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WonderCon: Quint's seen new IRON MAN footage! Favreau speaks! New trailer... and what's this about AVENGERS?

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Okay, one more… it’s 4am… I need to hit the floor tomorrow around 10am… maybe I’ll sleep in, but still… this is the last one for the night… and what a doozy. The two biggest audience reactions I saw at WonderCon this year were for X-FILES 2 and IRON MAN. That doesn’t surprise me, but what does surprise me was that IRON MAN had the same level of enthusiasm as X-FILES 2 without any stars there. Jon Favreau came out and we all love Favreau. No question. But it’s not like a pair of cult TV and movie personalities who have never appeared together at a convention were on stage. While Favreau didn’t bring a red-headed sidekick, he did bring something else… Let’s get down to it! (And keep an eye out for the blazing red font for something interesting regarding AVENGERS!!!)

- Of course, Favreau wasn’t seated for 10 seconds before someone shouted “You’re so money!” at him. He smiled and said, “You’re money, too.” - First question up was asking whether or not he heard from Ozzy Osbourne before or after putting the Black Sabbath song in the first trailer. Favreau said no, but he has talked to Sharon and “they are aware of us and we have their blessing.” - Had to fight hard for Downey to get the role of Stark. “As soon as we did cast him, thanks to the fans and how vocal you all were online, all of a sudden Marvel and Paramount felt very comfortable with him.” - Favreau wants to do more IRON MAN movies. That's not news (he said as much in my interview with him at last year's Comic-Con), but good that he's still got the bug. - Someone asked about the Jet Boots scene from the Super Bowl trailer. “It’s really hard to explain about the jet boots… it’s only in the Super Bowl trailer and you only saw a little amount of them. Does everybody know what she’s talking about? The Jet Boots? I could show more of it…” and then he showed the full scene of Downey testing out the boots! The scene: Begins with Downey at a work bench, putting some final touches on the boots… A nice camera move around the whole table, revealing what he’s working on, his car room in the background. You think Stark is mumbling to himself, but you find he’s talking to a little robotic arm (you know, that bend a few times and look like table-lamp stands and end in pincers?). Then you have him in the car room, boots on, controls behind him, grate on the floor. He points to a larger robotic arm and says, “Stand by for fire safety,” then turns to another robotic arm and says, “You, roll it.” The robotic arm has a camera in it and records the boot test. We cut into that view for the rest of the scene. Stark braces himself, shifts from boot to boot (which are extremely heavy, holding him down to the ground… he has to make a lot of effort to move them) and says “Let’s start this nice and easy. Give me 10% thruster capacity in 3… 2… 1…” BOOM! He’s fired backwards in a flash, slamming into the concrete ceiling and falling behind the control panel. The whole time the first robotic arm follows his movement and sprays a blast of retardant, like a fire extinguisher, over the top of the control panel, aimed down on Stark… but we can’t see him. Cuts back to him bracing himself on the grate again. He points to the fire extinguisher robot and says, “Test 37… For lack of a better option, Dundee (I think I have the name right) is still on fire safety. If you douse me again and I’m not on fire I’ll donate you to a city college. Okay, nice and easy… seriously… We’re just going to start off with 1% thrust capacity… In 3, 2, 1…” and he lifts off, the shot from the trailer. He wobbles in the air, trying to keep his balance and then shuts it down. “Let’s bring it up to 2.5… 3, 2, 1…” and he goes higher and starts moving around the room. He uses his hand thrusters to change direction, but isn’t used to them or the boots yet, so he wobbles in the air all over the room and goes over his cars, the flame from the boots cooking the hoods. It looks like he gets the hang of it a little bit and he floats back over to the grid and lands, the bottoms of the jet boots smoking. “Dundee” rushes over to him and Stark goes, “Nah-ah-ah!!” to keep from getting another blast of retardant. The Robot backs off and Stark turns and says, “Yeah… I can fly.” Then it cuts to Downey in a full gold suit (The Mark 2) with no faceplate. It lowers over his exposed face slowly. As it closes we keep on Stark’s face, as if we’re inside the faceplate. He’s illuminated with low blue lighting… actually, it reminded me a lot of how Keanu Reeves was animated while inside the Scramble Suit in A SCANNER DARKLY. Except here you have the reflections of the electronic images sent into Stark’s eyes. We cut outside to Iron Man POV and it’s like a clear Terminator view… he has readouts all over, electronics and automobiles are scanned, etc. Stark talks to a British voice. I’m assuming it’s the computer… but I think he calls it Jarvis, which is funny… isn’t that the name of the Avengers’ butler? Anyway, they talk about calibrations and diagnostics as they prepare for a test of the suit. We’re outside the suit again and spinning around it, from the boots up, spiraling upwards, seeing panels automatically slide shut over exposed machinery and vents letting out hisses of steam as hydrolics work until we see the face. It’s the final Iron Man armor, just without the red. It’s all gold, shiny and sleek as hell. The crowd cheered at this reveal. Jarvis said he’s ready to power down the suit and Stark says to not, instead do weather checks and start listening in on ground control. Jarvis protests. “Sir! There are some terabytes of calculations needed before an actual flight…” Stark interrupts saying that sometimes you gotta run before you can walk. He takes off, jet boots firing and he shoots out of a long spiraling concrete garage-like corridor and out into the night. There’s a few seconds of him flying around outside, using his hand thrusters and the crowd goes crazy again. The clip ends and the cheers multiply.

