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Published at:  Feb 24, 2008 2:21:44 PM CST

SPOILER ALERT !!

I am – Hercules!!


Some have been writing in to ask if this final season of HBO’s “The Wire” will feature a supersized finale. The answer is yes, the final episode airing March 9 will run a movie-length 90 minutes. It will NOT arrive on On Demand until after it airs on HBO Proper.

On tap for for those not busying themselves tonight with Oscar:

* Carver will find himself brought into the fold.

* Dukie will seek a career change.

* Carcetti will get some bad news about the emerging gubernatorial race.

* Omar will continue his campaign of disrespect.

* Michael will question Marlo’s wisdom.

* Beadie will describe an Irish wake.

* The FBI’s appraisal of the serial killer will raise a McNulty eyebrow.

* Sydnor will figure out the clock code.

* Lester will visit Davis.

* Bunk will hit paydirt.

* Gus will take a stand.

Monday on On Demand and next Sunday on HBO:

Episode #59: "Late Editions"
Debut: SUNDAY, MARCH 2
With Steintorf (Neal Huff) ordering Rawls (John Doman) to initiate "creative" remedies for the rising crime rate, Freamon's (Clarke Peters) vigilance pays off with a promising lead, sending Sydnor (Corey Parker Robinson) and the department into overdrive. Although Daniels (Lance Reddick) is originally delighted, a further probe with Pearlman (Deirdre Lovejoy) reveals some troubling source information. McNulty (Dominic West), feeling betrayed, doesn't feel like sharing in Freamon's celebration; Michael (Tristan Wilds) is suspicious about his latest assignment; Haynes (Clark Johnson) gets fresh eyes to help with fact-checking; Namond's (Julito McCullum) debating skills make Colvin (Robert Wisdom) proud; Davis (Isiah Whitlock, Jr.) points a finger at Levy (Michael Kostroff) and the courts; and Bubbles (Andre Royo) recounts a recent temptation overcome.

Teleplay by George Pelecanos; story by David Simon & George Pelecanos; directed by Joe Chappelle.


In two weeks:

Episode #60: " - 30 - "
Debut: SUNDAY, MARCH 9
Carcetti (Aidan Gillen) maps out a damage-control scenario with the police brass in the wake of a startling revelation from Pearlman and Daniels. Their choices: clean up the mess, or hide the dirt. With his leads predictably drying up, McNulty asks Landsman (Delaney Williams) to pull police off the homeless case - until a fresh homicide ramps up the investigation. A frustrated Haynes finds his concerns about Templeton (Tom McCarthy) falling on increasingly deaf ears. Convinced he has the upper hand, but caught in a legal quandary, Levy plays a cat-and-mouse game with Pearlman. Bubbles debates whether to greenlight a newspaper story about his life; Dukie (Jermaine Crawford) seeks out an old mentor for a loan; and Marlo (Jamie Hector) oversees a new co-op order as he maps out his next move. As the officers stage an Irish wake for another dearly departed officer, the seeds of the future are sown throughout Baltimore.

Teleplay by David Simon; story by David Simon & Ed Burns; directed by Clark Johnson.


9 p.m. Sunday. HBO.





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    Readers Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 2:19:03 PM CST

    The wire is crap!!!

    by napolean solo

    The way they made Omar go out! Total BULLS**T!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 2:19:44 PM CST

    GARY COLEMAN COULD NOT TAKE OUT SUGE KNIGHT!

    by napolean solo

    Eff the realism argument!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 2:20:50 PM CST

    First

    by glodene

    I'm gon' miss the Wire. Damn!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 2:22:08 PM CST

    Damn you Napoleon! Damn you to Hell!

    by glodene

    You stole my glory!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 2:43:42 PM CST

    Did anyone else just see that?

    by chrth

    A bunch of '97 articles were just on the front page.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 2:52:00 PM CST

    VOLDEMORT KILLS MCNULTY!

    by ol' gravy leg

    It's true, the footage is already online!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 3:24:48 PM CST

    WHAT!?

    by the funketeer

    I've got to wait to see the finale with the rest of the nonDemand having shmucks?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 3:25:55 PM CST

    Napoleon

    by the funketeer

    If you thought Omar was going out in a blaze of glory or some other BS then I'm not sure you've been really paying attention to the show.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 3:35:58 PM CST

    What the fuck....

    by slickyvonboner

    Does penultimate and anteultimate mean. What the fuck is up with this ultimate shit?

