings Clark stares at the person he is supposed to be talking to, looking all confused like he's trying to remember his lines.
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You seem sure you know what you're talking about so I'll take your word for it that you do. My question is, if George Miller "got cold feet" then why is he in the Sydney Herald trying to convince the Australian government to make it possible for him to film JUSTICE LEAGUE there? Sure sounds like he's trying to get it made.<p> As for getting the guy from TV to do a Superman movie, please tell your inside man to tell them to forget that shit right now. I think I speak for all citizens of the world other than the people who watch that show when I say sorry bud, not gonna watch that shit. You will be lucky if it does as well as SERENITY.
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Also when you say to "ask anyone" does that include Variety? Because they have a story today stating that the script is being polished, the actors have been told to continue training and George Miller is in pre-production because they are "full speed ahead" and plan to release it in 2009. I feel that this information appears to contradict what you have stated.
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Sometimes you crack me up Vern. You really do. <br><br> You know damn well a Smallville flick would make 70mil easy due to the Superman name alone. You can't seriously compare characters that are as well known as those, to Firefly... a franchise that is still pretty gawd damned obscure to the non-geek masses. And when you figure in that it would be given a fraction of Singers budget, a shorter running time, and the fact that it has a built in audience of tv viewers and those who followed the show via dvd, there's a pretty good chance it would be an enormous hit... as well as fuel dvd sales of the season sets, and newly released "best of" packages for those who'd rather skip the soap elements of the show. Sure Smallville has it's fair share of problems, but they can be ironed out before any bigscreen leap with a little retcon here and there. <br><br> Just like your posts in the G.I.Joe talkbacks, you really have no idea what you're talking about.
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some green paint and it is done!
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Did you seriously compare Smallville to Firefly in the business side of things? Smallville is an incredibly popular show. Who knows what Serenity/Firefly is? Tell me. Second it's Superman, it's far bigger in itself than Firefly.
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You idiot. you shut the fuck up since you missed my point and only continue to prove how fucking stupid you are. There is a massive fucking difference in the investment put into a cartoon and a comic book co existing and then two major film franchises co existing. This is why you will not be involved in the film industry. People still think Batman begins is a prequel you dumb fuck, and people ask if it's an alternate timeline.
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Maybe a random episode of season 1, but since season 3 he IS Clark Kent. He brings a realism to the ultimate noble hero without making him corny. He is just a good person, a shining light of humanity in every little aspect but something we could all do if we tried, maybe if you watched some episodes from season 5 onwards you'd see he can act, besides he'd only have to play Superman not Daniel Plainview which is easier than the post crisis Clark Kent he already plays to perfection. And maybe you should watch that episode where he goes all paranoid and convinces you that a paranoid superman is fucking scary. He can act.
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Are trying to mop up all the money they have lost from researching/developing Superman movies over the last few years. The Nic Cage/Burton project cost around $40 million in pre production development before aborted. Superman Returns (all $200 million of it!) lost money- and I really don't think would have made its money back via DVD and merchandise. If the JLA Superman is popular- that actor will appear in Superman spin off films as well as JLA sequels. There will be no sequel to Superman Returns. WB have been making money out of Superman from merchandise, comics, TV shows (cartoons, Lois & Clark, Smallville) for yonks. The one profit area has been cinema, the last Superman film to make money was Superman 3- and that was 25 years ago!
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Dammit, I thought the strike would flush this used tampon of an idea, but I guess George 'Oscar Winner' Miller forced it through.<p>Look, I would love to see a great superhero team up movie...but these kids they've got playing the parts smacks of 'it's working on Smallville, so let's do it on the big screen'. And guess what? It looks pretty dopey on Smallville. See, what pisses me off is that they didn't let the Smallville guy BE Superman. I mean shit, he's really good at it by now, and he got the nod from Reeve a while back.<p>Sorry that Bryan Singer didn't have a man-crush on him, but the producers need to slap that kid around and tell him that IT MATTERS what the fans think. But by the box office I think he got it. Hopefully, he'll pull his head out of his ass and direct Superman 6 like X-Men 2....<p>George Miller directed Mad Max 1, 2, and 3. But, he also directed Babe. There hasn't been a balls to the wall action flick out of this guy in years...Has the pig softened the god of post-apocalyptic action? I guess we'll see. This has my money, because it's superheroes. But I'm worried about the children he's casting in these roles. (With the exception of Manhunter, who's pretty bad-ass I must admit). I don't know...