“I knew you wouldn’t get bored with that. They said, ‘Don’t show too much! They’re going to get bored!’ I said, ‘I don’t think they’re going to get bored…’” - ILM - A lot of the team that worked on TRANSFORMERS and PIRATES are doing the effects, as well as Ben Snow who worked on KONG at WETA. - Kid in the audience: “Were you inspired by anything to make this movie?” Favreau: “I was inspired by the box office returns on ZATHURA.” - Gives a lot of credit to the fans and internet. “With Iron Man, nobody knew what Iron Man was until the fans started talking about it and then it slowly bubbled up to the mainstream.” He also said you need to listen to the fans to understand what they want. He says he checks out online and reads comments and thoughts. “And I’m not the only one who does that. People don’t admit to it, but the internet is one big water-cooler that we’re all invited to stand by and listen to, to hear what everybody’s talking about. You’d be surprised at how much you influence how much the way the creative process works and the way films are promoted and marketed. I think it’s a wonderful, wonderful time because there’s such a great dialogue going on between both audience and filmmaker.” - Spending 2-3 weeks at Skywalker Ranch to mix the film. - Favreau calls himself a Luddite and says he hates CGI when it’s unnecessary, but it was the mo-cap and CG work on Kong that kinda turned him around a little bit. - James Rhodes: “We certainly leave the door open for what might happen in the future.” - “If this movie makes a lot of money, I might get to direct the AVENGERS movie!” - “Everyone asks about Demon In A Bottle… that’s going to be a tricky one to deal with… in this nice family franchise that we have. But who knows? With success you can take many more chances.” - Just worked with Vince Vaughn again in FOUR CHRISTMASES playing his wrestler brother. Robert Duvall played their father and he said it was his first time working with him since DEEP IMPACT… “That was the space movie, not the porn movie.” - More armors in the future? He’s learned that studios loooovveee merchandising. As a result they’re very encouraging of new villains, new heroes and new sets of armor for new toys and merchandising (but he says never to expect the bubble-headed “Underwater Armor”). That’s why he thinks War Machine will definitely be seen in future movies. - Audience member: “There are rumors on the internet that characters from Iron Man and characters from The Incredible Hulk will be making appearances in each others films…” “Yes, I’ve read those.” “Is that true?” “It is true… there are rumors on the internet. I will tell you this… there are a lot of rumors about casting, about cross-pollenation between the franchises… Let me put it this way. When someone’s robbing a house and there’s a pit bull protecting the house, the cat burglar comes in with a bag full of steaks. As he’s robbing the house he has to keep throwing steaks down. Every 15 minutes he has to feed the pit bull and the pit bull is very happy until you run out of steaks. I don’t want to run out of steaks here… before May. I don’t want to give too many of the secrets away otherwise I feel like there’s going to be nothing left. But I will say this… many of the rumors are true… but many are not true.” - This coming Thursday there will be a 90 second trailer premiering on LOST. “I’m sorry that I could not bring the 90 second trailer here with me because we’re premiering it on LOST… I did, however, bring a 2 ½ minute trailer… It’s going to be in front of 10,000 BC. We just timed it and mixed it yesterday and I think we should show it to you now!”

The trailer: Starts off with AC/DC’s Back In Black. We see Stark in the Middle East. He’s making the speech you’ve seen a piece of already, but nothing is repeated. “It’s better to be feared than respected…and I say… is it too much to ask for both?” We see a missile flying in the air. It falls to the ground, but before it hits it breaks off into four or five dozen little missiles. As they impact the desert behind Stark he opens his arms wide and says, “May I humbly present the Jericho.” The impact sends a cloud of dust shooting at Stark’s back and past him at the soldiers he’s talking to. Then quick cuts of the attack that results in Stark getting hurt and kidnapped. A bald dude tells a bandaged Stark that he works for him now. Quick cuts of him building the armor again and busting out. We get out of there quickly and Stark, arm in a sling returns and speaks to Pepper Potts. Gwenyth Paltrow felt very relaxed in the role, not forcing her dialogue with Stark. The voice from inside the suit in the earlier clip (Jarvis) welcomes Stark home, but I get the impression it’s a computer voice, not someone off camera. But what do I know? It’s just a guess. We get our first real expose to Obadiah Stane, played by the crazy-awesome bald bearded version of Jeff Bridges. He argues with Stark and you hear Stark say, “My eyes are open. I want to protect the people I put in harm’s way.” Obadiah meets with the bald Middle Eastern kidnapper guy and is handed plans for the Mark 1 suit that Stark left behind in his escape. Then there’s Stark floating, testing the suit and the Mark 2 flight. He’s going around and trying to make it back home and something blows out in his leg. He falls through his roof, through a couple floors, ending up back on the grid in the garage. He lays there for a half a beat and then… yep, he gets doused by the robot extinguisher. Jarvis tells him that the armor upgrade is complete. “I tell you what… throw a little hot-rod red in there.” Stark and Rhodey are in a room together. Stark says, “Good luck keeping up,” and it cuts to IM being chased by the jets. They’re right on him and suddenly his back panels pop forward, like when your flight lands and it drags him back super quick behind the jets. Stark is half dressed as Iron Man, hanging by cables in a room and Pepper walks in. “What’s going on in here?” He shrugs it off. “Let’s face it, this is not the worst thing you’ve caught me doing.” There are shots of Iron Man fighting Iron Monger, catching cars that are thrown at him, being batted around. Then we have Stark addressing a press conference. “There’s speculation that I’m parading around as a superhero. I’m just not the hero type, clearly…” And then the tank shot from the Super Bowl commercial is back, but it looks so incredibly much better. It doesn’t look like a PS2 video game anymore. Incredibly badass, ending with the Sabbath song once more. So that’s what I saw. I probably wrote around 10,000 words tonight… I hope the made sense for the most part… and I have about 5 hours of sleep ahead of me if I’m lucky. Thanks for keeping up with my WonderCon reports, squirts. I have some really damn nifty stuff to share with you over the next week… Let’s just say if this report from the con gave you a geek stiffy, wait until you see what other Iron Man goodies I’ll have for you soon… -Quint