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 3:50:47 PM CST

    'Ol Gracy Leg...you got me

    by santiagoatez

    You pissed me off last week like no other, with all your spoilers (which I still think you should have gotten banned for...and you're still an asshole). But your "VOLDEMORT KILLS MCNULTY!" has me laughing quite a bit. You made your point...talkback has always been full of spoilers, but this time could you just not do it in the topic titles? I'm not going to post anything else, and I won't return to the topic...but I'm just asking you for the many people who perhaps didn't see your spoilers last week and have the right to enjoy their favorite tv series.

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  • Feb 24, 2008 4:08:16 PM CST

    Thank GOD onDemand isn't showing the finale until

    by eggbeater

    the rest of us get to see it. I don't have onDemand and it's hard to see all those spoilers. This way no one has a clue at to what's going to happens until it happens in two weeks. I think alot of the spoilers floating around for the finale are all bullshit anyway. Mark my words: Lester dies of a heart attack or something. I'm sticking with that. If they kill Bunk or McNulty, then i give up. Can't wait for tonight.

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  • Feb 24, 2008 4:12:44 PM CST

    -30-

    by denton56

    Like the title -30- is what your editor puts at the bottom of a completed article.

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  • Feb 24, 2008 5:23:47 PM CST

    I can't wait to find out what happens tonight

    by charlie murphy

    oh wait, i found out last fucking sunday in this fucking talkback. not even an apology Herc? i think that's the least we could get. that said, i'm very eager for the final three episodes.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 5:28:05 PM CST

    90 minutes...

    by danielkurland

    Fantastic.

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  • Feb 24, 2008 5:29:05 PM CST

    Denton56...

    by danielkurland

    Thanks for that tidbit. I wasn't aware, and it's pretty neat. Thought it might have related to Marlo's clock codes.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 5:34:06 PM CST

    Beloved.... Sadly........

    by evilwizardglick

    Fuck NOOOOOO I screamed at the tv last week!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 5:36:48 PM CST

    Morgue question spoiler

    by evilwizardglick

    I have a morgue question.
    STOP! Go no further!
    In the morgue was the name card switched between .... and white...?

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  • Feb 24, 2008 6:41:57 PM CST

    Episode 58

    by gravyakira

    One of the most best episodes I have seen in my opinion. Amazing freakin television. This is coming from a man who has just been through one of the most stressful and depressing weeks of his life. Kennard has finally put me in my place. This shit has to stop! Crazy world. Great show.

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  • Feb 24, 2008 7:12:47 PM CST

    3 more weeks

    by bacci40

    till the death and burial of good tv...well at least hbo is gonna have that john adams mini coming up...maybe it will be good

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 7:28:31 PM CST

    Outstanding Show

    by mcpot

    Nuff said.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 24, 2008 7:31:42 PM CST

    Wishing it wasn't over.

    by some farts really stink.

    This show will be missed.

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  • Feb 24, 2008 9:04:00 PM CST

    Question about the end of tonights episode.

    by eggbeater

    In the final scene with Omar at the morgue, someone switched his name tag with another guy. the other guy looked like the same guy from the first season who was always drunk and was gonna throw him self down the stairs. He just had gray hair. Am I just seeing things or what?

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  • Feb 25, 2008 12:08:08 AM CST

    Eggbeater- No, but funny enough he's in Ep. 59

    by high def jeff

    He works in evidence control.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 1:05:27 AM CST

    Yeah, more on the ending...

    by danielkurland

    Why were the name cards switched?

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  • Feb 25, 2008 1:08:07 AM CST

    Now that Omar's dead, this show is over for me...

    by cruel_kingdom

    Seriously. I'll watch, but what the fuck is THE WIRE without Omar? Fuck.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 1:10:05 AM CST

    Now that Omar's dead, this show is over for me...

    by cruel_kingdom

    Seriously. I'll watch, but what the fuck is THE WIRE without Omar? Fuck.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 1:10:05 AM CST

    Now that Omar's dead, this show is over for me...

    by cruel_kingdom

    Seriously. I'll watch, but what the fuck is THE WIRE without Omar? Fuck.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 1:10:36 AM CST

    Didn't mean to repost

    by cruel_kingdom

  • Feb 25, 2008 1:52:06 AM CST

    DanielKurland...same reason the date was wrong

    by bacci40

    for omar's bd...baltimore is fucked up, and no one gives a shit..