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He's a little old to be playing the Karate Kid these days. Of course, he might be better at playing the Invisible Actor. Or, as a new supervillain: Deadcareer.<br><br> Batman: "Feeling sleep. What's happened?"<br><br> Superman: "A wave of intense boredom and disinterest has been projected at us by D-List!"<br><br> Batman: "Sheesh? Hasn't he used up his fifteen minutes yet? I'm tired of him already."<br><br> Superman: "That's his mysterious power!!!"<br><br> You know, something like that.
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And I might actually enjoy it. But Ironman will own the Justice League. Huzzah!
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When I saw the people being considered for the roles, it looked like 'Teen Titans'. I mean, I have faith in George Miller, and in the past well done team superheroes movies are cool (Like for example The Incredibles) and did great at the box office.<p> I just have this gut reaction to the Superfriends: The Movie that most halfway normal guys do...Yeesh, people are going to laugh this out of theaters.<p>My suggestion for this movie stands, put George Miller in charge of this thing, but do it Beowulf style! Because you change Batman and Superman between flicks, the moviegoing populace is going to remember that little gimmick from the old Batman franchise, and it's going to smear good comic films with a wide spray of shittiness. I don't want another Batman and Robin, though the evil dark heart of me would LIKE something truly shitty to make fun of again...I'm just not fired up to see a bunch o' kids playing superheroes that are traditionally adults. It sounds like George Miller's 'Justice Leage Babies' to me.
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1. Write out Bats 2. Write out Supes And you lot start stressing saying that without those two there is no JL, ever read JLA: The Nail. I know, it's an Elseworld. And PS. Not all incarnations of JL, had the big two in them. In fact up until recent years, they were not founding members. They could join for a sequel. 3. Adam Brody must not be allowed to play Wally West. Period.
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I don't see it. Maybe if she took the shirt off...
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And hate for the haters? HAH! I SOOO wanted to love SR. I still think Singer did brilliant work on US and XM1&2 and even AP! But SR? Ok, decent direction and a watchable idiot-flick but brilliant? Bollocks! Horrible screenplay plain and simple. One moment, Supes, just standing on a continent a good portion of which is Kryptonite, gets his ass beat by Lex and Kumar....and then 20 minutes later...with same Kryptonite now in plain fucking view in his face...lifts this continent-sized mass of kryptonite and rock into orbit. So kryptonite then only affects Supes given the convenience of the screenplay (even Smallville drops Kent the moment he gets near the K). In SR, this is weak storytelling. Yet another bullshit land-ass-grab from Luthor. The entire concept shoved firmly up the ass of the Donner films. The horrible casting of Lois (she was 23!!! and obviously so!) and Luthor (Spacey apparently was only a good casting choice on paper). And honestly, Luthor, supposedly one of Superman's greatest enemies...still can't get anything but moron goons for helpers? Was it that way in the comics cause I don't know but it doesn't work now if he's supposed to be a "super-genius" wouldn't you think? <p><p><p>Also, and maybe it's me, but just one of those crystals grew that giant ass continent...but of course when the remaining six or seven got dumped by Parker out of the chopper, and then the entire plateau piece falls into the ocean...the crystals don't do shit do they? Or are we supposed to presume Supes got them all first? While he was simultaneously ignoring the kryptonite growing right at his face. Must I go on?
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Before he lifted the continent of Kryptonite off the earth, Supes flew to the Sun getting Super-charged first knowing the scale of the feat that awaited him. That's how I always read it. And btw, it nearly killed him. So, IMHO, I don't think that was a plothole.
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Was kind of shitty. But more for doing things like shitting all over Superman. Like, making Lois a single mom...and Superman's the dad....Lex Luthor stomping the shit out of Supes was cool, but the guy playing him was a femme. And Superman's not the story about 'gays are people too', that's X-Men, no doubt about it...Superman's a story about a foreigner coming to America and living up to the American Ideal. Truth, Justice, and All That. Superman Returns makes Superman a nebbishy, complex, person, instead of the pinnacle of humanity/icon he's supposed to be. I liked it all right, but only because it was fucking Superman...It's just not the same as any other Superman around.<p>The krypton-crystals didn't really make kryptonite, they made 'pseudo-kryptonite'...So, whatever. The whole throwing a continent into space thing was a little weaksauce, but only because the major action sequences before that were so kickass. The plane scene was pretty dynamic. Throwing a big rock into space pales in comparison....Get better screenwriters, and that won't happen.