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  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:05 a.m. CST


    by Charlie Murphy

    i've never been too ape-shit for IRON MAN, but this movie has me giddy. not as giddy as TDK, but close. nearly everything about this movie gives me confidence that these people GET what a comic character is about and how to make such a movie.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Can't wait for the full trailer

    by lex romero

    I'm a little worried all the 'family friendly' stuff is pointing towards it being crap like fantastic four. Hopefully it can have some humour whilst still being a good superhero film.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Can we have a link, please?

    by Immortal_Fish

    Like, all pretty, 'an junk.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Thanks, man!

    by Gd00

    Great news! Thank you so much for your updates, Quint! keep'em coming, and have a good night sleep!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Can't wait.

    by batmans_pants

    This is going to be schuweeeet.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:16 a.m. CST

    "You're so money"?

    by DerLanghaarige

    What does that mean?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    Sounds really good so far.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Yeah Baby...

    by furzee

    God, I can't wait for this movie...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Iron Man: Director of SHIELD

    by LaserPants

    I know everybody has been hating on Stark in the comics after the Civil War debacle, but IRON MAN: Director of SHIELD is one of the best comics going right now. Certainly the best thing going on at Marvel (along with Daredevil, Captain America, The Order (sadly soon to be cancelled), and the Annihilation:Conquest books).

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    "You're so money"

    by LaserPants

    Is from this way overrated movie he was in with Vince Vaugn about a buncha tools going to Vegas and being tools. It was called "Swingers." Don't waste your time.

  • But really I want either 3 on Green Lantern.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Sounds ok, but

    by SpencerTrilby

    why show him building TWO armors? If the first act is the Mk.I build-up, why the hell spend so much time (the scene you described seems to be damn long) on such a geek-oriented subject as Stark creating the final armor, complete with technical babbling and cheesy humor? I think it'll turn off some non-fans, who just want to see shellhead kick asses and don't care about how it's built, especially if it's shown twice. We'll see...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the bogus link Creepy

    by K|LLDOZER

    as usual, you have barely anything of worth to offer here. jesus...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    IRON MAN. From the director of ZATHURA.

    by Spoiler_Man

    Yeah I have real high hopes for this one.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Creepy Thin Man = DOUCHE

    by Spoiler_Man

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Creepy, an ELECTION '08 rant ?!?!?

    by Boris Baddenov

    Is this supposed to be IRON MAN or *BRASS BALLS*??? Couldn't you have just provided the link to Paula Abdul's new music video?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Look out DARK KNIGHT, here comes IRON MAN!!!

    by JDanielP

    Although Batman is my favorite fictional character, I think "IRON MAN" just overtook "THE DARK KNIGHT" on my must-see list, for this summer. It's wonderful that they've brushed up (so-to-speak) that shot of IRON MAN blowing up the tank, which bodes well for all other effects shots. "IRON MAN", I expect, will make a mint at the box office. --I've always been more of a DC Comics guy, but Marvel Comics has a much larger list of great superhero characters, from my perspective. And IRON-MAN is a character that is long past due his time in the spotlight. "IRON MAN" is going to shine. And just maybe, "AVENGERS" will be the STAR WARS of this generation. I, for one, believe a very REAL possibility.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Every single thing I've heard about Iron Man sounds great!

    by CreasyBear

    Especially the dialogue excerpts that emphasize the character of Tony Stark. The public doesn't know IM, true, but this movie seems to have the style, brawn, and wry sense of humor that the average moviegoer loved about Spider-Man. (Missing the teen romance angle, but whatever.) Indy and Batman are taking a backseat to Iron Man.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    I'd Hold Out Hope For A GL Corps Animated Series, Messi

    by LaserPants

    Although I'd LOVE to see a big budget GREEN LANTERN movie, I'm afraid that it would be hopelessly effed up by some hack. Remember at one point they were going to make a GL movie starring Jack Black as Hal Jordan? *Shudder*<br><br> What I'd like to see is another Bruce Timm animated series about the GL Corps written by noneother than Geoff Johns. Now THAT would have me excited, cause you know it would be quality and you know it would rock.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Same here captboulder

    by SpencerTrilby

    Unless there's a failure to launch, or any other mishap it'll make some easy money. But people seem to take the internet hype surrounding it (a hype created by the studio and a few internet geeks) for a sure sign of success. Snakes On A Planes, anyone? <p> Not that Shellhead will bomb likewise (it's still a possibility, but unlikely) but Iron Man is a lesser known character and needs a big push from the marketing side. The actors might be great, but they're here to tame the geek community, not to draw people in theaters. The PR campaign around the movie really turned on the vocal fans on a few message boards, but so far I don't think it put the movie on the general audience's radar. And until further notice, it is what really counts for the studio's bottom line.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    I mean, unless the Wondercon audience

    by SpencerTrilby

    is a 100% sure barometer... <p> They may cheer like hell at the X-Files 2 trailer, but does anyone really think this movie will be a hit? Seriously...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    This is the one I am waiting for

    by waites

    if I could only see one movie this summer, it will be Iron Man. I am counting down the days!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    As for Jarvis, he was Stark's butler first...