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 25, 2008 2:02:28 AM CST

    The Best Show in the history of TV

    by russman

  • Feb 25, 2008 2:20:24 AM CST

    Best Scene for me: FBI Profiler

    by russman

    and the look on McNulty's face as he's described pretty much to a T. "He's in the ballpark"

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 25, 2008 5:32:08 AM CST

    Cruel_Kingdom

    by schnipple

    I hate wandering into these boards and getting unwanted spoilers.

    Now I can't even scan the post titles. This a**hole needs to be banned.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Feb 25, 2008 7:09:55 AM CST

    Best Show Ever

    by kentucky colonel

    I'm still not looking at anything posted above. Fuck you spoiler boys & girls! BEST SHOW EVER! LONG LIVE OMAR (in our hearts) !!!

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  • Feb 25, 2008 9:14:25 AM CST

    Sure, i'm pissed Omar is dead...

    by memento108

    But he wasn't the whole show. The stuff that is unfolding (and just partially unfolded on Ep. 59 that I just watched fresh on On Demand) is mind-blowing, and the series finale is gonna be fucking AMAZING. And I won't spoil it but there's an appearance from 2 great Season 4 characters in Ep 59 and the series finale will have another old favorite.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 9:16:06 AM CST

    Also, for you guys whining about spoilers...

    by memento108

    There's no excuse for you not having seen Ep 58 by now. If anybody tries to post spoilers from the finale, though, i'll be pissed. But seriously, if you couldn't catch a recent ep and don't wanna be spoiled or you just wait for the DVD release...don't fucking lurk here and then whine about spoilers.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 9:31:45 AM CST

    Schnipple

    by oogabooga

    Don't come into a talkback the day after an episode airs and complain about being spoiled you retard.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 11:06:13 AM CST

    great episode

    by charlie murphy

    laughed so hard during the profiler scene. omar walking into that store was heartbreaking, knowing what was coming...

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  • Feb 25, 2008 11:35:44 AM CST

    Ultimate Wire!

    by tonagan

  • Feb 25, 2008 12:29:42 PM CST

    When Clint Eastwood dies life is over for me

    by guy who got a headache and accidentally

    I mean, what's the point.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 12:32:15 PM CST

    no subject

    by thevisitor

    This is a portion of Alan Sepinwall's recent blog for episode 8 :

    (link address is http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35728?destination=node%2F35728)


    :::And yet, in a way, the manner of Omar's death fits his legend. Omar has always been something of a figure out of a Western -- think in particular of his alley showdown with Brother Mouzone in season three. While the cliche of the Western is for the fastest gun to only fall at the hands of someone just as good, some of the best Westerns -- whether fact-based, like Jesse James and Billy the Kid biopics, or fictional, like "The Gunfighter" and "The Wild Bunch" -- climax with the protagonist being killed by a complete nobody. "The Wild Bunch" is a particularly apt parallel here, as the movie opens with shots of children torturing animals (as Kenard is trying to do with the cat) and ends with another kid shooting one of the leads.

    Would it have been more satisfying for Omar to be killed by an equivalent bad-ass like Chris or Snoop or Mouzone? Maybe on some level, but it also would have felt phony. Part of the reason the show has been able to get away with letting Omar operate by a different set of rules than any other character is because an end like this was coming sooner or later. Simon liked to say that Omar was the one individual on the show not beholden to an institution (even Bubbs was beholden to his addiction), and we all know what happens on this show to individuals when they try to go up against institutions, even ones they don't belong to. In the end, Omar's not a hero. He's just another casualty of the drug trade, another body in the morgue (and one who almost winds up with the wrong body tag, because that's how little everyone in this city knows or cares about him).

    Now, as to Kenard as the killer, this is something the show has been setting up since season three. Remember when Bunk visits the scene of the stash house shoot-out and is disgusted to see a bunch of little kids acting it out and arguing over who gets to play Omar? Well, one of those kids -- the one who specifically declares that it's his turn to be Omar -- was Kenard, in his very first appearance on the show. I've had this confirmed by David Simon, and you can look at this series of screen captures if you like. When Bunk chews out Omar later in that season, one of the points he makes is how Omar -- for all his talk of a code and playing outside of The Game -- is just another violent figure encouraging the next generation to aspire to become hoppers, slingers and even killers:


    "Out where that girl fell, I saw kids acting like Omar. Calling you by name, glorifying your ass. Makes me sick motherfucker how far we done fell."


    Kenard wanted to play Omar -- despite never having seen him until last week -- and then got to kill him. Simon likes to talk about "The Wire" as a Greek tragedy, where everyone's tragic fate is pre-ordained -- Omar got his happy ending but still couldn't resist being drawn back into the world that killed him -- and this certainly qualifies.