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You're right, I was talking trash, my SERENITY/SMALLVILLE: THE MOTION PICTURE comparison was exaggerated. But my point is that I went and saw SUPERMAN RETURNS, I would even see a sequel to that even though I didn't think the movie was that great (for the opposite reasons of Micturating Benjamin - the stuff he mentioned was what I thought was interesting, but I didn't like how they mostly just aped the overrated Richard Donner movie).<p> I imagine many people's reaction would be like mine and would go something like this: "Oh a new Superman movie? Why does he have bangs? Oh, it's a different guy. Oh, I get it, it's the guy from that teen soap opera they used to have. That's weird." This would be followed by never seeing the movie or thinking much about it again. The end.<p> I mean shit, why not do a movie version of Lois and Clark? That was hugely popular too. Let's do that. And use Lou Ferrigno as the Hulk in the new Hulk movie.
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...have to come up with logic to explain a bad script you didn't write. It's like trying to convince yourself that your horse-toothed girlfriend really is pretty when she closes her mouth or that her boobs don't look as fat when she lies on her back.
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I read about the guy who's playing Batman for JL but who are the other castmembers?
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A simple Google search will show you that Superman Returns made almost $400 million worldwide, with a production budget of 270. Warner turned a profit on just the movie, not to mention all the other tie ins and DVD sales. Not sure why I AM ROCKO thinks otherwise. I'll give JLA a chance as long as its not made by Ratner, and i certainly would see a Superman sequel.
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they would scrap this and make a Kingdom Come flick instead. Maybe in 10 years we'll get that one...hopefully.
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Lois and Clark was not as popular as Smallville and back then they were aiming at something else, the superman death movie. And bangs what? I think they would cut Welling's hair, and the reaction would be more like 'yes! the dude from smallville' it's a huge show and Welling is a fucking brilliant Clark Kent. But i don't want a smallville movie, at least not now.
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He still had the kryptonite shiv in him. IN HIM! He wouldn't be able to move but he lifted a fucking island. He wouldn't be able to move to recharge. Apart from being badly written, it was just a badly made film.
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The show has its flaws (like Lana and M.O.W. syndrome), but they GET the character of Clark Kent/Superman, and they've established a level of development that even the comics can't always manage, as often as they change creative teams and fuck with continuity themselves. While watching the show, I have no doubt that the TV Clark will one day become Superman, and the show has on many occasions given me those genuine Superman moments of wonder that made me forget that it's a retconned TV series. Not only that, they have a Lex Luthor with an actual character arc and genuine depth, which neither of the big screen Luthors have managed. I think both actors are perfectly suited to their roles, and I believe that a movie spawned by the series would be a tremendous hit. It's thoroughly ignorant to suggest otherwise. As someone else said, Superman is Superman. The only reason RETURNS was a "disappointment" was they clung to a 30 year-old film version that didn't translate to the current generation, and then had Superman do a bunch of shit that Superman would never do because the director didn't really get the character. SMALLVILLE is a very popular, of-the-moment show, it has nailed the essence of the character of Clark Kent, and there are already many people - including non-comic fans - who have a lot invested in it. A SMALLVILLE movie could only be a smash success.
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Just because you hire someone who is 60 and it raises the average age of the cast from 20 to 22, doesn't mean he isn't putting together the OC version of the Justice League. Someone should tell Miller that 15 year old girls aren't his target audience.
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I don't want it because I know they wouldn't do it right and hire some hack director etc. And yes it has given many many moments of superman wonder. Some of my favourite moments of anything have been from the show. It's the first time we get to see Superman do the stuff he can actually do. The first time he flies is the first time he flew the way he should, at mach 3. The future vision of Supes going into a vortex to begin his new life on another solar system. Luthor/Zod smashing Supes through the window and flying away which was BADASS. Clark and his dad in the first superbrawl and columns breaking down and walls coming down - Badass. And the ultimate. Clark saving the kid from the damn which was pure Superman. And the development of the characters at least Clark and Luthor has been nothing of incredible, especially Luthor. I have never really liked Luthor, his origin and as a character is two cheesy and one note, but he is after all the first major comic book villain. But Smallville has reinvented him and made him into a villain worthy of standing beside Dr Doom. Like they said in one of the first episodes, becoming evil is a journey not a lightswitch and over the 100 hours plus of episodes the transisition has been amazing.
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That was a moment. The music, the shots and the size of the fortress.
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and FUCK THIS MOVIE. Shelving this movie was the best thing they could've done. Respect Nolan and chill out, unless you want another F4 POS.