    by Chewtoy

    ...So I really hope he's flesh and blood, and just talking on an intercom or something for the scenes mentioned. For me, hearing Jarvis is in the movie is about 1000x better than hearing that Ultimate Fury is in there.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    by the way.. about Swingers

    by waites

    someone posted here that it was a waste of time! holy shit how wrong can you be!! if you have not seen Swingers see it!! it is so freaking good! a true cult classic.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    I support LaserPants on this one!!!!

    by SpencerTrilby

    Swingers was terrible. A true Doug Liman film... Catchphrases and "funny" supporting characters don't make a good film. If it was the case, half the AICN crowd would be WGA members.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Wait a minute... Trailer in front of 10,000 BC???

    by SpencerTrilby

    I thought it was supposed to be the TDK "Two-Face" trailer? Weird... I can't imagine both trailer being shown in front of the same movie. Counter-productive choice if you ask me...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    IGN states than Jarvis is the armor's AI, not a real person

    by SpencerTrilby

    that's a bit awkward, Favreau should've deleted all references to the butler instead of a cheap wink like that.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST


    by rogmel

    How else are they going to get anyone to pay for another bad Roland Emmerich piece of action eye candy.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    I really HOPE it'll do F4 money...

    by Killah_Mate

    AFAIK, Fantastic Four kicked ass at the box office. Or at least did really really well. Sad, I know.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    ...and Rhodes is more of "a comedic foil"...

    by SpencerTrilby

    why in pluperfect hell Favreau needs to make evry aspect, dialogue, design or character a "comedic foil"? I love me some humor but this sounds like he gave a whole new meaning to the word "overkill".

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    good point rogmel

    by SpencerTrilby

    now matter how much "high-concept" his movies are, I swore after GINO I'd never pay to see his films again.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    NO matter

    by SpencerTrilby

    edit button FFS!!!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    I hope it doesn't suck

    by Pipple

    But I've been fooled before by fancy trailers before. (and these trailers aren't even that good. Too much MtV LCD Bullshit) We'll see.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by DigitalBeachWar

    still not sure...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I'm loving this

    by Aethyrr

    Thanks for all the reports and stuff

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    still no hulk?

    by duchuvney_post_x


  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    DARK KNIGHT will own IRON MAN...

    by Monkey_King

    especially since THE DARK KNIGHT isn't reworked into an ULTIMATES/Revisionist garbage version of a classic hero we know and love. Favreau's Nick Fury will suck the life outta his film. Ledger's JOKER will own!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    I'm More Excited About THE DARK KNIGHT

    by LaserPants

    And I also think that, objectively, its going to be a better movie. But IRON MAN is most likely going to crush DARK KNIGHT at the box office. Why? 1) Its new. 2) Aggressive marketing campaign surrounding technology (remember the demographic they're shooting for -- 15-35). 3) It doesn't have a tragic death at its center. The people advertising TDK still haven't quite figured their away around that mess. <br><br> So, yeah, I think TDK will most likely be a better film, but IRON MAN is going to kill it at the box office.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Iron Man is going to OWN Blacknight

    by ganymede3010

    I'm sorry, I like Batman, but he's been so overexposed it's not even funny. American covet the newest hottest thing, not the sure thing. That's why we're chosing Barack over Billary. Americans embrace change, and a new Marvel movie about an somewhat obscure character is just the type of character that Americans will flock to.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    No offense LaserPants, but not in a million years

    by SpencerTrilby

    IM will beat TDK box office-wise. And surely not this summer. I'd bet the farm on it. <p> Iron Man is a lesser known fella, while TDK comes after the success of Batman Begins. The marketing around IM ain't that intense (it's mostly untangible hype) while TDK has some solid - and successful - viral marketing for itself. The SuperBowl spot for Iron Man tanked with the viewers, according to surveys. And the death of Heath Ledger won't harm the movie, more likely fuel the morbid curiosity of people not keen in watching the flick in the first place. I can't imagine a moviegoer eager to watch it changing his mind because of Ledger's tragic end. And WB has already a Two-Face centric trailer on the starting blocks. <p> I'd bet my Gort replica (the one I put on eBay) with you LaserPants: TDK will be on the top 3 movies this summer, above Shellhead. Deal?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Batman is Rated R, Iron Man isn't

    by ganymede3010

    Which means, Ironman wins Spencecer. There's no way a rated R film can out gross a PG-13 Marvel movie. The only thing that worries me about Ironman is that it will have a weak villian. Nothing that will compare to the Joker I'm afraid.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Reasonable BO predictions

    by SpencerTrilby

    1-2/ TDK or Narnia - tough call <p> 3/ Indy IV - unless the movie REALLY sucks and suffers mediocre word-of-mouth <p> 4/ Wall-E - it's Pixar, FFS!!! <p> 5/ Iron Man <p> 6/ Speed Racer <p> 7/ Hulk <p> 8/ Hellboy II <p>

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    TDK aims PG-13, ganymede

    by SpencerTrilby

    Nolan and WB never said anything about R rating. The studio already had doubts for a R-rated Watchmen so they'd never put a franchise like Batman in jeopardy. Again. It cost them their left testicle the first time around.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Nice Report, Quint

    by Lloyd Bonafide the Korean War Veteran

    This will rock. I like the idea about the development of the suit, rather than a straight reveal.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST



    Iron man has way more competition than Batman in the month of may. speed racer, and indy. <p> Either way, TDK will do better, everyone wants to see the new joker and batman go at it. EVERYONE!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    We have a real shot here with Iron Man...

    by IndustryKiller!