    Also, Kenard, like Marlo, represents a kind of pure incarnation of The Game. Here's a boy who's barely 4 feet tall, not even close to puberty, and he's always carried himself like he's the hardest, baddest man on the corner. Obviously, much of this is a defense mechanism, the only way someone Kenard's age and size could survive on the corner. The look of terror on his face after Omar dies is the little boy coming to grips with what his playacting persona has just done. Kenard may have just killed the baddest man in Baltimore, but he's still just a kid, and now he's passed the point of no return. In that moment, I felt very sorry for Kenard, even though he's been mean to Dukie and even though he just killed one of my favorite characters on the show. What kind of a world makes a kid that age want to torture cats and kill people for the sake of rep, you know?:::

    That, ladies and gentlemen, is just another reason why this show is arguably the greatest of all time. And for those of you whiners crying about the death of your favorite character not going down like you like, well, just fuck off already and watch some simple shit like "Heroes" instead.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 12:55:52 PM CST

    goddamit if ep 9 doesn't come on On Demand soon

    by smackfu

    I swear I am going to go down to the basement, find an empty box in a nice quiet spot, and have a litter of kittens. Then I am going to lick all my cat vag goo off them while they rip my tits to shit with their needle sharp kitten claws.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 3:05:19 PM CST

    Episode 59 felt like...

    by razorback

    It was catching up with everyone from last season. Seems like 60 will have some of that too. I am sure that the last episode will feel like the season was rushed.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 3:18:15 PM CST

    JOAN COLLINS

    by skywalkerfamily

    Man, she was hot.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 3:48:24 PM CST

    episode 59 ...

    by emu47

    I love how tight this show is. The Herc/Carver plot played nicely into whatever Kima's about to do. And ... yes. The two characters we caught up with from season 4 did feel somewhat thrown in, but you know what? That's fine with me. It was nice to let them have a moment. In fact, I've liked the way they've sprinkled these little moments into this season for a good handful of their characters. (Randy's was probably the saddest of these. Poor fucking kid.)

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  • Feb 25, 2008 4:03:36 PM CST

    59 spoiler

    by razorback

    Michael's line to Snoop right before he pulled the trigger was just... beautiful. It was like a great scene from an epic movie.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 4:18:32 PM CST

    When This Show Ends, There Will Be No Reason To Watch TV

    by laserpants

    Best. Show. EVER! Nothing else even comes close. It makes THE SOPRANOS look like the meandering piece of crap it was in its final 3 or 4 seasons. THE WIRE is what TV should always be, but seldom is. Its a masterful work of genius.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 4:42:44 PM CST

    BSG is better than this shit.

    by skywalkerfamily

    The Wire? Please.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 4:54:24 PM CST

    BSG is great but The Wire is better

    by razorback

    If you can't appreciate both, then you are not really capable of understanding genius.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 5:07:05 PM CST

    BSG has more issues per episode than this

    by skywalkerfamily

    We got drugs, social dilemmas, Sex, old guys, fat guys, skanky women. Women that act like men. And neat spaceships.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 5:16:39 PM CST

    The Wire has more depth to the issues

    by razorback

    So, it is all relative.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 5:51:46 PM CST

    That's true, plus one is set in real life

    by skywalkerfamily

    and the other is just sci fi.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 5:59:20 PM CST

    9 totally layed me out

    by bacci40

    no spoilers, but i am spent...this is what all tv should be...not the bullshit reality stuff that herc keeps pimpin...

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  • Feb 25, 2008 6:04:49 PM CST

    And One Is A Remake Of A Bad, Campy 70s Sci-Fi Show

    by laserpants

    BSG is decent, I admit, I like what I've seen, but it doesn't come anywhere near THE WIRE. THE WIRE is a landmark in American television, in television period. Shit, in film! BSG is good, at times great, but its still got that core fantasy fluff that something like THE WIRE blows apart. I mean THE WIRE is like documentary mixed with prophecy. Watching the show is like therapy for me. I'm a teacher in a dangerous urban district, and that season 4 was pure genius, pure realism, pure fact. AND it was entertaining as all fuck even though I felt like I was watching my own life on the screen. But, you know, its a show that I can reach out to and know that the writers get it, and have been there, and can relate, and don't sugar coat it, and keep it real. I don't think I've ever seen a show that can even come close to that. I mean, BSG deals with weighty issues, sure, but in a very general symbolic way that can never have the same bite as something like THE WIRE which may as well be real life it echoes it so perfectly.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 9:01:31 PM CST

    Again..no Terminator Love?

    by xoanontorn

    C'mon! The last 3 eps have been great! Show some love!!!