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Megan did her last catwalk show last night complete with her new black hair and all I say is nobody on earth could complain she doesn't look the part ... DAMN!
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Yes mate, you are right that Superman Returns made around £$390 million worldwide, however I believe that a feature film needs to recoup around four times of its budget to turn in a profit. Now yes, perhaps SR made a profit when you add in TV rights, merchandise, DVD etc and I do not want to get bogged down discussing numbers- because we all know it is the quality of the film that counts, but I reckon WB do feel that SR underwhelmed and in terms of money "did not knock it out of the park"- perhaps this is why they are going into a JLA movie and have not fastracked a sequel to SR. Despite flaws, I did really enjoy SR and I would see a sequel. However, I also think that WB missed a trick by not waiting until Smallville had finished on the small screen, and then had Millar and Gough develop a movie with Welling, Rosenbaum and Durrance. That way it could have been sold to Smallville fans- but also for those who had no idea about the show, they see the ads, they see Superman and they feel "oh potentially cool summer flick." Covered both basis. And for those Smallville haters- that show is the longest running show based on the character of Clark Kent and concept of Superman EVER...
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Even with those that couldn't give two shits about Smallville because of it's soap elements, it would still be successful. There's no way the film would be anymore lovey dovey than any of the previous films. Did you ever think that because there were so many restrictions on where they could take the storyline, as well as being kept on the air a bit too long just to keep the WB and CW afloat, and most importantly because it was focused on Clark's teenage years, the show had to delve into Dawson's Creek territory? I'm sure Gough and Millar are well aware that if they were given the ball, they'd have to give the naysayers as well as the fans what they wanted. And believe it or not, that is the same thing. <br><br> Good word of mouth will bring back the people that passed on the property. <br><br> And as far as bigscreen adaptations of Lois and Clark, like messi said, that was nowhere near as popular as this. <br><br>And regarding the Hulk... If Bixby was still alive, despite his character being killed off already, a film focusing on an elderly Banner, would've been hella interesting.
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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Lois pull the shiv out before he flew up to the sun? I am not ashamed to say I like the film, it had flaws but I wouldn't called it badly made, just lacking in thrills. But hey, I've been having this fight with folks for nearly 2 yrs now so I'm content to one of a significant number who disagree with you. Agree to disagree? Oh and on Smallville - I hate that show, no offense but I see it as the Dawson's Creekification of the Superman myth. Durrance confuses acting with having fake tits and overacting, Welling is made of wood. But I'll give the show this, the Kents and the Luthors are great. Lana Lang though has always been a deeply stupid, unsympathetic tedious character in the show and some of the plots beggar belief. Sorry.
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Only Smallville fans want a Smallville movie. Everyone else simply wants a great SuperMAN movie which I will admit Returns was not.
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Do you really think a Smallville film would be about Superboy? The only reason Clark hasn't became "a man" yet (on the show) is because thats pretty much offlimits territory. And if they are allowed to go there, what would be keeping them from making a great Superman movie? The show has brought more depth to the characters than any of the films.
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IMHO, Welling is OK for TV playing Superboy but does not have the talent, charisma or presence to play Superman. Playing a young Clark Kent on TV is very different to playinf Superman. And secondly I respect your feelings about the show but I don't think you can say that the Kents in that show compare to the Kents in the Donner movie - always felt like the Smallville Kents were straight out of Everwood or Seventh Heaven. And no way does Durrance touch Margot Kidder as Lois Lane. Oh and Lana Lang, seven seasons on and still a waste of space. Annette O' Toole was infinitely better. But the Luthors in that respect, you are right. But that's just my feeling and I know I am not alone, you are free to disagree.
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Anyone else remember when the fat guy from M*A*S*H played him?