    To actually get a comic film right. Let's hope they can immediately follow that up with an excellent Incredible Hulk. I have faith in the leads of both those movies, two of the best of their respective generations.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    This is going to be a great late spring/summer for me...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Dark Knight....Indiana Jones....Iron Man....The Hulk...Hellboy...Watchmen<p>Then going into winter...This is the year we're going to see a trailer for The Hobbit, and next year is going to be the year that Hollywood brings the genre films back for a tour. It's been great since X-Men came out...but the reality is that genre flicks are still only 'superheroes' type stuff that they want to push...<p>I want to see more C.H.U.D. and Big Trouble in Little China...I want Night of the Comet...I want Hollywood to allow filmmakers to make really oddball stuff...Don Coscarelli is making John Dies at the End...What I'm interested in there is how he's going to get a screenwriter to delineate that story into something more like a film. It's witty, and unique, but it's not going to be easy. Mark my words this year is shaping up to be good, but I've got my eye on 2009 to reflect the genre film boom of the 80s...Avatar, and let me tell you what, I get the sense that both Lucas and Spielberg NEEDED to do another Indy, to pull their heads out of their asses. Something about working with Harrison Ford, I bet.<p>This movie sounds retardiculously good...And Robert Downey Junior IS Tony Stark. If you read the Ultimates, it's either Downey or Depp...I read him and thought Robert Downey, and it's no secret round my house that I find Robert Downey Junior kickass in everything...his bully in Weird Science is fucking legendary...Next to Sweep-The-Leg Johnny, Robert Downey Jr. in Weird Science DEFINED 'Richie Asshole' in the teen flick...Though I have to say James Spader was more venomous.<p>Jon Favreau is great, and seems like a great guy. 'Made' was awesome, and I have to say his brief cameos in the Sopranos were fucking hilarious. I hope this does well. I want an Avengers movie and this looks great, so we could see a great team-up flick... I do not want a Justice League movie unless its plotted and directed by Paul Dini and Jeph Loeb in Beowulf-O-Vision.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by Rufferto

    He's the very best Iron man rogue just no one knows about him because he was killed off early on. Although I know his rogues aren't that great. I'm just saying in comparison he really was the best. Mandarin is more known because probably because he lasted longer.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Gotta love Downey and Norton

    by SpencerTrilby

    but actors don't make a comic flick. Script and directors do. <p> Both actors have a hefty lot of blunders as well as achievements on their track records. I for one, want to keep my expectations at the lowest. Been fooled before.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Well said Zoidberg

    by IndustryKiller!

    Arguing about box office is the stuff of children. Besides it just becomes a bias fest anyway.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Re: "Does a marginal BO return kills sequels?"

    by SpencerTrilby

    Ask Eric Bana!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    That GORT Is So Mine SpencerTrilby!

    by LaserPants

    But no, seriously, I'm not the gambling type. But I will make a gentleman's bet that IM will beat TDK at the box office regardless of TDK being a better film. And by gentleman's bet, I mean, I get to say, PWNED!!! or something like that and gloat and stuff. And, in the extremely unlikely case that I'm wrong, you get to tell me that I'm PWNED!!! and gloat and stuff. Deal?<br><br> Seriously, though, I think TDK is gonna kick the shit out of IM in terms of quality -- its going to be a better film. But I think that something shiny and red and new like IM is gonna beat it with the Summer audiences. Besides, the latest Batman ideation leans more arthouse-y / winter-y then Summer blockbustery. IM is blockbustery written all over it. So, we'll see. And I'm totally gonna say "Yr PWNED!" Haha!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    It says something for a production

    by INWOsuxRED

    when they can get me excited about a property I normally hate. Just based on the previews, they already have my 10 bucks.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    This Movie Is Going to Be Great!!!

    by ThePilgrim

    The more I see, The more I hear, The more I can't wait for it come out. I think it may give TDK a run for it's money, maybe even do better, but time will favor this film more than any other super hero film before it. I wish I could explain why I feel that way, and I can't. All I know is that I've never been more excited for a Supes film like this before.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by skimn

    So which was it..Nutri-System or Slim Fast?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by milla jovovich

    Post a link to the surveys that say the Super Bowl Iron Man commercial "tanked with viewers" that you used to support your proposition that The Dark Knight will out-perform Iron Man this summer.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Here it is Milla

    by SpencerTrilby <p> The online users' vote seems to contradict the survey, though.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry I missed this panel...

    by Zardoz

    but I had to take a break and have a beer and cheat on my wife! Hall A emptied out completely after X-Files 2. I felt sorry for the Harold and Kumar guys, which followed the X-Files, but I saw John Cho in the hall outside, surrounded by a bevy of hot, geek-attired women! (of course!)