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  • Feb 25, 2008 9:19:33 PM CST

    Vaguely SPOILERy reference

    by bizarrojerry

    All I'm sayin' is, if that described Irish wake is for who its rumored to be... this show will have pissed me off for the only time in its final episode. I'll probably forgive them, too

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  • Feb 25, 2008 9:21:33 PM CST

    The mixed up tags... (SPOILER)

    by bizarrojerry

    I think it's partly meant to say, everything's fucked up... but I think it's also to show that despite all the "hero" worship we give to Omar, no one really cares about some guy shooting a bunch of guys who shoot each other anyway, in the crappy part of town. The guy in the morgue just chuckles, cuz it doesn't matter who's who.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 9:58:51 PM CST

    my only prediction....

    by bacci40

    the rumors abound that mcnulty dies in a car accident, which is kinda lame...i do think that mcnulty does off himself...he is gonna hit rock bottom in epi 10...

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  • Feb 25, 2008 11:03:46 PM CST

    The assassination of Omar Little by

    by sid 8.0

    The coward Kennard. Omar you will be missed. Live by the sword die by the sword. Just like the old west gunslingers Jesse James and Wild Bill Hickock gunned down by some no name. They never go out in a blaze of glory. Really going to miss this show when it's gone.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 11:19:29 PM CST

    is it possible Herc is wrong about the premiere of 60?

    by emu47

    Just sayin'. ALL the adverts say "every episode" a week early...

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  • Feb 25, 2008 11:20:28 PM CST

    Ep 59 Michael, Snoop, Dookie, an more Spoilers

    by dudemandude

    SPOILERS


    SPOILERS


    ok just in case yanO? Well I have to say that the Michael/Snoop scene was classic! Incredibly done. Bubbles' speech at his anniversary was unbelievable!! Very touching speech. Michael, Bug, and Dookie driving to Michaels' aunts house to drop off Bug.. omg Bugs crying, Dookie crying, Michael crying, me about crying.. again fanfuckingtastic!!

    Michael dropping dookie off at the junk man's place, the same dudes who Bubbles bought his hot shot off of, and Michael can't even remember the goodtimes they all had.. specifically throwing the pissballoons.. Michael has gotten so street tough/hard he can't remember being a kid having fun.. so sad. Then when Dookie turns to look back and there's nothing there, Michael has left.. very bleak and forboding.. I think Dookie will probably be the new Sherod and the Junk Man the new Bubbles (so to speak).

    I couldn't fucking believe the Marlo bust.. FUCKING AWESOME!! Marlo showing raw anger and emotion.. sweet! Levy looks like he might get fucked, down with the lawyer pricks!!

    I love this show! I think that McNulty's gonna off himself though, it seems to fit. Kira, Daniels and the DA now in on his shit.. I cannot fucking wait for the finale!!!

    P.S. FUCK YES BUNNY!!!

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  • Feb 25, 2008 11:20:46 PM CST

    RE: BizarroJerry on the bodybags

    by emu47

    Kind of makes sense. Especially following the newspaper burying the story about his death.

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  • Feb 25, 2008 11:23:19 PM CST

    And ... POTENTIAL SPOILERS (though just speculation)

    by emu47

    SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
    Did Herc just fuck up the entire Marlo bust? Over some bullshit were he didn't get the credit he wanted? Is that what really just happened? If so... man! I fucking will always and forever HATE the SHIT out of that shitbird.

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  • Feb 26, 2008 12:39:17 AM CST

    Will 59 go down as the greatest episode in TV

    by razorback

  • Feb 26, 2008 1:03:40 AM CST

    Razorback

    by bacci40

    pretty close...if not the greatest single episode, maybe the most perfect...i love the way people are bitching about how simon is handling the final season...simon is giving all viewers a sense of closure...may not be satisfying closure, but it is closure...now a spoiler....snoop's only scene where she behaves even a little like a girl is right before she gets got "hows my hair" subtle simon touch...pure brilliance

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  • Feb 26, 2008 1:24:17 AM CST

    59 slayed me....spoilers if you haven't seen yet

    by somerichs

    jesus, about as perfect as TV gets...emu47, i had the same question. Did Herc really just fuck his brothers in blue? Did I understand that scene right? Why fucking give up the number if you're gonna turn and do that? And here's some speculation, or maybe just wishful thinking on my part. Will Marlo & Levy somehow put it together that Herc was the leak (based on his comment to Levy to the effect of "however they got the number") that caused everything and put a bullet in his head? hmmm...