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Dude. Superman is a less complicated character than Clark Kent(the post crisis version they use on smallville), so if Welling plays Clark Kent to perfection(ie he's just a real good person that you would like as a friend but pretty neutral ie he doesn't like movies much or music and is apolitical with life coming first) i can't see why he can't play Superman. All Superman is(post crisis at least) is a sterner more heroic version of Clark Kent and many times he's played the stern hero on the show. And there was still a shiv in him in Superman Returns at the hospital. And the Kents in Smallville are amazing, the ones in the Donner movie were cheesy old people, the ones in smallville were just like the post crisis comics, great people who are there to guide their son with the dad being a little hard. Also you'd be surprised at the people who want a smallville movie, at least the few million fans who watch the show every week and download it across the world, but whenever it's mentioned on sites such as mtv everyone says they want Welling as Supes. And there is no Dawson Creekification of the show, that was the first season, it's a completely different show now, if anything it's made a batman begins esque reinvention of the myth, it's grounded, everything from how Clark and Luthor create each other, to the way Clark was sent to Earth, the Animated/birthright esque Krypton, the background myth of kryptonians on earth. Durance isn't overacting, that is how Lois should be portrayed and Welling is supposed to be liek that, he's just a nice guy, I don't see how Kent should be portrayed any different if it's his early years and he's not supposed to be bumbling. Plus Superman Returns is a piece of shit, how you defend a movie that spent 200 million dollars to make a dull chick flick and then attack smallville which has a fraction of the budget yet produces a far more exciting show with memorable scenes is beyond me.
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The actors are all wrong, the intention seems to be a quick cash-in, and they cannot possibly explain to mainstream audiences enough to make the plot decent while still giving people enough data to know what they're watching. <p> This is going to be another LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN.
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I judge a film not on it's budget but on what I see before me on screen. And the same with the TV show. And yes, Smallville is tedious melodrama, what with the to-ing and fro-ing between Clark and Lana and now Christ Almighty, even Lex. I don't mind if there is a reboot, an SR sequel but i can take some satisfaction in the fact that there will likely never be a Smallville movie - thank Christ. Oh and isn't Smallville meant to be smalltown America - well, unfortunately, Kryptonite-freak of the week doesn't quite gel. Yes, the show has evolved past that...into stagnation. Where the events of every season finale are usually erased come the next season so everyone goes back into not realising Kent is Supes after several seasons. For the millions that like Smallville, there are millions who detest it. And btw, if you make a Smallville movie, a lot of Superman fans will simply say - wake me up when Supes gets here, you essentially cut off a large portion of the potential audience. For me, Smallville is the same as Lois and Clark, hell even Charmed. A deeply flawed show with its fans but not fit for purpose. Oh and if you think Welling has chops, watch Cheaper by the Dozen again or the Fog and tell me this guy can act.
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That is all.
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You're critiscizing what the show IS, rather what a Smallville movie would BE. And we've went over before why the show is what it is.
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Look, I feel Smallville the movie would be just that - Smallville the TV show with added cape and bigger budget. I feel the problems I have would remain as a direct spin-off would retain the DNA of that show. You on the other hand believe that the movie would be much more than the show although tv show film spin-offs rarely exceed the tv show that begat them. Botton line, I don't like the show and don't want a spin-off for those reasons but I understand that you and Messi like Smallville so naturally want a spin-off. All I'm saying is that there is this assumption that all or a significant majority of fandom want Welling as Supes - I don't think that is true. But hey, we can both agree that when he is not being poorly served by godawful dialogue, Rosenbaum makes a great Lex Luthor. Right?
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The main complaints of the show have been: Lana, Kryptofreaks, Welling's acting, and the reset switch after season premieres. THREE of those four things you wouldn't have to worry about (outside of a possible cameo of Kreuk), and there are more than enough fans of Welling for a chance to be taken to win over people like yourself.