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    “Were you inspired by anything to make this movie?”

    by Johnno

    I fucking hate people who ask these questions... yeah sometimes it's legitimate to ask, but every fucling time I attend a panel with anyone there's always someone who asks this question... and it is always some guy or girl who just happens to be sitting there out of curiosity because there was nothing else of interest to them going on and so they raise their hand to ask this question just as a token of audience participation. "What inspired you?" "What was your inspiration?" Usually the question is too vague to the topic at hand, but anyway I don't care, I'm just peeved that it's usually dumb ass questions like this that get asked which take up a lot of freaking time, don't contribute anything and I had some good damn questions to ask that other fans would really want to know but I never get called on. Maybe I should sit closer to the front during stuff like this... oh well... Anyway word of advice to panelists, some schmuck is going to ask that question at any panel you attend, so you better prepare a good answer prior to going in, and please for the love of ... Don't offer free shit or posters or anything to get audience participation because every random bum will raise their hand with some uninteresting tripe and that pisses me off, I just had to vent there everyone... anyway back to the show...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Hey Favreau if your reading

    by ClockWorker

    YOU SUCK, and so did ZATHURA this is your one and only chance to change that so don't screw it up. You say you don't like unnecessary CG, well neither do I, but the last trailer has made me skeptical. I have high hopes but looks can be deceiving, we shall see.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I thought so...

    by milla jovovich

    your "surveys" are bullshit, as is your premise. Box office doesn't equal quality, nor does 234 random people's reaction to seeing a commercial one time. Unless you have more surveys to use as support?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Johnno is

    by ClockWorker

    almost certainly Favreau posting

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    nothing personal buddy

    by ClockWorker

    but what the hell were you thinking with ELF?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST


    by SpencerTrilby

    USA Today tracked Superbowl ads for almost two decades. Their survey is a staple of Superbowl ads, as much as shitty Geico commercials. <p> And for the record I never, EVER said or even implied that the box office was somehow linked with the quality (or lack thereof) of the final product. Shitty movies perform well, good ones tank sometimes. That's life.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    So, your point, then?

    by milla jovovich

    Or do you agree that predicting box office is pointless, unless you work in some sort of financial capacity for a film studio? So, USA Today has been doing the same meaningless survey for almost two decades? How does their length of commitment to bullshit make it any less ridiculous? Why do you even care how much any movies makes?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Hope all the cool shots aren't in the trailer

    by skywalkerfamily

    After that first trailer, I felt like I saw the movie.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Remember this battle royal? (link, close gaps)

    by JDanielP

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Swingers is a classic..

    by REDD

    Nuff said...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    The number of batfools here is kind of funny

    by brobdingnag

    Begins was boring as fuck and just continued the shitty rubber suit look. Batman Dead End is the bet Batman on film yet and it was done by amateurs.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    I agree, brobdingnag...

    by milla jovovich

    a comic book movie that's fun? Iron Man who? It won't make any money...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Ya LOST

    by BurgerKing

    k enough about Lost, what's this movie now? <p> As for the steaks, he did show TWO clips/trailers for the movie at once, I'd say that's a pretty fucking huge steak, he better have a lot left if he's gonna last till May.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Avengers will Rule..

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Start with Cap, Ironman, Thor, Hulk. Sequels can add Blackwidow, Hawkeye, Vision. No Wasp or Giant-man, cause they would just look gay in real life. Hmmm, anyone I'm missing?

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    I've never really been big on Iron Man

    by reaper28

    but after reading that trailer description, I'm sure as shit *big* now ... phhrrroooaaarrrr

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Ironman will beat Dark Knight

    by SlickyVonBoner

    I... like most people are sick of Batman. If TDK movie is great, it might still suffer due to the fact that it is the 5th!!! Batman movie in 20 years. Batman's overdone. I never cared for Ironman, but that trailer, especially the humorous parts, totally have me stoked for this movie. Tony Stark is a fun-loving ,wise-cracking playboy.. where as Bruce Wayne is a morose, depressing, vigalente. It'll be fun to watch these movies fight at the box office.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones will be the hit of the summer.

    by skywalkerfamily

    Iron Man second. Dark Knight third.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Box Office predictions

    by Samuel Vimes

    It's always funny reading these here, people wanting to put on their EXTRA!HOLLYWOOD!!TONIGHT!!! Studio industry predictions like sportsfans handicapping their favorite team's chances in the upcoming season--- and often just as biased in their conclusions. That said, I personally think that IRON MAN's more of the sort of Summer crowd-pleasing blockbuster film (rockets! robots! explosions! Ozzy!) than the darker-themed BATMAN sequel (a hero's angst vs. a villian's psychosis?) to draw in the Box Office $$$s.<br> <br> The x-factor in this of course is Ledger's death, which just might draw in the considerable non-Batman/non-comics audience into seeing DARK KNIGHT for his perfomance...

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I'd hold off Dark Knight to the fall

    by skywalkerfamily

    It's gonna get killed by Indy.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST


    by milla jovovich

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Iron Man will own your asses

    by Mr_X

    its true. this looks spectacular done right. im hoping we get quickly to the red and gold suit quickly though a lot of these orgin movies take forever to get going. I wish dc would pull thier friggin finger out and cast Green Lantern

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    and BTW swingers

    by Mr_X

    was a fantastic movie, i guess it doesnt appeal to the demographic of this board. move out of your moms basement already

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Stan Lee to cameo in Dark Knight

    by skywalkerfamily

    because he must have a cameo in every movie.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    who invented erica spencer?

    by HtownActor

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  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    who invented erica spencer?