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  • Feb 26, 2008 1:54:26 AM CST

    I concur about Terminator

    by slickyvonboner

    needs a talkbalk. I thought that show would be shit, but it has me hooked. That Cameron has her own agenda, and I think its to find out who John Conner's faather is.... anyways. This year will suck becuase of all the short seasons due to the writers strike

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  • Feb 26, 2008 2:34:36 AM CST

    Terminator may need its own talkback.

    by executor

    But get the fuck outta the Wire TB. Go steal an SNL talkback or something.

    p.s. I like Terminator too...and BSG...but the Wire is in its own league.

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  • Feb 26, 2008 3:52:43 AM CST

    herc has always been a dick

    by bacci40

    out of all the characters, he is the one who's arc has left him exactly where he was at the start of the show...even mcnulty is good police...a shitty human, but good police...if it's herc that gets got, i wont cry

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  • Feb 26, 2008 3:54:57 AM CST

    and this show should sweep

    by bacci40

    the emmy's, the wga, and the golden globes for next season...if any dramatic show beats it out in any category (sorry lost and house fans) then there is something seriously wrong with the voters

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  • Feb 26, 2008 10:37:54 AM CST

    bacci40: I agree that it should

    by emu47

    ... But historically, this show has been completely ignored by the Emmy's. It would almost seem insulting at this point in time if the Emmy's figured out how fucking wrongheaded they've been for damned long -- almost like they'd be trying to claim intelligence that they clearly don't have.

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  • Feb 26, 2008 2:34:15 PM CST

    I don't think Emmy voters can ignore 59

    by razorback

    It is one of those episodes, like BSG's Exodus Part 2, that even the biggest idiots who vote for the Emmy's had to notice. Granted, that doesn't mean a win but if there is no nomination, then the industry is more fucked than I ever imagined.

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  • Feb 26, 2008 4:28:54 PM CST

    You guys are living in a dream world

    by guy who got a headache and accidentally

    The Wire will never get any emmy recognition, last season or not, greatest episode ever or not. It just won't happen. Maybe you guys haven't been paying attention, but a show with a predominantly black cast documenting society's ills, "nobody wants to hear about that"

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  • Feb 26, 2008 4:44:05 PM CST

    bad news for vid pirates everywhere

    by bacci40

    as of feb 28, stage 6 will be no more...highest quality vids on the net, and they are shutting it down...shit

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  • Feb 26, 2008 7:40:59 PM CST

    The industry is more fucked than you can ever imagine

    by ebonic_plague

    I don't think they CAN recognize the achievement that is The Wire without also recognizing that 98% of the rest of the industry is comprised of complete crap. I forget who said it, but giving The Wire an Emmy is almost an insult, The Wire deserves a Pulitzer.

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  • Feb 26, 2008 10:12:06 PM CST

    Hurk and Kima are assholes

    by russman

    talk about trying to fuck over his old pals.

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  • Feb 26, 2008 10:25:24 PM CST

    No Emmy for the Wire

    by russman

    mostly black cast will get ignored... just like Homicide was.

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  • Feb 27, 2008 1:21:41 AM CST

    homicide got fucked too

    by bacci40

    not only by the emmy's, but by the network and the audience...it was groundbreaking....working one case through an entire season...idiot audience got bored...i thought it was brilliant...but comeon...they are gonna overlook the wire because it has one of the most brilliant black casts ever? i could see them overlooking it for only one reason...the no country for old men/there will be blood factor...this year's oscar ratings suffered a bit because the leading contenders werent sexy or well known enough...outside of this board, imdb and a few other telegeeks, very few people watch the wire...it kills me, but that is the case...it would just be nice, if for once, real quality programming were awarded...and if hollywood casting agents were smart, the vast majority of this cast would be swept up for every project out of the gate...i want someone to cast snoop in a roll where she has to let down her hair and wear a dress...that would be awesome...and the loss of stage 6 is really bugging me, its the only place where i have found high quality epis of the wire to rewatch....im cheap and i dont wanna buy the dvds

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  • Feb 27, 2008 9:26:44 AM CST

    Emmy's aside, I gotta give props to the execs at HBO...

    by emu47

    ... Who stuck with this show despite the twin injustices that it failed to get the awards and the audience it deserved. This thing had a paltry audience, and HBO stuck with it for a full five seasons just because they believed in it (Carolyn Strauss, I think, is one of those who really believed in the show). We've all seen what happens to other unique shows that fail to garner enough of an audience (Carnivale, Deadwood -- I'm looking at you), but somehow The Wire broke through all that. Numbers-wise, we are so lucky we got the full five seasons. By the gods, we are soooo lucky.....