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I know there's a lot of SR hate around here, but the movie did ok (not great) at the box office and pretty well on dvd. <p> I watch smallville and there are moments on that show that I enjoy. But while Superman Returns has done enough to warrant (hopefully better) sequel, Smallville appeals to too few people. It may be CW's top show, but compared to the other networks, it get's fairly small numbers and the fanbase outside the US, while vocal in their support of the show, is still very small. In Ireland, the show is on at 3 in the morning, in the UK it's on in the afternoon at the weekend..it's the same all over the world where the show isn't given prime time spots but is shown as daytime tv or late at night. The audience just isn't there. <p> And even if the movie wasn't like the show, if it wasn't a teen soap with superpowers, if you put Welling in a Superman movie (with or without the rest of the cast), it's still going to be perceived as an extension of the show, no matter how different it may turn out to be, and if the "casuals" didn't watch the show, then they're unlikely to go see the movie either. <p> With Routh though, he's been in a movie that, despite the vocal hatred on the internet, has still garnered a generally positive response from the casual audience, though not on the level of Spider-Man. Superman Returns had many flaws, yes, but the non-comic reading, non net-geek audience gave feedback that suggested they liked the film but it lacked action. So you would expect that a sequel, with more action, would do much better than the average performance of Superman Returns. People now identify Routh as Superman and there is definitely interest among casual movie goers in seeing him reprise the role in a sequel. You also have to remember that more people actually went to see Superman Returns than Batman Begins, and it made more money. It just made less profit because of the higher budget. <p> For Warner Brothers, Man of Steel is a far more viable option than a movie that picks up after Smallville. But then both ideas are being ignored in favour of the abomination that is Justice League. <p> So why are Warner Brothers making this film, putting Nolans batverse in danger and not going with solo projects? There are 2 very simple reasons: <p> 1. Marvel <p> Yes, the great rivals of DC are responsible for this. WB weren't even thinking about Justice League until Marvel announced Avengers. But while Marvel were doing it the right way, WB essentially want to do what marvel did with X-Men and Blade...get in there first. WB want a DC team up movie before a Marvel team up movie happens...that's why WB are doing it now, potentially destroying any chance of having solo DC movies for the next 10 years...that's how big the gamble is. If it fails, it kills DC movies...or at least puts them into a coma...this isn't Batman and Robin all over again, it's much worse. <p> 2. You.. <p> Yes you. All of you...geeks, fanboys and casual movie goers...everyone who went to see Transformers and X-Men 3. With those movies, WB saw that people wold go to see a movie if it had a lot of mindless popcorn action, no matter how bad the script is. <p> Despite the childish humour, terrible dialogue and a story that had more holes than a golfcourse, transformers made a lot of money...why? Giant fighting robots. <p> The action sold that movie and with a superhero team up, Warner Brothers think that there will be enough action to draw in large numbers...and the sad thing is, they're right. <p> Fill the movie with action scene after action scene and the people will lock to it, no matter how stupid it is.
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if Bale doesn't do it. I like the idea of Megan Fox being Wonder Woman, that alone would motivate me to see this film. Who is playing Wonder Woman and Superman?
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Had Sam would have known how well the Mad Max series would have done, AIP would still be in business. Mad Max was the last movie they released before being bought by Filmways.
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Thanks Vern for your input. And Locutus I agree with you. The rest of you, calm down. All the bat and supe verses are not goin to be destroyed by this. Nobody will care even if there is a five or six multi-verse existing. Its the movies after all.
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No one will care. IF JL kicks ass, then all this bitching will have been for nothing anyway. It's not like Nolan loses anything in the deal. BB was great and TDK looks awesome, but give me a break, and give me some flashy superhero biznazz! I'm tempted to think of F4 or X-men. But you can't really compare any of these in atmosphere or scope. I'm not interested in major spoilers for JL- I'm sure I will enjoy the film. Even if it is MILES from what it could be. The anticipation of seeing these characters together onscreen blows me away. I have faith that everyone involved will do their best to elevate this film. Just the idea of Jon Stewart and Martian Manhunter on screen is enough to garner my support. Come on Mr. Miller and prove everyone wrong.
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March 3, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST
STFU right back, "thasithtosser". Clearly a lower life form
by JTStyler
I have no time to be civil to a clearly illiterate twat who can't even spell the 'the' in his name and who can not argue without the use of insults. PS. Superman with a Smallville cast - NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. Deal with it.
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Not a huge Routh fan either, but you can't seriously be equating Smallville with good acting, that's just borderline delusional
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what's with the gay-bashing fucker? Just because you're into bestiality doesn't mean everyone out there is. Live and let live.
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He has the face for the part, but c'mon! I'm not trying to slag the guy off, but check out his form. Great in Mad max he may have been, But as MM is JLA? The casting for this abortion sucks. I hope it rots in hell.
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The "yer a wizzerd" guy.
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Don't forget he was great Grunchlik in my beloved Farscape.
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that departs even further from the comic book than the Donner movies and Singer's Return. I think they should be closer to the Scifi comic book roots. Or the Timm/Dini versions. Especailly when dealing with Lex. Also I love Gene hackman but he seemed to be playing Robert Preston's Music Man. And I was hoping the new version wouldn't be such a comedic side show,but alas. We need a Lex we can take sriously, Smallville does that better than Returns but he still a bit young for the adult Superman's nemesis. Plus in every other respect Smallville bares far less resemblance to the comics than any movie version so far. Clancy Brown voiced the New Adventures and JLU Lex brilliantly and he even looks the part. Anyone who saw Carnival knows he can do scary bad and smart as well as anyone.
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Guy reminds me of the white haired and bearded version of the Hulk. Might be an iea if Norton wants to go that route.
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What is Superman's fatality?
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