    by HtownActor

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Agreed, LaserPants

    by SpencerTrilby

    Gentleman's bet over this summer's flicks. Mutual agreement on both the manner and the stakes. Deal. <p> Get a grip on yout pants, LaserBoy.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones will be the top film

    by MontyPigeon

    It could be unbelievably bad like The Phantom Menace but people will still go to see it. Most parents were brought up with Indy, so that's what they will take their kids to see.<p>Iron Man looks promising but there is no way on earth it will get The Dark Knight figures. Favreau knows this as well, I wish him luck with Iron Man.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Iron Man Already Owns Our Asses

    by LaserPants

    Seriously, Tony Stark bought them. All of them. He literally owns our asses. Rumor has it he's gonna use an airborne version of the extremis virus to enhance our asses. Yes, thats right, each and every one of us is soon to receive and extremis enhancile injection into the collective anus of geek nation. No Skrull will be safe from our amazing extremis enhanced assholes! REPULSOR ANAL BEAMS!!! FIRE!!! FRRRRRRRRBBBBBBT!!!! POOOOOOOOOOOOP-KERFLUSSSSSSSHHHH! BADOI DOI DOI OI OI OING!!!!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    The movie with the fakest costumes is usually

    by skywalkerfamily

    the top movie of the summer.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Favreau: "Iron Man's looks borrowed from Battestar Galactica"

    by Boomers_Lips I just read this on, in an interview talking about the new Iron Man movie He talked about the flying scenes in-depth, and used Stealth as an example of how bad flying scenes can be. They tried to emulate the look of the flying scenes in both Top Gun and Battlestar Galactica that have more of a documentary feel.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Is there a link in this article anywhere?

    by Immortal_Fish

    Doesn't appear to be. All I've managed to Google is the same (cool) trailer we've already seen months ago. Yet some of you yap as if you've seen more. A video game tank? Where? Linkage, please. Thanks!

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST


    by Charlie Murphy

    shit, sorry guys, had to do it.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    As long as he doesn't say I AM IRON MAN BITCH

    by skywalkerfamily

    The movie should be good.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    favreau pimped the fan boys the same way

    by bacci40

    he pimped chris least chris got a piece of ass off the deal...what do we get??? a fuckin thank you at wondercon...hey john, i want my free tiks to the premiere and i want you to get kristin bell to take her top off at this year's comicon...or thats more buzz coming from any geek site....oh, does comicon still have comic book panels??? what happens when hollywood decides that the cons are no longer i get my cons back? by that time will i even care? ill be in fuckin depends by then....

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Why do people like Favreau

    by skywalkerfamily

    Zathura sucked ass.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    I want a fire extinguishing robot!

    by Mike_D

    that scene sounds hilarious.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Favreau was very sly in the way he handled the fanboys

    by SpencerTrilby

    his PR method has been flawless so far. The MySpace stunt, his apparitions in conventions, the way he winks to the audience by giving them popular references (Black Sabbath, the Jarvis AI, etc...). This is all very clever. Fans were waiting for such an approach, as it seems it really resonates with them.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Box office tallies

    by batncat

    I look forward to Iron Man, but to think that it will take at the box office over TDK is a bit naive. Look, Iron Man is great and all, but the mainstream is just not aware of him. Batman is a household icon. Plus with all the buzz behind TDK; a hotly anticipated sequel from a brilliant relaunch, it has the Joker, it has Heath Ledger, Heath Ledger is now tits up and this was his swan song. I wish Iron Man luck. I'm definitely going to see it. But it will need thrusters of immense proportions to blow the doors off of this bat-vehicle. Indy 4 will be a distant 3rd. Sorry Charlie.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Zathura=Overlooked Gem

    by Wed Vid Guy

    If you love movies like "The Goonies", you have no excuse not to watch this. Best 80's family movie not released in the 80's

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    You mean, Favs had a BEER and CHEETED on his wife?

    by SpencerTrilby

    I can't believe it. Seems like a truly nice guy.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Made and Elf are great/well directed movies

    by future help

    AND lots of heart. Iron Man will Own. and im pretty damn happy that Black Sabath might be played in the movie too.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    IRON MAN will deliver what SUPERMAN RETURNS failed to.

    by future help

    feeling good.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    My wife doesn't want to see TDK because she feels playing the Joker killed Ledger and she finds it creepy. I think that sentiment might find its way into the general population and hurt TDK at the box office, even though it will still do well. Iron Man seems much more women and kid friendly, and I tend to think that will carry it past TDK.

  • Feb. 24, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Batman shouldn't have black eye make up.

    by milla jovovich

    And the batmobile wasn't the product of a Hummer raping a Lamborghini.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 1:18 a.m. CST

    3 days of wondercon and not one comix related

    by bacci40

    post....thanx guys

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 6:13 a.m. CST

    The only 'superhero' movie I might have time for...

    by metaluna

    because it has some wit about it. JF's such a well grounded director, knows a good story and when to throw the right switches. I really hope this is as good as it's seems, it'll be a big disappointment if it's not.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 7:26 a.m. CST


    by batncat

    You know, I think people are going to want to see the performance of a gifted actor of a character so hideous that it "killed" the actor. That's why we slow down when there's an accident. To get a good look. As far as Ironman being more chick and kid friendly, maybe. I'm not sure what comes out the same weekend, but if there's a cartoon or Julia Roberts-type flick, IronMan will be fucked.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST

    This gonna rip Batman a new asshole...

    by poeticwarriorII

    and leave him quivering on the floor in a puddle of spit from his lispy moans of pleasure from the experience. Thank God someones making a movie worth getting excited about this summer

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    This gonna rip Batman a new asshole...