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  • Feb 27, 2008 12:48:16 PM CST

    This Season Isn't Deserving of an Emmy

    by the funketeer

    I still love the show but this season has slipped compared the last 4. Forced and unnecessary cameos and a storyline that's too close to Simon for him to stay objective. The school storyline could have gone on for another year but instead we focus only on Michael on Dookie and not on Randy and Namond who's lives were changed dramatically at the end of last season. Michael's story is an interesting one as well and could benefit from more time. This whole newspaper storyline has been really predictable which is unusual for The Wire.

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  • Feb 27, 2008 1:35:39 PM CST

    The Funketeer... bullshit

    by razorback

    This season may not have been as strong as other seasons but it is still stronger than pretty much every other show on this season. Plus, 59 is at the top of the show's game. Emmy's are given for EPISODES and it deserves one for 59.

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  • Feb 27, 2008 1:58:17 PM CST

    "I want someone to cast snoop in a roll where she has to let dow

    by ol' gravy leg

    No... No, it wouldn't. Fuck you.

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  • Feb 27, 2008 2:15:27 PM CST

    Counterpoint to Funkateer

    by chickengeorgevii

    I believe the newspaper storyline is necessary for the full context of the urban life of Baltimore. Each of these seasons has been a reflection on the failire of something to show the failure of the inner city....Season One - The failure of the Police and the Law (After all the work put in , all the begging, borrowing, stealing to make a case, the best they could throw at the bad guy was a few years, months with probation, and let the other ringer walk free.)...Season Two - The failure of the Corporate world. (The dying and neglected blue collar workers having to turn to crime to make a honest living.)...Season Three - The failure of Politics and Government. (Men in a big domed building far from the reality of the streets dictating how best to protect it. All while the streets have to make their own rules to make things work.)...Season Four - The failure of the Education and Child Care system. (Schools working overtime just to meet unrealistic minimums and a care system that only operates to provide for good political face, all while the kids in the system are used until they are released into the wilds of the crime infested world.)...Season Five - The failure of the Media, and the World outside the Ghetto. (The slaughtered many in the ghetto don't warrant ink until some weirdo gets sexual, which does sell the story. And the people outside who read/watch/listen only when it is perverted and entertaining, finding amusement in the deaths of the poor.)
    I believe Season Five fits in just right in the balance of the whole series.
    Regarding the short 10 episode season: I think it may be in part to HBO trying to keep down costs. But credit HBO and David Simon for making the ten episodes. HBO was under no obligation to continue it, and it was low rated. But Simon stayed loyal and always worked WITH HBO, not milked HBO for all it could. HBO still wants to work with David Simon, and have already showed it with "Generation Kill".
    If for no other reason, when HBO execs look back upon their career, filled with various TV garbage, they will look and items like THE WIRE and say, "I am so lucky and proud I got to be a part of that."
    Finally....with only two episodes left, THEY BETTER FUCKING FIND VALCHECK'S VAN!!!!!!....And thus, IED's! Git yer IED's! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

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  • Feb 27, 2008 9:41:33 PM CST

    Ep. 59 (spoilers)

    by moochman13

    I just caught Ep. 59 on VOD and it is not only the best episode of the season hands down, but also the best hour of television I've seen all year (granted, there was a writers strike but I doubt anything else could've come close regardless).
    -Marlo finally getting busted and showing some rare emotion after finding out about Omar punking him on the street. There's only two things that can happen to Marlo. Either he's going to stay in jail and fall in line behind Avon, which would no doubt thrill Barksdale after all that's gone on between the two. Or, he'll get released and have to answer to the Co-op after they eventualy figure out that he was the one who 86'd Prop Joe. He won't have the Greek protecting him or his supply to pacify them after the bust. Either way, it looks like Mr. Stanfield is fucked.

    - Bubbles finally getting Sherod's death off of his chest. The second most powerful scene in the episode. I'll tell you about the most powerful scene in a bit.

    - Michael capping Snoop. I always felt that Snoop never liked Michael and the look on Michael's face after he realized that she was planning to kill him was chilling. Snoop went out like a champ, though. At least she knew it was coming. Can't say the same for Omar.

    -Bunk basking in the glory of nailing Chris for killing Bug's dad. After all of McNulty's tricks, it was Bunk's honest police work that will ultimately break the case of the vacants.

    -Kima rolling on McNulty to Daniels. The shell-shocked looks on Daniels' and Pearlman's faces after they realize that the wire was for Marlo's cell phone says it all. The shit is about to hit the fan. I read in some of these talkbacks that people are hating Greggs for going to Daniels. Why? Kima, even though it probably killed her to do it, is an honest cop and she couldn't let McNulty get away with this. If she did, she'd be throwing away her ethics and McNulty just isn't worth that. I know he had good intentions, but what's wrong is wrong. And using homeless people as a prop for a fake serial killer is wrong. Even McNulty knows that.

    - Lester finding out about Levy's leak in the courthouse. I know Herc was a douchebag about telling Levy about the wire, but it might not even matter if Lester can use the info in time.

    -Michael dropping Bug off at his aunt's. One of, if not thee most heartwrenching things the show has ever done. It's just a simple scene, but it was brilliantly done. Dookie trying to hold back tears after saying goodbye to Bug. Michael trying to be strong but finally cracking just a bit at the end. And the look on Bug's face the entire time is just heartbreaking. He knows that this is probably the last time he'll ever see his brother alive. I'm not going to lie, my eyes started welling up. The most powerful scene of the episode and the season. Even more powerful then Omar's death.

    Can't wait for the finale. I'm going to miss the hell out of this show.

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  • Feb 28, 2008 1:56:18 PM CST

    Moochman13-On Bunk

    by losvientos668

    Don't be too quick to canonize Bunk just yet...if you remember, the only way he got that DNA fast tracked through the lab was by telling the tech it was part of McNulty's serial killer case. Had he not done that, who knows how long that process might have taken? Any number of things could have happened if he let it go through normal channels. It could have taken months without McNulty's juice and by that time the case could have been dead in the water. Like it or not, Bunk still has some dirt on him for buying into the deception...even if it was for just a little bit.

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  • Feb 28, 2008 2:09:30 PM CST

    In Defense of McNulty

    by losvientos668

    I'm not sure if I entirely agree with the premise of chastising McNulty for his ruse of using the homeless to take down Marlo.

    The basic premise of The Wire is that the system is flawed and everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, operates around it in some form or fashion. Isn't McNulty just adhereing to that premise? He's using whatever means necessary to get the job done. Sure, it's illegal. Sure, it's unethical. But in the world of The Wire, I don't know if we have these lofty ideals of purity and legality to hold people up to. Everyone's dirty...from the schools to the streets to city hall. Everyone bends the rules. The police department cooks the stats. The school system rigs the test scores. Newspapers fabricate or "enhance" stories. So McNulty, realizing the sandbox he's playing in, acts accordingly. In a perfect world, we'd be shocked at his lawlessness and characterize his actions as deplorable. But isn't the whole point of The Wire that there isn't such a thing as a perfect world? Are Kima and Daniels perfect? We know they're not.

    McNulty took one of the biggest drug dealers and death merchants off the streets of Baltimore. And he did it operating under the premise of the world he's been brought up in.

    Can we really fault him?

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  • Feb 28, 2008 2:36:33 PM CST

    my problem with kima ratting

    by holodigm

    don't know if it's been said or not, but kima telling daniels means it'll get out to the public, which means illegal wire tap, which means everyone in marlo's crew but chris gets to go free. and it was all for nothing. by doing this, she's sacrificing actual police work.

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  • Feb 28, 2008 7:27:29 PM CST

    yeah, kima's call is a bad one...

    by emu47

    And I kind of dislike her for it. But I don't hate her. It's just ... unfortunate. But remember: She's the one who, when shot in season one, wouldn't fake an ID that she couldn't make. Sometimes, things just have to play hard. It's Kima's philosophy, and I knew it was coming. But it's sad. It's sad what I feel it's going to lead to. I almost don't want to know what happens in the last episode. A storm is gonna hit Baltimore, and I don't think many are going to survive. Right now, if I never saw the last episode, I could live my life thinking McNulty got the job done in his questionable way and that the bad guy went down. But I fear that that will not happen. The Wire breaks my heart. Every time. This is gonna be worse than D'Angelo backing down at the end of season 1.

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