    by poeticwarriorII

    and leave him quivering on the floor in a puddle of spit from his lispy moans of pleasure from the experience. Thank God someones making a movie worth getting excited about this summer

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST


    by SpencerTrilby

    take a close look at this TB: I never bashed Favreau. I just criticized some of his choices (the focus on humor, mainly) and made a snarky (I'll give you that) comment about the way he pimped his movie for the geek audience. <p> Apert from that I have no problem with him, and certainly won't put him into the a-hole/hack pack category, down there with Ratner or Bay. <p> My only concern is that the people around here are really too much polarized, as if the movie will be either the Second Coming OR an absolute crock of shit. And people leaning toward the former opinion refuse to acknowledge the controversial decisions I pointed out, labelling any discordant opinion as "hate speech", while self-proclaiming themselves exegetes in all things Iron Man. That's my only gripe. That and my girlfriend's supposed sluttiness. But I digress...

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Hang on, Voltaire

    by Dr Gregory House

    I'll have the pancakes in the age of enlightenment.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Taking internet feedback

    by norrinrad

    because they want to make another Snakes on a Plane? Seriously, 99% of the whole world is retarded and doesn't know what they want until it's handed to them.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Gwenyth Paltrow felt very relaxed with my pole

    by hatespeech

    "Gwenyth Paltrow felt very relaxed in the role, not forcing her dialogue with Stark." - HTF do you know that? what a silly thing to say. How did Downey feel inside the metal suit?

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Awesome job, Quint.

    by SkidMarkedUndies

    Glad that shark didn't have time to digest you.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Do need Link to a working Video of that

    by BetaSword

    Until I've got a working link to that footage, i wouldn't say, that they're going directly to the Fans, like they did.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Spoiler- Jarvis is a cosmic cloud!!!!

    by Diagnostic

    I don't start 'em, I just spread 'em.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Really, brobdingnag? Dead End is the best Batman?

    by TheLastCleric

    Dead End looked and felt like what it was; an ambitious amateur film with bad actors dressed up in expensive Halloween costumes. The Joker looked like a mutant, had a ridiculously bad laugh, and the actor playing him was obviously trying (unsuccessfully) to channel Mark Hamil’s Joker from the animated series. The guy who played Batman was okay; nothing more or less. It was a pretty entertaining film up until the Alien grabbed the Joker and the Predators showed up to fight Batman. Then it became a truly retarded fan film. Batman Begins really is a brilliant origin film and the most accurate cinematic representation of the character to date. I think by its very nature Begins had to move at a slower pace where by contrast I suspect The Dark Knight will move more briskly. My money is on the DK being the best comic book adaptation ever and perhaps retaining that mantle for many years to come.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    milla jovovich

    by TheLastCleric

    Regarding the Batmobile, go read The Dark Knight Returns and tell me that there is only one possible design for this thing. Do people really want a big, gaudy sports car with a bat's head on the hood?

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Quint - That was some bang-up reporting.

    by ZeroCorpse

    Excellent job, Quint. It's nice to see some kick-ass entertainment journalism here every once in a while. <p> This sounds like it's going to surprise the non-comic fans quite a bit. They'll go because it looks like a cool action flick starring that guy they used to see in movies all the time. This is going to put Downey back on top, and it's going to solidify Marvel Studios' reputation. <p> PLUS it give me the Tony Stark I've been missing. The one who isn't a complete dick, like the current 616 Stark (who is supposedly such a dick because of the techno-organic virus he carries, but that doesn't make his behavior any less dick-ish.)

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Dead End

    by INWOsuxRED

    If you like that, what you are basically saying is you want absolutely no story at all, you just need to see a man in underpants and some shitty special effects. Personally I'd much rather watch 3 hours of Bale talking to Morgan Freeman about equipment than I would watch a feature length adaptation of Dead End. Dead End couldn't maintain a sensible plot for 3 minutes.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Fan Films are never better than actual films

    by skywalkerfamily

    That's why Be Kind Rewind is tanking at the box office.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Dead End is a great fan film

    by SpencerTrilby

    but a mediocre short film. People need to stop thinking it's the ultimate Bats put on screen. That's silly.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    I bet you Indy 4 will not be so huge....

    by Mr. Profit

    For the simple fact that kids have ADD and are uninterested in going back to see the original trilogy. That's why Shia was thrown in there, but I still think that the 4th sequel to an old franchise will not make as much as any of the Pirates movies domestically. Only us older folk will see Indy. Iron Man will be this years Transformers (money wise) and The Dark Knight will make a lot of dough based off the hype, HL's death, and the fact that all the folks who packed theaters to see I Am Legend have seen and enjoyed the begining of the film already.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    What else is out this Summer?

    by Mr. Profit

    Are there other movies aside from TDK, Indy, and Iron Man?

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST



    Why do so many arsetards on here pick Batman over Iron-Man or vice versa? Can't they enjoy both films? Does it always have to be a battle over who is better every bloody time?

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    Saying which will make more money is just fun predicting, it isn't an assessment of which one might be better. I'm hoping they both kick ass, but I'm leaning towards Iron Man making more money.

  • Feb. 25, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Agreed Pitchperfect

    by SpencerTrilby

    some people just wanted to channel an innocent conversation about BO into a sandbox argument about which one is the bestest of all time. Both movies are must see for any normal human being. End of story.

  • Feb. 27, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    I'm definitely

    by batncat

    going to see both of them. They both look awesome. BO talk for two rival companies, DC and Marvel, is just friendly trash talking and icing on the cake. Harmless. Get over it.

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